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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,620 From 1989 to 2001, there were almost no legitimate winners in the McDonald's 2 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:11,479 Monopoly game. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,260 I mean, how crazy bullshit is that? 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,340 McDonald's makes French fries and apple pies. 5 00:00:20,620 --> 00:00:22,220 They don't make marketing. 6 00:00:22,420 --> 00:00:25,680 Simon Marketing actually produced and came up with a Monopoly game. 7 00:00:26,140 --> 00:00:29,740 The FBI told us the game pieces are being stolen. 8 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:33,320 And the person who's controlling this is Uncle Jerry. 9 00:00:33,790 --> 00:00:35,210 We had this one shot. 10 00:00:35,950 --> 00:00:38,030 I wanted to burn down the criminal enterprise. 11 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:42,150 We were on the wiretaps to find out the depths of this scheme. 12 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:48,750 We did an analysis of past winners' phone records. All these phone calls 13 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:55,490 Jerome Jacobson, also known as Jerry Jacobson, head of security for Simon 14 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:56,490 Marketing. 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,700 Hey, here's a man who looks like he has something to say. 16 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:18,960 Are we all set, Ronnie? 17 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,200 Hey, careful. 18 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:22,720 Looks like you've got flubber shoes on, too, today. 19 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:29,880 A wonderful, anonymous donor mailed 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,600 a Monopoly game piece. 21 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:41,020 And right here in the middle of it was a little winning ticket of one 22 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:42,780 million dollars. 23 00:01:50,460 --> 00:01:56,720 Somebody won a $1 million Monopoly game at McDonald's, and God bless them, 24 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,280 decided to send that money to the children of St. Jude. 25 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,300 Well, this is a great day. 26 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,760 We at McDonald's have a game going, which a person won a game piece in Texas 27 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,720 mailed it to St. Jude's anonymously, and McDonald's worked out a way to pay the 28 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,840 game piece, even though it really can't be transferred. 29 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,880 It's just a wonderful Christmas story that someone would give. 30 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:23,690 That way, anonymously, not won any recognition for the children at St. 31 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:32,770 The McDonald's Monopoly game went back to 1987, and so we 32 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:35,330 didn't know how long the contest was fixed. 33 00:02:36,670 --> 00:02:41,530 St. Jude's was listed as a winner, which was certainly an anomaly. 34 00:02:42,010 --> 00:02:45,190 We didn't know if this was part of this conspiracy. 35 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:51,060 We didn't know how Jerry Jacobson was involved in this fraud scheme. 36 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Of course, he was Uncle Jerry. 37 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,960 I mean, at first you just think it's an alias name, but at least it was at least 38 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,960 half of the name. 39 00:03:02,060 --> 00:03:03,900 Hey, help me, Fred, will you? Oh, this is heavy. 40 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,780 Odds of finding the winning piece were one in more than 206 million. 41 00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:14,060 Odds of someone giving it away, heaven only knows. 42 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,500 My name is Marvin Braun. I live in Miami, Florida. 43 00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:26,260 Jerry Jacobson is my stepbrother. Yes, he is my stepbrother. 44 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:33,060 And did that make you close? Yeah, I mean, we grew up as, I don't think 45 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:34,940 -brothers, but we grew up close. 46 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,020 We're only a week apart in age. 47 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,680 His dream of life was always becoming an FBI agent. 48 00:04:47,260 --> 00:04:50,480 It never worked out. But it's funny. It's a funny story. 49 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:55,040 If you said to me to describe this story, I would say, don't believe it, 50 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,040 it's true. 51 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,960 Don't believe it. 52 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,860 It's just weird. It's just weird how it happened. 53 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,140 He had discussed about the gang pieces one time. 54 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:11,720 I think it was 1989, and we had discussed. 55 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,860 How, you know, he would be able to possibly get a $25 ,000 game piece and, 56 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,140 you know, if we could do something with it, you know, whatever. 57 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:31,320 A month later, six weeks later, I don't remember, he showed up with a piece. 58 00:05:31,940 --> 00:05:33,780 And he says, cash it in. 59 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:35,700 There was an 800 number. 60 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:41,780 to uh call which i did and they gave me instructions i went to the post office i 61 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:46,360 registered it whatever the words are at the post office and everything else and 62 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:53,280 i sent it in i think i was the first person 63 00:05:53,280 --> 00:06:00,220 to turn the ticket in he knew i knew i um i'd keep my mouth shut i 64 00:06:00,220 --> 00:06:05,080 guess that's the right way of saying it he trusted me with it yeah did he tell 65 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,710 you how he did it No. 66 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:09,210 No. 67 00:06:20,150 --> 00:06:25,370 So we were looking into Simon Marketing's Jerry Jacobson. 68 00:06:28,770 --> 00:06:33,590 Once we got the Title III surveillance listening to phone call. 69 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,240 We had him on the wire all day, all night. 70 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:44,000 So we had thought, hey, this may be the main guy. So then we started focusing 71 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,020 more on trying to figure out who he was. 72 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:53,480 After really digging into this Jerome Jacobson background, we discovered, 73 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,740 other things, that he had been a police officer in Hollywood, Florida. 74 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:08,770 To become a police officer, you have to be a level -headed individual. 75 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:13,110 Honesty and trustworthiness is paramount. 76 00:07:14,310 --> 00:07:20,930 Jerry Jacobson was a patrolman, and he came to me in the parking lot one 77 00:07:20,930 --> 00:07:26,310 morning. At that time, I was investigating the death of a newborn 78 00:07:26,590 --> 00:07:29,430 We had no leads at all. 79 00:07:29,910 --> 00:07:34,130 And Jerry told me that he had some psychic friends. 80 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:39,810 that read about the case and that they were willing to assist. 81 00:07:40,630 --> 00:07:45,430 My reaction was I was grateful, and I did take him up on the offer. 82 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:49,690 I don't know that there's anything wrong having psychics as friends. 83 00:07:51,150 --> 00:07:54,350 I thought that was pretty wonderful. 84 00:07:58,870 --> 00:08:01,790 I met Jerry at Hollywood Police Department. 85 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:07,560 We both were on the same squad, and we started about the same time. 86 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,180 And one day he showed up at my front door to inform me that my boyfriend was 87 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:14,180 cheating on me. 88 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:17,120 So that's how I met Jerry. 89 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:26,820 We dated off and on, and there were some 90 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:31,500 good times and some bad times, but we got married in Tennessee. 91 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:34,169 I think it was 81. 