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Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just give some basics.

Remember, when you're answering these questions, I'm not in the shot, and

they're never going to hear my voice.

Oh, okay.

The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein other than a

predator is mysterious.

How did he become so wealthy?

How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles?

How did he get away without being caught for so long?

I never could have anticipated

how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.

There's something deeply fucked up with you.

At least something. We know there are things deeply fucked up with us. You

get through in this film, right? Where I come from.

You don't kill my brother and walk away from that.

What are the Epstein files?

The Epstein files are all the information that the government has

Jeffrey Epstein and his co -conspirators.

Photographic evidence.

Interviews of victims.

Emails written to him.

Text messages. Court documents.

FBI reports.

And it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined.

People want to see names.

They want to know who the sex traffickers are. They want to know who

pedophiles are. And they want vengeance.

Do you know the names of powerful people who have not yet been named publicly?

Yes.

Congressman Connor.

Hello, I'm Grace Tobin from Australia.

Why do you think it's a fight that has united a very divided political spectrum

here? You can't rape underage girls. You can't cover that up.

Trump opened up Pandora's box.

He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it. But the curse is

not going back into the box.

I don't understand why the president fought it so hard.

Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing all of that.

dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened, why would he cover this up?

I think he's protecting rich and powerful men who participated in sex

trafficking. Three million pages, 180 ,000 images, the latest dump

from the Epstein files after weeks of political pressure.

That moment created global shockwaves. A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir

Starmer. Norway's crown princess is facing intense scrutiny.

Extraordinary news out of the UK. The former Prince Andrew has been arrested.

The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story.

You have to understand how the Epstein files fit into what Epstein was doing

the failures of the US government in doing their job.

The Epstein story has one man.

At its center.

One spider in the center of the web.

But that web could not have been constructed without complicity.

Do you think you're the devil himself?

No, but I do have a good mirror.

We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington over the release of the

Jeffrey Epstein files. Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy

will be here on Capitol Hill. Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein

survivors, 24 of whom are now re -upping their demand that Congress release all

of the Epstein files.

It's an honor to stand here for something America is finally united on,

immediate release of the entire Epstein files.

There's approximately 1 ,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and

they say other men.

They've wanted justice, and they fought very hard for it.

We are more than victims. We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends,

will not be erased.

Some of these women have been at this 20 years.

Some of them had, I believe, almost given up.

But the fact that they were invited to the capital of the United States to

truth to power and that every media outlet showed up,

they're renewed in their efforts.

This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.

This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly.

My name is Dani Bensky.

This was me at 17 years old.

So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other and saying to

world, like, there's more of us than you thought.

My name is Marina Lacerda.

I was minor victim one. My name is Jenna Lisa Jones, and I was only 14 years

old. My name is Shante Davies. My name is Laura Bloom McGee. My name is Haley

Robson. My name is Anushka DeGiorgio. My name is Courtney Wye. My name is Lisa

Phillips. My name is Ashley Rubright, and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein

Ghislaine Maxwell.

When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, you just have this bond

with the other survivors.

We understand each other like nobody else can.

It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here.

It took an incredible outcry from the public, huge political will, and it

took the blood, sweat, and tears of the survivors, and that's many, many tears

from the survivors to get here.

So we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rue Bright, who is a survivor of

Jeffrey Epstein, and she's only just started speaking out publicly about what

happened to her.

We're this house here.

Hi, Ashley. How are you? Good, how are you? It's nice to meet you. It's so nice

to meet you. Thank you so much for having us. Of course. Oh, it's still

Christmassy in here, isn't it? Yes.

When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?

So it was about 2002 to 2003, and I would have been

about 15.

I was going to Summit Christian School.

I was a cheerleader. I was in dance, like jazz, hip -hop, ballet.

I was working at a barbecue restaurant, and one of my coworkers, he asked me one

day in the restaurant if I would like to give a man a massage for $200.

I thought about it for a second and said, sure.

I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach.

And we were led into the kitchen.

And then Sarah Kellen came in. His assistant said it was time.

And Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs.

I didn't look around. I was just looking down. So all I remember was the pink.

carpet on the spiral staircase.

She opened the door and said, all right, I'll be back in an hour.

I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom.

But then I calmed myself down, thinking, of course he's naked.

Because that's how people get massages.

And I should just not be so shocked.

He just kind of laid on the table.

And then he told me how to massage him.

Then he flipped over.

And...

Things got really way more inappropriate there. And

he asked me to take off my bra and

to pull up my skirt.

And he was touching himself

the whole time. I was just trying not to look.

He would grab me, grab my behind, and I

was just trying to not be there, you know,

at that time. And he finished and

hopped up, and then Sarah came in and led me back

downstairs.

I felt shot.

And then I remember trying to rationalize it.

It had to have just been like a flip, a one -time thing that he just couldn't

control.

I did go back one more time.

The second time, it escalated.

I just remember Jeffrey bringing over a basket and...

Asking me to pick one and asking me if I knew how to use it. And he had me sit

on the bathroom floor and he sat on the edge of the massage table.

And I remember what happened.

A basket of sex toys.

Yes, thank you for saying that. Yeah, that's okay.

So this was 2000.

And these are all just like happy messages.

I read some of my yearbooks and it was such a drastic change.

Right after Jeffrey, the messages, even my face, everything

had started to just look darker.

This one says, We had fun when you're not so mad or you're sweet when you're

mad. I was angry and I didn't care who got

the brunt of it at all.

Yeah.

I stopped cheerleading.

I stopped dance.

