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(gentle music playing)
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John Wilson:
Hey, New York.
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One of the nicest things
about living in a city
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is walking to the store
to get something you need.
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You find the thing you want,
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pay for it, uh,
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and take it straight home
in your hand,
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usually, uh, without incident.
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-(horn honks)
-John: Sorry. Sorry!
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This should be
the way you get
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almost everything
in a big city,
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but there's something
that feels special
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-about ordering things
off the internet.
-(electronic music playing)
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You enter the search terms
for what you want
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and you're rewarded with
a bunch of different options
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to choose from.
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You can spend all afternoon
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searching for
that perfect object.
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Sometimes,
it's practical stuff.
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Other times,
it's for business.
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Or could just be for fun.
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They also recommend
other stuff you might like,
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and you can end up
learning things
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about your
subconscious desires
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while you surf.
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And when you finally find
what you're looking for,
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it's only a click away.
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And this sets in motion
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a, a, a complex series
of interactions
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-that you never have to see.
-(mouse clicks)
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John:
You like checking your computer
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and looking at the progress.
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And while you're waiting,
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time seems to take on
a different quality.
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♪ ♪
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Even the most mundane
activity becomes exciting
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because your
meaningless existence
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has now been given shape,
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knowing that your delivery day
will arrive at one point soon.
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(exciting music playing)
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Oh, wow. This thing is huge.
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And when you get it inside
and open it up,
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for a brief moment,
you feel complete.
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As if you finally
have everything you need.
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(choir vocalizing)
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-Jesus.
-(wallet snaps)
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John:
But, once you put it next
to everything else you own,
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the object quickly
loses that power.
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(choir humming solemnly)
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John:
And you're still not sure
what's missing.
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So you get back
on the computer
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and begin
the whole process again.
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(solemn humming continues)
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John:
You've started ordering
ceramic figurines
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of, uh, ET recently,
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and you wanted
to, uh, expand your collection.
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You found an interesting
poster that, uh,
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seems like it might
look nice behind them,
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so you placed an order
and waited for it to arrive.
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You got a notification
saying it had been delivered,
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but when you got home,
it just wasn't there.
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(melancholy music playing)
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And it didn't show up
the next day either.
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♪ ♪
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So, you go over to
the, uh, shipping center
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in Maspeth,
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but they didn't really know
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anything about it.
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(John speaking)
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Attendant:
No, no, no, no, no.
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-John: Okay.
-Attendant: Yeah, buddy.
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John:
Thank you.
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So, you go to someone else
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that might be
a bit more helpful.
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Well, it shows that
there's a lot of negativity
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surrounding this situation
and, as you can see here,
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-you have the death card.
-John: What is...?
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Wait, you really
pulled the death card
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-when you, you started to think
about the package?
-Psychic: Yeah.
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And you have, uh, the devil,
which represents evil.
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-John: Wait, r-really?
-Psychic: It means that
whatever was in
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-the contents of the package
was very negative.
-John: Okay.
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The person that you
are destined to be with
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is very much ready for a...
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I'm gonna say...
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-a commitment.
-John: Mm.
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And it says that
you have commitment issues.
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John:
Oh, wow.
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Psychic:
I'm not gonna say
that you're a loner,
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but it's kind of like you have
some commitment issues.
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-John: Yeah...
-The cards actually show you
have a lot of commitment issues.
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-John: O... (laughs) Okay.
-(psychic scoffs)
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John:
You also saw that
the eBay seller,
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uh, lived within driving
distance of you,
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and when you, when you went
to meet up with him,
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he told you that
it might have been stolen
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because of
how valuable it was.
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The Michael Jackson
memorabilia market
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is hotter than ever,
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um, whether it's eBay
or Facebook groups.
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You know, the shoes,
it looks just, you know,
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like he's doing
his little dance moves.
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-John: Wow.
-Seller: Oops!
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John:
What is a 3D screamer?
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Seller:
So, these are actually, these
are actually extremely rare.
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-I forgot to mention these.
These are actually very rare.
-(knocking)
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Is that someone knocking?
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-Oh, um, oh, I just got some...
-John: Oh...
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-It...
-John: Oh, that just
came right now?
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Just came in. J-Just delivered,
hot off the press.
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John:
Oh, is that why
the doorbell rang?
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Yes, that was the doorbell.
(giggles)
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John:
Losing something important
to you
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is one of the worst feelings
you can have.
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Because even if you know
it's, it's gone forever,
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you'll never really
stop looking for it.
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♪ ♪
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But, if you know how to keep
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a close eye on
your, your shipment,
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you may never lose track
of it ever again.
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So, instead of wondering
where all your stuff went
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or feeling like your package
is never gonna come,
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stick with me
and I'll show you how
to finally figure out
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the right way to just
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keep track
of all your packages.
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Now, when you're growing up,
the first package you order
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is usually a package of pizza,
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which reliably makes it
into your home,
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uh, without incident.
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And there has to be a reason
it, it works so well.
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Has a pizza ever been stolen
during its, uh, delivery?
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Um... Not through...
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Not when my guys
are delivering it.
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You gotta know how to dispatch.
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Owner:
This is what we call
a round robin.
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Pizza Employee:
Bleecker, Central,
and Covert right now.
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Want the driver to get back
as fast as possible.
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We want the food to get there
as fast as possible.
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And hot.
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-John: Can I tag along?
-No problem, man.
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So now, I'm gonna have
to go back to the fridge
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and grab some sodas.
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(pizza employee speaking)
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(delivery driver speaking)
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This is our biggest enemy
right here.
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John:
Oh, shit. You got a ticket.
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Delivery Driver:
Yeah, a little
Joe and John's road trip.
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♪ ♪
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So all they ordered
was a small pie.
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I'm just gonna bring it in,
collect the money,
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-and then we're on our way
to the next one.
-John: Oh, okay.
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-How are you, sir?
It's gonna be $11.
-John: Hey...
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♪ ♪
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-(doorbell dinging)
-John: We're making a...
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Delivery Driver:
Thank you so much, man.
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And we're back on to
the next one. That easy.
-John: Alright. That was...
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-That was really quick.
-Yeah, nice and simple.
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John:
It seems like
handing a package
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directly to the recipient
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is the most foolproof way
to deliver anything.
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You guys having a party?
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-Huh?
-John: You guys having a party?
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-Yeah, I have some
friends over. (laughs)
-John: Okay, cool.
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-(dog barking)
-John: Have fun.
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I try to keep my guard up
at all times,
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but it's a pretty calm
neighborhood, you know?
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It's nice to see people
interacting with one another.
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John:
Yeah...
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(bag crinkling)
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Alright, and, uh, it's just
right in here.
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-Resident: (indistinct)
-How are you, man?
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-Thank you.
-John: Hey, you got a second?
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Delivery Driver:
Appreciate it.
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John:
So, y-you order from
Joe and John's a lot?
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Every so often.
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-At least once a month
type of thing.