92 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:38,610 And Jerry became my stepfather to my son. 93 00:08:41,409 --> 00:08:41,929 This 94 00:08:41,929 --> 00:08:48,610 big, 95 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:50,970 long silence isn't going to be in there, is it? 96 00:09:05,290 --> 00:09:12,090 One day, he started to shave, and he couldn't reach all the way up to shave. 97 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:17,910 It was difficult, and it was getting more difficult every time he tried to 98 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:21,330 By noon, he couldn't lift his arms. 99 00:09:22,350 --> 00:09:23,990 He couldn't lift his arms, period. 100 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:31,090 So I took him to the hospital, and they ran the test for multiple 101 00:09:31,090 --> 00:09:32,090 sclerosis. 102 00:09:32,979 --> 00:09:37,140 Guillain -Barre and a couple of other things, and he had the Guillain -Barre. 103 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:45,420 He says he's got MS, but technically it was 104 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:51,060 Guillain -Barre, and I took leave from my work and spent time at the hospital 105 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:54,140 with him because his mother was going to put him in a nursing home. 106 00:09:57,580 --> 00:10:00,280 I gave him 15 minutes a day to feel sorry for himself. 107 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,000 And after that 15 minutes, we're going to work. 108 00:10:03,380 --> 00:10:07,680 Because I felt like if we kept working, maybe we could stay ahead of the 109 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:08,680 paralysis. 110 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:15,740 So I fed him and gave him showers and walked him up and down the hall and all 111 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:16,740 that stuff. 112 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:26,200 After six or eight months, he finally turned around before it got to it. 113 00:10:26,570 --> 00:10:33,030 respiratory system it was getting there but it didn't quite take over so and 114 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:38,890 then the next day after the next couple of days it stabilized and then started 115 00:10:38,890 --> 00:10:45,770 turning around a little bit there's always a question why somebody leaves 116 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:51,010 a law enforcement career early many times there's a good reason but but 117 00:10:51,010 --> 00:10:52,370 always a question it's not typical 118 00:10:53,950 --> 00:11:00,310 And in his case, we learned that he had a health condition or an accident that 119 00:11:00,310 --> 00:11:02,370 had him go out, I guess, on a disability. 120 00:11:04,270 --> 00:11:10,770 He moved to Atlanta because there was a doctor in Atlanta or a hospital that 121 00:11:10,770 --> 00:11:12,170 dealt with nothing but MS. 122 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:16,850 I think the MS really proved his life completely because I think he always 123 00:11:16,850 --> 00:11:22,990 wanted to be in law enforcement and having the MS completely changed his 124 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,340 We moved to Atlanta together. 125 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:35,240 I got a job shortly after we came here in security. 126 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:38,760 He started getting better. 127 00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:44,240 And at that point, he wanted to go back to work. 128 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:51,500 Simon Marketing offered him a job working security for the Monopoly 129 00:11:58,510 --> 00:12:05,090 We, as the FBI, could not and logically would not march into Simon 130 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:10,630 Marketing and start asking questions about Jerry and that process. 131 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:17,350 Generally, when the FBI starts asking questions, people get a little spun up 132 00:12:17,350 --> 00:12:18,370 wonder really why. 133 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:24,530 We were working hand -in -hand with McDonald's, just trying to figure out 134 00:12:24,530 --> 00:12:26,210 how much. 135 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,440 They knew about Simon Marketing. 136 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,760 Surprisingly, McDonald's didn't know much about the process that Simon 137 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,780 went through with their promotional games. 138 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:45,100 I wasn't familiar with Simon Marketing at all until the investigation began. 139 00:12:45,260 --> 00:12:49,520 After that meeting with the FBI, I realized that I needed to learn a little 140 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,940 more about Simon Marketing and the promotion, so I set up a meeting with 141 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:56,040 Marketing under the guise of... 142 00:12:56,410 --> 00:13:00,590 trying to learn how the security procedures were in place? 143 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:07,990 We were able to enlist McDonald's to do these inquiries on our behalf, but I 144 00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:09,310 think also on their behalf, too. 145 00:13:09,770 --> 00:13:14,110 Did you tell them at that point that Jerome Jenkinson was a person of 146 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:20,390 Yeah, yeah, no, we would have not told McDonald's, because if we're wrong, 147 00:13:20,390 --> 00:13:23,470 sullied somebody's reputation for no good reason. 148 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,780 I don't know how much he was making at Simon. 149 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,400 His wife was working. 150 00:13:29,820 --> 00:13:31,700 I don't know if he needed the money. 151 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:40,060 No, I think he said he has a contact to get them or something. 152 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:41,560 I think it was contact. 153 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,580 It was not him. It was not him. 154 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,300 It was not him. 155 00:13:47,290 --> 00:13:48,350 Someone else? 156 00:13:48,570 --> 00:13:54,470 He gave me the idea it was not him stealing the tickets, that he had to 157 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:55,610 Hal to get the tickets. 158 00:13:56,490 --> 00:14:01,450 I was under the impression Jerry was a security for it. In other words, that 159 00:14:01,450 --> 00:14:07,570 another person was taking the tickets or whatever. I wasn't sure. I thought 160 00:14:07,570 --> 00:14:08,730 Jerry was security. 161 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:16,510 When I met with Simon Marketing, we went through the security procedures and the 162 00:14:16,510 --> 00:14:22,030 procedures at the printing press. They actually had a very thorough and 163 00:14:22,030 --> 00:14:27,050 comprehensive operation for ensuring the security and integrity of our game 164 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:29,890 pieces. So I was very pleased with what I saw. 165 00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:36,230 McDonald's reports that at the facility there was incredibly secure and that 166 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:37,750 this idea that... 167 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:42,590 things are loose or that they could walk right out of there was almost 168 00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:45,090 impossible, highly, highly, highly unlikely. 169 00:14:46,410 --> 00:14:51,370 The obvious question was how this whole process worked, how were game pieces 170 00:14:51,370 --> 00:14:52,450 printed, distributed. 171 00:14:54,470 --> 00:15:01,390 Simon Marketing had these game pieces made just north of Atlanta by 172 00:15:01,390 --> 00:15:03,670 a secure printing business. 173 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,680 My name is Jack Sisk. I actually was working in security at Dittler for 174 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,060 15 years, actually. 175 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:27,780 My name is Perry Pelock, and I was the bindery supervisor. 176 00:15:28,420 --> 00:15:30,640 My name is Doyle Grant, and I was the shipping clerk. 177 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,520 My name is Gilbin Peoples, and I was the parts clerk in the maintenance 178 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,520 department. 179 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,820 Dittler Brothers Printing was a very secure printing company, and that's how 180 00:15:42,820 --> 00:15:46,960 got into the lottery business and into scratch -off. 181 00:15:47,859 --> 00:15:51,640 And I think that's one of the reasons that we got the U .S. postage stamp job 182 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,600 because the federal government said, hey, this place is really secure because 183 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,020 got that and it went real well. 184 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,200 And then it grew from there, you know, three or four years and McDonald's, 185 00:16:01,220 --> 00:16:04,580 millions and millions of dollars to pay to print all this stuff. 