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- man: We have this technology.
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But what do you do with it?
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You use it all,
it's part of the vocabulary
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and to catch that truth of that moment,
that's the challenge.
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- man: What I like is not to arrive
at a clear and obvious conclusion,
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but to leave you, the audience, stuff
to go away and argue about, um,
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ponder about, reflect on,
rather than for it all to be tied up
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so that you can go away and
forget the whole thing.
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- man: But sometimes,
you'll find that, um,
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a film is looked at solely
for its content without any regard
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to the style or manner in
which the story is told.
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After all, that basically
is the art of the cinema.
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(film projector whirring)
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- man: Films, cinema,
cinema, it's contagious.
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There is something in you
that-that-that needs it.
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That need...
And you are driven to it.
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You-you-you-you're pulled
into it.
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My drug was movies.
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Like reading poetry that makes
you want to... to-to also write poetry.
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♪♪
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- Humanity, in-in order not to go...
go nuts in contemporary civilization,
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which is very boring,
they need some entertainment,
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They need something.
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(breathing heavily)
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- It's... it's...
They function the same as drugs.
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♪♪
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We are almost at the point
where it's like a end of a circle
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where people used to sit
and smoke and relax
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and see images that
project into that smoke, and now,
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after a series of many different technologies,
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motion pictures,
video, computers, digital,
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we are dreaming already about
implanting something in the eye,
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in the brain.
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It's like a big tree with small,
tiny branches and-and huge,
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huge branches where...
and huge epics and-and little haiku.
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♪♪
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The challenge, you see...
of my own challenge and every...
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Everyone to watch in every art
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is you just go,
like, to-to catch the essence.
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You can call it hard, but usually
that's an essential moment
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that you... that is... So much in it that
you want to go back again and again
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to see or to listen or to experience,
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to help you not to go crazy
or to go crazy in some other way.
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(bubbling)
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- man: It's so beautiful,
cinema.
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Cinema can go deep or it can go shallow
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and I think the great films, uh,
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tell a story,
a surface story,
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but the great cinema goes deep
into the psyche
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and these undercurrents
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are caught on deeper levels.
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It can get abstract and conjure something
in a person
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that can only be conjured
through this language of cinema.
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The real gift is when you
get an idea,
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it comes in a spark and you
see it and you feel it and you hear it.
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(knocking)
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If you get the elements correct, uh,
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the thing will dig into a person
and they'll-they'll have this experience.
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It can conjure a kind of a knowing,
even though it's abstract.
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It's-It's real magical.
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♪♪
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If the picture is giant
and the sound is beautiful
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and the people are quiet and
they get into this world,
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it's very, very delicate
how you get into that world,
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it can be broken with
the wrong sound,
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it can be broken
with a stupid little screen,
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it can be broken with people
making noises in the theater.
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It's so delicate, but if you get
into that world, it can be like a dream.
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You're not only an observer, but you
can get caught up in that world
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and it can become very real.
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In dreams, logic goes out
the window and yet you understand it.
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There's a thing
called imagination,
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but I think imagination
is just ideas flowing.
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I always equate it to fishing.
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You can't take credit
for a beautiful little trout,
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uh, but you can really appreciate it
when you catch one.
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♪♪
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- I'm so glad you didn't give the center
over to the aisle, this is really good.
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Good.
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(chatter)
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- woman: I just remember,
you know, a lot of people saying...
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- man: I've never seen kind of... these
kinds of films ever, just...
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And I see yours and
I'm kind of, "Whoa, what is this?"
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- Good.
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♪♪
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- Jacobs: These movies are,
you know, thoughts.
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They're stores of memory.
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And they only matter to us because
they strike sparka with that stuff.
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- I'm very,
very inspired.
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- You don't have much
of a choice.
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You have to...
You have to do it.
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You know, we have to...
(sighs)
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persevere.
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- man: So what'd you
think of the audience?
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Did they like the movie...
They got it?
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- Yeah.
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No one walked out
that I know.
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You just have to really
be afflicted with it, really.
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(singing)
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♪♪
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- I'm interested
in alternative film form.
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I'm really interested in what
the medium itself can do.
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What I'm looking
for in film is to get...
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an enhanced understanding, an enhanced
access to the world.
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♪♪
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- It's diminishing, the amount of interest
there is in this kind of cinema, I think,
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but there's still
a hardcore group of people
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that still appreciate it.
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- And there's young people
who are coming up
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who are really interested in it.
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- I'm not gonna, like,
blanket-say Meryl Streep can't fit into it.
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- That dingo took my baby!
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Took my baby...
My baby!
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- Bon appétit.
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- If I juxtaposition
or remake it in a certain way,
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maybe it could fit in
this category.
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- All al... alone.
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All al... alone.
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All al...
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- woman: We distribute films that
are not for the mass media.
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Hollywood has a formulaic,
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a beginning, a middle
and an end.
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If I go see
the "Twilight" series, it-it...
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The vampires isn't even
a vampire.
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He won't sleep with the girl
because, uh, he's Mormon or something.
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I look for the deepest part of
the human psyche,
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what cannot be expressed in words
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and what is, um, sometimes
graphic and explicit and painful,
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but it's what we all have in common,
what makes us human.
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(film projector whirring)
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- I think we're seeing
an experimental film
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from maybe the '60s,
but I can't really place it.
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I see a lot of, sort of, Andy Warhol
factory-types.
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I tend to sort of prefer my
cinema to have a little bit of story.
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I feel like that's important.
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I have, uh, an iPhone and I can just sit
there and record and record
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and, um, that
doesn't make it cinematic.
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It just makes it a $300 item
that records video.
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You have to bring a
little bit more to the show
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if you want to
be called cinema, I feel.
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- woman: All al...
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- Serra: We're part of the counterculture,
that idea of outside the mainstreams
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and it still applies today.
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It can be any form,
it can be any content.
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It's personal vision.
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Anyone can make a film.
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(horns honking)
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♪♪
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- To me, the-the basis of, uh,
motion pictures is the experience
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and the narrative can be
part of the-the-the, uh...
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the experience, but it's-it's that you-you
as the viewer experience something
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in-in time.
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(horns honking)
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A great movie, um, stand
up under repeated viewings
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And that once you know the story,
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you're free in a way to get deeper
into other parts of the-of the experience.
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(horns honking)
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There's a lot more than, uh,
than-than-than just the plot.
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- You don't go to bed deciding what you're
gonna dream and make, uh, notes,
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I will dream this.
