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Heat.

Welcome, welcome, welcome to last week

Welcome, welcome, welcome to last week

Welcome, welcome, welcome to last week tonight. I'M JOHN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

tonight. I'M JOHN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

tonight. I'M JOHN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. It has been a busy week, and

JOINING US. It has been a busy week, and

JOINING US. It has been a busy week, and I mean really busy. Trump against zero

I mean really busy. Trump against zero

I mean really busy. Trump against zero odds delivered the longest state of the

odds delivered the longest state of the

odds delivered the longest state of the union in history. The US and Israel

union in history. The US and Israel

union in history. The US and Israel attacked Iran with Israeli officials

attacked Iran with Israeli officials

attacked Iran with Israeli officials claiming they've killed Ayatollah Ham.

claiming they've killed Ayatollah Ham.

claiming they've killed Ayatollah Ham. And look, we are taping this on

And look, we are taping this on

And look, we are taping this on Saturday, so who the knows what's

Saturday, so who the knows what's

Saturday, so who the knows what's happened by the time you see this?

happened by the time you see this?

happened by the time you see this? Meanwhile, elsewhere, the Clintons

Meanwhile, elsewhere, the Clintons

Meanwhile, elsewhere, the Clintons testified about their connection to

testified about their connection to

testified about their connection to Jeffrey Epstein. And it turns out we

Jeffrey Epstein. And it turns out we

Jeffrey Epstein. And it turns out we might be getting a new business daddy.

might be getting a new business daddy.

might be getting a new business daddy. >> Netflix has backed out of its bid to buy

>> Netflix has backed out of its bid to buy

>> Netflix has backed out of its bid to buy Warner Brothers Discovery, paving the

Warner Brothers Discovery, paving the

Warner Brothers Discovery, paving the way for rival Paramount Sky Dance to

way for rival Paramount Sky Dance to

way for rival Paramount Sky Dance to take over.

take over.

take over. >> Yeah, not great news. In fact, if I may

>> Yeah, not great news. In fact, if I may

>> Yeah, not great news. In fact, if I may quote anyone who's ever accidentally sat

quote anyone who's ever accidentally sat

quote anyone who's ever accidentally sat on their Roku remote, "Oh I'm in

on their Roku remote, "Oh I'm in

on their Roku remote, "Oh I'm in Paramount now. How the do I get out

Paramount now. How the do I get out

Paramount now. How the do I get out of this?" Also, last Sunday saw the US

of this?" Also, last Sunday saw the US

of this?" Also, last Sunday saw the US men's hockey team win gold, only for

men's hockey team win gold, only for

men's hockey team win gold, only for this to happen.

this to happen.

this to happen. >> A wild scene in the locker room with FBI

>> A wild scene in the locker room with FBI

>> A wild scene in the locker room with FBI director Cash Patel even spotted

director Cash Patel even spotted

director Cash Patel even spotted celebrating with the team, appearing to

celebrating with the team, appearing to

celebrating with the team, appearing to chug a beer before raising the bottle in

chug a beer before raising the bottle in

chug a beer before raising the bottle in the air, spraying it across the locker

the air, spraying it across the locker

the air, spraying it across the locker room.

>> Yeah, that is the director of the FBI.

>> Yeah, that is the director of the FBI.

>> Yeah, that is the director of the FBI. looking like a little kid who won a

looking like a little kid who won a

looking like a little kid who won a prize for collecting the most canned

prize for collecting the most canned

prize for collecting the most canned goods and got to go into the locker

goods and got to go into the locker

goods and got to go into the locker room. Also, for what it's worth, he

room. Also, for what it's worth, he

room. Also, for what it's worth, he didn't chug a beer, then spray it across

didn't chug a beer, then spray it across

didn't chug a beer, then spray it across the locker room. A successful chug would

the locker room. A successful chug would

the locker room. A successful chug would render the bottle unsprayable. What he

render the bottle unsprayable. What he

render the bottle unsprayable. What he basically did there was drink a beer

basically did there was drink a beer

basically did there was drink a beer weird and then kind of fling his

weird and then kind of fling his

weird and then kind of fling his backwash around. Anyway, it was fun

backwash around. Anyway, it was fun

backwash around. Anyway, it was fun while it lasted, but it's official.

while it lasted, but it's official.

while it lasted, but it's official. Hockey sucks dick now. And sadly, NOT IN

Hockey sucks dick now. And sadly, NOT IN

Hockey sucks dick now. And sadly, NOT IN THE HOT WAY.

THE HOT WAY.

THE HOT WAY. NOW, PATEL'S PRESENCE there was strange

NOW, PATEL'S PRESENCE there was strange

NOW, PATEL'S PRESENCE there was strange for a number of reasons, not least that

for a number of reasons, not least that

for a number of reasons, not least that his press office had insisted his trip

his press office had insisted his trip

his press office had insisted his trip to the Olympics was for work. Trashing

to the Olympics was for work. Trashing

to the Olympics was for work. Trashing reports suggesting otherwise as false

reports suggesting otherwise as false

reports suggesting otherwise as false and garbage. But when his itinerary was

and garbage. But when his itinerary was

and garbage. But when his itinerary was released, it showed his 4-day trip

released, it showed his 4-day trip

released, it showed his 4-day trip contained only several hours of work

contained only several hours of work

contained only several hours of work meetings and a handful of meet and

meetings and a handful of meet and

meetings and a handful of meet and greets broken up by long segments of

greets broken up by long segments of

greets broken up by long segments of personal and leisure time with his final

personal and leisure time with his final

personal and leisure time with his final day consisting of just the gold medal

day consisting of just the gold medal

day consisting of just the gold medal game followed by his flight home. And

game followed by his flight home. And

game followed by his flight home. And look, nothing against going to Italy and

look, nothing against going to Italy and

look, nothing against going to Italy and getting a photo op. A couple of years

getting a photo op. A couple of years

getting a photo op. A couple of years back, every living comedian but me

back, every living comedian but me

back, every living comedian but me pulled that same move, and I hear they

pulled that same move, and I hear they

pulled that same move, and I hear they had a great time. But the worktoplay

had a great time. But the worktoplay

had a great time. But the worktoplay ratio seems a little off here. And this

ratio seems a little off here. And this

ratio seems a little off here. And this was just the latest instance of Patel

was just the latest instance of Patel

was just the latest instance of Patel seeming to use the FBI jet for personal

seeming to use the FBI jet for personal

seeming to use the FBI jet for personal trips, which is a little rich coming

trips, which is a little rich coming

trips, which is a little rich coming from him, given just over two years ago,

from him, given just over two years ago,

from him, given just over two years ago, he sat down with Glenn Beck and

he sat down with Glenn Beck and

he sat down with Glenn Beck and complained about his predecessor's use

complained about his predecessor's use

complained about his predecessor's use of it, like this.

of it, like this.

of it, like this. >> Chris Ray doesn't need a government

>> Chris Ray doesn't need a government

>> Chris Ray doesn't need a government funded G5 jet to go to vacation. Maybe

funded G5 jet to go to vacation. Maybe

funded G5 jet to go to vacation. Maybe we ground that plane. 15,000 every time

we ground that plane. 15,000 every time

we ground that plane. 15,000 every time it takes off.

it takes off.

it takes off. >> This is odd.

>> This is odd.

>> This is odd. >> Okay, so first let me address this man

>> Okay, so first let me address this man

>> Okay, so first let me address this man cave because it has everything to hang

cave because it has everything to hang

cave because it has everything to hang out with the boys. A chalkboard, a

out with the boys. A chalkboard, a

out with the boys. A chalkboard, a typewriter in a box, a second camera in

typewriter in a box, a second camera in

typewriter in a box, a second camera in frame, and most crucially, three

frame, and most crucially, three

frame, and most crucially, three staggeringly different seating options.

staggeringly different seating options.

staggeringly different seating options. You might all be talking, but those

You might all be talking, but those

You might all be talking, but those pieces couldn't be less in conversation

pieces couldn't be less in conversation

pieces couldn't be less in conversation with each other. But more importantly,

with each other. But more importantly,

with each other. But more importantly, the FBI director is actually required by

the FBI director is actually required by

the FBI director is actually required by law to take the bureau's private plane.

law to take the bureau's private plane.

law to take the bureau's private plane. But crucially, if the travel is

But crucially, if the travel is

But crucially, if the travel is personal, they're required to reimburse

personal, they're required to reimburse

personal, they're required to reimburse the government, though only for the cost

the government, though only for the cost

the government, though only for the cost of a commercial flight. And Patel's been

of a commercial flight. And Patel's been

of a commercial flight. And Patel's been using the jet a lot since he took office

using the jet a lot since he took office

using the jet a lot since he took office to, among other things, go to an

to, among other things, go to an

to, among other things, go to an exclusive golf resort in Scotland for a

exclusive golf resort in Scotland for a

exclusive golf resort in Scotland for a getaway with friends and to travel to a

getaway with friends and to travel to a

getaway with friends and to travel to a real American freestyle wrestling event

real American freestyle wrestling event

real American freestyle wrestling event where his girlfriend was performing the

where his girlfriend was performing the

where his girlfriend was performing the national anthem. He then flew to Texas

national anthem. He then flew to Texas

national anthem. He then flew to Texas to a resort literally called the

to a resort literally called the

to a resort literally called the Boondoggle Ranch, which would be bad

Boondoggle Ranch, which would be bad

Boondoggle Ranch, which would be bad enough even if it didn't happen during

enough even if it didn't happen during

enough even if it didn't happen during the government shutdown and if he

the government shutdown and if he

the government shutdown and if he weren't hosted by a Republican mega

weren't hosted by a Republican mega

weren't hosted by a Republican mega donor named, and this is true, Bubba

donor named, and this is true, Bubba

donor named, and this is true, Bubba Salsbury,

Salsbury,

Salsbury, which sounds like either the name of a

which sounds like either the name of a

which sounds like either the name of a baseball player from 1954 who was also

baseball player from 1954 who was also

baseball player from 1954 who was also in the clan or a dinner special at

in the clan or a dinner special at

in the clan or a dinner special at Denny's.

Denny's.

Denny's. And when Patel and his country singer

And when Patel and his country singer

And when Patel and his country singer girlfriend went on a podcast with Katie

girlfriend went on a podcast with Katie

girlfriend went on a podcast with Katie Miller, who is Steven Miller's, let me

Miller, who is Steven Miller's, let me

Miller, who is Steven Miller's, let me make sure I've got this right. Wife,

make sure I've got this right. Wife,

make sure I've got this right. Wife, he offered up this not great defense.

he offered up this not great defense.

he offered up this not great defense. >> It's ironic that they're saying, "Oh,

>> It's ironic that they're saying, "Oh,

>> It's ironic that they're saying, "Oh, you're going on vacation or you're going

you're going on vacation or you're going

you're going on vacation or you're going to see your girlfriend perform." And if

to see your girlfriend perform." And if

to see your girlfriend perform." And if I was actually abusing it, I would go

I was actually abusing it, I would go

I was actually abusing it, I would go see every one of her shows. I think I

see every one of her shows. I think I

see every one of her shows. I think I get to like 15%.

get to like 15%.

get to like 15%. >> Oh, so that's okay then. We all know

>> Oh, so that's okay then. We all know

>> Oh, so that's okay then. We all know it's not abuse if you don't do it as

it's not abuse if you don't do it as

it's not abuse if you don't do it as much as you technically could. you

much as you technically could. you

much as you technically could. you deeply weird man. And by the way, if

deeply weird man. And by the way, if

deeply weird man. And by the way, if you're expecting me to show you a clip

you're expecting me to show you a clip

you're expecting me to show you a clip of his girlfriend's music, I refuse to

of his girlfriend's music, I refuse to

of his girlfriend's music, I refuse to do that. I will just point out that if

do that. I will just point out that if

do that. I will just point out that if you go to the YouTube page for her song

you go to the YouTube page for her song

you go to the YouTube page for her song Country Back, about how she wants her

Country Back, about how she wants her

Country Back, about how she wants her country back and scroll down, the top

country back and scroll down, the top

country back and scroll down, the top comment reads simply, "Damn, Patel

comment reads simply, "Damn, Patel

comment reads simply, "Damn, Patel borrowed the jet and went to listen to

borrowed the jet and went to listen to

borrowed the jet and went to listen to this." I I'd love to agree with that

this." I I'd love to agree with that

this." I I'd love to agree with that except again, he didn't borrow the jet.

