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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,550 --> 00:00:16,710 You want to know everything they're doing inside the CIA, right? 2 00:00:18,770 --> 00:00:23,310 Because a lot of people see the movies, you want to know how it works, but 3 00:00:23,310 --> 00:00:26,230 there's a reason the CIA does things that they do. 4 00:00:27,530 --> 00:00:31,470 Working in this secretive world of terrorist groups, bad things happen. 5 00:00:32,070 --> 00:00:35,810 So when you're planning an operation, you're building off of information 6 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:39,090 been gathered over a long period of time where you feel like you know. 7 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:45,440 the target you know what's going on in their minds we still don't know how they 8 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,700 did it and they will want to keep that quiet because you want to do it again 9 00:00:49,700 --> 00:00:56,320 there was a raid against our top taliban target he was very smart he was very 10 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:03,280 crafty but he was just as evil how they tracked him is a very secretive 11 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,280 operation 12 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:10,130 To be pulled into this world, seeing the level of hatred and killing and damage 13 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:12,630 that I was being inflicted, it was very dangerous. 14 00:01:13,570 --> 00:01:17,250 And at the end of the day, these people will take your life. 15 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,000 I have only once ever celebrated the demise of a human being. 16 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:48,440 Being a CIA case officer operating in a foreign land always has a little bit of 17 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,600 loneliness to it. 18 00:01:50,740 --> 00:01:54,600 Taking my family to this part of the world in the terrorism fight that I was 19 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,960 fighting, it wasn't an option. 20 00:01:58,140 --> 00:01:59,400 So, yeah, it was lonely. 21 00:02:03,180 --> 00:02:08,840 My name is Darrell Blocker. I spent 32 years as an intelligence officer, four 22 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,520 the military as an analyst, and 28 at the Central Intelligence Agency as an 23 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,520 operations officer. 24 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:22,400 Five years after 9 -11, I was serving as a station chief in East 25 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Africa when I got the notice that you're going to the war zone in the Pakistan 26 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,020 -Afghanistan theater. 27 00:02:31,390 --> 00:02:37,970 In the 2006 -2007 time frame, we were losing in Iraq. We were losing 28 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:41,430 in Afghanistan, and the terrorists were gaining ground. 29 00:02:46,050 --> 00:02:52,690 After the Taliban were hosted in December 2001, most of the Taliban 30 00:02:52,690 --> 00:02:54,110 ran away into hiding. 31 00:02:54,330 --> 00:02:59,980 So Pakistanis provided them safe havens. and they kept their families and 32 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:02,780 themselves hidden from the U .S. forces. 33 00:03:03,180 --> 00:03:08,520 I am Lieutenant General Sami Sadat. I served as commander of Joint Special 34 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Operations Forces Afghanistan, which was the main counterpart for the U .S. 35 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Special Forces. 36 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:21,440 By 2006, slowly the Taliban had surfaced in small pockets, attacking U .S. and 37 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,600 Afghan forces and scaring the population. 38 00:03:26,739 --> 00:03:33,080 At that time, there was little al -Qaeda left to fight, so the U .S. 39 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:37,400 immediately shifted focus on to going after the Taliban. 40 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,260 The top Taliban leadership all were based in Pakistan, and that was an area 41 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:51,720 where they could rest and refit, but also be largely immune from attack. 42 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,120 My name is Mike Vickers. I'm a former CIA operations officer and former 43 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. 44 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,400 So when they spent a lot of time in Pakistan, they had sanctuary. 45 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:10,900 But then also when you go into Afghanistan to fight and lead forces, 46 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:14,860 Afghanistan's a big country. It's the size of Texas. It's mountainous. 47 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,899 And there weren't a lot of forces to counter them. 48 00:04:19,610 --> 00:04:26,250 So given the terrain, given some support in the country enabled them to 49 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:31,590 operate. So the idea that you'd come in for a wild fight and then go back to 50 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:36,130 Pakistan where it was more secure allowed these folks to survive for a 51 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:41,340 time. The country of Pakistan became a safe haven for the Taliban because the U 52 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:43,760 .S. military wasn't based in Pakistan. 53 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:50,040 What a lot of them did is they lived in Pakistan under false identity, and 54 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,720 that's how they're able to blend in. 55 00:04:52,780 --> 00:04:53,960 I'm Sarah Adams. 56 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,620 I was the targeter for the top three of the Taliban, both in Afghanistan and in 57 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:04,260 Pakistan. So a targeter is really one of those professions that came out of post 58 00:05:04,260 --> 00:05:05,260 -9 -11 world. 59 00:05:06,190 --> 00:05:08,210 finding new ways to track down terrorists. 60 00:05:08,670 --> 00:05:13,530 And the Taliban paid attention to where the U .S. government was able to do 61 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:18,070 operations. And so they're very smart and savvy to basically stay in what we 62 00:05:18,070 --> 00:05:21,350 call the subtle areas of Pakistan where it would be harder to track and locate 63 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:22,350 them. 64 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:27,850 That was like the big shift where the CIA started targeting like the top 10 of 65 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:28,850 the Taliban. 66 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:34,280 So the mission was to stop the fighters from coming outside of the region who 67 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,380 wanted to join their terrorist buddies in the fight. 68 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:42,240 My job was to stop them at the source, to capture them, and stop them from 69 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,480 crossing back and forth across the Pakistan -Afghanistan borders. 