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This programme contains
some strong language
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Hello. Hello!
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Good evening. Hi. I'm Alan
Partridge, and talking is what I do.
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It's sustained a career that's
taken in TV, radio, podcasting,
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things on Sky and, when I parted
ways with the BBC in 2022,
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a stint doing corporate
presenting work
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for one of the most forward-looking
governments in the world.
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I'm here to tell you about
a very special product -
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one that flows from the teat of
this wonderful beast.
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The glorious Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia enjoys
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a thriving camel-milk sector,
with products including milk,
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cheese, yoghurt, gelato, laban,
and other derivatives.
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I've tried them all, and I can tell
you, they really are delicious.
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Cheers!
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Urgh!
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That kind of thing? Go again?
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I'll do as many as you like
until I have pleased you.
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I spent 12 months in Saudi,
fronting everything
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from Happy Birthday Crown Prince,
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to Today at the Riyadh
Stock Exchange.
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But far from selling my mouth
to the highest bidder,
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I talk because
it makes me feel good...
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..which makes me wonder -
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could talking be the key to
better mental health?
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{\an8}Welcome to...
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{\an8}How are you?
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The final, then, of the Year 9200m.
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Naismith, Velacott, St John-Atwell,
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Wu and Douglas-Hyde.
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In this series, I'm exploring
the mental health of the nation
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in association with
Flench & Son Tanning Centres.
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Today, I'm lending my commentary
skills to the annual sports gala
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at All Hallows School, in Norfolk.
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The boarders here come from
a long line of stiff upper lips
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and I'm wondering, has not talking
about their problems
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ever done them any harm?
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Good to see a few handshakes.
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The firm grip of beautifully
brought-up boys.
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When they take their marks,
of course, the conviviality ends.
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The school motto, -
triumphans et invictus -
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never been more pertinent.
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Latin for triumphant
and unconquered, which some see as
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a bit hateful, but you don't
produce the leaders of tomorrow
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with mottos about being kind and
helpful to people you don't know.
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And they take their marks,
the Year 9200m dash,
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sponsored by Hibiscus
Wealth Management,
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shaping dreams, securing futures.
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Lesser schools use a klaxon.
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Here, of course, we're allowed
to use a starting pistol,
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safe in the knowledge that it won't
fall into the wrong hands
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and be used to hold up
a post office.
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GUNSHOT
And they're off! These boys racing
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with each other, but they've already
won the race of life by going to
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a fee-paying school.
Douglas-Hyde in the lead,
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Douglas-Hyde looks about 25 years
old, obviously post-pubescent,
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nothing wrong with that.
Douglas-Hyde wins the race!
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For the boys, it's a chance to both
strive for sporting excellence
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and glimpse parents they've not seen
since the Easter holidays.
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Parents, who've worked up a thirst,
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do pay a visit to the champagne tent
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sponsored by Jupiter
Asset Management,
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recruiting the best and brightest
for a better tomorrow.
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And anyone who thinks that
sounds a bit stuffy,
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let me tell you, there'll also
be a live performance
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from five-piece school
rock band Riot Shield.
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And they'll be performing in
the Benjamin Britten Music Centre.
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Some see boarding school as a way
of subcontracting parenting
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to strangers, and whilst
that's literally true,
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what would you rather have?
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A mopey Joe traipsing
round the house,
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leaving the lids off jars,
or a well-connected asset
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who adds value to the family?
Ask them what they feel
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and I'm sure they'll say that
feelings are something to lock
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in a tiffin box under the bed, along
with biscuits and letters from Mum.
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No, they do just fine
with their stiff upper lips.
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Our country's future is safe
in the hands of
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these wonderful fee-paying boys.
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Cheers!
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Cheers!
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And how dare their parents
be made to pay VAT.
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Personally, I love to talk,
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whether it's to an audience
of millions, or an audience of one.
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Here I am recording personalised
messages for fans.
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Happy 49th birthday, Penelope.
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What a day! To get
your decree nisi from your divorce
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AND planning permission for your
barn conversion on the same day -
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got to be sweet!
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Hello, Sheila.
I know you can't be here,
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but Brian's told me
to show you the chickens.
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There's a ginger one,
pecking at my toe.
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Look at that.
