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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,420 --> 00:00:08,880 We didn't know how the McDonald's Monopoly game was fixed. 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,340 So inside the wire room, people sitting there getting ready to listen, and 3 00:00:13,340 --> 00:00:14,340 nothing happened. 4 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:21,000 The FBI started coming up with, how do we get past winners to recount how they 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,400 allegedly won these pieces? 6 00:00:23,060 --> 00:00:28,780 Locking them into a story on camera takes a B -minus case and makes it a A 7 00:00:28,780 --> 00:00:29,780 case. 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,140 For a while, the question was, who is Uncle Jerry? 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,000 We were looking into Jerry Jacobson. We thought this may be the main guy. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,520 But there was always this inference that Uncle Jerry somehow connected to 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,180 organized crime. We found out that there was another Jerry involved named Jerry 12 00:00:46,180 --> 00:00:52,720 Colombo. My husband, he was part of the Colombo crime family. My Jerry and Jerry 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,900 Jacobson became partners on the mineral plating. 14 00:00:56,330 --> 00:00:57,410 My husband picked the winners. 15 00:00:57,850 --> 00:00:58,769 Can you spell that? 16 00:00:58,770 --> 00:00:59,770 Jerry, Jerry. 17 00:00:59,990 --> 00:01:05,690 Uncle Jerry is Jerome Jacobson, my husband. He got a lot of my family 18 00:01:05,690 --> 00:01:09,070 involved. And that isn't all. That was just a little piece of the pie. 19 00:01:31,850 --> 00:01:33,430 Cookie, where's Oliver? 20 00:01:34,610 --> 00:01:35,610 Oliver, 21 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:37,870 come on. 22 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:45,530 I helped pick the winners. 23 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:52,570 I gave them tickets to some friends of mine and family members who needed it. 24 00:01:56,750 --> 00:01:59,970 I wanted them happy, so... 25 00:02:01,900 --> 00:02:02,980 I gave him things. 26 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:07,860 I was going to get the million dollars, but I gave it to my father. 27 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:15,560 And maybe if certain things never happened, 28 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,820 this would not play a thing. But it would still be going on today. 29 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:23,640 It's true. 30 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:38,960 With Shamrock Productions and the quote -unquote reunion of winners, I think 31 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,620 some of them are pretty legendary in terms of what was captured on film. 32 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:48,180 Like Buddy Fisher and Mr. Hoover. 33 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:53,470 Gloria Brown was an instant million dollar winner. 34 00:03:53,690 --> 00:03:56,690 She had won in South Carolina. 35 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:06,450 Gloria had said her address was in the Hilton Head area of South Carolina, but 36 00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:08,590 she was from Jacksonville, Florida. 37 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:13,950 There was always something that I was trying to drive out. I was trying to 38 00:04:13,950 --> 00:04:19,010 expand the BS that they were trying to put out there. Because I know... 39 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:21,630 AUSA Devereaux needs a ground ball. 40 00:04:21,850 --> 00:04:23,310 Boy needs something easy. 41 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:26,910 I'm kidding. He's good at his job. 42 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:36,710 So when you were in South Carolina, what kind of work did you do there? 43 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:43,210 Well, I was unemployed at that time. But I am a social worker. I just was taking 44 00:04:43,210 --> 00:04:46,090 a break from stress. 45 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:48,410 I'm not doing it anymore, thank God. 46 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:51,480 So you were a social worker here. 47 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,600 Now, did you have family up in South Carolina or something? Why did you move 48 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,460 there? Most of my family is here. I had a friend, personal friend, and another 49 00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:04,420 friend, a couple of friends there that basically what I was doing was a lot of 50 00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:09,320 visiting, job searching at that time, so, you know, trying to relocate. One 51 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:16,260 thing that struck me was that Ms. Brown wasn't as open and friendly as Mr. 52 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,119 Hoover was. 53 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,780 She seemed to be on guard, whether or not she suspected something was 54 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:30,380 awry or not. She just wasn't as forthcoming. 55 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,980 What I'd like you to do, Gloria, is take us through what a normal day was for 56 00:05:35,980 --> 00:05:37,680 you in Hillhead. 57 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,600 And we want to basically tell them that she's a regular. 58 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Yeah, yeah. 59 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:44,580 It's a family play. Yeah, yeah. 60 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:50,040 Well, in Hilton Head, you know, during that time I was, you know, living with a 61 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:56,920 friend, of course, and trying to job hunt. And right now I have my own 62 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,800 agenda. You know, I have my patients to care for. 63 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:04,720 I'm busy. Like today I'm taking a trip, you know. 64 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,860 And day to day I work seven days a week, basically. You know, I'm on call all 65 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:11,499 the time. 66 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:13,640 So compared to back then. 67 00:06:15,070 --> 00:06:21,950 And to now, I would say that McDonald's has made it so that I can 68 00:06:21,950 --> 00:06:25,630 just fly without any stress, you know. 69 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,320 So how long did you live up there for? 70 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,600 A little over a year, back and forth. 71 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,640 Many of the winners were saying they lived in one area, but then had a post 72 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,180 office box where they would have their winnings sent to. So they would set up 73 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:39,200 fake addresses. 74 00:06:39,780 --> 00:06:44,300 And so a lot of the evidence that I was gathering was around where they lived, 75 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,840 exactly what store they won the McDonald's Monopoly piece at. 76 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:52,120 Doug, anything else we need to get about South Carolina for the story? 77 00:06:52,820 --> 00:06:57,130 So I said, Gloria, do you remember the McDonald's where you went to claim the 78 00:06:57,130 --> 00:06:58,130 prize? Absolutely. 79 00:06:58,470 --> 00:07:02,630 This is a picture. We took a picture of it and put it on this board. And she 80 00:07:02,630 --> 00:07:04,930 said, oh, my God, that's exactly the one. 81 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:09,930 And I said, you know what? Can you autograph that for us? If you could just 82 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:15,050 write, thanks, McDonald's. Thanks a million. Oh, that's good. Thanks a 83 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:17,730 That's good. And then sign it. That would be great. 84 00:07:18,490 --> 00:07:21,230 That picture that she signed, it was not in Hilton Head. 85 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:24,230 South Carolina was Jacksonville, Florida. 86 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:29,230 Lori, do you recall the person that you spoke to at the counter when you were 87 00:07:29,230 --> 00:07:30,230 using it? 88 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:32,610 No, I sure don't. 89 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:38,330 The fake address was a part of the scheme. And so Rick had this 90 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:43,810 photo of a McDonald's right there in Jacksonville. And I go, oh, my God, 91 00:07:43,810 --> 00:07:47,850 perfect. So I take it with me. What are you going to do with that? I'm going to 92 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:48,589 use it. 93 00:07:48,590 --> 00:07:50,030 Wait and see. I'm going to show you. 94 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:59,280 And as she's doing it, Amy, she's like, oh, my God, that's just, 95 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:00,880 that's not it. 96 00:08:01,140 --> 00:08:04,120 That's not it. And I'm looking over here. It's starting to get louder. 