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You know, you don't
need a script, you dream.
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And the dreams can be very vivid,
and you know, utterly necessary.
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And I felt that way about-about
the filmmaking,
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that if I-if I had a story to tell,
it-it would make itself known.
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- Hoberman: And the powerful thing about
motion pictures
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is that it's an experience which hundreds
of thousands, millions of people
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can-can share, although it's not
going to be identical in every case,
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and that-that, to me, is
not the same thing
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as-as saying that they're
all, um, following the same story.
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There's nothing intrinsic
in motion pictures
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that demands a
narrative and a case could be made
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that the narrative element
is, uh, secondary
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to many other
things in the movie.
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- The best scripts don't
make the best films,
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you know, because
they have that kind of literary,
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you know, narrative thing, you know,
that you're sort of a slave to.
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The best films, you know,
are the ones that aren't, like,
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tied to that slavishly, so, um...
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so I don't know, the whole narrative thing,
it just seems to me like, you know,
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you don't-you don't first think
of the story of the song
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and then make the song,
you know, it has to come out
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of the... that moment,
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you know, and that's what film has,
it's just that moment which is holy.
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- I was in and out of the
holy moment, looking at you.
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Can't be in a holy...
you're unique that way, Caveh.
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That's one of the reasons
I enjoy you.
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You can bring me into that.
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- man: Let's see, now, I have a
sample of her handwriting here.
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Oh, yes.
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Here we are.
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Marie Samuels.
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Has an interesting
address.
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- man: When I say that I'm
not interested in content, uh,
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it's, uh, it would be the same as
a painter worrying about
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whether the apples that he's
painting, whether they're sweet or sour.
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Who cares?
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It's his style, his
manner of painting them.
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We have a rectangular screen
in a movie house.
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Now, this rectangular screen has got
to be filled with a succession of images.
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Any art form is there for
the artist to interpret it
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in his own way and
thus create an emotion.
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(plane rumbling)
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♪♪
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- man: I wish I knew how
to quit you.
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- You just don't
belong in my world, Bella.
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- I belong with you.
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- My name is Maximus Decimus
Meridius.
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And I will have my vengeance.
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- Can't you see
it's impossible?
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- No.
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♪♪
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- In dealing with
high emotion of jealousy
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and, uh all of the melodramatic
elements, betrayals and all
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this kind of stuff, I was
very aware of-of dealing with a genre,
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but, uh, because I didn't use actors,
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I used, uh, dancers who had no
acting ability at all.
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One way of describing my
relation to making art of any kind
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is, uh, batting my head against
the wall of, uh, familiar practices.
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- I'd like to kick your ass in.
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- It's a Brechtian idea
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of disrupting the spectators'
identification, uh,
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and making them aware that they're seeing
something that is constructed.
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- man: Sherman, is that you?
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- Rainer: Shut up back there.
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- woman: Now, you keep
your body there.
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One, two.
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- Rainer: I was making a kind of dance
that wasn't involved with stories
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or topical issues and
the second wave of feminism came along
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and the possibilities of film
seemed so much more...
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open and, uh, extended than
what I was able to do with-with dance.
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- Court jesters were
always male.
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Even as fools,
they were accorded dignity.
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But when a woman plays the fool,
she's made to feel like an idiot.
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There's no dignity
in the role for us.
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- Rainer: I never expected
a mass audience.
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I mean, I go to some of my
screenings and the only reason I stay
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is to see when people
will leave.
243
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"Jeanne Dielman" was a
very radical film for its time.
244
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She was telling a story, in a
very attenuated way,
245
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about the disillusion
of the main character.
246
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- Of course, we were all influenced
by feminism and its, uh, its protest
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against the, uh, inequities
in social and private life.
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(grunting)
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There is no way the image of a
woman could, uh, be, uh, represented
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without it being sexualized.
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(brakes screeching)
252
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This male gaze was
something to be analyzed...
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Beginning with the director then
the, uh, the male character.
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The woman's
body was a landscape
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through which the man passed
and controlled.
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♪♪
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- Here's looking at you, kid.
258
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(crashing)
259
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(screaming)
260
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- This is one night you're
not turning me out.
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00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:49,685
- This your girl?
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- I'm my mother's girl.
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- Rainer: You know,
it still goes on.
264
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We are bombarded
by images of women's bodies
265
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and it's an ongoing struggle
to deal with that
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in art-making of all kinds.
267
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- Wh-what's this?
268
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Heavy underwear.
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(metal clattering)
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Sorry about that.
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♪♪
272
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- Cinema is
the sexiest thing possible.
273
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First of all, you're dealing with
the issue of control and passivity.
274
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The person behind the camera
ostensibly has control,
275
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the person in front of the camera
is supposedly the subjective,
276
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or the object,
and so there's a little dance.
277
00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:52,998
(groaning)
278
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:58,045
But I absolutely believe that
everything in life is political.
279
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For me, anything that you
turn the camera onto
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is, in essence, a documentation.
281
00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:09,306
- man: Brother to brother,
brother to brother.
282
00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:10,766
- men: Brother to brother,
brother to brother.
283
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:20,859
Brother to brother,
brother to brother.
284
00:30:21,778 --> 00:30:23,153
- man: Brother to brother,
brother to brother.
285
00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,655
Brother to brother,
brother to brother.
286
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:26,698
- men: Brother to brother,
brother to brother.
287
00:30:26,783 --> 00:30:29,326
- man: Something very
powerful about sitting in a dark theater
288
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with a few hundred people, mostly
strangers, and the audience,
289
00:30:33,998 --> 00:30:36,333
though they are not really communicating
with each other,
290
00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:40,796
they do affect each other and-and
it becomes sort of a collective force.
291
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♪♪
292
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Moore on film: I asked
Corporal Henderson
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of the United States Marine Corps
to join me on Capitol Hill
294
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to see how many members
of Congress we could convince
295
00:30:51,891 --> 00:30:54,560
to enlist their children
to go to Iraq.
296
00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:56,270
Congressman?
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00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,813
Michael Moore...
How are you doing?
298
00:30:57,897 --> 00:30:58,897
- How are you today?
- Good, good.
299
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I'm trying to get
members of Congress
300
00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:04,069
to get their kids to enlist in the army
and go over to Iraq.
301
00:31:06,072 --> 00:31:07,322
Congressman?
302
00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:09,783
Congressman...
Congressman?
303
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:10,868
Congressman Doolittle.
304
00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:11,952
Michael Moore.
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00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:13,245
- Oh, no...