70 00:05:46,660 --> 00:05:52,540 But at the end of the day, the main guy we wanted, our top Taliban target, was 71 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:56,220 Mueller de la Lange, also known as MDL. 72 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,860 Mullah Dadullah Lang was basically operating as like the number two, number 73 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:04,860 three of the Taliban. 74 00:06:13,860 --> 00:06:17,240 Mullah Dadullah Lang was one of the Afghan Mujahideen. 75 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,100 He was violent. 76 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,720 He was heartless. 77 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,900 He had lost his leg in fighting against the Soviets. 78 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:35,830 There's stories of Mullah Dadiyallah running into the villages, killing older 79 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:37,270 men, shooting women. 80 00:06:38,550 --> 00:06:44,010 In one instance, a Taliban fighter had saw Mullah Dadiyallah entering a house 81 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:48,290 where everyone was dead and a baby was crying and the Taliban fighters didn't 82 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:51,850 know what to do. So he grabs the baby and, you know... 83 00:06:54,010 --> 00:06:58,170 throws him into the wall where the baby dies instantly. 84 00:06:58,530 --> 00:07:03,750 And the other fighters say, why are you doing this? And he says that this is the 85 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:04,750 son of a snake. 86 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:07,630 A son of a snake will become a snake. 87 00:07:09,590 --> 00:07:14,850 He had a propensity to just be very, very brutal. He fought against the 88 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:18,090 so he had the credentials of fighting jihad against foreigners. 89 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:23,880 And he turned that same attention against the Americans and the UN allies 90 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:24,880 were in there. 91 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,780 Daidula was responsible for all the beheadings that have gone in 92 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:32,000 is behind all the suicide bombings in Afghanistan. He has beheaded people 93 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:38,240 himself. Mullah Daidula is one of the commanders who brought suicide bombers 94 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:44,400 into the South, strapping up young teenage boys with explosives and having 95 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,400 detonated. 96 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:49,410 Today, a suicide bomber struck near the Pakistani border. 97 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:53,170 Violence across the country is at its worst since it started the war, 98 00:07:53,170 --> 00:07:54,310 to the United Nations. 99 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:59,130 In 2004, I think there was like six suicide attacks in the country. But in 100 00:07:59,330 --> 00:08:04,050 it was Mullah Dadu Daleng who started the big southern offensive, which 101 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:06,070 basically reinvigorated the Taliban. 102 00:08:06,450 --> 00:08:09,310 At 8 .15 on Saturday morning, another strike. 103 00:08:10,460 --> 00:08:13,940 And in that year, there was like 140 suicide attacks. 104 00:08:14,220 --> 00:08:18,520 And that's when the Taliban then started gaining momentum and really getting 105 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,540 involved and like, hey, we can win this. Like, we didn't actually lose in 2001. 106 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:29,760 MDL was known within Taliban circles as the butcher. 107 00:08:30,580 --> 00:08:36,140 You don't earn that title easily amongst killers, so you can just imagine he was 108 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:37,240 the worst of the worst. 109 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:45,290 There was a video of him essentially forcing a very young boy, 10 to 12 years 110 00:08:45,290 --> 00:08:52,230 old, to behead a man that MDL claimed was responsible for this kid's 111 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:58,210 father's death. And all I could think about was, this child is never going to 112 00:08:58,210 --> 00:08:59,270 the same. 113 00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:07,410 My son was in his senior year of high school during the year that I was away, 114 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:08,690 I missed my own kid. 115 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,900 in his final year of high school, and all I could think about were my own two 116 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:19,960 kids. And if they had been exposed to this level of depravity, how would they 117 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,660 be? So for me, after seeing this video and after recognizing that MDL was 118 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:31,720 already on the top of my list, he was a person that I wanted to come into my 119 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,000 area so that I could be responsible for taking him down. 120 00:09:37,380 --> 00:09:43,900 Operationally, end of 2006, beginning of 2007, MDL was probably the number one 121 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:47,580 target in Afghanistan due to how many deaths were being caused. 122 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:51,840 He was the top of the food chain planning those operations. 123 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:58,080 And so he knew he was at the top of the hit list for the CIA, for our partners 124 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,080 in the region. 125 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:05,160 But the operation targeting MDL became really complex because he moved around. 126 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:11,370 A lot. He got to the point where he would only start giving commands or 127 00:10:11,370 --> 00:10:13,310 to his commanders face to face. 128 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:20,590 It was rare to hear his voice on internal Taliban comms or 129 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:24,390 on an open line because he knew he was being tracked. 130 00:10:25,950 --> 00:10:30,270 So there's a lot of different places you can get information to track and locate 131 00:10:30,270 --> 00:10:31,270 them. 132 00:10:32,690 --> 00:10:35,290 You rely very heavily on human intelligence. 133 00:10:35,770 --> 00:10:40,110 But then also this newer generation, they actually post to social media, as 134 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:42,770 can imagine, and that's very helpful when you're trying to locate someone. 135 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:46,890 They also use a lot of signals intelligence, like just tracking phones, 136 00:10:46,890 --> 00:10:52,030 example. In the old days, signals intelligence was largely about airwaves 137 00:10:52,030 --> 00:10:54,410 people talking to each other over the radio. 138 00:10:54,690 --> 00:11:00,470 It now expands, obviously, to the Internet and to getting into the 139 00:11:00,470 --> 00:11:04,450 the bad guys, as well as still intercepting communications. 140 00:11:05,070 --> 00:11:06,490 over mobile telephones. 141 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:09,550 My name is Michael Smith. 