97 00:08:04,420 --> 00:08:10,340 And I'm like, I'm looking back and do you want that here? I mean, they're 98 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:11,340 can hear that. 99 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,820 That's perfect. Thank you so much. 100 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:15,300 That's my love. 101 00:08:15,370 --> 00:08:19,010 Every time I talked to them, they would just lie, lie, lie. 102 00:08:19,530 --> 00:08:23,250 And it was perfect for the FBI because it was really building evidence and 103 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:26,570 helping them build their case. But we also wanted to make sure that it seemed 104 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:30,630 like we were having fun because, once again, that's how it would be at a real 105 00:08:30,630 --> 00:08:34,770 shoot. Now, what I want you to do is take us through, like, I got my million 106 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:39,450 dollars, and I took it to this McDonald's in Hilton Head, South 107 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,400 And it made me, and I want you to stand up real slowly, and I want you to point 108 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,400 to your star. 109 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:45,560 Okay. 110 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:47,620 Doug brought a lot of that energy. 111 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,840 Now that sounds cheesy, but it looks good when you put it together. Here you 112 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,620 are. We love doing goofy stuff. We can't help ourselves. 113 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,660 That's typical Matthews. That's what he would do. 114 00:09:01,340 --> 00:09:02,840 Thanks a million, McDonald's. 115 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,780 Look right in the camera and say that. 116 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,820 Thanks a million, McDonald's. 117 00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:10,180 And it was hard sometimes to keep a straight face, to be honest with you. 118 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,580 It was very hard at times because the things we were doing with the light 119 00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:19,080 or the camera and fitting them and fixing them up, we had no idea. 120 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:26,000 I got my McDonald's Million at Hilton Head in South Carolina, and it made me 121 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,780 a millionaire. 122 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:34,480 Now, pretty close. Pretty close, okay. 123 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,240 What I figured out at an early age in the Bureau is you push it, and then you 124 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,260 think it, you keep pushing. You never know when you're going to hit a wall. 125 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,540 of course, I never found the bottom. The bottom of the tea glass, right, is 126 00:09:47,540 --> 00:09:48,540 perfect for me. 127 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:49,660 Just keep going. 128 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:51,660 And, of course, she did. 129 00:09:52,580 --> 00:09:55,400 Ronald and I will see you 130 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:01,020 in Vegas. 131 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,580 Thank you, McDonald's. 132 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:15,740 We knew it was such good evidence, having Gloria sitting here just making 133 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:19,320 story up and doing it with this sincerity, this fake sincerity. 134 00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:23,940 As a criminal investigator, it was an awesome thing to behold. 135 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,080 There were so many different layers of the conspiracy that we were 136 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,080 investigating. 137 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:36,760 And the more sophisticated a scheme, the more difficult it is to prosecute the 138 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,600 case. Now you have actual video production that you can show a jury. 139 00:10:41,020 --> 00:10:42,420 That's very powerful. 140 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:51,700 By this time, literally almost the whole office now, or a big majority of them, 141 00:10:51,740 --> 00:10:55,180 have been diverted to work on what we call Operation Final Answer. 142 00:10:58,670 --> 00:11:01,470 We worked seven days a week on a regular basis. 143 00:11:01,850 --> 00:11:06,670 But at times it did not feel like work. We had great camaraderie between all of 144 00:11:06,670 --> 00:11:09,890 the agents that we're working at, and we knew the mission is what we were trying 145 00:11:09,890 --> 00:11:12,150 to accomplish was a noble one and a good one. 146 00:11:12,610 --> 00:11:14,490 So nobody ever complained about it. 147 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:22,190 Things were moving fast, and naturally we always want to. 148 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,900 move at our pace. We want to control the timing of things. And we did not have 149 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:31,560 that luxury. The game was running. There was a clock running on how long we 150 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:32,560 could keep it a secret. 151 00:11:33,540 --> 00:11:38,180 Throughout this, we were really, really racking up incredible evidence, 152 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,160 discovering new people, proving all different elements of what was going on. 153 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,220 we kind of knew the process of how these were placed. But the one thing that was 154 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:51,120 still out there was, how is Jerry Jacobson doing this? 155 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:56,260 That was kind of this nagging, you know, this nagging question mark. 156 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,120 What we had to vet out is who was helping Jerry. 157 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,500 Hilda Bennett was the CPA that would travel with Mr. 158 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:14,000 Jacobson to these various manufacturing plants, and we didn't know, are they in 159 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 cahoots? 160 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,180 On an investigation, you just don't cut somebody out. 161 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:23,030 And so we had to surveil Miss Bennett as well. 162 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:34,130 You want your ears? 163 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:41,170 Yep. I need to get a large coffee with ten 164 00:12:41,170 --> 00:12:43,590 cream and five sugar. 165 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:49,030 Anything else? Yep, another large coffee with ten cream and five equal. 166 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:52,290 Okay. That is equal? Yep. Awesome. Thank you. 167 00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:53,510 Have a great day. 168 00:12:57,130 --> 00:12:58,130 Oh, that's perfect. 169 00:13:00,770 --> 00:13:03,750 One time I seen Uncle Jerry was up in Georgia. 170 00:13:04,010 --> 00:13:05,830 My brother went to go visit. 171 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:11,010 I stayed in the car. I didn't get out of the car because he didn't directly 172 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:13,530 involve me because he was always trying to protect me. 173 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:16,710 But giving you a little taste at the same time. 174 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:18,430 I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. 175 00:13:22,830 --> 00:13:27,430 Uncle Jerry was a middle -aged guy, just normal average height, normal average 176 00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:29,610 build, but size doesn't matter. 177 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:34,350 Like my dad always used to say, and still does say, as long as this works, 178 00:13:34,510 --> 00:13:36,530 that's all I need, one finger. 179 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:40,450 And it's the truth. And the family that's backing you. Yeah, and the family 180 00:13:40,450 --> 00:13:41,910 that's backing us. That's a big thing. 181 00:13:46,610 --> 00:13:51,830 Jerome was getting the ticket, but when it came to person to ticket, 182 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:59,360 I don't think he had the resources to do the big $1 million hits everywhere, so 183 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,160 I think that's where my brother took the reins of everything. 184 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:08,960 So Uncle Jerry was getting the tickets and selling them to my brother, and then 185 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,640 my brother would sell them to other people, and it was just a, literally, it 186 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,540 a monopoly of scams. 187 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,460 Every ticket was a little different. 188 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:26,380 The agreement with Uncle Jerry was, depending on the value of the ticket, 189 00:14:26,380 --> 00:14:31,020 million -dollar tickets were going for 50 grand. Uncle Jerry would get the 50, 190 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,580 and then my brother would get half of whoever won. So if they got the payments 191 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:40,820 for 20 years or so forth, he'd get half, and then the winner would get half. So 192 00:14:40,820 --> 00:14:44,740 it was a better deal for my brother long -term than it was for Uncle Jerry. 