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(laughing)
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Study on voyeurism. I don't know, I'm not sure.
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Dr. Taylor, granted
I've been here only a week,
but of the information that I've looked at,
of all the sexual problems
that human response associates see,
voyeurism is the one that we're least effective treating.
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I'd like to recruit some subjects and then
do some preliminary clinical observations.
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As I remember, there's not much work that has been done in that field.
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No, I think it's a really rich area for research.
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What's your working definition of voyeurism?
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The act of secretly observing unsuspecting people
who are naked or in the process of undressing or
participating in sexual activity for one's own sexual pleasure.
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First stage, I'd like to hold in-depth interviews
and then look over the information,
and then I'd like to propose a program of therapeutic recommendations.
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Have you talked to Dr. Brand about this?
She's the clinician that designs the treatment protocols.
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Well, I thought that I'd run it by you first.
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My only concern here is that it might be a bit too ambitious.
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Well, I'll take that as a compliment.
But I must say that when you hired me,
you did say to think outside the box.
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Fast track it. I think it's a home run.
Thank you.
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Well I'm looking forward to what
you come up with because so far I've been
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completely ineffective with the lawyers.
I think what we need to do is just see
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how much you can get them to disclose to you.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
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Well why is that an issue though?
Well women classically have had difficulty
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getting the subjects to disclose
the sexual intimate information in their
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lives. Oh well that won't be a problem.
That was my strong suit in grad school.
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Oh okay. I didn't mean it that way.
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Why are you so interested in doing this?
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Well, I guess...
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I guess I'm interested because I want to find out
why I'm so interested in doing it.
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All set? Yeah. We on? Hey you.
Hey. Well, I wish I could be there, but I can't.
We have another gig tonight at San Luis Obispo.
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So, I just wanted to wish you luck on your first subject,
so you're going to knock them dead.
I know you will.
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I hope you don't actually knock them dead though,
because that wouldn't be a good thing.
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Um, I don't know what else to say.
I was going to do this entirely naked,
but I figured that if people were watching,
then that wouldn't be a good thing.
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I don't care about these guys though. Yeah, rock on.
Good luck. I miss you. I love you. I miss you.
I can't wait to see you.
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We all miss you.
Yeah.
Want to climb up a truck?
I love you. I love you. Bye.
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Okay, I'm going to put this microphone here.
There you go.
Let me plug it in over here.
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Okay, why don't you start by telling me a little bit about you.
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My name's Dave.
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28, I'm single.
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Never been married.
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College graduate.
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I work in advertising.
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I'm a media buyer.
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I'm the second of three brothers.
I like to play golf.
I work out, watch basketball.
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It's not a boy.
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I haven't never told anyone about this.
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Jesus Christ.
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I just, I must have kept it inside me since I was a *****.
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And why did you apply for this study?
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I think my voyeurism is keeping me from being intimate with women.
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Thanks for telling me that. I appreciate that.
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You're pretty easy to talk to.
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That's good.
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So, how long ago was your first water stick experience?
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I was a teenager and it was...
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Man, I can see it as clear as when it happened.
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And it was like being hit by lightning or something.
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It was... I mean, after that I was hooked.
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And you... you masturbated when you saw that?
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Yeah.
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And later, too.
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Lasted me for months.
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You know, I really appreciate how
articulate you're being about this.
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It's really helpful.
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Well, it's a major deal for me.
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I've given this a lot of thought.
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And there's so much time spent
searching for voyeuristic opportunities.
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If I cannot be as obsessed as I am,
I don't want to go through my whole life doing this.
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Sometimes it just gets to be too much.
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So tell me about the second time.
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Second time?
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Uh, we had to move because of my father's job.
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It started two days after we got there.
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It was August and it was hot.
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I mean, sweltering hot.
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From my window I could see her perfectly.
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It was amazing.
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At the end of that summer,
I saw my first fucking...
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after
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I was watching people have sex.
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Do the thing.
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Even though I'd never seen it,
you know what I mean?
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But there was
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So primitive
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Okay let's do it.
Okay all right so just tell me who you are and
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I get that pulling on it.
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Tell me who you are and and why you're here.
Okay I'm Christopher. I'm 30. I'm a
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website designer what else?
And why you're here? We have to be
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somewhere right?
Look I figure maybe I could learn something.
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So tell me about your family, about your relationships.
Are you single?
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Yeah, I'm single.
I grew up in a middle-class family.
My mother was a social worker.
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My parents split up when I was young.
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I don't know why I answered your ad
because I guess some what you might call a
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I was the *** with the mirrors in
my shoes looking up girls' dresses, okay?
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I don't know, the things that I remember...
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beautiful things.
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Listen, it's the moments in life with truth.
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Those are the images that turn me on.
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Stealing images from life is my life.
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You see?
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normal relationships with women, okay,
but I do have relationships with
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There was this woman once,
she used to live close to where I used to work.
