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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:34,360 If you were around back in the 90s, 2 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,500 you heard it everywhere. 3 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:46,140 The game Monopoly is back at McDonald's, bigger and better than ever. This year, 4 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,700 there's more prizes than ever. 5 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,460 McDonald ran the Monopoly game. 6 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:52,769 For years. 7 00:00:52,770 --> 00:00:55,810 Hey, collect the right game pieces and win two million dollars. 8 00:00:56,450 --> 00:01:01,510 But no one knew the truth about the game being played. 9 00:01:03,570 --> 00:01:04,569 No one. 10 00:01:09,610 --> 00:01:11,850 People everywhere are winning me. 11 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:24,220 The McDonald's prizes could be cars, boats, $100 ,000, up to the million 12 00:01:24,220 --> 00:01:25,220 dollars. 13 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:35,620 But from 1989 to 2001, there were almost no 14 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:40,800 legitimate winners of the high -value game pieces in the McDonald's Monopoly 15 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,800 game. 16 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,560 I mean, how crazy bullshit is that? 17 00:01:48,990 --> 00:01:49,990 It's me. 18 00:03:03,810 --> 00:03:09,430 Jacksonville FBI had a little bit of a reputation of being a sleepy hollow 19 00:03:09,430 --> 00:03:10,430 retirement office. 20 00:03:11,010 --> 00:03:17,930 There was a slower attitude there, very undersized, a fraction of a 21 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:22,230 Miami or an Atlanta or something like that spread very thin. 22 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:35,790 At the time, in 2001, I supervised a squad of approximately 12 agents charged 23 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:40,610 with investigating white -collar crime, bank fraud, health care fraud, public 24 00:03:40,610 --> 00:03:41,610 corruption. 25 00:03:42,250 --> 00:03:47,070 Even before I got there, I kept hearing about this legendary guy, Rick Dent, mid 26 00:03:47,070 --> 00:03:51,970 -career senior agent, and his partner, Doug Matthews, a newly assigned agent to 27 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:52,849 the division. 28 00:03:52,850 --> 00:03:57,410 I'm Special Agent Matthews. When you pull Jacksonville as an officer going 29 00:03:57,410 --> 00:03:59,270 know what I heard was, good luck with that. 30 00:03:59,610 --> 00:04:04,830 For big cases, man, you're like duct taping stuff together just because you 31 00:04:04,830 --> 00:04:05,830 to make it happen. 32 00:04:05,950 --> 00:04:07,990 That's the type of division you were in. 33 00:04:09,010 --> 00:04:14,650 I was lucky to link up with Rick Dent early on and have him as the old guard, 34 00:04:14,810 --> 00:04:16,430 you know, my training agent. 35 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:22,490 He's a mathematician and has about as much personality as this piece of wood 36 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:23,490 right here. 37 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:27,510 Very matter of fact. And so he and I were kind of opposites there. 38 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,960 You know, I'm always looking for another fun ride, right? 39 00:04:30,580 --> 00:04:34,020 If you guys get to Rick Dent, I'm telling you, he's going to be yes. 40 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:35,960 No. 41 00:04:36,820 --> 00:04:37,820 Don't recall. 42 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,660 The priority for the FBI at that particular juncture was health care 43 00:04:57,770 --> 00:05:00,190 We're working a one - to three -year type case. 44 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:02,870 That's a long time. 45 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:07,850 Sometimes I have that ADD thing, the shinier object or whatever. 46 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:14,370 So I see this note in the corner part of his desk, and all I saw was McDonald's 47 00:05:14,370 --> 00:05:18,950 Monopoly fraud with a question mark. And I go, what is that? 48 00:05:20,990 --> 00:05:24,090 Because I'm bored to death with this health care garbage, right? 49 00:05:24,510 --> 00:05:26,110 It's important, but... 50 00:05:26,350 --> 00:05:29,970 I was ready to move on. I go, is this the McDonald's Monopoly game? 51 00:05:30,410 --> 00:05:31,830 He was like, yeah. 52 00:05:32,490 --> 00:05:34,130 Eventually I was going to get around to it. 53 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:41,590 So what he told me was that there was an individual who had called in and had 54 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:44,870 this story that the Monopoly game was fixed. 55 00:05:46,990 --> 00:05:48,710 That was pretty much it. 56 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:52,050 I go, give me that damn thing. I'm going to go check this out. 57 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,960 I'm seeing the fun meter with that. Like, that's got to be more fun than 58 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:56,960 shit that I'm looking at. 59 00:05:58,820 --> 00:06:01,440 Dad thought it was just some BS story. 60 00:06:02,660 --> 00:06:06,820 So, yeah, here, run with this for a little bit, young man. 61 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:14,960 I contacted the source of this call, and the source gave me 62 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:20,100 three names that were previous million -dollar winners. 63 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:25,230 and said, I know this is fixed because these people are related. They're on the 64 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:27,770 family tree somehow with all different names. 65 00:06:28,190 --> 00:06:34,910 And the person who's controlling this is this nebulous name of Uncle Jerry. 66 00:06:38,010 --> 00:06:42,390 So I come back, like I'm excited, right? I got the biggest case ever, right? And 67 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:43,390 I said, look. 68 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:44,750 All million -dollar winners. 69 00:06:45,010 --> 00:06:48,070 We need to be on this. Screw that health care. I think I probably said that. 70 00:06:48,130 --> 00:06:50,390 Screw that health care shit we're working, right, or something like that. 71 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:54,490 Rick, I don't know if that was it, or I know you would never agree with that. 72 00:06:54,850 --> 00:06:59,830 But like any senior agent goes, and this happens even in today's bureau, the new 73 00:06:59,830 --> 00:07:05,630 young guy goes out and finds a nice piece of gold. The old agent goes, give 74 00:07:05,630 --> 00:07:08,970 that back and let me look at this. And that's about how it was. 75 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:14,000 Truth be told, I was a little skeptical. 76 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:18,700 You know, fast food, promotional game fraud was not making any list of 77 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:19,840 priorities anywhere. 78 00:07:20,060 --> 00:07:22,680 I don't think anybody had really even seen anything like this before. 79 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:28,680 So there's always a risk that I turn these guys loose on this and turns out 80 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,420 not true and that I've expended resources. 81 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,720 But, you know, I think we all realized if this is true, this is, you know, this 82 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:37,720 is big. 83 00:07:37,940 --> 00:07:41,140 What Rick did was immediately get in touch. 84 00:07:41,550 --> 00:07:46,410 with the U .S. Attorney's Office and Mark Devereaux, because if you don't 85 00:07:46,410 --> 00:07:48,430 an interest from a prosecutor, you're wasting your time. 86 00:07:56,430 --> 00:08:01,150 Devereaux was the go -to guy that prosecuted all of our white -collar 87 00:08:01,890 --> 00:08:05,930 If there's a chance this thing can be indicted and prosecuted, even if it's a 88 00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:09,750 difficult case, he's going to be the guy to do it, because he's the guy behind 89 00:08:09,750 --> 00:08:10,750 the wheel. 90 00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:19,130 That part of the cell, to get that prosecutor on, that was a big deal. 91 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:24,730 I don't even know if Devereaux knew what Monopoly game was. I have no idea. 92 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:27,870 You know, I think he was a Burger King guy. I don't know. 93 00:08:37,409 --> 00:08:42,230 My name's Mark Devereaux, assistant U .S. attorney for almost 30 years. 94 00:08:42,890 --> 00:08:47,570 In this case, it was, you know, I don't know if this is real or I don't know if 95 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:52,350 it's just somebody trying to get family members somehow interviewed and get them 96 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:53,350 in trouble. 97 00:08:54,590 --> 00:09:01,590 But lo and behold, when we received a list of all 98 00:09:01,590 --> 00:09:07,950 the winners, we were able to show to different databases that these 99 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:08,950 were related. 100 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:10,870 They had family connections. 101 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:16,700 In the local Jacksonville area, in my world, you don't believe in coincidences 102 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:23,300 very much, and the chance of having numerous family members and relatives 103 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:25,880 win the game was just astronomical. 104 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Basically, you've got less of a chance than you do of getting struck by 105 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,580 lightning in Florida. 106 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:46,710 At that point in time, we knew there was a problem. How big was that problem? 