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From 1989 to 2001, there were almost no
legitimate winners in the McDonald's
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Monopoly game.
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I mean, how crazy bullshit is that?
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McDonald's makes French fries and apple
pies.
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They don't make marketing.
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Simon Marketing actually produced and
came up with a Monopoly game.
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The FBI told us the game pieces are
being stolen.
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And the person who's controlling this is
Uncle Jerry.
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We had this one shot.
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I wanted to burn down the criminal
enterprise.
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We were on the wiretaps to find out the
depths of this scheme.
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We did an analysis of past winners'
phone records. All these phone calls
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Jerome Jacobson, also known as Jerry
Jacobson, head of security for Simon
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Marketing.
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Hey, here's a man who looks like he has
something to say.
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Are we all set, Ronnie?
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Hey, careful.
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Looks like you've got flubber shoes on,
too, today.
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A wonderful, anonymous donor mailed
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a Monopoly game piece.
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And right here in the middle of it was a
little winning ticket of one
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million dollars.
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Somebody won a $1 million Monopoly game
at McDonald's, and God bless them,
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decided to send that money to the
children of St. Jude.
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Well, this is a great day.
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We at McDonald's have a game going,
which a person won a game piece in Texas
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mailed it to St. Jude's anonymously, and
McDonald's worked out a way to pay the
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game piece, even though it really can't
be transferred.
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It's just a wonderful Christmas story
that someone would give.
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That way, anonymously, not won any
recognition for the children at St.
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The McDonald's Monopoly game went back
to 1987, and so we
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didn't know how long the contest was
fixed.
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St. Jude's was listed as a winner, which
was certainly an anomaly.
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We didn't know if this was part of this
conspiracy.
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We didn't know how Jerry Jacobson was
involved in this fraud scheme.
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Of course, he was Uncle Jerry.
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I mean, at first you just think it's an
alias name, but at least it was at least
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half of the name.
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Hey, help me, Fred, will you? Oh, this
is heavy.
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Odds of finding the winning piece were
one in more than 206 million.
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Odds of someone giving it away, heaven
only knows.
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My name is Marvin Braun. I live in
Miami, Florida.
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Jerry Jacobson is my stepbrother. Yes,
he is my stepbrother.
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And did that make you close? Yeah, I
mean, we grew up as, I don't think
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-brothers, but we grew up close.
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We're only a week apart in age.
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His dream of life was always becoming an
FBI agent.
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It never worked out. But it's funny.
It's a funny story.
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If you said to me to describe this
story, I would say, don't believe it,
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it's true.
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Don't believe it.
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It's just weird. It's just weird how it
happened.
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He had discussed about the gang pieces
one time.
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I think it was 1989, and we had
discussed.
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How, you know, he would be able to
possibly get a $25 ,000 game piece and,
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you know, if we could do something with
it, you know, whatever.
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A month later, six weeks later, I don't
remember, he showed up with a piece.
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And he says, cash it in.
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There was an 800 number.
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to uh call which i did and they gave me
instructions i went to the post office i
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registered it whatever the words are at
the post office and everything else and
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i sent it in i think i was the first
person
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to turn the ticket in he knew i knew i
um i'd keep my mouth shut i
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guess that's the right way of saying it
he trusted me with it yeah did he tell
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you how he did it No.
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No.
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So we were looking into Simon
Marketing's Jerry Jacobson.
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Once we got the Title III surveillance
listening to phone call.
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We had him on the wire all day, all
night.
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So we had thought, hey, this may be the
main guy. So then we started focusing
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more on trying to figure out who he was.
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After really digging into this Jerome
Jacobson background, we discovered,
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other things, that he had been a police
officer in Hollywood, Florida.
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To become a police officer, you have to
be a level -headed individual.
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Honesty and trustworthiness is
paramount.
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Jerry Jacobson was a patrolman, and he
came to me in the parking lot one
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morning. At that time, I was
investigating the death of a newborn
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We had no leads at all.
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And Jerry told me that he had some
psychic friends.
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that read about the case and that they
were willing to assist.
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My reaction was I was grateful, and I
did take him up on the offer.
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I don't know that there's anything wrong
having psychics as friends.
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I thought that was pretty wonderful.
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I met Jerry at Hollywood Police
Department.
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We both were on the same squad, and we
started about the same time.
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And one day he showed up at my front
door to inform me that my boyfriend was
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cheating on me.
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So that's how I met Jerry.
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We dated off and on, and there were some
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good times and some bad times, but we
got married in Tennessee.
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I think it was 81.
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And Jerry became my stepfather to my
son.
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This
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big,
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long silence isn't going to be in there,
is it?
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One day, he started to shave, and he
couldn't reach all the way up to shave.
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It was difficult, and it was getting
more difficult every time he tried to
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By noon, he couldn't lift his arms.
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He couldn't lift his arms, period.
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So I took him to the hospital, and they
ran the test for multiple
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sclerosis.