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And she knew everything about me,
she knew when I got off and everything.
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And she would put on these shows for me.
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take off her clothes and she would play with herself.
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But in that whole time she never once
acknowledged that I was even there.
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I would just sit in my car and...
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I don't know,
I used to wonder if she would do that for anyone else.
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like to think that she didn't.
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-Heroism, business.
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Yeah, really.
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And?
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It's really wild.
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Yeah, really, what is really?
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affected you? I mean sexually?
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You want to find out?
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Okay.
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I really miss you.
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I know someone else who really misses you.
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I like your video.
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Did you like that?
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Yeah, you should have made it.
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Everybody was making fun of me.
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Bye!
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Oh, yes.
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Oh, baby. Oh, baby.
Oh, you look so good.
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I missed you so much.
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Well, I've concluded this so far.
I think that when a woman studies sex, men get
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threatened. You're probably right.
We've had instances here where the work has
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had a negative effect on some of
the researchers' personal lives.
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My life needed a little jolt.
They think in very specific images of sex, very
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visual.
Yeah, I'm treating a woman, Stephanie.
26, an exhibitionist. Wish you
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could get the two guys and her together.
Yeah, joint research.
Exactly. I'll tell you
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what, you pitch to Ken.
Well, actually, he's got a lot riding on your project.
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And, oh, it's apparently the board
really slammed him for okaying your study.
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I know. How's it going?
Good. I'm beginning to think that voyeurism is just an
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extension of what gets you off.
Okay, I have this sometimes boyfriend that I see.
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Okay, I'll get back to that.
Okay. And when we make love,
he likes me to wear like a tank top or t-shirt so
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that when we're making love,
my breasts are ****** and then eventually
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they're just revealed.
Right. And that sort of thing turns him on.
Or I had this
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boyfriend in high school who
just had this thing for my butt, you know.
And so
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I'm thinking that voyeurism is just
these guys' preference of how they like to
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experience sex.
Nothing more and nothing less.
Yeah, but you haven't taken into
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account the moral or legal issues.
Well, you know, I like to isolate the sexual
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behavior, you know, isolate the basic dynamic because,
I don't know, I don't
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think there's a lot to be gained
by me judging the behavior.
Yeah, but I think
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you gotta take a look at the behavior
in the context of society.
I don't think
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there's really a right answer.
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I don't have something there, but it is interesting.
Yeah, it is for sure. Bye. Bye.
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So, thank you for coming.
Tell me a little bit about yourself.
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My name's Steven. I'm a psychotherapist.
I have a very successful family practice.
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I'm married. My wife Judy is a patent attorney.
I went to Golden State
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University in Wittendell for my grad studies.
I run, work out, I collect fine
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art, I enjoy antique pottery,
and I do work with the Special Olympics.
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Why are you here?
I'm here because I want to have a better understanding of this
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whole behavior I seem to be swept up in.
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I think my life could be a good deal more relaxed if I can...
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I don't know, control is the wrong word,
but I guess just have a better understanding of
why I'm doing what I'm doing.
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It seems to be coming between Judy and I.
It's a real problem for us. For me.
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Tell me about your first experience.
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It all started on a Friday night.
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My parents were out at the movie.
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My brother Mark was downstairs with his girlfriend.
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I've never seen that before.
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I knew I shouldn't be looking.
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It's a very strange feeling.
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She was making love to me at the same time
Mark was making love to me.
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And were there no other incidents?
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Just one.
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It was one night.
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My brother and Kay were sitting at the dining room table.
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became very excited.
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so I could see her panties and then she smiled again.
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To this day.
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Whether it was the fact that it was a taboo
because it was my brother's girlfriend, but...
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It still gets me so excited.
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It's interesting how Stephen K,
even though he's a psychotherapist,
seems to be blind
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when it comes to his own behavior.
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I was particularly impressed by the strength of his memories.
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He gets lost in them.
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Voyeurism is this strictly visual,
therefore probably strictly male behavior.
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It's a "safe" behavior because they don't
have to commit to another person on a daily
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basis, on any meaningful level.
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I had the dream set up in college.
Everyone there was pretty cool.
So I'd set up some
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bathroom cams and I had three of them.
I put them in strategic locations.
I think I was
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one of the first ones ever done actually.
I saw some incredible stuff.
I saw this girl
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playing with herself.
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and it was beautiful.
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And what other incidents stand out for you?
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I was at this party once and I showed this girl
some tape that I had shot of her playing
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with herself.
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She was kind of a freak because she liked it.
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So I shot some of her...
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What was it like looking at yourself on tape?
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I don't know.
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I mean, I didn't really think of it that way.
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It wasn't...
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You know, it actually wasn't...
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It didn't quite work for me.
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She knew she was being taped and it fucked up the whole thing.