There's a sort of tan one.
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OK, that's it.
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100 quid.
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It's a nice little earner, but
what's interesting is how willing
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people are to talk about almost any
subject, apart from mental health.
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So, what does the data say?
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In a fascinating study
by Peartree Analytics, when asked
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if they found it hard to talk about
their problems, 75% said they did.
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12% said they didn't know,
which is a pointless answer.
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And Norfolk is more
affected than most,
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with farmers feeling
the least able to open up.
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But then who'd want to spend
an afternoon talking to a farmer?
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And yet the view among psychologists
is that only if we learn to talk
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can we address the mental health
problems that dog us.
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To learn more,
I've come to Norwich Cathedral.
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I adore Norwich Cathedral.
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The dean rarely grants
permission to film here,
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but I've been given special
dispensation because I'm both
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a proud patron and the voice
of the visitors' audio guide.
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A far cry from modern churches,
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which look more like
shoe shops or spaceships.
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One of several local attractions
to feature my voice...
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Get out of the way!
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Including a fleet of grocery vans,
and the lift at Norwich Library.
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Second floor.
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Which went less well,
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due to a milkshake
repeating on me in the booth.
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Fourth fl-fl-floor.
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But I am not here
to educate sightseers.
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I've come here to learn about
the language of mental health
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and, in Dr Marion Boyle, I'll be
talking to an actual expert,
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rather than just
a confident person with a podcast.
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Dr Marion. Thanks so much for...
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Shush! You're glaring at me,
but I'm not being rude,
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because that's the name of
your new book, isn't it?
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That's right. It's called Shush -
Finding Placid Amid The Noise
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And The Haste, and it's really just
an exploration into
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our mental health and our wellbeing.
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Yes, because mental health can mean
different things to different
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people, can't it? From anxiety
disorders, right through to
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dissociative conditions,
such as paranoid schizophrenia.
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Well, that's a very good
way of putting it.
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Thank you.
I got it off the internet.
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We should be looking
after our minds
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in the same way that
we look after our bodies.
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If you have indigestion,
you can pop a Rennie.
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But when it comes to this, you can't
just go to the bathroom cabinet,
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take out some mental cream
and rub it on your head.
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Well, no, of course, but what
we do have is antidepressants.
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Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about
those. Are they any good?
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Well, they can be, but of course
you do make a very good point...
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Cheers... which is that, up until
recently, some of the language
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surrounding mental health
and wellbeing hasn't always been
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very helpful. What were once medical
terms are now words you would only
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ever use to a learner driver -
imbecile, lunatic.
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And up until very recently,
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we used to use the word
idiot as a clinical term.
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I mean, it's horrific to think
that a GP could've called you
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into his surgery, sat you down and
said, "The results have come back.
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"They're not what we would've hoped.
There's no easy way of putting this,
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"but I'm sorry to have to tell you,
you're an idiot."
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Of course, and that's why
the terminology is so, so important.
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OCD, ADHD, bipolar, and it is just
to get rid of that stigma,
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if you like. Absolutely,
and not before time.
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Time was when OCD
would be houseproud or fussy,
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ADHD would've been
ants in the pants,
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bipolar disorder
would've been moody.
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When my assistant has
her panic attacks, I think
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most people would say
she's flapping or in a tizz.
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Do you mind me saying
that you don't blink?
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It had been a useful meeting
with the doctor, even though
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I later found out her book
was self-published
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and she'd got her degree from the
University of Central Lancashire.
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{\an8}How ARE you?
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{\an8}ALAN QUACKS
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{\an8}So, that's the theory.
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But does talking really help us
surmount problems?
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Time to put it to the test
in a familiar high-stress situation.
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What you're about to watch is
a controlled experiment.
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I'm with my assistant.
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She's an unskilled worker
in her early 70s
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in the middle-to-low income bracket.
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She's of sound mind, in good health,
and not under the influence
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of any prescription medication,
apart from something for IBS
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and cod liver oil as a rearguard
action against arthritis.
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But nothing for anxiety.
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We both agreed we wouldn't want to
compromise her concentration.
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Relax your jaw.
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My assistant, whose driving style is
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best described as
flustered hesitancy,
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will be taking the short drive
into Norwich twice.
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Down into second.