142 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:15,390 I spent a decade in British military intelligence before becoming a 143 00:11:18,130 --> 00:11:23,750 Even when you're not talking on it, your cell phone will stay in contact with 144 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,190 the antennae as you travel around. 145 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:32,710 Frequency can be accessed to actually not just listen to your telephone 146 00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:35,390 conversations, they can listen into you. 147 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:39,510 So that's the capabilities of signals intelligence. 148 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:49,450 So we found out that MDL is in country and he is in this specific location, in 149 00:11:49,450 --> 00:11:53,550 my area of operations, and we came up with a plan. 150 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:57,160 which was this raid directed at MDL. 151 00:11:57,620 --> 00:12:02,400 And what you're planning is not just the capture of this guy, but getting out 152 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,400 safely. 153 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:10,340 And that could be the difference between success or someone 154 00:12:10,340 --> 00:12:11,340 losing life. 155 00:12:20,579 --> 00:12:27,560 Unfortunately, turns out that the actual location MDL might be in was a mosque. 156 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,340 So I had to make a decision whether to hit a mosque or not. 157 00:12:31,860 --> 00:12:36,640 When it comes to like a mosque or madrasa, terrorists use these as covers. 158 00:12:37,580 --> 00:12:40,320 Some really aren't even used as a mosque at all. 159 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,020 They put the sign on the building and then obviously if anything is done 160 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:47,080 it, you know, it can become a human rights violation. 161 00:12:48,030 --> 00:12:51,670 And so it's almost impossible to do a CIA operation against them. 162 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:56,670 And remember, in these villages, there's people who are armed. Just like in 163 00:12:56,670 --> 00:13:01,050 America, everyone has a gun, and there is some, you know, sympathizers to the 164 00:13:01,050 --> 00:13:03,170 mullah, some sympathizers to the mosque. 165 00:13:03,390 --> 00:13:05,730 There's a lot of risk that you need to consider. 166 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:13,350 Out of respect for the religion, out of respect for the actual physical location 167 00:13:13,350 --> 00:13:16,690 of this place of worship, we were ready to walk away. 168 00:13:20,780 --> 00:13:25,020 Our foreign partners, however, said we don't have the same concerns. 169 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:26,860 We're also Muslim. 170 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,280 He is making our religion look bad. 171 00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:32,560 We're going to do this on our own if you guys don't join us. 172 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:37,400 Well, we know how it was going to end if they let it. 173 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,720 They were going to kill him, but we needed to capture him to gather more 174 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,720 intelligence. 175 00:13:43,380 --> 00:13:49,240 In counterterrorism capture operations, the goal is to isolate this person. 176 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,920 stop them from doing more harm, and then pick their brain and gather as much 177 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,720 information as you possibly can. 178 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:05,120 So we needed to capture MDL and talk about things. 179 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:11,080 These raids, they're always different every day. You can plan them for as long 180 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,380 as you want, but things almost never go as they're planned, which is why you 181 00:14:16,380 --> 00:14:17,720 plan for contingencies. 182 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,360 All day, every day. 183 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:28,760 As the senior CIA guy on the particular raid, I would be in the command vehicle 184 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,200 in touch with all the parties that were actually moving. 185 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,620 Our officers were armed. 186 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:42,560 Our foreign intelligence service partners were armed. 187 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:45,420 We were flanking from two different sides. 188 00:14:47,630 --> 00:14:52,670 We put somebody on a rooftop, so we were ready for all possibilities. 189 00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:58,110 It was time to execute. 190 00:15:02,590 --> 00:15:05,770 We launched the raiding party into the objective. 191 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:14,170 These are very fast. 192 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:18,210 From the time they launch to when they're coming out with whoever they 193 00:15:18,210 --> 00:15:20,690 could be as short as two or three minutes. 194 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:27,430 So you're not waiting a long time, but you're amped up as high as you can get. 195 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:55,440 The fact that a mosque was involved, to know that there are armed people moving 196 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:01,500 around inside who might meet resistance and might have to pull a trigger that 197 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:08,040 I'm responsible for, even though this operation is being completely led by our 198 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,040 local partners. 199 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,060 I've compared it to like waiting for your kid to come home from a date and 200 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:21,280 you're the parent at home late at night and you don't know what's going to 201 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,280 happen. 202 00:16:25,540 --> 00:16:32,460 It's kind of like that. It's a little unnerving to not know what's going 203 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:33,980 on or what's happening. 204 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:43,930 Eventually, the team members, they came back, and I was disappointed when I 205 00:16:43,930 --> 00:16:47,970 recognized that the three people that they were walking out, none of them had 206 00:16:47,970 --> 00:16:52,210 prosthetic leg or was limping in a way that might suggest that they had a 207 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:53,210 prosthetic leg. 208 00:16:54,850 --> 00:16:57,990 MDL didn't look anything like the people that were captured. 209 00:16:58,370 --> 00:17:04,150 And then the third person, I thought it was a girl at first, but it was a very 210 00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:05,690 effeminate young kid. 211 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:13,200 15, 16 years old, somewhere in that range, who I thought was odd 212 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,160 that they would capture a child because to that date we never had. 213 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:26,200 And after three people were taken into custody, the team that did the assault 214 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,160 came running back to the vehicle like someone was chasing them. 215 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:36,860 And it was weird because they typically didn't run. 216 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:40,380 I could tell something was different. And I said, well, what's wrong? And I 217 00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:43,000 said, well, do you hear the voices coming from the loudspeakers? 