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Hi, how are you guys doing? Good.

Come on, come and sit.

All right, so Mads and Diego, do I have that right?

Yeah. Awesome. Well, I'm Sydney Page.

Let's see, I did undergrad at the University of Oklahoma. I went to grad

at the University of South Florida.

And I've been doing this for 16 years.

And I really love what I do. I get really great results.

Just to let you know, I do record sessions.

No one sees them. It's just me.

Kind of like super notes.

Like I can see stuff later that I maybe didn't catch and it can help with some

of my questions.

I think you're totally cool with that.

Yeah, that's fine. Cool.

Okay.

So a little bit about me. I like to read, cook.

I collect seashells. I know it's a weird thing, but find me a bathroom that

doesn't have them.

They're always in a jar.

So I thought, why pay for that if I can get it for free?

I've lived all over the country, 12 states in the past 16 years, to be

College didn't hold me down.

Do you guys have any questions, comments?

No.

Not really, not right now.

Okay. Well, can you tell me a bit about your 12 months? Are you in college now?

Yeah, I actually just graduated.

I went to school for business.

Right.

I did that.

I liked it for a bit, but now I'm just kind of like doing my own thing, trying

to find something that's more sustainable to work at, that's not so

Or it is a big problem.

Yeah. I would say that this is definitely not boring.

Yeah? I would say that, yeah. Okay.

Okay. Do you have a lot of friends?

No, actually I really don't. Like, all my friends since I moved, and my mom got

with his dad, we moved away, so all my friends are, like, back at my old

hometown with stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

That don't really fuck with you. Remember to foster this relationship.

I mean, they can be some of your biggest advocates in your social safety net.

That's true.

Yeah. I should try to reach out. You should. Yeah, I mean, and today with all

the social medias and, you know, FaceTime calls and stuff like that, you

definitely keep in contact with them. And who knows? Maybe you'll meet a real

bad bitch.

I know, honestly. Yeah.

What about you, Diego?

Tell me about yourself.

Well, um...

I just graduated college too.

I really like to play video games and sports.

Go on.

Guy stuff.

Explain guy stuff to me.

Just like hang out.

Have fun.

Do you think that hanging out and having fun is guy stuff?

When I hang out with the guys.

Sounds exciting.

So what else do you like? Do you have a lot of friends?

Not really. Basically, just us. We're always stuck together all the time.

Yeah, you guys look very close.

Yeah, I guess you could say that. Yeah.

So what did you go to college for?

Well, I was in there doing music.

Music? Yeah. Okay, well, elaborate.

Tell me about your passion. Come on.

I'm not too much of a talkative person.

No, I've deducted that.

But, yeah.

Welcome to my life.

Okay. Well, so I see here that your parents sent you in because we're having

some relationship issues.

Yeah. I guess you could call us that.

So, Mads, you seem to be a little more forthcoming.

How long have you two known each other?

Not that long. It's ever since my mom married his dad, we actually had to

hanging out and talking.

But it's been, like, a year.

Not that long. Yeah, that's actually not that long.

Are you seeing anyone?

It's okay if you don't want to answer that. I am.

Okay, cool. Cool. How long have you been seeing your boyfriend, girlfriend?

Boyfriend. Okay.

Just for a few months. Okay. Something new.

That's cool. That's cool.

So does he know your boyfriend?

No, he does not hang out with me. I do not.

Okay. Yeah.

Diego, so you guys met a year ago?

Yeah. Yeah. So, Diego, are you seeing anyone?

Uh, no.

Not right now. No?

Girlfriend? Boyfriend?

Uh, no.

Right now I'm just focused on myself.

Focused on himself?

Yeah, right.

He's like creepy and watching me.

Is that true, Diego?

Uh, no.

I don't know what you're talking about. Well, you can see her right now, can't

you?

So you didn't put a camera in my room?

Uh, no. Yeah.

