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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,848 --> 00:00:19,686 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2 00:00:28,403 --> 00:00:31,573 I started out making a film about the New York disco scene in the '70s. 3 00:00:31,656 --> 00:00:34,701 And I discovered this sort of genius at the center of it all. 4 00:00:34,784 --> 00:00:36,619 Whether it was disco, the Bee Gees, 5 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:38,163 Saturday Night Fever, you name it, 6 00:00:38,246 --> 00:00:40,582 Robert Stigwood's fingerprints are all over it. 7 00:00:40,665 --> 00:00:43,001 He was the Wizard of Oz of the 1970s. 8 00:00:54,429 --> 00:00:58,475 ♪ (“BOOGIE OOGIE OOGIE” BY A TASTE OF HONEY PLAYING) ♪ 9 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:23,291 KEVIN MCCORMICK: I moved back to New York in late '75, 10 00:01:23,374 --> 00:01:25,001 beginning of '76. 11 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:29,088 I had gotten a job to work for RSO, 12 00:01:29,172 --> 00:01:31,090 the Robert Stigwood Organization. 13 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:35,011 Robert at that point was in the music business, 14 00:01:35,094 --> 00:01:37,847 and other than the Bee Gees, I really didn't know that much. 15 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:40,350 I knew he had Eric Clapton he was managing... 16 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:44,187 and it was just at a moment where he was transitioning 17 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:45,772 into producing movies. 18 00:01:46,564 --> 00:01:47,690 I'm like, in my early twenties, 19 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:51,319 and I'm head of development and production. 20 00:01:51,402 --> 00:01:53,655 And one of the first things Robert had done, 21 00:01:53,738 --> 00:01:54,989 when he set up the new company, 22 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:58,827 was sign John Travolta to a three-picture deal. 23 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:00,995 But we didn't have any pictures to support it, 24 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:02,705 so I said to Robert, "What do I do now?" 25 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:04,958 And he said, "Well, you go out and buy projects." 26 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:10,338 ♪ If you're thinkin' You're too cool to boogie ♪ 27 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:14,050 KEVIN: In '75, '76, in New York, 28 00:02:14,133 --> 00:02:17,178 there was a very cool disco culture. 29 00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:19,556 You know, music was happening 30 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,933 and people were coming out to do something 31 00:02:22,016 --> 00:02:24,394 that you weren't allowed to do in any other environment. 32 00:02:24,477 --> 00:02:25,937 ♪ ...'Cause we're gonna Boogie oogie oogie ♪ 33 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:28,815 ♪ 'Till you just can't boogie No more ♪ 34 00:02:28,898 --> 00:02:32,694 ♪ Ah, boogie Boogie no more... ♪ 35 00:02:32,777 --> 00:02:35,280 KEVIN: And as I'm looking for stories, 36 00:02:35,363 --> 00:02:39,075 I met this sort of cutting-edge rock 'n' roll journalist 37 00:02:39,158 --> 00:02:41,327 called Nik Cohn. 38 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:44,914 Nik had this particular insight about music, and about people, 39 00:02:44,998 --> 00:02:50,169 and nocturnal explorations of Manhattan and the boroughs. 40 00:02:50,253 --> 00:02:52,964 ♪ 'Cause we're gonna Boogie oogie oogie... ♪ 41 00:02:53,047 --> 00:02:55,633 KEVIN: And he'd written a New York Magazine article 42 00:02:55,717 --> 00:02:58,386 called "Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night." 43 00:02:58,469 --> 00:03:00,847 ♪ Boogie no more... ♪ 44 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:03,600 KEVIN: It was an incredible story 45 00:03:03,683 --> 00:03:07,103 about a kid growing up in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, 46 00:03:07,186 --> 00:03:09,022 and the part of his life that comes alive 47 00:03:09,105 --> 00:03:11,816 with his dreams, which is on the dance floor. 48 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:14,903 For me, 49 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:18,907 what made it stand out was I totally got this character. 50 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:22,201 He was like somebody that I could have known growing up. 51 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:25,914 There were a lot of kids I'd gone to school with who, 52 00:03:25,997 --> 00:03:27,832 what they lived for was Saturday night, 53 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:29,959 and how they looked, and how they danced, 54 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:32,128 and how other people thought about them. 55 00:03:32,211 --> 00:03:36,299 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 56 00:03:36,382 --> 00:03:38,468 FREDDIE GERSHON: I don't know if Robert actually just read 57 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:42,055 the story, or if Kevin said, "You ought to read this," 58 00:03:42,138 --> 00:03:44,682 but Robert's the one who called me. 59 00:03:46,684 --> 00:03:48,853 It was 4th of July weekend, I believe. 60 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:52,523 It was like two weeks after the article had come out. 61 00:03:52,607 --> 00:03:54,108 And I said, "It was fascinating, wasn't it?" 62 00:03:54,192 --> 00:03:55,568 And he said, "Yes, it was fascinating." 63 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:56,736 "Do you see what I see?" 64 00:03:56,819 --> 00:03:58,321 I said, "I don't know what you see." 65 00:03:58,404 --> 00:04:02,367 He said, "This is a hundred-million-dollar movie." 66 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:08,915 KEVIN: When we got the article, Robert's first thought was, 67 00:04:08,998 --> 00:04:11,626 "This could be John's first picture." 68 00:04:11,709 --> 00:04:16,798 And we sent it on to John, and John said, "I'm in." 69 00:04:16,881 --> 00:04:23,096 ♪ (“STAYIN' ALIVE” BY THE BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 70 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:32,689 ♪ Well, you can tell By the way I use my walk ♪ 71 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:35,274 ♪ I'm a woman's man No time to talk... ♪ 72 00:04:35,358 --> 00:04:36,985 NIK COHN: If anybody else had bought 73 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:39,487 that little magazine story I had written, 74 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:42,907 any other producer, Fever would not have happened. 75 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:45,118 We wouldn't be talking about it now. 76 00:04:45,201 --> 00:04:46,828 ♪ We can try to understand ♪ 77 00:04:46,911 --> 00:04:49,288 ♪ The New York Times' effect On man... ♪ 78 00:04:50,456 --> 00:04:54,002 NIK: When they bought that story, Robert said to me, 79 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:56,045 "I smell something real here." 80 00:04:57,296 --> 00:04:59,549 He existed by sense of smell. 81 00:04:59,632 --> 00:05:02,760 To say he had a wonderful sense of smell. 82 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:06,389 You just get the sense of, you know, you put that there, 83 00:05:06,472 --> 00:05:08,599 and that there, and that there, 84 00:05:09,434 --> 00:05:12,311 and they might work together. 85 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:15,189 ♪ (“THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT” BY THE WHO PLAYING) ♪ 86 00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:20,945 ♪ I don't mind other guys Dancing with my girl ♪ 87 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:28,077 ♪ That's fine, I know them All pretty well ♪ 88 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:30,747 ♪ But I know sometimes... ♪ 89 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,665 REPORTER: In the last five years, Robert Stigwood, 90 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:36,419 a diffident, awkward Australian who shambled into a fortune 91 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:37,962 on the other side of the world, 92 00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:40,757 has become the entertainment industry's newest 93 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:42,800 and most unexpected tycoon. 94 00:05:43,843 --> 00:05:46,220 Stigwood is 37, a millionaire, 95 00:05:46,304 --> 00:05:48,222 and one of the world's biggest owners 96 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:51,184 and manipulators of other people's talents. 97 00:05:54,979 --> 00:05:57,607 You don't personally come across as somebody with immense drive 98 00:05:57,690 --> 00:06:00,485 or tremendous, abrasive cutting edge or anything like that. 99 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:03,237 You strike me rather as a rather shy person. 100 00:06:03,321 --> 00:06:09,077 Yes, but drive, I think, comes from, uh, inside oneself. 101 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,621 ♪ Better leave her behind ♪ 102 00:06:11,704 --> 00:06:13,664 ♪ With the kids They're all right ♪ 103 00:06:13,748 --> 00:06:16,084 BOB ADCOCK: I first met Robert when I was a tour manager 104 00:06:16,167 --> 00:06:20,505 with a band called The Merseys, and that would have been '66. 105 00:06:20,588 --> 00:06:23,424 And he was the agent for the Merseys and the Who. 106 00:06:23,508 --> 00:06:29,222 ♪ ...be a lot better for her I don't mind other guys... ♪ 107 00:06:29,305 --> 00:06:33,810 BOB: And when Cream formed, Robert was their manager. 108 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:36,312 And he called me to hook up with Cream. 109 00:06:36,395 --> 00:06:40,316 ♪ ...Sometimes I must get out In the light... ♪ 110 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:42,735 BOB: Robert's reputation was a good one. 111 00:06:42,819 --> 00:06:45,404 He conducted business ruthlessly, 112 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:47,949 but on behalf of his artists. 113 00:06:48,032 --> 00:06:52,787 ♪ The kids are all right ♪ 114 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:57,750 I'm speaking to you from a club in, uh... 115 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:00,545 in Hamburg, and I'm Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees. 116 00:07:00,628 --> 00:07:03,589 Robin, here. Robin, we've heard rumors that the group is splitting up. 117 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:05,216 Would you like to verify those rumors? 118 00:07:05,299 --> 00:07:08,970 If I was to say that was true, then I would be the Premier of Russia. 119 00:07:09,053 --> 00:07:10,346 No. No. 120 00:07:10,429 --> 00:07:12,515 -♪ (EARLY ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(CROWD CHEERING) 121 00:07:12,598 --> 00:07:14,350 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, would you meet 122 00:07:14,433 --> 00:07:17,687 Robert Stigwood and Barry, Robin, and Maurice, 123 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:21,190 -The Bee Gees! -(CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 124 00:07:28,364 --> 00:07:30,908 MERV GRIFFIN: Do you all remember your first meeting? 125 00:07:30,992 --> 00:07:33,828 Somebody sent you a tape of these boys from Australia? 126 00:07:33,911 --> 00:07:36,289 -Yes, they did. -(ALL LAUGH) 127 00:07:37,498 --> 00:07:41,878 And I heard it and I was absolutely astounded, 128 00:07:41,961 --> 00:07:44,213 it was the most brilliant harmony, singing, 129 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:46,048 and composing I had ever heard. 130 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:48,092 MERV: Did you make them audition for you live? 131 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:49,802 -(CROSSTALK) -I'm afraid I did. 132 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:54,140 He came in, aided by two men... (LAUGHS) ...holding each arm. 133 00:07:54,223 --> 00:07:56,434 -MERV: Good heavens. Hmm. -He had a hangover like you wouldn't believe. 134 00:07:56,517 --> 00:07:58,060 -(ROBERT GRUNTING) -He sat down in front of us... 135 00:07:58,144 --> 00:07:59,854 -(LAUGHS) -MAURICE: Don't worry, Robin. This is 11 years ago. 136 00:07:59,937 --> 00:08:01,856 BARRY: ...and put his head like this, you know, and said, "Carry on." 137 00:08:01,939 --> 00:08:05,651 So we did what we had worked up, which-- In Australia, where we had a nightclub act, 138 00:08:05,735 --> 00:08:08,487 and our act was a medley of Peter, Paul, and Mary songs, 139 00:08:08,571 --> 00:08:09,947 ending with Maurice kissing Robin. 140 00:08:10,031 --> 00:08:11,866 -MAURICE: This was a long time ago, folks. -(ALL LAUGHING) 141 00:08:11,949 --> 00:08:13,409 In those days. 142 00:08:13,492 --> 00:08:15,244 -(CROSSTALK) -I am straightened out now. 143 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:17,622 -(ROBERT LAUGHING) -He never saw a minute of it, 144 00:08:17,705 --> 00:08:18,831 he heard something and said, 145 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:20,208 "Come and see me in my office later on," 146 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:22,043 -and staggered out again. -ROBIN: But we later discovered 147 00:08:22,126 --> 00:08:23,711 that he didn't have a hangover at all. 148 00:08:23,794 --> 00:08:25,588 -(LAUGHS) -He just couldn't stand what he was hearing. 149 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:26,964 (ALL LAUGHING) 150 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:29,508 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 151 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:31,761 ROBERT: It didn't take a genius to know 152 00:08:31,844 --> 00:08:35,056 that one had an incredible new, exciting talent, 153 00:08:35,139 --> 00:08:38,226 and I signed the record deal for them. 154 00:08:57,119 --> 00:08:59,372 BILL OAKES: I was actually on the payroll of the Beatles, 155 00:08:59,455 --> 00:09:01,540 which was a company called Beatles & Co. 156 00:09:01,624 --> 00:09:04,126 I was just 17, I was a dogsbody, 157 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,837 I was the guy that got the fleas out of Paul McCartney's dog, 158 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:10,132 I can't claim that-- You know, it wasn't a great career start, 159 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:12,218 but it got me to meet people, 160 00:09:12,301 --> 00:09:14,178 and that's how I met Robert Stigwood. 161 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:17,431 KEVIN: Stigwood was working with Brian Epstein. 162 00:09:17,515 --> 00:09:19,809 Brian had sort of hit a place in his life 163 00:09:19,892 --> 00:09:22,186 where he wasn't sure how much longer he wanted to manage, 164 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:25,064 and obviously the Beatles were the biggest thing 165 00:09:25,147 --> 00:09:27,108 ever, ever, ever. 166 00:09:27,191 --> 00:09:28,609 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 167 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:30,486 BILL: Brian Epstein was fed up with managing. 168 00:09:30,569 --> 00:09:32,280 He wanted to manage a bullfighter, as I remember, 169 00:09:32,363 --> 00:09:34,073 and the Beatles were going their own way, 170 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:37,827 so Robert was brought in really to run the company. 171 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:39,620 ROBERT: I became Joint Managing Director 172 00:09:39,704 --> 00:09:41,998 of NEMS on Brian's invitation. 173 00:09:42,081 --> 00:09:44,208 With Brian looking after the Beatles, 174 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:46,252 and with me really administrating 175 00:09:46,335 --> 00:09:48,004 and running the business. 176 00:09:49,588 --> 00:09:51,882 JAMES DAYLEY: Robert was in negotiations with Brian 177 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:54,176 to take over as the Beatles' manager. 178 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:57,847 ROBERT: If I paid him half a million pounds, 179 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:02,143 I would control the company, including the Beatles. 180 00:10:02,226 --> 00:10:03,894 KEVIN: The Beatles didn't know about it, 181 00:10:03,978 --> 00:10:05,688 and they didn't like him. 182 00:10:05,771 --> 00:10:09,150 And they certainly didn't like the Bee Gees. 183 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:11,360 PAUL MCCARTNEY: We said, "Well, let's just get this straight." 184 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:13,612 "We are not going to be sold to anyone." 185 00:10:13,696 --> 00:10:17,700 If you-- You can continue to manage us, we love you. 186 00:10:17,783 --> 00:10:20,703 We're not going to be sold. We said in fact, if you do, 187 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:23,706 we will record "God Save the Queen" 188 00:10:23,789 --> 00:10:26,500 for every single record we make from now on, 189 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:28,544 and we'll sing it out of tune. 190 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:33,549 JAMES: Robert finally-- The way he explained it to me 191 00:10:33,632 --> 00:10:34,842 was he said to the Beatles, 192 00:10:34,925 --> 00:10:36,427 he said, "You know, we've kind of ruined 193 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:38,095 our work relationship with each other, 194 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:41,140 so why don't you guys do your thing and I'll do mine?" 195 00:10:41,223 --> 00:10:44,101 And Robert took his artists, the Bee Gees, Clapton. 196 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:46,896 KEVIN: And they said, "You can go and take the Bee Gees with you." 197 00:10:46,979 --> 00:10:49,815 And he started his own company. 