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They told me
that we were flying
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to Jeffrey's island
in the Caribbean.
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I definitely had to do
some self-talk that...
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what if he tries to hurt me?
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I thought, "Well, this time,
I'll be better prepared,
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and I'll be able to say no."
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You know,
I had this blind hope
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that he just
wouldn't do it again,
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that he wouldn't hurt me.
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Individuals who've been
sexually abused
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as a child, of course you'd
expect them to go back.
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They were called over
for a massage.
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It became a sexual assault.
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You know, what else is new?
This is what men do.
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It was gorgeous.
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I mean, it was stunning,
you know,
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overlooking the Caribbean sea.
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I felt like I was in a dream.
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That night, myself, Ghislaine,
Jeffrey, Sarah Kellen,
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we all sat around
this beautiful table outside,
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and the chef made
this delicious dinner for us.
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After dinner,
I went back into my villa
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reveling in the fact that
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my bed had been
turned down for me,
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and the candles were lit,
and, like,
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there was a book
on my nightstand,
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mosquito net
drawn around my bed.
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I had never been
taken care of as a kid.
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Like, I never had, you know,
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a mom that did
any of those things for me,
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so what was exciting me
was the care involved.
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I just remember
feeling like a princess.
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It was like a fantasy land, almost.
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In 1998, Jeffrey Epstein
bought his own private island
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in the Caribbean
in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
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It was known
as Little St. James,
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but he liked to call it
Little St. Jeff's.
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There was a swimming pool.
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There was sort of an area
for his private chef
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to prepare meals.
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There was a screening room,
a library.
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He also had this kind of weird
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temple building
with a gold roof.
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He used to patrol around
in an ATV,
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and girls were asked to either
wear no clothes or go topless.
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I mean, he literally shaped
the island to his whims.
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He could sort of
indulge himself
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in his own universe,
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away from the watchful eyes
of anyone.
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It's also where some of
the most disturbing allegations
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of abuse have surfaced.
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I think the darker part
of what he liked
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and his friends liked was
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taking shape at that point.
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It was a place for him
to get away
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with whatever he wanted
to get away with.
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Anything and everything
did happen on the island.
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That night in my villa,
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I laid down on the bed
and started reading.
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Before long, a little knock
came at my door.
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Sarah Kellen
popped her head in
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and said that Jeffrey's ready
for his massage now.
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Immediately, I was sick to my stomach.
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This just did not feel right.
It was the middle of the night.
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I thought we were all
going to bed,
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but, again, like, you know,
what was I gonna say?
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No?
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I was there to be hired,
I thought, as their masseuse,
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so I couldn't say, "No,
I'm not gonna go massage him."
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So she led me to Jeffrey
and Ghislaine's villa.
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The massage table
was set up already.
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You could hear
the waves crashing
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against the rocks outside.
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I kept thinking,
like, you know,
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because this is a room
that he's sharing
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with Ghislaine,
maybe she's close by.
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Maybe she'll come in.
Maybe she... you know.
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Maybe he won't do anything
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because, you know,
she's right there.
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You know, I genuinely thought
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that she really did
care about me.
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And so he comes in,
throws off his robe,
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gets on the table,
and, you know,
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looked very smug and happy.
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I didn't get very far
into the massage
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before he grabbed my wrists
and tugged me towards the bed
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and pulled me on top of him.
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I wanted to scream out
for someone to,
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you know, come help me.
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There was people just on
the other side of the door...
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like, women just on
the other side of the door.
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I couldn't find my words.
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I just remember saying,
"Please, no."
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And I realized very quickly
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that the more
I kept trying to resist,
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the more fun he was having.
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You know, he proceeded
to force himself on me,
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and I just waited
for it to be over.
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You know,
it was over very quickly,
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and he jumped up
and got to the shower,
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and I threw my shorts back on
and ran out of the room
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without my shoes and ran
all the way back on the rocks
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towards my villa.
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My feet were bleeding
by the time I got back
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to that villa,
and I was crying,
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and I just basically,
like, just got into bed
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and cried myself to sleep.
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And I genuinely felt
very isolated.
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I really felt like this was
all only happening to me,
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and, for whatever reason,
this was my problem.
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There wasn't even a thought
going through my head
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that I was going
to say something.
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There was no way.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, no, there was no way
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I was gonna say anything,
you know?
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Just, like,
what was I gonna say?
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Being on Jeffrey's island
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was like being
on a deserted island.
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Jeffrey knew that he
wasn't gonna get caught,
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and so a lot more abuse
happened at the Virgin Islands
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because of the isolation.
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Jeffrey had the ability
to bring in young girls
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to that private island
under the radar
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and abuse them there
without many people
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knowing about it.
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That was where
a lot of the abuse
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of young, foreign girls
transpired, unfortunately.
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This was really where
some of the most shocking
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and disturbing parts
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of his sex trafficking
operation took place.
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It was really global in scale.
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Epstein's aircraft,
known as "The Lolita Express"
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allowed him to carry on
his sex trafficking operation
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outside of the view
of the authorities.
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- Do you know a man named
- Jean-Luc Brunel?
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Can you spell it?
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He was at your house
last week.
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What's the purpose for you
asking me to spell his name?
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Are you acting like
you don't know him?
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Form, move to strike...
argumentative.
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Jean-Luc Brunel was
a very prominent figure
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in the modeling scene.
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He traveled the world looking
for young women to recruit.
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Jeffrey had the type
of relationship with him
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that Jean-Luc
was feeding him women.
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It's this
match made in heaven.
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It's Jeffrey Epstein
constantly looking
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for young, beautiful women,
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and Jean-Luc Brunel
having young, beautiful women
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at his fingertips.
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I'm sure
it was pretty hush, hush
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that he brought in loads
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of Eastern European
fashion models.
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They wanted a visa to live
in the country and work.
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Jean-Luc Brunel's girls
are very vulnerable girls.
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They can't speak
a word of English.
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They think they're getting
a modeling job,
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and instead,
they're getting abused.
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And you can see the fear
in some of these girls' eyes.
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You can feel it.
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Some of Epstein's victims
have talked about
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having their passports
confiscated
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when they've been
to the island,
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and orgies taking place there
with Eastern European women,
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which Epstein directs.
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I asked him how am I
supposed to participate,
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you know, in sexual acts
if they don't speak English?
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And he said,
"Use hand gestures,"
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and, you know, like, he goes,
"And it's much easier.
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"It's better that they
don't speak English.
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Then we don't have to listen
to them talk."
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The island was my jail.
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You literally
are stuck with adults
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who don't care about you,
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adults that are there
to purely use you
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for their sexual advantages.
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I never got to say no.
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And I had these two people
making my life choices for me
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every minute of every day
that I was with them.
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It's like
this really effed up family
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where one minute we're watching
"Sex and the City,"
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and the next minute,
Ghislaine tells us
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to strip down
and start, you know,
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performing sexual acts
on Jeffrey Epstein
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or her or both.
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She was just as exhausting
as he was.
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Eventually,
Epstein and Maxwell
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started sending me to people,
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started literally
trafficking me.
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And there was times
that he'd send me on, like,
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a commercial flight
to go meet the people
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I'm being trafficked to,
saying,
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"I want you
to take care of them
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"and report back to me
what they liked,
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what you did for them."
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The person
I was trafficked to
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would either, you know,
say that, you know,
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they were happy
with the experience,
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and then I would get,
like, a pat on the back
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from Ghislaine
or from Epstein.
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You know, like,
with Prince Andrew.
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I'm happy to talk about him
because he abused me.