186 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:11,500 I was the director of security for Dittler Brothers between 1987 and 2000. 187 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:15,660 And I worked with Jerry when they were running Monopoly. 188 00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:18,630 because Simon and Dittler were real close. 189 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:28,370 We had people in Dittler Brothers 24 hours. 190 00:16:28,830 --> 00:16:31,370 The Dittler Brothers facility was very secure. 191 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:35,970 You had to go through a guard shack to get into the facility. You had to sign 192 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:37,070 when you got into the facility. 193 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:41,970 Then you had to go through another guard to get into the room where the state 194 00:16:41,970 --> 00:16:44,570 lotteries were being produced along with our game pieces. 195 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:51,290 When Monopoly was running, it would just about take everything in the plant 196 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:53,050 running. It would get so big. 197 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:56,810 That was our large customer by a long shot. 198 00:16:57,090 --> 00:17:00,550 You're talking hundreds of millions of game pieces, you know. 199 00:17:01,010 --> 00:17:05,589 When we did press runs of winners, we pretty much surrounded the press. 200 00:17:05,869 --> 00:17:10,150 They had alarm systems. They had cameras. The gate was opened, and it 201 00:17:10,270 --> 00:17:11,270 Alarm would go off. 202 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:13,829 We had a big ball when we had winners in. 203 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,560 There were two locks. 204 00:17:18,339 --> 00:17:22,720 It's almost like, you know, back in the Cold War, you'd have two people in a 205 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,740 missile silo, and it takes two. 206 00:17:25,339 --> 00:17:30,940 Jerry was in there for Simon to make sure that Dittler brothers were doing 207 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:36,860 jobs. Jerry would stand behind and look over their shoulder and get their 208 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:37,860 combination. 209 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,520 Then he would raise, holy hell, because we allowed him to do that. 210 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:49,930 All the game pieces that were produced by Dittler Brothers were loaded on 211 00:17:49,930 --> 00:17:54,910 trucks. Security would actually physically lock the back of the truck. 212 00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:59,610 Once that truck left, we normally would get on an airplane, fly to that city, 213 00:17:59,710 --> 00:18:05,230 and meet the truck the next morning to unlock it, break the seal, verify what 214 00:18:05,230 --> 00:18:06,230 was loaded. 215 00:18:07,330 --> 00:18:13,270 My name is Brian Littrell. I work security, flash quality control for the 216 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:14,810 that McDonald's usually ran. 217 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:20,300 We would bring the labels out, free drinks, free fries, and the two pieces 218 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,780 assemble together, the label on top of the cup. 219 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:29,040 The higher -level winners was done by a completely different, more secure 220 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,600 process. I would usually get a call saying that Jerry was going to be coming 221 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,720 with an independent auditor. 222 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:40,840 Dittler security has to be there. 223 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,960 Simon has to be there, the auditor has to be there, and the customer service 224 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,960 has to be there. 225 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:49,460 And they all witnessed the winner run. 226 00:18:50,180 --> 00:18:54,700 The auditor would unlock the suitcase. There was an envelope inside with 227 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:59,420 signatures across the seal to make sure that it was still the same contents as 228 00:18:59,420 --> 00:19:03,300 to when it was packaged. And inside there, there would be a certain number 229 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:07,200 seeds. This is what a seed would look like, one of which was a high -level 230 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,200 winner, the rest were common. 231 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,380 And then I would insert them in various production lines. 232 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,060 No one knew, and no one was supposed to know, where the high -level winner was. 233 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,420 You go into the McDonald's, you open up the game piece, and maybe you're an 234 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:26,600 instant million -dollar winner. 235 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:27,860 I won! 236 00:19:29,290 --> 00:19:34,610 And so when these game pieces got to the Simon Marketing Redemption Center and 237 00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:37,690 it goes through the process of, do we have a real winner? 238 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:46,870 They literally would be opened by a person with gloves. These are all being 239 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:47,870 recorded. 240 00:19:48,670 --> 00:19:55,530 And there would always be an error made in the winning game piece. Say, on one 241 00:19:55,530 --> 00:19:58,190 corner, there's a little chip out of the word. 242 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:05,700 We also write on the Million Dollar Winner a little code on there with a 243 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:06,559 light pen. 244 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,560 You can't see. 245 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,420 So if you show up with a piece that doesn't have the code on it, you're 246 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:15,260 get caught real soon. 247 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,480 We were always a little bit overboard. 248 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:26,720 But, yeah, we protected McDonald's, and I think that's a major reason they used 249 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,840 us. And, of course, Jerry was in there sort of telling them how it needed to be 250 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,840 built. 251 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:35,140 How would you describe Jerry when you were working with him? 252 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:38,480 Everybody liked Jerry. I mean, everybody in the office liked Jerry. 253 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,740 He wasn't real flashy. 254 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,780 We always had Thanksgiving. Everybody sort of brought in a potluck at 255 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:48,660 Thanksgiving. And Jerry always brought in ribs. 256 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,980 And his ribs were delicious. 257 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,160 They would just fall off the bone. 258 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,580 Yes, everybody looked forward to his ribs. 259 00:20:56,970 --> 00:20:59,190 He didn't seem to be big -headed at all. 260 00:20:59,590 --> 00:21:04,270 And he was always very generous. If he made ribs for himself, he would make 261 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:05,270 for the whole office. 262 00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:08,530 Jerry was a generous fellow. 263 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:16,270 We got divorced, and even when he was married again and I needed something, he 264 00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:17,270 would be right there. 265 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:20,930 There's nothing stingy about him at all. 266 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:23,650 After we got divorced, it was like... 267 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:29,530 Even though he was the head of security for Simon, he still worked under my 268 00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:31,570 guidelines and Dittler Brothers. 269 00:21:32,290 --> 00:21:34,790 I told him if he stole anything, I'd kill him. 270 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:49,630 When you got your check, what was it like? 271 00:21:50,610 --> 00:21:54,380 Exciting. Well, I'm not going to lie, it was exciting and everything else. And, 272 00:21:54,420 --> 00:21:57,220 you know, I deposited it and we split it. 273 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:03,940 Down the road, he came to me and he said that he could do bigger pieces. 