-John: Oh, cool.
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(resident speaking)
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John:
Oh, yeah?
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Is it, is it stressful
with a newborn?
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Yeah. She was
born prematurely,
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-so we don't have time to cook.
-John: Oh, I'm sorry.
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Uh, on our way back home,
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we always talk to
each other like,
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"What are we gonna eat today?"
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And we decided to go
with Joe and John's.
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This is her, her section
of the fridge.
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-We've always got bags
and bags of milk.
-John: Oh, okay.
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-That's all the breast milk.
-And bottles of milk.
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I grew up without
a father figure
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in my life
throughout my whole life.
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So, I've always been scared
to have a child.
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So, I have no reference
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on what is a good dad
or a bad dad.
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But, I'm here now,
and I'm acknowledging that
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you know, it is what it is,
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and I just have to
be there for her,
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provide for her,
and just my life is for her now.
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John:
I think all that, all that
energy you put out
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-comes back to you
in a good way, you know?
-Definitely.
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Especially with cooking.
And I feel like, again,
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going back to Joe and John's,
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I feel like that's with
their input as well.
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The ingredients and everything
is just always,
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always done the way it was done
the first time you tried it.
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-John: Yeah, well...
-I feel like consistency is key,
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definitely, when it comes
to food.
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John:
In a perfect world,
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every package would be treated
like a pizza.
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But unfortunately,
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that's still not the case.
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Supposedly, there are
roughly 90,000 packages
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that go missing
every single day
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in New York City.
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Whenever you get
a, a package delivered,
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the mail person
may not have a way
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of getting
into your building,
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and a crucial link
in the delivery process
is broken.
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At that point, the mail carrier
will make a judgment call
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about where
the most discreet place is
for the package to go.
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They usually put it
in the stairwell
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so, uh, people can't see it
from the street,
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or use some other exterior
feature to camouflage it.
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People also install these
strange boxes for packages
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that have the same technology,
uh, that campers use
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to keep food away from bears.
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But, if there isn't
a safe space,
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New Yorkers will
post messages
to delivery people
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on their doors to make sure
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their packages
aren't left outside.
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Other people
use security cameras
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to try to dissuade thieves
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by printing out photos
of the bandit to shame them.
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But you feel like
if these signs actually worked,
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you wouldn't see
as many of them as you do.
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And if you keep your camera
on for long enough,
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you might discover something
even more terrifying
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than package theft.
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Kevin:
My neighbors had some,
uh, flowers
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stolen off of their porch,
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so they asked me to
check my doorbell camera.
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In the process,
I come across these two women
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who, uh, take notice
of my open windows.
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(indistinct chatter)
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(Woman 1 speaking)
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(Woman 2 speaking)
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(Woman 1 speaking)
247
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(Woman 2 speaking)
248
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(Woman 1 speaking)
249
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(Woman 2 speaking)
250
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I was doing a lotta renovations.
I was kicking up a lotta dust.
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(Woman 2 speaking)
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Can't be dusting it every day.
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(Woman 2 speaking)
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-John: Uh, do you have photos
of the way it used to look like?
-Kevin: Yeah.
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John: Okay, so that's...
Yeah, I could see.
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Kevin:
They had a point.
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John:
Were you in a relationship
when you did this?
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Kevin:
(laughs) No, I wasn't.
259
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You got to commit sometimes,
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even if it's, uh,
the wrong decision.
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John:
Yeah.
262
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So this is where we have
our packages dragged in.
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-So normally, there's, like,
a big pile of them right here.
-John: Uh-huh.
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And then that's the camera
that we installed.
265
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-You know.
-John: Oh, okay.
266
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So, they're supposed to
leave them right there.
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Resident: Oh! Here's
my keto cereal! (laughs)
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John:
Oh, cool.
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On more than one occasion,
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I've walked into
the unlocked door
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to find someone actively
stealing our packages,
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which is always,
like, very nerve-wracking.
273
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Um, and then, one time,
274
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my super that we were paying
to bring our packages in
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actually was stealing
our packages for quite a while.
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He calls me "Whole Foods,"
277
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because he says that
I look like a bitch
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-who would shop
at Whole Foods.
-(both laugh)
279
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-I need to get a knife.
-John: Okay.
280
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Resident:
It does make me really nervous.
281
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I don't know if this is
like a shareable story,
282
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but I recently was
freezing my eggs,
283
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and had to have, like,
284
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very expensive medications
dropped off here.
285
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-John: Uh-huh.
-Um, and it was, like,
absolutely terrifying.
286
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Like, I sat outside
waiting for them
287
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because I was so nervous
288
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that they were gonna just
be taken and discarded.
289
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-So, it doesn't seem like
they care, quite frankly.
-John: Wait.
290
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So, where are they kept?
I guess...
291
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Um. that's actually a
good question. I don't know.
292
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I froze them
at a clinic in Hoboken,
293
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and, I... they have...
294
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I'm assuming they
have them somewhere,
295
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-like a warehouse somewhere.
-John: Really?
296
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(laughs) I don't know,
a warehouse somewhere.
297
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I don't know where
they keep them,
298
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which is maybe something
I should look into.
299
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John:
It seems like
biological material
300
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requires the most care
when shipping it.
301
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It needs to be transported
very quickly
302
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with almost no room for error.
303
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You never really checked
that box on your license
304
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to, uh, make
an anatomical gift,
305
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but maybe if we studied
organ transport
a bit more closely,
306
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we could have a better idea
307
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of how to secure, uh,
other package deliveries.
308
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So, you asked your team
to set up an interview
309
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with an organ shipping
company.
310
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Unfortunately, something
got lost in translation,
311
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uh, but you decided to
312
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go through with
the interview anyway.
313
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So, who are you... Uh...
314
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Like, what are some of the...
315
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Like, can it be dangerous
to ship an organ?
316
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Well,
317
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we haven't had any problems
with our shippers at all.
318
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John:
Was this organ, uh, donated?
319
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No. No.
320
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(playing lively tune)
321
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And they used to call me...
They call me "Vince the Prince."
322
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-John: Oh, yeah?
-Yeah, that's my nickname.
323
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-John: Oh, cool.
-Hang on one second.
324
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Say, "Hey, I heard they call
you Vince the Prince.
325
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-Where did that come from?"
-John: Okay.
326
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-Or you could say, I...
-(organ motor whirring)
327
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-John: So, why do they call
you Vince the Prince?
-Stop.
328
00:13:38,009 --> 00:13:40,043
-Not ready to answer yet.
-John: Oh, okay.
329
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I heard your nickname
in the music industry
330
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is Vince the Prince?
Why do they call you that?
331
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I guess, you know,
it, it rhymes.
332
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Vince the Prince,
and, uh, it's...
333
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-it's been with me
for over 20 years.
-John: Okay.
334
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(John speaking)
335
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Vince:
Yeah.
336
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John:
The first thing you do
to ship an organ
337
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is, uh, just make sure that
everything's on tight.
