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Well, there you have it,

the search for the treasure of the copper scrolls

has come to a close,

and with it, our two-part exploration

into the mysteries of the dead sea scrolls.

But even though we may be out of the desert,

I promise we're just getting warmed up.

Tonight, I'll be joined by this gentleman,

archeologist dr. Oren gutfeld,

and you'll see exclusive footage

of a potentially groundbreaking discovery

beneath hyrcania fortress.

We have something. What is that?

Could that be a space in the wall?

We'll also hear from a scholar who thinks he knows

exactly where the copper scrolls treasure came from,

why it hasn't been found, and where it may have gone.

Plus, members from the intrepid "exu" field crew

will be here to discuss the very real dangers we faced.

Woman: It's about to be out.

Hold on, hold on! Let me do it.

Gates: From car trouble in the scorching desert...

Oh, perfect.

...To injuries in the depths of remote caves,

our dead sea scroll adventure was just the first chapter.

Now the story continues in "after the hunt."

-- captions by vitac -- www.Vitac.Com

captions paid for by discovery communications

I'm josh gates.

Welcome back to "expedition unknown" headquarters.

Well, it may have taken moses 40 years

to get out of the desert, but for you, only an hour.

Joining me here is someone who should be familiar

to you by now, archeologist dr. Oren gutfeld.

Good to see you again, sir. How you doing?

I'm glad to be here.

Yeah, I'm happy to have you here.

Thank you.

Oren is the first person to find a new

dead sea scroll parchment in a cave in qumran in 70 years.

And, oren, a little later,

we're gonna talk about these incredible tunnels

that you took me down in the hyrcania fortress there.

But let's start with the other tunnels we were in.

In beit lehi, this expansive settlement

in the judean lowlands --

first of all, I don't know what is with you and tunnels.

Look at us. Oren, we're big guys,

we have no business being in these tunnels.

I don't know, occupational hazard.

Right. If you're an archeologist,

you have to go where the tunnel leads,

I guess, right? Right.

Okay. Now what? Are you stuck?

Yes, I am.

So, I have to say I was really blown away

by beit lehi.

On the surface, just a really spectacular set of ruins there,

but I had no idea how extensive this place was underground.

Here's a quick look back at our time

underneath beit lehi.

♪

josh, there's a staircase over here!

There's a staircase?

A tunnel going that way and a staircase going down,

this is like a choose-your-own adventure.

It is. Should we try the stairs first?

Yes, let's go down to the stairs.

And then we'll double back to the tunnel.

[ grunts ]

right behind you.

Wow. Look at this.

Come here, come here. Look, there's pottery.

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

See it?

Cooking pot.

You don't even have to dig for it.

Oh, look at that.

The handle of the pot.

Look at that.

That is awesome.

♪

oh, oh! Look at that!

What? Look at that!

It's an oil lamp.

Oh, my god.

♪

you know, as tight as it was and as hot as it was under there,

I could have spent days underground there.

Really, I mean, it was so fascinating.

These were hiding tunnels.

And this is where jews that were escaping from the romans

were living and hiding.

And we found some remarkable artifacts down there --

pottery sherds, pieces of a cooking pot,

this beautiful oil lamp, which was really exciting.

But let's talk about what we didn't find there --

we didn't find scrolls.

Yes, that's correct. So, why is that?

Well, the reason for that is that the site

of beit lehi's located in the judean lowland.

The judean lowland is much closer to the mediterranean

and has much more humidity.

And since the scrolls are made of organic material,

like papyrus or parchment, they cannot survive there.

Right.

It's a reminder that we really only have these scrolls

because of these very, very perfect conditions

in the caves in qumran.

That's correct.

The area of qumran, the dead sea is desert, very arid.

I think that taking out the scrolls

from the area of the dead sea

caused them more damage in the last 70 years

than the entire 2,000 years that they had been stored over there.

That's a wild thought... Yes.

...That really just the act

of moving these scrolls in the modern age...

Absolutely. ...Caused them to degrade.

Yes, to a different condition.

Unfortunately, they didn't last.

Right.

Just because there aren't scrolls down there

doesn't mean there aren't wonders to find.

One of the things I think that really kind of made

my brain melt is that there's so much of these tunnels

that haven't been explored even.

Oh, that's correct.

We've found numerous amounts of new caves

and new tunnels over there from the end

of the second temple period.

There's a scene that we didn't have a chance to show

that I want viewers to take a look at.

This is a moment where we got a look at a chamber

that nobody has been into in the last 2,000 years

that was just outside our reach.

Take a look at this.

Okay.

I got to rethink my line of work.

Okay.

