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{\an5}This programme contains
themes of child abuse
and discussions about drugs
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Michael Jackson met
Gavin Arvizo in 2000.
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He was ten years old
and he was dying of cancer.
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Michael wanted me to edit
a short film of Michael
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and Gavin.
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And I don't think it was meant
for the public to see.
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When I see that footage it makes
me uneasy.
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Is it possible that Michael is
a child molester,
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is it possible that he did something
to this kid?
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Can you copy?
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Dozens of investigators swarmed
Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch.
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The search is tied
to allegations from
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a 12-year-old boy that he was
molested by Jackson.
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Sherrif's Department.
We have a search warrant.
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I was told if you say or do anything
you're going to kill your career.
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Are there any secret rooms?
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Michael had some kind
of control over me.
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I didn't say what I should
have said.
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Tonight,
Jackson is wanted by police.
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The entire accusations against
Michael was a scam.
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Michael Jackson under arrest.
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He had a succession
of boys coming through his room
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and spending the night.
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He could abuse children almost
with impunity.
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I remember Gavin's mom saying,
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"I don't care what he offers,
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"I will never take
the devil's money."
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The jury in Santa Maria,
California has reached a verdict.
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If he is found guilty,
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it will be a journey not back
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to Neverland but straight
to prison.
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Do you think he's innocent?
After everything you've seen,
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do you still think he's
possibly innocent?
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Michael Jackson has a lot at stake.
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After years of scandal
and some pretty odd behaviour,
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The King of Pop may have
to fight to retain his title.
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At one time the singer
Michael Jackson was
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the hottest showbiz act in the world
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but then his career
drastically declined.
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When I met Michael Jackson,
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he was renting this beautiful
townhouse right off
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Central Park. I walk in,
and Michael's in this room.
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It was a little bit like this,
you know.
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It was, not a lot of light.
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And he's very shy.
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Michael was very shy.
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So, I just started asking him
questions like,
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"What are you doing in New York?"
"Well, Shmuley,
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"I'm finishing my Invincible album."
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Little did I realise that was going
on for like
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a decade already.
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I was the Rabbi at Oxford University
for 11 years.
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And because I was so involved in
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the space of helping people order
their lives,
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I felt that I could do that
for Michael.
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I mean, everyone knew that Michael
Jackson was troubled in some way,
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that he was a little bit off.
He was different.
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In fact,
if we want to be
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a little bit less kind,
he was called Wacko Jacko.
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We start talking,
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and the conversation just began
to roll.
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Probably turned into a two,
three-hour meeting.
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And then he starts sharing even
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these very private
things immediately.
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Testing, one, two, three. Testing.
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OK. Let me ask you about,
were you happy?
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When I was little?
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Nobody has heard those
tapes before.
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And the things that Michael reveals
in those tapes have no precedent.
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How did I feel listening to it?
it? Unnerved.
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But I did begin
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to understand Michael
so much more deeply.
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{\an1}KNOCKING
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Joseph had this thing.
"I'm raising men,
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"not boys." Crying was unacceptable.
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Anything that he thought made
them appear
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the least bit feminine,
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that didn't sit well
with him at all.
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His father had wanted him to be
a performer
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but had never given him
unconditional love.
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He said to me,
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"Do you understand that from
the age of five I was taken
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"to nightclubs where we saw
stuff..." Nightclubs.
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His brothers,
any time they were on tour,
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when they were adults,
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there were many women that they
would go in
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and out of hotels
with, all that, you know,
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rock and roll stuff.
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Except for Michael. Michael would
run away from it.
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Sometimes, even by his own
admission, he would cry.
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He always said to me he
found it disgusting.
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Did it lead him to believe that sex
can be disgusting?
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Yeah, possibly.
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That's not the best way
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to discover what love
and sex is about.
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Michael was robbed
of that childhood innocence,
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and Michael spent his life trying
to get
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the world's attention,
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thinking it might compensate.
And it never did.
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I met Michael Jackson in 1984.
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The Jackson Five was on
the Victory tour.
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Their reunion.
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Michael introduced the moonwalk
to the world at that time.
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- I saw Michael Jackson!
Michael Jackson!
- I saw him.
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At that time,
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his popularity was through
the roof.
