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You're happy because... It's something new and something different and
fun that makes life exciting.
Your life is exciting, though, isn't it?
Oh, it has been all my life, yes. It has been all your life.
Okay, so let's get down to the nitty -gritty right off the bat.
You are 64.
No. 63.
No. 60.
No. 50.
No. 40. No. 30. No. 20. No. Not getting home yet, are you?
65. 65?
I was going the wrong way. Right.
I was worried you were playing games with me. No. I am 65.
That's right. It's 2015, isn't it? Yes, it is. I miscalculated. Okay, you're 65.
First time shooting
professionally
on camera?
First time professionally on
camera.
You've been on camera.
I have been on camera. She's not professional.
Just not on a professional.
Okay. You are a swinger.
Have been for almost 40 years.
40 years?
Mm -hmm.
You've been a swingers since you're 25?
About 25, 26, someplace along there. Wow.
That's long.
Wow. Tell me about that. How did you get into swinging 25 years ago? I mean, 50,
40 years ago?
Well, swinging was a lot different back then.
You had to take pictures, and you'd send them into a silly magazine, and then
they'd publish the pictures in the magazine. And basically, if you were
for someone, you'd write them a note or a letter and send it into the magazine,
and then they would send them on to whoever's picture you had picked by
And then you'd answer back and forth. And sometimes it worked out, sometimes
didn't. But that's how you met people back then.
It was a lot different than it is nowadays.
So it was you and your husband. You got into it when you were 25.
His idea or your idea?
His idea.
Okay. But that's the misdemeanor or misnomer that a lot of people don't
understand is that it's usually the husband that can get the people into
swinging, but it's the woman that keeps them in swinging.
How's that?
Because once a woman discovers her sexuality and what she likes in life and
she wants and the adventure of it, then she wants to continue. And sometimes
some men get jealous. Sometimes men find themselves, how should I say it,
feeling inadequate for what they, you know, they would like. And anyway, but
yeah, the women are the ones that keep swinging alive.
How do you talk you into it?
He talked about it and talked about having flirted with this girl or that at
work or somewhere, and he said, well, how about if we do this or that? And it
finally got to be an exciting idea, and I said, well, okay, let's try it.
We met some friends a few years later, and we started playing a little bit.
There was no actual intercourse, but there was just the playing around, and I
found that exciting, and so we just continued on from there. So what's
What was your idea of playing back then?
Hugging, kissing.
A little bit of oral, but just that.
You are from South Dakota.
Originally, yes. Originally from South Dakota. Now you're in Vegas, right?
Correct. Okay.
South Dakota strikes me as not a very liberal place.
No, I wasn't liberal back there at all.
No. So when you were swinging back in, were you back in South Dakota when you
were swinging? No. Where were you? Were you in Nevada?
You said you learned about things you liked that you didn't know you liked
before. Mm -hmm.
What were some of those things?
Oh, it wasn't shortly after that that I found that I really liked women and that
I enjoyed being with my husband, with another woman, and another man. I
You don't like anal. It says exit only.
It says exit only. Okay. So not into anal.
No.
But into gang things?
Have.
Into women?
Yes. Into sharing another woman with your husband?
Yes. Into three ways with two guys?
Three ways with two guys all the time.
Okay.
I know one thing you're into.
I've got to tell you. I was pretty fascinated by it. What's that?
Walking a guy on a leash.
Ah, yes, like I did in New Orleans. Okay. I mean, I did in Key West. Key
I've got to get my story straight. Okay.
Why don't you tell the guys about the... Key West? Your male human dog.
Yes, well, we have a good friend of ours, and he is always going to Fantasy
Fest. And we got to know him, and he got to talk to him one time, and he said he
had heard about a story from a few years previous where I was at a party, and
this big, tall, good -looking guy from Florida handed me a leash, and it was
around his dick.
And my husband and I tell that story every once in a while because we thought
was kind of funny.
Anyway...
This particular gentleman, he had said, God, that just sounds like a fantasy I'd
love to do.
I said, okay, well, how about on fetish night, I can lead you around by your
dick. He goes, oh, yeah.
I had no idea what he was going to wear that night, but he ended up putting on a
little Dalmatian G -string with some spots.
A Dalmatian G -string with spots?
Well, he had the little G -string with the Dalmatian on, and then he had spots
on his skin, little ears, and a little snout thing.
and on his chest it said, Most Obedient Pet.
