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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,005 --> 00:00:12,350 50% of US marriages end in a divorce. 2 00:00:15,050 --> 00:00:19,548 Divorce is more than a 50 billion dollar a year industry. 3 00:00:20,867 --> 00:00:23,386 This is why 4 00:00:23,457 --> 00:00:26,426 People get married, they get divorced. 5 00:00:26,426 --> 00:00:30,340 Since I started in 1949, when I passed a wedding, 6 00:00:30,631 --> 00:00:33,137 I'd think to myself, "That's inventory." 7 00:00:36,481 --> 00:00:38,410 The statistics are that more money passes 8 00:00:38,741 --> 00:00:41,152 through family law court than all the other courts combined. 9 00:00:45,145 --> 00:00:47,165 The more you charge, the more people are willing to pay, 10 00:00:47,454 --> 00:00:51,016 because they feel that money equals skill. 11 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:55,828 You know, we aren't much different from any other 12 00:00:56,022 --> 00:00:59,817 segment of society, in terms of money calling the shots. 13 00:01:02,862 --> 00:01:06,069 I've had cases where they've spent $20 million in fees. 14 00:01:09,790 --> 00:01:11,828 The real standard is how much money can we make 15 00:01:11,996 --> 00:01:15,146 off these people. That's the standard. 16 00:01:16,906 --> 00:01:20,953 There's an expression that people can get as much justice 17 00:01:21,137 --> 00:01:24,958 as they can afford and that most people cannot 18 00:01:25,134 --> 00:01:27,029 afford any justice at all. 19 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:31,550 What's wrong with that? It's a business. 20 00:01:32,370 --> 00:01:35,261 This is a business. This is not social services. 21 00:01:37,586 --> 00:01:43,529 DIVORCE CORP. 22 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:53,160 People thought we were crazy, 23 00:01:53,443 --> 00:01:55,250 getting married after just three months of dating, 24 00:01:55,556 --> 00:01:58,896 but she had children from another marriage 25 00:01:58,885 --> 00:02:01,421 and I had my son from a previous marriage 26 00:02:01,421 --> 00:02:03,156 and we just thought, you know, this would be a great way 27 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:04,758 that we could combine our families 28 00:02:04,758 --> 00:02:07,127 and raise all these children together 29 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,363 and we were like the Brady Bunch. 30 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:11,836 People called us the Byron Bunch. 31 00:02:13,367 --> 00:02:14,735 I just couldn't have been happier. 32 00:02:14,735 --> 00:02:16,303 I've got this wonderful new wife and a new family 33 00:02:16,303 --> 00:02:17,771 that we're starting together. 34 00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:20,531 For whatever reason, it just didn't work out. 35 00:02:22,042 --> 00:02:24,945 The biggest single reason for divorce in this country 36 00:02:24,945 --> 00:02:27,114 is marriage. 37 00:02:27,114 --> 00:02:30,650 Each year, about 4 million people get married in the US. 38 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:32,886 Although some people plan for months, 39 00:02:32,886 --> 00:02:36,423 a basic marriage ceremony can be completed in ten minutes. 40 00:02:36,423 --> 00:02:38,592 All that's really required is proof of age 41 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:41,695 and a $50 fee for a marriage license, 42 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:44,765 but getting divorced is far from easy. 43 00:02:44,765 --> 00:02:47,234 Litigation lasted for over a year. 44 00:02:47,234 --> 00:02:50,604 17 months for a 23 month marriage. 45 00:02:50,604 --> 00:02:52,039 We were only married for a year. 46 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:55,442 We've been going through our divorce for a year and a half now. 47 00:02:55,442 --> 00:02:57,644 I was married only four months 48 00:02:57,644 --> 00:03:01,481 and my divorce has lasted now over six and a half years. 49 00:03:01,615 --> 00:03:03,917 I'll be close to eight years. 50 00:03:03,917 --> 00:03:05,365 Eight years. 51 00:03:07,154 --> 00:03:09,956 Why is divorce so difficult? 52 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:15,596 Marriage in the US was once considered 53 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:16,857 a lifetime commitment. 54 00:03:17,173 --> 00:03:19,966 A divorce was something that regular folks just didn't do. 55 00:03:19,966 --> 00:03:23,470 Back then, divorce was considered dirty, 56 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:25,472 both for the people getting a divorce 57 00:03:25,472 --> 00:03:27,745 and for the lawyers handling it. 58 00:03:28,575 --> 00:03:30,944 There could not be a divorce unless there was fault. 59 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:34,414 Fault usually was either adultery or cruelty, 60 00:03:34,414 --> 00:03:36,817 which was the word for abuse. 61 00:03:36,817 --> 00:03:38,852 But the feminist movement of the 1960s began 62 00:03:38,852 --> 00:03:41,221 to change the way Americans viewed women in the home 63 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:43,724 and in the workplace. 64 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:46,293 Activists considered marriage a low-paying job, 65 00:03:46,293 --> 00:03:48,895 a trap that you couldn't escape. 66 00:03:50,257 --> 00:03:52,768 Because proving fault created such a barrier to divorce, 67 00:03:52,866 --> 00:03:56,036 in 1969 then governor of California, Ronald Reagan, 68 00:03:56,036 --> 00:03:58,572 responded to increasing political pressure 69 00:03:58,572 --> 00:04:02,609 by signing the first no-fault divorce act. 70 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:06,079 The concept quickly spread to most of the other 49 states. 71 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:08,949 The divorce revolution, the great increase in divorce 72 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:11,318 that happened in the 70s, happened in part 73 00:04:11,318 --> 00:04:14,287 because of no-fault. 74 00:04:14,287 --> 00:04:16,923 Although no-fault laws made it easier to file for divorce, 75 00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:19,860 they didn't make it easier to complete a divorce. 76 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:21,862 Even if your spouse is in total agreement 77 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:24,030 and wants to end things on a happy note, 78 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:26,766 you need the approval of a family court, 79 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,803 presided over by a family court judge. 80 00:04:29,803 --> 00:04:32,205 But family courts can be like the wild west, 81 00:04:32,205 --> 00:04:35,375 because certain rights provided by the US Constitution 82 00:04:35,375 --> 00:04:38,111 do not apply in family court. 83 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:40,859 The Constitution states that you're entitled to a trial 84 00:04:40,975 --> 00:04:43,817 by jury and an attorney if you can't afford one. 85 00:04:43,817 --> 00:04:45,952 All kinds of basic mechanisms that exist 86 00:04:45,952 --> 00:04:48,455 in the criminal and civil courts in this country 87 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:50,824 don't exist in the family courts. 88 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:53,460 The family courts call themselves courts of equity, 89 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:55,228 not courts of law. 90 00:04:55,228 --> 00:04:56,396 Although it's not written anywhere 91 00:04:56,396 --> 00:04:58,632 in our federal or state constitutions, 92 00:04:58,632 --> 00:05:02,381 family courts have given themselves a pass on juries. 93 00:05:03,246 --> 00:05:04,518 Juries keep you keep you honest, 94 00:05:05,032 --> 00:05:07,941 because they're 12 people who are going to make a decision, 95 00:05:07,941 --> 00:05:10,243 based on how they look at things. 96 00:05:10,243 --> 00:05:11,978 The judge is a jury of one. 97 00:05:12,376 --> 00:05:15,789 In a family courtroom, the judge dominates the preceding. 98 00:05:15,982 --> 00:05:18,418 In my world, where there's no jury, 99 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,454 you're the decision maker. 100 00:05:21,454 --> 00:05:22,754 I'm more comfortable with that. 101 00:05:23,056 --> 00:05:24,891 In family court, you don't have the right 102 00:05:24,891 --> 00:05:26,927 to an attorney if you can't afford one. 103 00:05:26,927 --> 00:05:28,862 Litigants have no right to counsel. 104 00:05:28,862 --> 00:05:31,064 The right to an attorney did not apply. 105 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:35,068 and The Constitution of the United States did not apply. 106 00:05:35,068 --> 00:05:37,204 One would think in a court where there is no jury 107 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:39,873 and where you're not given the right to an attorney, 108 00:05:39,873 --> 00:05:41,608 our government would simplify the rules 109 00:05:41,608 --> 00:05:44,277 and make it easy to represent yourself. 110 00:05:44,277 --> 00:05:48,148 At a moment's notice, the judge will recite a civil code, 111 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:51,718 a procedure code, or a family local rule code or whatever. 112 00:05:51,718 --> 00:05:54,254 You'll ask for a clarification and the judge won't give you 113 00:05:54,254 --> 00:05:55,555 the clarification. 114 00:05:55,555 --> 00:05:57,891 It always comes back as, "Well, you should know". 115 00:05:57,891 --> 00:05:59,993 We use terms like "order to show cause", 116 00:05:59,993 --> 00:06:01,461 "notice of motion". 117 00:06:01,461 --> 00:06:02,896 They're not really user-friendly, 118 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:05,599 except for attorneys, who are familiar with them. 119 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:09,236 The court is not a friendly environment. 120 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:11,271 People are there without an attorney, for a judge, 121 00:06:11,271 --> 00:06:13,707 they're an irritant, because they don't know the system, 122 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,208 they don't know the procedure, 123 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:18,078 they don't know how to do this, they don't know how to do that. 124 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:20,180 If you are a litigant who is acting 125 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:23,016 as his or her own attorney in a family court, 126 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:24,885 you can often turn the judge against you, 127 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:27,921 just by means of the way you behave, 128 00:06:27,921 --> 00:06:31,291 your lack of familiarity with etiquette of the courtroom, 129 00:06:31,291 --> 00:06:32,926 speaking out of turn. 130 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:34,494 They don't know what's going on 131 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:36,229 and there's nobody there to guide them. 132 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:38,932 When you ask for help within the courthouse, 133 00:06:38,932 --> 00:06:42,602 Oh, I'm sorry,you have to go see the court facilitator over there 134 00:06:42,602 --> 00:06:45,839 take a number and if your number doesn't come up in eight hours, 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,942 well, come back again and try over again. 136 00:06:48,942 --> 00:06:52,245 So I called around the law library in Sacramento, 137 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:54,948 "Well, we can't give you that information." 138 00:06:54,948 --> 00:07:01,148 Wow! What is this? This is like top secret, priest-class stuff. 139 00:07:02,188 --> 00:07:04,057 The rules of the family courts are documented 140 00:07:04,057 --> 00:07:06,092 in the family codes of each state, 141 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:08,395 but the size and complexity of these codes 142 00:07:08,395 --> 00:07:10,130 is often overwhelming. 143 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:14,328 This is a civil code from when I entered law school in '46 144 00:07:14,834 --> 00:07:19,069 The family law section in this whole book is right there. 145 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:20,876 That's it and this is thick paper. 146 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:25,693 This is the family code 2011. 147 00:07:26,746 --> 00:07:30,993 Thin paper, small print. Look at this. 148 00:07:33,685 --> 00:07:35,685 So why would our government make the family court 149 00:07:35,878 --> 00:07:38,358 so complicated for the average citizen? 150 00:07:38,358 --> 00:07:40,827 People often say a law is so complicated, 151 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:42,896 lawyers make law so complicated, 152 00:07:42,896 --> 00:07:45,332 and Congress makes law or legislators make law 153 00:07:45,332 --> 00:07:47,901 so complicated and there is some truth to that. 154 00:07:47,901 --> 00:07:50,337 You know, there's the old saying from Charles Dickens 155 00:07:50,337 --> 00:07:53,840 that "The business of the law is to make business for itself". 156 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,743 The more complicated and specialized family law is, 157 00:07:56,743 --> 00:07:58,311 the more you need an attorney. 158 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:02,575 The lawyers are the legislators. They make the laws. 159 00:08:02,782 --> 00:08:05,685 The more laws and the more complex they are, 160 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:07,187 the more we have to pay them. 161 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:09,856 With all this complexity, it seems like you have no choice 162 00:08:09,856 --> 00:08:12,926 but to hire a lawyer, but this isn't some huge legal battle 163 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:15,895 between two massive corporations, this is divorce. 164 00:08:15,895 --> 00:08:18,898 These lawyers can't cost that much money. 165 00:08:18,898 --> 00:08:20,600 The rate was $600 an hour. 166 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,309 In the Gold Coast, Fairfield County, it's $650 an hour. 167 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:27,741 I'm not saying I'm worth $700 an hour, 168 00:08:27,741 --> 00:08:29,509 but that's what I charge. 169 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:32,679 My rate is $950 an hour. 170 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,847 That's for one lawyer. 171 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:36,316 They had assistants, people filing. 172 00:08:36,316 --> 00:08:38,752 I was being charged for multiple people working at the firm. 173 00:08:38,752 --> 00:08:39,953 They said, "Tell me your hourly rate". 174 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:41,921 I add it all together and I said to the litigants, 175 00:08:41,921 --> 00:08:46,170 "I want you to know the cost is $27,000 an hour." 176 00:08:46,326 --> 00:08:49,029 I said, "After two hours, we will have spent more 177 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:51,998 than most people in this courthouse make in a year". 178 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:56,436 I have to work 25 hours to pay for one hour 179 00:08:56,603 --> 00:09:00,790 of an arrogant attorney's time. 25 to 1. 180 00:09:00,974 --> 00:09:03,710 It comes down to, always, money. 181 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,278 With so much money on the line, 182 00:09:05,278 --> 00:09:06,975 why don't couples force their lawyers 183 00:09:07,127 --> 00:09:09,482 to finish divorces quickly? 184 00:09:09,482 --> 00:09:12,552 It actually has to do with the financial setup of a marriage. 185 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:15,722 When you file for divorce, money from both parties is looked on 186 00:09:15,722 --> 00:09:17,791 as a shared pool of cash that's available 187 00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:20,493 for either side's attorney to spend. 188 00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:22,862 The first thing that lawyers do is find out exactly 189 00:09:22,862 --> 00:09:25,932 how much money you and your spouse have. 190 00:09:25,932 --> 00:09:29,169 You fill out an income expense declaration, basically, 191 00:09:29,169 --> 00:09:31,471 just to find out how much you're worth. 192 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:34,574 What your assets are, what you've encumbered. 193 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:36,342 How much you have in the bank, 194 00:09:36,342 --> 00:09:37,532 how many cars you have. 195 00:09:37,725 --> 00:09:42,882 They want an entire picture of all your financial assets, 196 00:09:42,882 --> 00:09:45,952 because they want to size you up. 197 00:09:45,952 --> 00:09:48,755 Once the lawyers find out how much each side is worth, 198 00:09:48,755 --> 00:09:50,156 they tempt their clients with the prospect 199 00:09:50,156 --> 00:09:53,226 of getting more money through fighting. 200 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:56,387 It has become about winning and that's both 201 00:09:56,563 --> 00:09:59,395 from the economic perspective and from 202 00:09:59,395 --> 00:10:00,963 this, sort of, emotional perspective. 203 00:10:01,401 --> 00:10:05,438 What you have is a tinderbox and virtually anything 204 00:10:05,438 --> 00:10:09,209 can ignite that tinderbox and the lawyers, frankly, 205 00:10:09,209 --> 00:10:12,212 often are throwing gasoline on that fire. 206 00:10:12,212 --> 00:10:15,372 We're going to fight you, and even if you win, 207 00:10:15,818 --> 00:10:17,412 you will think you lost. 208 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:22,332 What you wind up with is people feeling antagonized 209 00:10:22,322 --> 00:10:25,492 by the tactics of the lawyers on the other side. 210 00:10:25,492 --> 00:10:27,393 If you and your spouse hate each other like poison 211 00:10:27,393 --> 00:10:29,996 and want to get out of the hellhole you call a marriage, 212 00:10:29,996 --> 00:10:31,264 you've come to the right place. 213 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:33,967 You've got questions, we have answers. 214 00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:38,810 I'm Reno Brackman and this is Brutal Divorce Tactics. 215 00:10:40,173 --> 00:10:45,078 The system is an adversarial, polarized system. 216 00:10:47,693 --> 00:10:50,941 It turns out the court system is designed to create conflict. 217 00:10:52,085 --> 00:10:53,720 Many lawyers encourage their clients 218 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,388 to be as aggressive as possible, 219 00:10:55,388 --> 00:10:58,024 tempting them with winning more money. 220 00:10:58,024 --> 00:11:00,333 And once someone starts making accusations towards you 221 00:11:00,454 --> 00:11:03,863 in court, you have no choice but to fight back, 222 00:11:03,863 --> 00:11:06,766 because if you don't, you could lose it all. 223 00:11:06,766 --> 00:11:11,091 Your house, your money, your possessions, your children, 224 00:11:11,926 --> 00:11:13,324 everything. 225 00:11:13,476 --> 00:11:16,075 If one side is being reasonable and the other side 226 00:11:16,075 --> 00:11:19,112 is being totally unreasonable and greedy and miserable, 227 00:11:19,112 --> 00:11:21,541 in thus lies the problem. 