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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,480 Somebody offers you a million dollars, you're going to take it. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,540 Unless you've got to kill somebody, then you might not be interested. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,160 One of the early middlemen was Jerry Colombo. In order to do this scam, Jerry 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,020 Jacobson started finding other middlemen, A .J. Blum and Dwight Baker. 5 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:28,680 We were up on Dwight's phone. We start to figure out, is there anything with 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,800 this person, George Chandler? Yeah, there might be something there. 7 00:00:32,910 --> 00:00:37,250 Dwight came to me with the million -dollar winning ticket. He asked me 8 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:40,810 be interested in buying the ticket from him and then redeeming. So I did it. 9 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:43,390 He didn't need to have any knowledge of anything. 10 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:46,430 I tried to protect him from the truth of it. 11 00:00:47,070 --> 00:00:50,590 One day, Jerry told me there was a half -a -million -dollar game piece, and I 12 00:00:50,590 --> 00:00:54,430 wanted it. I made arrangements with my wife's sister, Brenda, to split it. She 13 00:00:54,430 --> 00:00:57,770 turned in the game piece and decided that she was going to run with the 14 00:00:57,950 --> 00:00:59,730 Did you try to stop her? Yeah. 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,540 So we found out that Dwight Baker made a phone call to Brenda Phoenix. Didn't 16 00:01:05,540 --> 00:01:08,300 quite disconnect the phone. He's following her to the airport. 17 00:01:08,620 --> 00:01:12,160 There was a lot of concern on that. What are we going to do if they are really 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,040 going to harm her? Have to intervene, but one little slip up could shut it 19 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:56,890 My name is Jerry Jacobson, and my father is Jerry Jerome Jacobson. 20 00:01:59,270 --> 00:02:00,270 Come here, boys. 21 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:02,410 Come here. 22 00:02:03,010 --> 00:02:04,010 Bailey, come here. 23 00:02:06,390 --> 00:02:10,750 A group in Miami, Florida. Once my mom got divorced from him, he cut all ties. 24 00:02:10,990 --> 00:02:13,610 I was three years old when they got divorced. 25 00:02:14,210 --> 00:02:18,850 So this is a picture of me as a baby with my dad and my mom's dad. 26 00:02:19,709 --> 00:02:24,470 My mom called, had him arrested for back child support when I was 13, and that's 27 00:02:24,470 --> 00:02:25,470 when he popped on the radar. 28 00:02:25,910 --> 00:02:27,710 That's when I really met him for the first time. 29 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:33,550 During the summer, I would go fly up to Atlanta and go spend, you know, three or 30 00:02:33,550 --> 00:02:36,590 four weeks up there with him, kind of getting to know him a little bit. I 31 00:02:36,590 --> 00:02:37,650 believe he was living with Allison. 32 00:02:39,330 --> 00:02:43,070 This is actually a picture of the wedding party when my dad and Linda got 33 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:44,070 married. 34 00:02:45,150 --> 00:02:46,830 That's my mom in the picture with me and him. 35 00:02:47,290 --> 00:02:50,210 I think it's one of the only pictures I have with the three of us together. 36 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:52,870 My mom, Carol Cody. 37 00:02:53,530 --> 00:03:00,290 I was his 38 00:03:00,290 --> 00:03:01,290 third marriage. 39 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:03,090 Really, I was his fourth. 40 00:03:04,150 --> 00:03:06,370 Out of, I think we counted seven. 41 00:03:07,050 --> 00:03:08,050 Wait a minute. 42 00:03:08,530 --> 00:03:13,990 Phyllis, Carol, Daryl, me. 43 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:24,320 Allison and Linda. He's been married six times, and if he was married with that 44 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 marriage license down in Miami, it's seven. 45 00:03:29,020 --> 00:03:33,080 The very first time I got the first text about the possibility of a documentary 46 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:39,540 series, within two minutes, I got a phone call 47 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:45,780 saying, hey, if anybody calls or talks to you or... 48 00:03:46,170 --> 00:03:49,050 wants to talk about this thing, don't do it. 49 00:03:53,950 --> 00:03:57,310 Obviously, I'm not going to call him and ask permission to do this with you 50 00:03:57,310 --> 00:04:00,990 guys. I think this is my way of... 51 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:05,670 my way of having maybe a little bit of closure. 52 00:04:10,310 --> 00:04:12,930 This is definitely going to put the nail in the coffin for our relationship. 53 00:04:17,159 --> 00:04:18,260 I mean, what I'm okay with. 54 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:36,390 I tried to keep her mouth shut, but it didn't work. 55 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:39,530 I knew that I had to do something. 56 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:43,030 She was gonna run with the money. 57 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,340 No. I didn't threaten to kill her. 58 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:14,720 I just told my wife, I said, we can't do this in the airport. 59 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,100 I meant we can't confront her in the airport. 60 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,940 I didn't mean anything other than we cannot confront her in the airport. 61 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:30,620 It turned out to be a misunderstanding, but you still have to run it out to make 62 00:06:30,620 --> 00:06:31,620 sure. 63 00:06:32,570 --> 00:06:35,710 You know, the long and short of it is it wasn't a valid threat. 64 00:06:37,750 --> 00:06:42,990 Right after that, my wife took her sister to the bank to cash the check and 65 00:06:42,990 --> 00:06:48,090 attached to the hips with her until she did the right thing with the money. 66 00:06:48,810 --> 00:06:49,810 Yeah. 67 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:56,930 So after that airport drama, we started to focus on Dwight even more. 68 00:06:57,310 --> 00:06:59,590 So we're up on these wiretaps. 69 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:04,400 and Rick and I hear something's happening with Uncle Jerry. 70 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,060 A phone call was intercepted between Jacobson and Dwight Baker. 71 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:12,920 The conversation was that Jacobson and Dwight were going to meet for the 72 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,240 exchange of a winning piece. 73 00:07:15,020 --> 00:07:18,480 That exchange was going to happen somewhere in Georgia. 74 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:25,040 And they say on the phone, I'll be there in an hour or an hour and 15 minutes or 75 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,520 something like that. We had that window. 76 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,580 They didn't name the place where they were going to meet, but they gave hints. 77 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,940 The usual place, you mean along the highway? Yeah, along the highway. 78 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:37,940 So we hurried up, we got on the map, and we figured out that it was somewhere 79 00:07:37,940 --> 00:07:39,680 along 85 near Atlanta. 80 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:42,360 We had a certain area, but we didn't know. 81 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:44,480 I mean, we thought, but we weren't sure. 82 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:49,220 So I got on the phone with Atlanta to tell them, hey, this is what's coming 83 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,820 So they were queued up and ready. They mobilized quick. 84 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,680 They had to get there and get visual. 85 00:07:57,390 --> 00:08:04,010 I mean, we had air support, surveillance group down in their cars. We're looking 86 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:08,490 at rest areas, places on the side of the road, everywhere it was on. 87 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:12,930 I remember looking at this golf resort north of Atlanta. 88 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:14,770 It's got to be this place. 89 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:17,310 It seems to be about halfway. It's got to be. 90 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,460 Where would you guys meet? Did you go to his house? 91 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:39,539 Met at his house one time. 92 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,060 He sat there with Ilan at a winery between here and there. It's halfway. 93 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:51,900 Sometimes we'd eat. Sometimes we'd just sit in the car and trade money and game 94 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:52,900 pieces. 95 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Yeah. 96 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:02,460 We actually had an FBI pilot up in the air and could actually see Mr. 97 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:03,820 Jacobson handing. 98 00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:06,400 Mr. Baker, something in a folder. 99 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:08,920 There it was. 100 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,980 And off they go. 101 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:32,380 The video evidence speaks volumes of the illegal acts that they're doing. It's 102 00:09:32,380 --> 00:09:33,359 pretty short. 