And so we took and put a collar around his ball and dick and put it on
a leash, and for the evening we walked around Duval Street as him as my most
obedient pet.
And if I'd walk up to some woman, and she was kind of just kind of laughing or
giggling at the fact that I had him on a leash, I'd walk up and just start
jerking the chain up and down, and I'd say,
Look, he's happy to see you. He's wagging his tail.
Or I'd walk up, and some lady would be sitting at a counter at a restaurant,
I'd just lay the leash on the table and say, Excuse me, ma 'am, I need a quick
minute break.
Could you watch my dog for me for a minute? And I'd walk away.
Now, did your friend get any sexual action that night?
No. None? No. No, it wasn't about sex, was it? No, it wasn't about sex. It was
about domination.
About domination. Yeah, and I play domination, but... I don't live that
lifestyle, but when I get an opportunity to play the game, it's fun.
So I do that.
Well, you say you don't live that lifestyle.
How would you describe yourself sexually?
Very open.
Very open.
I have been in a loving relationship and married for, I would say, ancient
days. We've been together a long, long time.
over 40 years now and we've been in the lifestyle for about 37 and 38
and we love life and we enjoy each other and we're each other's best friends and
fortunately we as I call it I call it sport fucking we both enjoy sport
as we sport so so you're a wife wife a mother mother grandmother grandmother
Great -grandmother? No, not yet. Not yet. She better not.
Okay. She's still a little bit young for that, but not too young. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. You're too young for that. You're too young to have a great -grandchild.
Yeah. Okay.
You like to watch him have sex?
Do you?
Do I like to watch him have sex? Watch him have sex, yeah. Watch my husband?
yes. I like participating when we both get to play, yeah.
Okay, and he likes to watch you?
And play.
Okay. So, you've been married.
Wow. I've got to tell you, Alex, you're unusual in the studio.
Oh, really? You've been married once.
Yes, with my one and only. Wow.
I mean, that is unusual.
Usually we get divorces or women who are on their second or third marriage whose
first husband was kind of controlling.
You've never had that, have you? No.
And I will never have that because my husband and I are equal partners.
Neither one of us dominates either.
Okay. So whose idea was it for you to come here?
Some guy that wrote my website.
Oh, really?
Mm -hmm. What did he say? He wrote and said that he was, he really enjoyed my,
have two websites. One was on Southern Charms and the other one's one I've been
doing for about 15 years.
And that's called what?
Allison Swingland.
Okay. Allison Swingland is a, if you really want to know what swinging is
it's about swinging. It's not about doing porno shoots. It's not about, you
know. It's all the real thing, and everything we've ever done video -wise
anything has always just been videotaping a real live orgy, and it's
really well for us.
Okay, you say it's about the real thing, okay?
How do people's conceptions of swinging differ from the real
thing, the way it really is?
A lot of people think that if you go to a nude resort or if you go to, like,
Hedonism in Jamaica or something like that, that you're going to see people
having sex all over the place.
Yeah, you might see somebody having sex here or there, or maybe late in the
evening, at night, you will see people having sex together with other couples
whatever. But swinging is more about the rewards to build your
marriage and not something that you're trying to do to repair your marriage.
You know, it's interesting because you say you've been married to your husband
for 40 years?
Actually, 44.
44 years.
Was he your first?
Okay.
Here's the question, okay?
Okay. If you had never gotten into the swing, he would have been the only
you ever had sex with.
Correct. Wow.
I'm not even sure where to go with that.
That's pretty impressive.
Yeah. You know, sometimes in life...
You expand from where you are as far as what your desires and wants are, and
other times you don't. We found something that we really enjoy, and I
believe that swinging and sex kept us young.
Do you like being washed?
It's fine.
Take it or leave it. I enjoy it. It's kind of fun, but then again, I like my
intimate moments with people too.
Okay, because so many people are going to see you having sex online, in the
magazine. What do you think about that?
What do I think about it? Yeah.
It's kind of a turn -on in some ways, but it's just part of life, how I enjoy
sex. Okay, I got you.
Now, you know, they say that in a recording room, you're never supposed to
question that you don't know the answer to.
Okay. I was just going to ask you about 30 questions that I don't know the
answer to, so I'm going to ask you one more here. Okay.
Louisiana.
Yeah. What happened in Louisiana?
Oh, there's a swing convention that they have there every year called Naughty in
New Orleans.
