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Somebody offers you a million dollars,
you're going to take it.
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Unless you've got to kill somebody, then
you might not be interested.
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One of the early middlemen was Jerry
Colombo. In order to do this scam, Jerry
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Jacobson started finding other
middlemen, A .J. Blum and Dwight Baker.
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We were up on Dwight's phone. We start
to figure out, is there anything with
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this person, George Chandler? Yeah,
there might be something there.
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Dwight came to me with the million
-dollar winning ticket. He asked me
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be interested in buying the ticket from
him and then redeeming. So I did it.
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He didn't need to have any knowledge of
anything.
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I tried to protect him from the truth of
it.
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One day, Jerry told me there was a half
-a -million -dollar game piece, and I
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wanted it. I made arrangements with my
wife's sister, Brenda, to split it. She
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turned in the game piece and decided
that she was going to run with the
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Did you try to stop her? Yeah.
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So we found out that Dwight Baker made a
phone call to Brenda Phoenix. Didn't
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quite disconnect the phone. He's
following her to the airport.
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There was a lot of concern on that. What
are we going to do if they are really
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going to harm her? Have to intervene,
but one little slip up could shut it
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My name is Jerry Jacobson, and my father
is Jerry Jerome Jacobson.
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Come here, boys.
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Come here.
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Bailey, come here.
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A group in Miami, Florida. Once my mom
got divorced from him, he cut all ties.
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I was three years old when they got
divorced.
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So this is a picture of me as a baby
with my dad and my mom's dad.
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My mom called, had him arrested for back
child support when I was 13, and that's
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when he popped on the radar.
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That's when I really met him for the
first time.
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During the summer, I would go fly up to
Atlanta and go spend, you know, three or
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four weeks up there with him, kind of
getting to know him a little bit. I
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believe he was living with Allison.
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This is actually a picture of the
wedding party when my dad and Linda got
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married.
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That's my mom in the picture with me and
him.
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I think it's one of the only pictures I
have with the three of us together.
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My mom, Carol Cody.
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I was his
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third marriage.
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Really, I was his fourth.
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Out of, I think we counted seven.
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Wait a minute.
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Phyllis, Carol, Daryl, me.
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Allison and Linda. He's been married six
times, and if he was married with that
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marriage license down in Miami, it's
seven.
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The very first time I got the first text
about the possibility of a documentary
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series, within two minutes, I got a
phone call
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saying, hey, if anybody calls or talks
to you or...
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wants to talk about this thing, don't do
it.
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Obviously, I'm not going to call him and
ask permission to do this with you
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guys. I think this is my way of...
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my way of having maybe a little bit of
closure.
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This is definitely going to put the nail
in the coffin for our relationship.
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I mean, what I'm okay with.
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I tried to keep her mouth shut, but it
didn't work.
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I knew that I had to do something.
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She was gonna run with the money.
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No. I didn't threaten to kill her.
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I just told my wife, I said, we can't do
this in the airport.
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I meant we can't confront her in the
airport.
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I didn't mean anything other than we
cannot confront her in the airport.
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It turned out to be a misunderstanding,
but you still have to run it out to make
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sure.
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You know, the long and short of it is it
wasn't a valid threat.
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Right after that, my wife took her
sister to the bank to cash the check and
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attached to the hips with her until she
did the right thing with the money.
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Yeah.
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So after that airport drama, we started
to focus on Dwight even more.
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So we're up on these wiretaps.
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and Rick and I hear something's
happening with Uncle Jerry.
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A phone call was intercepted between
Jacobson and Dwight Baker.
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The conversation was that Jacobson and
Dwight were going to meet for the
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exchange of a winning piece.
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That exchange was going to happen
somewhere in Georgia.
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And they say on the phone, I'll be there
in an hour or an hour and 15 minutes or
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something like that. We had that window.
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They didn't name the place where they
were going to meet, but they gave hints.
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The usual place, you mean along the
highway? Yeah, along the highway.
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So we hurried up, we got on the map, and
we figured out that it was somewhere
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along 85 near Atlanta.
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We had a certain area, but we didn't
know.
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I mean, we thought, but we weren't sure.
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So I got on the phone with Atlanta to
tell them, hey, this is what's coming
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So they were queued up and ready. They
mobilized quick.
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They had to get there and get visual.
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I mean, we had air support, surveillance
group down in their cars. We're looking
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at rest areas, places on the side of the
road, everywhere it was on.
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I remember looking at this golf resort
north of Atlanta.
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It's got to be this place.
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It seems to be about halfway. It's got
to be.
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Where would you guys meet? Did you go to
his house?
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Met at his house one time.
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He sat there with Ilan at a winery
between here and there. It's halfway.
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Sometimes we'd eat. Sometimes we'd just
sit in the car and trade money and game
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pieces.
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Yeah.
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We actually had an FBI pilot up in the
air and could actually see Mr.
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Jacobson handing.
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Mr. Baker, something in a folder.
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There it was.
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And off they go.
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The video evidence speaks volumes of the
illegal acts that they're doing. It's
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pretty short.
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But, Sweet, we got to know.
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It was about the end of the summer, and
the game is ending.
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We weren't going to have another game.
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We already have identified Jerry.
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We had identified Mr.
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Baker and Fair Play. We had identified
Mr.
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We had identified and videoed Mr.
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Hoover, and we had several others.