Uh-huh.

Can you see through?

It's a chamber. Yes.

Can you fit in the room?

It's 40 feet deep?

Wow, wow, wow.

♪

that was crazy to me.

I mean, you could see that there was this huge room,

and it looked like doors and a staircase going down.

I mean, that staircase leads somewhere else.

It's amazing. Yes.

So, let's turn our attention away from the tunnels

of beit lehi.

Let's talk about, really,

I think the strangest of the dead sea scrolls --

the copper scroll.

It's a very unique scroll from any point of view.

It was made from 99% pure copper.

Have any other scrolls been found

that are anything like this?

No, you have 929 dead sea scrolls,

only one made of copper.

Right.

Well, it was found at qumran in the '50s?

Yes, the copper scroll was found

in cave number 3 by the team of roland de vaux

in 1952.

Now, when it was found, it was like any scroll,

it was rolled up, making it impossible to read, correct?

Yes, because it was made of pure copper.

Right.

And they couldn't open it until 1956

when john marco allegro took it to manchester.

And over there in the high-tech institute,

professor baker cut it into pieces

that you can still see today.

Incredible.

So, now let's talk about what's on the copper scroll.

It's a very, very unique and enigmatic text.

It's not in other books of the bible.

Copper scrolls speak about 64 places

of where huge amount of treasures

were hidden in the desert.

Wow.

Last phrase in the copper scroll

mentioned a copy of this scroll made of silver.

There's a silver copy that's never been found?

That's correct.

It's so frustrating.

The copper scroll is, like -- is --

at every turn, is really frustrating.

And one of the reasons it's so frustrating, of course,

is that the instructions on it of where to look...

Yes. ...Are maddeningly vague.

Yes. As vague as the clues are,

there are some names and places mentioned.

And I have to say, I thought you made a really interesting case

for the fact that this area where this hyrcania fortress

was could be a location from the scroll.

That's correct.

And to make the case even more compelling were these tunnels.

Yes.

And these tunnels are really unique.

They don't make a lot of sense when you go down inside of them.

First of all, they're cut at a very steep angle,

one would assume a very purposeful angle.

It's not an easy, you know, thing to get up and down,

so the question is why -- why build a tunnel

at this extreme angle going down into the earth?

Well, that's the frustrating thing is that we don't know.

Right.

And that's the reason we need to continue with the research.

And speaking of that, one of the tunnels forked

and hit a dead end, but we didn't let that stop us.

There's a lot more to our investigation of those tunnels

than you saw in the show.

We brought in some state-of-the-art tech

to see if there's more to these passageways than meets the eye.

Take a look.

-Hi. -Hi, guys, how are you?

-Hi. -I'm josh.

Yeah. Nice to meet you.

He's our gpr person, and yakov kalman...

Yakov. Nice to meet you.

My associate from hebrew university.

I see some serious tech here -- is this radar?

Yeah, it's a ground-penetrating radar.

I also see an oxygen canister here, that's not a great sign.

Well... What's that here for?

That's because the lack of air inside.

We were excavating over there once,

we almost died inside because of lack of air.

That's a great story.

I'm thrilled to go in now.

[ laughter ]

gates: We make our way nearly 300 feet underground.

After exploring the stairwell and reaching the dead end,

we call in our gpr techs, yakov and uri,

to learn if there's a chamber that we are not seeing.

So, the premise is we're gonna try to gpr

the two side tunnels here,

see if it really is a dead end or not.

Yes, the walls of the new tunnels

and perhaps to find a chamber or a void between the two tunnels.

Meaning somewhere in this wall? Yeah.

We'll scan and image this wall between the two tunnels.

Got it. Okay.

So, let's break out the gpr, yeah?

Yeah, let's do it. Yeah.

We assemble the gpr, or ground-penetrating radar.

Here we go.

The device sends out pulses of high-frequency radio waves

and detects how the signals are reflected off

of whatever's being scanned.

If the radio waves scatter,

there may be a void behind this wall,

a chamber that could hold the vast treasure

of the copper scroll.

Okay. We got one run.

Let's look at the data and see what we got.

Yep.

As I see in the middle of the section

about between 5 to 6 meters, we have strong reflections.

And, oh, yeah, uh-huh,

we have something in the middle of the section.

Here? Here between 5 to 6 meters.

What is that? You see?

Could that be a space in the wall?

Space in the wall, yes.

That was a wild moment. Yeah.

I take it you weren't expecting the gpr to find something there.

No, not really.

In the past, we suspected that there are cavities

inside the tunnel,

but we didn't know how to get through them.

