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It's still something
that I'm getting used to...
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the term "survivor."
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This is a way to face my fears.
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I felt like
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I could keep it a secret,
and it was.
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It was my dirty little secret.
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I didn't want to share this
with anybody.
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I would have taken this
to my grave.
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Being abused
by Jeffrey Epstein
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had a toll
on the rest of my life.
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The trauma that I endured
from him is a life sentence.
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Mark.
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- Tape two.
- Marker.
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Every day is unpredictable.
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One day it can be okay,
and the next day,
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it's just brutal.
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Today, we announced
the unsealing
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of sex trafficking charges
against Jeffrey Epstein.
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Epstein allegedly abused
dozens of minors
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at his homes in Manhattan
and Palm Beach, Florida.
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He was completely obsessed
with young girls
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and sex with them.
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Prosecutors are now
looking to properties
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in New Mexico
and the Caribbean.
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- The charges detail
- Epstein's scheme
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to systematically create
the vast network
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of underage girls to abuse.
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Jeffrey had a particularly
elaborate seduction system.
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He had women around him
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that he trained to understand
what he was looking for.
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He always had you
introduce friends
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and the friends introduce
more friends.
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There was times
where I brought
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two and three girls in a day.
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The recruiters
put themselves in places
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where they would find young,
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innocent potential victims
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who were malleable.
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I call it a pyramid scheme,
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and the pyramid scheme
started with
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Jeffrey
and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Ghislaine was
fantastically charming.
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Her British accent
and her connections
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served her well
in recruiting young girls.
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I genuinely thought that
she really did care about me,
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and so it was a giant blow
to learn
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that she was in on all of it.
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They knew exactly how
to pull you in to trust them.
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I went from one person
to the next
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just like a human baton
being passed along.
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He groomed me
to be a personal sex slave
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that brought him
underage girls.
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What is it that you were
told you would have to do?
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By the time
of the sexual assault,
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they were tricked.
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I really didn't want to.
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I don't know.
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The more I kept trying
to resist,
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the more fun he was having.
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As soon as he reached for me,
I was already frozen.
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I was 14.
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I was never the same
after that.
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Some breaking news
right now.
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Disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein
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has taken his own life
while he was behind bars.
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I was just really angry at
how this could have happened.
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This guy has never
been held accountable
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for anything he's done.
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He wins every time.
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Any co-conspirators
should not rest easy.
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The victims deserve justice,
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and they will get it.
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You kinda want
to ask Ghislaine,
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"What the hell
were you thinking?"
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These young women
need to be believed.
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When they told their story
to the police,
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nobody did anything about it.
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Their voices didn't
have value.
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That has to change.
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I just gotta dig deep
and take back my power
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'cause that's the only way
I'm gonna heal.
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I'm not
a young girl anymore.
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I'm gonna fight back.
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I'm just gonna keep on
speaking the truth.
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We need to get to the bottom
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of everybody
who was involved with that.
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The truth has a funny way
of showing its head
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and I'm not stopping
till it does.
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- The FBI arrested
- Ghislaine Maxwell
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around 8:30 this morning
in Bedford, New Hampshire.
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They say she helped
the now-dead millionaire
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sex traffic young girls,
abuse them,
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some as young as 14 years old.
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- I mean, it's so dark.
- He's dead.
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He's mysterious.
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People like myths.
People don't like truth.
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But the survivors
have a story to tell.
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It was, like,
the summer of going
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from eighth to ninth grade.
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I had braces
on half of my teeth.
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I was, uh, young, 14,
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awkward little girl.
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My friend told us about
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this really cool guy
on Palm Beach Island
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who we could make $200 from.
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He just wanted a massage.
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$200 was huge to me,
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and she kind of
played it off like,
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"Oh, you know,
it's really no big deal.
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This guy's super nice.
He has a super nice house,"
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and then she ended up
taking me.
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When you drive over the bridge
to go on Palm Beach Island,
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you could just feel, like,
the money and power.
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I was brought to his house.
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It's, like,
the end of the street,
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the last house.
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Everything's, like,
super secluded
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and super private.
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And it's a beautiful mansion,
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and we walk in,
and there's the chef,
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and, you know, his secretary,
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and these gorgeous women,
barefoot models,
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and here I am 14,
and I remember thinking,
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"Why do they want me?"
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Please raise your right hand.
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Do you swear from the testimony
you're about to give
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will be the truth,
the whole truth,
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- and nothing but the truth?
- Yes, ma'am.
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Thank you.
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- Can you give us your name?
- Jeffrey Epstein.
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Mr. Epstein,
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how long have you been
sexually attracted
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to underage minor females?
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Are you kidding?
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On the multiple times
that I saw him,
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he always appeared
as though he felt
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he was the smartest one
in the room.
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I assert
my fifth, sixth,
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and 14th amendment rights
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to the United States
constitution.
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He had this smirk on him
and carried himself like,
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"I am powerful.
I am wealthy.
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Who are you
to be questioning me?"
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That was the air about him.
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To really understand
the psychology
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of what happened here,
you have to understand
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Jeffrey Epstein
was a master manipulator.
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He used whatever it was that
that young person needed
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in order to force them
to do the things
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he wanted them to do.
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Palm Beach is a very
interesting place.
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You have a very wealthy
segment of the population,
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one of the wealthiest
in the United States,
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and by Palm Beach,
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what I'm talking about
is the island,
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and the island is very
different than the mainland.
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So you go from millionaire
and billionaire row
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on the island
to then a little further west,
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which is more middle class,
to then even further west,
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which is a much lower
socioeconomic group
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living out
in the western communities.
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This was the pool
of young girls
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that he preyed upon the most.
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If you approach a 14,
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15-year-old
private school girl
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that has a Gucci handbag,
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and she hears about
some old guy
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that wants a massage
for a couple hundred dollars,
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they're not gonna respond
to that.
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Take that same proposition
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to a young girl
that's barely getting by.
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That's a different
proposition.
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The easiest prey
is the weakest in the group,
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and that was his method.
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That was his modus operandi.
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- I grew up in
- West Palm Beach, Florida.
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My mom was a single parent.
She was also my hero.
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You know, she was my mom,
my father.
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She was everything.
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She was a superhero
in my eyes,
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but pretty much every time
she got a new boyfriend
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or a new job,
we would move,
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and every time we moved,
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it meant that I was moving
a different school,
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so I was constantly having
to try to make friends.
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It was really, really hard
a lot of the time.
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My mom had been doing drugs
and drinking for a while,
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and she kind of fell off
the deep end.
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I started rebelling more.
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I started acting out
against her,
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and I knew she wasn't
paying attention.
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Our whole lives changed then.
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When I was in middle school,
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in sixth, seventh,
and eighth grade,
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I was a straight A student.
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I was captain
of the cheerleading squad.
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I played first chair trumpet.
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Once I hit teenager years
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is when my life
kinda got rocky.
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My mother dealt
with addiction,
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and we went from having
a house, an apartment,
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to basically living in hotels
and stuff like that.
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This is when
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I went to Jeffrey's
for the first time.
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Me and my friend walk in,
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and you just feel elite
walking into the room.
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My friend brings me upstairs,
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and she's setting up
the massage table
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and putting the towels,
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and then we sit and wait
for him to come in.
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When Jeffrey comes in,
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he just kinda acted like,
"Oh," you know,
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"Hey, hi.
How are you?"
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And laid on the table
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like he just knew what
we were gonna do, you know?
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We gave him a massage
for, like, 30 minutes,
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and then he asked my friend
to go downstairs.
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It's like going over
the railroad tracks.
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Like, your stomach...
you know, that feeling,
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and you just know
it's not right.
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He called me over,
asked me to, um,
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take my bra and panties off,
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to get completely naked.
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All I could think of is I
was just looking at the clock,
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like, "Okay, when is this gonna end?
