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You want to know everything they're
doing inside the CIA, right?
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Because a lot of people see the movies,
you want to know how it works, but
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there's a reason the CIA does things
that they do.
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Working in this secretive world of
terrorist groups, bad things happen.
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So when you're planning an operation,
you're building off of information
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been gathered over a long period of time
where you feel like you know.
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the target you know what's going on in
their minds we still don't know how they
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did it and they will want to keep that
quiet because you want to do it again
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there was a raid against our top taliban
target he was very smart he was very
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crafty but he was just as evil how they
tracked him is a very secretive
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operation
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To be pulled into this world, seeing the
level of hatred and killing and damage
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that I was being inflicted, it was very
dangerous.
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And at the end of the day, these people
will take your life.
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I have only once ever celebrated the
demise of a human being.
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Being a CIA case officer operating in a
foreign land always has a little bit of
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loneliness to it.
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Taking my family to this part of the
world in the terrorism fight that I was
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fighting, it wasn't an option.
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So, yeah, it was lonely.
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My name is Darrell Blocker. I spent 32
years as an intelligence officer, four
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the military as an analyst, and 28 at
the Central Intelligence Agency as an
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operations officer.
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Five years after 9 -11, I was serving as
a station chief in East
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Africa when I got the notice that you're
going to the war zone in the Pakistan
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-Afghanistan theater.
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In the 2006 -2007 time frame, we were
losing in Iraq. We were losing
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in Afghanistan, and the terrorists were
gaining ground.
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After the Taliban were hosted in
December 2001, most of the Taliban
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ran away into hiding.
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So Pakistanis provided them safe havens.
and they kept their families and
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themselves hidden from the U .S. forces.
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I am Lieutenant General Sami Sadat. I
served as commander of Joint Special
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Operations Forces Afghanistan, which was
the main counterpart for the U .S.
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Special Forces.
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By 2006, slowly the Taliban had surfaced
in small pockets, attacking U .S. and
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Afghan forces and scaring the
population.
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At that time, there was little al -Qaeda
left to fight, so the U .S.
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immediately shifted focus on to going
after the Taliban.
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The top Taliban leadership all were
based in Pakistan, and that was an area
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where they could rest and refit, but
also be largely immune from attack.
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My name is Mike Vickers. I'm a former
CIA operations officer and former
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Undersecretary of Defense for
Intelligence.
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So when they spent a lot of time in
Pakistan, they had sanctuary.
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But then also when you go into
Afghanistan to fight and lead forces,
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Afghanistan's a big country. It's the
size of Texas. It's mountainous.
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And there weren't a lot of forces to
counter them.
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So given the terrain, given some support
in the country enabled them to
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operate. So the idea that you'd come in
for a wild fight and then go back to
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Pakistan where it was more secure
allowed these folks to survive for a
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time. The country of Pakistan became a
safe haven for the Taliban because the U
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.S. military wasn't based in Pakistan.
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What a lot of them did is they lived in
Pakistan under false identity, and
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that's how they're able to blend in.
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I'm Sarah Adams.
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I was the targeter for the top three of
the Taliban, both in Afghanistan and in
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Pakistan. So a targeter is really one of
those professions that came out of post
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-9 -11 world.
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finding new ways to track down
terrorists.
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And the Taliban paid attention to where
the U .S. government was able to do
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operations. And so they're very smart
and savvy to basically stay in what we
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call the subtle areas of Pakistan where
it would be harder to track and locate
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them.
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That was like the big shift where the
CIA started targeting like the top 10 of
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the Taliban.
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So the mission was to stop the fighters
from coming outside of the region who
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wanted to join their terrorist buddies
in the fight.
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My job was to stop them at the source,
to capture them, and stop them from
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crossing back and forth across the
Pakistan -Afghanistan borders.
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But at the end of the day, the main guy
we wanted, our top Taliban target, was
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Mueller de la Lange, also known as MDL.
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Mullah Dadullah Lang was basically
operating as like the number two, number
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three of the Taliban.
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Mullah Dadullah Lang was one of the
Afghan Mujahideen.
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He was violent.
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He was heartless.
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He had lost his leg in fighting against
the Soviets.