228 00:11:21,751 --> 00:11:25,952 Basically what the court does is it creates a battleground, 229 00:11:25,952 --> 00:11:29,155 in which each side hurls the harshest accusations 230 00:11:29,155 --> 00:11:32,091 they can come up with, because they're desperate to win. 231 00:11:32,091 --> 00:11:34,561 There's nothing secret, everybody's sexual habits 232 00:11:34,561 --> 00:11:38,598 and propensities and dirty little lack of hygiene, 233 00:11:38,598 --> 00:11:41,501 every detail, their journal and their photographs of them 234 00:11:41,501 --> 00:11:44,737 with weird toys strapped to them come into court. 235 00:11:44,737 --> 00:11:48,541 If you want to enter the circus and you put on the outfit 236 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:51,177 and you want to be a great clown and entertain, 237 00:11:51,177 --> 00:11:54,247 the system will certainly accommodate you. 238 00:11:54,247 --> 00:11:57,150 You're getting billed by the hour and it gets expensive 239 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:59,018 and people need to realize that. 240 00:11:59,018 --> 00:12:01,287 The more acrimonious it is, the smaller the things 241 00:12:01,287 --> 00:12:04,557 that the parties are willing to fight for, 242 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:05,845 the more they get to bill. 243 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,761 Attorneys get paid by the hour. 244 00:12:09,284 --> 00:12:12,031 The more accusations they make towards the other side, 245 00:12:12,031 --> 00:12:13,933 the more things they ask you to send them, 246 00:12:13,933 --> 00:12:16,436 the more papers they file with the courthouse, 247 00:12:16,436 --> 00:12:20,440 the more they earn and the more it costs you. 248 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,576 One party files something, you have to respond. 249 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:27,747 If you don't respond, you either lose by default 250 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:31,962 or if it's a contempt petition, you land yourself in jail. 251 00:12:32,051 --> 00:12:34,854 You're a lawyer, you write a nasty letter, 252 00:12:34,854 --> 00:12:38,124 her lawyer has to write a nasty letter. 253 00:12:38,124 --> 00:12:40,994 It's just a great system. 254 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:43,329 Essentially paper the other side 255 00:12:43,329 --> 00:12:45,798 until they can't take it anymore. 256 00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:48,701 It's just paperwork after paperwork after paperwork 257 00:12:48,701 --> 00:12:49,936 after paperwork. 258 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:51,337 And there are no limits. 259 00:12:51,337 --> 00:12:54,240 When attorneys get started, they have no incentive to stop 260 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,708 until you run out of money. 261 00:12:55,708 --> 00:12:58,878 You have lawyers who are in it for the money, 262 00:12:58,878 --> 00:13:01,014 who are greedy, who will milk a case. 263 00:13:01,014 --> 00:13:04,150 If your case is taking years and years, 264 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:06,419 then that means some attorney is just putting in a lot 265 00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:10,156 of frivolous motions to delay the case. 266 00:13:10,156 --> 00:13:14,060 In the 60s, it'd take a few months, a year. 267 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:17,263 Now, cases drag on five, six, seven, eight years. 268 00:13:17,263 --> 00:13:19,766 Which is extremely expensive, as you can imagine. 269 00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:22,235 The attorneys definitely don't want to settle the cases, 270 00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:25,705 because once they do, their income stream has been cut off. 271 00:13:25,705 --> 00:13:28,041 And the lawyers have been granted complete immunity 272 00:13:28,041 --> 00:13:29,542 in family court. 273 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:33,046 A lawyer can say or do anything, no matter how false or cruel 274 00:13:33,046 --> 00:13:35,281 and waste tens of thousands of dollars intentionally 275 00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:37,550 and maliciously and they cannot be sued 276 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:40,653 for malicious prosecution or excessive litigation. 277 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:45,067 I'm not aware of any case where a lawyer was sued 278 00:13:45,091 --> 00:13:47,593 for being overly zealous. 279 00:13:47,593 --> 00:13:50,145 Did you ever hold an attorney in contempt? 280 00:13:51,764 --> 00:13:53,132 No. 281 00:13:53,132 --> 00:13:54,885 I really didn't have the heart to do that. 282 00:13:54,967 --> 00:14:00,713 I would see them privately maybe when we had lunch afterwards. 283 00:14:00,773 --> 00:14:09,484 No, because he's doing his job and however pitiful his case was 284 00:14:09,882 --> 00:14:13,219 I'm reluctant to embarrass attorneys. 285 00:14:13,219 --> 00:14:15,355 With such high rates and no consequences 286 00:14:15,355 --> 00:14:18,925 for over-litigating, the money in the marriage is often spent 287 00:14:18,925 --> 00:14:21,227 before the divorce is even finished. 288 00:14:21,227 --> 00:14:23,329 So how do people pay for all this? 289 00:14:23,329 --> 00:14:26,699 When the liquid cash went out, at that point there, 290 00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:29,836 he said, "Well, I understand you have $100,000 line of credit," 291 00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:32,939 which I had to go ahead and use that in order to pay 292 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:34,707 for my legal defense. 293 00:14:34,707 --> 00:14:38,544 A lot of people go into debt as a result of their divorces. 294 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,780 Some attorneys automatically put a lien on your house, 295 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:43,716 just to make sure that, eventually, they get paid. 296 00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:47,053 We took out a equity line of credit on my parents' house 297 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:50,022 and that's been maxed out now. 298 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:52,358 I think it's $250,000. 299 00:14:52,358 --> 00:14:55,628 What they do is bleed you until all the money is gone. 300 00:14:55,628 --> 00:14:58,030 And if that isn't enough, the court can even order you 301 00:14:58,030 --> 00:14:59,665 to sell everything you own. 302 00:14:59,665 --> 00:15:02,335 A judge looks through here and he says to me, 303 00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:04,637 "You really messed this up. 304 00:15:04,637 --> 00:15:06,572 The next time I see you in my court, 305 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:11,436 I'm going to order your land sold, so you can get attorneys." 306 00:15:11,844 --> 00:15:14,947 Your home, your valuables are all going to be sold 307 00:15:14,947 --> 00:15:17,116 to pay the lawyers and people like me. 308 00:15:17,116 --> 00:15:22,180 The court does regularly liquidate an asset, 309 00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:26,630 sell the house, to pay that person to do their job. 310 00:15:26,692 --> 00:15:30,962 So the court system has become the marketeer 311 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:35,501 and under threat of a court order of contempt 312 00:15:35,501 --> 00:15:39,105 have ordered you to comply with it and then has ordered you 313 00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:43,771 to pay it and will then collect it for them, 314 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:45,711 as their collection agency. 315 00:15:45,711 --> 00:15:47,980 The legal system, like many of the other systems 316 00:15:47,980 --> 00:15:51,684 in our country, turns around money 317 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:54,554 and money makes a big difference on everything. 318 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:56,289 It's not what we think of in America, 319 00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,458 but it's the reality of America. 320 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,460 You didn't have family law firms in the old days, 321 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:02,895 because the people who ran the big firms weren't interested 322 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:04,831 in doing family law. 323 00:16:04,831 --> 00:16:06,232 There was no money in it. 324 00:16:06,232 --> 00:16:08,401 Once houses started to go up in value 325 00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:10,870 and more money came into the family law system, 326 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:14,073 some of those big firms did get interested in family law. 327 00:16:14,073 --> 00:16:16,809 The cases became much bigger, 328 00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:20,649 so divorce became a business-type trial. 329 00:16:21,848 --> 00:16:24,370 It's not surprising that the average contested divorce 330 00:16:24,533 --> 00:16:27,887 in the US costs $50,000. 331 00:16:27,887 --> 00:16:30,890 In the last 40 years, the number of divorce 332 00:16:30,890 --> 00:16:32,091 lawyers has exploded, 333 00:16:32,091 --> 00:16:35,628 increasing over 2,000% in California alone 334 00:16:35,628 --> 00:16:37,597 and this is a nationwide issue. 335 00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:40,785 No matter what state you live in you're going to get pulled in. 336 00:16:42,068 --> 00:16:43,665 We're all part of this machine 337 00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:46,706 that makes divorce a business. 338 00:16:46,706 --> 00:16:48,741 It is a business and I'm not ashamed to say that. 339 00:16:48,741 --> 00:16:51,777 This is how I feed my family, this is how I keep a roof 340 00:16:51,777 --> 00:16:54,998 over my head, this is how I put gas in my Rolls Royce. 341 00:16:58,102 --> 00:16:59,468 And when children get involved, 342 00:16:59,654 --> 00:17:01,988 things get even more complicated. 343 00:17:01,988 --> 00:17:03,623 The real heart of family court, 344 00:17:03,623 --> 00:17:05,892 the real thing that is the most painful 345 00:17:05,892 --> 00:17:09,428 and that is the most damaging is custody fights 346 00:17:09,428 --> 00:17:12,832 and I really think that courts need to, for the most part, 347 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:15,134 get out of that business. 348 00:17:15,134 --> 00:17:16,536 I do believe that, in many cases, 349 00:17:16,536 --> 00:17:19,105 the system does fail children. 350 00:17:19,105 --> 00:17:20,406 The family courts are supposed 351 00:17:20,406 --> 00:17:22,942 to acknowledge several Supreme Court decisions 352 00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:25,845 that both parents have an equal right to see their children. 353 00:17:25,845 --> 00:17:26,846 It's a fundamental 354 00:17:26,846 --> 00:17:28,047 constitutional right to parenthood 355 00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:29,949 and the Supreme Court has said it repeatedly. 356 00:17:29,949 --> 00:17:31,584 Go back over 100 years. 357 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:36,069 Parents have a constitutional right to raise their children. 358 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:39,692 We have to defer to their judgment, unless we find 359 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:42,595 that their judgment is detrimental. 360 00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:44,363 But it turns out the family courts have trumped 361 00:17:44,363 --> 00:17:46,499 the Supreme Court, with a doctrine called 362 00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:48,701 "The Best Interest of the Child." 363 00:17:48,701 --> 00:17:50,603 This doctrine is a broad set of guidelines 364 00:17:50,603 --> 00:17:53,639 that allows the court to scrutinize nearly every aspect 365 00:17:53,639 --> 00:17:54,941 of parenting. 366 00:17:54,941 --> 00:17:57,643 What does this mean, the best interest of the child? 367 00:17:57,643 --> 00:18:00,413 And you ask, you say, "Can I have some criteria? 368 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:02,782 Is it better to study a lot or have friends? 369 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,450 Is it better to play baseball or chess? 370 00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:08,944 Is it better to watch old movies on TV or watch the new movies?" 371 00:18:09,188 --> 00:18:11,591 If there was a legislative definition 372 00:18:11,591 --> 00:18:14,927 of what the best interest is, then of course, 373 00:18:14,927 --> 00:18:16,562 we could follow that. 374 00:18:16,562 --> 00:18:18,731 It ends up meaning pretty much whatever first, 375 00:18:18,731 --> 00:18:21,801 the trial judge and then a court of appeal court wants it 376 00:18:21,801 --> 00:18:23,102 to mean. 377 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,438 The judge gets to decide whether the parent's ethics, 378 00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:28,774 morals, and behavior fits his or her profile 379 00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:30,943 for the perfect parent and ultimately, 380 00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:33,813 they have the undisputed power to choose one parent 381 00:18:33,813 --> 00:18:37,750 over the other or neither parent at all. 382 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:39,051 What I would consider a good parent, 383 00:18:39,051 --> 00:18:41,887 another judge might not consider a good parent. 384 00:18:41,887 --> 00:18:43,923 They have to decide who is best for the child, 385 00:18:43,923 --> 00:18:45,003 and who's a better parent. 386 00:18:45,311 --> 00:18:48,265 Suppose you're in the 88th percentile as a parent 387 00:18:48,427 --> 00:18:50,785 and then the other parent is in the 93rd percentile, 388 00:18:50,796 --> 00:18:53,499 then you can, as a judge, say, "I think the child 389 00:18:53,511 --> 00:18:54,834 should spend more time, because that's better." 390 00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:56,769 Whereas if you have two parents and one is 391 00:18:56,769 --> 00:18:57,970 in the third percentile and the other is 392 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:00,272 in the eighth percentile, the 8th would get it, 393 00:19:00,272 --> 00:19:02,008 between those two parents. 394 00:19:02,008 --> 00:19:02,531 But look at that. 395 00:19:02,857 --> 00:19:04,610 The one who's in the 88th now doesn't get his child 396 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:06,045 and one who's in the 8th does get his child 397 00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:09,315 because of the purely fortuitous circumstances of the marriage 398 00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:10,750 or the union. 399 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:12,685 The whole thing is just insane. 400 00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:14,020 As long as you treat your family well 401 00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:15,621 and there's not anything going on criminally 402 00:19:15,621 --> 00:19:19,492 and there's not some abuse, the state doesn't get involved, 403 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,560 but for some reason, when you file for divorce, 404 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,496 a whole bunch of strangers are starting 405 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,131 to look up your dress. 406 00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:26,275 Neglect and abuse, sure. 407 00:19:26,430 --> 00:19:28,768 The government has a right to be there, has a duty to be there. 408 00:19:28,768 --> 00:19:30,670 We're talking about the situation in family court, 409 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:33,773 two fit parents who, outside of this system, 410 00:19:33,773 --> 00:19:35,574 would never be challenged, in terms of their right 411 00:19:35,574 --> 00:19:36,490 to be with their child. 412 00:19:36,657 --> 00:19:38,844 You need evaluators, you need psychologists, 413 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:42,014 you need all these people to tell you what you did wrong. 414 00:19:42,014 --> 00:19:43,916 I will never understand that. 415 00:19:43,916 --> 00:19:46,385 Because the concept of the best interest of the child 416 00:19:46,385 --> 00:19:49,088 is so nebulous, the court system created a position 417 00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,557 called a custody evaluator. 418 00:19:51,557 --> 00:19:53,859 These evaluators advise the judges to help them determine 419 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,829 who should get custody of the children. 420 00:19:56,829 --> 00:20:00,499 As a parenting evaluator, you conduct all sorts of tests, 421 00:20:00,499 --> 00:20:03,880 personality tests, and then make a recommendation 422 00:20:04,494 --> 00:20:06,623 who should get primary custody of the kids. 423 00:20:06,955 --> 00:20:08,941 Give me a list of all your friends, 424 00:20:08,941 --> 00:20:10,943 all the people who know you, and they go 425 00:20:10,943 --> 00:20:12,845 and interview each and every one of them and 426 00:20:12,845 --> 00:20:15,081 then every time someone says something good or bad, 427 00:20:15,081 --> 00:20:16,682 they look into that. 428 00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:18,084 Many people are very defensive 429 00:20:18,084 --> 00:20:19,919 when they're being evaluated by a stranger 430 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,854 to see if they're a worthwhile parent. 431 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:22,673 And who wouldn't be? 432 00:20:23,284 --> 00:20:27,104 The MMPI, Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, 433 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,546 has test/retest reliability that 50% of the people change 434 00:20:31,686 --> 00:20:32,732 in less than two weeks. 435 00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:34,734 It's the most widely used test in the country, 436 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:37,570 but it is not a reliable test. 437 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:40,072 In showing you a bunch of inkblots, 438 00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:42,074 "What's this look like? What do you see in here?" 439 00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:46,695 and then scoring you for narcissism or defensiveness 440 00:20:46,847 --> 00:20:50,140 or paranoia because you see bats and butterflies 441 00:20:50,303 --> 00:20:52,516 and birds is not based on science. 442 00:20:52,718 --> 00:20:55,521 It's unethical. It is unconscionably unethical. 443 00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:57,501 The custody evaluators, for the most part, 444 00:20:57,501 --> 00:21:00,087 are a bunch of morons making money off the backs 445 00:21:00,127 --> 00:21:02,928 of people who don't even quite understand the system. 446 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:04,497 Do you know what the qualifications 447 00:21:04,497 --> 00:21:06,632 of being a custody evaluator are? 448 00:21:06,632 --> 00:21:08,934 Can I name them? Probably not. 449 00:21:09,329 --> 00:21:18,775 I can tell you it took my attending a two day seminar 450 00:21:20,121 --> 00:21:23,516 that one could basically sleep through. 451 00:21:23,716 --> 00:21:27,319 As a parenting evaluator, you don't have to be good 452 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:29,021 at understanding the human condition 453 00:21:29,021 --> 00:21:31,924 or knowing who would be a better parent. 454 00:21:31,924 --> 00:21:35,594 What you have to be good at is writing reports and testifying 455 00:21:35,594 --> 00:21:38,531 and being able to convince a judge that you know 456 00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:39,832 what you're talking about. 