338
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(clears throat) And then,
339
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you carefully assemble
a shipping crate around it.
340
00:14:06,243 --> 00:14:07,743
Does it... Can you play it?
341
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-I really don't play.
-John: Oh, really?
342
00:14:10,676 --> 00:14:13,843
-Are you a "Star Trek" fan?
-Bill: Kinda, yes.
343
00:14:13,909 --> 00:14:17,043
I mean,
going to other planets...
344
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in other, uh, solar systems,
that's...
345
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that's quite a task to do.
346
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I do hope to see the day w-when
they land people on Mars.
347
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-John: Mm.
-I hope to see that
before I leave this earth.
348
00:14:29,276 --> 00:14:31,743
John:
Yeah, that would be cool.
Me, too.
349
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(mellow music playing)
350
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And then,
they load it carefully
into a, a box truck.
351
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(lift motor whirring)
352
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John:
And make sure it's secure
353
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for its long drive
to Arizona.
354
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John:
Then you spend
the next three days
355
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driving across the country,
356
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where you might see
some other people,
357
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uh, shipping organs
in their own way.
358
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On the organ trail.
359
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Driving the organ trail.
360
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When it finally gets there,
361
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they unload it in front
of the, the organ store
362
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and, uh,
and roll it inside.
363
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(crate rattling)
364
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-And put it up
against the back wall.
-John: Okay.
365
00:15:16,076 --> 00:15:18,176
-It'll be the safest
that, that way.
-John: Okay.
366
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I, I still don't understand
the concept of the film.
367
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-John: It's kind of like...
-Is it, is it just...
368
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-weird, weird organ stuff
or is it...
-John: No. It's...
369
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It's not really about organs.
370
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And after
you're done with that,
371
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you can go over
to Organ Stop Pizza,
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which actually has
one of the biggest organs
373
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in-in the whole country.
374
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Wow.
375
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-Have you been here before?
-Oh, yeah.
376
00:15:41,176 --> 00:15:42,708
-John: Yeah? You like it?
-Yeah.
377
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John:
I came from New York.
378
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Customer:
Oh, I'm from Lake Erie.
379
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-John: What brought you here?
-A woman.
380
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-John: Oh, her?
-No.
381
00:15:50,208 --> 00:15:51,576
-John: Oh.
-A different one.
382
00:15:51,643 --> 00:15:53,243
-John: Oh, okay.
-But I ended up marrying her.
383
00:15:53,309 --> 00:15:55,376
(laughs)
384
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John:
Are you, are you
an organ donor at all?
385
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-No.
-John: Alright.
386
00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:02,243
Are you an organ donor at all?
387
00:16:03,043 --> 00:16:05,609
Am I an organ donor? No.
388
00:16:05,676 --> 00:16:08,109
Well, you see, I...
389
00:16:08,176 --> 00:16:10,709
I, I'm with Alcor.
You know what that is?
390
00:16:10,776 --> 00:16:13,976
-John: No, I'm not from here.
-You don't... Oh, you don't know
anything about that.
391
00:16:15,076 --> 00:16:16,976
John:
Well, w-what is Alcor?
392
00:16:17,043 --> 00:16:18,643
(laughs)
393
00:16:18,709 --> 00:16:21,276
What is Alcor? Well,
394
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it's a company that...
395
00:16:24,643 --> 00:16:27,476
that people
make arrangements with
who want to do this.
396
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They wanna get their,
397
00:16:29,376 --> 00:16:33,509
their remains put in
liquid nitrogen after death,
398
00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,943
after legal death, okay?
399
00:16:36,009 --> 00:16:38,743
Because they're, they're
keeping them that way
400
00:16:38,809 --> 00:16:42,208
in hopes that someday,
they will find some technology
401
00:16:42,276 --> 00:16:44,976
that can revive them.
402
00:16:45,043 --> 00:16:47,343
-Okay?
-John: (laughs) So, like...
403
00:16:47,409 --> 00:16:48,876
Wow. So...
404
00:16:48,943 --> 00:16:50,576
-(elaborate organ playing)
-John: Well, here, maybe we can
405
00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:51,909
sit down for a second here.
406
00:16:51,976 --> 00:16:53,509
Would...
Do you wanna...?
407
00:16:53,576 --> 00:16:56,376
(loud, lively organ playing)
408
00:16:56,476 --> 00:16:58,076
John:
Oh, my goodness.
409
00:16:58,143 --> 00:17:00,076
So, where is
Alcor's headquarters?
410
00:17:00,143 --> 00:17:02,876
It's in Scottsdale.
411
00:17:02,943 --> 00:17:05,642
It's near the airport
in Scottsdale.
412
00:17:05,708 --> 00:17:08,743
(organ continues playing)
413
00:17:11,309 --> 00:17:13,243
John:
You'd heard about people
freezing themselves
414
00:17:13,309 --> 00:17:15,776
in, in movies
and stuff before,
415
00:17:15,843 --> 00:17:18,043
but you never met anyone who,
416
00:17:18,109 --> 00:17:19,776
who was actually
signed up for it.
417
00:17:19,843 --> 00:17:21,876
(organ continues loudly)
418
00:17:24,243 --> 00:17:26,443
John:
Do you wanna go
somewhere quieter?
419
00:17:26,508 --> 00:17:29,609
-So, is this like...
-Mike: It's a medic
alert bracelet.
420
00:17:29,709 --> 00:17:33,576
"Do CPR while cooling with ice.
421
00:17:33,643 --> 00:17:37,309
No embalming. No autopsy."
That's what it says.
422
00:17:37,376 --> 00:17:39,576
John:
A-And medics know what to do
when they see this?
423
00:17:39,643 --> 00:17:40,976
Mike:
I hope they would.
424
00:17:41,043 --> 00:17:43,209
John:
You really wanted
some more details,
425
00:17:43,276 --> 00:17:46,443
so after some
tense negotiation,
426
00:17:46,509 --> 00:17:48,943
he agreed to let you
come back to his house.
427
00:17:49,009 --> 00:17:51,543
You want to go to my house?
Is that what you're saying?
428
00:17:51,609 --> 00:17:53,776
-John: Yeah. Is that okay?
-That's okay.
429
00:17:53,843 --> 00:17:56,876
(gentle music playing)
430
00:18:00,443 --> 00:18:03,409
-I like this skylight.
-Mike: Yeah.
431
00:18:03,509 --> 00:18:05,876
-(light clicks)
-Lots of books and tapes.
432
00:18:05,943 --> 00:18:08,676
-John: Oh, my God.
What are all these tapes?
-Mike: Well,
433
00:18:08,743 --> 00:18:11,509
-something I never deal with.
-John: Wow.
434
00:18:11,576 --> 00:18:13,509
So, do you, like,
do you work for Alcor?
435
00:18:13,576 --> 00:18:15,709
I, uh, monitor the...
