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I did a documentary today with this guy, Louis Theroux.

Um, that took a majority of the day.

I don't know who he is, but apparently, he's a respected documentarian.

Do you guys know who this is?

Louis Theroux.

Oh shit.

Is he gonna do a hit piece on me?

I don't know what Louis's move is, but everyone's telling me

he goes out of his way to try to fuck people.

So, I didn't really know that. I think I handled it well so far.

"Louis Theroux is gonna be a full-on hit piece."

Probably, mate.

"Myron, you know this Brit cuck is going to make a hit piece?"

"He's so woke, his wife makes him pee sitting down."

He's like… "What do you think Sneako's message is?"

Do I sound like that?

A little bit.

A man who's not dangerous will never be seen as successful.

You can't be a little bitch.

Men against women. It's attack on masculinity.

If your bitch is going to a club when you said no…

-I agree. -…destroy her fucking life.

A few years ago,

I noticed that parts of the Internet were being taken over…

Yo, a lot of you need to wake up! Wake up!

…by a collection of male influencers.

We're like the last stand

against this fucking bullshit that's going on.

They claimed to be giving young men

the cheat codes to win at life.

I made £6,000 before I got out of bed this morning.

They had millions of followers.

-Top G. -Fuck the women!

-What? -All gays should die!

-Fuck gays! -What have I done?

They boasted about having access at the highest levels of power.

Donald Trump is the future of the Western world.

And he's a good friend of mine. I'm gonna help him.

I became curious why some of them held

such extreme beliefs.

There is a war on men being strong.

And whether they really were what they seemed.

I've now personally fucked 2,000 women, which is quite an accomplishment.

They were deeply mistrustful of mainstream media,

but after months of effort,

I'd managed to find a way inside the new world of men

who were redefining what it means to be a man.

-Hey, we're looking for Harrison. -He's through here.

-Can we come in? -Uh, one second. One second.

Early 2025…

-Here he is. -Hello, hello.

…after protracted negotiations, I'd arranged two days of filming

with an influencer named Harrison Sullivan.

-Permission to come aboard? -You've got some big cameras.

Of course we do. We're the real deal.

We're not YouTubers.

-How are you doing? -Okay. Okay, then.

-I like your setup. -Professional videographer.

-Are we content sharing? Filming. -We are. We are, indeed.

-We have cameras. -Are you live?

-No. -No.

-Are we all right to go in? -100%, man.

-Should we go in? Yeah. -100%.

So, this is my dishwasher over here.

-My cleaner. -I'm not the dishwasher.

-Say hello. This is going on Netflix. -Nice to meet you.

-Louis. What's your name? -Kacey.

-I think I've seen you on the socials. -Have you?

Yeah, there was a clip you put up. Do you do TikTok? What's your platform?

Yeah, a little bit. It's kacey._may on TikTok.

-Yeah, I like that. -Who else have we got?

I'm… I'm known as The Naarn Slayer.

And the reason I'm here is 'cause Harrison chose me.

-I was a fan, and I got flown out here. -Are you part of the team?

-I'm part of the team. -What do you do?

I also won the Range Rover giveaway that Harrison did on YouTube.

-Who else have we got? -I've got close protection.

Who's that?

Oh!

Okay.

What the fuck are you doing with your life?

I'm waking up, my two-grand-a-night villa, out in Ibiza,

living the fucking life.

Harrison streams under the name HSTikkyTokky.

Right, where's the muff at?

Just 23, he's famous for his offensive content…

My name's Dora.

Dora, Dora. Okay. Okay. My name's "Sung-min."

…and for showing off his riches and physical prowess online.

Lambo, B! Come on!

Encouraging his fans to reject the system,

which he calls the matrix, and follow him.

Police in Surrey have launched an appeal to find Harrison Sullivan,

also known as HSTikkyTokky.

The 23-year-old is…

Since fleeing a car crash, he'd been on the run,

but remained massively popular with his millions of followers,

posting a constant stream of content, much of it featuring female influencers.

What is your favorite thing about me?

Your money.

Oh my God. Wow.

Most people would know you as a content creator.

What would you say is the message?

I… I coach boys how to be fucking boys, how to make money, be outside the system,

how to not have a boss telling you what to do.

I teach guys to be proper guys, not these little soy boys,

little gimps that walk around in the modern day.

Would you see me that way?

Um…

I'm not sure. I'd have to see how… what your skills are.

Did you look at my arms?

Well, I just sort of checked your… your… your stature out.

-Did you? -Yeah, yeah.

-Go on. -The stature's not saying too much.

-Do you wanna get to the gym? -Yeah, let's go. Definitely.

All right, boys, so we're in the gym,

filming a, uh, gym workout.

Let's go.

Now, this is a sick gym. Training outside, it's, like… it's nice.

Very nice. I like to start… I normally train earlier in the day.

I like to start my day working out, doing hard things.

-Who are you talking to? -What? Do I not talk to them?

-Not really. -Talk to you?

We're not on social media now. This is a real documentary.

This is TV. This is the, uh, level up from that.

Sorry. I forgot, mate. I'm used to my mere social media life.

-We just pretend those aren't there. -Fair enough.

So, I'm used to training first thing in the morning.

-Every day? -Every day.

Do you do a leg day?

Yeah. Can you tell?

Yeah. Silly question, that. Innit, mate?

Calves need a little work.

They do. They do.

HS's content on TikTok and Instagram is a gateway

to a second level of social media, his Telegram group,

where he has over half a million followers.

Listen, if you wanna see the behind the scenes,

the shit I cannot put on YouTube 'cause it's too loose,

get inside my Telegram.

Here, there are links to the accounts of X-rated performers

on the subscription-based platform OnlyFans.

As well as content of scantily clad women, there are also appeals to sign up to apps

that offer financial services, where you can follow HS's trading tips.

I've just got in the apartment. £10,000 in an hour and a half.

What more do you need to see, you idiots?

He regularly posts videos to his Telegram

about his supposed financial success and the way to achieve it.

In both cases, HS takes a cut of the income.

Don't hesitate. Don't wait. You can be making hundreds of pounds today,

or you can still be doing the same bullshit that you do.

Send a message now. Let's go.

I'm not gonna stop at small scale.

By the time I'm, you know, your age,

I'd like to have a hundreds of millions valuated company, you know?

Maybe even in the billions.

Do you manage OnlyFans girls?

I don't personally manage them, but I bought an agency that does.

Do I agree with it? No.

Would I profit off it? Yeah.

I'm a businessman, man. I'm not doing it for fucking fun.

Not what my daughter will be involved with.

-I'd disown my daughter. Like, then… -Would you?

-To say the least. -If she done something like that?

-That's easy to say. -It disgusts me.

-Same way if my son come out gay. -What, seriously?

Being gay nowadays is considered quite normal.

-Not my son. -Why?

Just not my son, innit?

To say, like, you'd disown him, that's a big statement.

Did your values come from your mum, mainly?

No, my mum's very… My mum's different.

My mum would be disappointed that I said that.

-Really? -Yeah. She hates racism.

She hates, like, homophobia.

-Sexism? -Sexism? She hates sexism.

She hates all that shit. So if I was like, uh…

Like, the women cleaning and that. I wouldn't say that around my mum.

-Really? -I'd get a slap.

-Go in the garden? Show you? -Sure. Why not?

It's a nice, nice base.

How did you come up?

So, I was at university. I was with my friend Ed.

We were just trying to make content

and trying to think of a way how we could make money.

I went from zero to making about £1,000 a day overnight.

-On what? -Fitness plans, fitness programs.

Made £1,000 a day. Within two weeks, I was like,

"Right, I'm gonna go to Marbella and try and stream and become big."

£1,000 to £3,000 a day, and then it just went up.

-That's what it was. -You were a salesman at that point?

I've always been a salesman. I'm a salesman now.

Sales is the most important skill you can have.

You're never gonna be ultra-successful if you can't sell.

But there was a time when you were putting out

cheeky content that was going viral.

-How does that fit into the picture? -That's content.

We live in an attention economy. So that gets attention.

And with the attention, I can get more fame, monetize.

-And monetize the fame. -Yes, exactly.

Does the term "matrix" mean anything to you?

The system, higher powers,

the colluding powers at the top of the world

that want to keep everyone down, broke, keep the slave mindset going.

-That's what that means to me. -Is that real?

'Course it's real. 'Course it's real.

The people at the top of the world, why would they want people below them

to make a load of money and not serve them?

It doesn't make sense.

It was the next day,

and a clip that someone on HS's team had posted

of me filming him had gone viral.

"Netflix, coming soon. Very interesting discussions with Louis."

"Will be interested to see how he tries to rip me,

considering the numbers and evidence shown

to support my business and network are monumental."

The comments were mainly scathing, about him and his financial products.

I hoped they wouldn't worry HS too much.

-All right? -How are you doing?

-Hello. -Hi, Sam. Hi, Harrison. How are you doing?

-How are you? -No need to get up. Thank you.

Hi.

Another shot.

That was outside.

-How are you doing? -Pretty good.

I went to bed late 'cause I was out getting content last night.