274 00:22:05,140 --> 00:22:11,920 I had not cashed in anything but a $25 ,000 ticket, and I didn't want any parts 275 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,879 of them. 276 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,480 At that time... 277 00:22:14,830 --> 00:22:18,810 I was going to New York like every Tuesday morning and coming home every 278 00:22:18,810 --> 00:22:23,350 Wednesday night. I was buying maternity clothes in New York for my maternity 279 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:24,350 shop. 280 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:29,750 So I approached two people who were manufacturers in New York that I dealt 281 00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:34,990 for many, many, many years. And I approached them if they would be 282 00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:36,650 possibly doing a deal with Jerry. 283 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:40,270 Who were those two people? I'd rather not mention names. 284 00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:50,890 No, I'm pretty sure. Well, maybe his nieces and nephews. 285 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:58,670 No, I'd never heard anybody refer to him as Uncle Jerry. 286 00:23:02,030 --> 00:23:05,450 For a while, the question was, well, who is Uncle Jerry? 287 00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:08,610 Oh, well, there's a Jerry Jacobson working at Simon. 288 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:10,570 That must be Uncle Jerry. 289 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,820 But there was always this inference maybe that Uncle Jerry was somehow 290 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:23,740 to organized crime, Italian organized crime, because the uncle connotation 291 00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:29,240 this kind of almost like a godfather -ish sort of moniker. 292 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:36,500 Then we found out that there was another Jerry involved in this named 293 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,720 Jerry Columbo. 294 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:45,260 People everywhere are winning big, playing the Monopoly game at McDonald's. 295 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,960 Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper, and there are two $1 million prizes left. 296 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:55,220 My name is Frank Colombo. I am brother of Jerry, Gennaro Colombo. And I'm 297 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:58,520 Heather Colombo, and I am Frank Colombo's wife. 298 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,600 I really wanted him to keep the car. 299 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:04,760 You know, I was, you know, a young guy. I'm like, hey, a Dodge Viper, I mean, 300 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,160 pretty damn cool. Can I borrow it? 301 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,540 But it was too small. I mean, he was a big guy. 302 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:13,710 But it was kind of funny because all of my friends would call me, hey, your 303 00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:14,750 brother won the car. 304 00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:18,330 Oh, my God. And I'm sitting there laughing in the back of my head going, 305 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:19,390 okay, he won the car, sure. 306 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:23,230 It was just amusing that people believed it. 307 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:24,910 It worked. 308 00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:45,830 I'm Robin Colombo. 309 00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:49,590 My husband is Jerry Colombo, Genaro Colombo. 310 00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:54,470 He was part of the Colombo crime family. 311 00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:04,910 That commercial, that almost cost him his life because he wasn't supposed to 312 00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:05,849 a commercial. 313 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:11,710 And what was Jerry thinking to be in an actual national TV commercial? 314 00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:13,770 Because he's a ham. 315 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:18,130 He was even going to be in a movie with Jackie Chan, as a matter of fact. 316 00:25:18,910 --> 00:25:19,910 I said, what? 317 00:25:20,110 --> 00:25:21,350 That doesn't even sound right. 318 00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:28,170 You, a big -ass Sicilian, and a China man, and a Western. 319 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:30,130 I said, oh, my God. 320 00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:35,110 And it was that same noon, night, whatever it is. 321 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:36,450 It was that. 322 00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:38,690 Mom! 323 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,100 Come get this dog out of here. 324 00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:42,400 The Sicilian culture, 325 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,360 of course, it's family first, no matter what. 326 00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:51,200 But when I met her, I didn't want her to know my last name because I want her to 327 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,080 know me and not my family. 328 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,860 As a matter of fact, for the first three to four months, I didn't even know his 329 00:25:57,860 --> 00:26:02,380 name. He would go by a completely different name and only did I. 330 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,240 I see a bracelet on his wrist one day, and I questioned him on the name that 331 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,400 said Frank C, when this is entirely different from the name that he gave me. 332 00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:13,440 Yes, I went by Tony Iannotti. 333 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,360 I kind of keep that in the background. You know, not too many people know who 334 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:21,920 family is until now. 335 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:27,560 Five families have run New York's Italian -American Mafia. The names are 336 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,480 familiar. Bonanno, Gambino, Genovese, Lucchese, and Columbo. 337 00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:36,580 Police in Brooklyn pulled a man's body out of the water duct taped inside a 338 00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:40,460 tarp. Police say someone also tied a cinder block to the victim's ankle. 339 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:45,000 My name is Joe Colombo. I should be treated the same as anybody else. 340 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:50,780 Joe Colombo, real estate broker, mafia boss, and one of the biggest con men in 341 00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:52,100 the history of organized crime. 342 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,140 What was your reaction when you learned that the shooting had occurred at the 343 00:26:56,140 --> 00:27:00,640 Colombo's? I just heard, like, shots, about eight shots, and I didn't think 344 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,780 were shots. I thought they were firecrackers. His high profile caused 345 00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:08,680 bosses to okay his murder, the man some called an underworld boss. 346 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,860 My brother wasn't the normal, you know, when you watch The Sopranos, you know, 347 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,780 and he's the guy's talking to him, you know, all about, hey, forget about it, 348 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,679 and all this kind of nonsense. 349 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,100 Forget about it. Forget about it. Now forget about it. 350 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,720 Forget about it. 351 00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:31,560 That's the movies. 352 00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:34,520 Now, did he do things like that? 353 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,040 Absolutely. 354 00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:38,880 But he did it with humor. 355 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,100 More like, I guess if you got Marlon Brando and Joe Pesci and put them 356 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:46,940 you'd probably end up with my brother. 357 00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:49,180 You know? 358 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,440 That's pretty much it. 359 00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:57,780 Now that I think about this, if you got Al Capone and Rodney Dangerfield and 360 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:00,040 mashed them together, You got my brother. 361 00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:02,000 I think that's a good analogy. 362 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:15,180 The first time I met Jerry, we looked at each other, and it was like the 363 00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,960 chemistry between us was crazy. 