So this device, this camera, you found it? Yeah. I was changing, and then I

looked over, and it was like a flashing, blinking light, like a red one. And I

was like, I don't have anything over there. And I looked, and it was his

freaking camera that my mom got him.

Okay. So I'm like. So she knows it was your camera. So do you want to maybe

up right now, Diego?

I mean, it seems to be a very industrious endeavor. I mean, you should

engineering if you really did indeed put that camera in there.

Okay. Maybe I delete the camera in her room. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, this is a no -judgment zone, you guys. Whatever you want to

whatever you've done, you can fess up.

The truth is just going to not offer that fact.

Is that your phone, honey? Yeah. Sorry. Maybe turn that off during therapy

session. Okay.

Okay. So, Diego, did you put a camera in Mads' room?

Yeah, I did.

Okay. You did?

Okay. So, can we talk about the motivation behind that?

Well,

I thought it would be funny. I was just trying to... You thought it would be

funny to watch her dress and get undressed?

Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be that serious.

Have you shown the footage to anyone?

No, just keep it for me.

And what do you do with the footage that came from definitely your camera?

Well,

nothing really.

Nothing?

Okay, so here in therapy, we need to be open and honest so we can get

to the bottom of things.

Otherwise, I really can't help you. If you don't want to say it, that's totally

fine. I'm not here to make you say anything.

But if you're open and honest, this is all going to go so much more smoothly.

So, open, honest.

But again, if you don't want to tell me, I'm not going to make you.

So, what did you do with that footage?

Well, I just thought of... be funny to have a

video like that of her.

Funny? Describe funny to me.

Describe why it would be funny to have a picture of your step -sister taking her

clothes off.

Yeah.

She's kind of hot.

It's hard to... It's hard not to... Not to laugh at the very funny video?

Just to, like, steer, get naked, or whatever.

You're my stepbrother, though.

Yeah, I know, but... That's our home.

We're just always, like, together, so it's kind of... Not by choice.

I can't help myself sometimes, you know.

I'm just a guy, you know. Sometimes I get urges.

Right. Matt, how do you feel about all this?

Annoyed? Annoyed? Yeah, like, we literally live together and I have to

that. Like, am I going to have to start locking my door?

Well, I mean, what do you think he's doing with the footage? And I don't

locking your door is going to really help being recorded.

Yeah. I mean, it's obvious what he does.

Like, he doesn't want to admit it, but obviously.

I mean, no one said it. I know, but he's obviously jerking off to it.

Jason?

Um,

no.

You're not jerking off to videos of me changing?

No.

Okay, maybe.

There we go. See, open and honest.

Mads, how do you feel about that?

Better now that he's actually admitting it and not just trying to say, like,

he's not.

See, that is progress.

She feels a little better now that you've actually admitted to what I'm

is the truth.

Yeah, I just didn't know what she would think if I told her that.

Okay.

Definitely some honesty, Matt.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of weird.

Because we're step siblings.

But, I mean, I get it.

Okay. So now you guys are understanding each other.

You guys just got here and we're already making huge strides.

Okay, let's play a little game. Shall we? Okay.

Sure. Okay, we're going to play this game.

Can you, like, move?

You're, like, in my face right now. I'm not even close to you.

Dude. You're so freaking close to me.

Whatever. Okay, maybe different game.

Um, so you feel like your personal space is being personal?

Yeah. I feel like he's always, like, right there.

I don't like that.

Okay. Diego?

Where else am I supposed to go?

Okay, um, so, you guys always have your phones on you. Kids your age, right?

Okay, let's do a little exercise.

How about you guys pull out your phones, don't face each other, and just like

FaceTime each other.

And just talk to each other through FaceTime.

Do we have to do that?

No, you don't have to do anything.

Do you think that would help?

I do think it would help.

And he doesn't have to be touching me? Like near me? Nope,

you can turn around and not even face him.

So why don't you turn this way, Max?

Diego, why don't you turn that way?

Like, don't even look at each other. And pull out your phones. Make sure all the

alarms are off.