436
00:18:15,776 --> 00:18:19,176
the dewars that hold
the, the people that are frozen.
437
00:18:19,243 --> 00:18:21,243
Every day, I check on those,
438
00:18:21,309 --> 00:18:24,609
and, uh, I make sure that
there's liquid nitrogen.
439
00:18:24,676 --> 00:18:27,443
John:
Do you, like, do you freeze the
whole body or just the brain?
440
00:18:27,509 --> 00:18:30,476
It depends on the type of
arrangement you have with Alcor.
441
00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:32,443
You can arrange it either way.
442
00:18:32,509 --> 00:18:34,343
John:
W-What are the arrangements
that you have with Alcor?
443
00:18:34,443 --> 00:18:36,076
I have head only.
444
00:18:36,176 --> 00:18:37,343
John:
You... Oh, so only your head
445
00:18:37,409 --> 00:18:39,109
-is going to be preserved?
-That's right.
446
00:18:39,176 --> 00:18:42,476
John:
Ever see the movie "Vanilla Sky"
with, like, Tom Cruise and...
447
00:18:42,543 --> 00:18:44,576
It's about cryopreservation.
448
00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:48,843
Okay, is that the one
that has the matrix in it?
449
00:18:48,909 --> 00:18:51,443
-John: No, I think
that's "The Matrix."
-Okay.
450
00:18:51,509 --> 00:18:53,843
John:
He told you that
the 50th anniversary event
451
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:56,009
was happening soon,
452
00:18:56,076 --> 00:18:59,409
but it wasn't gonna be
for another week.
453
00:18:59,476 --> 00:19:04,143
So you had to kill
a few days in Scottsdale,
454
00:19:04,209 --> 00:19:08,209
uh, until it began.
455
00:19:08,976 --> 00:19:11,943
Crowd (singing):
♪ Sweet Caroline ♪
456
00:19:12,009 --> 00:19:13,843
♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪
457
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:17,043
♪ Good times
never seemed so good ♪
458
00:19:17,109 --> 00:19:20,143
(singing bowl singing)
459
00:19:23,176 --> 00:19:25,143
-(tone fading out)
-John: And what, and what
do you do that for?
460
00:19:25,209 --> 00:19:26,743
So we use these
for meditation
461
00:19:26,809 --> 00:19:29,776
-or to balance out your chakras.
-John: Oh, okay, cool.
462
00:19:30,509 --> 00:19:33,276
It was finally time for Alcor's
50th anniversary party...
463
00:19:33,343 --> 00:19:34,409
♪ ♪
464
00:19:34,476 --> 00:19:36,909
which was taking place
at a resort down the street
465
00:19:36,976 --> 00:19:39,376
from their main headquarters.
466
00:19:39,443 --> 00:19:41,476
And when you walked in,
467
00:19:41,576 --> 00:19:45,409
it seemed like everything
was already in full swing.
468
00:19:45,476 --> 00:19:48,176
This is a chicken potato
croquette
469
00:19:48,243 --> 00:19:50,743
with a smoked tomato aioli.
Please enjoy.
470
00:19:50,809 --> 00:19:52,376
(crowd chattering)
471
00:19:52,443 --> 00:19:55,776
John:
There are a lot more people
there than you expected,
472
00:19:55,843 --> 00:19:59,643
and you wanted to know
what motivated them to,
473
00:19:59,709 --> 00:20:02,076
to get themselves frozen.
474
00:20:02,143 --> 00:20:04,609
If you see the future
as something good,
475
00:20:04,676 --> 00:20:07,409
-you wanna have, uh,
you wanna be there.
-John: Yeah.
476
00:20:07,476 --> 00:20:10,443
-You're signed up?
-Member 1:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
477
00:20:10,509 --> 00:20:13,276
-He takes care of my dad.
-John: Oh, your dad's
already in?
478
00:20:13,343 --> 00:20:14,976
-Yeah. Yep.
-John: Oh, really?
479
00:20:15,076 --> 00:20:16,676
-Yep.
-John: Wow.
480
00:20:16,776 --> 00:20:18,543
Of course, you would wanna
resurrect your parents
481
00:20:18,609 --> 00:20:20,943
if they were dead, and you had
the ability to do that,
482
00:20:21,009 --> 00:20:22,776
and that would go
all the way back
483
00:20:22,843 --> 00:20:24,943
to the first humans. So...
484
00:20:25,009 --> 00:20:27,876
But there are reasons
to resurrect any... somebody.
485
00:20:27,943 --> 00:20:30,376
-It's not... You didn't have
any offspring at all.
-Yeah.
486
00:20:30,443 --> 00:20:33,543
-Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
It's just... Yeah.
-It's like...
487
00:20:33,609 --> 00:20:36,309
-You wanna resurrect everybody.
-It's the Good Samaritan...
488
00:20:36,376 --> 00:20:38,376
-Yeah, the Good Samaritan. Yep.
-Ar-argument.
489
00:20:43,209 --> 00:20:44,843
Yeah. Exactly.
490
00:20:44,909 --> 00:20:47,176
-Are you doing head
or body? Or both?
-Both.
491
00:20:47,243 --> 00:20:49,676
-Me, too... Same.
-I want my body. (laughs)
492
00:20:49,776 --> 00:20:52,709
I actually agree
with the philosophy of, uh,
493
00:20:52,776 --> 00:20:55,676
"First one in, last one out."
494
00:20:55,743 --> 00:20:56,976
John:
And what does that mean?
495
00:20:57,043 --> 00:21:00,043
So, the last person
to get cryopreserved
496
00:21:00,109 --> 00:21:02,609
will have the most
perfect cryopreservation,
497
00:21:02,676 --> 00:21:05,709
so it's easiest to bring back
the last person
498
00:21:05,776 --> 00:21:08,009
that got cryopreserved,
while the ones that were done
499
00:21:08,076 --> 00:21:11,809
in the '60s and '70s
would have sustained more damage
500
00:21:11,876 --> 00:21:14,009
during the cryopreservation
process.
501
00:21:14,076 --> 00:21:16,443
John:
Do you have kids or are you
ever planning on having them?
502
00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:19,176
Uh, they're two and four,
but my son is very much on board
503
00:21:19,243 --> 00:21:22,276
with, uh, having us frozen
because, uh, my father died,
504
00:21:22,376 --> 00:21:24,809
and he, he doesn't, uh,
he doesn't accept that,
505
00:21:24,876 --> 00:21:27,043
and I don't accept
that either, so...
506
00:21:27,109 --> 00:21:30,109
Even if you come back, something
could happen to your body,
507
00:21:30,176 --> 00:21:32,809
and one body is not enough.
508
00:21:32,876 --> 00:21:35,909
I think we need
alternative bodies...
509
00:21:35,976 --> 00:21:38,909
switch bodies,
have a replacement body.
510
00:21:38,976 --> 00:21:39,976
Um...
511
00:21:40,676 --> 00:21:42,376
Very much
like a wardrobe of bodies.