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He participated
in a sex trafficking operation
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with one of the most prolific
sex trafficking operators
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in the world of modern time.
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Prince Andrew's
not the prince
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from the fairy tale stories
you read.
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Andrew deserves to be outed.
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He deserves
to be held accountable.
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He's an abuser.
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The connection
between Prince Andrew
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and Jeffrey Epstein
is Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Ghislaine and Prince Andrew
had known each other
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for many years.
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I remember one day,
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I was walking up
Madison Avenue,
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and I ran into
Ghislaine Maxwell
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who was with Prince Andrew,
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and she introduced me to him.
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He told me that he was staying
at Jeffrey's townhouse.
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That kind of fascinated me.
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I mean, it just seemed like
a kind of perfect instance
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of the kind of people
that Jeffrey
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was hanging out with.
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Jeffrey definitely enjoyed
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the idea of being friends
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with the queen's son,
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and Prince Andrew
just gone through a divorce,
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has this American,
you know, billionaire
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that wants to, like,
fly him around the world
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and introduce him to people,
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and it was probably
an escapism really for him.
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The most explosive claims
about Prince Andrew
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were made by
Virginia Roberts Giuffre...
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that she was, you know,
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loaned out to Andrew for sex
three times.
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The first time,
Epstein flew her to London
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where they went out dancing
at a nightclub called Tramp
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with Prince Andrew.
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They went back
to Ghislaine Maxwell's house
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in London,
and there she was essentially
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given to Andrew,
and they had sex.
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Before he abused me,
when we just met, you know,
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Ghislaine does
this guessing game.
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He guessed right.
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I was 17, and he compared me
to his daughter, saying,
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"Oh, my daughters are
a few years younger than you."
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The next encounter
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supposedly happened
a few months later
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at Epstein's mansion
in New York,
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and then there was
a third time,
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Virginia said,
on Epstein's island
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in the Caribbean where, again,
she and Andrew had sex.
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The duke has strongly
and repeatedly denied this.
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I have no recollection
of ever meeting this lady.
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It didn't happen.
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She said she had sex
with you three times.
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No.
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- No to all of it?
- All of it.
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Absolutely no to all of it.
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What makes it difficult
for Andrew
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is that there's a photograph
of him and Virginia.
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She was 17 years old
at the time,
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and they're
in Ghislaine's house.
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Andrew's standing there
grinning like a Cheshire Cat
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with his arm
around Virginia Roberts,
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and Ghislaine stands
in the background
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like this kind of
puppet master figure
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sort of grinning broadly.
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I never met Prince Andrew
through Jeffrey,
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but I had a few friends
that did.
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Most of the girls
didn't speak about
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what happened
with Prince Andrew,
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but I had one very good friend
that confided in me
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about her experience with him.
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She told me that Jeffrey
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kind of instructed her
to go into a room
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and to have sex
with Prince Andrew.
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She told me Jeffrey's
not really who he says he is.
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I asked him about it.
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He didn't wanna talk
about it a lot
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because it was
a very important person
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that it happened with,
but he just mentioned
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that he needs to have
something on people.
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Once he gets somebody
to accept having sex
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with an underage kid,
it gives him some power
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over the individual
when the individual accepts.
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- The stories
- I kept on hearing
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were that
in every guest bedroom
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in Jeffrey Epstein's house,
there were hidden cameras,
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and that part
of Jeffrey's ability
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to manipulate people
was that he had this video
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of powerful men having sex
with underage girls
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00:16:05,529 --> 00:16:09,707
and that these recordings
were held in a safe
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that Jeffrey was using
as a power tool
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to manipulate wealthy guys
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to make them do
whatever he wanted.
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He thought of these girls
as commodities.
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He gave them out
the same way he'd give out
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a good bottle of wine
or a trip on his boat
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or a flight to somewhere.
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They were nothing more
than objects to him.
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When you start sending
a victim to get abused
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by more and more
and more people,
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it makes it
so much more detrimental
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00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:45,308
on your health,
on your psyche.
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Cages come in many forms,
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00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:50,705
and I can tell you my cage
might've been a golden cage,
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00:16:50,748 --> 00:16:52,533
but it was a cage nonetheless.
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I was very alone, you know?
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Like, there was just
no way out.
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Virginia was
in a circumstance where
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she really wanted to be able
to build a different life.
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She knew what was happening
to her was very wrong,
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and she wanted out, but again,
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these people
are incredibly powerful,
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incredibly intimidating,
and you don't cross them.
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Two to three months
before my 19th birthday,
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00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,737
I was on the island
with Jeffrey Epstein
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00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:24,217
and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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00:17:26,262 --> 00:17:27,959
You know, I said,
"I still haven't gotten
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00:17:28,003 --> 00:17:30,179
"my massage certificate
that you guys promised me,
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00:17:30,223 --> 00:17:33,530
"and, you know, I really wanna
have that massage certificate
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"to be a real masseuse one day,
you know,
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so I can take care of myself."
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And for my birthday,
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they got me tickets
to Thailand.
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00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:45,412
They booked me into
a Thai massage course.
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00:17:47,283 --> 00:17:50,199
But they asked me
to get another girl
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to bring over
from Thailand, right?
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00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,856
So it's never just doing
something nice for you.
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00:17:54,899 --> 00:17:56,466
That's not how they worked.
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00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,729
It's always an exchange
for something.
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00:18:00,557 --> 00:18:02,690
So I was like,
"This is an opportunity.
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00:18:02,733 --> 00:18:04,605
This is a chance."
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00:18:04,648 --> 00:18:06,998
If I find that chance,
I'm taking it.
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00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:08,652
I put it out there
in the universe,
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00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:10,089
and the universe answered.
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00:18:12,265 --> 00:18:14,789
I met my husband
Robert Giuffre.
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00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:17,966
He was the first person
I told everything
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00:18:18,009 --> 00:18:20,316
about what I had gone through.
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00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,189
He said to me,
"You don't have to go back.
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00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,669
You can come
to Australia with me."
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00:18:25,713 --> 00:18:30,065
He literally got on his knees
and said, "Let's get married."
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I'm like,
"I'm starting a new life.
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00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,026
Like, I don't have to go back."
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00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:40,075
So the day I got married
to Robert,
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00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,772
I said, "I gotta do this now.
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00:18:41,816 --> 00:18:43,034
"I've gotta call
Jeffrey Epstein.
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00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:46,299
This is my final step."
352
00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:50,041
So I called him, and I said,
"I'm not coming back."
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00:18:50,085 --> 00:18:51,347
You could tell
he was pissed off
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00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:53,088
by the tone of his voice,
and he said,
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00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:56,091
"Have a good life,"
and he clicked the phone up.
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00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,833
That was the last time
I had heard from Epstein
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00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:01,879
until 2007.
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00:19:04,186 --> 00:19:07,058
Epstein calls me, and he goes,
359
00:19:07,102 --> 00:19:08,625
"There's this
stupid investigation
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00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:10,366
"going on about me, you know,
361
00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:12,281
"and are you gonna
talk to people about it?
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00:19:12,325 --> 00:19:14,370
Have you talked to people
about it?"
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00:19:14,414 --> 00:19:17,243
I was... oh, my God.
364
00:19:17,286 --> 00:19:21,203
Like, I couldn't sleep
for days.
365
00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:23,597
It was... I was just living
in constant fear.
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00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,512
I was just so scared.
367
00:19:34,695 --> 00:19:36,871
The federal authorities
in Florida
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00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:39,352
began an investigation
into Jeffrey Epstein.