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When you think about 1984
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and you think about Michael Jackson,
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you think about this dark-skinned
black man who women,
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whether they were black,
white or whatever,
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they were crazy about.
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And thought he was
the most handsome dude there was.
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He was sexy. He was charming.
He was electric.
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He was the King of Pop.
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And then there was this mystery
to him,
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too, because he never really
said much.
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He lives here with his mother
and two sisters,
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a boa constrictor, a llama,
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and a room full of mannequins.
He loves mannequins.
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He is a Jehovah's Witness.
Neither smokes,
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drinks, nor swears,
loves Disneyland and is very shy.
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And then Michael did
something weird.
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In the late '80s, early '90s,
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he stopped really having
adult friends.
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I know family members were wondering
what's happening there.
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He basically cut them off. And then,
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of course, he built
this amazing place, Neverland.
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It was a very isolated ranch,
like 3,000 acres,
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so there was this contradictory
dichotomy of him on
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the one hand being
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the most recognisable entertainer
on Earth
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and then on the other hand
never visible.
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It was the summer of 2000.
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My family and I arrived
in Neverland.
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Michael was so reclusive,
never visible,
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always hidden away.
And I would say to him,
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"You're a youthful guy
and you don't have friends here."
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He was totally alienated from
his father.
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And I began to understand that
Michael was living a nightmare.
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- Michael!
- Stop pulling it down.
- Michael.
- Stop.
- Michael!
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They're getting hurt.
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Come on watch your fingers.
Put your hand down.
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You're so beautiful.
You're so beautiful.
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Watch your fingers.
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I love you. I love you.
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Working for Michael Jackson was
a sea of madness all the time.
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Michael, did you sign my picture
from yesterday?
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Can you give it back to me, please?
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I didn't see it. I'm sorry,
I didn't see it, I don't have it.
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OK we've got to go. We have to go.
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Watch out. We have to go.
Watch your head.
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Watch your head. Watch your head.
Pull it back.
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Why aren't they helping us out
there? The security.
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OK. All the way up,
all the way up. Let go.
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I was a 21-year-old producer trying
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to make it in Hollywood.
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One project led
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to another project,
and before I know it,
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I'm working for the biggest star in
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the history of stardom,
Michael Jackson.
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From that day on,
for the next few years,
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me and Michael's Director
of Photography filmed everything
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for Michael.
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Going into a public place
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with Michael Jackson can only be
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properly or sufficiently understood
if you actually have seen it happen.
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{\an1}CHEERING
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There is no comparison
to Michael Jackson fans versus
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the rest of fandom.
It is an entire different planet.
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{\an1}SCREAMING AND CHEERING
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It is people that truly look at
Michael Jackson not just as a man,
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but also as a god
and a religion.
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{\an1}CHEERING
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It's like the biblical
version of modern stardom.
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But I have very,
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very few memories
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of when I actually felt like
Michael was happy.
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I think that
the only times that I really saw
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Michael happy was when he
was playing,
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when he was,
when he was surrounded by kids.
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And that's why Neverland was perfect
for Michael Jackson.
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If any kid could build their
dream house,
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they would build Neverland Ranch.
A train station,
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a carousel, roller-coasters,
a zoo. It was just surreal.
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Michael Jackson in my opinion was
just a kid.
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I never saw a sexual side
of Michael Jackson.
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I saw an asexual man who wanted
to be 12 years old
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and wanted to have water
balloon fights.
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Welcome to Neverland.
And have a wonderful day. OK?
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Thank you.
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{\an1}CHEERING
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We love you.
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I saw a ton of kids visit Neverland.
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I saw a ton of sick kids
with big smiles on their faces.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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You have all these sick kids who
came to Neverland Ranch
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and met Michael Jackson
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and met this Peter Pan-like figure
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and had the time of their lives
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for one day before they went back to
a cancer hospital.
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Michael wanted me
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to understand that he had
noble motives,
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that he was a good person,
that he had a kind heart,
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that he was genuinely devoted
to children in general
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and to sickly children
in particular.
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Michael kept on saying
to me that a child who has cancer,
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who he had met and befriended was
coming to stay for the first time.
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Gavin Arvizo was
a ten-year-old kid. He was small,
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he was frail,
and he had terminal cancer.
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I remember having to edit
a short film of Michael
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and Gavin.
