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SARAH: Out of the blue,
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this handsome, gorgeous man
appeared.
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INTERVIEWER:
You're living the fairy tale.
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TOMMY: To the happy couple.
Cheers.
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Well, you know our Tommy.
Can't say no to a pretty face.
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Unless
they're trying to tie him down.
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JANE: Get out of the strip club
and call me back.
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You can't just ignore me, Tommy!
It's not funny. Argh!
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SIMON: You said
certain things happened
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in your childhood that your parents
didn't want to know about.
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Do you feel
that's what's happening here?
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I have tried to kill myself
in the past.
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I just need to know
you're not using me.
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I wouldn't do that.
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Things seem to be going much better
between the two of you.
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I think he may be planning
to propose when we're in France.
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Mum said you're buying
a place in the Cotswolds?
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He's always had
an excellent head for business.
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Sorry,
so the cottage is for your mother?
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Loony Bin Jane. I'll just
jump in the river, shall I?
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That'll solve all your problems,
won't it, Tommy? You're insane.
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If we were married,
you wouldn't treat me like this.
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But you'd rather
just keep stringing me along
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as long as Tommy gets what he wants!
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You are sick, do you know that?
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Shut up! Will you SHUT UP?!
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There's something deeply wrong
with you.
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'What is it
you want the police to do?'
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I would like someone
to stop us hurting each other.
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If you don't have somebody here
soon, somebody is.
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We're three days
into a national manhunt
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and still no closer
to bringing her in.
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SMART: 'If she's taking risks,
maybe she intends
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'to be dead
before we can get to her.'
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BIRDSONG
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They found the car.
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Local bobby spotted
the licence plate from the road.
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Is she in it?
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We don't know yet.
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Parked in a lay-by.
No signs of movement.
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He's asking if he should approach?
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Yeah. Tell him yes,
but with caution.
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Jane?
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Jane Andrews?
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MUFFLED: Are you OK?
Can you open this door?
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Jane?
KNOCKING
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STEADY BEEP
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DOUGLAS CLEARS THROAT
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I'm Detective Chief Inspector
Keith Douglas,
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attached to the Serious Crime Group.
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The other officer is...
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Detective Sergeant Kay Smart,
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also attached
to the Serious Crime Group.
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We are in the interview room
at Bloomsbury Police Station,
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and I am interviewing...
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Please could you state
your full name?
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Jane Dawn Elizabeth Andrews.
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Whatever happened between them,
it couldn't have been deliberate.
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I mean, Janey can't have been
in her right mind.
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MAN: Cut there.
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Just one moment, Francesca.
Was that not...
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That was great. We just need
to check your mic for sound.
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Oh, OK.
Yeah, we're all good.
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So, if you can go back
to before Tommy's death,
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did you ever think
he might be in danger?
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SHE SIGHS
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You have to remember...
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...she really did love him.
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She was a woman scorned,
and she took her revenge.
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I think she was telling the truth.
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She was prepared to say anything
to save her skin.
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You've told us
that after Thomas Cressman's call
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to the emergency services,
the arguments continued,
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and then you decided
to leave the house.
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You drove around for a while,
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and, following a phone conversation
with Mr Cressman,
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you decided to return.
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Is that right?
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Yes.
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He said to come home, so I did.
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And when you got back,
there was another big row,
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and you went up to bed.
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Yes.
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And I tried to go to sleep.
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But he curled up next to me
and said...
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..."Oh, come on.
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"I want to have sex with you.
You know you like it."
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And then he...
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sort of grabbed me...
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...and, well, I was,
I was frightened, so I went down...
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...and I got the cricket bat.
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Just to place next to the bed.
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Protect myself.
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But then Tommy woke up, and he...
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was going on
about how horrible I was.
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And he kneed me in the back.
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And...
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I should've just left.
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But I went down.
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And I saw... I saw the knife...
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...on the draining board.