Got a video of me getting sucked off

in the toilet of a club here if you wanna see that.

-No, you didn't. -Bet you'd like to see that.

Did he?

-This happened? -Last night, today, 1:20.

What's the location?

-The toilet. -Up the strip.

-Did she know she was being filmed? -Of course she did, yeah.

-And she didn't mind? -Didn't mind.

What's that all about?

Clout.

Why does that help her to be seen to be giving you a blowjob?

I don't know why it may help her.

You know, you'd have to ask her.

We're on the 'gram now.

There I am, announcing a Netflix documentary.

Yeah. I saw it. It's gone up 300K views.

The comment was along the lines of, "Documentary following me around."

"They might be trying to rip me. We'll see."

"Interested to see how it turns out."

Yeah, I'm actually… I'm very interested to see.

-Mm. -Me too.

Very.

Yeah.

Are you all right? You got funny energy today.

-So do you. -Do I?

The plan for the day was to join HS

as he did live streams around Marbella and maybe see a yacht party.

-All right? -Nice to meet you.

First, we connected with his friend, Ed Matthews,

who'd just flown in from London.

-Hello. -What's happening, brother?

-How long you been here? -Just got here.

-Fucking hell. Be careful. -Good to see you. The boys are back.

Be careful of this fella, mate.

He looks nice. He looks like he's a friend.

-He's trying to turn the tables now. -The evil smile.

-"The evil…"? -"The evil," that's a bit strong.

-That is very, very strong, mate. -The evil smile, mate.

All right, boys, we're gonna test out the punch machine.

Show you how it's done, mate.

Ed came up making videos for TikTok and YouTube

as a kind of Robin to HS's Batman.

All right. We're about to drop some game on the beach.

-These two with their boyfriends. -All right.

Get it on film. They're with their boyfriends.

We're actually finding the most tartiest outfits.

I think you're competing, darling.

His content combined fitness, online flirting, and conspiracy theories.

Aliens definitely helped build the pyramids

by the way they're aligned with the stars, yeah?

They might come for me if I start talking about this shit.

We're two minutes away from his house. We're gonna sting him right now.

Recently, he'd been livestreaming doing so-called "predator stings."

We've got the fuck-off microphone.

So, if he ain't answering 'cause he's scared,

I'll shout down his fucking door!

There's no escaping Ed Matty, bruv.

He would confront and humiliate people

he accused of being predators.

Who's the next predator? I can't lie. This one's gonna be madder than that one.

In several recent encounters, Ed forced them to eat pet food.

Go on. Get that down you, mate.

Good fucking boy.

And how does the humiliation help?

Just… because this will… this will last forever.

And they'll always…

So this is worse than going to jail, I reckon.

Is that a paedo?

Did you hear that? "Is that a paedo?"

No. This is Louis Theroux, mate. Not a paedo.

Thank you. Appreciate that.

Just so they know you're not getting stung right now.

By now, HS was keeping himself scarce,

possibly troubled by the comments that had come in,

saying he'd be exposed in my documentary.

You all right, girls? Having a good night?

The plan for a yacht party had gone out the window,

so instead, we joined Ed

while he chatted up girls on the streets of Marbella.

You all right, darling? Having a good night?

My dad is a 50-year-old virgin.

-I'm looking for a bit of dark chocolate. -So, come to my lodge.

Yeah? You like white chocolate, then, yeah?

The aim for content like this is that short clips get shared and go viral.

You want my Instagram, or you want my Instagram? What one?

Both at the same time?

Trio?

Everywhere Ed went, he was approached by young fans.

-Where you guys from? -Iceland!

-Iceland, yeah? -Yeah!

-Ed, you're the king. You're the king. -I love that.

-How long have you been doing YouTube? -Like two weeks. Just started.

-Really? -You're one of my inspirations.

-Well, good luck. -Whose mother is that?

-She's mine. -Is she single?

-No, fuck off. -She's not single.

Oh, all right. Have a good day.

Now, that was uncalled for.

Sometimes I drop game, and I think, "There was no need for that."

At the end of the night, I managed to grab a final moment with HS.

So, I've just had a important call.

I need to go to Dubai in the morning. But it's been a pleasure meeting you.

-Are we good? For real? -We're good. Of course we're good.

'Cause sometimes I'm not too sure.

It's a shame I couldn't stay out later, but I need to sleep.

-See you later. -Thanks a lot. See you later.

-See you later. -See you later.

See you later, OC, yeah?

All right.

A lot of you people on TikTok are saying,

"Oh, Louis Theroux's gonna finish you in this documentary."

In the days after I left HS, he seemed to brood on our encounter.

I was struck by his level of suspicion.

Maybe that's his game, to act like he's your mate and then just fuck you.

You know, it probably is.

But I was also curious

about this strange new world he seemed to embody,

using extreme content with global reach to sell products.

If you're watching this, and you wanna level your life up,

you wanna be free, send a message to the app below right now.

I looked into his investment group.

The broker firms he promoted received terrible reviews.

Don't ever say that I'm a scammer. Don't ever say…

HS takes a cut of whatever you put in,

even if you lose money.

…and I show you.

I opened an account and put in £500.

I'd been learning about his ideological forefathers,

the community of ultra-masculine influencers

sometimes called the manosphere.

And so I'd come to its spiritual home, Miami.

Much of the manosphere is made up

of relatively uncontroversial comedians and podcasters

who broadcast about women, fitness, and wealth to a mainly male audience.

But at its edges is a community of more extreme content creators.

It was this world and its motivations I was most intrigued by.

Gentlemen, how are you guys doing?

-How are you? -Good to see you.

-Louis. Nice to meet you. -Justin Waller. Very nice.

-Thanks. You look like a million bucks. -Ah.

Maybe half a million. Maybe half.

Justin Waller is a businessman

and success coach from Baton Rouge, Louisiana,

with more than a million followers on Instagram.

I give the best advice I can possibly give to young men.

Women aren't as feminist as you think.

You think she won't leave you for that buff dude? Promise you she will.

Most women don't know what they want, and I don't think it's their fault.

He shares pictures of himself in sharp, tailored suits

with big muscles and expensive watches.

This, in turn, funnels his fans to business-advice products.

In his media appearances,

he often mentions his lifestyle of romance with multiple partners.

I love women. Let me be clear about this.

In fact, I have quite the reputation for loving 'em too much.

Yeah!

Nice. Very nice.

Okay, but let me be very clear about it. That car is not success. I wanna say that.

-Mm-hmm. -That car… Fuck that car.

I might be an asshole in some areas,

or people might not agree with some views I have,

but I'm not so foolish to believe that's success.

-So let's not make too big a thing of it. -Just on the record.

-I got it. Thank you. -'Cause I don't. That's all. Yes, sir.

I've left my phone upstairs.

-Wanna come with me? -Why not?

-My girl. -Hi.

Wow, this is a nice spot.

-Beautiful at dusk. -I bet.

Yeah. Beautiful at dusk.

But this is my small place.

This is kinda where I go to get away and do all my work.

My kids and everybody, they're in Aventura.

-It's very friendly-friendly. -Mm-hm.

Family-friendly.

-So, how many kids have you got? -I've got… I've got some.

Yeah.

-You know how many you've got, right? -Yeah. I think so.

What's the number?

It's two. I have two. Yeah, I got two little girls.

-Are you with their mum? -Yes.

-Yeah. -Absolutely. Yeah.

-Are you married? -No.

I'm gonna get smoke for this. I always do.

Everybody gets mad when they ask about my relationship.

Are you saying you're not in a monogamous relationship?

-One-sided monogamy. Yeah. -Mm-hmm.

Women don't wanna sleep with other men when they love a man.

One-sided monogamy means what?

It means like…

See, here we go. Here we go. Setting me up.

My… The mother of my children, the woman that I'm with,

she doesn't talk to other men.

So…

Stings, huh?

-You seem upset by it. -It doesn't sting.

You seem upset by it. People get so upset about this.

It's interesting you thought I was upset. I just thought it was a resonant moment.

I notice that people get very angry with me about this subject.

-Do I seem angry? -No, but you do seem to be digging.

So…

-We gotta get into some real stuff, right? -We should.

-Yeah. -Yeah.

Let me tell you another thing. I don't promote it.

I don't believe that every man should go out and have a bunch of women

or have his wife have threesomes with his girlfriends.

-Now-- -Is that something you do as well?

Yeah, of course. I'm hiding nothing.

I refuse to. I refuse to.

I refuse to.

You've made the right decision.

The Real World is the number one school in the world.

Justin also has a Telegram group where he sells subscriptions

to a so-called online university, The Real World,

set up by his close friends,

the infamous brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate,

who have been charged with human trafficking offenses in Romania

but deny the charges.

In the Real World, you learn to make money.

We have 18 professors that are absolutely multimillionaires

in the business they're teaching you in real time.

It's like a cheat code.

A 14-year-old kid made three grand the other day.

I cannot believe this 13-year-old is making more money than his parents.

-I'm in the Telegram group. -Nice.

It says, "Join now."

"Jointherealworld.com."

So, if people click on it and sign up, how much are they gonna pay?