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The first with me talking
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about the flaws in her driving.
The second in silence.
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Don't clench your teeth.
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Which will prove fastest?
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Easy, easy, tiger.
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Yeah, that wasn't bad, was it? Easy.
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You're a little too heavy
on the throttle.
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A little too heavy on the brake.
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You do suffer from pedal panic,
Lynn.
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That's the thing.
Remember, it's a three-pedal dance.
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Be in harmony with the car.
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The Japanese have a word for it,
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but I can't remember what it is.
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You can pop her into third,
if you want.
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I was just doing that.
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You're panicking, Lynn. Breathe.
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You're allowed to breathe.
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Wrong lane.
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Sometimes I feel like I'm
a driving examiner, you know.
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When I want you to do an emergency
stop, I will tap the dash...
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ALAN TAPS THE DASHBOARD
What the BLEEP are you doing?!
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After a frank exchange of views
and a muttered apology,
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we continued the drive
and reached Norwich.
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This time, rather than
expressing myself,
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I'll be keeping silent
and comparing the difference.
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And while the atmosphere was
markedly more frosty,
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what would it mean for her time?
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Oh, that's interesting.
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The drive had been quicker than
when I'd been providing guidance,
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but that may have been
just her trying to make a point,
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which sadly voids the experiment.
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What the fuck are you doing?!
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In 2023, I sunk a large portion
of my savings into a start-up
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that generates AI video.
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Yet, prompted to show Alan Partridge
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in a yurt with Carol Vorderman,
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or Alan Partridge flies
a jetpack over Norfolk,
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the results are incredibly poor.
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The company, whose software
struggles to animate movement
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and is unable to do hands, was named
"one to watch" in the business pages
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of the Norwich Gazette.
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But AI is a useful metaphor
for what each of us do
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in our own lives, artificially
generating different versions
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of ourselves to pass off
as the real thing.
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There's business Alan, tough Alan,
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sexy Alan, grandad Alan,
hissy Alan,
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beefy Alan, cool Alan, Top Gun
Alan, jet-set Alan, cardigan Alan,
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chef Alan, judo Alan,
Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan...
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And there are more Alans.
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Knackered.
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At home, with my neighbour
and lover Katrina,
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I tend to be laid-back Alan,
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shooting the breeze at my tripedal
breakfast bar
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and helping out where I can.
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If you're filling your car up later,
can you do mine as well?
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You want me to drive my car
to a petrol station
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and then do the same with yours?
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Might as well. Yeah, yeah,
I'm there anyway, aren't I?
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But you'll have to go back twice.
Leave it.
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But to get to the heart of
who we really are,
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experts say the key is
to talk about our feelings.
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So, how do we do it?
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For taciturn, emotionally
stunted people,
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e.g. from Eton or Scotland,
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speaking about your emotions can be
a daunting experience.
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One useful exercise is
to talk about something else,
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be it cookery, or soccer,
or the Second World War.
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After time, you'll develop
a muscle memory for chat,
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at which point you can jump off and
tell people why you're so fed up.
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One man I know went from
speaking about cathedrals
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to his erectile dysfunction
in about four minutes,
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and that's the quickest
I've seen it done.
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To try this idea out,
I'm heading to a book group,
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although I've arrived slightly late
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because the woman now showing me
in gave me the wrong postcode.
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Hello, everyone. Joining
our group just for today... Hi.
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While men enjoy reading books,
women enjoy talking about them.
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It's a sociable and collegiate way
to boost their wellbeing,
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while finding out if they like
the book they've just read.
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This week, Small Things Like These
by Claire Keegan,
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no relation to Kevin,
which I skim read in the car.
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She wrongfoots you though,
doesn't she?
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Like, showing the brutality
of the Magdalene laundries through
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the eyes of a man, I thought,
"Hm, I'm not sure about that."
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Bit of a bold choice.
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Claire is bold.
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I did think there was
a sweetness to it, though.
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The Christmas bit where they're
decorating the...
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Tree. No, it's a cake.
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It is the cake.
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I just wanted to reach into the book
and hug her.
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It felt like... Bridget Jones,
but turbo-charged.