457 00:21:39,832 --> 00:21:42,042 In the old days, you could get those evaluations 458 00:21:42,182 --> 00:21:45,164 for anywhere from $2,500 to $5,000, 459 00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:48,107 more typically $5,000 to $7,500. 460 00:21:48,107 --> 00:21:51,510 Now, I'm seeing them $35,000, $60,000. 461 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:53,112 They're very expensive. 462 00:21:53,112 --> 00:21:55,614 You end up getting a bill for $50,000 to $100,000 463 00:21:55,614 --> 00:21:59,049 for the evaluation that, until you filed for divorce, 464 00:21:59,668 --> 00:22:00,953 none of this was an issue. 465 00:22:00,953 --> 00:22:03,560 Evaluators are frequently hired by one parent 466 00:22:03,733 --> 00:22:07,092 or the other, so the evaluator's purpose is 467 00:22:07,092 --> 00:22:10,241 to achieve the parent's goal, the goal of the parent 468 00:22:10,412 --> 00:22:11,330 who hired him or her. 469 00:22:11,649 --> 00:22:14,399 Whatever expert you get to say about how bad mom is 470 00:22:14,561 --> 00:22:16,673 at parenting her child, the other side can 471 00:22:16,812 --> 00:22:19,770 get another expert to say mom is a great parent. 472 00:22:20,576 --> 00:22:23,448 And that's where the rub comes, because the fact 473 00:22:23,595 --> 00:22:24,810 that it has no merit. 474 00:22:25,050 --> 00:22:28,112 It's known within the industry that certain firms 475 00:22:28,249 --> 00:22:30,727 have certain custody evaluators in their back pocket 476 00:22:32,268 --> 00:22:34,393 and I can confirm that that's what happens. 477 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,923 So, it really shows you so often what matters 478 00:22:37,923 --> 00:22:41,604 is not the relationship between the children and both parents, 479 00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:42,876 but money. 480 00:22:46,321 --> 00:22:48,091 Deborah Singer had an experience with one 481 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:50,069 of those evaluators. 482 00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:52,037 My case was very, very simple. 483 00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:55,941 I had been taking care of my daughter since she was born, 484 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:58,777 alone since she was nine months old, financially, 485 00:22:58,777 --> 00:23:00,412 providing in every, every way. 486 00:23:00,846 --> 00:23:04,311 In Ms. Singer's case, there was a particular bank account 487 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:05,951 that had liquid funds. 488 00:23:05,951 --> 00:23:08,187 Once the court sees the financial picture, it says, 489 00:23:08,187 --> 00:23:10,389 "Now I know I've got money to work with." 490 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,590 She said that in court. 491 00:23:11,647 --> 00:23:14,117 On the transcript, sure. On the record. 492 00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:16,829 Commissioner Gretchen Taylor said, 493 00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:19,832 "There is going to be a custody evaluation 494 00:23:19,832 --> 00:23:23,369 and you're either going to pick Dr. Susie Dupay 495 00:23:23,369 --> 00:23:25,004 or Dr. Joseph Kenan. 496 00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:28,007 No other custody evaluator was acceptable for the judge, 497 00:23:28,007 --> 00:23:31,043 so they chose Dr. Joseph Kenan. 498 00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:33,779 He pulled up in an Aston Martin, 499 00:23:33,779 --> 00:23:35,948 he was dressed very, very well. 500 00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:37,516 He didn't even know my name. 501 00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:38,984 He didn't know my ex-husband's name, 502 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:40,319 he didn't know anything about the case, 503 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,954 which was very shocking. 504 00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:44,290 I sat down with him and he put a microphone in front of me 505 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:48,090 and said, "Tell me about birth until you were 10 years old." 506 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:52,439 So I start talking. He was sweating, he was anxious. 507 00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:54,733 I felt very uncomfortable. 508 00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:56,669 I could tell that there was something 509 00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:58,337 that just wasn't settling right. 510 00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:01,907 My instinct was that there was something terribly wrong. 511 00:24:01,907 --> 00:24:04,285 When it was over, she gave Dr. Kenan a check 512 00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:08,178 for his agreed upon fee, $7,500. 513 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,178 He rushed directly to her bank to cash the check. 514 00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:14,486 I got a call from the manager at the bank, who I know, 515 00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:16,375 and said, "There is a man downstairs 516 00:24:16,543 --> 00:24:16,889 trying to cash a check 517 00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:21,028 for $7,500", and I thought, "Why would this doctor 518 00:24:21,166 --> 00:24:23,413 not just deposit my check into his account?" 519 00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:26,065 Within a couple of days type of thing, 520 00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:28,233 I received a phone call from him. 521 00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:32,037 He was asserting to me that for another 25 or 35 522 00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:34,907 he'd be able to give us what we wanted. 523 00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:39,237 I said, "25?" and he said, "Yeah, $25,000". 524 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:43,782 And, of course, then I realized I'm dealing with a major problem. 525 00:24:44,184 --> 00:24:48,017 Right this moment, as the wheels turn, you think about, 526 00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:51,941 "Am I going to accuse the judge's appointed 527 00:24:53,462 --> 00:24:57,754 licensed psychiatrist of attempting to commit extortion?" 528 00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:02,503 We spin out of control, it bodes poorly against my client, 529 00:25:02,601 --> 00:25:04,837 and all hell breaks loose. 530 00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:06,243 I didn't know what to do. 531 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,974 I get a call out of the blue from somebody 532 00:25:08,974 --> 00:25:10,809 who wanted to have lunch with me. 533 00:25:10,809 --> 00:25:13,779 Coming back from lunch, we bump into Dr. Kenan 534 00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:15,447 on the street. 535 00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:18,517 My friend looks over and sees him and I looked at him 536 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,920 and I said, "Do you know him?" and he said, literally, 537 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,556 "Do I know him? Hold on a second. 538 00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:26,358 I'll show you his Facebook." 539 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:31,430 Instead of Joe Kenan, he calls himself Joe Kegan. 540 00:25:38,723 --> 00:25:42,327 There was one after another of shocking photos 541 00:25:42,723 --> 00:25:46,996 of sex, porn stars, cocaine. 542 00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:50,340 It took them ten years for me. 543 00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:56,333 It goes to the degree of how well I hid things. 544 00:25:59,444 --> 00:26:01,728 One specific photograph, it was a picture 545 00:26:01,862 --> 00:26:03,692 of Dr. Kenan and his two other friends. 546 00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:06,031 It was a flier for a party and it said, 547 00:26:06,031 --> 00:26:08,935 "The Dysfunctional Family," and at the bottom of it, 548 00:26:09,091 --> 00:26:13,528 it said, "Bareback anal sex with strangers following the event." 549 00:26:14,692 --> 00:26:17,883 And I'm thinking, "This is the guy that's going to tell me 550 00:26:18,031 --> 00:26:19,424 "whether or not I'm a good mother?" 551 00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:23,845 If I had one photo, one photo like that on my Facebook, 552 00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:27,352 Dr. Kenan would have taken my child away from me. 553 00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:28,253 She would have been gone. 554 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,456 Probably any evaluator, actually. 555 00:26:30,456 --> 00:26:32,124 Do whatever you want in your private life, 556 00:26:32,124 --> 00:26:35,327 but you do not get to determine what's best for my child. 557 00:26:39,016 --> 00:26:40,016 When the story hit the press, 558 00:26:40,332 --> 00:26:42,334 Dennis Braun received phone calls from other parents 559 00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:45,404 that had been evaluated by Dr. Kenan. 560 00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:48,874 Out of the hundred or so phone calls that I received, 561 00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:52,167 women were literally crying on the phone to me 562 00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:56,878 about the injustice they felt had been perpetrated upon them 563 00:26:57,037 --> 00:27:01,507 by Dr. Kenan and I kind of found it somewhat disingenuous 564 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,510 that the court would say that they had not heard 565 00:27:03,693 --> 00:27:06,753 that Dr. Kenan was one of the questionable evaluators. 566 00:27:08,313 --> 00:27:11,196 Turns out the court system is well aware of issues like this. 567 00:27:11,196 --> 00:27:14,366 In 2010, California's auditor was ordered to examine 568 00:27:14,366 --> 00:27:15,734 the family courts. 569 00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:17,836 The audit discovered that the courts were forcing parents 570 00:27:17,836 --> 00:27:20,139 to pay thousands of dollars to unlicensed 571 00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,582 and unqualified evaluators. 572 00:27:25,389 --> 00:27:27,410 I'm an ex-cop, all right? 573 00:27:27,553 --> 00:27:28,830 I know what it is to drive a police car, 574 00:27:28,988 --> 00:27:30,276 I know what it is to sit in the back of one. 575 00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:33,861 I'm not easily hustled and when I see these custody evaluators, 576 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:35,199 they sicken me. 577 00:27:35,254 --> 00:27:38,657 There has been no outreach whatsoever about this 578 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:42,561 from the court system and Dr. Kenan is free to continue 579 00:27:42,561 --> 00:27:45,898 to do custody evaluations if lawyers contact him, 580 00:27:45,898 --> 00:27:47,847 which I fully believe they are. 581 00:27:49,346 --> 00:27:51,094 It seems the courts are trying to protect themselves 582 00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:53,659 from getting exposed, no matter what the cost. 583 00:28:00,646 --> 00:28:03,515 Dan Brewington and his wife had two daughters, 584 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,817 When Dan's wife filed for divorce, they decided 585 00:28:05,817 --> 00:28:08,887 to split their time with the children 50/50, 586 00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:11,623 but their divorce dragged on for over two years. 587 00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:12,955 After going through two lawyers 588 00:28:13,281 --> 00:28:14,927 and nearly running out of money, 589 00:28:14,927 --> 00:28:16,995 Dan decided to represent himself 590 00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:19,932 with a little informal advice from Bob Kelly. 591 00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:23,235 Close to three years ago, he would stop in 592 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:27,620 and ask me general questions or if I could provide him 593 00:28:27,794 --> 00:28:29,404 with information. 594 00:28:29,571 --> 00:28:33,525 In Dan's case, he had equal parenting time with his wife. 595 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:36,748 There was no problem, no allegations of abuse, 596 00:28:36,748 --> 00:28:39,952 no allegations of harm to the children 597 00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:42,016 in any way, shape, or form. 598 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:53,565 This is where they were born. 599 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,969 They did diapers, bottles, potty training, everything 600 00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,971 and nothing went wrong. 601 00:28:58,971 --> 00:29:02,074 There was no drugs, no alcohol, anything like that. 602 00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:05,077 And so for two and a half years, there were no complaints, 603 00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:10,386 no child custody investigations, no anybody trying 604 00:29:10,568 --> 00:29:12,532 to change the visitation arrangements. 605 00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:17,122 But Dan went through a custody evaluation. 606 00:29:17,122 --> 00:29:21,453 The custody evaluation report was 29 pages. 607 00:29:22,521 --> 00:29:25,697 One of the tests that Dan had taken, he had nine categories. 608 00:29:25,697 --> 00:29:29,301 In eight categories, he scored average or above. 609 00:29:29,301 --> 00:29:33,171 And when Dan asked why none of the good stuff was ever mentioned, 610 00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:36,608 he said that he was only paid to find the bad stuff. 611 00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:39,544 They accused of him of being possibly paranoid 612 00:29:39,544 --> 00:29:43,148 and paranoid people sometimes strike out. 613 00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:46,184 Dan felt that he was being railroaded by the evaluator, 614 00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:47,886 so he started a blog site to express 615 00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:50,188 what he felt was an injustice. 616 00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:53,325 Dan soon found examples where the evaluator may have acted 617 00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,994 in biased or inconsistent ways. 618 00:29:55,994 --> 00:29:57,796 For example, Dan's evaluator recommended 619 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:01,366 that a mother who had had sex with a 15 year old boy 620 00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:03,757 and who served alcohol to minors in her home 621 00:30:04,233 --> 00:30:07,570 be granted more custody than was recommended for Dan. 622 00:30:08,238 --> 00:30:11,506 Dan Brewington was the individual who got in, 623 00:30:11,977 --> 00:30:14,379 started digging, made a determination 624 00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:17,849 that this psychologist who was being appointed 625 00:30:17,849 --> 00:30:23,201 by judges in Indiana was not licensed to practice psychology 626 00:30:23,955 --> 00:30:28,378 in Indiana, so once Dan Brewington got that ball rolling 627 00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:29,995 he was a marked man. 628 00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:32,364 The judge takes a look at the situation, 629 00:30:32,364 --> 00:30:33,765 what's the first recourse? 630 00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:37,502 He wants to avoid the publicity, "Take down your blog". 631 00:30:38,072 --> 00:30:39,287 There was a preliminary hearing, 632 00:30:39,461 --> 00:30:41,499 in which the judged warned that Dan needed to take down 633 00:30:41,644 --> 00:30:44,047 his blog site if he wanted to see his little girls. 634 00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:48,213 Just saying that is threatening. 635 00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:50,082 You know, I can't make you take it down, 636 00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:51,616 because it's your First Amendment right, 637 00:30:51,616 --> 00:30:55,120 and, so he's saying you either can have First Amendment rights 638 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,988 or you have your children, but unlike most people, 639 00:30:56,988 --> 00:30:58,957 you can't have both. 640 00:30:58,957 --> 00:31:02,248 For that judge to say, "You won't get to see your children 641 00:31:03,026 --> 00:31:06,154 if you don't take that blog down," is absolutely 642 00:31:06,473 --> 00:31:08,467 in violation of the First Amendment. 643 00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:10,335 Dan felt that his First Amendment right 644 00:31:10,396 --> 00:31:11,809 to the freedom of speech enabled him 645 00:31:11,966 --> 00:31:14,888 to continue publishing his blog, so he didn't remove it. 646 00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:17,476 As a consequence, two and a half months later, 647 00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:21,103 the judge completely rescinded Dan's right to see his girls. 648 00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:25,050 No visitation whatsoever. 649 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,285 Even convicted felons are granted visitation 650 00:31:27,285 --> 00:31:28,954 of their children. 651 00:31:28,954 --> 00:31:31,857 I believe that he did that to be malicious and vindictive, 652 00:31:31,857 --> 00:31:33,091 to take the girls away. 653 00:31:33,327 --> 00:31:36,821 I've had clients who have either had alcohol, 654 00:31:36,962 --> 00:31:38,730 drug problems, or whatever. 655 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:44,052 They've all received visitation, even if it's supervised. 656 00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:47,305 They went out the front door and I said, 657 00:31:47,305 --> 00:31:50,095 "Goodbye my darlings. I'll see you tomorrow 658 00:31:50,379 --> 00:31:51,609 and we'll plan the birthday cake", 659 00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:54,571 and I've never seen them since. 660 00:31:56,606 --> 00:31:59,622 And evaluators are just one of the many types of experts 661 00:31:59,745 --> 00:32:01,249 that a judge can assign to your case. 662 00:32:01,930 --> 00:32:03,887 In fact, if evaluators aren't enough, 663 00:32:04,281 --> 00:32:07,415 the court can even appoint lawyers to represent children. 664 00:32:11,496 --> 00:32:14,065 This is our leopard gecko, Star. 665 00:32:14,065 --> 00:32:16,365 I got custody of him. 666 00:32:19,009 --> 00:32:22,332 I actually got this sign right after I got divorced. 667 00:32:23,074 --> 00:32:24,976 I laugh a lot. 668 00:32:24,976 --> 00:32:28,146 The sign in the kitchen makes me think 669 00:32:28,146 --> 00:32:30,949 of my oldest daughter. 670 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:34,419 The divorce process in 2004, we sat down together, 671 00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:37,989 we came up with our own agreement that was fairly simple 672 00:32:37,989 --> 00:32:40,225 and we wrote our own custody schedule, 673 00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:43,128 which was a 50/50 custody split. 