Right. Well, later tonight,

oren will be back to show us the results of the gpr scan

that he and his colleagues performed under hyrcania.

But first, our journey following the copper scroll

took me from israel to jordan and back again.

When we return from this short break,

my intrepid crew will be here to share some exclusive footage

and to talk about what it took to film

in these extreme conditions.

Plus, you'll go behind the scenes

of my chariot dream sequence.

Hyah! No, no, no.

It was more like a nightmare.

You know what they say, never work with children

or roman chariots.

♪

welcome back to this edition of "after the hunt."

tonight, we are talking about our trip to the middle east

where we investigated the mysteries

of the dead sea scrolls.

And here with me now are some of the brave members

of the "expedition unknown" crew --

our two directors of photography, mr. Evan b. Stone

and mr. Brian weed.

Great to see you, boys. It's great to be here.

Yeah, happy to have you.

And our story producer here, the one the only,

mr. Tom quinn. How you doing, josh?

Pretty good. How are you?

I'm fair to partly cloudy.

That's what you say every time.

You ever once -- have you ever said, "I'm great"?

I'm doing great.

Okay, I'll make that my pol-- you're a writer.

There's no such thing as doing great.

You're never happy, no. Right.

It's part of the job to be miserable all the time.

That's what we love about tom.

Well, we've been getting a lot of messages on social media

from viewers asking about the trip,

and a lot of people want to know what it was like filming

in jordan and the capital of jordan, amman.

This is a place that I think a lot of folks

haven't been to before or don't know much about.

Amman is a kind of surprising city.

You know, when you hear that it's the capital

of a kingdom in the middle east,

you probably have these kind of "arabian nights"

sort of fantasies in your head.

Amman is a really modern city.

It felt very modern.

It felt just, you know, as modern as jerusalem

or tel aviv or any of the other cities we went to.

Yeah, and the real jaw-dropper

there is the ancient city of jerash,

which is just kind of outside the main town, which is huge.

It's one of the biggest roman ruins that still survived

to this present day anywhere in the world.

Yeah, they call it the pompeii of the middle east.

-Yeah. -Yeah.

It's just as good being there, I think,

as being in the forum in rome.

Better. You know, it may be even better.

The forum in rome is quite small, actually.

Actually, it is, yes.

And there's more columns standing in jerash,

because you've got these long streets

and everything that is still preserved

with the original stones on the ground

and rows of columns and everything.

Doesn't take much imagination

to put yourself right there in the 1st century.

Stone: Yeah, I mean, the columns are holding up structures.

It must have been a really incredible city.

Gates: Absolutely.

And we had this idea that we wanted to film

a kind of dream sequence of me coming into amman

as, like, a roman centurion on a roman chariot.

We thought this would be a funny idea.

We featured it in the show.

Hyah!

A little bit trickier to execute than I was expecting.

Yeah. Yeah, it was a little tougher.

The chariots are little bit more unwieldy.

The horse is a little less predictable.

The horses are a little less predictable,

and they're not quite as cooperative.

Anyway, here's a look at some of our chariot sequence

that didn't make the cut.

Hyah!

No, no, no.

This way.

[ horse whinnies ]

you know what they say, never work with children

or roman chariots.

Each your heart, russell crowe!

Anybody have a caesar salad around here?

Hyah!

The suspension leaves a little to be desired.

Oh, they're great on the straightaways,

but the corners are a drag.

Yah!

It even comes with armor-all.

All right, boys, which way to the forum?

Amazingly, when you travel in one of these,

traffic just clears right out. Hyah!

Only downside is this thing's a drag to park.

Hyah! Ho!

Shh!

They really want to go home.

Man: Are you okay? Yeah, yeah.

♪

yeah, it was basically like three hours of chaos

on that chariot for 25 seconds of time in the show.

You were picking up some pretty good speed,

and all I could think was -- not on purpose,

I was just out of control.

All that had to happen was one rock,

the wheel had hit something,

I mean, you would have gone flying.

It would have been out of "ben-hur,"

just a flip and it's over. Totally.

You looked pretty terrified at first,

but then you kind of warmed up into it,

and at least they weren't camels, you know, so.

That's true. If they were camels,

I would have quit much earlier.

Okay. So, amman, amazing, jerash, outstanding.

But let's talk about the ultimate bucket list location

that we went to on this trip --

the ancient rock-cut city of petra.

You know, whenever people say to me,

"where's someplace in the world that when you go there

in person, it truly doesn't disappoint,

stands up to expectations," I always say, "petra."

it's every bit as good as you think it's gonna be.

Totally.

It's amazing, I mean, the people who lived there at the time,

they were traders so they had a lot of money.

