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We didn't know how the McDonald's
Monopoly game was fixed.
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So inside the wire room, people sitting
there getting ready to listen, and
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nothing happened.
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The FBI started coming up with, how do
we get past winners to recount how they
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allegedly won these pieces?
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Locking them into a story on camera
takes a B -minus case and makes it a A
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case.
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For a while, the question was, who is
Uncle Jerry?
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We were looking into Jerry Jacobson. We
thought this may be the main guy.
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But there was always this inference that
Uncle Jerry somehow connected to
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organized crime. We found out that there
was another Jerry involved named Jerry
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Colombo. My husband, he was part of the
Colombo crime family. My Jerry and Jerry
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Jacobson became partners on the mineral
plating.
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My husband picked the winners.
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Can you spell that?
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Jerry, Jerry.
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Uncle Jerry is Jerome Jacobson, my
husband. He got a lot of my family
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involved. And that isn't all. That was
just a little piece of the pie.
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Cookie, where's Oliver?
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Oliver,
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come on.
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I helped pick the winners.
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I gave them tickets to some friends of
mine and family members who needed it.
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I wanted them happy, so...
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I gave him things.
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I was going to get the million dollars,
but I gave it to my father.
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And maybe if certain things never
happened,
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this would not play a thing. But it
would still be going on today.
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It's true.
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With Shamrock Productions and the quote
-unquote reunion of winners, I think
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some of them are pretty legendary in
terms of what was captured on film.
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Like Buddy Fisher and Mr. Hoover.
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Gloria Brown was an instant million
dollar winner.
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She had won in South Carolina.
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Gloria had said her address was in the
Hilton Head area of South Carolina, but
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she was from Jacksonville, Florida.
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There was always something that I was
trying to drive out. I was trying to
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expand the BS that they were trying to
put out there. Because I know...
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AUSA Devereaux needs a ground ball.
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Boy needs something easy.
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I'm kidding. He's good at his job.
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So when you were in South Carolina, what
kind of work did you do there?
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Well, I was unemployed at that time. But
I am a social worker. I just was taking
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a break from stress.
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I'm not doing it anymore, thank God.
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So you were a social worker here.
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Now, did you have family up in South
Carolina or something? Why did you move
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there? Most of my family is here. I had
a friend, personal friend, and another
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friend, a couple of friends there that
basically what I was doing was a lot of
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visiting, job searching at that time,
so, you know, trying to relocate. One
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thing that struck me was that Ms. Brown
wasn't as open and friendly as Mr.
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Hoover was.
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She seemed to be on guard, whether or
not she suspected something was
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awry or not. She just wasn't as
forthcoming.
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What I'd like you to do, Gloria, is take
us through what a normal day was for
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you in Hillhead.
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And we want to basically tell them that
she's a regular.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's a family play. Yeah, yeah.
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Well, in Hilton Head, you know, during
that time I was, you know, living with a
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friend, of course, and trying to job
hunt. And right now I have my own
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agenda. You know, I have my patients to
care for.
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I'm busy. Like today I'm taking a trip,
you know.
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And day to day I work seven days a week,
basically. You know, I'm on call all
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the time.
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So compared to back then.
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And to now, I would say that McDonald's
has made it so that I can
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just fly without any stress, you know.
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So how long did you live up there for?
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A little over a year, back and forth.
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Many of the winners were saying they
lived in one area, but then had a post
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office box where they would have their
winnings sent to. So they would set up
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fake addresses.
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And so a lot of the evidence that I was
gathering was around where they lived,
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exactly what store they won the
McDonald's Monopoly piece at.
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Doug, anything else we need to get about
South Carolina for the story?
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So I said, Gloria, do you remember the
McDonald's where you went to claim the
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prize? Absolutely.
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This is a picture. We took a picture of
it and put it on this board. And she
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said, oh, my God, that's exactly the
one.
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And I said, you know what? Can you
autograph that for us? If you could just
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write, thanks, McDonald's. Thanks a
million. Oh, that's good. Thanks a
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That's good. And then sign it. That
would be great.
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That picture that she signed, it was not
in Hilton Head.
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South Carolina was Jacksonville,
Florida.
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Lori, do you recall the person that you
spoke to at the counter when you were
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using it?
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No, I sure don't.
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The fake address was a part of the
scheme. And so Rick had this
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photo of a McDonald's right there in
Jacksonville. And I go, oh, my God,
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perfect. So I take it with me. What are
you going to do with that? I'm going to
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use it.
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Wait and see. I'm going to show you.
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And as she's doing it, Amy, she's like,
oh, my God, that's just,
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that's not it.
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That's not it. And I'm looking over
here. It's starting to get louder.
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And I'm like, I'm looking back and do
you want that here? I mean, they're
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can hear that.
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That's perfect. Thank you so much.
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That's my love.
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Every time I talked to them, they would
just lie, lie, lie.