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All right, Devereaux's good.
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He's laying out the indictment, the
arrest warrant. We're going to take this
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through the grand jury, get the true
bills, which is the indictment, and
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going to go out and effect these
arrests.
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In this case, the charges were
conspiracy and...
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Mail fraud.
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If you use the United States mail in
furtherance of a scheme in artifice to
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defraud, that's penalized by up to 20
years in prison.
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The initial stage was the indictment of
the first eight. So the first thing that
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was going to make the news, that was
going to alert all the other winners
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hey, the gig is over, was the end of
August, August 21st.
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Everybody was spread across the country,
and so we ended up having to request
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the assistance of numerous offices
spread entirely across the United
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You have to provide those agents enough
information to make arrests.
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So, in anticipation of the takedown, we
had prepared a very, very lengthy
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communication. So it's our whole plan.
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The background of the investigation, I
mean, this communication was probably 20
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or 30 pages long.
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Very, very specific.
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In -depth. Puts you right there, like
everything.
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We faxed it, and I'm not going to say
who did it. I'll say I didn't, but there
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may have been somebody I know very
closely that did it that would deny it.
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Doesn't matter who it was, but...
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On the speed dial, which I never used
speed dial, but the agent sending that
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plan thought that the speed dial, in
fact, said Greenville FBI, when in fact
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said the Greenville News.
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It ends up being probably the worst
person in the world, a news agency.
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Now this is a big issue now, right? Like
all the stuff out there. Now you've got
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people that might be waiting on agents
to come arrest them and all this. It's
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bad, bad, bad.
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Rick Dent's big head was sweating bad.
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Devereux was sweating it. Chris Graham
was losing weight over that.
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I remember being really, really angry
about it. Like, you know, how in the
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world, you know, how could this happen?
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You know, now it's... How do we fix it?
How do we keep them from going with the
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story? After all this work, this could
really screw things up.
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My name is John Boynosky. In 2001, I was
a reporter for the Greenville News.
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I had been there about six or seven
months, and I was a crime and courts
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reporter.
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So anything that, you know, kind of bad
happened, you know, anything that had
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anything official -looking document that
came across the facts would come to my
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desk.
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So I came in on a Monday morning, and
there was a stapled thing on my chair.
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And I picked it up, and I thought, FBI
on it.
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Three paragraphs in, I'm thinking, this
doesn't sound right. This is an open
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investigation. Like, they're talking
about surveillance in here? And I'm
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at first, like, oh, it's the background.
I'm like... No.
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And I start flipping through all
surveillance stuff and like background
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information. I'm like, I don't think
this is supposed to be going to John
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Oski in the Greenville News.
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I remember I turned around my chair and
I got my boss. I'm like, Dave, did you
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look at this? Like, where did this come
from? He's like, yeah, I kind of looked
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at him like, Dave, I think we have an
open FBI investigation.
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He's like, what? And we start looking at
it. His eyes kind of go like this.
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I'm 24 years old. I'm trying to make my
name for myself. I want to write a
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story. I'm like, we have, you know.
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Exclusive, you know, McDonald's
investigation, FBI look into a big fraud
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So Mark Devereux's first response was,
jump in the Bureau plane, slide down to
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South Carolina.
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Each office surveillance squad has
usually a Cessna 160 or something. If
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were ever in a Volkswagen bug in the
early 70s, it's like a lawnmower in the
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sky.
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I'm looking at that going, no way in
hell I want to be part of that again,
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And Devereux.
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Being in that controlled -ass
environment with him in a Tide bottle,
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only way you got to pee. Can you imagine
that? I mean, that's an awful situation
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to be in.
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Literally, we get in a plane, fly from
Jacksonville to South Carolina that
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to do our best to ensure that that faux
pas didn't cause a
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significant embarrassment.
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That plane sucked.
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I can tell you at that point in time,
that news agency had no requirement to
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keep it quiet.
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We did beg, plead, asking them if they
would be kind enough basically to keep
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that to themselves.
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There was a little bit of, you know,
what are we going to get for it?
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Can't say we bribed them, but I will say
that we gave them an opportunity to...
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be able to take a photograph possibly
following the arrest in connection with
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the investigation.
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Their thing was, if you could just give
us the exclusive.
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It was something at least to sweeten the
deal and thank them for covering up the
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mistake that Special Agent Matthews, I
mean, I didn't say that, may have made.
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So I want to say, now that I'm saying
and remembering all this, that was not
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that faxed that freaking thing over.
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It was somebody else.
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I can promise you, every time I use a
fax machine, I check it not once, not
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twice, but at least three times.
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If anybody ever knew how close this was
just to blowing up, right? I know that
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those subjects who may see this would
go, damn it, how did that not happen?
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Too bad, right? Didn't. We were the good
guys. It always works better for the
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good guys. We always find a way, which
is what I'm saying happened there.
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The night
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before Attorney General Ashcroft, he
gave the go -ahead to take the action.
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Day of the takedown, it's a very early
morning, probably anywhere from 5 o
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'clock in the morning. You're getting up
and making sure everybody's ready.
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Regardless of whether you believe the
person is violent or not, you still have
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to be very careful as to your tactical
approach any time that you engage in the
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arrest of an individual because you're
taking away their liberties, and they
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pretty much know that.
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The arrests were scheduled to all go
down at the same time so that there
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wouldn't be conversation.