674 00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:47,032 In November of 2008, my ex-husband 675 00:32:47,032 --> 00:32:51,185 started violating court orders and withheld one of our children 676 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:52,513 from being with me. 677 00:32:55,754 --> 00:32:57,320 Wendy pleaded with her ex-husband 678 00:32:57,473 --> 00:33:00,293 to maintain the custody schedule, but he refused, 679 00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:03,894 so she took the matter to family court to ask for help. 680 00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:08,584 My ex-husband's attorney asked for a guardian ad litem, 681 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,995 or what's called an amicus attorney to be appointed 682 00:33:13,174 --> 00:33:13,810 to our case. 683 00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:16,862 Her job was supposed to be to determine 684 00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:19,498 what's in the best interest of the children. 685 00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,466 Sometimes the courts will appoint an attorney 686 00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:26,026 to represent the child, but that is not necessarily 687 00:33:26,143 --> 00:33:27,501 a positive step, either. 688 00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:29,351 She told me in our first meeting 689 00:33:29,797 --> 00:33:32,284 that she would be giving custody to my ex-husband. 690 00:33:33,189 --> 00:33:34,714 It was very shocking to me. 691 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,733 I have seen some attorneys who, because they want 692 00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:40,301 to curry favor with a judge, 693 00:33:40,829 --> 00:33:43,655 so that that judge will appoint them again, 694 00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,758 they tend to provide a report that leans toward 695 00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:48,829 what they think the judge wants anyway. 696 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,942 It's not a positive system. 697 00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:56,411 The amicus attorney sent me a bill for $11,000 698 00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:59,070 and they knew I didn't have $11,000. 699 00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:02,173 I took my bank statements to the court 700 00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:06,311 and they knew that I was to the point where I had nothing left. 701 00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:08,880 Some of these children can't say, "goo goo, ga ga", 702 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,074 and yet these lawyers are sending you these outrageous bills 703 00:34:12,281 --> 00:34:13,624 for all these sessions they had. 704 00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:15,854 We kept getting the same figure, 705 00:34:15,854 --> 00:34:17,989 where she was billing the same number of hours 706 00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:21,660 to all these different cases and she's got dozens and dozens 707 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:24,296 of cases, couldn't possibly have performed 708 00:34:24,296 --> 00:34:25,672 this number of hours. 709 00:34:26,175 --> 00:34:27,465 A few of these lawyers have gotten away 710 00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:30,435 with hundreds of thousands of dollars 711 00:34:30,435 --> 00:34:33,505 taking kids to movies and going to have lunch. 712 00:34:33,505 --> 00:34:35,774 Now in the audits of Marin and Sacramento County, 713 00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:37,909 this was found to be a highly abusive area, 714 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:41,780 where the minors' counsel's bills weren't being looked at 715 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,815 and they would just submit them, they'd pencil whip them, 716 00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:46,017 and write them a check and the parents ended up 717 00:34:46,017 --> 00:34:49,154 being responsible for a bill that they couldn't get in 718 00:34:49,154 --> 00:34:50,822 and audit. 719 00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:54,392 I can't dispute any of the guardian ad litem fees. 720 00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:58,632 I asked to get a statement at one point of her fees, 721 00:34:58,809 --> 00:35:01,847 so I could understand how she was billing 722 00:35:02,233 --> 00:35:06,486 and she told me that the guardian ad litem bills, 723 00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:09,240 she can give to the children only, 724 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,039 because she's their attorney. 725 00:35:11,794 --> 00:35:16,995 Now, my children are under the age of ten years old. 726 00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:20,051 They would not understand any of the fees, 727 00:35:20,051 --> 00:35:21,386 but she refused to give them to me, 728 00:35:21,386 --> 00:35:25,657 so whatever she wrote down is what I had to pay. 729 00:35:25,657 --> 00:35:29,464 It was actually very clever on the other attorneys' parts. 730 00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,654 I got an ultimatum, a motion for enforcement, 731 00:35:34,455 --> 00:35:38,058 that said, "Pay this $11,000 or go to jail." 732 00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:41,794 So, it really got to the end of the line for me. 733 00:35:44,638 --> 00:35:45,849 With her back against the wall, 734 00:35:46,211 --> 00:35:49,080 Wendy decided to do some digging. 735 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,517 We had gone in and we had obtained some public records 736 00:35:52,517 --> 00:35:55,487 from the Ethics Commission. 737 00:35:56,926 --> 00:36:02,225 I came to find out and it is reflected in public documents 738 00:36:02,424 --> 00:36:07,432 that the amicus attorney in our case has relationships 739 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,896 with the judge in our case and she has worked very closely 740 00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:15,066 with my ex-husband's attorneys in previous cases 741 00:36:15,534 --> 00:36:19,651 and in fact, my ex-husband's attorneys represented 742 00:36:19,957 --> 00:36:21,871 the amicus attorney in a case. 743 00:36:23,505 --> 00:36:24,816 Wendy kept digging. 744 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,153 We found that the amicus attorney in our case 745 00:36:28,153 --> 00:36:31,873 was a large campaign contributor to the judge in our case 746 00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:34,659 and the attorneys representing my ex-husband 747 00:36:34,659 --> 00:36:37,395 were also large campaign contributors to the judge 748 00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:39,631 in our case. 749 00:36:40,521 --> 00:36:42,089 It seems kind of unbelievable to me 750 00:36:42,268 --> 00:36:47,962 that the judge who's hearing the case or one of the parties, 751 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:52,117 their attorneys is a very large campaign contributor. 752 00:36:52,911 --> 00:36:56,174 Sounds like a conflict of interest, doesn't it? 753 00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:00,652 And that wasn't all she found. 754 00:37:00,652 --> 00:37:04,022 If you pull the records from the Texas Ethics Commission, 755 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:06,337 you'll find oftentimes that the attorneys 756 00:37:06,488 --> 00:37:08,893 who make the largest contributions to the judges 757 00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:12,630 tend to win most of their cases. 758 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,899 Because of all this, Wendy requested a new judge, 759 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:17,502 in an effort to get a fair trial. 760 00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:19,637 The courts responded by asking another judge 761 00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:21,873 to rule on whether there was a conflict of interest, 762 00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:24,709 regarding the campaign contributions. 763 00:37:24,709 --> 00:37:28,204 The other judge heard the case and denied Wendy's request, 764 00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:30,882 but made a very interesting speech 765 00:37:30,882 --> 00:37:33,952 And the judge said, "This thing about contributions 766 00:37:33,952 --> 00:37:37,722 "is as uncomfortable for a judge as any topic you can get on. 767 00:37:37,722 --> 00:37:42,743 "That's because you folks that are non lawyers don't contribute 768 00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:46,839 "to judicial campaigns and the only way that a judge can run 769 00:37:46,664 --> 00:37:50,135 "for reelection is to raise money for all those things 770 00:37:50,135 --> 00:37:52,804 "that cost to get your name before the public 771 00:37:52,804 --> 00:37:56,124 "and you know who has the most interest in seeing that done? 772 00:37:57,175 --> 00:37:59,043 "The lawyers". 773 00:37:59,043 --> 00:38:01,579 If we read on, he says the lawyers only contribute 774 00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:03,081 "to good judges." 775 00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:06,651 So what does it mean to be a good judge in the eyes of a lawyer? 776 00:38:06,651 --> 00:38:10,822 Perhaps it means seeing things their way. 777 00:38:10,822 --> 00:38:13,291 Some lawyers even boast that they can control the outcome 778 00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,660 of a case. 779 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,730 They have it now where $300,000 to $400,000 780 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:21,099 will guarantee the outcome. 781 00:38:21,099 --> 00:38:23,835 Amazingly, these same judges are also the ones 782 00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:26,704 who approve the bills of all the court professionals 783 00:38:26,704 --> 00:38:28,540 who work on your case. 784 00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:30,742 If we talk about who are the most ferocious, 785 00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:34,500 more feared collectors, often you hear things like the IRS, right? 786 00:38:35,322 --> 00:38:37,749 On that list, near the top of the list of the most fearsome 787 00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:39,651 would be the courts. 788 00:38:39,651 --> 00:38:43,021 And the reason is they have a lot of extralegal tools. 789 00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:45,423 There's very few businesses in America 790 00:38:45,423 --> 00:38:50,118 where you can sit back and a judge sends you the business 791 00:38:50,461 --> 00:38:52,830 and a judge collects your money for you 792 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:56,968 and that money gets to you for sure. 793 00:38:56,968 --> 00:39:01,055 And the beauty of this is all they've got to do is get in good 794 00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,907 with the judges. 795 00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:05,543 And campaign contributions are just one of many incentives 796 00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:07,912 that are used to influence judges. 797 00:39:07,912 --> 00:39:09,747 They have a family law section of the 798 00:39:09,747 --> 00:39:10,882 Los Angeles County Bar 799 00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:13,284 that's very active, that puts on programs. 800 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:15,820 Some judges will sit on that executive committee 801 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:18,923 from time to time, judges will be in all the programs 802 00:39:18,923 --> 00:39:22,694 that they present. You work together with them on panels 803 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:25,296 on presentations, so there's a lot of contact 804 00:39:25,296 --> 00:39:28,705 and communication and you see these same lawyers 805 00:39:29,202 --> 00:39:30,342 all the time. 806 00:39:30,668 --> 00:39:32,837 The law firms have created conferences, 807 00:39:32,837 --> 00:39:35,640 all expense paid trips, and even awards that they give 808 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,141 to the judges. 809 00:39:37,141 --> 00:39:39,978 And these activities are often sponsored by the same lawyers 810 00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,300 who present cases to these judges. 811 00:39:43,591 --> 00:39:47,979 I love my lawyers and I'm very, very happy to say 812 00:39:48,857 --> 00:39:54,397 that I was awarded by both the plaintiff's bar, 813 00:39:54,616 --> 00:39:57,296 when they had their annual convention with expenses paid 814 00:39:58,268 --> 00:40:01,766 and I was awarded by the defense bar. 815 00:40:01,766 --> 00:40:06,369 Boy, their trip was to Spain and we had two judges along there. 816 00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:11,786 I just was very close with the vast majority of my lawyers 817 00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:15,833 and it was no conflict whatsoever. 818 00:40:19,257 --> 00:40:20,618 But these are small potatoes, 819 00:40:20,618 --> 00:40:23,855 compared to the largest incentives for judges. 820 00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:25,456 When a judge goes into retirement, 821 00:40:25,456 --> 00:40:27,058 they not only get a generous pension, 822 00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:29,861 but they also have the option to continue practicing privately 823 00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:32,297 as a judge or as a lawyer. 824 00:40:32,297 --> 00:40:35,366 Law firms often hire the retired judges to rule on cases 825 00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:36,834 outside the court. 826 00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:39,082 And the law firms pay is exponentially higher 827 00:40:39,188 --> 00:40:41,018 than what they were paid by the government. 828 00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:43,808 So guess which judges get hired most often to work 829 00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:46,377 for these law firms. 830 00:40:46,377 --> 00:40:48,579 And, of course, some of the judges, it's interesting, 831 00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:50,948 is that a lot of them are millionaires, too. 832 00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:51,983 I mean, how about that for a thought? 833 00:40:51,983 --> 00:40:54,686 You guys ever thought about that? 834 00:40:54,686 --> 00:40:57,488 Many civil judges nowadays go into arbitrations 835 00:40:57,488 --> 00:40:59,190 and mediations afterwards. 836 00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:00,892 I'm seeing the same lawyers that I saw 837 00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:02,727 when I was sitting on the bench. 838 00:41:02,727 --> 00:41:06,864 What we try to do is go to retired judges, 839 00:41:06,864 --> 00:41:09,834 pay them their hourly rate and have them hear our cases. 840 00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:12,770 I charge $500 an hour. 841 00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:15,406 There's some people who charge $400, 842 00:41:15,406 --> 00:41:17,742 some people who charge $600. 843 00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:19,711 My fee is $500. 844 00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:21,245 And unlike other public officials, 845 00:41:21,245 --> 00:41:23,648 judges do not have a waiting period between public 846 00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:25,583 and private practice. 847 00:41:25,583 --> 00:41:27,018 A judge can retire one day, 848 00:41:27,018 --> 00:41:28,753 practice as an attorney the next day, 849 00:41:28,753 --> 00:41:31,936 and then go back to being a pro tem judge a day later. 850 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:35,193 Amazingly, your opposing attorney could literally 851 00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:37,929 have been serving as a judge the day before, 852 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,298 having had lunch with the same judge you're sitting 853 00:41:40,298 --> 00:41:42,433 in front of today. 854 00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:46,179 With all this happening behind the scenes, 855 00:41:46,318 --> 00:41:50,003 it begs the question: Is anyone actually getting a fair trial 856 00:41:50,175 --> 00:41:51,424 in family court? 857 00:41:56,948 --> 00:42:00,608 I haven't seen my boys, except through Skype, 858 00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:03,321 for over four years now. 859 00:42:03,321 --> 00:42:07,449 I found out that my judge used to work in the same law firm 860 00:42:07,692 --> 00:42:09,927 as my ex's attorney. 861 00:42:09,927 --> 00:42:15,384 They were friends and associates and my ex's attorney 862 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,429 had been giving campaign contributions to my judge. 863 00:42:20,671 --> 00:42:23,007 The judge didn't let me speak in court, 864 00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:24,976 wouldn't let me tell my story. 865 00:42:24,976 --> 00:42:28,211 He was hostile in court, so I went to the press. 866 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:30,748 I-Team reporter Ernie Freeman reports 867 00:42:30,748 --> 00:42:33,885 on how a mother's desperate cries for help 868 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:36,387 are not being heard. 869 00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:40,944 Shortly thereafter, both boys were taken away from me. 870 00:42:41,592 --> 00:42:44,295 No contact with them whatsoever. 871 00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:49,040 My judge was retaliating against me for me being vocal. 872 00:42:49,634 --> 00:42:52,003 It's not like I abused my kids. 873 00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:55,006 There was nothing like that that would substantiate 874 00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:58,576 such a harsh ruling as to completely cut me 875 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:00,606 out of my kids' lives. 876 00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:07,623 I kept filing new papers to try and get some kind 877 00:43:07,753 --> 00:43:10,021 of contact with my boys. 878 00:43:10,021 --> 00:43:13,024 Eventually the judge put a court order on me 879 00:43:13,024 --> 00:43:16,594 that said that I was not allowed to file anything, 880 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:20,661 not only in his court, but in the entire court system. 881 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:28,886 At that point, I felt desperate and hopeless. 882 00:43:29,006 --> 00:43:31,375 I want to see my boys. 883 00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:34,946 Time was going by and I still didn't have 884 00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:36,714 any contact with them. 885 00:43:37,191 --> 00:43:40,163 So, that's when I decided to file a paper. 886 00:43:42,372 --> 00:43:44,337 That filing landed me in jail. 887 00:43:46,073 --> 00:43:51,210 They didn't give me a lawyer, no jury, just the one biased judge. 