364 00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:22,920 Like, you know, cartoon, you know, everything's like boom, boom. 365 00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:26,900 I was having a long -distance relationship with a federal agent. 366 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,760 who was not that fun. 367 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,060 And Jury was fun, so I chose him. 368 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,340 My father was military and strict, very strict. 369 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:43,520 So, yeah, they didn't go so well, but thank you. 370 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,240 I rebelled. 371 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:53,580 We were married in Panama City, Florida. 372 00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:58,880 It wasn't as extravagant as you would think because I was pregnant. 373 00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:01,180 So no Catholic wedding. 374 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,220 My brother Jerry had his hand in a lot of different avenues. 375 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,300 He had some bookying things that he was doing with bookies and what have you. 376 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:20,180 He was in charge of security at the Taj Mahal for a few years. 377 00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:22,780 That was the old Trump Taj Mahal. 378 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:29,580 He would gamble, and he would win a lot. I don't know if that was rigged as 379 00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:30,820 well, possibly. 380 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Everything's rigged in life. Nothing anymore. Yeah. 381 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,780 He was always looking at a way to make some good, easy money. 382 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:43,520 You know we had the little gray M &M as well. 383 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480 Did you know that? 384 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,580 Okay, I smoke a half a door in a night. I need to relax. 385 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,920 I need to put on something funny. 386 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,640 And just let me chill. 387 00:29:55,540 --> 00:30:00,800 Well, when I would wake up in the middle of the night, I had to have something 388 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,140 sweet. So I had Reese's Cups down in the kitchen, right? 389 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:10,740 So he had to let me know there was a gray M &M wrapped in aluminum foil. 390 00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:12,680 And he told me, don't touch it. 391 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,200 The rules say if you find a gray imposter M &M's, the winning bag could 392 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,200 $1 million. 393 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,600 And then... 394 00:30:21,370 --> 00:30:25,230 He says, you're also going to win a publisher's clearinghouse. 395 00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:26,910 When they come to your door, knock. 396 00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:30,490 You have won a million dollars from publisher's clearinghouse. I can't 397 00:30:30,490 --> 00:30:31,610 it. This is the truth. 398 00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:34,810 Real people really win the publisher's clearinghouse sweepstakes. 399 00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:38,970 They're probably going to say, ah, bullshit, you know, all that. But I'm 400 00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:40,170 telling you what my husband told me. 401 00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:44,450 Jerry wanted something big. 402 00:30:45,390 --> 00:30:49,450 He kept threatening, you know, I'm going to work for my uncles up in New York. 403 00:30:49,550 --> 00:30:50,550 You know, I'm like. 404 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,660 Well, you know what? I think it's time. 405 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,340 You know, you can spend too much time with somebody, and you don't play golf. 406 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,420 And, I mean, the only golf club he had was about this big, and that was, well. 407 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:13,380 So he went up north, and he got with Uncle Dominic, who was the godfather. 408 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:19,380 So Uncle Dominic, was he an actual? No, they call that out of respect. 409 00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:22,760 He wasn't an actual uncle. 410 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:29,940 But he loved my husband because my husband was old school, full -blooded 411 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:30,940 Sicilian. 412 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:33,220 He was hooking him up with everything. 413 00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:38,560 My name's Jennifer Etheridge. 414 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,020 Robin Colombo is my mother. 415 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,000 Jerry Colombo is my stepfather. 416 00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:48,680 You couldn't help not to like him. And especially with, you know, his... 417 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:55,500 career that he was into um it was definitely intriguing at the time you 418 00:31:55,500 --> 00:32:00,040 would show me duffel bags of money and whip it out here you go go buy you 419 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,140 something nice you know and then i'd say when i was about 15 16 years old that's 420 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:10,880 when jerry got into the monopoly thing and then that definitely you know it was 421 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,820 that was a big deal he had promised me um a million dollar ticket whenever i 422 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:17,820 turned 18. 423 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,360 because nobody could have the same last name. And since my last name was 424 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,040 Etheridge, you know, I was going to be able to win a million -dollar ticket. 425 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,600 I was like, oh, heck yeah, absolutely. 426 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:34,600 Your brother, how did he get introduced to this whole situation? 427 00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:42,300 With the Monopoly situation, Uncle Dominic worked for family members in the 428 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:45,880 York division and a mutual friend of his. 429 00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:49,410 kind of said hey i got this guy that's doing this and this might be interested 430 00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:56,130 and so forth and so on and uh that was jerome from simon marketing uh 431 00:32:56,130 --> 00:33:02,570 he was getting the tickets do you think that uncle 432 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:09,190 dominic has found jerry jacobson like that this was something that uncle 433 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:15,030 dominic initiated i don't know it could have been i think 434 00:33:16,469 --> 00:33:21,910 Jerome possibly started it on his own in the beginning, and then people got wind 435 00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:26,990 of what he was doing, and then they said, hey, let's see if we can use this 436 00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:28,630 an avenue to expand it. 437 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:32,250 And I believe that was brought to my brother's attention, like, hey, there's 438 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:35,470 this guy, he's doing this, and let's see if we can expand the horizon. 439 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:42,830 But then Jerry, my Jerry, received a phone call that Uncle Dominic died. 440 00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:44,990 How did that happen? 441 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,590 You know, you don't really talk about that. 442 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:56,930 So anyway, my Jerry and Jerry Jacobson became partners on the 443 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:57,930 monopoly team. 444 00:33:58,390 --> 00:33:59,410 To Jerry. 445 00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:13,690 Working any case is like a big puzzle. You start with a little piece. 446 00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:19,800 And you've got to try to vet whether that is legitimate, whether it has any 447 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,880 merit to it. The undercover portion with Michael Hoover went beyond 448 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,020 expectations. 449 00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:30,980 We had Michael Hoover calling A .J. Glum. 450 00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:38,420 We suspected Glum was a recruiter, and he probably didn't just recruit Hoover. 