512
00:21:42,443 --> 00:21:45,943
Further, we won't be
just existing in this biosphere,
513
00:21:46,009 --> 00:21:47,176
as lovely as it is.
514
00:21:47,243 --> 00:21:49,743
We'll also be in cybersphere,
515
00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:52,043
and, um, outer space.
516
00:21:52,109 --> 00:21:53,776
So we'll need different bodies
517
00:21:53,843 --> 00:21:55,209
functioning in
different environments.
518
00:21:55,309 --> 00:21:57,009
John:
Are you looking to get in?
519
00:21:57,109 --> 00:21:59,176
-Member 2:
Oh, he's not a cryonicist.
-John: Oh, okay, okay.
520
00:21:59,243 --> 00:22:02,943
What, um, what brought you here
in-individually, I guess?
521
00:22:07,676 --> 00:22:10,976
John:
Oh! (laughs) Okay.
Sorry. I didn't know.
522
00:22:11,809 --> 00:22:14,276
Can I see the facility?
523
00:22:14,343 --> 00:22:16,143
Um, when legal death
is declared,
524
00:22:16,209 --> 00:22:19,176
we move the patient
from the hospital bed
into the ice bath.
525
00:22:19,243 --> 00:22:20,543
(ice rattling)
526
00:22:20,609 --> 00:22:22,976
Cover them with ice.
Uh, I think the record
527
00:22:23,043 --> 00:22:25,343
from the time
when legal death was declared
528
00:22:25,409 --> 00:22:27,509
to moving the patient,
putting ice on them,
529
00:22:27,576 --> 00:22:28,876
starting circulation,
respiration,
530
00:22:28,976 --> 00:22:31,643
giving the medications,
and driving them back to Alcor,
531
00:22:31,709 --> 00:22:33,443
was done in about 35 minutes.
532
00:22:33,509 --> 00:22:35,909
John:
Wow. It's like as fast
as getting a pizza delivered.
533
00:22:35,976 --> 00:22:37,576
Yeah. Yeah.
534
00:22:39,543 --> 00:22:40,743
So this whole unit is secure.
535
00:22:40,809 --> 00:22:42,676
We have metal plates
in the walls,
536
00:22:42,743 --> 00:22:45,343
uh, in case someone tries to
drive a vehicle into the wall
or something.
537
00:22:45,409 --> 00:22:47,109
Who knows what
will happen over the years?
538
00:22:47,176 --> 00:22:48,909
-(loud bang)
-We can't get in there.
539
00:22:48,976 --> 00:22:50,409
In each one of these
Bigfoot dewars,
540
00:22:50,476 --> 00:22:52,043
we can get
four whole-body patients
541
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:53,543
basically around the outside,
542
00:22:53,609 --> 00:22:56,209
and then in the center column,
we can get five neuro patients.
543
00:22:56,276 --> 00:22:57,476
And here, you can see
the containers
544
00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,176
that neuro patients
are secured in.
545
00:22:59,243 --> 00:23:00,909
-John: Those are heads?
-Max More: Yeah.
546
00:23:00,976 --> 00:23:04,576
-John: Wow.
Can we go in at all?
-No. (chuckles)
547
00:23:04,643 --> 00:23:08,209
John:
The Alcor facility
was buzzing with activity.
548
00:23:13,643 --> 00:23:15,943
John:
They also had a wall
of notable members
549
00:23:16,009 --> 00:23:18,109
who were currently
frozen there.
550
00:23:18,176 --> 00:23:21,043
Alcor Employee 1:
She is the youngest
cryo patient.
551
00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:23,209
John:
She's three?
552
00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:24,576
Yeah, two or three.
553
00:23:24,643 --> 00:23:26,876
John:
And they're also currently
in the process
554
00:23:26,943 --> 00:23:28,909
of signing new people up.
555
00:23:28,976 --> 00:23:32,809
Alcor Employee 2:
We need two witnesses
to sign these to show
556
00:23:32,876 --> 00:23:35,143
that the person
who's becoming a member
557
00:23:35,243 --> 00:23:37,876
gives their consent
and willingly knowing
558
00:23:37,943 --> 00:23:40,543
that their body
is given to Alcor.
559
00:23:40,609 --> 00:23:41,809
John:
Well, when did you sign up?
560
00:23:41,876 --> 00:23:43,509
Alcor Employee 1:
I'm actually not
registered yet.
561
00:23:43,576 --> 00:23:47,143
I'm, like so many people,
a cryo-crastinator.
562
00:23:47,209 --> 00:23:50,809
I had actually learned
about cryonics when I was 12,
563
00:23:50,876 --> 00:23:52,709
when Ted Williams,
564
00:23:52,776 --> 00:23:54,909
the baseball player,
was suspended.
565
00:23:54,976 --> 00:23:58,609
And, of course,
I'd seen Han Solo in carbonite.
566
00:23:58,676 --> 00:24:00,809
But, until Ted Williams,
I don't think I knew
567
00:24:00,876 --> 00:24:03,876
that cryonics
was a real practice.
568
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,843
John:
And in the afternoon,
569
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:07,909
they had a bunch of
different speakers lined up
570
00:24:07,976 --> 00:24:10,143
to touch on different aspects
571
00:24:10,209 --> 00:24:13,709
of the cryopreservation
process.
572
00:24:13,776 --> 00:24:17,309
It seems like they've gotten
really good at freezing people,
573
00:24:17,376 --> 00:24:21,176
but as you kept watching,
it became clear
574
00:24:21,243 --> 00:24:25,276
that they didn't actually know
how to unfreeze anyone yet.
575
00:24:25,343 --> 00:24:28,209
So, most of the presentations
were based on
576
00:24:28,276 --> 00:24:31,276
really elaborate
hypothetical scenarios.
577
00:24:31,743 --> 00:24:34,076
(on microphone) So, basically,
assuming cryonics works,
578
00:24:34,143 --> 00:24:37,509
is it possible for you
to be revived and wealthy?
579
00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:39,743
John:
The way you can pay
for cryopreservation
580
00:24:39,809 --> 00:24:42,776
is by taking out
a life insurance policy
581
00:24:42,876 --> 00:24:45,476
and, uh, making Alcor
the beneficiary,
582
00:24:45,543 --> 00:24:46,743
uh, when you die.
583
00:24:47,676 --> 00:24:50,376
Which, ostensibly,
will pay for your storage
584
00:24:50,443 --> 00:24:53,143
and maintenance,
uh, indefinitely.
585
00:24:53,209 --> 00:24:54,876
Hear me loud and clear.
586
00:24:54,943 --> 00:24:58,509
You do not have to be rich
to do cryonics.
587
00:24:58,576 --> 00:25:02,043
You do not have to be rich
to do a cryonics trust.
588
00:25:02,109 --> 00:25:05,143
God, I got, personally,
11 policies
589
00:25:05,209 --> 00:25:07,676
with over three million bucks
of life insurance.