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I thought if he did anything,
I-I'd just say...
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"Look, I've got a knife.
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"Don't touch me."
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And then, eventually,
I went to sleep.
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And he just started hitting me.
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So I picked up the bat,
and I hit him,
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and he was lashing out at me,
and he was pulling my hair out.
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So I grabbed the knife.
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And he just came at me, and I...
I didn't know what was happening.
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I just remember him falling down,
so I ran out of the room.
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And then I panicked,
so I got in my car, and I just...
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...I just drove and drove and drove.
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SHE SNIFFLES
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So, after leaving the house,
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you made a number of calls and sent
a number of text messages...
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...where you seemed unaware
of what happened to Mr Cressman.
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Were you trying
to convince your friends
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that his death
was nothing to do with you?
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No, I just...
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I didn't know he was dead.
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'Denying it,
claiming it was an accident.
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'Her story was all over the place
from the start.'
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Well, if in doubt,
play the self-defence card.
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But we had what we needed,
so we charged her with murder.
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The only surprise
was that she got bail.
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Janey?
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Brought you a cup of tea, love.
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Thanks, Mum.
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You're settling in, then.
That's good.
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That, erm...
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That lady solicitor called.
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She wants you to ring her back
about a meeting next week.
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OK.
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Does that mean you have
to go back down to London?
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I guess so.
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They said they'd sort somewhere
for me to stay.
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Where did Dad put my sewing machine?
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Ah, it's on the landing.
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She sounded very on the ball,
the solicitor.
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I'm sure she'll be able
to sort things out.
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That's not really how it works, Mum.
She can't just "sort it out".
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But it wasn't your fault, was it?
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I mean, it's like you say,
it was an accident.
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You didn't mean for it to happen.
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No, of course not.
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Do we still have
that gingham cotton that I bought?
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The pale blue one?
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I don't know.
It might be in the airing cupboard.
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HE KNOCKS
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All right, Jane, love?
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This just came for you.
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'I told her you'd be welcome
to stay with us during the trial.'
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Especially after reading such
diabolical things in the papers.
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I've been trying not to look.
Of course.
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I knew there had to be more to it.
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All this talk
of premeditated murder -
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it simply didn't ring true.
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It's not.
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I loved Tommy.
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I never meant to hurt him.
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That's what I told the police.
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I was just trying
to get away from him.
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I had no idea he was badly hurt.
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I thought I'd just
given him a scratch.
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A scratch?
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Oh, you poor thing.
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And did the Duchess
really contact you?
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While you were on the run?
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Yes.
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Yes, she did.
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Well, that's quite something.
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Clearly, she still cares about you.
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I know.
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I'm making matching gingham dresses
for Beatrice and Eugenie.
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Are you?
As a thank-you.
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How sweet.
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Coffee, darling?
Please.
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Thank you so much for this.
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I really appreciate you both
letting me stay.
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Well, Roger and I are happy to help.
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Pay no attention.
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At the end of the day, it doesn't
matter what rubbish they print.
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No, you're right.
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You just tell the truth,
and it'll all come out in the wash.
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I've always had the utmost faith
in British justice.
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REPORTERS CLAMOUR
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Do you expect to
get away with murder, do you, Jane?
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'Everyone had made up their minds -
the press, the public.'
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They cast her
as this "bunny boiler".
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'There she was on every front page,
just like when she was with Fergie.'
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I'm sure she was lapping it up.
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'Head to toe in black.'
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Like she was
some sort of grieving widow.
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I mean, seriously?
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Poor thing must've been terrified.
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There is no doubt
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as to the identity
of Thomas Cressman's killer.
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Jane Andrews wielded the bat
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and held the knife.
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The real question we must consider
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is why she committed
these violent acts.
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And on this occasion,
we need not look far for motive,
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for, as you will see,
hers was the classic one
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of the jilted and betrayed lover.
