Original subtitles

[Music]

he was kind thoughtful friendly

pathological liar at the time when would

have said an answer to prayer just what

we needed access to death dealing drugs

already well-managed and very apply

perfect predator good company outside an

extremely popular with everybody for

whom trust of the victims it was a nice

guy he was a good guy

perfect killing machine

[Music]

[Music]

his patients were mainly elderly women

living alone and vulnerable they adored

their doctor Harold Fred Shipman and

even when their contemporaries began

dying in unusually high numbers patients

remained loyal the number of patients

that dr. Shipman murdered is still

unknown but his murderous roll call

eclipses the toll of any other serial

killer caught today did events in his

life turn him to murder or more simply

was Harold Shipman born to kill our

Frederick Shipman is an interesting case

to examine the very remarkable nature of

his case is the fact that he was not

remarkable we could say he can't be a

killer because he's a bit like us Harold

Shipman fitted in with society to a

great degree and this was the very

important feature which made it possible

for him to go on and on to be one of the

most prolific serial killers of all time

for his victims death came in the

afternoon but for Harold Frederick

Shipman it came in the early hours of

the morning at Wakefield prison on

Tuesday the 13th of January 2004

prisoner CJ 8 199 the expert in death

had timed his final act well he was

beyond saving he had been alive at 5

a.m. when the last check was made on him

and he knew the next check was not for

another hour as a doctor he also knew

that 4 minutes was the maximum time he

needed what he is done is he's taken to

his grave the reason and the motivation

behind his killing when left everybody

guessing in relation to Dutton sort of

perplexed forevermore

his suicide caused shockwaves through

Hyde the town in Greater Manchester

where most of his victims and their

families lived Hyde was such a lovely

town it was a proper old-fashioned

traditional community where sons and

daughter still lived on their the

parent's doorsteps and they all live

near each of the male understood each

other it was a very close community with

a warm heart

so for shipment to be able to kill so

many people in such a small safe

community was doubly devastating over

the years doctors funeral directors and

even pharmacists had raised suspicions

about dr. Shipman but such worries were

swept under the carpet I found out that

the police had actually investigated

Shipman before in March 1998 and quite

soon after breaking the story I spoke to

dr. Linda Reynolds and she was the GP

who courageously went to the local

coroner John Pollard and told him that

she was worried that Shipman had killed

his patients on that basis I then

instructed the police to make an

investigation and that is what has now

been referred to as the failed

investigation because the police came

back to me about a fortnight later and

said they'd investigated and quite

frankly they could find nothing wrong

the fact is they came back to dr. Linda

Reynolds and told us she was mistaken

that Shipman was a a pillar of the

community and you know she must be

careful what she's saying about such

people and Shipman went on to kill three

more women after that

dr. Shipman might have carried on

killing for years if it had not been for

the suspicious death of Kathleen Grundy

on the 24th of June 1998 the last person

to see her alive was dr. Harold Shipman

when he'd gone to her home to take

routine blood samples when Kathleen

Grundy died she left her will that will

was made out in favor of dr. Shipman but

her daughter Angela Woodruff I got this

copy of a will and she was absolutely

astonished because if you look at the

actual will is so amateur if you would

have formed your will then you've got

about 210 for forgery he simply wasn't

very good Kathleen grandees daughter

believed that the signature was not

actually her mother's so consequently

the document needed to be examined

[Music]

the officer who was given the case to

handle started on to a couple of people

he knew one of them being the local

Undertaker Allen Massey who said well

I've been really worried about the

number of Commission certificates of

mentioned to people who thought they'd

taken no interest but there's so many of

them

there was the fact that Shipman's

fingerprint appeared on the will when in

actual fact in interview Shipman denied

that he had ever seen the world the fact

that shipment actually on the typewriter

that the will had been typed on and that

an interview he suggested that mrs.