103 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,800 But, Sweet, we got to know. 104 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,760 It was about the end of the summer, and the game is ending. 105 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,740 We weren't going to have another game. 106 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,300 We already have identified Jerry. 107 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:56,980 We had identified Mr. 108 00:09:57,220 --> 00:10:00,320 Baker and Fair Play. We had identified Mr. 109 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,060 We had identified and videoed Mr. 110 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:06,840 Hoover, and we had several others. 111 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,840 All right, Devereaux's good. 112 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,980 He's laying out the indictment, the arrest warrant. We're going to take this 113 00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:22,640 through the grand jury, get the true bills, which is the indictment, and 114 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,860 going to go out and effect these arrests. 115 00:10:25,260 --> 00:10:29,980 In this case, the charges were conspiracy and... 116 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:31,119 Mail fraud. 117 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,160 If you use the United States mail in furtherance of a scheme in artifice to 118 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,900 defraud, that's penalized by up to 20 years in prison. 119 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:49,060 The initial stage was the indictment of the first eight. So the first thing that 120 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:52,660 was going to make the news, that was going to alert all the other winners 121 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,900 hey, the gig is over, was the end of August, August 21st. 122 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:03,100 Everybody was spread across the country, and so we ended up having to request 123 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:08,240 the assistance of numerous offices spread entirely across the United 124 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:13,780 You have to provide those agents enough information to make arrests. 125 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,500 So, in anticipation of the takedown, we had prepared a very, very lengthy 126 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:23,140 communication. So it's our whole plan. 127 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,320 The background of the investigation, I mean, this communication was probably 20 128 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,400 or 30 pages long. 129 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,780 Very, very specific. 130 00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:35,900 In -depth. Puts you right there, like everything. 131 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,180 We faxed it, and I'm not going to say who did it. I'll say I didn't, but there 132 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:49,420 may have been somebody I know very closely that did it that would deny it. 133 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:51,700 Doesn't matter who it was, but... 134 00:11:52,170 --> 00:11:58,030 On the speed dial, which I never used speed dial, but the agent sending that 135 00:11:58,030 --> 00:12:03,930 plan thought that the speed dial, in fact, said Greenville FBI, when in fact 136 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:05,670 said the Greenville News. 137 00:12:12,830 --> 00:12:17,050 It ends up being probably the worst person in the world, a news agency. 138 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:24,260 Now this is a big issue now, right? Like all the stuff out there. Now you've got 139 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:27,940 people that might be waiting on agents to come arrest them and all this. It's 140 00:12:27,940 --> 00:12:28,940 bad, bad, bad. 141 00:12:30,260 --> 00:12:32,740 Rick Dent's big head was sweating bad. 142 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:38,020 Devereux was sweating it. Chris Graham was losing weight over that. 143 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:44,460 I remember being really, really angry about it. Like, you know, how in the 144 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:46,720 world, you know, how could this happen? 145 00:12:47,740 --> 00:12:53,150 You know, now it's... How do we fix it? How do we keep them from going with the 146 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:58,570 story? After all this work, this could really screw things up. 147 00:13:12,950 --> 00:13:17,510 My name is John Boynosky. In 2001, I was a reporter for the Greenville News. 148 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,660 I had been there about six or seven months, and I was a crime and courts 149 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:22,660 reporter. 150 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,260 So anything that, you know, kind of bad happened, you know, anything that had 151 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:28,820 anything official -looking document that came across the facts would come to my 152 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:29,820 desk. 153 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:35,340 So I came in on a Monday morning, and there was a stapled thing on my chair. 154 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,820 And I picked it up, and I thought, FBI on it. 155 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,940 Three paragraphs in, I'm thinking, this doesn't sound right. This is an open 156 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:44,520 investigation. Like, they're talking about surveillance in here? And I'm 157 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:46,560 at first, like, oh, it's the background. I'm like... No. 158 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:50,040 And I start flipping through all surveillance stuff and like background 159 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,180 information. I'm like, I don't think this is supposed to be going to John 160 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:55,320 Oski in the Greenville News. 161 00:13:55,940 --> 00:13:59,500 I remember I turned around my chair and I got my boss. I'm like, Dave, did you 162 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:02,240 look at this? Like, where did this come from? He's like, yeah, I kind of looked 163 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,060 at him like, Dave, I think we have an open FBI investigation. 164 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:09,720 He's like, what? And we start looking at it. His eyes kind of go like this. 165 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,020 I'm 24 years old. I'm trying to make my name for myself. I want to write a 166 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:15,580 story. I'm like, we have, you know. 167 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:20,900 Exclusive, you know, McDonald's investigation, FBI look into a big fraud 168 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:27,400 So Mark Devereux's first response was, jump in the Bureau plane, slide down to 169 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,400 South Carolina. 170 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,820 Each office surveillance squad has usually a Cessna 160 or something. If 171 00:14:33,820 --> 00:14:38,060 were ever in a Volkswagen bug in the early 70s, it's like a lawnmower in the 172 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:39,060 sky. 173 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,740 I'm looking at that going, no way in hell I want to be part of that again, 174 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:43,980 And Devereux. 175 00:14:44,270 --> 00:14:48,130 Being in that controlled -ass environment with him in a Tide bottle, 176 00:14:48,130 --> 00:14:51,470 only way you got to pee. Can you imagine that? I mean, that's an awful situation 177 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:52,470 to be in. 178 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:57,910 Literally, we get in a plane, fly from Jacksonville to South Carolina that 179 00:14:57,910 --> 00:15:04,310 to do our best to ensure that that faux pas didn't cause a 180 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:06,050 significant embarrassment. 181 00:15:06,770 --> 00:15:08,350 That plane sucked. 182 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:19,820 I can tell you at that point in time, that news agency had no requirement to 183 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:20,820 keep it quiet. 184 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,460 We did beg, plead, asking them if they would be kind enough basically to keep 185 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:28,460 that to themselves. 186 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,320 There was a little bit of, you know, what are we going to get for it? 187 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:39,820 Can't say we bribed them, but I will say that we gave them an opportunity to... 188 00:15:40,990 --> 00:15:47,210 be able to take a photograph possibly following the arrest in connection with 189 00:15:47,210 --> 00:15:48,210 the investigation. 190 00:15:48,450 --> 00:15:51,390 Their thing was, if you could just give us the exclusive. 191 00:15:51,810 --> 00:15:56,890 It was something at least to sweeten the deal and thank them for covering up the 192 00:15:56,890 --> 00:16:01,930 mistake that Special Agent Matthews, I mean, I didn't say that, may have made. 193 00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:07,910 So I want to say, now that I'm saying and remembering all this, that was not 194 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:09,590 that faxed that freaking thing over. 195 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:11,150 It was somebody else. 196 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:18,270 I can promise you, every time I use a fax machine, I check it not once, not 197 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:20,690 twice, but at least three times. 