-It's like $50-- -$49 a month. $49.99 a month.

And then you get a small sign-up fee? That's part of the model.

Yes, sir.

How had you heard about them? How had you heard--

YouTube. I saw Andrew on YouTube.

I remember laughing so hard and punching my steering wheel,

and there's a little dent in the Ford logo,

because he was saying things I'd been saying to people for a long time.

Things like what?

A lot of people believe

that men and women want to be equal partners in a relationship.

That's really not true.

You wanna be the hero, the person that saves the day,

that creates a life for them better than any life they could ever have.

I want to go get a tea anyway in Wynwood.

-Yeah, let's do that. -All right, cool.

Justin! Justin! Justin!

What's up?

-Doing all right? -All right?

-How you doing? -Good.

-Thanks, G. -Nice.

-Going for a ride? -I'm down.

Let's do it.

What you doing, playboy?

Like HS, Justin was attempting to leverage his online notoriety

and a parasocial connection with his male fans…

Take it straight.

…into a marketing opportunity.

-Appreciate it, man. Thank you. -You wanna sit and have tea?

-Definitely. -Right.

Can I say hi?

-Matthew. -Matthew.

-Chris. Yeah. -Chris. Louis.

-How do you know Justin? -I see his videos.

-He's one of my greatest role models. -Yeah.

-You teach a lot of… -100%. Him, Andrew Tate.

-Andrew Tate, yeah. -Tristan Tate, the brothers…

They're all… They're all a big inspiration to all of us.

What's the message? What do you get from it?

I just think it's to never give up.

Life as a man, you're born without value. We have to build that value.

What do you mean, life as a man, you're born without value?

It's…

Nothing in the world is given to you.

-You have to work for every penny. -100%.

-Do women have it hard? -I think…

-They're born with value through beauty. -Exactly.

Because a woman can be stunningly beautiful at 20 years old

and get invited to ride in that car, or onto a boat,

or be flying to Miami or whatever because it's pure beauty.

Nobody's gonna invite him on a trip to Miami.

They're not gonna fly him out.

He has to create value in the world. He has to be valuable to other men.

-Exactly. -Otherwise, nobody cares.

-Exactly. You said it. -And that's a fact.

I wanna say to your face, thank you so much. Like…

For me, you're one of my biggest role models, man.

Two things I tell anybody that stops me. Number one, I love you.

-Yeah. -Appreciate it.

And there's nothing in this world you can't do.

We're in this shit together.

I get stopped every day by a young man that tells me that I changed his life.

The content put out by Justin and his peers

pushes an ideology known as the red pill.

And you see the amount of bullshit the modern Western man has to put up with?

They take the phrase from the movie The Matrix.

What is the red pill? Can you explain this to me?

It's seeing the truth for what it really is.

Claiming to have seen through the mainstream media's brainwashing

about gender relations and its discrimination against men.

Red pill aware. This is what it is.

The red pill is a necessary antidote and counterweight to feminism.

In the unregulated new media landscape,

they share their unfiltered views on hundreds of podcasts,

which are clipped up and disseminated across the internet.

Those stories are always there.

I was on my way to an appointment with one of its most notorious figures,

Amrou Fudl.

You are born with your value. We must create our value.

How are we born with our value?

You literally have a vagina and titties. You are born with value.

Like, you're dead!

A former agent for the Department of Homeland Security,

about five years ago, he took to streaming and podcasting

under the name Myron Gaines, amassing a huge following.

I don't think women should vote.

I don't think women should be in the military or law enforcement.

Like Justin, he boasts

about his one-way monogamous relationship with his girlfriend.

I do what the **** I wanna do. She's loyal to me.

It's monogamous on her end, open on my end.

She packs my ******* condoms when I travel. That's how real it is.

-How you doing? Nice to meet you. Louis. -Nice to meet you.

-Myron, right? -Nice to meet you.

Myron tends to be suspicious of mainstream media,

but after lengthy access conversations, he'd agreed to meet me at his apartment.

-Here we go. -Yeah, right here.

Welcome to the headquarters, gentlemen. This is where we do all the filming.

Where do you actually live live, though?

If you're actually just gonna chill with your girlfriend and watch TV?

I got my stuff back over there.

-Are we allowed in there? -I got my room.

Once she comes and cleans, I'll show you guys.

-All right. -She's gonna come and clean.

-Wait, can I set up real quick? I wanna… -Please.

Recording on my end, but I'm not gonna do anything with it.

-That's fine. -Great.

Is that insurance for you?

Well, here's the thing. When you're controversial,

people try to make hit pieces on you.

This is kind of a big reason why the mainstream media has lost credibility

is because of this disingenuine reporting on individuals.

Got it. Um…

Knowing I was gonna see you today, I sort of went through

some of the more controversial content that you've put out.

-Sure. -Over the last couple years, let's say.

Would you be all right talking about some of that

if I mentioned a few things that, if I'm honest, I was shocked by?

-Sure. -Is that fair?

Then I'm doing my job correctly, then.

-Ready? -Yup.

Bitch, we ain't equal!

I'm the dictator. You are the subordinate.

I dictate when I want to put dick in you, bitch.

And then you dictate when the sandwiches come by my dictation.

That's how this goes.

And women love guys like this, that tell them what it is.

This isn't open to interpretation, or how you feel, or what you think.

It doesn't matter what you think!

"I dictate when I put my dick in you"?

Yeah, yeah. So, do I literally mean,

"Oh, yeah. I want to smash right now, and you're on your period."

And she's like, "I don't wanna do it now." That's fine. Obviously, you don't do it.

But I need guys to have this mindset where it's like you're the leader.

You're assertive, dominant, the dictator of the relationship.

What you say goes.

Do you… do you consider yourself a misogynist?

No, because, um, misogyny would be the hatred of women. I would argue I am…

I… I love women, and actually understand them.

So, since I understand them, I know what's best for them.

You think you know better than they do?

Yes, in many ways. Yeah. That's how women want it.

They want a guy that can lead and dominate them.

-Your girlfriend's named Angie, right? -Yeah.

And then do you have, like, a rotation of other women?

I wouldn't say a rotation, like, right now.

I do… I do want to get multiple wives, but right now,

I'm just focusing on building things up for this year, especially.

Multiple wives, really?

Oh, hey, there's Angie right there.

Should we meet Angie?

Uh, yeah. She's, uh…

Angie, can we say hi?

-Hi! -We'll keep it short, though, for her.

Hi. Louis. Nice to meet you. How do you do?

I'm doing okay. Yeah.

What attracted you to Myron?

I say to my friends and to people that always question our relationship

that Myron is somebody in front of the cameras,

but behind them is somebody else with me,

and I love him very much,

and I will love him as long as we're together.

-Come here, baby. -Yeah.

-Five stars on Yelp. -Yeah, five stars?

Yeah. Five stars on Yelp, yeah.

-Yeah. -Yeah.

But no, I'm happy to have her by my side. She's been great, really helpful.

So, one of the things we've been talking about is relations between men and women.

Myron's been quite open about the fact that he expects to be in a relationship

in which there's one-way monogamy, as he calls it.

He's allowed to basically pursue other relationships…

-So, our open relationship? -Mm-hmm. But you're not.

The women that he sleeps with,

he's just gonna be with them for a night or so or whatever,

but I don't… I don't think he sees me that way because I…

There is a reason why I've stayed so long with him.

-I don't wanna mix things up between you. -Yeah.

But we were talking about, in the future, maybe there's a world

where you would have more than one wife, right?

She understands that.

She knows that that could potentially come down in the future.

What do you say about that?

Uh, I don't know.

I mean, he has said that in the past.

Uh, I think when… I'll see when it happens.

Like, I don't know how that will work. The thing is that I think--

But it's not gonna be anytime soon because I'm just so focused on working.

-But it could happen? -It could.

You can kick it down the road only so long.

She's put two years into a relationship. If that's your long-term plan,

at some point, those two realities will collide.

That's a bridge we'll cross when we get there. Now--

What does that mean? That's so avoidant.

-It's something… You never know, man. -It's just--

You can always change your mind down the road.

Who knows? Maybe I'll say I only wanna be with one girl

'cause two would be too tough.

You've backtracked on that already?

Some people in this part of the culture, right,

who advocates for the idea of the 1% male, that ultimate masculine…

-Can you take him into the room? -Sure.

-That he's some-- -Frank, go with her. Sorry.

Also, I need… If you could clean up the room too.

-Yeah. -I need some help, yeah, with that.

Was that okay, by the way? I always feel weird like…

-No. It's cool. -It's awkward, though.

-No. I-- -What did you feel? It felt awkward.

No, not at all. No. Angie, like… She's with me--

I don't think she's as on board as you are.

-On board with what? -You know what.

-Just the idea of other ladies. -No, we've had these discussions.

-I saw a little bit of pain in her. -No.

-No, definitely. -No.

-Yes. -No.

-Definitely. Yeah. -No, no. She's fine.

You don't think if I said to her, "You would have Myron all to yourself,

would you rather have that?"

You don't think she would say, "100%, of course"?

She'd say, "Whatever makes him happy." That's what she would say.