And they loved rome, so they built these huge buildings

cut inside the cliffs that look just like roman buildings.

But the funny thing is, you go inside,

and it's a cave, no walls, nothing else.

It is one of the real shocking things about petra.

You see these beautiful facades,

and there's nothing behind them.

It's like a movie set. Mm-hmm.

You know? It is, and you can understand

why they built the city there.

It's the ultimate reveal, you know,

it's almost like curtains being drawn back

as you get to the end of this narrow passage.

But one of the most incredible things, to me,

was seeing the amphitheater

that's carved into the side of a cliff.

And this amphitheater held, I believe, 8,500 people.

Right.

And to think that that whole canyon must have,

at one time, just been teeming, teeming with life,

and it's crazy to think about it.

I mean, what do they play there?

What kind of plays were there? You know...

Greek plays probably.

"funny thing that happened on the way to the forum."

well, the site of petra was absolutely spectacular,

but not all of our trip was so magical.

You've already seen some of the trouble

we had getting through the desert.

We had to contend with the blazing sun,

wandering herds of goats,

and sand traps that could swallow a car.

But, believe it or not, we didn't have time to show you

everything that went wrong on our trip.

Have a look at this never-before-seen footage.

Dr. Mohammad najjar and I

are crossing the jordanian desert

to find a remote bedouin camp

with answers about the mysterious copper scroll.

[ engine sputtering ]

oh [bleep]

but our 4x4 doesn't seem to want to go along for the ride.

Slight problem, doctor.

The wiring?

I think it's electrical.

It is, yes. That's taped, see?

I think, yeah. That's the problem.

This is screwed up -- okay, so, this was taped by somebody.

That's the problem. Just put your hand on that.

I get it, yeah. You look at my hair.

Yeah, if it goes up we -- if it goes up, we have problem.

Okay. Here we go. I'm gonna try not to shock you.

Okay. Go ahead.

[ engine starts, sputters ]

she's alive! She's dead.

Here we go.

Hold on.

[ engine starts ]

we're good.

Okay. Come on in quick.

Whoo-hoo-hoo!

We almost had to live out here.

That would have been really ugly.

Probably would have eaten me within, like, a day.

[ chuckles ]

another country, another terrible car.

Why can't we get anything that works right?

And what you saw right here, that was one of about 50 times

that the car broke down on this trip,

and we had to go in there, shock yourself,

and try to somehow get the wiring to work again.

So, not my favorite vehicle we've ever had on the show.

No, not the best.

And, in case you're wondering, dr. Najjar

did get the truck started long enough for me

to get us stuck in a sand dune, which you did see in the show.

Let's talk about this because I was out there alone with him.

We had a support vehicle that was not that close, actually,

and I got stuck in a dune.

I was back with the support vehicle and everybody else,

and so we're waiting for you guys,

and it's like we're waiting and we're waiting and waiting.

And finally, I decided to just hump up a sand dune on my own

and try to figure out where the hell these guys are.

And I see this little, white vehicle over in the distance,

and I walk on over,

and there's josh underneath the tire digging away.

And he looks up and he goes, "hi, tom."

you know, I waved like, "bye," you know?

And -- I wish you'd brought a shovel.

I know, I know.

And fortunately we had this guy, you know, appear out of nowhere

and, like -- I mean, hold on,

"appear out of nowhere."

like "lawrence of arabia."

right, this bedouin dude, like a mirage...

Yeah. ...Came over the hills

with a pack of smokes in his hand.

Right, and a cellphone.

And, you know, within five minutes,

he's cutting down branches, he's making traction for the tires.

He knew exactly how to get that car out of there.

And he gave you directions of where to go.

To the bedouin camp we were looking for.

Right. It was amazing.

It was like the jordanian aaa.

And all of that was just the beginning

of our adventures in the desert.

Later in the show, the crew is gonna be back to share

more behind-the-scenes stories from our trip across jordan,

but coming up next, I'm talking with a dead sea scrolls scholar

who believes he's figured out who wrote the copper scroll,

where the treasure came from,

and, most importantly, where it may have gone.

Stay tuned.

♪

welcome back to "exu" headquarters

where we're taking an in-depth look into our investigation

of the enigmatic copper scroll.

It's a search for ancient treasure

that took us into tunnels and caves

on both sides of the dead sea.

And, as you saw on tonight's episode,

the copper scroll was inscribed with directions

to 64 caches of gold, silver, and jewels.

The only problem -- we have no idea

what treasure it's describing and the landmarks in the scroll

are a little hard to follow.

So, we're gonna talk now with dr. Mike wise.