198 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:26,550 If anybody ever knew how close this was just to blowing up, right? I know that 199 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:31,650 those subjects who may see this would go, damn it, how did that not happen? 200 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,380 Too bad, right? Didn't. We were the good guys. It always works better for the 201 00:16:36,380 --> 00:16:39,400 good guys. We always find a way, which is what I'm saying happened there. 202 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:51,820 The night 203 00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:57,440 before Attorney General Ashcroft, he gave the go -ahead to take the action. 204 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:06,240 Day of the takedown, it's a very early morning, probably anywhere from 5 o 205 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,740 'clock in the morning. You're getting up and making sure everybody's ready. 206 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:12,060 Regardless of whether you believe the person is violent or not, you still have 207 00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:15,980 to be very careful as to your tactical approach any time that you engage in the 208 00:17:15,980 --> 00:17:19,140 arrest of an individual because you're taking away their liberties, and they 209 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:20,140 pretty much know that. 210 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,540 The arrests were scheduled to all go down at the same time so that there 211 00:17:24,540 --> 00:17:25,540 wouldn't be conversation. 212 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:28,560 And Jacksonville sent agents. 213 00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:34,570 to each location so that somebody that's familiar with the case will be able to 214 00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:36,250 be there to help with the arrest. 215 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:43,890 My role that day as the supervisor over the squad in the command post was really 216 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:45,250 kind of coordinating. 217 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:50,690 And if there was problems out in the field, any decision about how to handle 218 00:17:50,690 --> 00:17:51,870 for the most part is going to come to me. 219 00:17:52,970 --> 00:17:56,690 I was in charge of the arrest of Brenda Phoenix in Indiana. 220 00:17:57,050 --> 00:17:59,230 I had the takedown of Dwight Baker. 221 00:17:59,530 --> 00:18:03,590 My duty on takedown day was Gloria Brown here in Jacksonville. 222 00:18:04,790 --> 00:18:07,990 So I sit in the FBI's office as we can hear them, like, hey, we're making the 223 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:08,990 move now. 224 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:13,130 It sounded like, you know, a mid -90s Michael Bay kind of thing. You're 225 00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:14,130 you know, go, go, go. 226 00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:16,690 So I got glum. 227 00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:20,410 By far the nastier. 228 00:18:21,250 --> 00:18:23,970 More potential danger of anybody else. 229 00:18:24,430 --> 00:18:29,590 And then, you know, with me, it's always a contest with no matter what. So, you 230 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:31,990 know, I'm going to get my guy before anybody else. 231 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:37,290 My guy, Glum, was behind a fortress. 232 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:43,910 A legitimate, big time, cameras everywhere, big gate. 233 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:47,570 Chances are he's not going to open the gate. At the same time, I want to be 234 00:18:47,570 --> 00:18:48,570 first. 235 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:54,100 So we had to find a way to get Glum to come out. 236 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:59,500 The thing we came up with was he has to come out and get his paper. 237 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:06,260 So that gate opens up. Who do you think walks out and gets the paper? 238 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,060 The wife, right? Not him. 239 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:16,920 So I'm going, oh, God, I'm going to ram this car through the front gate. 240 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,220 I had got ready, just getting ready to leave the house, and I see somebody 241 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:25,560 walking by the kitchen window, and I look out the door, and it's the FBI. 242 00:19:26,140 --> 00:19:27,380 They haven't knocked on the door yet. 243 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:31,300 So I went and ran upstairs to tell my wife. I said, the FBI's out front. 244 00:19:33,820 --> 00:19:39,020 So when they knocked on the door, it was Astrologa. We show him the arrest 245 00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:40,020 warrant. 246 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:44,480 We gained access to the property, and he is taken into custody. 247 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:46,760 In the command post. 248 00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:50,730 We kept hearing, so -and -so's been arrested, so -and -so confessed, can't 249 00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:53,490 this person, so -and -so's arrested, they're denying everything. 250 00:20:01,110 --> 00:20:07,770 And so Rick Dent went to Atlanta to get Uncle Jerry, Jerry 251 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:08,770 Jacobson. 252 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:13,310 The arrest of Jerry was an early morning at his house, you know. 253 00:20:14,410 --> 00:20:17,130 Knock, knock, knock, FBI, open up. 254 00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:25,930 I remember Jerry initially, you know, doing what you would expect a former 255 00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:31,330 police officer to do was, you know, clam up. You know, he realized his goose was 256 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:32,330 cooked, so to speak. 257 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:39,350 Eventually, he received his jewelry, silver handcuffs. 258 00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:43,050 That Jerry Jacobson arrest. 259 00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:48,970 He had some Honda sports car thing that he was riding around in that we see, and 260 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:53,790 just cash in a trash bag in the trunk of his car. Who does that shit? 261 00:20:54,010 --> 00:20:56,230 Who carries that crap around, really? 262 00:21:03,050 --> 00:21:08,370 My first interaction with Jerry Jacobson was at the federal courthouse in 263 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:09,370 Atlanta. 264 00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:16,610 I was in Atlanta because Jerry Jacobson was the head of the snake, and 265 00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:22,550 I wanted to personally advise him of the charges against him. 266 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:26,480 Sources say that the FBI will announce that it has made arrests in an alleged 267 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,580 scheme to defraud the McDonald's Corporation by rigging its recent 268 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:34,380 game. Now, the FBI would only say that it has scheduled a news conference for 2 269 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:39,300 .15 this afternoon, but sources tell CNN seven of the eight people are in 270 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:43,020 custody. Sources say the eighth has been indicted, not arrested, yet still being 271 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:44,020 sought. 272 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,340 I'd laid out, I'm going to be the first, I was the last, the last one to get 273 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:51,560 their guy. So we needed to draw them out. 274 00:21:52,620 --> 00:21:57,460 And then I came up with what I thought was a great idea. 275 00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:05,000 A Broward County sheriff comes to the gate and says, do you guys mind coming 276 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,160 down here and identifying these guys? 277 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:12,820 They were robbing a house here, and they want you to identify them. I said, I 278 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:13,820 don't care. 279 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,800 They didn't bother me. 280 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,460 He said, well, let me take a couple minutes. 281 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,960 So I said, okay. 282 00:22:20,830 --> 00:22:24,690 And then I went outside, and, of course, they grabbed me outside, and they says, 283 00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:28,270 you're under arrest for mail fraud. 284 00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:30,870 I said, mail fraud? What's that? 285 00:22:32,770 --> 00:22:35,250 He says, on to McDonald's. I said, oh, okay. 286 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:40,890 Didn't have a clue that they were on to this case. 287 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:44,990 Nothing. And so he didn't say nothing else. I said, can I get you a cup of 288 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:45,990 coffee or something? 