888 00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:54,432 I've gone to jail now three times, 889 00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:59,804 not because I committed a crime not because I stole anything, 890 00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:03,052 but because I want to see my children. 891 00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:08,020 I think it's quite fair to question the amount of money 892 00:44:08,174 --> 00:44:10,400 that's changing hands in the family court system 893 00:44:10,527 --> 00:44:13,913 and how that affects the decisions that officials 894 00:44:14,098 --> 00:44:15,135 in the system make. 895 00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:18,189 As I always tell my grandchildren, follow the money 896 00:44:18,189 --> 00:44:24,695 and you'll figure out why people are hurt and who is helped. 897 00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:45,616 Who exactly is watching the courts? 898 00:44:46,241 --> 00:44:49,150 Custody mediator Emily Gallup tried to answer that question. 899 00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:53,024 I went to Stanford right out of high school 900 00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:57,698 and my first class was Psych 1 and I knew immediately 901 00:44:57,865 --> 00:44:59,864 I wanted to know absolutely everything I could 902 00:44:59,864 --> 00:45:01,332 about psychology. 903 00:45:01,332 --> 00:45:04,001 The mediator can make a recommendation to the judge 904 00:45:04,001 --> 00:45:06,704 to what the custody plan should be. 905 00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:08,839 It's easy to just rubber stamp 906 00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:11,008 whatever the mediator tells you to do. 907 00:45:11,008 --> 00:45:13,644 And for the most part, that is exactly what happens. 908 00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:16,847 Something like 90 or 95% of the cases get the rubber stamp, 909 00:45:16,847 --> 00:45:20,384 but there was this one hour guideline. 910 00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:23,020 Within one hour, I was supposed to review the file, 911 00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:26,960 meet with parents, write a recommendation to the court. 912 00:45:27,805 --> 00:45:28,982 They call it the ER model. 913 00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:29,354 They say, 914 00:45:29,468 --> 00:45:32,835 "Well, you know, people come in, they get service 915 00:45:32,987 --> 00:45:34,266 for their most immediate problem, 916 00:45:34,392 --> 00:45:34,899 they're sent on their way, 917 00:45:34,899 --> 00:45:37,268 and if they need to come back, they can come back later". 918 00:45:37,917 --> 00:45:39,537 The only way you can do that 919 00:45:39,537 --> 00:45:42,039 is if you cut some very important corners 920 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,642 and you play quick and dirty. 921 00:45:44,642 --> 00:45:50,093 I called the AOC, thinking that the AOC was the police 922 00:45:50,238 --> 00:45:51,349 for all the courts in California, 923 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:54,151 that they monitor compliance. 924 00:45:54,151 --> 00:45:56,857 So I called them from this cramped, 925 00:45:57,009 --> 00:45:59,490 little victim witness waiting room across the hall. 926 00:45:59,490 --> 00:46:02,660 I literally was in the dark with the door locked, 927 00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:04,629 calling them for help, saying, 928 00:46:04,629 --> 00:46:07,398 "I have tried everything I can think of here 929 00:46:07,398 --> 00:46:10,468 "and domestic violence victims are being forced 930 00:46:10,468 --> 00:46:13,004 "into mediation with their perpetrators, 931 00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:14,605 "files are not being reviewed." 932 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,741 You know, I went through my list of all my concerns and they said, 933 00:46:16,741 --> 00:46:19,944 "Wow, that sounds terrible, but there's nothing we can do. 934 00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:22,346 "I'm sorry. We don't like to get 935 00:46:22,346 --> 00:46:25,783 involved in these interdepartmental disputes". 936 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:28,741 Okay, so who is watching the court? 937 00:46:30,142 --> 00:46:32,741 I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that no one 938 00:46:33,151 --> 00:46:34,941 is holding them accountable for their actions. 939 00:46:36,027 --> 00:46:39,497 They've done a lot of damage to this community. 940 00:46:39,497 --> 00:46:42,600 Andm at the time, I thought, "Well, yeah. 941 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,535 "Half the people who've been through here don't like us, 942 00:46:44,535 --> 00:46:46,971 "because they didn't get what they wanted." 943 00:46:46,971 --> 00:46:50,408 And I realize now that's not the problem. 944 00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:52,810 The problem is you were disrespecting people 945 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:55,579 and they knew it. 946 00:47:04,388 --> 00:47:06,390 While the ER model has not been effective 947 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,346 at lowering court dockets, it has been very effective 948 00:47:09,502 --> 00:47:11,696 at creating a revolving door that brings litigants back 949 00:47:11,696 --> 00:47:14,999 over and over and over again. 950 00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:18,269 The great structure is take the litigants, 951 00:47:18,269 --> 00:47:21,105 who are in trouble and desperate enough to pay money 952 00:47:21,105 --> 00:47:23,607 and get them to pay money to the lawyers, 953 00:47:23,607 --> 00:47:25,710 who are the friends of the judges and the judges 954 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:30,647 are ex-lawyers, so it's all this interlocking situation. 955 00:47:30,815 --> 00:47:32,483 You get money based on numbers 956 00:47:32,483 --> 00:47:34,251 and if there's more people and more 957 00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:37,021 and more people coming in, then you can ask 958 00:47:37,021 --> 00:47:39,223 for more funding. 959 00:47:39,912 --> 00:47:41,727 If you, kind of, handle the situation, 960 00:47:42,055 --> 00:47:44,261 there's less people that have to come back. 961 00:47:44,804 --> 00:47:45,817 It's a great repeat business. 962 00:47:46,145 --> 00:47:48,956 Yes. The revolving door of services. 963 00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:51,335 The courts are state-sponsored. 964 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,034 The more divorce disputes they have, 965 00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,101 the more funding they get from the state. 966 00:47:55,895 --> 00:47:57,663 Professionals who benefit from the system 967 00:47:57,970 --> 00:48:00,442 continually lobby for more and more money. 968 00:48:00,824 --> 00:48:02,346 We can only hope that the priorities 969 00:48:02,346 --> 00:48:07,385 of the legislative and executive branches will be 970 00:48:07,539 --> 00:48:09,152 to pour money into our courts. 971 00:48:09,663 --> 00:48:12,395 More funding for more judges and commissioners 972 00:48:12,545 --> 00:48:13,557 for the courts. 973 00:48:13,557 --> 00:48:14,925 Funding should be substantially increased 974 00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:17,428 over the good years that we have. 975 00:48:17,428 --> 00:48:20,297 But, hopefully we will get the money we need. 976 00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:22,642 And they often get their way. 977 00:48:24,822 --> 00:48:27,279 The Judicial Council is the policy-making body 978 00:48:27,471 --> 00:48:29,240 of California state courts. 979 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,985 Chief Financial Officer Steven Nash outlined 980 00:48:32,124 --> 00:48:34,213 what funding the branch can expect. 981 00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:38,447 This budget is such a relief, not that it's great, 982 00:48:38,603 --> 00:48:40,484 but it is such a relief. 983 00:48:40,484 --> 00:48:42,686 The more funding the courts get from the state, 984 00:48:42,686 --> 00:48:45,391 the larger they get and the more business they can handle 985 00:48:45,543 --> 00:48:47,109 from the law firms. 986 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,216 Ulf Carlson has experienced first-hand 987 00:49:12,216 --> 00:49:14,051 just how much damage the collusion 988 00:49:14,051 --> 00:49:16,954 between lawyers and judges can cause. 989 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:18,622 At the beginning of the divorce, 990 00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:21,492 I had talked to some of the biggest law firms 991 00:49:21,492 --> 00:49:24,361 here in Sacramento and their first question was 992 00:49:24,361 --> 00:49:27,798 who is the judge and who is the opposing attorney. 993 00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,556 And I was told by numerous firms 994 00:49:30,848 --> 00:49:30,634 that they had a very serious concern about that relationship. 995 00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:36,373 The attorney representing Ulf's wife 996 00:49:36,373 --> 00:49:38,375 had a close relationship with the judge 997 00:49:38,375 --> 00:49:40,778 and now even serves as both an attorney and a judge 998 00:49:40,778 --> 00:49:42,546 in the same courthouse. 999 00:49:42,546 --> 00:49:45,916 Not surprisingly, Ulf's judge seemed biased against him 1000 00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:47,284 during his trial. 1001 00:49:47,284 --> 00:49:49,486 Right during cross examination, 1002 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:52,323 the judge just got up and left and he never returned 1003 00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:53,924 to the courtroom. 1004 00:49:53,924 --> 00:49:56,660 My attorney, I think it was a couple days later, 1005 00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:02,803 she gets called in by his clerk and basically, 1006 00:50:03,057 --> 00:50:04,735 is informed that the trial's over with. 1007 00:50:04,735 --> 00:50:07,204 And the interesting thing is he actually ruled against me 1008 00:50:07,204 --> 00:50:11,043 on every single issue, not 99%, but 100%. 1009 00:50:11,108 --> 00:50:13,177 I mean, he nailed me on everything. 1010 00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:15,145 He ordered both properties sold, that I were 1011 00:50:15,145 --> 00:50:18,449 to pay my ex's all of her attorney fees. 1012 00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:21,752 So, I was left with no other choice than to file an appeal. 1013 00:50:21,752 --> 00:50:23,621 Filing an appeal is what someone does 1014 00:50:23,621 --> 00:50:26,390 if they're trying to reverse a judge's decision. 1015 00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:28,893 Unfortunately, the appeals court can only change a decision 1016 00:50:28,893 --> 00:50:32,096 or order a retrial if the family court judge didn't apply 1017 00:50:32,096 --> 00:50:34,331 the family code correctly. 1018 00:50:34,331 --> 00:50:36,500 Aside from that, appeals courts don't have the power 1019 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,703 to change a judge's ruling, even if the judge's decisions 1020 00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:43,293 were biased, one-sided, or cruel. 1021 00:50:44,141 --> 00:50:47,244 Two days after I had filed my appeal, 1022 00:50:47,244 --> 00:50:49,713 McBrian found out about it and has admitted 1023 00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:51,715 that he picked up the phone and called his buddy, 1024 00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:53,617 who just happened to be Chief of Legal 1025 00:50:53,617 --> 00:50:55,619 at the Department of General Services, 1026 00:50:55,619 --> 00:51:00,330 where I worked for 18 years and I had an impeccable work history 1027 00:51:00,827 --> 00:51:03,526 and I was just escorted out of the building and fired. 1028 00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:06,563 It became clear to Ulf that the judge was retaliating 1029 00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:08,732 against him for filing an appeal, 1030 00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:11,663 so Ulf submitted a complaint to the Judicial Council. 1031 00:51:12,083 --> 00:51:13,637 This is where people can report unethical 1032 00:51:13,637 --> 00:51:16,273 or incompetent judges, but the judicial council 1033 00:51:16,273 --> 00:51:18,242 is made up of judges and lawyers 1034 00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:21,745 and they rarely remove a judge from office. 1035 00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:23,847 In fact, that year, there were over 1,000 complaints 1036 00:51:23,847 --> 00:51:27,028 filed against judges in the state of California alone. 1037 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,521 Of those 1,000 complaints, none of the judges were fined, 1038 00:51:30,521 --> 00:51:32,022 one of the judges were put in jail, 1039 00:51:32,022 --> 00:51:35,726 and none of the judges were removed from office. 1040 00:51:35,726 --> 00:51:37,604 Even thought the judicial council found 1041 00:51:37,759 --> 00:51:39,697 that Ulf's judge engaged in willful misconduct 1042 00:51:39,697 --> 00:51:43,087 and contacted Ulf's employer they didn't fire him. 1043 00:51:43,413 --> 00:51:46,442 And even the appeals court and the judicial council acknowledged 1044 00:51:46,577 --> 00:51:48,739 that the judge was in the wrong, Ulf's divorce 1045 00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:51,642 still caused him to go completely broke. 1046 00:51:52,024 --> 00:51:54,378 This mistake has cost me hundreds of 1047 00:51:54,378 --> 00:51:55,646 thousands of dollars. 1048 00:51:55,646 --> 00:51:58,449 I've not been reimbursed any of that money. 1049 00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:01,452 It's not fun, at the age of 51, to start over. 1050 00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:03,687 All my other friends are talking about, you know, getting ready 1051 00:52:03,687 --> 00:52:09,860 for retirement at 55 or so and here I have to begin again, so... 1052 00:52:12,963 --> 00:52:15,733 Unfortunately, Ulf had no choice but to move back in 1053 00:52:15,733 --> 00:52:18,369 with his parents, who live in Scandinavia. 1054 00:52:18,369 --> 00:52:19,737 It's another part of the world, 1055 00:52:19,737 --> 00:52:21,438 where divorce is done much differently. 1056 00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:30,714 Scandinavia is home to Ikea, the Nobel Prize, 1057 00:52:30,714 --> 00:52:33,083 and the world's largest shipping company. 1058 00:52:33,083 --> 00:52:35,552 Like the US, Scandinavian countries are advanced, 1059 00:52:35,552 --> 00:52:37,588 democratic, and free. 1060 00:52:38,304 --> 00:52:41,058 Its citizens are amongst the wealthiest and happiest. 1061 00:52:42,168 --> 00:52:44,436 Their children score as well or better than US children 1062 00:52:44,491 --> 00:52:46,430 on standardized tests and their unemployment rates 1063 00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:49,099 are relatively low. 1064 00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:51,568 Interestingly, Scandinavia has a similar divorce rate 1065 00:52:51,568 --> 00:52:54,705 to the United States, but they do not use family courts 1066 00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,141 or lawyers to get divorced. 1067 00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:02,081 I went to see a priest, I went to see a psychiatrist, 1068 00:53:03,138 --> 00:53:07,122 I talked to my husband with a psychiatrist, with a priest, 1069 00:53:08,752 --> 00:53:14,851 I talked to friends, I never, ever thought that I need 1070 00:53:14,973 --> 00:53:15,834 to see an attorney. 1071 00:53:16,221 --> 00:53:20,343 I've never heard of anyone went for a legal debate 1072 00:53:20,496 --> 00:53:22,066 about the divorce, never heard of it. 1073 00:53:22,066 --> 00:53:26,070 You just get a paper in your mailbox and you fill it in 1074 00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:28,605 and you send it back and then you have six months 1075 00:53:28,605 --> 00:53:31,909 to think about it, you have time to change your mind 1076 00:53:31,909 --> 00:53:34,278 in six months and then it's done. 1077 00:53:34,278 --> 00:53:36,246 How much did your divorce cost? 1078 00:53:36,246 --> 00:53:38,837 Nothing. Not a single krona. 1079 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,228 Maybe five kronur for the stamp on the envelope. 1080 00:53:46,623 --> 00:53:49,142 So, why is divorce so much easier in Scandinavia 1081 00:53:49,252 --> 00:53:50,350 than in the US? 1082 00:53:50,566 --> 00:53:52,963 It's because Scandinavians view husbands and wives 1083 00:53:52,963 --> 00:53:54,598 as complete equals. 1084 00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,734 The rules in Iceland are based on the equality 1085 00:53:57,734 --> 00:54:00,871 of men and women, but the one who has lower income, 1086 00:54:00,871 --> 00:54:04,775 you know, he has the same possibilities as others 1087 00:54:04,775 --> 00:54:08,679 and he needs to get used to, you know, changes in his life. 1088 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:12,049 Women in Iceland are very much economically 1089 00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:13,319 very independent. 1090 00:54:13,465 --> 00:54:16,453 They don't look at the marriage or the divorce 1091 00:54:16,453 --> 00:54:19,056 as a way to get support. 1092 00:54:19,056 --> 00:54:22,826 Of course, the assets are divided into two parts. 1093 00:54:22,826 --> 00:54:26,730 So, the couple has equal rights to the assets, 1094 00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:28,899 but when we are talking about the future 1095 00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:32,603 and the future income, they go their separate ways. 1096 00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:34,738 By contrast, family courts in the US 1097 00:54:34,738 --> 00:54:37,307 do not treat marriage partners equally. 1098 00:54:37,307 --> 00:54:40,010 While the US has attempted to make its laws gender neutral, 1099 00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:42,679 family courts still promote the 1950s view 1100 00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:43,947 that marriage is a lifetime partnership 1101 00:54:43,947 --> 00:54:46,817 between a provider spouse and a dependent spouse 1102 00:54:46,817 --> 00:54:50,011 and that a dependent spouse will need monthly support payments 1103 00:54:50,136 --> 00:54:52,103 to survive after the marriage. 1104 00:54:52,654 --> 00:54:53,824 All of that was based on a model 1105 00:54:53,824 --> 00:54:55,692 of a woman stays home and takes care of the children 1106 00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:59,962 and the man is the primary and sole breadwinner. 1107 00:55:00,409 --> 00:55:01,509 But over the past 60 years, 1108 00:55:01,623 --> 00:55:03,834 more women have attained financial independence 1109 00:55:03,834 --> 00:55:06,003 and there are more women working than men today. 1110 00:55:06,003 --> 00:55:09,473 In 80% of American marriages, both spouses are employed 1111 00:55:09,473 --> 00:55:12,442 and the income gap has become much smaller. 1112 00:55:12,442 --> 00:55:14,745 It is going to be less and less relevant, 1113 00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:18,183 as time goes on, because women are less and less likely 1114 00:55:18,246 --> 00:55:21,026 to be solely housewives. 