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The video was made
for Gavin's family
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and for Michael to enjoy
and for Michael to have.
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And I don't think it was meant
for the public to see.
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The first time you see it,
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I think you're a little taken back,
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especially if you don't know
Michael Jackson really well.
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It felt really uncomfortable
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because it's an adult man seemingly
having like a picnic
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with a ten-year-old.
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It shows Michael
and Gavin holding hands,
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and the soundtrack that
Michael specifically wanted
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to use was I'll Be There,
which is a really,
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really sweet song,
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but it seems to sound like
a little bit of
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a romantic song
to the adult ear.
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But he wanted to be his best friend.
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He wanted to give this kid
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the best possible memories that he
could at the end of his life.
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We're going to walk out of
the shot.
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I walked into Gavin's hospital room
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and there was
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a gigantic gift basket full
of things like PlayStations.
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And I said, "Who gave you that?"
And Gavin said, "Michael."
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That's the first time
I heard about
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the involvement
of Michael Jackson in Gavin's life.
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I was teaching stand-up comedy at
The Laugh Factory
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to kids from tough neighbourhoods
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and Gavin was naturally funny.
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The Arvizos lived in East LA
in a one-bedroom apartment.
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There were mattresses on the floors
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and sheets dividing where
the parents slept
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and where the children slept.
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Janet Arvizo had three kids.
She was an effervescent,
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outgoing person who wanted
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to give her kids opportunities,
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even though they didn't have
a lot of money.
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Gavin was a very affectionate child
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and his father had been abusive
so he craved attention.
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We had comedians that worked
frequently at
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The Laugh Factory helping out
as mentors.
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I saw a lot of people going
out of their way
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to help Gavin and his family
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and so he was introduced
to Michael Jackson
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because they thought he would get
joy out of it.
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Gavin would talk to me about
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the fun he was having at Neverland
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and how I should go with them.
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Janet told me that Michael
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and Gavin were doing
a lot of pranks,
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a lot of sneaking up on people,
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a lot of playful wrestling.
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And I would say,
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"Where is everyone sleeping?"
She would say,
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"Oh, we're sleeping in the
cottages."
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I never said to her, "I worry,"
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but my view was that
Michael Jackson probably had
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a sexual attraction for children.
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I knew about the Jordan
Chandler accusations.
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So, this is ten years prior
to Gavin.
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Michael Jackson is at
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the centre of a
criminal investigation.
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Pop superstar Michael Jackson is
facing allegations of child abuse.
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He knew how to manipulate
his world.
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I am not guilty of these allegations
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but if I am guilty of anything it is
of giving all I that have to give
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to help children all over
the world.
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Jackson settled this case
out of court
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and paid his accuser
an estimated $20 million.
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There is a widespread feeling that
he still had something to hide.
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Michael Jackson built
an amusement park in
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the middle of nowhere.
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I don't think that's
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the behaviour of somebody who's not
attracted sexually
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to children.
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But we don't know the truth
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because we're not in the room.
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So, all we can do is formulate
an opinion.
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And I wasn't worried about
Gavin being targeted
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because he had cancer, he was dying.
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I thought, why not let him go,
pet the giraffe?
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Just enjoy it.
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Michael and Gavin had
obviously created
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a bond through Gavin's sickness,
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and his family had an obvious
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and reasonable reason
to really adore Michael.
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My name is Star
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and I really feel sad about my
brother all sick
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and everything.
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All they know about
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the cancer is aggressive
and everything. That's it.
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The youngest son of
the Arvizos was named Star.
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And when you met Star,
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all he talked about was his future
in comedy and TV.
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Star just wanted to be a famous kid.
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Star wanted to be a TV host.
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Star wanted so much of the LA
and fame world.
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And obviously,
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if you're put in Michael
Jackson's world
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and you have access to cameras
and Neverland Ranch,
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you've just found your way to
the big time.
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Good evening.
Welcome to the Neverland Channel.
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My name is Star. Here we are live at
the Neverland Park.
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As you can see,
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the kids are excited
and they're full of popcorn.
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Michael paid for a big production
crew to make a television pilot.
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You are watching
the Neverland Channel.
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All kids. All fun.
24 hours around the world.
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And it was the exploits around
Neverland Ranch.