And years ago, my husband and I and another couple, we designed what
was called a dark room.
Now, a dark room is a room.
where you block out all the lights within the room, and so there is no
be seen in the room, and they just put mattresses on the floor for people to
play on.
Anyway, when I was in New Orleans, I would go in, and one night we came in,
we were going in the darkroom, which is something I really enjoyed because it
was kind of like anonymous sex. You didn't really know who you were with.
It took away all the visual, but you heard all the sounds and the smell and
stuff like that.
Anyway, I went in there.
got in the room and all of a sudden i was surrounded by a bunch of men and
and the smell and the feel of their bodies and stuff i could tell pretty
that they were a group of black guys and i wasn't sure who it was so i was like
okay so i started playing and one guy tipped me over and started fucking me
doggy style and that was a lot of fun and uh played a little while
Had a few dicks here, a few dicks there.
Got tired, went out for a little bit.
Came back about a half an hour, 40 minutes later, decided to go back in and
in the dark room.
Two minutes later, I had like six guys around me again. I'm going, what in the
heck? About the third time it happened, I was the one guy that had originally
been the one that tipped me over. He made it back in there four times with
Anyway, I asked him if I could.
how are you guys finding me? This is a dark room.
He says, well, it's very easy to spot a tall blonde when the light flashes off
of her hair. So we knew what part of the room you were in. So as soon as we saw
you come in, we'd follow you in and then we'd look for your hair.
It was just fun. So about four times later, when he's finally finishing up
last time, he says, how does it feel to have this 21 -year -old dick in your
beautiful pussy?
I said, Wow, 21?
21. Yeah, he was 21.
He was there with his girlfriend at the party.
And I was probably, at that time, I was probably late 50s at the very youngest,
maybe even 61.
Okay. I don't know. That's a big age difference.
Oh, yeah. There was a good 40 years age difference, I'm sure.
40 -year age difference. You're 65.
I'm 65.
Rodney, how old are you?
Twenty -four.
Ooh. Forty -one year age difference.
How about that?
Would that be your biggest?
No. The twenty -one year old was, well.
Yeah. Well, it might be now, it might be the biggest, yeah, because back then I
was probably sixty and he was twenty -one, so yeah.
Twenty -one year age difference.
Yeah, so now this one's a twenty -one year age difference instead of just
nineteen or twenty years, yeah.
Rocky, can you join us for a minute here?
Sure.
Rocky has a cell phone in it.
Oh, well, that's... You could be 19, but you're not.
Ah, you're not 19. All right.
Rocky, how old were you when you started with us? 21, 22?
20. 20?
Why don't you come over to this side, baby?
Ooh. Ooh.
Big one, huh? I am a big one, yes.
Ooh, you look like kind of a cute little boy toy to me.
Ooh, what do we have here?
By the way, Alice, Rocky is a big one.
Even though he might not look that way.
Well, sometimes big things come in small packages. This might be one of those
cases. Yes, it may be.
Beautiful.
Thank you.
Oh, a little shy there. I like that. Here.
Oh, thank you.
Here.
Would you like to see anything with any of you?
No, I'd like her to do whatever she wants. I think she's kind of getting
Oh, well, yeah, because you gave me something cuter to play with.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Oh.
Oh,
my
gosh.
Cute little boy toy.
Cute little boy.
A little boy toy.
Let's see what's under here.
Whoa, looks like this man's been at the gym a few days.
Oh, look at that.
Oh, wow.
Did you grab any one of those pillows?
Let me see if I can do something.
Wow,
what a nice cock.
Great eye.
Come a little closer here.
Gosh,
that macaque is so beautiful.
Thank you.
Really hot.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
Thank you.
I don't know.
I want this big cock.
Could you fuck me with this big cock?
Oh, yeah, nice and slow.
Oh, yeah, give me that big duck.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yes.
Oh, it's filling me up so nice.
Oh, God, what a hot young boy toy.
Thank you.
Deep inside.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's it. Oh.
Oh, God. Oh,
wow.
Oh, yeah.
Let me ride that.
Oh, yeah.
Oh. Oh.
Oh. Oh.
Oh, I love you.
Amen.
oh my gosh oh god you're hitting my g -spot
Turn over again on that big dick of yours.
My face and titties. Oh, please.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Give it all to me.
Go.
watching because I sure had an awesome time.
I love to take control of a little boy toy and have him pleasure me.
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