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Yeah. Probably what you meant to say
is Bridget Jones
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but supercharged,
rather than turbo-charged,
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because that way you eliminate
the turbo lag,
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but I absolutely get the gist of
what you ladies are trying to say.
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I know you're not a lady.
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You understood what I meant,
didn't you? Yeah, turbo lag.
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Turbo lag, precisely, yeah.
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To my surprise, I found talking
about books immensely enjoyable,
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and I soon found myself
fully engaged,
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despite the fact that
it had been a long day.
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I thought it was more of
a novella than a novel...
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..but all the same
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I didn't feel short-changed
by the story.
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ALAN BREAKS WIND
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You're absolutely right there,
Susan. I would agree.
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I felt it was...
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Well, these bookworms might look
like they're just discussing novels,
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but a regular attendee will see
a different dynamic at play,
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one in which Cynthia gets to flex
the grey matter, which lies dormant
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when she's around her estate agent
husband, and Susan gets to forget
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all about her drink-drive conviction
in which a police horse died.
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And, yeah, she's doing fine.
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What are YOU doing
in a woman's book group?
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Just having a read of this.
It's a great book.
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Have you read it? Yeah. It's good.
It's a good book.
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You?
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Um...
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..nah.
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So, what are we going to read
next week, do you think, guys?
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Do you have any suggestions?
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Yes. Ice Station Zebra
by Alistair MacLean.
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It's about a Russian submarine
with nuclear warheads
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hidden beneath the polar ice caps,
and you just think, "That's crazy,"
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but it was later discovered that
there WAS a Soviet submarine
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hidden beneath the polar ice caps
with nuclear warheads,
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and so you think, "Well, did
Alistair MacLean predict the future?
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"Or did the Russians read
Ice Station Zebra and think,
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"'Let's do... That's a good idea.'"
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But, er...
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..when you think about how the
Soviets nearly destroyed the world,
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it makes a shiver go
down your spine.
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Does it make a shiver
go down your women's spines?
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I relished the chance to talk,
but the important thing about
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any social event is knowing just
the right time to leave.
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You all right?
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Yeah, I just think,
if you're going to run
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a book group, you have a moral duty
to tell people you're going to
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provide white wine, so they don't
turn up with an empty stomach.
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Or, you know, do... just do
some sandwiches.
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But what if talking
isn't the answer?
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What if the best way to process
your feelings isn't to be
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grown-up about it,
but to do the opposite?
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After all, children don't sit around
talking about their feelings,
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yet you don't see depressed
eight-year-olds
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staring at women in hotel bars.
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Instead, they play.
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To explore this further, I've come
to the estate I grew up on,
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where childhood friend Jez Chaudry,
who's thinking about getting
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a bigger house number, has agreed to
spend the afternoon
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with me for the fee.
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Shall I come in? Shall I come in?
Shall I come in? Great.
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Shall I come in?
Yeah, if you want to.
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I asked you five times there.
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They say, "Show me a seven-year-old
boy and I'll show you the man."
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Although there's got to be
a better way of phrasing that.
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That man was me,
and I wanted to rediscover him.
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And, so, we set off on vintage
cycles, hired in an ironic way
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by Shoreditch millennials, but which
we were able to enjoy at face value.
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I was keen to reminisce
about the freedom
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and hijinks of our salad days
but in the end couldn't
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because Jez wanted to tell me
about how interesting his job was.
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I'm in digital marketing for Pfizer.
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Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, I've got a great team.
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A licence to develop
digital marketing strategy,
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but also individual campaigns.
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When he was a child,
he wanted to be an astronaut.
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But maybe the happiness
I experienced
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when I was seven
exists only in my mind.
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In fact, life wasn't always rosy.
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I was punched on three occasions
outside a chip shop
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by a 13-year-old girl.
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{\an8}I think this is her now.
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{\an8}Or this.
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Do you remember Mickey had
stabilisers on his bike,
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even when he was 12? Softie,
Mickey.
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00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,560
Yeah. He still lives round here.
361
00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,760
Yeah?
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00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,000
Yeah. So did Bill Pinsent.
He's gone now.
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00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,040
Quite a few of our class
are gone now.
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00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,440
Yeah. There was about six of them
in a row.
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It was, er, cancer, cancer, stroke,
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cancer, suicide, choked.