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And it was perfect for the FBI because
it was really building evidence and
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helping them build their case. But we
also wanted to make sure that it seemed
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like we were having fun because, once
again, that's how it would be at a real
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shoot. Now, what I want you to do is
take us through, like, I got my million
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dollars, and I took it to this
McDonald's in Hilton Head, South
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And it made me, and I want you to stand
up real slowly, and I want you to point
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to your star.
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Okay.
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Doug brought a lot of that energy.
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Now that sounds cheesy, but it looks
good when you put it together. Here you
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are. We love doing goofy stuff. We can't
help ourselves.
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That's typical Matthews. That's what he
would do.
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Thanks a million, McDonald's.
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Look right in the camera and say that.
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Thanks a million, McDonald's.
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And it was hard sometimes to keep a
straight face, to be honest with you.
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It was very hard at times because the
things we were doing with the light
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or the camera and fitting them and
fixing them up, we had no idea.
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I got my McDonald's Million at Hilton
Head in South Carolina, and it made me
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a millionaire.
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Now, pretty close. Pretty close, okay.
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What I figured out at an early age in
the Bureau is you push it, and then you
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think it, you keep pushing. You never
know when you're going to hit a wall.
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of course, I never found the bottom. The
bottom of the tea glass, right, is
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perfect for me.
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Just keep going.
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And, of course, she did.
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Ronald and I will see you
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in Vegas.
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Thank you, McDonald's.
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We knew it was such good evidence,
having Gloria sitting here just making
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story up and doing it with this
sincerity, this fake sincerity.
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As a criminal investigator, it was an
awesome thing to behold.
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There were so many different layers of
the conspiracy that we were
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investigating.
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And the more sophisticated a scheme, the
more difficult it is to prosecute the
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case. Now you have actual video
production that you can show a jury.
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That's very powerful.
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By this time, literally almost the whole
office now, or a big majority of them,
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have been diverted to work on what we
call Operation Final Answer.
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We worked seven days a week on a regular
basis.
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But at times it did not feel like work.
We had great camaraderie between all of
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the agents that we're working at, and we
knew the mission is what we were trying
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to accomplish was a noble one and a good
one.
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So nobody ever complained about it.
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Things were moving fast, and naturally
we always want to.
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move at our pace. We want to control the
timing of things. And we did not have
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that luxury. The game was running. There
was a clock running on how long we
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could keep it a secret.
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Throughout this, we were really, really
racking up incredible evidence,
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discovering new people, proving all
different elements of what was going on.
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we kind of knew the process of how these
were placed. But the one thing that was
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still out there was, how is Jerry
Jacobson doing this?
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That was kind of this nagging, you know,
this nagging question mark.
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What we had to vet out is who was
helping Jerry.
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Hilda Bennett was the CPA that would
travel with Mr.
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Jacobson to these various manufacturing
plants, and we didn't know, are they in
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cahoots?
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On an investigation, you just don't cut
somebody out.
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And so we had to surveil Miss Bennett as
well.
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You want your ears?
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Yep. I need to get a large coffee with
ten
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cream and five sugar.
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Anything else? Yep, another large coffee
with ten cream and five equal.
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Okay. That is equal? Yep. Awesome. Thank
you.
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Have a great day.
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Oh, that's perfect.
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One time I seen Uncle Jerry was up in
Georgia.
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My brother went to go visit.
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I stayed in the car. I didn't get out of
the car because he didn't directly
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involve me because he was always trying
to protect me.
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But giving you a little taste at the
same time.
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I guess so. Yeah. Yeah.
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Uncle Jerry was a middle -aged guy, just
normal average height, normal average
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build, but size doesn't matter.
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Like my dad always used to say, and
still does say, as long as this works,
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that's all I need, one finger.
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And it's the truth. And the family
that's backing you. Yeah, and the family
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that's backing us. That's a big thing.
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Jerome was getting the ticket, but when
it came to person to ticket,
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I don't think he had the resources to do
the big $1 million hits everywhere, so
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I think that's where my brother took the
reins of everything.
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So Uncle Jerry was getting the tickets
and selling them to my brother, and then
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my brother would sell them to other
people, and it was just a, literally, it
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a monopoly of scams.
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Every ticket was a little different.
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The agreement with Uncle Jerry was,
depending on the value of the ticket,
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million -dollar tickets were going for
50 grand. Uncle Jerry would get the 50,
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and then my brother would get half of
whoever won. So if they got the payments
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for 20 years or so forth, he'd get half,
and then the winner would get half. So
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it was a better deal for my brother long
-term than it was for Uncle Jerry.
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I really didn't think much of it because
someone had to win.
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So in my brother's eyes, it was like,
okay, well, instead of Joe Schmo
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I'm going to make, you know, John Schmo
win.
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The money's still going to go somewhere.
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They were just redirecting it.
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The $1 million ticket was supposed to be
our wedding gift. We were married
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November 24, 1997.
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1996.
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1996.
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Let's start that over again.
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Okay.
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But that was going to be our gift, our
wedding gift. Free of charge.
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We didn't have to buy it.
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The McDonald's piece was in one of the
little, I guess you'd call them eggs,
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like you kids get toys in it, the
gumball machines.