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So I told her that the cameras were busted and
I ended up getting the all-time best tape
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anyhow.
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(moaning)
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It was incredible.
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Don't worry.
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And this young woman, do you see her?
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Yeah, I see her from time to time.
She works in Tahoe as a ski instructor.
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And in the summertime she works in Hawaii
as a waitress in some bar.
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I'd be interested in maybe talking to her.
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What, to see if I'm lying?
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No, I just think it might be helpful for the interviews.
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Yeah, sure, I've got her email address. Go ahead.
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Great.
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She's probably a bigger player than I am.
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I liked seeing myself on the tape.
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I liked that people were watching me.
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I don't know, it was kind of like,
kind of like being in Hollywood or something.
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It was almost like, it was kind of like being a star.
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I mean, I figure I look this way for a reason, you know.
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Should I feel bad that I did all of those things?
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Because I don't.
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Every once in a while I look at the tape.
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He gave me a copy.
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I'm just so young.
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I see Christopher around sometimes.
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I just can't believe I was with that jerk.
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I mean, we never even did it.
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Did what?
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Well, we never had sex.
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It's kind of weird.
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I'm beginning to get it.
There's something incredibly powerful about
seeing someone's intimate acts, intimate moments.
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one's own sexual gratification.
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My last girlfriend, Della,
and I tried to incorporate my voyeurism into the relationship,
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but it was less than satisfactory.
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Meaning?
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Got out of hand. I lost control. Not that I was ever in control.
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What happened, Stephen?
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I became obsessed with the idea
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of watching Della show herself off in public.
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I took her to this nudie bar, you know, the kind with amateur nights.
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And at my urging, she entered the wet t-shirt contest.
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It's extremely exciting for me seeing other men watching her. She kept looking
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at me. That's crazy. I gave her the thumbs up and she went nuts.
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She took off her t-shirt and exposed her breasts for all the guys.
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It's chaos.
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I became terribly excited. I began touching myself.
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Della saw that and she started touching her tits and her breasts. I thought they
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were gonna pull her off the stage.
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They were yelling, "Take it off! Take it off!"
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So she removed her pants and her panties.
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Telling you about it makes me a little uncomfortable,
but being there, seeing it,
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doing it, taking part of it, the high, the adrenaline rush, it was...
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How how did that incident end?
She masturbated herself on stage and we had
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simultaneous orgasms.
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the
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opportunity to come down here and talk about this part of my life.
When she um
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the researcher called me at first ********* but then looking back on all that I
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just thought if I came down here and talked about it that I might be able to
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let it go.
I could see the guys in the crowd getting turned on by me.
It felt so
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powerful. He was in the back.
I could see that he was masturbating.
Well how did
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that make you feel?
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Good. Would you do it again?
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No.
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It was all his idea.
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Can't even believe I did it.
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Everything was fine for a while.
Then, I really don't know how to describe it,
but it sort of builds up inside of me to have to do something.
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Something with an edge. It's like taking a ****.
In any event, I asked Della to have sex with another man while I watched.
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And Della did this willingly. Totally.
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And how did it work?
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I got two motel rooms right next to each other and
I set up a tiny video rig between the two rooms.
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Look, we talked about this.
Everything's gonna be fine.
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This is for me, baby.
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Okay, I got the camera right here.
He's not gonna see anything.
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You just act normal, okay?
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Bella got dressed up very provocatively and
went down to the bar in the hotel room.
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Thank you, baby.
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Okay, you ready?
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Yeah.
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All right, let's do it.
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A half an hour later she came back with this guy.
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What did you say your name was?
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Afterwards, after the guy left,
I went into the room.
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Babe, that was incredible.
I came so hard.
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What's wrong?
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We never, truly ever recovered from that.
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I thought it was going to be okay, but it wasn't.
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I've come to think about my behavior as being addictive.
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As I say I'm going to do one thing and
then I end up doing another.
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I just feel like I've lost control.
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It was a hard time in my life.
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I kept trying to make it work.
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I felt like I couldn't satisfy him.
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I felt like it was my fault or something.
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I think looking back on it now,
which is a hell of a lot easier than
trying to gain perspective in the middle of it,
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I lost my self-respect.
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I did things that I didn't think were right for me.
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Desperate things to keep me and Steven together.
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Then you didn't enjoy it.
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I wouldn't say that.
It almost gave me permission to do things that I wouldn't
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have normally done. I think about those days.
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Has this been a work?
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Yeah.
You know what's interesting is I found that
two out of the three men felt that no matter
how much sexual gratification they got from their voyeuristic experiences,
that voyeurism still had this oppressive hold on their lives.
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They felt in the grips of it.
You know, they felt victims of it.
And so did the people in their relationships.
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Well, maybe it's just those two guys.
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Well, that's my universe.
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My working theory is that the sexual visual procreation genes
were necessary for man's survival and not so much for women's.