590
00:25:07,743 --> 00:25:10,343
A guy, this gentleman
over here was asking,
"Is that legal?"
591
00:25:10,409 --> 00:25:11,776
I said, "Yeah, it is."
592
00:25:11,843 --> 00:25:14,043
John:
And because they didn't know
how long it would take
593
00:25:14,109 --> 00:25:16,643
for the science to evolve,
594
00:25:16,743 --> 00:25:19,276
they couldn't predict
what sort of culture shock
595
00:25:19,343 --> 00:25:20,743
they would experience.
596
00:25:20,809 --> 00:25:22,343
The people,
your friends and family
597
00:25:22,409 --> 00:25:24,543
that you are
comfortable with,
598
00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:25,576
that you know and love,
599
00:25:25,643 --> 00:25:27,109
are gone in the blink
of an eye.
600
00:25:27,176 --> 00:25:29,643
If you all will look
to your right and your left
601
00:25:29,709 --> 00:25:31,743
and the people in front of you
and behind you,
602
00:25:31,809 --> 00:25:34,843
this is gonna be
your community.
603
00:25:35,476 --> 00:25:38,109
And we're gonna need to rely
and lean on each other.
604
00:25:38,176 --> 00:25:40,643
Yesterday, Max referenced
"The Matrix,"
605
00:25:40,709 --> 00:25:44,243
in which Neo says,
"I know kung fu."
606
00:25:44,309 --> 00:25:46,176
And that's what
I always think about
607
00:25:46,243 --> 00:25:49,143
when, uh, I think
about rehabilitation,
608
00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:52,043
rapid acquisition of knowledge,
609
00:25:52,109 --> 00:25:55,976
and possibly rapidly
updating your, uh, psychology.
610
00:25:56,043 --> 00:25:59,909
So maybe rehabilitation could
be much easier than we think.
611
00:26:01,509 --> 00:26:03,709
Speaker (on microphone):
Was there a question there
or is that a...?
612
00:26:03,776 --> 00:26:05,243
Alcor Employee 1:
Oh, it's just a comment.
613
00:26:05,309 --> 00:26:07,843
John:
It's scary to think
how advanced technology
614
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:11,709
would become by, by the time
you were reanimated.
615
00:26:11,776 --> 00:26:15,276
And even though they planned
to spend hundreds of years
616
00:26:15,343 --> 00:26:18,609
in a refrigerator,
some people still didn't seem
617
00:26:18,676 --> 00:26:21,276
fully prepared
for, for that either.
618
00:26:24,209 --> 00:26:26,243
Okay. Alright.
619
00:26:27,009 --> 00:26:29,076
I've had people complain
it's too warm.
620
00:26:29,143 --> 00:26:30,009
Okay, but we have...
621
00:26:30,143 --> 00:26:31,009
Yes.
622
00:26:33,376 --> 00:26:35,043
Huh. Okay.
623
00:26:35,109 --> 00:26:38,109
John:
The thought of life extension
sounded interesting,
624
00:26:38,176 --> 00:26:40,809
but you still weren't sure
what you would do
625
00:26:40,876 --> 00:26:43,676
with all that extra time.
626
00:26:43,743 --> 00:26:47,843
Would the people of the future
have fun stuff for us to do?
627
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:52,676
Or would we just be
a burden to them?
628
00:26:52,743 --> 00:26:55,943
All these people seem so
confident that they'd be able
629
00:26:56,043 --> 00:26:59,276
to fill an eternity
with activities,
630
00:26:59,343 --> 00:27:02,543
but you barely
have enough ideas
631
00:27:02,609 --> 00:27:06,109
to keep yourself busy
as it is.
632
00:27:06,176 --> 00:27:10,109
And maybe the cryonicists
have more productive ways
633
00:27:10,176 --> 00:27:13,209
to pass the time
they have now.
634
00:27:14,043 --> 00:27:17,509
So, you went up to
an Alcor member's hotel room,
635
00:27:17,576 --> 00:27:19,476
uh, to check out a project
they've been working on.
636
00:27:19,543 --> 00:27:21,609
Chad:
This is a "Bachelor"
spreadsheet, actually,
637
00:27:21,676 --> 00:27:23,543
for season 22 that
I've been going through.
638
00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:25,876
All the players, every play
that they made
639
00:27:25,943 --> 00:27:27,543
during the, the season.
640
00:27:27,609 --> 00:27:29,609
John:
Wow. How many hours do you think
641
00:27:29,709 --> 00:27:31,776
you've spent watching
"The Bachelor" in total?
642
00:27:31,843 --> 00:27:35,243
Oh, God. I mean, when we were
doing the hyper-binge,
643
00:27:35,309 --> 00:27:37,843
it was 10 hours a day,
every day,
644
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:40,676
with maybe we'd take a day off
every other week,
645
00:27:40,743 --> 00:27:43,443
uh, for, like, two and a half,
almost three months.
646
00:27:43,509 --> 00:27:46,209
We've got thousands of pages
of, of typed notes
647
00:27:46,276 --> 00:27:49,876
that are meticulous records of
everything that's ever happened
648
00:27:49,943 --> 00:27:51,876
in almost every frame
of the show.
649
00:27:51,943 --> 00:27:54,843
The first impression rose,
which we call the "FIMP,"
650
00:27:54,909 --> 00:27:56,743
you take the numerical value
of each rose
651
00:27:56,809 --> 00:27:58,409
they had over the course
of the season,
652
00:27:58,476 --> 00:27:59,509
and you divide it,
653
00:27:59,576 --> 00:28:02,376
and that average number
is their rose quotient.
654
00:28:02,476 --> 00:28:05,976
Week five, we had a one-on-one
that Lauren Burnham got.
655
00:28:06,043 --> 00:28:08,743
There was, uh, one kiss,
an awkward edit,
656
00:28:08,809 --> 00:28:10,009
she played walls,
657
00:28:10,076 --> 00:28:12,643
Arie played a PTC, that
his ex had a miscarriage.
658
00:28:12,709 --> 00:28:14,843
-John: What, what's a P...
Uh, what's a PTC?
-Chad: Oh, sorry.
659
00:28:14,909 --> 00:28:16,643
PTC is "personal tragedy card,"
660
00:28:16,709 --> 00:28:19,709
is when a player discusses
some past trauma or tragedy,
661
00:28:19,776 --> 00:28:21,643
and then that very usually
will get them a rose
662
00:28:21,709 --> 00:28:23,109
if they're on a one-on date
or a group date.
663
00:28:23,176 --> 00:28:26,009
Uh, IFI is
"injury, fear, or illness."
664
00:28:26,076 --> 00:28:28,376
Tierra LiCausi is probably
the most well-known
665
00:28:28,443 --> 00:28:30,909
IFI player of all time.
She fell down the stairs,
666
00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:33,743
causing Sean Lowe to spend
an extra amount of time with her
667
00:28:33,809 --> 00:28:35,609
instead of taking AshLee Frazier
on the date.