Grundy used to borrow the typewriter but

he couldn't suggest to us who had

returned it to him after the will have

been prepared it was decided that

Kathleen's body needed to be exhumed and

forensic ly examined to discover the

true cause of her death the

investigation into cufflink Ramdas death

was undertaken in the knowledge that

there had been an earlier investigation

into dr. Shipman's activities that had

involved 19 deaths about a fortnight

into the inquiry there was interest from

a local newspaper my news desk that much

TV news was tipped off about the death

of Kathleen Grundy and the fact the

police were investigating her GP I rang

the police and they didn't want to

comment any further the police decided

that the families of the 19 people who

died should become aware of the

reinvestigation before the story broke I

then went into Hyde to find out more

about the case from people who knew

Kathleen Grundy almost immediately I

bumped into two old ladies and they said

oh you mean dr. death there and I said I

beg your pardon and they said well they

say is a good doctor but you don't last

lots of our ladies have died with dr.

Shipman

family members then told us very similar

stories to the story that we had already

uncovered in relation to Kathleen

Grande's that is when I started to

realize that this was much bigger than

one death that dr. Shipman had been

involved in

[Music]

we carried out the exhumation and a

pathologist actually performed a

post-mortem shipment of course had

certified the death at the times had

occurred to be an old age he could not

confirm the cause of death that shipment

of pot and consequently we sent samples

off for analysis

there were levels of morphine in the

body of the deceased which were

sufficient to have led to her death of

course mrs. Grande had not been

suffering from any serious illnesses

that require to be administered

diamorphine at that stage I was totally

convinced that they were on to someone

here who had committed many heinous

crimes the community were absolutely

wholeheartedly behind dot Shipman at

this point he'd he'd groomed that

community so that they truly believed in

him and thought that he was looking

after them when in fact he was killing

them by the hundred what we call the

category of less than dead in other

words the kind of people that if they

passed away you don't actually notice so

well they're not the kind of people are

going to cause a big fuss because almost

it's expected and in fact concert of

most serial killers he's one of the few

people who could probably get the

relatives or the council to take away

the body for him the way in which the

victims were found was in itself quite

disturbing many of them were found fully

clothed in the middle of the data I'm

often sitting upright in a chair or on a

sofa some of those cases Shipman had

actually certified on the cremation form

that he'd carried out a full external

examination of the body and yet the

victim was still sitting there fully

clothed shoes on you notice the sleeves

buttoned down to the wrist dresses that

button to the neck well how you can

carry out a full external investigation

in those circumstances I just don't

understand

[Music]

often in the medical notes which he'd

made up suggesting that these people had

had hot conditions for example when they

haven't really and then saying well they

must have had a heart attack of course

somebody having a heart attack

doesn't just simply fall asleep sitting

in a chair looking very relaxed life

just isn't like that police investigated

Shipman's book of death certificates

they made a list of 15 deaths that they

decided should be investigated as a

priority of the victims on this list

nine had been buried and six cremated

more excavations were ordered police

also learned that dr. Shipman had often

encouraged the relatives of his victims

towards cremation in each of the

exhumations that took place tests were

carried out and in most of those

morphine was discovered in the body and

that led to a prosecution in relation to

that death the police inquiry would also

reveal Shipman's modus operandi he would

often kill his victims most of whom were

elderly with an injection of morphine

and then returned to his office to

falsify their medical records on his

computer to exaggerate their poor health

in the case of Kathleen Grundy he had

back dated several entries to suggest

she had become addicted to morphine the

thought of an 8 2 year old former Lady

Mayoress of the town of Hyde scoring

bags of heroin in the back streets of

Manchester seems to meet ludicrous and

ridiculous and the gross insult to her

memory quite frankly being a GP placed

how Shipman in a position where in

public he can actually carry out the

very activities in private he wished to

carry out and actually project them in

the community and wander around the

community

and Nikki quite clear to people that you

know I am a great doctor on the 7th of

September 1998 Shipman was arrested on

suspicion of murder who was the real dr.

