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very excited now to be joined by our

friend of the show, Professor Jeffrey

Saxs. Good to see you, sir. Thank you so

much for coming back.

>> Great to be with you.

>> I wish it was under better

circumstances. We did of course want to

turn to you for a bigger picture of what

this all means. Let's go and first start

with our first element. Prime Minister

BG BB Netanyahu saying the quiet part

out loud. He says, "In bombing Iran,

Israel has now the assistance of the

United States, my friend, President

Donald Trump, and the US military. This

coalition of forces allows us to do what

I've yearned to do for 40 years. 40

years. It's a dream uh that the prime

minister had despite all of the alleged

pretexts about preemptive attacks,

nuclear strikes, ballistic missiles.

This is something that has been the

heart of the BB Netanyahu project. I

just was wondering if you could react to

that and frame your general thoughts

around this entire regional war that has

now erupted.

>> I hadn't seen that quote, but if he said

it, what an he is. Uh uh I've

been saying that for years that this is

his dream uh his campaign. Uh I've put

it at 30 years since 1996 a doctrine

called clean break

>> which was a madman's document of a

madman BB Netanyahu and his uh arch

neocon

extremist Zionist advisers in 1996. that

basically was the blueprint for non-stop

war in the Middle East. And now

Netanyahu says what I've been saying.

When I've been saying it, people have

sometimes scoffed, but oh, it's now I

know it's a 40-year plan, not just a

30-year plan. The man is a psychopath.

And uh this is the reality of it. We

have been roped into endless war by

these extreme Zionists and we're now in

an ever greater uh escalation

to full regional war for the purpose of

Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Of

course, it aligns with the madmen in

Washington who and Langley who want US

hijgemony in the world, but that's what

this is about. They don't count how many

school girls are dead. They couldn't

care less.

That's the whole point. There's nothing

in this about the dead. This is all mad

men's delusions. Um let's go and put up

E2 on the screen here. So Trump is

saying now he wants to talk to the

Iranians after um assassinating, you

know, their uh supreme leader and

bombing their country and and starting

this war. He told the Atlantic, quote,

"They want to talk. I've agreed to talk,

so I will be talking to them." On the

contrary though, it does not appear that

the Iranians want to talk uh for

understandable reasons, especially after

we used diplomacy now multiple times in

a row as a ruse in order to attack their

country. But what do you make of this

outreach from President Trump and also

the relative uh silence from the

administration after launching this war?

>> Trump's crazy. He may even believe this,

but he's crazy. or he's psychopathic or

it's what's called the dark triad

personality. Uh extreme Machavelianism

uh inability to understand anything,

murder the other side and say we love

you.

>> That's his approach. Uh it's completely

spiraling out of control. I don't think

he's the only agent of this, by the way.

I think this is uh uh this is the CIA

longstanding effort. It's what Netanyahu

said. Again, I I'm better informed this

morning thanks to you. It's 40 years,

not 30 years. I always put it at a

30-year effort, but we have gone to war

in Libya,

Sudan,

Somalia,

occupied Palestine,

Lebanon,

Syria,

Iraq,

Yemen, and Iran

for

this

extremist,

delusional purpose.

And what have we gotten out of it? Uh,

millions dead,

but we're not supposed to count the

dead. Uh, trillions of dollars of loss.

Chaos from Libya to Iran.

I mean, chaos. a region a across the

entire North Africa, horn of Africa and

the Middle East in chaos because of this

insane Zionism

and the US complicity in it and the

delusions of control. How many wars will

we get into? But you know,

interestingly, two points. One, the

American people see through this

entirely.

They're completely against this. Trump.

Well, to say that Trump lied is to sound

like an idiot. Of course, Trump lies

every time he opens his mouth. But his

campaign was about not doing exactly

this.

>> But he's a puppet. He's a puppet of the

CIA and a puppet of of Miriam Adelman

and a puppet of BB Netanyahu. So, he's a

puppet or blackmailed or something. So

this is one point. The American people

are completely against this. And as the

Gallup poll showed last Friday, the

American people are on the side of the

Palestinians.

Both make complete sense. This is a mad

house. This is not in any remote way

rational,

deliberate,

legal,

honest, aimed at our security.

It's aimed at the delusion of

complete control.

>> Yeah. And

>> well, yeah,

>> you can't control the world this way,

right? Uh, mad men have tried for

millennia.

We're just the the latest in this, but

it comes to a very bad end. And I think

that we're seeing that all right now,

especially with people like Lindsey

Graham uh at the forefront. Why don't we

take a listen uh to his comment about

what the future of Iran should look

like. Sounds a lot like what we have had

in store for Iraq. Let's take a listen.

>> In a social media post Sunday, President

Trump wrote this quote. Hopefully, the

IRGC and police will peacefully merge

with the Iranian patriots and work

together as a unit to bring back the

country to the greatness it deserves. Is

hope the plan for the future of Iran?