- I'm wondering if...
306
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- I believe movies, especially documentaries
307
00:31:16,332 --> 00:31:18,458
should have a point ofview
and the filmmaker should be honest
308
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:20,460
about their point of view.
309
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:21,712
Should believe in something.
310
00:31:21,796 --> 00:31:24,256
If I was making a movie about
women getting the right to vote,
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00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:25,799
you know, well, Mike,
you didn't...
312
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,885
You didn't put in those people that
thought women shouldn't be voting.
313
00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:31,221
Yeah, that's right.
314
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:32,598
- woman: Paco.
315
00:31:32,682 --> 00:31:33,932
Raymond.
316
00:31:35,101 --> 00:31:37,728
T-Tania...
Todd.
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00:31:37,812 --> 00:31:40,439
- man: I consider my documentaries
to be dramatic films.
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00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:44,610
What's the theme of the film?
319
00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:47,029
What's the heartbeat
of the film?
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00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:50,157
- man: You know, we forget that
someday, this is gonna be over.
321
00:31:52,118 --> 00:31:54,661
Someday, there's gonna be
no such thing as AIDS.
322
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:56,705
- man: Our most precious jewel.
323
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,124
- woman: John.
- man: Our most beautiful son.
324
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:01,710
John Anthony.
325
00:32:01,794 --> 00:32:02,961
- woman: Johnny boy.
- man: Johnny boy.
326
00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:08,926
- If it worka as a story,
if it engages the viewer, um,
327
00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:14,514
if it makes sense to the viewer,
if it moves the viewer, informs, uh,
328
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,851
I want it to work
for anybody who sees it.
329
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,270
- man: And we love him so much.
330
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:23,148
We love him so much.
331
00:32:28,905 --> 00:32:32,366
(distant booming, chatter)
332
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,994
- man: I didn't drop napalm,
but I dropped other things just as bad.
333
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:37,079
And people would suffer.
334
00:32:37,163 --> 00:32:39,331
They would-they would live, but they
would suffer, you know,
335
00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:41,124
then often they would die afterwards.
336
00:32:41,209 --> 00:32:43,877
And this would cause people to
have to take care of them, you know?
337
00:32:45,546 --> 00:32:49,091
But I look at my children now
338
00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:53,261
and, uh, I don't know what
would happen if...
339
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:58,517
what I would think
about if someone napalmed...
340
00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:10,612
(loud chatter)
341
00:33:10,697 --> 00:33:13,323
- Moore: Some of the great films that were
documentaries that I saw
342
00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:17,077
were very inspiring because I saw
things that I couldn't see anyplace else.
343
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:22,749
- Jagger: Come on now!
344
00:33:23,209 --> 00:33:24,960
Everybody, just cool out!
345
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:29,047
(banging)
346
00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:34,344
- You okay, Jim?
- Yes, Johnny!
347
00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:35,679
- Huh?
348
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:38,557
What are you doing, Jim?
349
00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:55,699
- woman: What do you do
for a living, Jason?
350
00:33:55,783 --> 00:33:56,825
- I hustle.
351
00:33:56,909 --> 00:33:58,160
(laughing)
352
00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:00,829
I'm a stone whore.
353
00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:05,250
And I'm not
ashamed of it.
354
00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:46,291
- man: Of course, we are challenging
nature itself.
355
00:34:46,375 --> 00:34:47,709
And it hits back.
356
00:34:48,211 --> 00:34:50,212
It just hits back, that's all.
357
00:34:50,421 --> 00:34:53,465
And I wouldn't see anything
"erotical" here,
358
00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:56,718
I would see fornication
and asphyxiation and choking
359
00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:02,516
and fighting for survival
and growing and...
360
00:35:04,352 --> 00:35:05,894
Just rotting away.
361
00:35:05,978 --> 00:35:07,854
♪♪
362
00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:10,023
(gun firing)
363
00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:16,571
(thudding)
364
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:19,241
- man: You don't remember?
365
00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:20,826
- This isn't a deposition, sir.
366
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:22,536
I was polite enough to
give you time.
367
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,246
Foolishly, I now see.
368
00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:25,997
You have
three more minutes.
369
00:35:26,499 --> 00:35:27,749
Give it your best shot.
370
00:35:30,711 --> 00:35:35,423
♪♪
371
00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:45,851
- Moore: I don't have a lot of, uh,
highfalutin hopes for movies
372
00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:48,687
or anything, really,
changing the world these days,
373
00:35:48,771 --> 00:35:50,397
although I-I do remain
an optimist.
374
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,650
- woman: Excuse me.
375
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:55,819
Excuse me.
376
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:58,655
Uh, where are you
guys going?
377
00:35:58,739 --> 00:36:00,365
- We're going
up to the 14th floor.
378
00:36:00,449 --> 00:36:01,700
- Do you have an appointment?
379
00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,410
- No, we're gonna try and
see Roger Smith.
380
00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:04,786
- No, you're not.
381
00:36:04,871 --> 00:36:06,663
You're not gonna get
on one of those elevators.
382
00:36:06,747 --> 00:36:07,747
- Why is that?
383
00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:10,125
- If you don't have an appointment,
you're not going up to 14.
384
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:11,626
- Well, can we go up and
try and make an appointment?
385
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:12,752
- No.
386
00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:14,087
- Why?
387
00:36:14,922 --> 00:36:16,590
- I need Tony
or Denise.
388
00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:19,718
- And the reason to talk
to Roger Smith would be?
389
00:36:19,802 --> 00:36:20,927
- Uh, Michael Moore.
390
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,597
- No, what's your reason for
seeing Roger Smith?
391
00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:25,557
- Excuse me, I need to see you.
- Um, we're doing...
392
00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:27,559
We're making a film.
393
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:33,440
Cinema is a way to sort of...
to take a look at the world
394
00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:40,405
in which we live and make
it writ large so that the audience
395
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:42,657
watching the film
becomes part of it.
396
00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:47,078
And they do become part of it.
397
00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:55,337
♪♪
398
00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:58,465
- People used to talk
to me about "Z" so much,
399
00:36:58,549 --> 00:36:59,883
almost 45 years ago.
400
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:04,554
The fact that the few
movies succeed, survive,
401
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,182
I think the only explanation I have
402
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:12,062
is that the director and
the actors and everybody
403
00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:14,272
give so much passion to
make that movie
404
00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:16,566
and its passion remains, survives.