451 00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:41,760 Is there a connection to Uncle Jerry? 452 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,020 And so we started looking into him and then expanded into other phone lines. 453 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:53,739 We had coverage on many lines, including Jerry Jacobson, A .J. Glum, and a 454 00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:54,739 number of the winners. 455 00:34:54,980 --> 00:35:01,140 The spider web of all, like, we didn't know how big this was. We had this Uncle 456 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:03,820 Jerry. Everything was very general, nebulous. 457 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:09,880 So inside the wire room, people sitting there getting ready to listen, and 458 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,880 nothing happens. 459 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,040 You put all this effort into it, and nothing happens. 460 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,700 You're spending your weekend doing that. 461 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:22,600 Unfortunately, in these conversations on the wire, the winners mostly had 462 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,560 innocuous conversations that have nothing to do with the crime. 463 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:33,540 So we start coming up with, all right, how do we get past winners to recount 464 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:36,040 how they allegedly won these pieces? 465 00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:37,500 I said, look. 466 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:38,879 We can do this. 467 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,060 Why don't we bring all these past winners to Vegas? I just did Vegas. 468 00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:45,060 I said. 469 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,520 I don't know why I picked Vegas. Probably because it's the fun meter 470 00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:53,800 which is the immediate no, you know. 471 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,620 But I said, hey, hear me out. 472 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,200 Let's do a reunion of all these past winners. 473 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,700 Let's bring all these people together. Tell us. 474 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,880 Because we didn't know their stories. Tell us. 475 00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:10,030 how they won these and what they did with it, that kind of thing. Because, 476 00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:13,710 know, McDonald's has big pockets. They get some all -expenses -paid trips to 477 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:17,070 Vegas, balloons falling in the confetti, and they love that shit. 478 00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:20,150 And, you know, the questions were, Matthews, where are you going to do 479 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:21,510 Embassy Suites. 480 00:36:21,790 --> 00:36:26,450 Take the whole floor, rope everything off, right? Just in case stupid shows up 481 00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:30,090 and you have them all lined up in these rooms and just arrest them all at the 482 00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:31,090 same time, right? 483 00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:32,410 Great thing. 484 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:34,190 No. 485 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,800 No way in hell. 486 00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:37,860 No, Doug. 487 00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:41,660 How much is that going to cost us? 488 00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:46,760 We did have some budgets to deal with. I can't remember what it was. It was 489 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,420 like, get him out of here, whatever it was. 490 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,980 I can't believe you said that. 491 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,440 Doug is one of the hardest working agents I've ever met in my life. 492 00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:56,660 Very creative. 493 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,260 He'll do anything. He'll try anything. 494 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,260 And he can talk forever. 495 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,340 He is relentless. 496 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:13,500 This idea of, quote -unquote, hosting a reunion of past winners in Las Vegas 497 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:19,100 seemed so outlandish up front. And then we realized, wait a minute, if you're 498 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:23,420 not going to follow through with it, you can promise some pretty elaborate 499 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:28,360 things. Everybody likes to go to Vegas. So in preparation for that wonderful 500 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,700 conference that we were going to have, all expense paid. 501 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:35,820 We could contact these winners, go out and film them to capture their so 502 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,980 story, and then the carrot was you get this trip to Vegas. 503 00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:45,020 Rick was freaked out about it, but I wasn't. Remember, I'm the guy that's 504 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,020 I know this is going to work because I know it is, right? It's all shamrock, 505 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160 baby, shamrock. 506 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:59,700 I was the direct contact with the winners, so I could legitimize all of 507 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:00,700 information. 508 00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:06,050 It was all recorded, and, you know, it was 17 years ago, so it was a big tape 509 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:10,550 recorder that I carried around in a black McDonald's briefcase. I even 510 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:14,330 it to my friend's wedding in Jackson Hole because, you know, I had to be able 511 00:38:14,330 --> 00:38:19,090 tape the calls whenever they came. If, like, I had to flip the tape, I'd be 512 00:38:19,090 --> 00:38:22,430 like, can I put you on hold for a second? You know, and then I'd flip the 513 00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:24,330 and then put them back on. 514 00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:28,110 Amy would call him up. 515 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:34,140 and say, hey, look, we're putting together this media release of previous 516 00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:38,980 winners, how they won it, what they did with it, some of their story that hasn't 517 00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:40,280 been really told. 518 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:45,780 We'll come to you, or you can come to us, wherever we were going to do it, 519 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,080 whatever hotel that you want. 520 00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:49,460 Nobody said no to that. 521 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,600 Most everybody was like, tell me when we're going to Vegas. 522 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,720 Obviously, we were not going to do a reunion, but to the winners, we told 523 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:03,660 we're planning this big reunion, and we started to get them actually excited to 524 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:04,760 be going to Las Vegas. 525 00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:09,460 That was kind of fundamental that it was a bit of a ruse. We didn't make 526 00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:11,000 reservations in Las Vegas. 527 00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:14,370 I think the pitch was, you know, we're going to put your story up on the big 528 00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:17,870 screen and, you know, over a dinner and everybody's going to clap. And are you 529 00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:20,610 interested in the reunion of winners? And of course they are. 530 00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:27,270 Well, locking them into a story on camera takes a B minus case and makes 531 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:28,970 know, an A plus case. 532 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,080 My name is Doug Astrologa. I'm an FBI agent, and I was the lighting guy for 533 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,420 Shamrock production in the McDonald's case. 534 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,740 Oh, so this is a little, yeah, I remember this. 535 00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:11,820 Doug Astrologa was a relatively young agent, you know, real, 536 00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:17,980 real enthusiastic, charismatic guy. When I came out of Quantico, I wanted to do 537 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:18,980 something exciting. 