And I kind of went from like trying to do

Good to just not care.

Did you tell anyone what happened to you? Just my friend,

Sean.

But nobody else.

I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know?

Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born...

January 20th, 1953.

Yes. Where?

New York.

Where in New York?

Brooklyn.

Hey, how are you? Pleasure to meet you. Nice to meet you too.

Thanks so much for doing this with us. My pleasure, my pleasure.

Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself?

Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now, and the

Southern District of New York was my longtime beat.

So you see a lot of cases of...

national and international significance going into that court, and one of them

just happened to be Epstein's.

We are in Coney Island.

Coney Island, Brooklyn.

We're right near...

where Jeffrey Epstein grew up. And this is actually the Seagate community in the

distance right there, Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.

Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing in an immigrant community in Brooklyn.

His father worked at the New York City Parks Department. His mother worked at a

school. And he had a younger brother, Mark.

He had a lifelong fascination with math and by all accounts was pretty good at

it.

This is the Dalton Prep School.

It is where he got his first job.

Even though he was a college dropout, his first job was at a very prestigious

school where he was a math teacher.

One of the parents of a student introduced him to the CEO of Bear

named Ace Greenberg, where he got his first job on Wall Street.

We are on

Wall

Street where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune.

He was, by all accounts, very charming.

Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, make connections with people with

money and power.

He was able to get people to trust him very quickly.

He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, who gave him power of

attorney. He won the trust of Leon Black.

who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars, far above the market rate.

And from there, there is a lot of mystery, but we're getting a picture

and more of him finagling people, wheeling and dealing, and ultimately

became fabulously wealthy.

This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse mansion.

and the famous lantern over the door.

He had a massage room in there.

He had the dining room where he entertained.

I mean, the photos really do tell the story.

Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s.

As the daughter of a media tycoon with a British accent, she brought something

that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have, access to the elite.

They socialized with politicians, with big names in academia, finance, you name

it. Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew, or whether it was

former President Bill Clinton.

He had his private island in the U .S. Virgin Islands, a ranch outside of Santa

Fe, property in Palm Beach and in Paris.

He was flaunting his jet -setting lifestyle and his massive wealth.

You're looking at me like you love me.

I thought we... Okay, so now I'm walking towards

the lily pond.

I'm here on the beach by myself.

This is my swimming pool, my beach.

No one's allowed to dock here.

The luncheon place.

The nursery.

On the point there is the library.

So these are just my modeling pictures.

Like when I started out, this is when I was 17.

I would send these to modeling agencies to get started.

I was a fashion model in New York, had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16

years old.

So this was from the actual week I met Jeffrey.

The year 2000, and I had booked, like, a really big job.

Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola on the Caribbean Sea.

Tortola was a small island. There was really not that much to do there. So the

other model was like, you know, we have a free day tomorrow.

suggested we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein that owned an

nearby.

Yeah, we were both like maybe 22 years old.

Spent the day just like playing in the pool and the ocean and there I met two

other young blonde girls.

Went to dinner that evening and I met Jeffrey Epstein.

He was laser focused on me and...

asking so many questions about my childhood and my dreams and aspirations.

I told him in that time that we shared on the island that I wanted to be a Ford

model, and I kind of built up this trust with this man.

Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door, and one of the

other young girls poked her head in and was like, Jeffrey's ready for his

massage now.

And I'm just like, okay, well, you go ahead. I'm going to bed.

And she was just like, no, he said for you to get the massage.

Long story short, like, I just had to go.

And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening from Jeffrey and the

other girl that was there.

I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself. Like, what did I do? Was

I flirting with this guy? Like, I went home and I kind of wanted nothing to do

with him after that.

And a few months had passed, and he called me.

A lot of my modeling castings would be here in Soho.

Right up here, when I was walking right up here, was where I got the call from

Jeffrey.

He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered.

You know, my goals and ambitions that I told him on the island, that I wanted to

be a Ford model, big dream of mine, and that he knew the owner of the Ford

modeling agency and for me to go over there and meet with her.

And I was just thinking whatever happened to me on the island wasn't

maybe he was trying to make up for it, you know, by saying, oh, remember your

goal. Well, I can help you out.

During that time, were you ever abused by Epstein again or?

any men in his orbit so yeah i was abused by him again and through his

connections where he would send me on auditions of things but back then i

aware that i was trafficked

Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked?

Well, auditions are castings by Epstein. So it's like, oh, let me just send you.

My friend is casting a really big film right now. And you're sent somewhere

where all of a sudden your proposition for sex and the people around you are

enforcing it.

Just thought it was the business. Just thought I was going to a casting, an

audition.

Working, and that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy, and I

never connected it to a more nefarious ring that involved modeling agencies and

Epstein.

There were hundreds of girls from the Eastern European countries sent to

sent to New York.

You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models.

It was like a well -oiled machine.

Fast forward a few years later, I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this

Epstein world.

She had came to me one evening and said that Jeffrey had made her go into a room

made to go have sex with somebody.

And so she at that time was scared.

I became scared and we kind of both kind of moved out of New York at that time.

And I never saw him again after that because I was scared.

Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally.

However, Palm Beach was the center, in many ways, of the sexual abuse and where

his crimes were originally investigated.

Hey there.

We're just driving around Palm Beach.

Is there any way to get through or not?

No, not. Is this closed?

Yeah. Okay. All right. Just wanted to check.

Why is it closed?

Because Trump's in town.

So I'm Holly Baltz.

I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post, just newly

retired.

We, as in the Post.

covered Epstein from the very beginning.