except again, he didn't borrow the jet.

except again, he didn't borrow the jet. We all paid for it. Thousands of dollars

We all paid for it. Thousands of dollars

We all paid for it. Thousands of dollars to take off. Just a thought. And the

to take off. Just a thought. And the

to take off. Just a thought. And the thing is, Patel's Olympic trip wasn't

thing is, Patel's Olympic trip wasn't

thing is, Patel's Olympic trip wasn't even the first time he's been accused of

even the first time he's been accused of

even the first time he's been accused of treating work like a vacation. Last May,

treating work like a vacation. Last May,

treating work like a vacation. Last May, he went to the UK for a meeting of the

he went to the UK for a meeting of the

he went to the UK for a meeting of the Five Eyes, an intelligence alliance with

Five Eyes, an intelligence alliance with

Five Eyes, an intelligence alliance with close English-speaking allies. And also,

close English-speaking allies. And also,

close English-speaking allies. And also, by the way, my high school nickname when

by the way, my high school nickname when

by the way, my high school nickname when bullies determined something stronger

bullies determined something stronger

bullies determined something stronger than four eyes was required.

than four eyes was required.

than four eyes was required. And while Patel's UK itinerary was

And while Patel's UK itinerary was

And while Patel's UK itinerary was tightly packed with important meetings,

tightly packed with important meetings,

tightly packed with important meetings, according to one senior official, Patel

according to one senior official, Patel

according to one senior official, Patel wanted to move them to more fun venues

wanted to move them to more fun venues

wanted to move them to more fun venues because, quote, "He wants premier soccer

because, quote, "He wants premier soccer

because, quote, "He wants premier soccer games. He wants to go jet skiing. He'd

games. He wants to go jet skiing. He'd

games. He wants to go jet skiing. He'd like a helicopter tour. His staff only

like a helicopter tour. His staff only

like a helicopter tour. His staff only cared about three things. What his meals

cared about three things. What his meals

cared about three things. What his meals were, when his workouts would be, and

were, when his workouts would be, and

were, when his workouts would be, and what his entertainment would be. The

what his entertainment would be. The

what his entertainment would be. The biggest plan is how he's going to get

biggest plan is how he's going to get

biggest plan is how he's going to get his girlfriend in there so she can go to

his girlfriend in there so she can go to

his girlfriend in there so she can go to Windsor Castle, which feels like what a

Windsor Castle, which feels like what a

Windsor Castle, which feels like what a 15-year-old boy thinks a trip to England

15-year-old boy thinks a trip to England

15-year-old boy thinks a trip to England is. Soccer, jet ski with James Bond's

is. Soccer, jet ski with James Bond's

is. Soccer, jet ski with James Bond's boss, and take your girlfriend to the

boss, and take your girlfriend to the

boss, and take your girlfriend to the castle. I'm going to show her the full

castle. I'm going to show her the full

castle. I'm going to show her the full agent Cody Banks.

agent Cody Banks.

agent Cody Banks. And it can seem like Mattel's much more

And it can seem like Mattel's much more

And it can seem like Mattel's much more interested in the trappings of his job

interested in the trappings of his job

interested in the trappings of his job than the job itself. For instance, at

than the job itself. For instance, at

than the job itself. For instance, at one point he ordered special extra-large

one point he ordered special extra-large

one point he ordered special extra-large challenge coins to hand out, which

challenge coins to hand out, which

challenge coins to hand out, which looked like this. And I assume he hands

looked like this. And I assume he hands

looked like this. And I assume he hands them out after only the sickest quests

them out after only the sickest quests

them out after only the sickest quests like completing no nut November or

like completing no nut November or

like completing no nut November or failing anger management. They look like

failing anger management. They look like

failing anger management. They look like the currency you use to pay for a

the currency you use to pay for a

the currency you use to pay for a divorce. But the thing is, this fixation

divorce. But the thing is, this fixation

divorce. But the thing is, this fixation on optics can make him very bad at his

on optics can make him very bad at his

on optics can make him very bad at his job. Take what happened last September

job. Take what happened last September

job. Take what happened last September after Charlie Kirk was shot. Within

after Charlie Kirk was shot. Within

after Charlie Kirk was shot. Within hours, Patel took to Twitter to announce

hours, Patel took to Twitter to announce

hours, Patel took to Twitter to announce that the subject for the horrific

that the subject for the horrific

that the subject for the horrific shooting today is now in custody. Only

shooting today is now in custody. Only

shooting today is now in custody. Only two 98 minutes later have to follow that

two 98 minutes later have to follow that

two 98 minutes later have to follow that with a tweet saying, "The subject in

with a tweet saying, "The subject in

with a tweet saying, "The subject in custody has been released." And in the

custody has been released." And in the

custody has been released." And in the words of one FBI veteran, "It wasn't a

words of one FBI veteran, "It wasn't a

words of one FBI veteran, "It wasn't a good look." Which does make sense, among

good look." Which does make sense, among

good look." Which does make sense, among other things. Patel's first post sure

other things. Patel's first post sure

other things. Patel's first post sure made it sound like people could stop

made it sound like people could stop

made it sound like people could stop worrying about an armed shooter on the

worrying about an armed shooter on the

worrying about an armed shooter on the loose when that was not the case. And

loose when that was not the case. And

loose when that was not the case. And yet he stood by his actions.

yet he stood by his actions.

yet he stood by his actions. >> Could I have worded it a little better

>> Could I have worded it a little better

>> Could I have worded it a little better in the heat of the moment? Sure. But do

in the heat of the moment? Sure. But do

in the heat of the moment? Sure. But do I regret putting it out? Absolutely not.

I regret putting it out? Absolutely not.

I regret putting it out? Absolutely not. I was telling the world what the FBI was

I was telling the world what the FBI was

I was telling the world what the FBI was doing as we were doing. And I'm

doing as we were doing. And I'm

doing as we were doing. And I'm continuing to do that. And I challenge

continuing to do that. And I challenge

continuing to do that. And I challenge anyone out there to find a director that

anyone out there to find a director that

anyone out there to find a director that has been more transparent and more

has been more transparent and more

has been more transparent and more willing to work the media on

willing to work the media on

willing to work the media on high-profile cases or any case the FBI

high-profile cases or any case the FBI

high-profile cases or any case the FBI is handling.

is handling.

is handling. >> Okay. But the FBI director shouldn't be

>> Okay. But the FBI director shouldn't be

>> Okay. But the FBI director shouldn't be working the media for likes. You're

working the media for likes. You're

working the media for likes. You're supposed to be solving the case, not

supposed to be solving the case, not

supposed to be solving the case, not providing running commentary. There is a

providing running commentary. There is a

providing running commentary. There is a reason the CIA has never sent out a

reason the CIA has never sent out a

reason the CIA has never sent out a press release saying we think we found

press release saying we think we found

press release saying we think we found an alien and then 90 minutes later had

an alien and then 90 minutes later had

an alien and then 90 minutes later had to say never mind. It was just a

to say never mind. It was just a

to say never mind. It was just a up looking squirrel. And the chaos in

up looking squirrel. And the chaos in

up looking squirrel. And the chaos in the Kirk investigation continued once

the Kirk investigation continued once

the Kirk investigation continued once Patel landed in Utah. Because according

Patel landed in Utah. Because according

Patel landed in Utah. Because according to one senior leader in counter

to one senior leader in counter

to one senior leader in counter intelligence, Patel didn't have a rage

intelligence, Patel didn't have a rage

intelligence, Patel didn't have a rage jacket and reportedly ordered people to

jacket and reportedly ordered people to

jacket and reportedly ordered people to go find him one. He needed a size

go find him one. He needed a size

go find him one. He needed a size medium. They found him a female's jacket

medium. They found him a female's jacket

medium. They found him a female's jacket that didn't have the patches that he

that didn't have the patches that he

that didn't have the patches that he wanted. So, he had the SWAT team taking

wanted. So, he had the SWAT team taking

wanted. So, he had the SWAT team taking the patches off to put on his jacket

the patches off to put on his jacket

the patches off to put on his jacket before he'd go to the press conference.

before he'd go to the press conference.

before he'd go to the press conference. And sure enough, that is what he then

And sure enough, that is what he then

And sure enough, that is what he then wore. Now, I do have to tell you, he

wore. Now, I do have to tell you, he

wore. Now, I do have to tell you, he disputes that account and even went on

disputes that account and even went on

disputes that account and even went on Fox News to work the media on the story.

Fox News to work the media on the story.

Fox News to work the media on the story. >> I was honoring my men and women at the

>> I was honoring my men and women at the

>> I was honoring my men and women at the FBI. One of my agents handed me a jacket

FBI. One of my agents handed me a jacket

FBI. One of my agents handed me a jacket and said, "Hey boss, you should probably

and said, "Hey boss, you should probably

and said, "Hey boss, you should probably wear this. We're going into the command

wear this. We're going into the command

wear this. We're going into the command center." I said, "I'd be honored to wear

center." I said, "I'd be honored to wear

center." I said, "I'd be honored to wear that." And then another one handed me

that." And then another one handed me

that." And then another one handed me the SWAT team badge of the unit that was

the SWAT team badge of the unit that was

the SWAT team badge of the unit that was protecting the area where Charlie was

protecting the area where Charlie was

protecting the area where Charlie was assassinated. I wore that with pride.

assassinated. I wore that with pride.

assassinated. I wore that with pride. >> I mean, okay. Although, to be fair, Cash

>> I mean, okay. Although, to be fair, Cash

>> I mean, okay. Although, to be fair, Cash wearing something with pride isn't

wearing something with pride isn't

wearing something with pride isn't exactly a high bar given he might be the

exactly a high bar given he might be the

exactly a high bar given he might be the first FBI director who has his own

first FBI director who has his own

first FBI director who has his own apparel line. And yes, that is a logo

apparel line. And yes, that is a logo

apparel line. And yes, that is a logo featuring Trump as the Punisher as

featuring Trump as the Punisher as

featuring Trump as the Punisher as Santa. And yes, his hat does say K

Santa. And yes, his hat does say K

Santa. And yes, his hat does say K dollar sign H, which I do get is

dollar sign H, which I do get is

dollar sign H, which I do get is supposed to stand for cash, but it makes

supposed to stand for cash, but it makes

supposed to stand for cash, but it makes him look more like he's in a shitty

him look more like he's in a shitty

him look more like he's in a shitty Kesha cover band. But wait, cuz it gets

Kesha cover band. But wait, cuz it gets

Kesha cover band. But wait, cuz it gets even worse. Cuz when Patel and his then

even worse. Cuz when Patel and his then

even worse. Cuz when Patel and his then deputy Dan Bonino joined a conference

deputy Dan Bonino joined a conference

deputy Dan Bonino joined a conference call about the shooting, FBI officials

call about the shooting, FBI officials

call about the shooting, FBI officials were apparently shocked by their

were apparently shocked by their

were apparently shocked by their fixation on social media with one saying

fixation on social media with one saying

fixation on social media with one saying of Patel, "He's screaming that he wants

of Patel, "He's screaming that he wants

of Patel, "He's screaming that he wants to put stuff out, but it's not even

to put stuff out, but it's not even

to put stuff out, but it's not even vetted yet. It's not even accurate."

vetted yet. It's not even accurate."