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Having learnt that Mr Cressman
no longer intended to marry her,
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she returned to that house
with one thought in mind.
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Namely...
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to take her revenge
by ending his life.
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Now, the defence
will try and persuade you
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that Miss Andrews
was acting in self-defence,
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that she was afraid
for her own safety.
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And in order to support this,
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they will paint
a picture of the deceased
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that bears no relation to the truth.
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Indeed, the evidence will show you
that it was, in fact, Jane herself
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who was the controlling
and, ultimately, violent partner
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in this relationship,
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a relationship
that was brutally ended
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by a cold-blooded,
premeditated murder.
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MURMURS FROM GALLERY
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The, erm, body of the deceased
was in a very awkward position,
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wedged between the bed and the wall.
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We could see that he'd been stabbed
in the chest, and his hands were...
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...like this.
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Er, almost as if
he was trying to...
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cover the wound,
or extract the knife from his body.
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And can you describe the knife
that you found at the scene?
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It was a kitchen knife
with an eight-inch blade,
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and it had been taken
from the block in the kitchen.
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Well, it appeared that Mr Cressman
had also been hit over the head
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with a cricket bat and stunned,
prior to being stabbed.
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Was there any sign that Mr Cressman
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had attempted to defend himself
against the attack?
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No, there was not.
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No defensive wounds
were found on his body.
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No defensive wounds,
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suggesting that Tommy was
defenceless when the attack came.
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Well...
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I'm sure things will go better
this afternoon.
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I'm sure they will.
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'Seeing her in court was pretty
unpleasant, as you can imagine.'
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But someone needed
to speak for Tommy.
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What did you make of Jane Andrews
when she and Tom first began dating?
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I was aware of who she was
and where she'd worked,
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and I think that had maybe
impressed Tom a bit.
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And I'm sure
she was attracted to him.
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But I think, ultimately, she was
very attracted to his lifestyle.
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Did you have any misgivings
about the relationship?
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It was kind of full-on
from the start.
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Jane became increasingly possessive.
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She basically gave him no space.
253
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,959
And how did Tommy respond when
faced with this kind of behaviour?
254
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,960
Erm, Tommy was
an incredibly gentle kind of guy.
255
00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,959
Plus, he was worried
about what she would do.
256
00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,960
MURMURS FROM GALLERY
257
00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,960
I could've done that for you.
It's fine, Mum. It's done now.
258
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,960
This house is something else.
259
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,959
You'll have to buy Aleksandra
a present to say thank you
260
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,160
when all this is...
261
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,960
...you know.
I shall when I get a chance.
262
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,960
Everything's gonna be all right,
you'll see.
263
00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,960
And tomorrow,
you'll tell your side of the story.
264
00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:32,960
Put things straight.
265
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,960
Mum, tomorrow, there's going to be
things... you won't want to hear.
266
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,960
Right.
267
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,959
Things that happened to me
when I was young.
268
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:51,959
Oh, Jane, I...
269
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,160
So if you'd rather not be there,
you and Dad...
270
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,480
No.
271
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,960
No, we'll be there.
272
00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,960
You just...
273
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,960
You say what you have to.
274
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,960
Miss Andrews.
275
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,639
Before dealing
with the events of that night,
276
00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,960
I want to deal briefly
with your medical history.
277
00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,959
In the spring of 1999,
278
00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,639
did you undergo a few sessions
with a private psychotherapist?
279
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,799
Yes, I did.
280
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,959
Tom arranged them for me.
281
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,960
And what was the particular focus
of the psychotherapy?
282
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,320
To deal with my abuse as a child.
283
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,959
And the abuse to which you refer,
284
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,959
was it sexual abuse?
285
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,959
Yes.
MURMURS FROM GALLERY
286
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,960
At about what age,
so far as you were concerned?
287
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,959
About eight years old.
288
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,959
Am I right in saying you do not wish
to say who was involved in that?
289
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:41,959
That is correct.