I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be.

Palm Beach police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein when the

stepmother of a ninth grader at Royal Palm Beach High School reported that a

wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005.

This is the east -west route that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School.

You know, it wasn't just the one girl.

Police found that a number of victims were recruited here.

They started interviewing more girls, and every time they did, it was like

peeling back an onion.

Why don't you tell me from the beginning how you met him?

It was something in high school.

Everybody was, like, trying to make money.

Did he get paid for taking you?

Yeah, $200.

Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves, but he also offered

to pay them if they'd bring their friends.

And these were girls who didn't have a lot of money.

During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation,

Many of the survivors started finding lawyers who were willing to bring their

stories forward and file lawsuits.

I first got involved in the Epstein matter back in about 2006.

I was working at a litigation firm here in Palm Beach County, and a young girl

walked into our office with her parents.

and told a crazy story about a rich man on Palm Beach Island that had paid her

about $200 to go to the home and give him a massage that turned into a

explicit and inappropriate massage.

Initially, I didn't quite believe her. To be perfectly honest, it sounded

incredible. But once I interviewed the police detective that was conducting the

investigation, I realized that this was real.

Michael Ryder was the chief of police back at the time.

Joe Ritteri was the lead investigator.

Okay. And

actually

was my job to keep everything discreet.

As police officers gathered the evidence, Epstein put together a huge

of, it was like a dream team, all really well -known attorneys and

attorneys who were very aggressive.

It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team had some of

victims followed by blacked -out SUVs, you know.

showing up at their houses.

But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe.

And I asked to meet him.

So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach. And when I sat down and

started talking to him, his head was on a swivel and he kept looking around. And

I said, what are you doing?

And I'll never forget, he looks at me and he says, you have no idea what

doing to me.

They had been digging through his personal trash.

And he said to me, I've never seen this kind of an operation before.

But the Palm Beach police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein.

We're police officers of Palm Beach County, Florida.

They kept amassing victims.

Being the premises occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein, white male,

date of birth, 1 -20 -53.

When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein was going on, it had

originally seemed like something that could sustain an indictment with dozens

counts, that Palm Beach police were building a very strong case.

But when the entire case was packaged up and given to the state attorney, the

state attorney here in Palm Beach at the time decided not to file charges.

Chief of Police Michael Ryder was so upset at the lack of prosecution on the

state level that he elevated this to the federal level.

The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning for sure.

And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach Police, but new victims.

And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts.

However, this giant case that Palm Beach police spent so much time investigating

pleaded down to a slap on the wrist plea deal after intense lobbying by Jeffrey

Epstein's lawyers.

The charges that they ended up bringing were solicitation for prostitution of a

minor. It's basically calling these victims prostitutes.

The deal was approved by then U .S. attorney Alex Acosta and then kept

from the victims.

And I think that the sweetheart plea deal was in many ways the original sin

this.

It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen.

There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this.

It gave complete immunity.

to not just Epstein, but it included and not limited to potential co

-conspirators Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Leslie Graff, and Nadia

And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls?

Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme, these were the people that were really

the third level, right below Glenn Maxwell.

Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10 this morning. He pleaded guilty in

open court.

He agreed to serve a total of 18 months in the Palm Beach detention facility.

People who commit sex crimes against minors go to prison for a very long

Not Jeffrey Epstein.

He was sentenced to 18 months in jail.

He could get work release for 12 hours a day, six days a week.

He wound up being in a cushy jail where he was the only person in that wing.

He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach, do whatever he

wanted during the day. That's no kind of punishment.

We had been litigating against Epstein on behalf of one of my clients.

He was being allowed out during days, so we noticed Epstein for deposition.

Could you please give us your name?

Jeffrey Epstein.

So I wanted him to realize I didn't care who he was, what his power was, what

his status was. I was going to ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I

could.

Is it true, sir, that you have what's been described as an egg -shaped penis?

He hears me ask the question, watch him look at his lawyers like, can you

believe he's asking me this?

I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions in the cases that had been

filed. One witness described your penis as oval -shaped, thin and small towards

the head portion.

See, he's angry. He's ready to walk out the door, and then he sees that the

attorneys are going to talk.

That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr. Epstein. It's just totally

unethical. It's improper.

The purpose of that question is how could a 14 -year -old know what his

part looked like?

That question...

was directly relevant to the claims in the case.

The deposition is terminated at this point.

Okay, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

Shortest deposition I've ever taken.

Ever. Ever. Wow.

So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point that he's gotten

with this.

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, he had done his deal, and now he was just getting

through the civil cases thinking that it was all over and all done.

A few steps, a smile,

and a wave to the deputy at the door. We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of

jail. Epstein served 13 months of an 18 -month sentence.

He's very happy that his jail sentence is over and he can begin a new chapter

his life.

When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail, the fact that he was prosecuted, the

that he was a registered sex offender, didn't seem to stand in the way of his

reentry into high society, wealth, and power.

The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people to look the other way.

Prince Andrew looked the other way.

We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein despite his past.

He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently, to a lot of these men that

asking him for advice.

I think that a lot of people probably knew that everything was not on the up

up, but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle.

I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way.

It was difficult to get people to pay attention.

They felt like he had served his time, and there you go.

Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump.

I've been researching and writing about child trafficking since 2002, 2003.

I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein was very similar to the network

I'd investigated.

And I just felt that something was seriously wrong.

So in 2012, I went down to Florida, and I had the good fortune of getting

the Black Book.