vetted yet. It's not even accurate." Everyone on the call is just like, "This

Everyone on the call is just like, "This

Everyone on the call is just like, "This guy is completely out of control." And

guy is completely out of control." And

guy is completely out of control." And let's just agree, you should never be on

let's just agree, you should never be on

let's just agree, you should never be on any conference call thinking, "This guy

any conference call thinking, "This guy

any conference call thinking, "This guy is out of control." At worst, you should

is out of control." At worst, you should

is out of control." At worst, you should be thinking, "If I died right now, would

be thinking, "If I died right now, would

be thinking, "If I died right now, would anyone notice? Would anyone care?"

anyone notice? Would anyone care?"

anyone notice? Would anyone care?" And it says something that by the time

And it says something that by the time

And it says something that by the time Kirk's alleged killer turned himself in,

Kirk's alleged killer turned himself in,

Kirk's alleged killer turned himself in, Utah's governor, Spencer Cox, had taken

Utah's governor, Spencer Cox, had taken

Utah's governor, Spencer Cox, had taken the lead in handling the press with a

the lead in handling the press with a

the lead in handling the press with a source telling Fox News that quote,

source telling Fox News that quote,

source telling Fox News that quote, "Letting Cash talk much could up

"Letting Cash talk much could up

"Letting Cash talk much could up the prosecution." The point is, Patel

the prosecution." The point is, Patel

the prosecution." The point is, Patel seems in way over his head. But weirdly,

seems in way over his head. But weirdly,

seems in way over his head. But weirdly, Trump might actually like that right

Trump might actually like that right

Trump might actually like that right now, given that there are certain areas

now, given that there are certain areas

now, given that there are certain areas where he might prefer loyalty over

where he might prefer loyalty over

where he might prefer loyalty over competence. Most notably, the Epstein

competence. Most notably, the Epstein

competence. Most notably, the Epstein case. Cuz before Patel became FBI

case. Cuz before Patel became FBI

case. Cuz before Patel became FBI director, he insisted that the agency

director, he insisted that the agency

director, he insisted that the agency could release an alleged list of people

could release an alleged list of people

could release an alleged list of people Epstein had trafficked underage girls

Epstein had trafficked underage girls

Epstein had trafficked underage girls to. And he was incredulous the

to. And he was incredulous the

to. And he was incredulous the Republicans hadn't already demanded

Republicans hadn't already demanded

Republicans hadn't already demanded that.

that.

that. >> What the hell are the House Republicans

>> What the hell are the House Republicans

>> What the hell are the House Republicans doing? They have the majority. You can't

doing? They have the majority. You can't

doing? They have the majority. You can't get the list. You're gonna accept Dick

get the list. You're gonna accept Dick

get the list. You're gonna accept Dick Durban's word or whoever that guy is as

Durban's word or whoever that guy is as

Durban's word or whoever that guy is as to who is on that list and who isn't and

to who is on that list and who isn't and

to who is on that list and who isn't and that it can and can't be released. Put

that it can and can't be released. Put

that it can and can't be released. Put on your big boy pants and let us know

on your big boy pants and let us know

on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are. Wait, wait. Put

who the pedophiles are. Wait, wait. Put

who the pedophiles are. Wait, wait. Put on your big boy pants. I'm not sure

on your big boy pants. I'm not sure

on your big boy pants. I'm not sure that's the language I'd use to talk

that's the language I'd use to talk

that's the language I'd use to talk about catching pedophiles,

about catching pedophiles,

about catching pedophiles, given it sounds more like the slogan for

given it sounds more like the slogan for

given it sounds more like the slogan for a clothing line started by Jared from

a clothing line started by Jared from

a clothing line started by Jared from Subway. But Patel's now singing a very

Subway. But Patel's now singing a very

Subway. But Patel's now singing a very different tune, arguing there's no

different tune, arguing there's no

different tune, arguing there's no credible information Epstein trafficked

credible information Epstein trafficked

credible information Epstein trafficked young women to anyone beside himself.

young women to anyone beside himself.

young women to anyone beside himself. And whenever the subject of Trump's name

And whenever the subject of Trump's name

And whenever the subject of Trump's name being in the files has come up, things

being in the files has come up, things

being in the files has come up, things have been noticeably tense.

have been noticeably tense.

have been noticeably tense. >> Did you tell the attorney general that

>> Did you tell the attorney general that

>> Did you tell the attorney general that the president's name is in the Epstein

the president's name is in the Epstein

the president's name is in the Epstein files?

files?

files? >> During many conversations that the

>> During many conversations that the

>> During many conversations that the attorney general and I have had on the

attorney general and I have had on the

attorney general and I have had on the matter of Epstein, we have reviewed

matter of Epstein, we have reviewed

matter of Epstein, we have reviewed >> The question is simple. Did you tell the

>> The question is simple. Did you tell the

>> The question is simple. Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's

attorney general that Donald Trump's

attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no?

name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no?

name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no? >> Why don't you try spelling it out?

>> Why don't you try spelling it out?

>> Why don't you try spelling it out? >> Yes or no? Director,

>> Yes or no? Director,

>> Yes or no? Director, >> use the alphabet.

>> use the alphabet.

>> use the alphabet. >> Yes or no?

>> Yes or no?

>> Yes or no? >> No. ABC.

>> No. ABC.

>> No. ABC. >> Director, did

>> Director, did

>> Director, did >> Oh, you got him. You got him so good.

>> Oh, you got him. You got him so good.

>> Oh, you got him. You got him so good. >> By the way, later in that hearing, a

>> By the way, later in that hearing, a

>> By the way, later in that hearing, a photo show Patel holding a note reading,

photo show Patel holding a note reading,

photo show Patel holding a note reading, "Good fight with Swallwell. Hold the

"Good fight with Swallwell. Hold the

"Good fight with Swallwell. Hold the line." And I don't know what would be a

line." And I don't know what would be a

line." And I don't know what would be a more embarrassing explanation there,

more embarrassing explanation there,

more embarrassing explanation there, whether he wrote that note to himself or

whether he wrote that note to himself or

whether he wrote that note to himself or his mom wrote it and slipped it into his

his mom wrote it and slipped it into his

his mom wrote it and slipped it into his Tasmanian devil lunchbox.

Tasmanian devil lunchbox.

Tasmanian devil lunchbox. And his defensiveness there is striking.

And his defensiveness there is striking.

And his defensiveness there is striking. Now the files are being released and

Now the files are being released and

Now the files are being released and Trump's name is all over them. And while

Trump's name is all over them. And while

Trump's name is all over them. And while that doesn't necessarily show evidence

that doesn't necessarily show evidence

that doesn't necessarily show evidence of wrongdoing, this week NPR scrutinized

of wrongdoing, this week NPR scrutinized

of wrongdoing, this week NPR scrutinized the files and reveals something odd.

the files and reveals something odd.

the files and reveals something odd. >> The spotlight tonight on what's not in

>> The spotlight tonight on what's not in

>> The spotlight tonight on what's not in the millions of Epstein files released

the millions of Epstein files released

the millions of Epstein files released by the DOJ. summaries and notes from

by the DOJ. summaries and notes from

by the DOJ. summaries and notes from three separate interviews the FBI

three separate interviews the FBI

three separate interviews the FBI conducted with a Jeffrey Epstein accuser

conducted with a Jeffrey Epstein accuser

conducted with a Jeffrey Epstein accuser who also made sex abuse allegations

who also made sex abuse allegations

who also made sex abuse allegations against President Trump in 2019.

against President Trump in 2019.

against President Trump in 2019. >> Yeah, that looks pretty damning. In

>> Yeah, that looks pretty damning. In

>> Yeah, that looks pretty damning. In fact, the only thing that could be any

fact, the only thing that could be any

fact, the only thing that could be any more suspicious is if we eventually find

more suspicious is if we eventually find

more suspicious is if we eventually find out that the night Epstein died, Trump

out that the night Epstein died, Trump

out that the night Epstein died, Trump was caught buying a bunch of rope at

was caught buying a bunch of rope at

was caught buying a bunch of rope at Home Depot. And look, I'm not sure how

Home Depot. And look, I'm not sure how

Home Depot. And look, I'm not sure how long Patel is going to stay in this job.

long Patel is going to stay in this job.

long Patel is going to stay in this job. Trump's reportedly displeased with his

Trump's reportedly displeased with his

Trump's reportedly displeased with his Olympics hijinks. But as stupid as that

Olympics hijinks. But as stupid as that

Olympics hijinks. But as stupid as that locker room footage is, and it's very,

locker room footage is, and it's very,

locker room footage is, and it's very, very stupid. It may actually be the

very stupid. It may actually be the

very stupid. It may actually be the perfect encapsulation of his tenure at

perfect encapsulation of his tenure at

perfect encapsulation of his tenure at the FBI. Cuz think about it, he's in

the FBI. Cuz think about it, he's in

the FBI. Cuz think about it, he's in somewhere that he doesn't belong,

somewhere that he doesn't belong,

somewhere that he doesn't belong, wearing something that makes him look

wearing something that makes him look

wearing something that makes him look ridiculous and objectively having way

ridiculous and objectively having way

ridiculous and objectively having way too good of a time. And when all of this

too good of a time. And when all of this

too good of a time. And when all of this is said and done, and he's eventually

is said and done, and he's eventually

is said and done, and he's eventually gone, someone else is going to have to

gone, someone else is going to have to

gone, someone else is going to have to clean up his mess. And now this.

clean up his mess. And now this.

clean up his mess. And now this. And now the Dan Bonino Show is back and

And now the Dan Bonino Show is back and

And now the Dan Bonino Show is back and it is weird as It is good to see

it is weird as It is good to see

it is weird as It is good to see you guys and ladies out there. It's been

you guys and ladies out there. It's been

you guys and ladies out there. It's been a crazy year. For those of you watching

a crazy year. For those of you watching

a crazy year. For those of you watching the show right now, we are obviously

the show right now, we are obviously

the show right now, we are obviously live my watch. Well, like anybody can

live my watch. Well, like anybody can

live my watch. Well, like anybody can set a time and a watch, but you get the

set a time and a watch, but you get the

set a time and a watch, but you get the point. I think it's fairly obvious. And

point. I think it's fairly obvious. And

point. I think it's fairly obvious. And I'm going to tell you something. I ate

I'm going to tell you something. I ate

I'm going to tell you something. I ate this morning for the first time in three

this morning for the first time in three

this morning for the first time in three days. And man, I feel like a million

days. And man, I feel like a million

days. And man, I feel like a million dollars. So, just throwing that out

dollars. So, just throwing that out

dollars. So, just throwing that out there. Elbow's a little sore this

there. Elbow's a little sore this

there. Elbow's a little sore this morning. I was putting on a shirt the

morning. I was putting on a shirt the

morning. I was putting on a shirt the other day. My elbow snapped back and it

other day. My elbow snapped back and it

other day. My elbow snapped back and it is like killing me this morning. I had

is like killing me this morning. I had

is like killing me this morning. I had to take an Advil when I got up. I'm

to take an Advil when I got up. I'm

to take an Advil when I got up. I'm like, "What the hell?" Sorry, my eye

like, "What the hell?" Sorry, my eye

like, "What the hell?" Sorry, my eye getting a little red. I feel like I have

getting a little red. I feel like I have

getting a little red. I feel like I have a little something in my eye there. You

a little something in my eye there. You

a little something in my eye there. You see how it's a little red over there?

see how it's a little red over there?

see how it's a little red over there? I know. I drink funny. I told you I got

I know. I drink funny. I told you I got

I know. I drink funny. I told you I got arthritis in my elbow. Nothing like

arthritis in my elbow. Nothing like

arthritis in my elbow. Nothing like being a dad. I don't have any any boys.

being a dad. I don't have any any boys.

being a dad. I don't have any any boys. I I got to tell you, I wish I had I I've

I I got to tell you, I wish I had I I've

I I got to tell you, I wish I had I I've got an older daughter and a younger

got an older daughter and a younger

got an older daughter and a younger daughter and uh they're pretty far

daughter and uh they're pretty far

daughter and uh they're pretty far apart. I probably should have had one in

apart. I probably should have had one in

apart. I probably should have had one in between and taken a shot. I'm I'm one of

between and taken a shot. I'm I'm one of

between and taken a shot. I'm I'm one of three boys. I have a step, but I never

three boys. I have a step, but I never

three boys. I have a step, but I never had a you know, a boy. Hey, Dick.

had a you know, a boy. Hey, Dick.

had a you know, a boy. Hey, Dick. Dicko.