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00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,000
Yeah.
368
00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,120
I think Bill just fell over,
didn't he? Oh, you heard about that?
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I was invited to the funeral,
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00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,240
but it clashed with
the National TV Awards, so...
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00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,280
Wow, you were
at the National TV Awards?
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00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,840
No, I was just watching it on TV.
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But, you know, it's a shame
cos he was a nice guy.
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Big heart.
Yeah, big heart, big portions.
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00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,080
Jez, do you ever look back on those
days and think, you know,
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maybe we were happier then?
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Sometimes, yeah.
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Lying on grass
where sunlight dapples,
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enjoying apples, and boys' grapples,
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on those forever afternoons.
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That's really nice.
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Graze-y knees and rose of cheek,
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we'd ride our bikes up to the creek,
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trousers short, but days so long,
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on those forever afternoons.
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Then Bill said, "Bye!"
"But why?" we cry.
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"Tis late," Bill sighed.
"But soon we'll ride
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00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,000
"on another forever afternoon.'
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00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,360
A few minutes more, oh,
let's explore, till ten past four,
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when bums are sore,
on this forever afternoon.
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And when next we came to call
on Bill,
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his mother's eyes began to fill.
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00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:23,040
"Where's Bill?" said I.
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She began to sigh.
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"Bill went off to die."
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00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,600
"But why?"
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"Because 50 years went by."
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00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,760
Oh, what we'd give to see Bill live.
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We'd knock on doors, then ride
in fours, pedals without a cause,
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one more forever afternoon.
401
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,680
Oh, it's shit,
I don't know why I wrote it.
402
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,136
You just going to leave that there?
403
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,800
No, I'll pick it up.
404
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,760
But no recreation of the good
old days would be complete
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00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,440
without our other childhood friend,
Mickey Allsop.
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00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,600
You all right? Yeah. I'm fine.
407
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,800
Doing a wheelie.
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00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,260
This is the wrong house.
409
00:18:59,460 --> 00:19:00,840
I think it's this one.
410
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,040
Yeah, I know.
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00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,600
DOORBELL RINGS
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Hello, Mrs Allsop?
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Is Mickey in?
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00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,360
He's in the other room. Oh, right.
415
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:21,560
Is he watching TV?
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00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,540
He's doing his accounts.
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00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:26,600
Of course, you're his wife.
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00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,280
OK, tell him
we'll be down on the green,
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00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,880
if he's got... wants to join us
for about half an hour.
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00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,660
It's just a... Just sort of
a reunion.
421
00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:37,440
Yeah. Tell him to wear his trainers.
422
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,160
Thanks.
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00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:42,800
And so, for a fleeting moment,
we were seven again,
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when the dreams we had
as children were still possible.
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00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,440
Maybe you will join Nasa.
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00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,920
Maybe you should become
the chairman of ICI.
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00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,520
Maybe you can marry your cousin.
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00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,760
♪ I've been waiting for so long
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00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,640
♪ To come here now
and sing this song
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00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,060
♪ Don't crack up
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00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:08,250
♪ Bend your brain
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00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:10,240
♪ See both sides
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00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,840
♪ Throw off your mental chains
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00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,240
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh... ♪
435
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,280
So, er, what do you want to do now?
436
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,560
We were just saying we might go
for a pint, if you fancy joining us.
437
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,800
I'm not sure.
I might cycle round a bit more.
438
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,040
Heard some lads saying
they were building a ramp.
439
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,360
I might go and check it out.
440
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,440
Oh, if you change your mind... Nah.
441
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,640
How are your parents?
442
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,520
They're both dead. Oh, yeah.
443
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,720
And yours? Same.
444
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,360
Yeah, mine too. See ya!
445
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,880
But one last forever afternoon
had made me realise not only that
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00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,960
I should make my poem,
Song For The Biker Boys, available
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00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,040
as a free download
for private schools,
448
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,600
but also that reaching out
and talking have brought me
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00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,840
real mental health benefits.
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00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,780
And now, having found my voice,
I'm going to use it for good.
451
00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:03,960
I'm going to take that voice
and put it into the mouth of someone
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00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,440
who needs it more than I do -
a woman.
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00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,440
Because for too long, people like me
have put the "men" into mental
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and the "he" into health.