The Black Book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.

has billionaires, some people in showbiz, captains of industry,

and multiple girls were in my book.

I started talking to some of the girls, and they told me that they'd been flown

here or flown there, and then one told me that she'd been flown to an island.

So in 2012, I believe, Jeffrey Epstein was running a network. And I

also had the flight logs.

So were these the flight logs just for his private plane then?

Yes. Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers. I mean,

were a number of very powerful people that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein.

And there were a number of girls on the flight logs. And I assumed that...

Some of them were minors.

I worked on getting that story published for three years,

and finally Gawker stepped up and published my work.

The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it.

After that point, we would get glimpses of information.

Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach, had moved to

Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.

She claimed that she was trafficked to then Prince Andrew when she was a minor.

She was 17 at the time.

Can you tell me about the photo that she provided to a newspaper in 2011?

Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph of her, then Prince

Andrew, and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Andrew claimed that it was a fake and denied criminal wrongdoing.

The thing about Virginia is she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years, and

he had taken her every place. So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network.

She was launching civil suits, and she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

Maxwell as perpetrators, who trafficked her to his rich and powerful cronies.

But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media.

Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organizations that tried

under that rock.

Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years until another story came

out of the Miami Herald and a reporter that went back and looked at some of the

deals that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein.

Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case.

One second.

Oh, you're calling Julie?

Good morning.

Good morning. How are you? I'm wonderful.

I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office that would

to chat with you if you could give her time. Hang on. Hi, Julie.

Yeah, I've been contacted by a lot of people. Yeah, I can imagine.

Yeah,

it could be a call, but this week is not a good week. So we can talk about it

later.

Yeah, sure.

Hey, Julie, I'm so glad we could make this happen.

Yes.

Persistence pays off, right? Yep, it's okay, especially since you were willing

to come all the way to Philadelphia. I thought, oh, my God, this girl's never

going to give up. I might as well just get it over with.

Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein.

Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016.

Most journalists...

in America knew, you know, something about the Jeffrey Epstein case.

Especially Epstein's sweetheart deal, very lenient plea deal.

And there was a lot of stories about how did he get this deal? This doesn't make

any sense.

But nothing that I could find really showed me how he got away with this

And so I just started requesting the records, not knowing where it was going

lead me.

Somehow I got a list of almost 100 victims.

In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk.

And in the middle, when I was doing that, Trump nominated Alexander Acosta

labor secretary.

I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving.

Acosta was the U .S. attorney in Miami.

that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal.

So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims and ask

them, you know, what they think about the man that let their predator off the

hook, who is now, by the way, in charge of one of the largest government

agencies in the country with oversight of human trafficking.

It was a high -pressure story because it involved a lot of important people.

It was going to be put online very early in the morning.

So we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say.

And at the time, that morning, there was a funny story that was at the top of

our leaderboard. My story was at the very bottom.

And so I packed everything up. I thought, that's it for the day. You

going to take the day off.

And I was getting all ready. And another reporter said to me, Julie, look at

this story. And it was going boom, boom, boom.

We are going to begin with a much closer look at the disturbing case of Jeffrey

Epstein. Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.

Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald. Julie Brown, let me ask you, set

the scene for us.

This story uncovered this underbelly of society, of the rich and powerful, and

what they were doing to people who were less powerful.

The Miami Herald series drops in November 2018.

It had such an impact that by July of the following year, Jeffrey Epstein is

arrested and charged with sex trafficking.

Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking of

young girls, and agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion all

morning. Epstein is charged in a two -count indictment. First, conspiracy to

commit sex trafficking, and second, sex trafficking of underage girls.

beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005 at his mansion in

and in Palm Beach, Florida.

I'm not going into any dealings with the main justice. I will say that we were

assisted from some excellent investigative journalism.

I just got a call from the news desk saying we just got something over the

that said that Epstein's been arrested.

It's like, oh, you know, it's incredible.

I was just, I couldn't believe it.

Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin. Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me

today. Sure.

When your brother was arrested, can you tell me what that was like, that moment?

Jeffrey gets arrested.

You know, he spoke the night before. He called me from Paris.

Just a normal, you know, what's new, how you doing call.

And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested.

I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day.

He looked like such a small man, you know, small, frail, you know, human

Just looked lost, quite frankly. I don't think he ever thought he was going to

be re -arrested.

Now, yesterday we were there in court. His attorneys are arguing that Epstein

struck a deal with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes, granting

him immunity after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge.

The U .S. attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta.

At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump what's going to

happen with Alexander Acosta.

Good afternoon.

I remember that Acosta did have a press conference.

We believe that we proceeded appropriately.

There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him register.

Thank you very much.

And I just remember listening to him thinking, these are

all excuses.

They don't work anymore.

And apparently it didn't work because he then...

you know, resigned.

And so I called the president this morning. I told him that I thought the

thing was to step aside.

Finally, it seemed like the government was actually taking this seriously by

charging Epstein with serious crimes, sex trafficking.

And after that, other victims started to realize, I'm not alone.

When he was arrested, a lot of us were...

happy that there was a second chance for possibly some actual justice, because

what happened in 2008 wasn't justice or him being held accountable.

And at that point, I reached out to the FBI, and I was like,

here's another one of us, you know, and I want

to be a part of bringing him down.

Jeffrey Epstein was staying at the rather notorious prison where people

trial on serious offenses in the Southern District of New York.

The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan is an environment completely

foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.

The conditions were filthy.

Rodents, cockroaches, all over the place.

I agreed to represent him.

I met with him.