405
00:37:16,651 --> 00:37:21,571
Everyone finally has a vision of
the movie, has a vision of the scene,
406
00:37:21,656 --> 00:37:24,699
so the important thing is to bring everybody
to go to the director's vision.
407
00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:30,247
We don't do in a kind of political
speech or university speech.
408
00:37:31,582 --> 00:37:33,583
I would like the audience
to feel it much more than see it.
409
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:37,587
♪♪
410
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:40,966
I believe the story's most important,
with a good style, of course.
411
00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:45,345
(exploding, crashing)
412
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:58,775
♪♪
413
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,210
(shouting)
414
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,766
- Photography does
not create eternity as art does.
415
00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:35,186
It embalms time, rescuing it simply
from its proper corruption.
416
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:40,275
Viewed in this perspective,
the cinema is objectivity and time.
417
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:51,369
(gun firing)
418
00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:57,417
For the French film critic André Bazin, the
invention of photography
419
00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:02,255
and cinema were revolutionary because
for the first time in human history,
420
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:08,011
we could record and therefore capture
and hold an actual moment in time.
421
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:10,430
(flapping)
422
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,726
For him, this was
revolutionary, not least because,
423
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:19,397
even though a director chooses
what to film,
424
00:39:19,482 --> 00:39:24,611
can put the film images in any
order and then alter them in any way,
425
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:30,909
nonetheless, there is that direct contact
with an original moment in time.
426
00:39:34,997 --> 00:39:40,210
And for Bazin, what we see
on screen only exists in relation
427
00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:42,754
to everything that's
not on screen.
428
00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:48,676
Cinema suggests
as much as it reveals.
429
00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:53,014
(horn honking)
430
00:40:02,608 --> 00:40:04,150
(grunting, thudding)
431
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,073
- So, finally you watch
the movie.
432
00:40:10,157 --> 00:40:12,325
There is nothing...
you create the universe.
433
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:13,660
(gun fires)
434
00:40:16,038 --> 00:40:17,747
The movie is not reality.
435
00:40:17,832 --> 00:40:20,500
It's based on the real,
but it's not reality.
436
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:24,129
The art's... much
too longer, much too complex.
437
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:27,382
The important thing is to give the audience
the elements
438
00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:28,633
they can understand the story
439
00:40:28,717 --> 00:40:29,968
and what
the story is meaning.
440
00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:41,896
So, the way you do it
I don't really know.
441
00:40:44,066 --> 00:40:45,775
(chuckling)
442
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,110
I don't know.
443
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:54,033
♪♪
444
00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:04,961
- man: He is totally trusting
himself and the material.
445
00:41:06,338 --> 00:41:10,008
He winds up with some of
the greatest footage ever shot.
446
00:41:26,066 --> 00:41:31,654
He was using that horribly misunderstood
word, "film style,"
447
00:41:31,739 --> 00:41:34,491
and that takes such courage
448
00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:37,535
and such wisdom
449
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:39,871
and such security.
450
00:41:39,955 --> 00:41:41,289
He trusts the audience.
451
00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:47,045
♪♪
452
00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:58,723
The oversaturation of
the color applies to all of the work.
453
00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:03,019
There's an oversaturation in performance.
454
00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:15,532
♪♪
455
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:26,834
We're changed by great work.
456
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:30,463
So you see "Ran" because you're exposed to
something
457
00:42:31,966 --> 00:42:34,634
that's as good
as a movie can get.
458
00:43:00,035 --> 00:44:42,804
♪♪
459
00:44:44,181 --> 00:44:45,431
(gasping)
460
00:45:35,649 --> 00:45:37,692
♪♪
461
00:47:43,151 --> 00:47:45,069
(waves crashing)
462
00:47:47,072 --> 00:47:52,410
- Ideally, the audience can look at a film,
emotionally get the whole thing
463
00:47:52,494 --> 00:47:55,830
and, uh, not necessarily be
able to explain it to somebody else.
464
00:47:57,749 --> 00:47:59,166
You know what it means, but
you can't articulate it.
465
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:02,753
After I see a film,
466
00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:04,672
I say,
how do they do that?
467
00:48:04,756 --> 00:48:06,257
I don't know how
it gets done.
468
00:48:08,677 --> 00:48:10,678
(wind rushing)
469
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:16,809
- woman: Kiss my hot lips!
470
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:17,894
- man: Oh, hot...
471
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,770
- Lips?
472
00:48:19,855 --> 00:48:21,731
Hot... Hot lips?
473
00:48:21,815 --> 00:48:24,191
- We have got to share this with
the rest of this camp.
474
00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:26,903
- Altman: There's a word that's in
the director's manual,
475
00:48:26,987 --> 00:48:28,237
it says "action."
476
00:48:29,031 --> 00:48:33,868
I don't restrict the actors and I allow them
to do what they can do
477
00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,037
or what they will
do, in fact, I insist on it
478
00:48:36,121 --> 00:48:38,331
and I don't restrict their
performance.
479
00:48:38,415 --> 00:48:39,665
(Echoing)
- Frank!
480
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:41,083
Wait a second!
481
00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,502
- What is it?
- Turn the light on!
482
00:48:44,212 --> 00:48:46,213
No, that's wrong...
turn it off.
483
00:48:47,215 --> 00:48:50,384
♪♪
484
00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:53,220
- Altman: When we started film,
we took it from theater,
485
00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:56,641
literature and we were an
extension of another art form.
486
00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:05,316
It's still that way, it's getting away
from it and I think that eventually,
487
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,569
somebody will make
a film that is purely a film
488
00:49:08,654 --> 00:49:12,406
and the audience can respond to as such
and I don't think it's been done.
489
00:49:12,491 --> 00:49:14,158
- ♪ But I'm easy ♪
490
00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:16,953
♪ Yeah I'm easy ♪
491
00:49:18,121 --> 00:49:20,831
♪ Take my hand
and pull me down ♪
492
00:49:20,916 --> 00:49:24,627
♪ I won't put up any fight
because I'm easy ♪
493
00:49:26,797 --> 00:49:28,047
♪ Easy ♪
494
00:49:29,424 --> 00:49:31,926
♪ Give the word I'll play your game ♪
495
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:34,720
♪ As though that's
how it ought to be ♪
496
00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:38,975
♪ Because I'm easy ♪
(clapping)
497
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:40,810
- Altman: I've always said
that making a film
498
00:49:40,894 --> 00:49:43,312
is like making a
sandcastle at the beach.
