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Excuse me, Mr. Littleton.
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Yeah. I'm Larry Adler from the Attorney
General's office.
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How you doing? I apologize for the
intrusion, but I'm handling the David
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Robinson prosecution.
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You familiar with the case?
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You can't turn on the news without
seeing that videotape. Exactly.
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Well, yesterday the defense attorney won
his venue motion.
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The case has been transferred to Rome.
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Here? Your Judge Bone accepted it. We
begin voir dire tomorrow.
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I'd like you to handle it.
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I beg your pardon?
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With me.
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The facts are simple. I can have you up
to speed in an hour.
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Wait. You want me to try this case?
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Why? The jurors here will see in you a
face they trust.
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You're an exceptional DA and you're...
The defendant's attorney is Brian
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I'm sure he's going to characterize this
prosecution as an exercise in white
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supremacy.
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And you have the necessary...
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Pigmentation to neutralize that attack.
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I don't appreciate being selected
because of skin color, Mr. Adler.
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You seen the videotape?
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Yes. Is it your opinion Mr. Robinson
committed murder?
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Yes. Then what else do you need as a
prosecutor to go forward?
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I'm trying to put a killer behind bars.
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If you're being black, help serve that
purpose.
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I'm not ashamed to avail myself of that
advantage.
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Will you do it or not?
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I got summoned to jury duty.
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Well, half the town's been summoned,
Jenny.
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It's a big murder trial.
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I don't have time to sit on a jury.
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Well, your last name begins with W. By
the time they get to you, the jury will
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probably be filled. I got summoned too.
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Pike. They'll probably get to P.
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I'd love to be on that jury.
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Why? Bryant Thomas is the defense
attorney.
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The Bryant Thomas.
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We should be co -counselors. Why is
that?
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You're asking me why?
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The jurors of Rome all know me, plus
which you're very black.
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Oh, I see. The defendant is African
-American. I would hate for the jurors
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think that you took this case out of
race alone.
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Me, they know that I would only
represent the client I believed in.
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Do you believe David Robinson is
innocent? With all my heart, as soon as
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retainer. If you did your homework, you
would know me and want me, because I
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always win.
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I have done the homework, Mr. Wambaugh.
I know exactly who you are, and you're
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hired. I am?
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There's been a lot of publicity in this
case.
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Do you believe you could render an
impartial judgment?
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I believe I could.
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This juror is acceptable, Your Honor. Do
you believe that these news accounts
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are true?
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I don't know.
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Mrs. Bales, these are policemen who were
killed. Do you believe it's possible
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that anybody could be justified in
killing a policeman?
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Well, it would depend on what the
officer was doing.
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Defense accepts this juror. Mrs. Bales,
report to the jury room.
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Oh, and tell Walter he'll be cooking his
own meals for a while.
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Next.
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James Brock.
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Prosecution accepts Sheriff Brock, Your
Honor.
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Has he been removed for cause?
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Objection. He may be the police, but
he's an objective and a fair man.
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I agree.
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Sheriff Brock is capable of
impartiality. If you want to remove him,
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to use one of your peremptory
challenges.
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He is fair.
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And he goes for underdogs. He's got to
be pro -police. Just the opposite.
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He's so objective you can vomit. Take
him.
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We accept this man.
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Your Honor, I'm the sheriff.
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You're also on the jury.
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Next.
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Are you sure about him?
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A murder's a murder. He put away his own
best friend.
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Jill Brock.
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Remove for cause, Your Honor. She's
married to the last juror. If you want
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exercise a challenge, do it. But she's
fair.
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There's no cause.
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What about her?
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The worst.
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She's married to a cop, plus which her
own son just got shot.
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Get rid of her.
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Re -challenge.
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Dr. Brock, your excuse.
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Have you ever served on a jury before?
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Do you keep a gun in the house?
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What kind of bumper stickers do you have
in your car?
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Did you ever participate in any protests
or demonstrations?
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If he didn't do it, they wouldn't have
arrested him. I only slept with one
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policeman. Rodney King was on PCP.
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A total breakdown of the community's
morals.
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Are you related to any police officers?