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It was in there, in the back of the
freezer, underneath two ice cube trays.
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I remember exactly how it sat.
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It was just chilling.
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It was just chilling.
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I always looked up to my brother. He was
my protector, pretty much.
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He would always come to visit me and
throw me a couple thousand dollars like
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was me giving away a couple of dollars
to the kids.
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This is our son Frankie. He dropped
about $150 ,000, and we just decided to
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a picture. We thought it was kind of
funny.
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I was so upset over that picture because
it was such dirty money around such a
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clean, perfect baby.
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It was pretty crazy, but with that comes
a price.
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Put it this way, Uncle Jerry called my
home at least three times a week to tell
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Jerry what he had to do next.
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He and I would talk, you know, sometimes
30 minutes, sometimes 45 minutes.
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And my husband would meet him in
Atlanta.
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I don't know how many people he hooked
up.
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It was way more than I thought it was.
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My brother had a lot of connections all
over the place because he had nightclubs
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and certain things that he was doing
that I can't really mention because I'm
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sure the FBI is going to watch this tape
someday.
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But there was a lot of things that he
was into.
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So my brother started, you know,
expanding to in -laws and brother -in
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friends and friends of friends. And
that's how he took this little small
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operation and made it huge.
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I was working at the airlines in
Jacksonville here, and a passenger came
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named Colombo.
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Right off the bat, he was very
personable and a gentleman.
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My last name was Italian, so he seemed
to take a liking to me.
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First thing he said to me was like, hey,
here's somebody, go eat, go eat. And I
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just thought that was so funny because
that's how Italians are.
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And it just made me feel at ease with
him that this is a good person.
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I never knew he was married. I didn't
really care because I didn't really have
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any relationship on that level, you
know, in my mind anyways.
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One day we were just driving around and
he says, hey, I want to show you
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something. So we pulled over.
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And he reaches around the back seat and
he pulls out the winning pieces. It was
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like the whole thing. It's $100 ,000.
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And I was like, wow, so many people are
trying to win this thing, and you're
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sitting here with all four pieces.
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You know what I mean?
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If you're interested, he says, just walk
in McDonald's, and this is what you've
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got to do, and this is how it rolls.
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He goes, I'll give you $20 ,000 now, and
then I'll give you another $10 ,000
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later.
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And I thought, wow, that's a lot of
money.
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You know what I mean? I could go buy me
a car.
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You know, I could go do some stuff, you
know. Because by saying, you know, I'm
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working at the airlines, what am I
making?
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You know, $10 an hour?
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I was game for something exhilarating.
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So he had me fly to Philly.
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Being that I'm with the airlines, I can
do that.
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He picked me up at the airport.
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We drove right to McDonald's.
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And I didn't even have to think for
myself.
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You know what I mean? Just follow the
script.
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And that's exactly what I did.
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And I was just like, um, I'm the winner.
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And he's like, oh, so you're the winner.
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It was just too easy.
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But I didn't know the aftermath that was
to follow.
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I mean, because there were things that
nobody knew.
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And I just kept it all to myself.
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My husband, he picked the winners, but
he kept picking Italians on the East
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Coast.
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They were kind of being stupid about it.
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Somebody was bound to get suspicious.
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So I told my husband, I've got a friend
in Jacksonville.
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Bring some women into it and women of
color.
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My name is Gloria Brown Byard, and I
live in Jacksonville. I've been here all
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life.
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I didn't want to be interviewed anymore.
I didn't want to talk to anybody else
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about the McDonald's thing.
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Because it was all a lie.
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I was a McDonald's million -dollar
winner.
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This is the first time that I really
just had the opportunity to just really
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just say, okay, I'm going to lay all my
cards on the table and tell everything.
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I mean, even though my sister was there,
she don't know all the details.
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I mean, she'll be hearing this for the
first time herself, some of this stuff.
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I have a son, and I raised him as a
single parent.
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He, as a child, was very understanding.
We had a relationship where if money was
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not available, I discussed it with him,
and we worked it out together.
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I always had to work, and I always
managed to keep a job, but it was always
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struggle.
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Years passed by, and I didn't see Robin
for some years. And when she called me,
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she told me she had got married.
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and thinking maybe now she has somebody
that can look out for her. And she was
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very happy being with Jerry.
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I think it was in 97, Robin had called
me and said she had something she wanted
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to discuss with me, but we couldn't talk
about it over the phone.
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So Jerry asked me to come and visit. It
was at their home in South Carolina.
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My first impression of Jerry Colombo was
that he was a real -life comedian type
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guy, you know, and he treated me just
like I had been around the whole time.
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But the thing that bothered me is that
there was never any time that she and I
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could be alone.
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Even when we went shopping, he went
shopping with us.
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One night I had just said, can you just
leave us alone for a few minutes?
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Darn, Jerry.
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And then he left us alone just for a few
minutes and he came back. We were not
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allowed to really discuss anything.
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Finally, he talked to me about a
proposition.
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And it was a proposition that would help
me.
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He asked me, was I familiar with the
McDonald's game piece?
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I said, yes.