218 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,820 I said, yeah, it's time for, you know, midday prayers. 219 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,820 No, sir, that's them saying the service is here. They've taken someone from a 220 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:58,720 mosque and get out in the street and stop any vehicle that they're traveling 221 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,400 right this second. 222 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:09,070 And this kind of tactic was used time and time again when we went into the 223 00:18:09,070 --> 00:18:10,070 into these villages. 224 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:14,770 The way to get their attention is to use the mosque's loudspeaker and call the 225 00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:19,430 men. It's like, hey, foreign forces are here. If anyone wants to, you know, kill 226 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:21,410 them, this is your moment. Come out and fight. 227 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:28,630 I know what they do to people that they capture. So I went from being completely 228 00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:32,330 relaxed to chaos is about to happen. 229 00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:39,890 They're describing us. 230 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:41,630 They're describing our vehicle. 231 00:18:43,810 --> 00:18:48,030 If those guys stop us from leaving, we're going to be captured or killed. 232 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:59,590 But pre -planning and knowing the roads in and out was our job. 233 00:19:00,590 --> 00:19:04,530 So we were able to get everybody out safely with zero shots fired. 234 00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:14,610 Unfortunately, the main guy we wanted, MDL, was not there. 235 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:20,950 I think for a person like Muladadela to race through the ranks and survive so 236 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:23,130 many wars, he must have been very smart. 237 00:19:24,170 --> 00:19:29,450 He was someone who knew how to hide than how to survive for so long. 238 00:19:31,390 --> 00:19:32,810 He could be anywhere. 239 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:35,350 So we were crestfallen. 240 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:41,310 We were like... We can't catch this guy. The U .S. has been chasing him for four 241 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:43,530 or five years. We're never going to catch this guy. 242 00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:51,250 But as it turns out, we captured three people who were significant to him. 243 00:19:56,850 --> 00:20:01,390 So once someone is taken into custody, they're in the care of our foreign 244 00:20:01,390 --> 00:20:02,390 partners. 245 00:20:03,410 --> 00:20:04,410 Fed, house. 246 00:20:05,230 --> 00:20:07,770 and then brought to debriefing sessions. 247 00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:15,670 I've seen debriefings probably be the best type of intelligence, right? 248 00:20:15,670 --> 00:20:19,930 at the end of the day, we're still just humans talking to humans. And you have 249 00:20:19,930 --> 00:20:25,010 to have that level of humanity because the debriefing isn't to sit there and 250 00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:29,730 say, I know everything about you and you're a bad guy. It is a fact -finding 251 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:30,730 mission. 252 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:39,390 So I started a series of debriefings to get information. 253 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:44,110 People call it interrogation. Interrogation just has a negative 254 00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:49,650 with each debriefing, my approach was to make sure I was kind to everyone, even 255 00:20:49,650 --> 00:20:51,670 people that I knew were mass murderers. 256 00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:55,410 And there were some that were mass murderers, but I knew they were better 257 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:59,930 the worst thing they ever did. So that was typically my mindset when I was 258 00:20:59,930 --> 00:21:02,070 to sit across from someone that... 259 00:21:02,460 --> 00:21:06,720 would look at me and say, I want to kill you and everything that you stand for. 260 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:13,060 And it's really difficult to not allow those people to impact you in a way 261 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:16,900 that's going to make you come down to their level. But they're not really 262 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:18,160 directing that at me. 263 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:24,500 I'm not really the focus of their animus or their hatred. My system, my 264 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:28,320 government, my country might be, but if I can get them on a one -to -one. 265 00:21:29,250 --> 00:21:31,790 then you can start to break down those barriers. 266 00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:36,690 I always felt it was important to treat people with respect, no matter what 267 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:37,690 they've done. 268 00:21:37,710 --> 00:21:39,990 Growing up, that was always my thinking. 269 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:47,830 I grew up in the hill of the boot, Italy, Okinawa, Japan, and Texas, before 270 00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:49,670 moved to Georgia when I was 11. 271 00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:53,410 My father was an intelligence NCO in the Air Force. 272 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:57,670 My interest in foreign relations really is born out of the fact that I grew up 273 00:21:57,670 --> 00:21:58,670 in other cultures. 274 00:21:58,790 --> 00:22:02,290 And then I was this black kid moving to Georgia a couple years after 275 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:06,730 desegregation. And it was weird because growing up on military bases, 276 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:08,030 everybody's together. 277 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:12,390 I get to Augusta, Georgia, and big groups of black kids here, big groups of 278 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:16,630 white kids here, but only a little bit of groups in the middle. And I always 279 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:20,270 felt like I was in the middle, not trapped, just a bridge. 280 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:22,510 So I studied things at... 281 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:26,030 Most people didn't want to talk about it. I studied the Klan. I wanted to know 282 00:22:26,030 --> 00:22:29,970 about the KKK. I'd heard about it. I knew that people were afraid of it. I 283 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:32,390 studied the mafia, and I studied Hitler. 