193 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,580 I really didn't think much of it because someone had to win. 194 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:02,720 So in my brother's eyes, it was like, okay, well, instead of Joe Schmo 195 00:15:02,980 --> 00:15:05,280 I'm going to make, you know, John Schmo win. 196 00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:07,200 The money's still going to go somewhere. 197 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,020 They were just redirecting it. 198 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,900 The $1 million ticket was supposed to be our wedding gift. We were married 199 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:16,420 November 24, 1997. 200 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:18,640 1996. 201 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 1996. 202 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,900 Let's start that over again. 203 00:15:23,329 --> 00:15:24,329 Okay. 204 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:32,090 But that was going to be our gift, our wedding gift. Free of charge. 205 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:33,590 We didn't have to buy it. 206 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:40,710 The McDonald's piece was in one of the little, I guess you'd call them eggs, 207 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:42,770 like you kids get toys in it, the gumball machines. 208 00:15:43,090 --> 00:15:46,570 It was in there, in the back of the freezer, underneath two ice cube trays. 209 00:15:47,890 --> 00:15:49,550 I remember exactly how it sat. 210 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:50,909 It was just chilling. 211 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:51,910 It was just chilling. 212 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,040 I always looked up to my brother. He was my protector, pretty much. 213 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,480 He would always come to visit me and throw me a couple thousand dollars like 214 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,040 was me giving away a couple of dollars to the kids. 215 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:12,320 This is our son Frankie. He dropped about $150 ,000, and we just decided to 216 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,720 a picture. We thought it was kind of funny. 217 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,780 I was so upset over that picture because it was such dirty money around such a 218 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:19,040 clean, perfect baby. 219 00:16:19,460 --> 00:16:23,900 It was pretty crazy, but with that comes a price. 220 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:32,240 Put it this way, Uncle Jerry called my home at least three times a week to tell 221 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,540 Jerry what he had to do next. 222 00:16:33,940 --> 00:16:38,020 He and I would talk, you know, sometimes 30 minutes, sometimes 45 minutes. 223 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:41,000 And my husband would meet him in Atlanta. 224 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:49,020 I don't know how many people he hooked up. 225 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,840 It was way more than I thought it was. 226 00:16:52,719 --> 00:16:56,880 My brother had a lot of connections all over the place because he had nightclubs 227 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,640 and certain things that he was doing that I can't really mention because I'm 228 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,080 sure the FBI is going to watch this tape someday. 229 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:05,000 But there was a lot of things that he was into. 230 00:17:05,980 --> 00:17:11,480 So my brother started, you know, expanding to in -laws and brother -in 231 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,960 friends and friends of friends. And that's how he took this little small 232 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,700 operation and made it huge. 233 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,200 I was working at the airlines in Jacksonville here, and a passenger came 234 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,200 named Colombo. 235 00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:35,040 Right off the bat, he was very personable and a gentleman. 236 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:40,560 My last name was Italian, so he seemed to take a liking to me. 237 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,340 First thing he said to me was like, hey, here's somebody, go eat, go eat. And I 238 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:48,020 just thought that was so funny because that's how Italians are. 239 00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:52,660 And it just made me feel at ease with him that this is a good person. 240 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:59,180 I never knew he was married. I didn't really care because I didn't really have 241 00:17:59,180 --> 00:18:03,340 any relationship on that level, you know, in my mind anyways. 242 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,780 One day we were just driving around and he says, hey, I want to show you 243 00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:12,020 something. So we pulled over. 244 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,040 And he reaches around the back seat and he pulls out the winning pieces. It was 245 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,080 like the whole thing. It's $100 ,000. 246 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:27,300 And I was like, wow, so many people are trying to win this thing, and you're 247 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:28,560 sitting here with all four pieces. 248 00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:30,140 You know what I mean? 249 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:35,740 If you're interested, he says, just walk in McDonald's, and this is what you've 250 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:37,860 got to do, and this is how it rolls. 251 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,360 He goes, I'll give you $20 ,000 now, and then I'll give you another $10 ,000 252 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:43,360 later. 253 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,620 And I thought, wow, that's a lot of money. 254 00:18:45,860 --> 00:18:47,800 You know what I mean? I could go buy me a car. 255 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,560 You know, I could go do some stuff, you know. Because by saying, you know, I'm 256 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,260 working at the airlines, what am I making? 257 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:55,160 You know, $10 an hour? 258 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,120 I was game for something exhilarating. 259 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:03,440 So he had me fly to Philly. 260 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,900 Being that I'm with the airlines, I can do that. 261 00:19:06,740 --> 00:19:07,980 He picked me up at the airport. 262 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:10,620 We drove right to McDonald's. 263 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,820 And I didn't even have to think for myself. 264 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,440 You know what I mean? Just follow the script. 265 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:16,900 And that's exactly what I did. 266 00:19:18,670 --> 00:19:21,550 And I was just like, um, I'm the winner. 267 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:24,830 And he's like, oh, so you're the winner. 268 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:27,830 It was just too easy. 269 00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:36,390 But I didn't know the aftermath that was to follow. 270 00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:39,650 I mean, because there were things that nobody knew. 271 00:19:40,170 --> 00:19:41,870 And I just kept it all to myself. 272 00:19:49,550 --> 00:19:55,970 My husband, he picked the winners, but he kept picking Italians on the East 273 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:56,970 Coast. 274 00:19:57,150 --> 00:19:59,890 They were kind of being stupid about it. 275 00:20:01,070 --> 00:20:03,390 Somebody was bound to get suspicious. 276 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:07,790 So I told my husband, I've got a friend in Jacksonville. 277 00:20:08,050 --> 00:20:10,910 Bring some women into it and women of color. 278 00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:43,270 My name is Gloria Brown Byard, and I live in Jacksonville. I've been here all 279 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:44,270 life. 280 00:20:47,030 --> 00:20:51,230 I didn't want to be interviewed anymore. I didn't want to talk to anybody else 281 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:53,430 about the McDonald's thing. 282 00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:58,170 Because it was all a lie. 283 00:21:00,870 --> 00:21:03,430 I was a McDonald's million -dollar winner. 284 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,660 This is the first time that I really just had the opportunity to just really 285 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:15,380 just say, okay, I'm going to lay all my cards on the table and tell everything. 286 00:21:15,860 --> 00:21:20,720 I mean, even though my sister was there, she don't know all the details. 287 00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:25,680 I mean, she'll be hearing this for the first time herself, some of this stuff. 288 00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:34,440 I have a son, and I raised him as a single parent. 