198 00:10:49,899 --> 00:10:56,197 ♪ (“I GUESS THE LORD MUST BE IN NEW YORK CITY” BY HARRY NILSSON PLAYING) ♪ 199 00:10:57,531 --> 00:11:01,410 ♪ I'll say goodbye To all my sorrow ♪ 200 00:11:01,494 --> 00:11:08,793 ♪ And by tomorrow I'll be on my way ♪ 201 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:16,050 ♪ I guess the Lord must be In New York City ♪ 202 00:11:20,554 --> 00:11:22,890 ♪ I'm so tired of getting... ♪ 203 00:11:22,973 --> 00:11:24,600 BILL: I got word that Robert Stigwood 204 00:11:24,683 --> 00:11:27,186 was starting a company in New York. 205 00:11:27,269 --> 00:11:29,480 And I just leapt at it. 206 00:11:29,563 --> 00:11:31,899 This was a chance to sort of build his empire. 207 00:11:31,982 --> 00:11:33,734 ♪ I guess the Lord must be... ♪ 208 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:36,195 BILL: And his attack on America was spearheaded 209 00:11:36,278 --> 00:11:37,738 by Jesus Christ Superstar. 210 00:11:40,282 --> 00:11:43,786 ♪ Well, here I am, Lord Knockin' at your back door... ♪ 211 00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:45,830 TIM RICE: When we were doing the Superstar album, 212 00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:49,083 before it was a show, Robert got in touch with us, 213 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:52,294 and Robert definitely knew what he was doing. 214 00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:55,131 I mean, a lot of people had turned us down. 215 00:11:55,214 --> 00:11:57,550 I mean, I think we always hoped it would become a show, 216 00:11:57,633 --> 00:11:59,135 but, I mean, we had a number one album 217 00:11:59,218 --> 00:12:01,053 in America, which was a great thrill for us. 218 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:02,513 In a way, if nothing else had happened, 219 00:12:02,596 --> 00:12:04,140 we might have thought, "Well, great, 220 00:12:04,223 --> 00:12:05,474 we did better than we thought." 221 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:07,351 But Robert was the sort of person 222 00:12:07,435 --> 00:12:10,020 who could see beyond a hit record. 223 00:12:10,896 --> 00:12:12,481 He thought super big... 224 00:12:13,691 --> 00:12:16,152 and his timing was fortuitous. 225 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:18,612 He was lucky to be around when he was. 226 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:21,157 ♪ (“BORN ON THE BAYOU” BY CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL PLAYING) ♪ 227 00:12:26,954 --> 00:12:30,499 (SINGING) ♪ Now, when I was Just a little boy... ♪ 228 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,169 KEVIN: From Woodstock on, 229 00:12:33,252 --> 00:12:35,421 Hollywood was totally in transition. 230 00:12:35,504 --> 00:12:37,131 ♪ My Papa said, "Son"... ♪ 231 00:12:37,214 --> 00:12:40,009 KEVIN: Part of it was that young people had other choices. 232 00:12:40,092 --> 00:12:43,012 They had the choice of how they wanted to spend their time. 233 00:12:43,095 --> 00:12:44,305 Did they want to go to concerts? 234 00:12:44,388 --> 00:12:45,890 Did they want to listen to music? 235 00:12:47,766 --> 00:12:51,228 And the movie business had realized it had to change, 236 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:53,022 to try to become relevant. 237 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:58,903 ♪ (“BORN TO BE WILD” BY STEPPENWOLF PLAYING) ♪ 238 00:13:00,779 --> 00:13:05,451 KEVIN: They started to use music to illustrate a movie. 239 00:13:05,534 --> 00:13:08,621 Easy Rider becomes sort of a snapshot 240 00:13:08,704 --> 00:13:10,456 of that particular moment. 241 00:13:11,707 --> 00:13:14,376 ♪ (“MRS. ROBINSON” BY SIMON & GARFUNKEL PLAYING) ♪ 242 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:16,378 KEVIN: Or The Graduate. 243 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:23,219 It was, "What can you provide that feels relevant and urgent?" 244 00:13:28,224 --> 00:13:30,100 How do you guys get to being a Secret Service man? 245 00:13:30,184 --> 00:13:33,354 KEVIN: It's why you see all these fantastic filmmakers, 246 00:13:33,437 --> 00:13:35,689 you know, like Scorsese, Taxi Driver. 247 00:13:35,773 --> 00:13:36,732 (GUNSHOT) 248 00:13:36,815 --> 00:13:38,859 NARRATOR: It was a dog day afternoon. 249 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:41,529 KEVIN: Sidney Lumet. Francis Ford Coppola. 250 00:13:41,612 --> 00:13:44,740 Steven Spielberg. George Lucas. 251 00:13:44,823 --> 00:13:47,201 There were just all of these voices, 252 00:13:47,284 --> 00:13:49,370 making really signature films, 253 00:13:49,453 --> 00:13:54,917 and getting to make them without handcuffs, creatively. 254 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,545 You're looking for things that you wouldn't have thought 255 00:13:57,628 --> 00:14:00,089 would have worked as a movie before. 256 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:02,758 Because you were reaching a new audience. 257 00:14:02,841 --> 00:14:06,887 WOMEN: (SINGING) ♪ Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ ♪ 258 00:14:06,971 --> 00:14:09,932 ♪ Who are you? What have you sacrificed... ♪ 259 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:13,435 KEVIN: And so for Robert, these were the things that he understood. 260 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:14,895 He had a great vision 261 00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:17,022 of how things could work together. 262 00:14:17,106 --> 00:14:20,234 And he helped these guys build Jesus Christ Superstar 263 00:14:20,317 --> 00:14:22,111 into a worldwide phenomenon. 264 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:24,238 BILL: He put together a concert tour, 265 00:14:24,321 --> 00:14:26,532 and then the Broadway show, and then the film. 266 00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:37,543 (SINGING) ♪ Tell me what you think About your friends... ♪ 267 00:14:37,626 --> 00:14:39,253 INTERVIEWER: There's been quite a bit of criticism 268 00:14:39,336 --> 00:14:41,463 from the religious sections of society. 269 00:14:41,547 --> 00:14:42,840 How do you feel about this? 270 00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:46,302 It's a free world, you know? 271 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:48,929 Let everybody say what they like about anything. 272 00:14:50,055 --> 00:14:52,182 ♪ I only want to know ♪ 273 00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:58,355 ♪ (“PINBALL WIZARD” BY THE WHO PLAYING) ♪ 274 00:15:03,152 --> 00:15:04,862 (SINGING) ♪ Ever since I was a young boy ♪ 275 00:15:04,945 --> 00:15:06,238 ♪ I've played The silver ball... ♪ 276 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:08,782 KEVIN: People had wanted to make a movie of Tommy 277 00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:11,577 for many years, and the guys would never give 'em the rights. 278 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:14,580 And what they knew with Robert was, 279 00:15:14,663 --> 00:15:17,833 Robert understood music, and so they felt looked after. 280 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:22,504 Robert got Jack Nicholson, 281 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:24,340 just as a lark, to come in for three days, 282 00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:26,634 and Ann-Margaret and Tina Turner, 283 00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:28,844 like, right after she left Ike, 284 00:15:28,927 --> 00:15:32,306 and she thought Robert was just her savior. 285 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:34,642 ♪ Always playing clean He plays by... ♪ 286 00:15:34,725 --> 00:15:36,518 JAMES: My first official function 287 00:15:36,602 --> 00:15:37,936 with the Stigwood Organization 288 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,314 was the opening of the movie Tommy. 289 00:15:40,397 --> 00:15:43,150 The movie opened at the Ziegfeld Theatre 290 00:15:43,233 --> 00:15:46,403 and then everybody walked to the subway station 291 00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:47,613 on a red carpet. 292 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:49,823 Robert had taken it over. 293 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:53,744 ♪ He's a pinball wizard There has to be a twist ♪ 294 00:15:53,827 --> 00:15:55,037 ♪ A pinball wizard's... ♪ 295 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,539 JAMES: The following morning, all of these celebrities 296 00:15:57,623 --> 00:15:59,792 flew from the opening in New York 297 00:15:59,875 --> 00:16:02,211 to Los Angeles for the television program 298 00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:03,754 that was a 90-minute special. 299 00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:06,173 NEWSCASTER: Army Archerd is greeting the celebrities 300 00:16:06,256 --> 00:16:08,717 as they arrive, thronging into the foyer, 301 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:11,929 for the premiere performance, right here, of Tommy. 302 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:14,098 It's like an old Hollywood premiere. 303 00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:16,684 Well, it's a new Hollywood premiere. 304 00:16:19,478 --> 00:16:22,439 BOB: I think Robert was more into show business than music. 305 00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:26,527 The showbiz side of it, that's what he excelled at. 306 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:30,864 TIM: He covered concerts, records, stage, film, 307 00:16:30,948 --> 00:16:32,533 he was good at it all. 308 00:16:32,616 --> 00:16:34,993 Plus, he was a good impresario. 309 00:16:35,786 --> 00:16:37,121 ♪ He can beat my best ♪ 310 00:16:37,204 --> 00:16:40,708 ♪ His disciples lead him in And he just does the rest... ♪ 311 00:16:40,791 --> 00:16:44,586 ROBERT: I'm a gambler. I act instinctively. 312 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:46,714 You have to know what people want, 313 00:16:46,797 --> 00:16:49,591 and I suppose I'm fairly tuned in to that. 314 00:16:53,721 --> 00:16:57,349 KEVIN: Robert really understood the synthesis of movies, 315 00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:59,852 music, and storytelling. 316 00:16:59,935 --> 00:17:02,980 He was always looking for where trends were going, 317 00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:06,650 and had such a great nose for what works. 318 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:08,861 NEWSCASTER: You have to go all the way back to Elvis Presley, 319 00:17:08,944 --> 00:17:10,404 to the Beatles, to rock and roll, 320 00:17:10,487 --> 00:17:12,448 and then finally comes disco. 321 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:16,160 A very large, very lucrative new business of dance music, 322 00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:17,995 maybe the biggest wave yet. 323 00:17:18,078 --> 00:17:20,080 'Cause it certainly seems that more and more Americans 324 00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:23,292 are getting more and more into the disco scene. 325 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:27,129 ♪ (“NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE” BY GLORIA GAYNOR PLAYING) ♪ 326 00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:32,551 ♪ I never can say goodbye ♪ 327 00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:36,764 ♪ No, no, no, I I never can say... ♪ 328 00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:41,059 NIK: When I came over to America in the early '70s, 329 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:44,104 New York Magazine hired me to write about music. 330 00:17:44,188 --> 00:17:46,482 ♪ ...had enough And start heading... ♪ 331 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:48,734 NIK: It was the beginning of disco. 332 00:17:48,817 --> 00:17:52,696 Disco was essentially gay music, and Black gay music. 333 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:55,741 But it was inclusive, it was all-inclusive. 334 00:17:57,034 --> 00:18:00,454 ♪ It's that same Old dizzy hang-up... ♪ 335 00:18:00,537 --> 00:18:03,290 NILE RODGERS: In the '70s, I was living in New York. 336 00:18:03,373 --> 00:18:07,294 We were into jazz, and we thought our world was the hippest. 337 00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:09,505 One night I went out with my girlfriend, 338 00:18:09,588 --> 00:18:11,173 and we went to a disco. 339 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:15,093 ♪ I don't wanna let you go... ♪ 340 00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:16,345 NILE: And we just couldn't believe 341 00:18:16,428 --> 00:18:19,097 that there was this whole other, really hip world. 342 00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:22,601 ♪ Ooh, ooh, baby... ♪ 343 00:18:22,684 --> 00:18:24,645 NILE: The crowd was such a disparate crowd. 344 00:18:24,728 --> 00:18:28,857 It was Latino, Black, gay, straight, 345 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:32,194 but the fact is, is that everybody treated us with love. 346 00:18:33,403 --> 00:18:34,488 In the Black Panthers, 347 00:18:34,571 --> 00:18:36,949 we used to call that "Liberated territory." 348 00:18:37,032 --> 00:18:38,659 And that's what a disco felt like, 349 00:18:38,742 --> 00:18:40,327 it was '"Liberated territory." 350 00:18:42,162 --> 00:18:45,916 ♪ (“CHANGES” BY SYLVESTER PLAYING) ♪ 351 00:18:49,002 --> 00:18:52,381 PATRICK BYWALSKI: Robert used to make numerous trips to Paris. 352 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:55,300 I'm talking about '71, '72. 353 00:18:55,384 --> 00:18:57,427 Going to discotheques on the Left Bank. 354 00:18:58,345 --> 00:18:59,429 It was the place where 355 00:18:59,513 --> 00:19:01,265 gay people used to meet and dance. 356 00:19:01,348 --> 00:19:04,852 ♪ Changes Oh, yes I am... ♪ 357 00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:09,022 PATRICK: He used to love people taking enhancing stuff, 358 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:11,942 you know, to be able to enjoy the music 359 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:14,403 and to experiment with their bodies 360 00:19:14,486 --> 00:19:15,612 on the dance floor. 361 00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:19,533 Things that men wouldn't do before that, I think. 362 00:19:19,616 --> 00:19:21,285 ♪ No more bridges shall... ♪ 363 00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:24,705 JAMES: Robert was-- How did they put it in Britain? They-- 364 00:19:24,788 --> 00:19:26,206 He was a "confirmed bachelor." 365 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:27,499 ♪ ...going through... ♪ 366 00:19:27,583 --> 00:19:30,377 PATRICK: England, I mean, it wasn't the place to be gay, 367 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:33,422 if I may say so, because it was outlawed. 368 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:34,798 ♪ ...going through... ♪ 369 00:19:34,882 --> 00:19:37,676 RICHARD GOLDSTEIN: In the '60s, it was a very harsh environment. 370 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,972 You could be fired, disgraced, your family kick you out. 371 00:19:44,057 --> 00:19:45,559 So, for gay people, 372 00:19:45,642 --> 00:19:48,312 dancing, with someone of your own sex, 373 00:19:48,395 --> 00:19:51,231 that is a real emblem of liberation. 374 00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:55,402 ♪ Changes, changes, changes ♪ 375 00:19:55,485 --> 00:19:57,487 FREDDIE GERSHON: Before there was ever a Saturday Night Fever, 376 00:19:57,571 --> 00:20:02,034 before the disco craze, Robert got it. 377 00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:06,496 He saw that it was a new phenomena 378 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:08,707 taking over the world. 379 00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:10,584 MURRAY THE K: Hi, I'm Murray the K. 380 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:11,710 Murray the K's Hustle 381 00:20:11,793 --> 00:20:13,879 is now Murray the K's Hustle C'est La Vie. 382 00:20:13,962 --> 00:20:16,256 ♪ (“THE HUSTLE” BY VAN MCCOY & THE SOUL CITY SYMPHONY PLAYING) ♪ 383 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:17,507 ♪ Do the hustle ♪ 384 00:20:17,591 --> 00:20:19,176 ♪ Do the hustle ♪ 385 00:20:20,677 --> 00:20:25,557 NIK: After "The Hustle," suddenly disco was mainstream. 386 00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:28,310 You had secretaries and ordinary guys 387 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:30,729 going up to hustle class. 388 00:20:30,812 --> 00:20:34,900 There were these hustle contests and disco dance contests 389 00:20:34,983 --> 00:20:38,612 all over the straightest parts of New York. 390 00:20:38,695 --> 00:20:42,324 I went to one and I met a great, great dancer 391 00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:43,867 called Tu Sweet Allen. 392 00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:48,080 And I wrote an article about him in New York Magazine. 393 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,707 Tu Sweet mentioned that 394 00:20:50,791 --> 00:20:54,044 there were these Italian clubs in Brooklyn 395 00:20:54,127 --> 00:20:55,253 that were the opposite 396 00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:58,632 from what I thought of as disco culture. 397 00:20:58,715 --> 00:21:00,717 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 398 00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:03,804 NIK: And so, he and I went out there. 399 00:21:06,056 --> 00:21:08,517 It was very, very forlorn in those days. 400 00:21:11,061 --> 00:21:14,773 Bay Ridge, around the clubs, was a desert. 401 00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:17,985 Locked-up body shops. 402 00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:24,449 Bay Ridge was this sort of bastion of Italian life. 403 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:29,663 It was tribal. Everybody was Italian. 404 00:21:34,501 --> 00:21:38,213 So we get out to one of these Italian clubs... 