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So he said,
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People are picked to be winners.
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This is how it's always been done.
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And then he told me that he would let me
know what the next step was.
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When I first got the offer, I thought to
myself that there
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was a blessing that came knocking at my
door.
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You know, I was going to church, and I
was trying to do the right thing.
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And my son was young, and I was making
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probably about $24 ,000 a year.
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By the time taxes and stuff come out,
it's really nothing.
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And I just wanted a better life, and I
just felt like this was my opportunity.
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And I said, well.
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This couldn't come to me if it wasn't
meant for me.
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My brother was always joking around,
always making people laugh, always
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good time, very lighthearted.
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But if you pissed him off, then he can
have a temper as well.
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But he never was the type of person who
would grab you or, you know, threaten
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you or rough you up.
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You knew if he looked at you and he told
you exactly what he wanted you to do.
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You knew you had to do it.
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The whole relationship changed.
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It got to the point that I didn't talk
to Robin anymore.
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I only talked to Jerry Colombo.
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And I finally got the information from
him that I was going to be a million
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-dollar winner and that he needed me to
come up with some money.
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And I'm asking him why. Then he said,
everybody that wins has to give some
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upfront money.
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I'm like, how much?
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And he asked me, how much can I come up
with? I said, I really don't have any
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money. So he said, can you get money off
your house?
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Came back out now. He's told me too
much.
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I mortgaged my home to get my upfront
money.
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I put all the stuff I worked hard for on
the line because I believed that this
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was mine.
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I met him on the side of the road and
gave him my first portion of my money.
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It felt like something had just been
ripped from me.
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You know, to meet somebody on the side
of the road and give them cash money
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much at one time, that's more than I
ever had in my hand at one time in my
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and I just had to give it all away.
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I just felt that I just had gave my life
away, and I'm giving it to somebody I
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don't know much about.
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Can I even trust this guy, you know?
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Before my husband was working the
Monopoly fraud game, we had my son,
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Gennaro Colombo.
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I
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was
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at times really very happy.
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Son, I had some money. I should have at
least been having a good time.
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But I was never satisfied, ever.
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I went from home to home thinking that
one was going to make it better. You
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don't have friends. You can't bring
friends in that lifestyle.
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Even though I adored my husband, I found
out I had a mistress on the side, which
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I guess is a prerequisite.
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Italian gangster to have a mistress.
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I was walking down the hallway to check
on Frankie while he was sleeping, and I
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heard my husband on the telephone saying
some
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unsavory words to her.
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And I barged in. I said, who the hell
are you talking to? And I took the phone
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from him.
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And I took it and I slammed it across
his face.
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They did get in a lot of fights.
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She would say a lot of mean, nasty
things to him. She was very abusive as
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physical slapping and so forth and so
on.
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Robin would just try swinging and
clawing at him. He would grab her hand
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say, stop, stop, stop it.
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Anytime I threatened to leave him, Uncle
Jerry would step in.
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10, 15 grand, buy me a car, whatever to
appease me.
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And so I wouldn't leave.
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My brother was always making money, and
he was never home.
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He always had an excuse to go somewhere,
to go on a business trip, to be
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somewhere.
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So I knew he wasn't happy.
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During the Monopoly situation, my
brother wanted to open up a club in
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County, South Carolina.
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I believe he was trying to get away from
the life of crime and he was trying to
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make a legitimate business.
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So he opened up a place called the Fuzzy
Bunny. The Fuzzy Bunny opened its doors
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just a half hour ago, opening the doors
to a steamy controversy.
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Grinnell? Well, Debbie, we are here at
the Fuzzy Bunny, which is located on
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Highway 78 in Royal, just down the road
from the fairgrounds in Lassen. And the
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entertainment and the dancing have begun
here at the club.
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He had some dancers. They were wearing
bikini tops and panties and shorts.
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He was not full nudity. He wasn't full
nudity. He wanted to do classy places.
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He had his morals.
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Yeah, he had his morals.
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I got girls in daisy dukes, tops.
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I got volleyball courts being built
outside.
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We have live concerts here on weekends.
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And basically, that's about it, really.
He wanted to make, like, a gentleman's
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club. And his goal was to open up four
or five of these all through Hilton Head
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in North and South Carolina.
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The county kept on fighting him and
fighting him and fighting him.
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They kept on shutting him down for this
permit, that permit.
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That's not going to stop you from...
That's not going to stop us. My attorney
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told me, I mean, whatever we got to do,
we're going to do.
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I mean, I'm out here trying to earn a
living for my family just like you are,
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and that's it. I was proud of him for
actually doing something legal for once.
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One time he tried to do something legit.
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Right? Some people have already trickled
into the establishment here. Coming
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soon.
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Fuzzy bunnies. I hate it so much.
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And I told my husband, I said, I know
you.
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You couldn't just open a club.
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You have to try them out.
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And I told him to stop.
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There is an existing court order where
the club cannot be opened.
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Three months later, I thought he had
sold it or whatever, so no more Fuzzy
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Bunny.