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How long is this gonna take,
and what is happening?"
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It quickly transitions
to him molesting me.
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I just went along with it
because it's like,
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I'm just, uh,
you know, a child.
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I remember walking down
the staircase after.
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I'm given the $200,
and I'm like,
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so upset and disgusted
and just feeling like,
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"I'll never come back here
ever again."
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And then, you know,
after a week went by,
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I just, like, downplayed
the situation myself.
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It was like, you know,
"Maybe it wasn't so bad,
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and I could go back
because I do need more money,"
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and it was just, uh...
it was just this sick cycle,
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and that's what happened,
you know?
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I was working in
the North Palm Beach area.
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The case came to my firm
originally
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from the first young girl
that actually went to police.
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The reason why
I wanted to talk to you
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is I am conducting
an ongoing investigation.
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You're a witness,
possibly a victim.
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She had been
enticed over there
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because it was
quick, easy money
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to give this older man
a massage.
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We start hearing these
unbelievable stories
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of numbers and numbers
of young girls
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from her high school
that had gone over there.
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You solemnly swear
to tell the truth,
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the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
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so help you God?
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And initially we said,
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"This is too gruesome
and too awful
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to be even true...
or close to the truth."
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Tell me from the beginning
how you met this gentleman.
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What is it that you were told
you would have to do?
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At any point did he ask you
to remove your clothes?
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Did he touch your breasts?
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Did he touch your
vaginal area?
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And did you have intercourse
with him?
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Almost every single one
of the young girls
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were in high school,
and most of them
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were under the age of 18,
some as young as 14.
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All of these young girls
were children,
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and a lot of them
were afraid.
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Just take a deep breath.
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You're not the only person
that he's done this to.
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Okay?
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- I've talked to a lot of girls.
- Uh-huh.
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Almost 40 girls.
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As we learn more and more
about the case
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and the breadth of it,
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it goes from,
"I can't believe this,"
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as an attorney,
to, "Oh, my God.
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I can't believe
this is actually happening."
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People ask why
victims of Jeffrey Epstein
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went back to his house
after the first assault.
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Jeffrey Epstein knew exactly
what he was doing.
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He took the time to groom them
and to figure out
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what about
that particular individual
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he could exploit
to fill a void
285
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maybe that wasn't being
filled elsewhere.
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I think I had a job
at, like, Miami Subs,
287
00:15:55,476 --> 00:15:57,478
but, you know, I definitely
didn't have any money.
288
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I thought Jeffrey
was my saving grace.
289
00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:05,442
He's just, you know,
trying to help me out, really,
290
00:16:05,529 --> 00:16:07,705
and he's gonna pay me $200
for this massage, like,
291
00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:10,273
so when he,
you know, came in,
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I acted like I was comfortable
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and that I was okay
with everything,
294
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and I'm not really sure why...
how or why that happened.
295
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A perpetrator who has
a propensity for children
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tends to understand that
they won't get what they want
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from fear,
298
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so they tend to use seduction.
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The hook was money in exchange
for a simple task...
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to do a massage.
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00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:38,693
Preying on Courtney's
financial vulnerability,
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00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:42,044
Jeffrey Epstein made
another offer, which was,
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00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:44,307
"Any person
that you bring to me
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"that's of the same age as you,
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00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,921
I'll pay you
a $200 finder's fee."
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00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,924
And Courtney then began,
when she was at school,
307
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,404
when she was at
social gatherings
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with other
14, 15, 16 year olds,
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when she was at the mall,
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making the same offer
that had been offered to her,
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00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:03,109
which led to Courtney
probably bringing
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00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:05,633
30 other minors
to Jeffrey Epstein's house.
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00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:10,290
His type was basically
very young,
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white teenagers.
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Once I got comfortable with,
like, approaching girls
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00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:19,255
and kind of finessing them
in a way to, like, say,
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"Oh, it's just a massage
and you just have to do this,"
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00:17:21,823 --> 00:17:24,217
and making it sound
oh-so-good for them to go,
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00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:26,871
there was times where
I brought two and three girls
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00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:29,135
in a day.
321
00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:34,662
He groomed me to be exactly
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a personal sex slave that
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00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:41,495
brought him underage girls.
324
00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:43,975
You know, these are my friends
that I brought.
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It wasn't just the way
that the girl looked.
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It was the whole set up.
It was the whole manipulation.
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00:17:54,769 --> 00:17:57,859
It was the whole trickery,
328
00:17:57,946 --> 00:18:00,122
and he was manipulating
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00:18:00,209 --> 00:18:03,169
vulnerable
and alone individuals,
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00:18:03,256 --> 00:18:07,303
girls that he knew wouldn't
have any adult in their life
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00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,436
who would stand up for them,
either,
332
00:18:09,523 --> 00:18:12,047
and I think
that is part of the deviance
333
00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:13,788
for Jeffrey Epstein.
334
00:18:16,007 --> 00:18:17,661
When this was all happening
335
00:18:17,748 --> 00:18:19,794
and I went
to Jeffrey Epstein's house,
336
00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:24,103
my mom was in jail
or had just gotten out of jail.
337
00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:26,496
One of my friends had asked me
if I wanted to come stay
338
00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:28,150
the weekend with her,
and she's like,
339
00:18:28,237 --> 00:18:29,717
"I have this one girlfriend
340
00:18:29,804 --> 00:18:31,762
and we can go over there
and hang out."
341
00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:35,375
It was in a trailer park
in Palm Beach County.
342
00:18:35,462 --> 00:18:38,204
There was about
four or five other girls
343
00:18:38,291 --> 00:18:42,991
just talking about stuff
like teenage girls do,
344
00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:47,387
and then someone started
making jokes about Jeffrey.
345
00:18:47,474 --> 00:18:50,172
"He just likes young girls
to give him a massage."
346
00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:51,782
They're, like, giggling,
347
00:18:51,869 --> 00:18:54,176
and making fun
pretty much of him
348
00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:56,526
and just how easy it was
to make $200.
349
00:18:58,441 --> 00:19:01,705
The main girl dressed me
and did my makeup
350
00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:04,447
and did my hair.
351
00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:07,885
I felt kind of pretty because I
was getting to wear her clothes
352
00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:10,758
and she was pretty,
and she was...
353
00:19:10,845 --> 00:19:13,239
what seemed to be popular.
354
00:19:13,326 --> 00:19:14,979
She was giving me attention,
355
00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,808
which I really needed
at that time.
356
00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:22,422
She seemed so comfortable with
going like it's no big deal.
357
00:19:22,509 --> 00:19:23,901
I just thought,
you know,
358
00:19:23,988 --> 00:19:25,512
it couldn't be too bad
359
00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:26,817
if these other people
have done it.
360
00:19:29,211 --> 00:19:32,693
It was the first time
that I had been on the island.
361
00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:35,913
I'd never really been
in that type of money.
362
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960
We shopped at Walmart
or Target.
363
00:19:39,047 --> 00:19:42,442
Just the boats alone as
you're going over the bridge,
364
00:19:42,529 --> 00:19:44,400
it's straight out
of the movies.
365
00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:46,185
You're like,
366
00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:49,231
"Who the heck can ever afford
something like this?"
367
00:19:53,627 --> 00:19:58,284
Mr. Epstein, is it true you
were born January 20th, 1953?
368
00:19:58,371 --> 00:20:01,025
- Yes.
- Where?
369
00:20:01,112 --> 00:20:03,027
- New York.
- Where in New York?
370
00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:04,551
Brooklyn.
371
00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:11,035
Jeffrey Epstein was a kid
from a working class family.
372
00:20:11,122 --> 00:20:13,255
He grew up in Coney Island.
373
00:20:13,342 --> 00:20:16,606
His dad worked for the New
York City Parks Department,
374
00:20:16,693 --> 00:20:19,218
and his parents instilled
in him and his brother
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00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,524
that education was the key
to get on.