405 00:21:39,172 --> 00:21:40,215 and we walked in, 406 00:21:40,298 --> 00:21:42,592 and Tu Sweet went on the dance floor. 407 00:21:42,676 --> 00:21:47,556 And I would say three seconds, he was jumped on and pounded. 408 00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:50,726 We were out of there in 25 seconds. 409 00:21:50,809 --> 00:21:52,894 And this wasn't just a sort of stern warning. 410 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:54,479 This was a beatdown. 411 00:21:56,565 --> 00:21:58,275 It was the a hundred and eighty 412 00:21:58,358 --> 00:22:02,029 from the original Manhattan clubs. 413 00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:08,035 They were misogynist, they were anti-gay, 414 00:22:08,118 --> 00:22:10,078 by God, they were anti-Black. 415 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:18,503 JIM MCMULLAN: I was an illustrator 416 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:20,047 for New York Magazine. 417 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:23,425 Nik had said there's a whole scene 418 00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:26,428 happening at clubs in Brooklyn 419 00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:29,181 that people were paying no attention to, 420 00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:31,141 so the magazine said to me, 421 00:22:31,224 --> 00:22:32,559 "I think it'd be really interesting 422 00:22:32,642 --> 00:22:36,146 if you went out with him and took a camera, look around, 423 00:22:36,229 --> 00:22:37,606 see what you can do." 424 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:39,608 ♪ (“THAT'S WHERE THE HAPPY PEOPLE GO” BY THE TRAMMPS PLAYING) ♪ 425 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:43,028 JIM: So we went back to this converted 426 00:22:43,111 --> 00:22:46,907 sort of supper club called the 2001 Club. 427 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:56,583 ♪ I used to spend Most of my time ♪ 428 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:59,961 ♪ Just being alone, yes, I did ♪ 429 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:03,965 ♪ Nothing to do No place to go... ♪ 430 00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:06,134 JIM: The club was kind of corny, 431 00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:09,930 with these wrought iron balconies and stuff, 432 00:23:10,013 --> 00:23:11,056 which is not to knock it, 433 00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:13,683 because it had a great sort of funky charm. 434 00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:16,019 ♪ ...to live a little myself ♪ 435 00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:19,773 ♪ So I went on down To the disco ♪ 436 00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:21,566 ♪ Disco... ♪ 437 00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:23,777 RALPHIE DEE: Odyssey wasn't the most elegant place. 438 00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:25,445 (LAUGHING) Put it that way. 439 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:28,448 But what was good about it, they would always have groups, 440 00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:31,243 you know, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, 441 00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:33,578 -the Joneses. -♪ ...disco... ♪ 442 00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:38,708 ALEX MARCHAK: Every disco group they had there 443 00:23:38,792 --> 00:23:40,919 on a Friday night or Saturday night, 444 00:23:41,002 --> 00:23:43,463 Gloria Gaynor, The Trammps. 445 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:46,508 ♪ And they're just dancing along To a perfect song... ♪ 446 00:23:46,591 --> 00:23:48,009 EARL YOUNG: That was our home club, 447 00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:49,177 2001 Odyssey. 448 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:53,682 In Brooklyn, that was one of the most popular clubs there. 449 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,851 We worked there all the time. 450 00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:57,853 I mean, we were really well-liked, 451 00:23:57,936 --> 00:23:59,563 but I mean, we didn't come to socialize, 452 00:23:59,646 --> 00:24:01,606 we come there to work, it's our job. 453 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:03,984 At that time, I don't even think 454 00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:05,986 Blacks were even allowed in the neighborhood, 455 00:24:06,069 --> 00:24:07,654 'cause it was an Italian neighborhood. 456 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:10,699 ♪ ...I got myself together ♪ 457 00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:13,201 ♪ I danced my blues away They're gone forever... ♪ 458 00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:14,744 ELIZABETH CURCIO: It was very Italian. 459 00:24:14,828 --> 00:24:19,166 The boys were called cugines. "The cugine in the car." 460 00:24:19,249 --> 00:24:22,794 Italian guy with the blown back DA haircut 461 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:25,463 in their daddy's Cadillac, which was very popular, 462 00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:27,716 or maybe a Monte Carlo then. 463 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,635 And had a certain look that they all feeded into. 464 00:24:30,719 --> 00:24:33,513 The gabardine pants, the huckapoo shirts. 465 00:24:33,597 --> 00:24:37,267 ♪ That's where The happy people go ♪ 466 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:39,686 ♪ And they're Just dancing along... ♪ 467 00:24:41,271 --> 00:24:44,024 ♪ (CALM MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 468 00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:46,985 JIM: When I got my photographs back, 469 00:24:47,068 --> 00:24:51,865 there was so much nuance that was somewhat concealed 470 00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:54,576 in the dim light of the club. 471 00:24:54,659 --> 00:25:00,707 Nuances of expression, of anger, hostility, sadness even. 472 00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:04,586 Girls that got left 473 00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:06,755 and were sitting in their booths alone, 474 00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:08,715 while everybody else danced. 475 00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:13,053 Guys looking for clues as to how they should behave. 476 00:25:13,136 --> 00:25:17,891 You could really see them assemble in a hierarchy. 477 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:27,317 NIK: What I'd tapped into was that eternal dreaming. 478 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,779 Someone who is trapped, whose life is going nowhere. 479 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:34,282 And who, Saturday night rolls around, 480 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,368 has this dream come true. 481 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:39,704 It was something I'd seen 482 00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,748 where I grew up in Northern Ireland. 483 00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:45,543 Catholic teenagers, who had no outlet, 484 00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:48,797 and nowhere to go, dressed as Teddy Boys, 485 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,341 dancing on the sidewalk to "Tutti Frutti" 486 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:52,676 by Little Richard. 487 00:25:54,844 --> 00:25:58,306 When I went to London in the early '60s, 488 00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:59,808 and Mods were just starting, 489 00:25:59,891 --> 00:26:03,395 and I'd see them work nine-to-five in a grunt job, 490 00:26:03,478 --> 00:26:06,022 and yet you were King Mod on the weekend. 491 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,111 I fell in love with the idea of the alternate reality. 492 00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:15,824 And you'd watch all the rites and how they interacted. 493 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:19,828 This extraordinary vanity. 494 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:25,542 This male, teen thing of preening, of peacockery. 495 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:31,881 So when I walked into 2001, 496 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:34,467 I didn't think, "This is a specific culture." 497 00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:37,053 I just thought, "Here it is again." 498 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,853 -♪ (PEACEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(TYPEWRITER KEYS CLACKING) 499 00:27:23,058 --> 00:27:24,893 BILL: New York Magazine called it the "Tribal Rites 500 00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,478 of the New Saturday Night," 501 00:27:26,561 --> 00:27:28,480 which was a rather pretentious title. 502 00:27:34,694 --> 00:27:38,323 NIK: When the article came out, Robert called me up. 503 00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:40,492 ROBERT: I said, "You have a movie here already." 504 00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,620 I said, "Come to my apartment this afternoon." 505 00:27:43,703 --> 00:27:46,206 NIK: Robert said, "Come around for tea." 506 00:27:46,289 --> 00:27:49,292 I think he was attracted to the street feel. 507 00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:51,836 I mean, that's where he would have smelled something real. 508 00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:57,384 ROBERT: My next film is a story about 509 00:27:57,467 --> 00:28:00,845 a ghetto called Bay Ridge in Brooklyn 510 00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:03,723 and Italian kids in dead-end jobs, 511 00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:06,559 and how far away Manhattan is. 512 00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:10,897 And a young guy who discovers himself. 513 00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:13,149 It's much more exciting than I tell it. 514 00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:17,654 FREDDIE: Robert did not know who would direct it. 515 00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:18,988 He didn't know how it would be cast. 516 00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:20,532 He didn't know what the script would be. 517 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:23,451 He just knew the skeletal bones 518 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:27,080 of a fabulous story, which had global appeal, 519 00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:30,083 was right there in that New York Magazine. 520 00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:34,337 BILL: That was where Robert was really inspired. 521 00:28:34,421 --> 00:28:36,047 He could see a magazine article like that, 522 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,465 and he could see the whole thing. 523 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:38,967 He said, "This is a movie." 524 00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:44,389 And Robert saw the soundtrack as being the killer ingredient. 525 00:28:44,472 --> 00:28:47,267 FREDDIE: Robert believed that the movie had to have... 526 00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:48,601 (TAPPING RHYTHMICALLY) 527 00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:51,896 ...that rhythm. The same rhythm you heard in a discotheque. 528 00:28:53,731 --> 00:28:55,358 BILL: And right away, he said, "We're gonna get 529 00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:56,943 the Bee Gees to write the music." 530 00:28:58,486 --> 00:29:02,574 At the time, the Bee Gees had a couple of bad years. 531 00:29:02,657 --> 00:29:05,118 There were probably two albums that I was involved in, 532 00:29:05,201 --> 00:29:06,411 Life in a Tin Can, I remember, 533 00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:09,122 one was Mr. Natural, that no one bought. 534 00:29:09,205 --> 00:29:12,584 They were stiffs, as they say in the record business. 535 00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:14,794 ROBERT: I didn't feel they were really 536 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:17,297 on the right track musically. 537 00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:19,883 And this happens to stars very easily, 538 00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:24,179 they close their ears and just go their own merry way. 539 00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:25,889 And I told them so. 540 00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:28,391 I was saying, for God's sake, 541 00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:31,686 listen to what's happening in the world today. 542 00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:34,314 ♪ ("PICK UP THE PIECES" BY AVERAGE WHITE BAND PLAYING) ♪ 543 00:29:34,397 --> 00:29:37,108 BILL: And so what Robert did, which was inspired, 544 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:38,401 was he got Arif Mardin, 545 00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,653 who was the producer of Average White Band, 546 00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:42,113 to produce the next album. 547 00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:54,709 KARL RICHARDSON: Arif Mardin was a staff producer 548 00:29:54,792 --> 00:29:58,463 at Atlantic Records and would come into our studio 549 00:29:58,546 --> 00:30:01,382 in Miami with various Atlantic artists. 550 00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,348 KARL: We were working on Average White Band 551 00:30:08,431 --> 00:30:09,516 and one day he goes, 552 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:10,934 "Boy, have I got a group for you, Karl." 553 00:30:11,017 --> 00:30:13,102 He says, "They sing like angels." 554 00:30:13,186 --> 00:30:14,812 And I said to Arif, "Who's that?" 555 00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:15,980 He goes, "The Bee Gees!" 556 00:30:17,524 --> 00:30:19,692 The Bee Gees had had major hit records. 557 00:30:19,776 --> 00:30:22,237 But they'd passed through the success zone. 558 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,405 They had been sort of passed over. 559 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,535 Arif Mardin, though, was a genius. 560 00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:31,204 So he says, "Yeah, it's gonna be a little more R&B, 561 00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:32,497 a little more rhythm, you know." 562 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,082 'Cause that's what the studio was. 563 00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,795 And I said, "Well, great, let's do it." 564 00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,299 They came in, and I met their band, 565 00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:45,051 their house band. 566 00:30:45,134 --> 00:30:47,220 And I think it was about 20 minutes later, 567 00:30:47,303 --> 00:30:49,138 I knew Barry was the leader of the group, 568 00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:52,267 and we hit it off. 569 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:55,603 We all just, you know, had music in our minds. 570 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,188 ♪ (“JIVE TALKIN'” BY THE BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 571 00:30:57,272 --> 00:31:01,401 ♪ It's just your jive talkin' You're telling me lies, yeah ♪ 572 00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:05,738 ♪ Jive talkin' You wear a disguise... ♪ 573 00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:08,616 KARL: Because Atlantic Records was all about R&B. 574 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,536 Arif goes, "You know, we tried a click track at one point 575 00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:13,288 in the drummer's headphones." 576 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:15,456 He said "Karl, are you up for that?" I said, "Sure!" 577 00:31:16,624 --> 00:31:18,459 So I found a metronome hidden way back 578 00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:21,546 in the bowels of Criteria, and put a microphone on it. 579 00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:23,965 And that became a click... 580 00:31:24,048 --> 00:31:26,801 -(FINGERS SNAPPING) -♪ Oh, my child You got so much... ♪ 581 00:31:26,884 --> 00:31:30,972 ...so that the drummer would have a positive feel 582 00:31:31,055 --> 00:31:33,099 to where those beats belonged. 583 00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:35,143 (SINGING) ♪ With all your jive talkin' ♪ 584 00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:38,396 KARL: And everybody in the band heard the same click. 585 00:31:38,479 --> 00:31:41,733 So when Barry played guitar, Barry was grooving, 586 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:45,320 'cause Barry has amazingly good time. 587 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:48,531 That became a fundamental approach that we got a hold of, 588 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:50,867 was this pulse. 