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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:09,908 My film is not a movie. 2 00:00:12,645 --> 00:00:15,512 My film is not about Vietnam. 3 00:00:17,417 --> 00:00:18,941 It is Vietnam. 4 00:00:19,953 --> 00:00:22,820 It's what it was really like. It was crazy. 5 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:28,652 And the way we made it was very much 6 00:00:28,762 --> 00:00:31,731 like the way the Americans were in Vietnam. 7 00:00:32,098 --> 00:00:33,998 We were in the jungle. 8 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:36,301 There were too many of us. 9 00:00:39,205 --> 00:00:42,106 We had access to too much money, 10 00:00:43,943 --> 00:00:45,877 too much equipment, 11 00:00:46,379 --> 00:00:49,246 and little by little, we went insane. 12 00:01:39,265 --> 00:01:41,495 This movie I'm making is not in the tradition 13 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:44,627 of the great Max Ophoels or David Lean even, 14 00:01:45,004 --> 00:01:48,496 This movie was made in the tradition of Irwin Allen. 15 00:01:50,009 --> 00:01:54,969 I made the most vulgar, entertaining, 16 00:01:55,081 --> 00:01:58,244 exciting, action-full, sensoramic, 17 00:01:59,886 --> 00:02:01,945 give-them-a-new-thrill- every-five-minutes, 18 00:02:02,055 --> 00:02:04,683 have it everything, sex, violence, humor, 19 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:08,856 because I want people to come and see it. 20 00:02:09,696 --> 00:02:13,462 But the questions that I kept facing or running into, 21 00:02:13,566 --> 00:02:17,195 into the stupid script about four guys going up to kill a guy... 22 00:02:17,303 --> 00:02:18,930 But that was the story. 23 00:02:19,038 --> 00:02:23,407 But the questions that that story kept putting me, I couldn't answer. 24 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:26,570 Yet I knew that I had constructed the film in such a way 25 00:02:26,679 --> 00:02:29,512 that to not answer would be to fail. 26 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:14,424 The film Francis is making is a metaphor for a journey into self. 27 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:17,826 He has made that journey and is still making it. 28 00:03:18,798 --> 00:03:21,699 It's scary to watch someone you love go into the center of himself 29 00:03:21,801 --> 00:03:23,632 and confront his fears, 30 00:03:23,736 --> 00:03:27,866 fear of failure, fear of death, fear of going insane. 31 00:03:27,974 --> 00:03:31,273 You have to fail a little, die a little, go insane a little, 32 00:03:31,377 --> 00:03:33,004 to come out the other side. 33 00:03:33,112 --> 00:03:35,706 The process is not over for Francis. 34 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:40,078 My greatest fear is to make a really shitty, 35 00:03:40,186 --> 00:03:44,054 embarrassing, pompous film on an important subject, 36 00:03:44,157 --> 00:03:45,818 and I am doing it. 37 00:03:47,493 --> 00:03:49,358 I confront it. I acknowledge. 38 00:03:49,462 --> 00:03:53,694 I will tell you right straight from the most sincere depths of my heart, 39 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,791 the film will not be good. 40 00:03:58,004 --> 00:04:01,030 It's like going to school. You finish your term paper 41 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:03,404 and maybe you get a B instead of an A* that you wanted, 42 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:04,498 so you got a B. 43 00:04:04,611 --> 00:04:06,636 But I'm gonna get an F. 44 00:04:16,122 --> 00:04:20,286 This film is a $20-million disaster. Why won't anyone believe me? 45 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:22,691 I am thinking of shooting myself! 46 00:04:42,515 --> 00:04:43,846 Good evening. 47 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:46,646 This is Orson Welles inviting you to listen now 48 00:04:46,753 --> 00:04:49,551 to The Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. 49 00:04:53,259 --> 00:04:55,989 Imagine the feelings of a skipper of a fine frigate or a bark. 50 00:04:56,095 --> 00:04:59,189 A civilized man at the very end of the world. 51 00:04:59,532 --> 00:05:01,864 He'd land in a swamp, march through the woods, 52 00:05:01,968 --> 00:05:05,096 and in some inland post feel the savagery, 53 00:05:05,204 --> 00:05:09,072 the utter savagery that stirs in the forests and the jungles 54 00:05:09,676 --> 00:05:11,803 in the hearts of wild men. 55 00:05:15,948 --> 00:05:19,042 In 1939, Orson Welles planned to make Heart of Darkness 56 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:21,120 as his first motion picture. 57 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:24,154 Heart of Darkness is the story of a ship captain's journey 58 00:05:24,257 --> 00:05:27,351 up the Congo River to find Mr. Kurtz, an ivory trader 59 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:29,758 stationed deep in the jungle. 60 00:05:29,862 --> 00:05:34,060 A brilliant man of high ideals, Kurtz intends to enlighten the natives. 61 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,397 Instead, he succumbs to the primal temptations 62 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:38,732 of the jungle and goes insane. 63 00:05:40,907 --> 00:05:42,875 Screen tests were done with Welles as Kurtz 64 00:05:42,975 --> 00:05:44,636 and sets were designed, 65 00:05:44,744 --> 00:05:46,575 but the studio backed away from the project, 66 00:05:46,679 --> 00:05:49,580 fearing the elaborate production would go over budget. 67 00:05:49,682 --> 00:05:52,276 Welles made Citizen Kane instead. 68 00:05:52,385 --> 00:05:55,684 Heart of Darkness was abandoned in pre-production. 69 00:05:58,057 --> 00:06:01,584 In 1969, Francis founded American Zoetrope, 70 00:06:01,694 --> 00:06:05,687 a company dedicated to filmmaking outside of the Hollywood system. 71 00:06:05,798 --> 00:06:08,494 One of their first projects was Apocalypse Now, 72 00:06:08,601 --> 00:06:12,196 a Vietnam War story based loosely on Heart of Darkness. 73 00:06:12,305 --> 00:06:15,138 Apocalypse Now concerns a Captain Willard on his mission 74 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:18,506 to assassinate a Green Beret colonel named Kurtz. 75 00:06:18,611 --> 00:06:19,873 Kurtz has gone insane 76 00:06:19,979 --> 00:06:23,312 and is conducting the war on his own terms deep in Cambodia. 77 00:06:23,416 --> 00:06:25,884 George Lucas was to direct John Milius' screenplay. 78 00:06:26,619 --> 00:06:29,884 Francis said that Heart of Darkness, 79 00:06:29,989 --> 00:06:32,583 which was one of my favorite things I'd ever read, 80 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:37,587 he said it had been tried and no one could lick it. 81 00:06:37,697 --> 00:06:41,292 He said that Orson Welles tried it and he couldn't lick it. 82 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:44,063 Richard Brooks, I think, or somebody else... 83 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:47,435 That's the best thing to tell a young writing student, 84 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:50,270 you know, say, "No one could possibly write this." 85 00:06:50,376 --> 00:06:52,003 That was the first thing I tried. 86 00:06:54,547 --> 00:06:56,378 The war was raging then, 87 00:06:56,482 --> 00:06:59,679 and everybody was either getting set to go or to get out of it 88 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:01,777 or whatever they were going to do. 89 00:07:01,888 --> 00:07:05,619 And we prepared a method of doing this whole thing in Vietnam. 90 00:07:05,725 --> 00:07:08,558 We were going to do it in 16 millimeter in Vietnam. 91 00:07:08,661 --> 00:07:11,630 That was John's idea. That was John's idea. 92 00:07:11,731 --> 00:07:15,167 I was the one that was gonna have to go over and do it. 93 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:18,704 John is very good at being grand. 94 00:07:19,405 --> 00:07:25,037 We would have been there right in time for Tet, probably and whatever. 95 00:07:25,144 --> 00:07:27,874 And all these people that were in school with me 96 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:31,108 who'd done terrible things or were planning to go to Canada, 97 00:07:31,217 --> 00:07:35,210 do something as drastic as getting married to avoid the war, 98 00:07:35,321 --> 00:07:37,983 they were willing to go to Vietnam. They didn't care. 99 00:07:38,090 --> 00:07:43,357 They wanted to carry lights and sound equipment over minefields. 100 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:45,761 And I think that Warner Brothers finally backed off on it 101 00:07:45,865 --> 00:07:49,062 because they figured most of us would probably be killed 102 00:07:49,168 --> 00:07:51,534 because we were so stupid. 103 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:54,629 We then tried to take Apocalypse around to all the other studios. 104 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:57,766 Nobody wanted to have anything to do with it and they just..."No way." 105 00:07:57,877 --> 00:07:58,935 Why? 106 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:02,071 Because it was during the war and there was a lot of... 107 00:08:02,181 --> 00:08:04,672 I don't know whether it was pressure or just fear or whatever, 108 00:08:04,784 --> 00:08:07,218 but the studios would not finance a film about the Vietnam War. 109 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,388 People were so bitter about the war, you know, 110 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,583 that there were riots. Remember, we were living at a time 111 00:08:12,692 --> 00:08:14,216 when there really were riots on the streets. 112 00:08:14,327 --> 00:08:16,921 People were spitting on soldiers. 113 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:21,056 And studio executives, they're the last people 114 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:24,159 who are gonna get in the middle of that thing. 115 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:29,139 Studio executives are not noted for their social courage. 116 00:08:30,643 --> 00:08:33,203 Without a studio, Apocalypse Now was shelved, 117 00:08:33,312 --> 00:08:36,213 and Francis put his dreams for Zoetrope on hold. 118 00:08:36,315 --> 00:08:39,307 He went on to direct The Godfather Parts I and II. 119 00:08:39,418 --> 00:08:43,878 The films won eight Academy Awards and made Francis a multimillionaire. 120 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:46,959 In 1975, he revived his plans for Zoetrope 121 00:08:47,059 --> 00:08:50,085 and chose Apocalypse Now as its first project. 122 00:08:50,863 --> 00:08:54,299 I was in the position whereas I wanted to always write original work. 123 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:58,994 Original work really takes six, eight months minimum to do, 124 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:00,572 and here was the script of Apocalypse 125 00:09:00,673 --> 00:09:04,609 that we could clean up and send out immediately. 126 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:06,234 So I basically said, 127 00:09:06,345 --> 00:09:08,813 "Well, what if I just did Apocalypse Now?" 128 00:09:08,915 --> 00:09:10,007 And in doing so, 129 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:15,213 we were able to make our company independent and further our goal. 130 00:09:15,721 --> 00:09:20,158 But nothing really prepared me for the date I had 131 00:09:20,259 --> 00:09:23,990 with trying to do a modern telling of Heart of Darkness 132 00:09:24,096 --> 00:09:26,223 in a Vietnam setting. 133 00:09:26,332 --> 00:09:28,300 Mike, would you read Kilgore? 134 00:09:28,968 --> 00:09:33,667 Glenn, I'd like you to read... No. I'll wait for a minute. 135 00:09:33,773 --> 00:09:37,265 I'd like Tommy, you read Willard. 136 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:40,544 Freddy's gonna read Chef. 137 00:09:40,646 --> 00:09:42,637 And, Sam, you read Lance. 138 00:09:43,449 --> 00:09:45,212 And, Albert, you read Chief, okay? 139 00:09:45,318 --> 00:09:47,513 Let's just... What we'll do now, we'll just read it, just to read it, 140 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:49,087 to know what we're doing. 141 00:09:49,689 --> 00:09:53,181 Apocalypse Now has been budgeted at $13 million. 142 00:09:53,292 --> 00:09:58,127 In order to maintain creative control, Francis had to raise the money himself. 143 00:09:58,230 --> 00:10:02,189 If the film goes over budget, Francis is responsible. 144 00:10:02,301 --> 00:10:04,997 He has put up our personal assets as collateral. 145 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:09,302 A couple of million dollars of Francis' money was in it. 146 00:10:09,408 --> 00:10:11,273 But that was Francis' style. 147 00:10:11,510 --> 00:10:16,311 His philosophy was always, and remains to this date is, 148 00:10:16,415 --> 00:10:18,940 "I'm gonna go and make the movie. 149 00:10:19,051 --> 00:10:22,214 "And if everybody knows I'm going to make it, 150 00:10:22,321 --> 00:10:23,515 "it will fall into place. 151 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:28,253 "And if I don't go forward as if I'm making it and start making it, 152 00:10:28,361 --> 00:10:30,226 "nothing will happen." 153 00:10:32,198 --> 00:10:36,430 My attitude towards money has always been, "I don't have very much of it, 154 00:10:36,535 --> 00:10:41,768 "but if I use it in a very audacious way, it multiplies it." 155 00:10:41,874 --> 00:10:47,005 If you have $1,000, but you're willing to use it, really not caring of risking, 156 00:10:47,113 --> 00:10:49,013 you can make it feel like $10,000. 157 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:53,884 Marlon Brando has sent word that he will do the part of Kurtz. 158 00:10:53,986 --> 00:10:58,389 Brando has agreed to three weeks of shooting at a million dollars a week. 159 00:10:58,491 --> 00:11:01,483 Francis sent him a $1 million advance. 160 00:11:04,797 --> 00:11:06,731 After auditioning dozens of actors, 161 00:11:06,832 --> 00:11:09,027 Harvey Keitel has been cast as Captain Willard. 162 00:11:10,403 --> 00:11:13,270 For the four-man boat crew who will take Willard upriver, 163 00:11:13,372 --> 00:11:15,465 Sam Bottoms will play Lance. 164 00:11:16,709 --> 00:11:18,472 Albert Hall, Chief. 165 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:22,712 Frederic Forrest, Chef, 166 00:11:22,815 --> 00:11:26,717 and Larry Fishburne, age 1 4, will play Mr. Clean. 167 00:11:26,819 --> 00:11:30,687 The whole thing's really fun. I mean, a war is fun. Shit. 168 00:11:31,023 --> 00:11:32,490 You can do anything you want to. 169 00:11:32,591 --> 00:11:35,287 That's why Vietnam must have been so much fun 170 00:11:35,394 --> 00:11:38,261 for the guys that were out there. 171 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:41,959 I mean, like, I know this one dude who came back. Shit. 172 00:11:42,068 --> 00:11:45,333 And he's nothing but a dope smoker, and all he does is smoke dope. 173 00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:49,204 He said, "Vietnam was the best thing they could have done for my ass." 174 00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:00,245 The Philippines has been chosen as the location 175 00:12:00,352 --> 00:12:03,947 because of its similarity to the terrain in Vietnam. 