376
00:20:21,611 --> 00:20:23,396
Epstein is very gifted.
377
00:20:23,483 --> 00:20:25,354
Skips two grades,
378
00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:28,357
graduates at the age of 16,
and he gets accepted
379
00:20:28,444 --> 00:20:30,185
into a very difficult
to get into college
380
00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:31,621
called Cooper Union.
381
00:20:31,708 --> 00:20:33,406
What'd you study?
382
00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:35,277
Physics.
383
00:20:35,364 --> 00:20:37,584
And, uh, why did you
leave college early?
384
00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:42,458
I intend to respond
to all relevant questions
385
00:20:42,545 --> 00:20:44,112
regarding this lawsuit.
386
00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:45,592
He didn't actually
finish his degree.
387
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:48,638
He dropped out,
and then in 1974,
388
00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:52,120
he somehow gets a job
teaching at Dalton,
389
00:20:52,207 --> 00:20:54,209
which is an exclusive school
390
00:20:54,296 --> 00:20:55,863
on the upper east side
of Manhattan,
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00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:58,474
where very wealthy,
very powerful people
392
00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:01,564
send their children.
393
00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:04,959
Jeffrey was part
of the math department.
394
00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:06,656
He was young.
395
00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:09,180
About 20 years old.
396
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:13,272
This is not your typical
Dalton teacher.
397
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,624
Usually, they did not
sport wide lapels,
398
00:21:17,711 --> 00:21:20,409
gold chains,
and open shirts,
399
00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:23,325
exposing a certain amount
of chest.
400
00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:27,329
Straight out
of "Saturday Night Fever."
401
00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:30,158
He came from
a different social class
402
00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:32,682
to a school that attracted
403
00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:35,903
a number of very,
very affluent families.
404
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:37,557
For Epstein,
405
00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:39,602
this was a really important
first step
406
00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:43,171
on his ascendancy to the world
in which he wanted to live.
407
00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:44,520
If he didn't have the money
408
00:21:44,607 --> 00:21:47,131
to be those kind of people
just yet,
409
00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:48,481
he was gonna rub shoulders
with them.
410
00:21:48,568 --> 00:21:49,873
He was gonna make connections,
411
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,006
and that's exactly
what happened.
412
00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:55,662
It's very possible that
he encountered a student
413
00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:58,882
who was related
to the management
414
00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:03,365
at Bear Stearns that provided
him with a stepping stone
415
00:22:03,452 --> 00:22:07,369
to his Wall Street career.
416
00:22:07,456 --> 00:22:10,067
- After two years on the job,
- Epstein left.
417
00:22:10,154 --> 00:22:12,026
He claims that he wanted
to go on to Wall Street,
418
00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:13,810
but there was also
the suggestion that
419
00:22:13,897 --> 00:22:16,770
he was fired because his
performance wasn't improving.
420
00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:20,426
You're seeing the first
of many myth-making moments
421
00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:24,081
where there's some dispute
about how he exits somewhere.
422
00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:27,389
Jeffrey went to work
for Ace Greenberg
423
00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,652
at Bear Stearns after Dalton.
424
00:22:29,739 --> 00:22:31,698
Greenberg had this term
425
00:22:31,785 --> 00:22:34,265
for people he was looking for
to work at Bear Stearns.
426
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:35,832
PSDs...
427
00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:38,226
poor, smart,
and desperate to succeed.
428
00:22:38,313 --> 00:22:40,794
Epstein very much
fit that mold.
429
00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:43,362
Epstein skyrockets there.
430
00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:45,625
He starts at 23.
431
00:22:45,712 --> 00:22:49,019
In four years,
he's a limited partner.
432
00:22:49,106 --> 00:22:50,717
1980, he's actually
433
00:22:50,804 --> 00:22:53,589
a "Cosmopolitan"
Bachelor of the Month.
434
00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:55,417
He says that
he only talks to people
435
00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:56,766
if they make a million
or more per year.
436
00:22:58,464 --> 00:23:01,510
1981,
there's a suspicious trade,
437
00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,339
which later became
an insider trading case,
438
00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:08,082
and Epstein resigns
not long after the trade.
439
00:23:10,345 --> 00:23:12,739
Again, there's some dispute
over what actually happened.
440
00:23:12,826 --> 00:23:14,436
Epstein says
he wanted to leave
441
00:23:14,523 --> 00:23:16,003
and start his own company.
442
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:17,918
As with Dalton,
443
00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:19,789
there's sort of two pictures
that emerge...
444
00:23:19,876 --> 00:23:22,313
Epstein's story
and then the official story,
445
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,446
which perhaps paints
a different picture.
446
00:23:24,533 --> 00:23:27,144
When Jeffrey Epstein met me,
447
00:23:27,231 --> 00:23:29,886
it was 1987.
448
00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:33,237
I was the CEO
of a company that did
449
00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:36,371
a billion and a half dollars
a year on collections.
450
00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:40,984
It was Epstein
that had the vision
451
00:23:41,071 --> 00:23:45,119
to make it
a major Ponzi company.
452
00:23:45,206 --> 00:23:48,296
He was open and transparent
in telling me
453
00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:51,386
that he had no moral compass.
454
00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:53,301
Steven Hoffenberg
ran a company
455
00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:54,998
called Towers Financial.
456
00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:56,870
Legitimate business,
457
00:23:56,957 --> 00:23:59,612
but you can get rich a lot
quicker doing a Ponzi scheme,
458
00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:02,005
assuming you don't get caught.
459
00:24:02,092 --> 00:24:04,443
But it got caught.
460
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:08,272
Only one person takes the fall
for the Towers scheme.
461
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,756
I spent 18 years
in federal prison.
462
00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:15,715
Even though
according to Hoffenberg,
463
00:24:15,802 --> 00:24:18,544
Epstein was at the absolute
center of this operation,
464
00:24:18,631 --> 00:24:21,155
he wasn't prosecuted.
465
00:24:21,242 --> 00:24:24,941
Jeffrey Epstein
created an entire method
466
00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:28,684
of how he would seduce people.
467
00:24:28,771 --> 00:24:31,644
A true seductive person
468
00:24:31,731 --> 00:24:34,821
has the ability to understand
what you're thinking,
469
00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:37,737
and Jeffrey Epstein
was a king...
470
00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:41,654
a master of seduction.
471
00:24:41,741 --> 00:24:47,224
He felt he had protection
from the rule of law.
472
00:24:47,311 --> 00:24:50,880
He was not concerned.
473
00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:14,730
His behavior
really was sociopathic...
474
00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:17,603
manipulativeness, superficial charm,
475
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:20,170
uh, lack of anxiety,
476
00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:23,391
and predominantly,
lack of empathy.
477
00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:26,437
He made a choice to act on
these sexual impulses
478
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,091
in the way he did,
479
00:25:28,178 --> 00:25:30,050
and he made a choice
480
00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:33,532
to exploit
vulnerable individuals.
481
00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:35,403
I definitely
looked the youngest
482
00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:37,318
out of a lot of my friends.
483
00:25:37,405 --> 00:25:40,756
They would joke around and say
that I was Virgin Mary.
484
00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,889
I was scared to do
any of that stuff, like,
485
00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:45,674
to have sex or anything,
so, um...
486
00:25:45,761 --> 00:25:48,590
and embarrassed
of my body, too.
487
00:25:48,677 --> 00:25:53,029
The fact that
he viewed them as untouched,
488
00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:56,729
unsullied virginal
was a big part of it for him.
489
00:25:56,816 --> 00:25:58,731
That's why he's going
to a middle school
490
00:25:58,818 --> 00:26:00,950
or a high school.
491
00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:05,912
I was nervous.
492
00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:07,478
Once I entered the house,
493
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,785
the nerves were there.