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And then one night, my son and I went
out to dinner. He was like two, about
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years old. We're driving down the road,
and I pass Fuzzy Bunny.
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And I looked, and there's a bunch of
guys, and I'm like, damn, there's my
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I got a little closer, and I said, and
there's my big fat husband. And I turned
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around, and I jumped up on the curb, and
I went, oh!
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And Jerry, he was sitting back, a big
fat cat on the phone.
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And I just punched him right in the jaw.
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I said, you are so divorced.
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All the guys were just standing there
and just staring.
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And I said, you're going down.
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Oh, you mother.
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Oscars are going down. Every single one
of you. I'm going to the FBI.
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00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,640
I said, I'm going to the Witness
Protection Program.
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I said, so just watch out.
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So I go to a pay phone. I call my
parents.
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And I said, Mom, I need you to take two
names down.
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00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:16,880
She goes, what the hell have you done? I
said, well, I just threatened 30 goons
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with the FBI.
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00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:23,610
So if you don't hear from me in a couple
days, you will have to contact them and
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give them these names.
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And Uncle Jerry was on that list.
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00:33:30,370 --> 00:33:34,450
They beat me home, my husband and two
big -ass goons.
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And I said, this is what I want. I want
a moving truck here and a divorce.
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00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:47,510
He goes, Robin, you're never leaving me.
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There is no divorce.
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You're stuck with me.
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So I called Uncle Jerry.
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And he says, you married the wrong guy.
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And he asked me to marry him.
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Yeah. Hold on.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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And I told him, no.
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And I thought, you know, I'm never going
to get out of this.
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So I stayed.
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But I was a prisoner in my own home.
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00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,540
Derek Colombo told me that I had to have
a South Carolina address.
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And he had a cousin.
459
00:34:43,370 --> 00:34:47,030
that lived at this particular spot, and
this was going to be my address.
460
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:51,230
And at that point, I'm like, oh, gosh.
461
00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:54,570
This isn't what I was expecting.
462
00:34:57,530 --> 00:35:03,530
He coached me on some things that I
needed to say and work on and believe.
463
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:08,290
I had to leave my voice on the voicemail
as if it was my home.
464
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:14,870
He made me do it till I got it right.
465
00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:19,170
He wanted the right tone, you know. It
had to be happy.
466
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:28,010
One of the things that constantly
crossed my mind is that my life was in
467
00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:32,550
I had no other option but to take this
process through.
468
00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:40,130
Robert knew all of my family and my son.
469
00:35:42,220 --> 00:35:43,800
I just kind of felt like I was trapped.
470
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:47,660
It was no way out but to go through it.
471
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:53,020
When time to turn the game piece in, he
picked me up. Two men.
472
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,300
Didn't know either one of them.
473
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:59,700
I almost felt kidnapped in a sense. You
know what I'm saying? It's like, you're
474
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,460
here, and you're going to ride with us,
and you're going to do what we say.
475
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:05,300
And you're going to do it right.
476
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,940
All the way there, Jerry Colombo never
stopped talking.
477
00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:13,780
They're telling me what to do and what
you're going to say. I mean, he was just
478
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:15,120
drilling me. How are you going to do it?
479
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:21,060
And they drove me to the McDonald's that
they had picked out that I was going to
480
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:22,060
go to.
481
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,300
They parked the car in the corner.
482
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,400
The ticket was in a little valve about
this tall with a cap on it.
483
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,920
There I was, walking down this block in
a place I had never been before.
484
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:41,410
I was like... Bank robbery or something,
you know, they're on the block down
485
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:44,750
there. They don't want to be seen.
They're down the street, the getaway
486
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:48,690
And I'm like, oh, Lord, this could go so
bad.
487
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:53,010
A lot of things are going through my
mind.
488
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:57,350
Am I going to lie enough to be
believable?
489
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:01,070
Am I going to mess up and then I'm in
trouble?
490
00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:07,290
It's all kind of stuff that's going
around. Am I going to jail today behind
491
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:08,290
foolishness?
492
00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:14,190
And at this point in time, I was kind of
panicked.
493
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:19,050
And I'm saying to myself, oh, Lord,
Jesus.
494
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:22,230
I wanted to cry before I got into the
place.
495
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:24,710
And I said, no, you can't go in there
upset.
496
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:32,950
I had not be Gloria at that time. I had
to become somebody else to make it
497
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:33,950
believable.
498
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:41,780
Here we go.
499
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:50,980
And I had to go in and stand to this
counter and tell them that it looked
500
00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:51,980
I'd been a wimp.
501
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,440
The managers came out. They have a seat.
502
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,460
And I had to give them my information,
the fake telephone number, the fake
503
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:03,460
address.
504
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,000
and then they finally came out and
congratulated me.
505
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:55,020
The manager at the McDonald's, the
cashiers, everybody running around so
506
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:58,700
that they got the winner come to their
McDonald's.
507
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,720
And there I was. I couldn't even hardly
put a smile on my face.
508
00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:12,260
By the time I got to the car, got back
to the car, Jerry Colombo was having a
509
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:16,280
fit because it took too long.