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Meeting the elephants,
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feeding the giraffes,
going on the train.
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Look at... Michael has
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so many fields of grass.
I love being here.
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Sort of like Nickelodeon
at Neverland.
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Whoa. Look at all sorts
of rides over there.
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Gavin was in it a little bit.
But Star was the host.
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As you can see,
I'm here with the elephants
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and their trainer.
Could I ask you...?
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It was obviously done out of
the kindness of Michael's heart
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to make this child Star feel good
about something,
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or to do something for the child.
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And there you have it.
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The exclusive of
Neverland pre-historic animals.
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{\an1}BEEP
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And... And there it is.
The exclusive of the elephants.
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{\an1}BEEP
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And that's a wrap.
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On the surface, Neverland looks like
a marvellous experience
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for children,
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and they felt like
the most special little boys in
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the world.
They craved more of that.
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Here I am with my very, very good
friend of mine, Gavin.
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00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,880
But Michael Jackson was really good
at seducing these kids.
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He presented himself to
the world as, "I am Peter Pan,"
345
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and the spin control that he had
never had
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a childhood was to disarm us.
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Well, my favourite show is...
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But it was a facade.
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..because I want to be
the greatest dancer in the world.
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Gavin was a fierce little boy,
but he suffered.
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They had to remove
a giant tumour from his abdomen.
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They also removed one
of his kidneys.
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I said goodbye
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to him in my prayers every night
when I left
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the hospital.
We thought he would die.
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Michael helped arrange
blood transfusions.
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He helped arrange certain
cancer cares.
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And who knows why or how,
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but somehow Gavin Arvizo survived
a terminal form of cancer.
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My heart just broke wide open.
And he...
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And he was really going to recover,
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and I was just overwhelmed by that.
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We went and bought
Christmas presents.
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00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,200
I remember that Gavin's hair had all
grown back.
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I was almost in tears.
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But when I saw him that Christmas
and he was healthy,
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that's when I worried about how he
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might really now be in harm's way
regarding Michael Jackson.
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After Gavin got better,
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Janet told me that she wasn't able
to get through
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to Michael Jackson
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and they were not being invited back
to Neverland.
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So, there was all these confusing
things that were happening.
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But I know how Gavin is
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and, you know, once he became
friends with Michael Jackson,
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he wanted to spend time
with Michael.
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00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,640
Well, after spending three years
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and a reputed $20 million,
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Michael Jackson is out to rock
the word
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with his first studio album
of new songs in ten years.
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I am at The Beverly Hills Hotel
meeting Michael Jackson
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for the first time.
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I had received a phone call from
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a friend at Sony who was complaining
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00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,920
and very worried that
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the Michael Jackson record was not
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going to come in on time.
And that was a problem
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00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,640
because that's costing
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a million dollars
a minute kind of thing.
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00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,360
My role was to make sure that they
could get a record in.
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When you work with like rap artists
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00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,520
and stuff like that it is
like, no hookers,
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00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,200
no blow, we've got to get this in
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and we've got a due date of
the 15th.
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I'm there to talk business.
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00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,040
But then there was a mysterious man
that just kind of showed up with
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a briefcase full
of just pharmaceuticals.
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00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,440
There was loads of pills
and drugs. Demerol was a big one.
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00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,760
And then we zipped around the
corner and went to a pharmacy
400
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,440
and picked up more drugs.
401
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200
And I'm like, what
the hell? What is this?
402
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Genius? What are you talking about?
He's drugged out.
403
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,600
In the studio,
404
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,720
I realised very quickly that we
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00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,240
are not focused on
what we should be focused on.
406
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960
He doesn't wake up
until three in the afternoon
407
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240
and then you are sitting there,
like, waiting,
408
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,880
for hours and hours and hours
409
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,360
and then he gets up
and, "I don't feel like it."
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00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
He wasn't even there half the time.
411
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920
I thought, "Why isn't anybody
saying anything?"
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00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
He was surrounded by yes people
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00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,600
and if you didn't say yes,
you were whisked into the corner.
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00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,400
{\an1}- Michael!
- Michael!
- REPORTERS SHOUT
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My biggest concern was
the fact that he is woozy
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00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,080
and out of it all the time.