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And that's why voyeurism didn't develop so much in women.
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That's a little far-reaching for a clinical observation, isn't it?
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Of course, but you know,
I can't help but go there.
I'm open to anything.
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You never seem to set anything in stone. I like that. I like your process.
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Thanks.
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Okay.
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Bye.
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Oh, by the way,
the man that's having the other man make love
to his girlfriend and getting off on it, it's interesting.
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Yeah, it's interesting.
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Do you think that's about his inadequacy?
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No, I think it's about what turns him on.
Secrecy, sex altogether, you know.
I don't think it's necessarily pathological.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Bye-bye.
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00:45:37,498 --> 00:45:41,478
You know, I'm pretty much not into
talking about the voyeurism thing all night.
317
00:45:44,638 --> 00:45:50,418
Okay, Michael, so we can talk about whatever rock star all night long,
but I talk about my work and...
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you freak out.
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You want to know if I'm a voyeur?
I'm not. Okay?
I mean I look at girls, okay?
Guys look at girls, that's the deal.
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I just want a normal date, you know?
A nice dinner, some casual sex, on occasion. You know?
321
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But until you're done with this project,
I think I'm shit out of luck.
322
00:46:20,218 --> 00:46:25,858
You know what? I am starting a new project at a new job.
You think I'm under a little bit of pressure maybe?
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Can you just give me some time, Michael? Please?
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Yeah.
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I think I'm just getting a little sketched about
you dealing with guy sex problems all day.
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It's part of my job.
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I know. And I know that you're totally cool about it.
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00:47:03,741 --> 00:47:04,862
But still...
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What would you like me to do?
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It's not you. It's me.
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I just think that the best thing for the both of us
is to just give each other a little space.
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What you need to do right now is
this study without me being all over you.
333
00:47:40,022 --> 00:47:43,302
You know what, this is just,
we're just going through something, just...
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00:47:52,538 --> 00:47:57,138
I love you. I love you.
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00:48:08,278 --> 00:48:09,038
I'll call you.
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00:48:33,138 --> 00:48:35,618
I just, I feel so unprofessional.
337
00:48:36,078 --> 00:48:38,018
There's no reason to be so hard on yourself.
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00:48:38,738 --> 00:48:41,798
I know, it's just, it's affecting my everything.
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00:48:42,178 --> 00:48:43,698
It's affecting everything.
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00:48:44,138 --> 00:48:48,178
I think about sex, I've driven Michael completely away.
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I just, I feel obsessed.
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Why are you being so tough on yourself?
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I'm changing.
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You know, I'm learning about myself.
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I'm discovering new parts of myself and experiencing new things.
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Michael's treading water.
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And you don't want to bring him down where you can't breathe.
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00:49:08,418 --> 00:49:08,718
Right.
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00:49:10,398 --> 00:49:11,918
Does this work affect you?
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Yeah, how can it not? I mean, God.
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It's a matter of finding a balance, like having an outlet, or other interests.
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00:49:20,498 --> 00:49:24,058
And we should continue talking, because the movie's...
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00:49:24,058 --> 00:49:25,278
We should make a point of it, huh?
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00:49:25,398 --> 00:49:25,598
Okay.
355
00:49:29,758 --> 00:49:34,718
Thank you. Next time I get this way, just hose me off and send me on my way, okay?
356
00:49:35,058 --> 00:49:36,877
You're doing all right, ***. You're doing great.
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00:49:40,878 --> 00:49:43,178
So I ended up buying a high-end video camera.
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And I would start sneaking shots,
and then I would take them home and edit them.
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Where would you shoot?
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Out of my van, handheld, beaches, malls, anywhere really.
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All I had to do was look like a tourist.
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00:49:56,218 --> 00:50:01,058
So that's the great thing about California,
is that the women here are already half naked.
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And it's that half of half naked that's the key.
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Meaning?
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Meaning that a woman who is partially dressed and
revealed is a lot more sexier than a woman who's completely naked.
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00:50:18,318 --> 00:50:22,178
Being in public, sneak shooting is a turn-on by itself.
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00:50:24,138 --> 00:50:26,098
You ever shoot with a hard-on?
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00:50:28,438 --> 00:50:32,498
I would take home these images ****** from life and watch them.
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Yes, I would masturbate.
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00:50:46,106 --> 00:50:47,086
Anything else?
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00:50:50,346 --> 00:50:53,266
No, that's it. Thank you.
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00:50:53,586 --> 00:50:54,486
Great, thanks to you.
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00:50:54,626 --> 00:50:55,866
Yeah, we'll see you on Friday.
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Okay.
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00:50:58,106 --> 00:51:00,726
I'll take that from you.
Thanks.
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00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:01,706
Alright.
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00:51:02,326 --> 00:51:02,586
Okay.