He's a professor at the university of northwestern

in st. Paul, minnesota,

where he's dedicated his career

to the study of the dead sea scrolls

and the copper scroll in particular.

Dr. Wise, thank you for speaking with me.

How are you? I'm very well tonight.

How are you today? I'm well.

So, let's talk about the copper scroll.

Look, to start with, it's really cool.

I know that's kind of a silly thing to say,

but it's one of those things that if you told somebody about,

they wouldn't believe.

You know, this metallic scroll, you know,

etched with not just a vast treasure

but cryptic instructions on how to find it.

I mean, it sounds like something out of an "indiana jones" movie.

It truly does, and then the whole idea

of rolling up a scroll on metal is a strange idea, too.

It doesn't seem like it could be real.

Right. But it is.

Let's talk about whether it is unique.

We know that it's the only one of the dead sea scrolls

that was found that was inscribed on metal,

but are there other examples of documents

like this in antiquity?

Yes, there are other kinds of documents

written on metal in the ancient world

at the same time that the scroll was produced.

I have a few photos that I can show you.

The first one is known as the tables of iraklia

and it's 3rd, 4th century b.C.E.

And this was attached to the temple of dionysus in Italy.

And this temple had an inscription

on it inscribed in bronze.

Then a final example, this one is actually etched into gold...

Wow. That's unbelievable.

...Is known as the orphic lamina,

and it comes from ancient athens or it's attached

to an ancient athenian colony in thouria

where they had inscribed this group of instructions

about how the dead were to go on to eternal bliss.

I'd like a copy of that.

Do you have that available?

Does it work?

How's your ancient greek?

Not good, not good. Okay.

So we do have precedent for this,

but of course what makes the copper scroll so unique

is the way that it was found,

you know, rolled up as if it were a paper scroll

and deposited with these other manuscripts.

What do you make of that?

Why do you think the copper scroll

was there in those caves in qumran?

Do you have a theory about that?

Actually, I do. There's 11 caves

associated with the dead sea scrolls.

This one comes from cave 3.

It once was, actually, up on a wall or attached

to some kind of a flat surface, because it has nail holes in it.

To my mind, what makes most sense is that this text comes

from the temple of herod back in jerusalem.

And so if this is the treasure of the second temple, we know

that the temple in jerusalem was center of jewish life,

and we also know that it was a place of great offerings,

so certainly, it makes sense

that this could be the treasure from the second temple.

Yes, it does.

For example, all throughout the roman empire --

and there were millions of jews who lived outside

the land in those days --

millions of people were giving large sums of money

over time to the temple in jerusalem,

and that was where the money was stored

so even though all these sacrifices

and holy things went on, it was also a kind of fort knox.

Right.

And so if this was from the temple in jerusalem,

why would it have these instructions

of where to look for treasure elsewhere

in places that seem to be outside the city.

It's talking about trees and valleys and things like that.

What would be the function of it, do you think?

Well, the function of it was to act as a guide

to how to locate these treasures once it was safe to do it.

So, we have to imagine that the temple is predictably

going to fall,

the treasures of the temple need to be saved --

remember the romans had encircled the city

with what they called a circum wallum,

this wall that nobody could get through,

but actually they could get under it and out behind it.

And so the plan was, "let's take the stuff from the treasure,

let's hide it in various places within the city

and also outside the city,

and we will write down a list of all the locations

and what's at each location and then we will hide

that treasure trove out in the desert."

that's what they did. Right.

So, another big mystery about the copper scroll

that I've heard various opinions on

is just how cryptic the clues within it really are.

You know, we look at it today with modern eyes,

and it's hard to make any real sense of it.

Do you think if this was read

by somebody in the second temple period

when it was written, that they would look at these clues

and not had any idea where to look,

or would this have been something more comprehensible

to ancient readers?

So, I think that it would probably be difficult to find

some at least of the things

that are listed in the scroll without more detail.

It talks about the courtyard of the temple.

Well, we know where that was.

Of course, in ancient times,

it would have been possible to locate things in it.

We can't because it no longer exists.

So, these were recognizable, like,

landmarks for a person of the time.

They were not as obscure as some other clues.

Do you think there's any practical way to go and find it,

or do you think that too much time has passed

and that we don't have enough landmarks to work off of?

I think it will maybe someday be discovered,

but it will be by accident.

But some of them could have been found with the detail

we have in the scroll.

Not everything is obscure.

For example, some of the materials

are said to be hidden in caves,

and we're still exploring those judean caves.

Not all of them have been fully explored,

and there's stuff to be found.

Even in the last few years,

we found new things in some of the caves,

so some of it may still be out there to be found.