290
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,959
But am I right that we are not
talking about parental abuse?
291
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,959
That's right, yes.
292
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,959
So, during your relationship
with Thomas Cressman,
293
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,959
you were still dealing
with the effects of that abuse.
294
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,959
This left you with
a heightened perception of threat.
295
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,959
Is that right?
296
00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,999
Yes.
297
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,959
And in a high-stress situation,
298
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,959
you would find yourself less able
to make rational judgements,
299
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,959
instead, finding yourself in a...
300
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,959
a sort of "grey mist"
of helplessness.
301
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:11,960
Is that right?
302
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:13,960
Yes, that's true.
303
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,959
Can you now tell me about
your relationship with Mr Cressman?
304
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,959
Tommy and I were together
for nearly two years.
305
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,960
I was devoted to him.
306
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,959
But, in terms of your sex life,
307
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,959
would it be correct to say
that you were...
308
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,959
relatively innocent
and straight-laced, sexually,
309
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,959
whereas Thomas
was relatively adventurous?
310
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,959
Yes, that's true.
311
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,959
In what ways, Miss Andrews,
312
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,960
was Thomas "relatively adventurous",
so far as you were concerned?
313
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,319
He would want
to have anal sex with me.
314
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,959
MURMURS FROM GALLERY
315
00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,319
And he wanted me to dress up
in kinky clothing.
316
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,479
You also discovered
sexually explicit emails
317
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,960
on Mr Cressman's computer,
did you not?
318
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,319
Did you take these to imply
319
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,959
that Mr Cressman was no longer
committed to your relationship?
320
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,959
What was his attitude
to your future together?
321
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,960
He was committed.
322
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,960
But he had periods of...
323
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,480
...confusing moments on his part...
324
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,159
...where he would say
that he needed space.
325
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,479
And this caused rows between you?
326
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,640
Yes.
327
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,000
Because I would...
push him to find out...
328
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,959
...where our future was going.
329
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,959
And are we talking merely about rows
where people shout at each other,
330
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,959
or was there, on occasion,
more than that?
331
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,959
Yes.
332
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,960
In the sense that...?
333
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,799
That he hit me.
334
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,959
And, on another occasion
when we were arguing,
335
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:04,959
he pushed me down the stairs.
336
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,960
GASPS, MURMURS
337
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,959
Well, we'd been warned
338
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,959
that things were probably
gonna get pretty nasty.
339
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,960
And, er, so it began.
340
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,319
Well, now we come to the rows
between yourself and Tom
341
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,960
on Saturday the 16th of September,
last year.
342
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,959
Yes.
343
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,959
The Saturday morning,
344
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:33,959
he calls and tells me
things with Jane were just awful.
345
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,959
He sounded stressed and hassled.
346
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,160
I told him if they got married,
this is how it would be.
347
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,959
She was just too hysterical.
348
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,959
I asked him what had started
the argument,
349
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,959
and he said that she wanted to know
if they were getting married,
350
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,959
and he told her that she wasn't...
351
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,479
stable enough
to be the mother of his children.
352
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,959
Was there one aspect of those rows
353
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,960
which you did not
tell the police about?
354
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,000
On Saturday morning...
355
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,960
...he put a pillow over my head...
356
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,960
...and tied me to the bed.
357
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,160
His full weight was on top of me.
358
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,479
And he anally raped me.
359
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,160
SHOCKED CHATTER
FROM GALLERY
360
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,959
DOUGLAS: 'I mean, they basically
threw everything at it.'
361
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,319
But to say...
362
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,959
she was raped, you know,
and-and like that, I mean...
363
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,319
To be honest,
it was just disgusting.
364
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,960
Vile...
365
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,960
...despicable lies.
366
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,479
I don't know.
367
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,959
Miss Andrews,
when you placed a knife by your bed,
368
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,959
what exactly
did you fear might happen?