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Guillain -Barre and a couple of other
things, and he had the Guillain -Barre.
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He says he's got MS, but technically it
was
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Guillain -Barre, and I took leave from
my work and spent time at the hospital
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with him because his mother was going to
put him in a nursing home.
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I gave him 15 minutes a day to feel
sorry for himself.
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And after that 15 minutes, we're going
to work.
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Because I felt like if we kept working,
maybe we could stay ahead of the
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paralysis.
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So I fed him and gave him showers and
walked him up and down the hall and all
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that stuff.
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After six or eight months, he finally
turned around before it got to it.
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respiratory system it was getting there
but it didn't quite take over so and
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then the next day after the next couple
of days it stabilized and then started
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turning around a little bit there's
always a question why somebody leaves
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a law enforcement career early many
times there's a good reason but but
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always a question it's not typical
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And in his case, we learned that he had
a health condition or an accident that
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had him go out, I guess, on a
disability.
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He moved to Atlanta because there was a
doctor in Atlanta or a hospital that
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dealt with nothing but MS.
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I think the MS really proved his life
completely because I think he always
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wanted to be in law enforcement and
having the MS completely changed his
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We moved to Atlanta together.
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I got a job shortly after we came here
in security.
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He started getting better.
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And at that point, he wanted to go back
to work.
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Simon Marketing offered him a job
working security for the Monopoly
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We, as the FBI, could not and logically
would not march into Simon
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Marketing and start asking questions
about Jerry and that process.
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Generally, when the FBI starts asking
questions, people get a little spun up
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wonder really why.
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We were working hand -in -hand with
McDonald's, just trying to figure out
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how much.
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They knew about Simon Marketing.
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Surprisingly, McDonald's didn't know
much about the process that Simon
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went through with their promotional
games.
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I wasn't familiar with Simon Marketing
at all until the investigation began.
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After that meeting with the FBI, I
realized that I needed to learn a little
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more about Simon Marketing and the
promotion, so I set up a meeting with
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Marketing under the guise of...
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trying to learn how the security
procedures were in place?
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We were able to enlist McDonald's to do
these inquiries on our behalf, but I
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think also on their behalf, too.
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Did you tell them at that point that
Jerome Jenkinson was a person of
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Yeah, yeah, no, we would have not told
McDonald's, because if we're wrong,
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sullied somebody's reputation for no
good reason.
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I don't know how much he was making at
Simon.
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His wife was working.
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I don't know if he needed the money.
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No, I think he said he has a contact to
get them or something.
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I think it was contact.
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It was not him. It was not him.
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It was not him.
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Someone else?
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He gave me the idea it was not him
stealing the tickets, that he had to
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Hal to get the tickets.
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I was under the impression Jerry was a
security for it. In other words, that
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another person was taking the tickets or
whatever. I wasn't sure. I thought
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Jerry was security.
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When I met with Simon Marketing, we went
through the security procedures and the
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procedures at the printing press. They
actually had a very thorough and
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comprehensive operation for ensuring the
security and integrity of our game
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pieces. So I was very pleased with what
I saw.
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McDonald's reports that at the facility
there was incredibly secure and that
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this idea that...
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things are loose or that they could walk
right out of there was almost
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impossible, highly, highly, highly
unlikely.
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The obvious question was how this whole
process worked, how were game pieces
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printed, distributed.
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Simon Marketing had these game pieces
made just north of Atlanta by
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a secure printing business.
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My name is Jack Sisk. I actually was
working in security at Dittler for
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15 years, actually.
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My name is Perry Pelock, and I was the
bindery supervisor.
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My name is Doyle Grant, and I was the
shipping clerk.
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My name is Gilbin Peoples, and I was the
parts clerk in the maintenance
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department.
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Dittler Brothers Printing was a very
secure printing company, and that's how
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got into the lottery business and into
scratch -off.
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And I think that's one of the reasons
that we got the U .S. postage stamp job
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because the federal government said,
hey, this place is really secure because
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got that and it went real well.
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And then it grew from there, you know,
three or four years and McDonald's,
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millions and millions of dollars to pay
to print all this stuff.
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I was the director of security for
Dittler Brothers between 1987 and 2000.
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And I worked with Jerry when they were
running Monopoly.
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because Simon and Dittler were real
close.
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We had people in Dittler Brothers 24
hours.
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The Dittler Brothers facility was very
secure.
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You had to go through a guard shack to
get into the facility. You had to sign
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when you got into the facility.
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Then you had to go through another guard
to get into the room where the state
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lotteries were being produced along with
our game pieces.
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When Monopoly was running, it would just
about take everything in the plant
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running. It would get so big.
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That was our large customer by a long
shot.
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You're talking hundreds of millions of
game pieces, you know.
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When we did press runs of winners, we
pretty much surrounded the press.
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They had alarm systems. They had
cameras. The gate was opened, and it
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Alarm would go off.