668
00:28:35,709 --> 00:28:37,476
-At least momentarily.
-John: Think I remember that.
669
00:28:37,543 --> 00:28:38,876
Chad:
Yeah, there's always
that idea of, like,
670
00:28:38,943 --> 00:28:41,276
why am I devoting so much time
and effort toward this thing
671
00:28:41,343 --> 00:28:43,676
that I actually think is bad,
you know?
672
00:28:43,743 --> 00:28:46,009
♪ ♪
673
00:28:47,976 --> 00:28:51,543
John:
Maybe it's dangerous to
have a lot of extra time
674
00:28:51,609 --> 00:28:55,309
if you're not even sure
how to spend it now.
675
00:28:56,676 --> 00:28:59,643
And maybe it would be better
to devote your time
676
00:28:59,709 --> 00:29:02,543
to someone else's life
677
00:29:02,609 --> 00:29:06,409
instead of worrying
about your own.
678
00:29:06,476 --> 00:29:08,376
But, there's still
a part of you
679
00:29:08,476 --> 00:29:12,309
that isn't really sure
about that either.
680
00:29:14,043 --> 00:29:15,876
As the convention
was winding down,
681
00:29:15,943 --> 00:29:18,476
they had a couple
final presentations
682
00:29:18,543 --> 00:29:20,709
and sent everyone off
with a, a cover of
683
00:29:20,776 --> 00:29:22,743
a popular Beatles song.
684
00:29:22,809 --> 00:29:25,276
(singing)
♪ Last night I told my wife ♪
685
00:29:25,343 --> 00:29:27,476
♪ When I'm dead ♪
686
00:29:27,543 --> 00:29:29,643
(instrumental music of
"Please Please Me"
by The Beatles playing)
687
00:29:29,709 --> 00:29:34,176
♪ Please bury me
except for my head ♪
688
00:29:34,243 --> 00:29:35,909
♪ ♪
689
00:29:35,976 --> 00:29:38,776
♪ Come on, come on ♪
690
00:29:38,843 --> 00:29:41,776
-♪ Come on! Come on! ♪
-Audience: Come on!
691
00:29:42,443 --> 00:29:45,343
♪ Please freeze me, oh yeah ♪
692
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:47,643
♪ And I'll freeze you ♪
693
00:29:47,709 --> 00:29:51,109
♪ Oh yeah,
and I'll freeze you ♪
694
00:29:51,176 --> 00:29:53,943
♪ Oh yeah,
and I'll freeze you ♪
695
00:29:54,009 --> 00:29:55,809
-(song ends)
-(applause, cheering)
696
00:29:55,876 --> 00:29:58,409
Performer (on microphone):
Alright! Thank you!
697
00:29:58,476 --> 00:30:00,609
John:
After everything you
saw that weekend,
698
00:30:00,676 --> 00:30:04,009
you still weren't sure
how to feel.
699
00:30:04,076 --> 00:30:06,876
If you honestly
believed cryopreservation
700
00:30:06,943 --> 00:30:10,176
was gonna work, then
it might genuinely make you
701
00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:13,576
a happier person
while you're alive,
702
00:30:13,643 --> 00:30:15,409
because you'll get
a second chance
703
00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:17,576
to do everything over one day.
704
00:30:18,609 --> 00:30:21,343
But, if the science never
really gets to that point,
705
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:24,443
then all your expectations
706
00:30:24,509 --> 00:30:26,976
will just disappear,
707
00:30:27,043 --> 00:30:30,176
and you'll have spent
your whole life
708
00:30:30,243 --> 00:30:32,743
just preparing
for another one.
709
00:30:34,009 --> 00:30:36,309
You're about to
head back to New York,
710
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:38,809
but you went back
to Mike's house before you left
711
00:30:38,876 --> 00:30:41,376
because you still had
712
00:30:41,443 --> 00:30:44,076
one or two things
on your mind.
713
00:30:44,143 --> 00:30:45,743
Do you, do you think
it's selfish
714
00:30:45,809 --> 00:30:48,543
-to, to not have children?
-Say that again?
715
00:30:48,643 --> 00:30:50,343
John:
Like, to choose to
not start a family?
716
00:30:50,409 --> 00:30:53,643
You could look at it
that way. I don't.
717
00:30:53,709 --> 00:30:56,409
But I've been told
it's selfish to,
718
00:30:56,476 --> 00:30:57,976
try to be a cryonicist,
719
00:30:58,043 --> 00:31:00,243
-to want more life...
-John: Hm.
720
00:31:00,309 --> 00:31:01,643
Like we want,
you know?
721
00:31:01,709 --> 00:31:04,209
John:
I feel like some people's way
of life extension
722
00:31:04,276 --> 00:31:05,876
is, is through children.
723
00:31:05,943 --> 00:31:08,743
Well, I'm 75 years old,
724
00:31:08,809 --> 00:31:12,043
and, you know,
I'm not gonna have a family.
725
00:31:12,109 --> 00:31:14,476
But actually, I,
I was just never much oriented
726
00:31:14,543 --> 00:31:16,409
toward that, really.
727
00:31:16,476 --> 00:31:19,276
I just wanted to live
a, a celibate life,
728
00:31:19,343 --> 00:31:21,476
and pretty much felt that way
729
00:31:21,576 --> 00:31:25,176
ever since early adolescence,
and...
730
00:31:25,243 --> 00:31:28,343
-Uh, you know, what can I say?
-John: So...
731
00:31:28,409 --> 00:31:31,176
Like, what happened
in your adolescence?
732
00:31:31,243 --> 00:31:32,276
(Mike laughs)
733
00:31:33,643 --> 00:31:36,476
Alright.
Well, you could consider it
734
00:31:36,543 --> 00:31:38,843
to be acts of self-surgery.
735
00:31:38,909 --> 00:31:43,009
And, admittedly,
that was very peculiar.
736
00:31:43,076 --> 00:31:46,176
But I felt like
I just wanted to be...
737
00:31:46,243 --> 00:31:48,843
You know, the sex drive
was a bothersome thing.
738
00:31:48,909 --> 00:31:50,943
It was a...
It was a real burden for me,
739
00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,276
and I wanted to do something,
740
00:31:53,343 --> 00:31:55,209
cut it down or whatever.
741
00:31:55,309 --> 00:31:59,109
So, I found that after
self-castration
742
00:31:59,176 --> 00:32:02,843
that really I still had
a lot of sexuality
743
00:32:02,909 --> 00:32:04,876
that I didn't want,
and I thought,
744
00:32:04,943 --> 00:32:08,543
well, if I could just cut
some nerves in the penis,
745
00:32:08,609 --> 00:32:11,109
maybe that would relieve that.
746
00:32:11,176 --> 00:32:14,609
And I tried doing that
and I'll have to say this,
747
00:32:14,676 --> 00:32:17,976
that I don't know just exactly
what side effect that had,
748
00:32:18,043 --> 00:32:21,843
but it was really
like a kick in the head.