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00:19:41,528 --> 00:19:43,269
Epstein's dream team
of lawyers
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00:19:43,312 --> 00:19:46,315
realize this is bad news
because once you start
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00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,839
getting the FBI involved,
the potential penalties
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00:19:48,883 --> 00:19:50,624
for their client
are much more serious.
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They start negotiating
a plea deal in secret
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00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:57,283
with Alex Acosta,
who is the man in charge
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00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,372
of the federal prosecution.
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00:19:59,415 --> 00:20:02,331
This goes on
without the victims knowing.
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00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,725
All the victims know
is that the FBI's
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00:20:04,768 --> 00:20:06,030
looking into the case.
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00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:10,644
I fear that there's a
secret deal being constructed
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00:20:10,687 --> 00:20:13,124
between the federal government
and Jeffrey Epstein,
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00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:14,909
and that they're working
with him
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00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:16,867
behind my clients' backs.
383
00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,224
Jeffrey Epstein
went to jail
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00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:26,616
just before 10:00
this morning.
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00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:28,052
He pleaded guilty
in open court.
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00:20:28,096 --> 00:20:29,663
After 18 months
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00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:31,534
in the Palm Beach
detention facility,
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00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:32,840
Epstein will serve
another 12 months house arrest
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00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:34,842
at his Palm Beach home.
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00:20:34,885 --> 00:20:39,020
- In summer, 2008,
- Epstein signed a plea deal
391
00:20:39,063 --> 00:20:42,153
under which he would
plead guilty to two charges...
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00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:44,155
solicitation of prostitution
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00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:46,462
and soliciting of minor
for prostitution.
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00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:49,378
A guy who had
dozens and dozens
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00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:51,032
of potential victims
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00:20:51,075 --> 00:20:53,164
and had been operating
this pyramid scheme
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00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:55,515
was only gonna serve
18 months in state prison
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00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:57,299
and, not only that,
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00:20:57,343 --> 00:20:59,823
the federal investigation
was gonna go away.
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00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:03,697
That's the most
extraordinary part of this.
401
00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,133
I didn't even understand
402
00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:06,439
what happened
in the courtroom,
403
00:21:06,482 --> 00:21:08,092
and Brad's like, "Courtney,
404
00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,094
you wouldn't believe
what they're doing."
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00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:13,533
Like, they are literally doing
a secret plea agreement.
406
00:21:13,576 --> 00:21:15,448
Like, this is done.
He already pleaded out.
407
00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:21,018
The women's voices
were not heard
408
00:21:21,062 --> 00:21:23,673
even though they all gave
this very powerful testimony
409
00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:27,024
in the police report
over and over and over again
410
00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:29,592
telling the same story.
411
00:21:29,636 --> 00:21:33,727
Jeffrey Epstein got off with
basically a slap on the wrist.
412
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:36,120
I just couldn't wrap my head
around this whole thing.
413
00:21:36,164 --> 00:21:38,514
It was just very mind-blowing.
414
00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:40,211
I had dealt
with my mom going to jail,
415
00:21:40,255 --> 00:21:43,345
so, you know,
they were a lot tougher on her
416
00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:45,739
than they were,
you know, Epstein.
417
00:21:45,782 --> 00:21:47,523
Me and Brad,
we all just find
418
00:21:47,567 --> 00:21:49,264
all this information
out together,
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00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:50,439
and we're like, "What?"
420
00:21:50,483 --> 00:21:52,180
This is impossible.
421
00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,921
I mean, this has to be
"The Twilight Zone."
422
00:21:53,964 --> 00:21:55,444
This doesn't make any sense.
423
00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,359
Nobody gets
this type of treatment.
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00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:58,795
Who is this person?
425
00:22:01,058 --> 00:22:02,843
I was so angry.
426
00:22:02,886 --> 00:22:04,932
I'm thinking
that Jeffrey Epstein
427
00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,325
is gonna get away with this.
428
00:22:06,368 --> 00:22:07,935
He is gonna get away
with molesting me
429
00:22:07,978 --> 00:22:09,937
and all my friends,
430
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:12,026
and I'm a victim,
and I wanna take this guy down.
431
00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:14,898
I want him to be accountable
for what he did to me.
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00:22:14,942 --> 00:22:17,118
So me and Brad
kind of make a pact.
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00:22:17,161 --> 00:22:20,077
We're like, "Okay,
so we're in this to the end."
434
00:22:20,121 --> 00:22:23,646
I said, "I promise you
we are going to fight this,
435
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,170
"and, one way or the other,
we are going to fix
436
00:22:26,214 --> 00:22:28,390
"the injustice that was caused
and that Jeffrey Epstein
437
00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:31,437
was not going
to get away with this."
438
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,961
The government did not want
to let the victims know
439
00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:36,746
the substance of
the non-prosecution agreement,
440
00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,140
so we sued
the United States Government
441
00:22:39,183 --> 00:22:41,838
so that we could learn
what exactly the deal was.
442
00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:47,627
Months later, we finally learn
the federal government
443
00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:52,109
had identified approximately
40 minor victims
444
00:22:52,153 --> 00:22:55,156
and instead of prosecuting
Jeffrey Epstein,
445
00:22:55,199 --> 00:22:58,377
gave him immunity
for all federal sex crimes
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00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:00,422
that he had committed,
447
00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:03,120
and additionally
provided immunity
448
00:23:03,164 --> 00:23:05,862
for all of Jeffrey Epstein's
co-conspirators,
449
00:23:05,906 --> 00:23:07,690
and all of this was done
in secrecy
450
00:23:07,734 --> 00:23:09,213
behind the victims' backs.
451
00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:14,175
The extent
of the cooperation between
452
00:23:14,218 --> 00:23:17,396
the federal prosecution
and Epstein's lawyers
453
00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:20,007
would only become apparent
when e-mails between them
454
00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:21,748
were made public.
455
00:23:21,791 --> 00:23:23,750
The emails are artily damning.
456
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,799
It feels like the prosecutors
are asking Epstein's defense,
457
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,845
"What would
your client like, sir?
458
00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:34,151
What would be okay
for him to plead to?"
459
00:23:36,589 --> 00:23:40,201
It shows that they worked
basically hand in glove
460
00:23:40,244 --> 00:23:42,203
to fashion this deal
with Alex Acosta,
461
00:23:42,246 --> 00:23:44,248
the top federal prosecutor
462
00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:46,990
for the Southern District
of Florida.
463
00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:49,253
He got away
with the sweetheart deal.
464
00:23:49,297 --> 00:23:52,256
If that doesn't prove
he had friends in high places,
465
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,042
then I don't know
what else does.
466
00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:57,218
A few steps, a smile,
467
00:23:57,261 --> 00:23:59,655
and a wave
to the deputy at the door.
468
00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:01,918
We watch Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail,
469
00:24:01,962 --> 00:24:04,051
but only his attorneys
heard from him.
470
00:24:04,094 --> 00:24:06,140
He's very happy that
his jail sentence is over
471
00:24:06,183 --> 00:24:09,709
and he can begin
a new chapter in his life.
472
00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:11,972
Epstein was supposed
to serve 18 months,
473
00:24:12,015 --> 00:24:14,322
but he only served 13 months.
474
00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:17,064
When he comes out of prison
in 2009,
475
00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:21,764
Jeffrey Epstein
is a registered sex offender.
476
00:24:21,808 --> 00:24:24,680
So Epstein embarks
on this extraordinary attempt
477
00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,683
to rehabilitate his image.