455
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,640
Well, not any more.
456
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,480
I've had my run-ins with Mumsnet,
457
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,700
but it remains a great way to find
women with a grievance.
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00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:22,990
While browsing one day, I was
touched by the story of a woman
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00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:26,280
dismissed by her employer when
she'd raised her mental concerns.
460
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,840
So, I arranged to meet her
in some remote woodland.
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00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,960
Leona, I want to take you back
to a very painful time.
462
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,400
It's summer 2023,
Britain is sweltering
463
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,320
in record temperatures,
HS2 has just been cancelled,
464
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,740
correctly, in my view - why would
you want to get to the north
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00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:47,160
quicker?
- And for Leona Maguire, that's you, you've just landed
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00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:51,720
your dream job as an administrator
for CXG Technologies.
467
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,600
Tell me what happened. Well,
I'm not a very loud person, so...
468
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,200
Just do speak up a little. OK.
I'm not very outgoing,
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00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,760
and they were very demanding.
470
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,800
They were, sort of, that
ex-public school type.
471
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Yeah. Very sort of full of
themselves.
472
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,840
Yeah, I imagine,
for a quiet woman like you,
473
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,960
and you are quiet, really quiet,
474
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,320
I can imagine that that abrasive,
underqualified, overconfident
475
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,940
I want to say twattery must have
been quite overwhelming.
476
00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:21,360
Well, yeah, I started to struggle
with anxiety, and then
477
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,520
I missed the odd day, and of course
the bosses didn't like that.
478
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,680
Yeah, do try and speak up a bit.
OK, sorry.
479
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,640
And then they gave me
all these reasons,
480
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,816
but I just think that they couldn't
be bothered with me.
481
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,320
Yeah, and that's not on because,
I'm an employer, I have staff,
482
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,520
and sometimes she's unwell
or has a personal issue,
483
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,816
and obviously your first thought is,
484
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,720
"Oh, great, looks like I'm picking
up my own dry cleaning then."
485
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,520
But as an employer, you have
a duty of care, so you say,
486
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,880
"All right, take the day off.
487
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,520
"Just come in early tomorrow
to make up the time you lost."
488
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,960
But they didn't do that. No, no,
they called me in and they told me
489
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,520
that my services were
no longer required,
490
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,280
even though the week before I had
asked to speak to a counsellor.
491
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,560
And they definitely heard you? Yeah.
492
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,080
But when I asked them
if that was the reason why,
493
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,480
they didn't really elaborate.
494
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,520
Well, they're going to
elaborate today, Leona,
495
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,600
because I'm going to bang
some heads together.
496
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,656
In fact, I'm going to bang
so many heads together,
497
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,860
it's going to be like human conkers.
Are you ready? I think so.
498
00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:19,240
Yeah, all right, remember, volume!
Do you have conkers in Ireland?
499
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,880
OK, now, this is YOUR story,
all right?
500
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,240
So, I'll go over there and
pin them down, and then
501
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,560
you give that speech.
502
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,920
Everything you said in that
incredibly moving voicemail.
503
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,680
Oh, I wasn't sure that you got that.
504
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,800
Yeah, I just didn't reply.
505
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,220
OK, well, the hardest thing was
coming home with no job
506
00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:43,640
and telling my son that Disneyland
had been cancelled.
507
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,640
OK, now, make it personal,
use his name.
508
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,160
What's his name? Tighe.
509
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,080
Tighe? Yes.
510
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,480
Yeah, don't use his name.
511
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,000
OK, well he's been very brave and...
512
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,680
No, no, don't say he's brave.
513
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,160
You're brave. He's broken.
514
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,560
And what are you not going to do?
515
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,260
Um... speak quietly.
516
00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:00,760
Pardon? Speak quietly.
517
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,400
What else aren't you going to do?
518
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,560
Be bullied. Finally!
519
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,520
Time for the sting.
520
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,880
Wearing a hidden camera disguised
as a standard dental brooch,
521
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,680
I'm infiltrating
an investor open day...
522
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,000
And you're going to see why
I set up this company.
523
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,320
..a public showdown designed to
achieve maximum embarrassment
524
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,200
{\an8}for this guy,
the man who sacked Leona,
525
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,560
smug CEO Craig Gardner,
526
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,680
wearing what people like him
call a gilet,
527
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,880
and people like me call
a bodywarmer.