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And Jacksonville sent agents.
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to each location so that somebody that's
familiar with the case will be able to
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be there to help with the arrest.
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My role that day as the supervisor over
the squad in the command post was really
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kind of coordinating.
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And if there was problems out in the
field, any decision about how to handle
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for the most part is going to come to
me.
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I was in charge of the arrest of Brenda
Phoenix in Indiana.
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I had the takedown of Dwight Baker.
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My duty on takedown day was Gloria Brown
here in Jacksonville.
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So I sit in the FBI's office as we can
hear them, like, hey, we're making the
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move now.
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It sounded like, you know, a mid -90s
Michael Bay kind of thing. You're
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you know, go, go, go.
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So I got glum.
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By far the nastier.
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More potential danger of anybody else.
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And then, you know, with me, it's always
a contest with no matter what. So, you
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know, I'm going to get my guy before
anybody else.
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My guy, Glum, was behind a fortress.
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A legitimate, big time, cameras
everywhere, big gate.
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Chances are he's not going to open the
gate. At the same time, I want to be
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first.
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So we had to find a way to get Glum to
come out.
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The thing we came up with was he has to
come out and get his paper.
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So that gate opens up. Who do you think
walks out and gets the paper?
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The wife, right? Not him.
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So I'm going, oh, God, I'm going to ram
this car through the front gate.
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I had got ready, just getting ready to
leave the house, and I see somebody
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walking by the kitchen window, and I
look out the door, and it's the FBI.
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They haven't knocked on the door yet.
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So I went and ran upstairs to tell my
wife. I said, the FBI's out front.
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So when they knocked on the door, it was
Astrologa. We show him the arrest
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warrant.
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We gained access to the property, and he
is taken into custody.
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In the command post.
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We kept hearing, so -and -so's been
arrested, so -and -so confessed, can't
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this person, so -and -so's arrested,
they're denying everything.
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And so Rick Dent went to Atlanta to get
Uncle Jerry, Jerry
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Jacobson.
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The arrest of Jerry was an early morning
at his house, you know.
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Knock, knock, knock, FBI, open up.
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I remember Jerry initially, you know,
doing what you would expect a former
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police officer to do was, you know, clam
up. You know, he realized his goose was
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cooked, so to speak.
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Eventually, he received his jewelry,
silver handcuffs.
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That Jerry Jacobson arrest.
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He had some Honda sports car thing that
he was riding around in that we see, and
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just cash in a trash bag in the trunk of
his car. Who does that shit?
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Who carries that crap around, really?
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My first interaction with Jerry Jacobson
was at the federal courthouse in
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Atlanta.
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I was in Atlanta because Jerry Jacobson
was the head of the snake, and
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I wanted to personally advise him of the
charges against him.
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Sources say that the FBI will announce
that it has made arrests in an alleged
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scheme to defraud the McDonald's
Corporation by rigging its recent
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game. Now, the FBI would only say that
it has scheduled a news conference for 2
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.15 this afternoon, but sources tell CNN
seven of the eight people are in
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custody. Sources say the eighth has been
indicted, not arrested, yet still being
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sought.
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I'd laid out, I'm going to be the first,
I was the last, the last one to get
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their guy. So we needed to draw them
out.
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And then I came up with what I thought
was a great idea.
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A Broward County sheriff comes to the
gate and says, do you guys mind coming
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down here and identifying these guys?
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They were robbing a house here, and they
want you to identify them. I said, I
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don't care.
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They didn't bother me.
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He said, well, let me take a couple
minutes.
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So I said, okay.
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And then I went outside, and, of course,
they grabbed me outside, and they says,
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you're under arrest for mail fraud.
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I said, mail fraud? What's that?
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He says, on to McDonald's. I said, oh,
okay.
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Didn't have a clue that they were on to
this case.
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Nothing. And so he didn't say nothing
else. I said, can I get you a cup of
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coffee or something?
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Matthews was one of the original people
who arrested me.
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We had some snippets of the phone calls
just to let him know we had what we had.
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And he decided not to cooperate, one of
the very few.
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I remember we were arguing in the car.
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He said, yeah, you think you're some
gangster or something. I said, yeah, and
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you think you're Don Johnson, you know,
from Miami Vice.
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And at the end, he was okay in the
front. He was a little bit of an
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But you did offer him a cup of coffee. I
did.
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I'm that way.
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I'm very friendly.
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It wasn't just the takedown. There were
a number of people on the initial
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indictment that we charged.
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On top of that, I needed to have agents
going out to interview all these other
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winners. What we didn't want to happen
was...
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Somebody who is a quote -unquote winner
to be sitting at home and see this
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takedown and then have two or three
weeks to think about it.
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Think about what they're going to say.
Or worse yet, hop on a plane and, you
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know, move to South America.
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If you've played the popular McDonald's
Monopoly game and thought you'd never
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win the top prize, you may have been
right. In Washington, the Attorney
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and FBI announced eight people were
arrested for defrauding McDonald's and
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customers. My work said to me, the FBI
is looking for you.
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I'm like, what?
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Oh, shit.
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This is the FBI.
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My friends were like from Louisiana,
from the swamp. They go, we want to hide
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you out in the bayou.
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But then they're like, you can never
contact anybody anymore.
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It's like a TV script. You can't talk to
anybody. You can't contact your friend.
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I go, oh, hell no. I can't do that.