176 00:12:04,056 --> 00:12:06,320 Since the US Army has refused to cooperate 177 00:12:06,425 --> 00:12:08,916 with a movie about the Vietnam War, 178 00:12:09,028 --> 00:12:13,260 Francis has made a deal with Philippine President, Ferdinand Marcos. 179 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:17,462 The production will pay the military thousands of dollars per day 180 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:20,801 as well as overtime for the Philippine pilots. 181 00:12:20,906 --> 00:12:24,933 In return, Francis can use Marcos' entire fleet of helicopters 182 00:12:25,044 --> 00:12:29,174 as long as they're not needed to fight the communist insurgency in the south. 183 00:12:29,648 --> 00:12:31,946 A band of rebels has been waging a fierce war 184 00:12:32,051 --> 00:12:35,384 for control of the southern Philippine islands. 185 00:12:37,123 --> 00:12:40,024 But the real phenomenon of being in that situation, 186 00:12:40,126 --> 00:12:42,321 being in the middle of that jungle 187 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:46,228 and dealing with all the unfriendly elements that we were dealing with 188 00:12:46,332 --> 00:12:48,323 was part of what the movie was about. 189 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:54,669 That was the first directorial decision that put us all in a circumstance 190 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:58,073 that reflected, you know, what the movie was about. 191 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:08,117 I gave him all the information that we had developed 192 00:13:08,220 --> 00:13:09,983 on shooting in the Philippines. 193 00:13:10,089 --> 00:13:12,023 I said, "Francis, it's one thing to go over there 194 00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:14,854 "for three weeks with, like, five people 195 00:13:14,994 --> 00:13:20,398 "and sort of scrounge a lot footage using the Philippine army. 196 00:13:20,499 --> 00:13:22,490 "But if you go over there as a big Hollywood production, 197 00:13:22,601 --> 00:13:24,762 "they're gonna kill you, you know. 198 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:27,634 "The longer you stay, the more in danger you are 199 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:30,208 "of getting sucked into the swamp." 200 00:13:34,413 --> 00:13:38,144 On March 1st, I came to the Philippines with Francis and our three children, 201 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:41,447 Gio, 12, Roman, 10, 202 00:13:41,554 --> 00:13:43,021 and Sofia, four. 203 00:13:44,557 --> 00:13:46,821 Francis has asked me to make a documentary film 204 00:13:46,926 --> 00:13:49,451 for the United Artists publicity department. 205 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:52,554 I don't know if he wants to avoid the addition of a professional team 206 00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:57,261 on an already-overloaded production or if he's just trying to keep me busy. 207 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:00,931 The heat and humidity are overwhelming. 208 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,304 It's the first time any of us have seen water buffalo, 209 00:14:03,409 --> 00:14:05,707 rice paddies and nipa huts. 210 00:14:05,811 --> 00:14:09,372 Sofia said, "It looks like the Disneyland jungle cruise." 211 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:22,217 Today, I shot some footage of the construction 212 00:14:22,328 --> 00:14:24,956 at the main set, Kurtz's compound. 213 00:14:25,064 --> 00:14:27,589 It is supposed to be a decaying Cambodian temple 214 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:28,689 at the end of the river 215 00:14:28,801 --> 00:14:32,134 where the character of Willard will confront Kurtz. 216 00:14:33,172 --> 00:14:35,037 Dean Tavoularis, the production designer, 217 00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:36,937 is orchestrating the construction of the temple 218 00:14:37,042 --> 00:14:40,569 out of dried adobe blocks, each weighing 300 pounds. 219 00:14:56,662 --> 00:14:59,290 There were 600 people working on this thing. 220 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:00,387 In Hollywood or New York, 221 00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:02,399 if you want another person, it's quite a big deal. 222 00:15:02,501 --> 00:15:05,402 With the fringes and their salary, it's thousands of dollars. 223 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:09,370 So, for a dollar a day or three dollars a day, 224 00:15:09,475 --> 00:15:12,842 I hope we weren't taking advantage of people, but that's what they were paid. 225 00:15:13,712 --> 00:15:18,172 So, you could get not one person. You could get 10 or 20 or 100. 226 00:15:28,527 --> 00:15:30,995 Ever since I was a student in college, 227 00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:33,894 we used to do a thing before every production, 228 00:15:33,999 --> 00:15:35,796 and since I've been making films, we did it, 229 00:15:35,901 --> 00:15:38,597 and it made those films have good luck. 230 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:41,663 And what it is... 231 00:15:41,774 --> 00:15:44,208 Everyone kind of just grab someone or touch someone 232 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:45,777 that's connected with everyone. 233 00:15:45,878 --> 00:15:47,937 Gather round so that everybody can see. 234 00:15:48,047 --> 00:15:50,015 - Good luck. - Good luck. 235 00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:55,920 And then we say this word three times. "Puwaba." 236 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:00,289 - What's the word? - Puwaba. 237 00:16:00,392 --> 00:16:01,882 Puwaba. 238 00:16:01,994 --> 00:16:03,052 One, two, three. 239 00:16:03,162 --> 00:16:05,528 Puwaba, puwaba, puwaba! 240 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:07,121 Hey! 241 00:16:11,937 --> 00:16:15,532 It's the first day of shooting. There's a current of excitement. 242 00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:18,610 The location is a salt farm next to a river. 243 00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:22,738 In the scene, a helicopter brings Willard to meet the patrol boat 244 00:16:22,848 --> 00:16:24,748 that will take him on his mission. 245 00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:26,977 Okay. Stand by! 246 00:16:28,787 --> 00:16:30,152 Action! 247 00:16:42,634 --> 00:16:45,535 On one level, the film is an action-adventure story. 248 00:16:45,637 --> 00:16:49,073 It's a story of a journey into a strange and unknown area, 249 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:53,508 but it also will hopefully exist on a philosophical and allegorical level, 250 00:16:53,612 --> 00:16:57,571 so that, ultimately, my desire is that it sheds some light 251 00:16:57,683 --> 00:17:02,279 on the events that took place and why they took place 252 00:17:02,388 --> 00:17:04,151 and what it did to the people involved in them. 253 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:14,563 Almost we are persuaded that there is something after all, 254 00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:19,831 something essential waiting for all of us in the dark areas of the world, 255 00:17:19,938 --> 00:17:23,169 aboriginally loathsome, immeasurable, 256 00:17:24,009 --> 00:17:26,102 and certainly, nameless. 257 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:41,526 Last night, Francis watched the footage from the first week's shooting. 258 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:44,994 They were the scenes with Harvey Keitel, who plays Willard. 259 00:17:45,097 --> 00:17:48,328 Afterward, he sat down on the couch with the editors and said, 260 00:17:48,434 --> 00:17:50,402 "Well, what do you think?" 261 00:17:50,502 --> 00:17:52,697 I went upstairs to say good night to the children, 262 00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:55,433 and when I came down 1 5 minutes later, 263 00:17:55,541 --> 00:17:58,840 Francis had made the decision to replace his leading man. 264 00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:06,113 We bit the bullet and did a very, very unpleasant thing, 265 00:18:06,218 --> 00:18:09,483 which is replace an actor in mid-shooting. 266 00:18:09,588 --> 00:18:12,056 Not only unpleasant, but expensive, 267 00:18:12,157 --> 00:18:16,184 since we had to throw out several weeks of work and start over. 268 00:18:17,262 --> 00:18:18,524 Take one. 269 00:18:20,999 --> 00:18:22,227 Action. 270 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:24,762 What do you think, Willard? 271 00:18:26,505 --> 00:18:29,133 Terminate the Colonel. 272 00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:34,338 Terminate with extreme prejudice. 273 00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:40,646 Two days ago, Francis shaved off his beard and flew to Los Angeles. 274 00:18:40,752 --> 00:18:43,687 He met with Martin Sheen at the airport. 275 00:18:44,189 --> 00:18:47,249 Marty agreed to take the role of Willard. 276 00:18:48,093 --> 00:18:51,494 I had some personal concerns about my own physical condition. 277 00:18:51,597 --> 00:18:56,694 I was 36 at the time, and I felt old and out of shape, 278 00:18:56,802 --> 00:19:01,296 and I was smoking three packs a day, not a healthy guy. 279 00:19:02,307 --> 00:19:05,640 I wondered if I'd be able to keep up a strenuous schedule. 280 00:19:05,744 --> 00:19:10,511 At the time I hired on, I remember it was only a 16-week shoot, 281 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:14,713 which didn't prove to be the case, 282 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,287 but who knew that at the time? 283 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:27,291 It is the fifth week of shooting. 284 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:30,300 It's getting hotter as we move into summer. 285 00:19:30,402 --> 00:19:33,303 Every day, the project seems to get bigger. 286 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:40,937 Now, what I want is, let's say, five helicopters, right? 287 00:19:42,648 --> 00:19:45,549 Then you have a camera here, a camera there. 288 00:19:45,651 --> 00:19:47,676 I want two cameras at once. 289 00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:50,949 We'll have a camera with Enrico inside the Loach. 290 00:19:51,056 --> 00:19:52,045 In the script, 291 00:19:52,157 --> 00:19:56,116 a helicopter unit led by a brash air cavalry colonel named Kilgore 292 00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:57,752 leads an attack on a coastal village 293 00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:02,493 in order to escort Willard's boat into the river that will lead him to Kurtz. 294 00:20:02,601 --> 00:20:05,161 This scene with all the extras and special effects 295 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:08,933 is the most logistically complicated of Francis' career. 296 00:20:18,984 --> 00:20:21,418 Francis was always reminding me. 297 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:24,989 He says, "Vittorio, remember, this is not just a documentary 298 00:20:25,090 --> 00:20:26,921 "about the war in Vietnam. 299 00:20:27,025 --> 00:20:30,688 "This is a main show in the sense that wherever America goes, 300 00:20:30,796 --> 00:20:33,560 "they make a big show on everything. 301 00:20:34,333 --> 00:20:35,357 "They make a big event. 302 00:20:35,467 --> 00:20:39,062 "They make a big show about lights, music. 303 00:20:39,871 --> 00:20:43,739 "Even the idea to put Wagner on during the battle sequence, 304 00:20:43,842 --> 00:20:45,639 "it's part of the show. It's part of the opera. 305 00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:50,772 "It's part of the major fantasy that American people has." 306 00:21:36,194 --> 00:21:38,094 - Tell them to cut. - Cutting. 307 00:21:38,196 --> 00:21:40,562 - Very good. - All cameras are cutting! 308 00:21:40,666 --> 00:21:43,464 You know, just at the last scene, the third trip, 309 00:21:43,568 --> 00:21:46,799 when the Huey come, 310 00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:48,736 they pass too high. 311 00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:51,840 Okay. This is Coppola. 312 00:21:51,943 --> 00:21:55,572 All aircraft, all Hornets, all picture aircraft, 313 00:21:55,681 --> 00:21:59,242 everyone land in the rice paddies. We'll have a meeting. 314 00:21:59,918 --> 00:22:01,886 Because of the civil war in the south, 315 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,012 everyday, the government sends different pilots 316 00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:06,488 who haven't participated in the rehearsals, 317 00:22:06,591 --> 00:22:09,958 wrecking tens of thousands of dollars worth of shots. 318 00:22:11,296 --> 00:22:14,823 All day today, a Philippine air force general was on the set. 319 00:22:14,933 --> 00:22:18,767 There were rumors that the rebels were in the hills about 10 miles away. 320 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:20,462 The Filipino commanders were afraid 321 00:22:20,572 --> 00:22:23,700 there could be an attack on the helicopters we were using. 322 00:22:23,809 --> 00:22:25,640 In the middle of a complicated shot, 323 00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:29,180 the helicopters were called away to fight the rebels. 324 00:22:29,281 --> 00:22:30,248 So, what? 325 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:34,046 - They're taking away five. - Five? They said two. 326 00:22:34,152 --> 00:22:35,881 Wait a second. Stand by. 327 00:22:35,987 --> 00:22:38,751 We just heard they're taking away five of our helicopters. 328 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:40,347 Should we do it? 329 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,824 The Huey go away. 330 00:22:45,731 --> 00:22:47,722 We'll do it next week. 331 00:23:01,313 --> 00:23:04,373 There have been stories in the press about production problems with the film. 332 00:23:04,483 --> 00:23:06,951 Has the filming been delayed? 333 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:11,546 Well, we're behind, but we have not stopped shooting at all. 334 00:23:11,656 --> 00:23:14,284 I mean, it's just that the film is enormous. 335 00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:17,453 I would say it's twice the scope 336 00:23:17,562 --> 00:23:20,087 in terms of the production of any film I've done, 337 00:23:20,198 --> 00:23:22,063 including the two Godfathers together. 338 00:23:22,167 --> 00:23:25,193 And it's such an enormous film with so many different aspects. 339 00:23:25,303 --> 00:23:29,069 We're out here hacking inch by inch. 340 00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:32,439 We are up against, everyday, 100 problems. 341 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:34,739 It's like a great war itself. 342 00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:40,509 Change! 343 00:23:40,619 --> 00:23:41,950 You mean right now, sir? 344 00:23:42,053 --> 00:23:44,988 I want to see how ride-able that stuff is. Go change! 345 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:46,614 It's still pretty hairy out there, sir. 346 00:23:46,725 --> 00:23:48,886 - You want to surf, soldier? - Yes, sir. 347 00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:52,555 That's good, son, 'cause you either surf or fight. That clear? 