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We had a big ball when we had winners
in.
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There were two locks.
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It's almost like, you know, back in the
Cold War, you'd have two people in a
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missile silo, and it takes two.
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Jerry was in there for Simon to make
sure that Dittler brothers were doing
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jobs. Jerry would stand behind and look
over their shoulder and get their
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combination.
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Then he would raise, holy hell, because
we allowed him to do that.
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All the game pieces that were produced
by Dittler Brothers were loaded on
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trucks. Security would actually
physically lock the back of the truck.
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Once that truck left, we normally would
get on an airplane, fly to that city,
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and meet the truck the next morning to
unlock it, break the seal, verify what
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was loaded.
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My name is Brian Littrell. I work
security, flash quality control for the
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that McDonald's usually ran.
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We would bring the labels out, free
drinks, free fries, and the two pieces
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assemble together, the label on top of
the cup.
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The higher -level winners was done by a
completely different, more secure
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process. I would usually get a call
saying that Jerry was going to be coming
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with an independent auditor.
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Dittler security has to be there.
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Simon has to be there, the auditor has
to be there, and the customer service
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has to be there.
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And they all witnessed the winner run.
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The auditor would unlock the suitcase.
There was an envelope inside with
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signatures across the seal to make sure
that it was still the same contents as
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to when it was packaged. And inside
there, there would be a certain number
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seeds. This is what a seed would look
like, one of which was a high -level
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winner, the rest were common.
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And then I would insert them in various
production lines.
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No one knew, and no one was supposed to
know, where the high -level winner was.
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You go into the McDonald's, you open up
the game piece, and maybe you're an
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instant million -dollar winner.
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I won!
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And so when these game pieces got to the
Simon Marketing Redemption Center and
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it goes through the process of, do we
have a real winner?
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They literally would be opened by a
person with gloves. These are all being
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recorded.
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And there would always be an error made
in the winning game piece. Say, on one
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corner, there's a little chip out of the
word.
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We also write on the Million Dollar
Winner a little code on there with a
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light pen.
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You can't see.
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So if you show up with a piece that
doesn't have the code on it, you're
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get caught real soon.
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We were always a little bit overboard.
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But, yeah, we protected McDonald's, and
I think that's a major reason they used
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us. And, of course, Jerry was in there
sort of telling them how it needed to be
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built.
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How would you describe Jerry when you
were working with him?
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Everybody liked Jerry. I mean, everybody
in the office liked Jerry.
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He wasn't real flashy.
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We always had Thanksgiving. Everybody
sort of brought in a potluck at
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Thanksgiving. And Jerry always brought
in ribs.
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And his ribs were delicious.
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They would just fall off the bone.
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Yes, everybody looked forward to his
ribs.
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He didn't seem to be big -headed at all.
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And he was always very generous. If he
made ribs for himself, he would make
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for the whole office.
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Jerry was a generous fellow.
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We got divorced, and even when he was
married again and I needed something, he
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would be right there.
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There's nothing stingy about him at all.
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After we got divorced, it was like...
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Even though he was the head of security
for Simon, he still worked under my
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guidelines and Dittler Brothers.
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I told him if he stole anything, I'd
kill him.
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When you got your check, what was it
like?
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Exciting. Well, I'm not going to lie, it
was exciting and everything else. And,
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you know, I deposited it and we split
it.
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Down the road, he came to me and he said
that he could do bigger pieces.
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I had not cashed in anything but a $25
,000 ticket, and I didn't want any parts
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of them.
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At that time...
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I was going to New York like every
Tuesday morning and coming home every
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Wednesday night. I was buying maternity
clothes in New York for my maternity
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shop.
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So I approached two people who were
manufacturers in New York that I dealt
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for many, many, many years. And I
approached them if they would be
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possibly doing a deal with Jerry.
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Who were those two people? I'd rather
not mention names.
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No, I'm pretty sure. Well, maybe his
nieces and nephews.
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No, I'd never heard anybody refer to him
as Uncle Jerry.
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For a while, the question was, well, who
is Uncle Jerry?
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Oh, well, there's a Jerry Jacobson
working at Simon.
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That must be Uncle Jerry.
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But there was always this inference
maybe that Uncle Jerry was somehow
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to organized crime, Italian organized
crime, because the uncle connotation
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this kind of almost like a godfather
-ish sort of moniker.
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Then we found out that there was another
Jerry involved in this named
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Jerry Columbo.
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People everywhere are winning big,
playing the Monopoly game at McDonald's.
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Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper, and
there are two $1 million prizes left.
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My name is Frank Colombo. I am brother
of Jerry, Gennaro Colombo. And I'm
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Heather Colombo, and I am Frank
Colombo's wife.
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I really wanted him to keep the car.
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You know, I was, you know, a young guy.
I'm like, hey, a Dodge Viper, I mean,
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pretty damn cool. Can I borrow it?