107 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:48,150 We had no idea. 108 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:52,850 The information that we were compiling is that their contest had been infected 109 00:09:52,850 --> 00:09:56,670 years before we became aware. 110 00:09:57,010 --> 00:10:01,730 I mean, we're talking, you know, altogether, potentially hundreds of 111 00:10:01,730 --> 00:10:05,410 dollars of these prizes. Well, how much of that is fraud? 112 00:10:07,950 --> 00:10:09,470 Once Devereux said, yeah. 113 00:10:09,950 --> 00:10:15,170 I'm interested in this. He's on for everything, all the strategy sessions. 114 00:10:16,570 --> 00:10:19,550 Some prosecutors, you see that space, you know. 115 00:10:19,870 --> 00:10:21,750 Devereaux, you got no space. 116 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:23,950 Right all up in there with you. 117 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:32,730 So we start with where could there be the opportunity to steal the game piece? 118 00:10:34,430 --> 00:10:40,600 We weren't sure if there was somebody inside with McDonald's. where that 119 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,980 was, how many, and how far that went. 120 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:51,000 How many suspects do we have? We have to figure out who makes the cups, who 121 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,280 makes the fry box, who makes these game pieces that you would pull off. How many 122 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,060 people are in this chain? 123 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:01,040 There's all kinds of possibilities. 124 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,540 This could be the driver, the delivery people, people in the factory, or even 125 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:08,820 somebody in corporate at McDonald's. 126 00:11:10,829 --> 00:11:12,990 We didn't close out anyone. 127 00:11:17,470 --> 00:11:23,250 So there reached a point where there was a ton of questions, but it was, I mean, 128 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:29,550 very difficult to pursue that further without putting some action to it. There 129 00:11:29,550 --> 00:11:32,950 wasn't a lot of like, let me just, you know, at the time, get on the Internet 130 00:11:32,950 --> 00:11:34,270 and do something. There wasn't a lot of that. 131 00:11:37,150 --> 00:11:38,150 We clearly. 132 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:44,720 I had to start somewhere, but without compromising the case. 133 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,400 So we needed a source of information on the inside. 134 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,020 There was a big decision to be made, and that was, do we contact McDonald's? 135 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,760 Because we just ran into a dead end. 136 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:04,260 I would sit back going, don't let them know. I don't want them involved yet. 137 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:05,260 too soon. 138 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:06,580 But that's me. 139 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,100 And that was just one little tiny voice, and I mean tiny when I say that. 140 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:17,800 Of course there's a possibility that somebody in McDonald's is involved or 141 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,020 about this and is looking the other way, but that was a risk we were ultimately 142 00:12:22,020 --> 00:12:24,360 willing to take. 143 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,940 We didn't want to alert too many people at McDonald's, 144 00:12:36,380 --> 00:12:42,920 We contacted their head of global security, Rob Palm, and told him that it 145 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,700 probably be best for you to come to Jacksonville. 146 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,160 Didn't tell him why. 147 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,720 Just told him, you have to come and see us. 148 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:54,200 That this was need -to -know only. 149 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:58,040 Do not tell anybody you're coming to see the FBI. 150 00:12:58,660 --> 00:12:59,940 To keep it quiet. 151 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,160 McDonald sent three people. 152 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,160 And I personally picked them up here in Jacksonville. 153 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,740 We drove over to the FBI office in the morning. 154 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,060 Mostly it was just, welcome to Jacksonville, this and that. 155 00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:19,280 Didn't even explain to them what we had. 156 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,240 We got to the FBI office. 157 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,900 Took them up to the conference room. 158 00:13:34,540 --> 00:13:38,660 You know, you're evaluating their body language or whether they're twitching. 159 00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:43,180 Are they genuine? Are they legitimate? Or is there something else going on 160 00:13:43,340 --> 00:13:47,780 At that point, we did not know if McDonald's was involved. 161 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:51,740 Every organization can have a bad apple. 162 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,020 This part of the investigation was extremely boring to me. 163 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,300 Like, I don't want anything to do with this. 164 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:03,000 Call me when it's over, Rick, right? 165 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,040 Which was sort of my MO a lot of times. It's way too slow for me. 166 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:10,060 But I was, no, you've got to be here for that. 167 00:14:10,340 --> 00:14:12,880 And so I think I showed up. I might have had a gold suit on. 168 00:14:17,820 --> 00:14:21,640 I had it in the closet, and I thought, this is a great opportunity. This is 169 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,400 a golden fry suit, right? 170 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,300 Man, when I wore that in there, Mark Devereaux, if he could have ripped it 171 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:31,060 with his hands, he would. He goes, are you kidding me? But I had a white shirt 172 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:33,080 on, right? So I thought I was safe. 173 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:34,780 I wasn't. 174 00:14:36,340 --> 00:14:38,900 Doug has quite a wardrobe. 175 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,120 And there he is sitting there. And lo and behold, he looks like he's a manager 176 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,620 of a McDonald's. 177 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,200 They thought it was cool. 178 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:52,300 I'm kidding. 179 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,880 So when you're there in that meeting, very tense. 180 00:14:56,260 --> 00:15:00,720 I went up to a whiteboard and started putting names down. 181 00:15:03,980 --> 00:15:07,440 And I asked, do you recognize the names? 182 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:10,540 No, sir. 183 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,660 All these people are winners on your promotional games. 184 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:24,520 And then I started drawing lines of... family connections and relationships. 185 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:29,720 Devereux's putting it right on the whiteboard there. What did you know 186 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,519 know this. 187 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,740 Brothers, sisters, cousins, mother, daughter, that type thing. 188 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,180 This person is married to this person's daughter. 189 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,640 And the names, the last names were all different. 190 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:46,680 And I remember it was literally jaws on the table. 191 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,620 They just could not believe it. 192 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,860 Even though we... 193 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,560 had it look like our corporate victim here of McDonald's, are they truly a 194 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,820 victim? I mean, there's always that. 195 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,200 And so there was more information there that I would have probably put out 196 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,780 there. Certainly enough for them to be, wow, we have an issue. 197 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,440 Everybody agreed that we needed to keep this circle of individuals that had this 198 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,160 knowledge to the absolute minimum. 199 00:16:20,170 --> 00:16:25,190 You know, Debra was doing most of the talking, as he usually does, and it just 200 00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:27,910 seemed like this meeting just took forever. 201 00:16:28,190 --> 00:16:31,670 I don't even know if I was hungry. I might have been hungry twice in that 202 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:32,670 meeting. 203 00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:39,750 Proving this case historically, which is what we traditionally did in white 204 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:43,150 collar cases, where you rely on paperwork, you rely on witness 205 00:16:43,150 --> 00:16:46,510 rely on bank statements, was going to be very difficult. 206 00:16:46,850 --> 00:16:47,850 I mean... 207 00:16:48,010 --> 00:16:49,410 almost monumental. 