Dicko.

Dicko. Dicky.

Dicky.

Dicky. Hey, Dicko. Did you see that? They call

Hey, Dicko. Did you see that? They call

Hey, Dicko. Did you see that? They call you Dicko. my friends

you Dicko. my friends

you Dicko. my friends Dicky Dicko or something like my some of

Dicky Dicko or something like my some of

Dicky Dicko or something like my some of my friends call me Dano. Maybe they call

my friends call me Dano. Maybe they call

my friends call me Dano. Maybe they call him Dicko. I don't know. I don't know. I

him Dicko. I don't know. I don't know. I

him Dicko. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

don't know.

don't know. You don't have to like speculate on

You don't have to like speculate on

You don't have to like speculate on what?

That was my plastic cigar. Don't get

That was my plastic cigar. Don't get

That was my plastic cigar. Don't get distracted because if there's a there

distracted because if there's a there

distracted because if there's a there there, don't get into another there

there, don't get into another there

there, don't get into another there that's not there because it takes away

that's not there because it takes away

that's not there because it takes away from the there that's there. Do you get

from the there that's there. Do you get

from the there that's there. Do you get my point?

Moving on, our main story tonight

Moving on, our main story tonight

Moving on, our main story tonight concerns the police. The main thing

concerns the police. The main thing

concerns the police. The main thing Steven Seagal pretends to be, aside from

Steven Seagal pretends to be, aside from

Steven Seagal pretends to be, aside from a guy whose hair is naturally black. I'm

a guy whose hair is naturally black. I'm

a guy whose hair is naturally black. I'm sorry, but the only way you get that

sorry, but the only way you get that

sorry, but the only way you get that color is by dunking your head into a vat

color is by dunking your head into a vat

color is by dunking your head into a vat of printer ink. Specifically, we're

of printer ink. Specifically, we're

of printer ink. Specifically, we're going to talk about a particular tool

going to talk about a particular tool

going to talk about a particular tool police use that is responsible for,

police use that is responsible for,

police use that is responsible for, among other things, this incredible

among other things, this incredible

among other things, this incredible story.

story.

story. >> A shocking scene for kids at a

>> A shocking scene for kids at a

>> A shocking scene for kids at a Chuck-E-Cheese. One minute they are just

Chuck-E-Cheese. One minute they are just

Chuck-E-Cheese. One minute they are just having fun and then all of a sudden

having fun and then all of a sudden

having fun and then all of a sudden police rush in and put Chuck-E-Cheese in

police rush in and put Chuck-E-Cheese in

police rush in and put Chuck-E-Cheese in handcuffs.

handcuffs.

handcuffs. >> We're going to detain detain the mouse.

>> We're going to detain detain the mouse.

>> We're going to detain detain the mouse. Do you are

Do you are

Do you are >> not one to

>> not one to

>> not one to the suspect. He stole someone's card

the suspect. He stole someone's card

the suspect. He stole someone's card here and has been using it. Uh someone

here and has been using it. Uh someone

here and has been using it. Uh someone that was one of your uh employees like

that was one of your uh employees like

that was one of your uh employees like classmate or something like that. So

classmate or something like that. So

classmate or something like that. So >> yeah. Yeah.

Wow, there is a lot going on there. From

Wow, there is a lot going on there. From

Wow, there is a lot going on there. From the kid screaming, "CHUCKY, NO." TO THE

the kid screaming, "CHUCKY, NO." TO THE

the kid screaming, "CHUCKY, NO." TO THE PHRASE, "We're going to detain the

PHRASE, "We're going to detain the

PHRASE, "We're going to detain the mouse, dude." Which sounds like what an

mouse, dude." Which sounds like what an

mouse, dude." Which sounds like what an ICE agent would say if Fival tried to

ICE agent would say if Fival tried to

ICE agent would say if Fival tried to immigrate to America today. That arrest

immigrate to America today. That arrest

immigrate to America today. That arrest is one of many videos we've only been

is one of many videos we've only been

is one of many videos we've only been able to see thanks to police body

able to see thanks to police body

able to see thanks to police body cameras, the devices that give us a

cameras, the devices that give us a

cameras, the devices that give us a nipples eye view of law enforcement's

nipples eye view of law enforcement's

nipples eye view of law enforcement's interactions with the public. They are

interactions with the public. They are

interactions with the public. They are ubiquitous now, but body cams are still

ubiquitous now, but body cams are still

ubiquitous now, but body cams are still fairly new. As recently as 2013, only a

fairly new. As recently as 2013, only a

fairly new. As recently as 2013, only a third of police departments had them.

third of police departments had them.

third of police departments had them. But by 2020, 79% of officers reported

But by 2020, 79% of officers reported

But by 2020, 79% of officers reported working in departments with bodywn

working in departments with bodywn

working in departments with bodywn cameras. To the point, it's been said

cameras. To the point, it's been said

cameras. To the point, it's been said that they represent the largest new

that they represent the largest new

that they represent the largest new investment in policing in a generation.

investment in policing in a generation.

investment in policing in a generation. And body cams have been viewed as a

And body cams have been viewed as a

And body cams have been viewed as a popular solution to problems regarding

popular solution to problems regarding

popular solution to problems regarding transparency in law enforcement, which

transparency in law enforcement, which

transparency in law enforcement, which may be why a key democratic demand right

may be why a key democratic demand right

may be why a key democratic demand right now for ending the shutdown of funding

now for ending the shutdown of funding

now for ending the shutdown of funding to DHS involves this catchy phrase. We

to DHS involves this catchy phrase. We

to DHS involves this catchy phrase. We want there to be masks off, body cameras

want there to be masks off, body cameras

want there to be masks off, body cameras on.

on.

on. >> Masks off, body cameras on.

>> Masks off, body cameras on.

>> Masks off, body cameras on. >> We want masks off, body cameras on.

>> We want masks off, body cameras on.

>> We want masks off, body cameras on. >> Stirring stuff. That is the leader of

>> Stirring stuff. That is the leader of

>> Stirring stuff. That is the leader of the opposition there. And that is truly

the opposition there. And that is truly

the opposition there. And that is truly the best he's got. Honestly, you could

the best he's got. Honestly, you could

the best he's got. Honestly, you could set a white noise machine to fiery Chuck

set a white noise machine to fiery Chuck

set a white noise machine to fiery Chuck Schumer speech and get a full 8 hours.

Schumer speech and get a full 8 hours.

Schumer speech and get a full 8 hours. And the truth is, body cams can seem

And the truth is, body cams can seem

And the truth is, body cams can seem like a great tool for increasing

like a great tool for increasing

like a great tool for increasing accountability and building trust. and

accountability and building trust. and

accountability and building trust. and cops themselves tend to value them too,

cops themselves tend to value them too,

cops themselves tend to value them too, though for slightly different reasons

though for slightly different reasons

though for slightly different reasons than the rest of us, as for them, it's

than the rest of us, as for them, it's

than the rest of us, as for them, it's more about reducing frivolous or false

more about reducing frivolous or false

more about reducing frivolous or false complaints. In fact, according to a 2018

complaints. In fact, according to a 2018

complaints. In fact, according to a 2018 survey, while just 34% of local police

survey, while just 34% of local police

survey, while just 34% of local police and sheriff's officers said they

and sheriff's officers said they

and sheriff's officers said they acquired body warn cameras to reduce use

acquired body warn cameras to reduce use

acquired body warn cameras to reduce use of force, nearly 80% wanted them in

of force, nearly 80% wanted them in

of force, nearly 80% wanted them in order to do things like improve officer

order to do things like improve officer

order to do things like improve officer safety, increase evidence quality,

safety, increase evidence quality,

safety, increase evidence quality, reduce civilian complaints, and reduce

reduce civilian complaints, and reduce

reduce civilian complaints, and reduce agency liability. And look, ideally, you

agency liability. And look, ideally, you

agency liability. And look, ideally, you could have all of those things. In fact,

could have all of those things. In fact,

could have all of those things. In fact, as this police captain in Virginia sees

as this police captain in Virginia sees

as this police captain in Virginia sees it, the best case scenario for body cams

it, the best case scenario for body cams

it, the best case scenario for body cams is them improving everyone's behavior.

is them improving everyone's behavior.

is them improving everyone's behavior. When a camera is present, everyone acts

When a camera is present, everyone acts

When a camera is present, everyone acts a little bit better. So perhaps this is

a little bit better. So perhaps this is

a little bit better. So perhaps this is an opportunity for us to deescalate an

an opportunity for us to deescalate an

an opportunity for us to deescalate an incident. If something is very very

incident. If something is very very

incident. If something is very very escalated, um it'll be a reminder to

escalated, um it'll be a reminder to

escalated, um it'll be a reminder to everyone involved and include the the

everyone involved and include the the

everyone involved and include the the officers and the public that a camera is

officers and the public that a camera is

officers and the public that a camera is present and hopefully that we all are

present and hopefully that we all are

present and hopefully that we all are acting a little bit better, a little

acting a little bit better, a little

acting a little bit better, a little more civil to each other.

more civil to each other.

more civil to each other. >> Well, that certainly sounds nice,

>> Well, that certainly sounds nice,

>> Well, that certainly sounds nice, doesn't it? Although when a camera's

doesn't it? Although when a camera's

doesn't it? Although when a camera's present, everyone acts a bit better. Is

present, everyone acts a bit better. Is

present, everyone acts a bit better. Is an observation from someone who clearly

an observation from someone who clearly

an observation from someone who clearly doesn't watch reality TV. A world in

doesn't watch reality TV. A world in

doesn't watch reality TV. A world in which a camera's presence is your cue to

which a camera's presence is your cue to

which a camera's presence is your cue to throw a glass of penog grigio into

throw a glass of penog grigio into

throw a glass of penog grigio into someone's face and call them a in

someone's face and call them a in

someone's face and call them a in the middle of a nice restaurant. Still,

the middle of a nice restaurant. Still,

the middle of a nice restaurant. Still, that notion that body cams can be a way

that notion that body cams can be a way

that notion that body cams can be a way of calming down interactions with law

of calming down interactions with law

of calming down interactions with law enforcement is appealing. And it may be

enforcement is appealing. And it may be

enforcement is appealing. And it may be why it seems we're about to slap them on

why it seems we're about to slap them on

why it seems we're about to slap them on the chest of all ICE agents across the

the chest of all ICE agents across the

the chest of all ICE agents across the country in the name of accountability.

country in the name of accountability.

country in the name of accountability. But the thing is the more you look into

But the thing is the more you look into

But the thing is the more you look into body cams the more you realize they are

body cams the more you realize they are

body cams the more you realize they are only effective if they are used properly

only effective if they are used properly

only effective if they are used properly and in many cases they are just not. So

and in many cases they are just not. So

and in many cases they are just not. So given that tonight let's talk about body

given that tonight let's talk about body

given that tonight let's talk about body cams and let's start with the fact that

cams and let's start with the fact that

cams and let's start with the fact that straight away there are certain

straight away there are certain

straight away there are certain limitations to what they can tell us as

limitations to what they can tell us as

limitations to what they can tell us as because of their field of view they

because of their field of view they

because of their field of view they can't capture the full context of

can't capture the full context of

can't capture the full context of everything going on. And while I think

everything going on. And while I think

everything going on. And while I think you probably already get that just watch

you probably already get that just watch

you probably already get that just watch as this today's show reporter

as this today's show reporter

as this today's show reporter demonstrates it in the weirdest possible

demonstrates it in the weirdest possible

demonstrates it in the weirdest possible way. Seth is putting on a body camera.

way. Seth is putting on a body camera.

way. Seth is putting on a body camera. My producer Jovana is off to the side

My producer Jovana is off to the side

My producer Jovana is off to the side shooting from a distance on her iPhone

shooting from a distance on her iPhone

shooting from a distance on her iPhone to give us the complete picture like a

to give us the complete picture like a

to give us the complete picture like a bystander would. Scenario one, something

bystander would. Scenario one, something

bystander would. Scenario one, something Seth calls deceptive intensity.