494
00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:11,265
The girl that had
brought us there
495
00:26:11,352 --> 00:26:13,223
took me right upstairs.
496
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,225
She said that he was gonna
come in in a few minutes,
497
00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:19,403
uh, and kinda left me.
498
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:20,840
The biggest thing
that I remember
499
00:26:20,927 --> 00:26:24,104
is his, like, smirk smile.
500
00:26:24,191 --> 00:26:27,455
The way that his mouth
cuts into the sides
501
00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:31,415
reminded me very much so
of, like, a clown smile.
502
00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:34,549
He laid belly down
on the table.
503
00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:38,988
He asked me to get undressed
and just stand in my underwear.
504
00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:41,687
He was just very adamant,
almost like a parent.
505
00:26:41,774 --> 00:26:43,079
Like, "Pick up your shoes."
506
00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:44,167
Like, you know
they mean business.
507
00:26:44,254 --> 00:26:45,473
They're not gonna get loud.
508
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,517
They're not gonna
tell you again.
509
00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,128
You're just gonna do it.
510
00:26:48,215 --> 00:26:49,782
It made me feel
very uncomfortable,
511
00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:51,566
but I did as I was told.
512
00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:55,788
He was... he was the adult,
and I was a child.
513
00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,573
As soon as he reached for me,
I was already frozen.
514
00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:03,491
Almost numb
to what was going on.
515
00:27:03,578 --> 00:27:07,974
Like, a frozen state
of shock.
516
00:27:08,061 --> 00:27:09,845
And he kept touching
around my underwear
517
00:27:09,932 --> 00:27:12,456
and under my underwear
518
00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:15,677
and I finally told him
to stop.
519
00:27:15,764 --> 00:27:18,158
He told me, "I'll stop if you
just take your underwear off
520
00:27:18,245 --> 00:27:20,160
so I can look."
521
00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:23,250
He started with
asking for a massage
522
00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:25,295
and then he asked
for a massage
523
00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:27,994
with a girl in her
bra and panties,
524
00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:29,909
and then he progressed
from there.
525
00:27:29,996 --> 00:27:33,303
Inoculating a victim
526
00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:36,002
is part of the process
of grooming them.
527
00:27:36,089 --> 00:27:39,875
Once somebody
has participated,
528
00:27:39,962 --> 00:27:44,314
they almost universally
feel like used goods.
529
00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:46,708
They feel damaged.
They feel dirty.
530
00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:50,538
They feel worthless.
531
00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:52,105
He had told me
that I looked so pure
532
00:27:52,192 --> 00:27:54,107
while he was touching me.
533
00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:55,848
It felt weird for him
to call me that
534
00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,241
as he was touching me.
535
00:27:58,328 --> 00:28:00,287
I was afraid.
536
00:28:00,374 --> 00:28:03,899
I was very afraid
of what was gonna happen.
537
00:28:03,986 --> 00:28:05,684
He definitely had the control.
538
00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:07,163
I was in his house.
539
00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,081
He took his towel,
540
00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,170
wiped himself off,
got up off the table,
541
00:28:14,257 --> 00:28:16,738
and walked out of the room.
542
00:28:16,825 --> 00:28:20,002
Once we walked out of the door
to go get into the cab,
543
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:23,614
I was instantly in tears.
544
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,616
My friends didn't
say anything to me,
545
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,923
and the other girl told me
to shut the up
546
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:30,012
and threw $200 at me.
547
00:28:32,362 --> 00:28:36,932
He took girls who already
had problems with self-esteem.
548
00:28:37,019 --> 00:28:39,065
They go along with it.
549
00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:41,894
They feel even worse
about themselves,
550
00:28:41,981 --> 00:28:43,678
and that perpetuates it.
551
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:46,942
"I am worthless.
I am dirty.
552
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:48,988
"Why should I bother
to treat myself
553
00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,120
"any better
than he's treating me?
554
00:28:51,207 --> 00:28:54,428
Because, yeah, this confirms
what I feel about myself."
555
00:28:54,515 --> 00:28:57,474
One sexual assault
can completely change
556
00:28:57,561 --> 00:29:02,871
the quality of life
for the victim for years.
557
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:05,004
They push that reality
as far away
558
00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:06,962
from their conscious mind
as they can.
559
00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:08,964
They use drugs.
They use alcohol.
560
00:29:09,051 --> 00:29:11,837
They may use sex so that
they don't think about it,
561
00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:13,403
so that they don't feel it.
562
00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:17,277
When high school started,
563
00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:19,453
I was going to school
and skipping
564
00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:22,673
and getting picked up
by truancy.
565
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,198
I'm probably about
16 years old about this time.
566
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:28,897
This is when I start, like,
dabbling with drugs.
567
00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:30,725
Any time before I go
to Jeffrey's house,
568
00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:34,424
I take Xanax to, you know,
calm down
569
00:29:34,511 --> 00:29:37,253
and not have to feel anything.
570
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,603
I end up dropping
out of school
571
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:42,563
and it just, like... my life
just spirals downhill.
572
00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:47,437
Before I got to him,
573
00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,353
I was starting to go through
a rebellious stage.
574
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,051
Typical teen stuff,
575
00:29:52,138 --> 00:29:55,358
but after the whole situation
with him,
576
00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:58,144
with how the girl that brought
us there treated me,
577
00:29:58,231 --> 00:29:59,710
I was different.
578
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,191
I was angry at myself
about this...
579
00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:03,758
putting myself
in that position.
580
00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,674
How stupid could I have been?
581
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:09,633
I started spiraling
a little bit more
582
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,158
and definitely being
more promiscuous.
583
00:30:12,245 --> 00:30:13,812
It felt like, you know,
584
00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:15,770
someone had already tooken
something from me
585
00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:17,990
that maybe I could have
more control over
586
00:30:18,077 --> 00:30:20,906
if I was making the calls,
587
00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:25,519
and when you think that way,
you really don't have control.
588
00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:30,045
You're making hasty decisions
because you're hurting so bad.
589
00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:31,699
I was never the same
after that.
590
00:30:42,623 --> 00:30:44,494
The '90s and the 2000s
591
00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:47,280
are the glory days
for Jeffrey Epstein.
592
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:50,674
It's when he becomes
what he really wanted to be,
593
00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:53,895
which is a member
of the billionaire class.
594
00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:55,592
He was still rough
around the edges.
595
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,116
You know, he was still
this kid from Brooklyn.
596
00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,422
He still had
his Brooklyn accent.
597
00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:01,120
He was ascending,
598
00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:04,863
but there was still
society in New York.
599
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,387
You had to know how to behave,
600
00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,128
and you had to know
how to know people,
601
00:31:09,215 --> 00:31:10,869
and, you know,
there was a club,
602
00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,480
and Jeffrey was interested
in being in that club.
603
00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,743
It's sort of like
"The Talented Mr. Ripley."
604
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:18,006
He was appropriating
an identity,
605
00:31:18,093 --> 00:31:19,747
trying it out.
606
00:31:19,834 --> 00:31:21,967
I was surprised
to find myself
607
00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:24,273
in Jeffrey Epstein's
little black book,
608
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,494
but nearly everyone
in that book it seems
609
00:31:27,581 --> 00:31:30,105
was a great friend
of Ghislaine.
610
00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:32,499
Ghislaine Maxwell
is a British socialite,
611
00:31:32,586 --> 00:31:34,066
and she was basically born
612
00:31:34,153 --> 00:31:36,459
with a silver spoon
in her mouth.
613
00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:39,375
- The first time
- I met Ghislaine was in 1999.
614
00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:41,290
We met through a bunch
of mutual friends
615
00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:42,944
who'd been at Oxford with her.
616
00:31:43,031 --> 00:31:44,903
I wrote afterwards,
617
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,948
"She's full
of wicked good fun."