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There's stories of Mullah Dadiyallah
running into the villages, killing older
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men, shooting women.
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In one instance, a Taliban fighter had
saw Mullah Dadiyallah entering a house
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where everyone was dead and a baby was
crying and the Taliban fighters didn't
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know what to do. So he grabs the baby
and, you know...
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throws him into the wall where the baby
dies instantly.
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And the other fighters say, why are you
doing this? And he says that this is the
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son of a snake.
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A son of a snake will become a snake.
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He had a propensity to just be very,
very brutal. He fought against the
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so he had the credentials of fighting
jihad against foreigners.
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And he turned that same attention
against the Americans and the UN allies
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were in there.
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Daidula was responsible for all the
beheadings that have gone in
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is behind all the suicide bombings in
Afghanistan. He has beheaded people
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himself. Mullah Daidula is one of the
commanders who brought suicide bombers
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into the South, strapping up young
teenage boys with explosives and having
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detonated.
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Today, a suicide bomber struck near the
Pakistani border.
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Violence across the country is at its
worst since it started the war,
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to the United Nations.
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In 2004, I think there was like six
suicide attacks in the country. But in
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it was Mullah Dadu Daleng who started
the big southern offensive, which
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basically reinvigorated the Taliban.
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At 8 .15 on Saturday morning, another
strike.
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And in that year, there was like 140
suicide attacks.
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And that's when the Taliban then started
gaining momentum and really getting
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involved and like, hey, we can win this.
Like, we didn't actually lose in 2001.
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MDL was known within Taliban circles as
the butcher.
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You don't earn that title easily amongst
killers, so you can just imagine he was
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the worst of the worst.
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There was a video of him essentially
forcing a very young boy, 10 to 12 years
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old, to behead a man that MDL claimed
was responsible for this kid's
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father's death. And all I could think
about was, this child is never going to
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the same.
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My son was in his senior year of high
school during the year that I was away,
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I missed my own kid.
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in his final year of high school, and
all I could think about were my own two
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kids. And if they had been exposed to
this level of depravity, how would they
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be? So for me, after seeing this video
and after recognizing that MDL was
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already on the top of my list, he was a
person that I wanted to come into my
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area so that I could be responsible for
taking him down.
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Operationally, end of 2006, beginning of
2007, MDL was probably the number one
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target in Afghanistan due to how many
deaths were being caused.
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He was the top of the food chain
planning those operations.
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And so he knew he was at the top of the
hit list for the CIA, for our partners
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in the region.
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But the operation targeting MDL became
really complex because he moved around.
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A lot. He got to the point where he
would only start giving commands or
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to his commanders face to face.
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It was rare to hear his voice on
internal Taliban comms or
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on an open line because he knew he was
being tracked.
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So there's a lot of different places you
can get information to track and locate
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them.
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You rely very heavily on human
intelligence.
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But then also this newer generation,
they actually post to social media, as
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can imagine, and that's very helpful
when you're trying to locate someone.
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They also use a lot of signals
intelligence, like just tracking phones,
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example. In the old days, signals
intelligence was largely about airwaves
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people talking to each other over the
radio.
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It now expands, obviously, to the
Internet and to getting into the
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the bad guys, as well as still
intercepting communications.
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over mobile telephones.
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My name is Michael Smith.
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I spent a decade in British military
intelligence before becoming a
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Even when you're not talking on it, your
cell phone will stay in contact with
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the antennae as you travel around.
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Frequency can be accessed to actually
not just listen to your telephone
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conversations, they can listen into you.
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So that's the capabilities of signals
intelligence.
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So we found out that MDL is in country
and he is in this specific location, in
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my area of operations, and we came up
with a plan.
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which was this raid directed at MDL.
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And what you're planning is not just the
capture of this guy, but getting out
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safely.
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And that could be the difference between
success or someone
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losing life.
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Unfortunately, turns out that the actual
location MDL might be in was a mosque.
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So I had to make a decision whether to
hit a mosque or not.
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When it comes to like a mosque or
madrasa, terrorists use these as covers.
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Some really aren't even used as a mosque
at all.