Shipman what made him a monster in order

to actually find out about this actual

behavior and how it developed we have to

look back in time very closely at his

childhood even beyond in September 1998

Harold Shipman was convicted for 15

murders the Shipman inquiry now

documents that he killed 284 people over

a period of 30 years before he aroused

suspicion however no one really knows

the true number of his victims

the shipment case is unusual there was

no highly publicized trail of bodies no

madman on the loose until Shipman was

arrested in connection with the Kathleen

Grundy case no one could have known just

how many murders had taken place if we

wish to find out where the Harold

Shipman was in fact born to kill we need

to examine early childhood looking for

patterns of behavior which would

indicate that they carry traits that

their temperament is different with

Harold we realized that on the surface

he seems like a very ordinary childhood

a very ordinary background but if we dig

deeper we know that there are going to

be clues as to why he ended up where he

did Harold Frederick Shipman nicknamed

Fred or Freddy was born into a

working-class family On June the 14th

1946 in Nottingham he was a distant and

slightly aloof child

maintaining a distance between himself

and his contemporaries mainly due to the

influence of his mother Vera

I think his mother certainly encouraged

him to the but the path of righteousness

but she thought fred was special she

wanted him to be special and now he was

the middle child

the elder sister Pauline a left school

of 15 was no great academic his brother

Clive wasn't as bright a younger brother

however Fred brought him in a decent and

fairly new council estate in Nottingham

passes 11 plus they got into the local

Grammar School have headman's which was

extremely prestigious to do so he

studied hard

he didn't mix very much with local kids

and his parents like my parents like

lots and lots of other working-class

parents would it would have been so

proud our boys going to the grammar

school

Shipman's school days at high pavement

were largely unspectacular like so many

other grammar school entrance he went

from being one of the bright kids at

junior school to being run-of-the-mill

among so many other clever boys fred was

very serious I think it may be that he

had to work harder than that the most I

know he had a real respect for his

family I think he thought that they'd

made an effort his parents have made

Russell sacrifice

his mother really didn't want Fred to be

as it were in this area have the same

kind of career as other boys and having

him focus exclusively on his studies

meant that fred was not really

integrated into the real world and he

was allowed to build up fantasies

fantasies of power and fantasies that

perhaps might have had a sexual

connotation because fred was not really

allowed to develop socially and sexually

normally vera decided who fred could

play with and when she wanted to

distinguish him from other boys she was

more ambitious for Harold than her other

children perhaps because he seemed more

much mature he seemed that much older

and when certain incidents that occurred

at school which perhaps hadn't been

anybody else you'd had a good laugh and

he had a bed and pay for it with Freddy

didn't one of the best examples of that

is this I would become dancers that that

we had he turned his sister and they

used to dance together and there's

strangely uncoordinated way totally

different and I think she was taller

than him as well

we just respected him in strange

the fact that Fred got respect from his

friends is a little bit surprising

because of his social alienation

however by playing it by the rules by

creating an act Fred just simply

coexisted with these people and formed

no real problem in relating to other

people so he was able if it were as it

were just to slot in he didn't really

have any difficulty because he didn't

create any difficulty on Friday the 21st

of June 1960 when Fred was just 17 his

mother Vera died of lung cancer an

illness that he had kept strangely

secret from his classmates the family GP

visited the house regularly in the weeks

before Vera's death giving her welcome

injections of morphine in ever

decreasing dosages he met schoolmate

Michael Heath on his way to school the

following Monday morning when he told

him his tragic news

most days Fred will be coming along

along the road here from his house and

we'll meet at the bottom of the road

here and we'd stop here and just say a

few words and then we'd walk walk on to

the school

he was on one of those there's morning's

about Monday morning when I met him at

the point just there and just asked him

are we we can just have him he was then

he said my mama died his mama died

you know quite a shock right Fred never

said anything to me

other than once on a bus I seem to

remember him saying my mum's not very

well but that could have been that she

got a cold from Thomas been terrible

well what did you do how did you cope