618
00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:48,297
I'd like to know
how many of you
619
00:31:48,384 --> 00:31:51,126
would like to fly on a plane
620
00:31:51,213 --> 00:31:55,435
if only 15% of planes were
talking to air traffic control.
621
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,524
Anyone?
622
00:31:57,611 --> 00:32:00,831
She was highly intelligent,
and spending time with her,
623
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,269
you're so completely aware
of how well-connected she is.
624
00:32:03,356 --> 00:32:06,576
She is the youngest daughter
of Robert Maxwell,
625
00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:09,405
who was
a British newspaper tycoon.
626
00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:11,973
Ghislaine was doted on
by her father
627
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:14,236
and he named his yacht
Lady Ghislaine after her,
628
00:32:14,323 --> 00:32:17,370
but in 1991,
629
00:32:17,457 --> 00:32:20,112
Robert Maxwell, sailing around
the Canary Islands,
630
00:32:20,199 --> 00:32:22,070
died in
mysterious circumstances.
631
00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,898
When he died,
632
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,421
we learned
that he'd been stealing
633
00:32:25,508 --> 00:32:28,250
from the pension funds
of his workers.
634
00:32:28,337 --> 00:32:30,209
Hundreds
of working class people
635
00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:31,819
lose their retirement income
636
00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:34,953
because of Maxwell's
financial fraud.
637
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,216
Suddenly, all the money had vanished.
638
00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:39,653
Her family were plagued
by scandal.
639
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:42,438
They were hated in the UK,
640
00:32:42,525 --> 00:32:45,441
so under this huge cloud,
Ghislaine moves to America.
641
00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:50,533
Lots of people are still
trying to figure out
642
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:52,274
how Ghislaine and Jeffrey met.
643
00:32:52,361 --> 00:32:55,974
I wish I knew,
but it just seemed like
644
00:32:56,061 --> 00:32:58,715
Jeffrey had very quickly
taken the place of her father.
645
00:32:58,802 --> 00:33:02,197
- At the time,
- Epstein was on the rise.
646
00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:04,373
Ghislaine's kind of
on the way down
647
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:05,896
and they meet in the middle.
648
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:07,681
Both of them had something
649
00:33:07,768 --> 00:33:09,204
that the other one
desperately needed.
650
00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,033
He was her boyfriend,
651
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,688
but she was also
his gal Friday.
652
00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:17,299
She leapt to the occasion
when there was anything
653
00:33:17,386 --> 00:33:20,259
that he needed
that she could provide,
654
00:33:20,346 --> 00:33:24,393
and she hugely expanded
Jeffrey's social universe.
655
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,875
She opened doors for him
to people like the Clintons,
656
00:33:27,962 --> 00:33:29,572
to Prince Andrew.
657
00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:31,183
You know, she introduced him
to high society.
658
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,619
He was starting
to get the money,
659
00:33:32,706 --> 00:33:33,533
but he didn't have
the finesse,
660
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:34,795
the class,
661
00:33:34,882 --> 00:33:37,406
and that's what Ghislaine
gave him.
662
00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:39,278
You would agree,
would you not,
663
00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:42,977
that Ghislaine Maxwell
shares your sexual obsession
664
00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:44,935
for underage minor females?
665
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,068
- Argumentative.
- Speculation.
666
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:49,940
Ghislaine Maxwell
was intricately
667
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,681
involved with Jeffrey Epstein.
668
00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:55,250
The two of them created
this world that allowed
669
00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:58,732
Jeffrey Epstein to abuse
so many young women.
670
00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:05,260
Mar-a-Lago spa
is Donald Trump's place
671
00:34:05,347 --> 00:34:06,479
in Palm Beach.
672
00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:08,916
It's just gorgeous.
673
00:34:09,003 --> 00:34:11,179
I'd only been at my job
with Mar-a-Lago
674
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,399
for a couple weeks,
but it didn't take me that long
675
00:34:13,486 --> 00:34:15,618
to realize, like,
this is where I wanna be.
676
00:34:15,705 --> 00:34:16,880
This is what I wanna do.
677
00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:21,363
My duties there were
in the spa area,
678
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:23,409
so I would hand out
fresh towels.
679
00:34:23,496 --> 00:34:26,803
I loved working,
just, with these, you know,
680
00:34:26,890 --> 00:34:28,805
beautiful massage therapists
and they'd come
681
00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:30,938
and talk to me all the time
and I was really interested.
682
00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:32,461
So I went to a library.
683
00:34:32,548 --> 00:34:34,594
I rented a book
on massage therapy.
684
00:34:36,944 --> 00:34:40,252
Ghislaine Maxwell
approached me at the spa area.
685
00:34:40,339 --> 00:34:43,516
She was, like,
this really bright,
686
00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,823
Mary Poppins kind of a...
a figure and she said,
687
00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:49,913
"Oh, you're reading
a book on massage therapy,"
688
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,481
and, you know,
we started talking.
689
00:34:52,568 --> 00:34:54,135
And she goes,
"Oh, you know what?
690
00:34:54,222 --> 00:34:55,397
"I know this guy.
691
00:34:55,484 --> 00:34:57,138
"There's an opportunity, actually.
692
00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:59,445
"If you wanna become
a real massage therapist,
693
00:34:59,532 --> 00:35:01,621
"we can get you trained.
694
00:35:01,708 --> 00:35:03,884
"You can come
for the interview tonight,
695
00:35:03,971 --> 00:35:07,322
"and if he likes you,
then you'll be a real masseuse.
696
00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:09,107
"And you'll get
to see the world.
697
00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:11,457
And you'll get paid
$200 per massage,"
698
00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:13,589
and it... like,
no alarm bells went off
699
00:35:13,676 --> 00:35:16,114
because it was
this proper English lady
700
00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:18,028
who just looked so nice.
701
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,900
And when I asked her why,
and she said,
702
00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:21,423
"Oh, we're like
philanthropists.
703
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:23,077
"We like to go out
and help people
704
00:35:23,164 --> 00:35:25,862
and make people's
lives better."
705
00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:27,560
Epstein's victims
have talked about
706
00:35:27,647 --> 00:35:29,997
how they weren't sure
who this guy was,
707
00:35:30,084 --> 00:35:32,739
but because Ghislaine
seemed so proper,
708
00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:34,828
surely it's gotta be legit.
709
00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,439
Her posh upbringing
and her accent
710
00:35:37,526 --> 00:35:39,702
gave this veneer
of respectability.
711
00:35:39,789 --> 00:35:41,051
Coming from a woman,
712
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,967
I think that was
incredibly manipulative,
713
00:35:44,054 --> 00:35:46,318
and I think it was
absolutely critical
714
00:35:46,405 --> 00:35:47,710
in Epstein's operation.
715
00:35:53,803 --> 00:35:56,371
Jeffrey wasn't
my first abuser.
716
00:35:56,458 --> 00:35:58,504
At seven, when I started
getting abused
717
00:35:58,591 --> 00:36:00,723
by a family member,
718
00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:03,987
my childhood
was quickly stolen from me.
719
00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:06,033
I just started
kind of imploding.
720
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,340
I would, you know, run away.
721
00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:11,169
I would be on the streets
for days at a time.
722
00:36:11,256 --> 00:36:14,781
So I was pretty vulnerable by
the time I get to Mar-a-Lago.
723
00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:17,262
When you are sexually
assaulted as a child,
724
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:20,090
you are not learning
about yourself
725
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,310
and your own agency
726
00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:24,007
and what you do
when you find yourself
727
00:36:24,094 --> 00:36:26,227
in uncomfortable
circumstances.
728
00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:29,143
And you don't know
the appropriate roles
729
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:32,233
between different individuals
because everything is twisted.
730
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,630
Jeffrey Epstein knew
how to manipulate those
731
00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:40,502
who were especially
vulnerable.