289 00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:40,350 He, as a child, was very understanding. We had a relationship where if money was 290 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:44,370 not available, I discussed it with him, and we worked it out together. 291 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:50,330 I always had to work, and I always managed to keep a job, but it was always 292 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:51,330 struggle. 293 00:21:52,570 --> 00:21:59,470 Years passed by, and I didn't see Robin for some years. And when she called me, 294 00:21:59,650 --> 00:22:01,670 she told me she had got married. 295 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:06,390 and thinking maybe now she has somebody that can look out for her. And she was 296 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:08,090 very happy being with Jerry. 297 00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:16,530 I think it was in 97, Robin had called me and said she had something she wanted 298 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:18,430 to discuss with me, but we couldn't talk about it over the phone. 299 00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:24,930 So Jerry asked me to come and visit. It was at their home in South Carolina. 300 00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:31,220 My first impression of Jerry Colombo was that he was a real -life comedian type 301 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:36,480 guy, you know, and he treated me just like I had been around the whole time. 302 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:43,220 But the thing that bothered me is that there was never any time that she and I 303 00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:43,979 could be alone. 304 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:46,580 Even when we went shopping, he went shopping with us. 305 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:52,890 One night I had just said, can you just leave us alone for a few minutes? 306 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:54,110 Darn, Jerry. 307 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:58,230 And then he left us alone just for a few minutes and he came back. We were not 308 00:22:58,230 --> 00:23:00,190 allowed to really discuss anything. 309 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:07,570 Finally, he talked to me about a proposition. 310 00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:11,950 And it was a proposition that would help me. 311 00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:15,890 He asked me, was I familiar with the McDonald's game piece? 312 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:17,230 I said, yes. 313 00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:18,450 So he said, 314 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:22,160 People are picked to be winners. 315 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,160 This is how it's always been done. 316 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:31,480 And then he told me that he would let me know what the next step was. 317 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:41,620 When I first got the offer, I thought to myself that there 318 00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:43,380 was a blessing that came knocking at my door. 319 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,380 You know, I was going to church, and I was trying to do the right thing. 320 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,440 And my son was young, and I was making 321 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,360 probably about $24 ,000 a year. 322 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:09,080 By the time taxes and stuff come out, it's really nothing. 323 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:14,780 And I just wanted a better life, and I just felt like this was my opportunity. 324 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:16,700 And I said, well. 325 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,980 This couldn't come to me if it wasn't meant for me. 326 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:28,980 My brother was always joking around, always making people laugh, always 327 00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:31,120 good time, very lighthearted. 328 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:36,100 But if you pissed him off, then he can have a temper as well. 329 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:40,780 But he never was the type of person who would grab you or, you know, threaten 330 00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:41,780 you or rough you up. 331 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:46,580 You knew if he looked at you and he told you exactly what he wanted you to do. 332 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,440 You knew you had to do it. 333 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,480 The whole relationship changed. 334 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,960 It got to the point that I didn't talk to Robin anymore. 335 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,220 I only talked to Jerry Colombo. 336 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:11,500 And I finally got the information from him that I was going to be a million 337 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:14,460 -dollar winner and that he needed me to come up with some money. 338 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:21,560 And I'm asking him why. Then he said, everybody that wins has to give some 339 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,560 upfront money. 340 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,060 I'm like, how much? 341 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:30,440 And he asked me, how much can I come up with? I said, I really don't have any 342 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,360 money. So he said, can you get money off your house? 343 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,080 Came back out now. He's told me too much. 344 00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:53,700 I mortgaged my home to get my upfront money. 345 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,520 I put all the stuff I worked hard for on the line because I believed that this 346 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,520 was mine. 347 00:26:20,439 --> 00:26:26,780 I met him on the side of the road and gave him my first portion of my money. 348 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,620 It felt like something had just been ripped from me. 349 00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:50,230 You know, to meet somebody on the side of the road and give them cash money 350 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:56,230 much at one time, that's more than I ever had in my hand at one time in my 351 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:57,790 and I just had to give it all away. 352 00:26:59,110 --> 00:27:05,070 I just felt that I just had gave my life away, and I'm giving it to somebody I 353 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:06,070 don't know much about. 354 00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:09,110 Can I even trust this guy, you know? 355 00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:50,400 Before my husband was working the Monopoly fraud game, we had my son, 356 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Gennaro Colombo. 357 00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:56,220 I 358 00:27:56,220 --> 00:28:04,240 was 359 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,780 at times really very happy. 360 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:17,870 Son, I had some money. I should have at least been having a good time. 361 00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:21,890 But I was never satisfied, ever. 362 00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:26,950 I went from home to home thinking that one was going to make it better. You 363 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:29,850 don't have friends. You can't bring friends in that lifestyle. 364 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:38,590 Even though I adored my husband, I found out I had a mistress on the side, which 365 00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:40,350 I guess is a prerequisite. 366 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,380 Italian gangster to have a mistress. 367 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,540 I was walking down the hallway to check on Frankie while he was sleeping, and I 368 00:28:55,540 --> 00:29:00,820 heard my husband on the telephone saying some 369 00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:04,180 unsavory words to her. 370 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:10,240 And I barged in. I said, who the hell are you talking to? And I took the phone 371 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,240 from him. 372 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,220 And I took it and I slammed it across his face. 373 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,160 They did get in a lot of fights. 374 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:22,840 She would say a lot of mean, nasty things to him. She was very abusive as 375 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,800 physical slapping and so forth and so on. 376 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:29,480 Robin would just try swinging and clawing at him. He would grab her hand 377 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,680 say, stop, stop, stop it. 378 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,820 Anytime I threatened to leave him, Uncle Jerry would step in. 379 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:50,280 10, 15 grand, buy me a car, whatever to appease me. 380 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,940 And so I wouldn't leave. 