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Controversial rapper
and actor Tupac Shakur
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has died in a Las
Vegas hospital.
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Rap star Biggie
Smalls, The Notorious B.I.G.,
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was shot today by
a drive-by gunman.
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Someone had had
enough of seeing this and
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there was an anonymous letter
sent to law enforcement
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saying these guys are
living like drug dealers.
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Y'all can't wait
til he's just gone for good
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so they can fully
breathe a sigh of relief.
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He's dead.
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That person's dead.
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And everybody feels comfortable
with the fact of that.
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When I say everybody, I
mean whoever set it up.
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They're not going to
rest until Suge Knight
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is dead or in jail.
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It was a set-up.
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Could you please state
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your full name for the record?
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Yes.
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Tupac Amaru Shakur.
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I started off with
poetry, writing poetry.
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But.
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Like, junior high, high school?
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Yes, junior high, high school.
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And...
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Poets, I saw,
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were like looked
on as like wimps.
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So I did that personally,
but then I started turning
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the poetry into songs.
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From the moment
that I met Tupac,
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at the age of 17,
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he was one of the most startling
individuals I've ever met.
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He was, and still is,
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just one of the
most amazing voices.
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I loved Pac instantly.
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It's how you're raised.
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We weren't raised barricaded,
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although the FBI was always
lurking around and all of that,
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but you still went
about your business.
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The kids still played outside.
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When they came upstairs, they
came upstairs and ate dinner.
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The only lock on the door was
your police bar in New York
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and your little
lock but you weren't
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standing at the
window with guns.
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That's not what his life was.
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It may have been others,
but it wasn't his.
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He became like my
little brother, actually.
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I work with many
different artists,
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but he's the guy who invites
you to your home, you know,
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who you talk to late at night.
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He was just very
easy to know, for me.
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I kind of feel like he was
that way with many more people
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which is why he's so missed,
because when people met him,
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they really got a chance
to get a piece of him.
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Months and months, I
kept talking about needing
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a young artist that had a voice,
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that could translate and
cross all boundaries.
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Tupac was one of those guys
who said what was on his mind.
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Plenty of days and nights,
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the brother, he kept a
smile on us, we kept joking.
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He was one of those guys
that had a personality that
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he wasn't always
serious, you know.
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Man, he could be going through
the worst things in court
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and things like that, facing
the worst things in his world
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but he always kept a smile
on his face, he always,
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you know, he always
kept us laughing.
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It is of my opinion
that I was rapping
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while I was writing poetry.
Okay.
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So, I was into rap,
I guess you could say,
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from junior high when
I wrote my first poem.
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I fought a lot of people
around me because Pac,
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when he was so young, he
was already a contradiction
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in so many ways,
externally and internally,
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and he lived out loud.
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So, nothing surprised me.
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He was so in your face.
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Pac really down-to-earth.
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He was a good dude.
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He had good intentions,
you know what I mean?
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It's just that, unfortunately,
sometimes in the streets,
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it can mislead us and have us
going the wrong way, you know?
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A lot of people nowadays
like to say Tupac was loyal,
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but Tupac was really
only loyal to Tupac.
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He was loyal to what he wanted.
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What my and Pac's
friendship and love was about,
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was about making shit happen.
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If you could ride with
that, he was fine with it.
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But, if it was something
you couldn't ride with,
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he would move on or if you
did something he didn't like
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or if you didn't give
him the attention that he
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thought he needed at
that particular time,
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he was done with you.
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He might just be done
with you for the night,
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but he was done with you,
at least for that night
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and then he may reconsider
the next morning and
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you guys would be fine.
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But that's just how Tupac was.
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And after I heard on
the radio that there were
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other poets who made records
and they were selling
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and they was working,
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then I decided to change
the method of my poetry.
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He had Los
Angeles police officers
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working within the organization,
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Compton police officers working
inside the organization.
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Their badges stopped us
from getting to the truth.
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No one is above the law.
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This is a fundamental
principle in our society
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and when it is violated,
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it's the job of the Department
of Justice to step in
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and hold individuals
accountable.
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The 51-year-old
deputy chief is now
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facing federal charges
of selling drugs,
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three drugs in particular:
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Oxycodone, heroin and marijuana.
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In a three year investigation,
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the San Francisco police
officers have been indicted.
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All the officers were put on
administrative assignment,
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taken off of any street.
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Certain officers,
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because of the seriousness of
the allegation, were disarmed.
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And unfortunately, in
this particular case,
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we had to take three police
officers who were sworn
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to uphold public
safety off the street.
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You know, from my point of view,
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I'm battling the Mexican
cartels in Chicago,
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now I gotta worry about this.
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Now I gotta worry about this,
now I gotta worry about this.
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Turn it off.
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Turn it off.
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I just enjoyed the
fringe benefits
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that came with the credential.
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Night life, the party life,
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the rubbing elbows
with the powerful
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in Juarez and Chihuahua.
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When I was with the Feds,
there was this one guy.
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This happened after the
Pablo Acosta incident.
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We were doing a job.
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One of the other
agents had a case
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and we were called
in to help him.
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We went into his house,
a real nice house.
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I turn around, there's a bag,
a paper bag, a grocery bag.
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I look into it and there
were piles of money and
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inside the sealed bag there was
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many bags of ounces of cocaine.
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If I would have been smart
I would have kept it.
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But that wasn't my, you know,
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that wasn't my thing,
it was share alike.
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So I gave that money to
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the person in
charge of that job.
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And some other agents were
San-Ra-ck-ing, taking everything.
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They were stealing everything.
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And the person I gave the
money to stole the money.
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He never reported it.
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So I came back home that night.
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I get a knock.
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And I walk out and it was two
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of the commandant's right hands.
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Commander found out
about the money,
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and they turned around
and blamed me for it.
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I was tortured.
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The same thing we did to the
criminals was done to me.
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And the one pointing
the finger blaming me
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was the same guy that was taking
everything from the house.
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As I was, the first
time as they were.
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They bounded, they
tied my hands, my face.
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Gave me water shocks.
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When they started beating me up,
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the commander was accusing
me of being a DEA agent,
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working in Mexico.
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That was the only time
I had that problem.
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This was a commander talking.
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The first night I went in there,
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they asked me,
where's the money.
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I gave the money to him.
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The guy I gave the money
said, no, no you didn't.
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And since he was the
commander's right hand,
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you know, he believed
him more than me.
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So they took me into his office.
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They handcuffed my hands.
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They tied my legs, they
put me on the ground.
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They shoved a rag up my mouth.
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They put a handkerchief
on my face.
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And gave me the water treatment.
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Mineral water with
a pepper powder.
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My father gave 20 some
thousand dollars to them.
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They called me, they
pulled me out of the cell.
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And they took me into an office,
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and the commander turned around,
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and he cursed at me for a while,
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and he turned around
and told my father,
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you know, I tortured him.
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Ain't shit he can do about it.
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I was pretty messed up.
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It was after 30 days
my face was swollen,
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my body was hurting.
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I had a beard, my hair
was all messed up.
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I remember crossing the
bridge and the guy at the
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port of entry just looked at
me, and said, are you okay?
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No, what's wrong with you?
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Nothing, kept walking.
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In the mid 1980s,
the cocaine trade
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had sort of shifted from Miami,
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because a lot of the law
enforcement there, to Los Angeles.
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As the volume of cocaine
cases, and frankly,
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the volume of cocaine per
case started to grow and grow,
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the sheriff's department
selected some of
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their best narcotics
officers to be
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what they called
their majors crews,
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to go after the
big, significant,
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large-scale narcotics
distributors.
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The majors units at the
LA Sheriff's Department were
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Majors-I, Majors-II,
Majors-III, and Majors-IV.
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Operation Big Spender
was an epic announcement
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to discover and ferret
out and punish corruption
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by elite law
enforcement officers.
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It started because some
of these sheriff's deputies
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who are putting their lives
on the line every day,
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as they would seize money,
they at some point came up
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with the idea of taking
a little bit of the money
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to try to get better equipment
to help them do their jobs.
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Over time it morphed into,
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maybe people were going to
lunch that day from the unit,
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so they would take some of
the money from the kitty,
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as they called it, and
they'd use it for lunch.
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And then a little later on
it might be the weekend,
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and they were all going
out, and it's like,
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hey, let's take a little money
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from the kitty for
when we go out.
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Here's a good example.
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The time we took
the Iranians down,
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and we have a million
dollars in cash
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in fives, tens, and twenties,
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spread through all of our desks.
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They wouldn't let us
use the money counter,
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so we had to do it by hand.
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We ordered pizza, and so we're
all digging in our pockets,
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trying to come up with
enough to pay the pizza guy,
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and he's looking at
us like we're crazy,
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because here's a million dollars
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spread out all
over these tables.
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And then before you know
it, as time progresses on,
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and certainly by the
time of the majors teams,
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forget the kitty.
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When we seize money,
let's just take some.
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The predication came
from drug dealers.
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Later on we find out
that not only had they
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been planting drugs on my guys,
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but they had been planting drugs
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and lying on the witness stand,
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and fabricating search warrants
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for a lot of other people.
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Too many drug dealers
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came forward and
spoke to officials,
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and created a buzz
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where similar, if not
identical, scenarios of,
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hey, I don't, it's all the same
to me, but just so you know,
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they reported $50,000
seized from me,
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I had $100,000 in cash.
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Basically they put
away the gang thing,
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and became people that
had organizations,
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and like Whitey's World,
the Way Out World,
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the World on Wheels,
Cobra Enterprises.
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These were all African-American
gang members that had
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narcotic organizations that
made millions of dollars.
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Bunch of my guys
had been getting
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drugs planted on them when
they didn't have no drugs,
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when they wasn't selling
drugs, and I wanted to find out
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who these cops were
that was doing this.
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Ricky Ross was a
legendary drug dealer,
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but so were a lot
of people in LA.
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They was taking the drugs
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from one person, planting
'em on another person,
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and selling 'em to
this person, and just,
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you know, just a
criminal enterprise.
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Sometimes it happened
invisibly to the drug dealer,
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but sometimes it happened
right out in the open,
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where a seeming
confidence had developed
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among the detectives, nobody's
gonna believe this person.
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At some point in, I think, 1988,
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someone had had
enough of seeing this
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and there was an
anonymous letter
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sent to law enforcement saying
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these guys are living
like drug dealers.
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You need to check 'em out.
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They're spending money
like drug dealers,
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they have money
like drug dealers.
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And they're living the
life of drug dealers.
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That led to a lengthy and
exhaustive investigation
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culminating in a sting,
where they actually had
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a wired-up,
videoed-up hotel room
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with plant, alleged drug
money in, I think, 1989.
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And they actually caught
members of the Majors-II
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sheriff's unit stealing money.
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Thieves doing the thieving,
live before your eyes.
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Yeah, taken a 20 and
nobody'd have ever known,
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but it was something
that, you know,
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in me, that I would've
never been able to sleep.
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I would have been
waiting for them
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to come and knock on my
door and take me away
300
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for taking $20 from a dirtbag
dope dealer with a million.
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The sergeant on that
crew, a guy named Robert
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or Bob Sobel, wound up
flipping, or cooperating,
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and then he testified
in the first trial.
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And because of the
information he gave,
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and later, others, the
investigation spread
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to the other major
narcotics crews.
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You didn't have to do
very much persuasion
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that there was
something rotten here,
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because you can see it.
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As well as study
financial records.
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You could see thievery occur.
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On the one hand, you
have Operation Big Spender,
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and the Los Angeles County
Sheriffs being prosecuted,
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and on the other
side of the fence
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you have the city of Compton.
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Of course it's not uncommon,
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you can take any large
city or medium city
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or relatively small
city, like Compton,
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with a population of
approximately 100,000,
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and you're gonna
be able to identify
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00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:49,127
in its historical record
there was corruption.
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There are no lines that
323
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:55,801
people with power in Compton
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00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:58,737
were unwilling to cross
to defend their power.
325
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No legal lines, no moral
lines, no ethical lines.
326
00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:04,543
I just found that it
was the wild west.
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Virtually every town
328
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that has 19th century origins
in southern California
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started out as small
agricultural colonies.
330
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But Compton was unique
in that it was early on
331
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the settlers decided
to incorporate.
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Los Angeles at the turn of the
century is an emerging city.
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It's still not even
in the top 100 cities
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in the United States
in terms of population,
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00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:27,165
but it's on the make.
336
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,935
And just south of
Compton is Long Beach.
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These families have been
here 40, 50, 60 years.
338
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And so everyone knows everyone.
339
00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:39,878
You know, if you got caught
breaking into somebody's house,
340
00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:43,615
in the neighborhood,
you got a problem.
341
00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:46,685
If you stole from somebody
in the neighborhood,
342
00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,086
you got a problem.
343
00:19:48,087 --> 00:19:50,389
And if you were from
outside of the neighborhood
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they gonna check you out
and tell you leave here.
345
00:19:53,826 --> 00:19:56,061
So for African-Americans
coming from
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South Central Los Angeles,
347
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which was increasingly congested
and deteriorated housing,
348
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,669
for those middle class
African-Americans,
349
00:20:03,670 --> 00:20:06,438
they viewed Compton as nirvana,
350
00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:09,641
and whites are moving
en masse so quickly,
351
00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:12,778
I refer to it rather than
white flight as white exodus.
352
00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:16,949
By 1970 Compton is an
African-American majority community,
353
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and by the early 70s
the first community
354
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this side of the Mississippi
River entirely run
355
00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:29,861
politically and administratively
by African-Americans.
356
00:20:29,862 --> 00:20:33,299
So that's not a neighborhood
that we're gonna go into.
357
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:36,635
Be it Crip or Piru,
that if they see my face
358
00:20:36,636 --> 00:20:39,305
they're not gonna stop
and say, Omar, Omar.
359
00:20:39,306 --> 00:20:43,442
Compton, through the
70s and 80s and 90s
360
00:20:43,443 --> 00:20:47,779
enters a really trying,
challenging, difficult era.
361
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You had whites move out,
362
00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:52,718
and they took their
businesses with them.
363
00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:56,221
So the tax base, with
all of the banks gone,
364
00:20:56,222 --> 00:20:59,725
in fact, downtown
Compton is bulldozed.
365
00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:02,160
As that happens,
the infrastructure
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00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:03,695
of the city begins to decline.
367
00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:07,132
Now these rough streets are
because I'm no longer mayor.
368
00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:11,203
Now, you introduce a
cheap drug, crack cocaine.
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00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:17,075
That, with a rudimentary
gang structure,
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00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,044
that if it expands and becomes
371
00:21:19,045 --> 00:21:21,179
business-oriented in
an underground economy,
372
00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:22,848
can make a hell
of a lot of money.
373
00:21:22,849 --> 00:21:24,583
I was captain of the
fucking football team,
374
00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:27,186
A/B student, magnet.
375
00:21:28,321 --> 00:21:31,222
I should, I'm, we
out there gettin' it.
376
00:21:31,223 --> 00:21:32,958
Fuck with this nigga.
377
00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,494
Call my brothers so, we'd
have a super long ring,
378
00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:37,329
it's ridiculous.
379
00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:39,631
I ain't have no problem.
380
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:43,168
450 I sell, niggas
in the 10th grade.
381
00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:45,471
And for kids that can't
find jobs otherwise,
382
00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:47,072
and schools that
are deteriorating,
383
00:21:47,073 --> 00:21:48,874
they're having trouble
staying in school.
384
00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:52,143
You can make quick
money, a lot of money
385
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:56,482
if you do the selling of
drugs connected to gangs.
386
00:21:56,483 --> 00:21:58,650
I sold drugs 'cause I
was running from poverty.
387
00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,185
I didn't like being poor
and broke, you know.
388
00:22:00,186 --> 00:22:02,688
I didn't like not having
food in the refrigerator.
389
00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:04,856
I didn't like for the light man
390
00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:09,194
to be talking about cutting
my mom's lights off.
391
00:22:09,195 --> 00:22:12,564
Suge Knight was
a very powerful individual.
392
00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:14,666
He had connections
with the Compton mayor,
393
00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:18,303
and he had access to just
about the entire Blood gang.
394
00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:19,438
Death Row Records.
395
00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:20,606
Death Row Records.
Death Row.
396
00:22:20,607 --> 00:22:21,973
Death Row.
Death Row Records.
397
00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:23,274
Death Row.
Death Row.
398
00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:24,510
Death Row Records.
399
00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:26,011
This is Michael Harris.
400
00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:29,781
A man drug agents describe as
a major cocaine trafficker.
401
00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:32,117
Yeah, I knew Michael Harris.
402
00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:35,220
Yeah, he was trying to put
together his wife's album,
403
00:22:35,221 --> 00:22:38,457
and uh, matter of fact we
was cellies at the time.
404
00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:42,461
Harris, identifying
himself as original organizer
405
00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:46,398
and owner, names him as an
equal partner in Death Row.
406
00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:47,666
I told him that he should have
407
00:22:47,667 --> 00:22:51,102
Dr. Dre produce a song for him.
408
00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:52,438
And that's how his thing with
409
00:22:52,439 --> 00:22:55,140
the Suge and the Dre and
all started transpiring.
410
00:22:55,141 --> 00:22:56,809
I met Suge in a MDC.
411
00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,345
Harris' complaint also names
412
00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:02,981
criminal defense
attorney David Kenner
413
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:05,951
as the company general
counsel and organizer.
414
00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:07,786
Harry-O and a couple
other guys in there
415
00:23:07,787 --> 00:23:09,455
that was running
for David Kenner.
416
00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,922
You know, that was their game.
417
00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,124
You hire David Kenner
then they get a kickback.
418
00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:15,060
I was there when he
first told Kenner
419
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,662
about the music
business as well.
420
00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,930
Harry-O told David
Kenner that he would,
421
00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:21,567
he would make him more
money in the music business
422
00:23:21,568 --> 00:23:23,903
than he ever made doing law.
423
00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:28,707
What's up, boy?
424
00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:29,676
No work.
425
00:23:29,677 --> 00:23:30,909
What's goin' on, homie?
426
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:31,778
All right, what's up, Omar?
427
00:23:31,779 --> 00:23:33,278
Doing a documentary.
428
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:36,615
Corruption exacerbated things.
429
00:23:36,616 --> 00:23:40,519
As prominent political
figures were identified,
430
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,021
often with a federal
investigation
431
00:23:43,022 --> 00:23:45,090
of corruption on a
variety of charges.
432
00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:46,892
They had some
high-ranking people,
433
00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,661
like US Representative Tucker,
434
00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,830
taking some bribes
from a company,
435
00:23:51,831 --> 00:23:53,465
thinking it was a
rubbish company,
436
00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:55,567
or reclaim, reclamation company
437
00:23:55,568 --> 00:24:00,005
that was coming into Compton
and given favored status, and.
438
00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:02,574
And the FBI investigated.
439
00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:05,410
And then over a course
of time, found guilty.
440
00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:07,879
Did City Council meet in August?
441
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,880
No.
442
00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:10,115
And yet our producer
443
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:12,918
found that you were
being paid in August.
444
00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:13,786
Probably so.
445
00:24:13,787 --> 00:24:15,186
Why so?
446
00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:16,722
Tradition.
447
00:24:16,723 --> 00:24:19,357
I was, I mean, just to be
honest, I was really naive.
448
00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:22,928
I have worked in politics at
a lot of different levels.
449
00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:25,631
I have worked in
the White House.
450
00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:28,600
I've worked on five
Presidential campaigns.
451
00:24:28,601 --> 00:24:30,636
I'd been a deputy mayor.
452
00:24:30,637 --> 00:24:33,404
I'd been on state
board of education.
453
00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:36,207
I worked on a number
of mayoral campaigns
454
00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:37,509
and gubernatorial campaigns.
455
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:40,846
I had never, never
encountered politics
456
00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:42,914
like I encountered in Compton.
457
00:24:42,915 --> 00:24:45,150
Ben Austin worked
in the White House,
458
00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,185
so he's seen politics
of all kinds.
459
00:24:47,186 --> 00:24:48,654
They've gotta be pretty bad.
460
00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,122
Our research shows in 2012
461
00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:55,060
that City Council
members earn $39,000 each
462
00:24:55,061 --> 00:24:57,629
for serving on four commissions,
463
00:24:57,630 --> 00:25:00,899
which met for a
total of 26 hours.
464
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,102
That shakes out
to $1500 per hour.
465
00:25:04,103 --> 00:25:05,637
Compton was just the wild west,
466
00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:08,173
and there were simply no rules.
467
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,742
There were no lines
468
00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:12,611
that people with power
469
00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:16,014
in Compton were unwilling to
cross to defend their power.
470
00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:19,484
No legal lines, no moral
lines, no ethical lines.
471
00:25:19,485 --> 00:25:21,987
I just found that it
was the wild west.
472
00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:24,189
What commissions are you on?
473
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:25,692
Um, all of them.
474
00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:28,994
Do you have a favorite?
475
00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:30,829
A favorite? No.
476
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:32,363
Well, which one...
477
00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:35,200
I'm just serving on the
ones that's on the books.
478
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:37,036
So that's, well, CRAA.
479
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,441
Public finance.
480
00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:46,945
You caught me by...
481
00:25:46,946 --> 00:25:48,714
At nearby Huntington Park,
482
00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:51,917
council members make
less than $15,000 a year.
483
00:25:51,918 --> 00:25:54,185
Ditto over in Maywood,
the politicians there
484
00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:59,190
make about $6700 a year, and
in affluent Huntington Beach,
485
00:25:59,191 --> 00:26:01,760
council members
earn about $16,000.
486
00:26:01,761 --> 00:26:03,662
And the rules of engagement.
487
00:26:03,663 --> 00:26:06,064
The normal rules of
engagement do not apply.
488
00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,666
Do they do anything?
489
00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:10,135
Well, they listen to
the audience comments.
490
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:12,738
And then they may
comment on that.
491
00:26:12,739 --> 00:26:14,673
And then they decide something?
492
00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,342
There's nothing to decide.
493
00:26:17,343 --> 00:26:18,944
So, the people
that came into power
494
00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:22,447
hired their cousins, and
their uncles, and others
495
00:26:22,448 --> 00:26:24,883
into the jobs, especially in
the school district, right,
496
00:26:24,884 --> 00:26:29,520
which was the largest
employer for city residents.
497
00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:32,824
But in 1993, the state does
something unprecedented.
498
00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:35,193
It takes over the
Compton school district.
499
00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,028
State had never
done that before.
500
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:38,396
School board president announced
501
00:26:38,397 --> 00:26:41,000
during a debate about this that
502
00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:45,136
we just need to accept
that all children
503
00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:46,404
are not going to succeed.
504
00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:49,174
All kids are not
going to make it.
505
00:26:49,175 --> 00:26:51,009
That's just the opening salvo.
506
00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:54,412
That was their basic premise
from which they were operating.
507
00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:56,181
And everything else
flows from there.
508
00:26:56,182 --> 00:26:58,316
And the board.
509
00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,886
Sometimes we don't even
know what's going on.
510
00:27:00,887 --> 00:27:04,355
I mean it, the words that
were spoken in Compton.
511
00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:05,991
I gave you your five minutes,
512
00:27:05,992 --> 00:27:07,392
there will be no more speaking.
513
00:27:07,393 --> 00:27:10,028
And the actions
that were taken were
514
00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:12,630
in my mind, in an
alternate universe.
515
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,901
And like I said, I had
come there having worked
516
00:27:15,902 --> 00:27:18,236
in the White House and on
five Presidential campaigns.
517
00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:21,006
All kids are not
going to make it.
518
00:27:21,007 --> 00:27:24,142
And I had never seen
anything like this.
519
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:25,877
Adult issues are important.
520
00:27:25,878 --> 00:27:28,714
So you have, in that
period of the late 80s
521
00:27:28,715 --> 00:27:33,084
through the late 90s,
this mountain of scandals.
522
00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:35,653
In the school district,
and in City Hall,
523
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,889
in the representatives there,
524
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:39,825
the two are to
Congress from the city.
525
00:27:39,826 --> 00:27:43,094
I was at an education
conference in San Diego.
526
00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:45,197
And I saw across the hall
527
00:27:46,632 --> 00:27:48,700
a former Superintendent
of Compton.
528
00:27:48,701 --> 00:27:50,068
He just happened to be there.
529
00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:51,602
I remember it like
it was yesterday.
530
00:27:51,603 --> 00:27:54,339
He turns to me, and he says,
you're a crazy motherfucker.
531
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:56,107
And I said, well,
what do you mean?
532
00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:59,277
And he said, well, when I was
Superintendent of Compton,
533
00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:01,713
the mayor called
me one day and said
534
00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:03,715
that I needed to
sell a parcel of land
535
00:28:03,716 --> 00:28:06,151
to a developer friend of his.
536
00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,586
And, and he said.
537
00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:11,622
You know, that he refused.
538
00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:12,858
That he wasn't gonna do it.
539
00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:16,862
So soon after that a
school caught on fire.
540
00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:19,766
And a couple of
days, a week later,
541
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,633
another school catches on fire.
542
00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:24,435
And then it happens again.
543
00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:27,106
And so he called the fire chief.
544
00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:30,909
Or the police chief, I
don't remember which.
545
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:33,011
And he said, when
is this gonna stop?
546
00:28:33,012 --> 00:28:35,080
What's going on here,
we got a huge problem.
547
00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:37,682
And he said, the fires will stop
548
00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:40,318
when the mayor says
the fires will stop.
549
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,453
They were essentially
doing this eyes wide open.
550
00:28:42,454 --> 00:28:44,155
They had done a
report on themselves,
551
00:28:44,156 --> 00:28:48,193
they learned that the schools
were not performing well
552
00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:51,429
because of affirmative
decisions they were making,
553
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:53,198
and didn't make any changes.
554
00:28:53,199 --> 00:28:55,666
And that was, for me,
a real poster child
555
00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:59,470
for an educational system
that is fundamentally designed
556
00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:01,973
to serve the needs of adults,
not the needs of children.
557
00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:04,375
Adult issues are important.
558
00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:06,845
Kids in McKinley are
50 times more likely
559
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,147
to drop out of school
than to go to college.
560
00:29:09,148 --> 00:29:10,548
I mean, that's a huge concern,
561
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:11,983
and especially for these parents
562
00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:13,484
that want their kids to
succeed like any parent does.
563
00:29:13,485 --> 00:29:15,020
And so, the first thing,
564
00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:16,888
they want to get their kids
out of this school district.
565
00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:19,925
I founded an organization
called Parent Revolution.
566
00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:23,761
And we invented a new law
called the Parent Trigger Law,
567
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:27,365
the law says that if half the
parents at a failing school
568
00:29:27,366 --> 00:29:30,235
sign a petition, they
can bring in new staff,
569
00:29:30,236 --> 00:29:32,037
they can bring in
new leadership,
570
00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:34,672
they can convert their
school to a charter school.
571
00:29:34,673 --> 00:29:37,308
Or they can use the law
as leverage to bargain.
572
00:29:37,309 --> 00:29:40,879
But it wasn't until we
turned the petitions in
573
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,783
on December 7th that the
blowback really began.
574
00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:48,888
They mapped the
networks of the school
575
00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:52,657
and figured out the children of
576
00:29:52,658 --> 00:29:55,293
the parents who
signed the petition.
577
00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:58,029
And for the children of the
parents who signed the petition,
578
00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:01,100
and these are
elementary school kids.
579
00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:05,336
They wouldn't let the children,
when they were at school,
580
00:30:05,337 --> 00:30:07,772
they wouldn't let them
go to the bathroom.
581
00:30:07,773 --> 00:30:12,010
And they forced the children
to pee in their pants.
582
00:30:12,011 --> 00:30:16,314
And when they did, they were
sent to the nurse's office.
583
00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:18,316
And the nurse was in
charge of the recissions.
584
00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:20,685
And so the nurse
would call in the mom
585
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:22,820
to bring clean underwear in,
586
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:27,392
and as the mom was changing
their child's underwear,
587
00:30:27,393 --> 00:30:32,063
the nurse would ask her to
sign a recission petition.
588
00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:34,132
And I just wanna
make this statement.
589
00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:36,868
When Omar had the
city with a surplus.
590
00:30:36,869 --> 00:30:39,104
Had the murder rate
dropped from 100 a year
591
00:30:39,105 --> 00:30:41,072
down to 20 by bringing
in the sheriff
592
00:30:41,073 --> 00:30:44,409
and getting rid of the
corrupt Compton PD.
593
00:30:55,888 --> 00:30:57,956
And now we see
that the corruption
594
00:30:57,957 --> 00:30:59,790
that's passed from
the city government
595
00:30:59,791 --> 00:31:02,227
and the corruption that's
infected the schools is now
596
00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:06,664
passing its way down to the
Compton Police Department.
597
00:31:06,665 --> 00:31:09,567
But you have to ask
yourself this question.
598
00:31:09,568 --> 00:31:12,637
The entire Compton Police
Department was disbanded.
599
00:31:12,638 --> 00:31:15,907
What does it take to disband
an entire police department?