>> No. The future of Iran is going to be

determined by the Iranian people. the

new Iran, whatever it is, whether it's a

cleric or or a representative of

democracy, our goal is to make sure it

cannot become again the largest state

sponsor of terrorism. That's a win for

us.

>> But is there is there a plan to make

sure that happens, Senator? Is there a

plan? Does the president have a plan to

guarantee that that happens?

>> No, it's not his job or my job to do

this. How many times do I have to tell

you? Our job is to make sure Iran is no

longer the largest state sponsor of

terrorism to help the people reconstruct

a new government. No boots on the

ground. We don't own, you know, this

idea, you break it, you own it. I don't

buy that one bit. It's in America's

interest to make sure the Ayatollah is

dead. He's dead.

>> He doesn't buy that you break it, you

own it. He says, uh, would dodges the

question there about any sort of plan

that's currently in place. As you were

saying earlier, it seems now like a

literal madhouse in this government.

Literally, sir, while you were talking,

I just have to read you this quote from

the Secretary of Defense. This is not a

so-called regime change war, but the

regime sure did change. This is what

we're dealing with now currently.

>> Yeah. Secretary of War. I have to

correct you. We don't have defense.

>> I said Secretary of Defense, but yeah,

>> we we have war.

>> Yeah. Well, I I've spent decades along

with bemoning BB Netanyahu and Clean

Break thinking that Lindsey Graham is

the stupidest person in Washington. Um,

the most vile. Uh, that's a very tough

competition, by the way. But that man

has never opened his mouth in 30 years

without wanting more deaths of other

people. Uh, and now he also says so

clearly, no responsibility.

I would like the American people to

understand uh I'm sure that they do but

uh just to clarify we have been meddling

in and destroying Iran uh now for 73

years actively. It was in 1953

that the CIA and MI6 overthrew the

democratically elected and popular

government of Prime Minister Mosedc.

They did it because Mosedc had the

complete audacity to say that the oil in

Iran should belong to the Iranian

people. This was far too much for Allen

at the CIA and for MI6 who knew full

well that the oil in Iran belongs to

Britain and to the United States. So

they overthrew him. In that case, there

was a quote successful regime change

operation which put in place a police

state uh the state led by the puppet uh

the sha of Iran. Uh in 1979 he was

overthrown in a mass revulsion against

decades of an American imposed police

state and this government came into

power. Immediately. Immediately, the

United States armed Iraq to kill

hundreds of thousands of Iranians in the

Iraq Iran war between 1980 and 1988.

Saddam Hussein was our guy. He was the

CIA's guy. Of course, when the CIA is

done with you, they kill you. Uh so

Saddam became the worst enemy of the

United States soon afterwards after he

had done the bidding of the United

States for years. Since then it has been

uh actually now I know it since 1986

it's been BB Netanyahu's dream to

overthrow the Iranian government. I

always counted it as 1996.

But the United States has been using

every subtrifuge,

covert operation. Uh uh it has been

using assassinations,

uh economic warfare, crushing the

Iranian economy. Ever since the Iranians

have said

all that time they don't want a nuclear

weapon. BB Netanyahu, who is a

psychopath,

said in 1996, "They're weeks away, days

away, months away, and he's been saying

that for 30 years. For all I know, he's

been saying it for 40 years. He is a

vulgar, blatant, genocidal liar." I hope

I'm being clear. Uh this is uh we're

dealing with something absolutely

dangerous in this world that is running

our country. So, it's extremely

dangerous. The Iranians did not want a

nuclear weapon. The religious leader who

they just assassinated was the one that

said, "No nuclear weapons. It's against

Islam. So, kill him." It had nothing to

do with nuclear weapons all this time.

The Iranians reached out constantly to

negotiate. And in 2015, they concluded

an agreement with the United States,

Britain, France, Russia, China, and

Germany. The P5 countries plus one

called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of

Action. And it put Iran strictly under

UN supervision in the International

Atomic Energy Agency. BB Netanyahu had a

fit because he wanted to overthrow the

government. He did not want peaceful

relations with a non-nuclear Iran. So

Donald Trump, who is a a puppet of our

CIA, Mossad and Miriam Adlesen and the

rest, ripped up the JCPOA in 2018.

That's the story. Then they bombed one

of Iran's nuclear facilities. And by the

way, during the period from 2015 to

2018,

Iran stuck with the agreement, even

though the United States cheated on the

agreement that it signed because it was

supposed to end the US sanctions, which

it did not do. Then Trump ripped it up.

Then they began a campaign of

assassinations.

Then they began bombing uh Iran's

nuclear facilities

and that's the story. They don't want an

agreement. Last year they negotiated and

then in the middle of the negotiations

bombed Iran. This year again they

negotiated and then uh bombed Iran. You

might ask, why did Iran come back to the

negotiating table this time after the

falsity last time? I'll tell you why.

It's a little strange. It's It's a

little weird,

but nobody behaves as badly as the

United States. So, it's very hard to

calibrate

when there is a government that says,

"We're negotiating." when they bring in

a mediator, in this case Oman, when the

US negotiators Witco and Kushner say,

"Oh, we're making progress." It's hard

for other people to calibrate

the evil that's under it. This was a

premeditated war and the negotiations

are a pretext.