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00:51:08,842 --> 00:51:12,922
Last time we talked,
I asked you to try to bring some intimacy into your voyeurism, some
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humanity.
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00:51:13,562 --> 00:51:14,382
What did you come up with?
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00:51:18,330 --> 00:51:24,050
I hired an e*****. *********.
Whatever you want to call her.
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00:51:27,090 --> 00:51:27,930
Go on.
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00:51:31,194 --> 00:51:33,354
I took a hotel room.
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00:51:46,349 --> 00:51:47,330
Right, see the money?
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00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:48,530
Oh, sure.
386
00:51:55,386 --> 00:51:56,266
(sizzling)
387
00:52:03,477 --> 00:52:06,538
No, no, um, I just want you to stand here.
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00:52:07,178 --> 00:52:07,758
Right here.
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00:52:08,718 --> 00:52:11,358
And I want you to take your clothes off slowly.
390
00:52:11,638 --> 00:52:12,978
I have a camera over here.
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00:52:13,558 --> 00:52:16,638
Oh, well, you didn't pay me enough money to take my clothes off.
392
00:52:16,638 --> 00:52:20,178
No, no, no, no, no,
I, um, I don't have any film in it.
393
00:52:21,718 --> 00:52:23,038
You just want me to stand here?
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Take off your clothes.
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00:52:27,358 --> 00:52:27,738
Slowly.
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00:52:27,738 --> 00:52:28,358
Slowly.
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Slowly, slowly.
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Nice and slow.
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00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:44,750
So you like tits?
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00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:47,790
Yep.
401
00:52:49,810 --> 00:52:51,110
Do you like asses?
402
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:55,450
Uh-huh.
403
00:53:03,262 --> 00:53:04,562
Why don't you come over here?
404
00:53:06,942 --> 00:53:08,502
I don't think you should worry about me.
405
00:53:23,114 --> 00:53:24,714
Do you want me to keep taking my clothes off?
406
00:53:24,734 --> 00:53:25,634
No, don't touch me. No.
407
00:53:27,554 --> 00:53:28,414
Get back here.
408
00:53:30,414 --> 00:53:31,674
So you just like to watch?
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00:53:47,162 --> 00:53:48,942
Why don't you take your panties off?
410
00:53:58,298 --> 00:54:01,678
That's it, nice and slow.
411
00:54:09,082 --> 00:54:11,422
You're making me really hot.
412
00:54:21,114 --> 00:54:22,714
Oh yeah.
413
00:54:45,242 --> 00:54:47,602
Well, isn't that what you wanted, to take pictures of me?
414
00:54:52,385 --> 00:54:54,706
Yeah, but you said you just wanted to take pictures, right?
415
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:07,310
Aren't you happy?
416
00:55:21,074 --> 00:55:23,334
No, no, no, no, don't touch me.
417
00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:24,474
Okay.
418
00:55:25,894 --> 00:55:27,614
Thank you, that was great.
419
00:55:29,474 --> 00:55:30,274
Thanks, baby.
420
00:55:33,034 --> 00:55:33,694
Thank you.
421
00:55:36,214 --> 00:55:38,214
So what was it like when she touched you?
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00:55:40,434 --> 00:55:43,594
I didn't see her because I was looking through the camera.
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00:55:44,114 --> 00:55:47,314
So when she touched me I was completely surprised.
424
00:55:47,314 --> 00:55:54,594
Because it's not about that, you know,
it's about watching and getting off afterwards.
425
00:55:55,894 --> 00:55:59,614
Remembering what it looked like and bringing up all the little details.
426
00:56:00,834 --> 00:56:03,174
So her touching me made it something else.
427
00:56:05,594 --> 00:56:14,174
And so did the reality of your experience,
did it live up to your expectations?
428
00:56:16,314 --> 00:56:22,854
Oh yeah, yeah, it was expensive, but hey,
we're here for a short trip, you know what I'm saying?
429
00:56:24,933 --> 00:56:33,734
So did it not matter to you that what you were looking at was set up,
that they were bought images, that it wasn't real?
430
00:56:35,894 --> 00:56:36,374
Real?
431
00:56:37,334 --> 00:56:43,174
Well, that they were staged, that they weren't reality.
432
00:56:46,474 --> 00:56:47,734
It was real enough.
433
00:56:49,414 --> 00:56:53,394
Hopefully you can use their voyeur skills and apply them to their therapy.
434
00:56:54,434 --> 00:56:54,814
Skills?
435
00:56:55,534 --> 00:56:59,674
Skills, patterns, behaviors, call them what you want,
436
00:56:59,674 --> 00:57:08,054
but use them as a tool to bridge the emotional blocks
they're having with trying to have a "normal" sex life with their partners.
437
00:57:08,734 --> 00:57:14,594
Okay, are you going to make suggestions specific
to each subject or more generalized applications?