589 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:52,577 ROBIN GIBB: The difference in our music now and then, 590 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:56,289 is our music is completely, sort of, Black-oriented now, 591 00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:58,166 where it wasn't completely then. 592 00:31:58,249 --> 00:32:02,295 We could play this kind of music that we're doing now. 593 00:32:02,378 --> 00:32:05,173 And we daren't do it, because at that time, 594 00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:07,050 people would say, if we did it, 595 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:08,593 they wouldn't say it was the Bee Gees. 596 00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:12,930 (SINGING) ♪ There you go With your fancy lies ♪ 597 00:32:13,014 --> 00:32:17,185 ♪ Leavin' me lookin' Like a dumbstruck fool ♪ 598 00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:19,354 ♪ With all your jive talkin' ♪ 599 00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:21,314 KARL: It became one of the guiding factors 600 00:32:21,397 --> 00:32:23,066 in making a lot of those records, 601 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:24,734 was, "Where's the groove?" 602 00:32:24,817 --> 00:32:28,863 ♪ (“YOU SHOULD BE DANCING” BY THE BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 603 00:32:30,198 --> 00:32:31,824 -BARRY: You heard the lyrics? -MAURICE: Yes. 604 00:32:31,908 --> 00:32:33,034 BARRY: Great! 605 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:39,957 BARRY: Albhy, I'm ready to sing, 606 00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:41,334 got the lyrics finished! 607 00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:43,419 -Love it, you sing 'em, we play 'em, tape 'em! -All right. 608 00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:44,545 BARRY: Okay 'em. 609 00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:46,255 ♪ ...on 'til the dawn ♪ 610 00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:50,843 ♪ My woman takes me higher ♪ 611 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:53,012 ♪ My woman keeps me warm... ♪ 612 00:32:53,096 --> 00:32:54,722 ALBHY GALUTEN: The three people who were in the room 613 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:58,559 eight hours a day, were me, and Karl, and Barry. 614 00:32:59,727 --> 00:33:03,898 Barry and I loved R&B. We connected on that level. 615 00:33:03,981 --> 00:33:05,650 We were never making disco records. 616 00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:08,486 We were making R&B records with good songs. 617 00:33:08,569 --> 00:33:10,530 ♪ ...she's trouble... ♪ 618 00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:12,865 ALBHY: At that time, Barry was sort of tapped 619 00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:14,534 into the collective unconscious. 620 00:33:14,617 --> 00:33:18,037 When he'd write a new song, it wouldn't be, 621 00:33:18,121 --> 00:33:19,455 "How big of a hit will this be?" 622 00:33:19,539 --> 00:33:21,541 It would be, "How many weeks at number one?" 623 00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:25,044 ♪ What you doin' on your bed On your back? ♪ 624 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,549 KARL: Main Course, we had three number one records. 625 00:33:29,632 --> 00:33:32,427 ♪ Dancing, yeah... ♪ 626 00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:34,262 KARL: When we did "You Should Be Dancing" 627 00:33:34,345 --> 00:33:35,596 off Children of the World, 628 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,266 Stigwood came in the studio, and he got the vibe, 629 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:41,102 he says "Oh, my gosh, this is a hit record!" 630 00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:42,520 He could just feel it. 631 00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:48,735 (CROWD CHEERING) 632 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,112 BILL: Robert took advantage of a form of music 633 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:53,573 that was all there, and he handed it 634 00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:54,741 to the Bee Gees. 635 00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:00,037 So when Saturday Night Fever comes about, 636 00:34:00,121 --> 00:34:02,665 the Bee Gees weren't exactly rookies at this. 637 00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:08,254 At the time, they were mixing a live album in France. 638 00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:09,505 Robert said, "Do you have any songs?" 639 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:10,840 And they said, "Yeah, we've got a few, 640 00:34:10,923 --> 00:34:13,426 but we're going to keep them for our own next album." 641 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:15,970 So, I sent the script to them, 642 00:34:16,053 --> 00:34:17,472 you know, thinking they'd like to read it, 643 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:19,682 which was a mistake, they never read the script. 644 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,434 But about ten days later, 645 00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:24,187 I got a package from northern France, 646 00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:27,356 and these songs came piling out, one after the other. 647 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,275 ♪ Oh, girl, I've known you Very well ♪ 648 00:34:29,358 --> 00:34:30,943 BILL: "More Than a Woman," "Night Fever..." 649 00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:35,281 ♪ (“NIGHT FEVER” BY THE BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 650 00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:36,616 BILL: "If I Can't Have You..." 651 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:39,452 ♪ (“IF I CAN'T HAVE YOU” BY THE BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 652 00:34:39,535 --> 00:34:40,745 BILL: "How Deep Is Your Love..." 653 00:34:40,828 --> 00:34:42,288 ♪ (“HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE” BY BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 654 00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:45,124 ♪ I know your eyes In the morning sun ♪ 655 00:34:45,208 --> 00:34:46,292 BILL: ...and "Stayin' Alive." 656 00:34:46,375 --> 00:34:48,961 ♪ Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk ♪ 657 00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:51,255 ♪ I'm a woman's man No time to talk... ♪ 658 00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:53,341 BILL: And the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. 659 00:34:53,424 --> 00:34:55,510 This was extraordinary, to get five demos 660 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,012 of obviously brilliant songs, 661 00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,639 which is exactly what we wanted for the film. 662 00:34:59,722 --> 00:35:02,767 ♪ ...the other way We can try to understand... ♪ 663 00:35:02,850 --> 00:35:06,020 BILL: To have those songs was an enormous boost for me. 664 00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:07,688 We were in preproduction on the movie, 665 00:35:07,772 --> 00:35:09,690 and we were really rushing. 666 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:12,276 We had a start date, 'cause we had John Travolta 667 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,072 booked for that time on his hiatus from his TV show. 668 00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:18,282 You gotta loosen up here, all right? 669 00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:20,451 All right. Start to relax. 670 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:26,541 Start to feel who you are. 671 00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:32,588 ♪ I said a bar-bar-bar Bar-bar-barino ♪ 672 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:35,550 ♪ Bar-bar-bar, Bar-bar-barino ♪ 673 00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:38,010 ♪ Bar- bar-bar, Bar-bar-barino ♪ 674 00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:39,470 ♪ You got me rockin' And a-reelin' ♪ 675 00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:41,848 ♪ And a-boppin' And a-reelin' Barbarino ♪ 676 00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:44,725 Vinnie! Earth to Vinnie! 677 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:47,186 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 678 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:49,647 NIK: Travolta was having a moment as one 679 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:51,774 of these teen idols. 680 00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:54,443 NEWSCASTER: The young, sweeter-than-thou, male adolescent star 681 00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,529 is a multi-million-dollar business. 682 00:35:56,612 --> 00:35:58,698 Donny Osmond and "Puppy Love." 683 00:35:58,781 --> 00:36:01,534 TV's Partridge Family created David Cassidy 684 00:36:01,617 --> 00:36:03,035 as the newest dreamboat. 685 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,080 FaVE! and STAR! and 16 and Tiger Beat, 686 00:36:06,163 --> 00:36:08,416 they tell the kids what their hero wears to bed 687 00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:11,919 and how to get a pillowcase with his picture on it. 688 00:36:12,003 --> 00:36:15,506 NIK: Somebody else would have signed him maybe to a film. 689 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:19,176 But Robert signed him to three films. 690 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,804 JAMES: Robert paid John a million dollars 691 00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:23,598 to do three movies. 692 00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:26,100 At the time, it was the biggest dollar amount 693 00:36:26,183 --> 00:36:28,352 that was ever given to a television star 694 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:29,562 to do a movie. 695 00:36:29,645 --> 00:36:31,856 PATRICK: Everybody was laughing about it. 696 00:36:31,939 --> 00:36:33,107 Because nobody had done that, 697 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:36,652 you know, coming from television into feature films. 698 00:36:36,736 --> 00:36:38,946 BARRY DILLER: Travolta, all of the research said 699 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:42,199 he's a television person, he's not a movie person. 700 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,702 KEVIN: There were a lot of actors that had not transitioned 701 00:36:44,785 --> 00:36:46,245 to movies. 702 00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:48,539 But Robert just had this instinct 703 00:36:48,623 --> 00:36:51,167 about John Travolta. 704 00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:53,753 PATRICK: In 1971, Robert was touring 705 00:36:53,836 --> 00:36:56,255 Jesus Christ Superstar in the states. 706 00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:58,674 Travolta wanted to be cast. 707 00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:03,012 He was very young at the time. He probably was like 15 or 16. 708 00:37:03,095 --> 00:37:05,222 I remember the day my father started saving 709 00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:07,141 for my college education. 710 00:37:07,224 --> 00:37:08,976 It was my tenth birthday, 711 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,771 and he opened a savings account for ten dollars. 712 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,607 "Brian," he said, "You're gonna have it better than me." 713 00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:16,734 "You're not going to have to stand on your feet all day 714 00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:18,444 just to make a buck." 715 00:37:18,527 --> 00:37:20,446 PATRICK: Robert made a note on his yellow pad, 716 00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:22,907 that this kid will be a great star. 717 00:37:24,283 --> 00:37:26,702 FREDDIE: Robert said, "I don't want to have this star 718 00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:29,997 and then not own him for two more movies. 719 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:31,248 I'll make him a star, 720 00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:33,334 and then I'll make him a star a second time, 721 00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:34,752 and then a third time." 722 00:37:34,835 --> 00:37:36,337 NIK: Then he had to find those three films. 723 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:38,547 Well, Grease was sitting there. 724 00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:41,175 KEVIN: Grease was an old show 725 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:42,927 that had been running on Broadway. 726 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:45,346 TIM: The first stage show, Grease, didn't really work. 727 00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:48,391 I mean, it was good, but it wasn't a huge success. 728 00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:50,434 Most people thought it was just a fun, 729 00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:51,978 '50s revival show. 730 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,022 But Robert saw it was more than that. 731 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:57,984 FREDDIE: Robert said, "What about it for John?" 732 00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:01,404 And sure enough, it was exactly what John wanted. 733 00:38:01,487 --> 00:38:03,114 JOHN TRAVOLTA: I get a call from Robert Stigwood. 734 00:38:03,197 --> 00:38:04,907 Stigwood said, "I think this is the kid for us, 735 00:38:04,991 --> 00:38:07,451 why don't we put him in Grease because he can sing and dance?" 736 00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:11,205 NIK: And then, when the article came out, 737 00:38:11,288 --> 00:38:14,250 Robert said, "This will be just right for Travolta." 738 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:18,462 KEVIN: So we got Travolta just based on the article. 739 00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:20,631 -INTERVIEWER: Do you dance? -I am going to get to dance 740 00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:23,050 in a film in January and it's gonna be hot. 741 00:38:23,134 --> 00:38:24,427 Are you scared? 742 00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:26,595 No, it's about discotheques themselves, 743 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,514 so I'll be, like, king of the discos. 744 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,975 FREDDIE: He believed in John, 745 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:34,812 and he felt that everything else was going to fall into place. 746 00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:37,523 But there was no plan for how it was going to be made. 747 00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:40,651 ♪ (UNSETTLED MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 748 00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:43,988 FREDDIE: My job was to make a deal with Paramount Pictures. 749 00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:48,576 Robert spoke directly with Barry Diller. 750 00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:51,662 And they agreed they would be the distributor, 751 00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:53,706 and the deal would be financed by us. 752 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:55,374 We wanted 50 percent of the gross, 753 00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:58,461 and it was compromised at 45 percent of the gross. 754 00:38:58,544 --> 00:38:59,962 That was the deal. 755 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:02,798 BILL: No one had ever done that. 756 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:05,593 When George Lucas, who had made a deal for Star Wars 757 00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:06,927 at Fox, heard about it, 758 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:08,929 he wanted that deal, he wanted the Stigwood deal 759 00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:10,765 he'd heard about at Paramount. 760 00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:12,767 George told me his lawyers could not believe 761 00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,643 the deal that Robert had somehow extracted 762 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:17,897 at Paramount on this little disco movie. 763 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,648 It helped that Robert was pitching a movie 764 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:21,233 that none of them really believed in, 765 00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:22,985 so they didn't care, they didn't think it would make money, 766 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:24,570 they gave him fifty percent. 767 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:30,451 NIK: Paramount didn't think it was going to be a hit. 768 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:34,080 But Robert had an extraordinary instinct. 769 00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:38,042 And he built up this little group of people 770 00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:39,710 who he trusted. 771 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,255 BILL: I must've looked about 12. 772 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:46,675 Literally, I had no experience. What was I doing in that job? 773 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:50,012 KEVIN: At this point, I'm like in my early '20s. 774 00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:54,433 I'm basically running the show, and I have no experience. 775 00:39:57,353 --> 00:39:59,647 And I said to Robert, "Well, now what are we going to do?" 776 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,649 And he said, "You gotta go get a director." 777 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:11,450 ♪ (LIVELY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 778 00:40:12,993 --> 00:40:15,079 KEVIN: So, I had this magazine article. 779 00:40:15,162 --> 00:40:18,582 Then I'm going around to various agencies. 780 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:22,169 I go to CAA, I go to William Morris. 