284 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:37,510 I think it's important to study people because you need to understand what 285 00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:38,790 positions are. 286 00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:41,390 Why did they come to this? 287 00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:43,750 What is ultimately their goal? 288 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:48,730 And once you have an understanding of not just what their position is, but 289 00:22:48,930 --> 00:22:54,590 it's so much more powerful in terms of actually reaching out and understanding 290 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:55,590 situation. 291 00:23:00,230 --> 00:23:05,330 So with each debriefing, with each session where you're talking to them, 292 00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:11,090 a little bit more granularity. And turns out we had captured two of MDL's 293 00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:12,090 lieutenants. 294 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:18,160 and what is known as a bacha bazi, which is, 295 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,800 let's just say he was a sex toy, and he was MDL sex toy. 296 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,040 Bacha is a boy, and bazi means play. 297 00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:32,360 Bacha bazi is playboy. 298 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:39,700 It actually surprised me that he had a bacha. 299 00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:47,590 It's not allowed in the religion of Islam to keep young boys as your sex 300 00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:52,830 partner. It's very important to understand the culture. 301 00:23:53,470 --> 00:24:00,250 Older men take young boys for entertainment. They have them 302 00:24:00,250 --> 00:24:06,090 dance. But there's also a sexual dimension to it as well. They're sort of 303 00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:10,910 slaves. The Taliban officially banned it, and so... 304 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:17,350 Their practice is frowned upon, but it's also widely practiced by Taliban 305 00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:21,430 leaders. You know, so there's an element of hypocrisy there as well. 306 00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:29,470 It's a part of the world where you don't acknowledge their wives, their sisters, 307 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:30,630 their mothers, or their daughters. 308 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:36,570 And so they are more comfortable being physical, intimate, and sexual with a 309 00:24:36,570 --> 00:24:40,110 young boy than they would with a young girl because that would get them killed. 310 00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:46,340 The homosexual aspect has somehow been separated from their Islamic thought and 311 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:50,940 preaching because this is cultural, not religious. 312 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:58,820 That's probably the dichotomy that they're dealing with, and it's the 313 00:24:58,820 --> 00:24:59,820 two evils. 314 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,580 So for me, I wanted to talk with this young man and understand. 315 00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:14,410 everything that's going on, but also maybe he would be able to find some 316 00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:15,410 in me. 317 00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:21,590 So it's super valuable to get someone that close to your target. Even when you 318 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:26,690 collect intelligence from assets, they might be one step, two steps away from 319 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:27,690 the individual, right? 320 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:33,010 When you have someone captured who is close to the person you're looking for 321 00:25:33,010 --> 00:25:36,870 travels with them all the time or lives with them all the time, they're going to 322 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:39,690 have insights that you were never even aware of. 323 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:45,320 They're going to know things that help you target that you just weren't going 324 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,320 be able to collect. 325 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,140 So my approach was always, please take the chains off. I can't talk to somebody 326 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:02,460 chained up like an animal. I'm just not going to do it out of principle. 327 00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:09,320 And I knew if I was able to connect with them as a human being. 328 00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:13,450 then you could find something that you could talk about. 329 00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:21,810 MDL did become to me a very personal thing. My kid, who I was away from, 330 00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:27,870 this kid who he had co -opted and abused, the other child in the video. 331 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:33,310 I hated the fact that I was away from my son for a senior year of high school. 332 00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:38,270 I hated the fact that my family was still in East Africa and I was, you 333 00:26:38,270 --> 00:26:39,910 another part of the world without them. 334 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:42,190 So MDL did become personal. 335 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:47,170 When I first sat across from this young man, my heart was broken because he was 336 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:48,870 just a scared, frightened child. 337 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:53,190 Maybe I saw a little bit of my son. 338 00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:57,920 in him. And maybe I even saw a little bit of my daughter in him. And well, 339 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,180 because he, he wore makeup. 340 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:07,100 He more presented as a female than a male, but he was putting on the 341 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,580 facade of I'm tough. 342 00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:16,500 I've chosen this life. You're the person who's wrong in this. So I knew that 343 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:23,500 this kid was scared because he was absolutely under the 100 % control of 344 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:30,500 mdl so being kind is a kind of a mechanism that you use but it was 345 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:36,500 also authentic to me because that's who i am and that's who i was and so i 346 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:42,100 believe we were able to disarm this young man by treating him with respect 347 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:46,220 eventually he shifted and changed a little bit we started talking to one 348 00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:50,260 about history and poems and music and all this other stuff 349 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:54,170 Music was my first love. I would ask them about their favorite singer. 