438
00:57:14,834 --> 00:57:21,354
No, this time I want to be specific and then hopefully later
we'll have somewhat of a track record and we can go further with it.
439
00:57:22,374 --> 00:57:23,774
Okay then, here we go.
440
00:57:24,254 --> 00:57:24,814
Here we go.
441
00:57:27,394 --> 00:57:28,114
That'll be excellent.
442
00:57:28,573 --> 00:57:30,434
Yeah, I think we're doing fine.
443
00:57:31,614 --> 00:57:32,034
What do you say?
444
00:57:37,113 --> 00:57:41,834
Hi! How's it going?
It's going so good. This is so fascinating, you know?
445
00:57:43,534 --> 00:57:48,574
Good. Well, if you need anything,
anything I can do to help you, let me know.
Okay. Okay, thank you.
446
00:57:54,137 --> 00:58:02,038
I'm a little nervous being here. I know that.
This is gonna be good for us.
What we're hoping to do is
447
00:58:02,038 --> 00:58:07,078
re-divert Stephen's sexual energy into his relationship with you.
Sounds right.
448
00:58:07,618 --> 00:58:11,178
So what I'm gonna want the two of you to do is I'm gonna want you to use some
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strategies that will enable this process.
I'm sorry, the part I'm not sure I'm
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comfortable with is doing with the cameras.
All right I understand. Well we do
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00:58:23,318 --> 00:58:27,758
that purely for clinical purposes.
There will be no way anyone can identify you
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00:58:27,758 --> 00:58:31,298
and no one will be watching.
We simply turn on the camera and leave, okay?
453
00:58:33,338 --> 00:58:38,418
In addition, we use video fuzz blocks so that
all identities will be kept ****** and we
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do that right here in-house so
you can be assured there will be no gap in
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00:58:42,198 --> 00:58:49,998
security, okay? Thank you.
You're welcome. Makes me feel a little better.
Lisa and I have also
456
00:58:49,998 --> 00:58:54,578
spoken with Stephen about some techniques
that might be helpful and I
457
00:58:54,578 --> 00:58:59,118
thought that maybe it'd be best
if you just be spontaneous, okay?
458
00:59:40,122 --> 00:59:44,122
Hey baby, why don't you stand by the bed?
459
00:59:45,382 --> 00:59:46,242
It's exciting.
460
00:59:47,902 --> 00:59:49,122
You're so beautiful.
461
00:59:50,762 --> 00:59:52,642
I'd love it if you'd take your clothes off.
462
01:00:01,434 --> 01:00:02,694
I love watching you.
463
01:01:15,610 --> 01:01:17,190
I'm doing okay.
464
01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:18,630
You're doing great.
465
01:01:47,642 --> 01:01:50,642
No, I think it's good.
I think the case is going to work out really...
466
01:01:51,342 --> 01:01:52,162
Oh, I'll just be a minute.
467
01:01:54,862 --> 01:01:56,982
Um, I'll call you back in about 15.
468
01:04:01,306 --> 01:04:04,606
I have mixed feelings about what I did here with Steven.
469
01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:20,030
Yes, it was trying to help him.
But what about me? I feel as if we're shaping our
470
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:27,670
relationship to satisfy his particular needs.
The question is how do we strike
471
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:35,170
an even balance with all this?
It can't just be his way.
When are my needs going
472
01:04:35,170 --> 01:04:38,350
to be met? Well, what are your needs?
473
01:04:48,502 --> 01:04:50,382
I'm not sure that's something I want to share.
474
01:04:54,266 --> 01:04:59,746
Um, so tell me about your experience here.
Did you, did you enjoy it?
475
01:05:06,374 --> 01:05:15,154
I don't think I want to continue.
I'm sorry, um, it's okay I just, uh, hang on just a moment Judy.
Judy, it's okay.
476
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:34,090
Look, I came in here because I want to pull out of this whole thing.
477
01:05:36,430 --> 01:05:39,430
Oh. Why?
478
01:05:40,410 --> 01:05:42,790
Because I feel like I've gotten all that I can get.
479
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:47,090
And I just wanted to tell you in person.
480
01:05:52,974 --> 01:05:58,454
Well, Christopher, thank you.
I mean you've been a terrific subject.
You really have.
481
01:06:01,794 --> 01:06:07,214
So, um, how will you look back on all of this?
482
01:06:11,253 --> 01:06:17,694
Well, look, I lived my life as a warrior, okay?
I always have. I've always just done it.
483
01:06:17,694 --> 01:06:23,034
But I don't often get a chance to speak with
someone intelligent like yourself about it.
484
01:06:24,034 --> 01:06:29,194
And I'm very grateful to you for that.
It's been very helpful. Thank you.
485
01:06:33,154 --> 01:06:34,774
And your future?
486
01:06:36,434 --> 01:06:43,014
My future? Well, I'm going for it, you know?