208 00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:53,250 So we would, in this case, have to think outside the box. 209 00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:57,850 And then we find out that they were on the cusp of running another game. 210 00:16:58,850 --> 00:17:03,630 It was kind of a perfect fit because we were looking to doing something 211 00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:06,710 proactively to essentially catch people in the act. 212 00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:13,910 We told them the only way to identify this criminal enterprise 213 00:17:13,910 --> 00:17:16,910 was to have them run a game. 214 00:17:17,339 --> 00:17:20,540 knowing that there is fraud somewhere involved in this. 215 00:17:23,220 --> 00:17:29,280 We have this. We're going forward. We want your help. If the answer is no, 216 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,300 nothing happens. 217 00:17:48,750 --> 00:17:52,490 My name is Rob Holm, Director of Global Security for McDonald's. 218 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,430 Our brand is throughout the world. 219 00:17:58,250 --> 00:18:01,670 37 ,000 restaurants in 120 countries. 220 00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:03,870 So it's a big responsibility. 221 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:13,810 When I first learned about our Monopoly game being compromised, I was shocked. 222 00:18:14,050 --> 00:18:15,510 I was utterly shocked. 223 00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:18,010 How in the world could this have happened? 224 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,780 More importantly, was anybody from McDonald's a part of this? 225 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:29,340 The FBI wanted to run the promotion knowing that it was rigged. 226 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:32,200 I was hesitant to do that. 227 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Obviously concerned that if this game is rigged, customers are not even going to 228 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,240 get a chance to win the million dollars. 229 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:45,380 I think we were naive to think that they would agree right then and there and 230 00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:47,060 we'd be off to, you know. 231 00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:53,830 off and running these promotions were of everything mcdonald's one of the bright 232 00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:58,670 spots you know i remember the mad cow and at that time mcdonald's was you know 233 00:18:58,670 --> 00:19:02,910 struggling with some image things concern over britain's so -called mad 234 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:07,890 disease spread late today to mcdonald's restaurants first mad cow now this 235 00:19:07,890 --> 00:19:14,840 mcdonald's and you mcdonald's and you sharing The 236 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,080 most important thing for McDonald's is their brand name. They're a family 237 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,920 restaurant that can be trusted. 238 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,760 Their golden arches are part of America. 239 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:32,000 They have to 240 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000 protect that. 241 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:40,840 And so if it's on the 6 o 'clock news and the national news. 242 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:47,300 that McDonald's games are a fraud. They could suffer irreparable damage to their 243 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:48,300 good name. 244 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:54,420 I wasn't in their meetings, but I would bet dollars to donuts that there were a 245 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:59,440 few people that said, we can't do this, shut it off, and nobody ever finds out 246 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,440 about this. 247 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:02,620 They wanted this big meeting. 248 00:20:02,820 --> 00:20:07,640 And so we went out there to Illinois at their headquarters. They got, like, 249 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,640 great coffee. 250 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,700 Inside, when you walk in their place and you're waiting on them. 251 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,080 I mean, anyway, I know that's a side. 252 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:24,140 At that time, we weren't sure which way they were going to go. That was a heck 253 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:25,140 of a decision. 254 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:28,560 There were so many what ifs. 255 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:35,560 What if it's somebody within our own company, a traitor? We've got a problem. 256 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:39,280 They needed to find that out. 257 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:42,510 Because if they had just shut down, it may have continued. 258 00:20:43,470 --> 00:20:46,130 Look how many people have been playing that thing, and they're going to find 259 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:47,570 we didn't help burn this down? 260 00:20:48,550 --> 00:20:50,710 McDonald's knew they had a ticking bomb. 261 00:20:57,230 --> 00:21:01,110 Making that call was something that we took seriously. 262 00:21:01,530 --> 00:21:06,370 Our worry all along was that this could be leaked out publicly. 263 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:12,600 So it was not an easy decision, but ultimately we owed it to our customers 264 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,740 the right thing, which is to run the game one more time. 265 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:23,300 We absolutely knew that if we didn't get this right, we're not getting another 266 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:27,560 opportunity. It's not like, don't worry, we'll run this again next month. We 267 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,960 knew that at best we had this one shot to move our investigation. 268 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:40,540 From that point, it was literally McDonald's. Tell us how this program 269 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,640 But McDonald's makes French fries and hamburgers and milkshakes and apple 270 00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:52,400 They don't make marketing. They outsourced it. They hired a marketing 271 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:53,580 Diamond Marketing. 272 00:21:55,810 --> 00:21:59,610 Simon Marketing actually produced and came up with the Happy Meal toys back in 273 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:03,630 the 80s. Your kids will love McDonald's Happy Meal. It's food and fun in a box. 274 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:06,550 The Happy Meal is going to increase your business, but it's for the children. 275 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:10,490 I've got a Happy Meal. They wanted a promotion for the adult. 276 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:16,410 I'm Richard White. I started at Simon Marketing in 1981. 277 00:22:17,290 --> 00:22:23,090 The game Monopoly has come to life at McDonald's. The Monopoly game, we 278 00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:28,190 that game, and it was running once a year. A $2 million grand prize. 279 00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:29,770 Play Monopoly. 280 00:22:30,030 --> 00:22:34,830 It was a ridiculous amount of increase in McDonald's business, like 40 % when 281 00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:37,130 ran the game. People loved collecting. 282 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:42,950 The Monopoly promotion is much like the Monopoly game you would have at home. 283 00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:46,610 Customers try to match game pieces, like a boardwalk. 284 00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:47,749 and Park Place. 285 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:52,270 They had their cards, and it'd be full, but they'd be missing the piece, the 286 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:55,410 piece, the piece, the piece, the piece, because those were the winning pieces. 287 00:22:55,690 --> 00:23:00,050 There was low -value pieces that you could win, food items, beverages, and 288 00:23:00,050 --> 00:23:03,350 some of the high -value pieces, homes, vehicles, and the million dollars. 289 00:23:04,830 --> 00:23:10,850 So they were after that million -dollar winner. People like chance games. 290 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:15,750 Any game we did for McDonald's always increased their business. We actually 291 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:19,370 Scrabble one year. Got to where they started doing it twice a year. 292 00:23:19,650 --> 00:23:21,450 How are we going to get our sales back up? 293 00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:23,030 Let's run Monopoly again. 294 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:32,450 There were very specific rules for how you could obtain the game piece. 295 00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:38,450 One of the ways was that you could just walk in and ask for free to get a game 296 00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:40,890 piece. because otherwise it was gambling. 297 00:23:41,130 --> 00:23:43,090 How else can you get the game piece? 298 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:48,210 You could go in and buy a food product, and you could get the game piece out of 299 00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:49,210 some of the magazines. 300 00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:55,610 Nowhere in the game rules does it say, I can get a game piece from Uncle Jerry. 301 00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:07,970 With a significant case, an undercover operation, or something that involves a 302 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:11,990 lot of people, you could give it a name. So we had a contest to come up with a 303 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:13,430 name among the squad. 304 00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:18,830 Some of the names, Operation Unhappy Meal, Ball and Arches. 