538 00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:24,260 Originally, I had stuck him with the admin agent on this Title III, which is, 539 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:29,960 all the jobs, probably the most thankless. I mean, it really is a brutal 540 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,880 but there's a reward process that happens. 541 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,500 So in Doug's case, we let him work on the undercover with Doug Matthews, the 542 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,320 quote -unquote lighting guy. 543 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:45,600 I had no idea what I was doing. I was just using this light meter and pressing 544 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,260 something on this going, it's great. 545 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:54,330 I still have no idea how to use one of these, actually. But I do believe we 546 00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:55,330 more lighting over here. 547 00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:00,670 Really, the point was to engage them in conversations. 548 00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:05,810 That had to reconcile with what they had originally stated for McDonald's to win 549 00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:06,488 the prize. 550 00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:12,370 We recorded these interviews with them so the FBI could then match the 551 00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:17,170 match the facts, what they originally told McDonald's, what they're telling us 552 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:18,170 on camera. 553 00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:20,790 what the FBI sort of already knew. 554 00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:26,390 So that once we had the evidence showing that, you know you didn't win this 555 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:31,230 legitimately, you've lied to the FBI, and here's the evidence to prove it, 556 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:33,350 would be more willing to cooperate. 557 00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:37,770 Can you explain the difference between the Chapman and what the FBI did? 558 00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:45,290 The FBI was merely, when the FBI took a film crew to a winner, 559 00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:46,850 that winner... 560 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:53,990 had already contacted Simon Marketing, hence McDonald's, claiming to have been 561 00:41:53,990 --> 00:42:00,850 winner. They're already saying, I did this, and this is how I obtained 562 00:42:00,850 --> 00:42:01,850 this game piece. 563 00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:06,650 An individual could never claim that's entrapment because... 564 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,630 They did it before the law enforcement was involved. 565 00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:18,090 Entrapment is to have law enforcement put the idea into the person's head and 566 00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:21,150 get them to do something they otherwise wouldn't have done. 567 00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:28,490 We weren't saying, say this, say that, and say that. We were saying, how, what, 568 00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:30,670 where, who. 569 00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:35,410 Those are just opportunities for him to fill in the blanks. 570 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,660 and tell us what he wants to tell. 571 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:42,020 Remember, just keep looking at me. And if you mess up or you feel like you want 572 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,660 to say it again, we can start all over again. 573 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,340 I hand gesture sometimes it gets in there, so I'll make sure I don't do 574 00:42:50,540 --> 00:42:56,700 Okay, why don't we go back to that day that you won in New Hampshire, and can 575 00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,340 you just sort of describe the day for us, what you were doing in the morning 576 00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:04,360 at work and then? It was a summer day. 577 00:43:07,009 --> 00:43:09,770 I wasn't working. It was Sunday, as a matter of fact. 578 00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:19,790 And there wasn't a whole lot of work to do. So, you know, browsing through 579 00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:22,670 the Sunday paper, as I am wont to do. 580 00:43:22,930 --> 00:43:27,210 He was fumbling through it, trying to figure out how he won that particular 581 00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:32,730 piece. In reality, a life experience like that is... 582 00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:37,010 drilled into your memory forever and ever. Nobody wins a million dollars on a 583 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:38,010 regular basis. 584 00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:44,990 I found the insert and I 585 00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:51,710 found the little tear -off tab and I 586 00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:54,790 got cold, very cold. 587 00:43:55,050 --> 00:43:57,470 He was sweating so bad. 588 00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,130 Like, I know at some point Amy 589 00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:06,840 even said to me, every time you ask him a question, it's like I've got to get 590 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,260 the towel to dot his head. 591 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:15,700 It was pouring out because he was lying about everything. 592 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,860 Well, suffice it to say, I just got cold all over. 593 00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:22,800 And then did you go to the McDonald's to say that you had won, or how did it 594 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,060 work? No, first, I wasn't so sure about it. 595 00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:28,680 I went to a lawyer. 596 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,240 I did. You know, you need to protect yourself. 597 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,480 Do you remember who that was? 598 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:35,720 No, I don't. 599 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,860 Was the lawyer in Litchfield? 600 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:45,400 No, it was over in... You 601 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,140 could zoom in, because we did, zoom in on his forehead, and you could just see 602 00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:51,280 the sweat. 603 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,280 You want to take a little sip of water? 604 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:56,500 Yes. 605 00:44:58,690 --> 00:45:03,450 I'm kind of paying attention to that a little bit. I'm leaking. 606 00:45:03,970 --> 00:45:10,090 You know, and I'd say stuff like, hey, so nobody, like, called you up and said, 607 00:45:10,270 --> 00:45:14,990 hey, we need you to be a winner or whatever. And he'd go, God, no, I'd 608 00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:17,870 that. And it just pours. The sweat would pour. 609 00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:24,730 I went to a lawyer, and he advised me to, at all costs, 610 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,500 Protect my identity. 611 00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:31,940 It just seemed odd to me that many of the people I talked to did not want to 612 00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:36,360 come forward, and they seemed to have knowledge about what their legal rights 613 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,720 were about being anonymous or not. 614 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,960 Who is Buddy Fisher? 615 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:49,020 Buddy Fisher was the father of Robin Colombo, who was married 616 00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:50,340 to Jerry Colombo. 617 00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:59,210 I'll never forget it. I was upstairs in my bedroom, and my father called me. 618 00:45:59,830 --> 00:46:04,950 And there wasn't many words exchanged. He just said, I want the big one. So I 619 00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:05,950 knew what it meant. 