499
00:49:44,272 --> 00:49:47,984
You invite your friends and you get 'em
down there and you say,
500
00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,404
you build this beautiful
structure and have a drink,
501
00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:55,866
watch the tide come in and
the ocean just takes it away,
502
00:49:55,951 --> 00:49:58,285
and that sandcastle remains
in your mind.
503
00:50:00,205 --> 00:50:01,872
(dog barking)
504
00:50:05,794 --> 00:50:08,254
- Can we talk about something
other than Hollywood for a change?
505
00:50:08,338 --> 00:50:09,338
- woman: Yes.
- woman: Yes.
506
00:50:09,423 --> 00:50:10,423
- We're educated people.
- woman: Yeah.
507
00:50:10,507 --> 00:50:11,841
- man: Sure.
- woman: Sure.
508
00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:15,219
- (laughing)
509
00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:28,065
♪♪
510
00:50:33,822 --> 00:50:38,367
- In this particular piece,
as in a lot of my work,
511
00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:40,453
quite a bit of my work...
512
00:50:41,246 --> 00:50:46,959
People are really
feeling a deep emotion, uh,
513
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:51,881
from the experience
that's going on on the screen,
514
00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:56,093
and what's going on on the screen
right now is, uh,
515
00:50:56,178 --> 00:51:00,639
an image of a
mother and her children
516
00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:06,896
walking through, uh, some kind of barrier
and coming into our world,
517
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:11,942
and then, of course, which is the fate
of all of us, they have to go back.
518
00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:16,739
They have to go back to
the dark gray side, uh,
519
00:51:16,823 --> 00:51:19,283
and go back
from where they came
520
00:51:19,367 --> 00:51:22,828
and that's basically,
uh, our existence.
521
00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:24,872
That's how
we live in this world.
522
00:51:28,543 --> 00:51:31,420
Cinema is the preservation
of a memory.
523
00:51:31,505 --> 00:51:34,173
Cinema is the inability
to remember without assistance.
524
00:51:36,551 --> 00:51:39,303
Cinema is the preservation
of the moment
525
00:51:39,387 --> 00:51:42,056
by slicing up
its parts into small pieces.
526
00:51:42,974 --> 00:51:47,144
Cinema is an image that moves
too fast to be seen,
527
00:51:47,229 --> 00:51:49,188
but just fast
enough to be believed.
528
00:51:51,483 --> 00:51:56,445
Cinema is a series of frozen moments
that might wake up.
529
00:51:59,616 --> 00:52:03,536
For me, art exists
on the fine line of knowing
530
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:07,164
and not knowing and a lot of
artists make a mistake,
531
00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:13,504
myself included, that you're a
little too timid to sort of go all the way
532
00:52:13,588 --> 00:52:19,593
uh, and for me, uh, my life has been
changed by the times
533
00:52:19,678 --> 00:52:22,680
when something in
my mind, something in my head,
534
00:52:23,014 --> 00:52:27,810
something in my heart just told me
to just take that other step.
535
00:52:27,894 --> 00:52:29,186
The one that
you don't wanna take.
536
00:52:34,901 --> 00:52:36,443
I don't connect the dots.
537
00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:41,323
I like things that grow
sort of like the way plants grow
538
00:52:41,408 --> 00:52:45,286
and theyjust take you and
intertwine and move,
539
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:47,997
sometimes inside you
and out of you and that,
540
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,000
to me, is how I make my work.
541
00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,502
Very often sometimes, I don't
even know what I'm doing
542
00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:55,337
and-and I guess I
kind of like it that way.
543
00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,554
The natural world is
unpredictable.
544
00:53:03,638 --> 00:53:07,308
We will never, ever find
a place where it's absolutely nice
545
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:12,813
and neat and tidy, it doesn't
work like that.
546
00:53:12,898 --> 00:53:17,693
And that's, I think, is the
difference between artists and people
547
00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:20,070
that don't make that leap
into the unknown.
548
00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:26,660
I have to have an idea, you have
to have a way, you have to have a path.
549
00:53:26,745 --> 00:53:28,078
That's all really important.
550
00:53:28,455 --> 00:53:30,915
You have to have technique,
you have to do all of these things.
551
00:53:30,999 --> 00:53:34,835
But in the end, it's gonna really
happen when you let go,
552
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,171
and let go...
letting go, you fall,
553
00:53:37,255 --> 00:53:40,090
and you didn't look to see if there
were rocks on the bottom
554
00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:43,469
that you might crush
your head on, you just jump.
555
00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:54,730
So much to do when video started and nobody
really knew it very well
556
00:53:54,814 --> 00:53:57,483
so everybody was
trying to figure it out
557
00:53:57,567 --> 00:54:00,611
and everybody was trying to, you know,
understand it better,
558
00:54:00,695 --> 00:54:03,697
but in the end, really, what
you're really trying to understand
559
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:07,284
is yourself, your place
in the world.
560
00:54:08,536 --> 00:54:09,870
What moves you honestly?
561
00:54:11,831 --> 00:54:13,457
- Madam.
562
00:54:13,541 --> 00:54:14,792
This is best.
563
00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:19,004
- Viola: Not, you know, what you saw
someone do or a cool movie you saw
564
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:23,467
but something really deep inside you
that comes from a very deep place.
565
00:54:26,513 --> 00:55:39,460
♪♪
566
00:57:01,167 --> 00:57:04,002
(waves crashing)
567
00:57:13,972 --> 00:57:36,368
(ship's horn blowing)
568
00:58:01,311 --> 00:58:05,147
♪♪
569
00:58:14,657 --> 00:58:18,744
- Hoberman: The first motion pictures
were minute-long actualities.
570
00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:25,334
And basically, the special effect, or
the attraction was the motion picture,
571
00:58:25,418 --> 00:58:28,754
the moving picture, the idea
of a photograph that moved.
572
00:58:30,507 --> 00:58:34,051
♪♪
573
00:58:35,762 --> 00:58:38,805
- man: Mr. Ford, you made a picture
called "3 Bad Men,"
574
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:40,599
and you had a quite
elaborate land rush in it.
575
00:58:40,683 --> 00:58:42,351
How did you shoot that?
576
00:58:42,435 --> 00:58:43,810
- Ford: With a camera.
577
00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:48,148
- It's interesting to see them lined
up as museum pieces,
578
00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:51,944
because... that's-
that's what they are.
579
00:58:59,035 --> 00:59:02,037
- Everybody senses that there's
a big change going on.
580
00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:06,166
Nobody knows what it
is and I certainly don't know.
581
00:59:08,419 --> 00:59:10,420
I'm gonna be a part
of the past.