348 00:23:52,664 --> 00:23:53,995 Now, get going! 349 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:57,694 I guess these air cavalry guys did some pretty crazy stuff. 350 00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,670 I heard from some of the technical advisors 351 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:04,071 stories about the air cavalry that were real, 352 00:24:04,976 --> 00:24:08,377 that would serve my fulfilling fiction, 353 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,711 that they really did, you know, like, for instance, 354 00:24:11,817 --> 00:24:15,082 a guy would go into his helicopter in North Vietnam 355 00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:19,317 and try to hook a bicycle and steal it with the runner. 356 00:24:19,825 --> 00:24:20,792 And they would shoot at him. 357 00:24:20,892 --> 00:24:22,291 He'd hover a while until they stopped shooting. 358 00:24:22,394 --> 00:24:24,385 Then they'd finally hook the bicycle and stole... 359 00:24:24,496 --> 00:24:28,227 It's like games to break up the boredom of being in that war. 360 00:24:29,067 --> 00:24:30,967 Men play strange games. 361 00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:44,714 I love the smell of napalm in the morning. 362 00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:47,376 You know, one time, we had a hill bombed for 12 hours. 363 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:50,216 And when it was all over, I walked up. 364 00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:54,355 We didn't find one of them, not one stinking dink body. 365 00:24:56,628 --> 00:24:59,392 The smell, you know, that gasoline smell... 366 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:03,332 The whole hill smelled like 367 00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:07,865 victory. 368 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:15,477 Someday, this war's going to end. 369 00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:20,379 It was a combination of not just Heart of Darkness, 370 00:25:20,485 --> 00:25:21,918 but, like, the Odyssey. 371 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:23,783 Kilgore was like the Cyclops. 372 00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:27,655 He was something that had to be overcome, had to be tricked. 373 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:31,126 And then the Playboy Bunnies were like the Sirens. 374 00:25:35,233 --> 00:25:38,669 This sure enough is a bizarre sight in the middle of this shit. 375 00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:45,542 The war was taking on an interesting character, 376 00:25:45,644 --> 00:25:48,772 and it was becoming a psychedelic war, you know. 377 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,783 The culture was influencing, sort of seeping into Southeast Asia. 378 00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:58,117 The strange US culture that was going on 379 00:25:59,824 --> 00:26:03,282 where you really get a tone that it is a rock-and-roll war, 380 00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:08,355 that things have gone a little further than anyone realized. 381 00:26:10,869 --> 00:26:12,166 At the point when we were developing this, 382 00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:14,363 nobody knew that there were drugs over there. 383 00:26:14,472 --> 00:26:17,441 Nobody knew all the craziness that was going on. 384 00:26:17,542 --> 00:26:19,339 A lot was being kept back. 385 00:26:19,444 --> 00:26:20,843 So it was a chance to really make a movie 386 00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:23,506 that would reveal a lot of things. 387 00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:28,079 What we'd done is strung together all of John's anecdotes 388 00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:29,983 and some of the things that he had from his friends 389 00:26:30,088 --> 00:26:32,113 who had been fighting over there. 390 00:26:32,223 --> 00:26:35,488 And it was really a quest or a trek or something 391 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:39,894 that would take us through the various aspects of the Vietnam War, 392 00:26:39,998 --> 00:26:43,195 and we would see it for the insanity that it was. 393 00:26:43,868 --> 00:26:48,328 At that point, we had it ending in a very large battle with the Viet Cong 394 00:26:50,141 --> 00:26:53,633 and having Willard and the Kurtz character 395 00:26:53,745 --> 00:26:55,679 fighting off all the Viet Cong. 396 00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,442 And then when they bring in the helicopters to bring his men out, 397 00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:00,017 he says, "No, I fought too hard for this land," 398 00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:01,949 and he shoots down the helicopter. 399 00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:10,655 "I summon fire from the sky. 400 00:27:11,062 --> 00:27:12,893 "Do you know what it is to be a white man 401 00:27:12,998 --> 00:27:16,525 "who can summon fire from the sky? What it means? 402 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:18,967 "You can live and die for these things. 403 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:21,732 "Not silly ideals that are always betrayed... 404 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,206 "What do you fight for, Captain?" 405 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:28,673 Then he answers, "Because it feels good." 406 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:35,781 I never cared for the ending so much. I always thought the ending was weak. 407 00:27:35,887 --> 00:27:38,754 The ending didn't top what had happened with the helicopters, 408 00:27:38,857 --> 00:27:42,918 and it didn't answer any of the kind of moral issues 409 00:27:43,028 --> 00:27:47,692 that got into a real gung-ho, macho kind of a comic book ending. 410 00:27:48,933 --> 00:27:53,370 And my choice was to make it much more back to Heart of Darkness 411 00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:56,304 than really John and George were intending. 412 00:27:56,408 --> 00:28:00,367 I'd like to save the in-depth stuff for the second reading. 413 00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:05,179 And I think very early on, I knew that even when I arrived there, 414 00:28:05,283 --> 00:28:08,912 I was gonna take John's script and mate it with Heart of Darkness 415 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:11,011 and whatever happened to me in the jungle. 416 00:28:11,122 --> 00:28:13,955 I mean, I knew that was, like, my concept. 417 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,690 This afternoon Francis got a call from his attorney. 418 00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:22,528 Apparently, Brando is refusing to give Francis the extra time he needs 419 00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:25,068 to rewrite the ending of the movie. 420 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:27,138 Brando is threatening to drop out of the project 421 00:28:27,238 --> 00:28:29,832 and keep his million-dollar advance. 422 00:28:29,941 --> 00:28:34,105 Yeah, but are they seriously saying that Marlon would take a million dollars 423 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:36,077 and then not show up? 424 00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:40,580 And imagine, here I am 425 00:28:40,685 --> 00:28:43,882 with about 50 things that are just quasi in my control, 426 00:28:43,988 --> 00:28:46,422 like the Philippine government and fucking helicopters 427 00:28:46,524 --> 00:28:48,253 which they take away whenever they feel like, 428 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:50,156 and they've done it three times already. 429 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:54,322 I mean, all I'm asking is for Marlon to allow me to start him a little later. 430 00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:56,900 And I know it's all my fault. But I'm saying is that 431 00:28:57,001 --> 00:28:59,663 do I also have to shoot the last 30 minutes of the movie 432 00:28:59,771 --> 00:29:00,760 in the beginning? 433 00:29:00,872 --> 00:29:03,033 Tell them to keep acting, Randy. 434 00:29:03,141 --> 00:29:07,407 I assumed that there would be some malleability about Marlon, 435 00:29:07,512 --> 00:29:13,712 and I also didn't realize the immensity of the constructions and stuff. 436 00:29:14,052 --> 00:29:17,180 I mean, the picture's bigger than I thought. It's just gigantic. 437 00:29:17,288 --> 00:29:20,883 I personally, as an artist, would love the opportunity 438 00:29:20,992 --> 00:29:23,256 to just finish the picture up until the end, 439 00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:26,228 take four weeks off, work with Marlon, rewrite it, 440 00:29:26,331 --> 00:29:27,958 and then in just three weeks, do the ending. 441 00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:30,364 I think I could make the best film that way. 442 00:29:30,468 --> 00:29:33,164 It seems like such a, kind of, bright thing to do. 443 00:29:33,271 --> 00:29:36,263 And I feel that the people back there 444 00:29:36,374 --> 00:29:39,741 feel that postponement is like, "The picture's in trouble or something." 445 00:29:39,844 --> 00:29:41,812 It's just that very intelligent, major studios 446 00:29:41,913 --> 00:29:45,508 used to do things like this all the time. No, I know that. 447 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:49,075 And that's what sort of bugs me is the ludicrousness of thinking 448 00:29:49,187 --> 00:29:51,382 that I'm gonna go through all that I'm doing, 449 00:29:51,489 --> 00:29:55,084 after all I've been through in the past, after all the pictures I've made 450 00:29:55,193 --> 00:29:58,594 and after shooting 16 weeks, that I'm not gonna finish a movie 451 00:29:58,696 --> 00:30:01,722 in which I've invested three years of my life just because... 452 00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:03,824 I mean, it's stupid, man. 453 00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:07,570 Yeah, but even if Brando drops dead, I can still finish the movie. 454 00:30:07,672 --> 00:30:08,696 I'll just get another actor. 455 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:11,002 If I can't get Redford, I'll go back to Nicholson. 456 00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:12,770 If I can't get Nicholson, I'll go back to Pacino. 457 00:30:12,877 --> 00:30:15,345 If I can't go to Pacino, I'll go back to someone else. 458 00:30:15,446 --> 00:30:19,348 I mean, sooner or later, I can get someone for three weeks. 459 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:23,784 I mean, it's not in the cards that we're not going to finish the movie. 460 00:30:42,373 --> 00:30:46,503 This is the first day of heavy rain. A typhoon is off the coast. 461 00:30:46,611 --> 00:30:48,875 I've never seen it rain so hard. 462 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,210 Water has started coming in the rooms downstairs, 463 00:30:51,316 --> 00:30:54,012 and Sofia is splashing around in it. 464 00:30:54,118 --> 00:30:56,018 Francis has decided to make pasta, 465 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,816 and he's turned on La Boheme full volume. 466 00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:04,484 I knew that if weather came, that I was gonna try to incorporate it. 467 00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:07,591 I didn't realize that it was on such a big scale. 468 00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:10,998 So I was only thinking that I got to shoot tomorrow. 469 00:31:48,006 --> 00:31:51,840 Even after that typhoon hit, he began to film. 470 00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:55,970 He said, "This has happened, and monsoons hit Vietnam. 471 00:31:56,681 --> 00:32:00,378 "There's a lot of mud, a lot of rain around. Let's film." 472 00:32:01,986 --> 00:32:03,851 Don't leave without me. 473 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:09,048 We went to Iba to shoot the scene that got cut. 474 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:13,723 The set was, like, 80% demolished. 475 00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:16,425 It was, like, mud up to the knees. 476 00:32:16,534 --> 00:32:19,002 It was like pissing, man. 477 00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:20,764 I mean, it was hitting you so hard, it hurt. 478 00:32:26,377 --> 00:32:29,676 It started out just as raining a lot, and after a while, we realized 479 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:32,841 it was knocking out centers of civilizations, 480 00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:36,819 and rivers were overrunning, and people couldn't get to the places... 481 00:32:36,921 --> 00:32:39,754 They were all on the roofs of hotels and stuff. 482 00:32:39,857 --> 00:32:42,121 We had to stop for a while. 483 00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:43,955 And I realized that certain sets had been destroyed. 484 00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:09,343 In order to rebuild the sets, 485 00:33:09,454 --> 00:33:12,321 Francis has closed down the production for two months. 486 00:33:12,423 --> 00:33:14,983 The cast and crew have been sent home. 487 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:18,020 It was an opportunity for everyone, really, 488 00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:20,987 to have a little relief from the situation, 489 00:33:21,099 --> 00:33:24,227 because it became apparent that it was gonna go on longer 490 00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:26,633 than we realized in the beginning. 491 00:33:30,908 --> 00:33:33,468 Last night, we slept outside on the lawn. 492 00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:36,672 It was beautiful, so clear, with stars. 493 00:33:36,781 --> 00:33:39,579 Francis tossed and turned, having nightmares. 494 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:43,245 This morning he said he'd had a dream about how to finish the script. 495 00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:46,414 But now that he was awake, it wasn't any good. 496 00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:48,924 He said he couldn't go on making the John Milius script 497 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:51,291 because it didn't really express his ideas, 498 00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:55,765 and he still doesn't know how to make the film into his personal vision. 499 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,199 He's been struggling with this for so long. 500 00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:00,702 He knows the material backwards and forwards. 501 00:34:00,805 --> 00:34:03,296 He is practically chasing his tail. 502 00:34:03,674 --> 00:34:07,110 First of all, I call this whole movie the Idiodyssey. 503 00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:11,746 - The Idiodyssey? - This is the Idiodyssey. 504 00:34:11,849 --> 00:34:15,683 None of my tools, none of my tricks, 505 00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:19,587 none of my ways of doing things works for this ending. 