369
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,959
I was afraid that
he was going to rape me again,
370
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,959
like he had that morning.
371
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,959
And when he began to attack you,
you tried to ward him off.
372
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,959
First with a blow
from the cricket bat,
373
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,960
and when that failed,
you took up the knife.
374
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,959
Yes.
Did you, however,
375
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,960
intend that Thomas Cressman
be stabbed with it?
376
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,320
No, not at all.
377
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,960
We just...
378
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,959
...came together, and the next thing
I knew, he was on top of me.
379
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960
And that's the point
the knife went in?
380
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,960
And at that stage, did you know
how badly injured he was?
381
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,960
No.
382
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,000
I just panicked.
383
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,960
I crawled out from underneath him
and ran out of the room.
384
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,960
I was terrified
that he was going to come after me.
385
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,960
So I took my dressing gown cord
and tied the door.
386
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,959
I couldn't think.
387
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,320
So, one might say
you were in a "grey mist"?
388
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,959
Yes.
389
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,160
And as you left the house, was
there any sight or sound from Tom?
390
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,960
No.
391
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,480
No, there was nothing.
392
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960
That's when I realised
he must be dead.
393
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,959
ALEKSANDRA: 'Well, you see,
394
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,959
'that's when her story
really began to change.
395
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,959
'This was quite different
to the tale I'd been told.'
396
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,960
And I realised that I had made
a dreadful mistake.
397
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,000
There are one or two things
that are a bit... confusing.
398
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,960
What do you mean?
399
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,959
Well, you said yourself
400
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,640
you'd told differing versions
to different people.
401
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Yes, because I was confused.
402
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,959
And scared.
403
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,960
Right.
404
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,160
It's just, you told me that you
thought you'd given him a scratch.
405
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,959
But then, today,
406
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,640
you said you knew he was dead
before you left the house.
407
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,960
I know. I just...
408
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,960
...couldn't even admit it to myself.
409
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,959
You know, Roger and I
have been talking,
410
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960
and he feels, we both feel...
411
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,959
...that, actually,
it might be more appropriate
412
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,319
for you to move into a hotel
for the remainder of the trial.
413
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Maybe tomorrow?
414
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,959
I see.
415
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,959
It's just simpler all round.
416
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Don't you think?
417
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,959
Oh, hello.
SHE GIGGLES
418
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960
You're doing a very good job.
419
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
SHE SNIFFLES
420
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,800
So, Miss Andrews.
421
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,959
You left the house
in the early hours of Sunday morning
422
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,999
and spent the next
two and a half days
423
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,959
driving round the country.
424
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,960
During which time,
as far, as far as you knew...
425
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,959
...nobody had found Tom's body.
426
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,959
Why not tell someone?
427
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,479
Even as you were keying in messages
428
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,959
and speaking to people
on your phone,
429
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,960
why did you not say
this man was lying there, dying?
430
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960
I didn't want anybody to think
I'd fled the scene.
431
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,959
Left Tom to die in that room.
432
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,959
Oh, so the messages
were calculated to mislead?
433
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,960
No.
434
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,959
I know it's absurd.
It doesn't make any sense.
435
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,959
No, no, it-it makes perfect sense.
436
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,959
This was no "grey mist",
er, whatever that may be.
437
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,319
Rather, you were
deliberately attempting
438
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,959
to mislead your friends
and former husband.
439
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,959
And now you've told this court
that you'd been admitted
440
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,959
to Charing Cross Hospital
after falling down some stairs.
441
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,959
Tommy pushed me down the stairs.
I was very upset.
442
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,959
But you never told that
to any doctor,
443
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,959
to any police officer, did you?
444
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,959
Just as you never told anyone
about the occasion
445
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,959
you say you got a bruise
on your head because he hit you.
446
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,959
No. Because I was too ashamed.
447
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,319
But when you're talking
to the police,
448
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,959
this is not a time for shame.
449
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,959
Is it?