732
00:36:42,939 --> 00:36:44,811
It was probably
a five-minute drive
733
00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:47,466
from Mar-a-Lago
to El Brillo Way.
734
00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:49,424
My dad brought me over.
735
00:36:49,511 --> 00:36:51,209
When he shakes hands
with Ghislaine,
736
00:36:51,296 --> 00:36:52,993
she promises that
she'll take good care of me
737
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,343
and she will have someone
drive me home.
738
00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:01,654
She led me up the staircase
739
00:37:01,741 --> 00:37:07,442
and we made a right
into Jeffrey's room.
740
00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:09,879
And then you go curve around,
see his bathroom...
741
00:37:12,404 --> 00:37:16,495
And Jeffrey laying naked
on the massage table.
742
00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:19,149
Jeffrey lifts his head up,
looks at Ghislaine,
743
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:20,673
Ghislaine looks at him,
744
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,023
and I call it
the Cheshire Cat grin
745
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:25,199
because his face
just went like this,
746
00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:27,854
and it was like
a nod of approval.
747
00:37:27,941 --> 00:37:29,595
Ghislaine got me quickly
into, like,
748
00:37:29,682 --> 00:37:31,292
"Here's the lotions.
Here's the oils.
749
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:33,425
"We're gonna each take
half of his body
750
00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:35,514
so you can follow
my instructions."
751
00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,560
It just looked like
a legitimate massage.
752
00:37:38,647 --> 00:37:42,303
Then they also started asking
me questions about my life.
753
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,436
I really, really
wanted this job,
754
00:37:44,523 --> 00:37:47,134
so I opened up to them.
755
00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:48,875
I said, "Look,
756
00:37:48,962 --> 00:37:51,007
"this is an opportunity
of a lifetime for me.
757
00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:54,750
I've been on the streets.
I've been abused."
758
00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:56,665
And, um,
759
00:37:56,752 --> 00:37:58,841
that's the worst thing
that I could've done
760
00:37:58,928 --> 00:38:01,540
'cause I just let them know
that I'm vulnerable,
761
00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:04,978
and, um,
I'm their perfect type.
762
00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:30,525
Whenever Ghislaine
spoke about Jeffrey,
763
00:38:30,612 --> 00:38:33,572
there was a kind of flash
of excitement in her eyes.
764
00:38:33,659 --> 00:38:36,879
She seemed utterly
fascinated and thrilled
765
00:38:36,966 --> 00:38:39,882
with the life
that he offered her,
766
00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:44,104
and it seemed like she would
go to any kind of length
767
00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:47,150
to satisfy his whims.
768
00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:48,848
She'd been dating him
for a little while
769
00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:52,373
when she asked me to write
a song for his birthday.
770
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:53,940
I barely knew him,
771
00:38:54,027 --> 00:38:55,724
but Ghislaine
was very specific
772
00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:57,639
about certain phrases
and information
773
00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,511
that had to be in the song.
774
00:38:59,598 --> 00:39:01,513
Jeffrey was turning 40,
775
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,559
so I figured it would be
a big party.
776
00:39:04,646 --> 00:39:08,607
Turned out there were only
six guys wearing black tie.
777
00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:12,611
Les Wexner was the dean
of the Harvard Business School
778
00:39:12,698 --> 00:39:16,092
and Itzhak Perlman
the violinist was there,
779
00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:20,314
smoking cigars and
drinking brandy after dinner.
780
00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:21,968
It felt like kind of
a convention
781
00:39:22,055 --> 00:39:24,666
of masters of the universe.
782
00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:26,886
She asked me
to knock on the door
783
00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:29,584
at the appointed hour,
walk in,
784
00:39:29,671 --> 00:39:33,806
sit on the floor,
and perform the song.
785
00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:36,896
"Poor Jeffrey Epstein is 40.
Oy vey.
786
00:39:36,983 --> 00:39:40,029
"Life must be tough.
His hair is already so gray.
787
00:39:40,116 --> 00:39:42,031
"He sure looks older,
but it's clear from his smile
788
00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:44,556
"the older he gets,
the more juvenile.
789
00:39:44,643 --> 00:39:47,559
"Ghislaine is lavishing him
with her affections.
790
00:39:47,646 --> 00:39:50,257
"She claims he has
24-hour erections.
791
00:39:50,344 --> 00:39:52,520
"Sounds like he's busy.
Now, ain't that berserk?
792
00:39:52,607 --> 00:39:55,044
How does he find the time
to get off to work?"
793
00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:56,916
God, I feel so...
794
00:39:57,003 --> 00:39:59,309
it seems so creepy
reading it now, I'm afraid.
795
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,137
Um...
796
00:40:01,224 --> 00:40:03,836
"He wakes when the cock crows
while everyone slumbers.
797
00:40:03,923 --> 00:40:06,273
"He rivals Einstein
when crunching those numbers.
798
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,796
"Taught math at Dalton.
799
00:40:07,883 --> 00:40:09,972
"The naughty boy blushes
to think of school girls
800
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:12,584
and all of their crushes."
801
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:14,542
You know, kind of snickers
in the room,
802
00:40:14,629 --> 00:40:16,196
and it seemed like
that was something
803
00:40:16,283 --> 00:40:18,372
that was known about him
at the time,
804
00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:21,114
that he liked younger girls.
805
00:40:23,072 --> 00:40:25,640
It's that odd thing
of something that seems
806
00:40:25,727 --> 00:40:28,251
tongue in cheek, but that
you have no real sense
807
00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:33,953
of how utterly depraved
his intentions were.
808
00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:43,005
I was told by Jeffrey
and Ghislaine
809
00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:46,618
during my very first
so-called interview with them
810
00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:48,707
that they had homes
all over the world.
811
00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:50,883
New Mexico,
New York,
812
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:52,798
they were getting
one in France,
813
00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:54,626
and the Virgin Islands.
814
00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:57,672
So you're instantly aware
that these were
815
00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:00,414
rich and powerfully
persuasive people,
816
00:41:00,501 --> 00:41:03,199
and so,
the fear of that's like,
817
00:41:03,286 --> 00:41:04,940
"What happens if I do say no?"
818
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:09,858
The massage seemed legitimate
at first.
819
00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:12,382
Ghislaine grabbed one foot,
I grabbed the other,
820
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,689
and she says, "You always
wanna keep one hand
821
00:41:14,776 --> 00:41:17,344
on the body when
you're massaging somebody,"
822
00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:20,956
and then he turns over
and the entire thing changed.
823
00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:24,482
They said,
"Take off your clothes."
824
00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:27,354
I had these
little girl undies on,
825
00:41:27,441 --> 00:41:29,399
like, little hearts on them,
I remember,
826
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,185
and they were laughing at that
because they liked that.
827
00:41:32,272 --> 00:41:34,317
The younger you look,
the better it is.
828
00:41:34,404 --> 00:41:37,016
So I... I stripped down.
Ghislaine stripped down.
829
00:41:37,103 --> 00:41:39,714
It turned in...
it turned very sexual.
830
00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:44,458
Um, it was abuse right away
from both of them.
831
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,073
Stuff that I knew had...
that I had already known, um,
832
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,728
because I'd been abused before,
and it felt just like that.
833
00:41:56,035 --> 00:41:58,385
My new happy brain
just shut off,
834
00:41:58,472 --> 00:42:01,954
and this old survival brain
came back in.
835
00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:03,825
It's a completely
different person,
836
00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:05,523
the person that takes over.
837
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:07,829
You know, very scared
of saying the wrong thing,
838
00:42:07,916 --> 00:42:09,352
doing the wrong thing,
839
00:42:09,439 --> 00:42:11,703
and you do
disassociate yourself
840
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:15,315
from who you know you are,
841
00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:17,317
but who you have to be.