749
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:25,143
It was much worse, really,
than the other thing.
750
00:32:25,209 --> 00:32:28,909
From, uh,
from 1966 to '69,
751
00:32:29,009 --> 00:32:32,043
those were the years
that I mainly did this thing.
752
00:32:32,709 --> 00:32:36,509
-And, uh...
-John: You were removing
your testicles in secret?
753
00:32:37,176 --> 00:32:38,476
Right.
754
00:32:38,543 --> 00:32:40,709
John:
Why did you feel like you needed
to keep it a secret?
755
00:32:40,776 --> 00:32:44,443
It just... People just think
that's crazy, you know?
756
00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:45,776
They just do.
757
00:32:45,843 --> 00:32:48,376
Just talk to anybody
on the street and say,
758
00:32:48,443 --> 00:32:50,043
"Hey, I know a guy
759
00:32:50,109 --> 00:32:52,409
"that cut off his own testicles
with a razor blade.
760
00:32:52,476 --> 00:32:54,143
What do you think of that?"
761
00:32:54,209 --> 00:32:55,509
"It's crazy!"
762
00:32:56,576 --> 00:32:58,543
John:
Would you like to have
genitals on your body
763
00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:00,976
-when you're reanimated?
-No, I wouldn't.
764
00:33:01,076 --> 00:33:04,476
Actually, I wrote something
many years ago, saying,
765
00:33:05,476 --> 00:33:07,943
"Don't put it on." (laughs)
766
00:33:08,009 --> 00:33:11,176
"Don't, don't put those things
back on me, okay?"
767
00:33:11,243 --> 00:33:14,176
-John: Hm.
-I think that's still
in my paperwork.
768
00:33:14,243 --> 00:33:16,709
I'm an avid genealogist.
769
00:33:16,776 --> 00:33:20,109
I've, I've researched
my ancestry,
770
00:33:20,176 --> 00:33:22,943
and it's a weird feeling, 'cause
I think those people struggled
771
00:33:23,009 --> 00:33:26,376
so hard to have a family,
772
00:33:26,443 --> 00:33:27,709
and look at what I did.
773
00:33:27,776 --> 00:33:30,376
What would they think
if they knew about me?
774
00:33:30,443 --> 00:33:32,476
But, I, I think, well...
775
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:35,843
you know, I hope you...
776
00:33:35,943 --> 00:33:39,376
I hope we... I... We can
get you guys back someday.
777
00:33:40,943 --> 00:33:44,576
(gentle music playing)
778
00:33:44,643 --> 00:33:49,509
John:
Your time in Arizona
had finally come to an end.
779
00:33:49,576 --> 00:33:53,109
But, it's nice to know that if
you ever wanted to come back,
780
00:33:54,509 --> 00:33:57,609
you could always stay
for a lot longer.
781
00:33:57,676 --> 00:34:02,276
♪ ♪
782
00:34:02,343 --> 00:34:03,409
When you got back
to New York,
783
00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:06,443
you went to go visit
your parents' house,
784
00:34:06,509 --> 00:34:10,943
and they had just received
an interesting piece of mail.
785
00:34:11,009 --> 00:34:12,309
(clears throat)
786
00:34:12,376 --> 00:34:16,009
It was a vacation postcard
from my aunt
787
00:34:16,076 --> 00:34:18,608
who had died 20 years ago.
788
00:34:20,209 --> 00:34:22,175
It must've gotten lost behind
789
00:34:22,242 --> 00:34:24,742
one of the sorting
machines for decades.
790
00:34:24,809 --> 00:34:27,608
And although the post office
791
00:34:27,675 --> 00:34:30,943
didn't know if the recipients
would still be here,
792
00:34:31,009 --> 00:34:34,809
they just decided
to send it anyway.
793
00:34:36,276 --> 00:34:41,108
And even though
you know your aunt is gone,
794
00:34:41,175 --> 00:34:45,209
it kinda made it feel like
she was still around.
795
00:34:47,309 --> 00:34:50,276
So, even if you're not sure
796
00:34:50,343 --> 00:34:52,943
when your trip is gonna end,
797
00:34:53,009 --> 00:34:56,276
you're just gonna have to trust
that you're in good hands
798
00:34:56,343 --> 00:34:58,343
along the way.
799
00:34:58,409 --> 00:35:01,676
And hope that the children
of tomorrow
800
00:35:01,743 --> 00:35:05,276
will still want you around.
801
00:35:06,143 --> 00:35:09,176
(soft brass music playing)
802
00:35:18,543 --> 00:35:22,376
So, maybe it's okay
if your package takes a while
803
00:35:22,443 --> 00:35:24,476
to get where it's going,
804
00:35:24,543 --> 00:35:29,609
because it's better than not
having any package at all.
805
00:35:29,676 --> 00:35:32,976
And if you're lucky enough
to wake up in New York
806
00:35:33,043 --> 00:35:35,609
in a few thousand years,
807
00:35:35,676 --> 00:35:38,209
it's nice to know that
some things will never change.
808
00:35:39,576 --> 00:35:42,976
Your neighbor
will always be too loud.
809
00:35:43,043 --> 00:35:45,576
The bathroom
will always be closed.
810
00:35:46,809 --> 00:35:49,543
You'll never be sure
who you can trust.
811
00:35:50,876 --> 00:35:54,743
And New York will never know
when to stop growing.
812
00:35:54,809 --> 00:35:57,109
(band crescendos)
813
00:35:57,176 --> 00:35:59,476
Because,
at the end of the day,
814
00:35:59,543 --> 00:36:03,809
the city is
a reflection of who we are,
815
00:36:03,876 --> 00:36:08,409
and it will always be both
our healer and oppressor.
816
00:36:08,476 --> 00:36:11,576
But, as long as
the first one in
817
00:36:11,643 --> 00:36:14,743
is always the last one out,
818
00:36:14,809 --> 00:36:17,343
you might just have
enough time here
819
00:36:17,409 --> 00:36:19,709
-to, to learn a thing or two.
-(band stops)
820
00:36:19,776 --> 00:36:22,843
(triumphant brass band resumes)
821
00:36:26,043 --> 00:36:27,843
(band plays dramatic finish)
822
00:36:28,043 --> 00:36:29,576
This is John Wilson.
823
00:36:29,643 --> 00:36:33,076
Thank you so much
for watching my movies.
824
00:36:33,143 --> 00:36:36,176
("Goodbye"
by Labi Siffre playing)
825
00:36:42,176 --> 00:36:45,609
♪ Goodbye ♪
826
00:36:46,476 --> 00:36:49,909
♪ Goodbye ♪
827
00:36:50,743 --> 00:36:54,176
♪ Good... ♪
828
00:36:55,576 --> 00:36:59,576
♪ Bye... ♪
829
00:37:05,843 --> 00:37:07,876
(song fades out)
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