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But it was too small. I mean, he was a
big guy.
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But it was kind of funny because all of
my friends would call me, hey, your
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brother won the car.
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Oh, my God. And I'm sitting there
laughing in the back of my head going,
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okay, he won the car, sure.
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It was just amusing that people believed
it.
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It worked.
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I'm Robin Colombo.
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My husband is Jerry Colombo, Genaro
Colombo.
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He was part of the Colombo crime family.
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That commercial, that almost cost him
his life because he wasn't supposed to
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a commercial.
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And what was Jerry thinking to be in an
actual national TV commercial?
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Because he's a ham.
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He was even going to be in a movie with
Jackie Chan, as a matter of fact.
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I said, what?
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That doesn't even sound right.
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You, a big -ass Sicilian, and a China
man, and a Western.
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I said, oh, my God.
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And it was that same noon, night,
whatever it is.
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It was that.
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Mom!
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Come get this dog out of here.
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The Sicilian culture,
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of course, it's family first, no matter
what.
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But when I met her, I didn't want her to
know my last name because I want her to
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know me and not my family.
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As a matter of fact, for the first three
to four months, I didn't even know his
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name. He would go by a completely
different name and only did I.
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I see a bracelet on his wrist one day,
and I questioned him on the name that
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said Frank C, when this is entirely
different from the name that he gave me.
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Yes, I went by Tony Iannotti.
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I kind of keep that in the background.
You know, not too many people know who
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family is until now.
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Five families have run New York's
Italian -American Mafia. The names are
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familiar. Bonanno, Gambino, Genovese,
Lucchese, and Columbo.
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Police in Brooklyn pulled a man's body
out of the water duct taped inside a
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tarp. Police say someone also tied a
cinder block to the victim's ankle.
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My name is Joe Colombo. I should be
treated the same as anybody else.
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Joe Colombo, real estate broker, mafia
boss, and one of the biggest con men in
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the history of organized crime.
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What was your reaction when you learned
that the shooting had occurred at the
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Colombo's? I just heard, like, shots,
about eight shots, and I didn't think
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were shots. I thought they were
firecrackers. His high profile caused
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bosses to okay his murder, the man some
called an underworld boss.
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My brother wasn't the normal, you know,
when you watch The Sopranos, you know,
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and he's the guy's talking to him, you
know, all about, hey, forget about it,
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and all this kind of nonsense.
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Forget about it. Forget about it. Now
forget about it.
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Forget about it.
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That's the movies.
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Now, did he do things like that?
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Absolutely.
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But he did it with humor.
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More like, I guess if you got Marlon
Brando and Joe Pesci and put them
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you'd probably end up with my brother.
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You know?
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That's pretty much it.
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Now that I think about this, if you got
Al Capone and Rodney Dangerfield and
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mashed them together, You got my
brother.
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I think that's a good analogy.
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The first time I met Jerry, we looked at
each other, and it was like the
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chemistry between us was crazy.
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Like, you know, cartoon, you know,
everything's like boom, boom.
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I was having a long -distance
relationship with a federal agent.
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who was not that fun.
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And Jury was fun, so I chose him.
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My father was military and strict, very
strict.
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So, yeah, they didn't go so well, but
thank you.
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I rebelled.
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We were married in Panama City, Florida.
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It wasn't as extravagant as you would
think because I was pregnant.
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So no Catholic wedding.
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My brother Jerry had his hand in a lot
of different avenues.
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He had some bookying things that he was
doing with bookies and what have you.
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He was in charge of security at the Taj
Mahal for a few years.
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That was the old Trump Taj Mahal.
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He would gamble, and he would win a lot.
I don't know if that was rigged as
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well, possibly.
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Everything's rigged in life. Nothing
anymore. Yeah.
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He was always looking at a way to make
some good, easy money.
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You know we had the little gray M &M as
well.
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Did you know that?
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Okay, I smoke a half a door in a night.
I need to relax.
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I need to put on something funny.
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And just let me chill.
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Well, when I would wake up in the middle
of the night, I had to have something
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sweet. So I had Reese's Cups down in the
kitchen, right?
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So he had to let me know there was a
gray M &M wrapped in aluminum foil.
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And he told me, don't touch it.
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The rules say if you find a gray
imposter M &M's, the winning bag could
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$1 million.
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And then...
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He says, you're also going to win a
publisher's clearinghouse.
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When they come to your door, knock.
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You have won a million dollars from
publisher's clearinghouse. I can't
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it. This is the truth.
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Real people really win the publisher's
clearinghouse sweepstakes.
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They're probably going to say, ah,
bullshit, you know, all that. But I'm
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telling you what my husband told me.
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Jerry wanted something big.
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00:30:45,390 --> 00:30:49,450
He kept threatening, you know, I'm going
to work for my uncles up in New York.
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You know, I'm like.
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00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,660
Well, you know what? I think it's time.
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You know, you can spend too much time
with somebody, and you don't play golf.