1115 00:55:21,482 --> 00:55:23,273 You would think that the amount of dependent support 1116 00:55:23,441 --> 00:55:25,656 being ordered by the courts each year would be diminishing, 1117 00:55:25,656 --> 00:55:29,146 but the size of these support payments has gone up 30% 1118 00:55:29,324 --> 00:55:30,827 in the past 20 years, 1119 00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:34,131 swelling to well over 44 billion dollars per year. 1120 00:55:34,131 --> 00:55:38,285 All this is happening, despite a 20% drop in the divorce rate. 1121 00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:39,670 So, what's going on here? 1122 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,879 For some reason, the family courts have strayed 1123 00:55:42,037 --> 00:55:44,030 from the original intent of the support laws. 1124 00:55:44,817 --> 00:55:46,310 They have invented a new math. 1125 00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:48,378 The printed tables that originally helped courts 1126 00:55:48,378 --> 00:55:51,481 and family law attorneys deal with support guidelines 1127 00:55:51,481 --> 00:55:52,660 were very limited. 1128 00:55:53,085 --> 00:55:55,786 So, in 1985, family law attorney Steven Adams 1129 00:55:55,786 --> 00:55:59,556 and I made it actually compute on IBM PCs. 1130 00:55:59,556 --> 00:56:01,792 It would take me weeks or months to do this 1131 00:56:01,792 --> 00:56:05,229 if I tried it with a pencil and paper. 1132 00:56:05,602 --> 00:56:10,931 So, here's an example of what makes it so complex. 1133 00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:14,605 You have to take certain guideline deductions, 1134 00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:17,274 like health insurance, required union dues. 1135 00:56:17,274 --> 00:56:20,711 The bonus reports and overtime reports, legal fees, 1136 00:56:20,711 --> 00:56:24,147 and charitable contribution, reassigning 1137 00:56:24,147 --> 00:56:26,483 the dependent exemption, the hardship deduction, mortgages 1138 00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:39,329 Total support is $4,836. 1139 00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:42,599 I've just taken a simple example. 1140 00:56:43,381 --> 00:56:45,249 That's the end of my script. 1141 00:56:45,602 --> 00:56:47,738 Let's take a look behind the curtain. 1142 00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:49,539 There are two types of support payments. 1143 00:56:49,539 --> 00:56:50,974 The first kind is alimony. 1144 00:56:51,755 --> 00:56:53,343 Alimony is supposed to balance the income 1145 00:56:53,343 --> 00:56:56,913 between spouses after marriage, even if there were no children, 1146 00:56:57,846 --> 00:57:00,050 but many states have laws that make alimony last longer 1147 00:57:00,050 --> 00:57:02,786 than the marriage, sometimes even for life. 1148 00:57:02,786 --> 00:57:05,140 Massachusetts was one of those states. 1149 00:57:05,884 --> 00:57:08,423 Steve Hitner was a victim of a particularly onerous 1150 00:57:08,428 --> 00:57:11,520 alimony arrangement and started the group Mass Alimony Reform 1151 00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:13,930 to try to change things. 1152 00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:15,799 We have people who are married for short term marriages 1153 00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:19,169 of four or five years, who are paying 25 years worth of alimony. 1154 00:57:19,618 --> 00:57:22,938 And then women came to me who actually pay alimony to men 1155 00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:24,341 who didn't want to work. 1156 00:57:24,341 --> 00:57:26,343 So now you have a situation where you divorce someone 1157 00:57:26,343 --> 00:57:28,779 because they refuse to work or weren't very responsible 1158 00:57:28,779 --> 00:57:31,715 with your finances and you end up having to take care 1159 00:57:31,715 --> 00:57:33,650 of them for the rest of their lives at the lifestyle 1160 00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:35,052 of the marriage. 1161 00:57:35,052 --> 00:57:36,653 Would you have married me if you knew this was going 1162 00:57:36,653 --> 00:57:37,654 to happen? 1163 00:57:37,654 --> 00:57:39,118 No. I wouldn't have married him. 1164 00:57:39,344 --> 00:57:42,737 I mean, I really love him, but the judge told me I have 1165 00:57:42,886 --> 00:57:46,163 to work two jobs in order to keep him out of jail. 1166 00:57:46,163 --> 00:57:48,632 Your responsibility, based on the law, 1167 00:57:48,632 --> 00:57:50,767 is to maintain your ex-spouse to the lifestyle 1168 00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:52,569 of the marriage. 1169 00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:54,404 So, you're essentially working two jobs 1170 00:57:54,404 --> 00:57:55,839 and your spouse is working two jobs 1171 00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:59,309 to support someone who is going to Italy twice a year. 1172 00:57:59,585 --> 00:58:01,311 More divorced women are paying alimony 1173 00:58:01,311 --> 00:58:02,979 to their ex-husbands. 1174 00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:05,215 He basically came to me in a session and said, 1175 00:58:05,215 --> 00:58:07,918 "I'm asking for money and you need to keep me 1176 00:58:07,918 --> 00:58:10,654 "in the life that I'm accustomed to." 1177 00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:12,322 So when he said the life he's accustomed to, 1178 00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:13,523 what did he mean? 1179 00:58:13,523 --> 00:58:15,659 He went to trips in Europe, paid for his veneers, 1180 00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:18,161 paid for personal trainers, et cetera, 1181 00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:22,099 and he wanted to be kept in that lifestyle still. 1182 00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:24,420 The modern day family courts not only focus 1183 00:58:24,529 --> 00:58:26,803 on what's needed for survival, but also what's needed 1184 00:58:26,803 --> 00:58:29,072 for pleasure and excess. 1185 00:58:29,072 --> 00:58:31,708 Steve was ultimately successful at lobbying the state 1186 00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:34,032 of Massachusetts to change their alimony laws, 1187 00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:36,450 but the changes do not occur automatically. 1188 00:58:37,042 --> 00:58:38,815 If you want to change your actual ruling, 1189 00:58:38,815 --> 00:58:40,784 you still have to go back to family court 1190 00:58:40,784 --> 00:58:43,053 to get your alimony arrangement renegotiated. 1191 00:58:43,053 --> 00:58:45,870 And that means having to open up your divorce case again, 1192 00:58:46,011 --> 00:58:49,367 creating even more business for the family court system. 1193 00:58:50,394 --> 00:58:53,263 In Scandinavia, things are handled much differently. 1194 00:58:53,667 --> 00:58:56,426 The question of alimony is only 1195 00:58:56,554 --> 00:59:02,085 to fulfill this legal obligation of supporting the spouse 1196 00:59:02,105 --> 00:59:05,416 until the marriage has come to an end. 1197 00:59:05,981 --> 00:59:09,889 And it's only for the period until the divorce is fully through 1198 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,116 for this period of six months or twelve months. 1199 00:59:13,581 --> 00:59:15,886 By limiting alimony until the divorce is finished 1200 00:59:15,886 --> 00:59:18,255 and to no more than $1,000 per month, 1201 00:59:18,255 --> 00:59:21,162 the Scandinavian laws have removed any incentive 1202 00:59:21,308 --> 00:59:23,311 for pursuing a lengthy battle in court. 1203 00:59:23,933 --> 00:59:26,062 And if a Scandinavian couple wishes to adopt a traditional, 1204 00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:28,799 provider/dependent relationship, they can always agree 1205 00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:31,368 prior to the marriage, to extend support payments 1206 00:59:31,368 --> 00:59:33,503 for a longer time. 1207 00:59:35,505 --> 00:59:38,341 Another type of dependent support is child support. 1208 00:59:38,341 --> 00:59:41,144 But calculating child support is even more confrontational, 1209 00:59:41,872 --> 00:59:44,047 because it's based not only on the difference in income, 1210 00:59:44,047 --> 00:59:46,883 but also on who gets the most time with the kids. 1211 00:59:47,575 --> 00:59:49,386 Are you going to have your kids 86% of the time, 1212 00:59:49,386 --> 00:59:52,489 like in a sole custody situation, or only 1213 00:59:52,489 --> 00:59:54,003 50% of the time, 1214 00:59:54,272 --> 00:59:55,910 as in a shared custody situation. 1215 00:59:55,934 --> 00:59:58,884 There's a lot of money at stake for both the higher earner 1216 00:59:58,895 --> 00:59:59,931 and the lesser earner. 1217 01:00:00,497 --> 01:00:06,732 Now, at this point, we have 0% with dad and 100% with mom. 1218 01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:12,024 So now, watch what happens overall as I increase time share. 1219 01:00:12,542 --> 01:00:15,045 It turns out the more time you spend with your children, 1220 01:00:15,045 --> 01:00:17,347 the more child support you get. 1221 01:00:17,347 --> 01:00:19,549 The family court system has actually created 1222 01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:22,419 a financial incentive for people to fight court battles 1223 01:00:22,419 --> 01:00:24,234 over their own children. 1224 01:00:24,688 --> 01:00:26,389 It probably quadrupled the amount 1225 01:00:26,389 --> 01:00:29,926 of contested custody matters that we have. 1226 01:00:29,926 --> 01:00:31,995 The kids are the pawns. 1227 01:00:31,995 --> 01:00:33,715 I use the term "little bags of money" 1228 01:00:34,675 --> 01:00:38,392 when there is a contested case over physical custody 1229 01:00:38,535 --> 01:00:39,645 of the children. 1230 01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:42,272 People go and do battle 1231 01:00:42,272 --> 01:00:44,541 because they have these remarkable incentives. 1232 01:00:44,541 --> 01:00:46,510 Interestingly, child support is not based 1233 01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:48,712 on what you spend or need for your children, 1234 01:00:48,712 --> 01:00:50,626 but on how much you make. 1235 01:00:51,343 --> 01:00:55,272 About a third of your gross income, up to $250,000, 1236 01:00:55,550 --> 01:00:57,967 that's got to go over here for child support. 1237 01:00:59,286 --> 01:01:02,394 But that's calculated before taxes, so it actually ends up 1238 01:01:02,537 --> 01:01:05,312 being more like 50% to 60% of your take home pay. 1239 01:01:05,328 --> 01:01:08,184 I absolutely have payor spouses, 1240 01:01:08,342 --> 01:01:09,623 whether they be the husband or the wife, 1241 01:01:09,623 --> 01:01:12,168 come in all the time and say, "This is completely unfair. 1242 01:01:12,168 --> 01:01:13,770 "I'm dividing everything I have and giving half of it 1243 01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:17,500 to my spouse and I'm still going to keep working just as hard 1244 01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,789 "as I've been working to continue to support my spouse 1245 01:01:20,894 --> 01:01:21,755 "and my children. 1246 01:01:21,931 --> 01:01:24,044 "How am I supposed to go on and have a new life?" 1247 01:01:24,363 --> 01:01:27,059 And the recipient parent doesn't have to spend the money 1248 01:01:27,226 --> 01:01:28,207 on the children. 1249 01:01:28,438 --> 01:01:30,220 They can spend it on whatever they want. 1250 01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:33,490 In fact, they can spend child support money on legal fees 1251 01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:37,450 to see the payor parent for even more child support. 1252 01:01:37,761 --> 01:01:39,496 You don't get to get receipts 1253 01:01:39,496 --> 01:01:42,072 for what the child support was spent for. 1254 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,213 The parent gets the money, not the child 1255 01:01:44,373 --> 01:01:46,501 and the parent decides how much the kid gets. 1256 01:01:47,787 --> 01:01:49,673 All else being equal, if you had your choice 1257 01:01:49,673 --> 01:01:53,109 between receiving $1,000 of child support or $1,000 1258 01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:57,704 of spousal support, then you'd prefer to get the child support, 1259 01:01:57,849 --> 01:01:59,950 because you're not going to pay taxes on it. 1260 01:01:59,950 --> 01:02:02,519 You know, that child support can quickly become 1261 01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,655 more like alimony, it can become Monopoly money, 1262 01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:06,990 play money, mad money. 1263 01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:08,792 Mr. Kolodony, let me start with you. 1264 01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:12,062 $320,000 a month in child support, 1265 01:02:12,062 --> 01:02:14,998 they need $144,000 for travel, 1266 01:02:14,998 --> 01:02:17,434 $14,000 for parties and playdates, 1267 01:02:17,434 --> 01:02:22,026 $436 a month for care of Kira's bunny. 1268 01:02:22,105 --> 01:02:23,948 This seems to be as much or more 1269 01:02:24,087 --> 01:02:27,446 about Lisa Corrigan's lifestyle than Kira's. 1270 01:02:28,458 --> 01:02:30,246 Family courts justify granting child support 1271 01:02:30,246 --> 01:02:32,916 at levels higher than what is needed for basic necessities 1272 01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:35,282 and education by claiming that children 1273 01:02:35,484 --> 01:02:37,487 in America are entitled. 1274 01:02:37,487 --> 01:02:40,056 Child is entitled to the lifestyle 1275 01:02:40,056 --> 01:02:42,788 of the non-custodial parent. 1276 01:02:43,612 --> 01:02:46,296 Now, is there research that supports that it would be bad 1277 01:02:46,296 --> 01:02:49,422 for a child to go from a high standard of living 1278 01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:51,628 to a lower standard of living? 1279 01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:52,320 There might be. 1280 01:02:52,461 --> 01:02:54,714 I'm not aware of it, but it just makes sense. 1281 01:02:55,795 --> 01:02:58,202 There's absolutely no research that indicates 1282 01:02:58,367 --> 01:03:00,262 that a child who spends part of the time 1283 01:03:00,382 --> 01:03:04,425 in a more affluent environment and part of the time 1284 01:03:04,562 --> 01:03:07,936 in a less affluent environment is going to end up any different 1285 01:03:08,095 --> 01:03:10,471 than one who spends time in equally... 1286 01:03:10,962 --> 01:03:11,988 It doesn't make any sense. 1287 01:03:12,367 --> 01:03:14,190 Most of the time, it's not an issue of money. 1288 01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:17,007 I don't think the business of equalizing 1289 01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:18,065 the standard of living 1290 01:03:18,215 --> 01:03:22,605 is a requirement for children to be happy after divorce. 1291 01:03:23,367 --> 01:03:26,238 And child support, since it's based on the amount of custody, 1292 01:03:26,382 --> 01:03:28,669 can be re-litigated at any time. 1293 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,674 Custody will always be something 1294 01:03:30,674 --> 01:03:33,874 that could be modified, so you could resolve the entire case 1295 01:03:34,016 --> 01:03:35,513 and then two years later, somebody could come back 1296 01:03:35,664 --> 01:03:37,714 and say, "Custodial schedule is not working. 1297 01:03:37,714 --> 01:03:38,992 "There needs to be a change." 1298 01:03:39,687 --> 01:03:41,551 And the child support formula is so complicated 1299 01:03:41,551 --> 01:03:43,987 that it could even be used to make a low-income parent 1300 01:03:43,987 --> 01:03:46,798 pay money to a wealthy parent. 1301 01:03:46,856 --> 01:03:48,525 This happened in Wendy's case. 1302 01:03:48,977 --> 01:03:50,839 When she went to court to get help with visitation, 1303 01:03:51,448 --> 01:03:53,496 the judge ordered her to start paying child support 1304 01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,399 to her ex-husband, even though her ex-husband's income 1305 01:03:56,399 --> 01:03:58,334 was much higher. 1306 01:03:58,334 --> 01:04:02,205 My ex-husband was living in a $1 million house. 1307 01:04:02,205 --> 01:04:07,235 He had several very expensive cars and his income 1308 01:04:07,578 --> 01:04:09,650 was about $400,000 a year. 1309 01:04:10,524 --> 01:04:13,049 I produced my pay stubs, my bank statements, 1310 01:04:13,049 --> 01:04:15,318 my tax returns. 1311 01:04:15,318 --> 01:04:19,022 I begged the court to not order me to pay child support, 1312 01:04:19,022 --> 01:04:21,624 because of my financial situation. 1313 01:04:21,624 --> 01:04:25,179 My monthly expenses alone, out of my income 1314 01:04:25,342 --> 01:04:29,387 of $2,400 per month, were $3,000 a month, 1315 01:04:29,526 --> 01:04:32,923 so I was already negative $600 a month. 1316 01:04:33,736 --> 01:04:37,487 I was ordered to pay my ex-husband $775 per month. 1317 01:04:39,398 --> 01:04:43,100 These people end up racking up a big child support debt. 1318 01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:45,517 A lot of states have interest on the debt, 1319 01:04:45,702 --> 01:04:48,606 sometimes that interest is high as 10% or 12% 1320 01:04:48,922 --> 01:04:50,887 and the person ends up saddled with a debt 1321 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,214 that they can no longer pay. 1322 01:04:54,473 --> 01:05:00,066 I ended up losing all of my cash, lost all of my credit, 1323 01:05:00,096 --> 01:05:03,166 and when I had nothing left, 1324 01:05:03,166 --> 01:05:07,647 then my mom spent her retirement money to help me. 1325 01:05:10,203 --> 01:05:12,072 Wendy didn't see her daughter for two years 1326 01:05:12,374 --> 01:05:15,600 and ultimately, ended up losing custody altogether. 1327 01:05:15,777 --> 01:05:17,847 I felt very victimized by the family court 1328 01:05:17,847 --> 01:05:20,350 and I think that my children were the biggest victims 1329 01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:22,139 of the family court. 1330 01:05:22,804 --> 01:05:27,214 It's very frustrating and it's very depressing to have gone 1331 01:05:27,365 --> 01:05:34,557 for help and then to come out with your family destroyed. 1332 01:05:38,701 --> 01:05:43,034 People are being put in jail for not having the ability 1333 01:05:43,345 --> 01:05:44,919 to pay their child support. 1334 01:05:45,341 --> 01:05:47,343 Debtor's prisons were abolished in this country 1335 01:05:47,343 --> 01:05:50,146 about 150 years ago, but we do have debtor's prisons 1336 01:05:50,146 --> 01:05:51,714 in the United States right now. 1337 01:05:51,714 --> 01:05:56,534 We have people who are in jail, not because they didn't want 1338 01:05:56,674 --> 01:05:57,534 to pay their child support, 1339 01:05:57,669 --> 01:06:01,178 but because they cannot pay their child support. 1340 01:06:01,967 --> 01:06:04,494 This doesn't happen in Scandinavia. 1341 01:06:04,494 --> 01:06:07,797 Custody time and money are two different things 1342 01:06:07,797 --> 01:06:09,632 that we never mix together. 1343 01:06:09,632 --> 01:06:11,701 The laws are much more simple here 1344 01:06:11,701 --> 01:06:14,537 and therefore there is less things going to court, 1345 01:06:14,537 --> 01:06:15,872 less fighting over custody of the children 1346 01:06:15,872 --> 01:06:19,542 and also less fighting over each other's money. 1347 01:06:19,542 --> 01:06:23,246 Support of one child, how much does it cost? 1348 01:06:23,246 --> 01:06:25,858 How much does the child need or the parent need 1349 01:06:26,025 --> 01:06:26,748 for the child? 