582
00:59:12,382 --> 00:59:13,799
(crashing)
583
00:59:30,149 --> 00:59:33,485
- Hoberman: It's going to become an
increasingly digitally produced medium.
584
00:59:34,153 --> 00:59:36,572
It's neither good nor bad,
It just... It just is.
585
00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:39,074
- Get away.
586
00:59:39,158 --> 00:59:40,409
(screams)
587
00:59:41,452 --> 00:59:42,536
(screaming)
588
00:59:43,871 --> 00:59:46,290
- What's changed, I think,
is the nature of the audience
589
00:59:46,374 --> 00:59:49,710
and the parameters of
the movie industry.
590
00:59:50,628 --> 00:59:54,923
It's much harder for a
certain kind of film to be made,
591
00:59:55,008 --> 00:59:57,009
not just in Hollywood,
but anywhere.
592
00:59:57,594 --> 01:00:02,472
I still think that very
talented and gifted individuals
593
01:00:02,557 --> 01:00:05,100
are engrossed in the medium
594
01:00:05,184 --> 01:00:06,685
and, you know,
the most interesting films
595
01:00:06,769 --> 01:00:08,228
all come from the periphery.
596
01:00:15,903 --> 01:00:18,614
- Everybody knows
a lot about film now,
597
01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:21,366
whether they are aware
of it or not.
598
01:00:22,118 --> 01:00:26,705
And so it's nice to be able
to deconstruct those things a little bit
599
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:28,081
or play with them
600
01:00:28,166 --> 01:00:29,750
so you're not in a trance-like
state of, like,
601
01:00:29,834 --> 01:00:34,755
I know what I'm... I
know what I came for and I will get that.
602
01:00:36,382 --> 01:00:39,551
My films are more sunk in the mundane
and the day-to-day.
603
01:00:42,555 --> 01:00:45,974
From the beginning, we know
we're gonna have limited resources,
604
01:00:46,059 --> 01:00:49,394
so I'm always looking for stories,
that are mostly exteriors.
605
01:00:50,229 --> 01:00:51,480
I like shooting on location.
606
01:00:52,899 --> 01:00:54,399
And it's Oregon,
so we're usually in the rain.
607
01:00:56,527 --> 01:00:59,529
I live a completely unadventurous life
except for when we're making a film.
608
01:01:02,283 --> 01:01:05,327
You know, you're definitely
on an adventure with these people
609
01:01:05,411 --> 01:01:06,912
that you're with.
610
01:01:08,498 --> 01:01:10,582
- man: It's like climbing a mountain.
611
01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:14,378
Look around, you see trees
and rocks and bushes,
612
01:01:14,462 --> 01:01:17,673
pressing around you and
then you get above the tree line,
613
01:01:17,757 --> 01:01:20,175
you see everything you just went through
and it all, like,
614
01:01:20,259 --> 01:01:21,760
comes together.
615
01:01:24,555 --> 01:01:25,847
- Hey...
What's going on?
616
01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:29,017
- man: Just relax, man.
617
01:01:30,436 --> 01:01:34,773
- Reichardt: "Old Joy" was a crew
of six, including the actors.
618
01:01:34,857 --> 01:01:36,400
They had to be
crew people, too.
619
01:01:38,236 --> 01:01:40,153
I had paid for that
film myself.
620
01:01:40,238 --> 01:01:42,072
You know, I had
everybody for two weeks
621
01:01:42,156 --> 01:01:45,659
and we just sort of went into
the woods to make this...
622
01:01:45,743 --> 01:01:47,035
whatever it was gonna be.
623
01:01:47,912 --> 01:01:50,914
The frailty of the production
really always does mirror
624
01:01:51,332 --> 01:01:52,999
the frailty of what's happening.
625
01:01:53,251 --> 01:01:54,543
(knocking)
626
01:01:55,586 --> 01:01:59,381
With "Wendy and Lucy," if she
makes one mistake, she's done for.
627
01:01:59,465 --> 01:02:01,967
She doesn't have a net,
we don't have a net.
628
01:02:02,051 --> 01:02:03,176
- You can't
sleep here, ma'am.
629
01:02:03,261 --> 01:02:06,346
- Reichardt: It's putting the audience
in the situation she's in.
630
01:02:06,431 --> 01:02:09,766
There's a lot of themes
about society and tough times
631
01:02:10,393 --> 01:02:13,228
and also, it's also
about aloneness.
632
01:02:14,021 --> 01:02:17,774
♪♪
633
01:02:20,278 --> 01:02:22,779
To me, the ideal would be,
you know,
634
01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:25,115
you leave the theater with
someone you saw the movie
635
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:28,243
with you and you both take
away a different idea
636
01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:30,328
and it's not all so conclusive
637
01:02:30,413 --> 01:02:34,166
that it's just
completely handed to you.
638
01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,962
I'm here in my little
editing room.
639
01:02:39,046 --> 01:02:43,049
Nobody says anything that I
have to do anything or follow anything.
640
01:02:44,427 --> 01:02:46,052
I'm really grateful for it,
641
01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:50,599
but it's what I tell myself when, um...
(laughs)
642
01:02:50,683 --> 01:02:56,229
I want more time to shoot
and you know, more of everything.
643
01:02:58,608 --> 01:03:02,569
- Independent film means films made with
no interference whatever,
644
01:03:02,653 --> 01:03:04,404
with total creative freedom,
645
01:03:04,489 --> 01:03:09,618
with absolute, um, integrity
646
01:03:09,702 --> 01:03:12,913
uh, and no committees
of any kind
647
01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:15,999
e-e-exerting any kind of
pressure on form or content.
648
01:03:17,585 --> 01:03:20,670
(both arguing loudly)
649
01:03:22,089 --> 01:03:26,676
- Leigh: I'm concerned with,
um, with the-the very substance,
650
01:03:26,761 --> 01:03:30,931
the sort of tangible nuances of
how we are behaviorally.
651
01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:34,935
(grunting)
652
01:03:36,062 --> 01:03:37,604
People say, well,
what of the subject?
653
01:03:37,688 --> 01:03:40,732
You know, there's a guy sitting here,
the sound recordist...
654
01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:42,400
There's immediately a story there.
655
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:45,779
I want to know who he is, where
he's from, what he had for breakfast,
656
01:03:45,863 --> 01:03:47,447
what his relationships
are about.