506 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:23,285 I have tried so many times that I know I can't do it. 507 00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:26,889 It might be a big victory to know that I can't do it. 508 00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:29,694 I can't write the ending to this movie. 509 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:33,401 I was on the spot. I had gotten myself into something big. 510 00:34:33,504 --> 00:34:37,406 Some people had come through, a lot of people hadn't. 511 00:34:37,875 --> 00:34:40,366 And it was my job and also my financial burden 512 00:34:40,478 --> 00:34:42,378 to pick up the pieces and finish the movie. 513 00:34:42,647 --> 00:34:46,413 I didn't quite understand all the ramifications of the financing. 514 00:34:46,517 --> 00:34:49,486 I felt that he'd do whatever he had to, we'd borrow the money. 515 00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:51,145 But I really support him as an artist, 516 00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:55,089 and I feel like whatever the artist needs to do 517 00:34:55,193 --> 00:34:57,787 in order to get his artwork is okay. 518 00:34:57,895 --> 00:35:00,363 And I always felt confident. So what's the worst that can happen? 519 00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:03,662 They take away your big house, they take away your car, so what? 520 00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:06,965 He was a very creative person and could make another film 521 00:35:07,071 --> 00:35:12,600 and could do another job and earn his living and provide for us. 522 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:16,202 So I really wasn't frightened by it. 523 00:35:16,314 --> 00:35:20,216 In fact, at that point in time, we had escalated our life style. 524 00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:23,446 We had this big 22-room Victorian house, 525 00:35:23,554 --> 00:35:25,385 you know, a staff and a screening room. 526 00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:28,459 Life was kind of complicated for me. And entertaining... 527 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,323 And I would have loved to have had my lifestyle 528 00:35:31,429 --> 00:35:33,624 reduced to some smaller scale. 529 00:35:33,731 --> 00:35:35,756 So that part of me was just fearless in that regard. 530 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:41,931 It really didn't matter if it all went down the tubes in financing this project. 531 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:43,028 It was really okay. 532 00:35:49,046 --> 00:35:51,913 A melodrama is currently playing itself out in Hollywood 533 00:35:52,016 --> 00:35:55,713 that for sheer emotionalism rivals anything put on film. 534 00:35:56,187 --> 00:35:59,850 The embattled figure in this drama is director Francis Coppola, 535 00:35:59,957 --> 00:36:01,686 who once again finds himself waging a war 536 00:36:01,792 --> 00:36:04,317 to keep his dream financially afloat. 537 00:36:04,695 --> 00:36:07,755 Now, if you read newspapers at all or listen to the radio, you know 538 00:36:07,865 --> 00:36:10,925 that Mr. Coppola has been involved in the production of this motion picture 539 00:36:11,402 --> 00:36:13,267 for more years than even he would care to count. 540 00:36:18,543 --> 00:36:20,170 The press painted a portrait of me 541 00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:23,770 as sort of a crazy person and financially irresponsible, 542 00:36:23,881 --> 00:36:26,782 which I don't particularly think is really true. 543 00:36:26,884 --> 00:36:28,613 No doubt that it was my money. 544 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,847 But the difference was that Apocalypse Now was about Vietnam. 545 00:36:31,956 --> 00:36:35,983 That was what made it sound like such a crazy financial bet. 546 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:38,619 Did you ever consider quitting? 547 00:36:38,729 --> 00:36:42,961 How am I going to quit from myself? Am I going to say, "Francis, I quit"? 548 00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:46,935 You know, I was financing the movie. How could I quit? 549 00:36:50,274 --> 00:36:52,367 July 25th, 1976. 550 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:56,374 We've returned to the Philippines to resume production. 551 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,075 Francis hopes to finish shooting in the early fall. 552 00:37:07,525 --> 00:37:11,256 There is a kind of powerful exhilaration in the face of losing everything, 553 00:37:11,362 --> 00:37:12,590 like the excitement of war 554 00:37:12,697 --> 00:37:16,030 when one kills or takes the chance of being killed. 555 00:37:16,133 --> 00:37:18,328 Francis has taken the biggest risk of his life 556 00:37:18,436 --> 00:37:20,802 in the way he's making this film. 557 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:23,305 This film is now $3 million over budget, 558 00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:26,706 which the distributor, United Artists, has agreed to put up. 559 00:37:26,811 --> 00:37:31,339 But Francis has to pay it back if the film doesn't make $40 million or more. 560 00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:34,509 That just gets me all the more focused on the present moment 561 00:37:34,619 --> 00:37:38,646 and not allow myself to think about the "what-ifs" of the future. 562 00:37:40,224 --> 00:37:42,055 I know that every building that's built 563 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,720 runs into big production overages, every bridge that's built. 564 00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:46,854 Every NASA project, 565 00:37:46,964 --> 00:37:52,300 any large project that involves lots of people, conditions, weather, 566 00:37:52,737 --> 00:37:53,795 of a construction nature, 567 00:37:53,904 --> 00:37:55,633 goes over all the time. 568 00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:57,935 And a movie is no exception. 569 00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,806 It's true that since it was my own money, 570 00:38:00,911 --> 00:38:03,539 and once I felt that I was going in a direction, 571 00:38:03,648 --> 00:38:06,879 I wanted to continue going in that direction. 572 00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:09,612 Since it was my money, I just did it, really. 573 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,218 There was a sequence in the film, 574 00:38:12,323 --> 00:38:14,587 so-called the French plantation sequence, 575 00:38:14,692 --> 00:38:16,717 and it involved 576 00:38:16,827 --> 00:38:19,387 the PBR coming ashore 577 00:38:19,497 --> 00:38:25,436 to this rubber plantation still run by these French-speaking people, 578 00:38:25,536 --> 00:38:27,436 and they had a whole bunch of cadre, 579 00:38:27,538 --> 00:38:30,405 and they'd been fighting the Viet Minh before the Viet Cong, 580 00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:32,601 and they weren't letting go. 581 00:38:33,744 --> 00:38:35,541 Hey, this is French plantation discussion. 582 00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:36,613 French plantation... 583 00:38:36,714 --> 00:38:41,777 The whole scene is gonna be made of wisps of fog close to the ground, 584 00:38:41,886 --> 00:38:44,912 and a place that's like a dream. 585 00:38:45,022 --> 00:38:47,388 If you need more fog machines... 586 00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:50,983 Have more than enough machines. How much do they cost? 587 00:38:51,095 --> 00:38:53,086 - Can I buy the ones I already bought? - Sure. 588 00:38:53,197 --> 00:38:55,165 Okay, I'll give them to you as a gift after the show, 589 00:38:55,266 --> 00:38:56,255 but have enough of them. 590 00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:57,857 Now, I want some real machine guns. 591 00:38:57,968 --> 00:39:01,062 Get the PC to go over and strafe the side of that house 592 00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:04,073 as though Fidel Castro had his last stand there. 593 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:08,509 I'd like three or four French people, and I'll spend money for it. 594 00:39:08,612 --> 00:39:10,273 But I don't want to fly them from France. 595 00:39:10,381 --> 00:39:14,374 If you can't get them from Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, Okinawa, 596 00:39:14,485 --> 00:39:16,453 then I will fly them from France. 597 00:39:16,554 --> 00:39:18,522 White wine should be served ice cold. 598 00:39:18,622 --> 00:39:21,921 Red wine should be served at about 58 degrees. 599 00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:25,553 Should be opened approximately an hour to an hour-and-a-half 600 00:39:25,663 --> 00:39:27,893 to even two hours before served. 601 00:39:27,998 --> 00:39:31,490 I want a French ceremony that is right out of a fucking... 602 00:39:31,602 --> 00:39:35,299 I want the French to say, "My God, how did they do that?" 603 00:39:36,574 --> 00:39:38,633 Well, my idea was, as they progressed up the river, 604 00:39:38,743 --> 00:39:41,712 they were, like, going back more and more in time 605 00:39:41,812 --> 00:39:43,905 in a funny kind of way, 606 00:39:44,014 --> 00:39:46,949 that we were revisiting the history of Vietnam in reverse. 607 00:39:47,051 --> 00:39:49,679 And the first stop was in the '50s almost. 608 00:39:49,787 --> 00:39:51,584 We now are with the French. 609 00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:55,181 That was what I was looking for in the French plantation 610 00:39:55,292 --> 00:39:58,352 that was a kind of ghostly afterview of something, 611 00:39:58,462 --> 00:40:00,930 almost like they talk about the light from the stars. 612 00:40:01,031 --> 00:40:04,000 We see it after the star's already dead, 613 00:40:04,101 --> 00:40:05,830 you know, and it was that kind of mood. 614 00:40:08,305 --> 00:40:11,536 It was like having dinner with a family of ghosts. 615 00:40:12,209 --> 00:40:16,543 There were still a few hundred of them left on plantations all over Vietnam, 616 00:40:16,647 --> 00:40:20,344 trying to keep themselves convinced that it was still 1950. 617 00:40:21,018 --> 00:40:24,715 They weren't French anymore, and they'd never be Vietnamese. 618 00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:28,922 They were floating loose in history, without a country. 619 00:40:29,026 --> 00:40:32,723 They were hanging on by their fingernails, but so were we. 620 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,956 We just had more fingernails in it. 621 00:40:37,067 --> 00:40:40,525 How long can you possibly stay here? 622 00:40:42,973 --> 00:40:44,838 - Stay? - No, no. I mean... 623 00:40:46,677 --> 00:40:49,305 When will you go back home to France? 624 00:40:49,814 --> 00:40:51,111 Back home? 625 00:40:51,549 --> 00:40:54,017 I mean, this is our home, Captain. 626 00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:57,212 - Sooner or later, you're gonna... - No, Captain! 627 00:40:58,389 --> 00:41:01,847 I mean, you don't know anything about the French mentality. 628 00:41:01,959 --> 00:41:05,190 It was just the idea of the French still being there. 629 00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:08,424 There was some speech that he gives at the end, that he said, 630 00:41:08,532 --> 00:41:12,161 "If they drive us from the house, we will live in a ditch, 631 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:17,102 "and if they push us out of the ditch, we'll live in the jungle. 632 00:41:18,609 --> 00:41:22,511 "All the time we will clean the blood from our bayonets." 633 00:41:22,613 --> 00:41:23,978 I like that. 634 00:41:24,582 --> 00:41:28,109 So when you ask me why we want to stay here, Captain, 635 00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:32,185 we want to stay here because it's ours. 636 00:41:32,289 --> 00:41:34,314 It belongs to us. 637 00:41:34,425 --> 00:41:36,689 It keeps our family together. 638 00:41:38,729 --> 00:41:40,754 I mean, we fight for that. 639 00:41:41,866 --> 00:41:43,663 While you American, 640 00:41:44,635 --> 00:41:49,470 you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history. 641 00:41:51,108 --> 00:41:53,235 Our budgets were cut way down 642 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,835 and we didn't get the cast that we wanted. 643 00:41:55,946 --> 00:41:58,039 But of course, the art department and the other departments 644 00:41:58,148 --> 00:42:00,776 didn't cut theirs down, so I was very incensed 645 00:42:00,885 --> 00:42:04,082 that I had this extraordinary set, that costly set. 646 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:08,090 Extraordinary decorations and stuff. 647 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:11,161 I was just angry at the French sequence. 648 00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:13,526 I cut it out, out of that. 649 00:42:13,631 --> 00:42:16,429 I was very unhappy on every count. 650 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:18,058 The light, the whole thing. 651 00:42:18,168 --> 00:42:21,194 So everyone forget that we even shot it. 652 00:42:21,305 --> 00:42:23,432 No longer does it exist. 653 00:42:37,655 --> 00:42:42,319 What I'm worried about is that I'm getting into a self-indulgent pattern. 654 00:42:42,426 --> 00:42:45,486 But don't you, on the one hand, feel like that's 655 00:42:45,596 --> 00:42:48,463 where your gifts as an artist are working? 656 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,727 They're on that brink of not knowing what to do. 657 00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:52,768 What if you just scream out to the heavens, 658 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,565 "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing!" 659 00:42:54,672 --> 00:42:55,969 I've done that. 660 00:42:56,073 --> 00:42:58,769 That's another form of self-indulgence. 661 00:42:59,977 --> 00:43:02,878 I'm sure I've missed a whole bunch of opportunities, 662 00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:04,675 and I'm gonna miss others. 663 00:43:04,782 --> 00:43:06,545 But I've caught a lot of them, too. 664 00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:10,746 In the end, it's how many I catch, not how many I lose. 665 00:43:17,227 --> 00:43:19,695 Francis is in a place within himself, 666 00:43:19,797 --> 00:43:22,027 a place he never intended to reach, 667 00:43:22,132 --> 00:43:23,599 a place of conflict. 668 00:43:23,701 --> 00:43:28,001 And he can't go back down the river because the journey has changed him. 669 00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:30,972 I was watching from the point of view of the observer, 670 00:43:31,075 --> 00:43:34,238 not realizing I was on the journey, too. 671 00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:36,711 Now, I can't go back to the way it was. 672 00:43:36,814 --> 00:43:39,681 Neither can Francis. Neither can Willard. 673 00:43:45,022 --> 00:43:48,082 It was like traveling back to the earliest beginnings of the world 674 00:43:48,192 --> 00:43:51,889 when vegetation rioted on the Earth and the big trees were kings. 675 00:43:51,996 --> 00:43:54,624 Trees, millions of trees, 676 00:43:54,732 --> 00:43:58,293 massive, immense, running up high. 677 00:43:58,402 --> 00:44:01,132 And at their foot, hugging the bank against the stream, 678 00:44:01,238 --> 00:44:05,299 crept the little begrimed steamboat, like a sluggish beetle 679 00:44:05,409 --> 00:44:08,845 crawling on the floor of a lofty portico. 