381 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,060 My brother was always making money, and he was never home. 382 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:05,980 He always had an excuse to go somewhere, to go on a business trip, to be 383 00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:06,980 somewhere. 384 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,800 So I knew he wasn't happy. 385 00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:16,170 During the Monopoly situation, my brother wanted to open up a club in 386 00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:17,770 County, South Carolina. 387 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:21,630 I believe he was trying to get away from the life of crime and he was trying to 388 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:23,510 make a legitimate business. 389 00:30:24,050 --> 00:30:29,610 So he opened up a place called the Fuzzy Bunny. The Fuzzy Bunny opened its doors 390 00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:33,330 just a half hour ago, opening the doors to a steamy controversy. 391 00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:37,540 Grinnell? Well, Debbie, we are here at the Fuzzy Bunny, which is located on 392 00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:42,700 Highway 78 in Royal, just down the road from the fairgrounds in Lassen. And the 393 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,600 entertainment and the dancing have begun here at the club. 394 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,280 He had some dancers. They were wearing bikini tops and panties and shorts. 395 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,720 He was not full nudity. He wasn't full nudity. He wanted to do classy places. 396 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:55,940 He had his morals. 397 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,020 Yeah, he had his morals. 398 00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:59,220 I got girls in daisy dukes, tops. 399 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,660 I got volleyball courts being built outside. 400 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:04,770 We have live concerts here on weekends. 401 00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:08,290 And basically, that's about it, really. He wanted to make, like, a gentleman's 402 00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:12,010 club. And his goal was to open up four or five of these all through Hilton Head 403 00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:13,330 in North and South Carolina. 404 00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:16,830 The county kept on fighting him and fighting him and fighting him. 405 00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:20,550 They kept on shutting him down for this permit, that permit. 406 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:23,170 That's not going to stop you from... That's not going to stop us. My attorney 407 00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:26,650 told me, I mean, whatever we got to do, we're going to do. 408 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,900 I mean, I'm out here trying to earn a living for my family just like you are, 409 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:32,940 and that's it. I was proud of him for actually doing something legal for once. 410 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,540 One time he tried to do something legit. 411 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:38,640 Right? Some people have already trickled into the establishment here. Coming 412 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,640 soon. 413 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,340 Fuzzy bunnies. I hate it so much. 414 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,820 And I told my husband, I said, I know you. 415 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,120 You couldn't just open a club. 416 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,060 You have to try them out. 417 00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:53,720 And I told him to stop. 418 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,320 There is an existing court order where the club cannot be opened. 419 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:05,120 Three months later, I thought he had sold it or whatever, so no more Fuzzy 420 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,120 Bunny. 421 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:13,100 And then one night, my son and I went out to dinner. He was like two, about 422 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,980 years old. We're driving down the road, and I pass Fuzzy Bunny. 423 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,260 And I looked, and there's a bunch of guys, and I'm like, damn, there's my 424 00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:26,170 I got a little closer, and I said, and there's my big fat husband. And I turned 425 00:32:26,170 --> 00:32:29,810 around, and I jumped up on the curb, and I went, oh! 426 00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:37,170 And Jerry, he was sitting back, a big fat cat on the phone. 427 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:40,630 And I just punched him right in the jaw. 428 00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:43,550 I said, you are so divorced. 429 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:47,250 All the guys were just standing there and just staring. 430 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:49,230 And I said, you're going down. 431 00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:50,450 Oh, you mother. 432 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Oscars are going down. Every single one of you. I'm going to the FBI. 433 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,640 I said, I'm going to the Witness Protection Program. 434 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,460 I said, so just watch out. 435 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,920 So I go to a pay phone. I call my parents. 436 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,260 And I said, Mom, I need you to take two names down. 437 00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:16,880 She goes, what the hell have you done? I said, well, I just threatened 30 goons 438 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,800 with the FBI. 439 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:23,610 So if you don't hear from me in a couple days, you will have to contact them and 440 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:24,610 give them these names. 441 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,910 And Uncle Jerry was on that list. 442 00:33:30,370 --> 00:33:34,450 They beat me home, my husband and two big -ass goons. 443 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:42,050 And I said, this is what I want. I want a moving truck here and a divorce. 444 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:47,510 He goes, Robin, you're never leaving me. 445 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:48,940 There is no divorce. 446 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,920 You're stuck with me. 447 00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:54,560 So I called Uncle Jerry. 448 00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,120 And he says, you married the wrong guy. 449 00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:00,540 And he asked me to marry him. 450 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,500 Yeah. Hold on. 451 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:04,940 Really? 452 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:06,340 Yeah. 453 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960 And I told him, no. 454 00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,719 And I thought, you know, I'm never going to get out of this. 455 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,960 So I stayed. 456 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,440 But I was a prisoner in my own home. 457 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,540 Derek Colombo told me that I had to have a South Carolina address. 458 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,900 And he had a cousin. 459 00:34:43,370 --> 00:34:47,030 that lived at this particular spot, and this was going to be my address. 460 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:51,230 And at that point, I'm like, oh, gosh. 461 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:54,570 This isn't what I was expecting. 462 00:34:57,530 --> 00:35:03,530 He coached me on some things that I needed to say and work on and believe. 463 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:08,290 I had to leave my voice on the voicemail as if it was my home. 464 00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:14,870 He made me do it till I got it right. 465 00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:19,170 He wanted the right tone, you know. It had to be happy. 466 00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:28,010 One of the things that constantly crossed my mind is that my life was in 467 00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:32,550 I had no other option but to take this process through. 468 00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:40,130 Robert knew all of my family and my son. 469 00:35:42,220 --> 00:35:43,800 I just kind of felt like I was trapped. 470 00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:47,660 It was no way out but to go through it. 471 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:53,020 When time to turn the game piece in, he picked me up. Two men. 472 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,300 Didn't know either one of them. 473 00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:59,700 I almost felt kidnapped in a sense. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you're 474 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,460 here, and you're going to ride with us, and you're going to do what we say. 475 00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:05,300 And you're going to do it right. 476 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,940 All the way there, Jerry Colombo never stopped talking. 477 00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:13,780 They're telling me what to do and what you're going to say. I mean, he was just 478 00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:15,120 drilling me. How are you going to do it? 479 00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:21,060 And they drove me to the McDonald's that they had picked out that I was going to 480 00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:22,060 go to. 481 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,300 They parked the car in the corner. 482 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,400 The ticket was in a little valve about this tall with a cap on it. 483 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,920 There I was, walking down this block in a place I had never been before. 484 00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:41,410 I was like... Bank robbery or something, you know, they're on the block down 485 00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:44,750 there. They don't want to be seen. They're down the street, the getaway 486 00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:48,690 And I'm like, oh, Lord, this could go so bad. 487 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:53,010 A lot of things are going through my mind. 488 00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:57,350 Am I going to lie enough to be believable? 489 00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:01,070 Am I going to mess up and then I'm in trouble? 490 00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:07,290 It's all kind of stuff that's going around. Am I going to jail today behind 491 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:08,290 foolishness? 492 00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:14,190 And at this point in time, I was kind of panicked. 493 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:19,050 And I'm saying to myself, oh, Lord, Jesus. 494 00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:22,230 I wanted to cry before I got into the place. 495 00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:24,710 And I said, no, you can't go in there upset. 496 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:32,950 I had not be Gloria at that time. I had to become somebody else to make it 497 00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:33,950 believable. 498 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:41,780 Here we go. 499 00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:50,980 And I had to go in and stand to this counter and tell them that it looked 500 00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:51,980 I'd been a wimp. 501 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,440 The managers came out. They have a seat. 502 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,460 And I had to give them my information, the fake telephone number, the fake 503 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:03,460 address. 504 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,000 and then they finally came out and congratulated me. 505 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:55,020 The manager at the McDonald's, the cashiers, everybody running around so 506 00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:58,700 that they got the winner come to their McDonald's. 507 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,720 And there I was. I couldn't even hardly put a smile on my face. 508 00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:12,260 By the time I got to the car, got back to the car, Jerry Colombo was having a 509 00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:16,280 fit because it took too long. 510 00:39:18,799 --> 00:39:22,520 And there he was, as soon as I get in the car, okay, well, what you get on? 511 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:26,460 And I had to explain to him, well, what were you doing all that time? 512 00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:29,140 I was sitting waiting, you know. 513 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,620 What did they tell you? 514 00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:34,920 So they told me they'd be getting back with me. 515 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,460 I hung around another day, and then I came on my bike to Jacksonville and went 516 00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:44,460 back to work. 517 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,200 Like nothing had happened, and I just had to wait. 518 00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:06,150 My brother would use loopholes after loophole after loophole, and they 519 00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:11,010 came up with one that was saying you can't have female dancers within a 520 00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:13,910 feet of a school or something of that nature, what it was. 521 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:20,270 So... He turned the Fuzzy Bunny into the Church of Fuzzy Bunny. The Church of 522 00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:23,750 Fuzzy Bunnies. The Church of Fuzzy Bunnies. The transformation of their 523 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:28,270 into a church. Dancing girls, alcoholic drinks, and the Bible. 524 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:33,870 Low country preachers say the switch from Fuzzy Bunny Club to Fuzzy Bunny 525 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:35,930 is nothing but blasphemy. 526 00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:39,680 I really honestly didn't see the big deal in it. I'll be honest with you, 527 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,299 I swear. 528 00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:45,120 And I mean, I'm a woman, but I really didn't see the huge deal. Those two 529 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,920 mix, as far as I'm concerned. Church and strip joints just don't mix. 530 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,260 They can't fool people. 531 00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:53,520 No good people is going to be going in that place. 532 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,360 I don't see nothing. We're having a place where you can come in, say a few 533 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,660 prayers, have a couple drinks, see some women dancing. 534 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,280 He liked to be the center of attention. 535 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:06,020 And if you messed with him, he would just play that game as long as it took. 536 00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:08,700 Marianne, you're next on the line with Jerry Colombo. Go ahead. 537 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:10,460 Go ahead, Marianne. 538 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:16,980 Yes, I think what you're doing is abomination to God, and it's wrong 539 00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:20,700 in the eyes of God, and really it's wrong in morals, too. 540 00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:22,420 All right. Thank you. 541 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440 Well, I guess God hasn't talked to you lately. He came to me in a dream a 542 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,580 weeks ago, and he told me what I'm doing is fine. 543 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,660 You say that with somewhat of a smirk on your face. I mean, you had to have. I 544 00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:34,060 did have a dream one night. 545 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,330 That's why. Why, we all have dreams. I don't know if it's divine or religion. 546 00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:38,390 This one was divine. 547 00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:40,350 We never went. 548 00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:42,850 No. No. It sounded like a fun time, though. 549 00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:46,970 I mean, a little prayer, a little pasty. Right? 550 00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:52,510 Now, all the publicity that has come out of the situation with Fuzzy Bunnies has 551 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:57,770 earned owner Jerry Colombo notice from the National Enquirer, Comedy Central, 552 00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:02,190 the cable channel, and this Friday, he has a scheduled guest appearance for the 553 00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:03,190 David Letterman Show. 554 00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:10,640 Do you think that Jerome Jacobson was angry at your Jerry for the attention 555 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,280 he was getting for it? Oh, yeah. 556 00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:13,740 Yes. 557 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:19,740 Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper. Jerry Colombo. Jerry Colombo. Jerry Colombo. 558 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,820 Jerry Colombo. Jerry Colombo. 559 00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:24,820 This 560 00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:32,740 is 561 00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:35,890 my... First letter of congratulation. 