510
00:39:18,799 --> 00:39:22,520
And there he was, as soon as I get in
the car, okay, well, what you get on?
511
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:26,460
And I had to explain to him, well, what
were you doing all that time?
512
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:29,140
I was sitting waiting, you know.
513
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,620
What did they tell you?
514
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:34,920
So they told me they'd be getting back
with me.
515
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,460
I hung around another day, and then I
came on my bike to Jacksonville and went
516
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:44,460
back to work.
517
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,200
Like nothing had happened, and I just
had to wait.
518
00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:06,150
My brother would use loopholes after
loophole after loophole, and they
519
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:11,010
came up with one that was saying you
can't have female dancers within a
520
00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:13,910
feet of a school or something of that
nature, what it was.
521
00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:20,270
So... He turned the Fuzzy Bunny into the
Church of Fuzzy Bunny. The Church of
522
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:23,750
Fuzzy Bunnies. The Church of Fuzzy
Bunnies. The transformation of their
523
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:28,270
into a church. Dancing girls, alcoholic
drinks, and the Bible.
524
00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:33,870
Low country preachers say the switch
from Fuzzy Bunny Club to Fuzzy Bunny
525
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:35,930
is nothing but blasphemy.
526
00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:39,680
I really honestly didn't see the big
deal in it. I'll be honest with you,
527
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,299
I swear.
528
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:45,120
And I mean, I'm a woman, but I really
didn't see the huge deal. Those two
529
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,920
mix, as far as I'm concerned. Church and
strip joints just don't mix.
530
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,260
They can't fool people.
531
00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:53,520
No good people is going to be going in
that place.
532
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,360
I don't see nothing. We're having a
place where you can come in, say a few
533
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,660
prayers, have a couple drinks, see some
women dancing.
534
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,280
He liked to be the center of attention.
535
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:06,020
And if you messed with him, he would
just play that game as long as it took.
536
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:08,700
Marianne, you're next on the line with
Jerry Colombo. Go ahead.
537
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:10,460
Go ahead, Marianne.
538
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:16,980
Yes, I think what you're doing is
abomination to God, and it's wrong
539
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:20,700
in the eyes of God, and really it's
wrong in morals, too.
540
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:22,420
All right. Thank you.
541
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440
Well, I guess God hasn't talked to you
lately. He came to me in a dream a
542
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,580
weeks ago, and he told me what I'm doing
is fine.
543
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,660
You say that with somewhat of a smirk on
your face. I mean, you had to have. I
544
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:34,060
did have a dream one night.
545
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,330
That's why. Why, we all have dreams. I
don't know if it's divine or religion.
546
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:38,390
This one was divine.
547
00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:40,350
We never went.
548
00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:42,850
No. No. It sounded like a fun time,
though.
549
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:46,970
I mean, a little prayer, a little pasty.
Right?
550
00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:52,510
Now, all the publicity that has come out
of the situation with Fuzzy Bunnies has
551
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:57,770
earned owner Jerry Colombo notice from
the National Enquirer, Comedy Central,
552
00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:02,190
the cable channel, and this Friday, he
has a scheduled guest appearance for the
553
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:03,190
David Letterman Show.
554
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:10,640
Do you think that Jerome Jacobson was
angry at your Jerry for the attention
555
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,280
he was getting for it? Oh, yeah.
556
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:13,740
Yes.
557
00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:19,740
Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper. Jerry
Colombo. Jerry Colombo. Jerry Colombo.
558
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,820
Jerry Colombo. Jerry Colombo.
559
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:24,820
This
560
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:32,740
is
561
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:35,890
my... First letter of congratulation.
562
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:40,650
They're congratulating me for being a
million -dollar winner and explaining to
563
00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:47,170
me that I'll be getting $50 ,000 for the
next 20 years.
564
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:54,230
The check came in the mail, which that
went to my fake address, and Jerry
565
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:59,770
brought it to me. And I told him I
deposited the check, and then he said,
566
00:42:59,770 --> 00:43:01,270
didn't get any cash off of it?
567
00:43:02,259 --> 00:43:06,740
I'm like, no, they got to put a hold on
it. During that time, my bank account
568
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:07,740
was always low.
569
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,020
So I had to go back to the bank and
insist on getting something.
570
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:21,960
So I got $2 ,000, and I gave it to him.
When it did clear, he was
571
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,880
calling me to add to the $2 ,000 and
make it $25 ,000.
572
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:30,560
So I just took the money and gave it to
him.
573
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,980
Ask any questions.
574
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:38,580
He worked out a deal where what I had,
he took.
575
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:46,100
And for the first five years, I had to
give them, give
576
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:49,400
Jerry Colombo $25 ,000.
577
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,460
Nothing changed for me. I never acted
like I had money.
578
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:04,230
Because I was in a deeper hole than what
I was before I did it.
579
00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:09,270
Took my mortgage up higher, of course.
And I went from paying $300 and
580
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:10,530
a month to $1 ,000.
581
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:15,450
So I was like, that's when I found out
about the taxes.