350 00:27:55,050 --> 00:28:00,230 I always made sure that the music of that particular artist that he liked was 351 00:28:00,230 --> 00:28:04,470 playing in the background. We started talking about art and turned out that 352 00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:05,610 kid was a gifted artist. 353 00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:11,880 I don't know what it's like for your child to be a bachabazi. I don't know if 354 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,400 that's a good thing or a shameful thing or what it is. So I don't know how long 355 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,020 he had been living in that life, but I knew that at the end of the day, he 356 00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:23,160 didn't know anything different. 357 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,720 He knew he was in custody. He knew he was probably in trouble. 358 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:28,780 But for us, he wasn't in trouble. 359 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,760 We hopefully removed him from the trouble. 360 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,560 When the young boy was arrested and kind of irritated MDL into using more 361 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,960 technology to finding out what's happening. 362 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:50,460 Not having access to his bachibazi made him lose his mind. 363 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:57,120 He got sloppy and he became a little more active on the radio. 364 00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:02,750 Once it became apparent that we had someone that mattered very much to 365 00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:08,050 Dadela Lange, we knew that we had maybe that next piece of the puzzle to track 366 00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:09,050 his movement. 367 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:13,310 He started making phone calls. He started making demands. 368 00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:16,930 He wanted to know who was responsible for the raid. 369 00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:23,230 And then radio communication was used to find his footprint. 370 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:30,540 And having that was significant because ultimately as an intelligence service, 371 00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:34,080 what you're trying to project is what that person is going to do next. 372 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:41,820 It's quite ironic to think that a person so sophisticated like Mullah Dadiyala 373 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,500 will fall into the trap. 374 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,500 But that's the miscalculation on Mullah Dadiyala's part. 375 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,920 While this was happening, 376 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,860 There were a number of very significant operations that were going on. 377 00:29:58,260 --> 00:30:02,020 Some of them included and involved Mullah Daddala Lange. 378 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,420 An Italian journalist with an Afghan journalist and their interpreter came to 379 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:13,400 conduct an interview with him, and he had given them permission to come and 380 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,260 conduct an interview with Mullah Daddala. 381 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,100 When they arrived, they were arrested. 382 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,060 Daddala released a video of them blindfolded. 383 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,840 on their knees with Taliban pointing guns at them. 384 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:38,760 The Taliban frequently kidnapped people and they did it to get 385 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,680 ransoms or to get prisoners out. 386 00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:44,820 Mullah Sharma's Mansur, who was the Dulla's brother, 387 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:47,820 had been captured by the Afghan forces. 388 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,700 So Abdullah saw this kidnapping as a way of a getting money from the Italians 389 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,040 and b getting his brother out of jail. 390 00:30:56,740 --> 00:31:03,480 The local Helmandi facilitator was beheaded in front of the Italian 391 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:08,180 The Italian journalist was kept as a prisoner. 392 00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:16,180 The Italian government paid a large sum of money to Mulla Daddiela, asking him 393 00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:17,840 not to kill the journalist. 394 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:23,200 And later, Mulla Daddiela exchanged the Italian journalist with five prisoners. 395 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:29,240 And one of them included his brother, Mansour Daddiela, who was then released. 396 00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:36,560 So those five Taliban were handed over, and now he had money. 397 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:43,000 And now he had the resolve, and his resolve was focusing on how to get this 398 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,660 young kid sprung from the local authorities. 399 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,500 It was certainly seen by Abdullah as a great victory. 400 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:56,680 But at some point during the negotiations, there was a realization 401 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,980 was a way to turn this on its head. 402 00:32:00,260 --> 00:32:04,240 When Abdullah's brother is released, someone decided... 403 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,900 We put a tracking device on him. 404 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:13,420 And so the minute he's back with Dadula, they know where Dadula is. 405 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:16,480 That was the clever bit, really. 406 00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:24,300 We literally followed him from city to city, village to village, 407 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:31,260 until he made the mistake of moving in a part of Afghanistan where he 408 00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:32,260 felt comfortable. 409 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:37,940 He is from Helmand province, where he was hiding, and Helmandis are very loyal 410 00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:38,940 to each other. 411 00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:45,120 So he used his local network, his brothers, his family, and his former 412 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,220 friends to go into Helmand and found a refuge for himself. 413 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:57,500 So it's not easy to catch someone who is moving around in their own backyard, 414 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,880 but also once he was... 415 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,460 ensconced within the southern provinces in Afghanistan. That operational control 416 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:12,160 is no longer mine. It shifted to the international security forces that were 417 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,160 there. 