You know, the time I do have, I spend with her if I'm with any woman.

Is that open? You've locked it.

No, I didn't.

-Thank you. -Yeah, no.

I wasn't fucking with you, though.

I'd been hoping to understand a little more about Justin

and how he came to believe what he believed.

I think a lot of people assume that I'm unhappy and I'll never know love.

-Why would they assume that? -'Cause of my views or sexual preference.

If me and my wife have a bunch of girlfriends,

or let's say three or four girlfriends,

then all of a sudden, somehow, I must not be happy.

There's a few of 'em that are die-hard, tattooing my name on 'em.

Why would they do that?

-Why would they do what? -Tattoo your name on them.

Probably 'cause they saw it on my… my wife.

I'd done some digging into Justin's background,

growing up in a small town in Louisiana.

Becoming a college football star, then founding RedIron Construction.

He leveraged his image as a steel magnate into podcast appearances.

But how much of it was exactly as described was hard to know.

My man! How y'all doing?

He'd offered to show me his main apartment,

where he lived with his other half and their two daughters.

Your wife, you prefer she's kept off-camera, correct?

-1,000%. -And the kids too.

I wanna protect my family, you know?

Like any man would wanna protect his family.

They'd all moved there a few months earlier from Baton Rouge

while Justin tried to grow his social media brand

and build contacts with Trump's inner circle.

I had dinner with Barron.

-Where? -At Mar-a-Lago.

-At Mar-a-Lago? Did you? -I met Donald that night. Yeah.

But I've been to Mar-a-Lago four or five times.

-These windows are incredible. -It's beautiful.

How much did it set you back?

-This? -Or is it a rental?

Oh no, I rent this place.

By the time I pay all the bills, 20 grand a month.

How much are you worth, would you say?

The last time I checked, it was well over 30.

-Thirty…? -Million. Yeah.

So I'm not as rich as a lot of these guys, but, you know, I'm doing okay.

You guys gotta see upstairs.

-So-- -And that's your pool down there?

Yeah.

People ask me, "Why Miami?"

And I tell 'em because, if it was 120 years ago,

I'd be on a horse on the way to California to dig for gold. It's in me. I love it.

It feels like, whether you call it the red pill community or the manosphere,

that it's seeking to maybe correct something,

to redress a change in the culture.

I believe that the world really took a swing in the wrong direction

when it comes to it being acceptable

for a man to have a masculine energy about him, to be strong.

It got called toxic.

And you mix that with feminism, and we've asked women to become men.

You know, men build… invent, build, and maintain society.

That's a fact, you know, and… and…

-Don't women do that too? -Uh, I don't… Look around.

Can you name anything that a woman has invented and built in our plain sight?

-Around here? -Nothing.

Men built all these buildings. They engineered 'em. They designed them.

Do we definitely know that?

-It is a fact. -There are many--

There's nothing wrong with that, though. That's the other point.

People think that we don't like women. I love women.

Are you okay with girls, women wanting to be

-architects, astronauts, entrepreneurs? -Absolutely. Hell, yeah.

If that's what they want.

-But you think they don't want that. -I think some of them do.

But I think, by and largely,

these women are looking for husbands and want to have families.

You're not a tall guy, and you take care of fitness,

and you have a certain reputation in your town,

and you make money, I'll be fucking damned

if you can't have one of the finest women in that town or maybe two.

Maybe you don't come to Miami and pull Miami tens,

but I'll be damned if you can't pull a couple eights or nines

in a small town in America.

And I know this 'cause I've built steel buildings

all over the fucking country.

They are there, bro.

Nothing in this world can stop you from getting what you want.

You just have to nut the fuck up and go get it.

Yeah.

-He says you just have to… -Man up.

Did he say, "Nut the fuck up"?

-Shut up and nut up. -Yeah.

-Shut up and nut up? -It's tough love.

At a Miami beach, I was with Mattie and Chris,

the two fans of Justin's I'd met at the tea place.

I was hoping to understand a little more

of what they appreciated in the manosphere content.

That mindset of Justin Waller,

it inspires young men, especially like myself,

who maybe didn't have that male figure in the house.

As a man, nobody's gonna give you a handout.

If I'm living in the street,

why am I gonna wait for somebody to fix my life

when I can fix my own life?

-This hand gesture… -Yeah.

I've seen Andrew Tate doing that in interviews. I never knew what it meant.

-It's to do with the matrix? -Yeah.

Do you know… There's a term called the matrix.

So, basically, yes, we're… we're born to… to just accept what society gives to you.

And what he promotes is saying that, no, you have to refuse it.

Refuse that, and you accomplish your own goals.

I'm going to help my mother. I'm gonna give generational wealth

to my kids, to my mother,

to my… to everybody else, and there's nothing that can hold me back.

-No 9-to-5 job is gonna give you that. -Exactly.

-That's "the matrix." -That's "the matrix," the job.

-That box. -That box.

That you're going to work every day,

and you're sacrificing a better life for you and your loved ones.

People don't want to…

They don't wanna see, like, an empowerment of men.

'Cause it's a threat.

Mattie had moved to Miami two years earlier to make it big,

but it hadn't been easy.

Come on.

Recently, he'd been homeless.

You were in your car for a while, living in your car?

Yeah. That was in the past,

but lucky enough that, uh… that God pulled me out of that.

I was feeling sorry for myself. I was like, I'm in a losing position,

and I'm crying every night.

I have no food to eat. But I could do one of two things.

Either keep complaining about my position or start thinking solutions-based.

Maybe start changing the perspective, how I see it.

Maybe… As men, we're meant to suffer. We're not meant to be happy.

We learn more in our failures than in our wins.

-And we don't believe in depression also. -Meaning?

We don't believe in it.

You know, the average person that has everything

that they need to exceed in life, yet you're still depressed,

yet you're still feeling sorry for yourself…

Like, you have the tools you need.

My brother passed away.

I had moments where I was sad,

but I tried to turn it into something positive.

-How did he die? -Um…

He… he took his own life. But what I'm saying is that's in the past.

And I have to use that,

and I have to become great, not only for myself, but for my brother.

For the first time, I felt I'd had an insight

into how the masculinist messaging offered direction and a sense of hope

to people facing difficulties.

But I was also struck by the distrust that came with it.

The idea of a matrix purposely designed to make men fail.

-How's it looking? -Looks great.

Smartest dog in Miami right here, this guy.

I'd arranged to go on Myron's podcast.

Frank, open the door.

Given it is widely viewed

as one of the most poisonous shows in the entire manosphere,

it wasn't a straightforward decision, but I'd felt it was important

to see him at work and get a sense of his audience.

-Walter. -Louis. How are you doing?

He'd taken some persuading to let me back.

He'd been unhappy about the interview with his girlfriend Angie.

If you guys want anything to drink, just ask one of the ladies.

I would be appearing on a section called Fresh&Fit AfterHours…

You understand that if you're a fat woman, you're effectively useless in life.

…where Myron and his cohost, Walter, spar with local female influencers.

-You're huge. Not attractive. -'Cause… Got it.

For you to behave the way that you do is a fucking embarrassment to society.

You fat fuckin' bitch. Get the fuck out my studio.

-Go back to your bitch-ass husband. -Let's go!

Get the fuck up outta here. You're an embarrassment.

Three, two, one.

And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to the Fresh&Fit podcast.

We're here with special guest Stirling Cooper, back in the house!

Tonight, the stream started with Myron talking to a dating coach

and penis extension expert named Stirling Cooper.

Uh, so I used to be a porn star. Started my own YouTube channel.

Started teaching guys how to fix problems in the bedroom

and how to, yeah, dick their girl down properly.

Giving her what she really wants, like, subconsciously.

Let's be honest here. Everything about female nature is a lie.

They wear makeup.

You don't know when they're on their period.

They don't really show attention to you.

With a few minutes before my segment,

I wandered off to meet the woman who books the girls for the show.

-How you doing? -Hi. Nice to meet you.

-Louis. -Louis, my name's Icy.

-Icy. -I help out with the back.

So, the girls will end up going on Fresh&Fit? On the show?

Yeah. Sometimes we'd get into fights here before when we used to serve alcohol,

and those nights weren't really pretty when the girls got into their emotions.

I'm gonna counsel me, 'cause when it comes to women…

So, like, no, my friend. You are a guy.

As we continued, Myron became aware of the conversation.

-Don't ask for nudes. Never ask for nudes. -Yeah, that's a L.

Oh, I just messed up.

Okay. Um…

You okay?

What happened? Everything all right?

Um, I don't know how to properly say this,

but I cannot answer any more questions anymore.

-Oh no. -Yeah.

-Okay. -Sorry.

That's all right.

-I appreciate you guys. -All right. No problem.

Thank you.

I'm sorry to make it awkward.

-That's no problem. -But it's not me.

I'm sorry if we've made your life, uh, difficult.

No, no, no. You didn't. You didn't. I'm just not allowed to. That's all.

Myron had seemingly shut down Icy.

Tell her to go downstairs too.

Did you find it strange that the ones that don't…

And stay down there.

But before I could find out why, it was showtime.