450
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,959
I just wanted to get the interview
over and done with.
451
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,959
But what was the reason that
you failed to mention something
452
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,959
that you now rely on in this court?
453
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,959
Namely, that earlier that day,
454
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,960
he had had sexual intercourse
with you by force?
455
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,959
Because I was totally ashamed
and embarrassed.
456
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,999
You were seen three times by a
woman doctor at the police station.
457
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,959
It was a private examination.
458
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,959
You could've drawn attention,
if you wished,
459
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,959
to anything that had happened to you
that you felt
460
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,959
might be relevant to the trouble
that you were facing.
461
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,639
But you did not draw
anyone's attention to it, did you?
462
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,959
I was too traumatised
by the whole thing.
463
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,639
Ah, well, you were in a fit state
to be interviewed
464
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,959
and to explain all you did
to the police.
465
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,479
Why not explain to the doctor,
466
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,959
"I've been raped,
467
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,959
"and there will be physical signs
of that, if you have a look."?
468
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,159
I physically could not.
469
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,959
You didn't tell anyone about it
470
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,959
because it's completely invented,
that story.
471
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,999
In fact,
both stories about anal rape,
472
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,959
in the morning and the alleged
second attempt that evening,
473
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,319
completely invented, are they not?
474
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,959
No, not at all.
475
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,159
Ever since your arrest,
476
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,959
you have fabricated a succession
of contradictory stories
477
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,799
in a blatant attempt to escape blame
478
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,959
for Thomas Cressman's death,
have you not?
479
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,959
No, that's not true.
480
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,959
Even now, the evidence
you've presented here in court
481
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,639
is riddled with inconsistencies.
482
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,959
You claim that Mr Cressman
attacked you that morning,
483
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,639
and, as a result, you left the house
for several hours.
484
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,959
But then you chose to return.
485
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,959
You claim that you feared
further sexual assault,
486
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,959
yet in the next breath, you say
you happily took off your clothes
487
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,959
and got into bed beside him.
488
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,960
Why would you do that?
489
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,960
Tom wanted me to sleep in his bed.
490
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,959
I couldn't say no.
491
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,959
So, you are afraid for your safety,
492
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,959
yet you left the bedroom
multiple times,
493
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,959
went up and down the stairs,
494
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,959
first to fetch a bat,
later to arm yourself with a knife,
495
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,959
which means that at any point,
you could've left that house again,
496
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,959
but you chose not to.
497
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,959
Now, that makes no sense, does it?
498
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,959
I was afraid of what Tommy might do.
499
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,999
Meanwhile, y-your description
of the attack has changed.
500
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,799
When talking to the police,
501
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,959
you said that Mr Cressman said
he was going to hurt you.
502
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,959
However, as soon as you reach court,
you're claiming
503
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,959
he shouted that he was
going to "fucking kill you".
504
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,959
You claimed initially you thought
you'd just given him "a scratch",
505
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,479
but now you say
you were so covered in blood
506
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,479
that you assumed he must be dead.
507
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,960
Not one word of it rings true.
508
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,960
It's... hard to remember.
509
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,959
Everything just happened so fast.
510
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,959
Right.
511
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,799
We earlier heard that
512
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,959
Tom had arranged
for you to see a psychiatrist
513
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,959
to help with your, er, problems.
514
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960
What problems were they, again?
515
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,479
Er, my child abuse.
516
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,959
Oh, yeah. The child abuse you've now
chosen to reveal in court.
517
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,959
No, that's... And about which
you refuse to disclose any details.
518
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,159
I don't want to.
Which is entirely your right.
519
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,959
But it seems convenient,
does it not,
520
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,959
to present us with an allegation
521
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,480
which has never been
officially made, nor legally proven?
522
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Do you want a break?
523
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Ten minutes, members of the jury.
524
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,960
GRAHAM-LLOYD:
Jane, are you all right?
525
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,960
Antibiotics.