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And, I mean, the only golf club he had
was about this big, and that was, well.
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00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:13,380
So he went up north, and he got with
Uncle Dominic, who was the godfather.
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00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:19,380
So Uncle Dominic, was he an actual? No,
they call that out of respect.
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00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:22,760
He wasn't an actual uncle.
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00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:29,940
But he loved my husband because my
husband was old school, full -blooded
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Sicilian.
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He was hooking him up with everything.
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00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:38,560
My name's Jennifer Etheridge.
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Robin Colombo is my mother.
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00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,000
Jerry Colombo is my stepfather.
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You couldn't help not to like him. And
especially with, you know, his...
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career that he was into um it was
definitely intriguing at the time you
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would show me duffel bags of money and
whip it out here you go go buy you
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something nice you know and then i'd say
when i was about 15 16 years old that's
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when jerry got into the monopoly thing
and then that definitely you know it was
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that was a big deal he had promised me
um a million dollar ticket whenever i
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turned 18.
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because nobody could have the same last
name. And since my last name was
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Etheridge, you know, I was going to be
able to win a million -dollar ticket.
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00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,600
I was like, oh, heck yeah, absolutely.
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00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:34,600
Your brother, how did he get introduced
to this whole situation?
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00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:42,300
With the Monopoly situation, Uncle
Dominic worked for family members in the
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York division and a mutual friend of
his.
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00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:49,410
kind of said hey i got this guy that's
doing this and this might be interested
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00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:56,130
and so forth and so on and uh that was
jerome from simon marketing uh
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he was getting the tickets do you think
that uncle
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dominic has found jerry jacobson like
that this was something that uncle
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00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:15,030
dominic initiated i don't know it could
have been i think
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Jerome possibly started it on his own in
the beginning, and then people got wind
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of what he was doing, and then they
said, hey, let's see if we can use this
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an avenue to expand it.
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And I believe that was brought to my
brother's attention, like, hey, there's
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this guy, he's doing this, and let's see
if we can expand the horizon.
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00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:42,830
But then Jerry, my Jerry, received a
phone call that Uncle Dominic died.
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00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:44,990
How did that happen?
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00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,590
You know, you don't really talk about
that.
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00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:56,930
So anyway, my Jerry and Jerry Jacobson
became partners on the
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monopoly team.
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00:33:58,390 --> 00:33:59,410
To Jerry.
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00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:13,690
Working any case is like a big puzzle.
You start with a little piece.
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And you've got to try to vet whether
that is legitimate, whether it has any
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merit to it. The undercover portion with
Michael Hoover went beyond
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expectations.
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00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:30,980
We had Michael Hoover calling A .J.
Glum.
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00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:38,420
We suspected Glum was a recruiter, and
he probably didn't just recruit Hoover.
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00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:41,760
Is there a connection to Uncle Jerry?
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00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,020
And so we started looking into him and
then expanded into other phone lines.
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00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:53,739
We had coverage on many lines, including
Jerry Jacobson, A .J. Glum, and a
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number of the winners.
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00:34:54,980 --> 00:35:01,140
The spider web of all, like, we didn't
know how big this was. We had this Uncle
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Jerry. Everything was very general,
nebulous.
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So inside the wire room, people sitting
there getting ready to listen, and
458
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,880
nothing happens.
459
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,040
You put all this effort into it, and
nothing happens.
460
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,700
You're spending your weekend doing that.
461
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:22,600
Unfortunately, in these conversations on
the wire, the winners mostly had
462
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,560
innocuous conversations that have
nothing to do with the crime.
463
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:33,540
So we start coming up with, all right,
how do we get past winners to recount
464
00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:36,040
how they allegedly won these pieces?
465
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:37,500
I said, look.
466
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:38,879
We can do this.
467
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,060
Why don't we bring all these past
winners to Vegas? I just did Vegas.
468
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:45,060
I said.
469
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,520
I don't know why I picked Vegas.
Probably because it's the fun meter
470
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:53,800
which is the immediate no, you know.
471
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,620
But I said, hey, hear me out.
472
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Let's do a reunion of all these past
winners.
473
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,700
Let's bring all these people together.
Tell us.
474
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,880
Because we didn't know their stories.
Tell us.
475
00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:10,030
how they won these and what they did
with it, that kind of thing. Because,
476
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:13,710
know, McDonald's has big pockets. They
get some all -expenses -paid trips to
477
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:17,070
Vegas, balloons falling in the confetti,
and they love that shit.
478
00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:20,150
And, you know, the questions were,
Matthews, where are you going to do
479
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:21,510
Embassy Suites.
480
00:36:21,790 --> 00:36:26,450
Take the whole floor, rope everything
off, right? Just in case stupid shows up
481
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:30,090
and you have them all lined up in these
rooms and just arrest them all at the
482
00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:31,090
same time, right?
483
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:32,410
Great thing.