But just before that, there was this incident in which there was a suggestion

that he tried to commit suicide.

The multimillionaire and convicted sex offender is now on suicide watch after

was found injured in his jail cell.

I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st for about five or six hours.

He denied that he had tried to commit suicide.

The story that he told about what had happened was that the cellmate he had

forced him to put a rope around his neck and pulled it just to see the reaction

Epstein would have.

But he told the correctional officers that he couldn't remember what had

happened because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble that he would have

trouble himself.

How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back?

Good. I mean, again, he didn't like being in the jail.

But he was adamant about wanting to fight the case, and he was energized by

meeting. I think he thought he had a strong legal argument, for example, on

agreement that he had made that he felt would have barred his prosecution.

But nine days later, the last thing I would have imagined at the time

NBC News has learned that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

Sources telling ABC News that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died

suicide. It appeared that he had hung himself.

We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch.

It was astonishing.

This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes. crimes. The world's

attention is on this. How is this man allowed to turn up dead?

And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news that Jeffrey was found dead

from an apparent suicide.

At first, I had no reason to doubt it because You know, he was in jail. He was

facing a long time in jail, potentially. And I knew he wouldn't want to live

that way in jail.

So I had no reason to doubt him. I accepted that he committed suicide.

The next day, I had to come back to New York to identify his body.

As a family member, I had the right to have my own pathologist at the autopsy,

you know, just to see everything that's done right.

I spoke to his brother.

I insisted that the person I consider to be the top forensic pathologist in the

world participate in an independent autopsy.

So his name is Michael Bodden.

I was a medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years and

did more than 20 ,000 autopsies.

In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy that was going to be done

the next day.

The history was that he was found having committed suicide by hanging in his

jail cell.

When looking at the body, there was a little odd situation there because the

ligature furrow around the neck was horizontal.

In a suicidal hanging, the ligature mark is usually up the high part of the neck

and goes upwards.

And then the moment of...

Surprise, there were three fractures, two of the thyroid cartilage, which is

Adam's apple, and one of the hyoid bone. In 50 years

of doing this, I've never seen that. That's much more common, a crushing

in the homicidal strangulation.

So I think at that point, there was concern as to whether it was suicide as

thought or not.

So the medical examiner of New York City who conducted it, she said that it was

inconclusive. She couldn't say it was suicide.

But then her boss, three or four days later, changed it to suicide.

And then, okay, now all kinds of questions start coming up, and we'll

there.

Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner, and she was not at the

so she comes up with the conclusion of the suicide based on what?

Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning whether his death was a

suicide, saying they will even pursue, quote, legal action to view the pivotal

videos, if they exist as they should, of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's

cell. And it turned out somehow, magically, the cameras malfunctioned

or was in a place where the camera didn't reach.

So this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down. This is supposed

be Jeffrey Epstein now.

You're talking about August 9th at almost 8 o 'clock in the evening.

August 10th is when he was dead.

Do you think it's suspicious that there's only this one camera angle

that that's the only image?

If that's accurate, then yes, I do think it's suspicious.

You might say coincidental that cameras are malfunctioning around that time, but

pretty unbelievable.

There were so many anomalies that night.

His cellmate had been taken out. The guards were sleeping.

The cameras were down.

All of these mysterious things fueled a lot of conspiracy theories.

There's just no way you can hang yourself off of a bunk bed at that

think we have found.

Jeffrey Epstein's killer. And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United

States, and he got murdered in it. Who has the power to do that?

I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years.

When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death, half the

country thought it was a conspiracy, that he was killed by people who were

trying to cover up their involvement with him.

And you don't normally get...

Conspiracy theory is getting half the country to buy in.

Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory, but the fact that he wanted to

fight this case until the day before he died says to me that it's unlikely he

committed suicide.

I believe he was murdered.

And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people, they

could figure out what actually took place.

Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide?

No. No, I just don't believe it.

No.

He had only been there for a month.

I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel.

From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, no, I don't think he killed himself. I

just don't.

And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it.

He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time.

Very damaging documents it indicates came out two days before he changed his

will. A lot of people think he might have been killed.

Others think he killed himself.

I really think he decided to take his life. That was the last bit of control

that he had.

When I heard about that, I just, I was heartbroken for these girls.

A federal judge has officially dismissed the criminal case against Jeffrey

Epstein.

They have never gotten justice, and, you know, they didn't deserve this.

I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died.

He was kind of a mentor to me, but he was also my abuser.

So it was a very confusing time for me, and I wanted to know answers about my

life. So I reached out at that time to other survivors and called Virginia.

I had my first conversation with her.

There's just something that she had in her that I looked up to, and I really

thought was very brave.

We are here in Loxahatchee Grows, which is a rural part of Palm Beach County in

which Virginia Roberts Jafray grew up.

Not terribly affluent.

I was recruited at a very young age from Mar -a -Lago and entrapped in a world

that I didn't understand, and I've been fighting that very world to this day,

and I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced.

And here we have Mar -a -Lago, President Trump's private club.

Virginia Dufresne was a spa attendant at Mar -a -Lago, and Ghislaine Maxwell

used to go there for massages.

Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse and to

to Epstein's house.

And that was where she suffered the first abuse.

Do you know Virginia Roberts?

Say again, who?

Virginia Roberts.

Can you spell it?

Common spelling. Can you spell it for me, please?

R -O -B -E -R -T -S.

And just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled in

flight logs from your airplane.

Virginia Roberts Dufresne was instrumental in this story coming

She is the reason to a very large extent that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

Maxwell were even prosecuted because of the trail of the public record that she

left in her civil lawsuits.