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If he'd murder, he'd lie.
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Three strikes, you're in.
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I could be fair.
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I could be fair. I could be fair.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'd now like to
show you a videotape.
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Now, I'm sure most of you have seen this
on news broadcasts before, but I'm
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asking you to forget what you've heard
and what you've seen and just pay
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attention to what we present here. Your
Honor, defense renews its objection to
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this videotape.
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Overruled. Members of the jury, this
tape was recorded by the defendant's own
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home security system.
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The court recognizes its authenticity.
Play it. You'll notice at the end we've
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enhanced the picture electronically for
identification.
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David, we all saw that tape.
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What we need to hear from you now is,
what the hell were you thinking?
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I sell drugs to a lot of bad people.
Guys who shoot me dead faster than that.
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Thought it was one of them.
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What, David?
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Why would a client want to shoot you?
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I cheated them.
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Sold some sugar sometimes.
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Oh, so you thought maybe it was somebody
you cheated.
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Come looking for payback.
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Dead.
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Next thing I know, I just see guns
flying all up in the air.
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Didn't you recognize these people as
police officers?
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Yes.
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You still shot at them?
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They was pointing their guns at me.
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If I didn't shoot them, I'd be dead.
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Had the police shot at you before? Or
anybody close to you?
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This ain't about that.
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Had the police shot at you?
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Or anybody you love?
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Please answer the question.
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My mother.
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Excuse me?
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They killed my mother.
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And why?
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My mother and my father was fighting.
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And they came.
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She waved a knife at them.
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And they shot her.
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Your Honor.
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I introduce this autopsy report on Mrs.
Robinson.
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Objection irrelevant.
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Policeman killed this boy's mother.
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It is your position that that fact is
irrelevant?
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Meaningless?
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The people withdraw the objection.
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Let the record reflect that Mrs.
Robinson was struck by seven bullets,
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them in the back. Let the record also
reflect Milwaukee Internal Affairs
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the killing as justified. No officer was
disciplined.
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David, were you there when the police
killed your mother?
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Yes. And how old were you at this time?
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I was nine.
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Nine years old?
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I don't think he had to keep shooting.
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That's all, Jimmy. No matter how good he
was.
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What the judge said. It might be
expedient to just organize the facts
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editorializing. No, there's no
discussion until all the evidence is in.
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at the Menendez trial, some of the
jurors went kind of crazy.
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Ask me, they were all crazy.
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How could they not have fried those two
kids? I don't think we could talk about
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that trial either. What, we could sit
here and talk about nothing?
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Maybe we could choose a format.
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Yeah, we can do that, can't we?
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I think it should be you, Jimmy.
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I don't think that's a good idea.
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Why not?
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You understand the law better than any
of us.
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You be foreman. It's got to be you,
Jimmy.
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I'll vote for it.
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I agree.
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Me too. Great.
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Why did you have video equipment set up
in your apartment?
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I have a safe room in the back where I
usually work the video so I could see if
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people were coming.
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So you had an expectation that people
could come crashing through your door?
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I knew it could happen. I wasn't, like,
expecting it. Well, in fact, the police
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had entered your apartment before to
conduct a search, hadn't they?
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What? So when you picked up your
automatic weapon, you at least had to
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the possibility that the people coming
in were law enforcement officers.
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All I knew was that someone could be
coming in to get me.
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But then you recognized them as police
officers.
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And you still just started shooting.
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They was about to shoot me.
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Their guns was up.
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What if you hadn't picked up your gun?
What if you'd just thrown your hands up
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in the air when you first heard that
noise? Why didn't you do that?
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Look, I told you.
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I thought it could have been someone
coming to get me.
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I didn't realize it was the police until
they came in.
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And they came in taking aim.
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So after you shot the officers and they
went down, you continued to shoot for
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four or five seconds.
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According to the coroner's report, you
put approximately 20 bullets into each
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them after they hit the floor.
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And I didn't have my senses down. I was
just like pulling the trigger and I
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didn't have my senses.
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Well, when you walked over and kicked
them to make sure they were dead, did
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have your senses then? Excuse me.