680 00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:12,438 Where the company men imagined it crawled to, I don't know. 681 00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:13,743 For me, 682 00:44:14,518 --> 00:44:16,486 it crawled toward Kurtz. 683 00:44:33,871 --> 00:44:36,533 Francis works in a very intuitive way. 684 00:44:37,141 --> 00:44:42,010 So he likes to take advantage of things as he moves along through a picture. 685 00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:44,580 And Francis just likes it to flow. 686 00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:46,673 And whenever you do that, 687 00:44:46,784 --> 00:44:50,311 you end up with a problem of having a film 688 00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:52,753 at times that is way too long 689 00:44:52,856 --> 00:44:56,690 and a film that doesn't have a really strong narrative line in it 690 00:44:56,794 --> 00:45:00,525 that you can keep the audience hooked in. 691 00:45:00,631 --> 00:45:02,895 And when you get into this anger, Albert, 692 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,060 don't decide where you're gonna get to. 693 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:09,606 Wherever you get to, as long as it's out of you, is okay. 694 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,732 Francis used to write on these little cards. 695 00:45:11,842 --> 00:45:15,243 I managed to hold on to some of these. 696 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:19,842 - You want to read one of them? - Well, let me get the pages right. 697 00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:22,976 And see, we put them on little cards like this. 698 00:45:24,688 --> 00:45:28,488 Now we have the main boat approaching. 699 00:45:28,592 --> 00:45:30,856 Now we have the birds. We don't have the birds great, 700 00:45:30,961 --> 00:45:33,122 but we'll never get it great. The birds... 701 00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:36,495 And then I propose that we do four close-ups. 702 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,001 Sam, Chief, Martin, everyone, looking at the birds, 703 00:45:40,104 --> 00:45:42,698 so I can use the sound of the birds or maybe three birds going through, 704 00:45:42,806 --> 00:45:45,138 and I can create the illusion of there being birds. 705 00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:49,144 "Birds. Lance. POVs of blackbirds. Boat." 706 00:45:49,246 --> 00:45:52,044 It was like this. This was his shot list. 707 00:45:52,549 --> 00:45:54,710 Sometimes we'd get pages that would say... 708 00:45:54,818 --> 00:45:59,050 It'd say "scenes unknown" on the call sheet. 709 00:45:59,556 --> 00:46:01,547 You just would show up, you know. 710 00:46:01,658 --> 00:46:02,852 They didn't know what they were going to do. 711 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,451 We didn't just go out there and, "Oh, what can we do today?" 712 00:46:05,562 --> 00:46:08,360 There was a real plan for each day. 713 00:46:08,465 --> 00:46:11,025 But since Francis is a writer 714 00:46:11,135 --> 00:46:13,569 and was a co-writer of the script, 715 00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:17,003 he could create things at the moment, 716 00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:19,667 and if a new idea came up, 717 00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:22,302 he would sit there up all night and write it. 718 00:46:22,412 --> 00:46:25,848 Then you're gonna get into this weird speech of, "Fire, fire. 719 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,382 "You demons. You sons of bitches. 720 00:46:27,484 --> 00:46:29,475 "Get away from us. Get away from this boat. 721 00:46:29,586 --> 00:46:32,384 "Back, you walking dead, you zombies, you sons of bitches. 722 00:46:32,489 --> 00:46:33,888 "Captain, you made this. 723 00:46:33,991 --> 00:46:36,221 "This is your hell, your nightmare." 724 00:46:36,326 --> 00:46:39,762 I felt that he just thought a lot of his actors, 725 00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:44,993 we were gems who were to bring his ideas to life. 726 00:46:45,102 --> 00:46:48,299 And he also took a lot of our creative input. 727 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,271 Why don't we go, "You want to kill us all. You're insane. 728 00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:56,039 "You've gone insane. You're more of a savage. 729 00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:57,943 "You're insane, savage like those people." 730 00:46:58,048 --> 00:46:59,276 - Or something like that? - Okay. 731 00:46:59,383 --> 00:47:01,283 You try it, though. "This is your hell." 732 00:47:01,385 --> 00:47:04,946 "This dream is your hell. This is your nightmare. 733 00:47:05,055 --> 00:47:08,718 "You made it, you liquor-guzzling, dipsomaniac son of a bitch. 734 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,054 "You bastard!" 735 00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:14,222 Somehow get the idea that you... You're going mad. 736 00:47:14,331 --> 00:47:17,596 You've gone mad. 737 00:47:18,135 --> 00:47:22,128 Once he set that feel for us, we just started improvising 738 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,139 everything that was happening on the boat. 739 00:47:24,241 --> 00:47:27,039 Sampan off the port bow. Let's take a look. 740 00:47:28,045 --> 00:47:32,038 Lance, bring them in. Clean, on the 60. Chef, get a 16. 741 00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:38,354 Francis had us write up lists of things that we wanted our characters to do. 742 00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:41,079 I remember we all decided 743 00:47:41,191 --> 00:47:43,625 that we wanted to do sort of a My Lai Massacre. 744 00:47:43,727 --> 00:47:45,092 We thought an interrogation of a boat 745 00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:48,631 that ended in a firefight and the loss of many lives. 746 00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:51,334 We wanted to experience something like that. 747 00:47:51,501 --> 00:47:54,493 - There ain't nothing in here. - What's in the boxes? 748 00:47:54,605 --> 00:47:56,869 - Look in the tin can and rusted cans. - Nothing. 749 00:47:56,974 --> 00:47:59,135 Just fucking rice and that's all! There ain't nothing on it! 750 00:47:59,243 --> 00:48:00,835 Check the yellow can. Check the yellow can! 751 00:48:00,944 --> 00:48:03,003 She was sitting on it. What's in it? 752 00:48:06,316 --> 00:48:07,544 Chef! 753 00:48:12,389 --> 00:48:14,914 Motherfucking... Cocksucker! 754 00:48:17,327 --> 00:48:20,524 - Hold it. - Let's kill them all, huh? Idiots! 755 00:48:20,631 --> 00:48:22,826 - Fucking cocksucker! - Hold it! Hold it! 756 00:48:22,933 --> 00:48:25,333 Let's kill all the assholes! 757 00:48:25,435 --> 00:48:27,767 - Hold it! Chef, hold it! - Why not? 758 00:48:27,871 --> 00:48:31,705 Jesus Christ. Why the fuck not? 759 00:48:33,443 --> 00:48:35,070 - Clean. - I'm good. 760 00:48:39,816 --> 00:48:41,977 See what she was running for? 761 00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:47,018 It's a fucking puppy! 762 00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:51,794 I think what it was that was me that was Clean was just that I was a kid. 763 00:48:52,129 --> 00:48:54,689 And that's, I think, what my role is about. 764 00:48:54,798 --> 00:48:58,199 I mean, it's about the kids that were over there 765 00:49:00,137 --> 00:49:02,799 who didn't know anything about anything. 766 00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:07,768 They were just kind of snatched up and used as cannon fodder for this war. 767 00:49:39,776 --> 00:49:41,801 Everyone who has come out here to the Philippines 768 00:49:41,912 --> 00:49:45,439 seems to be going through something that is affecting them profoundly, 769 00:49:45,549 --> 00:49:49,417 changing their perspective about the world or themselves, 770 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:53,148 while the same thing is happening to Willard in the course of the film. 771 00:49:53,256 --> 00:49:56,521 Something is definitely happening to me and to Francis. 772 00:50:47,844 --> 00:50:49,175 Filmmaking, at least for me, 773 00:50:49,279 --> 00:50:52,874 wasn't really just a matter of writing this little script 774 00:50:52,983 --> 00:50:56,419 and then going and doing it as you thought that your own life 775 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,420 and your own experience during the making of it 776 00:50:58,522 --> 00:51:00,786 was also a very strong element, 777 00:51:01,425 --> 00:51:03,985 and that somehow the director works 778 00:51:04,094 --> 00:51:07,996 with more than just having the script 779 00:51:08,098 --> 00:51:10,396 and having the team of people and actors. 780 00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:15,199 Also, the conditions and the mood of the company and of each individual 781 00:51:15,305 --> 00:51:17,273 and what personally people are going through 782 00:51:17,374 --> 00:51:21,834 is also one of the primary elements of the film. 783 00:51:21,945 --> 00:51:25,813 I mean, what's the matter with you? You're acting kind of weird. 784 00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:28,646 Hey, you know that last tab of acid I was saving? 785 00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:30,276 Yeah. 786 00:51:30,387 --> 00:51:32,821 - I dropped it. - You dropped acid? 787 00:51:32,923 --> 00:51:34,322 Far out. 788 00:51:34,424 --> 00:51:37,951 Most of my character was done under the influence of pot. 789 00:51:38,728 --> 00:51:40,662 We smoked a lot of that. 790 00:51:43,033 --> 00:51:46,935 You know, the film crew just became our guests upriver with us. 791 00:51:48,038 --> 00:51:50,268 - Did you drop any acid? - Sure. 792 00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:54,175 - Did you drop any acid during filming? - Sure. 793 00:51:54,845 --> 00:51:56,506 At Do Lung bridge? 794 00:52:00,183 --> 00:52:03,516 No, I did something else at Do Lung bridge. I... 795 00:52:04,921 --> 00:52:08,220 I didn't take any acid there. I did something else. 796 00:52:09,092 --> 00:52:11,993 - What did you do? - I was doing speed then. 797 00:52:12,095 --> 00:52:17,226 We were working lots of nights, and I wanted a speedy sort of edge. I... 798 00:52:20,103 --> 00:52:22,264 And marijuana and alcohol... 799 00:52:22,372 --> 00:52:24,772 I mean, we were bad. We were just bad boys. 800 00:52:25,041 --> 00:52:28,204 Sort of crazy, you know. Slightly mad. 801 00:52:29,045 --> 00:52:30,273 The whole thing was mad, you know. 802 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:32,746 We felt after a while we really weren't there. 803 00:52:32,849 --> 00:52:34,714 It was like we were in a dream or something. 804 00:52:35,352 --> 00:52:36,580 We'd say to Francis, 805 00:52:36,686 --> 00:52:40,645 "I'm not here, Francis. I'm in Montana with Jack Nicholson." 806 00:52:40,757 --> 00:52:42,588 So they'd say, "Where are you today, Freddy?" 807 00:52:42,692 --> 00:52:45,058 I'd be in Waco, I could be in Des Moines... 808 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:46,857 Wherever I wanted to be. 809 00:52:46,963 --> 00:52:50,660 And you would just go through your day. You weren't in that place. 810 00:52:50,767 --> 00:52:52,325 ...study at the Escoffier school. 811 00:52:52,435 --> 00:52:53,697 That was really crazy, man, 812 00:52:53,803 --> 00:52:57,102 that time in the jungle with me and Marty and the tiger. 813 00:52:57,207 --> 00:53:00,438 Yeah, that was really... That was just insane. 814 00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:04,405 We had this guy there with the tiger... A couple, the trainers. 815 00:53:04,514 --> 00:53:06,311 He had a slight speech impediment. 816 00:53:06,416 --> 00:53:09,715 He had scar tissue, like, all over his face 817 00:53:09,819 --> 00:53:12,549 where he'd had some bouts with his tiger, Gambi. 818 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:17,456 You had a cat that's done that two or three times, it's no longer worth it. 819 00:53:18,161 --> 00:53:20,789 Because once they put a hole in your leg... 820 00:53:20,897 --> 00:53:23,730 It's usually on the joint because it's usually where they're going for, 821 00:53:23,833 --> 00:53:26,461 and you can't walk for a year. 822 00:53:26,570 --> 00:53:27,628 And you don't wanna do it anymore, 823 00:53:27,737 --> 00:53:30,570 so you usually put the cat out and start over again. 824 00:53:30,674 --> 00:53:34,474 The trainer had, like, a pig on a string, so the tiger would see him. 825 00:53:34,578 --> 00:53:35,772 Then he was gonna pull him back 826 00:53:35,879 --> 00:53:38,006 to make him jump at the right angle or something. 827 00:53:38,114 --> 00:53:39,979 So the guy'd come around and say, 828 00:53:40,083 --> 00:53:43,814 "Gambi's very hungry today, Martin. He's very hungry, Mr. Coppola. 829 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,013 "I'm sure he will do exactly what you want. 830 00:53:46,122 --> 00:53:47,987 "We haven't fed him in a week." 831 00:53:48,091 --> 00:53:49,991 - Oh, shit. - Action. 832 00:53:51,728 --> 00:53:54,288 We'd come out there and Francis'd keep saying, "Get closer." 833 00:53:54,397 --> 00:53:57,992 We're saying, "y ou get closer, Francis. You get closer." 834 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,570 What is it? 835 00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,775 Charlie? V.C.? 836 00:54:14,084 --> 00:54:15,244 Tiger! 837 00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:19,149 Man, I've never been so frightened in my life, 838 00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:21,121 because it was so fast, man. 839 00:54:21,224 --> 00:54:24,318 Guys were running everywhere, climbing trees. 840 00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:26,895 I got to remember, never get out of the boat! 841 00:54:26,997 --> 00:54:28,294 Never get out of the boat! 842 00:54:28,398 --> 00:54:32,266 And to me, that was the essence of the whole film in Vietnam, 843 00:54:32,369 --> 00:54:36,271 where it was the look in that tiger's eyes, the madness, 844 00:54:36,373 --> 00:54:39,809 like it didn't matter what you wanted. There was no reality anymore. 845 00:54:39,909 --> 00:54:42,742 If that tiger wanted you, you were his. 846 00:54:49,319 --> 00:54:53,551 Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. 847 00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:58,059 Unless you were going all the way. 848 00:54:59,863 --> 00:55:03,924 I remember complaining to Francis one day about my confusion 849 00:55:04,034 --> 00:55:07,333 about all that was going down, and I said to him, 850 00:55:07,437 --> 00:55:10,497 "I don't know who this guy is. Who is this Willard?" 851 00:55:10,607 --> 00:55:13,667 And Francis just looked at me square in the eye and he said, 852 00:55:13,777 --> 00:55:16,871 "He's you. Whoever you are. 853 00:55:18,248 --> 00:55:22,275 "Whatever we're filming at the time, you are that character." 854 00:55:27,090 --> 00:55:28,887 Francis said he had a dream a few nights ago 855 00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:31,620 about being on the set of the Saigon hotel room 856 00:55:31,728 --> 00:55:34,322 with Marty and a Green Beret advisor. 