Seth calls deceptive intensity.

Seth calls deceptive intensity. Watch this body camera footage closely.

Watch this body camera footage closely.

Watch this body camera footage closely. What's happening here?

What's happening here?

What's happening here? >> All right. Now, let's look from the

>> All right. Now, let's look from the

>> All right. Now, let's look from the bystander's iPhone.

bystander's iPhone.

bystander's iPhone. >> That's right. No brawl here. Just really

>> That's right. No brawl here. Just really

>> That's right. No brawl here. Just really bad dancing. Okay, I will admit that

bad dancing. Okay, I will admit that

bad dancing. Okay, I will admit that demonstration was effective because the

demonstration was effective because the

demonstration was effective because the body cam footage did look like a violent

body cam footage did look like a violent

body cam footage did look like a violent brawl when we now know they were in fact

brawl when we now know they were in fact

brawl when we now know they were in fact doing a Richard Simmons workout at each

doing a Richard Simmons workout at each

doing a Richard Simmons workout at each other. And that's not the only weird

other. And that's not the only weird

other. And that's not the only weird demonstration like that. Interpretation

demonstration like that. Interpretation

demonstration like that. Interpretation can be very misleading. For example,

can be very misleading. For example,

can be very misleading. For example, you, the viewer at home, can only see me

you, the viewer at home, can only see me

you, the viewer at home, can only see me from the chest up. You have no idea

from the chest up. You have no idea

from the chest up. You have no idea what's in my hand. However, the view

what's in my hand. However, the view

what's in my hand. However, the view from a second camera may show that I am

from a second camera may show that I am

from a second camera may show that I am holding what appears to be a gun when in

holding what appears to be a gun when in

holding what appears to be a gun when in reality I'm just holding a flashlight.

reality I'm just holding a flashlight.

reality I'm just holding a flashlight. >> Okay, I'll be honest. That felt less

>> Okay, I'll be honest. That felt less

>> Okay, I'll be honest. That felt less like a local news segment and more like

like a local news segment and more like

like a local news segment and more like the routine of the world's worst

the routine of the world's worst

the routine of the world's worst birthday magician. Gather around, kids,

birthday magician. Gather around, kids,

birthday magician. Gather around, kids, for my first trick. You probably think I

for my first trick. You probably think I

for my first trick. You probably think I have a gun in my hand, but it's actually

have a gun in my hand, but it's actually

have a gun in my hand, but it's actually a flashlight. What's that? Your parents

a flashlight. What's that? Your parents

a flashlight. What's that? Your parents want their money back. No problem.

want their money back. No problem.

want their money back. No problem. Here's their money. Or is it actually

Here's their money. Or is it actually

Here's their money. Or is it actually another flashlight?

another flashlight?

another flashlight? But those examples, while ridiculous, do

But those examples, while ridiculous, do

But those examples, while ridiculous, do show how hard it can be to interpret

show how hard it can be to interpret

show how hard it can be to interpret what's captured on video. But the audio

what's captured on video. But the audio

what's captured on video. But the audio can be deceptive as well. Take this

can be deceptive as well. Take this

can be deceptive as well. Take this example from Florida, where the shouts

example from Florida, where the shouts

example from Florida, where the shouts of officers wound up shaping a very

of officers wound up shaping a very

of officers wound up shaping a very misleading narrative.

misleading narrative.

misleading narrative. >> Officers were wearing bodywn cameras and

>> Officers were wearing bodywn cameras and

>> Officers were wearing bodywn cameras and they were chasing after an individual.

they were chasing after an individual.

they were chasing after an individual. >> He walked over to the sidewalk and lay

>> He walked over to the sidewalk and lay

>> He walked over to the sidewalk and lay down on the sidewalk spread eagled.

You can hear on the body warn camera

You can hear on the body warn camera

You can hear on the body warn camera footage officers screaming, you know,

footage officers screaming, you know,

footage officers screaming, you know, stop resisting, stop resisting.

stop resisting, stop resisting.

stop resisting, stop resisting. >> Okay, GET YOUR HAND BEHIND YOU.

>> Okay, GET YOUR HAND BEHIND YOU.

>> Okay, GET YOUR HAND BEHIND YOU. >> STOP RESISTING.

>> STOP RESISTING.

>> STOP RESISTING. >> GET YOUR HANDS.

>> GET YOUR HANDS.

>> GET YOUR HANDS. >> STOP RESISTING.

>> STOP RESISTING.

>> STOP RESISTING. >> STOP RESISTING.

>> STOP RESISTING.

>> STOP RESISTING. >> OKAY, STOP.

>> OKAY, STOP.

>> OKAY, STOP. >> He claimed that they they beat him

>> He claimed that they they beat him

>> He claimed that they they beat him unnecessarily and nobody believed him

unnecessarily and nobody believed him

unnecessarily and nobody believed him until that video from the nearby

until that video from the nearby

until that video from the nearby building came out.

building came out.

building came out. >> Yeah, they're yelling, "Stop resisting

>> Yeah, they're yelling, "Stop resisting

>> Yeah, they're yelling, "Stop resisting when he wasn't resisting at all." And it

when he wasn't resisting at all." And it

when he wasn't resisting at all." And it can be powerful to claim something's

can be powerful to claim something's

can be powerful to claim something's happening that the camera cannot see. It

happening that the camera cannot see. It

happening that the camera cannot see. It it'd be like me telling you that under

it'd be like me telling you that under

it'd be like me telling you that under this desk I've got the thighs of a

this desk I've got the thighs of a

this desk I've got the thighs of a bodybuilder and an ass that won't quit

bodybuilder and an ass that won't quit

bodybuilder and an ass that won't quit when the truth is I've got two perfectly

when the truth is I've got two perfectly

when the truth is I've got two perfectly average thighs and an ass that quits all

average thighs and an ass that quits all

average thighs and an ass that quits all the time. And that's not a one-off. A

the time. And that's not a one-off. A

the time. And that's not a one-off. A similar situation happened in the

similar situation happened in the

similar situation happened in the beating death of Tyrie Nichols where the

beating death of Tyrie Nichols where the

beating death of Tyrie Nichols where the audio on officers body cams picked them

audio on officers body cams picked them

audio on officers body cams picked them up saying things like lay flat only for

up saying things like lay flat only for

up saying things like lay flat only for another video to emerge showing him

another video to emerge showing him

another video to emerge showing him lying limp as an officer handcuffed him.

lying limp as an officer handcuffed him.

lying limp as an officer handcuffed him. The point is, there are immediately

The point is, there are immediately

The point is, there are immediately limits to what a camera can show you.

limits to what a camera can show you.

limits to what a camera can show you. But those limitations get even more

But those limitations get even more

But those limitations get even more acute when cops mute, obscure, or turn

acute when cops mute, obscure, or turn

acute when cops mute, obscure, or turn off their cameras, which happens and

off their cameras, which happens and

off their cameras, which happens and sometimes on purpose. And that is

sometimes on purpose. And that is

sometimes on purpose. And that is something driven home by this incident

something driven home by this incident

something driven home by this incident where a police captain who was arrested

where a police captain who was arrested

where a police captain who was arrested for drunk driving kept urgently trying

for drunk driving kept urgently trying

for drunk driving kept urgently trying to convey something to the officer who

to convey something to the officer who

to convey something to the officer who pulled him over. You

pulled him over. You

pulled him over. You >> been drinking the night?

>> been drinking the night?

>> been drinking the night? >> I just got a ride.

>> I just got a ride.

>> I just got a ride. >> You've been drinking tonight, sir?

>> You've been drinking tonight, sir?

>> You've been drinking tonight, sir? >> I'm a captain on the police department.

>> I'm a captain on the police department.

>> I'm a captain on the police department. What police department?

What police department?

What police department? >> Oklahoma say

>> Oklahoma say

>> Oklahoma say the camera.

the camera.

the camera. >> How much we had to drink last night,

>> How much we had to drink last night,

>> How much we had to drink last night, sir?

>> Please.

>> Please.

>> Please. >> Huh?

>> Huh?

>> Huh? >> Turn the camera off.

>> Turn the camera off.

>> Turn the camera off. >> I'm not turning my camera off.

>> I'm not turning my camera off.

>> I'm not turning my camera off. >> Okay.

>> Okay.

>> Okay. >> Yeah, that is a police captain

>> Yeah, that is a police captain

>> Yeah, that is a police captain whispering, "Turn your camera off,"

whispering, "Turn your camera off,"

whispering, "Turn your camera off," while simultaneously staring into it

while simultaneously staring into it

while simultaneously staring into it like a raccoon caught on a Ring

like a raccoon caught on a Ring

like a raccoon caught on a Ring doorbell. And it is genuinely hard to

doorbell. And it is genuinely hard to

doorbell. And it is genuinely hard to imagine a more embarrassing way to get

imagine a more embarrassing way to get

imagine a more embarrassing way to get arrested than that, which is saying

arrested than that, which is saying

arrested than that, which is saying something because you just saw someone

something because you just saw someone

something because you just saw someone get handcuffed while dressed like a

get handcuffed while dressed like a

get handcuffed while dressed like a giant mouse. And look, it makes sense

giant mouse. And look, it makes sense

giant mouse. And look, it makes sense that these things have an off button.

that these things have an off button.

that these things have an off button. Cops need to be able to take a in

Cops need to be able to take a in

Cops need to be able to take a in peace like the rest of us. And some of

peace like the rest of us. And some of

peace like the rest of us. And some of the people they talk to might need their

the people they talk to might need their

the people they talk to might need their privacy protected, too. That is why

privacy protected, too. That is why

privacy protected, too. That is why Connecticut, for instance, has a law

Connecticut, for instance, has a law

Connecticut, for instance, has a law that says they have to turn cameras off

that says they have to turn cameras off

that says they have to turn cameras off in cases like during an encounter with

in cases like during an encounter with

in cases like during an encounter with an undercover officer or informant, when

an undercover officer or informant, when

an undercover officer or informant, when an officer is on break or engaged in

an officer is on break or engaged in

an officer is on break or engaged in personal business, and when a person is

personal business, and when a person is

personal business, and when a person is undergoing a medical or psychological

undergoing a medical or psychological

undergoing a medical or psychological evaluation or treatment. But obviously,

evaluation or treatment. But obviously,

evaluation or treatment. But obviously, some critical interactions when people

some critical interactions when people

some critical interactions when people have been hurt or killed by police still

have been hurt or killed by police still

have been hurt or killed by police still go unrecorded. And while you might

go unrecorded. And while you might

go unrecorded. And while you might think, well, maybe the incident

think, well, maybe the incident

think, well, maybe the incident escalated suddenly and officers didn't

escalated suddenly and officers didn't

escalated suddenly and officers didn't have time to turn their cameras on, you

have time to turn their cameras on, you

have time to turn their cameras on, you should know most body cams are basically

should know most body cams are basically

should know most body cams are basically always in a standby mode in which the

always in a standby mode in which the

always in a standby mode in which the camera is powered on and rolling, but

camera is powered on and rolling, but

camera is powered on and rolling, but not yet permanently saving the footage.

not yet permanently saving the footage.