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By senses, do you mean the sensibilities
one grows up with in privileged white
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suburbia? Mr. Thomas, don't be pulling
your stunts here.
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I'm sorry, Your Honor.
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I didn't think that drawing an accurate
picture of this boy's reality would be
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classified as a stunt.
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Step up here a second.
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If you try doing to me what you do to
other judges...
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You'll experience regret.
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Stick to the case. We'll get along fine.
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Resort to manipulative crap.
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I'll embarrass you badly.
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Do we have an understanding?
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Yes, Your Honor. Good.
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Get back.
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One more question, Mr. Robinson.
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Have you met the families of the
officers you killed?
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No.
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Here they are, right here. Objection!
Excuse me, counsel.
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Do you mean to tell me that these
families are irrelevant?
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Meaningless?
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Let the record reflect that I'm
impressed with Mr. Littleton's token
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performance. Objection! Let the record
reflect that my black pride is wounded,
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and as soon as we're finished here, I'm
going to run right out and rent Ruth.
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Hey, the record will reflect that I
won't put up with any more nonsense from
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either of you.
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Try the case.
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The fear of the police was certainly
well -founded. It couldn't be classified
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paranoia. He knew the nature and
consequences of his actions.
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This was not insanity.
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He thought he was going to die.
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The defendant could very well have been
in shock.
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Justifiable self -defense. The young man
was in reasonable fear for his life.
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Murder, first degree. It was a
deliberate act to kill with clear
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Absolutely. Absolutely not.
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Thank you, doctor.
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Thank you, doctor. Thank you, doctor.
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And may I say... Nothing further.
Nothing further.
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Nothing further.
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I won't ask you to try to understand how
a boy can grow up to sell cocaine for a
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living. I won't ask you to try to
understand why he had a loaded Uzi under
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sofa. And I certainly, most certainly,
will not try to ask you to understand
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how you could take that weapon and shoot
two policemen.
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All I will ask is that you admit that
you cannot understand.
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If you didn't grow up in an inner -city
ghetto, being beaten by your father,
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shot at by your neighbors, watching your
own mother murdered by people whose
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motto it is to serve and protect and
admit, damn it, that she can't
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And don't go in that jury room saying,
well, gee, if it was me, I wouldn't do
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this, I wouldn't do that. Well, it
wasn't you.
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He didn't grow up with your
socioeconomic background and with
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in a nice little town like this.
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It was his father.
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His father.
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was the addict that turned him on to
drugs and then systematically abused and
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molested him.
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Just... I had the decency to acknowledge
that you just
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don't have any idea of what it's like to
be him.
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You heard the doctors tell you that
because of his father's treatment,
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he saw his mother killed by the police,
he has no psychological basis whatsoever
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to even understand the concept of
safety.
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The two institutions of protection that
we all grew up with, the family, the
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police, to David Robinson are deadly
forces.
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I could bring in a hundred more experts,
and you still wouldn't have any
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idea ever of what it's like to be him.
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Grieve for the slain officers, of
course.
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They were fine men.
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But if you're not grieving for David
Robinson, at the same time, right here,
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then accept that as absolute truth that
you just can't understand.
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Well, okay.
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I guess maybe we could go around the
room, hear what everyone has to say.
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Jimmy, let's take a quick vote first.
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I mean, I don't think it's going to take
too long.
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Is there anybody in this room that
doesn't think this guy's guilty?
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Even still, we should talk before we
vote. What's to say?
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The only reason he stopped shooting is
because he ran out of bullets.
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He was scared.
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Even the psychologist.
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supported that. Oh, I believe the
psychiatric testimony was a wash.
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Half supported the self -defense claim,
the other half summarily dismissed.
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His father did abuse him. That was never
refuted by the prosecution.
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So? So physical and sexual abuse can be
very damaging emotionally.
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Look, I don't know about the rest of
you, but I'm getting a little sick of
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people killing people, committing
murder, and then crying I was an abused
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Exactly. Me too.
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I don't care how much abuse a person
takes, it can never excuse taking a
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life. She's absolutely right.
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Well, I think we should take a quick
vote and see where we are.