289 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,340 Matthews was one of the original people who arrested me. 290 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:55,700 We had some snippets of the phone calls just to let him know we had what we had. 291 00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:58,900 And he decided not to cooperate, one of the very few. 292 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,980 I remember we were arguing in the car. 293 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:04,500 He said, yeah, you think you're some gangster or something. I said, yeah, and 294 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:08,180 you think you're Don Johnson, you know, from Miami Vice. 295 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:13,460 And at the end, he was okay in the front. He was a little bit of an 296 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,680 But you did offer him a cup of coffee. I did. 297 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:17,900 I'm that way. 298 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,300 I'm very friendly. 299 00:23:24,340 --> 00:23:30,540 It wasn't just the takedown. There were a number of people on the initial 300 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:32,280 indictment that we charged. 301 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:38,800 On top of that, I needed to have agents going out to interview all these other 302 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,520 winners. What we didn't want to happen was... 303 00:23:42,860 --> 00:23:47,000 Somebody who is a quote -unquote winner to be sitting at home and see this 304 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,260 takedown and then have two or three weeks to think about it. 305 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Think about what they're going to say. Or worse yet, hop on a plane and, you 306 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,800 know, move to South America. 307 00:23:57,340 --> 00:24:01,520 If you've played the popular McDonald's Monopoly game and thought you'd never 308 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,080 win the top prize, you may have been right. In Washington, the Attorney 309 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,860 and FBI announced eight people were arrested for defrauding McDonald's and 310 00:24:10,860 --> 00:24:13,920 customers. My work said to me, the FBI is looking for you. 311 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,440 I'm like, what? 312 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:18,180 Oh, shit. 313 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:20,520 This is the FBI. 314 00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:25,840 My friends were like from Louisiana, from the swamp. They go, we want to hide 315 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,160 you out in the bayou. 316 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080 But then they're like, you can never contact anybody anymore. 317 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,460 It's like a TV script. You can't talk to anybody. You can't contact your friend. 318 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,860 I go, oh, hell no. I can't do that. 319 00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:44,530 And finally they caught up with me. They finally found me at home. They were 320 00:24:44,530 --> 00:24:48,270 very nice to me, and they were just straight to the point, and they got what 321 00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:49,410 they wanted to hear from me. 322 00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:55,370 I decided I was going to be the one to go down the street and interview Buddy 323 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:56,370 Fisher. 324 00:24:57,490 --> 00:25:03,350 He was a little surprised, but really didn't try to tell us anything other 325 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:04,350 what really happened. 326 00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:05,930 Nice guy. 327 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,100 So through the course of the interview I had with Dwight Baker, he implicated 328 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:17,560 George Chandler, his foster son, in the scheme, in the illegal activity. 329 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,040 At that point, we made a determination to reach out to George Chandler and talk 330 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,480 to him about his involvement. 331 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,720 I was on I -20 and my cell phone rang. My secretary came on the phone and said, 332 00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:36,860 George. 333 00:25:38,629 --> 00:25:44,990 there's two guys in the office here from the FBI who would like to speak to you. 334 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:46,630 Put them on the phone. 335 00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:53,870 Who don't want to talk to the FBI, you know? So this guy 336 00:25:53,870 --> 00:26:00,110 comes on the phone, and his name is Special Agent 337 00:26:00,110 --> 00:26:01,110 Astrologa. 338 00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:08,380 And he said, Mr. Chandler, We've arrested this morning Dwight and Linda 339 00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:15,180 for their involvement in the McDonald's Monopoly games scam, and 340 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:18,180 we would like to speak to you about your involvement in it. 341 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,960 And the first thing out of my mouth was, if you've arrested Dwight and Linda 342 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,260 Baker, you've got the wrong people. 343 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:40,830 For some reason, I was home that day, and my sister called me. 344 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:45,710 So I picked up the phone and called her and just said, are you watching 345 00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:48,270 television? She said no, and I said, well, turn it on. 346 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:51,730 William Fisher and Gloria Brown both live in Jacksonville. 347 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:56,890 Prosecutors say the plot was... And there was my name on the screen, Gloria 348 00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:59,670 Brown, indicted. 349 00:27:00,650 --> 00:27:03,970 I just kind of folded up in the kitchen by myself. 350 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,200 Again, there I was alone. 351 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:07,540 I'm like, okay. 352 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:14,080 Before I can get to even listen to what was on the television about me, 353 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,480 my doorbell rang. 354 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:21,600 Opened the door and there was this detective there. 355 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,420 Initially, she was denying being involved in anything. And I kind of 356 00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:32,160 up to the fact of, we're not talking about whether you did it or not. We're 357 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,000 talking about how much time in prison you're going to serve. So, you know, you 358 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,460 might want to go ahead and start cooperating now. 359 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,620 And I had decided this time the lie was going to be over. And I just told them. 360 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,740 It was no need for me to lie anymore. 361 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,740 She basically told us what we needed to know. And we already knew, again, 362 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,940 because we knew the scheme and we knew the recruiting formula and how it 363 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:52,940 happened. 364 00:27:53,290 --> 00:27:55,650 I saw her shoulders kind of sink a little bit. 365 00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:58,430 I'm saying to myself, do I need a lawyer first? 366 00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:02,310 You know, that's the kind of stuff. Am I doing the right thing? You know, I just 367 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:08,330 didn't know what to do. I never thought about what to do once I got caught. 368 00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:12,930 And I was not sure if they was going to take me with them. 369 00:28:13,390 --> 00:28:15,630 I was waiting on a police car to put up out front. 370 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:20,290 When they walked to the door, I walked to the door with them. 371 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:27,640 When they say that we'll be getting back with you, I was so happy right 372 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,600 in that moment. I said, at least that way I get a chance to make some 373 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,860 arrangements right quick. 374 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,580 The deal was if they didn't cooperate, we were going to arrest. If they did 375 00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:40,540 cooperate, we were going to take their statement and then go ahead and document 376 00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:44,980 it and then refer it to the case agent who would then take it to the federal 377 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:45,980 prosecutor. 378 00:28:55,660 --> 00:29:00,460 I was almost done with my prison time for doing the fraud that I did. 379 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,340 And I see there's two tall gentlemen in suits. 380 00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:12,660 They said, we're here for McDonald's Monopoly. And they had this poster laid 381 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:16,620 out. And Uncle Jerry was the middle bubble. 382 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:19,400 They had all these bubbles all around. 383 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,000 And then they had these five bubbles. 