I'm an escrow in this small apartment building.
487
01:06:43,014 --> 01:06:49,134
It's got 15 units.
I'm completely outfitted with optical fibers, surveillance cameras.
488
01:06:50,914 --> 01:06:56,274
Look, nobody's getting hurt, okay?
It's for my benefit alone.
There's no harm, there's no foul.
489
01:06:56,514 --> 01:07:01,114
Well, besides the fact that it's *******, I have to ask you why.
490
01:07:02,813 --> 01:07:11,714
Because I've come to realize that my life as a warrior makes me happy.
It's totally sexually satisfying.
491
01:07:18,565 --> 01:07:22,606
So you're just gonna manage these apartments for your life then, huh?
492
01:07:22,646 --> 01:07:23,526
The rest of your life.
493
01:07:28,806 --> 01:07:34,446
Look, I'm gonna be the guy who decides who stays and who goes, okay?
I mean I
494
01:07:34,446 --> 01:07:37,846
could have college girls in one apartment building, I could have lesbians
495
01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:42,386
in another.
You know, I'm gonna have some real variety here.
496
01:07:44,526 --> 01:07:47,286
I mean, come on, I'm set for life.
497
01:07:49,586 --> 01:07:51,706
Set for life? Yeah.
498
01:07:52,286 --> 01:08:00,786
Well? Who's getting hurt?
Who's getting hurt?
Nobody. I'm not hurting anybody, I'm
499
01:08:00,786 --> 01:08:08,866
you know, I'm just uh, I'm just having a little bit of uh,
you know what I'm doing?
500
01:08:10,146 --> 01:08:12,686
I'm giving blood to my fantasies.
501
01:08:14,786 --> 01:08:16,286
There's nothing wrong with that, right?
502
01:08:54,266 --> 01:08:55,566
It was great.
503
01:08:57,806 --> 01:09:00,066
The use of those visual techniques,
504
01:09:02,086 --> 01:09:04,066
the distance between us,
505
01:09:06,266 --> 01:09:08,666
framing the image as much as the reality,
506
01:09:09,566 --> 01:09:10,126
the mirrors,
507
01:09:11,286 --> 01:09:12,466
playing to the image.
508
01:09:13,826 --> 01:09:15,166
They worked really great.
509
01:09:16,886 --> 01:09:17,866
Thank you.
510
01:09:18,686 --> 01:09:20,066
I sense some hesitation.
511
01:09:21,526 --> 01:09:22,046
Well,
512
01:09:23,266 --> 01:09:24,526
it's like anything else.
513
01:09:25,226 --> 01:09:27,686
When we pay attention to it, we do it really well.
514
01:09:29,986 --> 01:09:31,086
But three months from now,
515
01:09:33,085 --> 01:09:34,926
when Judy and I are both very busy,
516
01:09:35,026 --> 01:09:35,746
will it be enough?
517
01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:48,230
You know, with voyeurism it's enough.
It's only me and each time I'm satisfied.
518
01:09:51,010 --> 01:09:58,750
Well, I think you need to take that energy that
you have in your voyeuristic life, and it's a lot of energy,
519
01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:02,630
and you need to redirect it
into your intimate relationship with Judy.
520
01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:08,730
That's the thing, isn't it?
I mean, finally getting to the core issue.
521
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:15,190
Am I willing to put the energy into Judy that
I put into being a voyeur?
522
01:10:20,185 --> 01:10:21,666
Spells it out, doesn't it?
523
01:10:22,906 --> 01:10:23,646
It sure does.
524
01:10:31,265 --> 01:10:32,826
I've decided I'm going to quit being a warrior.
525
01:10:37,626 --> 01:10:38,726
Because?
526
01:10:39,926 --> 01:10:41,186
I'm preoccupied with it.
527
01:10:41,386 --> 01:10:45,186
And there's so much time spent searching for voyeuristic ops, waiting.
528
01:10:46,606 --> 01:10:53,526
It's clear to me that I can't have a serious relationship with anyone.
529
01:10:53,726 --> 01:10:54,246
So I'm going to quit.
530
01:10:55,566 --> 01:10:56,146
Totally.
531
01:10:58,426 --> 01:10:59,006
Totally.
532
01:11:01,046 --> 01:11:02,526
That's very brave of you.
533
01:11:04,026 --> 01:11:05,446
I don't think I have a choice.
534
01:11:06,626 --> 01:11:10,746
I don't know if I want to have a lasting relationship with a woman.
535
01:11:14,669 --> 01:11:16,590
Well, I wish you the best of luck.
536
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:20,690
Thanks. It's been interesting.
537
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:21,970
Yeah, thank you.
538
01:14:29,146 --> 01:14:33,586
Well, I pretty much stopped doing what I used to do.
539
01:14:34,966 --> 01:14:40,126
And I've been dating a woman, Talia,
for the last five months.