We're back. Welcome to Fresh&Fit podcast AfterHours edition.

If you don't mind, give us your name, your age, what you do for a living.

My name's Ruby. I'm 22. Um, I do bottle service.

My name is Giselle. I'm a full-time model currently.

Hi, I'm Caro. I model, and I do social media.

Just say OnlyFans, man.

Um, actually, no. I think I might be stopping OnlyFans.

We've got some company in the house. Louis, you wanna introduce yourself?

My name's Louis, and I make documentaries.

So, I've been spending a bit of time with Myron and getting to know him.

Am I as toxic as they say?

You know, uh, I'm waiting to make my final determination on that.

-I have a question. -Okay.

Ladies, if you don't mind, uh…

Can you name three countries?

Portugal.

-More fucking loud. -Barcelona.

Okay, what about you?

The format seemed mainly a chance to embarrass the female guests.

You want a guy that's successful, but want him to give you attention.

Absolutely. That's just me.

Can we get the calculator out, please?

This right here is the Fresh&Fit Female Delusion Calculator.

-Okay. -Height?

-Six foot. -Race?

I prefer Black. That's who I see myself with.

Minimum income per year?

Let's just do 300,000 a year.

Uh, your man meets less than 1% of the male population here.

Are you okay with staying single for the rest of your life?

You're not gonna find that.

Would you be okay with him having other women?

-Absolutely not. -You're cooked.

You guys overinflate your own sense of self-worth.

You guys think you're better than you really are.

But the reality is, all of you guys bring the same thing to the table.

'Cause men don't ask for much.

So, if you don't wanna give it to him, he'll go find a 21-year-old that will.

You know, you're talking like… 'Cause you've never been married.

There's so much more to a relationship than just the physical side of it.

But the original reason why men deal with women in the first place

is their beauty and their sexuality.

Yes and no. You may be attracted to her

because of her intelligence and her sense of humor as well.

All right. "To the slag two down from Myron,

since you cheat on every…"

For a fee, viewers could have their comments read out live on air.

Masiam. 20 bucks.

"Hey, playdough forehead two down from Myron,

just cut your losses and shut the fuck…" God damn.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Ladies, does body count matter?

Don't judge my body count, and I won't judge yours. Clean slate.

Whatever happens in the past stays in the past.

Let's go on and roll this video.

I'm a neuroscientist. Let me explain.

Studies show that women absorb and retain

the DNA of every man they've been with via sperm.

This foreign DNA has been found

in the brain, organs, and reproductive system,

but nobody talks about the consequences.

Ever wonder why some kids resemble an ex more than their father?

This is usually why.

The more men a woman has been with,

the higher the risk of negative mutations in her future children.

-Louis, what do you think? -Well, that video…

That was ridiculous.

The thing about, "Oh, you have a kid, and it resembles your previous partner"?

No one thinks that.

-Well, there has been some-- -That's insane.

There has been scientific data that reflects this

when it comes to females and parent bonding.

When they talk about misinformation on the internet,

this is what they're talking about.

I think the biggest takeaway is that…

As I was drawn into the conversation,

I realized I too was being assessed by commenters in the chat.

The anonymous posters did not hold back.

All right. Love y'all, but catch me tomorrow at 5:00 p.m.

-MyronGainesX. Later. -Peace.

After the show, I reflected on the reductiveness

of its take on gender relations,

where both women and men were only as good as their various stats,

money, height, body count.

But I also realized Myron's girlfriend Angie hadn't been at the studio.

I decided to talk to him about what the issue was.

You know, I sensed that there was a little feeling

of maybe Angie shouldn't be in the documentary,

and I just wonder what was behind that.

I decided to get into the limelight,

and I don't want her to have to deal with that.

She's on the show, isn't she? I've seen her.

-No. She doesn't come on the show. -Not anymore? I've seen her.

It's been a while. Frank, sit.

I want her to focus on being happy. She doesn't need to be in the limelight.

-Is that coming more from you or from her? -Both.

And with that, I was leaving Miami

with the inescapable sense that something in the Angie chat had bothered Myron.

That he felt he'd come across as somehow weak and insufficiently alpha.

But I was also thinking about the experience of being on Fresh&Fit

and the symbiotic relationship between Myron

and the Instagram models and OnlyFans girls that were his guests

as they used each other to raise their profiles.

It is a common tactic in the manosphere

to advocate for traditional values

while at the same time wanting to be seen with scantily clad models in bikinis.

Hiya. Pretty active at work.

I'd been thinking more about my time with HS.

He'd embodied a similar attitude, profiting from OnlyFans girls

while at the same time calling them disgusting.

All right, she's here. Get her.

An interview he'd done with the influencer Bonnie Blue,

famous for claiming to have had sex with 1,000 men in one day,

was just the latest example.

What girl is worse to idolize than this? There are other things you could've done.

I genuinely thought you'd be much more educated.

What do your parents say?

-They are proud and support me. -No, they're not.

This one is genuinely boring.

-They're not. -He's actually boring me.

Oh! Bonnie, why are you rattled?

You took your mic off, you dumb blonde. Put the mic on.

Bonnie just got fucking pressed.

It was a striking contradiction.

By now, his wariness of me had lessened,

presumably because he'd noticed his posts about the filming

were helping his social media presence.

They call me B.

-B? -Yeah.

I decided to speak to him again.

-Security? -Yeah. The best.

-How are you? -How you doing? Good to see you.

How's life?

The interview you did with Bonnie Blue was interesting.

-You saw? -It was interesting.

I think she's disgusting, bro.

I think she's absolutely repulsive as a person.

-So, why get her on the stream then? -Clout.

-Chasing her clout? -Yeah.

Views, which it did. And--

You've got 500,000 people on your Telegram, right?

-Yeah. -You're advertising OnlyFans girls there.

Yeah.

Do you think there's a contradiction there?

No, because I openly say

I don't give a fuck, and I'm doing it for money.

I don't care about…

The morality of it?

I know it's not good.

I… I say to people, "Don't watch porn. It's sad. It's loser shit."

You can't say, "I promote it, but I discourage people from doing it."

But you can, because--

-You can say it. It doesn't mean anything. -How does it not?

It's a bit like saying, "Come to the gym. I'm gonna help you work out,"

and you come in the front door, and there's a row of donuts.

Here's a box of donuts that I'm holding up to your face.

"If you eat that, you're a loser, but I'm gonna work out."

It's like, "I'm getting a mixed message."

Mm. You do what you choose.

If you wanna go and eat the donuts, eat the donuts,

but I own the donut shop.

So whether you come in the gym and pay for my PT or eat the donuts,

I make dough either way.

My kids are gonna be very, very happy, very fulfilled.

They can do what they want.

You sound a bit like Bonnie Blue.

In what way?

You're saying, "It doesn't matter what choices I make."

"I'm making money, and my kids will enjoy a high standard of living."

-"My choices are irrelevant." -Not at all.

What? Me posting a picture with girls is the same as getting shagged by 1,000 guys?

-It's rationalizing. -Don't compare me to Bonnie.

It's rationalizing.

-Are you getting triggered? -I'm not getting triggered.

I don't know why you're talking shit, mate.

Why not try and be a good person?

-In what respect? What do you mean? -Just uplift people.

Don't pander to their worst impulses.

Actually encourage them to do the right… make the right choices.

That's a good question.

If I'd just done good things,

I would never have really blown up on social media in the first place,

because me live streaming, chatting up birds, whatever,

some of them birds don't wanna be on the internet.

So if I was just thinking, "Right, I don't wanna upset anyone."

"I don't wanna do anything that's duh-duh-duh,"

I wouldn't have been where I'm at now.

And I'm not living for other people. I'm living for myself.

With his troublingly self-centered worldview

and the contradictions it entailed,

HS's latest project was House of Heat,

an OnlyFans content house,

where X-rated creators were living together and cross-promoting.

He was helping publicize their accounts on his channels

while taking a cut of any income.

-HSTikkyTokky! -Come on, bro.

-Come on, bro. My G. -Nice to meet you, man.

At a beach club by the Marbella port,

HS introduced me to one of the House of Heat models.

Louis, meet Ellie Nutts.

-Hi, Ellie. -Hi, nice to meet you.

She'd come up on TikTok as the Sexy Plasterer

with nearly 200,000 followers,

then leveraged it into an OnlyFans account.

Everyone double-tap the screen up. This is the new account. Get it moving.

Everyone spam this fucking live up.

Right now, we got Louis out here for the second time.

-'Cause he enjoyed the first time so much. -I'm not content.

-He's back out here with the crew. -I'm behind the scenes.

He is content.

What about Ellie?

I'm not forgetting Ellie. Everyone knows about Ellie, mate.

-Don't worry, Louis. -Hey, guys.

-Were you part of House of Heat? -Yeah.

One of the main people. Was it five of you?

How many will there be?

Well, I don't know. I reckon there's about…

-Me, Ellie, Lilly-- -Probably 15. Probably 15.

How well would you say you know HS?

Pretty well.

How would you describe him?

He's a genuine guy. He's funny.

Would it disappoint you if you found out that HS was very judgmental of OnlyFans

and thought it was actually disgusting?