305 00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:22,850 I think there were a few playing on the Hamburglar, something about stale fries. 306 00:24:23,610 --> 00:24:27,170 I don't think we sent that one up to headquarters for approval. I think 307 00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:29,110 more rational minds prevailed. 308 00:24:29,370 --> 00:24:33,210 The new promotional game was called Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? to match up 309 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:39,490 with the TV show. If you remember the TV show, they asked, is that your final 310 00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:43,650 answer? Final answer? Final answer. So that ultimately became the name of this 311 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:44,650 operation. 312 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:50,270 Game time. Kickoff has started. We're in the game. 313 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:03,140 At the time, I was always looking for an undercover angle, even though I was 314 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:06,600 being told, you don't want that, you don't want that. You know, I was always 315 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,460 asking, what about this one, what about this one? Go get the bad guy, right? I 316 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:12,960 wanted to burn down the criminal enterprise. 317 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,240 Maybe it's the accountant in him or this Walter Mitty complex, but this was the 318 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,020 opportunity to, you know, be an undercover agent, even before we... 319 00:25:24,709 --> 00:25:29,010 could articulate the need to do any kind of undercover, that there was always 320 00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:32,790 this, you know, somehow, someway we've got to do an undercover in this thing. 321 00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:38,530 Every single meeting, I'm the one over there going, undercover investigation, 322 00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:39,850 undercover investigation. 323 00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:43,010 I didn't think anybody was listening. As a matter of fact, I think a couple of 324 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:45,890 them started out with Matthews. I don't want to hear anything about an 325 00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:46,890 undercover investigation. 326 00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:48,390 Just sit over there and listen. 327 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:50,650 Rick always coined that I was the... 328 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:53,670 George Costanza, because Seinfeld was big back then. 329 00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:55,250 All right! 330 00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:56,670 That's it for me! 331 00:25:57,630 --> 00:25:58,630 You're good, everybody! 332 00:25:59,030 --> 00:26:02,250 I'd come in, I'd say, undercover, and I'm gone. I was out. 333 00:26:02,730 --> 00:26:06,090 You could kind of let him run with things a little bit and then bring him 334 00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:07,090 to reality. 335 00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:10,950 Okay, yeah, that's great, Doug. By the way, I still need that FD -302, you 336 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:15,650 promised me. So why don't you go get that done, and then we'll talk about 337 00:26:15,650 --> 00:26:16,650 undercover work. 338 00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:24,930 So we get the call from McDonald's that this guy, Michael Hoover, a winner, had 339 00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:26,150 claimed the latest prize. 340 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:31,970 So we had the advantage of knowing this person's name and were able to do a 341 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:33,270 little bit of preliminary background. 342 00:26:36,550 --> 00:26:40,230 I think he worked as a pit boss at a casino. 343 00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:45,870 So I guess he would have been familiar with gambling and sweepstakes and 344 00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:46,870 whatnot. 345 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,080 Rick wanted to try to do the wiretap. 346 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:51,820 It's called a Title III investigation. 347 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,920 The wiretap investigation got up, and you're sitting, you're not doing 348 00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:02,220 and that's a boring situation for me. I don't know how many poems I can write on 349 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:03,740 a piece of paper to get through it. 350 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,980 So I said, look, what do you think about this? When you win, part of your 351 00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:13,780 signing up as a winner is to say, hey, I'm okay with using my face in the big 352 00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:16,420 check or whatever it is for future promotions. 353 00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:21,990 So I saw that as an opportunity. Let's use that as a platform for us. 354 00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:27,750 I said, I think this is a great opportunity for an undercover 355 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:34,110 where we do this TV commercial of the winners, like Publishers Clearinghouse, 356 00:27:34,330 --> 00:27:39,130 jumping up, telling us how they won these and what they did with it, that 357 00:27:39,130 --> 00:27:41,590 of thing, so we can do that with Hoover. 358 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:44,230 You know, we're the production company. 359 00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:45,850 That's how this could roll. 360 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,760 He's like, Matthew, who's going to do this? Are you going to do it? Because 361 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,080 not doing it. And I said, yeah, I'm going to do it. He goes, well, you don't 362 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,080 know anything about that. 363 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,860 And I said, I'm going to be the director because they don't do shit. 364 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:04,940 And then I'm going to get McDonald's to give me their public relations. That's 365 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:05,939 all I said. 366 00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:07,640 And Rick goes, wait a minute. 367 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:12,280 If we're going to do anything, we're going to need SAC authority. 368 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:26,130 I'm Tom Kinnear. I was the special agent in charge of the Jacksonville office of 369 00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:27,130 the FBI. 370 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:32,470 In each office, you have the SAC for the office. That's the special agent in 371 00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:34,410 charge. And then you have squads. 372 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:39,590 Most of the contact is usually with the squad supervisor. 373 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:46,950 But this was a particular case that I had a lot of hands -on with Chris and 374 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:48,630 everybody that worked on that case. 375 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:55,860 Doug was almost brand new at the time, and he'd been given a badge, a gun, and 376 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:59,940 some credentials, and now he's got a Superman cape, right? 377 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,480 Away he goes. 378 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,660 So the next day, I think I was called, and they said, hey, you need to come up 379 00:29:06,660 --> 00:29:13,000 here. When you hear your name, Matthews, to the SAC's office, never good. 380 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,640 Never, ever good. And everybody knows, it's like the walk of shame to the 381 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,640 elevators or whatever. 382 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:21,840 Oh, shit, Matthews. I hope you still have a paycheck. 383 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,780 Because they all know it's bad. 384 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:31,260 And so I come in, and it's SAC, Kinnear, CDC, the Chief Division Counsel, Rick 385 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:35,660 Dent, Graham, in this room about this size. It's small. 386 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,300 And they all, like, turn and look at me, and I'm like, and I go, I'm sorry. 387 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,440 That's all I said. 388 00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:45,820 And Rick goes, 389 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,020 you know, I think this might work. 390 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:50,740 He's going to do it. 391 00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:56,840 And that right then is probably, if I was ever, like, concerned about, I don't 392 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520 know, man, this might get somewhere. You know, whenever you be careful what you 393 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,140 ask for thing. Maybe that was the moment for me. But it quickly passed, and I 394 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:04,140 was back in. 395 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,100 We didn't have a lot of undercover agents in Jacksonville. 396 00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:12,770 You know, you could call headquarters and say, hey, you know, we need an 397 00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:14,530 undercover agent down here. 398 00:30:14,890 --> 00:30:16,950 Well, he's not available for three weeks. 