600
00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:18,509
In order to disband an
entire police department,
601
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,745
things have to be so
bad and so corrupt
602
00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:23,214
that there's no
other alternative.
603
00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:26,551
You know, such as maybe
bringing in a new police chief.
604
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:29,154
New police administration,
or something of that nature.
605
00:31:29,155 --> 00:31:31,356
They envied Compton streets
606
00:31:31,357 --> 00:31:32,723
when I was mayor.
607
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,293
I used to get on the
radio and laugh at 'em.
608
00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,328
'Cause they couldn't
figure out my formula.
609
00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:39,330
It has happened
on occasion where
610
00:31:39,331 --> 00:31:42,200
the entire municipality
has been dissolved.
611
00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,235
The bottom line is
things have to be
612
00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:46,337
pretty bad before that happens.
613
00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:48,739
I had personal
interaction with them
614
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:52,078
working the gang
detail from '84 to '90.
615
00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:56,647
We didn't share a lot
of information with them
616
00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:59,517
because of the, the city
government was known
617
00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:02,687
to be corrupt and the
police department had a
618
00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:06,291
stigma of not being
on the up and up.
619
00:32:06,292 --> 00:32:09,094
It was like shoveling
sand against the tide.
620
00:32:09,095 --> 00:32:10,561
You'd hear over and over again
621
00:32:10,562 --> 00:32:12,897
that the Compton cops were
on the payrolls of the gangs.
622
00:32:12,898 --> 00:32:15,566
Initially when
the word that cops
623
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:17,402
were working for
Suge was out was that
624
00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:19,370
basically they were
providing intelligence.
625
00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:21,506
But he, also when
cops, you know,
626
00:32:21,507 --> 00:32:23,074
when there'd be a clear street
627
00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,642
and there wouldn't
be any cops around.
628
00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:25,876
Now one of the things that the
629
00:32:25,877 --> 00:32:27,778
former mayor of Compton,
Omar Bradley told us
630
00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:29,680
was that there actually
wasn't a difference
631
00:32:29,681 --> 00:32:31,949
between Death Row Records
and the city of Compton.
632
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,918
They've always
been the same entity.
633
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,420
That's what you don't get.
634
00:32:35,421 --> 00:32:39,390
The city attorney's nephew,
or cousin, is Snoop Dogg.
635
00:32:39,391 --> 00:32:42,260
The city manager's
son is A and R.
636
00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:44,062
The head of homicide's son
637
00:32:44,063 --> 00:32:46,397
is vice-president,
head of security.
638
00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:50,235
The other chief of police that
I bring in to replace Hourie,
639
00:32:50,236 --> 00:32:52,637
his daughter got a million
dollar contract with them.
640
00:32:52,638 --> 00:32:55,640
They reached out to the
Los Angeles County Sheriffs
641
00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:57,208
to see if the sheriffs would be
642
00:32:57,209 --> 00:33:00,578
interested in policing Compton.
643
00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:03,614
In police work,
in law enforcement,
644
00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:07,518
there is so much
duplication of services.
645
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,387
You know, they overlap.
646
00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:13,024
And a lot of times,
eliminating a police department
647
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,293
really doesn't harm the public,
648
00:33:15,294 --> 00:33:18,229
because another department can
come in and take care of it.
649
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:21,066
The way this actually
worked was the FBI
650
00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:25,002
walked into Omar
Bradley's office one day
651
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,373
because a Long Beach police
officer had been shot
652
00:33:28,374 --> 00:33:31,676
with a gun that had
flowed through the Compton
653
00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:34,846
police evidence
locker, and so the FBI
654
00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:40,351
wanted to know if Omar
Bradley was in on it.
655
00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:41,886
And Omar Bradley said,
656
00:33:41,887 --> 00:33:44,222
I don't know what
you're talking about.
657
00:33:44,223 --> 00:33:46,657
And that led to an investigation
658
00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:50,128
into the Compton corruption
that was happening.
659
00:33:50,129 --> 00:33:52,029
When they start
this investigation,
660
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,332
they come in and they find the
661
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:57,302
evidence locker is just a mess.
662
00:33:57,303 --> 00:34:02,140
The inventory hasn't been done
in years and years and years.
663
00:34:02,141 --> 00:34:05,244
And Chief Hourie
Taylor is suspended.
664
00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:08,779
A group of those cops, sort
of an elite group of those
665
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:11,949
cops were doing, were
actually like a criminal gang.
666
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:13,518
And we're not talking about just
667
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:14,952
casual trips down to the locker,
668
00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:19,657
we're talking about 172
unaccounted for visits.
669
00:34:19,658 --> 00:34:21,659
And they ask Hourie
Taylor if they can start
670
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,928
looking into the lockers,
and Hourie Taylor
671
00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:26,597
is pacing back and forth, oh,
I don't think I have a key,
672
00:34:26,598 --> 00:34:28,499
and I don't think
the key's around.
673
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,636
And he seems like he's
nervous, and he's upset.
674
00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:34,839
And so the investigator
pulls out bolt cutters
675
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,676
and just cuts off the lock
to Hourie Taylor's locker.
676
00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:42,180
And inside they find
two kilos of cocaine
677
00:34:42,181 --> 00:34:45,450
in the police chief's
personal locker.
678
00:34:45,451 --> 00:34:47,452
And Hourie Taylor,
all of a sudden,
679
00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,220
decides he doesn't
wanna be there,
680
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:52,223
and he leaves the
police station.
681
00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:54,459
And Hourie Taylor
gestures to his attorney
682
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:57,362
as he's running out the back
stairs to follow him up there,
683
00:34:57,363 --> 00:34:59,997
and that's the last they
see of Hourie Taylor.
684
00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:03,534
Cases were being
rejected by the D.A.'s office.
685
00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:07,905
And the Compton police were
actually keeping the evidence.
686
00:35:07,906 --> 00:35:09,940
And a lot of that
evidence wasn't
687
00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:12,042
being kept in the evidence
locker, and then when they
688
00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:14,979
actually go to look for
the evidence, it's missing.
689
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,649
Compton was a very corrupt city,
690
00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:22,120
and the police were
trafficking narcotics.
691
00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:27,526
Using the evidence locker
as their warehouse.
692
00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:30,495
So then that's how they pay him.
693
00:35:30,496 --> 00:35:31,996
But you gotta understand.
694
00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:34,999
We give you the dope, you
give us a business deal.
695
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,402
So our money looks good because
696
00:35:37,403 --> 00:35:40,571
our money's coming off
this business deal.
697
00:35:40,572 --> 00:35:43,308
But where's that
money coming from?
698
00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:48,313
Coming from the dope coming
out the evidence locker.
699
00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:50,982
And the guns, 2300 guns missing.
700
00:35:52,918 --> 00:35:54,486
140 gallons of PCP.
701
00:36:01,059 --> 00:36:03,328
I mean, money laundering
is if you take drug money
702
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:05,896
and you go buy a car, and you
just laundered that money.
703
00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:09,367
If you go buy clothes, you
just laundered that money.
704
00:36:09,368 --> 00:36:10,835
That's a small scale.
705
00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:13,571
They started calling
people in one at a time.
706
00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:17,475
Nobody was taking the rap
for what was happening
707
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:20,378
and all the corruption, and
they were blaming other people.
708
00:36:20,379 --> 00:36:23,348
There was an awful lot
of finger pointing.
709
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:26,884
They were also trafficking
in stolen guns.
710
00:36:26,885 --> 00:36:30,120
And a lot of those guns were
going into the evidence locker,
711
00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:34,293
and then finding their way
over to a gun shop in Compton.
712
00:36:36,328 --> 00:36:38,796
City clerk, he owns,
part owner of the gun shop.
713
00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:41,132
ATF, FBI, Homeland Security.
714
00:36:42,268 --> 00:36:43,801
And Baca.
Baca, oh.
715
00:36:43,802 --> 00:36:47,004
About 400 people went in there
to get all them guns out.
716
00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:48,906
They had to bring up a big rig
717
00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:50,608
to get all the
shit they had out.
718
00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:53,511
There's no coincidence
that the Compton
719
00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:55,913
police corruption
report happened
720
00:36:55,914 --> 00:36:59,850
at the exact same time that
we had the Rampart scandal.
721
00:36:59,851 --> 00:37:02,186
And so you have this
pattern that includes
722
00:37:02,187 --> 00:37:05,423
actually, the DA's office
in the missing cocaine,
723
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:07,792
but nothing ever happens.
724
00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:10,928
And you have an Assistant
District Attorney
725
00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:14,165
who refuses to
prosecute Hourie Taylor.
726
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:17,602
But then turns
around and is the one
727
00:37:17,603 --> 00:37:20,371
that was pursuing Omar Bradley
728
00:37:20,372 --> 00:37:24,141
the entire time Omar Bradley
had his corruption trial,
729
00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:26,143
which was eventually overturned.
730
00:37:26,144 --> 00:37:28,078
But even after it
was overturned,
731
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:32,483
the Assistant District Attorney
kept pursuing Omar Bradley.
732
00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:34,952
Within three years
after Omar Bradley
733
00:37:34,953 --> 00:37:38,088
is defeated as Mayor and
Eric Perrodin takes over,
734
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:40,691
fellow prosecutor Terry Bork
735
00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:43,961
presses charges against
Omar Bradley for corruption
736
00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:46,196
as it applies to
credit card charges.
737
00:37:46,197 --> 00:37:48,533
Yet when those same credit
card charges that are made
738
00:37:48,534 --> 00:37:51,502
by Eric Perrodin are
presented to Terry Bork,
739
00:37:51,503 --> 00:37:53,170
with the question
as to whether or not
740
00:37:53,171 --> 00:37:56,441
that's actually corruption,
Terry Bork says that even if
741
00:37:56,442 --> 00:37:59,477
he found that those credit
card charges were corruption,
742
00:37:59,478 --> 00:38:03,314
he would not prosecute
Eric Perrodin.
743
00:38:03,315 --> 00:38:07,352
Reggie Wright Sr. Is
in charge of narcotics
744
00:38:07,353 --> 00:38:10,821
at the Compton
Police Department.
745
00:38:10,822 --> 00:38:12,990
And so they bring him
in for questioning.
746
00:38:12,991 --> 00:38:17,162
And Reggie Wright Sr. Immediately
starts talking about how,
747
00:38:18,397 --> 00:38:21,031
even though he's the
man that's in charge,
748
00:38:21,032 --> 00:38:24,001
and the responsibility
really stops with him,
749
00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:27,705
that he doesn't ever
make any decisions,
750
00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:29,940
and so they really
shouldn't be looking at him,
751
00:38:29,941 --> 00:38:32,242
they should be looking
at the guy under him,
752
00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:33,878
and the guy over him.
753
00:38:33,879 --> 00:38:37,715
Everybody is pointing to
other people to blame for
754
00:38:37,716 --> 00:38:41,919
the malfeasance that was
going on in the department.
755
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,121
Now it looks like the time
in the Compton police report
756
00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:46,223
that Reggie Wright Sr.
Was actually in charge
757
00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:49,694
of both the narcotics and the
gang units, was about a year.
758
00:38:49,695 --> 00:38:52,930
But prior to that he had
been in charge of the gangs.
759
00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:55,265
And who deals the drugs?
760
00:38:55,266 --> 00:38:56,101
The gangs.
761
00:38:57,569 --> 00:39:01,305
The Compton Police Corrution
Report is a 95 page document.
762
00:39:01,306 --> 00:39:04,108
So when it was decided that
they were going to shut down
763
00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:07,277
the Compton Police Department,
a lawsuit was filed.
764
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:09,179
One of the things that
struck us immediately
765
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:10,881
was that there was
a handful of people
766
00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:12,349
in the Compton Police Department
767
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,351
that were just
not satisfied with
768
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:17,087
the Compton Police
Department being closed.
769
00:39:17,088 --> 00:39:18,989
It was heard before a judge.
770
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,758
They tried to do
everything they could
771
00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:23,093
to block this from
being shut down.
772
00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:27,932
And the judge heard the case,
they had their day in court.
773
00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,901
And the judge allowed them to
774
00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:33,638
shut down the Compton
Police Department.
775
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,073
Even though Omar Bradley
had been successful in
776
00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:38,409
shutting down the corrupt
Compton Police Department,
777
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,310
what do you think was
the first priority
778
00:39:40,311 --> 00:39:42,847
on Eric Perrodin's agenda?
779
00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:45,016
Restarting the Compton PD.
780
00:39:48,987 --> 00:39:52,857
The whole notion of, I
am my brother's keeper.
781
00:39:52,858 --> 00:39:54,625
Doesn't exist over here.
782
00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:56,761
This is dog eat dog.
783
00:39:56,762 --> 00:39:58,663
So what you had here
is a real dilemma for the
784
00:39:58,664 --> 00:40:01,331
Compton Police Department, because
it's sort of like a vise.
785
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:04,569
On the one hand you have
the Operation Big Spender,
786
00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:06,203
and the sheriffs,
and everybody that's
787
00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:08,372
surrounding the city of
Compton being investigated
788
00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:11,008
for corruption as it
relates to the drug trade.
789
00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:12,710
And on the other
side of it you have
790
00:40:12,711 --> 00:40:15,212
the Justice Department and
the Drug Enforcement Agency
791
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:16,881
coming down on
Death Row Records,
792
00:40:16,882 --> 00:40:19,183
and looking at Death Row
Records for money laundering,
793
00:40:19,184 --> 00:40:21,318
as it relates to drug sales.
794
00:40:21,319 --> 00:40:22,853
So where is in the middle?
795
00:40:22,854 --> 00:40:24,489
The Compton Police Department.
796
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:28,158
I was approached by
the F.B.I. and A.T.F.
797
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,662
about a year and 1/2,
about a year afterwards,
798
00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:35,332
while I was working
with Death Row Records
799
00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:40,304
in regards to racketeering
within Death Row Records,
800
00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:42,473
and also the, at that time,
801
00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:44,909
the mayor of Compton,
Omar Bradley.
802
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:47,044
Of some other things that
occur within the city.
803
00:40:47,045 --> 00:40:48,378
I didn't know that the F.B.I
804
00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:51,216
at that time was
following Reggie,
805
00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:55,486
Suge, the homeboys.
806
00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,556
And that's how things
started out with the F.B.I.
807
00:40:58,557 --> 00:41:01,659
He really was
not that street person.
808
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:04,061
He didn't understand
the streets value.
809
00:41:04,062 --> 00:41:05,896
At 24, Tupac Shakur was a
810
00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:08,232
platinum-selling
artist, the movie star,
811
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:10,835
and an inmate at the Dannemora
jail in upstate New York.
812
00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:13,437
By the time that Tupac
Shakur had gone to prison,
813
00:41:13,438 --> 00:41:16,306
he had already shot two
cops in the city of Atlanta.
814
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:18,142
The charges were
dropped against him,
815
00:41:18,143 --> 00:41:20,144
but he still shot cops.
816
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:22,346
So he was no favorite
with law enforcement.
817
00:41:22,347 --> 00:41:24,615
That's just plain
out, period, don't come to jail.
818
00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:27,051
I'm telling you straight
up, this ain't the spot.
819
00:41:27,052 --> 00:41:30,020
It's dirty, it's filthy,
it's like you an animal.
820
00:41:30,021 --> 00:41:30,989
And this is not the spot.
821
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:32,523
No man don't wanna be here.
822
00:41:32,524 --> 00:41:33,891
No man or woman
wants to be here.
823
00:41:33,892 --> 00:41:36,360
Pac is now in Dannemora.
824
00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:38,428
Everybody is visiting
back and forth.
825
00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:42,299
Before the records, after
the records, Dannemora.
826
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,836
After Dannemora, I visited
him, I took a trip.
827
00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:47,471
I just one day I was like,
828
00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:49,339
I gotta go to New
York and see Pac.
829
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,643
And I think also that
Tupac got it in his mind
830
00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:55,880
that he needed someone
to protect him.
831
00:41:55,881 --> 00:41:56,715
Now.
832
00:41:57,849 --> 00:42:00,117
That again isn't true.
833
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,385
That he needed someone
to protect him,
834
00:42:01,386 --> 00:42:03,353
because Watani had
a group of people,
835
00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:04,454
had always put a group of people
836
00:42:04,455 --> 00:42:06,557
around him to look out for him.
837
00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:08,225
The reason things
happened to Tupac
838
00:42:08,226 --> 00:42:10,828
is Tupac would step
outside of that group.
839
00:42:10,829 --> 00:42:12,429
If you, if people
put a group of people
840
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,064
around you to look out for you,
841
00:42:14,065 --> 00:42:15,399
you need to stay
inside that group.
842
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,367
You don't need to
step out and create
843
00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:20,571
new alliances with people
that you don't know.
844
00:42:20,572 --> 00:42:24,374
I got a phone call that Death
Row had went to visit Tupac,
845
00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:27,311
and that, I think he's
signing with Suge.
846
00:42:27,312 --> 00:42:29,980
The whole, kinda,
Death Row thing.
847
00:42:29,981 --> 00:42:33,417
It's, Tupac wanted
to go to Death Row.
848
00:42:33,418 --> 00:42:34,753
What he told me.
849
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:38,188
Face to face, as close
as we are sitting.
850
00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:39,624
Was I want to go to
Death Row because
851
00:42:39,625 --> 00:42:41,926
I want to record
with Dre and Snoop.
852
00:42:41,927 --> 00:42:44,461
He said to me, you
can make a phone call,
853
00:42:44,462 --> 00:42:46,797
or I'll have someone
make a phone call.
854
00:42:46,798 --> 00:42:48,599
And I think Watani
and I were both
855
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,235
down at Dannemora talking
to him at the time,
856
00:42:51,236 --> 00:42:52,569
and told him you
don't need to do that.
857
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,739
There's no reason to do that.
858
00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:56,974
You're number one on the charts.
859
00:42:56,975 --> 00:43:01,411
Your record's outselling
anybody at this particular time.
860
00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:03,681
All Death Row is is Interscope.
861
00:43:03,682 --> 00:43:05,215
You don't need to
go to Death Row.
862
00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:06,784
Clockwork, 24/7.
863
00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:08,653
Because I knew he
was gonna end it.
864
00:43:08,654 --> 00:43:09,820
This was just a means.
865
00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:11,756
He had to get out of jail.
866
00:43:11,757 --> 00:43:13,758
And he wanted his
mom to have a house.
867
00:43:13,759 --> 00:43:15,425
And he would do
those three albums,
868
00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:17,394
and after those three
albums were done
869
00:43:17,395 --> 00:43:19,396
the house is paid for,
what is he gonna do?
870
00:43:19,397 --> 00:43:21,065
'Cause he had other ambitions.
871
00:43:21,066 --> 00:43:23,167
At the time, Suge
wasn't letting anyone
872
00:43:23,168 --> 00:43:27,404
work with Dre or Snoop unless
they were part of Death Row.
873
00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:32,076
In those months, in those
last nine months of his life,
874
00:43:32,077 --> 00:43:35,279
he had a kind of desperation
that I talked about earlier.
875
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,915
The only thing that mattered
was to make a difference.
876
00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:39,750
Thug life is
like the 12th grade.
877
00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:41,719
Some people graduate
from high school,
878
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,420
and don't seek to
do anything else.
879
00:43:43,421 --> 00:43:46,724
His lifestyle on
video and on tape
880
00:43:46,725 --> 00:43:49,426
and even on song
looked like a party.
881
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:52,562
It wasn't a party, it
wasn't a gangster party.
882
00:43:52,563 --> 00:43:54,932
It wasn't a party at all.
883
00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,534
You have to remember,
Tupac was out on bail.
884
00:43:57,535 --> 00:43:58,836
And the reason
that he was rushing
885
00:43:58,837 --> 00:44:00,905
to get as many songs
done as he could
886
00:44:00,906 --> 00:44:02,707
was because he wasn't
sure that that bail
887
00:44:02,708 --> 00:44:04,574
wouldn't be revoked
at some point,
888
00:44:04,575 --> 00:44:07,077
and that he may actually
go back to prison.
889
00:44:07,078 --> 00:44:09,080
He was not a gangster.
890
00:44:10,181 --> 00:44:12,249
Not one day in his life.
891
00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:16,486
Not even the day in
the MGM when he stomped
892
00:44:16,487 --> 00:44:20,090
whoever the hell that
was on the floor.
893
00:44:39,110 --> 00:44:40,544
I was in the limo.
894
00:44:40,545 --> 00:44:43,914
Me and Tupac, Outlaw Immortalz,
we were driving around
895
00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:47,919
in Harlem, and the radio
came on with Snoop Dogg
896
00:44:49,087 --> 00:44:52,689
saying that he had no
beef with New York.
897
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,926
Which sent Pac into a rage.
898
00:44:55,827 --> 00:44:57,228
And at that time.
899
00:44:58,629 --> 00:45:02,300
The artists, the height of that
whole forefront, was Snoop.
900
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:07,037
How the fuck did that feel?
901
00:45:07,038 --> 00:45:09,039
'Cause I am the LBC.
902
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,108
I'm the king of
Long Beach, nigga.
903
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:13,978
I made it fashionable for
niggas that bang the dub.
904
00:45:13,979 --> 00:45:16,180
I made it universal,
motherfucker.
905
00:45:16,181 --> 00:45:18,783
I'm the nigga that took the
set around the whole globe.
906
00:45:18,784 --> 00:45:20,951
23 year old Calvin Broadus,
907
00:45:20,952 --> 00:45:23,020
AKA Snoop Doggy Dogg,
the man who made
908
00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:26,190
gangsta rap mainstream,
stands accused of murder.
909
00:45:26,191 --> 00:45:28,692
Los Angeles police
announce that 21 year old
910
00:45:28,693 --> 00:45:32,329
Calvin Broadus, better known
as rap star Snoop Doggy Dogg,
911
00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:34,464
had turned himself in
to police on Friday,
912
00:45:34,465 --> 00:45:35,665
along with two other
young black men,
913
00:45:35,666 --> 00:45:37,067
all accompanied by an attorney
914
00:45:37,068 --> 00:45:39,336
in connection with the
murder on August 25
915
00:45:39,337 --> 00:45:41,238
of a man named
Phillip Woldermariam,
916
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,373
in what police believe was
a gang-related shooting.
917
00:45:43,374 --> 00:45:45,275
We the jury in the
above entitled action
918
00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:47,577
find the defendant,
Calvin Broadus, not guilty
919
00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:49,947
of the crime of murder
in the first degree.
920
00:45:49,948 --> 00:45:51,816
Only if David Kenner just
would have had love for me
921
00:45:51,817 --> 00:45:53,283
on that level, and
just did it for me,
922
00:45:53,284 --> 00:45:55,820
just, not for the paper,
just doing it for the love,
923
00:45:55,821 --> 00:45:58,122
'cause I know that's
how he is about me.
924
00:45:58,123 --> 00:45:59,689
He's not concerned
with the money issue,
925
00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:01,291
you know what I'm
saying, and I knew that
926
00:46:01,292 --> 00:46:02,927
when he did his
closing argument.
927
00:46:02,928 --> 00:46:04,394
You know, we beat a
murder trial for him,
928
00:46:04,395 --> 00:46:06,263
but then he's on probation.
929
00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:09,299
Then he got caught with
two ounces of marijuana.
930
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:10,801
Then he got caught with guns.
931
00:46:10,802 --> 00:46:13,003
And each time it's nothing,
they're not gonna violate him.
932
00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:15,072
Because for the street guys,
933
00:46:15,073 --> 00:46:16,573
street guys know what
I'm talking about.
934
00:46:16,574 --> 00:46:18,108
There's no puzzle.
935
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:20,110
I mean, if you get a guy that
constantly getting in trouble
936
00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:21,545
and never gonna go to prison,
937
00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,714
that's because he's an
informant, he's a rat, a snitch.
938
00:46:24,715 --> 00:46:26,951
You know, it was
Suge, and his guys,
939
00:46:26,952 --> 00:46:30,320
and Tupac, and myself,
and there was Snoop Dogg,
940
00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:32,189
and Dre, and Tha Dogg Pound.
941
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,024
That's how it was on
the personal side.
942
00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:35,225
Well.
943
00:46:35,226 --> 00:46:36,861
You know, that was Pac, man.
944
00:46:36,862 --> 00:46:37,962
You cross him.
945
00:46:37,963 --> 00:46:39,396
There's no gray area.
946
00:46:39,397 --> 00:46:41,365
There's black and white.
947
00:46:41,366 --> 00:46:45,735
You cross him, you do something,
you screw up, you're out.
948
00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:48,372
Now since he's not
around, everybody claims
949
00:46:48,373 --> 00:46:50,140
that they was great friends.
950
00:46:50,141 --> 00:46:52,342
Everybody do a show.
951
00:46:52,343 --> 00:46:54,078
Some artists knew him,
952
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,014
but like, Pac and Snoop,
they hated each other.
953
00:46:57,015 --> 00:46:59,749
And you could tell that
by the simple fact that
954
00:46:59,750 --> 00:47:04,054
when Snoop did Doggfather,
Pac was not on not one song.
955
00:47:04,055 --> 00:47:06,057
And Pac didn't like Dre.
956
00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:09,293
That would change
the Death Row camp,
957
00:47:09,294 --> 00:47:11,761
because of the
jealousy of Tupac.
958
00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:14,231
Because Tupac was
all of a sudden now,
959
00:47:14,232 --> 00:47:16,000
he's this major star, and
he getting all the light,
960
00:47:16,001 --> 00:47:17,301
he getting all the attention.
961
00:47:17,302 --> 00:47:20,504
I didn't feel nothing
for nobody at first.
962
00:47:20,505 --> 00:47:21,738
I mean, especially Snoop.
963
00:47:21,739 --> 00:47:24,308
Snoop, Snoop and Pac
came up together.
964
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:26,010
You know, like Thug
Life and Dogg Pound,
965
00:47:26,011 --> 00:47:27,211
we like came up together.
966
00:47:27,212 --> 00:47:29,079
And you know, Thug Life,
Murder Was the Case,
967
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,048
and I Get Around
was the same time,
968
00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:32,883
we'd see each other, traveling,
yeah, you know what I mean,
969
00:47:32,884 --> 00:47:34,485
and keep it moving.
970
00:47:36,387 --> 00:47:39,824
That might have changed
over time because
971
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,629
that group of people hadn't
been around Pac like we had.
972
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:48,632
So they didn't know
how, how Pac is
973
00:47:48,633 --> 00:47:52,069
as a celebrity, as a star,
to actually deal with him
974
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:56,006
requires more attention,
more time, 'cause he's Pac.
975
00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:57,908
And here's the irony.
976
00:47:57,909 --> 00:47:59,743
Tupac left to go to
Death Row Records,
977
00:47:59,744 --> 00:48:02,446
because he wanted to record
with Snoop and with Dre.
978
00:48:02,447 --> 00:48:04,848
But when he got there,
by the time he was done,
979
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:06,383
he didn't like either of them.
980
00:48:06,384 --> 00:48:08,185
Tupac looked at me, and said,
981
00:48:08,186 --> 00:48:10,187
man, is that how my
shit gonna sound?
982
00:48:10,188 --> 00:48:11,989
And I'm like, naw, man.
983
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:15,325
But he's ready to kick
a hole in the wall.
984
00:48:15,326 --> 00:48:17,561
Told the guy no man,
they kicked us out
985
00:48:17,562 --> 00:48:20,730
of Can-Am six
o'clock this morning,
986
00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:22,799
this is the best that Kevin
Lewis could do for us.
987
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,502
And he picks up the phone,
he calls the office.
988
00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:29,639
He says Snoop was corny,
take all day doing one song.
989
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,743
He says, I'm paying Nate
Dogg's child support.
990
00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:35,112
Rage.
991
00:48:35,113 --> 00:48:37,814
Y'all kicked my
engineers out the studio,
992
00:48:37,815 --> 00:48:40,650
so that that Rage
could continue working
993
00:48:40,651 --> 00:48:43,787
on a record that she's been
working on for two years.
994
00:48:43,788 --> 00:48:45,889
That's pretty fucked up.
995
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:47,791
I am paying for this.
996
00:48:47,792 --> 00:48:50,327
Why aren't you guys kicking
them out the studio,
997
00:48:50,328 --> 00:48:53,863
when my record is the number
one record on Billboard?
998
00:48:53,864 --> 00:48:56,366
Stuff like that,
you know I'm saying?
999
00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:59,403
So, you know, that
to me, you know,
1000
00:48:59,404 --> 00:49:01,338
was childish on their part,
1001
00:49:01,339 --> 00:49:04,174
but they can never fill
the shoes that Pac filled
1002
00:49:04,175 --> 00:49:05,675
if I walk in the
door, like he would.
1003
00:49:05,676 --> 00:49:08,878
But in the city of New
York on September 4th of 1996
1004
00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:11,181
there was a big problem,
and that had to do
1005
00:49:11,182 --> 00:49:13,550
with a radio interview
that Snoop Dogg did.