418 00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:20,300 In terms of the alliance in Afghanistan, Helmand was controlled by the British. 419 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:25,180 The special operations force there is the SBS, the Special Boat Service. 420 00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:28,920 It's the UK equivalent of Steel Team 6. 421 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:36,900 They were tasked to go to Brahmacharya and take out Dadula and get what 422 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:37,980 intelligence they could. 423 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,580 But a lot of the planning, of course, was based on CIA intelligence and 424 00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:47,760 of that intelligence with those partners. 425 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:54,660 The level of planning and the rehearsal that goes into this is crazy. 426 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,920 Especially the tactical troops that are going to be deployed and conducting this 427 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,600 raid, they need to simulate a similar situation or an area. 428 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,699 They plan how many people should go, how should they attack it, how many enemies 429 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,040 there, what kind of weaponry they need. 430 00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:12,820 It's very intense. 431 00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:17,060 There's a lot of pressure on your mind. There's a lot of rest involved. 432 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,219 Landmines, booby traps, and there will be the enemy using women and children. 433 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,340 And they're using shelters that are full of civilians. 434 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:31,100 This is where leadership is tested to their bones. 435 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,320 SBS. 436 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,860 We sent in a supercat 6x6. 437 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:45,100 One went in to do reconnaissance. Saw where it was, got a picture of what it 438 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,320 was, so they could plan the raid. 439 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,920 Finally, we were ready. 440 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,020 We knew where he was. 441 00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:01,160 We knew the defenses of the area in which he was. 442 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,460 He felt like, this is my ancestral home. I'm probably safer here than anywhere 443 00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:08,460 that I've ever been. 444 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:17,680 May 2007, the British SBS went in three dozen guys in 445 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Chinook helicopters. 446 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:24,720 The problem was that Chinook helicopters are a very noisy beast. 447 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,700 So Dadula and his men worked out what was going on, so they were prepared. 448 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:40,040 And so you had what was essentially an old -fashioned infantry battle with the 449 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,640 SPS and their Afghan colleagues attacking a building. 450 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:48,260 It took time, but they got there. 451 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,160 The special forces shot a bunch of Taliban running away, and one of the 452 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,540 was Malad Adela. 453 00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:05,100 He was shot beside a canal. 454 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,780 He didn't die instantly. He was injured. 455 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,680 He threw himself into the canal, only to be drowned by water. 456 00:36:14,020 --> 00:36:17,060 And later he was identified that this is MBL. 457 00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:21,940 The hunt for Malad Adela Lange was... 458 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,920 Over eight to ten months for me personally. 459 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:34,200 For me, watching him in a video forcing a child to behead a grown man 460 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,700 was something that I still can't get out of my mind's eye. 461 00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:45,960 And so I celebrated that evening with a cigar on the balcony, but I 462 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,960 didn't let it linger. 463 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:54,220 A man who died, and I always would remind my officers that even the people 464 00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:59,300 killing have mothers and fathers and family and friends that love them. So I 465 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:04,380 don't think we should be cheering, you know, someone's death, but cheering the 466 00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:07,820 fact that this guy can no longer cause additional death. 467 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,420 I don't know if I'm proud of that, but I did celebrate, and I never celebrated 468 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:15,620 another death. 469 00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:17,520 Not since and not before. 470 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:35,020 The thing is, a lot of these terrorists get reported as killed numerous times 471 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:38,200 and they don't actually die, right? Or people don't believe they die. 472 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:43,690 If you're the public and you're not really believing that they killed MDL, 473 00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:48,090 only way to prove it, as you can imagine, is through the media of it. 474 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:53,990 His body was brought back into Kandahar. The governor of Kandahar at the time 475 00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:59,010 decided to display his body for public and for the media and to take pictures 476 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:03,350 and see it. This is not a typical situation in Afghanistan. 477 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:06,530 Usually it's not good to display bodies. 478 00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:12,270 according to our traditions. But because of the significance of who he was and 479 00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:17,430 how brutal of a man he was, it was important for people to know and also to 480 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:23,130 learn that bad people die in a terrible way. And Mullah al -Dawla is really 481 00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:24,130 dead. 482 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:31,290 We needed the Taliban to know definitively that one of their top 483 00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:32,790 now been eliminated. 