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They put the sign on the building and
then obviously if anything is done
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it, you know, it can become a human
rights violation.
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And so it's almost impossible to do a
CIA operation against them.
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And remember, in these villages, there's
people who are armed. Just like in
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America, everyone has a gun, and there
is some, you know, sympathizers to the
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mullah, some sympathizers to the mosque.
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There's a lot of risk that you need to
consider.
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Out of respect for the religion, out of
respect for the actual physical location
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of this place of worship, we were ready
to walk away.
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Our foreign partners, however, said we
don't have the same concerns.
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We're also Muslim.
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He is making our religion look bad.
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We're going to do this on our own if you
guys don't join us.
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Well, we know how it was going to end if
they let it.
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They were going to kill him, but we
needed to capture him to gather more
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intelligence.
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In counterterrorism capture operations,
the goal is to isolate this person.
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stop them from doing more harm, and then
pick their brain and gather as much
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information as you possibly can.
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So we needed to capture MDL and talk
about things.
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These raids, they're always different
every day. You can plan them for as long
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as you want, but things almost never go
as they're planned, which is why you
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plan for contingencies.
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All day, every day.
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As the senior CIA guy on the particular
raid, I would be in the command vehicle
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in touch with all the parties that were
actually moving.
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Our officers were armed.
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Our foreign intelligence service
partners were armed.
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We were flanking from two different
sides.
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We put somebody on a rooftop, so we were
ready for all possibilities.
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It was time to execute.
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We launched the raiding party into the
objective.
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These are very fast.
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From the time they launch to when
they're coming out with whoever they
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could be as short as two or three
minutes.
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So you're not waiting a long time, but
you're amped up as high as you can get.
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The fact that a mosque was involved, to
know that there are armed people moving
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around inside who might meet resistance
and might have to pull a trigger that
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I'm responsible for, even though this
operation is being completely led by our
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local partners.
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I've compared it to like waiting for
your kid to come home from a date and
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you're the parent at home late at night
and you don't know what's going to
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happen.
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It's kind of like that. It's a little
unnerving to not know what's going
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on or what's happening.
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Eventually, the team members, they came
back, and I was disappointed when I
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recognized that the three people that
they were walking out, none of them had
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prosthetic leg or was limping in a way
that might suggest that they had a
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prosthetic leg.
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MDL didn't look anything like the people
that were captured.
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And then the third person, I thought it
was a girl at first, but it was a very
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effeminate young kid.
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15, 16 years old, somewhere in that
range, who I thought was odd
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that they would capture a child because
to that date we never had.
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And after three people were taken into
custody, the team that did the assault
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came running back to the vehicle like
someone was chasing them.
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And it was weird because they typically
didn't run.
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I could tell something was different.
And I said, well, what's wrong? And I
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said, well, do you hear the voices
coming from the loudspeakers?
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I said, yeah, it's time for, you know,
midday prayers.
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No, sir, that's them saying the service
is here. They've taken someone from a
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mosque and get out in the street and
stop any vehicle that they're traveling
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right this second.
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And this kind of tactic was used time
and time again when we went into the
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into these villages.
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The way to get their attention is to use
the mosque's loudspeaker and call the
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men. It's like, hey, foreign forces are
here. If anyone wants to, you know, kill
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them, this is your moment. Come out and
fight.
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I know what they do to people that they
capture. So I went from being completely
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relaxed to chaos is about to happen.
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They're describing us.
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They're describing our vehicle.
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If those guys stop us from leaving,
we're going to be captured or killed.
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But pre -planning and knowing the roads
in and out was our job.
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So we were able to get everybody out
safely with zero shots fired.
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Unfortunately, the main guy we wanted,
MDL, was not there.
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I think for a person like Muladadela to
race through the ranks and survive so
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many wars, he must have been very smart.
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He was someone who knew how to hide than
how to survive for so long.
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He could be anywhere.
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So we were crestfallen.
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We were like... We can't catch this guy.
The U .S. has been chasing him for four
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or five years. We're never going to
catch this guy.
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But as it turns out, we captured three
people who were significant to him.
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So once someone is taken into custody,
they're in the care of our foreign
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partners.
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Fed, house.
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and then brought to debriefing sessions.