562 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:40,650 They're congratulating me for being a million -dollar winner and explaining to 563 00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:47,170 me that I'll be getting $50 ,000 for the next 20 years. 564 00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:54,230 The check came in the mail, which that went to my fake address, and Jerry 565 00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:59,770 brought it to me. And I told him I deposited the check, and then he said, 566 00:42:59,770 --> 00:43:01,270 didn't get any cash off of it? 567 00:43:02,259 --> 00:43:06,740 I'm like, no, they got to put a hold on it. During that time, my bank account 568 00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:07,740 was always low. 569 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,020 So I had to go back to the bank and insist on getting something. 570 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:21,960 So I got $2 ,000, and I gave it to him. When it did clear, he was 571 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,880 calling me to add to the $2 ,000 and make it $25 ,000. 572 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:30,560 So I just took the money and gave it to him. 573 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,980 Ask any questions. 574 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:38,580 He worked out a deal where what I had, he took. 575 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:46,100 And for the first five years, I had to give them, give 576 00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:49,400 Jerry Colombo $25 ,000. 577 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,460 Nothing changed for me. I never acted like I had money. 578 00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:04,230 Because I was in a deeper hole than what I was before I did it. 579 00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:09,270 Took my mortgage up higher, of course. And I went from paying $300 and 580 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:10,530 a month to $1 ,000. 581 00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:15,450 So I was like, that's when I found out about the taxes. 582 00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:21,210 Jerry Colombo got $25 ,000 each time before taxes. 583 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:30,330 I didn't go out and buy anything. 584 00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:32,690 I couldn't buy anything. 585 00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:34,750 I was so stressed. 586 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:39,110 Well, Jerry Colombo always had to consult with the head man. 587 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:41,090 Let me call Uncle Jerry. 588 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:46,270 Uncle Jerry is being reported to about everything. 589 00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:51,750 During that time, I felt like Uncle Jerry was the main mob man. 590 00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:57,170 But then that first year, McDonald's wanted me to do. 591 00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:00,490 All this publicity, but I just couldn't get into it. 592 00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:08,690 Jerry Colombo's thing was, they want you to advertise because you are the first 593 00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:09,690 black. 594 00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:10,890 And you're a female. 595 00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:13,790 And you got a million dollars. 596 00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:20,950 And I'm saying to myself, yeah, but I don't want to keep talking to people and 597 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:24,350 telling people this story over and over and over and over and over. 598 00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:27,990 But... He said that we had to do this. 599 00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:30,390 We stayed in the Four Seasons. 600 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:34,070 I think that was the first time I ever had the opportunity to just order what I 601 00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:36,370 want off the menu and not worry about a tab. 602 00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:40,190 And I came in here, and the girls took so long to come out, I said, this must 603 00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:41,190 real. 604 00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:45,010 So, you know, it just all just began to set in. 605 00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:49,090 I just don't know how to describe it. It's indescribable. 606 00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:55,110 The best part about it, the whole thing, is that I got a chance to meet Chairman 607 00:45:55,110 --> 00:45:56,110 Hensley. 608 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,200 The marketing company, they had a big celebration. 609 00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:06,920 It was something like a promotion type thing. And Jerry Colombo said, Uncle 610 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,040 Jerry's going to be in the audience. 611 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,240 And I'm like, oh my God. 612 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,180 So they had this big text for me to hold and take a picture. 613 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,620 And then they say, speak. 614 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,820 I'm like, here I go. 615 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:26,000 More live. 616 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,320 I was kind of out of it. I could hear the cameras going. 617 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,840 The whole time I'm thinking about this mob man in the audience. 618 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,420 Never seen a picture of him. 619 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,600 Didn't know who I was looking for, but I kept looking to see which one it could 620 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,600 be. 621 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,180 After that, I finally just told him, I don't want to do anything else. 622 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,380 Don't put me out to do anything else. 623 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,240 Jerry Colombo said, Uncle Jerry was in the crowd. 624 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,980 He said, you did great. 625 00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:12,540 It's just little things like that that made sure I guess I stayed on my toes 626 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:14,240 did what I needed to do and do it proper. 627 00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:19,920 So I was still under that web the whole time. 628 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,580 I didn't know where to turn. I didn't know what to do. There's just really no 629 00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:25,580 way out of it. 630 00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:29,650 And I said to myself, now what's next? 631 00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:41,970 As soon as I got that check, things changed. 632 00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,490 I'm in his car, and we're going to this bank. 633 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:55,890 Went in to get the check cash right there. 634 00:47:57,460 --> 00:48:00,340 And all the money went right to Jerry's hand. 635 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,240 The teller said to me, he said, get that money. 636 00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:08,340 $50 ,000 taxes on that. 637 00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:10,380 Make sure you get that. 638 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,180 But I didn't think anything of it. 639 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,740 It just kind of, you go numb. There's just no thought. 640 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,800 And that's kind of how I felt, I think, with that money, because it's not mine. 641 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,820 He said that he had to go to Uncle Jerry first. 642 00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:29,770 Give him his piece of pie, and then everybody gets a piece of pie. 643 00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:35,750 And it has to go, you know, in that order before I can get my money. 644 00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:41,170 So I kept calling him and calling him, and he was like, call me back, say I'm 645 00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:43,390 going to get the money for you. I got the money on me. 646 00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:47,910 It's going to be like another week or whatever. He just kept putting me off. 647 00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:49,810 I heard the difference in his voice. 648 00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:55,170 Like, don't bug me. You're going to get your money. 649 00:48:56,170 --> 00:49:01,630 I believed that Gennaro owed Uncle Jerry money. 650 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:10,010 I believed the money got too big to not take a 651 00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:16,450 bigger piece of that pie because the spending habit became bigger and 652 00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:22,390 And I'm thinking, okay, that's why I'm not getting my money. 