399 00:30:17,550 --> 00:30:21,390 And so we just kind of rolled the dice and said, you know what, Doug is a 400 00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:24,530 bit of an actor anyway, so I guess that's when my hair turned white. 401 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:26,310 No. 402 00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:30,510 Being an undercover agent, it's not just something you raise your hand and 403 00:30:30,510 --> 00:30:35,230 decide to do. You know, there's a stringent process of school, testing, 404 00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:39,450 these things that... didn't exactly mesh with Doug's concept of being 405 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:44,010 undercover. You know, he wanted to get right up there on stage. 406 00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:49,470 He was not a certified undercover. 407 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:54,990 But for a specific case, you can get what they call SAC authority to do 408 00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:59,390 undercover work, and that's what Doug Matthews did just for that specific 409 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:04,420 My name's Janet Pellicciotti, and I was a special agent for the FBI in the 410 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:05,419 Jacksonville Division. 411 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:09,620 I was our undercover coordinator also, and I tried to get him to become an 412 00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:12,000 undercover agent because he was a natural. 413 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:17,740 Undercover was like acting, only it's real. You know, you sit there and 414 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:20,380 a real threat and somebody could harm you. 415 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,060 They could really harm you. 416 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,120 The Jacksonville Division, if you talk to Agent Pellicciotti, is a small 417 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,040 division that didn't do a lot of this. 418 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240 This is basically like your one shot to go undercover. 419 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,940 Right, so I got to do all the fun and not have to go through all the bullshit. 420 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:38,980 Yeah, just make it happen. That's what it was. 421 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:43,480 Hey, Matthew, just make it happen. I'm thinking to myself, one, my God, really? 422 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,380 And then two is weak. 423 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,120 He wanted to be thrown into the lion's den, and he wouldn't have gotten it if 424 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,780 the SAC did not feel he could handle himself. 425 00:31:55,479 --> 00:31:59,420 So they got some undercovers, you know, to act as a film crew. 426 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,480 My name is Jan Garvin, and I was videographer. 427 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,540 When I answered his call, he said, you're going to love this. 428 00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:10,280 Not, hey, Jan, how's it going? 429 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:13,200 You're going to love this. 430 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:17,740 And after he explained what it was, it was like, okay, we can do this. 431 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:21,140 And yeah, I'm going to love it. 432 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:30,410 We needed to put together what appears to be a legitimate production company, a 433 00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:34,970 video person, an audio person, a director, and an interviewer. 434 00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:39,870 I'd go, yeah, I need one just to act like they're the lighting person or 435 00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:43,430 whatever. Nobody needs to see that you're Bureau, right? So give me 436 00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:44,430 that's not stupid. 437 00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:48,170 Because, you know, we don't know Jack, right? In my mind, I just thought, you 438 00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:51,530 know, just get on the stage and everything will be fine. He'll just roll 439 00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:52,530 through. 440 00:32:56,490 --> 00:33:00,570 With any production company and any good undercover operation, you need a good 441 00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:04,310 name. And in this case, we came up with Shamrock Productions, 442 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:11,210 which is good, but I always liked the Bible because you're just lucky. 443 00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:13,690 That was good. 444 00:33:19,390 --> 00:33:24,690 We thought about having everybody in this undercover operation be... 445 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:30,660 FBI personnel that legitimately tried to make that happen. It just, the way that 446 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:36,940 this scenario had to run, you needed somebody inside McDonald's with that 447 00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:40,300 background that would be hard to fake. 448 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,600 My name's Amy Murray. 449 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,500 I've been with McDonald's for 22 years. 450 00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:59,010 The FBI investigation happened 17 years ago, and it's been years since I've 451 00:33:59,010 --> 00:34:02,930 talked to anyone. So, in fact, I don't really tell the story that much because, 452 00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:06,870 you know, how do you drop into conversation that you're part of an FBI 453 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:07,870 investigation? 454 00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:13,790 Back in 2001, I was in the communications department. 455 00:34:14,830 --> 00:34:18,949 I had only been working on Monopoly and games for about six months. 456 00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:26,050 My boss's boss called me into his office and he was like, Amy, the FBI has 457 00:34:26,050 --> 00:34:27,050 contacted us. 458 00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:33,770 They've told us that the game pieces are being stolen and that the entire game 459 00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:36,429 may be compromised by a criminal ring. 460 00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:40,330 And if you can imagine, I was completely shocked. 461 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:44,530 You know, I felt sick to my stomach. 462 00:34:45,429 --> 00:34:48,190 To break that trust was just devastating. 463 00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:50,810 How could this possibly happen? 464 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:55,350 I started thinking back to all the answers that I've heard from Monopoly 465 00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:59,190 in the past, and it did seem like they were almost scripted. 466 00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:04,330 Hindsight's 20 -20, and I started to realize that it did seem like there was 467 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:05,330 pattern. 468 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:10,210 You know, I used that word pattern, and I think that was when the FBI really 469 00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:15,590 said it would be great to talk to Amy directly since she has so much contact 470 00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:16,590 with the winners. 471 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,720 For a civilian to participate in an undercover operation doesn't happen much 472 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:29,420 all, for obvious reasons, right? If something happens, you want people who 473 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,520 professionals that are used to being in situations like that? 474 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,820 I was a little concerned because I wanted to make sure that her safety and 475 00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:42,520 security was first and foremost. They said, Rob, don't worry, she will be 476 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,520 We really didn't know how far we would have to go to help the FBI get evidence. 477 00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:56,660 And yes, there were nerves involved, and I was nervous, but I was all in. 478 00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:59,520 You know, I wanted to make it right as fast as possible. 479 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,820 So I would be talking to the FBI sometimes every day, sometimes twice a 480 00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:08,660 People were intrigued, like, what's this special project? I just couldn't talk 481 00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:13,880 about this, not to my family, not to my closest friends, not even to coworkers. 482 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:20,940 We told a couple people in McDonald's and then our team. Because we still 483 00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:25,000 know, you've got to remember, like this investigation, we still didn't know if 484 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,960 anybody was infected through corporate, right, or who. 485 00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:35,860 So we set up a time for Shamrock Productions to go up and visit Mr. 486 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,080 Hoover. 487 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,300 He had already been in contact with Amy, and he was very amenable to us coming 488 00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:47,860 by to film this commercial that we were putting together. 