and he said to her my dear on went for a

run and he ran pouring rain so he must

be absolutely saturated he grieved in a

very strange way he run for months and

months

all through the night in the school

running shorts and t-shirts and it was

quite an amazing thing

he just seemed the same as he did any

other day but he must have been going

through hell for weeks months before

Fred will be the one who sat with her

and waited for the doctor to come round

and he give her an injection of morphine

he was at her bedside when she died and

that was a moment that obviously

impacted on him gravely here's a school

gate

mock what was the score there's 10

minutes on on that particular morning

that he told me that it was not my

diamond awkward to say the least and I

must admit when when we arrived he was a

bit of a relief trust again foreign

separate ways

it's interesting that he'd shown no

interest in medicine or said he wanted

to be a doctor until after his mother

passed away many had drawn the

comparison between Fred's experience of

his mother dying under morphine and his

later use of morphine to actually

execute the old ladies now there has to

be a connection and very few people have

actually drawn why one leads to the

other if you look back in Fred's history

he constantly used exercise exercise

generates what we call endorphins

endorphins are extremely powerful

opiates a hundred sometimes a thousand

times more powerful than heroin now fred

was a customer-service if you like when

his mother passed away he experienced

what many people experienced when a

family member finally passes away after

a grueling period he felt relief he felt

a certain lift and this experience was

then compounded because he went out for

whatever reason and ran all night and

that extra opiate running around his

body will have given fred are you for it

hi

hence this situation was likely to be

repeated and give him pleasure in the

future fred failed to get the grades he

needed to study medicine at leeds

medical school common with many serial

killers with lower self-esteem they

always aspire to be better than they

want to be up with their peers you know

they they envy their peers Kenneth

Bianchi the other side surrounded always

wanted to be a cop everybody all his

schoolmates are all succeeding around

him with good grades he was a failure

they're always grabbing to get out

scrabbling to get somewhere after

resetting his exams the following year

he was eventually accepted into Leeds

Medical School in 1965

did Shipman decide to become a doctor to

save people or to have the power to kill

them Shipman first went to Leeds he

regularly got a bus into Leeds every

morning and done months and thus where

there was a young girl called Primrose

Knox to be who I Chapman married and

rather our sphere of bringing she left

school at 15 without any qualifications

and she got on to an art and design

course at ecology means and on that bus

it was a very good looking at the time

she had mana and they're headed off but

very quickly after meeting after about

six months she was pregnant Shipman was

careless reckless for the first time in

his life there's not married at a

Register Office there isn't even a

photograph in existence of their wedding

Shipman qualified from Leeds Medical

University and went on to Pontefract

General Infirmary to train as a junior

doctor after 12 months he was duly

licensed to practice medicine according

to the Shipman inquiry this was where

his first recorded murder took place the

Shipman inquiry found that he killed a

four-year-old girl for example and and

she was very very ill and and dying and

her mother left the room saying please

be kind to her and he thought that as

his cue to kill her he might have

pretended that that was euthanasia and

that he was doing that child a favor

but he wasn't because that child didn't

die in her mother's arms her mother was

having a cup of tea in the hospital cafe

so I think even then he had a very cruel

streak that wanted to end lives come

what may it is absolutely uncertain

exactly where Harold Shipman began to

kill people it may have been the case of

the four-year-old girl but we do know

that as he approached that time Harold

will have had some swelling and some

strangely unexplicable pleasurable

feelings that were probably associated

with the event with his mother

and he would suddenly start to feel he

was in that powerful role that

controller of life and death in a right

way

it harks back to that very moment when

he thought he should be that GP by his

mother's bedside

by 1974 he was a father of two and had

joined a medical practice in the

Yorkshire town of Todmorden

in this North English setting Fred

seemed to change character

he became an outgoing respected member

of the community in the eyes of his

fellow medics and patients below him

into general practice as a junior

partner was clearly very attractive and

he went and worked at the air broom

omerod practice in document where there

was illness among the partners and dr.