540
01:14:42,785 --> 01:14:45,385
And we're having a really good time.
541
01:14:50,493 --> 01:14:56,794
Sex is a little weird, you know,
another person and everything, but it's really good.
542
01:15:08,237 --> 01:15:10,618
Everything went fine with Judy and I for a while.
543
01:15:11,438 --> 01:15:14,178
I mean, I really didn't do any voyeur stuff at all.
544
01:15:15,518 --> 01:15:17,918
Occasionally I went up on some internet sites.
545
01:15:19,098 --> 01:15:20,278
They were pretty amazing.
546
01:15:23,077 --> 01:15:25,258
Then things sort of petered out with Judy.
547
01:15:25,978 --> 01:15:26,638
I don't know.
548
01:15:27,478 --> 01:15:29,098
I don't know what happened really.
549
01:15:30,218 --> 01:15:31,398
We stopped having sex.
550
01:15:33,098 --> 01:15:34,118
It was fucked.
551
01:15:37,578 --> 01:15:40,298
Then we went to couples therapy and that sucked.
552
01:15:42,578 --> 01:15:44,118
Then we started working at it again.
553
01:15:45,538 --> 01:15:47,318
And it's good now.
554
01:15:49,298 --> 01:15:50,618
It really is.
555
01:15:52,758 --> 01:15:54,458
It takes a lot of work.
556
01:15:55,878 --> 01:15:57,258
So much work.
557
01:16:03,818 --> 01:16:04,878
I'm happy now.
558
01:16:10,406 --> 01:16:13,886
Alright, this is Christopher,
I'm in Lompoc State Penal Facility.
559
01:16:14,126 --> 01:16:22,206
I'm here for 7,5 to *******s for invasion of privacy, mental distress,
and a whole lot of other trumped up bullshit charges.
560
01:16:23,886 --> 01:16:26,666
Short strokes, I got busted.
561
01:16:27,866 --> 01:16:29,486
And it fucking sucks.
562
01:16:35,258 --> 01:16:46,098
That night when I saw that menage a trois,
it was a watershed event in my life.
563
01:16:52,058 --> 01:16:58,418
From that moment, I became a voyeur.
564
01:17:00,618 --> 01:17:02,658
An obsessed voyeur.
565
01:17:06,298 --> 01:17:17,278
Suddenly my life...
I just focused on finding situations where I could...
where I
566
01:17:17,278 --> 01:17:22,898
could *** on people and... and masturbate.
567
01:17:36,986 --> 01:17:46,406
I tried to have a normal relationship with this guy,
this terrific guy named Richard.
568
01:17:53,562 --> 01:18:04,362
I couldn't do it. It wouldn't work.
My mind was with my telescope or driving around.
569
01:18:07,674 --> 01:18:12,894
I would find hotel rooms that had...
570
01:18:14,454 --> 01:18:19,914
that had apartments across the street so that...
571
01:18:20,674 --> 01:18:23,314
so that I could set up my telescope.
572
01:18:29,306 --> 01:18:38,046
And then one day I was cruising in Beverly Hills adjacent.
I had a lot of
573
01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:46,606
luck there. I came up with my own system.
I'd shoot with a digital camera and then
574
01:18:46,606 --> 01:18:53,126
I put them up on my computer.
It delayed the sexual satisfaction.
It
575
01:18:53,905 --> 01:18:55,926
extended the exquisite tension.
576
01:18:55,926 --> 01:19:07,486
And I could see.
I could see into a bedroom.
A man was handcuffing a naked
577
01:19:07,486 --> 01:19:14,306
woman's wrists to a bedpost and
he was putting a blindfold on her.
578
01:19:17,926 --> 01:19:21,206
This was the most exciting thing that I had ever seen.
579
01:20:59,514 --> 01:21:02,194
Almost getting caught scared me.
580
01:21:03,814 --> 01:21:05,194
It scared me a lot.
581
01:21:07,854 --> 01:21:11,354
So I went into therapy and stopped being a voyeur.
582
01:21:13,254 --> 01:21:13,814
Totally.
583
01:21:15,274 --> 01:21:21,794
I figured I was happy before the whole thing,
so why couldn't I be happy again?
584
01:21:26,458 --> 01:21:30,718
I knew what Stephen K meant when he said addiction.
585
01:21:35,453 --> 01:21:39,574
There's nothing inherently wrong with being a voyeur,
as long as there are no victims,
586
01:21:39,854 --> 01:21:42,094
as long as your life is in proper balance.
587
01:21:44,953 --> 01:21:48,674
But I went a little overboard, to say the least.
588
01:21:54,337 --> 01:22:03,838
I've been dating. He's a terrific guy.
It's been going really well.
I'm not gonna say
589
01:22:03,838 --> 01:22:08,758
that I don't miss the rush,
but it's an even better rush being in a loving relationship.52405
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