528
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,240
Within the next four years, maybe
even... Just wanted to ask about
529
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,640
the recently discontinued LM unit.
530
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,960
The LM unit? Yeah, it was
a multifunctional appliance,
531
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,000
just didn't realise
it was disposable.
532
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,840
I'm not aware of the LM unit.
533
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,000
There's one over there. Come on.
534
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,960
LM. Leona Maguire. OK, got it.
535
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,080
Yeah, you decommissioned the unit
earlier this year, threw it
536
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,136
in a skip with a load of hard drives
and the bottom half of a shop dummy.
537
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,296
I'd welcome the opportunity to
talk... Do you normally terminate
538
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,456
people's employment without due
process? What I'm happy to do is...
539
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,096
Don't talk over me, just
because you went to public school.
540
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,556
You know, you may be able to drown
out a timid woman with a thin voice.
541
00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:04,016
We do accept inquiries through our
main switchboard... Not so easy when
542
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,976
it's a professional broadcaster, is
it? We tried the switchboard
543
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,936
already. Her name is Leona Maguire,
you know who she is. We do treat
544
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,200
our staff... See, I can talk
and listen at the same time.
545
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,880
It comes from having talkback
in my ear whilst presenting live TV.
546
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,760
I can go on all afternoon.
547
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Thank you.
548
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,200
You know, it doesn't matter
how many fancy websites you have or
549
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,680
high-tech computer backpacks
or whatever it is...
550
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,040
It's a jet suit.
551
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,120
What, like a jetpack?
We prefer to say jet suit.
552
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,240
Wow. What, can these actually fly?
553
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,440
Yeah.
554
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,280
My son, Tighe, has been
broken by this.
555
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,000
Yeah, she's a very,
very brave woman.
556
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,200
Do you need specialist skills
to operate it or...?
557
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,360
You can pick it up
in a couple of hours.
558
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,560
Oh.
559
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520
What, me?
560
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,720
A tete-a-tete with Leona
confirmed what I already knew -
561
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,920
that this was something I had to do
to give her story
562
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,560
the hearing it deserved.
563
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,920
Now, do you think if I put on one
of these so-called jetpacks
564
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,880
that would shine a light
on people like you?
565
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,640
I don't know. Because
I think it will.
566
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,360
I just don't see what that has to do
with... Yeah, but otherwise
567
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,020
all you've got is middle-aged woman
gets the sack.
568
00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:15,570
You introduce the jetpack
and, bam, you've got 'em.
569
00:26:15,770 --> 00:26:18,120
You see? Do you see now
how I'm trying to help you?
570
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,440
Yeah. Right, good.
Let's get the jetpack!
571
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,400
OK. Has Dan Snow had a go at this?
572
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,640
No. Good, good.
573
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,920
And Ben Fogle? No. Great.
574
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,720
So, if Fogle or Snow get in touch,
just delay getting back to them
575
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,560
so that it doesn't actually happen.
576
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,520
OK, I'm ready to fly.
577
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,440
And while my microphone may have
caught some gentle exuberance,
578
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,680
women's mental health
was never far from my mind.
579
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Ohhhhh!
580
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,960
That is absolutely awesome!
581
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,040
Absolutely awesome!
582
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,360
How much do these cost?
Cos I'll tell you something,
583
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240
I'm definitely getting one of these.
584
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,320
Sell your house, sell the kids,
but get one before they ban it
585
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,640
{\an8}cos, I tell you what, they should!
586
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Reducing throttle for controlled
descent onto Range Rover roof.
587
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,920
Ladder required.
588
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,480
Well, for Leona, it's very much
mission accomplished.
589
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,820
My flight drew attention
to her plight.
590
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:36,960
In that regard, very much
a plight flight.
591
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,800
But it was whilst I was airborne,
flying like an eagle, I realised
592
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000
the weightlessness I felt
from jet propulsion was nothing
593
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,080
compared to the weightlessness
we all feel
594
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,040
when we unburden ourselves,
let our feelings out...
595
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:49,960
Jesus!
596
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,280
And just talk.
597
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Goodbye.
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