Virginia Dufresne was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein, you know, she.

Named names of other people, such as Prince Andrew.

Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the prince for years now laid

primetime TV.

Virginia Roberts -Dewfree alleges Prince Andrew first sexually abused her at Ms

Maxwell's London home.

Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, you're going to meet a prince

today.

I didn't know at that point that I was going to be trafficked to that prince.

And Ghislaine said he's coming back to the house and I want you to do for him

what you do for Epstein.

One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against

It's been six years now since that famous, infamous interview with Prince

Andrew. Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now?

In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier.

You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, a public record,

in case it was ever useful.

He was in the room when I arrived. He looked ready for it.

He looked like a man who had waited a long time to kind of get it off his

frankly. There is no good time to talk about.

Mr Epstein.

My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon in terms of killing the

story dead.

She says she met you in 2001 and she went on to have sex with you in a

house in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.

Didn't happen.

Do you remember her?

No. He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo.

We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on her, whatever it is,

left side.

He'd worked out his alibi.

I'd taken Beatrice to a pizza express in Woking.

His team had thought it had gone pretty well.

Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash after a widely criticised

interview. One UK paper calling the Prince entitled and obtuse.

Four days after Newsnight broadcast its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made

this announcement.

I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from public duties for the

foreseeable future, and she has given her permission.

The interview that he gave the BBC, that was beyond

disingenuous.

He started his slow decline to ultimately being stripped of his

And I think that that was the beginning of the end.

It's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar.

No matter how much I go through therapy, I'm embedded with scars that will never

leave me, ever.

Regina Giuffre was also instrumental to the downfall of the other person in that

photograph, Ghislaine Maxwell.

In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison for sex

trafficking and other crimes.

But there was a growing public outrage that she was the only person to face

consequences in the Epstein scandal.

People were asking, what about the men?

No one had brought charges, and this was across Republican and Democratic

administrations.

When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes start spilling over

territory of the public really wanting to see the files?

Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that.

Then he.

got to be embroiled in it himself.

Donald Trump's name is all over these files.

Flight logs show Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times

prosecutors were aware.

Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?

What do you mean by personal relationships?

Have you socialized with him?

Yes, sir. Yes?

Yes, sir.

Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under

age of 18?

Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today, I'm going to have to

assert my 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendment rights.

It's indisputable that Trump had a long -term friendship with Epstein.

He told the world about it.

People think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy.

Well, I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him. I mean, people in Palm

Beach knew him. He was a fixture in Palm Beach.

There was the infamous interview where he called Epstein a great guy, likes

women on the younger side.

Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003 has a drawing of a

nude female figure with Trump's name on it.

He denies that it's his signature. We have multiple handwriting experts saying

that it is.

I don't do drawings.

I'm not a drawing person.

The fact that he had such a long personal friendship with Epstein raises

questions about what he knew about Epstein's behavior.

I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him

for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.

When do you think it was that the Epstein files actually started becoming

problem for President Trump?

I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again.

We are going to drain the swamp and we're going to do it once and for all.

to his reelection, he had been asked point blank, would you support releasing

the files?

Would you declassify the Epstein files?

Yeah, yeah, I would. And many of the people around him, they said yes.

Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. That is an important

How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, but no one on

list has even been brought to light? So this was a campaign promise that they

had made to their supporters.

Look into her father, Robert Maxwell.

Yeah. All the answers are right there. Because he was a spy. Trump built a

coalition of followers who are very conspiratorial in their worldviews and

already Epstein conspiracy theorists.

You don't know that she's 16 and she takes you in a room and that room is

with cameras.

Blackmail. Yeah. So there were fantasies about massive sex trafficking rings,

views about blackmail rings, and that Epstein was controlling all sorts of

and powerful people.

I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes. And who do you think he was working

for? The Israelis.

Trump cozied up to QAnon, and it created a lore around him that he was bringing

down these evil, powerful people because the establishment was entirely corrupt.

And he was the outsider who was going to come in and drain the swamp.

So early in Trump's second term, he appoints Pam Bondi as attorney general,

she runs with the Epstein story almost immediately.

This is something Donald Trump has talked about. The DOJ may be releasing

list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

In February of 2025,

Bondi goes out and says that she has the Epstein files and the client list on

her desk.

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump. Then there's a 180 degree

There's the release of the July memo.

From the FBI and the Department of Justice, and the July memo says an

extraordinary thing. It says that there are more than 1 ,000 survivors of

Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, and then says there's nothing to investigate, there's

nothing to release.

Turn the other way.

There was, quote, no client list or evidence that he blackmailed prominent

figures, according to a memo detailing the finding.

The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide while in custody at a

Manhattan correctional facility. That memo just sent shockwaves throughout the

American ether, especially with the MAGA base, who was so invested.

All those videos are saying, yeah, she's seen the videos. It's all coming out.

And then now it doesn't exist. I mean, what?

What? Joe, check the tweet that Elon just put out.

Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

That's the real reason they have not been made public. The Jeffrey Epstein

has caused backlash within President Trump's base, fueling conspiracy

that more details exist but are being hidden from the public.

I'm not going to play with these anymore.

MAGA hats are off.

Burn, baby, burn.

And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA.

I think the president always felt like he could control his MAGA base.

But it's the influencers who have also really kept this story alive and have

been very critical of him. We voted for Trump because we wanted justice. And

justice involves actually holding accountable the people who committed

wrongdoing. I can't reconcile this Donald Trump.