1006
00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:15,052
Because she asked me on the air,
1007
00:49:15,053 --> 00:49:18,455
how do you feel about
Puffy and Biggie?
1008
00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:20,224
And I said what I felt.
1009
00:49:20,225 --> 00:49:22,126
They're my homeboys, I love 'em.
1010
00:49:22,127 --> 00:49:24,328
Pac of course
had big beef with New York.
1011
00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:26,730
Pac had a beef with
New York because he got
1012
00:49:26,731 --> 00:49:30,667
attacked in 1994 and
there was a shot fired,
1013
00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:33,037
and unfortunately it
was self-inflicted.
1014
00:49:33,038 --> 00:49:35,039
Snoop was basically saying, hey.
1015
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,673
I don't have beef with them.
1016
00:49:36,674 --> 00:49:38,243
That set Tupac off.
1017
00:49:39,377 --> 00:49:41,411
And we immediately
spun the limo around,
1018
00:49:41,412 --> 00:49:44,714
and we went back to the
hotel to confront Snoop.
1019
00:49:44,715 --> 00:49:46,650
We couldn't find him.
1020
00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:50,254
But we found Mr.
Knight, and that's who
1021
00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:52,756
Tupac confronted about
what was going on
1022
00:49:52,757 --> 00:49:54,224
on the radio while
we were in New York.
1023
00:49:54,225 --> 00:49:58,395
I think Mr. Knight had me
stay for the safety of Tupac.
1024
00:49:58,396 --> 00:50:01,031
Because I think Mr. Knight,
with me not being there,
1025
00:50:01,032 --> 00:50:02,432
he would have put
his hands on him.
1026
00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:03,933
He was that upset.
1027
00:50:03,934 --> 00:50:08,238
And Pac's words were, I'm
gonna cut out Makavelli,
1028
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,408
and when I cut out Makavelli,
I'm the hell up out of here.
1029
00:50:11,409 --> 00:50:13,677
You got your money, I
don't want nothing else
1030
00:50:13,678 --> 00:50:15,445
to do with Death Row, I'm out.
1031
00:50:15,446 --> 00:50:18,582
And after the major fallout
between Suge and Tupac,
1032
00:50:18,583 --> 00:50:21,085
suddenly Snoop walks
back to the hotel.
1033
00:50:21,086 --> 00:50:22,286
When I got back to the hotel,
1034
00:50:22,287 --> 00:50:24,888
it was a whole 'nother
atmosphere, like.
1035
00:50:24,889 --> 00:50:26,723
Perpetuating this,
so it could be drama.
1036
00:50:26,724 --> 00:50:29,759
Which, I still love MTV,
but when it all go down,
1037
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,695
don't look at me and
Biggie and be like,
1038
00:50:31,696 --> 00:50:33,963
why is there a big beef,
East Coast/West Coast war.
1039
00:50:33,964 --> 00:50:38,468
So when we got on the plane
to go back to LA the next day,
1040
00:50:38,469 --> 00:50:40,870
Suge didn't let none of
my security ride with me.
1041
00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:45,042
I had to ride on the plane
with him, his homies, and Pac.
1042
00:50:46,211 --> 00:50:47,877
And it was the
most uncomfortable
1043
00:50:47,878 --> 00:50:49,246
ride I ever had in my life.
1044
00:50:49,247 --> 00:50:51,982
Back, put the
blanket on my head.
1045
00:50:53,184 --> 00:50:55,585
Knife in my hand,
fork in my hand.
1046
00:50:55,586 --> 00:50:57,621
And just sleep the
rest of the ride.
1047
00:50:57,622 --> 00:50:58,788
'Cause I feel like they fittin'
1048
00:50:58,789 --> 00:51:00,457
to try to do something to me.
1049
00:51:00,458 --> 00:51:02,926
So I walked down the
steps, we meet right here.
1050
00:51:02,927 --> 00:51:04,594
I'm like cuz, you
going to Vegas?
1051
00:51:04,595 --> 00:51:08,031
Why was somebody that
wasn't going to Vegas anyway
1052
00:51:08,032 --> 00:51:11,101
asking Tupac, are
you going to Vegas?
1053
00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:12,837
He do me like this.
1054
00:51:14,939 --> 00:51:16,506
Went his way and he went my way.
1055
00:51:16,507 --> 00:51:17,841
Apparently the Long Beach Crips
1056
00:51:17,842 --> 00:51:20,244
had put out a DVD with
a bunch of diss songs
1057
00:51:20,245 --> 00:51:22,146
and some music
videos that dissed
1058
00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:24,648
the Death Row organization
and dissed Suge Knight.
1059
00:51:24,649 --> 00:51:28,652
The DVD was all about
killing Death Row people.
1060
00:51:28,653 --> 00:51:30,086
You feel me?
1061
00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:34,491
Now, the DVD was predominantly
Long Beach people in it.
1062
00:51:34,492 --> 00:51:36,693
You feel me, I'm
from Long Beach.
1063
00:51:36,694 --> 00:51:39,062
My whole time that I was
on Death Row I lived it,
1064
00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:40,330
right here in Long Beach.
1065
00:51:40,331 --> 00:51:43,533
You always saw Pac and
Suge hanging together.
1066
00:51:43,534 --> 00:51:46,503
You always saw these
niggas everywhere together.
1067
00:51:46,504 --> 00:51:48,938
They was like big brother,
little brother and shit,
1068
00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:51,208
and the thing is,
that relationship
1069
00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:53,710
was dangerous for
the powers that be.
1070
00:51:53,711 --> 00:51:54,978
'Cause I remember that.
1071
00:51:54,979 --> 00:51:56,246
Not the West
Coast that got backlash
1072
00:51:56,247 --> 00:51:59,549
from Suge Knight,
Tupac and Death Row.
1073
00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:02,986
And them was our last days hanging
out before he got killed.
1074
00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:05,522
So we ended on a
kind of foul note.
1075
00:52:05,523 --> 00:52:07,056
The tension between
Death Row Records
1076
00:52:07,057 --> 00:52:09,326
and the Long Beach
Crips and the Snoop Dogg
1077
00:52:09,327 --> 00:52:11,495
Dogg Pound camps was palpable.
1078
00:52:11,496 --> 00:52:14,063
To the point where Snoop
Dogg went to the point
1079
00:52:14,064 --> 00:52:16,566
of making an entire music video
1080
00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:19,436
that showed total
disrespect for Suge Knight.
1081
00:52:19,437 --> 00:52:21,438
Bully got checked, you
know what I'm saying.
1082
00:52:21,439 --> 00:52:23,640
You know how when you in
school and you got a bully.
1083
00:52:23,641 --> 00:52:25,108
And he's scaring everybody,
1084
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:27,110
and everybody going
the other way.
1085
00:52:27,111 --> 00:52:28,912
Scared, putting
their lunch money up,
1086
00:52:28,913 --> 00:52:30,414
hiding their gold chains.
1087
00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:33,283
Well this day at school
the bully got checked.
1088
00:52:33,284 --> 00:52:36,486
He had to put his gold chain
in, he tried to light a cigar.
1089
00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:37,954
You know, but the
media didn't want to
1090
00:52:37,955 --> 00:52:40,056
bring it off like that, 'cause
they was scared that Suge
1091
00:52:40,057 --> 00:52:42,526
was gonna do something to
'em for telling the truth.
1092
00:52:42,527 --> 00:52:44,127
Shit, go ahead, why?
1093
00:52:44,128 --> 00:52:46,396
Were you in Vegas?
1094
00:52:46,397 --> 00:52:47,864
No, we heard about it.
1095
00:52:47,865 --> 00:52:49,999
'Cause they was trying
to get us to go to Vegas.
1096
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,669
And we was like, Dogg
Pound, we was really on
1097
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:55,272
our fuck Death Row shit, really,
you know what I'm saying,
1098
00:52:55,273 --> 00:52:56,573
we was already feeling.
At, by that time.
1099
00:52:56,574 --> 00:52:58,875
We was already
saying fuck Death Row.
1100
00:52:58,876 --> 00:53:00,143
You know what I'm saying?
Okay.
1101
00:53:00,144 --> 00:53:01,878
'Cause we know everybody.
1102
00:53:01,879 --> 00:53:03,780
And now we have opportunity.
1103
00:53:03,781 --> 00:53:06,716
The people that need to be in
Las Vegas are in Las Vegas,
1104
00:53:06,717 --> 00:53:08,017
and the people
who don't wanna be
1105
00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:11,488
seen in Las Vegas
have cleared out.
1106
00:53:11,489 --> 00:53:13,623
'Cause I am the LBC.
1107
00:53:13,624 --> 00:53:15,992
I'm the king of
Long Beach, nigga.
1108
00:53:15,993 --> 00:53:18,728
I made it fashionable for
niggas to bang the dub.
1109
00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:20,797
I made it universal,
motherfucker.
1110
00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:23,700
I'm the nigga that took the
set around the whole globe.
1111
00:53:23,701 --> 00:53:25,035
Yeah, that's me.
1112
00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:31,207
Tupac hated
people, and we was supposed to
1113
00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:32,809
hate people because
Tupac hated 'em.
1114
00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:34,411
In most law enforcement
investigations,
1115
00:53:34,412 --> 00:53:36,913
you find that the first suspects
1116
00:53:36,914 --> 00:53:39,516
that are looked at
are generally wives,
1117
00:53:39,517 --> 00:53:42,286
girlfriends, significant others.
1118
00:53:42,287 --> 00:53:45,188
People that would normally
have a natural relationship,
1119
00:53:45,189 --> 00:53:46,623
and you'd actually
try to figure out
1120
00:53:46,624 --> 00:53:49,826
if they were the
most logical suspect,
1121
00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:51,828
and in this case it
doesn't seem to happen,
1122
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:53,897
yet you're looking at,
she had plenty of motive.
1123
00:53:53,898 --> 00:53:56,099
She was managing
Snoop in the very beginning,
1124
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,034
but Snoop wasn't
happy with that.
1125
00:53:58,035 --> 00:54:01,971
Knightlife Management,
which Sharitha Knight owned,
1126
00:54:01,972 --> 00:54:04,073
which was Suge Knight's wife.
1127
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,543
By Suge owning
Death Row Records,
1128
00:54:06,544 --> 00:54:08,011
it would be a
conflict of interest
1129
00:54:08,012 --> 00:54:10,347
of him managing his artists too.
1130
00:54:10,348 --> 00:54:13,850
So he had that in
his wife's name.
1131
00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:16,886
And not only did she manage
every artist that was
1132
00:54:16,887 --> 00:54:20,990
on Death Row, she also managed
Caution, she managed us.
1133
00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:23,059
I think that he gave her the
1134
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:26,996
Knightlife entertainment to
give her some experience,
1135
00:54:26,997 --> 00:54:29,466
get her experienced,
'cause she was young.
1136
00:54:29,467 --> 00:54:30,767
Anything goes down with Suge,
1137
00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:32,268
you know who's gonna
run this company?
1138
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:33,503
Reggie.
1139
00:54:33,504 --> 00:54:34,704
Nope, wrong.
1140
00:54:34,705 --> 00:54:36,540
That's pressure
Reggie can't handle.
1141
00:54:36,541 --> 00:54:38,575
Let me tell you, something
goes wrong with Suge,
1142
00:54:38,576 --> 00:54:40,410
who's gonna run the company?
1143
00:54:40,411 --> 00:54:43,079
Common sense, Mike, Sharitha.
Sharitha.
1144
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,948
Sharitha is on the thing.
1145
00:54:44,949 --> 00:54:46,783
Sharitha's on the paper.
1146
00:54:46,784 --> 00:54:49,453
Reggie would carry
most of the burden.
1147
00:54:49,454 --> 00:54:52,155
They're tighter than you think.
1148
00:54:52,156 --> 00:54:54,759
They're tighter than you think.
1149
00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:58,127
Even though
she was young, you know,
1150
00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:00,898
she had a baby,
and so that kinda,
1151
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,802
that kinda gave her the
edge over a few people.
1152
00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:10,540
I knew what he did when we
were outside Death Row Records,
1153
00:55:10,541 --> 00:55:12,842
but he, as soon as Sharitha
found out about it,
1154
00:55:12,843 --> 00:55:14,744
something had happened,
1155
00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:16,245
he's sitting at home.
1156
00:55:16,246 --> 00:55:17,748
It was never done.
1157
00:55:19,116 --> 00:55:20,750
He didn't play that one.
1158
00:55:20,751 --> 00:55:23,119
It was like, I guess
it was like okay,
1159
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,491
either me or them, and I'm not
giving up the child checks.
1160
00:55:27,492 --> 00:55:29,258
She had a cheating husband.
1161
00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:31,595
She was, had
financial ties to him.
1162
00:55:31,596 --> 00:55:35,198
She could definitely
gain from him being dead.
1163
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:37,166
So in all of those
circumstances,
1164
00:55:37,167 --> 00:55:39,002
there might be good motive.
1165
00:55:39,003 --> 00:55:40,637
I mean, murder is pretty simple.
1166
00:55:40,638 --> 00:55:43,373
The first person you
go after is the spouse,
1167
00:55:43,374 --> 00:55:45,975
or the person closest
to the victim.
1168
00:55:45,976 --> 00:55:46,944
He just changed.
1169
00:55:46,945 --> 00:55:48,613
His ego, his temper.
1170
00:55:50,247 --> 00:55:53,216
The women started
flocking, the money.
1171
00:55:53,217 --> 00:55:56,019
That was basically the
demise of our marriage.
1172
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:58,522
Suge got out of control.
1173
00:56:00,425 --> 00:56:02,692
She went with the flow.
1174
00:56:02,693 --> 00:56:04,260
It didn't bother her.
1175
00:56:04,261 --> 00:56:07,997
A lot of times, she got
herself into situations too.
1176
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,133
And actually, by the
time she said that,
1177
00:56:10,134 --> 00:56:12,268
she was suing Snoop,
and trying to get money
1178
00:56:12,269 --> 00:56:14,604
'cause she said her
husband was gonna kill him
1179
00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:16,440
at any moment and she
wanted to get her money
1180
00:56:16,441 --> 00:56:17,707
while Snoop was still alive.
1181
00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:19,943
But more than just
Suge, we wondered if
1182
00:56:19,944 --> 00:56:22,579
maybe Tupac was a
threat to Sharitha.
1183
00:56:22,580 --> 00:56:25,314
When Tupac came
in the picture of Death Row,
1184
00:56:25,315 --> 00:56:27,084
it all just crumbled.
1185
00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:33,056
It would have been
easy for her to take over,
1186
00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:37,393
but I don't think she had the
experience that was necessary
1187
00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:39,262
to keep a multi-million dollar
1188
00:56:39,263 --> 00:56:42,265
record company
running like that.
1189
00:56:42,266 --> 00:56:43,900
You couldn't reach
Sharitha except
1190
00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:45,502
through intermediaries
who were lawyers,
1191
00:56:45,503 --> 00:56:49,473
but I had documents, and
she knew I had those.
1192
00:56:49,474 --> 00:56:51,975
I basically knew about her
relationship with Kevin Gaines,
1193
00:56:51,976 --> 00:56:55,212
so it was, how far
in Kevin Gaines was.
1194
00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:59,048
Was it, you know, was he
just involved with you?
1195
00:56:59,049 --> 00:57:02,786
Or was he really
working for Suge too?
1196
00:57:02,787 --> 00:57:03,621
And.
1197
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:07,857
She basically claimed
that he did work for
1198
00:57:07,858 --> 00:57:10,259
Death Row Records, but it was
at her behest and through her,
1199
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,662
and that, you know, the only
time he was ever around Suge
1200
00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:15,364
was the time she thought
Suge was gonna kill him.
1201
00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:18,301
He worked briefly
for Suge Knight just as,
1202
00:57:18,302 --> 00:57:20,704
approximately 100
other officers.
1203
00:57:20,705 --> 00:57:24,273
Officers were paid $75 an
hour to work for Suge Knight.
1204
00:57:24,274 --> 00:57:27,777
I was asked to work for Suge
Knight, which I declined.
1205
00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:29,045
But a lot of officers did,
1206
00:57:29,046 --> 00:57:30,880
and they weren't
all black officers.
1207
00:57:30,881 --> 00:57:32,482
And they weren't all from LAPD.
1208
00:57:32,483 --> 00:57:33,717
When they took the drive,
1209
00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:37,353
and Gaines and she
both got scared.
1210
00:57:37,354 --> 00:57:38,655
But according to the stories
1211
00:57:38,656 --> 00:57:40,790
that roam the halls
of Death Row Records,
1212
00:57:40,791 --> 00:57:42,992
Kevin Gaines was
taken out to the
1213
00:57:42,993 --> 00:57:45,228
middle of the
desert as a warning.
1214
00:57:45,229 --> 00:57:48,998
He was stripped naked and
left to walk back to the city.
1215
00:57:48,999 --> 00:57:50,534
'Cause Suge was
being very menacing,
1216
00:57:50,535 --> 00:57:52,636
and she basically backed him off
1217
00:57:52,637 --> 00:57:54,904
by saying, you know, this
man's a police officer,
1218
00:57:54,905 --> 00:57:57,373
he's got a gun, you wouldn't
dare kill a police officer.
1219
00:57:57,374 --> 00:57:59,342
According to the FBI documents,
1220
00:57:59,343 --> 00:58:01,678
Kevin Gaines was in Las Vegas
1221
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,080
from two days prior to
the shooting of Shakur
1222
00:58:04,081 --> 00:58:07,283
until two days after
the death of Shakur.
1223
00:58:07,284 --> 00:58:09,052
So we know that Kevin
Gaines was already
1224
00:58:09,053 --> 00:58:11,688
Snoop Dogg's bodyguard,
and apparently his muscle.
1225
00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:13,489
And that Kevin Gaines had a
1226
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,324
relationship with
Sharitha Knight.
1227
00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:17,661
So what exactly was
Kevin Gaines doing
1228
00:58:17,662 --> 00:58:21,598
out on that special
assignment in Las Vegas?
1229
00:58:25,435 --> 00:58:27,971
We came across a
letter that was called,
1230
00:58:27,972 --> 00:58:29,973
we call it the
confession letter.
1231
00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:33,309
That was given to us by
Chris Blatchford at Fox News.
1232
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:36,580
And this letter was given
to him in 1998, okay,
1233
00:58:36,581 --> 00:58:40,049
by a gentleman who
is now in prison.
1234
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:42,151
But at the time he was
a confidential informant
1235
00:58:42,152 --> 00:58:45,254
for Fox News for Chris
Blatchford, and he was reliable.
1236
00:58:45,255 --> 00:58:46,723
He'd helped him,
actually tipped him off
1237
00:58:46,724 --> 00:58:49,125
to a couple of really big
burglaries that had happened.
1238
00:58:49,126 --> 00:58:52,495
CHP's offices got
burglarized, and he helped
1239
00:58:52,496 --> 00:58:55,699
Fox catch the people that
did it, and this letter
1240
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,767
was alleged to have been written
1241
00:58:57,768 --> 00:59:00,069
by Danny and Malcolm Patton.
1242
00:59:00,070 --> 00:59:03,807
And the Patton brothers
were Piru, Pirus.
1243
00:59:03,808 --> 00:59:05,742
And.
It's a gang in Los Angeles.
1244
00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:08,111
Yes, there's a gang in Los
Angeles, I should say that.
1245
00:59:08,112 --> 00:59:10,179
That the Blood gang.
Yeah.
1246
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:13,751
And that they had
mapped out this entire,
1247
00:59:15,352 --> 00:59:17,486
not only confession,
that they were involved
1248
00:59:17,487 --> 00:59:20,056
with the shootings, but
why the shootings happened.
1249
00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:22,525
What was all involved
with it to begin with.
1250
00:59:22,526 --> 00:59:26,529
And in that letter, not only
were the Pattons the ones
1251
00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:28,632
who were alleged to
have written the letter,
1252
00:59:28,633 --> 00:59:31,901
but they named a rapper by
the name of Lil Half Dead.
1253
00:59:31,902 --> 00:59:34,337
You have to be pretty hard
core, know the Dogg Pound
1254
00:59:34,338 --> 00:59:37,340
to know the player,
to know who he is.
1255
00:59:37,341 --> 00:59:41,044
So his name came up,
but it was immediately
1256
00:59:41,045 --> 00:59:44,147
kind of the scoff, because
nobody ever heard this before.
1257
00:59:44,148 --> 00:59:45,348
You don't need to
look any further
1258
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:48,284
than the album cover
that Lil Half Dead did.
1259
00:59:48,285 --> 00:59:49,953
In this album cover he features
1260
00:59:49,954 --> 00:59:53,957
a picture of a dead Tupac
Shakur slumped over a console
1261
00:59:53,958 --> 00:59:57,794
at Can-Am Studios, along
with a picture of what
1262
00:59:57,795 --> 01:00:00,897
arguably looks like Yafeu Fula,
1263
01:00:00,898 --> 01:00:03,299
the second victim right
after the shooting,
1264
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,736
as a victim as well
being shot in the head.
1265
01:00:06,737 --> 01:00:09,572
Lil Half Dead himself
is dressed up as
1266
01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:12,241
none other than the Terminator.
1267
01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:14,610
Dogg Pound, we was really
on our fuck Death Row shit,
1268
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:16,012
really, you know
what I'm saying.
1269
01:00:16,013 --> 01:00:17,446
We was already feeling.
At that time.
1270
01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:19,749
We was already
saying fuck Death Row.
1271
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:21,350
And the story
goes that they owed
1272
01:00:21,351 --> 01:00:22,886
Freeway Rick Ross some money.
1273
01:00:22,887 --> 01:00:25,188
At that time Fox News was
paying a lot of money,
1274
01:00:25,189 --> 01:00:26,856
and if they thought you could
break a story that would
1275
01:00:26,857 --> 01:00:31,060
get the kind of OJ ratings,
you solved Tupac and Biggie.
1276
01:00:31,061 --> 01:00:33,763
That kind of ratings
back in '97, '98.
1277
01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:37,667
Well, maybe it was
worth giving this to.
1278
01:00:37,668 --> 01:00:39,468
We've also heard that it
was an insurance policy,
1279
01:00:39,469 --> 01:00:42,105
because people were dropping
like flies during those days.
1280
01:00:42,106 --> 01:00:44,407
Sometimes you can give
the press a letter,
1281
01:00:44,408 --> 01:00:46,442
and you say, if
anything happens to me,
1282
01:00:46,443 --> 01:00:48,011
you're free to put this out.
1283
01:00:48,012 --> 01:00:50,279
Several different points
that the letter brings out.
1284
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,916
We narrowed it down to
four basic benchmarks
1285
01:00:52,917 --> 01:00:55,551
that we could look at to see
if there was any legitimacy.
1286
01:00:55,552 --> 01:00:57,687
The first one was demo stealing.
1287
01:00:57,688 --> 01:00:59,188
The letter mentions
the fact that
1288
01:00:59,189 --> 01:01:00,690
there was a problem
with demo stealing.
1289
01:01:00,691 --> 01:01:02,792
At the time there was a
problem with demo stealing.
1290
01:01:02,793 --> 01:01:04,694
There were a lot of
people ripping off albums.
1291
01:01:04,695 --> 01:01:06,129
Yeah, I saw that all the time.
1292
01:01:06,130 --> 01:01:09,232
Still you'll see it to this day.
1293
01:01:09,233 --> 01:01:11,267
When people would
come to Death Row
1294
01:01:11,268 --> 01:01:13,236
to play their tracks for us,
1295
01:01:13,237 --> 01:01:16,105
if it was a good
track after they left,
1296
01:01:16,106 --> 01:01:17,406
we might just make
something that
1297
01:01:17,407 --> 01:01:18,875
sounded like what we just heard.
1298
01:01:18,876 --> 01:01:20,777
Now, there's a song by
Tupac called "Toss it Up",
1299
01:01:20,778 --> 01:01:23,012
which is really, started
out from "No Diggity".
1300
01:01:23,013 --> 01:01:24,814
One day, all of a sudden,
1301
01:01:24,815 --> 01:01:26,349
Death Row security
comes to the door,
1302
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:27,917
and they've got the master
tape of "No Diggity".
1303
01:01:27,918 --> 01:01:31,054
As it got handed down the
line to different producers,
1304
01:01:31,055 --> 01:01:33,389
more and more stuff got
erased of "No Diggity",
1305
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:37,761
and then it's kind of hard
to hear that that's in there.
1306
01:01:37,762 --> 01:01:39,195
The second thing that
we looked at in the letter
1307
01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:41,530
was actually the
reference to the fact
1308
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:44,133
that there was an
altercation between
1309
01:01:44,134 --> 01:01:46,569
Lil Half Dead and
Tupac's soldiers.
1310
01:01:46,570 --> 01:01:49,939
I think Pac was a great man,
but his governor was broke.
1311
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:51,808
You know, in the car, when
you got your governor,
1312
01:01:51,809 --> 01:01:53,843
where you could
only go a certain,
1313
01:01:53,844 --> 01:01:56,245
Pac had to go all
the way, every time.
1314
01:01:56,246 --> 01:01:58,247
All out or nothing.
1315
01:01:58,248 --> 01:01:59,715
It got to the point where I
1316
01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,584
had a bail bondsman
on speed dial,
1317
01:02:01,585 --> 01:02:04,487
and he knew me, and he
knew our money was good.
1318
01:02:04,488 --> 01:02:08,224
So anytime Tupac or any of
the guys got in trouble,
1319
01:02:08,225 --> 01:02:09,725
usually it was Tupac,
1320
01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:12,896
and then Madman would have
to get bailed out also.
1321
01:02:12,897 --> 01:02:15,664
I'd call and get them
bailed out right away.
1322
01:02:15,665 --> 01:02:18,301
This is back in the day
where we're using Dats.
1323
01:02:18,302 --> 01:02:21,204
And I cued up the Dat
to the wrong spot.
1324
01:02:21,205 --> 01:02:24,373
And Pac, he just blasted me
in front of the whole crowd.
1325
01:02:24,374 --> 01:02:26,776
I'm sorry y'all, that's
my stupid brother.
1326
01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:29,278
That's my stupid-ass
brother on the mix.
1327
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:30,513
You know, I'm like.
1328
01:02:30,514 --> 01:02:32,415
No, they better come
now, check this out.
1329
01:02:32,416 --> 01:02:34,217
They fired me, but did
it in a round about,
1330
01:02:34,218 --> 01:02:36,385
punk, snitch way, so I
caught 'em on the streets
1331
01:02:36,386 --> 01:02:38,621
and beat they behinds,
you know what I'm saying,
1332
01:02:38,622 --> 01:02:40,723
I was a menace to
these brothers.
1333
01:02:40,724 --> 01:02:42,725
And it ain't over, I
still got more for you.
1334
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:46,429
And I'm going like
this is a movie.
1335
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:48,264
My fist is coming
back like this.
1336
01:02:48,265 --> 01:02:51,267
I got him by the neck, and I'm
getting ready to punch him,
1337
01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:53,803
and just like a movie
I get snatched off him.
1338
01:02:53,804 --> 01:02:55,438
And then it's just a bum rush,
1339
01:02:55,439 --> 01:02:56,940
and everybody just
start rat packing,
1340
01:02:56,941 --> 01:03:00,076
you're just like Raging Bull,
blood spurting everywhere.
1341
01:03:00,077 --> 01:03:02,045
And I just felt my
body just contort.
1342
01:03:02,046 --> 01:03:03,947
I'd never been, you
know, rat packed before.
1343
01:03:03,948 --> 01:03:07,451
I was just shocked I
didn't feel anything.
1344
01:03:11,688 --> 01:03:12,922
The third thing that the
1345
01:03:12,923 --> 01:03:14,123
confession letter brings up
1346
01:03:14,124 --> 01:03:15,391
is actually the
fact that there was
1347
01:03:15,392 --> 01:03:18,494
a bounty placed out on
Tupac and Suge Knight.
1348
01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:20,129
That's not news.
1349
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:21,931
There were bounties
that were put out
1350
01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:23,833
allegedly on Death Row chains.
1351
01:03:23,834 --> 01:03:26,802
There was allegedly
bounties put out on that.
1352
01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:28,504
Crooked Eye talks about
the fact that there
1353
01:03:28,505 --> 01:03:30,073
was actually a bounty
that was put out.
1354
01:03:30,074 --> 01:03:33,209
If you were a Death Row artist
you were marked for death.
1355
01:03:33,210 --> 01:03:34,610
The fourth thing
that we looked at,
1356
01:03:34,611 --> 01:03:36,179
and this was the
real jaw-dropper,
1357
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:38,381
and that was that they
mentioned Reggie Wright Jr.,
1358
01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:40,816
and his involvement and
the fact that he was going
1359
01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:44,753
to provide information as to
where they were going to be,
1360
01:03:44,754 --> 01:03:47,023
and to provide
barricades so that
1361
01:03:47,024 --> 01:03:49,558
there was actually no way out.