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I've seen debriefings probably be the
best type of intelligence, right?
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at the end of the day, we're still just
humans talking to humans. And you have
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to have that level of humanity because
the debriefing isn't to sit there and
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say, I know everything about you and
you're a bad guy. It is a fact -finding
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mission.
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So I started a series of debriefings to
get information.
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People call it interrogation.
Interrogation just has a negative
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with each debriefing, my approach was to
make sure I was kind to everyone, even
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people that I knew were mass murderers.
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And there were some that were mass
murderers, but I knew they were better
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the worst thing they ever did. So that
was typically my mindset when I was
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to sit across from someone that...
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would look at me and say, I want to kill
you and everything that you stand for.
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And it's really difficult to not allow
those people to impact you in a way
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that's going to make you come down to
their level. But they're not really
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directing that at me.
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I'm not really the focus of their animus
or their hatred. My system, my
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government, my country might be, but if
I can get them on a one -to -one.
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then you can start to break down those
barriers.
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I always felt it was important to treat
people with respect, no matter what
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they've done.
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Growing up, that was always my thinking.
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I grew up in the hill of the boot,
Italy, Okinawa, Japan, and Texas, before
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moved to Georgia when I was 11.
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My father was an intelligence NCO in the
Air Force.
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My interest in foreign relations really
is born out of the fact that I grew up
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in other cultures.
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And then I was this black kid moving to
Georgia a couple years after
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desegregation. And it was weird because
growing up on military bases,
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everybody's together.
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I get to Augusta, Georgia, and big
groups of black kids here, big groups of
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white kids here, but only a little bit
of groups in the middle. And I always
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felt like I was in the middle, not
trapped, just a bridge.
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So I studied things at...
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Most people didn't want to talk about
it. I studied the Klan. I wanted to know
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about the KKK. I'd heard about it. I
knew that people were afraid of it. I
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studied the mafia, and I studied Hitler.
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I think it's important to study people
because you need to understand what
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positions are.
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Why did they come to this?
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What is ultimately their goal?
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And once you have an understanding of
not just what their position is, but
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it's so much more powerful in terms of
actually reaching out and understanding
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situation.
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So with each debriefing, with each
session where you're talking to them,
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a little bit more granularity. And turns
out we had captured two of MDL's
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lieutenants.
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and what is known as a bacha bazi, which
is,
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let's just say he was a sex toy, and he
was MDL sex toy.
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Bacha is a boy, and bazi means play.
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Bacha bazi is playboy.
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It actually surprised me that he had a
bacha.
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It's not allowed in the religion of
Islam to keep young boys as your sex
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partner. It's very important to
understand the culture.
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Older men take young boys for
entertainment. They have them
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dance. But there's also a sexual
dimension to it as well. They're sort of
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slaves. The Taliban officially banned
it, and so...
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Their practice is frowned upon, but it's
also widely practiced by Taliban
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leaders. You know, so there's an element
of hypocrisy there as well.
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It's a part of the world where you don't
acknowledge their wives, their sisters,
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their mothers, or their daughters.
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And so they are more comfortable being
physical, intimate, and sexual with a
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young boy than they would with a young
girl because that would get them killed.
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The homosexual aspect has somehow been
separated from their Islamic thought and
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preaching because this is cultural, not
religious.
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That's probably the dichotomy that
they're dealing with, and it's the
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two evils.
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So for me, I wanted to talk with this
young man and understand.
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everything that's going on, but also
maybe he would be able to find some
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in me.
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So it's super valuable to get someone
that close to your target. Even when you
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collect intelligence from assets, they
might be one step, two steps away from
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the individual, right?
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When you have someone captured who is
close to the person you're looking for
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travels with them all the time or lives
with them all the time, they're going to
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have insights that you were never even
aware of.
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They're going to know things that help
you target that you just weren't going
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be able to collect.
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So my approach was always, please take
the chains off. I can't talk to somebody
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chained up like an animal. I'm just not
going to do it out of principle.
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And I knew if I was able to connect with
them as a human being.
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then you could find something that you
could talk about.
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MDL did become to me a very personal
thing. My kid, who I was away from,
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this kid who he had co -opted and
abused, the other child in the video.