1350 01:06:26,883 --> 01:06:30,386 The amount today is a little less than $150 1351 01:06:30,386 --> 01:06:31,688 or something like that. 1352 01:06:32,189 --> 01:06:34,290 By limiting child support to a fixed monthly amount 1353 01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:37,277 for basic necessities, an amount that doesn't change, 1354 01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:40,018 no matter who spends more or less time with the children, 1355 01:06:40,437 --> 01:06:43,703 Scandinavians have eliminated any incentive to use children 1356 01:06:43,766 --> 01:06:45,612 as financial pawns. 1357 01:06:46,169 --> 01:06:48,271 Most of the time, it's like half and half. 1358 01:06:48,271 --> 01:06:51,474 You have them one week and you have them the other. 1359 01:06:51,474 --> 01:06:53,076 I have had many, many cases, 1360 01:06:53,076 --> 01:06:54,920 but very few of them are custody cases. 1361 01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:56,040 Very few. 1362 01:06:56,141 --> 01:06:56,701 How many? 1363 01:06:57,245 --> 01:06:59,841 Well, I would say two a year, but I've been a judge 1364 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:01,637 over 30 years, so... 1365 01:07:02,458 --> 01:07:04,888 Of all the cases where you need to decide on custody, 1366 01:07:04,888 --> 01:07:07,657 just about two percent of them go to court. 1367 01:07:08,193 --> 01:07:10,894 Which is a very, very small percentage. 1368 01:07:10,894 --> 01:07:14,597 You don't get rich taking care of your own child. 1369 01:07:14,597 --> 01:07:16,897 In Sweden, it doesn't work that way. 1370 01:07:17,235 --> 01:07:19,404 Is that the way it is in America? I'm not sure. 1371 01:07:20,646 --> 01:07:22,603 In America, even if you are not married, 1372 01:07:22,662 --> 01:07:26,009 just having children subjects you to the family courts. 1373 01:07:26,583 --> 01:07:28,811 If you and your partner can't resolve a custody issue, 1374 01:07:28,811 --> 01:07:30,947 it might mean paying for custody evaluators, 1375 01:07:30,947 --> 01:07:34,277 experts, and lawyers, just like someone who goes 1376 01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:35,407 through a divorce. 1377 01:07:36,404 --> 01:07:38,320 The dependent/provider spouse relationship 1378 01:07:38,501 --> 01:07:40,640 also extends to legal fees. 1379 01:07:41,447 --> 01:07:44,187 The provider is often forced to pay the dependent's lawyer. 1380 01:07:44,543 --> 01:07:46,829 This actually incentivizes the dependent spouse 1381 01:07:46,829 --> 01:07:48,852 to prolong legal battles. 1382 01:07:48,986 --> 01:07:51,000 In fact, it's not uncommon for the legal fees 1383 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,080 to be higher than the marital money being fought over. 1384 01:07:54,671 --> 01:08:01,894 $320,000. Michael Newdow was livid, furious 1385 01:08:02,004 --> 01:08:03,957 that he had to write a huge check to pay 1386 01:08:04,091 --> 01:08:07,076 for the other side's legal fees in his child custody case, 1387 01:08:07,394 --> 01:08:10,325 all because he wanted 50/50 custody of his daughter. 1388 01:08:10,516 --> 01:08:11,949 I think these are outrageous fees. 1389 01:08:12,102 --> 01:08:13,535 If we wouldn't pay these, these people wouldn't make 1390 01:08:13,691 --> 01:08:14,323 this ridiculous money. 1391 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,093 And he's only been granted 30% custody. 1392 01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:18,628 I mean, this is nonsense. 1393 01:08:18,628 --> 01:08:20,463 Then, on top of this, I say, "This can't be constitutional." 1394 01:08:20,463 --> 01:08:23,733 The judge says, "Even if you win, you have to pay." 1395 01:08:23,733 --> 01:08:26,636 But, in Scandinavia, in the two percent of custody battles 1396 01:08:26,636 --> 01:08:30,106 that actually go to court, each side pays their own legal fees. 1397 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:34,726 Usually in these kind of cases, either party answer 1398 01:08:34,868 --> 01:08:38,062 by paying the legal fees of his lawyer. 1399 01:08:38,554 --> 01:08:40,083 So, people in Scandinavia think twice 1400 01:08:40,083 --> 01:08:41,851 before taking someone to court, 1401 01:08:41,851 --> 01:08:45,521 especially since they can't win much, but in America, 1402 01:08:45,521 --> 01:08:49,590 all the financial incentives actually motivate people to lie. 1403 01:08:50,437 --> 01:08:52,382 One of the biggest problems in family court 1404 01:08:52,555 --> 01:08:54,700 is there are so many false accusations 1405 01:08:54,855 --> 01:08:59,809 and so few consequences for those accusations. 1406 01:08:59,985 --> 01:09:03,640 False accusations are used to gain custody, 1407 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,709 to gain control of property, gain control of the house, 1408 01:09:07,598 --> 01:09:09,245 to gain control of the financial assets, 1409 01:09:09,245 --> 01:09:12,615 to gain more alimony, more child support. 1410 01:09:12,615 --> 01:09:15,385 This stuff goes on all the time, yet there's very little 1411 01:09:15,385 --> 01:09:19,565 in the way of punishment for false accusations 1412 01:09:19,716 --> 01:09:20,590 or accountability. 1413 01:09:20,773 --> 01:09:22,825 How could you be married for 20 years, 1414 01:09:22,825 --> 01:09:25,628 you were a great husband, she was a great wife. 1415 01:09:25,628 --> 01:09:28,064 Now, we're going through a divorce, he's a pervert, 1416 01:09:28,064 --> 01:09:30,500 he's a drug dealer, he's doing all these horrible things, 1417 01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:32,468 she's an alcoholic, she's a drug dealer, 1418 01:09:32,468 --> 01:09:33,803 and she's sleeping with everybody. 1419 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,473 Did this just happen in the last week or two? 1420 01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:40,410 I got a lot of those that happened right at the top 1421 01:09:40,410 --> 01:09:43,546 of divorce action, when both people were in the house 1422 01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:46,249 and one person wanted to get the other person 1423 01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:47,917 out of the house. 1424 01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:51,587 It may be that, in fact, there is no violence, 1425 01:09:51,587 --> 01:09:54,824 but they make it up because they talked with their friends, 1426 01:09:54,824 --> 01:09:57,160 or they've gone to a lawyer who said, "Make it up 1427 01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,695 "and if you really do a good job, 1428 01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:00,596 "then you can get him kicked out. 1429 01:10:00,596 --> 01:10:03,518 "Now you're in the house, you have a big leg up 1430 01:10:03,634 --> 01:10:06,837 in keeping the kids and maybe keeping possession 1431 01:10:06,998 --> 01:10:07,918 of the house." 1432 01:10:08,105 --> 01:10:11,433 I've counseled women and a few men at how 1433 01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:13,420 to get the other side thrown out of the house. 1434 01:10:15,445 --> 01:10:17,580 How hard is that to do? 1435 01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:20,850 If you follow my instructions, easy. 1436 01:10:21,235 --> 01:10:24,754 Domestic violence, first of all, is defined so broadly, 1437 01:10:24,754 --> 01:10:28,224 there's so many things that can count as domestic violence, 1438 01:10:29,089 --> 01:10:35,027 that it's not hard, it's not hard to be accused of domestic violence. 1439 01:10:35,498 --> 01:10:39,635 It's really a travesty, the way a system, the system 1440 01:10:39,635 --> 01:10:43,706 that was designed to protect women from domestic abuse, 1441 01:10:43,706 --> 01:10:46,509 to protect children from abuse, to protect children 1442 01:10:46,509 --> 01:10:49,078 from sexual abuse, a system that was set up 1443 01:10:49,896 --> 01:10:52,615 with every good intention, that was set up to protect 1444 01:10:52,615 --> 01:10:56,252 those who needed it, has been allowed to be subverted 1445 01:10:56,252 --> 01:11:00,199 so that false accusers, really, are able to gain so much 1446 01:11:00,507 --> 01:11:02,542 by making the false accusation. 1447 01:11:02,792 --> 01:11:05,461 Physical violence and sexual assault are crimes 1448 01:11:05,461 --> 01:11:06,596 and our justice system is set up 1449 01:11:06,596 --> 01:11:08,831 to handle criminal accusations like this, 1450 01:11:08,831 --> 01:11:12,986 but family courts also listen to and act upon such accusations 1451 01:11:13,002 --> 01:11:15,404 and because false accusations are so common 1452 01:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,908 during a divorce, these cases are typically not turned over 1453 01:11:18,908 --> 01:11:20,476 to criminal court. 1454 01:11:20,476 --> 01:11:22,178 Family court judges have to distinguish 1455 01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:24,981 between true abuse victims and those crying wolf 1456 01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:26,682 for financial gain. 1457 01:11:26,682 --> 01:11:29,815 Unfortunately, when you call the police 1458 01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:33,363 and you tell them about bruising or whatever, 1459 01:11:33,809 --> 01:11:38,126 their first reaction is not "Are there any weapons in the house?" 1460 01:11:38,274 --> 01:11:39,389 or "Do you have medical records?" 1461 01:11:39,563 --> 01:11:40,705 or "Can I see the bruises?" 1462 01:11:41,012 --> 01:11:45,300 Their first reaction is "Are you involved in a custody case?" 1463 01:11:45,601 --> 01:11:48,838 When you use the system as a leg up, 1464 01:11:48,838 --> 01:11:50,907 you're damaging all the women out there 1465 01:11:50,907 --> 01:11:52,842 who are truly getting abused, 1466 01:11:52,842 --> 01:11:54,443 because it taints the whole system. 1467 01:11:54,443 --> 01:11:57,613 You look at it with a tainted eye when people are crying wolf 1468 01:11:57,613 --> 01:12:00,819 and there is none there and judges get it wrong. 1469 01:12:01,384 --> 01:12:02,885 It happens. 1470 01:12:02,885 --> 01:12:04,387 We're beginning tonight with new details 1471 01:12:04,387 --> 01:12:06,789 about a local mother's efforts to keep her kids away 1472 01:12:06,789 --> 01:12:09,692 from her husband, because she believed he was dangerous. 1473 01:12:09,692 --> 01:12:11,928 A judge denied her request. 1474 01:12:11,928 --> 01:12:15,765 Six weeks later, her husband shot and killed them all. 1475 01:12:15,765 --> 01:12:17,466 When she filed for divorce on May 29, 1476 01:12:17,466 --> 01:12:20,636 she asked the court for sole custody of their two children, 1477 01:12:20,636 --> 01:12:22,038 Bailey and Jackson. 1478 01:12:22,038 --> 01:12:24,674 Asked to explain the immediate danger, 1479 01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:27,076 she wrote, "My husband threatened to steal them 1480 01:12:27,076 --> 01:12:28,377 "and not return them. 1481 01:12:28,377 --> 01:12:29,779 "He has threatened to hurt them. 1482 01:12:29,779 --> 01:12:32,815 "He yells at them and makes them feel nervous and upset." 1483 01:12:32,815 --> 01:12:35,885 On the same page, you can see the judge's response. 1484 01:12:35,885 --> 01:12:39,755 "Denied. Danger not established." 1485 01:12:39,755 --> 01:12:42,225 Tragedies like this, perhaps, would be handled differently 1486 01:12:42,225 --> 01:12:46,229 if judges did not hear so many fictitious cries for protection 1487 01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:48,798 and because of these tragedies, some judges elect 1488 01:12:48,798 --> 01:12:51,734 to issue restraining orders whenever an allegation 1489 01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:54,637 of abuse is made, no matter how credible. 1490 01:12:54,637 --> 01:12:56,994 You hate to be wrong on a domestic violence charge. 1491 01:12:57,121 --> 01:12:58,820 You err on the side of caution. 1492 01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:02,612 But, this can also have horrible consequences, 1493 01:13:02,612 --> 01:13:04,947 as Mark Byron found out. 1494 01:13:04,947 --> 01:13:07,650 My competence as a father has never been questioned 1495 01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:09,285 by my first wife. 1496 01:13:09,285 --> 01:13:11,020 I have a nine year old son. 1497 01:13:11,020 --> 01:13:14,490 His name's Zach and we have a shared parenting agreement. 1498 01:13:14,490 --> 01:13:16,659 We split the time with him 50/50, so... 1499 01:13:16,659 --> 01:13:19,061 and she's never made any allegations of abuse 1500 01:13:19,061 --> 01:13:22,331 or negligence or anything of that sort. 1501 01:13:22,331 --> 01:13:24,799 Eventually, Mark remarried and had another son 1502 01:13:24,799 --> 01:13:26,969 with his new wife. 1503 01:13:26,969 --> 01:13:29,839 One thing led to another and we had a horrible argument 1504 01:13:29,839 --> 01:13:33,109 and she ends up calling the police on me. 1505 01:13:33,109 --> 01:13:35,378 You know, the police, they made a call right there on the spot. 1506 01:13:35,378 --> 01:13:37,813 They said, "Look, we're not going to arrest your husband. 1507 01:13:37,813 --> 01:13:38,848 "Normally, we arrest somebody, 1508 01:13:38,848 --> 01:13:40,616 "but you don't have a mark on you. 1509 01:13:40,616 --> 01:13:42,084 "Everything seems fine here." 1510 01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:44,120 Even though the police didn't arrest anyone, 1511 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,656 Mark's wife got a restraining order from family court 1512 01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,125 and also filed a criminal complaint. 1513 01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:51,560 Mark was kicked out of his home and not allowed 1514 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,296 to see his newborn son. 1515 01:13:53,296 --> 01:13:55,498 You're talking about a parent being thrown out 1516 01:13:55,498 --> 01:13:59,068 of his or her home, cut off from his or her children, 1517 01:13:59,068 --> 01:14:02,938 losing God knows how much in financial assets, right, 1518 01:14:02,938 --> 01:14:05,608 and it's like, it's slightly more likely that one side's 1519 01:14:05,608 --> 01:14:06,709 "telling the truth than the other." 1520 01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:08,991 Boom, restraining order. Done. 1521 01:14:09,143 --> 01:14:11,280 A lot of times, it's the attorneys driving this. 1522 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,279 The attorney wants to win and the attorney knows 1523 01:14:14,428 --> 01:14:16,719 that if their client can claim to be abused 1524 01:14:16,989 --> 01:14:20,089 or make an accusation of abuse, that puts their client 1525 01:14:20,089 --> 01:14:23,759 in the driver's seat and they're much more likely to win. 1526 01:14:23,759 --> 01:14:26,862 It took a long time to get through the court system. 1527 01:14:26,862 --> 01:14:31,485 Everything just takes forever, but finally I had my day 1528 01:14:31,625 --> 01:14:33,528 in court, in criminal court. 1529 01:14:34,815 --> 01:14:37,239 I was found not guilty and it was such a relief. 1530 01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,208 This was like the weight of the world was 1531 01:14:39,208 --> 01:14:40,643 lifted off my shoulders, 1532 01:14:40,643 --> 01:14:43,713 but that was a different judge than the one that was deciding 1533 01:14:43,713 --> 01:14:47,149 on the custody and visitation in family court. 1534 01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:49,719 Even though the magistrate overseeing my divorce 1535 01:14:49,719 --> 01:14:52,254 was fully aware of the fact that I was acquitted 1536 01:14:52,254 --> 01:14:56,335 of domestic violence, he still made a decision 1537 01:14:56,519 --> 01:14:58,227 to take my son away from me. 1538 01:14:58,227 --> 01:15:01,197 It's been really hard not getting to see him 1539 01:15:01,197 --> 01:15:02,632 and miss every, you know, 1540 01:15:02,638 --> 01:15:04,792 His birthday was last week and I didn't get to see him. 1541 01:15:08,082 --> 01:15:10,282 I felt like it was time for me to tell my side of the story, 1542 01:15:10,441 --> 01:15:11,713 because I've been quiet for so long. 1543 01:15:11,854 --> 01:15:14,143 People are probably wondering why I don't get to see my son. 1544 01:15:14,143 --> 01:15:16,479 Mark decided to express himself privately 1545 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:17,847 to his friends on Facebook, 1546 01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:19,582 believing that his First Amendment right 1547 01:15:19,582 --> 01:15:21,384 of free speech would protect him. 1548 01:15:21,384 --> 01:15:23,853 And I simply said, "If you're an evil, vindictive woman 1549 01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:26,021 "and you want to ruin your husband's life 1550 01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:29,358 "and take your son's father away from him completely, 1551 01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:31,660 "all you have to do is say that you're scared 1552 01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:33,829 "and they'll take him away". 1553 01:15:33,829 --> 01:15:35,765 And I really just meant that in general, because I've come 1554 01:15:35,765 --> 01:15:39,068 to realize someone can just simply say, 1555 01:15:39,912 --> 01:15:42,490 whether it's true or not, just making a claim about somebody 1556 01:15:42,654 --> 01:15:45,584 is enough to destroy a family, tear everyone apart. 1557 01:15:45,941 --> 01:15:48,711 Within a few days, I got a letter in the mail 1558 01:15:48,711 --> 01:15:50,179 from the court system. 1559 01:15:50,179 --> 01:15:52,815 I'd had a contempt of court charge filed against me 1560 01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:55,584 and I explained to the magistrate that 1561 01:15:55,584 --> 01:15:58,754 this is my private Facebook wall. 1562 01:15:58,754 --> 01:16:01,257 One of Mark's friends gave his ex-wife access 1563 01:16:01,257 --> 01:16:04,126 to the Facebook post. 1564 01:16:05,175 --> 01:16:06,919 Mark was found in contempt of court, 1565 01:16:07,070 --> 01:16:10,065 even though he hadn't made his comments public. 1566 01:16:10,065 --> 01:16:13,343 He sentenced me to 60 days in jail, 1567 01:16:14,108 --> 01:16:18,201 or to publish a prewritten apology on Facebook 1568 01:16:18,424 --> 01:16:20,289 and it read something to the effect that, 1569 01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:21,524 you know, I apologize 1570 01:16:21,691 --> 01:16:24,180 to my wife, Elizabeth Byron, for shedding her 1571 01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:26,615 in an unfavorable light and it also went on 1572 01:16:26,615 --> 01:16:29,318 to make me apologize for making claims that the courts 1573 01:16:29,318 --> 01:16:31,487 were keeping me from seeing my child. 1574 01:16:31,487 --> 01:16:34,490 I didn't make it to the full 30 days of apologizing. 1575 01:16:34,551 --> 01:16:35,314 You know what? 1576 01:16:35,436 --> 01:16:37,660 Enough is enough. I'm not going to do this anymore. 1577 01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:41,363 And when I went before the judge, Jon Sieve, 1578 01:16:41,363 --> 01:16:44,834 I was fully prepared to tell him that, 1579 01:16:44,834 --> 01:16:47,269 "No. I'm not going to apologize anymore." 1580 01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:50,639 Mr Byron, in the course of history, 1581 01:16:52,314 --> 01:16:57,320 there have been many champions of the First Amendment. 1582 01:17:01,546 --> 01:17:03,394 You, sir, are not one of them. 1583 01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:13,751 The finding of contempt will be purged 1584 01:17:13,829 --> 01:17:21,149 as substantial compliance is hereby recognized. 