not yet permanently saving the footage. It's only when an officer presses record

It's only when an officer presses record

It's only when an officer presses record that the camera will begin saving

that the camera will begin saving

that the camera will begin saving footage to permanent memory. That saved

footage to permanent memory. That saved

footage to permanent memory. That saved clip then includes footage recorded for

clip then includes footage recorded for

clip then includes footage recorded for a predetermined amount of buffer time

a predetermined amount of buffer time

a predetermined amount of buffer time before the record button was pressed,

before the record button was pressed,

before the record button was pressed, which can range from 15 seconds to 2

which can range from 15 seconds to 2

which can range from 15 seconds to 2 minutes. So there's actually a

minutes. So there's actually a

minutes. So there's actually a meaningful amount of context that can

meaningful amount of context that can

meaningful amount of context that can get captured prior to an officer hitting

get captured prior to an officer hitting

get captured prior to an officer hitting record if that's something they're

record if that's something they're

record if that's something they're inclined to do. And yet often times they

inclined to do. And yet often times they

inclined to do. And yet often times they just happen to be turned off during

just happen to be turned off during

just happen to be turned off during incidents of police violence. For

incidents of police violence. For

incidents of police violence. For example, even though the LAPD requires

example, even though the LAPD requires

example, even though the LAPD requires officers to turn on their cameras before

officers to turn on their cameras before

officers to turn on their cameras before any interaction with the public, nearly

any interaction with the public, nearly

any interaction with the public, nearly a fourth of its officers involved in

a fourth of its officers involved in

a fourth of its officers involved in incidents where serious force was used

incidents where serious force was used

incidents where serious force was used failed to activate them in a timely

failed to activate them in a timely

failed to activate them in a timely manner. And some unions and police

manner. And some unions and police

manner. And some unions and police officials are quick to excuse that sort

officials are quick to excuse that sort

officials are quick to excuse that sort of thing. For instance, not long after

of thing. For instance, not long after

of thing. For instance, not long after Houston rolled out body cams, two police

Houston rolled out body cams, two police

Houston rolled out body cams, two police officers shot a man near a gas station,

officers shot a man near a gas station,

officers shot a man near a gas station, but neither turned on their cameras

but neither turned on their cameras

but neither turned on their cameras until the incident was over. And this is

until the incident was over. And this is

until the incident was over. And this is how the police union's then president

how the police union's then president

how the police union's then president defended that.

defended that.

defended that. >> This was the first real high-profile

>> This was the first real high-profile

>> This was the first real high-profile test of this department's body camera

test of this department's body camera

test of this department's body camera policy. Pass or fail.

policy. Pass or fail.

policy. Pass or fail. >> If the officer's primary responsibility

>> If the officer's primary responsibility

>> If the officer's primary responsibility was his safety, he passed. If his

was his safety, he passed. If his

was his safety, he passed. If his primary responsibility was videotaping

primary responsibility was videotaping

primary responsibility was videotaping the entire scene, he failed. If he was

the entire scene, he failed. If he was

the entire scene, he failed. If he was your cameraman and only had to worry

your cameraman and only had to worry

your cameraman and only had to worry about videotaping that, I would I would

about videotaping that, I would I would

about videotaping that, I would I would blame that cameraman for not getting it.

blame that cameraman for not getting it.

blame that cameraman for not getting it. But that's not his primary

But that's not his primary

But that's not his primary responsibility. His primary

responsibility. His primary

responsibility. His primary responsibility is to make sure he's safe

responsibility is to make sure he's safe

responsibility is to make sure he's safe and the public's safe. Okay. But he did

and the public's safe. Okay. But he did

and the public's safe. Okay. But he did shoot someone. My cameraman gets footage

shoot someone. My cameraman gets footage

shoot someone. My cameraman gets footage and has never shot anyone. Well, doing

and has never shot anyone. Well, doing

and has never shot anyone. Well, doing this job at least. I don't know what

this job at least. I don't know what

this job at least. I don't know what Dante does during his off hours. That's

Dante does during his off hours. That's

Dante does during his off hours. That's his time. Also, activating a body camera

his time. Also, activating a body camera

his time. Also, activating a body camera isn't exactly an overwhelming task. We

isn't exactly an overwhelming task. We

isn't exactly an overwhelming task. We looked into it and the process is step

looked into it and the process is step

looked into it and the process is step one, press the record button. Step two,

one, press the record button. Step two,

one, press the record button. Step two, end of steps.

end of steps.

end of steps. But even if an officer does turn on

But even if an officer does turn on

But even if an officer does turn on their camera and even if it shows what

their camera and even if it shows what

their camera and even if it shows what happened clearly, there's still the

happened clearly, there's still the

happened clearly, there's still the issue of what happens to all the

issue of what happens to all the

issue of what happens to all the footage. Because to be clear, there is

footage. Because to be clear, there is

footage. Because to be clear, there is an enormous amount of it. To give you a

an enormous amount of it. To give you a

an enormous amount of it. To give you a sense of scale, Axon, the nation's

sense of scale, Axon, the nation's

sense of scale, Axon, the nation's largest police camera provider, offers

largest police camera provider, offers

largest police camera provider, offers cloud storage for many of its clients

cloud storage for many of its clients

cloud storage for many of its clients footage. And its database is more than

footage. And its database is more than

footage. And its database is more than 100 pabytes of footage, equivalent to

100 pabytes of footage, equivalent to

100 pabytes of footage, equivalent to more than 5,000 years of highdefinition

more than 5,000 years of highdefinition

more than 5,000 years of highdefinition video, which is pretty wild, isn't it?

video, which is pretty wild, isn't it?

video, which is pretty wild, isn't it? Both that there is so much of it and

Both that there is so much of it and

Both that there is so much of it and also that pedibyte is a real unit of

also that pedibyte is a real unit of

also that pedibyte is a real unit of digital storage and not what it sounds

digital storage and not what it sounds

digital storage and not what it sounds like, a snack food brand exclusively for

like, a snack food brand exclusively for

like, a snack food brand exclusively for pedophiles. Pedabyte, have a snack, you

pedophiles. Pedabyte, have a snack, you

pedophiles. Pedabyte, have a snack, you monster.

monster.

monster. And the thing is, most of that footage

And the thing is, most of that footage

And the thing is, most of that footage will never be watched by anyone, which

will never be watched by anyone, which

will never be watched by anyone, which is understandable. You know, it's

is understandable. You know, it's

is understandable. You know, it's impossible for agencies to look at every

impossible for agencies to look at every

impossible for agencies to look at every minute of footage from all these

minute of footage from all these

minute of footage from all these cameras. But far too often, even footage

cameras. But far too often, even footage

cameras. But far too often, even footage that documents misconduct isn't

that documents misconduct isn't

that documents misconduct isn't meaningfully reviews, meaning

meaningfully reviews, meaning

meaningfully reviews, meaning departments miss opportunities to spot

departments miss opportunities to spot

departments miss opportunities to spot both problem officers and broader

both problem officers and broader

both problem officers and broader patterns of abuse. After the mur murder

patterns of abuse. After the mur murder

patterns of abuse. After the mur murder of George Floyd, it it emerged that body

of George Floyd, it it emerged that body

of George Floyd, it it emerged that body cams had captured Derek Schovin kneeling

cams had captured Derek Schovin kneeling

cams had captured Derek Schovin kneeling on the necks of others, including a

on the necks of others, including a

on the necks of others, including a handcuffed black woman and a 14-year-old

handcuffed black woman and a 14-year-old

handcuffed black woman and a 14-year-old black boy. In both those cases,

black boy. In both those cases,

black boy. In both those cases, supervisors had access to the recordings

supervisors had access to the recordings

supervisors had access to the recordings yet cleared Shogun's conduct. And when a

yet cleared Shogun's conduct. And when a

yet cleared Shogun's conduct. And when a state civil rights investigation later

state civil rights investigation later

state civil rights investigation later looked at 700 hours of body cam footage,

looked at 700 hours of body cam footage,

looked at 700 hours of body cam footage, it found Minneapolis cops repeatedly

it found Minneapolis cops repeatedly

it found Minneapolis cops repeatedly used neck restraints and concluded that

used neck restraints and concluded that

used neck restraints and concluded that if police or the city had conducted a

if police or the city had conducted a

if police or the city had conducted a substantive audit of the footage, they

substantive audit of the footage, they

substantive audit of the footage, they would have seen how often officers there

would have seen how often officers there

would have seen how often officers there were using neck restraints and could

were using neck restraints and could

were using neck restraints and could have taken steps to stop it. And clearly

have taken steps to stop it. And clearly

have taken steps to stop it. And clearly someone should have done that because

someone should have done that because

someone should have done that because there's no point in the police just

there's no point in the police just

there's no point in the police just stacking up thousands of hours of

stacking up thousands of hours of

stacking up thousands of hours of footage that nobody's ever going to see.

footage that nobody's ever going to see.

footage that nobody's ever going to see. Especially given that we all know that

Especially given that we all know that

Especially given that we all know that is Paramount Plus's job. Hey, WHAT ARE

is Paramount Plus's job. Hey, WHAT ARE

is Paramount Plus's job. Hey, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? Take us over and

THEY GOING TO DO? Take us over and

THEY GOING TO DO? Take us over and immediately cancel us? I'm genuinely

immediately cancel us? I'm genuinely

immediately cancel us? I'm genuinely asking.

asking.

asking. So internally,

So internally,

So internally, departments aren't reviewing their own

departments aren't reviewing their own

departments aren't reviewing their own footage nearly enough. And when it comes

footage nearly enough. And when it comes

footage nearly enough. And when it comes to public transparency, the results have

to public transparency, the results have

to public transparency, the results have been all over the map. And you might be

been all over the map. And you might be

been all over the map. And you might be thinking, well, why not just put all the

thinking, well, why not just put all the

thinking, well, why not just put all the footage out there for everyone to see.

footage out there for everyone to see.

footage out there for everyone to see. Well, the thing is there are legitimate

Well, the thing is there are legitimate

Well, the thing is there are legitimate reasons not to do that. First, there are

reasons not to do that. First, there are

reasons not to do that. First, there are issues with how all that video could be

issues with how all that video could be

issues with how all that video could be fed into facial recognition systems,

fed into facial recognition systems,

fed into facial recognition systems, which we have talked about before. But

which we have talked about before. But

which we have talked about before. But also remember, body cams can show

also remember, body cams can show

also remember, body cams can show vulnerable or embarrassing moments,

vulnerable or embarrassing moments,

vulnerable or embarrassing moments, which can then be exploited for

which can then be exploited for

which can then be exploited for entertainment. And I know we've already

entertainment. And I know we've already

entertainment. And I know we've already showed you a couple of examples of that

showed you a couple of examples of that

showed you a couple of examples of that tonight, but we thought a lot about why

tonight, but we thought a lot about why

tonight, but we thought a lot about why we were doing that and how. In the mouse

we were doing that and how. In the mouse

we were doing that and how. In the mouse one, his face is covered. And in the

one, his face is covered. And in the

one, his face is covered. And in the police captain one, you might have

police captain one, you might have

police captain one, you might have noticed he was a police captain.

noticed he was a police captain.

noticed he was a police captain. But there are countless channels on

But there are countless channels on

But there are countless channels on YouTube that have made a business out of

YouTube that have made a business out of

YouTube that have made a business out of obtaining body cam footage of people in

obtaining body cam footage of people in

obtaining body cam footage of people in distress and which do feel like they're

distress and which do feel like they're

distress and which do feel like they're leaning into exploitation. One channel

leaning into exploitation. One channel

leaning into exploitation. One channel has videos called Entitled Lady Finally

has videos called Entitled Lady Finally

has videos called Entitled Lady Finally Gets What She Deserves and Buckle Up

Gets What She Deserves and Buckle Up

Gets What She Deserves and Buckle Up Kids Grandma's Drunk, which sounds like

Kids Grandma's Drunk, which sounds like

Kids Grandma's Drunk, which sounds like a kids book written by Kathy Lee Gford.

a kids book written by Kathy Lee Gford.

a kids book written by Kathy Lee Gford. Another channel has videos mainly of

Another channel has videos mainly of

Another channel has videos mainly of young women with titles like 19-year-old

young women with titles like 19-year-old

young women with titles like 19-year-old girl arrested for DUI at over double the

girl arrested for DUI at over double the

girl arrested for DUI at over double the limit after getting drunk at the beach,

limit after getting drunk at the beach,

limit after getting drunk at the beach, which is pretty grim. And by the way,

which is pretty grim. And by the way,

which is pretty grim. And by the way, we've blurred the faces there, but they

we've blurred the faces there, but they

we've blurred the faces there, but they don't do that. And it almost makes me

don't do that. And it almost makes me

don't do that. And it almost makes me think that YouTube as a whole might not

think that YouTube as a whole might not

think that YouTube as a whole might not have been worth it. Offsetting its very

have been worth it. Offsetting its very

have been worth it. Offsetting its very real accomplishments, like this video of

real accomplishments, like this video of

real accomplishments, like this video of a Chihuahua riding a turtle, or this one

a Chihuahua riding a turtle, or this one

a Chihuahua riding a turtle, or this one of Kelsey Grammar falling off a stage,

of Kelsey Grammar falling off a stage,

of Kelsey Grammar falling off a stage, or this one of a sheep screaming like a

or this one of a sheep screaming like a

or this one of a sheep screaming like a human.