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00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
The fact that he would call me up
from Neverland,
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00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,520
here in this house and say to me,
"Shmuley, I love you, I miss you."
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00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,320
{\an1}REPORTERS SHOUT
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00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480
And I would say to Michael, "You
know this is going to kill you."
421
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,080
"Shmuley it's not medical,
it's this..."
422
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,440
I said, "Michael, you are too smart
to talk yourself into this.
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00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,520
"There is nothing medical
about this.
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00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000
{\an1}REPORTERS SHOUT
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00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,720
I was trying to save him
from a downward spiral.
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00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,720
Thank you for waiting,
really appreciate it.
427
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,320
- Michael!
- Michael!
428
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,960
At that time, Michael was divorced.
429
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,400
I felt very strongly
that he needed a wife.
430
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,920
He needed a soulmate.
431
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520
He needed someone who would
ground him.
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00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Let's go shake 'em up.
433
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,920
Let's show what you do to the crowds
with your daddy in the window.
434
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920
They have been there since
six o'clock this morning.
435
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Look, now they're out there...
436
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,520
He had been married to Debbie Rowe,
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00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480
and they two kids together.
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00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,240
{\an1}SHOUTING OUTSIDE
439
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,720
{\an1}CHEERING
440
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,480
People were already speculating
about the marriage.
441
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,600
Was she a surrogate mother,
was it a real marriage?
442
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Michael made a decision to have kids
that were not African Americans.
443
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,640
Shake. Do you want a Life Saver?
Shake yourself.
444
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,320
He did not want them to have
the looks of his father
445
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,680
and he did want have
the traits of his father.
446
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,800
In 2000, he divorces Debbie Rowe,
447
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,080
and then suddenly he is raising
the kids by himself.
448
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,920
They were probably three and two at
the time, and very attached to him.
449
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880
I was trying to resuscitate and
rehabilitate Michael -
450
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,360
not his career, but his personhood.
451
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,960
You know to get him -
let's have a more normal schedule.
452
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Let's get the kids out
with play dates with other kids.
453
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Let's even get the kids maybe
into school -
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00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560
and then he wasn't being productive
with his artistry.
455
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,480
It's a continuous kind of train
wreck ride
456
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,520
of not being able
to focus on this record.
457
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,360
You can see where it's going.
458
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,640
It's heading towards a tragedy.
459
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,560
A self-imposed tragedy.
460
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Michael! Michael!
Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael!
461
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Shortly after the album comes out,
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00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,000
we are committed to go to
several record stores.
463
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,600
One of them, being the biggest,
464
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320
is the Virgin megastore
in New York City, Times Square.
465
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Michael! Michael! Michael!
466
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120
He didn't want to be there.
467
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760
There was kind of like this feeling
of hope being lost.
468
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800
{\an1}CROWD CHEERS
469
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,080
A hit, that's what they want.
470
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,880
{\an1}THEY SCREAM
471
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Well, that's not what they got.
472
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,480
$30 million later...
473
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160
..they get a clunker.
474
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360
His latest album, Invincible,
475
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,280
only sold a disappointing
two million copies in the US.
476
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Invincible? I don't think so.
477
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760
The train keeps going.
478
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Where is the next stop
coming to, folks?
479
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Michael! Michael! Michael!
480
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Michael! Michael! Michael!
Michael! Michael!
481
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Jackson shocked the world,
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00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,320
dangling his own son
from high atop a hotel balcony.
483
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Once I saw him dangling his child,
484
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640
I mean that was game,
set match point for me.
485
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600
That man shouldn't be
around children.
486
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,120
What's with your brother?
487
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,200
My brother is not a crazy character.
488
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,640
He is not the Wacko Jacko
that people say.
489
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,800
He was just caught up
in the moment.
490
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,600
Michael calls Jermaine
after the Larry King interview
491
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960
and says, you know,
"Don't do any more interviews
492
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,840
"I have something coming up,
493
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,040
"it is going to just blow
everyone away.
494
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,360
"People are going to be amazed.
495
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680
"They are going to be shocked
with what I got coming."
496
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,360
He talked about what turned out
to be The Martin Bashir documentary.
497
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,240
I started getting calls from someone
who worked with Martin Bashir,
498
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,800
his Jewish producer trying, like,
to pull the Jewish card.