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And finally they caught up with me. They
finally found me at home. They were
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very nice to me, and they were just
straight to the point, and they got what
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they wanted to hear from me.
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I decided I was going to be the one to
go down the street and interview Buddy
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Fisher.
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He was a little surprised, but really
didn't try to tell us anything other
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what really happened.
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Nice guy.
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So through the course of the interview I
had with Dwight Baker, he implicated
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George Chandler, his foster son, in the
scheme, in the illegal activity.
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At that point, we made a determination
to reach out to George Chandler and talk
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to him about his involvement.
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I was on I -20 and my cell phone rang.
My secretary came on the phone and said,
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George.
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there's two guys in the office here from
the FBI who would like to speak to you.
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Put them on the phone.
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Who don't want to talk to the FBI, you
know? So this guy
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comes on the phone, and his name is
Special Agent
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Astrologa.
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And he said, Mr. Chandler, We've
arrested this morning Dwight and Linda
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for their involvement in the McDonald's
Monopoly games scam, and
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we would like to speak to you about your
involvement in it.
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And the first thing out of my mouth was,
if you've arrested Dwight and Linda
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Baker, you've got the wrong people.
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For some reason, I was home that day,
and my sister called me.
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So I picked up the phone and called her
and just said, are you watching
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television? She said no, and I said,
well, turn it on.
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William Fisher and Gloria Brown both
live in Jacksonville.
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Prosecutors say the plot was... And
there was my name on the screen, Gloria
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Brown, indicted.
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I just kind of folded up in the kitchen
by myself.
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Again, there I was alone.
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I'm like, okay.
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Before I can get to even listen to what
was on the television about me,
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my doorbell rang.
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Opened the door and there was this
detective there.
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Initially, she was denying being
involved in anything. And I kind of
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up to the fact of, we're not talking
about whether you did it or not. We're
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talking about how much time in prison
you're going to serve. So, you know, you
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might want to go ahead and start
cooperating now.
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And I had decided this time the lie was
going to be over. And I just told them.
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It was no need for me to lie anymore.
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She basically told us what we needed to
know. And we already knew, again,
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because we knew the scheme and we knew
the recruiting formula and how it
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happened.
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I saw her shoulders kind of sink a
little bit.
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I'm saying to myself, do I need a lawyer
first?
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You know, that's the kind of stuff. Am I
doing the right thing? You know, I just
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didn't know what to do. I never thought
about what to do once I got caught.
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And I was not sure if they was going to
take me with them.
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I was waiting on a police car to put up
out front.
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When they walked to the door, I walked
to the door with them.
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When they say that we'll be getting back
with you, I was so happy right
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in that moment. I said, at least that
way I get a chance to make some
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arrangements right quick.
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The deal was if they didn't cooperate,
we were going to arrest. If they did
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cooperate, we were going to take their
statement and then go ahead and document
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it and then refer it to the case agent
who would then take it to the federal
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prosecutor.
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I was almost done with my prison time
for doing the fraud that I did.
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And I see there's two tall gentlemen in
suits.
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They said, we're here for McDonald's
Monopoly. And they had this poster laid
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out. And Uncle Jerry was the middle
bubble.
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They had all these bubbles all around.
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And then they had these five bubbles.
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And I was that size bubble connected to
him.
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And it was Jerry Colombo deceased.
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There's my picture, Robin Colombo
incarcerated.
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You know, and I'm looking over it, and I
go, hmm, okay.
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And I said, I'll tell you what.
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Give me your card, and if I can think of
anything, I will get in touch with you.
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How about that?
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And they said.
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No, that's not how that works, Mrs.
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Columbo. I said, that's how this is
going to work right now.
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I said, let me tell you something.
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I have a little boy out there and a
daughter, and you don't know who you're
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messing with, and I'm not going to put
their lives in jeopardy.
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I got the card.
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They go to leave, and I'm going to
leave. I'm thinking, okay.
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I'm going back down to the girls' part,
right? Well, here come the officers from
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the prison. They go, Columbo, come back
up here.
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And they went to the chef for me. I go,
wait, wait, wait, what are you doing?
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They said, well, your custody level has
changed now because you're under
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investigation. I said, no, I'm not.
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I said, so whether I talk to them or
not, whatever, this is all?
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They said, yeah. I said,
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hold it. They said, no, Ms. Columbo. I
said, leave me alone.
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I'm calling the feds.
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I ran to the double doors, and that
double door opened.
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I said, hey, come here.
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They said, oh, you want to talk? I said,
yeah, come on in, come on. Take a mic
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and have some coffee.
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Can we have coffee?
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I think they want coffee.
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I said, you really know more than I do,
honestly.
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And, of course, they're like, well, why
don't you humor us?
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I said, well, let's do this. I need a
cigarette.
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So let's take a cigarette break. And I
was thinking about it.
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So I said, you really got to smooth it?
I said, I really do.
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You've got my nerves.
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Rax, as a matter of fact, I'm in one
now, talking about it.
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And you really should quit those things.
I said, yeah, today's not the day.
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Six o 'clock came.
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And they put me in where the TV room
was. John Ashcroft came on television.
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And my knees, I just kind of got weak
and knew it was over.
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This morning.
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The agents of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation arrested eight individuals
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several states for their involvement in
a nationwide scheme to defraud
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McDonald's corporations and its
customers by fraudulently manipulating
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McDonald's promotional prize contests.