657
01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:49,866
You know, there's a movie and there's
a guy sitting over there in the corner,
658
01:03:49,951 --> 01:03:51,159
and there's another movie,
659
01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:52,911
or it's the same movie,
I don't know.
660
01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:55,914
♪♪
661
01:03:55,998 --> 01:03:57,415
- woman: Johnny!
- Leigh: Life is out there
662
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,419
to capture and explore and distill
663
01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:04,214
and, uh, be that mirror
that we hold up.
664
01:04:06,968 --> 01:04:07,968
- Where are you going, Johnny?
665
01:04:08,052 --> 01:04:09,511
- You're off your head.
- I'm coming with you.
666
01:04:09,595 --> 01:04:10,971
- No, you're not.
- I want to come with you!
667
01:04:11,055 --> 01:04:12,347
- Don't you fucking
come with me.
668
01:04:14,767 --> 01:04:17,227
- Are you coming back?
- Johnny: What the fuck for?
669
01:04:25,152 --> 01:04:27,070
- Don't stop!
670
01:04:27,154 --> 01:04:28,488
- What about dinner?
- What?
671
01:04:29,824 --> 01:04:31,533
- I can't eat
no more, I'm full up.
672
01:04:31,617 --> 01:04:32,951
- It's not a joke!
673
01:04:33,536 --> 01:04:34,786
- I'm gonna puke.
674
01:04:36,122 --> 01:04:37,622
- Weak.
675
01:04:39,625 --> 01:04:43,295
- The main subject with my films
is characters and their relationships.
676
01:04:46,465 --> 01:04:51,469
The shoot has to be preceded by
a substantial chunk of time
677
01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:54,681
through which you
discover what the piece of work is.
678
01:04:54,765 --> 01:04:55,891
(phone ringing)
679
01:04:55,975 --> 01:04:58,518
- In the rehearsal process
of "Secrets and Lies,
680
01:04:58,603 --> 01:05:03,481
we had built the backstory,
as we do with all the characters,
681
01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:08,278
of the central protagonist, Cynthia,
played by Brenda Blethyn.
682
01:05:08,362 --> 01:05:09,362
- Hello?
683
01:05:09,447 --> 01:05:10,947
- Is that Cynthia Purley?
684
01:05:11,032 --> 01:05:12,282
- Yes.
685
01:05:12,366 --> 01:05:13,700
- Of 76 Quota Street?
686
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:16,953
- Is... What is
it you want, darling?
687
01:05:17,038 --> 01:05:18,747
- It's about Elizabeth.
688
01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:20,081
- Elizabeth...
Elizabeth who?
689
01:05:20,666 --> 01:05:24,377
- Baby Elizabeth Purley.
690
01:05:24,462 --> 01:05:26,504
- Leigh: The premise of how
I get all these things happening
691
01:05:26,589 --> 01:05:29,716
is that nobody knows anything
about any of the other action
692
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,676
or characters except what
their character would know.
693
01:05:32,803 --> 01:05:34,638
(retching, phone ringing)
694
01:05:34,722 --> 01:05:39,059
- She and I had decided that,
uh, when this girl, woman, was 16,
695
01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:47,025
she was very, very vulnerable and
very, um, susceptible to guys
696
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:51,738
and was mistreated
and exploited by guys.
697
01:05:53,908 --> 01:05:56,409
- I mean, I can't be your
mother, can I?
698
01:05:56,494 --> 01:05:59,329
- Why not?
- Well, look at me.
699
01:05:59,413 --> 01:06:00,664
- What?
700
01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:03,249
- Listen, I don't
mean nothing by it, darling,
701
01:06:03,334 --> 01:06:06,044
but I ain't never been with
a black man in my life.
702
01:06:06,128 --> 01:06:07,462
No disrespect nor nothing.
703
01:06:09,423 --> 01:06:11,216
I'd have remembered,
wouldn't I?
704
01:06:12,885 --> 01:06:15,512
- Leigh: We had decided
that she'd gone to a party,
705
01:06:15,596 --> 01:06:19,224
she'd had too much to drink and
she'd gone with a black guy.
706
01:06:20,643 --> 01:06:23,144
She had a fuck with
a black guy in the bathroom.
707
01:06:24,271 --> 01:06:26,272
- Oh, bloody hell.
708
01:06:27,024 --> 01:06:31,444
- We'd invented the fact that she'd had
a baby and she'd given that baby away.
709
01:06:31,529 --> 01:06:35,448
- Oh, Jesus Christ almighty!
710
01:06:36,325 --> 01:06:38,493
(crying)
711
01:06:38,577 --> 01:06:39,828
- She'd forgotten.
712
01:06:39,912 --> 01:06:43,081
Brenda Blethyn, the actress,
had forgotten that moment.
713
01:06:43,165 --> 01:06:47,335
So the shock that this woman was claiming
to be her daughter was,
714
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:48,878
she actually
experienced it for real.
715
01:06:48,963 --> 01:06:51,131
- I'm sorry...
I'm sorry.
716
01:07:00,307 --> 01:07:02,308
I'm so ashamed.
717
01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:08,732
- I had never saw a film
that wasn't in English 'til I was 17.
718
01:07:09,984 --> 01:07:12,277
Suddenly, I discovered
world cinema.
719
01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:16,740
Suddenly, in one
explosive moment, it was all going on.
720
01:07:20,953 --> 01:07:24,789
You can't look at any of my work
721
01:07:24,874 --> 01:07:27,542
and say it's obviously
influenced by "The Seventh Seal"...
722
01:07:30,087 --> 01:07:32,922
But "The Seventh Seal" was a
revelation at that time.
723
01:07:33,966 --> 01:07:35,759
(laughing)
724
01:07:35,843 --> 01:07:39,387
- You keep on rowing,
I'll keep on smiling.
725
01:07:39,472 --> 01:07:43,475
- Leigh: I see the world as being
deeply tragic and hilariously comic.
726
01:07:46,937 --> 01:07:48,438
And I actually like watching
my films.
727
01:07:48,522 --> 01:07:52,233
There are film directors who... who
can't bear to watch their own films.
728
01:07:52,318 --> 01:07:54,486
Beats me how they expect
you to enjoy them.
729
01:07:56,197 --> 01:08:00,158
♪♪
730
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:07,415
My films are very much not only
about people, but there are about place.
731
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:11,252
Homes, of rooms, of things,
of clothes.
732
01:08:11,337 --> 01:08:13,880
About... time passing.