489 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:53,480 I'll never forget showing up at an airport in a white van pulled up with 490 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,480 the FBI agents. 491 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:58,340 And, you know, they're like, you know, hi, Amy. And I was introduced to all of 492 00:36:58,340 --> 00:37:01,280 them. You know, I really had to talk to Doug about this is what a producer would 493 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,000 do. This is what the cameraman would do. And I was just playing myself. 494 00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:10,730 So the first time we're going out there, I think I had like a golf shirt on. I 495 00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:13,870 looked like maybe I'd played nine holes or something like that. 496 00:37:14,410 --> 00:37:17,370 That's what Amy told me, what a director looks like. Looks like somebody that's 497 00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:18,550 just come off the golf course. 498 00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:21,350 So I'm excited, right? 499 00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:23,930 But I have a lot of apprehension as well. 500 00:37:24,850 --> 00:37:29,950 It's the first one. You want it to be seamless, and you don't know what to 501 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:30,950 expect. 502 00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:35,310 As an agent, you want to carry a gun and wear a bulletproof vest. 503 00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:39,230 But in a situation like this, an undercover operation, that may be too 504 00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:43,610 risk. You can wear an ankle holster and then you sit down in a chair and 505 00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:44,610 somebody sees it. 506 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:50,450 You had that little extra antenna going up to make sure you don't say anything 507 00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:55,470 or do anything that would trigger the suspect to look at you crossways and go, 508 00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:56,550 hmm. 509 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,500 I had butterflies in my stomach. I was nervous about not wrecking the 510 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:06,300 investigation. You know, I really wanted to make sure I did a good job, that I 511 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:07,660 wasn't causing any suspicion. 512 00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:13,000 It's an adrenaline that happens through your system. You know, you feel fully 513 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,100 awake and alive. 514 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,240 She was very nervous. And I'm like, you talk to these people all the time, 515 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,800 right? Well, yeah, but not like this. And I go, it's not like this. You don't 516 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,800 know anything about. 517 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,620 Our investigation, they don't either, so forget about that. 518 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,720 He's laughing. Like, how am I supposed to forget about that, right? 519 00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:33,840 And I said, you've got to forget about that and just do what you normally do. 520 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,460 We're very close to the exit. We know where it is. Just stay as close as you 521 00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:41,760 because I don't know what to expect. 522 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,480 Any civilian that you bring in, you're going to tell them we have a team. 523 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,980 There's always a team outside. 524 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,740 If anything happens, they'll be there immediately. 525 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,960 to make sure you're safe and secure. 526 00:38:57,180 --> 00:39:01,920 We have distress calls, things like that. So if the undercover agent says a 527 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,200 certain word, you know, I feel like a terrible flu is coming on, something's 528 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,660 really gone wrong, we've got a problem. 529 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:10,680 And so they went to his home. 530 00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:13,480 They came in. 531 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,420 And so you have the FBI agents, unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover, with the 532 00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:21,420 their shoulder. 533 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:26,380 If we were set up to record, Pretty much anything, we would hit the record 534 00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:28,580 button. You never know what you're going to capture. 535 00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:31,620 Always gold when they don't know it. 536 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,980 The greatest thing in the world about all this is what? 537 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,140 We had a camera rolling. 538 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640 Take that to your local bank to cash there. 539 00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:48,020 What was that? You think you can take that to your local bank to cash? 540 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,240 I got it. 541 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:57,770 Amy, she, you know, worked her McDonald's magic, and she had all this 542 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,950 popper stuff and a big check. 543 00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:05,010 We never know whenever we get a call from Amy sort of where we're going to. 544 00:40:05,010 --> 00:40:07,550 always good to find out where she always takes us to a different area. 545 00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:09,230 Good surprise. 546 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:11,830 That's definitely child -proof. 547 00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:13,930 I mean, it's a big check. 548 00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:16,450 I think it was taller than her, actually. 549 00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:20,130 Everything had to seem very natural. 550 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,060 It had to seem like we had done this a million times. 551 00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:27,960 We made sure that I always called Doug, Doug, and not Agent Matthews because it 552 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,140 would have been really bad if suddenly I was like, Agent Matthews, can you go do 553 00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:38,120 this? Amy was really nervous the whole time, which was good. It was healthy to 554 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,280 be that way. I told her I was too, and I wasn't lying to her. She's used to 555 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,280 this. I'm not. 556 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:49,630 Even though I said, oh, I got this, right? She had no idea that I had never 557 00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:52,650 this before, but I loved it. There's Mr. Monopoly. 558 00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,670 All right, all right. He's got to be sinking in now. 559 00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:58,670 Now for the show, Ronald McDonald, the official signature. 560 00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:04,310 Doug Matthews could talk to a wall and get it to respond. 561 00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:08,130 You know, he's got that little bit of a southern draw and everybody sort of 562 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,830 likes him. He's the, oh, gosh darn, do you want it? 563 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,300 There was no risk that somebody's going to think, well, this guy's an FBI agent 564 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:21,380 and this is an undercover operation. I mean, nobody, no FBI agent laughs as 565 00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:22,380 as this guy does. 566 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,360 I go, wow, this really looks like there's had a woman's touch here. I 567 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,100 was all this plaid shit, which is probably why I did it. 568 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:41,220 I said all kinds of stuff. Again, I was trying to move this out, make everybody 569 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:44,380 seem real comfortable with uncomfortable things, which is what I'm good at. 570 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,720 Tell us the story about how you won at the Monopoly game, everything like that, 571 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,658 in your own words. 572 00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:53,660 Okay. 573 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,600 The day started out pretty peaceful. It was a day off, and I went to the beach 574 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,569 for a while. 575 00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:03,490 I ended up actually falling asleep at the beach. 576 00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:09,530 And when I woke up, the wind had come up and I was covered with sand, not a lot, 577 00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:10,550 but a little bit of sand. 578 00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:14,810 And I picked up my belongings and I headed down to the water there to kind 579 00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:17,910 wash my legs off with the sand. And I was a little klutzy. 