Michael grieve welcomed him with open

arms

he was extremely good almost manic in

the way he carried out his duties and

brought us all the latest techniques and

kept us very much up to the mark he was

really you know at the time when would

have said an answer to prayer just what

we needed

the doctors did not choose their

patients the patients chose the doctor

that they liked and Fred had quite a

devoted following who felt that he was

the bee's knees and would do the best

for them in all circumstances Harold

Shipman underwent a metamorphosis he

changed from being their very a social

mummys boy who didn't really get on very

well with people into a GP who would

establish himself in this area and find

that suddenly he could relate to people

and grow if you like as a pillar of the

community

however Harold Shipman did have a

different agenda but the staff in the

medical offices where he worked saw a

different side of the young practitioner

he wouldn't delegate he wouldn't let the

nurses give injections for him for

instance he wouldn't let the pathology

technicians when they came out once a

week to take blood samples for patients

now Fred would insist on doing all these

himself

nobody had any idea that he was guilty

of any kind of malpractice

although would emerge later in Todmorden

that those innocence were three passions

of his died in one day and for a long

time one of them Eva Lyons was thought

to be his very first victim

[Music]

but the village doctor wasn't as perfect

as the fellow GPS thought it was

discovered that he had a drug addiction

[Music]

one of the other doctors in the practice

happened to be in the pharmacist and

shield the bottom surgery collisional

and there were scores of entries and he

amassed huge amounts of better day

cleanly not for patients but for himself

where he said he was addicted to

president because they were told you

shouldn't give your patient anything

that you haven't tried yourself and

finding that it sustained him in his

manic state he was quite mannequin what

he would do he take on these enormous

loads and get through them and perhaps

the pethidine was not enabled him to do

it and he was so sorry friend you have

to go well he booted his medical bag

across the surgery table and off he went

he thought that I was the devil

incarnate and I never spoke to him again

[Music]