484
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:34,190
No.
485
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,800
No way in hell.
486
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:37,860
No, Doug.
487
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:41,660
How much is that going to cost us?
488
00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:46,760
We did have some budgets to deal with. I
can't remember what it was. It was
489
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,420
like, get him out of here, whatever it
was.
490
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,980
I can't believe you said that.
491
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,440
Doug is one of the hardest working
agents I've ever met in my life.
492
00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:56,660
Very creative.
493
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,260
He'll do anything. He'll try anything.
494
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,260
And he can talk forever.
495
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,340
He is relentless.
496
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:13,500
This idea of, quote -unquote, hosting a
reunion of past winners in Las Vegas
497
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:19,100
seemed so outlandish up front. And then
we realized, wait a minute, if you're
498
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:23,420
not going to follow through with it, you
can promise some pretty elaborate
499
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:28,360
things. Everybody likes to go to Vegas.
So in preparation for that wonderful
500
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,700
conference that we were going to have,
all expense paid.
501
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:35,820
We could contact these winners, go out
and film them to capture their so
502
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,980
story, and then the carrot was you get
this trip to Vegas.
503
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:45,020
Rick was freaked out about it, but I
wasn't. Remember, I'm the guy that's
504
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,020
I know this is going to work because I
know it is, right? It's all shamrock,
505
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160
baby, shamrock.
506
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:59,700
I was the direct contact with the
winners, so I could legitimize all of
507
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:00,700
information.
508
00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:06,050
It was all recorded, and, you know, it
was 17 years ago, so it was a big tape
509
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:10,550
recorder that I carried around in a
black McDonald's briefcase. I even
510
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:14,330
it to my friend's wedding in Jackson
Hole because, you know, I had to be able
511
00:38:14,330 --> 00:38:19,090
tape the calls whenever they came. If,
like, I had to flip the tape, I'd be
512
00:38:19,090 --> 00:38:22,430
like, can I put you on hold for a
second? You know, and then I'd flip the
513
00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:24,330
and then put them back on.
514
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:28,110
Amy would call him up.
515
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:34,140
and say, hey, look, we're putting
together this media release of previous
516
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:38,980
winners, how they won it, what they did
with it, some of their story that hasn't
517
00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:40,280
been really told.
518
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:45,780
We'll come to you, or you can come to
us, wherever we were going to do it,
519
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,080
whatever hotel that you want.
520
00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:49,460
Nobody said no to that.
521
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,600
Most everybody was like, tell me when
we're going to Vegas.
522
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,720
Obviously, we were not going to do a
reunion, but to the winners, we told
523
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:03,660
we're planning this big reunion, and we
started to get them actually excited to
524
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:04,760
be going to Las Vegas.
525
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:09,460
That was kind of fundamental that it was
a bit of a ruse. We didn't make
526
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:11,000
reservations in Las Vegas.
527
00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:14,370
I think the pitch was, you know, we're
going to put your story up on the big
528
00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:17,870
screen and, you know, over a dinner and
everybody's going to clap. And are you
529
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:20,610
interested in the reunion of winners?
And of course they are.
530
00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:27,270
Well, locking them into a story on
camera takes a B minus case and makes
531
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:28,970
know, an A plus case.
532
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,080
My name is Doug Astrologa. I'm an FBI
agent, and I was the lighting guy for
533
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,420
Shamrock production in the McDonald's
case.
534
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,740
Oh, so this is a little, yeah, I
remember this.
535
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:11,820
Doug Astrologa was a relatively young
agent, you know, real,
536
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:17,980
real enthusiastic, charismatic guy. When
I came out of Quantico, I wanted to do
537
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:18,980
something exciting.
538
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:24,260
Originally, I had stuck him with the
admin agent on this Title III, which is,
539
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:29,960
all the jobs, probably the most
thankless. I mean, it really is a brutal
540
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,880
but there's a reward process that
happens.
541
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,500
So in Doug's case, we let him work on
the undercover with Doug Matthews, the
542
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,320
quote -unquote lighting guy.
543
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:45,600
I had no idea what I was doing. I was
just using this light meter and pressing
544
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,260
something on this going, it's great.
545
00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:54,330
I still have no idea how to use one of
these, actually. But I do believe we
546
00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:55,330
more lighting over here.
547
00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:00,670
Really, the point was to engage them in
conversations.
548
00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:05,810
That had to reconcile with what they had
originally stated for McDonald's to win
549
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:06,488
the prize.
550
00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:12,370
We recorded these interviews with them
so the FBI could then match the
551
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:17,170
match the facts, what they originally
told McDonald's, what they're telling us
552
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:18,170
on camera.
553
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:20,790
what the FBI sort of already knew.
554
00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:26,390
So that once we had the evidence showing
that, you know you didn't win this
555
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:31,230
legitimately, you've lied to the FBI,
and here's the evidence to prove it,
556
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:33,350
would be more willing to cooperate.