781 00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:24,004 Basically, nobody was that interested 782 00:40:24,088 --> 00:40:25,631 in anything I had to say. 783 00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,509 I go to this guy Marvin Moss. 784 00:40:28,592 --> 00:40:30,928 And I'm talking to him about a particular client 785 00:40:31,011 --> 00:40:33,305 and he says to me, "You know what, kid? 786 00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:35,724 My directors do movies, 787 00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:37,560 they don't do magazine articles." 788 00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:43,149 NIK: In that time, articles, they weren't turned into films. 789 00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:45,317 I mean, Tom Wolfe wrote all those, 790 00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:46,902 you know, very famous articles, 791 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:48,779 but they weren't turned into movies. 792 00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:51,532 It was just something that didn't happen. 793 00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:53,409 KEVIN: I had been in California for like three days. 794 00:40:53,492 --> 00:40:54,618 I go back to the hotel, 795 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:56,954 and I make a reservation to come back to New York, 796 00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:59,832 and I figure, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. 797 00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:01,834 And the phone rings and it's Marvin Moss, 798 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:03,335 who calls me in, and sort of says, 799 00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:05,004 "I was on a long phone call with a client 800 00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:06,213 who you wanted to talk to. 801 00:41:06,297 --> 00:41:07,965 He's read the article and he's interested, 802 00:41:08,048 --> 00:41:10,759 but you should see his movie first." 803 00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,389 "You could see it in New York. When are you going back?" 804 00:41:15,472 --> 00:41:17,224 And I said, "Over the weekend." 805 00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:19,185 "My boss is gonna be there, and, 806 00:41:19,268 --> 00:41:22,229 you know, so Stigwood needs to see the movie, and..." 807 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:26,150 So Robert and I go to see Rocky, before it's released... 808 00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:28,861 and we hire John Avildsen. 809 00:41:32,281 --> 00:41:33,949 And Avildsen said, 810 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:35,826 I want to work with this guy Norman Wexler. 811 00:41:37,995 --> 00:41:39,705 Norman Wexler is a guy who's literally 812 00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:41,790 just gotten out of a mental institution, 813 00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:43,626 is a famous bipolar cat, 814 00:41:43,709 --> 00:41:46,420 and had written a bunch of movies 815 00:41:46,503 --> 00:41:48,005 and after each one of them, 816 00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:50,299 he sort of would have this manic flip 817 00:41:50,382 --> 00:41:52,426 and set his life on fire. 818 00:41:52,509 --> 00:41:55,012 FREDDIE: Avildsen said, if you want gritty, 819 00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:57,598 this is what he makes. He's a little crazy, 820 00:41:57,681 --> 00:41:59,725 but he's someone I admire very greatly. 821 00:41:59,808 --> 00:42:01,352 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 822 00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:03,354 KEVIN: I go down to his apartment in Chelsea, 823 00:42:03,437 --> 00:42:06,065 which consists of a bed, a table and two chairs, 824 00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:08,192 and this guy who chain smokes. 825 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:12,488 I've never supervised a script before. 826 00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:14,490 I'd go at like 2:00 in the afternoon when he got up, 827 00:42:14,573 --> 00:42:18,285 and he'd show me the pages he had written the night before. 828 00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:20,663 And it was fantastic. 829 00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:23,666 Stigwood loved it. 830 00:42:23,749 --> 00:42:27,544 And when Travolta read the script, he loved it too. 831 00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:29,463 JOHN: When I first saw it, I said, "Gee, you know, 832 00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,466 this character seems like he's underwater most of the time." 833 00:42:32,549 --> 00:42:34,260 But then every once in a while he comes up out 834 00:42:34,343 --> 00:42:36,804 and sees everything exactly how it is. 835 00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:39,348 And has so much knowledge about, 836 00:42:39,431 --> 00:42:40,933 I mean, like he knows everything. 837 00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:43,978 FREDDIE: When Robert saw the first draft 838 00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:45,813 of the screenplay, and his heart was pounding, 839 00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:47,773 he said, "Freddie, this director, 840 00:42:47,856 --> 00:42:49,942 this screenplay, it's all here, 841 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:52,319 it's all in the script, I could see it, 842 00:42:52,403 --> 00:42:53,654 I could visualize it. 843 00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,032 This is the movie." 844 00:42:57,116 --> 00:42:58,784 ♪ (“JUNGLE BOOGIE” BY KOOL & THE GANG PLAYING) ♪ 845 00:42:58,867 --> 00:43:03,539 ♪ Get down, get down Get down, get down ♪ 846 00:43:03,622 --> 00:43:05,374 ♪ Get down, get down... ♪ 847 00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:07,376 DENEY TERRIO: I was living in Hollywood Hills. 848 00:43:08,085 --> 00:43:09,628 In my condo building, 849 00:43:09,712 --> 00:43:12,423 there was this young lady that was on a soap opera. 850 00:43:12,506 --> 00:43:14,508 We were out by the pool one day, and she said, 851 00:43:14,591 --> 00:43:16,719 "You've done a lot of dancing shows, haven't you?" 852 00:43:16,802 --> 00:43:17,845 I said, "Yeah." 853 00:43:19,388 --> 00:43:21,682 She goes, "My manager is Bob Lamont." 854 00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:24,601 Now, he manages John Travolta. 855 00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:26,854 She goes, "Well, they've got this script 856 00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:28,731 that they're gonna use for John 857 00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:30,733 and they're looking for a choreographer." 858 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:37,489 Now Bob lived up in the Hills, about a mile away. 859 00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:39,241 So I drove over to his house. 860 00:43:39,325 --> 00:43:40,492 I come in the front door. 861 00:43:40,576 --> 00:43:43,287 I didn't even know what the movie was about, 862 00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:47,124 but I knew I had a chance, so I moved all the furniture. 863 00:43:47,207 --> 00:43:50,502 He had a nice stereo system, and I found "Jungle Boogie" 864 00:43:50,586 --> 00:43:52,046 by Kool and the Gang. 865 00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:53,213 ♪ ...and shake it around... ♪ 866 00:43:53,297 --> 00:43:55,215 DENEY: And I just started doing all the steps. 867 00:43:55,299 --> 00:43:58,677 The knee drops, the clock splits, locking up. 868 00:43:59,636 --> 00:44:01,972 Those knee drops, up and down, 869 00:44:02,056 --> 00:44:03,724 I picked up a lot of those steps 870 00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:07,061 from Don Campbell and the Lockers, and Soul Train. 871 00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:11,190 ♪ ("JUNGLE BOOGIE" CONTINUES) ♪ 872 00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:14,777 DENEY: So the next thing I know, they called me in, at Paramount, 873 00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:18,113 they said, "We're signing you up to teach this man how to dance." 874 00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:19,490 ♪ Jungle boogie ♪ 875 00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:22,284 ♪ Jungle boogie... ♪ 876 00:44:22,368 --> 00:44:23,535 DENEY: John Travolta said, 877 00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:26,246 "Everything I do, I want it to be great." 878 00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:27,915 I would take him to these clubs, 879 00:44:27,998 --> 00:44:30,709 and he started discovering the nightlife 880 00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:33,003 and the dancing and the music. 881 00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:34,421 He was like a sponge. 882 00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:38,050 I just tried to work on making him a really good, 883 00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:40,177 believable street dancer. 884 00:44:47,726 --> 00:44:50,729 DENEY: One night, Kevin McCormick and Robert Stigwood 885 00:44:50,813 --> 00:44:52,356 come in to see what we're doing 886 00:44:52,439 --> 00:44:54,400 and where we're going with this dancing. 887 00:44:54,483 --> 00:44:55,818 ♪ Till you feel it, y'all... ♪ 888 00:44:55,901 --> 00:44:58,904 DENEY: We went side by side and start doing the step backs, 889 00:44:58,987 --> 00:45:02,616 the crazy legs, the wavy arms and all the steps. 890 00:45:02,699 --> 00:45:05,869 We got through and it was dead silence, 891 00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:07,079 you know, nobody said anything, 892 00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:08,622 they'd all look over at Stigwood. 893 00:45:08,705 --> 00:45:10,416 And all of a sudden, Robert Stigwood 894 00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:13,252 got this big smile on his face. 895 00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:15,504 He goes, "I love it." 896 00:45:16,588 --> 00:45:20,801 ♪ (GENTLE PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 897 00:45:25,222 --> 00:45:29,977 KEVIN: When Rocky came out, John Avildsen became a maniac. 898 00:45:31,728 --> 00:45:34,606 He and John Travolta went from loving each other 899 00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:36,108 to he was impatient with John, 900 00:45:36,191 --> 00:45:38,777 he thought he was too fat, he thought he needed to train, 901 00:45:38,861 --> 00:45:40,612 he didn't think he could dance. 902 00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:43,449 John takes everything incredibly seriously 903 00:45:43,532 --> 00:45:45,617 and had a very clear idea of what he wanted 904 00:45:45,701 --> 00:45:47,453 to do dance-wise. 905 00:45:47,536 --> 00:45:48,787 And Avildsen wasn't, you know, 906 00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:50,664 he couldn't even select a choreographer 907 00:45:50,747 --> 00:45:52,958 and never could really quite key into 908 00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:54,501 what it was gonna look like. 909 00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:56,170 He just gets more and more impatient. 910 00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:58,464 He decides he doesn't like Norman's script, 911 00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:00,215 which we all loved. 912 00:46:00,299 --> 00:46:02,926 At this point, Stigwood called me to say, 913 00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:04,845 "What's going on?" 914 00:46:04,928 --> 00:46:06,680 And I said, "There's something else, 915 00:46:06,763 --> 00:46:07,890 John has decided 916 00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,267 that he doesn't want to use the Bee Gees' music." 917 00:46:10,934 --> 00:46:12,895 And he said, "Really?" 918 00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:15,105 "Call John and tell him to be at my apartment 919 00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:18,442 tomorrow morning at ten o'clock, and you should be there, too." 920 00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:24,364 So, Avildsen and I show up, we're there, waiting. 921 00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:27,367 Stigwood comes in, and he said, 922 00:46:27,451 --> 00:46:29,161 "John, there's good news and bad news." 923 00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:31,288 "The good news is you've just been nominated 924 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:33,999 for an Academy Award for Rocky." 925 00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:35,626 "The bad news is you're fired." 926 00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:40,631 And I said to Robert, "What do we do now?" 927 00:46:40,714 --> 00:46:42,674 And he goes, "Go out, go get a director." 928 00:46:47,596 --> 00:46:49,223 So I came out to California. 929 00:46:49,306 --> 00:46:52,184 There was a director, John Badham, who I'd met, 930 00:46:52,267 --> 00:46:54,102 who'd just been fired off of The Wiz. 931 00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:56,355 JOHN BADHAM: My agent said to me, 932 00:46:56,438 --> 00:46:59,900 "Do not read this script. They want you to do this, 933 00:46:59,983 --> 00:47:03,695 but I want to make a deal first before you go and read it." 934 00:47:03,779 --> 00:47:06,740 And I said, "Okay, yeah." 935 00:47:06,823 --> 00:47:09,159 So I promptly started reading it. 936 00:47:09,243 --> 00:47:11,495 Well, like an hour and a quarter later, 937 00:47:11,578 --> 00:47:13,539 I'm running around our little house 938 00:47:13,622 --> 00:47:17,042 at that time going, "This is great! Oh, my God!" 939 00:47:17,125 --> 00:47:20,671 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 940 00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:23,507 BADHAM: The characters, the dialogue, the situation, 941 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:27,261 everything about the Tony Manero character 942 00:47:27,344 --> 00:47:29,388 just leaps off the page. 943 00:47:30,764 --> 00:47:33,850 I'm a guy who was, A, born in England, 944 00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:36,645 B, raised in Birmingham, Alabama, 945 00:47:36,728 --> 00:47:39,398 had been in Brooklyn maybe once. 946 00:47:39,481 --> 00:47:41,316 And what I knew about dancing 947 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,902 was the dance classes my mother sent me to 948 00:47:43,986 --> 00:47:46,154 when I was 12 or 13 years old. 949 00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:50,242 And yet, for me, it jumped off the page. 950 00:47:50,325 --> 00:47:53,453 And only as I'm on a plane two days later 951 00:47:53,537 --> 00:47:54,871 to go to New York, 952 00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:57,916 to get this thing shooting in two and a half weeks, 953 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,170 that I go, "Ho, my holy God, this is a musical!" 954 00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:05,716 ♪ (ENERGETIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 955 00:48:05,799 --> 00:48:08,093 BADHAM: I get to New York and I go to meet Robert, 956 00:48:08,176 --> 00:48:10,262 and one of the first things he does 957 00:48:10,345 --> 00:48:12,848 is hand me a little tape cassette, 958 00:48:12,931 --> 00:48:16,226 and he says, "My boys, the Bee Gees, 959 00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:18,228 have done five demos 960 00:48:18,312 --> 00:48:20,397 that we're going to use in this movie." 961 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:24,901 And he said, "Three of them are gonna be number one hits!" 962 00:48:26,445 --> 00:48:31,199 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 963 00:48:37,205 --> 00:48:39,958 KEVIN: We started production flying by the seat of our pants. 964 00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:42,711 You know, all the locations weren't locked down. 965 00:48:42,794 --> 00:48:44,338 You know, it was a three-million, 966 00:48:44,421 --> 00:48:46,340 five hundred thousand-dollar movie. 967 00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:49,343 It's not like it's a luxurious studio budget. 968 00:48:51,928 --> 00:48:53,597 BILL: We were shooting the movie at the same time 969 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,973 as me getting the music. 970 00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:57,434 We were really rushing, because I didn't-- never done it before, 971 00:48:57,517 --> 00:48:58,977 I didn't know you had to get a sync pulse 972 00:48:59,061 --> 00:49:01,480 and a click track... (CHUCKLING) ...and all this stuff, you know? 973 00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:03,231 It was like, we were sort of making it up 974 00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:04,983 as we went along. 975 00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:09,029 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 976 00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:12,616 KEVIN: There was something quite wonderful about being in that neighborhood. 977 00:49:12,699 --> 00:49:15,619 You have to fill the club with extras who can dance. 978 00:49:15,702 --> 00:49:16,828 You know, better that they're people 979 00:49:16,912 --> 00:49:19,414 from the neighborhood who get this, you know? 980 00:49:19,498 --> 00:49:21,458 MAN: Now shape up, you assholes. We're the faces! 981 00:49:21,541 --> 00:49:26,254 ♪ (“A FIFTH OF BEETHOVEN” BY WALTER MURPHY PLAYING) ♪ 982 00:49:45,982 --> 00:49:49,361 ELIZABETH: I did the movie when I was 20 years old. 983 00:49:50,612 --> 00:49:53,907 My brother and I would compete in dance contests. 984 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:56,118 JOE CURCIO: They did a contest for the movie. 