580 00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:25,530 The People magazine and my towel fell out of the backpack, fell into the water 581 00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:26,970 and got all wet. 582 00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:28,310 I ended up... 583 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,960 throwing those away on the way to the car. 584 00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:36,860 And then after I was coming home, I decided to stop and get provisions for 585 00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:42,900 dinner. So I stopped at the McQuaid supermarket and picked up a few things. 586 00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,180 I never got a chance to read the magazine. 587 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:48,820 And there it was right there at the checkout stand, so I bought one. 588 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:53,360 And when I got home, I was leafing through it, and we had the McDonald's 589 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,060 Monopoly game. 590 00:42:55,630 --> 00:43:00,090 and it had instant prize winners on it, or it had the quick pick, whatever you 591 00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:01,250 call them. I don't know what they're called. 592 00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:06,630 And the first one I peeled off, I believe, was Pennsylvania Avenue, and 593 00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:10,650 second one I peeled off was a million -dollar instant prize winner. It was 594 00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:11,970 wow, is this for real? 595 00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:18,050 And then I followed the directions and made the calls and talked to the people. 596 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:20,500 It was for real. 597 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:25,440 Amy just used to get in the story. But for me, I'm putting legs to that. And he 598 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,240 was mentioning some grocery store. 599 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,120 And so I go, which one? 600 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,160 Is it right here? Hey, can you take us there? 601 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,440 He goes, sure. 602 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,980 He's feeding off the energy part. 603 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,580 No, I wasn't about to stop that. That was great. 604 00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:40,120 It's a field trip, right? 605 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:43,140 I'm getting calls. 606 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:44,400 The fuck are you doing? 607 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,640 I mean, why? What? 608 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,480 This is like, are you, and I go, hey, Jan, my camera guy, right? Can you get 609 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,140 this? Yeah, I can get it. 610 00:43:56,660 --> 00:44:02,200 Doug struck me as one of the new breed of agents who thinks outside the box, if 611 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,860 you will, but he was gung -ho from the get -go. 612 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,960 This is where I got the People magazine, and inside we had the Monopoly game. 613 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:16,410 with the instant $1 million winner. 614 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:18,870 And it was great. It was fantastic. 615 00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:26,910 He's telling us how he won the prize. It'll be a kids' magazine type thing, 616 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:30,130 which at the time I didn't even know. I'm looking at her, I go, really? I 617 00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,550 thought you got this off the packages. 618 00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:36,810 And Amy's like, did you read any of that shit I sent you, right? And I go, of 619 00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:39,390 course I did, which I may have glossed over. 620 00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:42,150 So I go, hey, what'd you do with the money? 621 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:45,250 Why? Because I wanted to go seize that stuff, right? 622 00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:50,450 And he's like, I'm buying a boat. And so I go, what name would you have on the 623 00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:53,570 back of your boat? And he was like, Ruthless Scoundrel. 624 00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:55,130 One, two, three. 625 00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:57,210 Thanks, McDonald's. Hey. 626 00:44:59,990 --> 00:45:05,410 So I'm reenacting that, right? And I go, so Michael, you were on the beach? 627 00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:09,090 Yes, and it's right here. It's this beach. And I go, really? 628 00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:10,550 Take us to it. 629 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,440 And I didn't care what that meant to my camera guy, right? He's like, are you 630 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,540 kidding me? I got the damn beach. 631 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:24,300 There's always somebody that could respond tactically if needed. But if 632 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:29,740 something went south, between the time something went south and the time they 633 00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:36,480 got there, don't do anything 634 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,480 stupid. 635 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,620 Doug, you know, he was a professional, but he also did like to have fun. So he 636 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:47,280 loved to tease me and kept me on my toes. 637 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,380 This is what makes my fun meter go. 638 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,140 Amy's back there going, look at these shoes. And I'm not looking at shit like 639 00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:56,340 that. Take your high heels. Why are you wearing high heels anyway? And she's 640 00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:01,040 like, are you? You know, she was getting on to me about, hey, can you plan this 641 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,080 better? But I didn't know. 642 00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:05,380 Can you get enough sound if he tells the story one more time? 643 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:06,740 Do you need it? 644 00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:08,380 We can try. Okay. 645 00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:10,860 Anybody noticing you yet? 646 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,520 Not really. 647 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,560 Good. 648 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,300 When Doug's at the house, it was a controlled environment. 649 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:23,140 When you're out in the real world, there's nothing controlled. 650 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,920 You're always a little worried the operation in the case could be 651 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,740 This is where I lost my People magazine. 652 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,680 I'm glad that after the beach I stopped and picked up another one because when I 653 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,820 did, I found the McDonald's Monopoly game, $1 million instant prize winner. 654 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,198 That's great. 655 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,200 Okay, good. 656 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,860 Obviously, this was Doug's very first undercover, and so you'd want to try to 657 00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:54,520 keep him under control, keep him sedated, so to speak. 658 00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:55,940 They don't make it easy. 659 00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:59,460 So I'm like, man, I got plenty. I got enough. 660 00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:02,640 Can I do a couple of artsy things real quick? 661 00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:05,460 Hey. 662 00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:09,700 You know, you stand there smiling, you know, and you're doing all this artsy 663 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:15,840 stuff. And then some kid ran up and grabbed a check to run away with it. 664 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,240 Like, I'm going to let this evidence just walk? 665 00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:21,880 No way. And I'm trucking down the beach. 666 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,600 And it's like, dude, it's not real. 667 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,720 It was bad news. 668 00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:30,680 That's not a good problem to have, being an undercover agent. 669 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,140 And this guy is hammered. Fortunately, he's running like in the zigzag, so it's 670 00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:36,140 easy to catch. 671 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,860 This kid, he was like full of sand in his mouth and crap. And I'm like, dude, 672 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,920 what? Do you see? Like, I don't know what I'm going to do with all this sand. 673 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,740 And he's like, man, I just saw like all those zeros and dot. 674 00:47:53,230 --> 00:47:56,390 I'm just going to go take it. And I can't even remember where he wandered 675 00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:58,670 but he was out of there. We never saw him again. 