With the Trump that I voted for across multiple elections, the Epstein scandal

is definitely terminal cancer to Trump's MAGA movement. There's no question

about that. It just continued and continued.

And the president himself kept calling it a hoax. Well, I haven't been overly

interested in it. You know, it's something, it's a hoax that's been built

Way beyond proportion.

I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats.

When you call something a hoax and yet people know that there's a tremendous

amount of evidence out there that it's not a hoax, it makes them only want to

know more about it.

The president writing on social media, my past supporters have bought into the

BS hook line and thinker. Let these weaklings continue forward and do the

Democrats work because I don't want their support anymore.

Some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net. I call it

Epstein hoax.

Hello. Hi.

Marjorie. Yes, hello. Hi, I'm Grace Tobin. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet

too. Grab a seat under this big fall light.

Yeah, that's quite a light. I know, isn't it? Oh my gosh, yeah.

Do you think that they supported the losing heart and losing trust in

Trump now because of the Epstein files?

Many of them, yes. It was a line in the sand for them.

They couldn't understand it the same way I couldn't understand it. Why would he

cover this up?

And that was something that none of us ever expected from President

Trump.

I'm Rick Fraser, and I presently live in St. Mary's, Ohio.

It's good.

Strong.

I'm a front -row Joe, and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time to one of

rallies.

I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected.

But being honest with you, it pisses me off that, if I can use that language,

that on one hand, we were promised by the president that this is going to

happen.

Then on the other hand...

He turns around and it didn't happen.

I can't see why he, who is protecting me.

I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved.

You can be in pictures with anyone, but until we got transparency, how do we

know?

There is new pressure on the Trump administration from Republicans looking

the Jeffrey Epstein case. Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own, Republican

Congressman Thomas Massey.

This moron, Thomas Massey, there's something wrong with him.

When did you first start becoming concerned about what's now known as the

Epstein files?

So it started a couple years ago for me, and it really came to the forefront

when President Trump and people in his cabinet promised that they were going to

release these files.

But none of them followed through on their promise, which became suspicious

me.

My Democrat colleague, Ro Khanna from California, cares about the victims.

And so I reached out to him and said, Ro.

if I do a discharge petition, do you think you could get every single

to sign it?

And he did deliver on that promise.

Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massey are leading a bipartisan push in

the House for the release of the Epstein files.

People feel that the rich and the powerful have been not held accountable,

they have a different set of rules, and that there may be government officials

involved. Thomas Massey just filed a discharge petition to force this vote on

releasing the files. That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson has really

trying to avoid.

The White House has warned Republicans not to side with Massey, even a White

House official telling reporters last night that this would be viewed as an

of hostility.

Well, I have a 98 percent voting record with the president, was one of his most

loyal defenders.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come.

Mr. President. All right. Georgia, we know what we're going to do in 2024.

He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massey and signing on the

petition. To me, it was a matter of right and wrong and standing up for

women. The greatest president in United States history, Donald J. Trump. Right,

Georgia?

Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's the female version of Donald Trump. She was full

-blood MAGA.

So for her to be one of the people to stand up against him is very significant

in American politics.

He was losing control of the situation.

When you signed that discharge petition, afterwards you took a phone call with

President Trump.

He said that it was going to hurt people, that he knew. What people?

I don't know. I still don't know that to this day.

But the way he treated me and the names that he called me sent death threats

upon me and then my children.

This is my fifth year in Congress, and this is the largest press conference

I've seen since I've been here.

As people like Marjorie Keller Greene started getting involved, the snowball

started rolling.

This is not about politics. This is a boiling point in American history.

We see some very effective advocacy on behalf of the victims themselves.

Why did he get away with it in 2008?

Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected?

Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable when so many others played a

Let the public know the truth.

I speak today not only in service of my own recovery, but to honour the lives,

the courage and sacrifices of Virginia Dufresne and others who could not

continue.

Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein have paid tribute to

Virginia Dufresne at a rally in Washington, D .C.

She took her own life in April this year.

It made me very sad when she passed.

This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years, but the

will always catch up.

Virginia said it best, and I quote,

They say time can heal, but this won't.

Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people with so

-called privileges.

I just call it money.

People believe her now.

I mean, she won.

In a sad way.

So we gather here the steps of the Capitol to confront these corrupt

We know we have 212 Democrats, and we have four Republicans, courageous

Republicans. The only supporters that I got for my discharge petition on the

Republican side of the aisle were all women.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Nancy Mace.

Woken up at 5 a .m. in the morning with the president saying, F this, F that.

Get your effing name off of this thing.

But to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong.

There was a time when few believed that they would actually be able to get the

passage of these files.

And it was only after it became very clear that Trump was going to lose on

vote, then...

Finally, he claimed to support it.

We've done a great job, and I hate to see that deflect from the great job

done. So I'm all for it. What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote.

The yeas are 427.

The nays are one.

The bill is passed, and without objection, the motion to reconsider is

the table.

Mr. Speaker, today's an extraordinary day in this chamber.

This is about the powerless taking power away from the very

powerful.

When Trump backflipped on it, the survivors won.

The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous.

The bill forces the Justice Department to release Epstein -filed documents

within 30 days.

Once the Epstein -Files Transparency Act became law, There was a deadline,

December 19th, for the release of everything.

Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch says, however, several hundred thousand

pages of records will be made public, with more to come in the coming weeks.

Hundreds of thousands.

I could sit at home and just stay on the couch and not be involved, but being

here is just the historic.

We have a few hours till we find out. We're talking about a ton of information

that may take some time just to process.