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All those for guilty.
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Okay, not guilty.
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Oh, give me a break.
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Cindy, you didn't vote.
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I feel nauseous. Conflict makes me
queasy. Hey, lady, didn't you see that
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I saw it.
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Okay, we got ten.
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The guilty, one not guilty, one
undecided.
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This is great. This is great. Now, look,
we do have to have this unanimous.
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Twelve to nothing.
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Mrs. Bales, maybe we should hear from
you.
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I have a reasonable doubt.
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Maybe he was scared for his life.
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I have a very reasonable doubt.
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Ma 'am.
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Ten of us just voted guilty. Doesn't
that tell you something?
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Yes, that Mr. Thomas was right.
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You don't understand.
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Oh, brother, all it takes is one.
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Too bad, then.
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You've got one.
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Look, Mrs. Bell, it's almost 11 o
'clock. For the last seven hours, you
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keep saying, reasonable doubt,
reasonable doubt.
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I think he was scared.
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He's watching television.
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Suddenly people come busting in his
door.
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Who wouldn't be afraid?
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But, ma 'am, he fired after he
recognized them as police. He testified
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Even so, he thought the police would
kill him. Oh, come on.
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Well, the psychiatrist said that his
fear of the police was legitimate.
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The psychiatrists you're referring to
were paid by the defense to give that
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testimony. Who said that? I never heard
that. Well, figure it out.
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Or is it against the rules to use a
little common sense?
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Oh, come on. You don't have to be
denied. The guy killed him. We saw it.
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For you to say not guilty, you've got to
be out of your mind.
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She's not out of her mind.
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I'm starting to agree with her.
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Excuse me?
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I definitely think he was wrong, but
it's possible that he was scared for his
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life. I mean, the police killed his
mother. How could he not be scared when
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think about it? See, this is a problem.
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These two women, they're what's wrong
with the whole system. The reason that
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those Menendez wackos weren't convicted
is because we had too many housewife
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jurors who spend their whole day
watching Oprah and Sarah Jessie Raoul
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buying into that psychobabble cockamamie
crap.
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That is not an appropriate thing to say.
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Well, I'm sorry, and I'm sure you're
going to need therapy now that I've said
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it. But the fact is, people everywhere
are into this victimization thing.
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Look, everybody's a victim. Everybody's
got psychological scars that made them
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do what they did. Shouldn't we let
somebody else talk now? I'm not
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My father used to beat the hell out of
me. Lots of people have traumatic stuff
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in their past.
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You know what the scientific term for
that is?
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Life. Life is tough.
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Look, I'm sorry this kid got molested.
I'm sorry his mother got killed. But
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doesn't give him the right to pick up an
Uzi and pump a hundred bullets into two
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innocent cops.
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Even so, according to the judge's
instructions, if he was afraid for his
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it was self -defense. If the fear is
reasonable, these were policemen.
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So?
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So, of course, police are going to have
guns. It's their job.
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It's not reasonable to think because
they have a gun, they're going to shoot.
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Forgive me, but it's my understanding
that policemen occasionally do shoot
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innocent people.
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As for the defendant's understanding,
how could he not be fearful?
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As Mrs.
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Cranepool correctly points out, his own
mother was murdered in his home by
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police.
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Um, so what are you saying? That because
they were police, he had more reason to
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be afraid?
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I'm saying because they were police, he
had no less reason to be afraid.
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Mr. Kramer, to me, your logic is
preposterous.
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I'm sure it would be to you.
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You're a sheriff.
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But I'll tell you this. I'm a law
-abiding citizen who's never had a run
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with law enforcement.
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But as soon as I see a cruiser in my
rearview mirror, the first sensation I
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is one of fear.
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I can imagine what goes through David
Robinson.
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And so that entitles him to blast anyone
in any uniform just because he got...
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It entitles him to be profoundly afraid
of any uniform bashing down his front
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door.
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What line of work are you in?
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I'm a schoolteacher.
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Uh -huh.
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What does that mean, uh -huh?
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You talk like a schoolteacher.
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What do you do?
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I deliver mail for the United States
Postal Service.