1362
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:51,961
Tupac thought he was going to
1363
01:03:51,962 --> 01:03:53,963
a place where he
could have protection,
1364
01:03:53,964 --> 01:03:58,201
but both Tupac and Suge
were in over their heads,
1365
01:03:58,202 --> 01:04:02,571
and they were both targeted
for execution that night.
1366
01:04:08,412 --> 01:04:10,013
Why would you
have people mad at you
1367
01:04:10,014 --> 01:04:14,084
when they're holding your
freedom in their hands?
1368
01:04:15,252 --> 01:04:17,520
Suge, what up with ya, big man.
1369
01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:19,255
Yeah, we livin'.
Suge!
1370
01:04:20,524 --> 01:04:22,025
By this time we know
that Death Row Records
1371
01:04:22,026 --> 01:04:24,593
and Ruthless Records had
been funded with drug money,
1372
01:04:24,594 --> 01:04:26,429
and that Death Row
Records was the subject
1373
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:28,764
of a money laundering
investigation.
1374
01:04:28,765 --> 01:04:31,100
The operation at Death
Row Records was the kind
1375
01:04:31,101 --> 01:04:35,004
of organization that you'd
wanna keep things kinda quiet.
1376
01:04:35,005 --> 01:04:37,873
Suge Knight started
showing up on talk shows.
1377
01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:40,409
He started showing up
on magazine covers.
1378
01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:41,978
And he started bringing
a lot of attention
1379
01:04:41,979 --> 01:04:45,581
to people who just did not
want that kind of attention.
1380
01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:49,753
In 1996, Death Row Records
is worth 1/2 a billion dollars.
1381
01:04:51,755 --> 01:04:53,756
There are a lot of people
that are really upset
1382
01:04:53,757 --> 01:04:55,992
with Suge Knight at the time.
1383
01:04:55,993 --> 01:04:58,361
So if you're Reggie Wright Jr.,
1384
01:04:58,362 --> 01:05:00,796
it only makes sense
that if something
1385
01:05:00,797 --> 01:05:03,499
is worth 1/2 a billion dollars,
1386
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:07,270
and you're tired of being
harassed by the guy who runs it,
1387
01:05:07,271 --> 01:05:11,574
why not just kill him
and take it from him?
1388
01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:13,978
Guns, drugs, jealousy, money.
1389
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,116
This is a really
bad formula here.
1390
01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:26,355
Now keep that back.
1391
01:05:26,356 --> 01:05:28,024
Keep that back.
1392
01:05:28,025 --> 01:05:29,925
I'm like, fuck that shit.
1393
01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:32,128
I could have jumped out
on his ass in Vegas,
1394
01:05:32,129 --> 01:05:33,729
but I, you know,
it was killing me,
1395
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:36,332
but Snoop was like, hold
on, don't fuck this up.
1396
01:05:36,333 --> 01:05:38,101
Don't fuck this up,
don't fuck this up.
1397
01:05:38,102 --> 01:05:40,336
Don't fuck this up.
Don't fuck this up.
1398
01:05:52,249 --> 01:05:54,483
On September the 7th,
1399
01:05:54,484 --> 01:05:56,919
Reggie Wright asked
me to ride with him
1400
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,454
to the meeting that
we were having.
1401
01:05:58,455 --> 01:06:00,056
It was about 12 noon.
1402
01:06:00,057 --> 01:06:04,460
And we were going to George
Kelisis' office in Las Vegas.
1403
01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:08,632
When we arrived there, there
was 23 other security personnel
1404
01:06:09,866 --> 01:06:12,168
for Wright Way Security
at this meeting,
1405
01:06:12,169 --> 01:06:16,339
along with the attorney
and Reggie Wright.
1406
01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:17,806
Which is another
thing that's unusual.
1407
01:06:17,807 --> 01:06:21,310
And one of the main issues
and the main points were
1408
01:06:21,311 --> 01:06:23,479
we were not to
carry our weapons.
1409
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,483
So, that right away brought
up the issue of why not.
1410
01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:30,319
I've been to Club
662 on many occasions,
1411
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,390
and never have they told
me to leave my weapon.
1412
01:06:34,391 --> 01:06:37,626
So myself, Michael
Moore, and Al Giddens
1413
01:06:37,627 --> 01:06:41,464
was excluded from
that because we were
1414
01:06:41,465 --> 01:06:45,635
gonna be the main security
at the Club 662 that evening.
1415
01:06:47,171 --> 01:06:50,973
Why would I leave my
weapons in a vehicle,
1416
01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:55,378
or in the hotel room, and
I'm personally guarding Pac?
1417
01:06:55,379 --> 01:06:57,780
In one of the most
hottest places to be.
1418
01:06:57,781 --> 01:06:59,982
We were told to
leave our weapons
1419
01:06:59,983 --> 01:07:02,718
originally into our
hotel room, okay.
1420
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,487
Then we said well, why would we
1421
01:07:04,488 --> 01:07:05,921
leave them in the hotel room?
1422
01:07:05,922 --> 01:07:07,190
There was gonna
be a lot of commotion,
1423
01:07:07,191 --> 01:07:08,624
there was gonna be
a lot of people.
1424
01:07:08,625 --> 01:07:10,659
And what that's
gonna make it is a
1425
01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:12,561
body guarding incident.
1426
01:07:12,562 --> 01:07:14,597
So at this point in
time all of the weapons
1427
01:07:14,598 --> 01:07:18,602
were gonna be at Club
662, left in our vehicles.
1428
01:07:20,737 --> 01:07:23,239
Therefore, if there
was gonna be a problem,
1429
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,475
we would be able to retrieve
our weapons from our vehicles.
1430
01:07:26,476 --> 01:07:31,180
I got into a little
argument with Reggie Wright.
1431
01:07:31,181 --> 01:07:32,681
At lunch over it.
1432
01:07:32,682 --> 01:07:35,017
He said, Mike, I'm
putting Frank back on him,
1433
01:07:35,018 --> 01:07:37,052
and I'm taking you back off.
1434
01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:39,288
And I said Reggie, that
part doesn't make sense.
1435
01:07:39,289 --> 01:07:42,292
Why not leave me
and Frank on Tupac?
1436
01:07:44,761 --> 01:07:48,831
I was at Los Angeles
County jail booking in
1437
01:07:48,832 --> 01:07:51,567
a burglary suspect I arrested,
I went to work that day.
1438
01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:53,936
At three o'clock or
four o'clock in the afternoon,
1439
01:07:53,937 --> 01:07:56,872
in Las Vegas, at the Luxor,
1440
01:07:56,873 --> 01:07:58,574
security was all
brought together
1441
01:07:58,575 --> 01:08:02,911
by Reggie Wright on the
day that Pac was shot,
1442
01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:05,748
and we were told not
to carry weapons,
1443
01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:07,516
'cause we were all armed.
1444
01:08:07,517 --> 01:08:11,688
We were told specifically,
do not carry your weapon.
1445
01:08:13,123 --> 01:08:15,991
And did you
find that kind of strange?
1446
01:08:15,992 --> 01:08:18,093
After the fight in the casino.
Yeah, everybody.
1447
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:20,563
Everybody thought
it was strange.
1448
01:08:20,564 --> 01:08:24,633
Why would, why were guys
told not to carry weapons?
1449
01:08:24,634 --> 01:08:26,101
Even the cops that were there
1450
01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:27,803
were told not to carry weapons.
1451
01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:29,905
Everybody was told
not to carry weapons.
1452
01:08:29,906 --> 01:08:31,507
That's what we were told.
1453
01:08:31,508 --> 01:08:34,377
Now, I, at the meeting,
was one of the few,
1454
01:08:34,378 --> 01:08:36,745
asked one of the few questions.
1455
01:08:36,746 --> 01:08:41,016
Why would you tell us
not to carry our weapons?
1456
01:08:41,017 --> 01:08:43,619
This is their
number one artist, I mean.
1457
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:45,554
He's as high-profile
as they get.
1458
01:08:45,555 --> 01:08:48,424
You know, and you're paying
for all this security.
1459
01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:50,759
I mean, you got all
these guys at the club.
1460
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:51,728
Something's wrong.
1461
01:08:51,729 --> 01:08:53,762
The pieces, the pieces of this
1462
01:08:53,763 --> 01:08:55,831
whole situation
just doesn't fit.
1463
01:08:55,832 --> 01:08:57,966
I think the reason
they removed me
1464
01:08:57,967 --> 01:09:00,236
from Tupac is because
I was one of the
1465
01:09:00,237 --> 01:09:03,972
few people that wouldn't buy
into not carrying your weapon.
1466
01:09:03,973 --> 01:09:07,943
And during no part of that
day did I take my weapon off.
1467
01:09:07,944 --> 01:09:11,747
And Mr. Wright knew that, so
they removed me off Tupac,
1468
01:09:11,748 --> 01:09:13,749
so there wouldn't
be a weapon there.
1469
01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:16,118
I rode with Reggie,
and as we were riding,
1470
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:18,153
driving, going over
to the meeting,
1471
01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:22,326
he began to tell me about how
he was upset at Kevin Hackie,
1472
01:09:23,693 --> 01:09:25,594
because Kevin Hackie didn't
come out to Las Vegas,
1473
01:09:25,595 --> 01:09:28,664
and that Kevin
Hackie had my Nextel,
1474
01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:31,634
two-way, you know,
cell-phone radio,
1475
01:09:31,635 --> 01:09:34,870
that should have been given
to me when I arrived in Vegas.
1476
01:09:34,871 --> 01:09:37,273
Normally Frank and I
would both have radios,
1477
01:09:37,274 --> 01:09:40,075
and Frank'd just say,
hey Mike, I'm over here.
1478
01:09:40,076 --> 01:09:41,477
There was no radio again.
1479
01:09:41,478 --> 01:09:43,846
That day Frank
doesn't have a radio.
1480
01:09:43,847 --> 01:09:46,449
I don't have a radio,
which I normally have.
1481
01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:47,650
And we have confusion.
1482
01:09:47,651 --> 01:09:50,353
So for most of the
day, all this went on,
1483
01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:53,322
and Tupac did not have a clue
that's what we were doing.
1484
01:09:53,323 --> 01:09:56,158
Death Row was worth 1/2 a
billion dollars at that time,
1485
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,995
and Tupac Shakur,
most of that revenue.
1486
01:09:59,996 --> 01:10:02,698
If your go-to excuse as
the director of security
1487
01:10:02,699 --> 01:10:05,200
for Death Row Records
is that you can't afford
1488
01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,736
an extra radio, and that's why
you don't have enough radios
1489
01:10:07,737 --> 01:10:10,339
to go around, you should
be ashamed of yourself.
1490
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:12,841
When Reggie did that
and I questioned it,
1491
01:10:12,842 --> 01:10:14,843
Reggie did something
that he's never done.
1492
01:10:14,844 --> 01:10:17,580
He's never stayed at 662.
1493
01:10:17,581 --> 01:10:20,683
He, that day, he
stayed at the club.
1494
01:10:20,684 --> 01:10:22,485
Then why would he need me there,
1495
01:10:22,486 --> 01:10:25,521
and why would I be
taken off of Tupac?
1496
01:10:34,398 --> 01:10:35,764
I didn't just meet Suge
1497
01:10:35,765 --> 01:10:37,633
when I started
working at Death Row.
1498
01:10:37,634 --> 01:10:40,269
I used to work at Solar Records.
1499
01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:41,870
When he was running around,
1500
01:10:41,871 --> 01:10:43,606
go-fering, and going
and buying lunch,
1501
01:10:43,607 --> 01:10:46,409
and picking lunch up,
and all of that stuff,
1502
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:48,677
but they groomed him
into Suge Knight.
1503
01:10:48,678 --> 01:10:52,749
The ladies would see from
Suge is this nice side.
1504
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:55,651
And the nice side is making sure
1505
01:10:55,652 --> 01:10:57,252
you didn't want for nothing.
1506
01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:59,388
You know Suge, for a while,
1507
01:10:59,389 --> 01:11:02,291
was sending her
roses all the time.
1508
01:11:02,292 --> 01:11:04,627
Too many, every time
that she was here.
1509
01:11:04,628 --> 01:11:07,330
You'd go open the door and
there was some more flowers,
1510
01:11:07,331 --> 01:11:10,699
you know, for every occasion,
and sometimes every week.
1511
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:12,535
Initially he would
send her flowers,
1512
01:11:12,536 --> 01:11:15,538
and when we were
still in California,
1513
01:11:15,539 --> 01:11:19,508
they would try to, they
initially kept the bills paid.
1514
01:11:19,509 --> 01:11:22,177
See, we thought that
was Pac's house.
1515
01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:25,180
We did not know that
was Death Row's house.
1516
01:11:25,181 --> 01:11:28,050
That was not his house,
it was not in his name.
1517
01:11:28,051 --> 01:11:29,752
From the moment we got there,
1518
01:11:29,753 --> 01:11:32,488
we thought that that was
Pac's house he was buying.
1519
01:11:32,489 --> 01:11:35,157
So he bought
everybody a car for Christmas.
1520
01:11:35,158 --> 01:11:39,695
But the catch on that on the
control side, on the flip side,
1521
01:11:39,696 --> 01:11:42,498
he never put the
car in your name.
1522
01:11:42,499 --> 01:11:45,133
So if he got mad at you
he took your car back.
1523
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,703
He died in September, October.
1524
01:11:47,704 --> 01:11:50,807
We had an estate
storage company come
1525
01:11:52,442 --> 01:11:54,777
and take all of the
stuff out of that house.
1526
01:11:54,778 --> 01:11:56,712
He has a side of him
1527
01:11:56,713 --> 01:12:00,048
that is the sweeter side,
and then he has a side of him
1528
01:12:00,049 --> 01:12:02,351
that he literally
turns into the devil.
1529
01:12:02,352 --> 01:12:04,887
Because he's so nice with it,
1530
01:12:04,888 --> 01:12:07,623
he catches you off-guard
when he does something.
1531
01:12:07,624 --> 01:12:12,094
Suge had them to pack
everything in the Wilshire house
1532
01:12:12,095 --> 01:12:13,529
and send it down here.
1533
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:14,963
She didn't even
know it was coming.
1534
01:12:14,964 --> 01:12:16,399
We looked and it was there.
1535
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,501
She didn't want it
in particularly,
1536
01:12:18,502 --> 01:12:20,102
even though she took
it 'cause it was here,
1537
01:12:20,103 --> 01:12:22,606
'cause she said it wasn't his.
1538
01:12:27,444 --> 01:12:31,847
We were getting very close
to wrapping on Gridlock,
1539
01:12:31,848 --> 01:12:34,149
we probably had maybe a
week or two left on it,
1540
01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:38,321
and myself and Kevin Hackie,
we were both on duty that day
1541
01:12:39,322 --> 01:12:40,789
on the set.
1542
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:43,225
And it was in the evening time,
'cause it was already night.
1543
01:12:43,226 --> 01:12:46,395
And I got this phone
call from Yaasmyn Fula,
1544
01:12:46,396 --> 01:12:49,665
and she said, hey Frank,
I'm coming down to Gridlock,
1545
01:12:49,666 --> 01:12:51,333
don't you and Kevin
leave 'cause I
1546
01:12:51,334 --> 01:12:53,135
need to talk to the two of you.
1547
01:12:53,136 --> 01:12:55,504
So, you know, probably
30 minutes later,
1548
01:12:55,505 --> 01:12:58,174
she shows up, and she goes, hey.
1549
01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:00,843
She goes, there's
some things going on
1550
01:13:00,844 --> 01:13:03,546
over at the Death Row office.
1551
01:13:03,547 --> 01:13:06,281
Pac has called an audit
on the Death Row office.
1552
01:13:06,282 --> 01:13:07,716
You have to keep in mind,
1553
01:13:07,717 --> 01:13:10,252
it was a conflict of
interest for Tupac to have
1554
01:13:10,253 --> 01:13:15,257
the same attorney that Death
Row had, being David Kenner.
1555
01:13:15,258 --> 01:13:17,960
You know what I mean, that
speaks for itself right there.
1556
01:13:17,961 --> 01:13:20,128
He wasn't feeling comfortable
with what he was receiving,
1557
01:13:20,129 --> 01:13:22,665
I guess, as far as his
royalties or whatever.
1558
01:13:22,666 --> 01:13:25,468
So that's the completion
of that obligation.
1559
01:13:25,469 --> 01:13:27,302
As we, as I know it.
1560
01:13:27,303 --> 01:13:29,972
And I tell you, he
had movie scripts,
1561
01:13:29,973 --> 01:13:32,107
and he was truly
interested in that.
1562
01:13:32,108 --> 01:13:33,776
People were talking
to him about it.
1563
01:13:33,777 --> 01:13:35,611
Yeah, he's done, he was done.
1564
01:13:35,612 --> 01:13:37,145
He was done.
1565
01:13:37,146 --> 01:13:38,380
He was done.
1566
01:13:38,381 --> 01:13:42,084
There were meetings with
attorneys, Yaas and I,
1567
01:13:42,085 --> 01:13:44,487
yeah, he was done, he was done.
1568
01:13:44,488 --> 01:13:48,391
He had fulfilled his
obligation with Death Row.
1569
01:13:50,393 --> 01:13:54,564
And no intentions of renewing
any sort of paper agreement.
1570
01:14:27,931 --> 01:14:31,867
If David Kenner or Suge Knight
1571
01:14:31,868 --> 01:14:34,503
or anyone else that
was upset with Tupac,
1572
01:14:34,504 --> 01:14:37,172
what do you think
they would have done?
1573
01:14:37,173 --> 01:14:39,575
Institutionalize Tupac.
1574
01:14:39,576 --> 01:14:43,779
Have his appeal bond
revoked, for some reason.
1575
01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:45,347
They would have no
reason to kill him
1576
01:14:45,348 --> 01:14:46,915
or anything like that.
1577
01:14:46,916 --> 01:14:49,518
They would just have
him go back to jail,
1578
01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:51,654
and humble him a bit.
1579
01:15:00,463 --> 01:15:01,997
According to Reggie Wright,
1580
01:15:01,998 --> 01:15:03,498
if Tupac got out of line,
1581
01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:06,368
we'll just throw him back
in jail, and humiliate him.
1582
01:15:06,369 --> 01:15:07,636
Humble him a little.
1583
01:15:07,637 --> 01:15:09,738
Isn't that what they
did to Kevin Gaines?
1584
01:15:09,739 --> 01:15:11,974
Isn't that what they
did to Snoop Dogg?
1585
01:15:11,975 --> 01:15:14,577
And Seldon
is down on his stomach.
1586
01:15:14,578 --> 01:15:15,511
And that's it.
1587
01:15:15,512 --> 01:15:18,614
It's over in the first round.
1588
01:15:18,615 --> 01:15:21,984
Tyson was Pac's
homeboy, and to, you know,
1589
01:15:21,985 --> 01:15:23,586
see Tyson in the
ring doing his thing,
1590
01:15:23,587 --> 01:15:26,756
you know, whooping
up on Bruce Seldon.
1591
01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:30,559
Pac was excited, you know, he
was jumping up, and he was,
1592
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,728
you know, saying
what he was saying,
1593
01:15:32,729 --> 01:15:35,430
you know, everybody getting
excited about a fight.
1594
01:15:35,431 --> 01:15:39,368
And that continued from
the seats into the back
1595
01:15:40,536 --> 01:15:44,840
of the, the area where
the boxers come back in
1596
01:15:44,841 --> 01:15:46,274
after the fight is over.
1597
01:15:46,275 --> 01:15:48,510
And he, you know, got back
there, and he's just going off,
1598
01:15:48,511 --> 01:15:51,013
you know, man, 50 blows, 50 man,
1599
01:15:51,014 --> 01:15:54,482
he knocked him out with 50
blows, you know, blah blah blah.
1600
01:15:54,483 --> 01:15:56,118
That was it, that was it.
1601
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:58,020
That was the excitement
of that fight,
1602
01:15:58,021 --> 01:15:59,554
that was Pac's
excitement behind it.
1603
01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:01,223
Mike Tyson never
came in the back,
1604
01:16:01,224 --> 01:16:03,659
so we never met up with Mike.
1605
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:04,860
We ended up leaving.
1606
01:16:04,861 --> 01:16:08,097
As we left out of
the fight arena area,
1607
01:16:09,232 --> 01:16:12,435
as we got out into
the casino area again,
1608
01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:17,372
the rest of our entourage
was out there waiting on us.
1609
01:16:17,373 --> 01:16:20,508
As we walked up to greet them,
1610
01:16:20,509 --> 01:16:24,681
which would have been, you know,
all of Death Row entourage,
1611
01:16:25,715 --> 01:16:28,516
along with Tupac's entourage.
1612
01:16:28,517 --> 01:16:31,787
One of Suge's guys,
his name was Trayvon.
1613
01:16:31,788 --> 01:16:35,057
Came over and whispered
in Tupac's right ear,
1614
01:16:35,058 --> 01:16:37,225
because I was standing
on Tupac's left.
1615
01:16:37,226 --> 01:16:39,161
Tupac took off and ran.
1616
01:16:39,162 --> 01:16:40,195
His governor was broke.
1617
01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:41,664
I took off behind him.
1618
01:16:41,665 --> 01:16:43,766
Your appeal
was about to be overturned.
1619
01:16:43,767 --> 01:16:45,901
And the rest of the
entourage was behind me.
1620
01:16:45,902 --> 01:16:48,103
He did not
want to go back to prison.
1621
01:16:48,104 --> 01:16:49,772
I had never been
rat packed before.
1622
01:16:49,773 --> 01:16:53,175
Tupac comes to, at this
time, I didn't know who it was.
1623
01:16:53,176 --> 01:16:55,210
Now being Orlando Anderson,
1624
01:16:55,211 --> 01:16:58,781
standing by this planter,
just like waiting.
1625
01:16:58,782 --> 01:17:01,684
Why would you have
people mad at you and upset
1626
01:17:01,685 --> 01:17:03,952
if they're holding your
freedom in their hands.
1627
01:17:03,953 --> 01:17:05,821
It was a setup.
1628
01:17:05,822 --> 01:17:08,356
Tupac had
a big tour still to do.
1629
01:17:08,357 --> 01:17:09,357
They're holding your freedom.
1630
01:17:09,358 --> 01:17:11,761
They're holding your freedom.
1631
01:17:13,162 --> 01:17:15,831
Pac just ran up on him, and,
1632
01:17:15,832 --> 01:17:18,266
and Orlando Anderson swung back.
1633
01:17:18,267 --> 01:17:21,269
At this time, Pac's
medallion broke.
1634
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:23,471
When he reached out
to grab the medallion,
1635
01:17:23,472 --> 01:17:26,842
I grabbed him and got
him out of the fight.
1636
01:17:26,843 --> 01:17:28,343
By the time the
entourage who was
1637
01:17:28,344 --> 01:17:31,013
behind me had gotten there,
1638
01:17:31,014 --> 01:17:34,116
the footage that is from
the MGM everyone sees,
1639
01:17:34,117 --> 01:17:35,718
Orlando Anderson
is on the ground,
1640
01:17:35,719 --> 01:17:37,953
everybody's kicking at him,
beating him down or whatever.
1641
01:17:37,954 --> 01:17:41,123
Because I knew the
way through the MGM
1642
01:17:41,124 --> 01:17:43,759
'cause I was in the MGM
walking around earlier,
1643
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,429
looking for everyone, I
knew how to walk us out
1644
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:49,397
of the MGM to the entrance.
1645
01:17:49,398 --> 01:17:51,199
And I walked us out
of the entrance,
1646
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,335
as the tape shows, I'm in front,
1647
01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:56,404
Pac and Suge and everybody
is following me now.
1648
01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:57,806
After the beating there seems to
1649
01:17:57,807 --> 01:17:59,207
be a divergence of stories.
1650
01:17:59,208 --> 01:18:01,276
On one hand, some
people say that
1651
01:18:01,277 --> 01:18:04,813
Orlando Anderson left the MGM
to go on and do other things.
1652
01:18:04,814 --> 01:18:07,349
But witness Corey
Edwards actually said
1653
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:09,752
that Orlando Anderson
stayed at the bar.
1654
01:18:09,753 --> 01:18:11,519
Corey Edwards was
there with friends,
1655
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,521
as was Orlando Anderson.
1656
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:16,058
And if Orlando Anderson
was in fact at that bar,
1657
01:18:16,059 --> 01:18:18,160
according to Corey
Edwards, you don't think
1658
01:18:18,161 --> 01:18:20,028
the Las Vegas police
department would have
1659
01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:22,630
checked the closed circuit
cameras at the MGM,
1660
01:18:22,631 --> 01:18:25,300
to find out whether
that was true?
1661
01:18:25,301 --> 01:18:27,469
Well, Russell Poole
said they did.
1662
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:30,672
And Russell Poole said
that that was true.
1663
01:18:33,777 --> 01:18:36,544
After the fight
that occurred at the MGM,
1664
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,346
we got to the Luxor.
1665
01:18:38,347 --> 01:18:41,483
The crowd was all
outside all of the,
1666
01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:43,485
you know, groupies
and everything.
1667
01:18:43,486 --> 01:18:45,453
As I walked to
the car with them,
1668
01:18:45,454 --> 01:18:48,490
the first thought
in my mind was,
1669
01:18:48,491 --> 01:18:50,993
my weapon is in my car.
1670
01:18:50,994 --> 01:18:54,629
My car is on the other
side of the Luxor hotel.
1671
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:56,865
I wasn't gonna tell
Tupac and tell Suge,
1672
01:18:56,866 --> 01:18:58,733
oh, wait one minute,
I have to run over
1673
01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:01,469
to my car and get my gun.
1674
01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:04,873
Well, how come you don't
have your gun on you?
1675
01:19:04,874 --> 01:19:06,508
Well, Reggie told us not to.
1676
01:19:06,509 --> 01:19:08,410
You took a fall because
you didn't have your gun,
1677
01:19:08,411 --> 01:19:09,744
you should have had your gun.
1678
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,179
You know what, man?
1679
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:12,881
You see, now we have
conflicting stories, then.
1680
01:19:12,882 --> 01:19:14,316
Because we were told...
I told you that?
1681
01:19:14,317 --> 01:19:17,886
You're saying, I told
y'all, at least in the car.
1682
01:19:17,887 --> 01:19:19,855
You could carry
that gun with you.
1683
01:19:19,856 --> 01:19:21,389
Exactly, there you go.
1684
01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:22,991
You said, leave 'em in the car.
1685
01:19:22,992 --> 01:19:25,260
It ponders through
me all the time,
1686
01:19:25,261 --> 01:19:27,529
what if I could
have done something?
1687
01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:29,564
Then I would have
really been the hero
1688
01:19:29,565 --> 01:19:32,000
that Suge Knight
once thought I was.
1689
01:19:32,001 --> 01:19:34,136
When Snoop's
trailer got shot up.
1690
01:19:34,137 --> 01:19:38,640
I put myself in this position
in my mind many times.
1691
01:19:43,446 --> 01:19:46,715
To say what if I
would have had my gun.
1692
01:19:48,017 --> 01:19:49,918
While I was working at 662,
1693
01:19:49,919 --> 01:19:52,154
I heard something
over the Nextels
1694
01:19:52,155 --> 01:19:53,989
that we all carried
for security.
1695
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:55,924
And what I heard was, got 'em.
1696
01:19:55,925 --> 01:19:57,260
Got 'em.
Got 'em.
1697
01:19:58,427 --> 01:20:01,729
Michael talks about hearing
1698
01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:03,398
something over the radio.
1699
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:05,901
Well, he would have heard
it over Reggie's radio,
1700
01:20:05,902 --> 01:20:08,136
because he wouldn't have
had a radio that night.
1701
01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:11,039
Then someone else came
on the radio and said,
1702
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,808
hey, don't say nothing
over the radio.
1703
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:17,245
Which was the Nextels we
were using, radio to radio.
1704
01:20:17,246 --> 01:20:21,116
And I just clearly
heard somebody say,
1705
01:20:21,117 --> 01:20:22,650
don't say that over the radio.
1706
01:20:22,651 --> 01:20:26,021
But the person who said it
was not homeboy security.
1707
01:20:26,022 --> 01:20:28,156
Nor was it one of
our security guards.
1708
01:20:28,157 --> 01:20:30,825
It was, to me, would
be like a stranger.
1709
01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:34,196
Someone, and the person that
said that was Caucasian.
1710
01:20:34,197 --> 01:20:35,964
Definitely not African-American.
1711
01:20:35,965 --> 01:20:37,465
Oh, no, you know.
1712
01:20:37,466 --> 01:20:39,935
We've been getting that,
even, we were in the cab,
1713
01:20:39,936 --> 01:20:43,872
and we heard, you know,
something happened.
1714
01:20:43,873 --> 01:20:45,908
Tupac, somebody
was like, you know,
1715
01:20:45,909 --> 01:20:48,210
over the radio, oh those
rappers, Tupac, something,
1716
01:20:48,211 --> 01:20:50,045
you know, people have been shot.
1717
01:20:50,046 --> 01:20:51,947
I was like oh no, I'm
like, pull over, you know.