676 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:04,510 Sometimes on a case, being lucky is better than being good. 677 00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:10,530 No ASICs, no nothing. And we still caught that dude because he was hammered 678 00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:11,269 we were not. 679 00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:12,790 And we did get the check back. 680 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,100 It worked great. 681 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,140 Amy was phenomenal. 682 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:29,080 And I'm like, man, undercover is awesome. 683 00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:36,940 It turned out it really tickled our wire up. 684 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,900 Michael Hoover would be on the phones, which was great because then we were 685 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:44,240 listening to that and recording it. You know, again, it got him comfortable. It 686 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,680 actually worked. You know, all that works. 687 00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:55,660 At that time, I was here in Jacksonville in the, what we call, wire room. We 688 00:48:55,660 --> 00:49:01,620 were listening in for what we hoped to be a telephone call to this Uncle Jerry. 689 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,300 And immediately, there's a phone call by Mr. Hoover to Mr. 690 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,940 Glum down in South Florida. 691 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,980 We were up on three or four phones. 692 00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:14,560 One was this guy, Andrew Glum. 693 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,880 Andrew Glum was a guy with a checkered past. 694 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,220 He had previously convicted for some drug charges on the federal side with 695 00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:24,220 DEA. 696 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,680 He had been in a drug trafficking thing. He was a fugitive for a while, 697 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,900 eventually got arrested. He did some time. 698 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,180 And so Mr. 699 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,620 Hoover had called Mr. 700 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,560 Glum. Ring, ring, ring, ring. 701 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,460 Hello? Yeah, Andy. That's Andy Glum. 702 00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:45,500 Andy, they were here. They believed everything. 703 00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:50,160 Everything I told them about winning the ticket on that People magazine. 704 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,960 I was telling them I did this and I did that. 705 00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:59,160 And at the very same time, I'm on my cell phone talking to Doug Matthews and 706 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,360 telling him, listen to this. 707 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,420 The feeling from him on the phone call was, man, I got them snowed. You know, 708 00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:09,940 was that. It was that. I mean, it was perfect. 709 00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:11,860 Exactly what you're after. 710 00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:15,980 He's talking, man, you're not going to believe it. This director asked about 711 00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:20,480 name of my boat. And I said, Ruthless Scoundrel. And they're just laughing on 712 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,080 the phone how funny that was to them because they knew they had lied and had 713 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,120 stolen this money from McDonald's. In that call, effectively what he's doing 714 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,820 confirming beyond any doubt that, you know, he didn't win it. 715 00:50:38,830 --> 00:50:42,110 It just doesn't get any better than that. It's like high five. 716 00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:47,570 That was why you get up on these wiretaps. So we're hearing how they did 717 00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:56,510 At the time, we didn't know how big this was. We knew of some, but we didn't 718 00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:57,169 know it all. 719 00:50:57,170 --> 00:51:00,810 It was amazing to me how little we did know. 720 00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:20,630 The spider web of all, like we had this Uncle Jerry, everything was very 721 00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:21,950 general, nebulous. 722 00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:26,110 We still didn't know, you got to remember, like we still didn't know who 723 00:51:26,110 --> 00:51:28,990 Jerry person was, if they even was a Jerry. 724 00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:34,590 So all of the newer agents, we were on the wiretaps to find out more about the 725 00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:35,590 depth of this scheme. 726 00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:41,190 Back then, I was a new agent, and my first assignment when I was brought in 727 00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:42,750 to work the wire. 728 00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:48,370 The Title III has to be monitored full -time, 24 -7. You hear the phone call, 729 00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:50,630 you grab your headset, you put it on, you listen to the call. 730 00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:56,730 We're listening in the Y room, and I'm hearing the name Uncle Jerry thrown 731 00:51:56,730 --> 00:51:57,730 around on the phone. 732 00:51:58,630 --> 00:52:00,110 Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry. 733 00:52:00,630 --> 00:52:02,650 You don't want to make Uncle Jerry upset. 734 00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:09,490 I do remember clearly feeling like I was in New York and I was listening to a 735 00:52:09,490 --> 00:52:11,210 mobster talking about running. 736 00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:18,530 mafia empire some mafia don because that's kind of how this guy came off so 737 00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:21,790 had to find uncle jerry i mean how do you do that 738 00:52:21,790 --> 00:52:29,150 we 739 00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:35,750 did an analysis of phone records from past winners you look for that common 740 00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:42,360 number we knew when they won the prizes what year And we could probably cord it 741 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,560 off to a month, so I think we backed up two and went forward two. 742 00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:55,000 And we went and pulled the phone numbers coming in and going out for this period 743 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000 of time. 744 00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,720 Lo and behold, each of their phone numbers were calling common numbers. 745 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,600 We saw the activity heavy coming in right before. 746 00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:13,670 The prize was awarded, acclaimed, and then heavy right after, and then 747 00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:16,790 None of them were related. They didn't know each other. 748 00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:19,710 All were hitting that number. 749 00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:30,630 All these phone calls include one person, 750 00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:38,550 Jerome Jacobson, also known as Jerry Jacobson. 751 00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:42,270 the absolute head of security for Simon Marketing. 752 00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:44,700 There was a wide net of individuals who were willing to participate in this 753 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:45,700 fraud scheme. 754 00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:48,840 It got really big, really fast. 755 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:51,960 There was one nagging question mark. 756 00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:54,680 Who is Uncle Jerry? 757 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,920 We were racking up incredible evidence and discovering new people. 758 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,320 We found out that there was another Jerry involved in this. He took this 759 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,600 small operation and made it huge. 760 00:55:08,810 --> 00:55:11,670 As soon as I got that job, things changed. 761 00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:15,830 You're going to ride with us, and you're going to do what we say, and you're 762 00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:16,830 going to do it right. 763 00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:20,030 I'm not a dumb person, but I did a dumb thing. 764 00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:25,830 No one can stand in front of a mirror and say they've never done something 765 00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:27,330 they wish they could take back. 766 00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:30,170 Malia McCard's on the table to tell everything. 767 00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:34,150 We were just building the puzzle from all the pieces. 768 00:55:35,090 --> 00:55:37,030 We started finding other middlemen. 769 00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:40,810 The money got too big to not take a bigger piece of that pie. 770 00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:44,130 It could have been a possible hit to get him out of the situation. 771 00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,690 A little teardrop came down my face. 772 00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:49,410 I thought, I'm never going to get out of this. 67637

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