Not really.

No. I don't care for other people's opinion

on what I'm doing for myself.

I'm comfortable in my decisions.

LD commented saying, "Louis Theroux is getting slops off the blonde."

No.

Double-tap this screen up right now.

Male audience. What can you expect?

-It's not surprising, is it? -No.

I'm just saying what the chat are saying. I've got to be entertaining the chat.

Since I'd last seen him, HS had been livestreaming more,

up to seven hours a day,

getting paid around £300 an hour if the audience was big enough,

with the pressure always on to keep them engaged.

Let's fucking start the stream.

Even so, what happened next was unexpected.

So, HS and his team have suddenly pulled off.

All right, boys, this right here is gonna be fucking interesting.

So, he's gonna pull up on this roundabout here.

Show 'em.

One of HS's minions claimed to have set up a date online

with an older man with the aim of humiliating him live on stream.

I stepped away and watched from a distance.

"W" in the chat if we should go and punch him up.

They all want him to get punched up.

Cheers, man.

-A man arrived… -My name's Harrison.

Excuse me, my friend.

…then sensing something was up, tried to leave

as HS's hangers-on kicked him and rained punches down on his head.

Enough! Enough!

Fuck!

They accused him of being a predator.

I had no way of knowing if this could be true.

Eventually, he got away.

Oi, that was so funny! Oh, he got slapped. He got slapped.

All right, don't film me. Walk the other way from me.

Walk the other way from me, bruv.

Can we go over there now?

"You're off to jail, mate." I didn't touch him.

That did not go to plan at all.

-It looked like an assault. -Yeah.

Was that not the plan?

Of course not. I've never done that in my life.

You can't just do that to a random person.

The plan's to, like, have them there, call the police. Get 'em nicked.

It was horrible.

It was like watching a mob. Like a mob attack.

You don't get to beat someone up. That's not law and order, is it?

How did it do on the stream?

Few thousand watching. 4.5K total.

So, what will happen? Will that sit up there, though?

No. I deleted it.

-Already? -Yeah. I didn't want that on the internet.

Excuse me, my friend. Wait here a second.

Despite what he'd told me, within seconds,

HS's online team had clipped up short snippets,

flooding them onto Instagram and TikTok,

emblazoned with the logo of an online gambling company.

All right, so we got Theroux and them right now coming to link us…

That night, the stream continued

with HS dropping game to random strangers at the port.

Okay, listen. You're both very pretty. Give me your Instagram.

-We'll do something. -Okay.

See you later, you German tarts.

But I was still thinking about the ugliness

of the so-called predator sting.

As the evening wore on,

I became aware of myself being pulled in and farmed for content.

All right, should I stick it on Louis?

There's some fuck shit I could say to him.

All right, look, watch this, boys.

-You got anything to say to the live? -Not really.

Someone's saying you're good friends with Jimmy Savile.

-What have you got to say for yourself? -Jimmy Savile.

Well, I helped to expose him while he was alive.

Mm.

-They're saying you're friends. -He's dead. I can't be friends with him.

You used to have freak-offs.

Anyway, on that note, let's keep it steppin'.

It's time. HS vs Mr. Bean punch bag.

That's okay. 921. 922.

-Three! -Theroux, hit one.

Gay! Gay!

What the fuck?

Hey, Theroux, is that how you'd punch

if someone was coming into your house about to attack you and your family?

Someone clip that when I was chatting to Louis earlier.

He really don't wanna be in the live. He don't wanna be, uh, on the content.

But he's got no choice.

The Marbella trip felt like an education

in how the hamster wheel of content creation

was incentivizing extreme behavior.

-Have you anything to say to the live? -Not really, no.

Over subsequent days,

clippers paid by HS and orchestrated by him in a group chat,

pushed out clips from the livestream.

Someone's saying you're good friends with Jimmy Savile.

What have you got to say?

They were then shared across TikTok and Instagram. Several went viral.

Gay! What the fuck?

Egged on by the comments making fun of him

and his decision to be in my film, HS seemed to spiral.

Like, if you want to call me a… a… a pimp,

scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead,

I'm all of those. I'm all of those, Theroux.

And what? What are you gonna do about it, pussy hoe? Nothing.

He came across to me like a fighter,

talking himself up before a big bout.

I do not give a fuck.

We turn now to growing concerns around the proliferation of misogyny online.

Teachers are sounding the alarm over a resurgence of male supremacy in schools.

There's a number of examples

of manosphere culture

affecting interactions between boys and girls.

Much has been said about the effect of streamers

on their young fans.

It is this idea that there's only one way to be a man,

and that involves oppressing women, the right to their bodies.

But in my time in the manosphere, I'd become curious

about how the streamers grew up and what they shared from their childhood.

My dad beat the fuck out of me.

I became very realistic of the world with one ass-kicking.

All it takes is one good ass-kicking. You learn a lot.

It was striking how many were raised without dads.

HS, the anti-feminist, had told me how his mum, Elaine,

had worked six-day weeks, late into the evening

to put him through private school.

It was clear from photos shared online how devoted Elaine had always been.

How HS had felt at the time was hard to know.

His dad, an England international rugby player,

was not in the picture.

I'm a little bit anxious to go see him. I can't lie. Like…

It's a bit… I ain't seen him in so fucking long.

HS posted content online about it.

-Very nice. Hello. -Hello.

You weren't there for years.

You didn't reply for ten years.

I don't agree with what he did. Don't… don't get it twisted.

-But no hard feelings. -Mm-hmm.

We'd talked about it when we'd been together.

If there is any trauma there, what I will say is, it's subconscious.

It's not something that I'm aware of.

-Really? -Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

Across the board, I had the sense

that influencers still carrying the wounds of childhood,

who'd had to learn brutal strategies of self-reliance,

were projecting their trauma onto the wider world.

There was certainly, um, a broken home going on.

There was violence going on. There was violence with the mom.

Justin was another.

His accounts of being raised by a mother who he characterized as chaotic

were a well-established part of his origin story.

-What kind of house did you grow up in? -It was like this.

-Was it? -I used to play in this neighborhood.

-Did you? -Yeah.

I… I've read online, and I've seen you talk about

how you had not the best upbringing in some respects, right?

Yes, sir.

We were very close to being put in a foster home.

I mean, there was a lot of violence.

My mom, she would just come in sometimes and just start punching him.

It was true rage.

We're actually not far from where she burned those houses down.

How do you mean she burned houses down?

So, we had two house fires when I was a kid, in eighth grade.

-Uh… -What was her motive?

Insurance money so we could build a new one.

-Really? -Yeah.

-Did she admit to doing that? -No.

So, she denies that?

I've never heard my mother say "I'm sorry" in my life. Ever.

I've never heard my mother say she was wrong.

Justin's mother denies all of this.

In my research, I couldn't find any charges or claims against her.

But there was no question there was massive instability in the home,

with Justin's dad prevented from seeing the children.

I'd started to wonder

whether an insecure upbringing had created a distrust of traditional family life.

He'd told me several times about his one-way monogamous relationship.

It seemed possible it was related.

-Hi. I'm Louis. How do you do? -Hi. Nice to meet you. Good. Kristen.

Kristen. Thanks for having us.

He'd recently moved back to Baton Rouge with his family.

Previously, he hadn't wanted us to film with his other half, Kristen,

but now, he'd changed his mind.

-Wow. -Come on in!

This is amazing.

She is a former X-ray technician, a mother of two with another on the way.

-Like being in a castle. -Yeah.

Uh, would you be happy to take us around a little bit?

This is the gym.

-She'd be right there. -Eva, show them how you swing.

She has her own Lambo.

This is the girls' room. That's where bath time is every night.

Do you do the bath, Justin, or is that more…

I don't do baths, or diapers, or anything like that.

I like to tell people we have lanes.

My lane is changing diapers, cooking, and cleaning,

and his lane is working and providing.

We don't cross into each other's lane.

It works for us.

One of the things that came up early on in conversation with Justin

was this idea of one-way monogamy.

My previous relationship that I was in before him,

I was lied to a lot.

And so my biggest thing with him was like, honestly, I can take the truth.

I was very open to it, for, like, him and I to do it kind of together.

-Mm-hmm. In bedroom scenarios? -Yeah.

-Mm-hmm. -Yeah.

Look, if I take a girl on a date, one of the questions by the…

If it doesn't happen on the first one, it will happen on the second one.

"So, I heard you have a wife." "Yeah, what about it? She's hot."

And then, boom, I'll show her a picture of Kristen immediately

and go straight for the threesome.

I don't give a fuck. I'm not about to placate some girl.

-Slightly aggressive. -No, I'm just telling you.

-I don't think he's that aggressive. -What about it?

-What about it? Like, what's up? -What about it?

Do you have arranged nights

where you know Justin with… is with someone else?

No.

-Is it a "don't ask, don't tell" thing? -Kind of.

-You don't need to know. -I don't.

-You don't want the gory details. -What do I… And it's not even gory.

-I don't… -Sexy?

I think that most women…

I could be going out on a limb here. But I think most women like the idea

or like to know that their man is wanted by other women.