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We want those involved in this type of
corruption to know that breaking the law
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is not a game.
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That day, everything went, you know,
really, literally according to plan.
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I mean, for a very fun, interesting day,
one I'll never forget.
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I want to commend the fine work of the
FBI and the Jacksonville Division of the
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United States Attorney's Office for the
Middle District of Florida.
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Everyone involved in this investigation
has worked hard to break this
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conspiracy.
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How do we miss this? There's like seven
winners in the 864 area code in the last
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four years. Like, how do we never put
two and two together ourselves if they
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kept coming from the same darn area?
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And we had done stories, like big
stories on two or three of the winners,
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the million -dollar winners, too, and we
had never put it together.
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So that was one of the things that was a
little bit kicking ourselves for
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journalism, like, oh, yeah, we just
never put that one together. So there
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little bit of egg on our face on that
one. Well, this story is going to make a
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lot of people angry.
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Prosecutors say it appears McDonald's
customers never really had a chance to
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the biggest prizes.
449
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:10,580
Frankly, the odds of your winning that
million -dollar jackpot in McDonald's
450
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:14,700
weren't that good to begin with. The FBI
said the odds were really about one and
451
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,810
zero. They needed their time. Many of
the winners were from the same family or
452
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:20,870
were closely related.
453
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:25,130
At the center of the fraud ring,
prosecutors say Jerome Jacobson assigned
454
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:27,870
place the winning big cash game pieces
into circulation.
455
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:32,690
Instead, the FBI says he stole them,
passing winning game pieces to his
456
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:36,430
who then recruited others to come
forward and claim the big prizes.
457
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:41,030
Jacobson has been given a go -to -jail
card for keeping the winning high -end
458
00:33:41,030 --> 00:33:44,990
ticket. And, says the FBI today, they
had a confidential informant who tipped
459
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:48,250
them off at first. Someone who had
knowledge of the scheme.
460
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:53,130
McDonald's was devastated by the news,
while a stunned spokesperson for Parker
461
00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:54,610
Brothers had only this reaction.
462
00:33:58,190 --> 00:34:03,310
We want you to have the opportunity to
see who Mr. Jacobs is.
463
00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:08,020
He's 58 years old. He's married and has
a family.
464
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:13,739
He knows the seriousness of these
charges.
465
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:20,120
And he also knows that he faces very
serious potential
466
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:27,080
punishment in prison if convicted of
these charges. We know many of you have
467
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,900
attempted to contact him, his wife, and
his family.
468
00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:39,139
and have been in his neighborhood, and
we are asking you to allow there to be
469
00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:45,219
some privacy for his family and for his
neighbors.
470
00:34:46,179 --> 00:34:53,040
Jerry Jacobson had retained counsel
fairly quickly, an attorney
471
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,740
by the name of Ed Garland, and so my
involvement was then.
472
00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:00,090
talking to the attorney.
473
00:35:00,430 --> 00:35:06,170
Once he has retained counsel, I've
instructed him that I should analyze the
474
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:08,130
before he speaks further with the
government.
475
00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:09,870
Are you going to share your motto?
476
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:16,010
We follow the motto, a fish wouldn't get
caught if he kept his mouth shut, and
477
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:18,510
that that's what a defendant needs to
know.
478
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:20,350
Stop the music.
479
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:22,210
Stand behind us.
480
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000
We do the fighting and the talking for
you.
481
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:29,460
We're saying that you have a rogue
employee that embezzles a piece, steals
482
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,440
bottom line. It was pretty clear that
Mark was coming full force.
483
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:38,240
The first conversation was, please,
straight up to the indictment and bring
484
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,740
every penny you have and your wife has.
It was the threats of, I'm going to take
485
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,440
everything down to her engagement ring.
486
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,640
Mark is a very effective...
487
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:57,170
a very talented lawyer, and uses his
power in a very assertive way
488
00:35:57,170 --> 00:36:00,070
on behalf of his client, the United
States.
489
00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:07,410
Ed and I had many cases together, and
he's a very experienced attorney. But I
490
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:10,530
told him that the chances for Mr.
491
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:16,470
Jacobson to go to trial and come out
without a conviction was zero.
492
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:21,010
When you deal with a lawyer like that,
you've got to let him know you're
493
00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:24,710
unintimidated and unintimidatable.
494
00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:30,370
So it became tense and confrontational
immediately.
495
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:38,130
Mr. Jacobs will not be making any
statements about this case until
496
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:40,910
he appears in court. Yeah, that was a
very interesting day.
497
00:36:41,110 --> 00:36:43,610
I sit down in front of the TV, I turn on
CNN Headline News.
498
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:45,930
Boom. Picture my dad.
499
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:50,010
And I was like, wow.
500
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:54,410
In the back of my mind, I was like, I
knew it.
501
00:36:55,070 --> 00:36:58,390
My mom and I always knew there was
something wrong, and here it is, right
502
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:59,590
in front of us now, right here on TV.
503
00:37:01,250 --> 00:37:02,490
It's not a surprise.
504
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:07,030
He was good at manipulating people. He
was good at it.
505
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:09,770
That's my dad.
506
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:15,950
I guess I was always questioning.
507
00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:18,150
the legitimacy of everything.