985 00:49:56,201 --> 00:49:57,661 If we entered the contest and we won, 986 00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,538 we would get one day in the movie. 987 00:49:59,621 --> 00:50:03,000 We ended up walking in, Saturday afternoon, 988 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,085 and I was a little like, starstruck, 989 00:50:05,168 --> 00:50:07,254 John Travolta was in the corner reading his lines, 990 00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:08,755 Karen Lynn Gorney was there. 991 00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:11,174 ELIZABETH: So I said, "Oh, my God, this is really it, you know?" 992 00:50:11,258 --> 00:50:12,426 JOE: The most beautiful memory for me, 993 00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:14,928 and this is straight up, no lie, 994 00:50:15,011 --> 00:50:16,596 John Travolta stopped reading his lines 995 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,807 when we stopped dancing. He came right over to me, 996 00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:20,308 and he put out his hand and he said, 997 00:50:20,392 --> 00:50:22,269 "You guys are great, you're wonderful!" 998 00:50:22,352 --> 00:50:24,646 "My name is John." And I said, "Well, who don't know that?" 999 00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:26,815 ELIZABETH: My brother goes, "Yeah, okay, like I don't know that." 1000 00:50:26,898 --> 00:50:28,567 (LAUGHING) I was like, "Shut up!" 1001 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,527 MONTI ROCK: We have Elizabeth and Joseph Curcio! 1002 00:50:30,610 --> 00:50:32,904 Give 'em a hand! Come on down! Yeah, baby! 1003 00:50:32,988 --> 00:50:34,531 (CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 1004 00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:36,867 ELIZABETH: To be in a movie, with John Travolta, 1005 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:38,285 I couldn't believe it. 1006 00:50:38,368 --> 00:50:40,704 And once it got out, it was like an epidemic. 1007 00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:44,499 The whole 86th Street. 1008 00:50:49,254 --> 00:50:51,298 BADHAM: Our very first day of filming, 1009 00:50:51,381 --> 00:50:54,926 you couldn't turn anywhere without seeing people. 1010 00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:56,678 Even if you looked straight up, 1011 00:50:56,762 --> 00:50:59,347 you were seeing kids hanging over the building. 1012 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:03,560 We had to shut down by lunchtime. 1013 00:51:03,643 --> 00:51:05,103 We could not shoot. 1014 00:51:09,816 --> 00:51:11,860 RONA BARRETT: Mr. Stigwood in a short period of time 1015 00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:13,987 has developed a reputation 1016 00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:18,450 as being someone who knows exactly what he wants. 1017 00:51:18,533 --> 00:51:21,828 How much control does he have over the people 1018 00:51:21,912 --> 00:51:23,413 who work for him? 1019 00:51:23,497 --> 00:51:26,583 Well, I think the great thing about... 1020 00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:31,004 the, uh-- doing pictures with him, would be 1021 00:51:31,087 --> 00:51:35,509 that he likes the artists to have a lot of say-so. 1022 00:51:35,592 --> 00:51:38,136 Because I think he trusts artists' instincts. 1023 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,515 One of the most important things working with Robert 1024 00:51:41,598 --> 00:51:45,894 is that he gave that kind of freedom within the projects, 1025 00:51:45,977 --> 00:51:49,356 to get a lot of your own creative ideas in there. 1026 00:51:49,439 --> 00:51:51,525 And he really did, I mean, I must say. 1027 00:51:53,568 --> 00:51:56,321 KEVIN: John had a very evolved sense 1028 00:51:56,404 --> 00:51:58,615 of what the dance solo should be like, 1029 00:51:58,698 --> 00:52:02,244 and really thought it should be covered in a specific way. 1030 00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:05,413 And his imagination led him to what it had to be, 1031 00:52:05,497 --> 00:52:07,165 to be excellent. 1032 00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:08,834 And when he saw the dailies, 1033 00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:12,963 Badham had a much more ordinary version of it. 1034 00:52:13,046 --> 00:52:15,215 You know, it wasn't anywhere near captured 1035 00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:17,884 the way he had slaved for about 18 months 1036 00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:20,136 to really make it look fantastic. 1037 00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,181 BADHAM: The first time we saw the dailies, 1038 00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:24,933 there were a couple of places where he went, 1039 00:52:25,016 --> 00:52:26,142 "Why did you do that?" 1040 00:52:26,226 --> 00:52:28,562 And he said, "When you're ready to shoot it my way, 1041 00:52:28,645 --> 00:52:31,147 "then," you know, "I'll be in my trailer." 1042 00:52:31,231 --> 00:52:33,817 KEVIN: The movie literally shut down for three days. 1043 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:35,151 John wouldn't go back to work, 1044 00:52:35,235 --> 00:52:38,071 he just couldn't imagine finishing this out 1045 00:52:38,154 --> 00:52:40,740 because Badham had screwed it up. 1046 00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:42,993 And Robert had to be a peacemaker, 1047 00:52:43,076 --> 00:52:44,536 to sort of put it back together again, 1048 00:52:44,619 --> 00:52:47,122 so we could get everybody back up on the high wire... 1049 00:52:47,205 --> 00:52:49,374 (LAUGHING) ...of making the movie. 1050 00:52:49,457 --> 00:52:52,085 We really talked about it, and argued a little bit, 1051 00:52:52,168 --> 00:52:53,753 and he said, "Well, if you really feel 1052 00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:57,132 that strong about it, it must be-- it must be right." 1053 00:52:57,215 --> 00:53:01,094 BADHAM: Absolutely he was right, so I went into John's trailer 1054 00:53:01,177 --> 00:53:03,263 and said, "Okay, come on, we're gonna do this." 1055 00:53:03,346 --> 00:53:05,765 "You're right. I take your point, I'm sorry." 1056 00:53:05,849 --> 00:53:07,934 "So we'll go and fix it." 1057 00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:13,982 ♪ (“YOU SHOULD BE DANCING” BY THE BEE GEES PLAYING) ♪ 1058 00:53:15,692 --> 00:53:17,777 ♪ My baby moves at midnight ♪ 1059 00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:19,070 (CROWD CHEERING) 1060 00:53:19,154 --> 00:53:22,282 ♪ Goes right on till the dawn ♪ 1061 00:53:23,491 --> 00:53:24,910 ♪ My woman takes me higher... ♪ 1062 00:53:24,993 --> 00:53:29,122 KEVIN: In the end, it was rather simple coverage that sells it. 1063 00:53:29,205 --> 00:53:33,293 You know, that really gave you how magnificent it was. 1064 00:53:33,376 --> 00:53:35,170 -All right! -(CHEERING) 1065 00:53:35,253 --> 00:53:37,839 KEVIN: I always think about John as being incandescent 1066 00:53:37,923 --> 00:53:40,133 in that moment, you know, he becomes that character. 1067 00:53:40,216 --> 00:53:41,801 ♪ ...you should be dancing Yeah ♪ 1068 00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:43,011 All right! 1069 00:53:43,094 --> 00:53:46,473 ♪ Dancing, yeah... ♪ 1070 00:53:46,556 --> 00:53:50,268 KEVIN: For me, it was both an incredibly intense experience, 1071 00:53:50,352 --> 00:53:52,270 but I kept thinking, "How lucky am I?" 1072 00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:54,105 Every day, I couldn't wait to get there, you know? 1073 00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:56,983 And I think everybody sort of felt the same way, 1074 00:53:57,067 --> 00:53:59,527 because they knew something special was going on. 1075 00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:04,491 ♪ (UNSETTLED MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1076 00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:20,131 BILL: I was on the lot in Paramount Studios that summer. 1077 00:54:20,215 --> 00:54:21,716 We were editing the movie. 1078 00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:25,553 I was doing Grease at the same time. 1079 00:54:25,637 --> 00:54:27,847 We were shooting Grease in Venice, California, 1080 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,766 so we were going from "Summer Nights," 1081 00:54:29,849 --> 00:54:33,186 or something like that, to "Night Fever" at night. 1082 00:54:33,269 --> 00:54:35,522 And I remember they said, "How's your little disco movie?" 1083 00:54:35,605 --> 00:54:38,024 That was the phrase I got from Michael Eisner, of all people. 1084 00:54:38,108 --> 00:54:40,318 He was the president of the studio. 1085 00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:44,072 He had Looking for Mr. Goodbar, a movie with Richard Gere, scheduled for Christmas. 1086 00:54:44,155 --> 00:54:46,408 That was the Paramount Christmas picture. 1087 00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:47,534 The idea that Robert wanted 1088 00:54:47,617 --> 00:54:49,744 this "little disco movie" to come out before it, 1089 00:54:49,828 --> 00:54:53,039 and then come out in more screens, was absurd to Eisner. 1090 00:54:54,541 --> 00:54:57,210 You know, people think Saturday Night Fever somehow kicked off disco. 1091 00:54:57,293 --> 00:54:59,170 It actually didn't. It was dying on its feet 1092 00:54:59,254 --> 00:55:01,214 when we came out with that movie, I have to tell you. 1093 00:55:01,297 --> 00:55:04,426 Disco was almost over. I was worried we were too late. 1094 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:10,306 I remember, when I'd finished mastering the album, 1095 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:13,393 I was up all night in Hollywood at Capitol Records. 1096 00:55:14,602 --> 00:55:16,104 I had the album that I'd been working on 1097 00:55:16,187 --> 00:55:18,189 for nearly a year and a half in the back of my car, 1098 00:55:18,273 --> 00:55:19,733 and I was stopped at a traffic light 1099 00:55:19,816 --> 00:55:22,527 on the way home on La Brea in Hollywood. (CHUCKLING) 1100 00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:24,070 And in front of me there was a truck, 1101 00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:27,032 and on the bumper sticker said "Death to Disco." 1102 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:30,660 I remember calling Robert, I said, 1103 00:55:30,744 --> 00:55:32,746 "You know, I've got a feeling we might be too late." 1104 00:55:37,625 --> 00:55:39,919 FREDDIE: Saturday Night Fever did not do well 1105 00:55:40,003 --> 00:55:41,421 in its sneak preview. 1106 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:43,673 We flew to Ohio. 1107 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,767 People weren't quite sure what to make of it. 1108 00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:57,020 When we got the so-called "focus group" report, 1109 00:55:57,103 --> 00:56:00,398 it said, "Saturday Night Fever sounds like a venereal disease 1110 00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:02,150 you pick up on a Saturday night." 1111 00:56:02,233 --> 00:56:05,570 "Boy in a white suit, subliminally, that's a sissy boy." 1112 00:56:05,653 --> 00:56:07,739 You know, all these silly things. 1113 00:56:10,158 --> 00:56:13,745 BILL: For a movie musical, it's quite dark, you know? 1114 00:56:13,828 --> 00:56:15,872 -(SOBS) -(CAR HORN HONKING) 1115 00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:17,207 (PANTS) 1116 00:56:17,290 --> 00:56:18,792 -(GROANS) -BILL: There's a rape scene, 1117 00:56:18,875 --> 00:56:20,877 and then, you know, the scenes in the back of the car, 1118 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,545 and the guy falling off the bridge. 1119 00:56:22,629 --> 00:56:24,255 This is not your grandma's musical. 1120 00:56:24,339 --> 00:56:28,093 -Tony, look at me. -Look at the punk. 1121 00:56:28,176 --> 00:56:30,720 Bobby, get down! It's too dangerous! 1122 00:56:30,804 --> 00:56:33,306 BILL: The language alone, we had endless discussions 1123 00:56:33,389 --> 00:56:34,974 about taking all the language out. 1124 00:56:35,058 --> 00:56:36,726 TONY MANERO: Oh, fuck the future! 1125 00:56:36,810 --> 00:56:40,063 No, Tony, you can't fuck the future. 1126 00:56:40,146 --> 00:56:41,481 BILL: Because it was full of F-words 1127 00:56:41,564 --> 00:56:43,817 that Paramount just couldn't get their heads around. 1128 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:45,193 C'mon, fuckhead! 1129 00:56:46,027 --> 00:56:48,071 Hey! Son of a fuck won't budge! 1130 00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:53,743 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1131 00:57:01,626 --> 00:57:03,753 PATRICK: Robert was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel, 1132 00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,880 bungalow five or ten. 1133 00:57:05,964 --> 00:57:08,925 Barry Diller and the execs at Paramount met with Robert, 1134 00:57:09,008 --> 00:57:12,011 they had breakfast, and Barry said, 1135 00:57:12,095 --> 00:57:15,098 "There's too many 'fucks' into the script, 1136 00:57:15,181 --> 00:57:18,685 and it's bad for the audience, for the young audience." 1137 00:57:18,768 --> 00:57:20,687 "What can I do to sweeten you off, 1138 00:57:20,770 --> 00:57:22,147 and can you take 1139 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:24,399 a few of the 'fucks' out of the script?" 1140 00:57:24,482 --> 00:57:26,192 And Robert said, "How many do you want?" 1141 00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:27,944 "Well, at least five, 1142 00:57:28,027 --> 00:57:30,196 there are about twenty, at least five." 1143 00:57:30,947 --> 00:57:32,490 Robert said, "Well, five, 1144 00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:35,160 that's five percent extra on the gross." 1145 00:57:35,243 --> 00:57:36,953 And Barry, "You've got a deal." 1146 00:57:39,414 --> 00:57:41,457 FREDDIE: Ultimately, Robert, I think, agreed 1147 00:57:41,541 --> 00:57:44,043 to one dirty word being taken out. 1148 00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:48,965 KEVIN: I remember, very vividly, I'm in the airport, 1149 00:57:49,048 --> 00:57:50,550 getting ready to get on a plane to L.A., 1150 00:57:50,633 --> 00:57:51,718 and somebody paged me, 1151 00:57:51,801 --> 00:57:53,261 and I thought, "Wonder who the hell that is." 1152 00:57:53,344 --> 00:57:55,180 And I picked up the phone. And Michael Eisner got 1153 00:57:55,263 --> 00:57:57,599 on the phone and started screaming at me. 1154 00:57:57,682 --> 00:58:00,768 I think he had just watched the new cut of the movie. 1155 00:58:00,852 --> 00:58:03,313 "Who do you think you are? What are you doing?" Blah-blah-blah. 1156 00:58:03,396 --> 00:58:04,898 He just went on and on and on and on. 1157 00:58:04,981 --> 00:58:07,150 He was enraged that there was still a lot 1158 00:58:07,233 --> 00:58:08,985 of language in the movie. 1159 00:58:09,068 --> 00:58:11,321 When I told Stigwood... (LAUGHING) 1160 00:58:11,404 --> 00:58:13,448 ...he thought it was the funniest thing ever, 1161 00:58:13,531 --> 00:58:15,533 and it made him absolutely determined 1162 00:58:15,617 --> 00:58:18,453 that it was done, and that's exactly what it was gonna be. 1163 00:58:20,914 --> 00:58:22,707 NIK: Robert was very driven by the idea, 1164 00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:24,918 "You can't do that." 1165 00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:26,961 The moment any suit said to him, 1166 00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:28,922 "You can't do that," it was, "Right, 1167 00:58:29,005 --> 00:58:32,383 roll up your sleeves, here we go, lads." You know? 1168 00:58:32,467 --> 00:58:36,262 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1169 00:58:36,346 --> 00:58:37,722 NIK: Paramount made clear 1170 00:58:37,805 --> 00:58:41,351 that they were not really going to push it. 1171 00:58:41,434 --> 00:58:43,436 MICHAEL EISNER: I had no idea what we had. 1172 00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:44,938 I didn't even know it was a musical. 1173 00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:47,315 I was walking down the street on Central Park West 1174 00:58:47,398 --> 00:58:49,442 and I ran into Robert Stigwood and he said, 1175 00:58:49,525 --> 00:58:51,903 "Do you want to come upstairs and listen to music?" 1176 00:58:51,986 --> 00:58:53,988 I can say categorically I went up and listened to it, 1177 00:58:54,072 --> 00:58:55,990 and had no idea it was a musical, still. 1178 00:58:58,326 --> 00:59:00,536 NIK: That was the thing that triggered Robert 1179 00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,914 to do what no one had done before, 1180 00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:07,126 release the soundtrack before the film came out. 1181 00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:09,921 KEVIN: He instinctively knew that he could use that 1182 00:59:10,004 --> 00:59:14,509 to water anticipation, and that more than any trailer, 1183 00:59:14,592 --> 00:59:18,096 the music from the movie would really compel people 1184 00:59:18,179 --> 00:59:20,723 to wanna come and see what it was. 1185 00:59:20,807 --> 00:59:21,975 BILL: Eventually, Michael Eisner said, 1186 00:59:22,058 --> 00:59:23,810 "How will we know if your record's a hit?" 1187 00:59:23,893 --> 00:59:25,436 And Robert said, "Guarantee it, 1188 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,438 it will be a hit, it'll be number one." 1189 00:59:27,522 --> 00:59:28,856 "How will we know?" He said, "Okay, 1190 00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:32,235 if it's number one, then you give me 250 more screens." 1191 00:59:32,318 --> 00:59:36,447 ♪ (“A FIFTH OF BEETHOVEN” BY WALTER MURPHY PLAYING) ♪ 1192 00:59:36,531 --> 00:59:37,949 BILL: "If the next one goes number one, 1193 00:59:38,032 --> 00:59:40,493 you give me 500 more screens." It was an escalating thing. 