582
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:21,210
Jerry Colombo got $25 ,000 each time
before taxes.
583
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:30,330
I didn't go out and buy anything.
584
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:32,690
I couldn't buy anything.
585
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:34,750
I was so stressed.
586
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:39,110
Well, Jerry Colombo always had to
consult with the head man.
587
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:41,090
Let me call Uncle Jerry.
588
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:46,270
Uncle Jerry is being reported to about
everything.
589
00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:51,750
During that time, I felt like Uncle
Jerry was the main mob man.
590
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:57,170
But then that first year, McDonald's
wanted me to do.
591
00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:00,490
All this publicity, but I just couldn't
get into it.
592
00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:08,690
Jerry Colombo's thing was, they want you
to advertise because you are the first
593
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:09,690
black.
594
00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:10,890
And you're a female.
595
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:13,790
And you got a million dollars.
596
00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:20,950
And I'm saying to myself, yeah, but I
don't want to keep talking to people and
597
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:24,350
telling people this story over and over
and over and over and over.
598
00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:27,990
But... He said that we had to do this.
599
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:30,390
We stayed in the Four Seasons.
600
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:34,070
I think that was the first time I ever
had the opportunity to just order what I
601
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:36,370
want off the menu and not worry about a
tab.
602
00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:40,190
And I came in here, and the girls took
so long to come out, I said, this must
603
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:41,190
real.
604
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:45,010
So, you know, it just all just began to
set in.
605
00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:49,090
I just don't know how to describe it.
It's indescribable.
606
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:55,110
The best part about it, the whole thing,
is that I got a chance to meet Chairman
607
00:45:55,110 --> 00:45:56,110
Hensley.
608
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,200
The marketing company, they had a big
celebration.
609
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:06,920
It was something like a promotion type
thing. And Jerry Colombo said, Uncle
610
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Jerry's going to be in the audience.
611
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,240
And I'm like, oh my God.
612
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,180
So they had this big text for me to hold
and take a picture.
613
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,620
And then they say, speak.
614
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,820
I'm like, here I go.
615
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:26,000
More live.
616
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,320
I was kind of out of it. I could hear
the cameras going.
617
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,840
The whole time I'm thinking about this
mob man in the audience.
618
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,420
Never seen a picture of him.
619
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Didn't know who I was looking for, but I
kept looking to see which one it could
620
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,600
be.
621
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,180
After that, I finally just told him, I
don't want to do anything else.
622
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,380
Don't put me out to do anything else.
623
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,240
Jerry Colombo said, Uncle Jerry was in
the crowd.
624
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,980
He said, you did great.
625
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:12,540
It's just little things like that that
made sure I guess I stayed on my toes
626
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:14,240
did what I needed to do and do it
proper.
627
00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:19,920
So I was still under that web the whole
time.
628
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,580
I didn't know where to turn. I didn't
know what to do. There's just really no
629
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:25,580
way out of it.
630
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:29,650
And I said to myself, now what's next?
631
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:41,970
As soon as I got that check, things
changed.
632
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,490
I'm in his car, and we're going to this
bank.
633
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:55,890
Went in to get the check cash right
there.
634
00:47:57,460 --> 00:48:00,340
And all the money went right to Jerry's
hand.
635
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,240
The teller said to me, he said, get that
money.
636
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:08,340
$50 ,000 taxes on that.
637
00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:10,380
Make sure you get that.
638
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,180
But I didn't think anything of it.
639
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,740
It just kind of, you go numb. There's
just no thought.
640
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,800
And that's kind of how I felt, I think,
with that money, because it's not mine.
641
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,820
He said that he had to go to Uncle Jerry
first.
642
00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:29,770
Give him his piece of pie, and then
everybody gets a piece of pie.
643
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:35,750
And it has to go, you know, in that
order before I can get my money.
644
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:41,170
So I kept calling him and calling him,
and he was like, call me back, say I'm
645
00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:43,390
going to get the money for you. I got
the money on me.
646
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:47,910
It's going to be like another week or
whatever. He just kept putting me off.
647
00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:49,810
I heard the difference in his voice.
648
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:55,170
Like, don't bug me. You're going to get
your money.
649
00:48:56,170 --> 00:49:01,630
I believed that Gennaro owed Uncle Jerry
money.
650
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:10,010
I believed the money got too big to not
take a
651
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:16,450
bigger piece of that pie because the
spending habit became bigger and
652
00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:22,390
And I'm thinking, okay, that's why I'm
not getting my money.
653
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:28,770
You know,
654
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:32,390
it's a small town.
655
00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:33,790
It's a cute town.
656
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:36,090
I love it.
657
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:43,310
You could ask any number of people what
would drive you to do
658
00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:44,690
what these people did.
659
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:48,110
And the first one I peeled off, I
believe, was Pennsylvania Avenue. And
660
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:51,910
second one I peeled off was a million
-dollar instant prize winner. And it was
661
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:53,430
like, wow, is this for real?
662
00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:56,050
A lot of this is stealing money.