384 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,740 And I was that size bubble connected to him. 385 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,140 And it was Jerry Colombo deceased. 386 00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:34,740 There's my picture, Robin Colombo incarcerated. 387 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,120 You know, and I'm looking over it, and I go, hmm, okay. 388 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,580 And I said, I'll tell you what. 389 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,500 Give me your card, and if I can think of anything, I will get in touch with you. 390 00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:48,540 How about that? 391 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:49,760 And they said. 392 00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:52,410 No, that's not how that works, Mrs. 393 00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:56,090 Columbo. I said, that's how this is going to work right now. 394 00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:58,090 I said, let me tell you something. 395 00:29:58,310 --> 00:30:04,230 I have a little boy out there and a daughter, and you don't know who you're 396 00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:08,350 messing with, and I'm not going to put their lives in jeopardy. 397 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:10,190 I got the card. 398 00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:14,170 They go to leave, and I'm going to leave. I'm thinking, okay. 399 00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:19,490 I'm going back down to the girls' part, right? Well, here come the officers from 400 00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:21,950 the prison. They go, Columbo, come back up here. 401 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:26,810 And they went to the chef for me. I go, wait, wait, wait, what are you doing? 402 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:31,270 They said, well, your custody level has changed now because you're under 403 00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:33,250 investigation. I said, no, I'm not. 404 00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:36,950 I said, so whether I talk to them or not, whatever, this is all? 405 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:38,190 They said, yeah. I said, 406 00:30:39,030 --> 00:30:41,490 hold it. They said, no, Ms. Columbo. I said, leave me alone. 407 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:43,250 I'm calling the feds. 408 00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:50,690 I ran to the double doors, and that double door opened. 409 00:30:51,010 --> 00:30:52,750 I said, hey, come here. 410 00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:57,570 They said, oh, you want to talk? I said, yeah, come on in, come on. Take a mic 411 00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:58,570 and have some coffee. 412 00:30:58,770 --> 00:30:59,770 Can we have coffee? 413 00:30:59,870 --> 00:31:00,890 I think they want coffee. 414 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,410 I said, you really know more than I do, honestly. 415 00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:10,370 And, of course, they're like, well, why don't you humor us? 416 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:13,490 I said, well, let's do this. I need a cigarette. 417 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,060 So let's take a cigarette break. And I was thinking about it. 418 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:19,460 So I said, you really got to smooth it? I said, I really do. 419 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,800 You've got my nerves. 420 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,840 Rax, as a matter of fact, I'm in one now, talking about it. 421 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,780 And you really should quit those things. I said, yeah, today's not the day. 422 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,320 Six o 'clock came. 423 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,660 And they put me in where the TV room was. John Ashcroft came on television. 424 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,400 And my knees, I just kind of got weak and knew it was over. 425 00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:41,820 This morning. 426 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:47,110 The agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested eight individuals 427 00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:52,330 several states for their involvement in a nationwide scheme to defraud 428 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:57,930 McDonald's corporations and its customers by fraudulently manipulating 429 00:31:57,930 --> 00:32:01,490 McDonald's promotional prize contests. 430 00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:08,990 We want those involved in this type of corruption to know that breaking the law 431 00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:10,870 is not a game. 432 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:17,300 That day, everything went, you know, really, literally according to plan. 433 00:32:17,540 --> 00:32:22,040 I mean, for a very fun, interesting day, one I'll never forget. 434 00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:26,840 I want to commend the fine work of the FBI and the Jacksonville Division of the 435 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,420 United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida. 436 00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:36,000 Everyone involved in this investigation has worked hard to break this 437 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000 conspiracy. 438 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040 How do we miss this? There's like seven winners in the 864 area code in the last 439 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,180 four years. Like, how do we never put two and two together ourselves if they 440 00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:46,620 kept coming from the same darn area? 441 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,600 And we had done stories, like big stories on two or three of the winners, 442 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,900 the million -dollar winners, too, and we had never put it together. 443 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920 So that was one of the things that was a little bit kicking ourselves for 444 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040 journalism, like, oh, yeah, we just never put that one together. So there 445 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,140 little bit of egg on our face on that one. Well, this story is going to make a 446 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:01,140 lot of people angry. 447 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,580 Prosecutors say it appears McDonald's customers never really had a chance to 448 00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:06,580 the biggest prizes. 449 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:10,580 Frankly, the odds of your winning that million -dollar jackpot in McDonald's 450 00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:14,700 weren't that good to begin with. The FBI said the odds were really about one and 451 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,810 zero. They needed their time. Many of the winners were from the same family or 452 00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:20,870 were closely related. 453 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:25,130 At the center of the fraud ring, prosecutors say Jerome Jacobson assigned 454 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:27,870 place the winning big cash game pieces into circulation. 455 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:32,690 Instead, the FBI says he stole them, passing winning game pieces to his 456 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:36,430 who then recruited others to come forward and claim the big prizes. 457 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:41,030 Jacobson has been given a go -to -jail card for keeping the winning high -end 458 00:33:41,030 --> 00:33:44,990 ticket. And, says the FBI today, they had a confidential informant who tipped 459 00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:48,250 them off at first. Someone who had knowledge of the scheme. 460 00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:53,130 McDonald's was devastated by the news, while a stunned spokesperson for Parker 461 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:54,610 Brothers had only this reaction. 462 00:33:58,190 --> 00:34:03,310 We want you to have the opportunity to see who Mr. Jacobs is. 463 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:08,020 He's 58 years old. He's married and has a family. 464 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:13,739 He knows the seriousness of these charges. 465 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:20,120 And he also knows that he faces very serious potential 466 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:27,080 punishment in prison if convicted of these charges. We know many of you have 467 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,900 attempted to contact him, his wife, and his family. 468 00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:39,139 and have been in his neighborhood, and we are asking you to allow there to be 469 00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:45,219 some privacy for his family and for his neighbors. 470 00:34:46,179 --> 00:34:53,040 Jerry Jacobson had retained counsel fairly quickly, an attorney 471 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,740 by the name of Ed Garland, and so my involvement was then. 472 00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:00,090 talking to the attorney. 473 00:35:00,430 --> 00:35:06,170 Once he has retained counsel, I've instructed him that I should analyze the 474 00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:08,130 before he speaks further with the government. 475 00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:09,870 Are you going to share your motto? 