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I hated the fact that I was away from my
son for a senior year of high school.
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I hated the fact that my family was
still in East Africa and I was, you
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another part of the world without them.
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So MDL did become personal.
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When I first sat across from this young
man, my heart was broken because he was
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just a scared, frightened child.
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Maybe I saw a little bit of my son.
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in him. And maybe I even saw a little
bit of my daughter in him. And well,
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because he, he wore makeup.
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He more presented as a female than a
male, but he was putting on the
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facade of I'm tough.
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I've chosen this life. You're the person
who's wrong in this. So I knew that
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this kid was scared because he was
absolutely under the 100 % control of
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mdl so being kind is a kind of a
mechanism that you use but it was
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also authentic to me because that's who
i am and that's who i was and so i
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believe we were able to disarm this
young man by treating him with respect
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eventually he shifted and changed a
little bit we started talking to one
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about history and poems and music and
all this other stuff
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Music was my first love. I would ask
them about their favorite singer.
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I always made sure that the music of
that particular artist that he liked was
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playing in the background. We started
talking about art and turned out that
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kid was a gifted artist.
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I don't know what it's like for your
child to be a bachabazi. I don't know if
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that's a good thing or a shameful thing
or what it is. So I don't know how long
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he had been living in that life, but I
knew that at the end of the day, he
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didn't know anything different.
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He knew he was in custody. He knew he
was probably in trouble.
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But for us, he wasn't in trouble.
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We hopefully removed him from the
trouble.
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When the young boy was arrested and kind
of irritated MDL into using more
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technology to finding out what's
happening.
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Not having access to his bachibazi made
him lose his mind.
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He got sloppy and he became a little
more active on the radio.
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Once it became apparent that we had
someone that mattered very much to
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Dadela Lange, we knew that we had maybe
that next piece of the puzzle to track
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his movement.
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He started making phone calls. He
started making demands.
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He wanted to know who was responsible
for the raid.
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And then radio communication was used to
find his footprint.
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And having that was significant because
ultimately as an intelligence service,
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what you're trying to project is what
that person is going to do next.
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It's quite ironic to think that a person
so sophisticated like Mullah Dadiyala
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will fall into the trap.
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But that's the miscalculation on Mullah
Dadiyala's part.
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While this was happening,
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There were a number of very significant
operations that were going on.
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Some of them included and involved
Mullah Daddala Lange.
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An Italian journalist with an Afghan
journalist and their interpreter came to
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conduct an interview with him, and he
had given them permission to come and
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conduct an interview with Mullah
Daddala.
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When they arrived, they were arrested.
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Daddala released a video of them
blindfolded.
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on their knees with Taliban pointing
guns at them.
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The Taliban frequently kidnapped people
and they did it to get
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ransoms or to get prisoners out.
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Mullah Sharma's Mansur, who was the
Dulla's brother,
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had been captured by the Afghan forces.
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So Abdullah saw this kidnapping as a way
of a getting money from the Italians
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and b getting his brother out of jail.
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The local Helmandi facilitator was
beheaded in front of the Italian
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The Italian journalist was kept as a
prisoner.
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The Italian government paid a large sum
of money to Mulla Daddiela, asking him
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not to kill the journalist.
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And later, Mulla Daddiela exchanged the
Italian journalist with five prisoners.
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And one of them included his brother,
Mansour Daddiela, who was then released.
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So those five Taliban were handed over,
and now he had money.
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And now he had the resolve, and his
resolve was focusing on how to get this
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young kid sprung from the local
authorities.
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It was certainly seen by Abdullah as a
great victory.
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But at some point during the
negotiations, there was a realization
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was a way to turn this on its head.
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When Abdullah's brother is released,
someone decided...
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We put a tracking device on him.
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And so the minute he's back with Dadula,
they know where Dadula is.
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That was the clever bit, really.
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We literally followed him from city to
city, village to village,
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until he made the mistake of moving in a
part of Afghanistan where he
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felt comfortable.
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He is from Helmand province, where he
was hiding, and Helmandis are very loyal
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to each other.