478
00:24:27,727 --> 00:24:32,253
He realizes that
a way to sanitize your name
479
00:24:32,296 --> 00:24:35,169
and manage your reputation
is to become a philanthropist,
480
00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:38,215
someone who's donating money
to worthy causes,
481
00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:40,870
a thinker.
482
00:24:40,914 --> 00:24:44,178
Epstein was rubbing shoulders
with Jeff Bezos from Amazon,
483
00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:47,137
Sergey Brin from Google,
and Elon Musk.
484
00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:50,097
Because Epstein was rich,
because he was able to donate,
485
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,055
people looked the other way,
486
00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:54,014
and in the case of MIT,
487
00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:56,973
he wanted to mix with the
world's intellectual elite.
488
00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:04,807
When I started working
at MIT,
489
00:25:04,851 --> 00:25:08,463
my job was to take a look
at our top-rated donors.
490
00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,421
I did come across
Jeffrey Epstein
491
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:13,903
amongst the disqualified donors.
492
00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:16,863
I came to learn that
they had found a workaround,
493
00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:21,955
that Epstein's associates
would give to MIT instead
494
00:25:21,998 --> 00:25:25,436
in their name anonymously.
495
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,351
This is a $2 million gift
from Bill Gates
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00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:29,702
directed by Jeffrey Epstein.
497
00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,530
"For gift recording purposes,
498
00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:33,314
"we will not be mentioning
Jeffrey's name
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00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:34,924
as the impetus for the gift."
500
00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:38,885
The relationship
with Jeffrey Epstein
501
00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:43,106
had become an open secret
amongst people at the lab.
502
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:44,978
Female employees
raised issues,
503
00:25:45,021 --> 00:25:48,547
but our complaints
fell on deaf ears.
504
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:53,813
I was told we needed to keep
all of this information quiet.
505
00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:56,337
We began arranging
for Jeffrey Epstein
506
00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:58,078
to visit the lab.
507
00:25:58,121 --> 00:26:00,471
I was told that Jeffrey
doesn't go anywhere
508
00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:03,126
without two female assistants
at his side.
509
00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:07,000
That was another red flag
in my eyes.
510
00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:09,437
Jeffrey came in
very confident,
511
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,396
and the two women
appeared young.
512
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,224
They were Eastern European.
513
00:26:14,268 --> 00:26:17,227
Very beautiful...
they looked like models.
514
00:26:17,271 --> 00:26:20,491
No part of me fully believed
that they were his assistants.
515
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:27,368
We were concerned that maybe
they were being trafficked.
516
00:26:27,411 --> 00:26:29,457
My male colleagues
517
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,112
just saw what they wanted
to see with Jeffrey Epstein.
518
00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:35,158
I think if you're relying
on money from him,
519
00:26:35,202 --> 00:26:38,684
it was very easy
to turn the other way.
520
00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:40,555
Being affiliated with MIT
521
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,863
helped Jeffrey Epstein
rebuild his reputation,
522
00:26:43,906 --> 00:26:46,779
to just slip back
into his life
523
00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:49,433
that he had before
being convicted.
524
00:26:51,566 --> 00:26:52,959
There were multiple victims
525
00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:55,222
that were still
being victimized.
526
00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:58,094
He was such a significant
perpetrator of these crimes
527
00:26:58,138 --> 00:26:59,966
that he would never stop
until stopped.
528
00:27:01,837 --> 00:27:03,534
Girls that I have talked to
529
00:27:03,578 --> 00:27:05,928
who have been trafficked
as teens,
530
00:27:05,972 --> 00:27:10,716
there's always an environment
that normalizes it.
531
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,720
The normalcy explains why
532
00:27:14,763 --> 00:27:18,419
people who otherwise
would have been shocked
533
00:27:18,462 --> 00:27:22,249
and horrified didn't act.
534
00:27:22,292 --> 00:27:25,382
All these high,
official people allowed him
535
00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:28,603
to continue doing
what he was doing.
536
00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:31,214
To this day, it just makes...
it gives me, like, anxiety.
537
00:27:31,258 --> 00:27:32,302
It makes my heart race.
538
00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:40,354
Courtney was very damaged
by what Jeffrey Epstein did.
539
00:27:40,397 --> 00:27:42,269
You know, she would have
these up and down periods
540
00:27:42,312 --> 00:27:44,706
where she was constantly
trying to deal with
541
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:47,535
all of the emotional trauma
from her life,
542
00:27:47,578 --> 00:27:49,842
and there were
very low moments.
543
00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:53,933
It's such a dark story,
544
00:27:53,976 --> 00:27:57,327
but I just know
other people can relate to it.
545
00:27:57,371 --> 00:27:59,982
My life goes
just, like, downhill.
546
00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:04,073
I basically turn
into a drug addict.
547
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:09,252
I end up going to prison
for three years for drugs.
548
00:28:09,296 --> 00:28:12,255
So, this is...
makes me emotional.
549
00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:14,605
You know,
Brad sticks by my side
550
00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:16,825
and he writes me letters
and says,
551
00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:18,348
"Hey, Courtney, you're one of
552
00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:20,655
the most powerful people
I've ever met."
553
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:25,181
And something just clicked
when I was in prison
554
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,444
that, you know, I didn't want
to live like that anymore.
555
00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:32,319
And then it brought me to...
556
00:28:32,362 --> 00:28:35,757
I'm gonna fight until somebody
brings Jeffrey down,
557
00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:37,716
and I'm just gonna keep on
speaking the truth
558
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,892
because I'm done with you,
you know?
559
00:29:11,967 --> 00:29:15,057
I had my daughter in 2010,
560
00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,799
and it just hit me
all at once.
561
00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:19,714
Now I've got this little girl
in my arms.
562
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,542
We gotta protect her.
563
00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,370
It was like looking at her,
and it clicked,
564
00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:25,328
and it was like, you know,
it is time to speak out.
565
00:29:29,376 --> 00:29:31,247
Naming someone
like Prince Andrew,
566
00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:33,815
all of a sudden
the world cared, right?
567
00:29:33,859 --> 00:29:36,165
People wanna hear
those kind of stories.
568
00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:40,039
But the first story
that came out
569
00:29:40,082 --> 00:29:43,085
was almost like
a salacious sex story.
570
00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:45,609
It took away
from the fact that
571
00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:47,786
this is
a sex trafficking operation.
572
00:29:49,918 --> 00:29:51,615
She has now gone public
573
00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:53,617
with some of
the key allegations
574
00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:55,837
about the abuse
that she suffered
575
00:29:55,881 --> 00:29:58,231
and the people who were
involved in that abuse.
576
00:29:58,274 --> 00:29:59,841
Her allegations had included
577
00:29:59,885 --> 00:30:02,452
people like Prince Andrew
and Alan Dershowitz.
578
00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:09,329
The last day of 2014,
false story was told
579
00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:12,549
by Virginia Roberts about
having had sex with me
580
00:30:12,593 --> 00:30:16,466
on six different occasions
on Jeffrey Epstein's island
581
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:20,601
and his ranch
and on the airplane.
582
00:30:20,644 --> 00:30:23,909
Totally made-up stories.
583
00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:25,998
What followed
her allegations was
584
00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:30,045
an absolute tirade
by Dershowitz in the media.
585
00:30:30,089 --> 00:30:33,092
The story is totally,
completely fabricated
586
00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:34,397
from top to bottom.
587
00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,399
It was a time
when the media,
588
00:30:36,443 --> 00:30:38,445
unfortunately, was very victim-blaming.
589
00:30:38,488 --> 00:30:41,056
Everybody,
from a media perspective,
590
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,928
was really attacking
the victim, Virginia,
591
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:44,712
at that point.