1718
01:20:51,948 --> 01:20:53,849
I'm like, calling Yaas.
1719
01:20:55,018 --> 01:20:56,885
I'm like, is everything okay?
1720
01:20:56,886 --> 01:20:59,721
And she found, she calls,
says no, go to the hospital.
1721
01:20:59,722 --> 01:21:01,056
She told me where
the hospital was,
1722
01:21:01,057 --> 01:21:02,524
we went to the hospital.
1723
01:21:02,525 --> 01:21:06,461
And then I also remember
seeing, you know,
1724
01:21:06,462 --> 01:21:09,064
Suge roll by on the gurney
with a little Band-Aid
1725
01:21:09,065 --> 01:21:12,000
on his head, and I was
like, what happened?
1726
01:21:12,001 --> 01:21:13,169
They missed.
1727
01:21:15,138 --> 01:21:16,139
They missed.
1728
01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:22,544
All of the planning that
they put into the operation,
1729
01:21:22,545 --> 01:21:24,947
they shot tons of
rounds into that car.
1730
01:21:24,948 --> 01:21:28,116
To the point where everybody
thought that they were dead.
1731
01:21:28,117 --> 01:21:31,186
But at the end of
the day, they missed.
1732
01:21:31,187 --> 01:21:35,358
After the shooting occurred
on September 7th that evening,
1733
01:21:37,826 --> 01:21:41,363
I don't understand
something that occurred.
1734
01:21:41,364 --> 01:21:44,499
Trayvon, after we
were questioned by
1735
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:49,037
the homicide detectives,
went back over to Club 662.
1736
01:21:49,038 --> 01:21:52,040
If he cared so much about Pac,
1737
01:21:52,041 --> 01:21:54,142
why didn't he go
to the hospital?
1738
01:21:54,143 --> 01:21:56,744
It didn't really seem to
register on anybody's radar,
1739
01:21:56,745 --> 01:21:58,480
that it might have
been an attempted
1740
01:21:58,481 --> 01:22:00,148
assassination on Suge Knight.
1741
01:22:00,149 --> 01:22:03,385
Suge was at the hospital,
Pac was at the hospital.
1742
01:22:03,386 --> 01:22:07,390
How come everyone that
supposedly had loved Pac,
1743
01:22:08,491 --> 01:22:11,126
other than his
family, the Outlawz.
1744
01:22:11,127 --> 01:22:13,795
This is about
selling a narrative.
1745
01:22:13,796 --> 01:22:15,397
They tried to sell
a narrative to
1746
01:22:15,398 --> 01:22:17,765
the Las Vegas police
and it didn't work.
1747
01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:20,002
They tried to sell
the same narrative
1748
01:22:20,003 --> 01:22:23,105
through Chuck Phillips
at the Los Angeles Times.
1749
01:22:23,106 --> 01:22:24,639
And that didn't work.
1750
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,175
They tried to sell
the narrative through
1751
01:22:27,176 --> 01:22:30,878
the Wallace investigation
and the Wallace civil suit,
1752
01:22:30,879 --> 01:22:32,580
through Waymond Anderson.
1753
01:22:32,581 --> 01:22:34,983
And then they tried
the last round,
1754
01:22:34,984 --> 01:22:37,820
to sell it through
an ex-LAPD cop,
1755
01:22:38,687 --> 01:22:41,356
in a book called Murder Rap.
1756
01:22:41,357 --> 01:22:43,125
How come everybody
didn't go to the hospital?
1757
01:22:43,126 --> 01:22:44,692
What happened?
1758
01:22:44,693 --> 01:22:46,061
I don't understand that.
1759
01:22:46,062 --> 01:22:48,463
So now we're
in damage control mode.
1760
01:22:48,464 --> 01:22:50,999
Suge Knight got shot
at, and he lived.
1761
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,634
Now what the hell
are we gonna do?
1762
01:22:52,635 --> 01:22:54,802
Because you've got
somebody asking questions,
1763
01:22:54,803 --> 01:22:56,271
and we don't have an answer.
1764
01:22:56,272 --> 01:22:58,140
I had Newsweek and
Time, I had all of them,
1765
01:22:58,141 --> 01:23:02,144
majors, magazines and
newspapers coming to Club 662.
1766
01:23:02,145 --> 01:23:03,378
They gotta make up a story.
1767
01:23:03,379 --> 01:23:05,280
They gotta come
up with something.
1768
01:23:05,281 --> 01:23:08,650
Because after the fight
Tupac was going to entertain.
1769
01:23:08,651 --> 01:23:11,053
You have the attempted
assassination of the head of
1770
01:23:11,054 --> 01:23:15,223
arguably the largest
record label at that time.
1771
01:23:15,224 --> 01:23:16,391
Now, if this were David Geffen,
1772
01:23:16,392 --> 01:23:18,460
or any other big
record label executive,
1773
01:23:18,461 --> 01:23:20,095
there'd be cops falling
all over themselves
1774
01:23:20,096 --> 01:23:22,030
to try to investigate this.
1775
01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:25,167
But, it didn't seem
to work that way.
1776
01:23:25,168 --> 01:23:27,902
So then I went
and, to see Tupac,
1777
01:23:27,903 --> 01:23:29,371
they wouldn't let
me close to Tupac,
1778
01:23:29,372 --> 01:23:31,506
but they did let
me see in there.
1779
01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:34,109
So that's when
Kenner came to me,
1780
01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:37,945
and said, do you have keys
to Death Row, to the offices?
1781
01:23:37,946 --> 01:23:40,748
He said, well then you get
on the next thing smoking,
1782
01:23:40,749 --> 01:23:42,650
you know, hey, do
you need some money?
1783
01:23:42,651 --> 01:23:44,786
I said, no, I got money.
1784
01:23:44,787 --> 01:23:46,054
And go back to LA.
1785
01:23:46,055 --> 01:23:48,022
So Suge Knight
goes back to Los Angeles
1786
01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:51,294
and has a meeting at
Death Row Records.
1787
01:23:52,928 --> 01:23:55,063
Suge called a
meeting, all the artists
1788
01:23:55,064 --> 01:23:57,065
were instructed to
come to this meeting,
1789
01:23:57,066 --> 01:24:00,068
and certain security
was invited.
1790
01:24:00,069 --> 01:24:01,669
And I happened to be one of 'em.
1791
01:24:01,670 --> 01:24:05,039
But prior to going into
the meeting with Suge
1792
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,142
and all the artists
from Death Row,
1793
01:24:07,143 --> 01:24:09,577
Reggie met with us out
front in his own meeting.
1794
01:24:09,578 --> 01:24:12,280
But I'm gonna add
something to that.
1795
01:24:12,281 --> 01:24:14,850
We were also instructed to lie.
1796
01:24:16,051 --> 01:24:18,986
By Reggie Wright, to Suge.
1797
01:24:18,987 --> 01:24:20,988
But if I'm Suge Knight,
1798
01:24:20,989 --> 01:24:22,357
and somebody takes a shot at me,
1799
01:24:22,358 --> 01:24:23,925
regardless of who
else is in the car,
1800
01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,360
they're shooting at me.
1801
01:24:25,361 --> 01:24:28,430
I wanna know who
shot at me, and why.
1802
01:24:28,431 --> 01:24:31,032
And the reason we
were instructed to lie,
1803
01:24:31,033 --> 01:24:35,204
was because Reggie Wright told
us not to carry any weapons.
1804
01:24:36,339 --> 01:24:37,939
What did they do?
1805
01:24:37,940 --> 01:24:39,341
They lie.
1806
01:24:39,342 --> 01:24:43,378
So, I have, by me just
looking at what Reggie told me,
1807
01:24:43,379 --> 01:24:47,081
I'm thinking that Mr.
Knight was unaware.
1808
01:24:47,082 --> 01:24:48,850
More importantly, I wanna know
1809
01:24:48,851 --> 01:24:50,652
how far down this
rabbit hole goes.
1810
01:24:50,653 --> 01:24:53,755
The meeting was basically
about what happened,
1811
01:24:53,756 --> 01:24:56,524
and the artists were
drilling security
1812
01:24:56,525 --> 01:24:59,561
about what methods we had used,
1813
01:24:59,562 --> 01:25:01,028
and what were some
of our tactics.
1814
01:25:01,029 --> 01:25:02,497
And we know from looking
at the statement that
1815
01:25:02,498 --> 01:25:04,966
Suge Knight gave to the Las
Vegas Police Department,
1816
01:25:04,967 --> 01:25:07,335
that he fully expected
that Frank Alexander
1817
01:25:07,336 --> 01:25:08,770
and every other bodyguard there
1818
01:25:08,771 --> 01:25:10,372
was to carry their weapons.
1819
01:25:10,373 --> 01:25:11,739
So whatever the case
might have been,
1820
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:13,675
Suge Knight didn't
get the message.
1821
01:25:13,676 --> 01:25:15,643
I looked around,
and no one said it.
1822
01:25:15,644 --> 01:25:17,279
No one was speaking
up for security.
1823
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,381
So I'm Suge Knight,
and I'm asking myself,
1824
01:25:19,382 --> 01:25:20,982
who the hell is
shooting at me and why?
1825
01:25:20,983 --> 01:25:23,050
And who's the first
person I'm gonna ask?
1826
01:25:23,051 --> 01:25:25,453
My head of security,
Reggie Wright Jr.
1827
01:25:25,454 --> 01:25:28,923
And it looked like
Reggie wasn't going to
1828
01:25:28,924 --> 01:25:31,327
say that information to them.
1829
01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:40,602
The driver appeared to be hit
1830
01:25:40,603 --> 01:25:43,705
with a fragment
in the head area.
1831
01:25:43,706 --> 01:25:47,409
At this time the wounds
are life-threatening.
1832
01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:50,278
Serious, not in critical
condition at this time.
1833
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:52,380
Homicide detectives are
very busy right now.
1834
01:25:52,381 --> 01:25:54,148
He has numerous injuries.
1835
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,050
He has multiple gunshot
wounds to the chest
1836
01:25:56,051 --> 01:25:58,119
and so, yes, that's
always a possibility
1837
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,688
that a lung could be hit,
a lung could collapse.
1838
01:26:00,689 --> 01:26:02,123
Or there could be
other internal injuries
1839
01:26:02,124 --> 01:26:05,493
that might need additional
attention in the OR.
1840
01:26:05,494 --> 01:26:07,762
Kevin Hackie
shows up in Las Vegas,
1841
01:26:07,763 --> 01:26:09,897
and he's got a lot of questions
as to what's happening.
1842
01:26:09,898 --> 01:26:11,165
I was in the hospital.
1843
01:26:11,166 --> 01:26:13,034
His eyes, you could
tell he was sedated.
1844
01:26:13,035 --> 01:26:15,036
So I mean, obviously,
his pupils were open,
1845
01:26:15,037 --> 01:26:17,038
but there was, there
was no movement there.
1846
01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:19,106
I actually started crying.
1847
01:26:19,107 --> 01:26:21,743
I mean, I was caught
up, I liked the kid.
1848
01:26:21,744 --> 01:26:23,177
But Kevin
Hackie gets into a scrape
1849
01:26:23,178 --> 01:26:25,547
with Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police,
1850
01:26:25,548 --> 01:26:27,449
when he reveals to them
that he may be involved
1851
01:26:27,450 --> 01:26:29,984
with a federal law
enforcement agency.
1852
01:26:29,985 --> 01:26:32,687
I did work
undercover for the FBI
1853
01:26:32,688 --> 01:26:35,557
and ATF during my tenure
with Death Row Records
1854
01:26:35,558 --> 01:26:37,225
and Wright Way
Protective Services.
1855
01:26:37,226 --> 01:26:38,826
There was a report
that was written
1856
01:26:38,827 --> 01:26:40,928
by the Las Vegas Metropolitan
Police Department
1857
01:26:40,929 --> 01:26:42,997
about the altercation
with Kevin Hackie.
1858
01:26:42,998 --> 01:26:45,433
The Las Vegas Metropoitan
Police Department
1859
01:26:45,434 --> 01:26:47,502
wasn't concerned about
anybody's safety,
1860
01:26:47,503 --> 01:26:49,837
but they were more concerned
about the public relations
1861
01:26:49,838 --> 01:26:52,139
of the Las Vegas Metropolitan
Police Department,
1862
01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:54,842
and strangely, the
public relations
1863
01:26:54,843 --> 01:26:57,178
of the Compton
Police Department.
1864
01:26:57,179 --> 01:26:58,946
Now since Compton
wasn't gonna be involved
1865
01:26:58,947 --> 01:27:01,048
in the case for
several days later,
1866
01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:03,918
why would the Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department
1867
01:27:03,919 --> 01:27:05,820
be so concerned about
the public relations
1868
01:27:05,821 --> 01:27:09,691
of the Compton Police Department,
if they weren't there yet?
1869
01:27:09,692 --> 01:27:13,862
A CEO of a company, or the
wife of somebody being murdered
1870
01:27:16,098 --> 01:27:18,900
is one kind of investigation,
but now you're talking about
1871
01:27:18,901 --> 01:27:22,370
something where there
was all kinds of
1872
01:27:22,371 --> 01:27:24,171
alleged baggage involved.
1873
01:27:24,172 --> 01:27:25,607
This is where you begin to see
1874
01:27:25,608 --> 01:27:27,575
Compton Police Department
inject themselves
1875
01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:30,211
into the middle of the
Las Vegas investigation
1876
01:27:30,212 --> 01:27:33,581
under the false pretense
that it's a gang activity.
1877
01:27:33,582 --> 01:27:37,519
And again, that first
night, I don't think he was
1878
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,987
totally forthcoming
on everything he knew.
1879
01:27:39,988 --> 01:27:42,490
So they approach Frank
Alexander to basically
1880
01:27:42,491 --> 01:27:44,326
lie to the Vegas
Police Department,
1881
01:27:44,327 --> 01:27:47,161
and tell them that a chain
was actually snatched
1882
01:27:47,162 --> 01:27:49,531
the day of the
shooting, September 6th,
1883
01:27:49,532 --> 01:27:50,765
earlier that morning.
1884
01:27:50,766 --> 01:27:53,668
And that was the story
that was concocted then.
1885
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:55,503
It happened that day.
1886
01:27:55,504 --> 01:27:57,038
Nothing about the Lakewood Mall,
1887
01:27:57,039 --> 01:27:59,741
and nothing about anything
happening months earlier.
1888
01:27:59,742 --> 01:28:01,343
It was all happening that day.
1889
01:28:01,344 --> 01:28:03,745
And that's what they told Frank
Alexander to tell the cops,
1890
01:28:03,746 --> 01:28:05,680
and that's what Frank
Alexander told the cops.
1891
01:28:05,681 --> 01:28:07,782
Every time I think it's over,
1892
01:28:07,783 --> 01:28:10,519
they drag me right
back in again.
1893
01:28:12,655 --> 01:28:14,822
And later on when
Frank Alexander is asked
1894
01:28:14,823 --> 01:28:18,926
to repeat that story
again, he refuses.
1895
01:28:18,927 --> 01:28:21,496
We were supposed
to went down to Vegas,
1896
01:28:21,497 --> 01:28:24,666
me, you, and Malcolm, 'cause
Malcolm could ID the person.
1897
01:28:24,667 --> 01:28:28,536
We're supposed to send
you and him down to ID,
1898
01:28:28,537 --> 01:28:30,171
you know, to look
at the pictures,
1899
01:28:30,172 --> 01:28:31,706
'cause they had a suspect.
1900
01:28:31,707 --> 01:28:33,975
And that's when they were,
had Orlando as a suspect.
1901
01:28:33,976 --> 01:28:35,443
And they were gonna
have y'all look
1902
01:28:35,444 --> 01:28:38,112
at the pictures before
then to see if maybe that,
1903
01:28:38,113 --> 01:28:42,284
you know, made your memory
get better or whatever.
1904
01:28:44,387 --> 01:28:46,187
Say you can describe somebody.
1905
01:28:46,188 --> 01:28:48,823
But once you see a picture,
oh yeah, that's him.
1906
01:28:48,824 --> 01:28:50,625
So that's what they
would have you to do,
1907
01:28:50,626 --> 01:28:52,159
and that's what David told them,
1908
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,764
that we had two witnesses that
uh, maybe could help you out
1909
01:28:56,765 --> 01:28:58,366
and put some things
in the right.
1910
01:28:58,367 --> 01:29:00,334
And, plus the
statement that you gave
1911
01:29:00,335 --> 01:29:03,070
about the chain and
all of that, you know,
1912
01:29:03,071 --> 01:29:06,408
with the additional information.
1913
01:29:06,409 --> 01:29:07,775
And when he refuses,
1914
01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:10,612
the story begins to
evolve a little bit.
1915
01:29:10,613 --> 01:29:13,481
It doesn't become that the
chain was snatched that day.
1916
01:29:13,482 --> 01:29:15,182
It becomes that the
chain was snatched
1917
01:29:15,183 --> 01:29:16,684
several months earlier.
1918
01:29:16,685 --> 01:29:21,122
His head of security is an
ex-Compton police officer.
1919
01:29:21,123 --> 01:29:23,891
It's suspected that you
have Compton gang members
1920
01:29:23,892 --> 01:29:25,860
that came up there
to do a shooting,
1921
01:29:25,861 --> 01:29:27,395
gang land style shooting.
1922
01:29:27,396 --> 01:29:31,365
And yet, and still, who's
heading up the investigation?
1923
01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,901
You have a lieutenant
from Compton Police.
1924
01:29:33,902 --> 01:29:38,205
Just whole, this whole thing,
it smells from high hell.
1925
01:29:38,206 --> 01:29:43,077
Hundreds of hours
of investigation was spent
1926
01:29:43,078 --> 01:29:45,947
on the narrative that said that
1927
01:29:45,948 --> 01:29:48,683
this guy murdered
this other person.
1928
01:29:48,684 --> 01:29:52,554
That narrative came
from the powers to be.
1929
01:29:52,555 --> 01:29:54,255
There's a Compton police
officer by the name of
1930
01:29:54,256 --> 01:29:57,024
Tim Brennan who is a
protege of Reggie Wright Sr.
1931
01:29:57,025 --> 01:29:58,560
Well, Tim Brennan
is the first one
1932
01:29:58,561 --> 01:30:00,828
that comes up in this
investigation with
1933
01:30:00,829 --> 01:30:03,631
the entire concept that
a gang was involved,
1934
01:30:03,632 --> 01:30:06,400
and that Orlando Anderson
was actually the shooter.
1935
01:30:06,401 --> 01:30:09,170
Tim Brennan and Bobby Ladd
run around talking about
1936
01:30:09,171 --> 01:30:12,507
what great guys Reggie Wright
Sr. And Hourie Taylor were,
1937
01:30:12,508 --> 01:30:14,275
and of course this is the
same Reggie Wright Sr.
1938
01:30:14,276 --> 01:30:16,177
That the Compton
Police Department says
1939
01:30:16,178 --> 01:30:18,480
is in charge of both
the gangs and the drugs,
1940
01:30:18,481 --> 01:30:20,915
and drugs are disappearing
from the evidence locker.
1941
01:30:20,916 --> 01:30:23,050
And the same Hourie
Taylor, that's the one
1942
01:30:23,051 --> 01:30:25,853
that has two keys of cocaine
fall out of his locker
1943
01:30:25,854 --> 01:30:28,723
when they investigate him
after being suspended.
1944
01:30:28,724 --> 01:30:30,825
You know, so obviously
from a law enforcement agency
1945
01:30:30,826 --> 01:30:33,327
looking in to this,
to all of a sudden,
1946
01:30:33,328 --> 01:30:34,629
there's war in Compton.
1947
01:30:34,630 --> 01:30:37,064
I mean, you know, calls
were made, you know.
1948
01:30:37,065 --> 01:30:39,901
So, quote unquote, you
know, alleged crip members
1949
01:30:39,902 --> 01:30:41,936
whatever were killed
left and right.
1950
01:30:41,937 --> 01:30:44,438
But from Las Vegas standpoint,
1951
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,373
I mean, the whole thing smells.
1952
01:30:46,374 --> 01:30:48,876
Tim Brennan lays the entire
Orlando Anderson theory
1953
01:30:48,877 --> 01:30:51,579
smack down in the middle
of the investigation,
1954
01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:54,716
and uses a couple of
confidential informants,
1955
01:30:54,717 --> 01:30:57,552
and we have no idea
of their reliability.
1956
01:30:57,553 --> 01:30:59,053
Oh yeah.
1957
01:30:59,054 --> 01:31:02,256
People you know, embellishing
search warrants to get it.
1958
01:31:02,257 --> 01:31:04,191
You know, so they can get it.
1959
01:31:04,192 --> 01:31:07,194
It's not, you know, in
my experience it wasn't
1960
01:31:07,195 --> 01:31:10,097
something that was widely done,
1961
01:31:10,098 --> 01:31:13,434
but there were times that
you'd hear about it was done.
1962
01:31:13,435 --> 01:31:15,803
But seriously, what
are they gonna do?
1963
01:31:15,804 --> 01:31:17,972
They're gonna try to
blame somebody else.
1964
01:31:17,973 --> 01:31:21,609
And who are they gonna
blame in a hurry?
1965
01:31:21,610 --> 01:31:23,010
They're gonna
blame somebody that
1966
01:31:23,011 --> 01:31:24,579
they can't point the finger on.
1967
01:31:24,580 --> 01:31:26,280
Somebody that can't
be named individually.
1968
01:31:26,281 --> 01:31:27,815
They're gonna name some entity.
1969
01:31:27,816 --> 01:31:31,987
They're gonna name some
group, some people, some gang.
1970
01:31:33,155 --> 01:31:34,822
But at the end of the
day, they're gonna lie.
1971
01:31:34,823 --> 01:31:36,490
And they had
to get a search warrant,
1972
01:31:36,491 --> 01:31:38,125
and they couldn't come up with,
1973
01:31:38,126 --> 01:31:39,794
you know, the
probable cause for it,
1974
01:31:39,795 --> 01:31:43,330
so sometimes it was
embellished, or yeah, made up.
1975
01:31:43,331 --> 01:31:45,867
That's what Tim
Brennan told me personally.
1976
01:31:45,868 --> 01:31:47,569
He said whenever they're
ready, tell 'em that
1977
01:31:47,570 --> 01:31:49,370
when they're ready
to know who did it,
1978
01:31:49,371 --> 01:31:50,938
who was in the car,
and all that stuff,
1979
01:31:50,939 --> 01:31:52,740
tell 'em we have the
evidence, we know who did it,
1980
01:31:52,741 --> 01:31:54,976
we know exactly who was
in that car that night.
1981
01:31:54,977 --> 01:31:57,344
And he's basically saying,
and I don't wanna start
1982
01:31:57,345 --> 01:31:59,914
the tension between two
different departments,
1983
01:31:59,915 --> 01:32:02,516
but he said...
Well it's funny because,
1984
01:32:02,517 --> 01:32:06,688
he, everything we had
came from Tim Brennan.
1985
01:32:06,689 --> 01:32:10,859
You can't always take
what they say 100% true,
1986
01:32:13,862 --> 01:32:16,698
because you always have
to look at a motive
1987
01:32:16,699 --> 01:32:19,233
for somebody, why are
they saying what they're,
1988
01:32:19,234 --> 01:32:21,202
why are they telling me
what they're telling me?
1989
01:32:21,203 --> 01:32:22,436
Do they have a motive?
1990
01:32:22,437 --> 01:32:25,372
You have to understand
the absurdity of this.
1991
01:32:25,373 --> 01:32:28,576
The entire narrative
being manufactured
1992
01:32:28,577 --> 01:32:29,977
is for a reason.
1993
01:32:29,978 --> 01:32:32,580
You have to solicit a
response from the judge.
1994
01:32:32,581 --> 01:32:35,282
You have to get the judge
to believe the story.
1995
01:32:35,283 --> 01:32:37,619
Is there some reason
why they're doing this?
1996
01:32:37,620 --> 01:32:40,922
'Cause I mean, it may be
something other than the truth.
1997
01:32:40,923 --> 01:32:42,824
If they had told the judge, hey,
1998
01:32:42,825 --> 01:32:45,126
there's just some random
arm that came out of a car,
1999
01:32:45,127 --> 01:32:46,794
we really don't know who it is,
2000
01:32:46,795 --> 01:32:48,930
and we really don't know
who is responsible for it,
2001
01:32:48,931 --> 01:32:50,832
and it may or may
not have been related
2002
01:32:50,833 --> 01:32:53,167
to a chain-snatch
earlier that day,
2003
01:32:53,168 --> 01:32:56,037
or two months earlier, and
we're really not sure of that.
2004
01:32:56,038 --> 01:32:57,571
There's not a very
good likelihood
2005
01:32:57,572 --> 01:32:59,473
that that judge is gonna
sign that search warrant.
2006
01:32:59,474 --> 01:33:02,009
They may, they don't like him.
2007
01:33:02,010 --> 01:33:03,310
They don't like the individual,
2008
01:33:03,311 --> 01:33:04,812
or they got something
against the individual,
2009
01:33:04,813 --> 01:33:09,016
or somebody told 'em, I
need you to pin this guy.
2010
01:33:09,017 --> 01:33:11,853
And no witness to the
Tupac Shakur fight at the MGM
2011
01:33:11,854 --> 01:33:14,221
said anything about
Tupac saying anything,
2012
01:33:14,222 --> 01:33:16,724
especially the line
are you from the south.
2013
01:33:16,725 --> 01:33:19,827
Cops do it all the time.
2014
01:33:19,828 --> 01:33:22,329
That was intentionally
added to the search warrant
2015
01:33:22,330 --> 01:33:24,932
to give it a flavor
of contradiction,
2016
01:33:24,933 --> 01:33:28,670
and to identify the south
with the Southside Crips.
2017
01:33:28,671 --> 01:33:31,739
And this was to make it
appear gang-motivated.
2018
01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:33,775
When a judge signs
a search warrant,
2019
01:33:33,776 --> 01:33:36,443
that judge is
absolutely relying upon
2020
01:33:36,444 --> 01:33:38,479
the representations
made in the affidavit.
2021
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,848
And the affidavit
has to be under oath.
2022
01:33:40,849 --> 01:33:42,917
It's important
to understand that
2023
01:33:42,918 --> 01:33:45,953
this kind of a false
narrative emphasizes
2024
01:33:45,954 --> 01:33:47,689
the fact that there was a fight,
2025
01:33:47,690 --> 01:33:51,225
and it made it Tupac
versus the Southside Crips.
2026
01:33:51,226 --> 01:33:53,695
So it set up the big fight.
2027
01:33:53,696 --> 01:33:56,263
The judge is relying upon the
2028
01:33:56,264 --> 01:33:59,466
veracity and truthfulness
of that police officer.
2029
01:33:59,467 --> 01:34:00,968
The statements
made by Tim Brennan
2030
01:34:00,969 --> 01:34:02,436
were not simply academic.
2031
01:34:02,437 --> 01:34:04,739
They were actually made
for an intended purpose
2032
01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:07,608
and for a reason that that
judge would have to buy later.
2033
01:34:07,609 --> 01:34:11,078
And there are times,
and I was a judge myself,
2034
01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:15,049
where you get the call at
2:30, 3:00 in the morning,
2035
01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:18,185
from the drug
enforcement officers,
2036
01:34:18,186 --> 01:34:19,954
that they want to
come to your house
2037
01:34:19,955 --> 01:34:21,488
and have you sign
a search warrant.
2038
01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:23,390
It's like, when we
serve the search warrant
2039
01:34:23,391 --> 01:34:28,195
on my undercover operation,
the affidavit was this thick.
2040
01:34:28,196 --> 01:34:30,197
The affidavit says
that somebody got out
2041
01:34:30,198 --> 01:34:32,934
of the car and
started talking shit.
2042
01:34:32,935 --> 01:34:34,201
Well, that didn't happen.
2043
01:34:34,202 --> 01:34:35,870
No witness ever said
that that happened.
2044
01:34:35,871 --> 01:34:37,604
And if you really go
back to think about
2045
01:34:37,605 --> 01:34:39,774
the amount of work that
that would've involved,
2046
01:34:39,775 --> 01:34:41,642
it asks a whole
lot more questions.
2047
01:34:41,643 --> 01:34:44,111
And you gotta make
darn sure, as a judge,
2048
01:34:44,112 --> 01:34:47,048
that you're attentive,
you're attuned to
2049
01:34:47,049 --> 01:34:49,817
what they're doing, and
you have some clarity.
2050
01:34:49,818 --> 01:34:52,586
Well, if all your
facts are based upon
2051
01:34:52,587 --> 01:34:56,090
the opinion or assumptions
of other individuals
2052
01:34:56,091 --> 01:35:00,461
and you have no confirmation
of that by other witnesses,
2053
01:35:00,462 --> 01:35:02,496
then you're going to go
back and you're going to
2054
01:35:02,497 --> 01:35:04,365
put your affidavit
together, and you say,
2055
01:35:04,366 --> 01:35:08,836
I am swearing to these
truths that were given to me.