476 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:16,010 We follow the motto, a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut, and 477 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:18,510 that that's what a defendant needs to know. 478 00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:20,350 Stop the music. 479 00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:22,210 Stand behind us. 480 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000 We do the fighting and the talking for you. 481 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:29,460 We're saying that you have a rogue employee that embezzles a piece, steals 482 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,440 bottom line. It was pretty clear that Mark was coming full force. 483 00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:38,240 The first conversation was, please, straight up to the indictment and bring 484 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,740 every penny you have and your wife has. It was the threats of, I'm going to take 485 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,440 everything down to her engagement ring. 486 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,640 Mark is a very effective... 487 00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:57,170 a very talented lawyer, and uses his power in a very assertive way 488 00:35:57,170 --> 00:36:00,070 on behalf of his client, the United States. 489 00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:07,410 Ed and I had many cases together, and he's a very experienced attorney. But I 490 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:10,530 told him that the chances for Mr. 491 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:16,470 Jacobson to go to trial and come out without a conviction was zero. 492 00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:21,010 When you deal with a lawyer like that, you've got to let him know you're 493 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:24,710 unintimidated and unintimidatable. 494 00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:30,370 So it became tense and confrontational immediately. 495 00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:38,130 Mr. Jacobs will not be making any statements about this case until 496 00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:40,910 he appears in court. Yeah, that was a very interesting day. 497 00:36:41,110 --> 00:36:43,610 I sit down in front of the TV, I turn on CNN Headline News. 498 00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:45,930 Boom. Picture my dad. 499 00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:50,010 And I was like, wow. 500 00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:54,410 In the back of my mind, I was like, I knew it. 501 00:36:55,070 --> 00:36:58,390 My mom and I always knew there was something wrong, and here it is, right 502 00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:59,590 in front of us now, right here on TV. 503 00:37:01,250 --> 00:37:02,490 It's not a surprise. 504 00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:07,030 He was good at manipulating people. He was good at it. 505 00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:09,770 That's my dad. 506 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:15,950 I guess I was always questioning. 507 00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:18,150 the legitimacy of everything. 508 00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:21,970 It was always something new. It was always trips, and it was always doing, 509 00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:25,010 know, always just spending things extravagantly, it seemed like to me. 510 00:37:26,590 --> 00:37:31,450 My mom and I always joked that we always thought there was something not right 511 00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:32,790 about him. 512 00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:38,110 I knew he kept secrets from me. 513 00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:41,170 Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies. 514 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:43,450 And that's how I dealt with him. 515 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:47,590 If I didn't ask him any questions, He didn't have to lie to me. 516 00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:54,010 For instance, he said that he had this swampland. 517 00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:59,230 He might go out and buy me something, and I would say, Jerry, that's a lot of 518 00:37:59,230 --> 00:38:02,550 money. He would go, I sold a piece of swampland. 519 00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:08,850 Jerry was always trying to figure the easy way. 520 00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:11,310 How do you get a free lunch? 521 00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:16,230 The moral of the story is, There are no free lunches. 522 00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:21,910 But there may be some brownies hidden somewhere. 523 00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:26,670 Does that make any sense? 524 00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:39,130 Mr. Jacobson was not helping us, and so the question was still ongoing. 525 00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:42,510 How did he get the game pieces? 526 00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:43,890 We know he did. 527 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:45,740 But how did he do it? 528 00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:51,040 We didn't know if Dittler Brothers was involved. 529 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:53,420 I mean, there was no details to anything. 530 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,320 We don't know if it's just Jerry. We don't know if it's everybody in there. 531 00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:04,860 I was furious that Jerry did what he did because he put all of those people at 532 00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:05,860 risk. 533 00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:13,360 And we took a trip and actually went to Dittler Brothers because there might 534 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,200 be... Somebody there inside. 535 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,180 When the FBI came in and shut everything down and started gathering their 536 00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:24,520 evidence, and somebody came by and said, the FBI's here and got everything shut 537 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,280 down, you don't go anywhere near there. 538 00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:31,620 Somebody's in trouble. 539 00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:37,600 Somebody's in trouble, but what effect it's going to have, I don't know. 540 00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:45,160 Well, Roger, first let me underscore the fact that Jerome Jacobson was not a 541 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,160 McDonald's employee. 542 00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,260 He was, in fact, an employee of Simon Marketing, which was the firm that 543 00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:52,780 McDonald's had contracted to administer its games. 544 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,740 McDonald's says tonight it has fired the Georgia company that ran the contest. 545 00:39:56,780 --> 00:40:00,720 So now the FBI is investigating how many other instant winners weren't so 546 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:01,780 instant after all. 547 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,600 The deception. 548 00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:08,210 by Simon Marketing was unacceptable. 549 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:14,630 We really trusted them to run the game for us. We had to end the relationship 550 00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:16,610 gain the trust back with our customers. 551 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:22,470 Pretty much, I'd say McDonald's was 98 % of our business. 552 00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:33,430 The FBI showed up one day at the front door and shut us down. 553 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:43,320 When the information came out, their stock went from approximately $100 to 554 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,720 basically 50 cents. 555 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,400 These layoffs are bad. 556 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:53,300 It was the largest one -day drop on the American stock exchange. 557 00:40:56,020 --> 00:41:00,340 Ensuring that these games are secure, that is how they make a living. 558 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,600 Two days after McDonald's fired Sun and Marketing from all future promotions, a 559 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,020 second major company has also pulled the plug. 560 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:10,840 A couple days later, Kraft came out and canceled their contract. 561 00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:12,320 There's nothing left. 562 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,360 So it affected Chicago, L .A., Atlanta office here in the States. We had an 563 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:26,960 office in London, Paris, Hong Kong, and several manufacturing facilities in 564 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,960 China. 565 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,160 The people at Simon Marketing were good people. They were professional. 566 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:35,580 We really loved working with them. So it was devastating. 567 00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:40,090 when one bad apple wrecked the lives of so many people. 568 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:42,070 They're gone, man, they're gone. 569 00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:55,490 We spent one night in jail for my bail. They asked for a million dollars. 