All right. And just, Mads, why don't you call Diego and FaceTime him? Okay.

All right.

I'm calling him.

All right. It looks like he's got you. Why don't you guys go ahead?

And just what are we supposed to do?

Just talk? Why don't you guys talk about the camera situation?

That seemed to be a big breach of trust.

um yeah like what made you feel comfortable putting a camera in my room

just i just wanted to um where

i could get it um you know what do you mean

maybe i wanted to you know see

a little more of you um Okay, do you think that maybe next time you could

ask her?

Yeah, I just, I didn't know how to really, how to really talk to you about

thought I could just be slick about it.

Obviously not slick enough, as I found it.

I thought she would say no if I were to ask her.

Okay, well, you guys seem to be communicating pretty well through this

Does it feel better, Maz?

It honestly does.

Yeah. I don't know why, but it makes it easier.

Yeah.

Diego, how are you feeling about this?

Yeah. I think it works.

Okay.

So, what is it that you were doing with the camera footage?

Admit it to Mads.

Well, I would

sometimes, you know...

Jerk off to it.

Strong language.

Okay, Mads, how do you feel about him using your footage in that way?

It feels kind of weird, but, like, I don't know. Like, I feel like it's,

invading my privacy and everything, but at the same time, I'm, like, conflicted

because it kind of feels nice.

Yeah, does it feel nice to be adored?

It does. Like, wanted?

I like feeling like I'm, like, attractive enough.

Oh, yeah. Like, make him do that, you know? You're a beautiful young woman.

Thank you.

Diego, do you feel the same way when watching it? Do you feel that you are

desiring her?

Um... That you want her, that she's beautiful?

Yeah, um... I've always thought that.

I just didn't know how to really say it.

Okay, Diego, why don't, over FaceTime, over this new medium, why don't you show

your sister what you were doing to these videos?

Um, you want me to jerk off here?

Yeah, this is a fake face.

Um, okay, sure.

Okay, and him doing that, how does that make you feel, Matt?

It feels kind of like...

Like I said, it was like the camera. It's kind of weird.

Yeah.

But it's honestly kind of hot. I would say so. Like, it's kind of turning me

Oh, okay. Someone like, well, why don't you both use this time to exercise?

Your face time, obviously. Your face time. Yeah.

Why don't you both take this time to exercise?

Are you just touching ourselves?

Yeah, just touch yourself. Have fun.

This is a free, open, safe space.

All right.

What's up, honey?

Are you doing okay?

Yeah. Okay, so you can turn FaceTime off.

Now, show each other how you feel.

Sorry, I dropped your pen. Oh, that's okay.

Keep the camera rolling.

Oh, yeah. This is just for me. This is just for my notes. No one's ever going

see this. We're all adults here.

Okay. Yeah.

So this is just going into my personal space so that I can watch it later and I

can see, you know, body language, like microaggression, things like that.

So it's totally safe with me. It's closed circuit. No one can get to it.

it's like a tape for us old people.

So no worries.

Why don't you show her again?

How? How should we do these exercises?

Well, just like you do them at home. You'd do jumping jacks the same way

everywhere else, wouldn't you?

So I just jerk off?

Yeah. And Mads, how about you show him as well how that makes you feel?

Oh, okay.

Hot, wanted, desired, sexy.

Do we just do it right here? Yeah.

Think of it as bonding.

How does that make you feel, Diego?

A little bit better. Yeah? Yeah. Why don't you unbuckle? Make yourself

comfortable. You've still got quite a bit of time left in this session.

I can take off my clothes?

You can take off your pants.

Sure.

I'm going to take off your shirt. You should take off all your clothes.

Max, how does this vulnerability make you feel?

Kind of good.

Yeah, he's being completely vulnerable right now. He is. I've never seen him

like that.

Yeah, we're making some big strides today. Big strides.

Now, you can watch him just like he was watching you take off your clothes.

That's true.

And how does that make you feel, Diego?