526
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,960
Doctor says
it's just a low-grade infection.
527
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
You must've been feeling poorly
for days.
528
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,000
A bit.
529
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,959
Bless you.
530
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,959
Us women just soldier on, don't we?
531
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,960
We have to.
532
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,960
DOOR OPENS
533
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Would the foreman of the jury
please stand?
534
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,959
Have you reached a verdict?
Yes.
535
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,999
On the count of murder,
536
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,960
do you find the defendant,
Jane Andrews, guilty or not guilty?
537
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,999
Guilty.
538
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,960
VOICES FADE
539
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,959
I think she honestly thought
she'd get away with it.
540
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,959
CHATTER
541
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,960
SOBBING: Oh, God. Oh, Tommy.
542
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,800
Jane Andrews.
543
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,959
In killing the man you loved,
544
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,960
you ended his life
and ruined your own.
545
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,959
'It is evident
that you made your attack on him
546
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,639
'when you were consumed
with anger and bitterness.
547
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,959
'But nothing could justify
what you did.'
548
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,639
DOOR SLAMS
549
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,959
'Even if you were feeling wronged
and were emotionally vulnerable,
550
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,959
'you were attacking an unarmed man
551
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,799
'who had possibly been asleep
only a few minutes
552
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,959
'before you attacked him.
553
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,959
'You then left him to die
without remorse.'
554
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,959
REPORTERS CLAMOUR
555
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,959
'Therefore,
as your counsel recognises,
556
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,960
'there is only one sentence
I can place upon you...
557
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,960
'..and that is life imprisonment.'
558
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,959
People don't believe her. But...
559
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960
that doesn't mean
Jane isn't telling the truth.
560
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,959
It just means people
don't WANT to believe her.
561
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,959
There's no excuse for what she did,
562
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,159
and I know no-one
wants to speak ill of the dead,
563
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,959
but Tom wasn't an angel.
564
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,160
And Janey wasn't a monster, either.
565
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,159
The whole thing is just
terribly, terribly sad.
566
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,959
The fact is, she's a murderer.
However you wanna look at it.
567
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,959
She was a woman scorned,
568
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,959
and she took Thomas Cressman's life
in anger.
569
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,799
And even that wasn't enough for her.
570
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,960
She had to try
and destroy his good name.
571
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,159
But, you know,
at the end of the day,
572
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,960
we didn't let her get away with it.
573
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,320
Any other personal items?
574
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Oh, no, you can keep that.
Well, unless it's valuable.
575
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,319
Er, no.
576
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,959
It's just...
577
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,959
it was a present from
The Duchess of York, actually.
578
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,960
No-one asked for your life story, love.
579
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,960
GUARD: Follow me.
580
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,480
LAUGHTER, CHATTER
581
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,959
INMATE 1:
Ey up, it's Fergie's bird!
582
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,319
INMATE 2:
Welcome home, Your Majesty.
583
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,639
LAUGHTER, JEERS
584
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,960
BANGING
585
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,959
INMATE 3: All right, Your Ladyship?
586
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,480
PRISONERS JEERING
587
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960
JEERS FADE
588
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960
MUFFLED BANGING
589
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960
So, how have you been this week?
590
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Pretty much the same.
591
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,959
Jane, as we discussed last time,
592
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
I think your earlier diagnosis
of depression was correct.
593
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,959
Right.
594
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,959
But now that
I'm getting to know you better,
595
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960
I think it possibly doesn't explain
everything you're dealing with.
596
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Have you ever heard of
borderline personality disorder?
597
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960
No, I don't think so.
598
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,999
Well, a person with BPD
599
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,959
often has a longstanding pattern
of thoughts and feelings
600
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,959
that probably began
when they were very young.
601
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,159
They experience
certain recurrent impulses
602
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,959
and ways of being in relationships
603
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,799
which often cause them
a lot of distress,
604
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,959
and which often involve
self-damaging behaviours.