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I see. Well, Mr. Lawson, I certainly
hope that you get a more sympathetic
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after you open fire one day in a fast
food restaurant.
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Never mind. It's funny.
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00:24:01,290 --> 00:24:04,610
That's enough. You got something to say
to me? Come on. Say it. No, this is not
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the least bit constructive.
378
00:24:06,430 --> 00:24:09,150
Now, what I would like to do is to
isolate.
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The two dividing points.
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00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:12,610
Well, you're not the foreman.
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00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:16,690
Well, I realize that, Mrs. Cranepool,
but management is a strength.
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00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:21,370
Yes, but we all know that you're a big
CEO of a big paper company, but in this
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room, we're all the same.
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You're no more important than any of us.
Uh -huh.
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You, uh, you wouldn't be using this room
as an equalizer, would you, Mrs.
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Cranepool? I'm sorry. Perhaps this is
your opportunity as a housewife to be as
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significant as a CEO, or maybe your 15
minutes of influence is more relevant to
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you than the facts of this case.
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00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:45,370
Now, you're getting off the track.
390
00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:46,570
Actually, I'm not.
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00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:49,850
There's a hugely selfish tone to this
whole deliberation.
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Opinions being dominated by a mailman, a
schoolteacher, and two housewives.
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00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:59,310
What does that mean? It means, Mr.
Kramer, that for all your good
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think that... There's an unconscious
infatuation with power that's being
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demonstrated by some people who don't
normally enjoy it.
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00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:10,050
Not that pomposity could interfere with
your judgment.
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00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:13,950
I want to see the gun.
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00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:17,350
What? We're allowed to review the
evidence, right?
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00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:20,490
I want to see the gun.
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00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:25,890
It really is a machine of death.
401
00:25:26,290 --> 00:25:27,290
Of course it is.
402
00:25:27,690 --> 00:25:28,690
Let's let Mr.
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Kramer feel it.
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00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,699
Come on.
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00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:32,020
Come on. Come on, take it.
406
00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:37,200
Feels different than a geography map,
doesn't it? That's what that kid used to
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00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,520
extinguish two human beings.
408
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,420
So, what, we're supposed to equate the
ferocity of the weapon with the
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monstrosity of the boy?
410
00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:47,520
Isn't this game a little advanced for a
mailman?
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00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,340
You know something, Mr. Kramer?
412
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I'm getting a little annoyed at your
attitude.
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00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,800
You want to sympathize with a defendant,
fine.
414
00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:58,480
But what about those kids we killed?
They were in their 20s, those policemen.
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With families.
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00:26:01,620 --> 00:26:03,740
Funny your compassion doesn't extend to
them.
417
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,720
I sympathize with them and their family,
Sheriff.
418
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,740
But I'm not vested with their lives
right now, only David Robinson's.
419
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:14,140
I have to recognize that he may have had
a legitimate fear for his life when he
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pulled the trigger.
421
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,740
Why can't we consider murder two? Or
manslaughter?
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The charge was murder one.
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There are no other options to consider.
424
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,240
But that is just not fair.
425
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,680
I mean, it seems like to me...
426
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It was heat of passion the way it went
down.
427
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:33,680
Why do you say that?
428
00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:39,400
Well, it wasn't premeditated.
429
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:43,420
I mean, this guy's just watching
television and then, bam, his door goes
430
00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:46,700
That seems like heat of passion to me,
doesn't it?
431
00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:51,640
Heat of passion suggests anger or rage.
Is that what you think he was feeling,
432
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,320
rage? No, not rage. Then what?
433
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:01,930
Fear? Yeah.
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Fear.
435
00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:11,250
I'm changing my vote.
436
00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:14,950
Hold it just a second.
437
00:27:16,270 --> 00:27:18,410
Consider what you're suggesting here.
438
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:20,290
The police did nothing wrong.
439
00:27:21,239 --> 00:27:24,520
Pursuant to a valid warrant, they
entered the premises of a convicted drug
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dealer, whereupon they were promptly
shot dead by that drug dealer. Now, do
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really, really mean to say this kid was
justified?