at that point when a serial killer is

confronted with the obvious they retreat

either with the excuse societies fitted

me up it's not my fault all they explode

and that's what Shipman was basically

doing how dare these little doctors

these little people these these people

that lower them he how dare they

question me how dare they because he

believes he's got this thing how dare

these people are much lower than me my

mother's always taught me this way how

dare they interrogate me who are they

Shipman was ultimately forced out of the

practice and into a York drug

rehabilitation centre in 1975 two years

later his many convictions for drug

offences prescription fraud and forgery

cost him a surprisingly low fine of 600

pounds after about a year or so he saw

an advert for a junior partner in a

practice and hard and the apart for it

and when he went there he was totally

open about his previous drug habit since

a look completely clean I was under

enormous stress the General Medical

Council is gone to a memory to carry on

working as a doctor and I'd love another

chance and they believed him and took

him in

in 1977 he was accepted to practice in

the Donnybrook Medical Center in Hyde

and it was here that he felt free to

kill you know highs not very big town

and obviously we had a shot we knew lots

of people that were Fred's patients and

everybody seemed to have the same

opinion that who was a caring guy you

know he just seemed a normal guy again

he played the role of the dedicated

hard-working and community minded doctor

highly respected in the area and making

many friends we went to couple of social

functions with them there were good

company outside and extremely popular

with everybody that was there give him

the impression the guy was just a normal

guy you know Howard Shipman found it

very much more comfortable to kill and

be in hide and hide was a fairly small

naive community where he would be

accepted this you know tweed wearing

friendly local GP character Harold

Shipman had had what we call career

development as a killer he had actually

developed as a killer to the stage of

being dr. Dodd

think shipment went into single-handed

practiced purely to continue killing

clearly if he worked on his own nobody

would know exactly what he was up to

most times he was okay but the uptime he

was a bit off office so you know you

tend to wonder what were those days were

those days maybe when something happened

you don't know it makes you think

because of the nature of the shipment

case it may never be possible to

document the exact number of murders he

committed the number and patterns of

deaths in dr. Shipman's practice was

examined when it was compared with those

of other practitioners significant

differences appeared notably that the

rate of deaths of elderly patients was

disproportionately high other variations

appeared deaths were often clustered at

certain times of the day patients

records and previous symptoms were

mismatched and dr. Shipman was usually

in attendance

the question remains why wasn't he

stopped earlier in order to ascertain

why Harold did what he did you have to

examine those little chinks

those flaws that show a glimmer under

the surface of this projection as the

good doctor as the average man as little

doubt that some oh their lives to a

determined and intelligent woman named

Angela Woodruff

determination to solve a mystery about

her mother's will helped ensure that on

Monday the 31st of January 2000 the jury

at Preston Crown Court found Shipman

guilty of murdering fifteen of his

patients and forging the will of

Angela's beloved mother Kathleen Grundy

it's difficult to believe that we were

friends with Fred Shipman he was one of

the biggest serial killers in Great

Britain but when he's such a normal guy

he just fooled everybody

you shouldn't be playing God anyway

nobody should be doing many of his

victims lived on their own a lot of them

used to regard his visits to them as

being something to look forward to there

were many instances of them being

dressed in their best clothes as if they

were getting a visitor and it was

something to look forward to and

therefore you know let's put on

something nice because the doctor is

coming to visit that was all part of

this great power trip that he was on

that their last words would have been

thank you doctor mistake number one

Shipman's use of the drug morphine

morphine is one of the few poisons that

can remain in body tissues for centuries

there are other substances which he

could have used which would have been

had a less trace of law or even not

traceable at all within the body why he

chose to use diamorphine I don't know

one reason might be that he was simply

not quite as clever as he thought he was

and didn't realize that it would be so

traceable so easily the other reason may

be that he actually was quite willing

and wanted to be found out at some stage

mistake number two the typewriter and

the badly forged will

so when Shipman murder mrs. Grundy and

the forged a will what was happening did

he want to get caught was he looking for

a way out so what

having killed 283 people we came in he

comes to Catherine Grundy

well I nobody's fair game he's not being

found out so far so far even though he

most certainly should have been but the

fact is he was a hospital doctor and a

GP who was never challenged I was very

surprised to see that whale and what a

mess it was so I think at that point

maybe you wanted to get caught on the

other hand maybe he felt invincible I

[Music]

think that Harold was becoming a little

bit paranoid as to whether he was in

safe territory and he was testing the

ground to find out whether or not people

were suspicious of him and also to prove

to himself that he could talk his way

out of this amongst these people that

were is intellectual inferiors his

actual reason for doing it I'm not sure

I must be honest I really don't know

I think he expected to set the world on

fire but instead he faced a series of

setbacks he got Primrose pregnant while

he was a medical student he became

addicted to Pasadena and was caught so

in the end he was quite disappointed

with what he appeared to be

he was quite small and lowly and quite a

small man and I think that

disappointment fueled an anger

and an addiction to killing certainly

there is a grandiosity involved he acted

like a Supreme Being a god-like figure

who clearly had the power of a life and

death and he chose to kill people at a

time when he wanted to kill them so why

did he kill some speculate he hated

older women citing comments he made

about the elderly being a drain on the

health system others feel he was

recreating his mother's death scene in

order to satisfy some deep masochistic

need

I think his mother's death informed the

murders and gave him a theme but I don't

think it's the reason and a lot of

people lose their mothers when the

teenagers to cruel and painful diseases

and we don't all go out and start

killing hundreds of people I think he

had a personality disorder to start with

but the fact that his mother used to

wait for him to return from school

sitting in the window with a cup of tea

and the doctor would turn up and give

her a morphine and that was her relief

from the terrible pain of the cancer I

think that was very important to him

when he did start killing the first time

that Harold Shipman actually killed

someone it is probable that in his mind

there was rising pleasure associated

with the incidence of his mother's death

at that point he will have felt a

certain amount of power and control and

a certain calmness associated with the

euphoria with his mother and this would

have been rewarding enough to propel him

forward but I'd feel that that form of

euphoria in contrast to many other

serial killers would have died out

fairly quickly after the incident

[Music]

despite overwhelming evidence of his

guilt Harold Shipman continued to

maintain his innocence and shield the

motives of his crime even in prison the

when Fred first went into prison and I

started to correspond with him because

you know she firmly believed he was

innocent

there are roundabout 25 letters which

were written in all the letters there's

obviously no reference to the fact that

he's admitting to anything at all he was

definitely trying to keep as much

normality about his actions as he

possibly could so that anything that

people might come up with about what

he's supposed to have done seeing

totally illogical pins warehouse roll

the sleeve administered morphine killed

them

that's what happened business in dr.