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So he used his local network, his
brothers, his family, and his former
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friends to go into Helmand and found a
refuge for himself.
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So it's not easy to catch someone who is
moving around in their own backyard,
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but also once he was...
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ensconced within the southern provinces
in Afghanistan. That operational control
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is no longer mine. It shifted to the
international security forces that were
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there.
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In terms of the alliance in Afghanistan,
Helmand was controlled by the British.
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The special operations force there is
the SBS, the Special Boat Service.
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It's the UK equivalent of Steel Team 6.
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They were tasked to go to Brahmacharya
and take out Dadula and get what
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intelligence they could.
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But a lot of the planning, of course,
was based on CIA intelligence and
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of that intelligence with those
partners.
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The level of planning and the rehearsal
that goes into this is crazy.
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Especially the tactical troops that are
going to be deployed and conducting this
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raid, they need to simulate a similar
situation or an area.
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They plan how many people should go, how
should they attack it, how many enemies
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there, what kind of weaponry they need.
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It's very intense.
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There's a lot of pressure on your mind.
There's a lot of rest involved.
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Landmines, booby traps, and there will
be the enemy using women and children.
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And they're using shelters that are full
of civilians.
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This is where leadership is tested to
their bones.
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SBS.
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We sent in a supercat 6x6.
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One went in to do reconnaissance. Saw
where it was, got a picture of what it
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was, so they could plan the raid.
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Finally, we were ready.
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We knew where he was.
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We knew the defenses of the area in
which he was.
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He felt like, this is my ancestral home.
I'm probably safer here than anywhere
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that I've ever been.
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May 2007, the British SBS went in three
dozen guys in
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Chinook helicopters.
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The problem was that Chinook helicopters
are a very noisy beast.
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So Dadula and his men worked out what
was going on, so they were prepared.
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And so you had what was essentially an
old -fashioned infantry battle with the
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SPS and their Afghan colleagues
attacking a building.
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It took time, but they got there.
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The special forces shot a bunch of
Taliban running away, and one of the
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was Malad Adela.
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He was shot beside a canal.
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He didn't die instantly. He was injured.
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00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,680
He threw himself into the canal, only to
be drowned by water.
456
00:36:14,020 --> 00:36:17,060
And later he was identified that this is
MBL.
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The hunt for Malad Adela Lange was...
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Over eight to ten months for me
personally.
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For me, watching him in a video forcing
a child to behead a grown man
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was something that I still can't get out
of my mind's eye.
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00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:45,960
And so I celebrated that evening with a
cigar on the balcony, but I
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didn't let it linger.
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A man who died, and I always would
remind my officers that even the people
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killing have mothers and fathers and
family and friends that love them. So I
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00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:04,380
don't think we should be cheering, you
know, someone's death, but cheering the
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00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:07,820
fact that this guy can no longer cause
additional death.
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00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,420
I don't know if I'm proud of that, but I
did celebrate, and I never celebrated
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00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:15,620
another death.
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Not since and not before.
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00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:35,020
The thing is, a lot of these terrorists
get reported as killed numerous times
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00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:38,200
and they don't actually die, right? Or
people don't believe they die.
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00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:43,690
If you're the public and you're not
really believing that they killed MDL,
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00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:48,090
only way to prove it, as you can
imagine, is through the media of it.
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00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:53,990
His body was brought back into Kandahar.
The governor of Kandahar at the time
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00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:59,010
decided to display his body for public
and for the media and to take pictures
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00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:03,350
and see it. This is not a typical
situation in Afghanistan.
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00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:06,530
Usually it's not good to display bodies.
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00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:12,270
according to our traditions. But because
of the significance of who he was and
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00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:17,430
how brutal of a man he was, it was
important for people to know and also to
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00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:23,130
learn that bad people die in a terrible
way. And Mullah al -Dawla is really
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00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:24,130
dead.
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00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:31,290
We needed the Taliban to know
definitively that one of their top
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00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:32,790
now been eliminated.
484
00:38:39,370 --> 00:38:46,030
Of course, the Taliban is used to losing
its leaders, but Dodolo was,
485
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:51,650
he was a legend and a very successful
leader of the Taliban.