499
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,640
"Hi, Shmuley. You're a Rabbi.
500
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,560
"You therefore have to help me
get my boss Martin Bashir
501
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,840
"to interview Michael Jackson,"
502
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,160
and I went to Michael, and I said,
"I don't know Martin Bashir,
503
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,760
"but the thing he did
with Diana was not good."
504
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,880
Bombshell after Bombshell dropped
by the Princess of Wales
505
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,840
in her first-ever prime time
television interview.
506
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,240
A British public unaccustomed
to television therapy sessions
507
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,280
heard their fairy tale princess
508
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,120
admit to having an extra marital
affair, an eating disorder.
509
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,560
I have known the Jackson family
for going on close
510
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,920
to half a century.
511
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,480
I was the attorney
to the family for many years
512
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,280
{\an8}and I knew all about
the Martin Bashir documentary
513
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,360
{\an8}way far in advance.
514
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Michael's managers asked Michael
if there were any children
515
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,440
that they could bring to Neverland
Ranch to film for the documentary,
516
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,760
and Gavin Arvizo's name came up.
517
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,920
Michael hadn't seen Gavin
for a year and half.
518
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,800
So many people warned him,
519
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,320
"Don't do the Martin Bashir
documentary. Don't do it.
520
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400
"He will hurt Michael.
521
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,400
"He hurt Princess Diana.
522
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,120
"Diana divorced Charles as a result,
523
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160
"and you are going to do
a documentary
524
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,360
"with Martin Bashir, Michael?
525
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,440
"Don't do it, Michael."
526
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,960
There's a nervousness,
a very nervous, tense vibe
527
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,240
about him doing this documentary
at Neverland, right?
528
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,520
This is an indicator that people
are nervous
529
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,760
about what Michael
could be doing or saying,
530
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,080
because you can't control him.
531
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,160
What happens when you spend eight
months with Michael Jackson?
532
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,320
ABC Start dropping
amazing commercials.
533
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400
See for yourself.
534
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,120
It's Michael Jackson.
535
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,320
It looked like it was
going to be a phenomenal show -
536
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,000
and everyone is excited.
537
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,240
The family's excited,
Jermaine is excited.
538
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,320
A two-hour event you have
to see it to believe.
539
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,040
You know, a global audience
is watching this.
540
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Michael Jackson's star has been
falling for some time,
541
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680
but the anticipation ahead of this
documentary is now immense.
542
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320
When Living With Michael Jackson
airs this evening,
543
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,640
these streets are
going to be deserted.
544
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Fans and critics alike are saying
they're going to staying in
545
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,040
to watch the programme.
546
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,560
With his reputation in America
very much at stake,
547
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,840
for Michael Jackson,
it must be a nervous wait.
548
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
I went to Hayvenhurst,
the Jacksons' home.
549
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,640
I sit down in the living room there
550
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,320
and, you know, Katherine
comes down the stairs,
551
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840
this winding staircase
and she comes down.
552
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,960
You know, Jermaine is sitting on
the couch next to me
553
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,880
and we're talking,
and there's a big television there,
554
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,840
and we watched the Martin Bashir
documentary,
555
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,560
and I'll never forget it.
556
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,760
Eight months ago, I put a proposal
to Michael Jackson -
557
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,480
show me the real man,
but show me everything.
558
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,280
My boyfriend called and said,
559
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,240
"Have you seen this special
with Michael Jackson?"
560
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,240
I said, "No, my VCR recorded it."
561
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,840
Jimmy said, "Gavin's in it,"
562
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,960
and my heart just sank,
563
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880
because that didn't sound like
a good idea.
564
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,120
I'm staying in this little
crappy hotel one night.
565
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,000
I think it was in
the South somewhere.
566
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,680
And it's going to be on.
"Should I watch it?
567
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,960
"No, Shmuley don't succumb
to temptation, don't watch it,
568
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,680
"because you know to is
going to upset you,"
569
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:11,840
but I watched it.
570
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,800
Did I believe that Martin Bashir
was there to make Michael look good?
571
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,680
No, I did not.
572
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,760
- Come on, show me.
- I'm going to show you.
573
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,880
This is Michael Jackson's
favourite shop in Las Vegas,
574
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,360
with the luckiest manager
in the world.