-Are you married, by the way? -Yeah.

Not… not… I didn't bring the state into it.

Why did you not get married in the eyes of the state?

-You think the financial side? -Yeah.

That doesn't… That seems more risky for you, maybe.

It does seem more risky for me, but I don't feel like I'm at risk.

But, Louis, let's say it ended right now. Let's say it ended tomorrow.

-What ended? Oh. -Me and you.

I would still look at it as successful. It's some of the best years of my life.

I have beautiful children, beautiful memories.

I'll see comments sometimes like, "He thinks money is everything,

but he'll never understand what it's like to have true happiness in a family

and have a woman truly love him for more than his money."

Bullshit, asshole.

I have it all. Truly, truly have it all. I couldn't be more lucky and more blessed.

In Miami, I'd wondered how real Justin's wealth was.

It was clear, if he wasn't worth $30 million,

he was far from hard up.

Come on, let's go show another room in the house.

Yeah, Mommy's room!

But for me, the real question was

Kristen's true feelings about the arrangement.

-Kristen, you were working, weren't you? -I was. I loved my job.

But I don't miss having to wake up at five o'clock in the morning

and put on scrubs and go to a hospital and clock in,

and, like, have to work for somebody else.

I feel so good in my femininity because of how masculine Justin is.

Like, I was saying, the lanes that we're in,

I just kinda feel like that's what works for us.

But I also, to my core,

believe that, like, that's… as human beings, like,

male and female, I just think that that's how it's supposed to be.

With their male-centered take on family life,

Kristen and Justin embodied a red-pill dream

founded on a Darwinian view of alpha supremacy.

An ideology that seemed to me to be rooted in trauma

was being rolled out as the basis of far-reaching social renewal…

Did an election that was supposed to revolve around women's issues

actually come down to the plight of men?

This was the testosterone podcast election.

I want to thank the Nelk Boys, Adin Ross, Theo Von.

…as manosphere talking points began to converge

with the mainstream of political conversation.

I'm close to the Trump family. I know them well,

and I look forward to, once I am free, being with Donald Trump in person

and reminding him that he's a bulletproof badass.

Since entering the manosphere, I'd been trying to get access

to one of the handful of men at the very forefront of this evolution.

They are trying to make you gay.

One of the most popular and notorious goes by the name Sneako.

Hey, that's me.

Real name, Nicolas Balinthazy.

We should not let women vote. I'm sorry.

He, more than anyone, embodies the red pill's impact

and its political awakening.

It took about ten years, but the people that follow their gut instincts

are now at the forefront of truth.

I have my good friends here on the show.

A friend of the Tates and Myron…

We're here, and we're not going anywhere.

…he was at Trump's inauguration and celebratory ball

and claims Barron watches his content.

-We will make America great again. -Yeah!

He's been banned from all major platforms

for hate speech and misinformation.

Bop! Shut the fuck up, bitch. Just one and done. Cry, over.

Back in the kitchen!

But still, his clips go viral, with views in the billions.

Holy shit, everyone. It's me. I'm here.

He lives in New York.

He turns down most mainstream media requests.

To my surprise, he agreed to meet me.

Hey.

-Hey. How are you? -Hello. We just got here.

-Louis. -Hi. Come in.

-How are you doing? Shoes off. -Good.

-This is your place? -Uh, yeah, one of 'em.

-So, I'm working on this video today. -Wow.

I literally just came from a protest. They were protesting Elon Musk

and calling Trump a fascist.

That was right at City Hall.

-You talk to people down there? -I do. But everyone there knows me.

So I have this… This is what I do.

For something like that, I don't go with security.

This is what I do. I just put this on.

And then I'm undercover.

I swear to you, if I went like this, it would've been hectic.

How would you position yourself politically, culturally at the moment?

I'm a huge Trump supporter. I have this stuff everywhere.

I just came back from the inauguration.

I've been a Trump supporter since 2015.

It sounds like… Are you even in the manosphere? Not really.

I guess so. I am.

I mean, I think that, uh… that kind of graduated.

A lot of people that were in that space are now in politics.

And everybody in the "manosphere" is just… They're… people online

who are trying to make a buck, you know, selling ideologies.

People have heard all the talking points already.

I think the world got really crazy for a long time.

But I think we're reaching a little more of a balance

in terms of, uh, what's truthful and what's not.

Even the gender ideology got super crazy the past couple years.

Now seeing that there's laws, like, "Okay, actually, no, there's two."

"There are only two genders."

Simple stuff like that, I think, was really important.

And I think I deserve… Me, Fresh&Fit, the Tates,

I think we deserve a lot of credit in re-instilling that.

We should get out there before it gets too dark.

Okay, you wanna go?

My streams became rage bait, became clips, became angriness.

And it was going viral, but it wasn't making people happy.

Sneako is now putting out daily short films on X,

one of the few platforms he wasn't banned on.

-Can I get a picture? -Sure.

But the flavor of his content had changed since he converted to Islam.

His gender politics now came in spiritual packaging.

Look at this.

You know, there's a hadith in Islam where it says,

"In the end times, women will dress as if they're clothed but be fully naked."

And so, you can see this is the way that women dress now.

The… the little skirts in the advertisements.

It's… it's everywhere. Your brain gets tuned into this.

Yo!

-Hey, what up? -Oh my God.

What's poppin'?

-What up? What up? -Yo!

-What's going on? -Sneako!

Watch out. Watch out.

Oh my God.

Can we get a picture?

Let's get a big group one.

-They're shooting a documentary now. -Dead-ass?

-Yeah. I think they don't like me. -Holy shit.

-This is mad funny. -Yeah, yeah.

Tell me about Sneako.

People heard the wrong things.

And, I think, generally, he's not that bad of a person, but…

-My guy. -You know, I heard him out.

-Appreciate that. -We're in the road.

-No one said he did anything wrong. -People online. People who…

-What's the perception online? -People think he's controversial.

-It's usually about gender. -Yeah.

I feel like it's controven--

-And… and… the Jews. The Jews. -I love Jews.

Yeah, nah, some people are saying he, like… he hates them.

Nah, nah, that's not true.

-Where have you seen his content? -TikTok, YouTube, Instagram.

He's banned.

On every one of those, I'm banned.

-But he's on all of them. -There's clips.

Be safe out here. Don't get hit by a car. Appreciate you guys. Man, stay up.

Stay up.

-See you, Sneako! -See you, Sneako!

Maybe I'll grab a coffee in here in this deli.

Can I have a small coffee, light and sweet?

Thank you.

Look at that. Is that degenerate or artistic?

You see the one-eye symbolism? This is satanic symbolism right here.

-Do you think so? -Oh, it is.

When you cover one eye, this is what Dajjal looks like.

The Antichrist is gonna show up with one eye.

-So when you see celebrities-- -Come on, stop it.

How many magazine covers have one-eye symbolism?

Every celebrity does it. They all do.

You've only got two eyes. You can do two, one, or none.

But why is it every magazine cover

you see a celebrity doing this pose exactly, covering one eye?

-Are you for real? -I am for real.

-Who do you think's behind it? -The Satanists.

They're pledging allegiance to Satan.

Do you think Satanists are running the world?

Absolutely.

Do you? Okay, now we've got something weird.

-Yeah. You don't think so? -No.

A great example is every award show.

You know Sam Smith? He's a British guy. He used to look like you.

Then suddenly, he became extremely fat. He became transgender.

Then now his award shows are not just spreading LGBT.

He's straight-up worshiping the devil. It's not even subtle. The music is saying…

Something unholy

And then the way he performs it,

he puts on the devil horns with 30 devils onstage,

and they're simulating having gay sex at the award show.

Is this just, like, art? Or is it part of something bigger?

Are they trying to spread a message to the populace?

So you think there's someone above Sam Smith and his team…

-Yeah. -Who's basically--

Telling him to do that and steering him in that direction? Absolutely.

I strongly doubt it.

The idea that there's a Satanist cabal who are somehow running--

There is. And they want to establish a one-world government.

And who's in it?

Who's in the government? It doesn't really--

Who's in the Satanist cabal?

I mean, I don't know. I think the Rothschilds started it.

Is it Jewish in character?

No. No.

'Cause that does have some of the hallmarks

of an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

I also think that when you talk about the world being run by Satanists,

you've just gone off the deep end.

The world isn't run by Sam Smith.

No, but evil people that control him do.

Sneako had disavowed the red pill

but leaned further into conspiracy theories.

Nice.

It was part of a pattern across the world of influencers.

I mean, let's just look at the nature of the Jew.

To push false narratives about a shadowy cabal

who is plotting the social downfall of the West

by promoting degeneracy,

often with an explicitly anti-Semitic flavor.

Who pushed feminism? The fucking Jews. Who pushed homosexuality? The Jews.

These are conversations they don't want you to hear.

It felt like, for some, the talk of the matrix ended up here.

I feel like the people who run the world don't have our best intentions.

I'd heard similar ideas from Ed in Marbella.

They use vibrations that are gonna negatively bring you down.

And who do you think controls all of that?

The Jews.

I'm gonna strongly disagree about that.

And Myron in Florida.