592
00:30:44,755 --> 00:30:47,628
- She's an admitted prostitute.
- She's a serial liar.
593
00:30:47,671 --> 00:30:49,499
I can tell you
she is still a prostitute.
594
00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:54,069
She is selling false stories
now for money about me.
595
00:30:54,113 --> 00:30:56,245
I mean,
I was called a bad mother,
596
00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:58,595
a serial liar,
a serial prostitute.
597
00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:00,946
Like, the names were horrible,
you know?
598
00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:03,252
And I've got three kids,
and they, you know,
599
00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:05,472
they see the news channels,
and, you know,
600
00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:07,474
"Mommy, why are they
calling you a prostitute?
601
00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:09,128
What is a prostitute?"
602
00:31:09,171 --> 00:31:10,477
But I just kept telling 'em,
603
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,695
"Mommy's fighting
the bad guys."
604
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:17,092
She was being attacked
in a very significant way,
605
00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:19,268
and that's when
I was brought into the case
606
00:31:19,312 --> 00:31:21,880
to help her
in that circumstance.
607
00:31:21,923 --> 00:31:24,970
She wanted to have
established on the record
608
00:31:25,013 --> 00:31:27,015
what had happened to her
and try to stop
609
00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:29,670
the individuals
who were involved.
610
00:31:29,713 --> 00:31:31,280
She didn't have
a lot of options
611
00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:33,543
because the statute
of limitations,
612
00:31:33,587 --> 00:31:35,894
which is the time period
within which
613
00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:40,942
a victim can bring
a civil suit had already run.
614
00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:43,945
So we, very creatively,
came up with a strategy
615
00:31:43,989 --> 00:31:45,991
where she can sue
on the basis of things
616
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:49,124
that were being said about her
in a defamation claim
617
00:31:49,168 --> 00:31:50,647
saying, "I'm not a liar
618
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:53,607
because this abuse
actually happened to me."
619
00:31:53,650 --> 00:31:57,176
We ended up filing
a single count defamation suit
620
00:31:57,219 --> 00:31:59,047
against Ghislaine Maxwell.
621
00:31:59,091 --> 00:32:00,701
Ghislaine had been
one of the people
622
00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:02,485
who had come out
and called Virginia a liar
623
00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:04,009
and had said,
"No, she's lying
624
00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:06,141
about these
sexual abuse claims."
625
00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,187
Since Ghislaine Maxwell
recruited her
626
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,450
and also participated
in the abuse of her,
627
00:32:10,493 --> 00:32:12,191
working hand in hand
with Epstein
628
00:32:12,234 --> 00:32:13,627
to perpetrate those crimes,
629
00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:15,498
it was a perfect way to be able
630
00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:17,196
to get at both of them
at the same time.
631
00:32:18,893 --> 00:32:20,808
I was vilified
for a very long time,
632
00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:22,941
and I still am being vilified.
633
00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,638
You know,
I'm still being called a liar,
634
00:32:24,681 --> 00:32:27,467
and the truth has a funny way
of showing its head,
635
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,426
and I'm not stopping
till it does.
636
00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:35,605
One of the things
that allows predators
637
00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:39,566
to continue to prey
upon vulnerable individuals
638
00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:41,133
for a long period of time
639
00:32:41,176 --> 00:32:44,745
is a culture
in which they are working.
640
00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:48,444
I think that sexual predators
641
00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:50,316
find an environment
642
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,449
that is tolerant
of sexual offending,
643
00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:55,799
and that tolerance
can be a fraternity.
644
00:32:55,843 --> 00:32:57,410
It can be a neighborhood.
645
00:32:57,453 --> 00:32:59,368
It can be a crowd of people.
646
00:33:01,153 --> 00:33:03,372
Hundreds and hundreds
of young females
647
00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:05,592
were victimized,
and what we've seen
648
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:07,986
is just a fraction of them
coming forward.
649
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:11,728
Even though they were
manipulated in a masterful way,
650
00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:15,471
they still struggle with making
public what happened to them
651
00:33:15,515 --> 00:33:18,561
because there is
so much shame involved.
652
00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:21,042
It's really difficult
as a victim to come forward
653
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:24,611
and say, "I was one of them.
It happened to me too."
654
00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:27,396
- It happened to me too.
- Me too.
655
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,571
It happened to me too.
656
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:31,966
No justice!
657
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,402
I'm in prison,
and I'm watching
658
00:33:33,446 --> 00:33:35,448
all this stuff happen
on the TV,
659
00:33:35,491 --> 00:33:37,450
watching the Me Too Movement.
660
00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:40,192
I'm like, "Oh, my gosh,
these girls are coming out,
661
00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:41,889
and people
are believing them."
662
00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:43,673
Survivors are sharing
their personal stories
663
00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:45,849
of harassment
and assault online.
664
00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:48,417
In terms of believing
the victims
665
00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:49,940
and believing survivors,
666
00:33:49,984 --> 00:33:51,159
I think the pendulum swung.
667
00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:53,770
Bound up in that was Me Too.
668
00:33:53,814 --> 00:33:55,729
We believe Christine Ford!
669
00:33:55,772 --> 00:33:58,079
Kavanaugh is not welcome here!
670
00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,689
I was watching
the Supreme Court hearings
671
00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:01,082
with Brett Kavanaugh,
672
00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:04,085
and I remember
just looking at the TV
673
00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:07,088
and thinking,
"God, I cannot wait
674
00:34:07,132 --> 00:34:10,526
for my day to expose
Jeffrey Epstein."
675
00:34:12,615 --> 00:34:16,271
I receive a letter
from "The Miami Herald."
676
00:34:16,315 --> 00:34:18,273
It's a reporter.
Her name is Julie Brown.
677
00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:21,320
And she's been investigating
my case,
678
00:34:21,363 --> 00:34:23,278
and she knows all about it,
and she's so sorry
679
00:34:23,322 --> 00:34:25,280
for what happened.
680
00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:27,674
So I write her back,
and I tell her
681
00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:29,067
that I want everybody
to know who I am,
682
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:30,677
and I want everybody to know
683
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,244
that I'm a victim
of Jeffrey Epstein
684
00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:35,943
I was so filled with, like,
685
00:34:35,986 --> 00:34:41,514
rage and madness and hurt.
686
00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:44,299
I was like,
"I want to tell her my story."
687
00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:45,996
"The Miami Herald"
was able to identify
688
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,695
nearly 80 girls
who were molested by Epstein.
689
00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:51,089
This case has been
around for many years.
690
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:52,568
A lot of reporters
have followed it
691
00:34:52,612 --> 00:34:54,614
and done some
very good work on this,
692
00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:57,660
but it is now a decade later,
and at some point,
693
00:34:57,704 --> 00:35:00,185
I thought the real story
is the criminal justice system
694
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:03,449
and how it failed these girls.
695
00:35:03,492 --> 00:35:06,060
I think Alex Acosta
being nominated
696
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,497
to be Trump's labor secretary
spurred Julie Brown
697
00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:10,717
to do her investigation.
698
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,327
Acosta, as labor secretary,
699
00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:14,851
was overseeing
human trafficking.
700
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:17,115
A guy who'd given
a sweetheart plea deal
701
00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:20,161
to arguably
the worst human trafficker
702
00:35:20,205 --> 00:35:23,251
in American history
really set Julie Brown off.
703
00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:25,123
Julie Brown
also shed new light
704
00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,342
on the plea deal that
Jeffrey Epstein agreed to.
705
00:35:27,386 --> 00:35:29,214
It was signed
by Alexander Acosta...