YEAH, THAT MIGHT be the best thing ever

YEAH, THAT MIGHT be the best thing ever

YEAH, THAT MIGHT be the best thing ever posted to YouTube. And if you're

posted to YouTube. And if you're

posted to YouTube. And if you're thinking, John, what about the several

thinking, John, what about the several

thinking, John, what about the several hundred episodes of your show? I said

hundred episodes of your show? I said

hundred episodes of your show? I said what I said.

what I said.

what I said. Now, those channels often get videos

Now, those channels often get videos

Now, those channels often get videos through public records requests. But

through public records requests. But

through public records requests. But police departments can have a huge

police departments can have a huge

police departments can have a huge amount of leeway when it comes to what

amount of leeway when it comes to what

amount of leeway when it comes to what they release, as in most places,

they release, as in most places,

they release, as in most places, policymakers have defaulted to leaving

policymakers have defaulted to leaving

policymakers have defaulted to leaving them with the power to decide what's

them with the power to decide what's

them with the power to decide what's recorded, who can see it, and when. Just

recorded, who can see it, and when. Just

recorded, who can see it, and when. Just watch as a reporter asked Charlotte's

watch as a reporter asked Charlotte's

watch as a reporter asked Charlotte's then police chief how to reconcile his

then police chief how to reconcile his

then police chief how to reconcile his commitment to transparency with his

commitment to transparency with his

commitment to transparency with his department's refusal to release video of

department's refusal to release video of

department's refusal to release video of a police shooting.

a police shooting.

a police shooting. >> You seem to get mixed messages here. On

>> You seem to get mixed messages here. On

>> You seem to get mixed messages here. On the one hand, you're saying we should

the one hand, you're saying we should

the one hand, you're saying we should have full transparency. On the other

have full transparency. On the other

have full transparency. On the other hand, you're saying you're not going to

hand, you're saying you're not going to

hand, you're saying you're not going to release the video. How can you square

release the video. How can you square

release the video. How can you square those two things? The obviously the idea

those two things? The obviously the idea

those two things? The obviously the idea of full transparency is release the

of full transparency is release the

of full transparency is release the video so we can all see it.

video so we can all see it.

video so we can all see it. >> Sure. I appreciate your passion, but I

>> Sure. I appreciate your passion, but I

>> Sure. I appreciate your passion, but I never said full transparency. I said

never said full transparency. I said

never said full transparency. I said transparency. And transparency is in the

transparency. And transparency is in the

transparency. And transparency is in the eye of the beholder.

eye of the beholder.

eye of the beholder. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Transparency is in the eye

wait, wait. Transparency is in the eye

wait, wait. Transparency is in the eye of the beholder. That is just fully

of the beholder. That is just fully

of the beholder. That is just fully nonsense. That sounds like the last

nonsense. That sounds like the last

nonsense. That sounds like the last thoughts of a pigeon that's about to

thoughts of a pigeon that's about to

thoughts of a pigeon that's about to smash into a closed window.

smash into a closed window.

smash into a closed window. And yet that has been the de facto

And yet that has been the de facto

And yet that has been the de facto stance of many departments. For example,

stance of many departments. For example,

stance of many departments. For example, even though in 2020 the NYPD promised to

even though in 2020 the NYPD promised to

even though in 2020 the NYPD promised to release footage of critical incidents

release footage of critical incidents

release footage of critical incidents within 30 days, when ProPublica looked

within 30 days, when ProPublica looked

within 30 days, when ProPublica looked into it 3 years later, they found that

into it 3 years later, they found that

into it 3 years later, they found that out of 380 such incidents, the NYPD had

out of 380 such incidents, the NYPD had

out of 380 such incidents, the NYPD had released footage within a month, just

released footage within a month, just

released footage within a month, just twice. And in South Carolina, when the

twice. And in South Carolina, when the

twice. And in South Carolina, when the police there had killed at least 19

police there had killed at least 19

police there had killed at least 19 people in 2023, they'd only released

people in 2023, they'd only released

people in 2023, they'd only released footage in three of those cases, with

footage in three of those cases, with

footage in three of those cases, with one department refusing a request by

one department refusing a request by

one department refusing a request by saying, "We never release that footage."

saying, "We never release that footage."

saying, "We never release that footage." And a popular argument police use is

And a popular argument police use is

And a popular argument police use is that making video public would undermine

that making video public would undermine

that making video public would undermine the integrity of an investigation. It's

the integrity of an investigation. It's

the integrity of an investigation. It's an excuse which works in almost every

an excuse which works in almost every

an excuse which works in almost every state in the country, even when there's

state in the country, even when there's

state in the country, even when there's rules for public access. They'll also

rules for public access. They'll also

rules for public access. They'll also argue that reviewing the footage and

argue that reviewing the footage and

argue that reviewing the footage and redacting sensitive information like

redacting sensitive information like

redacting sensitive information like juveniles faces or witnesses identities

juveniles faces or witnesses identities

juveniles faces or witnesses identities carries a prohibitive cost. In Las

carries a prohibitive cost. In Las

carries a prohibitive cost. In Las Vegas, uh, police charged about $70 an

Vegas, uh, police charged about $70 an

Vegas, uh, police charged about $70 an hour to produce footage, while in

hour to produce footage, while in

hour to produce footage, while in Memphis, journalists have been asked to

Memphis, journalists have been asked to

Memphis, journalists have been asked to pay as much as $3,100 in hourly labor

pay as much as $3,100 in hourly labor

pay as much as $3,100 in hourly labor costs for video from a single case. And

costs for video from a single case. And

costs for video from a single case. And as one expert said, for a local news

as one expert said, for a local news

as one expert said, for a local news organization, a bill for $2,000 might as

organization, a bill for $2,000 might as

organization, a bill for $2,000 might as well be a denial, which does make sense,

well be a denial, which does make sense,

well be a denial, which does make sense, doesn't it? Because local news are known

doesn't it? Because local news are known

doesn't it? Because local news are known for a lot of things. Dedicated

for a lot of things. Dedicated

for a lot of things. Dedicated employees, probing investigations,

employees, probing investigations,

employees, probing investigations, inadvertently broadcasting massive dicks

inadvertently broadcasting massive dicks

inadvertently broadcasting massive dicks on their weather maps. But they're not

on their weather maps. But they're not

on their weather maps. But they're not famous for rolling in money. And even if

famous for rolling in money. And even if

famous for rolling in money. And even if footage gets released, it can be so

footage gets released, it can be so

footage gets released, it can be so heavily redacted, it's then essentially

heavily redacted, it's then essentially

heavily redacted, it's then essentially useless. For example, until last year,

useless. For example, until last year,

useless. For example, until last year, Tempe, Arizona's police department had a

Tempe, Arizona's police department had a

Tempe, Arizona's police department had a policy which mandated that all body cam

policy which mandated that all body cam

policy which mandated that all body cam footage they released would include a

footage they released would include a

footage they released would include a general medium blur. And just so you

general medium blur. And just so you

general medium blur. And just so you know, this is what their blurred footage

know, this is what their blurred footage

know, this is what their blurred footage looks like. And it is notable that when

looks like. And it is notable that when

looks like. And it is notable that when body cam footage shows officers in a bad

body cam footage shows officers in a bad

body cam footage shows officers in a bad light, they will often cite the cost and

light, they will often cite the cost and

light, they will often cite the cost and technical hurdles of redaction to not

technical hurdles of redaction to not

technical hurdles of redaction to not release it. But when it shows them in a

release it. But when it shows them in a

release it. But when it shows them in a good light, those problems seem to

good light, those problems seem to

good light, those problems seem to disappear. Just watch as a reporter in

disappear. Just watch as a reporter in

disappear. Just watch as a reporter in Texas confronts a police chief who was

Texas confronts a police chief who was

Texas confronts a police chief who was claiming that because they didn't have

claiming that because they didn't have

claiming that because they didn't have the ability to redact video themselves,

the ability to redact video themselves,

the ability to redact video themselves, they couldn't release a video of a

they couldn't release a video of a

they couldn't release a video of a police search during a traffic stop. In

police search during a traffic stop. In

police search during a traffic stop. In the year 2024, why doesn't this

the year 2024, why doesn't this

the year 2024, why doesn't this department have software to redact

department have software to redact

department have software to redact videos?

videos?

videos? >> It's really expensive for us to get.

>> It's really expensive for us to get.

>> It's really expensive for us to get. >> Angleton Chief Lupe Valdez showed us a

>> Angleton Chief Lupe Valdez showed us a

>> Angleton Chief Lupe Valdez showed us a quote from their body cam vendor. More

quote from their body cam vendor. More

quote from their body cam vendor. More than $14,000.

than $14,000.

than $14,000. >> Budgetwise, it's it's not in our budget

>> Budgetwise, it's it's not in our budget

>> Budgetwise, it's it's not in our budget to do that.

to do that.

to do that. >> But there's this body cam video Angleton

>> But there's this body cam video Angleton

>> But there's this body cam video Angleton Police released a few months ago of a

Police released a few months ago of a

Police released a few months ago of a crash where officers heroically pulled

crash where officers heroically pulled

crash where officers heroically pulled the driver out of the burning car. And

the driver out of the burning car. And

the driver out of the burning car. And look, portions are blurred.

look, portions are blurred.

look, portions are blurred. >> How were you able to redact the video in

>> How were you able to redact the video in

>> How were you able to redact the video in that case? We paid somebody to do that.

that case? We paid somebody to do that.

that case? We paid somebody to do that. >> So, let me get this straight. When your

>> So, let me get this straight. When your

>> So, let me get this straight. When your officers are heroes, do you find a way

officers are heroes, do you find a way

officers are heroes, do you find a way to release it? But when your officers

to release it? But when your officers

to release it? But when your officers are scrutinized, do you find a way to

are scrutinized, do you find a way to

are scrutinized, do you find a way to withhold it?

withhold it?

withhold it? >> No, sir. That's what happened here,

>> No, sir. That's what happened here,

>> No, sir. That's what happened here, Chief. No, sir.

Chief. No, sir.