508
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:21,970
It was always something new. It was
always trips, and it was always doing,
509
00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:25,010
know, always just spending things
extravagantly, it seemed like to me.
510
00:37:26,590 --> 00:37:31,450
My mom and I always joked that we always
thought there was something not right
511
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:32,790
about him.
512
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:38,110
I knew he kept secrets from me.
513
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:41,170
Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no
lies.
514
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:43,450
And that's how I dealt with him.
515
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:47,590
If I didn't ask him any questions, He
didn't have to lie to me.
516
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:54,010
For instance, he said that he had this
swampland.
517
00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:59,230
He might go out and buy me something,
and I would say, Jerry, that's a lot of
518
00:37:59,230 --> 00:38:02,550
money. He would go, I sold a piece of
swampland.
519
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:08,850
Jerry was always trying to figure the
easy way.
520
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:11,310
How do you get a free lunch?
521
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:16,230
The moral of the story is, There are no
free lunches.
522
00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:21,910
But there may be some brownies hidden
somewhere.
523
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:26,670
Does that make any sense?
524
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:39,130
Mr. Jacobson was not helping us, and so
the question was still ongoing.
525
00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:42,510
How did he get the game pieces?
526
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:43,890
We know he did.
527
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:45,740
But how did he do it?
528
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:51,040
We didn't know if Dittler Brothers was
involved.
529
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:53,420
I mean, there was no details to
anything.
530
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,320
We don't know if it's just Jerry. We
don't know if it's everybody in there.
531
00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:04,860
I was furious that Jerry did what he did
because he put all of those people at
532
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:05,860
risk.
533
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:13,360
And we took a trip and actually went to
Dittler Brothers because there might
534
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,200
be... Somebody there inside.
535
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,180
When the FBI came in and shut everything
down and started gathering their
536
00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:24,520
evidence, and somebody came by and said,
the FBI's here and got everything shut
537
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,280
down, you don't go anywhere near there.
538
00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:31,620
Somebody's in trouble.
539
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:37,600
Somebody's in trouble, but what effect
it's going to have, I don't know.
540
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:45,160
Well, Roger, first let me underscore the
fact that Jerome Jacobson was not a
541
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,160
McDonald's employee.
542
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,260
He was, in fact, an employee of Simon
Marketing, which was the firm that
543
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:52,780
McDonald's had contracted to administer
its games.
544
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,740
McDonald's says tonight it has fired the
Georgia company that ran the contest.
545
00:39:56,780 --> 00:40:00,720
So now the FBI is investigating how many
other instant winners weren't so
546
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:01,780
instant after all.
547
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,600
The deception.
548
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:08,210
by Simon Marketing was unacceptable.
549
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:14,630
We really trusted them to run the game
for us. We had to end the relationship
550
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:16,610
gain the trust back with our customers.
551
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:22,470
Pretty much, I'd say McDonald's was 98 %
of our business.
552
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:33,430
The FBI showed up one day at the front
door and shut us down.
553
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:43,320
When the information came out, their
stock went from approximately $100 to
554
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,720
basically 50 cents.
555
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,400
These layoffs are bad.
556
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:53,300
It was the largest one -day drop on the
American stock exchange.
557
00:40:56,020 --> 00:41:00,340
Ensuring that these games are secure,
that is how they make a living.
558
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,600
Two days after McDonald's fired Sun and
Marketing from all future promotions, a
559
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,020
second major company has also pulled the
plug.
560
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:10,840
A couple days later, Kraft came out and
canceled their contract.
561
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:12,320
There's nothing left.
562
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,360
So it affected Chicago, L .A., Atlanta
office here in the States. We had an
563
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:26,960
office in London, Paris, Hong Kong, and
several manufacturing facilities in
564
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,960
China.
565
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,160
The people at Simon Marketing were good
people. They were professional.
566
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:35,580
We really loved working with them. So it
was devastating.
567
00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:40,090
when one bad apple wrecked the lives of
so many people.
568
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:42,070
They're gone, man, they're gone.
569
00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:55,490
We spent one night in jail for my bail.
They asked for a million dollars.
570
00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:58,530
The judge said, for this, you want a
million dollars?
571
00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:01,050
He said, 200 ,000.
572
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:08,220
I mean, the Lord really blessed me in a
bad situation because I had three lots
573
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,220
that were free and clear.
574
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,680
The tax value was exactly $200 ,000 on
those three lots.
575
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:17,520
So that was just a miracle.
576
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:22,740
These three lots here, the lake that's
over on this side, but these three lots
577
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:26,680
here are the three lots that I put up as
collateral for my property bond.
578
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:32,320
I understood it.
579
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:36,780
obviously, that something was amiss with
Dwight's story.
580
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,380
And I immediately called Dwight.
581
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,280
And I remember being
582
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:51,240
incredulous with him, who is the guy
that was going
583
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,320
through a divorce. Where'd you get this
ticket?
584
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,720
What's going on?
585
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,180
He said, George, I can't talk about it
right now. Don't worry.
586
00:42:59,380 --> 00:43:02,880
You don't have anything to worry about.
You didn't do anything wrong. It was me.
587
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:10,480
And I wasn't gravely concerned about it.
588
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,860
The thing that surprised me is they gave
me bond.
589
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,380
They never should have gave me bond.
590
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,480
I'm telling you, I was a fugitive back
in the 80s.
591
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:25,570
It was a mistake.
592
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:28,630
So I'm home about two days.