663
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,880
using a device to do it and tricking
somebody into it, and then two or more
664
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,920
that, that's a conspiracy. Debra was
going to be so happy I said that.
665
00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:05,940
But more than that.
666
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,240
Breakfast sandwich.
667
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:11,680
Yeah, that's what it was, a breakfast
sandwich. A lot of them are good people.
668
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:17,700
They make bad decisions, whether it be
they have fallen into a financial
669
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,980
and they hear a nice way to get out of
it.
670
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:26,590
That's your motivation. Okay, I'm going
to do it because, you know, I need money
671
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:31,190
for my kids' health or school or I'm
going to retire.
672
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:37,710
Human nature makes us do different
things.
673
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:45,210
People want to justify what they did or
why they did it so they can really live
674
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:46,210
with themselves.
675
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:49,810
Everyone, everyone watching this show.
676
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:57,070
cannot stand in front of a mirror, look
at themselves in the eyes, and say
677
00:50:57,070 --> 00:51:02,790
they've never done something that they
wish they could correct and take back.
678
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:13,350
A couple of years later, I had this
company that was calling me on a regular
679
00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:16,390
basis trying to get me to come on this
trip.
680
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,900
I was very reluctant, but they kept
saying it was for all the winners.
681
00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:26,640
They want to find out where we are now,
what we're doing, you know, just a
682
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,640
follow -up.
683
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:34,840
A lot of the stuff I just wanted to
block out and just forget it.
684
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,600
And we just kind of went in and laughed
and talked.
685
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,940
You know, it just tried to make me feel
comfortable, but I never felt
686
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:44,380
comfortable about this whole thing.
687
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:49,880
Somebody asked me a question from over
on this side.
688
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,300
Somebody asked me a question from over
on this side. That's when I knew that
689
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:54,760
something wasn't right.
690
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,620
I was about to get sick to the stomach
because I knew.
691
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,720
And I was trying to cut them short, and
they wouldn't stop asking me questions.
692
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:11,900
So did you, when did you decide to move
back to Jacksonville? I feel like an
693
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:15,780
interrogation went on because when I
came, when I was in there, I was like, I
694
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:22,520
could feel my adrenaline building a
little bit because I knew
695
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,740
that it was, that they wasn't asking me
questions.
696
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,700
The questions they was asking me was to
just get it on record how I spent the
697
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:34,700
money.
698
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:37,200
But I felt it.
699
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:41,360
That feeling is something else.
700
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:47,820
Okay, let's rehearse it. And just talk
to the camera. Okay, okay.
701
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:50,420
You can do it slow because this is like
a rehearsal. Go ahead.
702
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:52,320
Did you have fun with the other
corporations?
703
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,440
It might have been.
704
00:52:55,820 --> 00:53:00,280
But you're about to deprive someone of
their freedom, you know, their future,
705
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:01,960
everything from family.
706
00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:05,040
It's not meant to be that.
707
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:12,160
that kind of fun for us at all it's not
fun at all to deprive liberty to someone
708
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,800
we just walked out of there and i was
kind of numb walking out the door like
709
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,520
this is it something is going to happen
from this
710
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:35,290
It wasn't much longer after the fuzzy
bunny situation.
711
00:53:36,070 --> 00:53:37,170
I got real depressed.
712
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:38,410
I didn't eat.
713
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:41,470
I was just so distraught. Then I got
mad.
714
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:46,070
I looked over at him, and I told him
about Uncle Jerry.
715
00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:51,530
I said, you know, he asked me to marry
him. As soon as I said the word, I was
716
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:52,530
sorry.
717
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:56,750
Because I could tell it was a real
thing.
718
00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:59,830
Because at first I thought, this could
be a setup.
719
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,080
You know, maybe they were trying to find
out my loyalty, and it wasn't a setup.
720
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,580
And so he went and cut Uncle Jerry out.
721
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,320
The next day, we're driving down the
road.
722
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:19,800
Jerry's in the passenger seat.
723
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:21,420
I'm driving.
724
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,040
Frankie's crying in the car seat.
725
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:28,000
It's bothering Jerry more than it is me.
726
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,420
And we got in an argument.
727
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:41,980
And so he says, Rob, I've got to put him
down,
728
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,120
lay him down.
729
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:44,420
It's enough.
730
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:47,000
And so he took him out of his car seat.
731
00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:50,900
And I'm like, God, Jerry, come on.
732
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:56,720
And a little teardrop came down my face,
and I thought, you know, I'm never
733
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:57,720
going to get out of this.
734
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,580
He is not some sweet little old man.
He's a freaking gangster.
735
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:23,580
I was not sure if the accident was an
accident. It could have been a possible
736
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:25,340
hit. Things were getting really ugly.
737
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,760
Operation Final Answer was moving fast.
738
00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:30,340
Everything was on the table.
739
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,760
So we thought, well, how much bigger can
this get? And it would get bigger. How
740
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400
much further back could it go? And it
would go back further.
741
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,360
One of my biggest regrets has been
involving this McDonald's thing.
742
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,940
you can get away with something over and
over and over you only got to be caught
743
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:45,940
once
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