653 00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:28,770 You know, 654 00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:32,390 it's a small town. 655 00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:33,790 It's a cute town. 656 00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:36,090 I love it. 657 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:43,310 You could ask any number of people what would drive you to do 658 00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:44,690 what these people did. 659 00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:48,110 And the first one I peeled off, I believe, was Pennsylvania Avenue. And 660 00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:51,910 second one I peeled off was a million -dollar instant prize winner. And it was 661 00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:53,430 like, wow, is this for real? 662 00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:56,050 A lot of this is stealing money. 663 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,880 using a device to do it and tricking somebody into it, and then two or more 664 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,920 that, that's a conspiracy. Debra was going to be so happy I said that. 665 00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:05,940 But more than that. 666 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,240 Breakfast sandwich. 667 00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:11,680 Yeah, that's what it was, a breakfast sandwich. A lot of them are good people. 668 00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:17,700 They make bad decisions, whether it be they have fallen into a financial 669 00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,980 and they hear a nice way to get out of it. 670 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:26,590 That's your motivation. Okay, I'm going to do it because, you know, I need money 671 00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:31,190 for my kids' health or school or I'm going to retire. 672 00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:37,710 Human nature makes us do different things. 673 00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:45,210 People want to justify what they did or why they did it so they can really live 674 00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:46,210 with themselves. 675 00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:49,810 Everyone, everyone watching this show. 676 00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:57,070 cannot stand in front of a mirror, look at themselves in the eyes, and say 677 00:50:57,070 --> 00:51:02,790 they've never done something that they wish they could correct and take back. 678 00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:13,350 A couple of years later, I had this company that was calling me on a regular 679 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:16,390 basis trying to get me to come on this trip. 680 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,900 I was very reluctant, but they kept saying it was for all the winners. 681 00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:26,640 They want to find out where we are now, what we're doing, you know, just a 682 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,640 follow -up. 683 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:34,840 A lot of the stuff I just wanted to block out and just forget it. 684 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,600 And we just kind of went in and laughed and talked. 685 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,940 You know, it just tried to make me feel comfortable, but I never felt 686 00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:44,380 comfortable about this whole thing. 687 00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:49,880 Somebody asked me a question from over on this side. 688 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,300 Somebody asked me a question from over on this side. That's when I knew that 689 00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:54,760 something wasn't right. 690 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,620 I was about to get sick to the stomach because I knew. 691 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,720 And I was trying to cut them short, and they wouldn't stop asking me questions. 692 00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:11,900 So did you, when did you decide to move back to Jacksonville? I feel like an 693 00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:15,780 interrogation went on because when I came, when I was in there, I was like, I 694 00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:22,520 could feel my adrenaline building a little bit because I knew 695 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,740 that it was, that they wasn't asking me questions. 696 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,700 The questions they was asking me was to just get it on record how I spent the 697 00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:34,700 money. 698 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:37,200 But I felt it. 699 00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:41,360 That feeling is something else. 700 00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:47,820 Okay, let's rehearse it. And just talk to the camera. Okay, okay. 701 00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:50,420 You can do it slow because this is like a rehearsal. Go ahead. 702 00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:52,320 Did you have fun with the other corporations? 703 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,440 It might have been. 704 00:52:55,820 --> 00:53:00,280 But you're about to deprive someone of their freedom, you know, their future, 705 00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:01,960 everything from family. 706 00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:05,040 It's not meant to be that. 707 00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:12,160 that kind of fun for us at all it's not fun at all to deprive liberty to someone 708 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,800 we just walked out of there and i was kind of numb walking out the door like 709 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,520 this is it something is going to happen from this 710 00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:35,290 It wasn't much longer after the fuzzy bunny situation. 711 00:53:36,070 --> 00:53:37,170 I got real depressed. 712 00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:38,410 I didn't eat. 713 00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:41,470 I was just so distraught. Then I got mad. 714 00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:46,070 I looked over at him, and I told him about Uncle Jerry. 715 00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:51,530 I said, you know, he asked me to marry him. As soon as I said the word, I was 716 00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:52,530 sorry. 717 00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:56,750 Because I could tell it was a real thing. 718 00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:59,830 Because at first I thought, this could be a setup. 719 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,080 You know, maybe they were trying to find out my loyalty, and it wasn't a setup. 720 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,580 And so he went and cut Uncle Jerry out. 721 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,320 The next day, we're driving down the road. 722 00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:19,800 Jerry's in the passenger seat. 723 00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:21,420 I'm driving. 724 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,040 Frankie's crying in the car seat. 725 00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:28,000 It's bothering Jerry more than it is me. 726 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,420 And we got in an argument. 727 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:41,980 And so he says, Rob, I've got to put him down, 728 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,120 lay him down. 729 00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:44,420 It's enough. 730 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:47,000 And so he took him out of his car seat. 731 00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:50,900 And I'm like, God, Jerry, come on. 732 00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:56,720 And a little teardrop came down my face, and I thought, you know, I'm never 733 00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:57,720 going to get out of this. 734 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,580 He is not some sweet little old man. He's a freaking gangster. 735 00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:23,580 I was not sure if the accident was an accident. It could have been a possible 736 00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:25,340 hit. Things were getting really ugly. 737 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,760 Operation Final Answer was moving fast. 738 00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:30,340 Everything was on the table. 739 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,760 So we thought, well, how much bigger can this get? And it would get bigger. How 740 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400 much further back could it go? And it would go back further. 741 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,360 One of my biggest regrets has been involving this McDonald's thing. 742 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,940 you can get away with something over and over and over you only got to be caught 743 00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:45,940 once 63097

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