2056
01:35:08,837 --> 01:35:10,972
And these truths
may not be truth.
2057
01:35:10,973 --> 01:35:12,907
They're only opinions
and assumptions.
2058
01:35:12,908 --> 01:35:14,375
For example, if someone got out
2059
01:35:14,376 --> 01:35:16,610
of the passenger side of
a stopped car and walked
2060
01:35:16,611 --> 01:35:19,013
all the way around the
front of that car or around
2061
01:35:19,014 --> 01:35:22,083
the back of that car talking
shit and holding a gun,
2062
01:35:22,084 --> 01:35:24,819
that the bodyguards would
have reacted to that.
2063
01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:26,353
But it didn't happen.
2064
01:35:26,354 --> 01:35:29,423
So, the detective that
is getting the information
2065
01:35:29,424 --> 01:35:31,827
must be able to confirm or to
2066
01:35:34,096 --> 01:35:38,266
have other evidentiary value
to verify them as truths.
2067
01:35:40,068 --> 01:35:42,870
In my era,
if I was caught lying,
2068
01:35:42,871 --> 01:35:44,305
it would have been
the end of my career.
2069
01:35:44,306 --> 01:35:45,840
I would have been fired.
2070
01:35:45,841 --> 01:35:48,009
They wouldn't have whitewashed
it, they would have fired me.
2071
01:35:48,010 --> 01:35:50,711
Each one of the statements
made in Tim Brennan's affidavit
2072
01:35:50,712 --> 01:35:54,048
that were incorrect were
not made accidentally.
2073
01:35:54,049 --> 01:35:56,417
They were made intentionally.
2074
01:35:56,418 --> 01:35:58,786
And the reason that they
were made intentionally
2075
01:35:58,787 --> 01:36:02,423
was to alter the meaning
of the search warrant.
2076
01:36:02,424 --> 01:36:04,125
They alter the statement.
2077
01:36:04,126 --> 01:36:06,427
It wasn't are you
from the south.
2078
01:36:06,428 --> 01:36:08,429
Tupac said nothing like that.
2079
01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:11,632
But if you alter it, and you
say, are you from the south,
2080
01:36:11,633 --> 01:36:13,567
that's not just
a simple mistake.
2081
01:36:13,568 --> 01:36:16,737
That makes it personal,
it makes it argumentative,
2082
01:36:16,738 --> 01:36:18,372
and it makes it actionable.
2083
01:36:18,373 --> 01:36:20,341
They can't use you anymore,
2084
01:36:20,342 --> 01:36:22,977
because you've already
lied on the record
2085
01:36:22,978 --> 01:36:25,746
and therefore, you have
no credibility anymore,
2086
01:36:25,747 --> 01:36:27,214
so therefore they can't use you.
2087
01:36:27,215 --> 01:36:30,217
And it got to the point where
Compton had to do something.
2088
01:36:30,218 --> 01:36:31,518
It began before dawn.
2089
01:36:31,519 --> 01:36:33,787
The crime sweep
involved 300 officers,
2090
01:36:33,788 --> 01:36:35,923
10 agencies, including the FBI,
2091
01:36:35,924 --> 01:36:38,993
at more than 37
locations in the Compton,
2092
01:36:38,994 --> 01:36:40,761
Lynwood, and Long Beach areas.
2093
01:36:40,762 --> 01:36:41,996
Based on the affidavit and
2094
01:36:41,997 --> 01:36:43,464
the search warrant
of Tim Brennan,
2095
01:36:43,465 --> 01:36:45,732
they go ahead and they
do this big gang sweep.
2096
01:36:45,733 --> 01:36:47,301
Well starting out the day,
2097
01:36:47,302 --> 01:36:48,535
he chased me into a house,
2098
01:36:48,536 --> 01:36:50,637
and we recovered some
guns out of that house.
2099
01:36:50,638 --> 01:36:53,140
Looking all over Compton
for Orlando Anderson.
2100
01:36:53,141 --> 01:36:54,741
But who finds him?
2101
01:36:54,742 --> 01:36:56,043
Tim Brennan.
2102
01:36:56,044 --> 01:36:57,912
So they haul
Orlando Anderson in,
2103
01:36:57,913 --> 01:37:00,381
and Vegas police ask him
a bunch of questions.
2104
01:37:00,382 --> 01:37:02,183
And what do the Vegas police do?
2105
01:37:02,184 --> 01:37:04,051
They walk away.
2106
01:37:04,052 --> 01:37:05,719
I just don't see the interest.
2107
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,922
And Tim Brennan and the
Compton PD can't figure out
2108
01:37:07,923 --> 01:37:09,290
what the heck's going on.
2109
01:37:09,291 --> 01:37:11,658
We're giving it to you
on a silver platter,
2110
01:37:11,659 --> 01:37:13,727
and you're just not buying it.
2111
01:37:13,728 --> 01:37:15,362
I've heard
Manning before say that
2112
01:37:15,363 --> 01:37:17,364
while we treat it
like any other case,
2113
01:37:17,365 --> 01:37:20,067
that they haven't got any
special treatment because,
2114
01:37:20,068 --> 01:37:23,104
he is a celebrity, but I
don't know if I buy all that.
2115
01:37:23,105 --> 01:37:25,039
There was an arrest made
2116
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,840
for the murder of Tupac Shakur.
2117
01:37:26,841 --> 01:37:29,944
It was done by Tim Brennan
to Orlando Anderson.
2118
01:37:29,945 --> 01:37:32,213
Yeah, I know the
people they need to talk to.
2119
01:37:32,214 --> 01:37:33,714
The, to solve it.
2120
01:37:33,715 --> 01:37:35,282
So suddenly the rhetoric starts.
2121
01:37:35,283 --> 01:37:38,019
Now Las Vegas is incompetent.
2122
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:40,187
Brent Becker's incompetent.
2123
01:37:40,188 --> 01:37:42,289
Kevin Manning's incompetent.
2124
01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:44,025
Everybody's incompetent.
2125
01:37:44,026 --> 01:37:45,893
The bullshit
that everybody says,
2126
01:37:45,894 --> 01:37:47,428
that we didn't do anything.
2127
01:37:47,429 --> 01:37:49,396
They're so far out in left
field, they're ridiculous.
2128
01:37:49,397 --> 01:37:52,366
You know and they,
and then that's that.
2129
01:37:52,367 --> 01:37:55,502
I've had some problems
between Las Vegas and me,
2130
01:37:55,503 --> 01:37:57,771
'cause they don't, you
know, like what I've said.
2131
01:37:57,772 --> 01:38:01,876
But you know, I speak the truth.
2132
01:38:03,111 --> 01:38:05,012
In the Tim Brennan
search warrant,
2133
01:38:05,013 --> 01:38:07,548
there's mention of several
gang members involved,
2134
01:38:07,549 --> 01:38:09,416
and one of those
gang members involved
2135
01:38:09,417 --> 01:38:11,652
is a gang member by the
name of Danny Patton,
2136
01:38:11,653 --> 01:38:14,088
who also goes by the
nickname of White Boy.
2137
01:38:14,089 --> 01:38:16,890
During the service and the
execution of this search warrant,
2138
01:38:16,891 --> 01:38:19,593
many, many houses and
residences that were involved
2139
01:38:19,594 --> 01:38:21,662
with these gang
members were searched,
2140
01:38:21,663 --> 01:38:24,665
with the notable
exception of one.
2141
01:38:24,666 --> 01:38:27,935
And that was Danny
Patton, AKA White Boy.
2142
01:38:27,936 --> 01:38:29,570
It reminds me of
the old statement,
2143
01:38:29,571 --> 01:38:32,373
don't ask a question you don't
already know the answer to.
2144
01:38:32,374 --> 01:38:33,640
There are a lot of things
2145
01:38:33,641 --> 01:38:36,710
that no one else knows about.
2146
01:38:36,711 --> 01:38:38,112
The Vegas police department
2147
01:38:38,113 --> 01:38:39,947
knew exactly what was going on.
2148
01:38:39,948 --> 01:38:42,649
It stunk to high heaven and
they didn't want any part of it.
2149
01:38:42,650 --> 01:38:45,186
On the way out, Orlando
Anderson says to Brent Becker,
2150
01:38:45,187 --> 01:38:46,853
are you going to arrest me?
2151
01:38:46,854 --> 01:38:49,490
Brent Becker says,
arrest you for what?
2152
01:38:49,491 --> 01:38:52,159
Do I think we know who did it?
2153
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:53,627
Yeah.
2154
01:38:53,628 --> 01:38:55,696
And the further and harder
that Compton pushed the matter,
2155
01:38:55,697 --> 01:38:58,632
the further the Vegas police
backed away, and the further
2156
01:38:58,633 --> 01:39:01,935
that they didn't want
anything to do with it.
2157
01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:05,306
Right off the bat,
we're wanting to talk to
2158
01:39:05,307 --> 01:39:08,909
the guy that's in the car with
Tupac Shakur, Suge Knight.
2159
01:39:08,910 --> 01:39:11,178
And we're working
right away with that.
2160
01:39:11,179 --> 01:39:12,679
In fact, the night
of the shooting
2161
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,149
we tried to talk to
him but were refused
2162
01:39:15,150 --> 01:39:19,254
access to him by members
of Death Row, attorneys.
2163
01:39:21,756 --> 01:39:24,458
And in fact it
took three days to
2164
01:39:24,459 --> 01:39:27,161
get to talk to Suge Knight.
2165
01:39:27,162 --> 01:39:29,096
And here's where
David Kenner comes into play.
2166
01:39:29,097 --> 01:39:31,265
David Kenner was a
former prosecutor
2167
01:39:31,266 --> 01:39:33,667
that suddenly for
whatever reason decided
2168
01:39:33,668 --> 01:39:35,636
he wanted to start
defending criminals,
2169
01:39:35,637 --> 01:39:36,970
and he became a
defense attorney.
2170
01:39:36,971 --> 01:39:39,106
He was a very good
defense attorney.
2171
01:39:39,107 --> 01:39:40,674
And we kept getting
the run-around,
2172
01:39:40,675 --> 01:39:43,144
yeah, yeah, we'll get
you in touch with him,
2173
01:39:43,145 --> 01:39:46,047
yes, we'll do this,
yes, we'll do that.
2174
01:39:46,048 --> 01:39:48,449
Who was giving
you the run-around?
2175
01:39:48,450 --> 01:39:50,151
David Kenner's office.
2176
01:39:50,152 --> 01:39:52,786
He was actually an
umbrella that covered
2177
01:39:52,787 --> 01:39:54,555
a lot of the legal
shenanigans that were going on
2178
01:39:54,556 --> 01:39:56,090
at Death Row Records.
2179
01:39:56,091 --> 01:39:59,826
But understand that any
shit can change tomorrow.
2180
01:39:59,827 --> 01:40:02,163
Compton PD had one
more shot at trying to
2181
01:40:02,164 --> 01:40:05,266
ruin Suge Knight, and that
happened in the courtroom.
2182
01:40:05,267 --> 01:40:07,901
They was able to
pull, they scheme,
2183
01:40:07,902 --> 01:40:10,971
and they ideas all about
me being in prison.
2184
01:40:10,972 --> 01:40:15,076
He had so many
people shook on these streets,
2185
01:40:15,077 --> 01:40:19,713
that yo, motherfuckers can't
wait 'til he's just gone.
2186
01:40:19,714 --> 01:40:24,418
For good, so they can fully
breathe a sigh of relief.
2187
01:40:24,419 --> 01:40:27,454
Because it's two
things that I always say,
2188
01:40:27,455 --> 01:40:29,656
being from the ghetto,
either they're gonna
2189
01:40:29,657 --> 01:40:33,760
take the money from
you, which you be OJ.
2190
01:40:33,761 --> 01:40:35,496
And if they can't take
the money from you,
2191
01:40:35,497 --> 01:40:36,963
they take you from the money.
2192
01:40:36,964 --> 01:40:39,233
It's y'all motherfuckers
that's scared of him.
2193
01:40:39,234 --> 01:40:42,336
Only way to take
you from the money is
2194
01:40:42,337 --> 01:40:45,240
while you die,
death, or in prison.
2195
01:40:46,374 --> 01:40:47,841
Yo, motherfuckers can't wait
2196
01:40:47,842 --> 01:40:50,411
'til he's just gone, for good,
2197
01:40:50,412 --> 01:40:54,681
so they can fully
breathe a sigh of relief.
2198
01:40:54,682 --> 01:40:56,650
I mean, I feel like
they're not gonna rest
2199
01:40:56,651 --> 01:41:00,621
until Suge Knight
is dead or in jail.
2200
01:41:00,622 --> 01:41:02,856
Tupac Shakur and Suge Knight
2201
01:41:02,857 --> 01:41:04,592
were kicking Orlando.
2202
01:41:06,528 --> 01:41:09,363
I seen him standing
right there helping me.
2203
01:41:09,364 --> 01:41:10,664
He was about the only one.
2204
01:41:10,665 --> 01:41:12,566
He made the comment that Tupac
2205
01:41:12,567 --> 01:41:14,468
and Knight beat
him up pretty good.
2206
01:41:14,469 --> 01:41:15,836
And with that, Suge Knight
2207
01:41:15,837 --> 01:41:19,373
is sentenced to nine
years in prison.
2208
01:41:24,146 --> 01:41:26,180
So if the Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department
2209
01:41:26,181 --> 01:41:29,316
weren't interested in Orlando
Anderson as a suspect,
2210
01:41:29,317 --> 01:41:31,285
who were they interested in?
2211
01:41:31,286 --> 01:41:34,388
I think the answer to that
question comes in the form
2212
01:41:34,389 --> 01:41:36,990
of logs and notes that were made
2213
01:41:36,991 --> 01:41:40,394
by a police officer on the
Los Angeles Police Department
2214
01:41:40,395 --> 01:41:42,529
involving certain
incidents that happened
2215
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:45,399
at Death Row's Can-Am Studios.
2216
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:48,068
That officer's name was Knox.
2217
01:41:48,069 --> 01:41:50,137
You're right that Knox
is probably the most
2218
01:41:50,138 --> 01:41:52,306
underrepresented
character in this story,
2219
01:41:52,307 --> 01:41:54,641
because he was the very first
guy to get on the fact that
2220
01:41:54,642 --> 01:41:56,677
there were all these cops
working for Death Row Records.
2221
01:41:56,678 --> 01:42:00,046
I can remember talking
to Sergio Robledo,
2222
01:42:00,047 --> 01:42:03,284
when they were trying to
get, you know, subpoena Knox,
2223
01:42:03,285 --> 01:42:05,352
to, and he said, you
know, he's disappeared,
2224
01:42:05,353 --> 01:42:08,822
I mean, the cops have given
him a leave of absence,
2225
01:42:08,823 --> 01:42:10,023
he's left the country,
2226
01:42:10,024 --> 01:42:11,858
we've staked out his
house, he's never home,
2227
01:42:11,859 --> 01:42:14,195
he hasn't been home in
we don't know how long.
2228
01:42:14,196 --> 01:42:17,698
I mean, we cannot get
him, the guy we most want.
2229
01:42:17,699 --> 01:42:20,133
And we cannot locate him.
2230
01:42:20,134 --> 01:42:22,035
He sort of stumbled into it.
2231
01:42:22,036 --> 01:42:23,970
He was the senior lead officer,
2232
01:42:23,971 --> 01:42:26,607
which is, it's an
elite position,
2233
01:42:26,608 --> 01:42:29,476
and there's just one
at every LAPD station.
2234
01:42:29,477 --> 01:42:32,779
He was responding to citizen
complaints about activity
2235
01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:34,848
at Death Row's studios.
2236
01:42:34,849 --> 01:42:36,783
People were upset that
these gang bangers were
2237
01:42:36,784 --> 01:42:39,586
parking in their driveways,
and if they questioned them,
2238
01:42:39,587 --> 01:42:41,322
you know, they were being
threatened with guns,
2239
01:42:41,323 --> 01:42:43,790
and that kind of thing,
so he decided he should
2240
01:42:43,791 --> 01:42:46,960
visit the studio, and
the first day he arrives,
2241
01:42:46,961 --> 01:42:49,129
he sees a back and
forth with this guy
2242
01:42:49,130 --> 01:42:51,232
who turns out to be
Ramsey Lewis' son,
2243
01:42:51,233 --> 01:42:54,000
and turns into one of
the best informants
2244
01:42:54,001 --> 01:42:56,537
about what was going on
at Death Row Records.
2245
01:42:56,538 --> 01:42:58,472
What Kendrick Knox
observed may have actually
2246
01:42:58,473 --> 01:43:01,875
driven Las Vegas in the direction
of their investigation.
2247
01:43:01,876 --> 01:43:03,377
And the guy says,
well, you know,
2248
01:43:03,378 --> 01:43:06,747
one of the people who sits
here is one of your own guys.
2249
01:43:06,748 --> 01:43:07,948
What?
2250
01:43:07,949 --> 01:43:11,285
And so, he follows that
up, that's McCauley,
2251
01:43:11,286 --> 01:43:15,489
but he's finding out that
there are a number of other
2252
01:43:15,490 --> 01:43:18,024
LAPD officers working
for Death Row Records,
2253
01:43:18,025 --> 01:43:20,894
and there are higher ups
that already know it.
2254
01:43:20,895 --> 01:43:23,897
It's already been, he
goes to his superior,
2255
01:43:23,898 --> 01:43:25,632
who says, yeah, we know that.
2256
01:43:25,633 --> 01:43:27,701
But that's not gonna
be in any reports,
2257
01:43:27,702 --> 01:43:31,137
and, you know, you're
not gonna, you know,
2258
01:43:31,138 --> 01:43:32,739
make anything public about that.
2259
01:43:32,740 --> 01:43:35,208
So Knox is pushed back
a step, but he still
2260
01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:36,843
is continuing with
his investigation,
2261
01:43:36,844 --> 01:43:38,945
'cause he's got all
these leads that are,
2262
01:43:38,946 --> 01:43:41,047
you know, he's getting
into the Tupac case,
2263
01:43:41,048 --> 01:43:42,816
he's getting into
the Biggie case.
2264
01:43:42,817 --> 01:43:44,818
He's getting evidence
that there are cops,
2265
01:43:44,819 --> 01:43:49,623
you know, there were lots of
cops, including LAPD present,
2266
01:43:49,624 --> 01:43:54,295
in Las Vegas and even on the
scene when Tupac was killed.
2267
01:43:54,296 --> 01:43:57,831
The implication that they were,
you know, helping set it up.
2268
01:43:57,832 --> 01:43:59,933
The reason that you've
never heard of Ken Knox
2269
01:43:59,934 --> 01:44:02,669
were because the minute that
Ken Knox turned in his reports
2270
01:44:02,670 --> 01:44:05,406
the LAPD understood the
value of those reports,
2271
01:44:05,407 --> 01:44:07,107
and how damaging they might be,
2272
01:44:07,108 --> 01:44:09,476
and those reports
just disappeared.
2273
01:44:09,477 --> 01:44:11,912
Well that was when he
really knew this is serious.
2274
01:44:11,913 --> 01:44:14,515
He did, he took a
vacation, I think it was.
2275
01:44:14,516 --> 01:44:17,951
And when he came back, he
found that his computer
2276
01:44:17,952 --> 01:44:20,887
had been completely
erased, I mean, everything.
2277
01:44:20,888 --> 01:44:22,055
It was blank.
2278
01:44:22,056 --> 01:44:23,457
They shut him down, basically.
2279
01:44:23,458 --> 01:44:26,627
They got him alone in a
room and threatened him,
2280
01:44:26,628 --> 01:44:28,395
and told him his
career was over.
2281
01:44:28,396 --> 01:44:32,633
The one thing he did do was
pass it on to Russ Poole.
2282
01:44:32,634 --> 01:44:35,268
When I talked to him,
it was clear, you know,
2283
01:44:35,269 --> 01:44:37,838
he'd made his, basically
I've made my decision,
2284
01:44:37,839 --> 01:44:40,006
I've decided to save
myself, it's not worth,
2285
01:44:40,007 --> 01:44:41,908
you know, throwing
my own life away,
2286
01:44:41,909 --> 01:44:44,411
and hurting my family for what,
2287
01:44:44,412 --> 01:44:47,648
to make cases against
these gang bangers?
2288
01:44:47,649 --> 01:44:49,916
One other reason that
the Tim Brennan affidavit
2289
01:44:49,917 --> 01:44:52,953
tended to gain traction
was because Tim Brennan
2290
01:44:52,954 --> 01:44:55,356
falsely characterized a
series of gang shootings
2291
01:44:55,357 --> 01:44:58,191
that happened as a war
that was in retaliation
2292
01:44:58,192 --> 01:44:59,926
for the shooting
of Tupac Shakur.
2293
01:44:59,927 --> 01:45:02,429
Our investigation revealed
that some of the motivation
2294
01:45:02,430 --> 01:45:05,165
for the shootings that
occurred in Compton may be
2295
01:45:05,166 --> 01:45:08,935
in retaliation for the events
that transpired in Las Vegas.
2296
01:45:08,936 --> 01:45:10,704
And in fact, it was stated later
2297
01:45:10,705 --> 01:45:13,507
that the shootings had nothing
to do with the gang war.
2298
01:45:13,508 --> 01:45:15,041
It's no secret
that the Crips and
2299
01:45:15,042 --> 01:45:16,710
the Bloods were
hanging out together,
2300
01:45:16,711 --> 01:45:18,912
and were recording
at Death Row Records.
2301
01:45:18,913 --> 01:45:21,882
But what made it interesting
was on the eve of Tim Brennan
2302
01:45:21,883 --> 01:45:24,585
telling everybody that
there was a gang war,
2303
01:45:24,586 --> 01:45:27,454
10 Los Angeles police
officers showed up
2304
01:45:27,455 --> 01:45:30,457
at Can-Am Studios
to basically hoist
2305
01:45:30,458 --> 01:45:33,460
a bunch of gang guys
out of the studio.
2306
01:45:33,461 --> 01:45:36,363
What they found was that
Bloods were working with Crips
2307
01:45:36,364 --> 01:45:38,532
at the studio,
which was no secret.
2308
01:45:38,533 --> 01:45:40,901
But that the Crips
were East Coast Crips
2309
01:45:40,902 --> 01:45:42,736
that came from New Jersey.
2310
01:45:42,737 --> 01:45:45,972
West Coast Bloods working
with East Coast Crips.
2311
01:45:45,973 --> 01:45:48,475
Not much of a gang war there.
2312
01:45:48,476 --> 01:45:52,546
But even more importantly,
if the term East Coast Crips
2313
01:45:52,547 --> 01:45:56,950
and Crips coming from New
Jersey, sound familiar,
2314
01:45:56,951 --> 01:45:58,785
it may be because of something
2315
01:45:58,786 --> 01:46:00,721
that happened just
shortly after that.
2316
01:46:05,126 --> 01:46:06,727
It was a criminal organization.
2317
01:46:06,728 --> 01:46:11,297
It'd be like officers working
for the Gambino family.
2318
01:46:11,298 --> 01:46:15,470
Yafeu Fula was a name that a
lot of people have thrown back
2319
01:46:16,938 --> 01:46:20,273
in our faces, that we were
derelict in doing things.
2320
01:46:20,274 --> 01:46:24,745
Yafeu Fula was interviewed
the night of the shooting.
2321
01:46:24,746 --> 01:46:27,914
Yafeu Fula gave a statement.
2322
01:46:27,915 --> 01:46:30,884
People say we never
interviewed him.
2323
01:46:30,885 --> 01:46:32,454
He was interviewed.
2324
01:46:33,788 --> 01:46:37,691
And the big thing is
everybody says that he said
2325
01:46:37,692 --> 01:46:39,760
he could identify the shooter.
2326
01:46:39,761 --> 01:46:41,028
No, he did not.
2327
01:46:42,564 --> 01:46:44,632
He never said that to us.
2328
01:46:46,333 --> 01:46:50,303
He said he might be able
to identify the driver.
2329
01:46:50,304 --> 01:46:52,073
That is what he said.
2330
01:46:54,041 --> 01:46:58,178
And we tried to reach out
to re-interview Yafeu Fula,
2331
01:46:58,179 --> 01:47:01,915
well, next thing you know,
we're getting notification
2332
01:47:01,916 --> 01:47:03,917
from, I think it's in
Orange, New Jersey,
2333
01:47:03,918 --> 01:47:06,653
if I remember right,
that he's been murdered
2334
01:47:06,654 --> 01:47:10,825
in a housing project or something
like that over some drugs.
2335
01:47:12,093 --> 01:47:14,995
The problem was, this
is a big country.
2336
01:47:14,996 --> 01:47:16,863
People go wherever, you know.
2337
01:47:16,864 --> 01:47:18,832
We don't have tracking
devices on them.
2338
01:47:18,833 --> 01:47:21,635
So we have to depend
on people we know
2339
01:47:21,636 --> 01:47:25,238
we can get in touch with to
try and reach out to 'em.
2340
01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:28,374
Immediately after the Yafeu
Fula shooting takes place,
2341
01:47:28,375 --> 01:47:30,210
Compton police and
Las Vegas police
2342
01:47:30,211 --> 01:47:32,278
make it known publicly
that the shooting
2343
01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:35,882
has absolutely nothing to do
with the death of Tupac Shakur.
2344
01:47:35,883 --> 01:47:38,819
But that's not exactly
true, because the FBI
2345
01:47:38,820 --> 01:47:41,855
went back several years later
and interviewed the New Jersey
2346
01:47:41,856 --> 01:47:44,591
detectives that worked
the Yafeu Fula shooting,
2347
01:47:44,592 --> 01:47:47,561
and they said that the
Yafeu Fula shooting
2348
01:47:47,562 --> 01:47:51,633
was done execution-style
in the style of the mob.
2349
01:47:54,569 --> 01:47:56,269
The Compton police
and Death Row Records
2350
01:47:56,270 --> 01:47:57,504
had two big problems.
2351
01:47:57,505 --> 01:47:58,939
Number one, they
still weren't able
2352
01:47:58,940 --> 01:48:00,974
to convince the Vegas
police that Orlando Anderson
2353
01:48:00,975 --> 01:48:02,609
had anything to do
with the murder,
2354
01:48:02,610 --> 01:48:05,946
and Reggie Wright was having
trouble trying to convince
2355
01:48:05,947 --> 01:48:09,182
Frank Alexander to go back
and repeat the same lie
2356
01:48:09,183 --> 01:48:12,719
that he had told Vegas police
earlier in the investigation
2357
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,722
about the chain snatch
that occurred that day.
2358
01:48:15,723 --> 01:48:17,924
We were supposed
to went down to Vegas,
2359
01:48:17,925 --> 01:48:20,794
me, you, and Malcolm,
and correct the statement
2360
01:48:20,795 --> 01:48:23,797
that you gave about the
chain and all of that.
2361
01:48:23,798 --> 01:48:26,332
You know, with the
additional information.
2362
01:48:26,333 --> 01:48:28,969
The LAPD had just come out
of the Christopher Commission,
2363
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:31,037
which was started by the
Rodney King beatings.
2364
01:48:31,038 --> 01:48:33,840
And it had everything to
do with police misconduct.
2365
01:48:33,841 --> 01:48:35,942
So police misconduct
was nothing new
2366
01:48:35,943 --> 01:48:37,578
to the Los Angeles
Police Department.
2367
01:48:37,579 --> 01:48:39,813
But to also have
it involving gangs,
2368
01:48:39,814 --> 01:48:41,815
and having it involve an agency
2369
01:48:41,816 --> 01:48:44,084
that's dealing in
drugs like Death Row
2370
01:48:44,085 --> 01:48:46,620
would have made a serious
black eye for the LAPD.
2371
01:48:46,621 --> 01:48:49,923
The LAPD was, it was
basically in cover-up mode.
2372
01:48:49,924 --> 01:48:51,357
You know, self-protection.
2373
01:48:51,358 --> 01:48:54,761
Kevin Gaines was in Las Vegas
from two days prior to the
2374
01:48:54,762 --> 01:48:58,632
shooting of Shakur until two
days after the death of Shakur.
2375
01:48:58,633 --> 01:49:00,200
So what are we gonna do?
2376
01:49:00,201 --> 01:49:02,869
We're gonna galvanize this
into the public mindset.
2377
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:04,504
We're gonna make sure they don't
2378
01:49:04,505 --> 01:49:06,072
forget the South Side Crips.
2379
01:49:06,073 --> 01:49:09,042
We're gonna make sure they
don't forget Orlando Anderson.
2380
01:49:09,043 --> 01:49:10,977
We're gonna make sure they
don't forget this is an
2381
01:49:10,978 --> 01:49:13,213
East Coast/West Coast problem.
2382
01:49:13,214 --> 01:49:15,716
And we're gonna do
it in such a way
2383
01:49:15,717 --> 01:49:17,618
that it's big and outrageous,
2384
01:49:17,619 --> 01:49:19,085
and you will never forget it.
2385
01:49:21,989 --> 01:49:23,289
Fire department, go ahead.