Um, I mean, I don't know if we should be doing this, but... Why not?

You've already watched her on camera. Why not just sit down with her and do

Sure. So I just jerk off right here?

Does it make you feel like you need to jerk off?

Oh, yeah.

Okay. Well, then just do what you feel like.

A therapist's office is kind of like Vegas. What happens in here stays in

Okay.

Just have a seat.

Make yourself comfortable.

You don't need shoes.

What do you need shoes for?

Take off your socks. I want to diagnose you with psychopathy today.

That's true.

I thought that I'd like to hear.

I've never seen him like this.

Really? Yeah. You've never seen him like this at all?

Mm -mm.

And how does that make you feel, Matt?

It makes me feel good.

Yeah. Yeah.

Do you feel powerful?

I do.

Good.

Do you think you'd want to be in a vulnerable position such as Diego?

I mean, I can.

Well, I mean, you have to robustly want it.

Okay. So do you think that other side of you, that desirable part of you, wants

to show him exactly what he wants to see?

Honestly, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Just take this off.

Now, did you see all of this while she was undressing?

Uh, yeah, but I wasn't expecting to see the person.

Well, sometimes miracles happen.

Don't stop, Diego.

Oh.

I see you're both vulnerable.

But I bet you both feel very powerful right now.

Yeah. Yeah, show them how that makes you feel.

Makes me feel like I can pleasure myself.

Oh, that is quite the breakthrough, Diego.

Do you feel the same way?

Yeah, I feel a little more comfortable.

Good, good.

So next time you want to put a camera in her room, you're just going to ask her,

right? Yeah, I'll let you know.

Okay. And how does that open line of communication feel?

I like that.

Yeah, I'd rather know than to just have you sneak in my room.

You guys look at each other when you spoke.

My heart's a flutter.

All right, so do you have any commentary since you guys are now speaking?

I don't know what to say.

You want to touch?

Yeah. Is that okay?

Of course.

Look at that. You weren't even speaking when you walked in here. This is all

your good work.

This is your good work.

No, it's not.

I can't believe we're doing this.

I know it seems crazy, but we're all adults here.

I feel like our parents would be proud.

I think that I'm going to let them know that the therapy session went very well.

But they don't have to know about any of this.

I won't even tell them about the camera.

Okay. For this one.

So no worries at all.

So why don't you explore that? You said that, you know, she was beautiful.

You looked up to her.

Let her know that.

I don't even know what to say.

I'm in shock right now that this happened.

Yeah. Well, I mean, don't stop. Let me show you.

So use this hand here.

And take this hand and just... There you go.

There you go.

And why don't you feel his chest?

Feel the same thing.

I think this is helping.

Is it?

Yeah. Yeah, you guys weren't even speaking to each other.

So how does all of this open communication feel?

I like it. Much better.

And do you mind if I have my hand right here, Maddie? That's fine. Okay,

excellent.

Don't stop showing her how you feel, Diego.

So talk.

I mean, what else do you want to try?

Like, why did you want to watch me contract?

Great question.

I've always wanted to, you know, like, do it with you.

Wow, that's a pretty big truth.

That is.

Ever since our parents started dating and we started meeting, I always had

thoughts about it and stuff.

Okay.

Well, what if we explored some of those thoughts and feelings?

Maddie, what do you think?

I'm open to it.

Okay.

Yeah, sure.

Okay.

So why don't we start off small?

We don't have to jump right into extreme intimacy.

Okay. Um, why don't you get on your knees and put your

mouth down and pleasure her.

You've had enough pleasure watching her videos. It's your turn to appease her.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, so get down.

You can sit over here? Yeah, you can sit right here. You can lean back on me. I

got you.

Okay. All right.

Now make her feel as good.

As she made you feel.

Like this?

Yeah, just like that. You're doing great.

Does it feel good, Maddie? Mm -hmm. Yeah?

All right.

And how are you doing down there, Diego?

I think this is really working.

Yeah. You guys have open communication. You're touching. You're listening.