557
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:37,770
Can you explain the difference between
the Chapman and what the FBI did?
558
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:45,290
The FBI was merely, when the FBI took a
film crew to a winner,
559
00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:46,850
that winner...
560
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:53,990
had already contacted Simon Marketing,
hence McDonald's, claiming to have been
561
00:41:53,990 --> 00:42:00,850
winner. They're already saying, I did
this, and this is how I obtained
562
00:42:00,850 --> 00:42:01,850
this game piece.
563
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:06,650
An individual could never claim that's
entrapment because...
564
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,630
They did it before the law enforcement
was involved.
565
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:18,090
Entrapment is to have law enforcement
put the idea into the person's head and
566
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:21,150
get them to do something they otherwise
wouldn't have done.
567
00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:28,490
We weren't saying, say this, say that,
and say that. We were saying, how, what,
568
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:30,670
where, who.
569
00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:35,410
Those are just opportunities for him to
fill in the blanks.
570
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,660
and tell us what he wants to tell.
571
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:42,020
Remember, just keep looking at me. And
if you mess up or you feel like you want
572
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,660
to say it again, we can start all over
again.
573
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,340
I hand gesture sometimes it gets in
there, so I'll make sure I don't do
574
00:42:50,540 --> 00:42:56,700
Okay, why don't we go back to that day
that you won in New Hampshire, and can
575
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,340
you just sort of describe the day for
us, what you were doing in the morning
576
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:04,360
at work and then? It was a summer day.
577
00:43:07,009 --> 00:43:09,770
I wasn't working. It was Sunday, as a
matter of fact.
578
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:19,790
And there wasn't a whole lot of work to
do. So, you know, browsing through
579
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:22,670
the Sunday paper, as I am wont to do.
580
00:43:22,930 --> 00:43:27,210
He was fumbling through it, trying to
figure out how he won that particular
581
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:32,730
piece. In reality, a life experience
like that is...
582
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:37,010
drilled into your memory forever and
ever. Nobody wins a million dollars on a
583
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:38,010
regular basis.
584
00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:44,990
I found the insert and I
585
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:51,710
found the little tear -off tab and I
586
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:54,790
got cold, very cold.
587
00:43:55,050 --> 00:43:57,470
He was sweating so bad.
588
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,130
Like, I know at some point Amy
589
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:06,840
even said to me, every time you ask him
a question, it's like I've got to get
590
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,260
the towel to dot his head.
591
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:15,700
It was pouring out because he was lying
about everything.
592
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,860
Well, suffice it to say, I just got cold
all over.
593
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:22,800
And then did you go to the McDonald's to
say that you had won, or how did it
594
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,060
work? No, first, I wasn't so sure about
it.
595
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:28,680
I went to a lawyer.
596
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,240
I did. You know, you need to protect
yourself.
597
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,480
Do you remember who that was?
598
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:35,720
No, I don't.
599
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,860
Was the lawyer in Litchfield?
600
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:45,400
No, it was over in... You
601
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,140
could zoom in, because we did, zoom in
on his forehead, and you could just see
602
00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:51,280
the sweat.
603
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,280
You want to take a little sip of water?
604
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:56,500
Yes.
605
00:44:58,690 --> 00:45:03,450
I'm kind of paying attention to that a
little bit. I'm leaking.
606
00:45:03,970 --> 00:45:10,090
You know, and I'd say stuff like, hey,
so nobody, like, called you up and said,
607
00:45:10,270 --> 00:45:14,990
hey, we need you to be a winner or
whatever. And he'd go, God, no, I'd
608
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:17,870
that. And it just pours. The sweat would
pour.
609
00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:24,730
I went to a lawyer, and he advised me
to, at all costs,
610
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,500
Protect my identity.
611
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:31,940
It just seemed odd to me that many of
the people I talked to did not want to
612
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:36,360
come forward, and they seemed to have
knowledge about what their legal rights
613
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,720
were about being anonymous or not.
614
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,960
Who is Buddy Fisher?
615
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:49,020
Buddy Fisher was the father of Robin
Colombo, who was married
616
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:50,340
to Jerry Colombo.
617
00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:59,210
I'll never forget it. I was upstairs in
my bedroom, and my father called me.
618
00:45:59,830 --> 00:46:04,950
And there wasn't many words exchanged.
He just said, I want the big one. So I
619
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:05,950
knew what it meant.
620
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:13,030
He did get one of the million -dollar
tickets, and he had never broken
621
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:15,530
a law in his entire life.
622
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:22,450
One stipulation that my grandfather
made, he says, okay, if I get this
623
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:29,810
I'm not doing a commercial, but I
remember we would be getting phone
624
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:34,750
and they would talk to my grandfather
and say, hey, we're trying to get all of
625
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:40,610
the Monopoly winners together for some
kind of reunion or something like that.
626
00:46:40,610 --> 00:46:43,530
want to say it was Vegas, so he didn't
make that trip.