575
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,720
I bought that.
576
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,400
You bought that?
577
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Michael's life was not ready
to be opened to the public -
578
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,760
because he would wake up every day
579
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,040
at six in the afternoon,
stay up the entire night,
580
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000
you know - and he was blowing money
581
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360
to compensate for feelings of
maybe worthlessness.
582
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,560
This chess set.
Isn't it beautiful, this set?
583
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,440
And that's what you saw
on that stupid documentary.
584
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,960
He goes in and spends $6 million
585
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,880
on total garbage
he probably never saw again.
586
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,320
- Oh, it's sold, look.
- I bought this one, right?
- Uh-huh.
587
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,600
- Is this yours?
- Yeah, that's
the sold sign, means it for me.
588
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,920
OK, How much is that one?
589
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,840
- Oh...
- Did we ever get this one,
these ones?
590
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,360
It's only 89,000.
591
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,400
Being able to have a front row seat
with his family,
592
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480
and seeing their reaction,
593
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,520
I'll never forget,
where Michael tells Martin Bashir
594
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,720
that he's climbing a tree...
595
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Let me hold the umbrella.
596
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,640
- Yeah.
- You go and climb it,
and when you've climbed it,
597
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,200
let's see how inspiring it is.
598
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,320
..and Joseph, of course,
599
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640
like, "What is wrong with that boy?"
600
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,040
You know?
601
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,240
Jermaine was like,
"This kid is crazy.
602
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,520
"He is out of his mind."
603
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Having water ballon fights
and climbing trees.
604
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040
I think those two are my favourite.
605
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,280
Don't you prefer making love, or...
606
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,480
- Hmm?
- ..going to a concert?
607
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,360
And he's saying he would rather
climb a tree than have sex.
608
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,840
This grown man?!
They were horrified.
609
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Michael Jackson was, socially,
not like you or like I.
610
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,520
Michael was in a
different class of human.
611
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,720
I think that's why Martin Bashir
didn't understand Michael.
612
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160
I think that's why most journalists
didn't understand Michael.
613
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,720
Like most Martin Bashir productions,
80% of it is really great.
614
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Oh, you know how to do
a moonwalk.
615
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,640
I learned it from you guys.
616
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Playing with kids and
comforting them, that's great.
617
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,240
Oh, don't stand up yet. Hold on.
618
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,840
And 20% of it...is like getting
shot in the head,
619
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,120
especially the interview
the Arvizo family.
620
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,120
{\an1}THEY SING
621
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,720
And then I met 12-year old Gavin
and his brother and sister.
622
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,880
And then there was a scene where we
see this young boy, Gavin Arvizo,
623
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,640
who, supposedly,
Michael helped cure his cancer.
624
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520
It was like, "OK, they might
make something of this."
625
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,600
There was one night where I asked
him if I could stay in his bedroom
626
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,040
and he let me stay in the bedroom.
627
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,560
I was like, "Michael you can
sleep on the bed."
628
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,680
Wow. I just remember looking
at Joseph's face,
629
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,600
and Jermaine's face, Katherine -
630
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,720
they were stunned.
631
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,600
And then he finally said,
"OK, if you love me,
632
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,520
"you'll sleep on the bed."
633
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600
I was like, "Oh, man!"
634
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120
and so I finally slept on the bed.
635
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,640
But it was fun, that night.
636
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,280
I slept on the floor.
637
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,640
It was like,
"What the heck was that?"
638
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,880
{\an8}and you see Gavin put his head
on Michael's shoulder,
639
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,480
{\an8}and there was this cloud
that came over the living room.
640
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,240
{\an8}Why can't you share your bed?
641
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,400
{\an8}The most loving thing to do
is to share your bed with someone.
642
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,760
{\an8}- You know?
- You really think that?
643
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,000
{\an8}Yeah.
644
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,280
{\an8}My mouth was agape.
645
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Did you just say that it is OK
for an adult to share a bed
646
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,600
with a child that is not their own?
647
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,400
It was, for me,
as if he had fallen and crashed.
648
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,400
But haven't you got a spare room,
649
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360
or a spare house here
where he could've stayed?
650
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,560
Yeah, but - no... Yes, we have guest
units, but whenever kids come here,
651
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,520
they always want to stay with me.