Chief. No, sir. >> Uh, yes, sir. That is exactly what

>> Uh, yes, sir. That is exactly what

>> Uh, yes, sir. That is exactly what happened. That interview could not have

happened. That interview could not have

happened. That interview could not have been any more embarrassing for that man,

been any more embarrassing for that man,

been any more embarrassing for that man, which is why I'm sure he'd prefer if we

which is why I'm sure he'd prefer if we

which is why I'm sure he'd prefer if we blurted him right now. But I'm not going

blurted him right now. But I'm not going

blurted him right now. But I'm not going to do that because much like him, I only

to do that because much like him, I only

to do that because much like him, I only pay people to redact video when I

pay people to redact video when I

pay people to redact video when I feel like it. But maybe no case

feel like it. But maybe no case

feel like it. But maybe no case illustrates the extent to which the mere

illustrates the extent to which the mere

illustrates the extent to which the mere presence of body cams isn't sufficient

presence of body cams isn't sufficient

presence of body cams isn't sufficient to prevent police violence or indeed

to prevent police violence or indeed

to prevent police violence or indeed bring accountability more than that of

bring accountability more than that of

bring accountability more than that of Ronald Green, a Louisiana man who died

Ronald Green, a Louisiana man who died

Ronald Green, a Louisiana man who died following an encounter with police in

following an encounter with police in

following an encounter with police in 2019. Officers initially told his family

2019. Officers initially told his family

2019. Officers initially told his family that he died on impact after crashing

that he died on impact after crashing

that he died on impact after crashing his car at the end of a chase with

his car at the end of a chase with

his car at the end of a chase with police. And even though there was body

police. And even though there was body

police. And even though there was body cam footage from officers on the scene,

cam footage from officers on the scene,

cam footage from officers on the scene, state officials, including the then

state officials, including the then

state officials, including the then governor, repeatedly refused to publicly

governor, repeatedly refused to publicly

governor, repeatedly refused to publicly release it for more than two years. In

release it for more than two years. In

release it for more than two years. In the end, someone wound up leaking the

the end, someone wound up leaking the

the end, someone wound up leaking the video to the AP, which is how people

video to the AP, which is how people

video to the AP, which is how people came to see a state trooper wrestling

came to see a state trooper wrestling

came to see a state trooper wrestling Green to the ground, putting him in a

Green to the ground, putting him in a

Green to the ground, putting him in a chokeold, and punching him in the face.

chokeold, and punching him in the face.

chokeold, and punching him in the face. And I'm not going to show you the video

And I'm not going to show you the video

And I'm not going to show you the video of any of that, but I do think it's

of any of that, but I do think it's

of any of that, but I do think it's worth seeing one moment from one of the

worth seeing one moment from one of the

worth seeing one moment from one of the officers body cams as he drove away from

officers body cams as he drove away from

officers body cams as he drove away from the scene.

the scene.

the scene. >> I beat the ever living out of him,

>> I beat the ever living out of him,

>> I beat the ever living out of him, choked him, and everything else trying

choked him, and everything else trying

choked him, and everything else trying to get him under control. And then all

to get him under control. And then all

to get him under control. And then all of a sudden, he just went limp.

of a sudden, he just went limp.

of a sudden, he just went limp. >> Damn.

>> Damn.

>> Damn. >> Yeah. I thought he was dead. We set him

>> Yeah. I thought he was dead. We set him

>> Yeah. I thought he was dead. We set him up real quick.

up real quick.

up real quick. He's on the ambulance and route to

He's on the ambulance and route to

He's on the ambulance and route to Glenwood and and I'm hauling ass trying

Glenwood and and I'm hauling ass trying

Glenwood and and I'm hauling ass trying to catch up to him. You think he u got

to catch up to him. You think he u got

to catch up to him. You think he u got on body cam?

>> Yeah. As soon as he was reminded his

>> Yeah. As soon as he was reminded his

>> Yeah. As soon as he was reminded his body camera was on, he turned it off,

body camera was on, he turned it off,

body camera was on, he turned it off, which is pretty damning. It is honestly

which is pretty damning. It is honestly

which is pretty damning. It is honestly the panicked move of someone whose

the panicked move of someone whose

the panicked move of someone whose internal monologue was essentially just

internal monologue was essentially just

internal monologue was essentially just this.

Yeah, exactly. Now, now none of the six

Yeah, exactly. Now, now none of the six

Yeah, exactly. Now, now none of the six officers on the scene wound up facing

officers on the scene wound up facing

officers on the scene wound up facing much in the way of charges. The guy in

much in the way of charges. The guy in

much in the way of charges. The guy in that video actually wound up dying the

that video actually wound up dying the

that video actually wound up dying the following year in a car crash. As for

following year in a car crash. As for

following year in a car crash. As for the other five, only two were convicted

the other five, only two were convicted

the other five, only two were convicted on any charges, and those were

on any charges, and those were

on any charges, and those were misdemeanor pled down, but charges

misdemeanor pled down, but charges

misdemeanor pled down, but charges against the other three were dismissed.

against the other three were dismissed.

against the other three were dismissed. And the DOJ dropped its criminal

And the DOJ dropped its criminal

And the DOJ dropped its criminal investigation, saying it had found

investigation, saying it had found

investigation, saying it had found insufficient evidence to support federal

insufficient evidence to support federal

insufficient evidence to support federal charges. But that might be because even

charges. But that might be because even

charges. But that might be because even though there was body cam footage, the

though there was body cam footage, the

though there was body cam footage, the microphones weren't always on and not

microphones weren't always on and not

microphones weren't always on and not all of the troopers at the scene had

all of the troopers at the scene had

all of the troopers at the scene had their cameras on during the arrest. And

their cameras on during the arrest. And

their cameras on during the arrest. And that does not seem like a coincidence

that does not seem like a coincidence

that does not seem like a coincidence because the AP found state troopers

because the AP found state troopers

because the AP found state troopers there had made a habit of turning off or

there had made a habit of turning off or

there had made a habit of turning off or muting body cams during pursuits. That

muting body cams during pursuits. That

muting body cams during pursuits. That when footage is recorded, the agency

when footage is recorded, the agency

when footage is recorded, the agency routinely refused to release it. And

routinely refused to release it. And

routinely refused to release it. And that one supervisor in the department

that one supervisor in the department

that one supervisor in the department even told internal investigators that it

even told internal investigators that it

even told internal investigators that it was his common practice to rubber stamp

was his common practice to rubber stamp

was his common practice to rubber stamp officers use of force reports without

officers use of force reports without

officers use of force reports without reviewing body cam video. And if you're

reviewing body cam video. And if you're

reviewing body cam video. And if you're not even going to watch the footage, why

not even going to watch the footage, why

not even going to watch the footage, why give your officers body cams at all? you

give your officers body cams at all? you

give your officers body cams at all? you might as well just let them hang a

might as well just let them hang a

might as well just let them hang a bologn sandwich off their shirt instead.

bologn sandwich off their shirt instead.

bologn sandwich off their shirt instead. It'll lead to exactly as much

It'll lead to exactly as much

It'll lead to exactly as much accountability and they'll have a little

accountability and they'll have a little

accountability and they'll have a little meat snack in case they get hungry. And

meat snack in case they get hungry. And

meat snack in case they get hungry. And the truth is, if someone hadn't leaked

the truth is, if someone hadn't leaked

the truth is, if someone hadn't leaked that footage, we'd likely never have

that footage, we'd likely never have

that footage, we'd likely never have known about any of this. But hoping for

known about any of this. But hoping for

known about any of this. But hoping for leaks just cannot be the system here.

leaks just cannot be the system here.

leaks just cannot be the system here. So, what do we do? Well, I would argue

So, what do we do? Well, I would argue

So, what do we do? Well, I would argue we have to take back the power from

we have to take back the power from

we have to take back the power from police departments to decide when and

police departments to decide when and

police departments to decide when and how to use body cams. Some agencies are

how to use body cams. Some agencies are

how to use body cams. Some agencies are transitioning to auto triggering

transitioning to auto triggering

transitioning to auto triggering technologies like sensors that switch

technologies like sensors that switch

technologies like sensors that switch them on when officers do things like

them on when officers do things like

them on when officers do things like draw their gun or exit their police car.

draw their gun or exit their police car.

draw their gun or exit their police car. Experts told us those aren't necessarily

Experts told us those aren't necessarily

Experts told us those aren't necessarily bad ideas, but they're likely to fall

bad ideas, but they're likely to fall

bad ideas, but they're likely to fall flat if they aren't combined with clear

flat if they aren't combined with clear

flat if they aren't combined with clear enforceable rules stating the footage

enforceable rules stating the footage

enforceable rules stating the footage must be retained, routinely reviewed,

must be retained, routinely reviewed,

must be retained, routinely reviewed, and released in a timely manner,

and released in a timely manner,

and released in a timely manner, especially in critical incidents. One

especially in critical incidents. One

especially in critical incidents. One way of doing that is to have those rules

way of doing that is to have those rules

way of doing that is to have those rules enforced by an independent body free of

enforced by an independent body free of

enforced by an independent body free of police influence. And all of this is

police influence. And all of this is

police influence. And all of this is really worth bearing in mind during the

really worth bearing in mind during the

really worth bearing in mind during the current debate over requiring federal

current debate over requiring federal

current debate over requiring federal agents to wear body cams during

agents to wear body cams during

agents to wear body cams during immigration enforcement because it's

immigration enforcement because it's

immigration enforcement because it's worth remembering a pretty important

worth remembering a pretty important

worth remembering a pretty important fact about the officers in the Alex

fact about the officers in the Alex

fact about the officers in the Alex Pressie shooting.

Pressie shooting.

Pressie shooting. >> Customs and Border Protection officers

>> Customs and Border Protection officers

>> Customs and Border Protection officers involved in the deadly shooting were

involved in the deadly shooting were

involved in the deadly shooting were wearing body cameras. The agency says

wearing body cameras. The agency says

wearing body cameras. The agency says the footage is preserved, but it's

the footage is preserved, but it's

the footage is preserved, but it's unclear when or whether the public's

unclear when or whether the public's

unclear when or whether the public's going to see it.

going to see it.

going to see it. >> Can I ask you a question? Why isn't it

>> Can I ask you a question? Why isn't it

>> Can I ask you a question? Why isn't it automatic that the body camera footage

automatic that the body camera footage

automatic that the body camera footage would eventually be released?

would eventually be released?

would eventually be released? >> Uh, you'd think it would be. Uh, here

>> Uh, you'd think it would be. Uh, here

>> Uh, you'd think it would be. Uh, here though, the Trump administration has

though, the Trump administration has

though, the Trump administration has resisted cooperation with any

resisted cooperation with any

resisted cooperation with any investigation. And George, remember,

investigation. And George, remember,

investigation. And George, remember, they've already drawn a conclusion that

they've already drawn a conclusion that

they've already drawn a conclusion that the shooting was justified.

the shooting was justified.

the shooting was justified. >> Yeah. They still haven't released the

>> Yeah. They still haven't released the

>> Yeah. They still haven't released the body cam footage. kind of rendering that

body cam footage. kind of rendering that

body cam footage. kind of rendering that whole masks off, body cams on slogan

whole masks off, body cams on slogan

whole masks off, body cams on slogan pretty toothless. Though to be fair, I

pretty toothless. Though to be fair, I

pretty toothless. Though to be fair, I guess masks off, body cams on and

guess masks off, body cams on and

guess masks off, body cams on and operating under clear guidelines about

operating under clear guidelines about

operating under clear guidelines about when footage is released and overseen by

when footage is released and overseen by

when footage is released and overseen by an independent body to ensure maximum

an independent body to ensure maximum

an independent body to ensure maximum transparency isn't quite as catchy. And

transparency isn't quite as catchy. And

transparency isn't quite as catchy. And if Chuck Schumer tries to say it, I

if Chuck Schumer tries to say it, I

if Chuck Schumer tries to say it, I think his head might explode.

think his head might explode.

think his head might explode. The point is, the reason we know what

The point is, the reason we know what

The point is, the reason we know what happened to Alex Prey isn't because of

happened to Alex Prey isn't because of

happened to Alex Prey isn't because of body cams. It's because of all the other

body cams. It's because of all the other

body cams. It's because of all the other people with cell phones filming what

people with cell phones filming what

people with cell phones filming what happened. And that is going to need to

happened. And that is going to need to

happened. And that is going to need to continue because until we see

continue because until we see

continue because until we see significant changes, body cams will just

significant changes, body cams will just

significant changes, body cams will just never live up to their promise of

never live up to their promise of

never live up to their promise of shining a real light on misconduct. And

shining a real light on misconduct. And

shining a real light on misconduct. And if you need a visual metaphor for a

if you need a visual metaphor for a

if you need a visual metaphor for a light being shined on things, don't

light being shined on things, don't

light being shined on things, don't worry because I have in my hand and this

worry because I have in my hand and this

worry because I have in my hand and this may surprise you

may surprise you

may surprise you a flashlight.

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