1194 00:59:40,576 --> 00:59:42,203 He wrote this all down. 1195 00:59:42,287 --> 00:59:43,621 So they went with it. 1196 00:59:48,751 --> 00:59:50,128 But of course, he had the last laugh. 1197 00:59:50,211 --> 00:59:52,755 We were number one seven times with it. 1198 00:59:55,258 --> 00:59:56,467 Every time you turned on the radio 1199 00:59:56,551 --> 00:59:58,011 you heard "How Deep Is Your Love," 1200 00:59:58,094 --> 00:59:59,345 "Stayin' Alive," "Night Fever," 1201 00:59:59,429 --> 01:00:01,639 "More Than a Woman," and "If I Can't Have You." 1202 01:00:05,643 --> 01:00:08,521 NEWSCASTER 1: Four singles from Saturday Night Fever 1203 01:00:08,604 --> 01:00:10,982 have hit number one since the album's release, 1204 01:00:11,065 --> 01:00:14,319 more than from any other new album in history. 1205 01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:16,321 NEWSCASTER 2: The album Saturday Night Fever 1206 01:00:16,404 --> 01:00:21,367 is projected to sell some 12 million copies. 1207 01:00:23,036 --> 01:00:24,412 NIK: Right, take that. 1208 01:00:24,495 --> 01:00:26,164 Now can you put it in the dumpster? 1209 01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:29,042 NEWSCASTER: The album has sold more than ten million copies, 1210 01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:31,711 on its way to being the biggest-selling album 1211 01:00:31,794 --> 01:00:33,004 of all time. 1212 01:00:37,133 --> 01:00:39,886 MICHAEL: I was skiing in Vail, Colorado. 1213 01:00:39,969 --> 01:00:41,054 I think it opened December 7th, 1214 01:00:41,137 --> 01:00:42,472 this was like two weeks earlier, 1215 01:00:42,555 --> 01:00:44,849 and I heard the guy at the lift at the bottom, 1216 01:00:44,932 --> 01:00:46,309 and I heard "Stayin' Alive." 1217 01:00:46,392 --> 01:00:48,102 And then I went up to the top of the lift 1218 01:00:48,186 --> 01:00:50,229 then at the top of the lift, and went to the restaurant, 1219 01:00:50,313 --> 01:00:52,857 and there was "Stayin' Alive." 1220 01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:54,692 I called up Barry Diller and I said, 1221 01:00:54,776 --> 01:00:56,694 "Do we have a hit here?" 1222 01:00:56,778 --> 01:01:01,157 ♪ (“DISCO INFERNO” BY THE TRAMMPS PLAYING) ♪ 1223 01:01:08,623 --> 01:01:09,957 Oh! 1224 01:01:11,709 --> 01:01:13,252 ANNOUNCER: Presenting the world premiere 1225 01:01:13,336 --> 01:01:14,754 of Paramount Pictures' 1226 01:01:14,837 --> 01:01:18,758 Saturday Night Fever, starring John Travolta. 1227 01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:20,885 (CROWD CHEERING) 1228 01:01:20,968 --> 01:01:23,971 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, this is John Travolta! 1229 01:01:24,055 --> 01:01:25,473 ♪ Burn, baby, burn ♪ 1230 01:01:26,974 --> 01:01:28,768 ♪ Burn, baby, burn ♪ 1231 01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:32,397 RONA: The movie is Saturday Night Fever, 1232 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,442 and the star is John Travolta disco dancing his way to fame. 1233 01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:40,571 ♪ To my surprise... ♪ 1234 01:01:41,489 --> 01:01:42,740 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, 1235 01:01:42,824 --> 01:01:45,410 -will you welcome the Bee Gees! -(CROWD CHEERING) 1236 01:01:45,493 --> 01:01:48,663 ♪ People getting loose y'all ♪ 1237 01:01:48,746 --> 01:01:52,125 ♪ Getting down on the roof You hear? ♪ 1238 01:01:53,668 --> 01:01:55,461 ♪ The funk was flaming... ♪ 1239 01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,296 PRESENTER 1: Did you get Saturday Night Fever? 1240 01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:59,257 PRESENTER 2: I do-- I have Saturday Night Fever. 1241 01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:00,466 Did you disco down? 1242 01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,636 -I discoed on down. -Me too, I had such fun. 1243 01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:07,306 ♪ When the boogie started To explode I heard... ♪ 1244 01:02:07,390 --> 01:02:08,474 BILL: When the film did open, 1245 01:02:08,558 --> 01:02:10,893 and it opened massively to a lot of screens, 1246 01:02:10,977 --> 01:02:12,979 the cinema operators were immediately all asking 1247 01:02:13,062 --> 01:02:15,940 for more prints, they wanted to add more screens. 1248 01:02:16,023 --> 01:02:17,733 Paramount said, "The cinemas are billing us 1249 01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:19,152 for the ushers they are having to bring in 1250 01:02:19,235 --> 01:02:21,696 to stop the dancing in the aisles." 1251 01:02:21,779 --> 01:02:24,073 NEWSCASTER 1: Saturday Night Fever put rock and roll to bed 1252 01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:26,159 -with a bad cold. -NEWSCASTER 2: Saturday Night Fever 1253 01:02:26,242 --> 01:02:28,453 has apparently revived disco fever. 1254 01:02:28,536 --> 01:02:30,288 NEWSCASTER 3: Hundreds are rushing to schools 1255 01:02:30,371 --> 01:02:32,039 to learn the right steps. 1256 01:02:33,207 --> 01:02:36,544 ♪ ...till I had To self-destruct... ♪ 1257 01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,337 BILL: What it did, was it gave disco 1258 01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:41,007 another, maybe, five more years of life. 1259 01:02:41,090 --> 01:02:43,426 In the year or two after Fever came out, 1260 01:02:43,509 --> 01:02:45,344 you couldn't go to a single nightclub 1261 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:48,222 anywhere in the world without people wearing white suits 1262 01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:50,600 and chains and dancing like Travolta. 1263 01:02:50,683 --> 01:02:53,686 DENEY: Everybody was going to the clubs, dressing up, 1264 01:02:53,769 --> 01:02:55,646 fixing their hair, looking good. 1265 01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:59,358 -♪ Burn, baby, burn ♪ -♪ Burn that mother down ♪ 1266 01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:01,569 ♪ Burn, baby, burn ♪ 1267 01:03:01,652 --> 01:03:02,695 ♪ Disco inferno ♪ 1268 01:03:02,778 --> 01:03:05,072 DENEY: People that would never dance, 1269 01:03:05,156 --> 01:03:08,242 never want to dance, wanted to be John Travolta. 1270 01:03:09,494 --> 01:03:12,997 NIK: To me, it was always just this little magazine story, 1271 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,665 and then suddenly it wasn't. 1272 01:03:14,749 --> 01:03:18,961 ♪ (“YOU MAKE ME FEEL" BY SYLVESTER PLAYING) ♪ 1273 01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:25,051 PATRICK: I met Robert in '78 in France, 1274 01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:27,887 when he was having so much success coming through. 1275 01:03:28,971 --> 01:03:30,515 I was driving a limo. 1276 01:03:30,598 --> 01:03:32,391 One afternoon, I was sent to the airport 1277 01:03:32,475 --> 01:03:34,727 with two other limos to pick up a group of people 1278 01:03:34,810 --> 01:03:36,103 coming from London. 1279 01:03:36,187 --> 01:03:40,107 ♪ When we're out there dancin' On the floor, darlin'... ♪ 1280 01:03:40,191 --> 01:03:41,692 PATRICK: I can see this lovely group, 1281 01:03:41,776 --> 01:03:45,071 young people arriving, all smiling and full of fun. 1282 01:03:45,154 --> 01:03:47,573 And then, Robert is amongst them, 1283 01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:49,867 with a white scarf... (CHUCKLING) 1284 01:03:49,951 --> 01:03:51,118 ...and he picks my car. 1285 01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:53,871 ♪ You make me feel Mighty real... ♪ 1286 01:03:53,955 --> 01:03:56,916 PATRICK: Robert said, "Can you put the radio on?" 1287 01:03:56,999 --> 01:04:00,169 "Okay." And of course, soon as we put the radio on, 1288 01:04:00,253 --> 01:04:03,089 "Stayin' Alive" is blasting through the loudspeakers. 1289 01:04:03,172 --> 01:04:04,507 ♪ ...mighty real... ♪ 1290 01:04:05,675 --> 01:04:07,510 PATRICK: And he says, "This is my music." 1291 01:04:07,593 --> 01:04:09,929 I said, "No, you're not a musician." 1292 01:04:10,012 --> 01:04:12,348 And he said, "No, I'm the producer of the film." 1293 01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:16,602 ♪ When we get home, darlin' And it's nice and dark and... ♪ 1294 01:04:16,686 --> 01:04:18,771 Could I ask, for example, what Saturday Night Fever 1295 01:04:18,854 --> 01:04:20,147 has grossed, thus far? 1296 01:04:20,231 --> 01:04:25,027 I think around 110 million, at the moment, in America. 1297 01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:27,780 MERV: And what do you anticipate after it's all wrapped up 1298 01:04:27,863 --> 01:04:29,198 in a nice big bag? 1299 01:04:29,282 --> 01:04:32,577 ROBERT: I would think something in the region of 250 million. 1300 01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:34,203 -MERV: Mm. -It's a very popular film. 1301 01:04:34,287 --> 01:04:37,999 ♪ Oh, you make me feel... ♪ 1302 01:04:38,082 --> 01:04:39,667 PATRICK: Robert said to me, 1303 01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:41,002 "You stay on, I'm going to use you, 1304 01:04:41,085 --> 01:04:44,255 I need to go to San Remo, I'm buying a yacht." 1305 01:04:45,756 --> 01:04:48,050 ♪ Mighty real ♪ 1306 01:04:48,134 --> 01:04:49,719 PATRICK: Everything is moving forward, 1307 01:04:49,802 --> 01:04:52,555 he's getting his toy, this big yacht. 1308 01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:54,307 Money was flowing in. 1309 01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:55,975 MERV: And the album? 1310 01:04:56,058 --> 01:04:59,478 The album, I think, is nearing 18 million 1311 01:04:59,562 --> 01:05:01,606 double albums worldwide at the moment. 1312 01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:03,399 But that would be the record breaker of all time. 1313 01:05:03,482 --> 01:05:06,652 Yes, it's already the biggest-grossing album 1314 01:05:06,736 --> 01:05:07,945 in the history of music. 1315 01:05:08,029 --> 01:05:09,989 ♪ I feel real, I feel real... ♪ 1316 01:05:10,072 --> 01:05:11,949 EARL: When that movie came out, we worked every day. 1317 01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:14,744 Wasn't a day we didn't work. It was unbelievable, 1318 01:05:14,827 --> 01:05:16,954 you know, how much money we made. 1319 01:05:17,038 --> 01:05:18,623 Had a suitcase going to the bank. 1320 01:05:18,706 --> 01:05:21,125 ♪ I feel real, I feel real... ♪ 1321 01:05:22,918 --> 01:05:24,420 KARL: The Bee Gees were a little surprised, 1322 01:05:24,503 --> 01:05:25,963 like everybody else. 1323 01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:29,842 It just mushroomed beyond what expectations would be. 1324 01:05:29,925 --> 01:05:34,221 They had a 727 plane, "Spirits Having Flown." 1325 01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:36,432 They sold out Dodger Stadium in L.A. 1326 01:05:36,515 --> 01:05:38,142 They sold out Madison Square Garden 1327 01:05:38,225 --> 01:05:39,602 for five nights in a row. 1328 01:05:41,228 --> 01:05:42,521 DENEY: I don't think anybody 1329 01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:46,651 really foresaw the phenomenon of this movie, 1330 01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:49,528 other than Robert Stigwood and John Travolta. 1331 01:05:49,612 --> 01:05:51,238 BILL: I remember, when we were shooting Grease, 1332 01:05:51,322 --> 01:05:54,033 John asking me, like, "So, what do you think about Fever?" 1333 01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:55,493 'Cause he wanted to know how it was shaping. 1334 01:05:55,576 --> 01:05:57,328 I said, "Well, you look great, you look fantastic." 1335 01:05:57,411 --> 01:05:59,455 He said, "No, is there any chance for, maybe like, 1336 01:05:59,538 --> 01:06:01,165 an Academy recognition for it?" 1337 01:06:01,248 --> 01:06:03,084 And I thought, "Oh, my God, this is ridiculous, 1338 01:06:03,167 --> 01:06:05,378 this is not an Academy movie, are you nuts?" 1339 01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:08,005 -Johnny! -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1340 01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:09,215 BILL: Well, he had the last laugh, 1341 01:06:09,298 --> 01:06:11,550 he got a nomination, Academy role for it. 1342 01:06:11,634 --> 01:06:13,260 -How are you? -INTERVIEWER: You want to win tonight? 1343 01:06:13,344 --> 01:06:15,763 -Sure, why not? -INTERVIEWER: What would the win mean tonight? 1344 01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:19,058 Terrific, terrific validation. 1345 01:06:19,141 --> 01:06:21,394 -INTERVIEWER: See you later! -(CROWD CHEERING) 1346 01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:23,854 ♪ (HOPEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1347 01:06:23,938 --> 01:06:25,189 PATRICK: Robert was so relieved 1348 01:06:25,272 --> 01:06:28,025 that he was right in every which way. 1349 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:30,152 Fever came out, and then Grease. 1350 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:33,823 (CROWD APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 1351 01:06:37,118 --> 01:06:39,161 KEVIN: No reason why kids should have liked it, 1352 01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:42,331 but Stigwood, brilliantly, got enough new music into it 1353 01:06:42,415 --> 01:06:44,792 that it was both recognizable but new again. 1354 01:06:46,210 --> 01:06:48,796 FREDDIE: Robert said, "I want two hit songs!" 1355 01:06:48,879 --> 01:06:50,881 This really happened, just like this. 1356 01:06:50,965 --> 01:06:55,970 He said, "I want two songs that could go with this script, 1357 01:06:56,053 --> 01:06:57,179 with this character, 1358 01:06:57,263 --> 01:07:00,683 and if I have two hits, I could sell this album." 1359 01:07:00,766 --> 01:07:02,685 ♪ (“YOU'RE THE ONE THAT I WANT” BY JOHN FARRAR PLAYING) ♪ 1360 01:07:02,768 --> 01:07:04,270 ♪ You are the one that I want ♪ 1361 01:07:04,353 --> 01:07:06,188 FREDDIE: They wrote "You're the One That I Want" 1362 01:07:06,272 --> 01:07:10,067 and '"Hopelessly Devoted to You" and it worked. 1363 01:07:10,151 --> 01:07:15,197 Grease sold 28 million albums. This was a big deal. 1364 01:07:15,281 --> 01:07:17,825 BILL: Those two movies, Saturday Night Fever and Grease, 1365 01:07:17,908 --> 01:07:21,537 carried Paramount through several fiscal quarters. 1366 01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:24,999 (BRITISH ACCENT) Robert, I'm over the moon about our three-picture deal 1367 01:07:25,082 --> 01:07:27,376 and that it has become so successful. 1368 01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:29,795 (LAUGHS) 1369 01:07:29,879 --> 01:07:33,048 The winner is, Evita, producer Robert Stigwood. 1370 01:07:33,132 --> 01:07:36,969 (CROWD APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 1371 01:07:37,052 --> 01:07:39,472 TIM: I mean, from about '75 to '80, 1372 01:07:39,555 --> 01:07:42,266 almost everything that was successful was Robert Stigwood. 1373 01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:45,311 You know, Grease, Tommy, Superstar, Evita, 1374 01:07:45,394 --> 01:07:48,981 RSO Records, the Bee Gees, Saturday Night Fever. 1375 01:07:49,064 --> 01:07:52,067 He had all these things going at once, more or less. 1376 01:07:53,986 --> 01:07:56,280 KEVIN: He's on the cover of Newsweek, and, you know, 1377 01:07:56,363 --> 01:07:57,782 we used to jokingly say to each other, 1378 01:07:57,865 --> 01:08:00,326 if only they knew how mad this all is. 1379 01:08:03,537 --> 01:08:06,123 PATRICK: There was so much money flowing in at the time. 1380 01:08:06,207 --> 01:08:08,000 In the New York office, the flower bills 1381 01:08:08,083 --> 01:08:11,504 were something like 15,000 dollars a month. 1382 01:08:13,631 --> 01:08:15,341 I mean, the amount of money that was spent 1383 01:08:15,424 --> 01:08:19,136 by everybody in the office, let's say, was just staggering. 1384 01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:20,930 But, you know, it was there to be enjoyed. 1385 01:08:21,013 --> 01:08:22,431 That's what Robert said, you know, 1386 01:08:22,515 --> 01:08:23,974 "Rather my guys enjoy it, 1387 01:08:24,058 --> 01:08:26,727 rather than pay the IRS too much money." 1388 01:08:28,437 --> 01:08:30,314 KEVIN: You know, and within a couple of years, 1389 01:08:30,397 --> 01:08:33,651 you know, it had started to change. 1390 01:08:33,734 --> 01:08:35,653 -(CROWD CHEERING) -MAN 1: Turn all the lights on! 1391 01:08:35,736 --> 01:08:37,571 This sign was the original sign 1392 01:08:37,655 --> 01:08:40,324 used when they made all the posters 1393 01:08:40,407 --> 01:08:43,661 -for Saturday Night Fever! -(CROWD JEERING) 1394 01:08:43,744 --> 01:08:46,580 Let's give them the salute, ladies and gentlemen. 1395 01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:49,917 MAN 2: It's time to ring out the old and bring in the new! 1396 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,710 (CROWD CHEERING) 1397 01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:54,130 'Cause we've got something to say about that. 1398 01:08:54,922 --> 01:08:57,925 ♪ I hate disco music ♪ 1399 01:08:58,008 --> 01:09:00,719 ♪ 'Cause disco music Really sucks ♪ 1400 01:09:00,803 --> 01:09:01,971 That's right. 1401 01:09:02,054 --> 01:09:05,140 ♪ And I hate disco music ♪ 1402 01:09:05,224 --> 01:09:07,726 ♪ 'Cause disco music Really sucks ♪ 1403 01:09:07,810 --> 01:09:09,311 ♪ ("DISCO AT AL'S" BY JAMES O'CONNELL PLAYING) ♪ 1404 01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:12,523 ♪ Disco sucks Turn off the radio ♪ 1405 01:09:12,606 --> 01:09:15,484 ♪ Disco sucks 'Cause I don't wanna hear it ♪ 1406 01:09:15,568 --> 01:09:16,861 BILL: I think it was that natural pushback 1407 01:09:16,944 --> 01:09:19,363 that anything really successful gets at some point. 1408 01:09:19,446 --> 01:09:21,949 -♪ Disco sucks ♪ -It had become so mainstream, 1409 01:09:22,032 --> 01:09:23,242 that anywhere you went in the world, 1410 01:09:23,325 --> 01:09:25,369 weddings, funerals, they always played disco music. 1411 01:09:25,452 --> 01:09:27,079 ♪ Disco sucks ♪ 1412 01:09:27,162 --> 01:09:28,163 MAN: I hate disco. 