857 00:55:34,431 --> 00:55:37,025 In the dream, the Green Beret was telling Francis 858 00:55:37,133 --> 00:55:41,536 that what he was doing with Marty was wrong. It would never be like that. 859 00:55:41,638 --> 00:55:44,471 The Green Beret said those guys were vain. 860 00:55:44,574 --> 00:55:45,734 The guy would go to the mirror 861 00:55:45,842 --> 00:55:48,902 and admire his beautiful hair and beautiful mouth. 862 00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:53,005 In Francis' dream, he had Marty go to the mirror and look at himself, 863 00:55:53,116 --> 00:55:54,743 admire his mouth. 864 00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:56,284 And when he turned around, 865 00:55:56,386 --> 00:56:00,447 Francis could see that Marty had suddenly turned into Willard. 866 00:56:06,629 --> 00:56:09,154 Francis was going for a moment 867 00:56:09,265 --> 00:56:13,292 where you see Martin Sheen's dark side, 868 00:56:13,403 --> 00:56:15,633 his primeval being or something... 869 00:56:15,739 --> 00:56:19,869 Some part of him that would lead you to understand 870 00:56:19,976 --> 00:56:22,672 how this person could commit an assassination. 871 00:56:23,113 --> 00:56:26,913 At the time of doing that scene, I was talking in terms of 872 00:56:27,016 --> 00:56:31,544 showing the different levels of good and evil in yourself. 873 00:56:31,654 --> 00:56:35,488 And I imagined that this guy did things that nobody had ever seen, 874 00:56:35,592 --> 00:56:37,924 or he'd never talk to anyone, must still be in him. 875 00:56:38,027 --> 00:56:42,157 And he must have that Kurtzian other side in him. 876 00:56:42,766 --> 00:56:45,030 Fellows, get ready as soon as you can, please! 877 00:56:45,135 --> 00:56:46,762 Let's go. Got to reload. 878 00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:47,894 Give us a little boost here! 879 00:56:48,004 --> 00:56:50,165 Okay, fellows, here we go. 880 00:56:54,377 --> 00:56:58,575 They set up this hotel room, and Marty decided to have a few drinks. 881 00:56:59,482 --> 00:57:01,143 He wasn't drinking at all at the time, 882 00:57:01,251 --> 00:57:04,948 and they rolled the cameras without telling him what to do. 883 00:57:08,324 --> 00:57:10,918 Fellows, watch your reflections in the mirror. Here we go. 884 00:57:11,027 --> 00:57:12,221 Yeah, places, everybody. 885 00:57:12,328 --> 00:57:14,819 Five-B, take three, camera A. 886 00:57:15,098 --> 00:57:16,258 Action! 887 00:57:18,768 --> 00:57:23,899 That opening sequence was shot on my 36th birthday, August 3rd, 888 00:57:24,007 --> 00:57:27,170 and I was so drunk, I couldn't stand up, frankly. 889 00:57:27,977 --> 00:57:30,741 Marty, go look at yourself in the mirror. 890 00:57:33,183 --> 00:57:34,582 I want you to look at how beautiful you are. 891 00:57:34,684 --> 00:57:38,586 I want you to look at your mouth, your mouth and your hair. 892 00:57:42,992 --> 00:57:45,153 You look like a movie star. 893 00:57:48,998 --> 00:57:51,159 Now frighten yourself, Marty. 894 00:57:52,869 --> 00:57:55,633 Show yourself the part that's an animal. 895 00:58:07,984 --> 00:58:11,750 I was so intoxicated, I didn't realize how close to the mirror I was. 896 00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:13,117 So when I struck it, 897 00:58:13,223 --> 00:58:17,489 I ended up catching my thumb in the mirror and split it open a bit. 898 00:58:19,762 --> 00:58:20,922 Okay, cut. 899 00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:24,061 Do we have a doctor? 900 00:58:24,567 --> 00:58:27,195 Francis tried to stop it, and he called for a doctor. 901 00:58:27,303 --> 00:58:31,899 There was a nurse standing by, and I said, "No, let it go. 902 00:58:32,742 --> 00:58:35,142 "I want to have this out right here and now." 903 00:58:35,245 --> 00:58:37,509 It had to do with facing my worst enemy, myself. 904 00:58:39,115 --> 00:58:43,245 I was in a chaotic, spiritual state inside. 905 00:58:48,591 --> 00:58:50,115 Talk to me. 906 00:58:55,565 --> 00:58:58,534 Why did you come back? Why did you come back? 907 00:59:06,075 --> 00:59:08,236 I fought him like a tiger. 908 00:59:09,412 --> 00:59:13,246 It was real hard for me to reveal myself. 909 00:59:14,717 --> 00:59:16,548 You fucker! 910 00:59:18,221 --> 00:59:19,711 Think about it. 911 00:59:21,291 --> 00:59:22,690 Your wife. 912 00:59:25,161 --> 00:59:27,789 - Your home. - I... 913 00:59:27,897 --> 00:59:29,194 Your car. 914 00:59:33,336 --> 00:59:34,394 My... 915 00:59:36,506 --> 00:59:39,634 My heart is broken! 916 00:59:42,879 --> 00:59:44,938 God damn it! 917 00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:48,747 The room had been charged with the possibility 918 00:59:48,851 --> 00:59:52,252 that Marty might lunge at the camera or attack Francis. 919 00:59:52,355 --> 00:59:56,451 There was an electricity in the room. Anything could happen. 920 00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,722 They were inside somebody, in his personal territory, 921 00:59:59,829 --> 01:00:02,855 with a man alone in his most private moment. 922 01:00:11,341 --> 01:00:15,675 I pretended I couldn't remember a lot of the things I'd done that night. 923 01:00:15,778 --> 01:00:18,008 Actually, I remembered it all. 924 01:00:18,615 --> 01:00:20,480 Dave, give me a hand, would you? 925 01:00:21,317 --> 01:00:23,808 Come on, pal, let's take a shower. 926 01:00:25,655 --> 01:00:30,354 Marty is extremely generous, big-hearted man. 927 01:00:31,861 --> 01:00:34,125 He's filled with a lot of love, 928 01:00:34,731 --> 01:00:37,700 and... 929 01:00:38,701 --> 01:00:40,430 Much unlike Willard. 930 01:00:42,839 --> 01:00:46,366 And so, when you ask Marty 931 01:00:47,276 --> 01:00:50,473 to examine the darker nature of this character, 932 01:00:51,914 --> 01:00:54,542 it meant closing himself down a lot 933 01:00:55,051 --> 01:00:58,487 and becoming very inward, 934 01:00:58,588 --> 01:01:01,182 in order to find the killer 935 01:01:01,290 --> 01:01:05,021 who could carry out the task and terminate Kurtz. 936 01:01:06,329 --> 01:01:07,956 I think it was... 937 01:01:08,064 --> 01:01:11,227 Willard was definitely responsible 938 01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:14,064 for Marty's own breakdown. 939 01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:22,976 March 1, 1977. 940 01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:24,973 Last night at 2:00 in the morning, 941 01:01:25,081 --> 01:01:27,879 Marty Sheen experienced severe chest pains. 942 01:01:28,418 --> 01:01:31,216 At daybreak, he crawled out of his room and down to the local highway, 943 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,118 where he was picked up by a public bus. 944 01:01:34,223 --> 01:01:35,815 After being taken to the production office, 945 01:01:35,925 --> 01:01:38,359 he was rushed to the hospital. 946 01:01:38,461 --> 01:01:42,056 Marty, it turned out, had suffered a serious heart attack. 947 01:01:42,165 --> 01:01:46,101 He received last rites from a priest who did not speak English. 948 01:01:48,371 --> 01:01:53,001 I really had a very close call and I realized... 949 01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:55,441 It's nothing that I can put into words. 950 01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:58,639 I just knew that if I wanted to live, it was my choice. 951 01:01:58,748 --> 01:02:00,409 If I wanted to die, that was my choice, too. 952 01:02:00,983 --> 01:02:02,007 There wasn't even any fear. 953 01:02:02,118 --> 01:02:06,282 The fear only came when I realized later how close I came to the end. 954 01:02:06,389 --> 01:02:08,380 That's when I got scared. 955 01:02:09,025 --> 01:02:13,223 I remember the phone ringing, and my secretary said, 956 01:02:13,996 --> 01:02:19,935 "Marty's had a heart attack, and Francis doesn't want to admit it." 957 01:02:20,403 --> 01:02:23,201 Dave Salvin let Melissa tell Barry Hirsch 958 01:02:23,306 --> 01:02:26,707 that Marty had a heart attack! What the fuck is that? 959 01:02:27,777 --> 01:02:29,369 What the fuck is that? 960 01:02:29,479 --> 01:02:32,744 You know that it's gonna be all over Hollywood in a half an hour? 961 01:02:32,849 --> 01:02:35,909 If Marty is so seriously stricken, 962 01:02:36,018 --> 01:02:38,077 then he must go back. 963 01:02:38,187 --> 01:02:40,451 Of course he will go back, and we'll eat it, 964 01:02:40,556 --> 01:02:43,457 but when I talked to the doctor, they didn't know. 965 01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:44,821 Marty's a young man. 966 01:02:44,927 --> 01:02:48,693 He probably would be able to be up and about in three weeks. 967 01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:52,461 I said, "Could he do non-strenuous work 968 01:02:52,568 --> 01:02:55,059 "such as just close-ups, sitting and acting?" 969 01:02:55,171 --> 01:02:56,399 He said, "Possibly, yes." 970 01:02:56,506 --> 01:02:58,337 That's all I need to hear from the doctor. 971 01:02:58,441 --> 01:03:02,537 So what's going on in fucking trade winds is fucking gossip. 972 01:03:02,645 --> 01:03:03,873 Gossip. 973 01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:05,937 That gossip can finish me off. 974 01:03:06,048 --> 01:03:08,608 If UA hears that it's eight weeks, 975 01:03:08,718 --> 01:03:10,879 UA with a $27 million negative 976 01:03:10,987 --> 01:03:13,547 is gonna force me to complete it with what I've got, 977 01:03:13,656 --> 01:03:16,625 - And I don't have the movie yet. - Right. 978 01:03:16,726 --> 01:03:18,523 - All right, now, you understand exactly? - Yes. 979 01:03:18,628 --> 01:03:21,893 If Marty dies, I wanna hear that everything's okay, 980 01:03:21,998 --> 01:03:23,966 until I say, "Marty is dead." 981 01:03:24,066 --> 01:03:25,033 - You got it? - Right. 982 01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:28,069 If it's not done, man, ship the whole office out of here. 983 01:03:28,171 --> 01:03:29,570 - You know what I'm saying? - Yes. 984 01:03:29,672 --> 01:03:31,264 Okay, I'm really scared, guys. 985 01:03:31,374 --> 01:03:33,842 The first time I've been scared on this movie. 986 01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:39,238 Whenever Francis gets in trouble on a picture, and not sure... 987 01:03:39,348 --> 01:03:42,340 The thing is to keep going, which I respect and admire. 988 01:03:42,451 --> 01:03:44,214 You gotta keep moving forward. 989 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,514 'Cause, I mean, of course, 990 01:03:45,621 --> 01:03:48,249 the guy had mortgaged his home and everything else 991 01:03:48,357 --> 01:03:50,621 to be able to make this movie. 992 01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:55,456 We shot masters of scenes. 993 01:03:56,265 --> 01:03:59,530 A lot of that material we shot with a double over Marty's shoulder. 994 01:03:59,635 --> 01:04:03,401 Then we went back when he came back and shot the close-ups. 995 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,034 So we had to find work for the shooting unit 996 01:04:07,143 --> 01:04:09,907 for as long as it was gonna take to get Marty back. 997 01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:11,641 Okay... 998 01:04:11,747 --> 01:04:14,545 I'll shoot anything. Tell me something I can shoot. 999 01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:17,084 We're out of little pickups to shoot. 1000 01:04:17,186 --> 01:04:18,778 I'll shoot the transition to medevac. 1001 01:04:18,888 --> 01:04:21,823 Or I'll do a take of this. I'll shoot anything. 1002 01:04:22,925 --> 01:04:24,756 Give me a break. What did I accomplish today? 1003 01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:26,886 You found out, number one, 1004 01:04:26,996 --> 01:04:28,293 that we're going to have a tremendous problem 1005 01:04:28,397 --> 01:04:29,625 without Marty with these scenes. 1006 01:04:29,732 --> 01:04:30,994 We knew we were gonna have to 1007 01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:33,500 at least open one major scene without Marty. 1008 01:04:33,603 --> 01:04:34,570 I knew that a lot. 1009 01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:37,332 I told you we could get through three weeks or four weeks maybe, 1010 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,704 but after that, we were in trouble. We both knew it. 1011 01:04:39,809 --> 01:04:42,937 All I'm saying is, from my point of view, I'd like to do something. 1012 01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:47,744 I feel like I'm this Peck's Bad Boy who's, like, being unreasonable. 1013 01:04:49,952 --> 01:04:51,385 Can I have a club soda? 1014 01:04:51,487 --> 01:04:53,614 - Club soda department? - Yeah. 1015 01:05:04,734 --> 01:05:07,100 Who knows what Francis had put together? 1016 01:05:07,203 --> 01:05:10,001 And they brought me back to put the script back together, 1017 01:05:10,106 --> 01:05:13,439 and everybody said, "Thank God! He's returned to reason! 1018 01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:16,943 "Thank God! This will be all right now! This is a new day! 1019 01:05:17,046 --> 01:05:19,241 "This thing will finally be released." 1020 01:05:19,348 --> 01:05:23,011 They said, "Go in there and tell him that he's been crazy." 1021 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:24,552 And all this kind of stuff. 1022 01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:29,819 I felt like von Rundstedt going to see Hitler in 1944, 1023 01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:31,154 and I was gonna be telling him 1024 01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:32,818 there was no more gasoline on the eastern front, 1025 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:35,420 and the whole thing was going to fold. 1026 01:05:35,531 --> 01:05:37,999 And I came out an hour-and-a-half later, 1027 01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:41,126 and he had convinced me that this was the first film 1028 01:05:41,237 --> 01:05:43,899 that would win a Nobel Prize, you know. 1029 01:05:44,006 --> 01:05:46,099 And so I came out of the room like von Rundstedt, 1030 01:05:46,208 --> 01:05:49,200 "We can win! 1031 01:05:49,312 --> 01:05:51,337 "We don't need gasoline!" 1032 01:05:51,447 --> 01:05:55,178 He had completely turned me around. I would have done anything. 1033 01:05:58,654 --> 01:06:00,884 April 19th, 1977. 1034 01:06:01,657 --> 01:06:03,955 This is Marty's first day back on the set. 1035 01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:05,994 He arrived about an hour ago. 1036 01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:07,187 He looks tan and terrific, 1037 01:06:07,296 --> 01:06:09,787 just like he came back from Palm Beach. 1038 01:06:09,899 --> 01:06:13,232 Francis put his ear on Marty's chest to check him out. 1039 01:06:13,336 --> 01:06:15,429 He said he looked too good. 1040 01:06:33,756 --> 01:06:35,621 Part of me was afraid of what I would find 1041 01:06:35,725 --> 01:06:38,387 and what I would do when I got there. 1042 01:06:40,796 --> 01:06:42,491 I knew the risks 1043 01:06:43,632 --> 01:06:45,327 or imagined I knew. 1044 01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:52,639 But the thing I felt the most, much stronger than fear, 1045 01:06:53,476 --> 01:06:55,740 was the desire to confront him. 1046 01:07:08,357 --> 01:07:11,952 What I have to arrive at in my mind is Willard's state of mind 1047 01:07:12,061 --> 01:07:15,258 when he arrives at the compound. 