1585 01:17:22,304 --> 01:17:25,608 I would have liked to see him incarcerated 1586 01:17:25,608 --> 01:17:28,342 for at least a weekend. 1587 01:17:28,544 --> 01:17:31,418 Now, what I think people need to know that it doesn't take much 1588 01:17:31,728 --> 01:17:34,450 for a family to get split up. 1589 01:17:34,450 --> 01:17:37,586 Just some simple allegations that can be really frivolous. 1590 01:17:37,586 --> 01:17:41,357 Many people reached out to me with like heartfelt condolences 1591 01:17:41,357 --> 01:17:44,426 about, you know, similar experiences that they had, 1592 01:17:44,426 --> 01:17:46,729 where the court system had gotten in the middle 1593 01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:48,531 of their family and torn it apart. 1594 01:17:48,531 --> 01:17:53,482 It definitely opened my eyes and it made me feel humbled 1595 01:17:53,962 --> 01:17:56,539 to have a chance to at least let my story get out. 1596 01:17:56,539 --> 01:17:59,280 Maybe in some way, it could make a difference. 1597 01:18:04,169 --> 01:18:05,491 In Dearborn County, Indiana, 1598 01:18:05,811 --> 01:18:08,250 Dan Brewington encountered similar hardships. 1599 01:18:08,250 --> 01:18:10,520 After a year of being separated from his daughters, 1600 01:18:10,853 --> 01:18:13,506 Dan decided to criticize the judge on his blog. 1601 01:18:14,925 --> 01:18:16,434 Dan said that the judge had punished 1602 01:18:16,611 --> 01:18:17,928 the three and five year old girls, 1603 01:18:18,132 --> 01:18:19,910 because their dad had questioned the ethics 1604 01:18:20,042 --> 01:18:22,511 of the courts and the illegal actions of their expert, 1605 01:18:22,642 --> 01:18:25,634 Dr. Edward J. Connor and because the judge 1606 01:18:25,734 --> 01:18:27,803 had denied his daughters visitation, 1607 01:18:27,803 --> 01:18:29,572 Dan believed the judge was mentally 1608 01:18:29,572 --> 01:18:32,374 and emotionally abusive towards his daughters. 1609 01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:35,978 The kids have been deprived of their father. 1610 01:18:35,978 --> 01:18:40,146 In terms of the psychological harm on the children, 1611 01:18:40,486 --> 01:18:43,352 these children want to see their father. 1612 01:18:44,338 --> 01:18:47,385 So, Dan went on to write, "One of the biggest child abusers 1613 01:18:47,566 --> 01:18:50,298 "is wearing a black robe and holding the gavel." 1614 01:18:51,112 --> 01:18:52,596 He appealed to friends and family to send 1615 01:18:52,748 --> 01:18:53,508 letters of support 1616 01:18:53,529 --> 01:18:56,799 to the Indiana Ethics and Professionalism Committee. 1617 01:18:56,799 --> 01:19:00,102 This one is really almost laughable, 1618 01:19:00,102 --> 01:19:02,137 because they put the judge's wife 1619 01:19:02,137 --> 01:19:05,140 on the professionalism committee, who is supposed 1620 01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:08,077 to supervise the judges in Indiana. 1621 01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:10,946 Thenm once she receives a complaint, instead of 1622 01:19:10,946 --> 01:19:12,381 acting on the complaint, 1623 01:19:12,381 --> 01:19:16,257 she has the individual indicted. 1624 01:19:16,785 --> 01:19:18,787 Dan was arrested and put in jail 1625 01:19:18,787 --> 01:19:21,824 and bail was set at $600,000, 1626 01:19:21,824 --> 01:19:24,360 an amount he couldn't possibly afford. 1627 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,162 He was forced to stand trial in criminal court 1628 01:19:27,162 --> 01:19:29,431 and Bob Kelly was not allowed to represent Dan, 1629 01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:31,789 because he wasn't licensed in Indiana. 1630 01:19:32,322 --> 01:19:35,137 And, unfortunately, no other reputable attorney was willing 1631 01:19:35,137 --> 01:19:37,539 to take a case against the judge. 1632 01:19:37,539 --> 01:19:40,509 And so, the prosecutor, who'd worked alongside the judge for years, 1633 01:19:40,509 --> 01:19:44,413 convinced a jury to convict Dan for intimidation of a judge, 1634 01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:47,349 a judge's wife, and a custody evaluator, 1635 01:19:47,349 --> 01:19:50,686 all because of what he wrote on the internet. 1636 01:19:50,779 --> 01:19:54,487 And so, Dan was sentenced to five years in prison. 1637 01:19:55,090 --> 01:19:59,001 All judges have the same middle name: God. 1638 01:20:01,130 --> 01:20:03,065 We asked if we could interview Dan in prison, 1639 01:20:03,065 --> 01:20:05,868 but we were repeatedly turned down by the warden, 1640 01:20:05,868 --> 01:20:07,936 the judicial council, and the governor. 1641 01:20:07,936 --> 01:20:12,402 Okay, right now, no cameras. Shut off the cameras, guys. 1642 01:21:01,393 --> 01:21:05,219 The statistics out there for fatherless homes are atrocious, 1643 01:21:05,661 --> 01:21:08,430 I mean, like 200% more likely to commit suicide. 1644 01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:09,698 It's crazy. 1645 01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:12,241 Among other things, go to jail, teen pregnancy, 1646 01:21:12,385 --> 01:21:14,536 lower grades, depression, drug and alcohol abuse. 1647 01:21:14,536 --> 01:21:18,040 All of them are like 100 plus percent more probable. 1648 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,709 Are you trying, when you take these cases and present them 1649 01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:24,079 to the judge, are you trying to spin a narrative? 1650 01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:25,647 Always. 1651 01:21:25,647 --> 01:21:28,550 What's truer than the truth? The answer? 1652 01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:32,923 The story, because in the story, we distill data 1653 01:21:33,172 --> 01:21:34,389 and give it meaning. 1654 01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:37,826 And what's the story that we family law attorneys 1655 01:21:37,826 --> 01:21:40,763 and mediators hear every day? 1656 01:21:40,763 --> 01:21:44,979 It's the story of a victim, the victimizer 1657 01:21:45,681 --> 01:21:49,857 and it's very important in stories to have a rescuer. 1658 01:21:50,093 --> 01:21:51,962 There's always got to be that third person 1659 01:21:52,151 --> 01:21:53,809 and who is going to be that rescuer? 1660 01:21:53,809 --> 01:21:56,411 Well, it might be the lawyer, it might be the judge. 1661 01:21:56,793 --> 01:21:59,296 You have to create a theme and try and keep it going 1662 01:21:59,461 --> 01:22:02,180 through the case, so that it sticks in the judge's mind 1663 01:22:02,336 --> 01:22:03,775 when they're making a final decision. 1664 01:22:03,969 --> 01:22:05,120 I can tell you when I represent women, 1665 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,556 I can make a man look like a piece of shit in two seconds. 1666 01:22:07,556 --> 01:22:09,591 Get up there, "What's the name of your daughter's teacher?" 1667 01:22:09,591 --> 01:22:11,994 "What grade is she in?" "What's the doctor's name?" 1668 01:22:11,994 --> 01:22:13,862 They know none of those. 1669 01:22:13,862 --> 01:22:15,464 Are they good dads? Excellent. 1670 01:22:15,464 --> 01:22:17,232 I can make them look like they don't care about their kid 1671 01:22:17,232 --> 01:22:19,434 in three seconds, because that is not a man's strength. 1672 01:22:19,434 --> 01:22:22,571 There have been a number of studies that show 1673 01:22:22,571 --> 01:22:27,831 that it is a public health hazard, not just general stress, 1674 01:22:27,994 --> 01:22:32,340 but the number of deaths by suicide, one-car accident, 1675 01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:36,539 murder, that come out of the raw turmoil 1676 01:22:36,686 --> 01:22:37,953 of a family law dispute. 1677 01:22:37,953 --> 01:22:40,222 I've seen men walk out crying, 1678 01:22:40,222 --> 01:22:43,559 I've seen women walk out crying and what do you do? 1679 01:22:43,559 --> 01:22:44,787 What do you do? 1680 01:22:44,811 --> 01:22:46,408 I mean, it's, it's, it's... 1681 01:22:46,568 --> 01:22:49,143 You can't sit there and not feel bad for some of these people. 1682 01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:51,642 How much can the body take? 1683 01:22:51,767 --> 01:22:53,135 I'm getting screwed here and I'm supposed 1684 01:22:53,135 --> 01:22:54,403 to sit here and take it? 1685 01:22:54,403 --> 01:22:56,405 Sir, I'm going to ask you not to make any comments 1686 01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:58,502 in the middle of my decision. 1687 01:23:03,512 --> 01:23:05,447 Family court results in more violence 1688 01:23:05,447 --> 01:23:06,715 than any other area of law. 1689 01:23:06,715 --> 01:23:08,550 I haven't done anything to this court, 1690 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:10,719 I haven't done anything to them. 1691 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,323 She will be arrested for contempt of court. 1692 01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:17,773 They're all witnessing their entire life crashing 1693 01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:19,261 upon the rocks. 1694 01:23:19,261 --> 01:23:22,768 The court is so ominous. It's like armageddon. 1695 01:23:23,332 --> 01:23:25,601 People who feel backed in a corner 1696 01:23:25,601 --> 01:23:29,353 and are backed into a corner, sometimes strike out. 1697 01:23:30,904 --> 01:23:31,874 All the shootings you hear about, 1698 01:23:31,874 --> 01:23:33,775 it's always a divorce. 1699 01:23:40,582 --> 01:23:44,186 Anyone who goes to court and has been through it, 1700 01:23:44,186 --> 01:23:48,926 knows it's far, far more severe and damaging 1701 01:23:49,263 --> 01:23:52,754 and expensive than they ever dreamed before they started. 1702 01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:54,763 Divorce isn't easy at all. 1703 01:23:54,763 --> 01:23:58,600 I think death would be easier than a divorce. 1704 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,570 The judges and the attorneys work together 1705 01:24:01,570 --> 01:24:04,473 and the litigants are just grist for the mill 1706 01:24:04,473 --> 01:24:07,843 and the people that they are affecting have to deal 1707 01:24:08,413 --> 01:24:10,683 with the brutality of their decisions. 1708 01:24:11,349 --> 01:24:13,482 From what I experienced, they are neither wise enough 1709 01:24:13,482 --> 01:24:15,884 or intelligent enough to be making decisions 1710 01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:17,518 affecting other people. 1711 01:24:19,067 --> 01:24:23,762 Get over here. Bend over that bed. 1712 01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,127 Dad. 1713 01:24:25,127 --> 01:24:28,263 Bend over that bed. Bend over the bed. 1714 01:24:29,064 --> 01:24:30,933 Bend over the bed. 1715 01:24:31,453 --> 01:24:34,553 Stop! Stop! 1716 01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:37,940 Bend over the fucking bed, dammit! 1717 01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:43,946 Lay down, I'll smack your fucking face. 1718 01:24:43,946 --> 01:24:46,582 You want to put some more computer games on? 1719 01:24:47,549 --> 01:24:48,917 You want some more? 1720 01:24:51,853 --> 01:24:53,422 Fucking computer. 1721 01:24:53,422 --> 01:24:56,425 I told you I didn't want one in the goddamn house. 1722 01:25:10,468 --> 01:25:13,442 By granting so much power to a single human being 1723 01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:15,744 without imposing the checks and balances specified 1724 01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:18,647 in our Constitution, we have turned the family courts 1725 01:25:18,647 --> 01:25:22,191 into incubators of corruption, abuse, extortion, 1726 01:25:22,862 --> 01:25:24,532 and for some, even tragedy. 1727 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,924 At a time when we feel intensely sad, lonely, or rejected, 1728 01:25:28,924 --> 01:25:31,760 the family courts insinuate themselves into our lives 1729 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,630 and profit from the very conflict and confusion 1730 01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:36,717 that their laws create. 1731 01:25:37,804 --> 01:25:40,950 And they chastise and punish us if we dare to complain. 1732 01:25:41,837 --> 01:25:43,535 Do you think the system's broken? 1733 01:25:44,367 --> 01:25:45,707 Oh, do I think the system's broken? 1734 01:25:45,707 --> 01:25:47,142 Why don't you just go down to the courthouse 1735 01:25:47,142 --> 01:25:48,831 and sit there for a couple hours? 1736 01:25:49,511 --> 01:25:51,454 The US family courts may have been set up 1737 01:25:51,618 --> 01:25:54,964 with the best intentions, but the outcome is a disaster. 1738 01:25:56,585 --> 01:25:58,420 What Americans spend on divorce each year 1739 01:25:58,420 --> 01:26:00,889 could fund a healthy lunch every day for every child 1740 01:26:00,889 --> 01:26:03,859 from grade school through high school in both North 1741 01:26:03,859 --> 01:26:08,294 and South America and all of Africa or provide tuition 1742 01:26:08,463 --> 01:26:11,333 for five million college students or be used 1743 01:26:11,476 --> 01:26:13,748 to develop 50 new medicines each year. 1744 01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:17,906 US lawyers and judges who profit from divorce court 1745 01:26:17,906 --> 01:26:19,574 will defend it. 1746 01:26:19,574 --> 01:26:22,444 Family law is a great example 1747 01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:24,327 of what government can do for people. 1748 01:26:25,309 --> 01:26:27,315 We have the best system in the world, 1749 01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:30,318 in terms of divorces. 1750 01:26:30,318 --> 01:26:31,887 Methods intended to lower the cost, 1751 01:26:31,887 --> 01:26:34,890 like mediation outside the courtroom have been tried, 1752 01:26:35,796 --> 01:26:38,826 but they never caught on, because the financial incentive 1753 01:26:38,995 --> 01:26:41,239 to fight is just too powerful. 1754 01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:44,533 They are going to spend all their money 1755 01:26:44,533 --> 01:26:48,704 and their emotional resources and end up far worse. 1756 01:26:48,704 --> 01:26:52,007 They tell the litigants that you're spending the money 1757 01:26:52,007 --> 01:26:55,677 that you would use for your children's college education 1758 01:26:55,677 --> 01:26:58,613 for the college education of your lawyer's children. 1759 01:26:58,613 --> 01:27:00,916 While Scandinavians are by no means perfect, 1760 01:27:00,916 --> 01:27:03,752 the benefits of their system go beyond saving parents 1761 01:27:03,752 --> 01:27:06,221 the time and money of a court battle. 1762 01:27:06,221 --> 01:27:09,658 The less complicated it is, the better it is for the kid. 1763 01:27:09,658 --> 01:27:12,461 No one is going to tell me that fighting for money 1764 01:27:12,461 --> 01:27:14,596 that's going to make the kid more happy. 1765 01:27:14,596 --> 01:27:18,500 All four of us, me and the man that I live with now, 1766 01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:21,737 my ex-husband, and his ex-wife are all raising 1767 01:27:21,737 --> 01:27:24,239 these children up together. 1768 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,843 It may be difficult for the first few years after a divorce, 1769 01:27:27,843 --> 01:27:32,141 but gradually things heal and people move 1770 01:27:32,282 --> 01:27:33,648 on in other directions 1771 01:27:33,648 --> 01:27:36,284 and then in a few years everybody meets 1772 01:27:36,284 --> 01:27:37,385 at a birthday party 1773 01:27:37,385 --> 01:27:39,811 for the kids and things work out. 1774 01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:44,793 Litigation is very poorly suited for family matters. 1775 01:27:44,793 --> 01:27:48,662 It pits loved ones against each other and the kids get caught 1776 01:27:48,849 --> 01:27:49,831 in the crossfire. 1777 01:27:49,831 --> 01:27:51,800 I don't know when you'll read this, 1778 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,771 but I love you so much, mommy. 1779 01:27:55,771 --> 01:27:59,604 I just hope you know what an impact you've made on my life. 1780 01:28:00,673 --> 01:28:04,541 I have no idea what I would ever do without you. 1781 01:28:05,814 --> 01:28:09,465 Custody is for prisoners, but not children. 1782 01:28:10,752 --> 01:28:14,723 So far, we've missed Christmas '09 and Christmas '10. 1783 01:28:14,723 --> 01:28:17,620 And obviously, that takes a big chunk out of your 1784 01:28:17,737 --> 01:28:20,215 family, your celebrations... 1785 01:28:21,515 --> 01:28:24,915 and we go on, because that's what you have to do. 1786 01:28:25,901 --> 01:28:29,142 Our daughter Mackenzie had always been daddy's girl 1787 01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:34,167 and then, you know, it just changed and then she just started turning 1788 01:28:34,316 --> 01:28:37,272 against me and then, sure enough, I found out, 1789 01:28:37,586 --> 01:28:41,490 as my ex wrote a letter to my attorney and just said, 1790 01:28:42,284 --> 01:28:45,353 "I'm just to inform you that Mackenzie got married 1791 01:28:45,353 --> 01:28:46,788 "at the age of 17". 1792 01:28:46,788 --> 01:28:49,024 And then, I found out on Facebook a few months ago, 1793 01:28:49,024 --> 01:28:52,700 as my relatives looked into it, now she's a mom. 1794 01:28:53,662 --> 01:28:55,254 And I'm a grandpa. 1795 01:28:55,730 --> 01:28:56,428 I have a hard time. 1796 01:28:56,583 --> 01:28:58,095 I have to explain this to my nine year old son, 1797 01:28:58,262 --> 01:29:01,723 like how does he, how can I make him understand 1798 01:29:02,775 --> 01:29:04,049 why he can't see his brother? 1799 01:29:07,455 --> 01:29:09,460 How do you explain that to a nine year old? 1800 01:29:10,579 --> 01:29:13,206 These kids, they just get tortured. 1801 01:29:15,259 --> 01:29:18,253 Something must be done to change the laws in the US. 1802 01:29:19,244 --> 01:29:20,188 There are things that you can do 1803 01:29:20,288 --> 01:29:23,592 and you need to fight back and you need to take any anger 1804 01:29:23,592 --> 01:29:27,432 and hurt and, you know, anxiety you have and put it into action 1805 01:29:27,729 --> 01:29:29,865 and show up for things like what we have here today, 1806 01:29:29,865 --> 01:29:32,467 because only if the people stand up to tyranny 1807 01:29:32,467 --> 01:29:33,400 will things ever change. 1808 01:29:33,558 --> 01:29:35,131 What we have is judicial tyranny. 1809 01:29:35,503 --> 01:29:37,272 Every day, what I'm thinking is, 1810 01:29:37,272 --> 01:29:42,745 "What steps do I have to take to ensure that I reunify 1811 01:29:42,890 --> 01:29:44,112 "with my children?" 1812 01:29:44,112 --> 01:29:47,582 I am willing to fight this 'til the very end. 1813 01:29:47,582 --> 01:29:51,086 I felt that I owed it to my kids to keep trying 1814 01:29:51,086 --> 01:29:52,854 to do the right thing. 1815 01:29:52,854 --> 01:29:56,124 Today, it may be Dan Brewington. 1816 01:29:56,124 --> 01:29:59,527 Tomorrow, it could be you, it could be me, 1817 01:29:59,527 --> 01:30:02,597 or it could be anybody out there. 1818 01:30:02,597 --> 01:30:04,466 I think someday in the future, 1819 01:30:04,466 --> 01:30:06,334 when shared parenting is the norm, 1820 01:30:06,334 --> 01:30:08,803 when the family court systems have been reformed, 1821 01:30:08,803 --> 01:30:11,606 I think we're going to look back on this era 1822 01:30:11,606 --> 01:30:13,975 the way we look back on the dark ages, 1823 01:30:13,975 --> 01:30:16,675 as a very barbaric era where people are just going 1824 01:30:16,806 --> 01:30:17,779 to scratch their heads and they're just going 1825 01:30:17,779 --> 01:30:20,605 to not believe that this is the way we handled this. 1826 01:30:22,784 --> 01:30:24,741 Maybe we should get rid of family courts. 155524

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