1413 01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:29,415 -INTERVIEWER: Yeah? -It's a snore. 1414 01:09:29,498 --> 01:09:31,917 -I think it sucks, man! -Disco sucks! 1415 01:09:32,001 --> 01:09:33,460 Disco is a disease! 1416 01:09:34,336 --> 01:09:36,005 RICHARD: Why does it suck? 1417 01:09:36,088 --> 01:09:37,965 Because that's something gay men do. 1418 01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:39,925 ♪ Disco sucks ♪ 1419 01:09:40,009 --> 01:09:41,468 RICHARD: It was about the fact that these people 1420 01:09:41,552 --> 01:09:44,179 were asserting themselves and shouldn't have. 1421 01:09:44,263 --> 01:09:47,266 I saw Ted Nugent last Saturday, you know what he said about it? 1422 01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:49,018 He said he was glad for disco 1423 01:09:49,101 --> 01:09:51,312 because it kept them away from his concerts. (LAUGHS) 1424 01:09:51,395 --> 01:09:53,647 He says, "Those guys don't come close to me, boy." 1425 01:09:53,731 --> 01:09:54,732 ♪ Disco sucks ♪ 1426 01:09:54,815 --> 01:09:56,400 NEWSCASTER: Fifty thousand people got in 1427 01:09:56,483 --> 01:09:58,777 before the White Sox called upon Chicago Police 1428 01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:00,029 to help close the gate. 1429 01:10:00,112 --> 01:10:02,448 It was billed as "Disco Demolition Night." 1430 01:10:02,531 --> 01:10:03,741 Then came the main event, 1431 01:10:03,824 --> 01:10:07,494 a crate of disco records was blown up in center field. 1432 01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:10,581 ♪ I don't wanna hear it I don't wanna hear it ♪ 1433 01:10:10,664 --> 01:10:12,333 ♪ 'Cause disco sucks ♪ 1434 01:10:13,667 --> 01:10:15,586 BILL: It was directed very much at the Bee Gees, 1435 01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:16,795 more than disco I think. 1436 01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:18,631 It was they were fed up with the Bee Gees, 1437 01:10:18,714 --> 01:10:20,466 it was weird. 1438 01:10:20,549 --> 01:10:22,384 The Bee Gees were upset about that, 1439 01:10:22,468 --> 01:10:24,428 you know, having all their records burnt 1440 01:10:24,511 --> 01:10:26,096 in the middle of a ballpark. 1441 01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:27,973 (CHUCKLES) Who wouldn't be? 1442 01:10:28,057 --> 01:10:30,309 BARRY: We're not really a disco group, we do all kinds of music. 1443 01:10:30,392 --> 01:10:32,144 And what happened with Saturday Night Fever, 1444 01:10:32,228 --> 01:10:33,729 is we actually were asked to write the music 1445 01:10:33,812 --> 01:10:34,855 and we did so, 1446 01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:37,107 and they used the film as a disco film, 1447 01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:39,234 which we didn't, weren't aware that is what they were going to do, 1448 01:10:39,318 --> 01:10:43,155 was going to be done. And the music, I think the songs 1449 01:10:43,238 --> 01:10:44,698 stand on their own apart from disco. 1450 01:10:44,782 --> 01:10:46,241 If "Stayin' Alive" had come out five years ago, 1451 01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:47,785 no one would have called it a disco record. 1452 01:10:47,868 --> 01:10:49,370 It's as simple as that. 1453 01:10:51,288 --> 01:10:54,959 KEVIN: Saturday Night Fever was the apotheosis of disco. 1454 01:10:55,042 --> 01:10:57,086 Then all bets were off. 1455 01:10:57,169 --> 01:11:00,130 ROMAN RICARDO: The film definitely expedited disco's death. 1456 01:11:00,214 --> 01:11:01,966 It took the mystery out of it. 1457 01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:04,802 There was no cool scene around it anymore. 1458 01:11:04,885 --> 01:11:09,223 VINCE ALETTI: Once everybody is going out in Suburbia, USA, 1459 01:11:09,306 --> 01:11:12,184 and pretending that they're John Travolta, 1460 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,061 it's done, it's done. 1461 01:11:15,396 --> 01:11:17,815 Anything that big, it has to end. 1462 01:11:17,898 --> 01:11:20,943 The success, I knew, was going to be a problem. 1463 01:11:21,026 --> 01:11:23,237 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1464 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,864 NEWSCASTER: The movie Saturday Night Fever grossed record earnings 1465 01:11:25,948 --> 01:11:27,658 and escalated actor John Travolta 1466 01:11:27,741 --> 01:11:29,243 to the heights of superstardom. 1467 01:11:29,326 --> 01:11:31,787 Practically everyone involved made a bundle on the film. 1468 01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:34,832 But there's one man who says he should've made a bundle, but didn't. 1469 01:11:34,915 --> 01:11:37,459 He's taking action to see to it that he does. 1470 01:11:37,543 --> 01:11:40,379 KEVIN: Some guy who said he spoke to Nik in Brooklyn, 1471 01:11:40,462 --> 01:11:43,173 somebody quite specific, took it to court. 1472 01:11:43,257 --> 01:11:46,093 INTERVIEWER: What makes you think that Tony Manero is you? 1473 01:11:46,176 --> 01:11:49,680 EUGENE "TONY" ROBINSON: I know, because I was interviewed by Nik Cohn, 1474 01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:51,098 who wrote the original script, 1475 01:11:51,181 --> 01:11:52,433 "Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night," 1476 01:11:52,516 --> 01:11:53,767 and it was developed from that article 1477 01:11:53,851 --> 01:11:56,228 in New York Magazine. 1478 01:11:56,311 --> 01:11:57,771 ELIZABETH: From what I understood, Nik Cohn 1479 01:11:57,855 --> 01:12:00,858 came down to the club one night, was observing stuff. 1480 01:12:00,941 --> 01:12:02,526 JOE: I'm not sure-- Don't quote me on it. 1481 01:12:02,609 --> 01:12:04,695 I know they-- Somebody was interviewing somebody. 1482 01:12:04,778 --> 01:12:06,280 ALEX: Basically, there was a guy coming down, 1483 01:12:06,363 --> 01:12:09,867 asking about this, you know, all different questions. 1484 01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:13,537 In filing the suit, what are you really after? 1485 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,164 I would like Paramount themselves to come out 1486 01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:16,874 and admit that I'm the character, 1487 01:12:16,957 --> 01:12:19,043 and I would like these writers to back down, 1488 01:12:19,126 --> 01:12:21,170 and admit that it's my original gem. 1489 01:12:22,546 --> 01:12:25,424 KEVIN: That lawsuit went on for a number of years, 1490 01:12:25,507 --> 01:12:27,051 and in the end, Nik said, "I don't know what 1491 01:12:27,134 --> 01:12:28,761 this guy's talking about. I made it up." 1492 01:12:28,844 --> 01:12:32,514 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1493 01:12:49,114 --> 01:12:50,783 NIK: I made up the main character 1494 01:12:50,866 --> 01:12:53,702 and built him around a Mod I had known 1495 01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,829 in London in the '60s. 1496 01:12:55,913 --> 01:12:58,749 There was a certain degree of authenticity about it 1497 01:12:58,832 --> 01:13:02,002 in the sense that I had watched the various rituals, 1498 01:13:02,086 --> 01:13:04,588 so the attitudes of the main character 1499 01:13:04,671 --> 01:13:07,841 in terms of his mates, that was observed. 1500 01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:10,135 The actual character himself did not exist, 1501 01:13:10,219 --> 01:13:12,012 I have to say I made that up. 1502 01:13:14,306 --> 01:13:15,974 They were guesses, 1503 01:13:16,058 --> 01:13:19,478 and trying to put myself in somebody else's shoes. 1504 01:13:20,729 --> 01:13:24,566 When I looked at any group of young teenagers, 1505 01:13:24,650 --> 01:13:27,444 in any culture, it was just, 1506 01:13:27,528 --> 01:13:29,988 I wonder what it's like to be that way. 1507 01:13:30,072 --> 01:13:34,493 So my imagination would go, and that's what came out. 1508 01:13:37,955 --> 01:13:39,790 ELIZABETH: So he didn't even really talk to some kid 1509 01:13:39,873 --> 01:13:42,709 named Tony Manero? Oh, my God. 1510 01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:04,565 (SEAGULLS CAWING) 1511 01:14:18,203 --> 01:14:24,710 ♪ (DOWNCAST MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1512 01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:45,022 NIK: For a long time, he had just an infallible touch, 1513 01:14:45,105 --> 01:14:47,232 and then, suddenly, he didn't. 1514 01:14:48,942 --> 01:14:51,069 FREDDIE: Moment by Moment was a disaster 1515 01:14:51,153 --> 01:14:54,573 and humiliating to him. A horrifically bad movie. 1516 01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:57,951 It may be too early to pick the worst movies of the year, 1517 01:14:58,035 --> 01:15:00,454 but it is not too early to cite one of the worst movies 1518 01:15:00,537 --> 01:15:01,830 in the past ten years. 1519 01:15:01,914 --> 01:15:04,374 Maybe the worst big-budget movie ever made. 1520 01:15:04,458 --> 01:15:07,127 It is Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. 1521 01:15:08,170 --> 01:15:09,505 (ENERGY ZAPPING) 1522 01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:14,343 TIM: The Sgt. Pepper film and album just was a disaster. 1523 01:15:14,426 --> 01:15:17,471 It was a bad idea, looking back on it. 1524 01:15:17,554 --> 01:15:20,474 But I'm trying to remember what other flops he had. 1525 01:15:20,557 --> 01:15:26,146 ♪ (“FAR FROM OVER” BY FRANK STALLONE PLAYING) ♪ 1526 01:15:30,025 --> 01:15:31,527 BILL: We did the sequel to Saturday Night Fever 1527 01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:34,279 called Staying Alive, which was not enjoyable for me. 1528 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:35,447 ♪ This is the end ♪ 1529 01:15:37,616 --> 01:15:42,621 ♪ You made your choice And now my chance is over ♪ 1530 01:15:42,704 --> 01:15:45,165 BILL: Stallone was the director and I was the English meat 1531 01:15:45,249 --> 01:15:47,542 in this rather weird Italian sandwich, 1532 01:15:47,626 --> 01:15:50,045 with Travolta on one side, and Stallone on the other, 1533 01:15:50,128 --> 01:15:52,673 and it was me in the middle, as producer of the film by then. 1534 01:15:57,844 --> 01:15:59,763 But, I mean, we were just retreading. 1535 01:16:00,973 --> 01:16:03,267 And I think Robert's interest sort of... 1536 01:16:03,976 --> 01:16:05,435 well really, it went away. 1537 01:16:08,814 --> 01:16:13,610 (SHIP HORN BLARING) 1538 01:16:13,694 --> 01:16:15,279 BILL: And he folded up his record company, 1539 01:16:15,362 --> 01:16:18,907 and moved to Bermuda, and never really went back. 1540 01:16:22,411 --> 01:16:28,834 ♪ (DREAMY PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1541 01:16:34,256 --> 01:16:36,633 PATRICK: He decided to lift his foot a little bit 1542 01:16:36,717 --> 01:16:39,261 and go into yachting for a couple of years. 1543 01:16:40,971 --> 01:16:43,515 -MAN 1: Oh, wow, look at this! -MAN 2: Look at that! 1544 01:16:43,598 --> 01:16:48,145 (MAN CHEERING) 1545 01:16:50,188 --> 01:16:52,316 PATRICK: He had his retreat in Bermuda. 1546 01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:55,152 A beautiful place in Bermuda where he would spend, 1547 01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:57,529 -you know, months on end. -(MAN CHEERING) 1548 01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:03,744 KEVIN: He became fantastically wealthy. 1549 01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:06,121 JAMES: I watched Robert make, 1550 01:17:06,204 --> 01:17:07,873 you know, a billion dollars for Paramount 1551 01:17:07,956 --> 01:17:10,667 within three years. I think 300 million of it 1552 01:17:10,751 --> 01:17:12,586 wound up in his pocket. 1553 01:17:12,669 --> 01:17:15,547 FREDDIE: If you sell 22 million soundtrack albums, 1554 01:17:15,630 --> 01:17:17,382 and you're averaging four dollars an album 1555 01:17:17,466 --> 01:17:20,552 as your profit, that's 88 million dollars more, 1556 01:17:20,635 --> 01:17:23,096 and you're not splitting that with the studio, 1557 01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:26,933 because Paramount never had a piece of the album. 1558 01:17:28,727 --> 01:17:31,229 BILL: The studio wasn't interested in soundtracks. 1559 01:17:31,313 --> 01:17:32,689 They said, "Soundtracks don't sell." 1560 01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:34,775 So he said, "Fine, I'll keep it." 1561 01:17:34,858 --> 01:17:39,029 Which was kind of a mistake on their part, I think. 1562 01:17:39,112 --> 01:17:42,157 That was probably one of Robert's lasting great achievements, 1563 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,078 is to wake up the synergy between records and film. 1564 01:17:46,161 --> 01:17:47,371 You saw the film, you'd buy the album. 1565 01:17:47,454 --> 01:17:50,082 You listened to the album, you'd go to the movie. 1566 01:17:50,165 --> 01:17:53,251 KEVIN: The soundtrack became part of the way 1567 01:17:53,335 --> 01:17:56,797 that you looked at a movie's success or failure. 1568 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,590 You know, Urban Cowboy, let's see 1569 01:17:58,673 --> 01:18:01,760 if there's a country music application to it. 1570 01:18:01,843 --> 01:18:03,595 ♪ (“WHAT A FEELING” BY IRENE CARA PLAYING) ♪ 1571 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:06,973 KEVIN: It just became this crazy phenomenon. 1572 01:18:07,057 --> 01:18:09,267 -♪ (“DANGER ZONE” BY KENNY LOGGINS PLAYING) ♪ -Top Gun was successful 1573 01:18:09,351 --> 01:18:11,645 on its own, but music certainly helped it. 1574 01:18:11,728 --> 01:18:14,398 ♪ (“I'VE HAD THE TIME OF MY LIFE” BY BILL MEDLEY, JENNIFER WARNES PLAYING) ♪ 1575 01:18:14,481 --> 01:18:16,858 And it went on for a really long time. 1576 01:18:20,821 --> 01:18:23,907 ♪ (DREAMY PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1577 01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:27,244 Robert really did change a lot of things. 1578 01:18:28,703 --> 01:18:30,122 The good news was he made more money 1579 01:18:30,205 --> 01:18:31,957 than he ever could have imagined. 1580 01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,085 And I suppose the bad news is once he did that, 1581 01:18:35,168 --> 01:18:36,628 I think the incentive 1582 01:18:36,711 --> 01:18:39,506 to keep working, to keep plugged in, 1583 01:18:39,589 --> 01:18:41,800 to keep looking for new things, went away. 1584 01:18:43,802 --> 01:18:47,764 (WAVES CRASHING) 1585 01:18:47,848 --> 01:18:51,059 NIK: There was a great loneliness at the heart of him. 1586 01:18:51,143 --> 01:18:52,978 He was always very unsure of himself. 1587 01:18:53,061 --> 01:18:57,107 Pink-faced, not comfortable, he was never comfortable. 1588 01:18:57,190 --> 01:18:58,442 He was only close to the people 1589 01:18:58,525 --> 01:19:01,987 who was in his very immediate circle, 1590 01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:04,281 basically lived with him. 1591 01:19:04,364 --> 01:19:07,701 I mean, the beautiful boys flitted in and out. 1592 01:19:09,411 --> 01:19:10,787 (LAUGHS) 1593 01:19:10,871 --> 01:19:13,415 ROBERT: Well, I had you, if you didn't make that move, 1594 01:19:13,498 --> 01:19:14,958 I had you checkmated. 1595 01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:16,418 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1596 01:19:17,335 --> 01:19:18,503 (ROBERT GROANING) 1597 01:19:20,714 --> 01:19:22,924 PATRICK: He fell in love with Barry, with me, 1598 01:19:23,008 --> 01:19:24,551 with everyone around him. 1599 01:19:24,634 --> 01:19:27,262 And then, all you had to do was put the record straight. 1600 01:19:27,345 --> 01:19:31,183 And that was it, then he was happy to be around you. 1601 01:19:31,266 --> 01:19:34,311 So, he wasn't pushing anything to anyone. 1602 01:19:34,394 --> 01:19:35,729 ROBERT: Yes. 1603 01:19:35,812 --> 01:19:38,190 They're cheating again. 1604 01:19:38,273 --> 01:19:41,610 -MAN: Would you believe that? -The two, he gives them advice. 1605 01:19:47,741 --> 01:19:51,286 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1606 01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:52,621 NIK: His deepest instinct, 1607 01:19:52,704 --> 01:19:57,167 I think, was still to just charge, madly, 1608 01:19:57,250 --> 01:20:00,170 don't think about the odds, just keep going. 1609 01:20:01,588 --> 01:20:03,215 But that's impossible to sustain, 1610 01:20:03,298 --> 01:20:06,218 there comes a day where you just can't keep doing that. 1611 01:20:06,968 --> 01:20:09,679 And the culture's moved on, 1612 01:20:09,763 --> 01:20:12,098 and you no longer have the feel for it. 1613 01:20:12,182 --> 01:20:14,392 And part of the art is, 1614 01:20:14,476 --> 01:20:16,228 at that point, getting off the train, 1615 01:20:17,187 --> 01:20:18,480 and that's what he did. 1616 01:20:20,857 --> 01:20:26,988 ♪ (DREAMY PIANO MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1617 01:20:27,072 --> 01:20:32,827 (SEAGULLS CAWING) 1618 01:20:47,133 --> 01:20:49,010 ♪ (PIANO MELODY CONCLUDES) ♪ 1619 01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:56,476 ♪ (“HEART OF GLASS” BY BLONDIE PLAYING) ♪ 1620 01:21:04,568 --> 01:21:08,822 ♪ Once I had a love And it was a gas ♪ 1621 01:21:08,905 --> 01:21:11,992 ♪ Soon turned out Had a heart of glass ♪ 1622 01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:17,247 ♪ Seemed like the real thing Only to find ♪ 1623 01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:20,208 ♪ Mucho mistrust Love's gone behind ♪ 1624 01:21:27,841 --> 01:21:31,970 ♪ Once I had a love And it was divine ♪ 1625 01:21:32,053 --> 01:21:36,016 ♪ Soon found out I was losing my mind ♪ 1626 01:21:36,099 --> 01:21:40,395 ♪ It seemed like the real thing But I was so blind ♪ 1627 01:21:40,478 --> 01:21:43,273 ♪ Mucho mistrust Love's gone behind ♪ 1628 01:21:46,818 --> 01:21:48,695 ♪ In between ♪ 1629 01:21:48,778 --> 01:21:52,782 ♪ What I find is pleasing And I'm feeling fine ♪ 1630 01:21:52,866 --> 01:21:57,120 ♪ Love is so confusing There's no peace of mind ♪ 1631 01:21:57,203 --> 01:22:01,124 ♪ If I fear I'm losing you It's just no good ♪ 1632 01:22:01,207 --> 01:22:03,627 ♪ You teasing like you do ♪ 126553

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