1048 01:07:15,364 --> 01:07:18,333 He could either arrive incredibly angry 1049 01:07:18,434 --> 01:07:21,961 or like a newborn baby. 1050 01:07:22,071 --> 01:07:25,370 And I think what he should find at the end is death. 1051 01:07:25,775 --> 01:07:29,905 That at the end of this whole thing, 1052 01:07:30,012 --> 01:07:32,207 there is a frightening... 1053 01:07:34,717 --> 01:07:37,811 A frightening place that just smells of death. 1054 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,081 In the script, 1055 01:07:42,191 --> 01:07:46,321 Kurtz has trained a tribe of local Montagnard Indians as his private army. 1056 01:07:46,429 --> 01:07:48,954 Rather than dress up Filipino extras everyday, 1057 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,226 Francis has recruited a tribe of lfugao Indians 1058 01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:53,494 from the mountains to the north. 1059 01:07:53,602 --> 01:07:55,934 There is a rumor on the set that, until recently, 1060 01:07:56,038 --> 01:07:58,905 the lfugao were practicing headhunters. 1061 01:08:00,009 --> 01:08:02,102 Last Saturday, they had a feast. 1062 01:08:02,211 --> 01:08:06,079 The old men of the tribe sat in the priest's house and chanted. 1063 01:08:06,182 --> 01:08:07,513 I wanted to film the ceremony, 1064 01:08:07,616 --> 01:08:10,585 so their mayor asked permission for me to shoot. 1065 01:08:10,686 --> 01:08:15,282 I was told if I entered, I could not leave during the first set of chants. 1066 01:08:15,424 --> 01:08:20,521 I was interested in documenting, photographing the actual ritual 1067 01:08:20,629 --> 01:08:22,688 that they performed. 1068 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,333 They began at night, inside their hut up on stilts, 1069 01:08:28,437 --> 01:08:32,203 and they drank a lot of rice wine and chanted, 1070 01:08:32,308 --> 01:08:35,436 and they told a long story in their own language. 1071 01:08:38,714 --> 01:08:40,147 This went on during the night. 1072 01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:45,312 The next morning, they began to kill some chickens and look at their bile 1073 01:08:45,421 --> 01:08:47,912 and tell the fortune of the tribe. 1074 01:08:48,023 --> 01:08:51,686 And then they killed some pigs in a very sacrificial way. 1075 01:09:01,003 --> 01:09:01,992 By this time, 1076 01:09:02,104 --> 01:09:04,504 I felt that there was something very profound and moving 1077 01:09:04,607 --> 01:09:05,665 about this experience, 1078 01:09:05,774 --> 01:09:08,709 so I ran back to the house to get Francis, 1079 01:09:08,811 --> 01:09:10,278 and I said, "You know, you've got to see this, 1080 01:09:10,379 --> 01:09:12,973 "because they're going to kill a caribou." 1081 01:09:13,082 --> 01:09:14,913 He was writing and didn't really wanna come, 1082 01:09:15,017 --> 01:09:17,577 but I really encouraged him to come back to the location. 1083 01:09:17,686 --> 01:09:20,655 And we got back there just maybe 10 minutes 1084 01:09:20,756 --> 01:09:24,385 before they killed this caribou in this ritual way. 1085 01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:26,723 The caribou was standing there, 1086 01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:29,059 and they just seemed to come out from nowhere 1087 01:09:29,165 --> 01:09:33,329 and just kill it very quickly with these big machetes, 1088 01:09:33,435 --> 01:09:35,266 and it fell to the ground. 1089 01:09:37,139 --> 01:09:40,074 There was something very beautiful and strong and profound 1090 01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:41,643 about these people who killed this animal, 1091 01:09:41,744 --> 01:09:46,181 and then they all ate it at a festival, 1092 01:09:46,282 --> 01:09:48,113 kind of like Thanksgiving. 1093 01:09:57,593 --> 01:09:59,720 As Francis and I were getting ready to leave, 1094 01:09:59,828 --> 01:10:01,762 the mayor asked if we would do the priest 1095 01:10:01,864 --> 01:10:04,264 the honor of accepting the best part of the caribou 1096 01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:07,267 that is usually reserved for him, the heart. 1097 01:10:07,803 --> 01:10:09,202 We thanked him. 1098 01:10:09,305 --> 01:10:10,329 Through a translator, 1099 01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,033 he said that he would like his picture taken with Francis. 1100 01:10:13,142 --> 01:10:14,234 I took a photograph 1101 01:10:14,343 --> 01:10:17,904 of the two priests and Francis standing there together. 1102 01:10:20,516 --> 01:10:26,318 It was enough like people in war who get set up like little tribal chieftains 1103 01:10:26,422 --> 01:10:30,654 to stimulate the imagination along those lines. 1104 01:10:31,860 --> 01:10:37,093 A film director is kind of one of the last truly dictatorial posts left 1105 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,132 in a world getting more and more democratic. 1106 01:10:40,236 --> 01:10:43,330 So that, plus being 1107 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,465 in a distant, Oriental country, 1108 01:10:48,043 --> 01:10:51,137 the fact that pretty much it was my own money 1109 01:10:51,247 --> 01:10:55,377 and that I was making it on the crest of the acclaim of the Godfather films, 1110 01:10:55,484 --> 01:10:57,145 you know, I was wealthy, 1111 01:10:57,253 --> 01:11:01,383 did contribute to a state of mind that was like Kurtz. 1112 01:11:09,999 --> 01:11:11,990 What did they tell you? 1113 01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:18,700 They told me that you had gone 1114 01:11:19,808 --> 01:11:21,571 totally insane. 1115 01:11:23,879 --> 01:11:27,042 And that your 1116 01:11:27,149 --> 01:11:30,346 methods were unsound. 1117 01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:36,114 Are my methods unsound? 1118 01:11:42,064 --> 01:11:45,659 I don't see any method 1119 01:11:47,503 --> 01:11:48,868 at all, sir. 1120 01:11:55,511 --> 01:11:56,535 Thirty-eight takes 1121 01:11:56,645 --> 01:11:59,671 and Francis said the scene was never the way he wanted it. 1122 01:11:59,782 --> 01:12:01,943 The people who were playing the severed heads 1123 01:12:02,051 --> 01:12:03,985 sat in their boxes buried in the ground 1124 01:12:04,086 --> 01:12:06,611 from 8:00 in the morning till 6:00 at night. 1125 01:12:06,722 --> 01:12:10,351 All day they were there in the hot sun with smoke blowing on them. 1126 01:12:10,459 --> 01:12:13,587 Between takes, they were covered with umbrellas. 1127 01:13:05,214 --> 01:13:08,411 It's nice because this is the moment when Chief dies, 1128 01:13:08,517 --> 01:13:11,680 that he looks up and sees this harlequin figure 1129 01:13:11,787 --> 01:13:13,778 waving all the people away. 1130 01:13:13,889 --> 01:13:17,347 He sees, essentially, Dennis Hopper. Know what I mean? 1131 01:13:18,127 --> 01:13:21,824 Zap them with your siren, man! Zap them with the siren! 1132 01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:26,190 I have Dennis Hopper playing a spaced-out photojournalist 1133 01:13:26,301 --> 01:13:30,260 with 12 cameras who's here because he's gonna get the truth, 1134 01:13:30,372 --> 01:13:33,398 and it's all, "Man!" You know? 1135 01:13:33,509 --> 01:13:35,841 And he's a wonderful apparition. 1136 01:13:36,812 --> 01:13:40,714 I'm an American! An American civilian. Hi, Yanks. 1137 01:13:41,383 --> 01:13:42,975 Hi. American. 1138 01:13:43,085 --> 01:13:45,610 I didn't know till two weeks before I came in 1139 01:13:45,721 --> 01:13:47,154 I was even going to be in the picture, 1140 01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:53,252 much less play the photojournalist guy in tatters and rags, taking photographs, 1141 01:13:53,362 --> 01:13:57,560 trying to explain what this was all about and how it's blowing his mind away. 1142 01:13:57,666 --> 01:14:00,999 I was not in the greatest of shape, you know, 1143 01:14:01,103 --> 01:14:03,970 as far as, like, my career was concerned, 1144 01:14:04,072 --> 01:14:08,668 and it was delightful to hear that I was gonna go do anything anywhere. 1145 01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:13,214 And I really appreciate Francis' writing, 1146 01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:16,482 even though he does drop it on you sometimes, 1147 01:14:16,585 --> 01:14:19,554 and it does take you sometimes, an idiot like me, a whole day to learn it. 1148 01:14:19,988 --> 01:14:21,819 Why didn't you say that to him in the scene? 1149 01:14:21,924 --> 01:14:23,755 - Who? - Something clever like that. 1150 01:14:23,859 --> 01:14:26,123 When he says, "Who are you?" Why didn't you say, "Who are you?" 1151 01:14:26,228 --> 01:14:30,597 - Because I haven't learned my lines yet. - I know. You've had them for five days! 1152 01:14:30,699 --> 01:14:33,862 - The other thing I'd like to say is that... - Those glasses... 1153 01:14:33,969 --> 01:14:36,563 These glasses, I can't see anything through them. 1154 01:14:36,672 --> 01:14:40,631 But, like, every crack represents a life I've saved. 1155 01:14:41,944 --> 01:14:45,345 You know what I mean? They represent a life I've saved. 1156 01:14:45,447 --> 01:14:47,039 Say all that in the scene. 1157 01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:52,644 I do, but you see, the director says, "You don't know your lines." 1158 01:14:52,754 --> 01:14:54,381 Well, if you know your lines, 1159 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:56,390 then you can forget them. You can know, more or less... 1160 01:14:56,492 --> 01:15:00,258 Oh, I see, but that's what I'm trying to do. 1161 01:15:00,362 --> 01:15:01,886 Forget those lines. 1162 01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:04,329 No, but it's not fair to forget them if you never knew them. 1163 01:15:05,467 --> 01:15:08,903 I'm not gonna help you. You're going to help him, man. 1164 01:15:09,671 --> 01:15:11,332 You're gonna help him. 1165 01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,908 I mean, what are they gonna say, man, when he's gone, huh? 1166 01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:16,500 'Cause he dies when it dies, man. 1167 01:15:16,612 --> 01:15:18,546 When it dies, he dies. 1168 01:15:18,647 --> 01:15:20,114 What are they gonna say about him? 1169 01:15:20,215 --> 01:15:24,447 They're gonna say, "He was a kind man. He was a wise man. 1170 01:15:24,553 --> 01:15:26,418 "He had plans. He had wisdom." 1171 01:15:26,522 --> 01:15:28,183 Bullshit, man! 1172 01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:31,157 Am I gonna be the one that's gonna set them straight? 1173 01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:32,955 Look at me! Wrong! 1174 01:15:36,365 --> 01:15:37,389 You! 1175 01:16:03,859 --> 01:16:05,121 For years, Francis has dreamed 1176 01:16:05,227 --> 01:16:07,252 of a group of poets, filmmakers and writers 1177 01:16:07,362 --> 01:16:10,593 who would come together to form American Zoetrope. 1178 01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:14,999 This morning I realized that this was it, right here in the heart of the jungle. 1179 01:16:16,104 --> 01:16:20,336 When you stop looking for something, you see it right in front of you. 1180 01:16:27,249 --> 01:16:30,116 I'm not disclosing any trade secrets, but I want you to understand now 1181 01:16:30,218 --> 01:16:34,245 that Mr. Kurtz had taken a high seat amongst the devils of the land. 1182 01:16:34,356 --> 01:16:36,017 I mean, literally. 1183 01:16:38,727 --> 01:16:42,458 A group of natives appeared bearing a stretcher. 1184 01:16:43,398 --> 01:16:46,492 I looked down on the long, gaunt figure of Kurtz, 1185 01:16:48,337 --> 01:16:50,430 the hollow cage of his ribs, 1186 01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:56,036 a bald skeleton head, like an ivory ball. 1187 01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:03,676 What did you do with Marlon Brando when he arrived? 1188 01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:07,448 Well, he was already heavy when I'd hired him, 1189 01:17:08,023 --> 01:17:10,423 and he promised me that he was gonna get in shape. 1190 01:17:10,525 --> 01:17:15,622 And I imagined if he were heavy, I could use that. 1191 01:17:16,164 --> 01:17:19,327 But he was so fat, he was very, very shy about it. 1192 01:17:19,434 --> 01:17:22,232 Immediately when I saw him, I said, "Well, I'll write this as a man 1193 01:17:22,337 --> 01:17:27,036 "who really, you know, had indulged every aspect of himself." 1194 01:17:27,142 --> 01:17:32,239 So he was fat, and he had two or three tribal girls with him 1195 01:17:32,347 --> 01:17:34,815 and was eating mangoes and kind of go the other way. 1196 01:17:34,916 --> 01:17:37,384 And he was very, very adamant 1197 01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,317 that he didn't wanna portray himself that way. 1198 01:17:39,821 --> 01:17:44,053 I mean, clearly, he had just, kind of, left me in a tough spot. 1199 01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:46,719 The clock was ticking on this deal he had. 1200 01:17:46,828 --> 01:17:49,888 We had to finish him within three weeks, 1201 01:17:49,998 --> 01:17:52,899 or we'd go into a very expensive overage. 1202 01:17:53,001 --> 01:17:56,801 So the whole company was sitting up on the set, around the camera, 1203 01:17:56,905 --> 01:17:59,339 the crew all poised to go and shoot, 1204 01:17:59,441 --> 01:18:03,434 and Francis and Marlon would be talking about the character. 1205 01:18:03,545 --> 01:18:05,604 And whole days would go by. 1206 01:18:06,281 --> 01:18:09,876 And this is at Marlon's urging, 1207 01:18:09,985 --> 01:18:12,419 and yet, he's getting paid for it. 1208 01:18:13,455 --> 01:18:15,946 One of the things Francis said to Marlon in the beginning, 1209 01:18:16,058 --> 01:18:19,118 "Read Heart of Darkness. This is what we're going for." 1210 01:18:19,227 --> 01:18:22,094 And Marlon really worked hours with Francis, 1211 01:18:22,197 --> 01:18:23,494 trying to develop the dialog 1212 01:18:23,598 --> 01:18:27,762 and develop what it was that he said in these circumstances. 1213 01:18:27,869 --> 01:18:31,032 And, of course, after Francis had some dialogs with him, 1214 01:18:31,139 --> 01:18:35,940 he realized that Marlon had never read Heart of Darkness, 1215 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:39,343 and it was a complete shock. 1216 01:18:40,482 --> 01:18:42,814 Marlon's basic notes, as I understood them, 1217 01:18:42,918 --> 01:18:46,012 as I just glanced at them, were all motivation things. 1218 01:18:46,121 --> 01:18:51,149 In other words, it's like getting in to saying, "Why is he going on a boat?" 1219 01:18:51,259 --> 01:18:52,658 And I can't answer them, 1220 01:18:52,761 --> 01:18:56,822 because it's too late for me to change the structure. 1221 01:18:56,932 --> 01:19:01,028 So what I really need from him are the facts about who he is. 1222 01:19:01,136 --> 01:19:03,263 And in a way, I don't even care. 1223 01:19:03,371 --> 01:19:08,673 Is he a fat guy who's got his shirt off and starting to wear necklaces? 1224 01:19:08,777 --> 01:19:13,009 Or is he bulging, is his uniform bulging at the buttons? 1225 01:19:13,115 --> 01:19:15,345 But I know that this guy's a fucking traitor... 1226 01:19:15,450 --> 01:19:16,576 You don't let me talk to you. 1227 01:19:16,685 --> 01:19:18,915 See, my problem is not only I have to come up with a scene, 1228 01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:22,319 but it's gotta have the right shape to fit in the jigsaw puzzle. 