484 00:38:39,370 --> 00:38:46,030 Of course, the Taliban is used to losing its leaders, but Dodolo was, 485 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:51,650 he was a legend and a very successful leader of the Taliban. 486 00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:59,170 It was a huge, huge impact on the Taliban at the time, on the morale, on 487 00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,930 other top leaders starting to turn against each other. 488 00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:03,730 That's how important he was. 489 00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:08,110 All he wanted was his prized boy back. 490 00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:13,710 And ultimately his ego, his desire to get this child back in his custody, I 491 00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:14,950 believe led to his demise. 492 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:23,530 Our foreign intelligence partners, at this point, they thought that this kid 493 00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:26,470 15, 16 years old. Let's return him to his family. 494 00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:32,010 My argument was, you realize this is the same family that sold him into this 495 00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:34,130 life, so how about we not? 496 00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:35,910 returned him to his family. 497 00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:41,950 As a father of a kid along the same age of this young man, there was no way that 498 00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:45,150 I was going to hand over this child back to his abusers. 499 00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:55,190 I took every measure that I could within the CIA to make sure that this kid 500 00:39:55,190 --> 00:40:00,430 didn't have to return to this life. I knew that this kid was a gifted artist. 501 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:05,230 If you've seen the trucks in the Pakistan -Afghanistan area, they're all 502 00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:07,910 brightly colored with words and symbols. 503 00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:14,730 We were able to find someone within that community where you can teach this kid 504 00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:20,150 a trade so he wouldn't have to go back to selling his body for, you know, 505 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:21,150 feeding his family. 506 00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:26,930 And again, this was me as a dad, as a humanitarian, as someone who cared about 507 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,910 this particular child. 508 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:37,580 Saving that boy from MDL, I wouldn't put that on my list of achievements of 509 00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:43,120 success, but as a human being, as a father, that was probably the one 510 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,980 that I felt was the most significant. 511 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,640 I knew at the end of the day MDL was either going to be captured or killed. 512 00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:53,580 That's the goal. That's the intent. 513 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,520 But being faced with it and being a part of it. 514 00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:02,820 On the day -to -day, on the ground, I know that I was getting to the point 515 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:09,760 I needed to not see the hatred and killing and damage that was being 516 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,600 And so I went back to my family, went back and, you know, reengaged and just 517 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,220 kind of decompressed as a family. 518 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:21,900 There's nothing that I did at CIA that I would do differently. 519 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,040 I loved everything about it. 520 00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:30,190 The ride in between the 1990 and 2018 took me to West Africa and North Africa 521 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:33,330 and Europe, the Pakistan -Afghanistan Theater. 522 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:39,070 It was a joy for me to allow my children to kind of grow up in different 523 00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:43,470 cultures and learn different languages. My son graduated high school in Uganda. 524 00:41:43,810 --> 00:41:46,270 My daughter graduated high school in Switzerland. 525 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:52,250 They're children of the world, and if I did anything right on this planet, I 526 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:57,360 think. Having my kids grow up recognizing that as great as the United 527 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,120 there are a lot of great countries in the world, and I needed them to be 528 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120 to those. 529 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200 I'm proud of my record. I'm proud of the institution. 530 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,900 I fought a lot of fights, but I fought them because... 531 00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:20,710 it was the right thing to do. 532 00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:26,070 I would always make sure that people understood that there was life at the 533 00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:29,810 end of every decision and every discussion that we had. 534 00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:36,250 The CIA has some really dedicated officers who care about human life, who 535 00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:40,210 lot of integrity, who actually does a lot of good things around the world. 536 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,500 The really funny thing is, is when someone finds out you're CIA, they're 537 00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:50,100 surprised, right? Really, a CIA is just like normal people who can kind of go to 538 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:54,380 any country and talk to any person and like form a relationship. Like that's 539 00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:58,500 key, right? We're like the best in the world at getting to know you. 540 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:09,420 CIA makes sure that our world is safer because we have people who are out in 541 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:14,000 field. speaking the languages, talking to the people at the ground roots level, 542 00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:19,020 if we can fight these battles abroad, then they're not brought to our 543 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,660 At the end of the day, that is why we do what we do. There's a large part that 544 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:29,600 you're never going to know or see because we're protecting something. 545 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,860 We're protecting our advanced technology. 546 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,920 We're protecting this well -placed source. We're protecting you. 50190

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