620 00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:13,030 He did get one of the million -dollar tickets, and he had never broken 621 00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:15,530 a law in his entire life. 622 00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:22,450 One stipulation that my grandfather made, he says, okay, if I get this 623 00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:29,810 I'm not doing a commercial, but I remember we would be getting phone 624 00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:34,750 and they would talk to my grandfather and say, hey, we're trying to get all of 625 00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:40,610 the Monopoly winners together for some kind of reunion or something like that. 626 00:46:40,610 --> 00:46:43,530 want to say it was Vegas, so he didn't make that trip. 627 00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:48,650 Now, had your wife or anyone in your whole family ever won anything like that 628 00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:49,488 before? No. 629 00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:50,490 Never? Nothing. 630 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,960 So this was big. 631 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,600 Huge. 632 00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:56,100 So you're the luckiest one in your family, huh? 633 00:46:56,380 --> 00:47:01,480 Yes. Yes. So have any of your kids or grandkids played Monopoly or tried to 634 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,880 or anything like that? Yes, and we still do. Oh, good. And we still do, yes. 635 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,500 Have any of them won any cars? 636 00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:08,060 No. 637 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,880 I think I won a cheeseburger. 638 00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:18,320 Would it surprise you to know that she actually did do an interview to possibly 639 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,580 use at that reunion? 640 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:23,790 You said he did do one? I did not know that. 641 00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:28,330 Oh. Okay, yeah, I did not know that. 642 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:31,310 Hmm. Okay. 643 00:47:32,290 --> 00:47:33,290 Wow. 644 00:47:34,510 --> 00:47:35,510 Is that around? 645 00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:43,350 You know, the greed was crazy here, which is great for us. 646 00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:56,460 One night, Jerry and I were out with our wives to dinner, and we went to the 647 00:47:56,460 --> 00:48:00,680 men's room together. That sounds horrible, but we went to the men's room 648 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,360 together, and Jerry gave me a million -dollar ticket. 649 00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:11,020 And I told him, I don't want to be involved. I really don't. I had not 650 00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:13,580 anything but a $25 ,000 ticket. 651 00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:16,060 I told him I didn't need the million dollars. 652 00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:20,340 I told him I was out of it. I said, Jerry, you know what? I don't know what 653 00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:23,280 did with these guys, how much you made or anything else. 654 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,440 There's a time and there's a place. 655 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:27,580 Stop and everything else. 656 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,260 He said, well, just do something with the ticket. 657 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,280 So I took the ticket and I flushed it down the toilet. 658 00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:41,160 And what was his reaction when you flushed it down the toilet in front of 659 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,560 None. Zero. 660 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:46,820 He didn't have any reaction to you flushing a million dollars down the 661 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:48,600 I didn't either. How's that? 662 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:54,120 Yeah, how's that? I didn't either. No. 663 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,180 I knew I was doing the right thing. 664 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,860 And Jerry had told me it was over and that was it. 665 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,920 I'm telling you, the night I flushed that ticket down the toilet, I thought 666 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,920 was over. 667 00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:12,940 I thought it was over. 668 00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:17,740 I swear to you, on everything holy, I thought it was over. 669 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:30,480 If I even suspected he was taking tickets, I would have told on him in a 670 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,940 heartbeat. And he knew it. I think that's why I didn't know it. I bet 671 00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:35,940 I didn't get a ticket. 672 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,880 After Jerry got sick with this John Bray syndrome, there was something different 673 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,880 in him. 674 00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:54,000 Even though he was well on the road to mending, he could have repercussions 675 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,520 later on being crippled or bedridden or dead. 676 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,600 So he had nothing to lose at that point. 677 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,500 My husband, Jerry, we got a lot of my family members involved. 678 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,280 And that isn't all. 679 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:15,680 My family members that won, that was just a little piece of the pie. 680 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,280 You had Al Capone with the prohibition. 681 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:29,260 You had Mike Frente with the gas. 682 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,840 And then now you have this, the Monopoly. 683 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,920 That's really the highest three money makers of the mob so far. 684 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,820 My husband picked the winners. He had tickets. 685 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,840 He flew everywhere. 686 00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:56,840 I think Uncle Jerry even may have got a little jealous. 687 00:50:57,450 --> 00:51:01,590 So can you spell that out? Because Jerry, Jerry, it's kind of... Uncle 688 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:02,870 Jerome Jacobson. 689 00:51:04,030 --> 00:51:07,410 And Jerry is my husband, Jerry Colombo. 690 00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:13,490 Jacobson became Uncle Jerry because that's an Italian thing. 691 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:17,190 My husband gave him up out of respect. 692 00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:32,900 If your general opinion of mankind is running kind of low this holiday season, 693 00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:36,680 here's a story that might make you feel much, much better about the human race. 694 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,200 St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis has received a very unusual 695 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,200 gift. 696 00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:56,620 Do you remember who gave that funny piece away? The St. Jude Children's 697 00:51:56,620 --> 00:51:57,620 Hospital? Yeah. 698 00:51:58,070 --> 00:51:59,190 That's Uncle Jerry. 699 00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:08,090 Hospital officials are calling this a gift from an angel in the true spirit of 700 00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:09,090 the season. 701 00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:16,310 This is a happy day. Woo -hoo! 702 00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:26,410 If you're out there and you hear me, we love you. 703 00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:24,910 My brother took this little small operation and made it huge. 704 00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:26,870 Literally, it was a monopoly of scams. 705 00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:31,510 The winners, they would just lie, lie, lie. 706 00:53:32,330 --> 00:53:35,430 We keep pushing. You never know when you're going to hit a wall. 707 00:53:35,650 --> 00:53:39,530 There was things that nobody knew, and I just kept it all to myself. 708 00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:42,530 I thought, I'm never going to get out of this. 709 00:53:42,850 --> 00:53:44,290 I was out of panic. 710 00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:48,250 I had no other option but to take this process through. 711 00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:51,050 The money got too big. 712 00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:52,850 With that comes the price. 61043

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