442
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:35,560
Well, I'm... He didn't know they were
police.
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00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,920
I mean, maybe they don't have the right
to come in and bash down his door on an
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out. Yes, they did have the right. They
had a no -knock warrant. They had every
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right to do that. Their actions were
valid.
446
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:47,600
The defendant didn't know anything about
warrants.
447
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,200
All he knew was that somebody was
crashing through his door. You're
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00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,660
him for being a drug dealer.
449
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:57,000
Don't talk to me like that. Don't you
see what you're doing? Because he sold
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drugs and cheated people, he put himself
in a high -risk position. And because
451
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he was in a high -risk position, you are
licensing him to become afraid and
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therefore shoot policemen. It's
ludicrous. I go back to the judge's
453
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If he was afraid, it's self -defense.
454
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Period. No, reasonably afraid is what he
said. He was reasonably afraid. He was
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shot at all.
456
00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:18,900
Everybody quiet.
457
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,720
We're deadlocked.
458
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How deadlocked?
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Sick and sick.
460
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,140
It seems rather hopeless.
461
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:38,360
But you've only been deliberating for
two days.
462
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Nobody will budge, Your Honor.
463
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:59,510
The fact that you're coming back in here
waving a white flag so fast is an
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indication to me that you don't take
your responsibility seriously enough.
465
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:06,810
Well, understand this.
466
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:10,890
I'm not declaring this a mistrial.
467
00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:17,510
You will spend ten hours a day for two
weeks straight before I'll even
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00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:19,590
the notion of a hung jury.
469
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:23,470
And if I get the slightest sign that
anybody...
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is not concentrating back in that room,
I'll hold you in contempt.
471
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,340
You're also sequestered. As of right
now.
472
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Forget about seeing your families.
473
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,020
You think this is a joke?
474
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:39,900
We had the trial.
475
00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:41,820
We gave you the evidence.
476
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,400
Everybody did his job.
477
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,720
You get back in that room and do yours.
478
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:54,870
Get up.
479
00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:10,890
Jimmy, you have to keep running that
back and forth like that.
480
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:13,330
Yeah, I do. Look.
481
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:16,190
Right there. See?
482
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:19,710
He picks up the Uzi before the door
comes down.
483
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:24,290
Before he knows it's the police. It was
covered back. He didn't know at first
484
00:30:24,290 --> 00:30:26,730
who it was. But he knew it was the
police before he shot.
485
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:29,550
Can't you admit that, or are you just
too damn stubborn?
486
00:30:29,890 --> 00:30:33,930
You know, you're not a helpful person.
Every time you speak, you're putting
487
00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:34,930
somebody down.
488
00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:36,630
Now, keep that in mind.
489
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:38,150
Go puke in the corner.
490
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:44,310
I am really getting fed up with you. Oh,
you're fed up? I'm fed up. I'm sick of
491
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:49,010
all of you. How can you sit there and
watch this tape and forgive what this
492
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:51,990
did? You don't know him. Who does know
him, huh?
493
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:54,090
Did he put up any character witnesses?
494
00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:57,250
Did we hear from anyone who knew the son
of a bitch? No.
495
00:30:57,770 --> 00:31:04,350
We didn't get to listen to one person
who even met him, besides paid experts.
496
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:08,530
Nobody stood up for the psychotic except
for the fools in this room.
497
00:31:08,730 --> 00:31:12,310
Mr. Wambaugh knew him, and he chooses to
represent him. Wambaugh's a shyster.
498
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:13,910
He'd represent anybody.
499
00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:16,150
We all know how they are. Who?
500
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:20,050
How who are?
501
00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:23,030
Lawyers.
502
00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:29,870
You feel the same way about blacks that
you do about Jews? No, no, no. This is
503
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:30,870
not a black thing.
504
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:32,910
This is not about prejudice.
505
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:39,170
No. These two cops were killed by that
kid. I'm doing my job as a juror,
506
00:31:39,410 --> 00:31:41,350
None of us are doing our job here.
507
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:44,230
Well, look at us.
508
00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:47,670
We're supposed to be impartial.