706
00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:30,693
then a federal prosecutor,
707
00:35:30,737 --> 00:35:33,305
now the U.S. Secretary
of Labor.
708
00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:36,699
- You have
- Alex Acosta's involvement
709
00:35:36,743 --> 00:35:41,139
in the Florida non-prosecution
agreement being exposed.
710
00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:43,097
"The Miami Herald"
was the first publication
711
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,317
to say, "We're not gonna
back down to the bad guys.
712
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,884
We're gonna actually
report what happened."
713
00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:51,627
I hoped that my story
was going to make some waves.
714
00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,847
I really was hoping.
715
00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:54,891
Did I think
it was gonna happen?
716
00:35:54,935 --> 00:35:56,763
Not at all.
717
00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:59,069
I thought Epstein
was gonna get away with this.
718
00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:12,779
- During the summer,
- I'm at a friend's house.
719
00:36:12,822 --> 00:36:15,477
I get a phone call from Brad.
720
00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:17,000
You know, he's like,
721
00:36:17,044 --> 00:36:18,350
"Courtney,
are you sitting down?"
722
00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:21,222
I'm like, "Uh, yes, why?"
723
00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:23,703
"'Cause Jeffrey Epstein
was just arrested.
724
00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:26,271
We got him.
They definitely got him."
725
00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:29,274
I don't believe it, you know?
726
00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:30,666
I don't believe it.
727
00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:35,454
- I'll never forget
- July 2019.
728
00:36:35,497 --> 00:36:37,325
I get a call,
729
00:36:37,369 --> 00:36:40,763
and it's from
one of my best friends,
730
00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:42,678
and she's like,
"He's been arrested!"
731
00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:44,463
And I'm like, "What?"
732
00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:46,595
So I'm in the middle
of the street screaming.
733
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,555
It was, like, one of
the best days of my life.
734
00:36:49,598 --> 00:36:53,298
I had been at work
at church by myself,
735
00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:56,692
and I got a text message
saying that he was arrested,
736
00:36:56,736 --> 00:36:59,826
and I literally
just started crying,
737
00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:02,785
and I was like,
"They're listening to us."
738
00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:07,834
On July the sixth, 2019,
739
00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:10,184
he had boarded a flight
on his private jet
740
00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,795
from Paris to a private airport
in New Jersey.
741
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,884
As soon as Epstein
got off the jet,
742
00:37:14,928 --> 00:37:16,799
he's surrounded
by a joint task force
743
00:37:16,843 --> 00:37:18,932
of the NYPD and the FBI.
744
00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:22,675
He's put in handcuffs,
and he's led away.
745
00:37:22,718 --> 00:37:25,243
All the signs are that he had
no idea this was coming.
746
00:37:27,419 --> 00:37:29,072
I was amazed
that Epstein didn't know
747
00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:31,553
that an arrest was imminent.
748
00:37:31,597 --> 00:37:34,295
If he had,
he might've stayed in France.
749
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:35,818
Maybe he would've
been extradited.
750
00:37:35,862 --> 00:37:37,472
Maybe he wouldn't
have been extradited,
751
00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:40,475
but I think the arrest
caught him by surprise.
752
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:42,912
Of course, it caught
all of us by surprise.
753
00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:44,784
We thought the case was over.
754
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:47,787
Federal agents storming
755
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,919
into Jeffrey Epstein's
Manhattan mansion.
756
00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,574
The FBI
raid Epstein's mansion
757
00:37:52,618 --> 00:37:55,403
and take material
from his home
758
00:37:55,447 --> 00:37:57,971
that evidences
the sexual trafficking
759
00:37:58,014 --> 00:38:00,887
that had been taking place
including photographs
760
00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,932
that they found
of young girls,
761
00:38:02,976 --> 00:38:06,022
a false passport
that he could presumably use
762
00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:07,807
to escape or get out
of the country
763
00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:09,374
if there was a problem.
764
00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:12,115
Our office began cooperating
765
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,595
with the Southern District
of New York
766
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,423
because we've got,
you know, a decade worth
767
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:17,120
of investigated materials.
768
00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:19,340
Today we announce
the unsealing
769
00:38:19,384 --> 00:38:23,518
of sex trafficking charges
against Jeffrey Epstein.
770
00:38:23,562 --> 00:38:26,304
Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment...
771
00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:29,307
first, conspiracy
to commit sex trafficking,
772
00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:31,526
and second,
the substantive crime
773
00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:35,487
of sex trafficking
of underage girls.
774
00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:37,489
Jeffrey Epstein's
first appearance in court
775
00:38:37,532 --> 00:38:39,317
on the following Monday,
776
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,015
there were dozens and dozens
of TV crews outside.
777
00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:43,451
It was a complete zoo.
778
00:38:43,495 --> 00:38:45,235
You okay, Courtney?
779
00:38:45,279 --> 00:38:47,455
I managed to get into
the court, and I got a seat.
780
00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:49,239
I was actually
sitting in the row
781
00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:50,937
in front of Courtney Wild
and Brad Edwards.
782
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:53,331
I wanted to go to New York.
783
00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:56,029
I'm not this troubled,
young girl anymore,
784
00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:57,726
and I want to face him,
785
00:38:57,770 --> 00:39:00,381
and I talk to
the federal prosecutors,
786
00:39:00,425 --> 00:39:01,861
and they're like,
787
00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:03,732
"He's not gonna get away
this time."
788
00:39:03,776 --> 00:39:05,343
Epstein walks in.
789
00:39:05,386 --> 00:39:07,083
He looked a little disheveled,
790
00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:11,218
but he still had a little bit
of a swagger to him.
791
00:39:11,261 --> 00:39:12,872
It was very much a feeling of
792
00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:15,570
this is Jeffrey Epstein
in court in handcuffs...
793
00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:16,832
I mean, is this real?
794
00:39:20,053 --> 00:39:23,926
To see him
finally in that seat
795
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:27,930
kind of brought me back to,
like, that 14-year-old girl.
796
00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:30,411
It's emotionally,
mentally stressful
797
00:39:30,455 --> 00:39:33,153
because it brings you back
to that point in time
798
00:39:33,196 --> 00:39:37,766
when, you know,
everything wasn't so happy.
799
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:40,029
He was asked
how he wanted to plead.
800
00:39:40,073 --> 00:39:41,770
He said,
"Not guilty, your honor."
801
00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,865
The bail hearing happened
shortly afterwards.
802
00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:53,782
Epstein's lawyers argued
that he'd been "disciplined,"
803
00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,307
you know,
since his 2008 plea deal,
804
00:39:57,351 --> 00:39:59,309
and they offered
a bail package
805
00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:01,355
of his mansion in New York...
806
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,965
you know,
nearly $100 million worth
807
00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:04,750
of property,
and they essentially said
808
00:40:04,793 --> 00:40:06,969
he'd be willing to go
under house arrest in New York
809
00:40:07,013 --> 00:40:08,101
and, basically,
whatever it takes,
810
00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:09,755
you know, he'll do it.
811
00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:11,626
He's a billionaire,
so he clearly has
812
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:14,760
the ability to get away
if he needs to,
813
00:40:14,803 --> 00:40:17,458
and that was the concern
that the government brought up
814
00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:20,069
during those hearings.
815
00:40:20,113 --> 00:40:22,681
Judge Richard Berman who is
presiding over the hearing
816
00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:24,726
took the unusual step
of asking if there were
817
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:26,424
any victims in court
who wanted to speak.
818
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:31,037
I was able to get up
and say,
819
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,431
"Please do not give
this man a bond."