The Justice Department has now begun the release of the Epstein files.

The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that.

There was a picture of Bill Clinton. There was very little about Donald

It was widely regarded to have few major revelations.

At least 550 pages were fully redacted. We have just a fraction right now of

what is believed to exist.

It failed in our book. We haven't received full transparency, and it's an

incomplete release of the files.

That must be his prison cell.

I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency, and we're not really

seeing it.

And if that's the best they're going to do, I don't think we're ever going to

get to the truth.

This was a slap in the face of survivors.

They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law.

People kept trying to push for the release of the files.

And six weeks later, all of a sudden, 3 .5 million documents hit the public.

Three million pages of documents, 180 ,000 images and 2 ,000 videos. The

release of files related to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking

size and its content.

Of the 180 ,000 images released, these pictures of the king's brother seem to

what everyone is talking about.

Police are assessing claims Andrew Mountbatten -Windsor shared confidential

reports with Jeffrey Epstein.

All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe.

Active investigations are now underway in at least 10 countries.

Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files in a search of any

victims from that country.

In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway has been charged with gross

corruption. Poland's prime minister also says his country would investigate

possible links between the convicted sex offender and Russian intelligence

services.

The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, communications that they

thought were private are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally.

My gosh, was this embarrassing. Can we start with Peter Attia?

Elon Musk spent the entirety of last year saying, I refuse to go to the

I refuse.

And then the emails come out where he says, when's the wildest party? When can

come to your island? Good Lord. Another very prominent person caught up in all

this is Bill Gates, of course, claims that he picked up a sexually transmitted

disease from a Russian woman. He's denied that publicly.

We have this footage where Steve Bannon is interviewing Epstein to try to

rehabilitate Epstein's image.

At the same time people are making sense of the 3 .5 million files, there's

Congress, who is continuing to investigate this and continuing to call

witnesses, including the Attorney General.

All right, getting back to our breaking news, Attorney General Pam Bondi is set

to testify before the House Judiciary Committee at any moment now.

Survivors say their identities were exposed because of inadequate redaction.

Well, right now we're heading over to the Capitol.

I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa.

After that, we'll be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing.

We have Congress working on our side and, you know, they want answers just as

much as we do.

Hi, Lisa.

Nice to meet you. Pleasure meeting you. Come on in.

We have a camera guy following us. Oh, my. I should have put on my tie on.

I want to take a moment to acknowledge the Epstein survivors who are here

I am deeply sorry for what any victim, any victim has been through.

Attorney General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologize for what

your Department of Justice has put them through with the absolutely unacceptable

release of the Epstein files and their information?

I was pretty

shocked.

That she just didn't even turn her head, just not even a little bit, just to

acknowledge.

It doesn't even have to be an apology, but to acknowledge that we were there

that we represent 1 ,200 survivors.

To my right is an email that was sent by the victim's lawyers to the DOJ. It was

a list of names not to release.

They released this email.

Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did.

And we know you touched the document because you redacted the lawyer's name,

you left the survivor's name there.

So I really have just one question for you.

How many of Epstein's co -conspirators have you indicted?

How many perpetrators are you even investigating?

First, you showed it. I find it. How many have you indicted? Excuse me. I'm

going to answer the question. Answer my question. No, I'm going to answer the

question the way I want to answer the question. No, you're going to answer the

question the way I asked it.

I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, like, wow.

They really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason.

And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why, right?

Are you looking at the reaction in Europe and the UK and other parts of the

world and scratching your head with what's going on here?

Yes. I see a different attitude overseas.

The untouchables are touchable now.

Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten -Windsor. The BBC understands that he

been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.

It comes weeks after the Justice Department released emails Andrew

sent to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in 2010.

I think for several years we'd always imagined that it could come to this

and he was arrested and I still found myself absolutely speechless for the

couple of hours.

Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time and appears to have

Epstein British government documents on trade policy.

But this wasn't the story that we were following at all. This was something

completely different.

Now, Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, has also now been

arrested. And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain

We are probably only at the very beginning.

Over two dozen people have resigned, CEOs, members of government, worldwide.

But I haven't seen any arrests or investigations here in the United States

this Department of Justice.

As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe, this is

sophisticated democracies react to alarming information.

They investigate.

I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. I have nothing to do with

Epstein. What we're seeing in the United States is Trump's Justice Department

trying to say that there is nothing to see here. Is there evidence that Jeffrey

Epstein was trafficking girls to other powerful men? According to the

Press' review of the files, the FBI says no.

In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse, do you personally know of

evidence that exists?

within the Department of Justice, within the FBI, that has not come out yet?

I do.

I do.

You know, when you have different girls telling the same stories, cooperating

with each other, that's powerful, really powerful.

So, and again, I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this

thing.

I know of people that girls were traded out to that have not come out.

I tend to believe that this story is going to outlive me because it's filled

with so many mysteries, things people don't know.

We don't know the depth of the cover -up yet, but I think this will eventually

rank up there with...

Watergate.

Hopefully, the American public is going to continue to care about this story and

continue to demand that we get all of the answers.

We're done laying down and being quiet.

Now we're screaming in public.

It's a serious question. I'm sorry. Do you think you're the devil himself?

I don't know. Why would you say that?

Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. You remember

devil is somebody who knows what? The devil's brilliant.

Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil. Very polished, wealthy, well

-spoken, very intelligent man.

And he used all of that for evil.

We do not do this story justice if we think it starts and ends with Epstein.

course it doesn't. There is so much further.

To go.