570 00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:58,530 The judge said, for this, you want a million dollars? 571 00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:01,050 He said, 200 ,000. 572 00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:08,220 I mean, the Lord really blessed me in a bad situation because I had three lots 573 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,220 that were free and clear. 574 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,680 The tax value was exactly $200 ,000 on those three lots. 575 00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:17,520 So that was just a miracle. 576 00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:22,740 These three lots here, the lake that's over on this side, but these three lots 577 00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:26,680 here are the three lots that I put up as collateral for my property bond. 578 00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:32,320 I understood it. 579 00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:36,780 obviously, that something was amiss with Dwight's story. 580 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,380 And I immediately called Dwight. 581 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,280 And I remember being 582 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:51,240 incredulous with him, who is the guy that was going 583 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,320 through a divorce. Where'd you get this ticket? 584 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,720 What's going on? 585 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,180 He said, George, I can't talk about it right now. Don't worry. 586 00:42:59,380 --> 00:43:02,880 You don't have anything to worry about. You didn't do anything wrong. It was me. 587 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:10,480 And I wasn't gravely concerned about it. 588 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,860 The thing that surprised me is they gave me bond. 589 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,380 They never should have gave me bond. 590 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,480 I'm telling you, I was a fugitive back in the 80s. 591 00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:25,570 It was a mistake. 592 00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:28,630 So I'm home about two days. 593 00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:32,550 There's two guys at the gate with suits on. 594 00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:36,190 I said, oh, they came back. 595 00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:38,090 They came back for me. 596 00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:40,970 That's the marshals coming to get me. 597 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:46,850 Here it's Jehovah Witnesses. 598 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,660 I was never so happy to talk to a Jehovah's Witness in my life. 599 00:43:57,140 --> 00:44:02,080 I was in my maternity shop in Coral Gables. We have a TV going there all the 600 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,880 time. And they broke in the news that the McDonald's thing had just been 601 00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:09,340 I was fucking floored. 602 00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:10,780 Fucking floored. 603 00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:14,640 Two seconds later, two FBI agents walked in my store. 604 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,940 Doug Matthews and Rick Dent. 605 00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:22,110 and they said they'd like to talk to me about the McDonald's case, and I knew I 606 00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:23,110 was fucked. 607 00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:25,770 I knew I was fucked. 608 00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:30,510 I'll be honest with you, I don't know if Jerry turned me in or not. 609 00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:35,470 Right after it happened, I flew to Atlanta, Georgia. 610 00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:40,430 I said, Jerry, how the fuck could you do this? I says, how the fuck? I thought 611 00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:45,570 we were done, and I was really pissed because I had thought that night we were 612 00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:46,570 done. 613 00:44:53,680 --> 00:45:00,680 I had hired a local attorney to go with me to the meeting with the FBI, and 614 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,500 he called me and said, George, you've been indicted. 615 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,180 I was in shock. 616 00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:19,220 You know, you don't know how to react because you're being charged with a 617 00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:20,560 federal crime. 618 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:28,440 My name appears in the text of major newspapers and on major television 619 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,020 stations all across the nation. Friends are calling me. 620 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,020 Families are calling me. 621 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,560 Business acquaintances are calling me. 622 00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:38,420 Customers are calling me. 623 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,360 Employees are calling me. 624 00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,740 I didn't know what to tell them. 625 00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:49,700 I didn't know what to tell my son. 626 00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:52,420 who's eight years old at the time. 627 00:45:54,580 --> 00:46:00,080 Every kid in the school has a question for Russell, and I don't know how to 628 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,080 him. 629 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,860 It was devastating. 630 00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:15,860 George was very angry, upset, hurt. 631 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,440 But I tried to explain to him. 632 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,120 that I did everything in my power to protect him from this. 633 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,120 At 634 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:40,960 some 635 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,920 point in time, though, and it was in fairly short order, you snap out, I 636 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,820 out of it, and I took action. I went down to Jacksonville, 637 00:46:51,130 --> 00:46:57,050 started making phone calls looking for what I termed the best criminal lawyer 638 00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:58,050 town. 639 00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:09,950 I'm Curtis Scott Fogator. I'm an attorney. I've been an attorney for 640 00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:15,090 years. I was a federal prosecutor here in town for 17 years, and I've been out 641 00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,130 in private practice for some 20 years, and I've been blessed to have been 642 00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:19,130 selected one of the top. 643 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,280 criminal defense attorneys in Northeast Florida for the last couple of decades. 644 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,580 In 2001, I met George Chandler. 645 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,400 He was 29 years old. 646 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,760 Ninth grade education, but he's a brilliant young man. 647 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,920 I was very impressed with his candor. 648 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,820 He explained how he had been hoodwinked by his foster father, which, of course, 649 00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:39,860 demonstrated innocence. 650 00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:42,700 I thought, well, we can probably make this case go away pretty easily. 651 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,420 So I picked up the phone and called Mr. Devereaux. 652 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,240 Mr. Fogatter interviewed me in January of 1989 when I got hired in this office. 653 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,580 He's been to my house many times. I've been to his house many times. 654 00:47:58,820 --> 00:48:02,000 At one point in time, we were very sociable. 655 00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:03,600 Not so much anymore. 656 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,160 I explained to him how George Van Hoodwink did not know the tickets had 657 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,740 stolen or embezzled, and Mr. Devereaux's response was, well, if I had dropped 658 00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:16,860 Mr. Chandler's case, I'd have to drop several others. 659 00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:29,170 I was the first person to turn themselves in. 660 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:31,650 I mean, they had me. 661 00:48:31,950 --> 00:48:37,230 I was scared as shit because just the name Mark Devereaux just reminded me of 662 00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:38,630 old southern gentleman. 