820
00:40:33,474 --> 00:40:35,084
With me, like,
standing up to him,
821
00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:36,346
I just wanted him to know,
like...
822
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:38,174
I don't care.
823
00:40:38,218 --> 00:40:40,089
I don't care how much money
you have.
824
00:40:40,133 --> 00:40:42,135
You know, I'm not
a young girl anymore.
825
00:40:42,178 --> 00:40:45,530
I'm 31,
and I'm gonna fight back,
826
00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:49,838
and it's not okay
to sexually abuse anybody.
827
00:40:49,882 --> 00:40:53,059
The entire time
that Courtney
828
00:40:53,102 --> 00:40:54,930
was addressing
Jeffrey Epstein,
829
00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:56,584
he stared straight ahead.
830
00:40:56,628 --> 00:40:58,891
I don't think
that he could face her.
831
00:40:58,934 --> 00:41:02,068
Watching Courtney speak...
832
00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:05,506
she had the power over him.
833
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:07,769
You know,
she took back from him
834
00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:11,817
what he had taken from her
all of those years ago.
835
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:14,472
It was
the most incredible thing
836
00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:16,909
I have ever seen anybody do.
837
00:41:16,952 --> 00:41:19,738
My name is Courtney Wild,
and I was sexually abused
838
00:41:19,781 --> 00:41:22,305
by Jeffrey Epstein as a child.
839
00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:24,482
As long as the victims
speak up,
840
00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:26,614
he isn't going
to get away this time.
841
00:41:26,658 --> 00:41:28,529
Calling him a threat
to the public,
842
00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:30,923
Judge Richard Berman
ordered Jeffrey Epstein,
843
00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:32,925
accused of sex trafficking
young girls,
844
00:41:32,968 --> 00:41:35,057
held in jail until trial.
845
00:41:35,101 --> 00:41:37,277
Berman said part of the reason
he denied bail
846
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,759
was the testimony of two women
who said Epstein abused them.
847
00:41:40,802 --> 00:41:43,849
Such powerful testimony
from the victims
848
00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:46,547
I think really influenced
the judge's decision
849
00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,724
to deny bail and to ensure
that Jeffrey Epstein
850
00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:53,032
was not free to get away
and escape.
851
00:41:53,075 --> 00:41:56,862
Brad looked at me the day
that Jeffrey Epstein's bond
852
00:41:56,905 --> 00:42:00,039
was denied and said,
"We got him.
853
00:42:00,082 --> 00:42:03,390
He is going to jail,
and it's real this time."
854
00:42:03,433 --> 00:42:05,827
I started thinking
855
00:42:05,871 --> 00:42:07,873
that this might
actually fricking happen
856
00:42:07,916 --> 00:42:09,657
and we might actually
have our day in court,
857
00:42:09,701 --> 00:42:11,616
and he's gonna fricking fry.
858
00:42:11,659 --> 00:42:13,226
Epstein is being held here
859
00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:14,880
at the federal jail
in Manhattan.
860
00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:17,578
Now, while a court date
has not yet been set,
861
00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:21,626
if convicted, he faces
up to 45 years in prison.
862
00:42:25,804 --> 00:42:27,370
On August the ninth,
863
00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:29,982
we got a massive dump
of documents...
864
00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:33,246
new flight logs,
new depositions, you know,
865
00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:36,379
new records, and there was
a slew of famous people
866
00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:39,687
who were implicated in this.
867
00:42:39,731 --> 00:42:42,168
Interest in this case
was already enormous.
868
00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:43,299
This kicked it up
another notch.
869
00:42:47,086 --> 00:42:48,783
The next day,
August the tenth,
870
00:42:48,827 --> 00:42:51,394
at 6:30 in the morning,
Epstein's guards
871
00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:54,006
went to his cell
to check on him,
872
00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:56,574
and what they saw
was shocking.
873
00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:01,579
They saw Epstein
with what seemed to be
874
00:43:01,622 --> 00:43:03,406
a noose around his neck.
875
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:05,104
Guards attempted
to revive him
876
00:43:05,147 --> 00:43:07,933
while saying,
"Breathe, Epstein, breathe."
877
00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:11,153
It appeared that he had
hung himself in his cell.
878
00:43:15,331 --> 00:43:19,771
I had no emotion tied
to him killing himself.
879
00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:25,559
I guess if anything,
it was, like, good.
880
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,561
Good.
881
00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:30,999
I was just
really, really angry.
882
00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:35,351
Really angry at how
this could have happened...
883
00:43:35,395 --> 00:43:39,094
and who was responsible
for letting this happen?
884
00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:40,618
When I found out,
885
00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:44,273
I collapsed on the ground.
886
00:43:44,317 --> 00:43:46,493
I was hysterically crying,
887
00:43:46,536 --> 00:43:49,017
hyperventilating.
888
00:43:49,061 --> 00:43:52,978
I had worked myself up
into such a frenzy
889
00:43:53,021 --> 00:43:57,417
with my stomach and reacting
to the news the way that I had,
890
00:43:57,460 --> 00:43:59,854
I started vomiting blood,
891
00:43:59,898 --> 00:44:02,465
and I spent two days
in a hospital
892
00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:04,859
just trying
to stop the vomiting,
893
00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:08,558
and it's been a little over
two months now...
894
00:44:11,257 --> 00:44:14,739
And I've been to the hospital
five times since.
895
00:44:14,782 --> 00:44:17,785
His death has retraumatized me
all over again
896
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:20,396
and maybe more so
than it ever had before.
897
00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:24,749
Honestly,
when I first heard about it,
898
00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:27,490
and I know this sounds crazy
to so many people, you know,
899
00:44:27,534 --> 00:44:30,015
I was sad.
I was upset.
900
00:44:30,058 --> 00:44:32,147
And then it changed from, like,
901
00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:34,497
empathy to just anger
'cause I'm like,
902
00:44:34,541 --> 00:44:37,326
"This guy has never
been held accountable
903
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:38,850
for anything he's done."
904
00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,424
I don't know.
905
00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:49,599
I just don't see him
committing suicide.
906
00:44:49,643 --> 00:44:51,427
I just don't.
907
00:44:51,471 --> 00:44:53,908
I think he was too important
to too many people.
908
00:44:53,952 --> 00:44:55,649
He held all of the secrets
of so many people,
909
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,173
and he always said that.
910
00:44:58,217 --> 00:44:59,609
He was like...
would joke about it,
911
00:44:59,653 --> 00:45:02,264
and, like, kind of...
912
00:45:02,308 --> 00:45:04,440
like, they think that they're
getting something out of him,
913
00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:08,357
but he is the one
that had everything on them.
914
00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:16,670
It's Jeffrey Epstein's
private island
915
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,759
in the Caribbean.
916
00:45:18,803 --> 00:45:23,198
New York Police and FBI agents
raiding the place yesterday.
917
00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:25,374
Seen clearly
through the window,
918
00:45:25,418 --> 00:45:28,073
computers packed
in red bubble wrap
919
00:45:28,116 --> 00:45:32,338
ready to go...
evidence freshly gathered.
920
00:45:32,381 --> 00:45:34,166
- The FBI raided
- Epstein's island
921
00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:36,124
in the Caribbean
two days after his death.
922
00:45:38,431 --> 00:45:40,476
Killing himself
allowed Jeffrey Epstein
923
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,870
to, in a final way, say,
"Screw you,
924
00:45:42,914 --> 00:45:44,829
I get the last laugh."