627
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:48,650
Now, had your wife or anyone in your
whole family ever won anything like that
628
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:49,488
before? No.
629
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:50,490
Never? Nothing.
630
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,960
So this was big.
631
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Huge.
632
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:56,100
So you're the luckiest one in your
family, huh?
633
00:46:56,380 --> 00:47:01,480
Yes. Yes. So have any of your kids or
grandkids played Monopoly or tried to
634
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,880
or anything like that? Yes, and we still
do. Oh, good. And we still do, yes.
635
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,500
Have any of them won any cars?
636
00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:08,060
No.
637
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,880
I think I won a cheeseburger.
638
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:18,320
Would it surprise you to know that she
actually did do an interview to possibly
639
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,580
use at that reunion?
640
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:23,790
You said he did do one? I did not know
that.
641
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:28,330
Oh. Okay, yeah, I did not know that.
642
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:31,310
Hmm. Okay.
643
00:47:32,290 --> 00:47:33,290
Wow.
644
00:47:34,510 --> 00:47:35,510
Is that around?
645
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:43,350
You know, the greed was crazy here,
which is great for us.
646
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:56,460
One night, Jerry and I were out with our
wives to dinner, and we went to the
647
00:47:56,460 --> 00:48:00,680
men's room together. That sounds
horrible, but we went to the men's room
648
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,360
together, and Jerry gave me a million
-dollar ticket.
649
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:11,020
And I told him, I don't want to be
involved. I really don't. I had not
650
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:13,580
anything but a $25 ,000 ticket.
651
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:16,060
I told him I didn't need the million
dollars.
652
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:20,340
I told him I was out of it. I said,
Jerry, you know what? I don't know what
653
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:23,280
did with these guys, how much you made
or anything else.
654
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,440
There's a time and there's a place.
655
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:27,580
Stop and everything else.
656
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,260
He said, well, just do something with
the ticket.
657
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,280
So I took the ticket and I flushed it
down the toilet.
658
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:41,160
And what was his reaction when you
flushed it down the toilet in front of
659
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,560
None. Zero.
660
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:46,820
He didn't have any reaction to you
flushing a million dollars down the
661
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:48,600
I didn't either. How's that?
662
00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:54,120
Yeah, how's that? I didn't either. No.
663
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,180
I knew I was doing the right thing.
664
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,860
And Jerry had told me it was over and
that was it.
665
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,920
I'm telling you, the night I flushed
that ticket down the toilet, I thought
666
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,920
was over.
667
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:12,940
I thought it was over.
668
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:17,740
I swear to you, on everything holy, I
thought it was over.
669
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:30,480
If I even suspected he was taking
tickets, I would have told on him in a
670
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,940
heartbeat. And he knew it. I think
that's why I didn't know it. I bet
671
00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:35,940
I didn't get a ticket.
672
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,880
After Jerry got sick with this John Bray
syndrome, there was something different
673
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,880
in him.
674
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:54,000
Even though he was well on the road to
mending, he could have repercussions
675
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,520
later on being crippled or bedridden or
dead.
676
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,600
So he had nothing to lose at that point.
677
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,500
My husband, Jerry, we got a lot of my
family members involved.
678
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,280
And that isn't all.
679
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:15,680
My family members that won, that was
just a little piece of the pie.
680
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,280
You had Al Capone with the prohibition.
681
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:29,260
You had Mike Frente with the gas.
682
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,840
And then now you have this, the
Monopoly.
683
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,920
That's really the highest three money
makers of the mob so far.
684
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,820
My husband picked the winners. He had
tickets.
685
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,840
He flew everywhere.
686
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:56,840
I think Uncle Jerry even may have got a
little jealous.
687
00:50:57,450 --> 00:51:01,590
So can you spell that out? Because
Jerry, Jerry, it's kind of... Uncle
688
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Jerome Jacobson.
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And Jerry is my husband, Jerry Colombo.
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Jacobson became Uncle Jerry because
that's an Italian thing.
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My husband gave him up out of respect.
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If your general opinion of mankind is
running kind of low this holiday season,
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here's a story that might make you feel
much, much better about the human race.
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St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in
Memphis has received a very unusual
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gift.
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Do you remember who gave that funny
piece away? The St. Jude Children's
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Hospital? Yeah.
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That's Uncle Jerry.
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Hospital officials are calling this a
gift from an angel in the true spirit of
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the season.
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This is a happy day. Woo -hoo!
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If you're out there and you hear me, we
love you.
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My brother took this little small
operation and made it huge.
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Literally, it was a monopoly of scams.
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The winners, they would just lie, lie,
lie.
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We keep pushing. You never know when
you're going to hit a wall.
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There was things that nobody knew, and I
just kept it all to myself.
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I thought, I'm never going to get out of
this.
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I was out of panic.
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I had no other option but to take this
process through.
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The money got too big.
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With that comes the price.
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