1229 01:19:22,424 --> 01:19:23,914 Maybe I ought to get Dennis Hopper in this scene, 1230 01:19:24,025 --> 01:19:25,754 so it's just not with two characters. 1231 01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:28,261 - You know. - No, I don't know, Francis. 1232 01:19:28,363 --> 01:19:30,194 You know, I don't. Nobody's told me. 1233 01:19:30,298 --> 01:19:31,629 I mean, I have been afraid 1234 01:19:31,733 --> 01:19:33,667 to even put Dennis Hopper and Marlon together 1235 01:19:33,769 --> 01:19:37,034 'cause, Christ, I haven't figured out what Marty's going to do with Marlon. 1236 01:19:37,139 --> 01:19:39,403 What happens if I got crazy Dennis Hopper in there? 1237 01:19:39,508 --> 01:19:40,998 - I know nothing. - I'll tell you. 1238 01:19:41,109 --> 01:19:44,044 - But you don't let me tell you. - Oh, I see. 1239 01:19:46,148 --> 01:19:47,979 Kurtz found out that he was an assassin 1240 01:19:48,083 --> 01:19:50,108 who was sent to kill him. 1241 01:19:50,218 --> 01:19:52,914 - I know that. I have that information. - Yeah. 1242 01:19:53,021 --> 01:19:54,545 Okay, that's what I'm saying. 1243 01:19:54,656 --> 01:19:55,884 Okay, just do what I ask. 1244 01:19:55,991 --> 01:19:59,392 When I say you just explain the poem and the reason you're explaining is... 1245 01:19:59,494 --> 01:20:00,756 But, you see, I need to know reasons. 1246 01:20:00,862 --> 01:20:01,851 I'm telling you the reason. 1247 01:20:01,963 --> 01:20:04,659 I can't ever talk more than a fucking sentence! 1248 01:20:04,766 --> 01:20:07,633 The reason that you're explaining the poem to him 1249 01:20:07,736 --> 01:20:09,966 is because you want to indicate to this guy 1250 01:20:10,071 --> 01:20:13,871 that he does not understand Kurtz, that Kurtz is a strange man. 1251 01:20:13,975 --> 01:20:18,344 What you're trying to express is that he's, kind of, in the twilight zone, 1252 01:20:18,446 --> 01:20:21,142 that his twilight zone is our twilight zone. 1253 01:20:21,249 --> 01:20:23,581 It's America's twilight zone. 1254 01:20:23,685 --> 01:20:25,983 So that he will not judge him. 1255 01:20:26,087 --> 01:20:29,579 So that he will accept him as a great man and help him. 1256 01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:35,462 Okay, man. 1257 01:20:35,964 --> 01:20:37,693 There's no good, right, wrong, bad. 1258 01:20:37,799 --> 01:20:39,266 One through nine and back to one. 1259 01:20:39,367 --> 01:20:41,267 No fractions, no maybes, no supposes. 1260 01:20:41,369 --> 01:20:43,963 You can't travel in space. You can't go out into space. 1261 01:20:44,072 --> 01:20:46,734 You know, without, like, you know, with fractions. 1262 01:20:46,842 --> 01:20:48,673 What are you gonna land on? One quarter? Three-eighths? 1263 01:20:48,777 --> 01:20:51,507 What are you gonna do when you go from here to Venus or something? 1264 01:20:51,613 --> 01:20:53,513 That's dialectic physics, okay? 1265 01:20:53,615 --> 01:20:55,549 Dialectic logic is there's only love and hate. 1266 01:20:55,650 --> 01:20:58,448 You either love somebody or you hate them! 1267 01:21:03,792 --> 01:21:05,020 So what I should do... 1268 01:21:05,827 --> 01:21:10,059 What I should do is just shoot for the next three weeks irrationally. 1269 01:21:11,032 --> 01:21:14,331 In other words, if I did an improvisation every day 1270 01:21:14,436 --> 01:21:16,904 between Marlon Brando and Marty Sheen, 1271 01:21:17,005 --> 01:21:22,466 would l, at that time, have more magical and, in a way, telling moments 1272 01:21:23,745 --> 01:21:27,511 than if I just closed down for three weeks 1273 01:21:27,616 --> 01:21:29,880 and write a structure that then they act? 1274 01:21:29,985 --> 01:21:31,009 And the answer would be 1275 01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,883 I'm much better off to do an improvisation everyday. 1276 01:21:33,989 --> 01:21:35,684 Two-sixty, take 3. 1277 01:21:41,396 --> 01:21:43,261 What is the blood lust? 1278 01:21:49,738 --> 01:21:51,399 The blood lust... 1279 01:21:52,941 --> 01:21:54,499 The blood lust, 1280 01:21:55,710 --> 01:21:56,904 they say, 1281 01:21:59,648 --> 01:22:02,116 all the men that I've read about, 1282 01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:09,284 they say that the human animal is the only one that has blood lust. 1283 01:22:13,895 --> 01:22:15,886 Killing without purpose. 1284 01:22:17,432 --> 01:22:19,195 Killing for pleasure. 1285 01:22:20,135 --> 01:22:22,433 You can see light through this. 1286 01:22:25,206 --> 01:22:29,870 You take the ones that are made for garbage detail. 1287 01:22:31,046 --> 01:22:35,210 You take the others who are made to think, but who can't act. 1288 01:22:35,317 --> 01:22:36,807 You take... 1289 01:22:40,922 --> 01:22:42,549 I swallowed a bug. 1290 01:22:44,192 --> 01:22:48,526 It's irresistible when a bee discovers honey. 1291 01:22:50,932 --> 01:22:53,162 He's irresistibly driven... 1292 01:22:54,202 --> 01:22:56,170 My... My friend laughs. 1293 01:22:57,572 --> 01:22:59,062 He's my critic. 1294 01:23:01,643 --> 01:23:05,670 My only critic perhaps, outside of myself. 1295 01:23:07,115 --> 01:23:11,211 I mean, in a way, I'm like on a room with all the floors covered with Vaseline 1296 01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:13,810 and all these new elements are coming at me. 1297 01:23:13,922 --> 01:23:15,514 And I'm trying to go ahead, 1298 01:23:15,623 --> 01:23:19,582 but now I've got Marlon Brando as an incredible joker to play. 1299 01:23:19,694 --> 01:23:23,562 And he's like a force of his own 'cause he don't give a shit. 1300 01:23:24,766 --> 01:23:30,261 I want a character of a monumental nature 1301 01:23:30,372 --> 01:23:34,001 who is struggling with the extremities of his soul 1302 01:23:35,543 --> 01:23:38,740 and is struggling with them on such a level 1303 01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:42,010 that you're in awe of it and is destroyed by them. 1304 01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:49,014 It takes bravery. 1305 01:23:49,891 --> 01:23:53,987 The deepest bullets are not to be feared. 1306 01:23:54,095 --> 01:23:57,895 Phosphorous, napalm are nothing to be feared, 1307 01:23:57,999 --> 01:24:02,333 but to look inward, to see that twisted 1308 01:24:02,437 --> 01:24:07,374 mind that lies beneath the surface of all humans 1309 01:24:08,410 --> 01:24:13,211 and to say, "Yes, I accept you. 1310 01:24:14,549 --> 01:24:16,642 "I even love you because you're a part of me. 1311 01:24:16,751 --> 01:24:18,912 "You're an extension of me." 1312 01:24:21,756 --> 01:24:23,781 - What? - Can you walk now? 1313 01:24:29,431 --> 01:24:31,262 Why are we in Vietnam? 1314 01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:37,067 It's our time to grab this moment in history. 1315 01:24:41,242 --> 01:24:42,971 It's our time to... 1316 01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:46,042 - To teach. - Microphone. 1317 01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:58,718 I can't think of anymore dialog to say. 1318 01:25:00,528 --> 01:25:03,088 And I am feeling like an idiot 1319 01:25:04,499 --> 01:25:07,991 having set in motion stuff that doesn't make any sense, 1320 01:25:08,103 --> 01:25:10,799 that doesn't match, and yet I am doing it. 1321 01:25:10,905 --> 01:25:13,305 And the reason I'm doing it is out of desperation, 1322 01:25:13,408 --> 01:25:15,933 'cause I have no rational way to do it. 1323 01:25:16,044 --> 01:25:19,275 What I have to admit is that I don't know what I'm doing. 1324 01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:21,075 Well, how do you account for the discrepancy 1325 01:25:21,182 --> 01:25:22,376 between what you feel about it 1326 01:25:22,484 --> 01:25:24,042 and what everybody else who see it feels? 1327 01:25:24,152 --> 01:25:28,714 Because they see the magic of what has happened before. 1328 01:25:28,823 --> 01:25:32,782 I'm saying, "Hey, it's not gonna happen! I don't have any performances. 1329 01:25:32,894 --> 01:25:35,419 "The script doesn't make sense. I have no ending." 1330 01:25:35,530 --> 01:25:38,863 I'm like a voice crying out, saying, 1331 01:25:38,967 --> 01:25:41,663 "Please, it's not working! Somebody get me off this." 1332 01:25:41,769 --> 01:25:42,758 And nobody listens to me! 1333 01:25:42,871 --> 01:25:45,567 Everyone says, "y es, well, Francis works best in a crisis." 1334 01:25:45,673 --> 01:25:48,870 I'm saying, "This is one crisis I'm not gonna pull myself out of!" 1335 01:25:48,977 --> 01:25:52,242 I'm making a bad movie. So why should I go ahead? I'd rather... 1336 01:25:52,914 --> 01:25:55,144 I'm gonna be bankrupt anyway. 1337 01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:59,149 Why can't I just have the courage to say, "It's no good"? 1338 01:26:01,789 --> 01:26:04,155 There's almost anything I'd do to get out of it. 1339 01:26:04,259 --> 01:26:07,717 I'm already thinking about what kind of sickness I can get. 1340 01:26:07,829 --> 01:26:10,059 I'm in the rain on the platform thinking if I just moved a little, 1341 01:26:10,165 --> 01:26:11,723 I'd just fall 30 feet. 1342 01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:14,768 It might kill me, but it might paralyze me or something. 1343 01:26:15,803 --> 01:26:18,067 It'd be a graceful way out. 1344 01:26:20,708 --> 01:26:23,108 Did you ever fear for his sanity? 1345 01:26:23,378 --> 01:26:27,405 Well, he did, at one point, he fainted, kind of... 1346 01:26:27,515 --> 01:26:29,380 He had a collapse. 1347 01:26:29,851 --> 01:26:30,943 And he told me 1348 01:26:31,052 --> 01:26:34,021 that he could see himself going down a dark tunnel, 1349 01:26:34,122 --> 01:26:36,989 and he didn't know if he was dying or leaving this reality 1350 01:26:37,091 --> 01:26:38,149 or what was happening to him. 1351 01:26:40,195 --> 01:26:41,719 But he'd gone to the threshold, 1352 01:26:41,829 --> 01:26:46,198 maybe, of his sanity or something. 1353 01:26:49,571 --> 01:26:53,769 It was scary, but also kind of exhilarating or thrilling 1354 01:26:53,875 --> 01:26:58,175 that he would take such risks with himself 1355 01:26:59,581 --> 01:27:01,674 in his experience to go that far. 1356 01:27:01,783 --> 01:27:04,809 And I think this film was all about risking, 1357 01:27:04,919 --> 01:27:06,181 risking your money, 1358 01:27:06,287 --> 01:27:09,916 risking your sanity, 1359 01:27:10,024 --> 01:27:13,585 risking how far you could press your family members... 1360 01:27:13,695 --> 01:27:14,889 I mean, everything that he did, 1361 01:27:14,996 --> 01:27:19,558 he went to the extremes to test those fringe regions 1362 01:27:19,667 --> 01:27:21,362 and then come back. 1363 01:27:22,103 --> 01:27:24,037 Nothing is so terrible as a pretentious movie. 1364 01:27:24,138 --> 01:27:27,107 I mean, a movie that aspires for something really terrific 1365 01:27:27,208 --> 01:27:30,143 and doesn't pull it off is shit, it's scum, 1366 01:27:30,745 --> 01:27:32,212 and everyone will walk on it as such. 1367 01:27:32,313 --> 01:27:35,805 And that's what poor filmmakers, in a way, that's their greatest horror, 1368 01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:37,475 is to be pretentious. 1369 01:27:37,585 --> 01:27:38,643 So here you are, on one hand, 1370 01:27:38,753 --> 01:27:40,618 trying to aspire to really do something, 1371 01:27:40,722 --> 01:27:42,986 on the other hand, you're not allowed to be pretentious. 1372 01:27:43,091 --> 01:27:46,925 And finally you say, "Fuck it! I don't care if I'm pretentious or not pretentious, 1373 01:27:47,028 --> 01:27:48,393 "or if I've done it or I haven't done it." 1374 01:27:48,496 --> 01:27:51,488 All I know is that I am going to see this movie, 1375 01:27:51,599 --> 01:27:53,794 and that, for me, it has to have some answers. 1376 01:27:53,901 --> 01:27:55,801 And by "answers," I don't mean just a punch line. 1377 01:27:55,903 --> 01:27:58,497 Answers on about 47 different levels. 1378 01:27:58,906 --> 01:28:02,740 It's very hard to talk about these things without being very corny. 1379 01:28:02,844 --> 01:28:05,574 You use a word like self-purgation or epiphany, 1380 01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,875 they think you're either a religious weirdo 1381 01:28:07,982 --> 01:28:09,847 or, you know, an asshole college professor. 1382 01:28:09,951 --> 01:28:13,648 But those are the words for the process, this transmutation, 1383 01:28:14,255 --> 01:28:17,224 this renaissance, this rebirth, 1384 01:28:18,526 --> 01:28:20,790 which is the basis of all life. 1385 01:28:21,529 --> 01:28:23,759 The one rule that all man, 1386 01:28:23,865 --> 01:28:26,026 from the time they first were walking around, 1387 01:28:26,134 --> 01:28:27,567 Iooking up at the sun, 1388 01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:29,864 scratching around for food and an animal to kill, 1389 01:28:30,204 --> 01:28:34,470 the first concept that, I feel, got into their head 1390 01:28:34,575 --> 01:28:36,975 was the idea of life and death. 1391 01:28:37,078 --> 01:28:39,410 That the sun went down and the sun went up. 1392 01:28:39,514 --> 01:28:42,415 That the crop, when they learned how to make a crop, it died. 1393 01:28:42,517 --> 01:28:43,984 In the winter, everything died. 1394 01:28:44,085 --> 01:28:45,245 The first man, he must have thought, 1395 01:28:45,353 --> 01:28:46,786 "Oh, my God, it's the end of the world!" 1396 01:28:46,888 --> 01:28:49,482 And then all of a sudden, there was spring, 1397 01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:51,080 and everything came alive, and it was better! 1398 01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:53,850 I mean, after all, look at Vietnam. 1399 01:28:53,961 --> 01:28:56,054 Look at my movie. You'll see what I'm talking. 1400 01:31:16,904 --> 01:31:18,235 The horror. 1401 01:31:22,143 --> 01:31:23,610 The horror. 1402 01:31:37,291 --> 01:31:40,749 The river, sleepless, 1403 01:31:40,862 --> 01:31:43,729 crowded with memories of men and ships, 1404 01:31:44,565 --> 01:31:47,796 hunters for gold and pursuers of fame. 1405 01:31:47,902 --> 01:31:51,360 What greatness has not flowed on the ebb of that river 1406 01:31:51,472 --> 01:31:54,100 into the mystery of an unknown earth? 1407 01:31:54,775 --> 01:31:59,007 The dreams of men, the seed of commonwealths, 1408 01:31:59,947 --> 01:32:02,006 the germs of empires. 1409 01:32:04,385 --> 01:32:07,047 The river is black tonight, my friends. 1410 01:32:07,421 --> 01:32:12,222 Look, it seems to lead into the heart 1411 01:32:12,326 --> 01:32:14,260 of an immense darkness. 1412 01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:41,210 To me, the great hope 1413 01:32:41,322 --> 01:32:44,416 is that now these little eight-millimeter video recorders 1414 01:32:44,525 --> 01:32:46,117 and stuff are coming out, 1415 01:32:46,227 --> 01:32:48,092 some people who normally wouldn't make movies 1416 01:32:48,195 --> 01:32:49,753 are gonna be making them. 1417 01:32:49,864 --> 01:32:51,058 And, you know, suddenly, one day, 1418 01:32:51,165 --> 01:32:54,396 some little fat girl in Ohio is gonna be the new Mozart 1419 01:32:54,502 --> 01:32:59,496 and make a beautiful film with her little father's camcorder. 1420 01:32:59,607 --> 01:33:02,337 And, for once, the so-called professionalism about movies 1421 01:33:02,443 --> 01:33:07,073 will be destroyed forever, you know, and it will really become an art form. 1422 01:33:09,784 --> 01:33:11,411 That's my opinion. 120309

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