2386
01:49:23,290 --> 01:49:24,658
We on Fairfax and Wilshire.
2387
01:49:24,659 --> 01:49:25,892
What's wrong?
2388
01:49:25,893 --> 01:49:27,694
We're a man shot
in our car right now.
2389
01:49:27,695 --> 01:49:29,663
Okay, they drove up
next to us and shot at
2390
01:49:29,664 --> 01:49:31,364
the car in the passenger side.
2391
01:49:31,365 --> 01:49:33,299
Okay,
somebody's already on the way.
2392
01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:34,801
Man, can you hear me baby?
2393
01:49:34,802 --> 01:49:36,837
I'm standing outside
of the Peterson Auto Museum,
2394
01:49:36,838 --> 01:49:39,205
the site of the
Wallace killings.
2395
01:49:39,206 --> 01:49:41,374
And you know, they did it.
2396
01:49:41,375 --> 01:49:43,710
Christopher Wallace murder
and the corresponding blame
2397
01:49:43,711 --> 01:49:45,779
placed on Suge Knight
as retaliation for
2398
01:49:45,780 --> 01:49:49,115
the Orlando Anderson shooting
moved light years towards
2399
01:49:49,116 --> 01:49:52,418
legitimizing the cover story
cooked up in September of '96.
2400
01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:55,321
But, in a missed move, the
Los Angeles Police Department
2401
01:49:55,322 --> 01:49:58,591
allowed a rogue, felon
ex-cop to tell his cell-mate
2402
01:49:58,592 --> 01:50:02,362
the details of how the Wallace
killing actually went down.
2403
01:50:02,363 --> 01:50:04,665
The LAPD tried to hide
this inmate's testimony,
2404
01:50:04,666 --> 01:50:06,933
because they had used
the same informant's
2405
01:50:06,934 --> 01:50:11,337
alleged credibility to exonerate
at least five LAPD officers
2406
01:50:11,338 --> 01:50:14,908
and they knew he was not just
another jailhouse informant.
2407
01:50:14,909 --> 01:50:17,844
What you're about to hear
was worth 1.1 million dollars
2408
01:50:17,845 --> 01:50:20,681
to the LAPD to hide
from the Wallace family.
2409
01:50:20,682 --> 01:50:22,582
That's what the
judge fined the city
2410
01:50:22,583 --> 01:50:25,085
for not letting this
go out to the public.
2411
01:50:25,086 --> 01:50:27,353
This is what they did
not want you to hear,
2412
01:50:27,354 --> 01:50:29,255
served up by the
very witness whose
2413
01:50:29,256 --> 01:50:31,858
testimony cleared five cops.
2414
01:50:31,859 --> 01:50:34,227
My name is Kenneth Boagni.
2415
01:50:34,228 --> 01:50:37,999
And I was in Lynwood
County Regional Facility
2416
01:50:38,933 --> 01:50:41,602
from November 1999 to July 2000.
2417
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,376
There I befriended Raphael
Perez, the LAPD officer
2418
01:50:50,377 --> 01:50:53,213
who was in the center
of the Rampart scandal.
2419
01:50:53,214 --> 01:50:54,414
And then I could see,
2420
01:50:54,415 --> 01:50:56,182
the motive was patently obvious.
2421
01:50:56,183 --> 01:50:58,618
He'd done things that
were hanging over him.
2422
01:50:58,619 --> 01:51:00,453
He could have gone to prison
for the rest of his life.
2423
01:51:00,454 --> 01:51:04,157
He could make a deal to
get out from under that.
2424
01:51:04,158 --> 01:51:07,393
And, but then, he
could also get revenge
2425
01:51:07,394 --> 01:51:11,031
on anybody who had ever
offended him in any way.
2426
01:51:11,032 --> 01:51:12,532
Raphael Perez never mentioned
2427
01:51:12,533 --> 01:51:13,900
Suge Knight in name.
2428
01:51:13,901 --> 01:51:17,237
He just said David
Kenner and Reggie Wright
2429
01:51:17,238 --> 01:51:21,007
told him that that Mack was
there when Ronnie got beaten up.
2430
01:51:21,008 --> 01:51:25,211
It was a million dollars
for Puffy and Notorious BIG.
2431
01:51:25,212 --> 01:51:29,115
I cheated on my employer,
and I cheated on all of you,
2432
01:51:29,116 --> 01:51:30,516
the people of Los Angeles.
2433
01:51:30,517 --> 01:51:32,152
From what I was told,
2434
01:51:32,153 --> 01:51:36,323
it was, gave him almost
250 grand, which, up front,
2435
01:51:38,425 --> 01:51:41,929
and he owed him 750
grand on the back end.
2436
01:51:42,964 --> 01:51:45,866
Completely hidden Boagni from,
2437
01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:49,602
so clearly the LAPD took
it at least that seriously,
2438
01:51:49,603 --> 01:51:52,272
that they would hide
all mention of Boagni.
2439
01:51:52,273 --> 01:51:55,608
The real break in the case
2440
01:51:55,609 --> 01:51:58,144
was the arrest of David Mack for
2441
01:51:58,145 --> 01:52:01,647
a bank robbery out
in Los Angeles.
2442
01:52:01,648 --> 01:52:03,483
David Mack was an LAPD officer.
2443
01:52:03,484 --> 01:52:05,651
He was arrested for one of
the biggest bank robberies
2444
01:52:05,652 --> 01:52:08,721
in LA history, which he was
caught on film committing.
2445
01:52:08,722 --> 01:52:11,291
It's been said publicly
that David Mack was actually
2446
01:52:11,292 --> 01:52:13,259
the introduction of the concept
2447
01:52:13,260 --> 01:52:16,496
that LAPD cops were working
for Death Row Records,
2448
01:52:16,497 --> 01:52:18,131
and were working
for Suge Knight.
2449
01:52:18,132 --> 01:52:20,133
And that's not true.
2450
01:52:20,134 --> 01:52:23,236
Because long before David
Mack ever robbed that bank,
2451
01:52:23,237 --> 01:52:26,172
Ken Knox had logs that
clearly spelled out
2452
01:52:26,173 --> 01:52:28,141
who was working for
Death Row Records
2453
01:52:28,142 --> 01:52:30,343
and those logs were published to
2454
01:52:30,344 --> 01:52:32,678
Los Angeles Police
Department's internal affairs
2455
01:52:32,679 --> 01:52:37,283
in June of 1996, even before
the Shakur shooting took place.
2456
01:52:37,284 --> 01:52:39,786
They did a
search warrant on his house
2457
01:52:39,787 --> 01:52:41,822
for the bank robbery.
2458
01:52:41,823 --> 01:52:44,024
He owned a black SS Impala,
2459
01:52:44,025 --> 01:52:45,892
and that's the same
vehicle that was used
2460
01:52:45,893 --> 01:52:48,428
in the killing of Biggie Smalls.
2461
01:52:48,429 --> 01:52:52,298
There's a number of
clues that connect
2462
01:52:52,299 --> 01:52:54,667
David Mack possibly
to the killing.
2463
01:52:54,668 --> 01:52:56,736
Perez was just
along for the ride at the time,
2464
01:52:56,737 --> 01:53:01,041
going to a Death Row
meeting with Reggie Wright.
2465
01:53:01,042 --> 01:53:04,177
He was pretty much Mack's
sidekick at this time.
2466
01:53:04,178 --> 01:53:06,346
A bigwig got Amir
to get the job done.
2467
01:53:06,347 --> 01:53:08,214
And Mack had already
knew Amir from
2468
01:53:08,215 --> 01:53:10,516
being from the nation of Islam,
2469
01:53:10,517 --> 01:53:12,385
and they went to
school together.
2470
01:53:12,386 --> 01:53:15,255
He was already in the sand,
for the nation of Islam.
2471
01:53:15,256 --> 01:53:17,590
So Amir Muhammed
comes into the story.
2472
01:53:17,591 --> 01:53:20,326
Russ Poole sees that
he's had one visitor,
2473
01:53:20,327 --> 01:53:21,895
and he identifies
who this person is,
2474
01:53:21,896 --> 01:53:24,965
but he gave, basically was
trying to cover up who he was.
2475
01:53:24,966 --> 01:53:26,867
Well, that's
suspicious, obviously.
2476
01:53:26,868 --> 01:53:29,769
And then he gets, looks
at the driver's license,
2477
01:53:29,770 --> 01:53:31,404
and sees that the
picture looks a lot like
2478
01:53:31,405 --> 01:53:35,241
the composite drawing that
was made of Biggie's shooter.
2479
01:53:35,242 --> 01:53:37,677
LA police detective Greg
Kading came out and said
2480
01:53:37,678 --> 01:53:40,613
that the reason that
Amir Muhammed put a fake
2481
01:53:40,614 --> 01:53:43,683
social security number on the
inmate visitor application
2482
01:53:43,684 --> 01:53:46,052
when he went to visit
David Mack was because
2483
01:53:46,053 --> 01:53:48,521
he did not want his
identity stolen.
2484
01:53:48,522 --> 01:53:51,057
His explanation
was that he was aware
2485
01:53:51,058 --> 01:53:53,994
that inmates and other
people would be able to view
2486
01:53:53,995 --> 01:53:57,063
or access that log, and he
didn't want his identity stolen.
2487
01:53:57,064 --> 01:54:00,200
This hardly sounds like
a professional killer.
2488
01:54:00,201 --> 01:54:02,835
And he bought that as
a culpable explanation.
2489
01:54:02,836 --> 01:54:04,337
Well the fact of the matter is,
2490
01:54:04,338 --> 01:54:06,539
if you're putting your
true date of birth,
2491
01:54:06,540 --> 01:54:09,442
and your true address,
and your true name
2492
01:54:09,443 --> 01:54:12,645
on the application, you have
more chances of identity theft
2493
01:54:12,646 --> 01:54:14,380
than just the social
security number.
2494
01:54:14,381 --> 01:54:17,183
If you're really that
concerned about your identity
2495
01:54:17,184 --> 01:54:19,852
being stolen, you should
use a fake date of birth.
2496
01:54:19,853 --> 01:54:21,387
You should use a fake address.
2497
01:54:21,388 --> 01:54:22,923
But he didn't.
2498
01:54:22,924 --> 01:54:25,125
He used true information, the
only thing that he embellished
2499
01:54:25,126 --> 01:54:26,859
was his social security number,
2500
01:54:26,860 --> 01:54:28,561
and you'd ask the question, why?
2501
01:54:28,562 --> 01:54:29,829
Well it's really simple.
2502
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:31,764
The social security
number is the only thing
2503
01:54:31,765 --> 01:54:34,834
that's not with you when
you get your ID checked.
2504
01:54:34,835 --> 01:54:37,537
Amir Muhammed in Orange
County under yet another
2505
01:54:37,538 --> 01:54:39,039
one of his assumed identities,
2506
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,307
this time he changed
himself physically,
2507
01:54:41,308 --> 01:54:42,808
he had a shaved head now.
2508
01:54:42,809 --> 01:54:45,045
Didn't look like the Muslim
with the fade haircut anymore,
2509
01:54:45,046 --> 01:54:47,880
he had a shaved
head and a beard.
2510
01:54:47,881 --> 01:54:52,552
But anyway, he had been
arrested for menacing a couple.
2511
01:54:52,553 --> 01:54:57,257
He was in an SUV menacing a
couple in an SUV with a gun.
2512
01:54:57,258 --> 01:54:59,725
He pulled out a gun,
pulled up alongside
2513
01:54:59,726 --> 01:55:02,662
and pointed the gun at
'em, threatened 'em.
2514
01:55:02,663 --> 01:55:05,298
The woman was somebody he
had been involved with,
2515
01:55:05,299 --> 01:55:07,667
so it wasn't like, this
wasn't a hit, per Se.
2516
01:55:07,668 --> 01:55:10,036
But they called the cops.
2517
01:55:10,037 --> 01:55:11,938
They pulled him over,
he had, you know,
2518
01:55:11,939 --> 01:55:13,539
he had fake driver's license.
2519
01:55:13,540 --> 01:55:15,475
He had many aliases.
2520
01:55:15,476 --> 01:55:17,743
He had, his real name
was Harry Billups.
2521
01:55:17,744 --> 01:55:19,779
He never really, I don't
think, ever legally changed it,
2522
01:55:19,780 --> 01:55:21,914
I think he still is
legally Harry Billups.
2523
01:55:21,915 --> 01:55:25,251
But he called himself
Harry Muhammed.
2524
01:55:25,252 --> 01:55:27,320
Amir Muhammed was
convicted in that case,
2525
01:55:27,321 --> 01:55:30,223
but he was convicted on, I
think that was a misdemeanor.
2526
01:55:30,224 --> 01:55:32,425
Yet initially it was a felony.
2527
01:55:32,426 --> 01:55:34,860
They pleaded it down, and he.
2528
01:55:34,861 --> 01:55:37,363
But a lot of the
reason that he got off
2529
01:55:37,364 --> 01:55:39,865
was that the couple,
who the only witnesses,
2530
01:55:39,866 --> 01:55:42,969
the week later were
found shot to death.
2531
01:55:42,970 --> 01:55:46,806
It was ruled by the
coroner a murder-suicide.
2532
01:55:46,807 --> 01:55:50,276
The whole thing
seemed dubious to me.
2533
01:55:50,277 --> 01:55:52,378
You know, I, if I'd.
2534
01:55:52,379 --> 01:55:54,981
This happened well
after I wrote LAbyrinth,
2535
01:55:54,982 --> 01:55:57,183
and I found out about
this, so I, you know,
2536
01:55:57,184 --> 01:55:58,884
I didn't follow it all the way.
2537
01:55:58,885 --> 01:56:00,620
Somebody should.
2538
01:56:00,621 --> 01:56:03,556
I told you that this
cats was coming to kill us,
2539
01:56:03,557 --> 01:56:05,425
or try to get at us that night.
2540
01:56:05,426 --> 01:56:07,293
I told you I had intel.
2541
01:56:07,294 --> 01:56:11,364
The night that
Notorious BIG was killed,
2542
01:56:11,365 --> 01:56:15,536
a LAPD officer saw Gaines
cut off both, both cars.
2543
01:56:20,474 --> 01:56:23,210
Both were, Biggie
was in the car,
2544
01:56:24,578 --> 01:56:27,413
and Sean, P Diddy
was in the car.
2545
01:56:27,414 --> 01:56:30,483
Gaines was supposed to cut
both of those guys off.
2546
01:56:30,484 --> 01:56:32,885
I told our driver, Kenny.
2547
01:56:32,886 --> 01:56:34,820
Kenny, run these
next three lights.
2548
01:56:34,821 --> 01:56:36,822
Run the light, Kenny.
2549
01:56:36,823 --> 01:56:38,324
Kenny ran the light.
2550
01:56:38,325 --> 01:56:39,825
Big stopped at the light.
2551
01:56:39,826 --> 01:56:40,993
Big gets killed.
2552
01:56:40,994 --> 01:56:42,595
Wasn't meant for him, bruh.
2553
01:56:42,596 --> 01:56:44,264
The whole job didn't get done.
2554
01:56:44,265 --> 01:56:47,600
One of the guys got away, of
course Sean Combs got away.
2555
01:56:47,601 --> 01:56:49,635
He also told me later
on that he found out
2556
01:56:49,636 --> 01:56:53,939
that Gaines was working
with Internal Affairs.
2557
01:56:53,940 --> 01:56:56,709
He couldn't tell Internal
Affairs about that.
2558
01:56:56,710 --> 01:57:00,046
But he was informing them
on a lot of other stuff.
2559
01:57:00,047 --> 01:57:02,014
So what exactly
was Kevin Gaines doing
2560
01:57:02,015 --> 01:57:05,686
out on that special
assignment in Las Vegas?
2561
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:11,391
Perez said that
was the reason he was killed.
2562
01:57:12,926 --> 01:57:14,227
No, it wasn't an accident.
2563
01:57:14,228 --> 01:57:15,561
He goes, do you
have any regrets?
2564
01:57:15,562 --> 01:57:16,862
And I says, yeah.
2565
01:57:16,863 --> 01:57:18,464
And he leans forward
again, he goes,
2566
01:57:18,465 --> 01:57:19,699
do you regret shooting him?
2567
01:57:19,700 --> 01:57:20,634
I says no, I regret
that he was alone
2568
01:57:20,635 --> 01:57:22,068
in the truck at the time.
2569
01:57:24,238 --> 01:57:25,271
Figured that one out.
2570
01:57:25,272 --> 01:57:26,739
You know, you hear that?
2571
01:57:26,740 --> 01:57:28,341
Alone in the truck at the time.
2572
01:57:28,342 --> 01:57:30,443
I could have killed a
whole truckload of them.
2573
01:57:30,444 --> 01:57:34,046
That would have been
happily doing it, doing so.
2574
01:57:34,047 --> 01:57:36,015
Derwin and his
buddy Kevin Gaines
2575
01:57:36,016 --> 01:57:38,184
were best friends
and running partners.
2576
01:57:38,185 --> 01:57:40,921
That's how Gaines
knew who I was.
2577
01:57:42,389 --> 01:57:45,691
I came through, Henderson
was a probationer of mine.
2578
01:57:45,692 --> 01:57:47,827
And I'd seen them one
night in Hollywood.
2579
01:57:47,828 --> 01:57:49,262
And remember, I had long hair,
2580
01:57:49,263 --> 01:57:51,364
driving a fucking Buick Regal,
2581
01:57:51,365 --> 01:57:53,899
and I see Henderson in
traffic and we stop,
2582
01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:55,835
I was going south,
he was going north.
2583
01:57:55,836 --> 01:57:57,503
He had another male black
in the car with him,
2584
01:57:57,504 --> 01:57:59,071
but I didn't pay
attention to that guy.
2585
01:57:59,072 --> 01:58:00,373
I was talking to Derwin.
2586
01:58:00,374 --> 01:58:01,607
We were partners,
and we were saying
2587
01:58:01,608 --> 01:58:02,908
hi to him and talking to him.
2588
01:58:02,909 --> 01:58:04,410
Turns out Gaines was with him,
2589
01:58:04,411 --> 01:58:06,011
they were running part, and
that's how Gaines knew me.
2590
01:58:06,012 --> 01:58:08,281
Reggie Wright and David Kenner
2591
01:58:08,282 --> 01:58:10,049
informed Mack and
Perez that they weren't
2592
01:58:10,050 --> 01:58:11,551
gonna pay for the
whole contract,
2593
01:58:11,552 --> 01:58:14,820
and therefore they not, they
had to do the bank robbery
2594
01:58:14,821 --> 01:58:16,856
to get the money to pay
Amir, 'cause Amir was
2595
01:58:16,857 --> 01:58:20,460
really upset about it, he
wasn't taking no for an answer.
2596
01:58:20,461 --> 01:58:21,994
You know, he wanted his money.
2597
01:58:21,995 --> 01:58:25,030
And the only recourse was for
Dave Mack and Raphael Perez
2598
01:58:25,031 --> 01:58:27,800
along with Sammy Martin
to do this bank robbery
2599
01:58:27,801 --> 01:58:29,702
to get the money to pay Amir,
2600
01:58:29,703 --> 01:58:32,104
which is the reason why
the money wasn't recovered.
2601
01:58:32,105 --> 01:58:33,606
Have you had any conversations
2602
01:58:33,607 --> 01:58:37,277
with Perez at all, either
over the phone or in person?
2603
01:58:37,278 --> 01:58:38,511
No.
2604
01:58:38,512 --> 01:58:40,146
No conversations
about what someone?
2605
01:58:40,147 --> 01:58:41,747
No.
2606
01:58:41,748 --> 01:58:43,184
How about with,
2607
01:58:45,085 --> 01:58:48,854
Sammy Martin, have you had
discussions with Sam Martin?
2608
01:58:48,855 --> 01:58:51,257
Over the phone, or.
No.
2609
01:58:51,258 --> 01:58:53,693
If a guy has all these
girlfriends or whatever, I mean,
2610
01:58:53,694 --> 01:58:57,597
I wouldn't want that
being in the paper on me,
2611
01:58:57,598 --> 01:58:59,599
you know, so what else...
2612
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,334
What's your feeling about him
2613
01:59:01,335 --> 01:59:03,636
having a girlfriend
that's a dope dealer?
2614
01:59:03,637 --> 01:59:05,438
Well I think obviously
if that's true,
2615
01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:07,173
that's, you know, there's
a problem with that.
2616
01:59:07,174 --> 01:59:08,674
Okay, what's your
feeling about him
2617
01:59:08,675 --> 01:59:11,311
stealing three kilos of
cocaine out of the streets
2618
01:59:11,312 --> 01:59:13,313
and sus-ter-mans are
out of their property?
2619
01:59:13,314 --> 01:59:14,914
Right from the get-go,
2620
01:59:14,915 --> 01:59:18,851
detectives believed somehow
Death Row Records was involved.
2621
01:59:18,852 --> 01:59:20,786
Phil Carson was
committed to this case.
2622
01:59:20,787 --> 01:59:22,588
I mean, he had made a case.
2623
01:59:22,589 --> 01:59:24,390
He was ready to make arrests.
2624
01:59:24,391 --> 01:59:26,726
He was convinced that
Mack and Muhmammed,
2625
01:59:26,727 --> 01:59:29,329
and other LAPD officers
had been involved
2626
01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:30,796
in setting up Biggie's murder.
2627
01:59:30,797 --> 01:59:32,732
I mean, he was all
the way in on 'em.
2628
01:59:32,733 --> 01:59:35,435
He was ready to file,
but his superiors,
2629
01:59:35,436 --> 01:59:37,002
you know, basically blocked him,
2630
01:59:37,003 --> 01:59:38,571
and eventually took him off it.
2631
01:59:38,572 --> 01:59:40,606
Just like Kenneth Knox.
2632
01:59:40,607 --> 01:59:44,310
You know, he was right
there, ready to make a case.
2633
01:59:44,311 --> 01:59:45,945
He was told no.
2634
01:59:45,946 --> 01:59:50,116
So Carson basically, just
like Knox, to save his career,
2635
01:59:51,285 --> 01:59:52,652
backed off.
2636
02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:05,130
The first and most significant
informant in this case,
2637
02:00:05,131 --> 02:00:08,668
long before Poole or anybody
had heard of Amir Muhammed,
2638
02:00:08,669 --> 02:00:10,135
Mike Robinson.
2639
02:00:10,136 --> 02:00:11,737
He worked with the sheriffs
mostly, and the sheriffs
2640
02:00:11,738 --> 02:00:14,974
actually handed him over
to Poole and Miller.
2641
02:00:14,975 --> 02:00:17,977
But, and they said, you know,
2642
02:00:17,978 --> 02:00:19,712
this guy has made cases for us.
2643
02:00:19,713 --> 02:00:21,614
We've gotten murder convictions,
2644
02:00:21,615 --> 02:00:24,917
almost entirely based
on his, at least,
2645
02:00:24,918 --> 02:00:26,819
we wouldn't have gotten
them without him.
2646
02:00:26,820 --> 02:00:28,988
He said right away
that he knew the killer
2647
02:00:28,989 --> 02:00:32,558
was somebody named Amir or
Ashmir or something like that.
2648
02:00:32,559 --> 02:00:35,561
I've had cases
where I've had individuals
2649
02:00:35,562 --> 02:00:38,564
confess to a crime and I
go, no, you didn't do it.
2650
02:00:38,565 --> 02:00:40,600
I know you didn't do it, why
are you telling me you did it,
2651
02:00:40,601 --> 02:00:41,967
when I know you didn't do it?
2652
02:00:41,968 --> 02:00:44,770
It's well, it's
because their brother
2653
02:00:44,771 --> 02:00:47,006
did something to
somebody in a gang,
2654
02:00:47,007 --> 02:00:48,941
and the gang said, you gotta
make up for your brother,
2655
02:00:48,942 --> 02:00:52,645
so you gotta take the hit on
it, and they wouldn't relent.
2656
02:00:52,646 --> 02:00:54,680
They, they're actually
doing prison time
2657
02:00:54,681 --> 02:00:57,117
for something they didn't do.
2658
02:01:03,590 --> 02:01:05,325
Time and time again,
2659
02:01:05,326 --> 02:01:07,327
we have people who
have information.
2660
02:01:07,328 --> 02:01:09,729
They're put in a situation
that's manufactured
2661
02:01:09,730 --> 02:01:11,664
to make them look like nuts.
2662
02:01:11,665 --> 02:01:14,133
Now suddenly they're not
credible on the other side.
2663
02:01:14,134 --> 02:01:16,469
They're not nutty
about other things.
2664
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:19,739
Board of Inquiries, they're
not nutty about Iranians
2665
02:01:19,740 --> 02:01:22,775
bringing in 60 kilos of cocaine.
2666
02:01:22,776 --> 02:01:25,244
They're not nuts about
any of these other things
2667
02:01:25,245 --> 02:01:26,179
that are going on.
2668
02:01:26,180 --> 02:01:28,548
They're cops, in some cases.
2669
02:01:28,549 --> 02:01:30,116
So I met Waymond.
2670
02:01:31,485 --> 02:01:35,656
And I started to talk with
Waymond, and meet with Waymond,
2671
02:01:36,757 --> 02:01:38,658
me and my partner, never alone,
2672
02:01:38,659 --> 02:01:42,496
and I can tell you that
he never, ever gave me
2673
02:01:45,799 --> 02:01:48,334
any bad information,
me or my partner.
2674
02:01:48,335 --> 02:01:50,336
One of the guys
that was from Marella's
2675
02:01:50,337 --> 02:01:53,172
law firm, he, actually, they
had my case up at Wilshire PD.
2676
02:01:53,173 --> 02:01:55,941
They told me if I did not do
what they were asking me to do,
2677
02:01:55,942 --> 02:01:57,843
they would switch my, they
had power to switch my case
2678
02:01:57,844 --> 02:01:59,311
into another courtroom,
which they did.
2679
02:01:59,312 --> 02:02:00,813
I have it to prove it to you.
2680
02:02:00,814 --> 02:02:04,417
Right after the deposition,
the guy who did the deposition
2681
02:02:04,418 --> 02:02:06,519
from Marella's law firm, I
think that's how you pronounce
2682
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:07,920
the law firm.
Yeah, Marella.
2683
02:02:07,921 --> 02:02:09,522
Marella, whatever
they call themselves.
2684
02:02:09,523 --> 02:02:14,159
They sent the deposition within
four days to Chuck Phillips.
2685
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,629
I never signed that deposition.
2686
02:02:16,630 --> 02:02:19,331
I never approved
that deposition.
2687
02:02:19,332 --> 02:02:21,701
But four days after I
cleared the deposition
2688
02:02:21,702 --> 02:02:24,203
when they were sending
it to the LA Times
2689
02:02:24,204 --> 02:02:26,739
to go to print with it,
I contacted Perry Sanders
2690
02:02:26,740 --> 02:02:29,074
and told him that I did
it under being threatened
2691
02:02:29,075 --> 02:02:31,143
and was duressed, and
I would never sign it.
2692
02:02:31,144 --> 02:02:33,345
I never, I never, ever.
2693
02:02:33,346 --> 02:02:37,518
They were bringing in me,
or sending me information.
2694
02:02:38,685 --> 02:02:41,020
You know, trying to
put words in my mouth
2695
02:02:41,021 --> 02:02:43,088
about other articles,
telling they wanted me
2696
02:02:43,089 --> 02:02:45,658
to go along with saying Perry
Sanders offered me money.
2697
02:02:45,659 --> 02:02:47,192
He never offered me any money.
2698
02:02:47,193 --> 02:02:49,529
That came from Don
Vincent's mouth.
2699
02:02:49,530 --> 02:02:51,330
And then he threatened my son.
Wow.
2700
02:02:51,331 --> 02:02:53,098
He told me I
would be put in the hole.
2701
02:02:53,099 --> 02:02:55,367
So, this whole thing came
from the city attorney,
2702
02:02:55,368 --> 02:02:57,302
they had a hard one
against Perry Sanders,
2703
02:02:57,303 --> 02:03:00,305
Mrs. Wallace, and
Christopher's estate.
2704
02:03:00,306 --> 02:03:03,275
They, they did not, they
did not like Perry Sanders,
2705
02:03:03,276 --> 02:03:07,379
they did not want them
to get over, they felt,
2706
02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:09,582
on the city of Los Angeles.
2707
02:03:09,583 --> 02:03:12,251
But suddenly when it
comes to matters of Death Row,
2708
02:03:12,252 --> 02:03:14,920
or it comes to matters
of Suge Knight,
2709
02:03:14,921 --> 02:03:17,457
or it comes to matters of
the Wallace investigation,
2710
02:03:17,458 --> 02:03:21,427
or LAPD corruption, these
guys are bonkers now.
2711
02:03:21,428 --> 02:03:24,797
Anybody with half a brain
can see what's going on here.
2712
02:03:24,798 --> 02:03:26,832
Let's suppose for a minute that
2713
02:03:26,833 --> 02:03:28,300
we say these guys aren't nuts.