Listen, thank you so much

for taking the time to speak with me.

I really appreciate it, doctor. Thank you.

I enjoyed it. All the best.

Well, when we come back, we'll show you exclusive footage

form our time as guests among the bedouins,

including a nose-to-tail meal that gave me a real eyeful.

Oh.

Come on. Okay.

Eye, eye, eye.

And later on, dr. Oren gutfeld will return,

and we'll reveal what the gpr scan of the hyrcania tunnels

told us about the treasure of the copper scroll.

It does look like there's something there.

Gutfeld: Yeah.

Stick around.

♪

welcome back to "after the hunt"

coming to you from "exu" headquarters.

I'm joined here by the "expedition unknown"

field crew -- evan b. Stone, brian weed,

and tom quinn.

We're talking about our search

for the treasure of the copper scroll.

Now our trip to the middle east was,

even by "exu" standards, a logistical challenge.

We had to move people and gear across a border that,

well, isn't the easiest one to get across in the world.

And once we got into the desert,

there weren't a whole lot of options for places to stay.

Although, we did have the bedouin camp

which felt like we were sleeping on a pile of rocks

because, well, we were.

So let's talk about the bedouin camp.

Where would you put that on your ranking of "exu" accommodations?

I'd put it on a 4. 4 out of 10?

Yeah. You've had worse.

Oh, come on. Oh, we definitely had worse.

The bedding was, like, beyond dusty.

Right. You go like this

and it's, "oof!"

and outline of the blanket stays in the air

and just hangs there.

Exactly. Right.

And the only thing I don't like about sleeping in places like

that where you've got this totally open-sided tent

in the desert is you just start thinking

about snakes and scorpions and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, there is no protection from the outside world.

You say that like we've never been afraid

of snakes and scorpions in some of the hotels we've stayed at.

That's true, that's true, actually.

We've stayed at some real dives.

You didn't need an alarm clock in the morning

'cause you had a herd of goats

that kind of did that job for you.

Right. They just came in to camp.

My mouth tastes like goat and sand,

but other than that, I'm great.

I have to say, though, for all of the kind of eccentricities

of sleeping out in a bedouin camp,

there are some amazing upsides to it, as well.

You can't really get a better blanket of stars

than being out in the middle of the desert.

I mean, it is stunning.

And it wasn't just a spectacular view,

the bedouins were also kind enough to feed us.

You get to see some of the meal during tonight's episode,

but god help me, there's more.

Just so much more.

Roll it.

Oh, my word, look at this.

Wow.

It's goat.

So good.

It's looking at me, but it's excellent.

It is traditional to give the guest tongue.

Uh-huh.

Okay, I don't usually do that on the first date.

Thank you very much, appreciate it.

It's good. Yeah.

It's really good. Yeah.

You never forget the first time you get tongue from a goat.

What else you got?

The cheek meat.

Cheek meat.

Also terrific.

Just don't give me any lip.

Eh, that wouldn't -- believe me,

that's not funny in english either.

How about the eye, do you eat the eye?

Do you want to eat?

Uhh. Aah.

Oh. Oh, come on.

Come on.

Get out of town with that.

Okay, here we go.

Okay. Eye, eye, eye.

Mm.

That's not as good.

That's not as good as the tongue.

"eye" am not a huge fan of that.

Ugh. That's...

Mm. That's full of textures.

How does that taste?

How is it?

Yeah.

It's great. It's very good.

Doc, the great thing about a goat is it has two eyeballs.

Yeah. And so what?

I'm just saying the other one's up for grabs, if you want it.

Oh, man.

What's he saying?

For my health? Your health.

Yes, my health and my poor stomach.

Oh, the -- I've got to tell you, a long time ago,

I got over any squeamishness

about eating the face of an animal.

And I have to say, a lot of the meat actually in the cheeks

and parts of the face, it's delicious.

Yeah.

But the tongue and the eyeball, oh, it's bad.

Ugh.

But it's like the eye is the delicacy for the guest and,

"please, here eat this." yeah.

What are you gonna do? Red flag, delicacy.

It's true, actually, right?

You never see them eating it.

Absolutely, delicacies are always the stuff people ate

when there was no other food to eat at the time.

And now it's something special that you have to eat.

Exactly.

What's the weirdest thing you ever eaten?

Bull penis.

Bull penis. I remember that.

That was in egypt. Yeah.

Tom, what's the strangest thing you've ever eaten?

I've also had the sheep eye experience.

When I bit into it, it was liquid

and it just kind of of went, "gush."

ugh. And I can taste it to this day.