842
00:42:21,408 --> 00:42:23,105
Afterwards,
Ghislaine left the room
843
00:42:23,192 --> 00:42:25,673
and Jeffrey was telling me
I did a good job,
844
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,676
and I'm gonna go really far,
and he's gonna get me educated,
845
00:42:28,763 --> 00:42:30,852
and he was, like,
really, really happy.
846
00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:32,375
I mean,
the cat that got the milk.
847
00:42:34,247 --> 00:42:38,947
I got paid $200,
and the butler drove me home.
848
00:42:39,034 --> 00:42:41,123
They acted very normal
about the situation.
849
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:43,038
They tried to validate
what had happened.
850
00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:44,953
From the outside perspective,
851
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,476
you understand
the grooming involved
852
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:48,043
and what transpired
in that room...
853
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,784
paying her heftily
854
00:42:49,871 --> 00:42:51,612
for the work
that had been done,
855
00:42:51,699 --> 00:42:53,266
making it seem like
it was appropriate,
856
00:42:53,353 --> 00:42:54,963
what had transpired,
857
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:57,966
and then inviting
her back again.
858
00:42:58,053 --> 00:42:59,968
The shame was immediate.
859
00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:01,927
I remember sitting
at the bottom of my shower
860
00:43:02,014 --> 00:43:04,756
and crying my eyes out.
861
00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:06,975
I'd been on the streets
and I thought, you know,
862
00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:10,588
"Well, maybe this is
the lesser of two evils."
863
00:43:10,675 --> 00:43:13,025
I had the promise
of an education,
864
00:43:13,112 --> 00:43:15,897
and maybe this is just
how the world works.
865
00:43:15,984 --> 00:43:18,073
If abuse is so prevalent
in my life,
866
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,553
maybe that's just what it is.
867
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,208
That's just life.
868
00:43:22,295 --> 00:43:26,038
For individuals who've been
sexually abused as a child,
869
00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:29,650
this confirms that
they don't have any meaning
870
00:43:29,737 --> 00:43:32,000
beyond giving pleasure
to somebody else.
871
00:43:32,087 --> 00:43:34,916
Of course,
you'd expect them to go back,
872
00:43:35,003 --> 00:43:38,790
especially if there is even
a glimmer of hope that
873
00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:41,357
maybe something good
will come out of this,
874
00:43:41,444 --> 00:43:43,795
because it's a really
devastating feeling
875
00:43:43,882 --> 00:43:46,711
to be nothing.
876
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:48,756
Within the next few weeks,
877
00:43:48,843 --> 00:43:51,933
Jeffrey and Ghislaine told me
that I need to quit my job
878
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:54,327
with Mar-a-Lago because
I'll be traveling with them
879
00:43:54,414 --> 00:43:56,285
as their traveling masseuse.
880
00:43:56,372 --> 00:43:57,983
You know,
you ask yourself, like,
881
00:43:58,070 --> 00:44:00,638
if I could talk to that
16-year-old girl again,
882
00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,988
what would you tell her?
883
00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:05,555
Bloody hell, I'd tell her,
"Run for your life,"
884
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,862
but at 16, you just...
I don't know, yeah, I was...
885
00:44:07,949 --> 00:44:09,516
I was very intimidated
by these people.
886
00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:13,738
What I call it
is invisible chains.
887
00:44:13,825 --> 00:44:15,783
I mean, no,
these girls were not tied up,
888
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:17,611
and people will say,
"Well, they kept coming back.
889
00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:19,091
Why did they keep
coming back?"
890
00:44:19,178 --> 00:44:21,833
These were not people
to be crossed.
891
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,009
These were very
significant people
892
00:44:24,096 --> 00:44:25,924
with the ability,
the power, the wealth
893
00:44:26,011 --> 00:44:28,317
to destroy a life
if they wanted to.
894
00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:51,297
The first official complaint
was in 2005.
895
00:44:56,563 --> 00:44:58,565
Once the police started
uncovering the number
896
00:44:58,652 --> 00:45:01,002
of young girls that were
involved in this network,
897
00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:03,396
the investigation snowballed.
898
00:45:03,483 --> 00:45:05,311
They put him
under surveillance,
899
00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:08,357
watching his house,
seeing girls going in and out.
900
00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,446
They execute
a search warrant on the home,
901
00:45:10,533 --> 00:45:12,057
even did a trash pull
to investigate
902
00:45:12,144 --> 00:45:14,102
what was being thrown out.
903
00:45:14,189 --> 00:45:16,539
The shocking thing
was the amount of evidence...
904
00:45:16,626 --> 00:45:20,674
things like Amazon receipts
for books about sex slavery,
905
00:45:20,761 --> 00:45:22,676
flight logs,
906
00:45:22,763 --> 00:45:24,722
message pads that had
message after message.
907
00:45:24,809 --> 00:45:26,419
A little girl calling in.
908
00:45:26,506 --> 00:45:28,769
"I can bring this friend
tonight for a massage."
909
00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:31,119
"I can't go because my grandpa
has a birthday."
910
00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:32,730
Things that shock
the conscience.
911
00:45:32,817 --> 00:45:35,123
What you had
in this investigation
912
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:38,300
was a rock solid
prosecutable case
913
00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:41,608
against
a serial sexual predator.
914
00:45:47,614 --> 00:45:49,311
I come home,
it's super late at night,
915
00:45:49,398 --> 00:45:51,749
and I turn on the TV,
and I hear,
916
00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:54,621
"Local Palm Beach billionaire
arrested."
917
00:45:54,708 --> 00:45:57,232
I don't, you know,
think anything of it.
918
00:45:57,319 --> 00:46:00,409
Well, then, that's Jeffrey
Epstein's face on the TV.
919
00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:02,890
So I instantly just call
Jeffrey Epstein's assistant,
920
00:46:02,977 --> 00:46:04,413
and she tells me,
921
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:05,763
"Everything's okay.
Don't worry.
922
00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:07,286
"Jeffrey only spent, like,
923
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,636
"a couple hours in jail
and he's out.
924
00:46:09,723 --> 00:46:12,247
"We have you an attorney,
and basically,
925
00:46:12,334 --> 00:46:14,989
if you don't say anything,
you'll be taken care of."
926
00:46:15,076 --> 00:46:16,730
There are numerous victims,
927
00:46:16,817 --> 00:46:18,863
they've got
compelling evidence,
928
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:21,387
but Epstein lawyers up.
929
00:46:21,474 --> 00:46:23,041
He gets a dream team
of lawyers.
930
00:46:23,128 --> 00:46:24,912
His first call was
to Alan Dershowitz,
931
00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:26,914
tenacious attorney
who fights cases
932
00:46:27,001 --> 00:46:28,568
in the media all the time.
933
00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:30,613
The job of
a criminal defense lawyer
934
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:33,007
is always to get
the best result
935
00:46:33,094 --> 00:46:36,402
you can get ethically
and legally.
936
00:46:36,489 --> 00:46:38,404
And what they do
according to lawsuits
937
00:46:38,491 --> 00:46:40,710
filed by the victims
and court papers
938
00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,625
is essentially begin
a campaign of harassment
939
00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:44,889
and intimidation
of the victims.
940
00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:46,586
I mean, you don't
put this attorney
941
00:46:46,673 --> 00:46:48,675
at a local sports bar.
942
00:46:48,762 --> 00:46:52,070
The things he's saying are,
like, belittling towards me,
943
00:46:52,157 --> 00:46:55,290
making it sound like
I'm this prostitute.
944
00:46:55,377 --> 00:46:57,771
I'm just 18 years old
at this point.
945
00:46:57,858 --> 00:46:58,903
I remember telling him, "Oh,
I have to use the bathroom,"
946
00:46:58,990 --> 00:47:00,643
and I just left.
947
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:02,776
They certainly had
private investigators
948
00:47:02,863 --> 00:47:05,344
following the young girls
and pulling information.