652
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,680
I thought, "Man he is really
a glutton for punishment here,"
653
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,880
and the Jacksons knew
it was a problem.
654
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,840
They knew, based on what they had
already went through with Michael
655
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,480
with Jordan Chandler,
656
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,240
that somebody is going to say
something about this.
657
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,680
This is going to be
a media talking point.
658
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,840
The documentary was pretty shocking.
659
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,000
I was worried that Michael
was using Gavin
660
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,920
to normalise his lifestyle,
661
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,200
sleeping with children
he is not related to.
662
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,480
That's sort of the narcissist
at work.
663
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,760
They always just want to stay.
664
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,840
They say, "Can I stay
with you tonight?"
665
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,720
I go, "If it's OK with your parents,
yes, you can."
666
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,720
But whatever he was trying to do
with Martin Bashir had back-fired,
667
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:09,200
and it's Michael Jackson's brand
that's at stake here.
668
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,040
That's big.
669
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,680
Pop star Michael Jackson drops one
bombshell after another
670
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,040
about his bizarre behaviour.
671
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,840
{\an8}Millions of people were watching
672
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,600
{\an8}as Jackson revealed he allows
young children to sleep his bed.
673
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,960
What kind of loony would, A, do it,
674
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,960
and, B, go on national TV
and admit it?
675
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,760
Michael made tragic,
horrific mistakes.
676
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,800
What are you doing alone with
a kid in your bed,
677
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,240
even if it's not physical or sexual?
678
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,600
{\an8}The next day, I decided
I had to make a statement.
679
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,440
{\an8}Those of us who were once in
Michael's circle, or still are,
680
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,400
{\an8}enough of the defence - we have to
save this man from self-destructing.
681
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,760
We went into red alert,
all hands of deck.
682
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,640
What can we do from
a public relations standpoint
683
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,400
to help Michael?
684
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,880
{\an8}Every time we trust the media
to do something for us,
685
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920
{\an8}they turn around
and they do us wrong.
686
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,520
{\an8}They feel burned by the media?
687
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,320
They feel very burned by the media.
688
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,360
It caused a worldwide commotion.
689
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,320
27 million people watched that show.
690
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,840
{\an8}Gavin Arvizo put his head to his
left on Michael's right shoulder.
691
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,760
Michael told me that when
the kid did that,
692
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,600
he was furious.
693
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,200
"He's putting his head
on my shoulder?
694
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,360
"What is going on here?
This is going to be terrible!"
695
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,680
Michael knew it right away.
696
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,360
Did Bashir tell him to do that?
697
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,600
Well, that's the word that I got.
698
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Do I know that for a fact?
No, I do not.
699
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,560
You had to know that Martin Bashir
was going to be Martin Bashir,
700
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,720
and Martin Bashir bullshit
was going to come out with it.
701
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,000
And anything that was reasonable
and not provocative
702
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,320
was going to be left on
the editing room floor.
703
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Now Michael Jackson
is fighting back,
704
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,760
releasing some of the interview
with the British journalist.
705
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,000
As it turns out,
Michael's personal videographer
706
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,240
was videotaping Martin Bashir.
707
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,120
And we started going to media
outlets with that footage.
708
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Here's some of what you didn't see.
709
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,920
Your relationship with your children
is spectacular...
710
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,640
I love them.
711
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,880
..and, in fact, it almost makes me
weep when I see you with them,
712
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,960
because your interaction with them
is just so natural,
713
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,200
- so loving, so caring.
- Thank you.
714
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,200
Well, that's not quite how it came
out on television, is it?
715
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,440
It was quite a production.
716
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,560
You gotta give the devil his due.
717
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,240
Martin Bashir did
an incredible job.
718
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560
We are at DEFCON 12,000,
719
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,640
and we don't know what
the possible kickback,
720
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,520
blowback from this event
is going to be.
721
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,840
- Are we on camera?
- Yeah.
- Oh!
722
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,840
We don't know this family very well,
723
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,720
we don't know
what their motivations are.
724
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,800
I thought, we want to keep them as
far away from the tabloids
725
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,520
and people with cheques as possible.
726
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,960
What are some of the things
that people say about Michael
727
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,880
that are true or aren't true?
728
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,320
Don't believe what they say.
729
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,120
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