2714
02:03:28,301 --> 02:03:32,472
Let's say we take at face value
what these guys had to say.
2715
02:03:32,473 --> 02:03:35,508
Before they were tampered with,
before they were threatened.
2716
02:03:35,509 --> 02:03:37,543
Before Chuck
Phillips got to them.
2717
02:03:37,544 --> 02:03:38,811
Probably gonna write this story
2718
02:03:38,812 --> 02:03:40,814
by the end of next week.
2719
02:03:42,916 --> 02:03:45,485
I just think that that would be.
2720
02:03:45,486 --> 02:03:48,353
I want to be able to bring
that up in the story,
2721
02:03:48,354 --> 02:03:50,055
but it would be much
better to bring it up
2722
02:03:50,056 --> 02:03:52,024
if you were part of it,
you know what I mean.
2723
02:03:52,025 --> 02:03:55,828
If you just would say,
hey, I would, I would.
2724
02:03:55,829 --> 02:03:58,063
I mean, you don't have to
say you can identify the guy,
2725
02:03:58,064 --> 02:04:01,567
all you have to say is
I would go to a lineup.
2726
02:04:01,568 --> 02:04:03,736
So, because they've
not even done that.
2727
02:04:03,737 --> 02:04:05,738
And they're trying to act
like they have done it,
2728
02:04:05,739 --> 02:04:08,040
you know what I mean, that
there's no reason to do it.
2729
02:04:08,041 --> 02:04:10,175
Yeah, you know.
2730
02:04:10,176 --> 02:04:12,244
Well, that's a question
that I'm not gonna answer,
2731
02:04:12,245 --> 02:04:13,546
Chuck, one way or another.
2732
02:04:13,547 --> 02:04:15,948
Before the LAPD got to them,
2733
02:04:15,949 --> 02:04:20,085
before they had an opportunity
to be dissuaded somehow.
2734
02:04:20,086 --> 02:04:22,622
We have been told
numerous times,
2735
02:04:22,623 --> 02:04:25,190
by numerous people,
including police officers,
2736
02:04:25,191 --> 02:04:27,192
that they're afraid
to come forward.
2737
02:04:27,193 --> 02:04:29,562
First we have to look
at what they said originally,
2738
02:04:29,563 --> 02:04:31,764
then we look at how
they were tampered with,
2739
02:04:31,765 --> 02:04:33,799
because this is
witness tampering.
2740
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:36,135
Let's call it what it is.
2741
02:04:36,136 --> 02:04:38,704
These people had
reliable information.
2742
02:04:38,705 --> 02:04:41,807
They had a track record of
provable, reliable information.
2743
02:04:41,808 --> 02:04:43,676
They get tampered with.
2744
02:04:43,677 --> 02:04:45,911
Now all of a sudden
they're afraid to talk.
2745
02:04:45,912 --> 02:04:47,880
Their stories are changing.
2746
02:04:47,881 --> 02:04:49,582
They're not right
about certain facts
2747
02:04:49,583 --> 02:04:52,384
that they had been absolutely
concrete sure of before.
2748
02:04:52,385 --> 02:04:54,754
And how does that not stink?
2749
02:04:54,755 --> 02:04:57,222
And they wanted a gang expert.
2750
02:04:57,223 --> 02:04:59,258
'Cause there were some
gang issues in there,
2751
02:04:59,259 --> 02:05:01,460
and I was known, I've
been known and still am
2752
02:05:01,461 --> 02:05:05,031
as a gang expert in
the defense world also.
2753
02:05:06,432 --> 02:05:08,167
They called me, and I went
down and talked to 'em
2754
02:05:08,168 --> 02:05:09,702
about the case,
and told 'em yeah,
2755
02:05:09,703 --> 02:05:13,305
I'd be glad to work on it with
ya, and be more than happy.
2756
02:05:13,306 --> 02:05:17,610
So I got retained and
started working on it.
2757
02:05:17,611 --> 02:05:21,146
And got into it,
and found out that,
2758
02:05:21,147 --> 02:05:23,115
well, I don't understand
the gang issues,
2759
02:05:23,116 --> 02:05:26,886
there's no real gang
involvement in this.
2760
02:05:26,887 --> 02:05:30,624
And I'm basically there
as a police practices
2761
02:05:32,358 --> 02:05:35,194
expert at that time in court.
2762
02:05:35,195 --> 02:05:39,365
And so, they're having
discussion and testimony about,
2763
02:05:42,302 --> 02:05:45,370
you know, informants and things,
and Kading, and all that,
2764
02:05:45,371 --> 02:05:48,440
and he's up there and
testifying went on.
2765
02:05:48,441 --> 02:05:51,276
The defense calls me, and
I get on the witness stand,
2766
02:05:51,277 --> 02:05:53,545
and they're asking me.
2767
02:05:53,546 --> 02:05:57,650
And I says yeah, this is how
you deal with informants.
2768
02:05:57,651 --> 02:06:01,153
This is the department
protocol, and,
2769
02:06:01,154 --> 02:06:03,122
and there, you know,
there's a manual.
2770
02:06:03,123 --> 02:06:05,958
There wasn't when I was
on, but there is now.
2771
02:06:05,959 --> 02:06:10,130
And the judge turned over
and asked me, he says, well,
2772
02:06:11,264 --> 02:06:13,265
what is your assessment,
or how do you feel,
2773
02:06:13,266 --> 02:06:17,670
that Detective Kading
handling of these informants?
2774
02:06:17,671 --> 02:06:20,740
And I said he sounded like he
was totally out of control,
2775
02:06:20,741 --> 02:06:22,875
and totally out of
policy to me, Your Honor.
2776
02:06:22,876 --> 02:06:27,046
He just, he did not follow
the correct procedure.
2777
02:06:27,047 --> 02:06:30,415
And he goes, okay, and
then he, the judge told
2778
02:06:30,416 --> 02:06:34,286
the US Attorney that I want
to see the informant manual.
2779
02:06:34,287 --> 02:06:35,988
Well, there isn't
one, Your Honor.
2780
02:06:35,989 --> 02:06:37,690
Kading's telling the federal
2781
02:06:37,691 --> 02:06:39,825
prosecutor there
is no such thing.
2782
02:06:39,826 --> 02:06:42,695
But we know, we know there is.
2783
02:06:42,696 --> 02:06:46,031
And, he said, I want that manual
2784
02:06:46,032 --> 02:06:48,101
in my office in one hour.
2785
02:06:49,970 --> 02:06:51,971
And they went and got it.
2786
02:06:51,972 --> 02:06:56,008
And so that, basically,
put Kading in a real cross,
2787
02:06:56,009 --> 02:06:59,278
because he has testified
that there is no such thing,
2788
02:06:59,279 --> 02:07:00,780
and there was.
2789
02:07:00,781 --> 02:07:02,882
But the federal
prosecutor believed Kading
2790
02:07:02,883 --> 02:07:04,984
that there wasn't
anything, and there was.
2791
02:07:04,985 --> 02:07:08,487
And then you saw
exactly what I laid out,
2792
02:07:08,488 --> 02:07:10,823
as to how it's to be handled.
2793
02:07:10,824 --> 02:07:13,092
Well come to find out,
and I listened to a lot
2794
02:07:13,093 --> 02:07:15,260
of the tapes of him
and his informants.
2795
02:07:15,261 --> 02:07:17,730
Why he taped himself,
I'll never know.
2796
02:07:17,731 --> 02:07:22,267
Because he's promising
these guys houses and money,
2797
02:07:22,268 --> 02:07:24,569
and all these things,
I need you to say this,
2798
02:07:24,570 --> 02:07:27,807
I need you to say, and then
I have phone conversations
2799
02:07:27,808 --> 02:07:31,443
of the informant telling
other guys, yeah,
2800
02:07:31,444 --> 02:07:33,879
all I had to do, I have to
say this, this, and that,
2801
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,248
I'm at 400 grand, I'm
gonna get a, you know,
2802
02:07:36,249 --> 02:07:38,317
a $500,000 home, I'm
gonna be living there,
2803
02:07:38,318 --> 02:07:40,085
I'm gonna be living
high on the hog,
2804
02:07:40,086 --> 02:07:42,654
I'm gonna be doing it bro,
and all this, and I'm like.
2805
02:07:42,655 --> 02:07:46,125
You can't promise
people, you can't.
2806
02:07:46,126 --> 02:07:50,996
You can't buy informants.
2807
02:07:50,997 --> 02:07:54,499
You can't offer them
anything for that.
2808
02:07:54,500 --> 02:07:57,837
You have to tell them that
I can't give you anything,
2809
02:07:57,838 --> 02:07:59,371
I have no authority
to give you anything...
2810
02:07:59,372 --> 02:08:00,906
Who would believe that?
2811
02:08:00,907 --> 02:08:02,374
If somebody, you're gonna
get half a million dollars
2812
02:08:02,375 --> 02:08:05,210
if you testify like that,
who would believe him anyway?
2813
02:08:05,211 --> 02:08:07,246
I mean, really, are
they that gullible?
2814
02:08:07,247 --> 02:08:08,948
Well, it was on tape.
2815
02:08:08,949 --> 02:08:12,384
You didn't have to believe
him, it was on tape.
2816
02:08:12,385 --> 02:08:14,954
That's why I don't understand
why he taped himself
2817
02:08:14,955 --> 02:08:17,122
when he visited
these guys alone.
2818
02:08:17,123 --> 02:08:19,291
He never had a partner with him,
2819
02:08:19,292 --> 02:08:21,293
and he never had a
witness or anything,
2820
02:08:21,294 --> 02:08:22,494
but he taped himself.
2821
02:08:22,495 --> 02:08:23,896
He even taped
himself on the phone,
2822
02:08:23,897 --> 02:08:27,800
and I just don't
understand the mentality
2823
02:08:27,801 --> 02:08:32,271
of someone that's a seasoned
officer or detective that
2824
02:08:32,272 --> 02:08:34,573
he knows they're taping this.
2825
02:08:34,574 --> 02:08:38,077
My understanding is is that when
2826
02:08:38,078 --> 02:08:41,413
the case was, almost all
the charges were dismissed.
2827
02:08:41,414 --> 02:08:44,751
There were some minor
bookkeeping things
2828
02:08:46,552 --> 02:08:50,890
the feds had on Torres, and he
got some real tiny conviction
2829
02:08:50,891 --> 02:08:55,061
on some housekeeping and
bookkeeping things or something,
2830
02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:57,696
everything else was dismissed.
2831
02:08:57,697 --> 02:09:02,367
The murder, the drugs, all
that stuff was all kicked out.
2832
02:09:02,368 --> 02:09:05,471
Was not guilty by
jury, and the judge
2833
02:09:07,073 --> 02:09:12,077
informed Kading that I
don't ever wanna know or see
2834
02:09:12,078 --> 02:09:14,814
or hear of you being in
a federal court building,
2835
02:09:14,815 --> 02:09:18,550
and you're never allowed
in my courtroom ever again.
2836
02:09:18,551 --> 02:09:22,021
And made mention to
the US Attorney that
2837
02:09:22,022 --> 02:09:25,424
he feels that they should
contact the department
2838
02:09:25,425 --> 02:09:28,560
and let them know what
had transpired here.
2839
02:09:28,561 --> 02:09:29,628
Were you around
when they said that?
2840
02:09:29,629 --> 02:09:30,463
Yeah.
2841
02:09:30,463 --> 02:09:31,297
You were there?
2842
02:09:31,298 --> 02:09:32,565
Yeah, and so.
2843
02:09:33,967 --> 02:09:37,269
That's all I know, and I
never saw or heard of Kading
2844
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:38,503
again.
Right.
2845
02:09:38,504 --> 02:09:42,374
I've seen this with
other detectives at LAPD
2846
02:09:42,375 --> 02:09:44,176
on other cases in state court,
2847
02:09:44,177 --> 02:09:47,980
where they were caught in
a lie on the witness stand,
2848
02:09:47,981 --> 02:09:51,316
and the judge whitewashed
it as a, well,
2849
02:09:51,317 --> 02:09:53,853
they were just embellishing,
they weren't really lying.
2850
02:09:53,854 --> 02:09:56,055
And then when it gets
back to the department,
2851
02:09:56,056 --> 02:09:58,557
they slapped their
hand like, well,
2852
02:09:58,558 --> 02:10:01,160
you can't be in homicide
for three or four weeks,
2853
02:10:01,161 --> 02:10:02,494
and then he's right back in.
2854
02:10:02,495 --> 02:10:04,463
It's like nothing happens.
2855
02:10:04,464 --> 02:10:08,800
Like any public entity, they
don't want to take a hit
2856
02:10:08,801 --> 02:10:12,471
in public that puts the
reputation or anything
2857
02:10:12,472 --> 02:10:14,840
of the department down, and so.
2858
02:10:14,841 --> 02:10:18,177
It's a common practice
with just about anywhere.
2859
02:10:18,178 --> 02:10:20,913
They don't wanna take
that kind of hit,
2860
02:10:20,914 --> 02:10:22,747
you know, unless
they have to, like,
2861
02:10:22,748 --> 02:10:25,750
you know, the black eye
from Raphael Perez, where,
2862
02:10:25,751 --> 02:10:29,955
in my era, if I was caught
lying on the witness stand,
2863
02:10:29,956 --> 02:10:31,256
it would have been
the end of my career.
2864
02:10:31,257 --> 02:10:32,691
I would have been fired.
2865
02:10:32,692 --> 02:10:35,360
They wouldn't have whitewashed,
they would have fired me.
2866
02:10:35,361 --> 02:10:38,797
Because as that
point of you lying,
2867
02:10:38,798 --> 02:10:42,034
you are no longer any
use to the department
2868
02:10:42,035 --> 02:10:46,171
because you can not testify
on any case anymore.
2869
02:10:46,172 --> 02:10:48,407
You're not trustworthy anymore.
2870
02:10:48,408 --> 02:10:50,442
They can't use you anymore.
2871
02:10:50,443 --> 02:10:54,346
Because you've already lied
on the record in a courtroom,
2872
02:10:54,347 --> 02:10:56,848
and therefore you have
no credibility anymore,
2873
02:10:56,849 --> 02:10:58,250
so therefore they can't use you.
2874
02:10:58,251 --> 02:11:01,386
But, it seemed
like nobody cared.
2875
02:11:01,387 --> 02:11:06,291
You have to understand that
Greg Kading admitted in 2011
2876
02:11:06,292 --> 02:11:09,694
and several years after he
was off the police department,
2877
02:11:09,695 --> 02:11:13,432
that he personally had not
seen any of the evidence
2878
02:11:13,433 --> 02:11:15,500
that had been
presented in discovery.
2879
02:11:15,501 --> 02:11:17,102
Well, what was the
whole entire nature
2880
02:11:17,103 --> 02:11:18,503
of the Wallace lawsuit?
2881
02:11:18,504 --> 02:11:20,940
The entire nature of the
Wallace lawsuit was that
2882
02:11:20,941 --> 02:11:23,708
cops were involved, and that
David Mack was involved,
2883
02:11:23,709 --> 02:11:25,477
and that Raphael
Perez was involved,
2884
02:11:25,478 --> 02:11:27,112
and that Amir
Muhammed was involved.
2885
02:11:27,113 --> 02:11:30,082
That was the entire scope of
the Wallace investigation.
2886
02:11:30,083 --> 02:11:32,751
So if you're a detective
and you've seen nothing
2887
02:11:32,752 --> 02:11:35,587
that puts forward any new
evidence or any new information
2888
02:11:35,588 --> 02:11:37,522
to support that theory,
how in the world
2889
02:11:37,523 --> 02:11:40,993
can you say you've actually
investigated it at all?
2890
02:11:40,994 --> 02:11:44,998
If you do not include
box B, along with box A.
2891
02:11:47,067 --> 02:11:50,702
And explain everything
in those boxes,
2892
02:11:50,703 --> 02:11:54,106
of course, you're an
incompetent investigator, one.
2893
02:11:54,107 --> 02:11:57,277
Two, you're a
fraudulent investigator.
2894
02:11:58,178 --> 02:12:00,179
And, you've just disgraced
2895
02:12:00,180 --> 02:12:02,447
the law enforcement
code of ethics.
2896
02:12:02,448 --> 02:12:04,316
Greg Kading and
some other people that
2897
02:12:04,317 --> 02:12:06,585
he was affiliated with
put that letter online,
2898
02:12:06,586 --> 02:12:08,720
and then started
immediately saying,
2899
02:12:08,721 --> 02:12:10,089
oh, how ridiculous this is.
2900
02:12:10,090 --> 02:12:11,556
Oh, here goes R.J. Bond again.
2901
02:12:11,557 --> 02:12:14,426
But again, like I said, nobody
really has come back with,
2902
02:12:14,427 --> 02:12:16,161
other than, oh that's silly.
2903
02:12:16,162 --> 02:12:20,599
You haven't considered box
B, and the evidence in there.
2904
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:23,935
That could refute and
change everything.
2905
02:12:23,936 --> 02:12:26,538
So your investigation
is not complete.
2906
02:12:26,539 --> 02:12:29,641
I've talked to
the US Attorneys out here
2907
02:12:29,642 --> 02:12:33,813
that had that Kading case, and
he's like, his name is mud.
2908
02:12:39,319 --> 02:12:42,521
It turns out a few months
after the Biggie Smalls killing,
2909
02:12:42,522 --> 02:12:45,525
that there was
actually a secret bid
2910
02:12:47,193 --> 02:12:49,862
auction for helicopters that the
2911
02:12:51,197 --> 02:12:53,398
Compton Police Department owned.
2912
02:12:53,399 --> 02:12:56,268
One of the bidders
on this secret bid,
2913
02:12:56,269 --> 02:13:00,705
that was a sealed bid,
was the city of Las Vegas.
2914
02:13:00,706 --> 02:13:03,142
Vegas has to be told to shut up.
2915
02:13:03,143 --> 02:13:04,643
They have to be hushed.
2916
02:13:04,644 --> 02:13:06,345
Because when they're gonna
get pinched in a corner,
2917
02:13:06,346 --> 02:13:08,247
the FBI rocks over
too many cases,
2918
02:13:08,248 --> 02:13:09,914
they're not gonna
be able to basically
2919
02:13:09,915 --> 02:13:12,884
contain what they believe
to be the truth about it,
2920
02:13:12,885 --> 02:13:14,786
and I think that was
always the veiled threat.
2921
02:13:14,787 --> 02:13:16,555
Hey, you push us too
hard, we're gonna
2922
02:13:16,556 --> 02:13:18,390
talk about the whole
stinking affair.
2923
02:13:18,391 --> 02:13:19,858
We know it exists.
2924
02:13:19,859 --> 02:13:23,228
Anybody with half a brain
can see what's going on here.
2925
02:13:23,229 --> 02:13:25,697
And if you really wanted
to go in that direction,
2926
02:13:25,698 --> 02:13:28,167
we can push it that way.
2927
02:13:28,168 --> 02:13:29,534
That's when Compton said, oh,
2928
02:13:29,535 --> 02:13:30,869
let's change our
tact a little bit.
2929
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:32,604
Maybe we won't push so hard.
2930
02:13:32,605 --> 02:13:34,073
Maybe we won't say
you guys are dummies.
2931
02:13:34,074 --> 02:13:37,742
In fact, why don't we
give you something nice.
2932
02:13:37,743 --> 02:13:39,244
Why don't we treat you good.
2933
02:13:39,245 --> 02:13:40,512
Why don't we give you something
2934
02:13:40,513 --> 02:13:42,447
that you can turn
around and flip,
2935
02:13:42,448 --> 02:13:44,583
and make a little
bit of a profit on.
2936
02:13:44,584 --> 02:13:46,251
The City Council just
knew that the helicopters
2937
02:13:46,252 --> 02:13:47,786
were to be declared surplus.
2938
02:13:47,787 --> 02:13:49,954
The City Council has no
idea of what helicopters do,
2939
02:13:49,955 --> 02:13:52,124
and they're not in the
helicopter business,
2940
02:13:52,125 --> 02:13:55,160
so they wouldn't know how much
these helicopters were worth.
2941
02:13:55,161 --> 02:13:57,028
And so if you're gonna
give 'em away to Vegas,
2942
02:13:57,029 --> 02:13:58,730
give 'em away to Vegas,
sure, no problem.
2943
02:13:58,731 --> 02:14:00,031
How 'bout the helicopter?
2944
02:14:00,032 --> 02:14:01,266
That went to Vegas?
2945
02:14:01,267 --> 02:14:02,734
Man, I tell you, the
night of that meeting,
2946
02:14:02,735 --> 02:14:05,104
I'm getting sent the city
of Las Vegas' budget,
2947
02:14:05,105 --> 02:14:07,072
it's damn near a
billion dollars a year.
2948
02:14:07,073 --> 02:14:09,174
Our budget is 163 million.
2949
02:14:09,175 --> 02:14:11,243
And we selling
them a helicopter?
2950
02:14:11,244 --> 02:14:14,213
We had a four seat
jet helicopter,
2951
02:14:14,214 --> 02:14:15,714
it cost a million dollars.
2952
02:14:15,715 --> 02:14:19,284
And you're talking about
a helicopter?
2953
02:14:19,285 --> 02:14:20,319
Give me a break.
2954
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:21,520
From the looks of it,
2955
02:14:21,521 --> 02:14:23,155
it doesn't appear
that that transaction
2956
02:14:23,156 --> 02:14:26,291
was actually sanctioned
in any kind of a
2957
02:14:26,292 --> 02:14:30,463
city council or budget meeting
in the city of Las Vegas.
2958
02:14:32,832 --> 02:14:34,799
Tell us what we're doing.
2959
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:38,971
So, we're looking for records
of a helicopter transfer.
2960
02:14:40,373 --> 02:14:44,876
If there was an exchange
of a helicopter from
2961
02:14:44,877 --> 02:14:49,048
Compton PD to LVMPD, you're
never gonna find it in LVMPD.
2962
02:14:50,516 --> 02:14:51,650
You won't find it.
2963
02:14:51,651 --> 02:14:53,618
That, those documents
are destroyed,
2964
02:14:53,619 --> 02:14:56,888
and the tracking of
that money is just about
2965
02:14:56,889 --> 02:14:58,890
as hard to track
that money as it is
2966
02:14:58,891 --> 02:15:01,092
to the police
radio system money.
2967
02:15:01,093 --> 02:15:03,428
It's nonexistent anymore.
2968
02:15:03,429 --> 02:15:05,430
It's bought, it
stays off the books,
2969
02:15:05,431 --> 02:15:09,901
and no one has any idea that
this helicopter was purchased.
2970
02:15:09,902 --> 02:15:14,105
So, we hear that they
got this brand spankin' new
2971
02:15:14,106 --> 02:15:16,676
$50,000 helicopter engine, and,
2972
02:15:19,645 --> 02:15:21,246
they don't read the
instruction manual,
2973
02:15:21,247 --> 02:15:23,682
and they burn it up
right there on the pad,
2974
02:15:23,683 --> 02:15:26,551
so there's another $50,000
right out the door,
2975
02:15:26,552 --> 02:15:29,053
and it was right around
this same time frame.
2976
02:15:29,054 --> 02:15:33,124
I'm just wondering if there
was some kind of connection.
2977
02:15:38,431 --> 02:15:41,633
This wasn't a
grand conspiracy, but rather,
2978
02:15:41,634 --> 02:15:46,171
a few individuals that were
very good at gaming the system.
2979
02:15:46,172 --> 02:15:49,608
After Tupac was dead, and
having missed their opportunity
2980
02:15:49,609 --> 02:15:53,712
to kill Suge Knight, the
conspirators put him in prison
2981
02:15:53,713 --> 02:15:57,216
so they could rape and
plunder Death Row Records.
2982
02:15:57,217 --> 02:15:59,951
They were able to sell most
of their crimes leading up
2983
02:15:59,952 --> 02:16:04,022
to the murders as a gang
thing that was unsolvable.
2984
02:16:04,023 --> 02:16:06,157
When the narrative
didn't gain traction,
2985
02:16:06,158 --> 02:16:10,161
they elevated the narrative
by killing Biggie as an
2986
02:16:10,162 --> 02:16:14,334
East Coast/West Coast feud
that was equally unsolvable.
2987
02:16:15,668 --> 02:16:18,337
They sold this narrative
through Tim Brennan's affidavit.
2988
02:16:18,338 --> 02:16:21,873
And they sold it through Chuck
Phillips' LA Times articles.
2989
02:16:21,874 --> 02:16:25,610
As the truth began to
emerge in Biggie and Tupac,
2990
02:16:25,611 --> 02:16:27,546
and the Wallace civil trials,
2991
02:16:27,547 --> 02:16:30,349
they suppressed the
truth in the first trial,
2992
02:16:30,350 --> 02:16:32,851
and used Waymond Anderson
to sell the narrative
2993
02:16:32,852 --> 02:16:35,320
and derail the second trial.
2994
02:16:35,321 --> 02:16:39,057
To galvanize this narrative,
they used an ex-LAPD cop
2995
02:16:39,058 --> 02:16:40,959
to sell it, yet again.
2996
02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:43,795
They'll do anything
to obfuscate the truth
2997
02:16:43,796 --> 02:16:46,665
and sell you this
murder as unsolvable.
2998
02:16:46,666 --> 02:16:50,635
In spite of hundreds of
witnesses in very public places,
2999
02:16:50,636 --> 02:16:54,706
because they are still
gaming the system.
3000
02:16:54,707 --> 02:16:56,741
I don't take any criticism
3001
02:16:56,742 --> 02:16:58,543
of the Los Angeles
Police Department,
3002
02:16:58,544 --> 02:17:01,546
or any criticism against
law enforcement lightly.
3003
02:17:01,547 --> 02:17:04,583
Because my family
was a family of cops.
3004
02:17:04,584 --> 02:17:07,352
My grandfather was on the Los
Angeles Police Department.
3005
02:17:07,353 --> 02:17:10,221
My father was on the Los
Angeles Police Department.
3006
02:17:10,222 --> 02:17:14,225
I knew cops every day, and
it makes me sad to think that
3007
02:17:14,226 --> 02:17:17,796
these people that are involved
in these crimes have sullied
3008
02:17:17,797 --> 02:17:20,365
the reputation of great men
and women that are out there,
3009
02:17:20,366 --> 02:17:22,233
because there are a
lot of them out there.
3010
02:17:22,234 --> 02:17:26,405
The only way police
misconduct can occur is if it is
3011
02:17:26,406 --> 02:17:30,642
condoned and tolerated by
upper police management.
3012
02:17:30,643 --> 02:17:32,811
That's it, that's
the bottom line.
3013
02:17:32,812 --> 02:17:34,813
There were no
convictions as a result
3014
02:17:34,814 --> 02:17:37,549
of the Compton PD investigation.
3015
02:17:37,550 --> 02:17:41,720
There were no convictions
for the Tupac Shakur killing.
3016
02:17:41,721 --> 02:17:45,056
There were no convictions for
the Biggie Smalls killing.
3017
02:17:45,057 --> 02:17:48,960
There were no convictions for
the acts of very bad people.
3018
02:17:48,961 --> 02:17:51,663
And now the lack of conviction
3019
02:17:51,664 --> 02:17:54,299
and the lack of prosecution
against certain individuals
3020
02:17:54,300 --> 02:17:57,168
that we know did some
really bad things
3021
02:17:57,169 --> 02:18:01,105
are being used as a rationalization
and a justification
3022
02:18:01,106 --> 02:18:03,808
that they're
actually good people.
3023
02:18:03,809 --> 02:18:08,447
The reality is that Al Capone
was never charged with murder.
3024
02:18:08,448 --> 02:18:10,649
Al Capone was charged
with tax evasion.
3025
02:18:10,650 --> 02:18:12,351
Did it mean there weren't people
3026
02:18:12,352 --> 02:18:14,419
that were dead as a
result of Al Capone?
3027
02:18:14,420 --> 02:18:15,887
Yeah, there were.
3028
02:18:15,888 --> 02:18:18,390
But he was never
charged with murder.
3029
02:18:18,391 --> 02:18:21,192
And if that's gonna be our
rationale as a society,
3030
02:18:21,193 --> 02:18:24,663
well I didn't get caught,
so it must be okay.
3031
02:18:24,664 --> 02:18:27,632
Then we have a long way to go.
3032
02:18:27,633 --> 02:18:29,668
Do it the right way.
3033
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:31,536
Reduced to three words.
3034
02:18:31,537 --> 02:18:32,772
Be high minded.
3035
02:18:34,540 --> 02:18:37,610
Three more words,
remain high minded.
3036
02:18:39,011 --> 02:18:41,646
That's the message I want
them giving to people.
3037
02:18:41,647 --> 02:18:46,217
Before, not after, they face
the first fork in the road.
3038
02:18:46,218 --> 02:18:48,387
Do I do the right thing today,
3039
02:18:48,388 --> 02:18:50,489
or do I go off the path?
3040
02:18:50,490 --> 02:18:52,992
And do I become corrupt today?
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