You're being honest.

I love this. I love this for you.

I'm glad you're our therapist.

Me too.

This is why I get all the good ratings.

Really get in there with her. There you go.

Does that feel good? Yeah.

Excellent.

Do you think you would want to make him feel the same way?

I think so, yeah.

What would you think about that, do you?

Yeah, I would love that.

Okay. What if you went ahead and stood up and you did the same thing for him?

Okay.

I'm just going to take a seat over here.

Why don't I watch you?

Make sure you're doing it. I wouldn't say properly, but you know, I hope they

don't.

Like that?

No, more like, let me show you.

I don't need these, do I?

No. We're all being vulnerable right now, so.

Whoa.

Whoa.

I don't know what's happening, but... this is crazy i wasn't expecting this

is a teaching experience i like it i'm really enjoying this

thank

you

There you go.

How does that feel?

That's amazing.

That's amazing.

I'm so happy for the both of you.

Did you really think that this is what therapy was like?

No, not at all.

Yeah, you guys are going to go home with a completely new relationship.

Oh, yeah.

Definitely. You do do miracles.

I do, indeed.

There you

go.

How does that make you feel?

That feels amazing.

Do you feel closer to your sister?

Yeah, a lot closer.

Mads, do you feel a little more comfortable with your brother? I do.

Awesome. So would you guys want to explore further intimacy?

I mean, it may go well, it may go not well, but we have to cut this tension.

You guys are still going to have to live with each other. You're still going to

have to see each other.

So why not explore as far as you guys want to go and see

where it takes you and see if you like it or you don't like it and take all of

that knowledge home with you.

I feel like that's a good idea.

Yeah.

Yeah, so no more creeping in my room.

Okay. Want me to try it? Yeah, no more.

Okay, awesome.

Well, you guys can take my couch.

And why don't you get up here on your knees. Do you want to be standing or do

you want to sit?

Okay. Okay.

So, yeah, just angle yourself this way.

And I just go inside?

Yeah, absolutely.

There you go, honey.

How does that feel, Matt?

Oh, that feels nice.

There you go.

Wow, you're super tight.

Yeah, you can control it, Matt.

Anything you want to start or stop.

I didn't know how tight she was until now.

There you go.

Oh, yeah.

Sending a helping hand.

Thank you.

Oh,

yeah. Oh, that feels much better.

Mm -hmm.

Oh, my gosh. There you go.

And see, now the power dynamic has shifted.

Yeah. Do you feel powerful, Diego?

I feel super powerful.

Alright, good to hear.

This is amazing.

That feels so good.

Take as much time as you need to.

You're doing so well, honey.

This is really helping a lot.

Yeah.

Certainly no tension anymore, correct?

No. No?

All right. I'm glad that you guys are having positive experiences today.

Yeah, you really helped out a lot. Thank you. Oh, no problem.

This is what they pay me the big bucks for.

You deserve it.

What about math? I think math is doing an excellent job.

Oh, thank you.

Hey, you're doing great.

I never thought that this would happen.

Like she said, we had to try it. Yeah.

It doesn't hurt.

It feels good.

It's amazing.

I'm loving this.

Sure, how much you admire her.

Like that, yeah.

Push you up a little more.

I love that you're asking for consent. This is amazing.

This is a lot of progress.

So much progress.

I'm glad we came in today.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, I'm so glad to see all of this progress.

Should we maybe try for another exercise?

Okay. Yeah, sure.

Do you have any experience being on top?

On top?

No. Can you show me? Yeah, I can show you. Okay. Here, put your legs closer

together. Okay.

Oh.

It's like... Oh.

That's perfect.

Yeah.

No. Well, come here. Let me show you.

These are all the learning experiences.

Take your hand.

Yeah, just grab like that. However you'd want them to be grabbed.

Oh, okay. That's the beauty of another woman is to know how it feels.

Oh, look, everyone's participating.

I like this exercise.

Me too.

Great for the thigh.