Do you feel like it's become fashionable to blame Jews for things

in the red-pill community?

Well…

-Can I get a drink of water then answer? -Sure.

All right. I'll be right back.

Sorry about that. Okay.

So… I think a big reason

why so many people are talking about it now

is because it's a topic that's been censored for decades.

It was one of the topics that would get you banned immediately

on any mainstream platform.

Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews!

Another was HS.

Theroux's just sat there with his Jew fingers, like, "Yes."

Seemingly leaping onto a bandwagon of hate.

What are you saying, bro?

Because he knew it was so shocking, it would be clippable.

Nice to meet you.

It almost felt like an inflationary spiral

of racism and bigotry

in order to get people's attention, and that this could quickly escalate.

Where you at? Where you at, pussy ho?

Where you at, pussy?

Stranger still, it seemed to me

that it was all with the aim of selling products to teenagers.

Son of a bitch! Come on, bitch! Are you dumb?

I'd once taken £500 and joined HS's investment group,

making trades with its advice,

hoping to join the ranks of those who'd levelled up.

With its help, after two months, my money was mostly gone.

But it was less about the money than how it seemed symptomatic

of a world where nothing was quite as advertised.

The romance, the confidence, the wealth were all either illusory or out of reach.

And the anger seemed a compensation for the fear of being exposed.

Theroux come in, yeah, trying to give it all large,

trying to chat all this shit.

So, what if Louis comes out and wants to chat crap? I don't care.

If you wanna call me a pimp, scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead,

I'm all of those, Theroux.

I didn't even know who you were before this documentary,

and I won't know who you are after. I do not give a fuck.

HS was now more visible than ever, his social media following up,

mainstream papers and TV shows taking notice.

The digital world he inhabited meant

that instead of being cancelled, he was riding high.

And so I'd decided to see him one last time,

hoping to level with him about the troubling attitudes he promoted.

Oh my goodness.

Hi!

-You must be Elaine. -I am Elaine.

-You must be Louis. -I am.

He was in Marbella, still on the run from his car crash case

and being visited by his mum, Elaine.

-Thanks for doing this. -You're welcome.

There's Sam.

As soon as I arrived, I sensed a slightly weird vibe.

Are you a fan of HS's content?

Well, I don't think of him as HS.

-He's Harrison. -Mm.

If anyone went through and said that they agreed

with absolutely everything their child did and said,

then they'd be telling an untruth.

So, of course, there's things I don't agree with.

And he knows that.

You've talked about traditional gender roles

and actually thinking that, in general, men should order women around, right?

"Men should order women around"? I think that's a bit of an extreme.

You have said that you thought that it'd be better to marry a virgin.

Yeah, I've… Ideally.

Why do I want a ting that's been run through?

That type of thing, the way women are stereotyped

if they have multiple partners to the way that men are,

I find it… extraordinary.

But it's been like that since the beginning of time. And sadly--

-We should push back on that. -Well, yes, but…

-He's shaking his head. -No.

Most women in the world are not like my mum.

Most are thick. Most.

-Most women? -Most--

Sorry. In the handful that you've met?

You're not talking to women of my age. You're talking to…

About 30.

What struck me in the last week or so,

I've seen clips of HS saying,

"Call me racist, call me misogynist, call me homophobic, call me a scammer."

"I'm all those things."

Yeah, that's my way of saying I don't care.

-Do you feel you are those things? -No.

-I think you're homophobic. -I'm not homophobic.

-He's not. -I have a gay mate.

But you said that if you had a son, and he was gay, you'd disown him.

That's not homophobic.

The other thing was some of the anti-Semitic things you were saying.

He's Jewish.

Have I said in a clip, "Fuck the Jews"? Yes.

Does that mean I'm anti-Semitic? No. I'm clip-farming.

Kids watch this stuff, don't they?

So they look up to you like you're their superhero.

They hear that. They think it's acceptable.

That's the parents' fault. That's not my fault.

I don't need to censor myself. I'll say what I want.

I've had 13-year-olds come up to me, and I'm like,

"Mate, why are you watching my stuff? You're too young to watch my stuff."

13-year-olds, 14, 15 is probably, like, your main demographic.

No, it isn't.

This character over here is the one I'm worried about.

So sinister.

-Yeah. We've all got the cameras out. -Jeez.

As we spoke, I was increasingly aware of Sam's filming,

and that HS was probably streaming to a live audience.

Now I was…

Zoom in.

Can you zoom in a bit?

Performing provocations for the chat.

For you, the only metric is making money. It doesn't really--

Making money, being healthy, being happy.

If I wasn't doing social media, I'd be up the city, playing that game.

Now, I'm playing the game of life, and I'm playing it very well.

Do you believe in doing the right thing for its own sake?

Obviously, you've got a couple of criminal cases, right?

Oh, look, this is the twat shit that you start saying, bro.

Honestly, this is the stuff that pisses me off.

Why do you need to go there?

He's not gonna talk about any issues with the law.

I'm talking about what's reported.

-You don't have to say anything. -You're such a little twat, mate.

You've done it just to get a reaction, so please don't, or else it will end.

If you don't agree with what Harrison's doing,

then why are you making money off of it on a program by publicizing it?

You're doing it because you think he's a controversial character,

so you're making money off it.

And that's why… that's all your programs are.

-Even with your mate Jimmy Savile. -What you choose to cut-- Yeah.

-Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile. -Come on.

Theroux cooked.

I get Jimmy Savile energy from some of the manosphere figures.

Jimmy Savile used to refer to women…

HS seemed to have changed tactics to put me on the back foot.

-A question? -Absolutely.

Are Israel committing genocide?

You're a puppet. You can't say what you want.

-I wanna think about-- -You're a puppet.

In my opinion--

You're a puppet the same way you are for Savile. Puppet.

Are you livestreaming at the moment?

No, we're filming for a YouTube video.

I think you're livestreaming.

With me, I don't have to edit.

I don't do this bullshit editing that you do,

where this wouldn't be in the show.

'Cause I'm real. I'm raw. I'm not a puppet. I'm not controlled.

No one's my daddy.

Savile's your daddy. The Jews are your daddy.

You know it. I don't give a fuck.

This is why I say what I believe, and I don't need to edit anything, ever.

Ever. Nothing with me needs to be edited out.

Put what you want about me on the net, I don't give a toss.

HS's declaration to his camera and his live audience was, I realized,

his grand finale.

Are you a fan of HS's content?

Well, I don't think of him as HS.

Within minutes, content from the stream had gone viral.

Look, this is the twat shit that you start saying, bro.

Edited by HS's clippers

into short snippets with clickbait headlines.

You're a puppet. You can't say what you want to say.

-I wanna think about-- -You're a puppet.

Louis is owned by the fucking Jews!

Later, I caught up with the whole stream.

-We're live. -We're live, yeah?

All right, good. All right, let's show him.

Five minutes till Theroux's here.

On Sam's camera, it unfolded very differently.

Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile, mate.

-Theroux cooked. -I get Jimmy Savile energy…

The anonymous commenters marionetting HS's performance

as they fed him questions.

Can I ask you a question? Are Israel committing genocide?

Of all the material, what I was most struck by

were the moments with HS's mum before the interview.

-It's just what I like. -That juice bar you get the things from.

-They'll have ginger. -I don't want a juice.

You don't have to have juice.

Mummy, I don't want a juice bar. All right?

Don't embarrass me. Don't be rude. That's not the way I've brought you up.

-Do not be rude. -I won't be.

-'Cause it's a reflection on me. -All right, I won't be.

They had an unlikely domestic flavor.

-Done. -Can you get… Look at this!

I'm not having them come in here… Look. Get out of the way.

Hello, YouTube.

I'm going to do chubby bunnies with marshmallows.

Put one marshmallow in your mouth, and then you say, "Chubby bunny."

It's tempting to see the extreme male influencers

as adversaries spewing hate, and in some ways, they are.

I wanted to be a doctor.

That's what my Filipino grandparents said I wanted to be.

One of the few stereotypes…

But they are also products of a culture,

growing up online in a world that's changing at dizzying speed

with narrowing opportunities,

where the old entitlements of manhood have been challenged.

It is perhaps not surprising that some have sought the comfort

of a simplified world of gain hacks and conspiracy theories.

It struck me that the matrix they rail against

more accurately describes the algorithmic prison

they've created for their followers.

An illusion of endless wealth and power

that actually only enriches a few at the top.

USA! USA! USA!

With their ascendancy,

we are in a world where the fringe is no longer fringe.

We kept a female president from taking power. Let's go!

Where we are all increasingly inside the manosphere.

I'll take it, mate.

And it's up to us how we get out.

-Nice to meet you. -Thank you.

Have a good time. See you.

A TikTok influencer who spent nearly a year on the run

has been spared jail

after receiving a one-year suspended custodial sentence.

That's for dangerous driving and also driving without insurance.

He's known as HSTikkyTokky.

This shit is on me, bro. Like, it's not on her whatsoever.

We haven't been together for a minute, and she wants a family.

And I can't give that to her now.

This is my first video back on YouTube.

I did it.

I don't know. Should I post this?

Ready?