593
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:32,550
There's two guys at the gate with suits
on.
594
00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:36,190
I said, oh, they came back.
595
00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:38,090
They came back for me.
596
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:40,970
That's the marshals coming to get me.
597
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:46,850
Here it's Jehovah Witnesses.
598
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,660
I was never so happy to talk to a
Jehovah's Witness in my life.
599
00:43:57,140 --> 00:44:02,080
I was in my maternity shop in Coral
Gables. We have a TV going there all the
600
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,880
time. And they broke in the news that
the McDonald's thing had just been
601
00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:09,340
I was fucking floored.
602
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:10,780
Fucking floored.
603
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:14,640
Two seconds later, two FBI agents walked
in my store.
604
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,940
Doug Matthews and Rick Dent.
605
00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:22,110
and they said they'd like to talk to me
about the McDonald's case, and I knew I
606
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:23,110
was fucked.
607
00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:25,770
I knew I was fucked.
608
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:30,510
I'll be honest with you, I don't know if
Jerry turned me in or not.
609
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:35,470
Right after it happened, I flew to
Atlanta, Georgia.
610
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:40,430
I said, Jerry, how the fuck could you do
this? I says, how the fuck? I thought
611
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:45,570
we were done, and I was really pissed
because I had thought that night we were
612
00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:46,570
done.
613
00:44:53,680 --> 00:45:00,680
I had hired a local attorney to go with
me to the meeting with the FBI, and
614
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,500
he called me and said, George, you've
been indicted.
615
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,180
I was in shock.
616
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:19,220
You know, you don't know how to react
because you're being charged with a
617
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:20,560
federal crime.
618
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:28,440
My name appears in the text of major
newspapers and on major television
619
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,020
stations all across the nation. Friends
are calling me.
620
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,020
Families are calling me.
621
00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,560
Business acquaintances are calling me.
622
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:38,420
Customers are calling me.
623
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,360
Employees are calling me.
624
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,740
I didn't know what to tell them.
625
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:49,700
I didn't know what to tell my son.
626
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:52,420
who's eight years old at the time.
627
00:45:54,580 --> 00:46:00,080
Every kid in the school has a question
for Russell, and I don't know how to
628
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,080
him.
629
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,860
It was devastating.
630
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:15,860
George was very angry, upset, hurt.
631
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,440
But I tried to explain to him.
632
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,120
that I did everything in my power to
protect him from this.
633
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,120
At
634
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:40,960
some
635
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,920
point in time, though, and it was in
fairly short order, you snap out, I
636
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,820
out of it, and I took action. I went
down to Jacksonville,
637
00:46:51,130 --> 00:46:57,050
started making phone calls looking for
what I termed the best criminal lawyer
638
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:58,050
town.
639
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:09,950
I'm Curtis Scott Fogator. I'm an
attorney. I've been an attorney for
640
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:15,090
years. I was a federal prosecutor here
in town for 17 years, and I've been out
641
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,130
in private practice for some 20 years,
and I've been blessed to have been
642
00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:19,130
selected one of the top.
643
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,280
criminal defense attorneys in Northeast
Florida for the last couple of decades.
644
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,580
In 2001, I met George Chandler.
645
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,400
He was 29 years old.
646
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,760
Ninth grade education, but he's a
brilliant young man.
647
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,920
I was very impressed with his candor.
648
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,820
He explained how he had been hoodwinked
by his foster father, which, of course,
649
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:39,860
demonstrated innocence.
650
00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:42,700
I thought, well, we can probably make
this case go away pretty easily.
651
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,420
So I picked up the phone and called Mr.
Devereaux.
652
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,240
Mr. Fogatter interviewed me in January
of 1989 when I got hired in this office.
653
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,580
He's been to my house many times. I've
been to his house many times.
654
00:47:58,820 --> 00:48:02,000
At one point in time, we were very
sociable.
655
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:03,600
Not so much anymore.
656
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,160
I explained to him how George Van
Hoodwink did not know the tickets had
657
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,740
stolen or embezzled, and Mr. Devereaux's
response was, well, if I had dropped
658
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:16,860
Mr. Chandler's case, I'd have to drop
several others.
659
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:29,170
I was the first person to turn
themselves in.
660
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:31,650
I mean, they had me.
661
00:48:31,950 --> 00:48:37,230
I was scared as shit because just the
name Mark Devereaux just reminded me of
662
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:38,630
old southern gentleman.
663
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:43,530
I mean, I'll never forget the first time
I met him.
664
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:54,030
The only thing he said to me, don't ever
lie to me.
665
00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:56,870
He said, just don't ever lie to me.
666
00:48:57,370 --> 00:49:01,490
I said, hey, man, I did whatever I did,
and I'll tell you everything I did.
667
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:07,530
I ain't going to lie, because I've never
believed in lying anyhow. I wasn't
668
00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:08,530
going to start then.
669
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:19,330
The plan is to find a path to victory if
it is there, to protect the client, to
670
00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:20,330
help the client.
671
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:23,550
So if you start out, I'm just going
to...
672
00:49:24,010 --> 00:49:29,950
plead guilty, you never go through the
mental discipline of, can I find a way?
673
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:33,250
We probably started out and said, if you
want him as a witness, give him
674
00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:34,250
immunity.
675
00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:36,170
Something like that.