509
00:31:48,260 --> 00:31:49,560
We've become advocates.
510
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,140
You, you're trying to beat him.
511
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:58,480
And you, you're trying to stick it to
him.
512
00:32:01,580 --> 00:32:07,420
It's more about winning and losing for
us in this room than it is for the
513
00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:08,420
attorneys.
514
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:11,240
This is a stupid, stupid process.
515
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:16,020
What's going on in this room has nothing
to do with the pursuit of truth.
516
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,040
The truth is on the tape.
517
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:21,280
It's on the tape. The truth is in that
boy's head.
518
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:27,360
Look, I know he's probably evil, but I
still say he had to be afraid.
519
00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:29,440
Mrs. Bales.
520
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,220
I've been a law officer for a long, long
time.
521
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:44,120
People who are afraid cower. They flee.
They flinch. This man reacted with
522
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,120
extreme aggression.
523
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Exactly. Good point.
524
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,920
May I ask you a question, sir? Don't
policemen get afraid?
525
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:51,660
Of course they do.
526
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,380
If you encounter somebody who suddenly
pulls a gun on you, don't you open fire?
527
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:56,940
That's different.
528
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,660
If someone points a gun at you, you
shoot.
529
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,120
I have to. Why?
530
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,520
If I don't, I'm dead.
531
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Do you think that drug dealers know
this? That you'll shoot if they point a
532
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,440
at you?
533
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:10,940
This man had an Uzi pointed at the door.
534
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,840
Suddenly that door came down and that
Uzi was pointed at police.
535
00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:18,740
With an Uzi pointed at two armed
policemen. Was it not reasonable for
536
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:20,060
to think that they would shoot?
537
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,220
Listen, I'm keeping my mouth shut here
and minding my own business.
538
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,780
There's not a person in this room who
doesn't appreciate the enormity of that
539
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:31,780
feat. Okay, that's it.
540
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,540
This is ridiculous.
541
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,340
Hold it. Come on.
542
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,680
Everybody take a breath.
543
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,820
Let's consider for a second.
544
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:45,670
What our role is in here?
545
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:48,550
It's to serve society, right?
546
00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:52,530
Good. Great.
547
00:33:53,130 --> 00:34:00,030
Well, if we all agree that we should
give society the benefit of the doubt,
548
00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:01,570
can we put this kid back on the street?
549
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:06,110
Maybe it's not his fault for having the
psychological problems that he has.
550
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:08,670
He nevertheless is a killer.
551
00:34:10,030 --> 00:34:13,889
Ms. Bales, I think you even admitted the
boy is probably evil.
552
00:34:14,170 --> 00:34:17,590
But I still think he could have acted in
self -defense.
553
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:18,989
Okay.
554
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:20,290
Even if he did.
555
00:34:20,870 --> 00:34:23,030
In fact, let's assume that he did.
556
00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:26,010
Is society better off by an acquittal?
557
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:30,090
The man sells cocaine and heroin.
558
00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:32,909
And is probably responsible for killing
kids.
559
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,679
He has an arsenal of weapons in his
apartment ready to shoot anybody who
560
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:44,639
in the door too quickly. If we set him
free, we know, we know he
561
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,060
will kill again.
562
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,280
Is there anybody here who seriously
doubts that?
563
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:59,640
Well, when he does...
564
00:35:02,670 --> 00:35:03,670
How do we go on?
565
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:09,170
How do we look our children in the eye
and say, yeah, we're the ones who put
566
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:10,170
back out there?
567
00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:16,230
How do we look into the eyes of the
families of his next victims?
568
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:26,510
David Robinson is a hardened drug
-dealing criminal who kills, then kicks
569
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:27,690
body to make sure it's dead.
570
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:31,170
I didn't see remorse on that tape.
571
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,560
I didn't see shock.
572
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,020
I saw a kid who killed easily.
573
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,320
Who could kill again.
574
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,560
Is that what you saw, Mr. Kramer?
575
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:53,660
Mr. Cranepool?
576
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:14,090
If we're that forgiving a community,
God, David Robinson may
577
00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:15,110
want to come here to live.
578
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:18,030
We want that?