925
00:45:44,872 --> 00:45:47,440
It just fits with everything
we know about him
926
00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:50,443
to maintain control
right till the end.
927
00:45:50,486 --> 00:45:52,706
You know, that final twist
of the knife, you know?
928
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:55,448
"I'm not gonna let you
get what you want,
929
00:45:55,491 --> 00:45:57,015
which is seeing me in court."
930
00:46:00,322 --> 00:46:02,585
Jeffrey Epstein
was a master manipulator.
931
00:46:04,674 --> 00:46:06,459
He was making adjustments
to his will
932
00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:10,463
just days before he was found
dead in prison.
933
00:46:10,506 --> 00:46:16,077
That impacted
how his assets were handled.
934
00:46:16,121 --> 00:46:18,688
He changed it
so that all of his
935
00:46:18,732 --> 00:46:21,126
500 odd million dollar fortune
936
00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:23,606
would go to a trust
in the U.S. Virgin Islands,
937
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:26,000
which made it
far more secretive,
938
00:46:26,044 --> 00:46:28,046
and it meant
that we didn't know
939
00:46:28,089 --> 00:46:29,699
who the benefactors were.
940
00:46:29,743 --> 00:46:31,266
For all we know,
he could still be paying
941
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:32,833
his co-conspirators.
942
00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:36,010
He could be giving Ghislaine
an allowance.
943
00:46:36,054 --> 00:46:39,187
But Epstein's intention
with doing what he did
944
00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:41,842
was to screw the victims
945
00:46:41,886 --> 00:46:43,801
and make it harder for them
to get any money.
946
00:46:47,674 --> 00:46:50,503
Now he's dead,
947
00:46:50,546 --> 00:46:53,811
but because I remained silent
for so long,
948
00:46:53,854 --> 00:46:56,857
the statute of limitations
ran out,
949
00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:59,555
so I'm still, like,
950
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,949
you know, stuck in a position
where this person's, like,
951
00:47:01,993 --> 00:47:04,865
completely ruined my life.
952
00:47:04,909 --> 00:47:06,606
And, like, I can't even
do anything to fix it.
953
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:14,483
Every single day that
I struggle with something
954
00:47:14,527 --> 00:47:17,138
in regards to this,
whether it's financially
955
00:47:17,182 --> 00:47:19,097
or physically or emotionally,
956
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,491
you know,
he wins every time.
957
00:47:28,541 --> 00:47:31,544
It took so long
for me to speak up
958
00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:34,416
and find my voice
and to talk about this,
959
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:36,592
and to become
so public with it...
960
00:47:36,636 --> 00:47:39,595
it was something I didn't
wanna share with anybody ever.
961
00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:54,567
I'm starting to feel sick.
962
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:56,961
But...
963
00:47:57,004 --> 00:47:59,789
it doesn't matter how powerful
somebody appears to be.
964
00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,096
If they are hurting you
in any way,
965
00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:03,619
they are not powerful.
966
00:48:06,057 --> 00:48:07,580
No matter
where you come from
967
00:48:07,623 --> 00:48:09,625
and no matter
what background you have
968
00:48:09,669 --> 00:48:11,627
or what idea
you have in your head
969
00:48:11,671 --> 00:48:13,281
about who you are,
970
00:48:13,325 --> 00:48:15,805
you always have a voice.
971
00:48:15,849 --> 00:48:19,287
It makes me sick to my stomach
that there's perpetrators
972
00:48:19,331 --> 00:48:22,421
out there that obviously
helped him in many ways
973
00:48:22,464 --> 00:48:24,205
for a very long time,
and they're still out there
974
00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:27,165
- with no punishment.
- Right.
975
00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:33,258
Ghislaine Maxwell
is a defendant
976
00:48:33,301 --> 00:48:35,260
in a number of cases
that have been filed
977
00:48:35,303 --> 00:48:40,265
by victims
who were abused by her.
978
00:48:40,308 --> 00:48:42,571
She is very actively
using her team of lawyers
979
00:48:42,615 --> 00:48:45,052
to fight against
that information
980
00:48:45,096 --> 00:48:47,620
being revealed to the public.
981
00:48:47,663 --> 00:48:50,231
She was a key conspirator.
982
00:48:50,275 --> 00:48:52,407
It took many people
to make sure
983
00:48:52,451 --> 00:48:54,801
that this sexual trafficking
operation
984
00:48:54,844 --> 00:48:58,761
ran smoothly and in such
a sophisticated nature.
985
00:48:58,805 --> 00:49:01,329
The hope is,
amongst all the victims,
986
00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:03,984
that the government
will continue to pursue
987
00:49:04,028 --> 00:49:07,945
their investigation
and hold her accountable.
988
00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,730
- Even after
- I left the situation,
989
00:49:10,773 --> 00:49:12,732
even after
I'd cut off communication,
990
00:49:12,775 --> 00:49:17,476
I still really believed
that Ghislaine cared about me.
991
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,087
This was Ghislaine
in the hotel room
992
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:23,961
in Africa unpacking her stuff.
993
00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:26,441
I was in desperate search
for that motherly love
994
00:49:26,485 --> 00:49:29,096
or that female figure
in my life
995
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:31,969
to be there for me
and to have feelings
996
00:49:32,012 --> 00:49:34,623
invested in how my life
turned out.
997
00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:36,930
Kind of a silly moment
for everybody.
998
00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:40,020
Everyone was just kind
of laughing and joking.
999
00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:42,544
I genuinely thought that
she really did care about me,
1000
00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:45,025
and so it was another
just giant blow
1001
00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:48,420
to learn that she was
in on all of it.
1002
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,728
That's it.
1003
00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:00,432
In Epstein's absence,
1004
00:50:00,475 --> 00:50:02,825
I think Ghislaine
is the number one target.
1005
00:50:02,869 --> 00:50:04,479
If Epstein was still alive,
1006
00:50:04,523 --> 00:50:05,872
they may well have
just not bothered
1007
00:50:05,915 --> 00:50:07,395
with Ghislaine
because Epstein,
1008
00:50:07,439 --> 00:50:09,789
he would've been
the head on the stick.
1009
00:50:09,832 --> 00:50:13,314
Now Ghislaine may well be
the head on a stick.
1010
00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:14,837
Not that she wouldn't
deserve it,
1011
00:50:14,881 --> 00:50:16,970
but it would be kind of ironic,
you know,
1012
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,841
that by killing himself,
1013
00:50:18,885 --> 00:50:23,455
Epstein may have sealed
Ghislaine's fate.
1014
00:50:23,498 --> 00:50:26,066
We'd all love
to hear from Ghislaine
1015
00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:27,981
her side of the story,
1016
00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:30,984
but what could it be
except spin
1017
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:35,728
given the incredibly shocking
sort of details
1018
00:50:35,771 --> 00:50:38,992
that these girls have reported?
1019
00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:41,951
I mean, Jeffrey Epstein,
he is where he belongs.
1020
00:50:41,995 --> 00:50:44,171
He would have never stopped.
1021
00:50:44,215 --> 00:50:46,913
And Ghislaine Maxwell,
1022
00:50:46,956 --> 00:50:49,089
I hope your freedom's
taken away.
1023
00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:51,831
I hope you fall very,
very, very far down
1024
00:50:51,874 --> 00:50:53,833
from that pedestal
that you've put yourself on.
1025
00:50:53,876 --> 00:50:55,661
The world knows who you are.
1026
00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:57,141
I know who you are,
1027
00:50:57,184 --> 00:51:00,187
and you're going down, mate.
1028
00:51:00,231 --> 00:51:02,320
You're on a sinking ship.
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