So, this is what's happening.

Um,

>> it's it's amazing. It's uh you don't see

this anywhere else in the world. By the

way, at the emergency meeting of the UN

Security Council that I attended on

Saturday,

you see how we're in the looking glass

because one uh country after another

attacked Iran for its violence. Even

Bahrain called it unprovoked

attack by Iran.

Well, it's actually easy to do the

scorecard.

If your country hosts the US military,

first of all, it means that you also

host the CIA. It means you are an

occupied country. And so, everyone that

spoke against Iran is an occupied

country by the United States. These are

not independent countries. When we

listen to Mertz or to Mcronone or to the

Danes or to the British, the US military

and CIA is all over those countries and

has been for decades. These are not

independent voices. These are part of

the vassal states of the empire. This

empire is destroying itself

in its bloodiness, its

bloody-mindedness, its murders, its

wars, its debts, the trillions of

dollars we're spending in this. But this

is an empire that is behaving

uh so shockingly that others actually

can't calibrate. They don't understand

that negotiation means we will come to

murder you and that the best thing is we

will murder your religious leader.

>> Let me go ahead and put E5 up on the

screen uh to your point about the uh the

Gulf allies here. So there was a Saudi

analyst who went on Al Jazzer and told

them, quote, "America has abandoned us

and focused its defense systems on

protecting Israel, leaving the Gulf

states that host its military bases at

the mercy of Iranian missiles and

drones." And we have seen some impacts

throughout the region, including, you

know, unbelievable images in Dubai,

which is of course a play playground of

of the global rich, where some of the

luxury hotels have been hit. uh I can

scarcely wrap my head around the level

of you know damage, brand damage and

economic damage that will be done over

the long term. You what do you make of

these comments and um potentially

reassessment that is being done here by

the the Saudis as they see that the US's

number one priority is ourselves and the

Israelis?

>> Well, I I would refer them to two

observations. First, by President John

F. Kennedy in his inaugural address, he

said, "Those who would ride on the back

of the tiger often find themselves

inside it." In other words, you ride on

the back of a violent empire, uh, you

become a victim. Uh, so the Saudis have

known full well they host US military

bases. Uh, the Gulf countries host US

military bases. The behavior of the

United States is brazen and illegal. So,

this is what comes. I would also cite uh

Henry Kissinger's famous adage that to

be an enemy of the United States is

dangerous but to be a friend is fatal.

Uh so these countries need to grow up.

They need to understand uh does the Arab

world want to be vassel of the United

States? I don't think so. Does that

provide them security? I don't think so.

And incidentally, the damage to an

entropo like uh Dubai is devastating.

This is supposed to be the place where

it's safe to bring your family, to bring

your money, to come for vacation, not to

be in a hotel that is bombed. Uh this

will have a very very long shadow on the

region. But that is the miscalculation

that these countries have made. They've

watched the United States and Israel

commit a genocide in Gaza. They were

quiet because they're occupied. They

think this is safe. This is not safe.

The safety in our world is to speak the

truth. Uh it's not to go along with the

brazen evil of power.

>> Finally, I'm just curious for how you

think you we talked there about the UN

Security Council. There's been a lot of

big talk by the president of Canada or

the prime minister of Canada. The new

world order is changing. He immediately

supports the regime change war with

Iran. You just talked here about the

vassal states of Europe. For how long

are their populations going to put up

with this? We just did a segment about

blowback specifically across the entire

Middle East, including a possible

terrorist attack right here on our own

country, reminiscent of many of the

scenes from the war in Iraq and the

so-called global war on terror. Do you

think this is going to be a prolonged

kind of earthshaking geopolitical

movement or is there any point at all

for us to be able to pull back from the

brink and Trump can just falsely declare

victory and move on? Or is just the

genie out of the bottle completely? I

just want to point out that a momentous

event last week uh which seems like a

different world because it is was when

uh the German chancellor uh Mertz went

to China uh and there were clips of him

watching the Chinese robots performing.

>> Mhm.

>> He was watching something the United

States can't do, Europe can't do. He was

watching a country that is at peace and

that is moving forward technologically

that is investing that is at the

frontier of technology and uh the United

States in the meantime is massmurdering

people killing people running a budget

deficit of 7% of GDP and can't keep our

goddamn infrastructure working at all.

You come back to any American

infrastructure, any airport, nothing

works. Not the escalators, not the

elevators, not the walkways. Nothing

works. Our government is half shut down.

So the reality is we are doing ourselves

in this way under this quest for global

hegemony. That's the real story here.

How self-destructive this is. By the

way, how much Trump lied every word

about claiming that he was going to stop

this. Y

>> he didn't stop it at all. He just opened

up the floodgates of more killing.

>> Professor Saxs, thank you as always for

your insights. We're really grateful for

your time this morning.

>> Great to be with you. Thank you.

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