579
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:30,890
Maybe we should take another vote.
580
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:50,660
I just need a second till they go away.
Fine.
581
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,800
What?
582
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,260
I'm not supposed to prosecute this
because I'm black, is that it?
583
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,440
You can prosecute whomever you want.
584
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,960
A black jury would convict him in ten
minutes.
585
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:11,420
Well, then we should all be grateful the
system is white because it is the white
586
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:14,920
society that holds out black
opportunity, isn't it? I don't have to
587
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,920
that.
588
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,880
You pervert the system.
589
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:23,100
Using every opportunity to make this
thing about race.
590
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:28,660
Every trick to exploit the fact. White
cops, black suspect. It will be about
591
00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:33,160
race. That's not the issue this time.
You pick your issues, counsel, and I'll
592
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,160
pick mine.
593
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,080
It is an adversary process.
594
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:38,280
It's supposed to work.
595
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:45,660
Guilty.
596
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Guilty.
597
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Guilty.
598
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:51,500
Guilty?
599
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:55,380
Guilty.
600
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,840
Please.
601
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,400
I've got kids playing on these streets.
602
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,660
I still think he was afraid.
603
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:09,040
But I also think he probably would kill
again.
604
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,660
I'm changing my vote.
605
00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:16,260
Guilty.
606
00:38:18,190 --> 00:38:19,950
You're the only one, Mrs. Cranepool.
607
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:22,770
The only one?
608
00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:30,330
Okay. All right!
609
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:32,510
Get the hell out of here! Hold it.
610
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:35,230
I haven't voted yet.
611
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:41,430
Not guilty.
612
00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:43,070
What'd you say?
613
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:44,270
You heard me.
614
00:38:45,110 --> 00:38:46,110
Sheriff Brock.
615
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:48,340
I don't think he's innocent.
616
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:54,500
But if we're going to send a kid away
for life, we have to do it because we
617
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,480
convinced he's guilty.
618
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,220
Oh, come on, Jimmy. We are.
619
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,360
Take a look at the vote. No.
620
00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:02,760
You voted that way because of Mr.
621
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Moriarity's speech.
622
00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:08,700
You voted to convict because you're
afraid he'll kill again.
623
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,160
As am I.
624
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:16,800
But we can only convict for what he did,
not...
625
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:21,490
Because of what he might do, not because
of what we know he will do.
626
00:39:24,970 --> 00:39:31,890
If we think he acted out of self
-defense, we have to acquit. Even
627
00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:34,490
if we are positive he'll kill again when
he gets out.
628
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:39,230
Really? Come on, Jimmy, you don't
believe this is self -defense. Not for a
629
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:40,230
second.
630
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:44,650
The Uzi's in his hand.
631
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:47,730
when the two policemen come through the
door.
632
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:52,550
Now, in a situation like this, the
police have to shoot. No discretion.
633
00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:58,390
A suspect has an automatic weapon in his
hand. You shoot, no question.
634
00:39:59,290 --> 00:40:04,990
If David Robinson is looking at those
officers and he's thinking, I'm a dead
635
00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:10,490
man, he is 100 % right. If he didn't
shoot, he'd be dead.
636
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:14,570
So how can this not be self -defense?
637
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,100
We can't.
638
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:20,680
We can't just turn this kid free.
639
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Well, maybe we don't.
640
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:27,680
But Mr. Kramer is right.
641
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,780
The kid had to be afraid.
642
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,440
So the only question here is, do we lock
him up just the same?
643
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Because Mr. Moriarty is right, too.
644
00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:42,000
The kid will kill again.
645
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:36,850
Will the defendant please rise?
646
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:44,590
Mr. Foreman, has the jury reached a
verdict?
647
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:48,450
We have, Your Honor.
648
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:50,410
What say you?
649
00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:57,570
On the charge of murder in the first
degree, we, the jury, find the
650
00:41:57,690 --> 00:42:01,890
David Robinson, not guilty.
651
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:12,700
Members of the jury, thank you for your
time.
652
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:14,960
The defendant is free to go.
653
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:16,880
This matter is adjourned.
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