663 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:43,530 I mean, I'll never forget the first time I met him. 664 00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:54,030 The only thing he said to me, don't ever lie to me. 665 00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:56,870 He said, just don't ever lie to me. 666 00:48:57,370 --> 00:49:01,490 I said, hey, man, I did whatever I did, and I'll tell you everything I did. 667 00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:07,530 I ain't going to lie, because I've never believed in lying anyhow. I wasn't 668 00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:08,530 going to start then. 669 00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:19,330 The plan is to find a path to victory if it is there, to protect the client, to 670 00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:20,330 help the client. 671 00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:23,550 So if you start out, I'm just going to... 672 00:49:24,010 --> 00:49:29,950 plead guilty, you never go through the mental discipline of, can I find a way? 673 00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:33,250 We probably started out and said, if you want him as a witness, give him 674 00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:34,250 immunity. 675 00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:36,170 Something like that. 676 00:49:37,330 --> 00:49:43,730 And that would have met head on with the 180 degree 677 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:45,470 opposite position. 678 00:49:45,970 --> 00:49:48,150 Is a plea a possibility in this case? 679 00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:51,150 A plea is always a possibility. 680 00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:57,540 The issue of how he will address these charges is being evaluated. 681 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,240 When you talk about what Jerry was facing, it gets complicated. 682 00:50:04,820 --> 00:50:08,300 If you start adding up all of the different counts that he was charged 683 00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:09,960 was facing a lot of time. 684 00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:12,420 And I know it was well over 10. 685 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:24,360 I remember it being, having a sense of just, huge sympathy for the 686 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,920 ordeal that was being imposed on them and the way it was being imposed. 687 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,760 Prosecutors say this is the man who started it all. Jerome Jacobson faces 688 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,500 counts of conspiracy in a plot they say involved $20 million worth of McDonald's 689 00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,020 winning game prizes stolen and then sold to friends and relatives. 690 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:47,740 If he could cooperate, it would provide us just so much information to find all 691 00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:48,740 these other winners. 692 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,360 And winners turned into recruiters. 693 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,900 and most importantly, to show exactly how he did it. 694 00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,880 We could not quite figure it out. 695 00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:03,680 And now, we knew he was doing it, we just didn't know the details on how he 696 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:04,680 doing it. 697 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,440 The government always wanted to know how he did it, and he did not cooperate 698 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,440 from the beginning. 699 00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:15,060 He would have, but for the fact that his lawyers would not allow him to until we 700 00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:16,060 worked everything out. 701 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,860 It was the, you know, talk peace but prepare for war. 702 00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:24,890 We were preparing for a war. 703 00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:37,090 I don't think there ever was an exit strategy to stopping. He'd been 704 00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:40,810 it for 13 years. It's just gotten better and probably easier for him to do. 705 00:51:42,090 --> 00:51:45,330 And I mean, the only reason he got caught was because he pissed somebody 706 00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:48,050 somebody went to the FBI and said, hey, guess what's happening? 707 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,800 The informant key to unlocking scam behind the golden arches. 708 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:03,080 Of course, they never named who the informant was, but that's how it all 709 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,080 apart. 710 00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:10,920 Do you have any idea who the informant might have been? 711 00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:12,180 Nope. 712 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,520 I think it was the FBI. 713 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,380 Before this ever went down, there was a box. 714 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,180 Across the street from my house on a pole. 715 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,040 Placed there by Blue Ridge Electric. 716 00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:29,020 I'd always questioned what it was. 717 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,100 I've developed a lot of property. 718 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:33,840 I'd never seen that box. 719 00:52:34,780 --> 00:52:39,280 I was suspected they were eavesdropping onto me. 720 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:46,560 Not because of McDonald's, but because of a fellow developer here on the 721 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,180 lakes. The FBI came in. 722 00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:54,970 The drug enforcement people came in. Everybody came in, tied up all of this 723 00:52:54,970 --> 00:52:55,970 shit. 724 00:52:57,730 --> 00:53:00,290 And I was on the peripheral of that. 725 00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:08,830 Within a week after my arrest and after this went down, Blue Ridge Electric 726 00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:12,290 Trucks came into the field across my street, and that box was gone. 727 00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:20,740 So that's why, to me, I've always felt like their story of how an informant or 728 00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:25,600 how somebody came forward, I felt like that was bullshit. 729 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,240 Do you know who the informant is? 730 00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:31,860 I do. 731 00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:37,420 Next question. 732 00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:44,040 Without the informant, 733 00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:49,710 Telling the FBI where to go, who to look at. 734 00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:59,610 This case would have never been broken. 735 00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:01,150 Never. 736 00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:05,490 I will never tell you who the source was. 737 00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:10,690 You will never get that from me. If I was a dead body, you could not get that 738 00:54:10,690 --> 00:54:11,690 off my corpse. 739 00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:14,990 That's how much I think about the Bureau. 740 00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:17,660 It has to work like that, right? 741 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,040 If you had to make a guess, who do you think the informant would be? 742 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,160 Well, I don't think it was anybody in mind. 743 00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,200 If it is, I'd be very surprised. 744 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,600 Real surprised. If you're going to surprise me, go ahead and surprise me. 745 00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:34,260 I know who broke the case. 746 00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:40,660 At this moment right now, I'm not sure if I feel comfortable saying who broke 747 00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:46,760 the case. I need to talk to some people and make sure that... I'm not in danger 748 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,520 if I say who broke the case, because right now... 749 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:57,480 I 750 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,460 don't know if it's going to come back and bite me in the butt. 751 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,640 Who do you think it was? 752 00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:09,060 Frank Limbaugh. 753 00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:09,680 We had this big buildup of the case in anticipation of the trial. 754 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,880 We had them. 755 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,920 We want to make sure justice was served. 756 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,840 We're feverishly working on how could Jerome Jacobson steal winning pieces? 757 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,660 How did he do it? 758 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,340 Jerry Jacobson, tell the truth. What'd you do? 759 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,800 No one knew. 760 00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:27,660 There's real permanent damage. 761 00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:30,900 Without the informant, this case never would have happened. 762 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,360 The informant was who? 763 00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:35,540 Time to tell the truth. 764 00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:40,360 Nobody suspected that. 65861

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