You know, I got to say, special mention also goes out

to the fermented horse milk that we had.

-Ugh. -Warm.

Gates: It's like fuzzy milk.

Good? Ooh, you can never untaste that.

Yeah. That was tough.

While I have you all here, let me just say

how much I appreciate all of you out on the road.

It's hard work.

These guys are out there hundreds of days a year,

and they come out of it unscathed...

Usually. Slightly scathed.

Tom, let's talk about your trip to the caves in qumran

where we were looking for the dead sea scrolls.

Right.

We were in the cave, we were filming,

and then suddenly, I turned around

and you had blood pouring down your face.

It was like "carrie." it was like...

What the hell happened to you?

I turned around to grab a bottle of water,

and suddenly it was like "bong,"

I hit the roof of the cave, one of the sharp rocks up there.

Anytime you cut your face, it bleeds a lot,

but you just had blood streaming down your face.

I think we have a photo. There he is.

This is after part of the cleanup.

Tom looking upset with himself.

I think your pride was wounded more than your head.

Yes, a lot more. And then...

Oh, no. ...The icing on the cake --

this situation with your ears.

Walk me through this, I honestly don't even get this.

We went out one night in jerusalem to,

like, one of the main hangouts,

and there's all these bars lined up and everything.

And our group sits down right in front of this bar

with a speaker right there blasting right in our faces.

So, I grabbed a piece of napkin and chewed on it

and put a little knot in each ear to sort of cushion

the sound. Unfortunately, one of them went

in just a little too deep, and I had to get some help.

One of our crew was brave enough to get in there and fish it out.

And fortunately for you, we had a camera with us.

-One person... -Can I have these real quick?

One person -- I need them, I need them.

Hold on, hold on! No, let me do it.

Tom, stop, stop, stop.

It's about to be out.

All right.

Man: How long were these in here?

Yes. Yes!

Oh, you got it.

Oh! Never do that again.

What just happened?

First of all, that was one of our tech guys, ben.

Where did he get the tweezers from?

We were doing hookahs, and there was --

oh, like they use for the coals.

-Yes. -Exactly.

So, that was a filthy, coal-covered hookah tweezer.

Well, it was sterile, because

it had been handling hot coals all day.

You tell yourself that.

No, no, really. It was.

Hey, did you get a bill from ben for the surgery?

Yeah, I owed him a drink at least.

Exactly.

Well, tom, in honor of your sacrifice,

I'd like to present you with this.

Oh.

It's the first annual danny dismount award.

The danny dismount is of course

named after our oft-injured drone pilot

and tech manager, danny.

Gates: You okay?

No, I just feel dizzy all of a sudden, like, really queasy.

Ooh. You okay?

Yeah, I'm fine.

Ow! Ow.

I just sat on a thorn bush.

Let's get those out of there.

You got a couple more in there.

That's as deep as I'm willing to go.

That's danny.

So, here you go, tom, may you never win this again.

Congratulations. Wow.

I want to thank all of the coordinated people in the world

for this wonderful award. Thank you.

You've got it. You're welcome.

We're gonna take a brief break, but when we come back,

dr. Oren gutfeld will be back,

and we'll reveal what the gpr showed

down in the tunnels of hyrcania.

Plus, we'll look at the future of the dead sea.

Here's a hint -- I'd go now while you still can.

Stay tuned.

♪

well, you're back at "expedition unknown" headquarters,

and since we're solving the puzzles of the copper scroll.

Here's a little quiz to keep my crew and you at home sharp.

Which of these american cities

does not share its name with another city in the middle east?

"a" philadelphia, "b" cairo, "c" memphis, or "d" lebanon.

Evan b. Stone. Philadelphia.

I mean, that's american.

Brian, what do you say?

I'm gonna go with philly. Okay.

Tom, you gonna go with philly, make it a sweep?

No, I'm gonna go with lebanon,

because lebanon's a country not a city.

Smart cookie.

The correct answer is "d" lebanon.

Philadelphia, in fact, was the ancient name of amman, jordan.

The town of cairo, or as they pronounce it

"kay-roh," illinois,

is, of course, named after cairo, egypt.

And memphis, tennessee,

is named for the ancient egyptian capital.

But lebanon, of which there are 12 u.S. Cities

with that name, does not have

a middle eastern counterpart city,

only a country.

Nice work, tom.

Thank you.

♪

welcome back one last time to "expedition unknown"

headquarters and "after the hunt."

I'm here with the "exu" crew and once again archeologist,

dr. Oren gutfeld, who has been our guy

to all things dead sea scrolls,

including a search for the treasure listed

in the unique copper scroll.