676
00:49:37,330 --> 00:49:43,730
And that would have met head on with the
180 degree
677
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:45,470
opposite position.
678
00:49:45,970 --> 00:49:48,150
Is a plea a possibility in this case?
679
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:51,150
A plea is always a possibility.
680
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:57,540
The issue of how he will address these
charges is being evaluated.
681
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,240
When you talk about what Jerry was
facing, it gets complicated.
682
00:50:04,820 --> 00:50:08,300
If you start adding up all of the
different counts that he was charged
683
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:09,960
was facing a lot of time.
684
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:12,420
And I know it was well over 10.
685
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:24,360
I remember it being, having a sense of
just, huge sympathy for the
686
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,920
ordeal that was being imposed on them
and the way it was being imposed.
687
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,760
Prosecutors say this is the man who
started it all. Jerome Jacobson faces
688
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,500
counts of conspiracy in a plot they say
involved $20 million worth of McDonald's
689
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,020
winning game prizes stolen and then sold
to friends and relatives.
690
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:47,740
If he could cooperate, it would provide
us just so much information to find all
691
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:48,740
these other winners.
692
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,360
And winners turned into recruiters.
693
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,900
and most importantly, to show exactly
how he did it.
694
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,880
We could not quite figure it out.
695
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:03,680
And now, we knew he was doing it, we
just didn't know the details on how he
696
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:04,680
doing it.
697
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,440
The government always wanted to know how
he did it, and he did not cooperate
698
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,440
from the beginning.
699
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:15,060
He would have, but for the fact that his
lawyers would not allow him to until we
700
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:16,060
worked everything out.
701
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,860
It was the, you know, talk peace but
prepare for war.
702
00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:24,890
We were preparing for a war.
703
00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:37,090
I don't think there ever was an exit
strategy to stopping. He'd been
704
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:40,810
it for 13 years. It's just gotten better
and probably easier for him to do.
705
00:51:42,090 --> 00:51:45,330
And I mean, the only reason he got
caught was because he pissed somebody
706
00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:48,050
somebody went to the FBI and said, hey,
guess what's happening?
707
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,800
The informant key to unlocking scam
behind the golden arches.
708
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:03,080
Of course, they never named who the
informant was, but that's how it all
709
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,080
apart.
710
00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:10,920
Do you have any idea who the informant
might have been?
711
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:12,180
Nope.
712
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,520
I think it was the FBI.
713
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,380
Before this ever went down, there was a
box.
714
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,180
Across the street from my house on a
pole.
715
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,040
Placed there by Blue Ridge Electric.
716
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:29,020
I'd always questioned what it was.
717
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,100
I've developed a lot of property.
718
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:33,840
I'd never seen that box.
719
00:52:34,780 --> 00:52:39,280
I was suspected they were eavesdropping
onto me.
720
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:46,560
Not because of McDonald's, but because
of a fellow developer here on the
721
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,180
lakes. The FBI came in.
722
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:54,970
The drug enforcement people came in.
Everybody came in, tied up all of this
723
00:52:54,970 --> 00:52:55,970
shit.
724
00:52:57,730 --> 00:53:00,290
And I was on the peripheral of that.
725
00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:08,830
Within a week after my arrest and after
this went down, Blue Ridge Electric
726
00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:12,290
Trucks came into the field across my
street, and that box was gone.
727
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:20,740
So that's why, to me, I've always felt
like their story of how an informant or
728
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:25,600
how somebody came forward, I felt like
that was bullshit.
729
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,240
Do you know who the informant is?
730
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:31,860
I do.
731
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:37,420
Next question.
732
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:44,040
Without the informant,
733
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:49,710
Telling the FBI where to go, who to look
at.
734
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:59,610
This case would have never been broken.
735
00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:01,150
Never.
736
00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:05,490
I will never tell you who the source
was.
737
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:10,690
You will never get that from me. If I
was a dead body, you could not get that
738
00:54:10,690 --> 00:54:11,690
off my corpse.
739
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:14,990
That's how much I think about the
Bureau.
740
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:17,660
It has to work like that, right?
741
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,040
If you had to make a guess, who do you
think the informant would be?
742
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,160
Well, I don't think it was anybody in
mind.
743
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,200
If it is, I'd be very surprised.
744
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,600
Real surprised. If you're going to
surprise me, go ahead and surprise me.
745
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:34,260
I know who broke the case.
746
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:40,660
At this moment right now, I'm not sure
if I feel comfortable saying who broke
747
00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:46,760
the case. I need to talk to some people
and make sure that... I'm not in danger
748
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,520
if I say who broke the case, because
right now...
749
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:57,480
I
750
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,460
don't know if it's going to come back
and bite me in the butt.
751
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,640
Who do you think it was?
752
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:09,060
Frank Limbaugh.
753
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:09,680
We had this big buildup of the case in
anticipation of the trial.
754
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,880
We had them.
755
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,920
We want to make sure justice was served.
756
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,840
We're feverishly working on how could
Jerome Jacobson steal winning pieces?
757
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,660
How did he do it?
758
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,340
Jerry Jacobson, tell the truth. What'd
you do?
759
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,800
No one knew.
760
00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:27,660
There's real permanent damage.
761
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:30,900
Without the informant, this case never
would have happened.
762
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,360
The informant was who?
763
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:35,540
Time to tell the truth.
764
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:40,360
Nobody suspected that.
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