949
00:47:05,431 --> 00:47:06,736
There's a letter
from Alan Dershowitz
950
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,260
to the prosecutors about
951
00:47:08,347 --> 00:47:10,044
the little girls'
Myspace pages,
952
00:47:10,131 --> 00:47:11,611
saying he should pay attention
953
00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:13,352
'cause this person's
on drugs and alcohol.
954
00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:15,484
It was really a takedown
of the victims.
955
00:47:15,571 --> 00:47:17,965
How do we make them
seem not credible?
956
00:47:18,052 --> 00:47:20,141
It's completely appropriate
957
00:47:20,228 --> 00:47:22,187
to investigate
complaining witnesses.
958
00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:24,232
The complaining witnesses
are fair game.
959
00:47:26,017 --> 00:47:28,062
When I found out
that they were calling
960
00:47:28,149 --> 00:47:29,977
the young girls prostitutes,
961
00:47:30,064 --> 00:47:32,240
I was worried that other
people were gonna think that.
962
00:47:32,327 --> 00:47:33,981
Were they gonna
consider me a victim,
963
00:47:34,068 --> 00:47:35,940
or were they gonna
consider me a prostitute?
964
00:47:36,027 --> 00:47:38,290
Well, it's kind of
a hard thing to swallow.
965
00:47:38,377 --> 00:47:39,639
What went wrong
with this case
966
00:47:39,726 --> 00:47:41,336
is that Barry Krischer,
967
00:47:41,423 --> 00:47:43,599
the state attorney
for Palm Beach County,
968
00:47:43,686 --> 00:47:45,601
essentially just didn't
believe the victims.
969
00:47:45,688 --> 00:47:47,821
Barry Krischer seems
to have said to himself,
970
00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:51,216
"I believe the rich guy who
lives in Palm Beach instead."
971
00:47:51,303 --> 00:47:53,827
The Palm Beach police chief
protested vigorously
972
00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:55,307
when
the State Attorney's office...
973
00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:56,786
citing racy,
suggestive web sites
974
00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:58,266
created by some of the girls...
975
00:47:58,353 --> 00:48:00,399
charged Epstein
with a misdemeanor,
976
00:48:00,486 --> 00:48:02,444
a solicitation
of prostitution.
977
00:48:02,531 --> 00:48:03,881
The case, however,
did not go away.
978
00:48:03,968 --> 00:48:05,752
It was referred to the FBI.
979
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,188
So it, then, at that point,
980
00:48:07,275 --> 00:48:09,408
becomes a federal investigation.
981
00:48:09,495 --> 00:48:12,106
I was so confused
on what was happening.
982
00:48:12,193 --> 00:48:14,152
The feds are coming
to my house.
983
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,981
They're knocking on my door.
They're showing up at my job.
984
00:48:17,068 --> 00:48:18,721
They're, like,
being super aggressive.
985
00:48:18,808 --> 00:48:20,245
I don't really know
what to think
986
00:48:20,332 --> 00:48:21,986
'cause by this time, I'm 18.
987
00:48:22,073 --> 00:48:23,683
I'm like, "Am I gonna
go to prison for this?"
988
00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,337
I was just trying
to duck and dodge them.
989
00:48:25,424 --> 00:48:26,599
I don't even wanna
talk to them.
990
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:31,038
So they end up dropping, like,
991
00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:33,519
papers off
on my front doorstep,
992
00:48:33,606 --> 00:48:36,652
and it turns out
it's all the victims' reports
993
00:48:36,739 --> 00:48:39,525
of the first time they went
to Jeffrey's house,
994
00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:42,571
and what happened
and how they felt.
995
00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:45,444
It immediately brings me back
to the first time
996
00:48:45,531 --> 00:48:47,185
I went to Jeffrey's,
and it was like...
997
00:48:47,272 --> 00:48:49,274
A flashback.
998
00:48:49,361 --> 00:48:51,929
If I could describe how I felt
and everything that happened
999
00:48:52,016 --> 00:48:53,582
the first time I went,
1000
00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:55,367
it was this paper
that I didn't write,
1001
00:48:55,454 --> 00:48:57,456
somebody else did.
1002
00:48:57,543 --> 00:48:58,848
And then I start
looking through the box
1003
00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:00,546
and I see all these names
of, like,
1004
00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:04,115
girls that I personally
brought to him,
1005
00:49:04,202 --> 00:49:06,291
and it was just devastating.
1006
00:49:06,378 --> 00:49:07,901
For two days, I think I just
stayed in my house
1007
00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,512
and cried about it.
1008
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,603
For anybody that I recruited,
like, I'm so sorry.
1009
00:49:16,779 --> 00:49:20,044
The guilt and shame
in how I feel about
1010
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:22,872
basically I lied to them
and lured them in
1011
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,223
to go see this guy...
1012
00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:27,138
I don't know if it's something
that I'll ever,
1013
00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:29,053
really fully get over.
1014
00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:37,409
And at this point
in summer 2007,
1015
00:49:37,496 --> 00:49:40,281
Epstein's lawyers realize
this is bad news
1016
00:49:40,368 --> 00:49:42,675
because once you start
getting the FBI involved,
1017
00:49:42,762 --> 00:49:43,981
the potential penalties
for that client
1018
00:49:44,068 --> 00:49:45,591
are much more serious.
1019
00:49:45,678 --> 00:49:48,420
They start negotiating
a plea deal in secret.
1020
00:49:50,335 --> 00:49:52,902
So I comply with the feds,
1021
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,730
but when I called
and I asked,
1022
00:49:54,817 --> 00:49:56,341
"What's happening
with this case?"
1023
00:49:56,428 --> 00:49:57,864
Nobody can give me an answer.
1024
00:49:57,951 --> 00:49:59,257
They're transferring me,
transferring me,
1025
00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:00,823
hanging up on me.
1026
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:02,912
Nobody ever calls me back.
1027
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,959
Shortly after,
I find Brad Edwards.
1028
00:50:06,046 --> 00:50:09,093
Courtney walked in
and she was very direct
1029
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:10,877
and said, you know,
"I'm Courtney Wild.
1030
00:50:10,964 --> 00:50:13,053
"I've been cooperating
1031
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:15,229
"in a major federal
investigation
1032
00:50:15,316 --> 00:50:18,276
"against Jeffrey Epstein,
but I'm calling now
1033
00:50:18,363 --> 00:50:19,668
"and nobody's answering
my questions.
1034
00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:21,801
So can you help?"
1035
00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:24,238
So I really thought I'm gonna
call the US Attorney's office,
1036
00:50:24,325 --> 00:50:26,849
they're gonna tell me, "Look,
it's a massive investigation.
1037
00:50:26,936 --> 00:50:28,938
He's probably going
to plead to a life sentence,"
1038
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:31,593
and instead,
the lead prosecutor
1039
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,422
gave me the impression
something weird was happening.
1040
00:50:36,424 --> 00:50:39,297
There was a very significant
cover-up going on,
1041
00:50:39,384 --> 00:50:41,168
unbeknownst to the victims.
1042
00:50:41,255 --> 00:50:43,692
And that would turn out
to be one of the most
1043
00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:45,346
outrageous aspects of the case.
1044
00:50:45,433 --> 00:50:47,653
It made absolutely no sense.
1045
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:49,655
When things like that
don't make sense,
1046
00:50:49,742 --> 00:50:51,918
the first thing you look at
is money,
1047
00:50:52,005 --> 00:50:54,312
power, and influence.
1048
00:50:54,399 --> 00:50:57,924
The reality was
this was a well-oiled
1049
00:50:58,011 --> 00:51:00,013
sex trafficking operation,
1050
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:03,538
which had been going on
across much of America,
1051
00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:05,018
across different countries
for years,
1052
00:51:05,105 --> 00:51:07,760
and he'd basically
gotten away with it.
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