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00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:59,170
It was a huge, huge impact on the
Taliban at the time, on the morale, on
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00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,930
other top leaders starting to turn
against each other.
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00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:03,730
That's how important he was.
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00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:08,110
All he wanted was his prized boy back.
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00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:13,710
And ultimately his ego, his desire to
get this child back in his custody, I
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00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:14,950
believe led to his demise.
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00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:23,530
Our foreign intelligence partners, at
this point, they thought that this kid
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00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:26,470
15, 16 years old. Let's return him to
his family.
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00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:32,010
My argument was, you realize this is the
same family that sold him into this
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00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:34,130
life, so how about we not?
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00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:35,910
returned him to his family.
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00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:41,950
As a father of a kid along the same age
of this young man, there was no way that
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00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:45,150
I was going to hand over this child back
to his abusers.
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00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:55,190
I took every measure that I could within
the CIA to make sure that this kid
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00:39:55,190 --> 00:40:00,430
didn't have to return to this life. I
knew that this kid was a gifted artist.
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00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:05,230
If you've seen the trucks in the
Pakistan -Afghanistan area, they're all
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brightly colored with words and symbols.
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00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:14,730
We were able to find someone within that
community where you can teach this kid
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00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:20,150
a trade so he wouldn't have to go back
to selling his body for, you know,
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00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:21,150
feeding his family.
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00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:26,930
And again, this was me as a dad, as a
humanitarian, as someone who cared about
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00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,910
this particular child.
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00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:37,580
Saving that boy from MDL, I wouldn't put
that on my list of achievements of
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00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:43,120
success, but as a human being, as a
father, that was probably the one
510
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,980
that I felt was the most significant.
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00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,640
I knew at the end of the day MDL was
either going to be captured or killed.
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00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:53,580
That's the goal. That's the intent.
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00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,520
But being faced with it and being a part
of it.
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00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:02,820
On the day -to -day, on the ground, I
know that I was getting to the point
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00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:09,760
I needed to not see the hatred and
killing and damage that was being
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00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,600
And so I went back to my family, went
back and, you know, reengaged and just
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00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,220
kind of decompressed as a family.
518
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:21,900
There's nothing that I did at CIA that I
would do differently.
519
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,040
I loved everything about it.
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00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:30,190
The ride in between the 1990 and 2018
took me to West Africa and North Africa
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00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:33,330
and Europe, the Pakistan -Afghanistan
Theater.
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00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:39,070
It was a joy for me to allow my children
to kind of grow up in different
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00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:43,470
cultures and learn different languages.
My son graduated high school in Uganda.
524
00:41:43,810 --> 00:41:46,270
My daughter graduated high school in
Switzerland.
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00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:52,250
They're children of the world, and if I
did anything right on this planet, I
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00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:57,360
think. Having my kids grow up
recognizing that as great as the United
527
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,120
there are a lot of great countries in
the world, and I needed them to be
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00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120
to those.
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00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200
I'm proud of my record. I'm proud of the
institution.
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00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,900
I fought a lot of fights, but I fought
them because...
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00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:20,710
it was the right thing to do.
532
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:26,070
I would always make sure that people
understood that there was life at the
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00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:29,810
end of every decision and every
discussion that we had.
534
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:36,250
The CIA has some really dedicated
officers who care about human life, who
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00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:40,210
lot of integrity, who actually does a
lot of good things around the world.
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00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,500
The really funny thing is, is when
someone finds out you're CIA, they're
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00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:50,100
surprised, right? Really, a CIA is just
like normal people who can kind of go to
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00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:54,380
any country and talk to any person and
like form a relationship. Like that's
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00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:58,500
key, right? We're like the best in the
world at getting to know you.
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00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:09,420
CIA makes sure that our world is safer
because we have people who are out in
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00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:14,000
field. speaking the languages, talking
to the people at the ground roots level,
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00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:19,020
if we can fight these battles abroad,
then they're not brought to our
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00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,660
At the end of the day, that is why we do
what we do. There's a large part that
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00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:29,600
you're never going to know or see
because we're protecting something.
545
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,860
We're protecting our advanced
technology.
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00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,920
We're protecting this well -placed
source. We're protecting you.
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