Harold always maintained his innocence

to me it never once as far as I know to

evil to me or any of the other prisoners

admits the guilt of actually merging any

of the patients

the levels social this woman actually

died toxicity of morphine not as you

wrongly diagnosed in play speaking no

when dr. was finally convicted my wife

was very upset and I said well there's

only one thing you can do and you can't

write to the guy I said I think you know

judging by the amount of evidence has

been put forward and the time it's take

and I said I think it's pretty

conclusive that he is guilty I remember

when the first tried charging him for

children 18 murders on top of what they

already accused him of that was the

first are their assertion Ameria so the

sewage trial on what was going on I

remember when he came back from courts I

just broke down in tears and was

explained to me what I've gone and he

said the channel opinion or 218 murders

on cell phonee I thought I don't know

where it's coming from or whether

getting the evidence from or anything

you know where they getting these

stories used to scold them um that was

the first time that's the sinner

reaction from him you smash yourself

basically

he loves Oakland Harold Shipman never

admitted to his crimes not to prison

waters not to prison inmates Harold

Shipman maintained the act that he'd

started in childhood where he as it were

acted out the role of a social person

where he acted out the role of the good

doctor he could not at the end of his

existence changed that because if he had

admitted that he had done this he would

unpick and undo the fabric of his entire

life which was built on a facade in an

extraordinary turn of tables Shipman

saved his cellmates life I saw scared of

bein in a cell with dr. Shipman because

of the reputation the rest of the

prisoners used to as you say to me that

sir not so who's that doctors killed all

patience on I mean I was in fear from

your life so much so I attempted to save

me on life himself because I was a I was

that much scared light I mean he called

me down and it saved me

well after that we seem to get on pretty

well maybe you saw intent on murder and

that was his pleasure why didn't he

leave me to die Shipman had a particular

victim type with a method of killing

them that he was comfortable with in

locations again either the victims

territory or summer where he was in

control the guy he revived was most

certainly not sick in the clinical sense

he was not the preferred victim type of

shipment and I think Shipman probably

did then the only decent thing he'd ever

did it's becoming a doctor instead of

taking lives he saved one I'm still

confused because like I can't understand

as a nun such as Harold that like I said

to me he's a friend

ow he could have gone about doing it all

those people

I mean hey it's not something I mean

it's not a natural thing is it's a human

life to many of dr. Shipman's victims

his suicide is a final betrayal not only

did he kill their loved ones but he

escaped the punishment of spending the

rest of his natural life in prison I

think Fred planned his suicide I think

he knew exactly what he was doing

I think he knew about the fact that

primrose would be financially better off

if he died before a certain age he made

sure primrose as well looked after and

again he was winning the game and he

he was beating the authorities not only

that he was taking his secrets to the

grave I think one of the main issues

with regard to our shipment was that he

was a doctor and we all learned from a

very early age that doctors are to be

trusted

from the evidence we have the question

is was Harold Shipman born to kill when

we look back at his early life we see a

trait that seems to run through that

trait seems to make him objectify people

stops him feeling the feelings of others

in the way that we do and call empathy

he also seems to have prevented him from

normal childhood development to created

a world of fantasy to actually have led

and helped certain incidences in his

life where he adopted the role of a GP

of a trusted person who then went on to

kill people rather than prolong their

lives yes it would seem that without

that early characteristic none of the

other events would have had sufficient

impact to actually lead to that line of

behavior therefore it would seem that

how Shipman was in fact born to kill

and I feel towards him now indifferent

[Music]

you

[Music]

you

[Music]