733
01:08:15,382 --> 01:08:17,467
At the last scene
of "Happy-Go-Lucky"
734
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:20,512
when the two protagonists are
in a rowing boat,
735
01:08:20,596 --> 01:08:23,765
you analyze it, there's
something liberating about it
736
01:08:23,849 --> 01:08:26,226
and philosophical, they are
being philosophical.
737
01:08:26,852 --> 01:08:29,395
All kinds of magical things
happened and we did six takes
738
01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:33,274
and the one take that we used has got
the birds flying through it.
739
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,528
And that is cinema.
740
01:08:36,612 --> 01:08:37,612
You want to
know what is cinema?
741
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:38,947
That is cinema.
742
01:08:41,784 --> 01:08:44,369
(soft scraping)
743
01:08:54,171 --> 01:08:58,091
- woman: Cinema is a matter of what's
in the frame and what's out.
744
01:08:58,175 --> 01:08:59,425
(thumping)
745
01:09:00,344 --> 01:09:04,514
- man: Cinema is writing with images
and movement and with sounds.
746
01:09:07,351 --> 01:09:09,310
- woman: Images and sounds,
747
01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:11,437
like people who make
acquaintance on a train
748
01:09:11,522 --> 01:09:13,356
and afterwards cannot separate.
749
01:09:14,358 --> 01:09:15,984
(train whistle blowing)
750
01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:21,573
- man: An image is transformed by
contact with another image,
751
01:09:22,241 --> 01:09:25,451
as a color is transformed
by contact with another color.
752
01:09:25,536 --> 01:09:26,786
(shattering)
753
01:09:28,497 --> 01:09:31,374
The camera is more
than a recorder.
754
01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:32,709
It's a microscope.
755
01:09:33,586 --> 01:09:34,836
It penetrates.
756
01:09:35,296 --> 01:09:36,671
It goes into people.
757
01:09:37,923 --> 01:09:40,550
♪♪
758
01:09:44,722 --> 01:09:46,723
- woman: The essence of cinema
is movement.
759
01:09:52,771 --> 01:09:56,024
- man: The most important
thing in movies is lighting.
760
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,283
- woman: The most important
thing in movies is casting.
761
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:15,251
- man: We are in a time now
when movies, and more generally, art,
762
01:10:15,336 --> 01:10:21,341
have been lost, do not exist, and
must somehow be reinvented.
763
01:10:25,012 --> 01:10:28,848
Like lost children, we live our
unfinished adventures.
764
01:10:43,489 --> 01:10:46,074
(wind rushing)
765
01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:55,625
♪♪
766
01:11:03,259 --> 01:11:06,761
(chatter)
767
01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,481
- You know, mainstream movies
are generally made in a certain way,
768
01:11:18,565 --> 01:11:20,566
they're supposed to
tell a narrative.
769
01:11:21,986 --> 01:11:24,028
We were very conscious
that we were doing, you know,
770
01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:25,947
an unconventional approach in that way
771
01:11:26,031 --> 01:11:30,326
where there was an
outline for a script
772
01:11:30,411 --> 01:11:33,997
with some line,
just points to kind of hit.
773
01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:39,752
- Press?
774
01:11:39,837 --> 01:11:41,087
Press?
775
01:11:42,131 --> 01:11:43,881
- man: We'll knock on doors
and make those phone calls!
776
01:11:43,966 --> 01:11:47,385
- Filmmakers can be a little bit
arrogant, so you need to,
777
01:11:47,469 --> 01:11:51,055
sort of, check that at the door
and look outside the viewfinder
778
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:52,598
and be impacted by
what you see.
779
01:11:52,683 --> 01:11:55,310
- We have an idea in our head
and hopefully, you know,
780
01:11:55,394 --> 01:11:58,563
not too far into it, that
idea changes, and if it doesn't,
781
01:11:58,647 --> 01:11:59,981
maybe we're making
the wrong film.
782
01:12:03,235 --> 01:12:05,111
- Okay, guys, we have
Michael Winterbottom... director.
783
01:12:05,195 --> 01:12:06,279
- man: Michael, how are you doing?
784
01:12:06,363 --> 01:12:09,532
- It is a play, it is an experiment,
it's an instinctive thing,
785
01:12:09,616 --> 01:12:13,286
rather than "this will mean this,"
I think, or "this will do this."
786
01:12:13,370 --> 01:12:17,498
When you're making a film, it's not
like I don't care about the audience at all.
787
01:12:17,583 --> 01:12:19,625
It's not like I want to deliberately
exclude an audience,
788
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:22,170
but I think as a filmmaker,
you can only make what you like,
789
01:12:22,254 --> 01:12:23,921
you can only make the things
that you find interesting.
790
01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:37,602
- Cinema is the multiple network
of... of technologies and ideas.
791
01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:47,445
And it will continue as
long as humanity will continue.
792
01:12:48,072 --> 01:12:51,449
♪♪
793
01:13:00,042 --> 01:13:01,626
(siren blares)
794
01:13:32,825 --> 01:13:34,158
- Good evening!
795
01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:35,493
Good to see...
796
01:13:35,577 --> 01:13:36,828
(applause)
No...
797
01:13:36,912 --> 01:13:38,162
(speaking foreign language)
798
01:13:45,421 --> 01:13:48,256
(rattling)
799
01:13:50,759 --> 01:13:52,009
It's like cooking.
800
01:13:52,344 --> 01:13:54,011
It's not so much
different.
801
01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:57,432
You have icebox full of stuff and...
802
01:13:57,516 --> 01:13:59,934
but you are making one dish,
803
01:14:00,018 --> 01:14:04,188
so you don't just put everything,
you just put what belongs to it.
804
01:14:06,358 --> 01:14:09,026
- man: What advice
would you give to people?
805
01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:12,155
- Never give any advice
to anybody.
806
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:13,698
(laughing)
807
01:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,785
- man: This feels like your last film,
but I assume it isn't.
808
01:14:19,496 --> 01:14:20,746
- No, it's up to you.
809
01:14:20,831 --> 01:14:22,081
(laughing)
810
01:14:26,587 --> 01:14:29,589
What managed to survive
the wars, dictators, fanatics, fires,
811
01:14:32,676 --> 01:14:38,014
is because it's so rare that...
the reality recorded there.
812
01:14:38,599 --> 01:14:41,934
- Viola: Cinema is an artificial
perception looking for an experience.
813
01:14:44,146 --> 01:14:49,358
Cinema is a series of frozen moments
that might wake up.
814
01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:53,196
- Mekas: It's rare...
Special.
815
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,530
Unique.
816
01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:07,585
♪♪
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