And the mind.

Thank you for taking charge, my little shy boy.

I really came up with my bubble.

We're going to see about that.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, wow.

I've never seen it like this.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. I'm loving it. I appreciate it.

Oh,

my gosh.

Can we try with the...

Oh, yeah, we can have silly Charlie. Me?

How do I do it? Just pull it and sit on it. There you go. Sit on it.

And I'll show you how to do this.

Okay.

That's cool.

I think that was good enough. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, guys, take charge.

This is how powerful and adored you are. I love it.

It's amazing.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

There you go.

I'm loving that.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

We got you. No one's going to fall.

Can I stand up again?

What exercise did you guys want to try this time?

I'd love to try what you were doing before.

Okay.

This feels so amazing.

Sweet,

and I participated with you.

I love it so much. Oh my gosh.

Definitely the best therapist.

Oh, I love that.

Here you go.

Are you really getting into it, man?

Oh, this helps so much.

Oh, wow.

Our parents are going to be so happy.

Oh, yes.

Thank God you're getting along so well. Yeah.

Oh, very good.

Oh, wow.

Oh, my

gosh.

Which way?

This way.

Do you need to stand up or sit down, Diego?

I think I might.

You want to stand up? Yeah.

Charge, but remember to ask her.

It's getting hot in here.

Yes, it is.

The air conditioning guy is in place, but made him.

There you go. I love how you're taking charge, Matt.

I think you're making your brother excited.

Oh wow.

Yeah.

I feel so good.

And look at him and tell him how that makes you feel.

I should

be in the market for a new

couch. Am I right, you guys? Yeah.

Maybe after this session.

Remember to look at each other and tell each other how you feel.

Certainly not angry, certainly with no tension.

Yeah.

It's okay to be good in the room.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

Such a productive experience, you guys.

I love these exercises.

Oh, yeah.

Look at me. This isn't the first time you've done it. It is with him.

Look at each other and tell each other how much you appreciate each other.

I appreciate everything you do for me. I appreciate you too.

Thank you.

Heartwarming.

Do you feel it deep in your chest?

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

Show her how big and strong you are.

Wow, look at that.

Could you maybe slip it in for me?

Oh, absolutely.

Let's do a little more. There you go.

Oh, wow.

I'm lending a helping hand.

Oh, my gosh.

You guys are so amazing.

Are you listening to her? Are you being an active listener?

Uh -huh.

Yes,

like that.

Oh, my God, you're so good.

Yes.

Just like that.

Can you feel your appreciation for your sister growing and growing?

Yeah? Why don't you sit her down?

Why don't you let him show you how much he appreciates you?

Why don't you get down right here and show her how much you appreciate her?

Now you know exactly how he felt when he was watching those videos of

you. I know.

I understand now.

Yeah.

And he's going to show you.

Just how much he appreciates you and how far and long and wide he appreciates

that you're his sister.

Really? Mm -hmm. Yeah. I can't wait to see that.

Mm -hmm.

Oh.

Oh.

Mm.

Oh, it's so hot.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Wow.

I know. I feel amazing that you guys are so close.

I know. I love it.

I feel it coming. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Show me how much you appreciate her.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah. Oh, look at all that appreciation for you. Wow. Oh, my God. It's just

dripping. I think it's just dripping with... Oh, that feels so good. All that

appreciation. Oh, my gosh. Look at that.

Oh, my gosh.

Look at all that appreciation.

I'm so jealous.

I can't believe that just happened.

Aren't you guys closer than ever now?

Yeah. All right, so you guys can use my bathroom to clean up, and I think we're

done here.

Good reports all around.

Bye. Thank you.

I'm so glad you appreciate your sister so much more, and don't you appreciate

your brother more? I do.

I would say this session all around good results.

Now I want you guys to go home and practice what we did today, and maybe

week we'll take it to the next level.

I can't wait to practice.

Yes, ma 'am. All right.

Get the hell out of my office.

Another client wants to have a talk.