605
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,960
So, things like
recurrent suicidal threats.
606
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,960
Does any of that
feel familiar to you?
607
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,960
I don't know.
608
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,960
Maybe.
609
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,480
OK.
610
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,799
Well, we often find that there are
other common behaviours too.
611
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,999
People with BPD
feel deeply entrenched shame.
612
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,999
So whenever they make mistakes
or have weaknesses,
613
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,959
they try very hard
to avoid admitting it.
614
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,960
And sometimes, that means they lie
so they don't have to face it.
615
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,960
Right.
616
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,959
But that doesn't mean
they're trying to deceive.
617
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,959
But they're a way of coping
when you're feeling a lot of pain.
618
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,999
It's a bit like going out in the sun
when you're already sunburnt.
619
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,959
If you're already feeling
emotionally raw,
620
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,960
you can't begin to make
healthy emotional connections.
621
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,999
So I need to stay out of the sun?
622
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,959
For now.
623
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,480
Well, that shouldn't be a problem.
624
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,959
Jane, with the right support,
625
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,960
you can begin to learn to control
your behavioural triggers.
626
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,959
It'll take work,
627
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,000
but I really think this could be
a whole fresh start for you.
628
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,959
JUNE: 'How are your sessions going
with Dr Chaudhry?'
629
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Yeah, good.
630
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,959
We're doing a lot of work
on my triggers,
631
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,000
identifying behavioural patterns,
you know?
632
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,959
Working through
why I do the things that I do.
633
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,959
I think it's really helping.
634
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,960
And...
635
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,959
...has there been any more news
about the appeal?
636
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,960
Mum, I told you. They said
it'd be ages before we hear.
637
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,959
But it should make a difference,
shouldn't it, this diagnosis?
638
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,960
It changes everything, really.
639
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,320
And the new solicitor thinks there
are new avenues that we can explore.
640
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,960
That's really good, Jane.
Mm.
641
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,160
'Can't believe
it's Christmas already.'
642
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,960
We had a card.
'Sorry?'
643
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,640
We had a Christmas card
from Mr and Mrs Cressman.
644
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,959
'They said they knew it would be
a difficult Christmas
645
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,960
'and they sent their best wishes,
and...
646
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,960
'That was...'
647
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,960
That... That was kind of them,
wasn't it?
648
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,959
I wondered if we...
649
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,959
Listen, Mum, I've got to go soon.
650
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,319
No, no, of course.
Er, J... Er, Jane?
651
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,959
'Jane, will we, erm, will we
speak to you on Christmas Day?'
652
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,640
'I hate to think of you all alone
in that place.'
653
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,159
Actually, I've made a new friend.
654
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,960
'Oh.'
655
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Well, more of a pen pal.
656
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,959
'The way she's been portrayed,
as completely hard and unfeeling -
657
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,799
'that's not Janey.'
658
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,960
If anything,
she feels things much too deeply.
659
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,959
She had all these...
660
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,959
lovely dreams
of a great fairy tale romance,
661
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,160
and when that fell apart,
so did she.
662
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,960
The fact is that woman...
663
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,960
...never showed any remorse.
664
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,960
Not to me...
665
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:36,960
...or to my family.
666
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,959
'So, if you ask me,
they should never let her out.
667
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,960
'And any man
who gets involved with her...
668
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,960
'..should be very, very careful.'
669
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
I miss Tommy every single day.
670
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,960
The sound of his voice.
671
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,960
The way he laughed.
672
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,960
SHE LAUGHS
Silly jokes.
673
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,960
He had this incredible gift
for living.
674
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,960
He was my... my beautiful boy.
675
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,959
And now he's gone.
676
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
SHE WHIMPERS,
TAKES DEEP BREATH
677
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,960
I just want to keep
my brother's memory alive.
678
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,960
Can we stop there?
679
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960
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680
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,960
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