So, in the tunnels beneath the ruined fortress of hyrcania,

we performed a gpr scan, a ground-penetrating radar scan,

to see if there were any hidden cavities or chambers.

Let's take a look now at what the scan revealed.

Check it out.

As I see in the middle of the section,

about 5 to 6 meters, we have strong reflections.

Ooh, yeah, uh-huh, we have something in the middle

of the section here... Here?

...Between 5 to 6 meters.

What is that? You see?

Could that be a space in the wall?

Space in the wall, yes.

So, the question is is that something real,

or are we just looking at some naturally

occurring thing in the wall?

Yes. We'll have to check it again.

Okay. We'll check again.

We'll do another core section and see.

Okay. Maybe the wall, yes.

All right. Rack it up again, here we go.

Let's do it.

♪

okay. So, what do we got?

We do see a small void in the beginning of the section.

The width is about 40 centimeters

and the depth is about 30 centimeters.

So, not a room full of gold or silver.

Not yet.

Not the treasure of the copper scroll.

So, pretty compelling hit on the gpr.

This is really the promising,

but also frustrating thing about gpr

is that it can yield incredible results,

but it also yields a lot of false positives.

Right.

Okay.

Let's talk about the part of the second tunnel

we couldn't get to, because it was flooded.

Normally, I would jump into creepy water like that

and see if I could swim through.

Me, too. Not this time.

No, it didn't feel good down there.

It felt like that was water you didn't --

like, you put your hand in and then just a skeleton

comes out, you know? It's like acid.

It had a really special odor, too.

Yes. It's not very inviting.

If you took that water and put it

in a petri dish, it would be like, "rrrr."

you know, it would be, like, just weird things in there,

and it's just like -- exactly.

So, the big question is, how far back does that go?

We need to wait until the summer so the water will evaporate

and then we'll be able to continue the excavation

and to find out.

And if the treasure of the copper scrolls

are sitting back there...

I'll tell you. ...You'll call me...

-First. -...First, before anybody else.

You call us.

Listen, before you go, there's one last thing

that I want to talk about

and that maybe folks at home aren't really that aware of,

and it's about the dead sea itself.

The dead sea is kind of in trouble.

Gutfeld: The dead sea is dying.

It's evaporating and disappearing,

mainly because we're using most of the fresh water

that goes into the dead sea.

But it's because of us, yes.

What's the projection for how long until it fully evaporates?

It's reduced about 40 meters a year.

So, within a few generations, it could go away.

It could go away, especially the southern part of the dead sea.

The dead sea, today, is not one sea,

it's divided into two lakes.

The southern lakes is only 9 feet deep, that's it.

Wow.

And it's going to disappear soon.

And so how has that affected archeology in the region?

Well, that's the good part of it,

because the survey of the three conducted

on the shores of the dead sea,

we found remains to some seaports

that were used during the second temple period

and especially by herod the great.

Can the dead sea be saved?

Well, I don't know, I'm an archeologist,

not specialist for that, but I hope so.

There are some plans to recover the dead sea.

It is a huge tourist attraction in israel,

lots of folks go to the dead sea.

The mud of the dead sea very famous

for its curative properties.

We actually have a few photos of us here along the dead sea

that I think we should take a quick look at.

Look at this guy. Gutfeld: Wow.

There's brian weed. Weed: Look at...

I mean, looking great. Well, you know.

Brian, that's from the men

of the dead sea calendar right there.

Mr. January, look at that.

That's right. And we've also got...

Oh, evan.

Oh, evan. A very -- this is like

one of those pregnancy portraits that you see.

Stone: Yeah. What was going on here?

It looks like I'm sleeping, but I'm not,

I'm actually meditating.

And then tom quinn.

Doesn't matter how hot it is or how much mud you get on tom,

that hair doesn't change.

Yeah. It doesn't.

It's like lego hair.

The italian hair, what can I tell you?

It's like lego hair, look at it.

It's perfect.

And finally, we've got -- the gang's all there.

-There is is. -Look at that.

Mud rats. Yeah, looking good.

The necklace still there. And there you have it,

the men of the dead sea scrolls calendar.

We'll be selling that very soon, actually.

And that brings us to the end of "after the hunt."

I'd like to thank my crew, as well as dr. Oren gutfeld,

for joining us tonight.

Thank you so much for spending time with us.

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Thank you for having me.

Of course, thanks for being here.

And most of all, thanks to you at home for tuning in.

The hunt for the dead sea scrolls is far from over.

More discoveries lie hidden in the desert,

and we'll be back to document them, I'm sure.

Thanks, everyone.

And we'll see you next time on "expedition unknown."