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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:28,419 โ™ช I started out to go to Cuba 4 00:00:28,463 --> 00:00:31,553 โ™ช I landed in Miami Beach 5 00:00:31,596 --> 00:00:34,730 โ™ช It's not so very far from Cuba โ™ช 6 00:00:34,773 --> 00:00:37,254 โ™ช And oh what a rumba they teach โ™ช 7 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:44,044 My first national talk show started in Miami. 8 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:49,136 From the sun and fun capital of the world, 9 00:00:50,137 --> 00:00:52,008 this is "The Larry King Show." 10 00:00:54,445 --> 00:00:57,448 Miami Beach fermented everything for me. 11 00:00:59,189 --> 00:01:02,062 Bunny Yeager came on my show a few times, I interviewed her. 12 00:01:03,846 --> 00:01:05,848 She was special. 13 00:01:13,203 --> 00:01:15,901 How many beautiful girls do you know 14 00:01:15,945 --> 00:01:19,644 who could have been a major model, movie star? 15 00:01:21,385 --> 00:01:25,955 How many do you know would be a photographer of pinup girls? 16 00:01:27,348 --> 00:01:28,871 She didn't really get the credit she deserved. 17 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,831 She was so far ahead of her time. 18 00:01:32,875 --> 00:01:35,051 The work that she did paved the way for me 19 00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:36,835 to be able to do what I do now. 20 00:01:37,967 --> 00:01:39,969 In photographing herself, 21 00:01:40,012 --> 00:01:42,319 she found incredible empowerment. 22 00:01:44,060 --> 00:01:47,150 She should be woven into the narrative of art history 23 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:48,760 because she deserved to be. 24 00:02:53,999 --> 00:02:56,132 In the 1940s, 25 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:58,439 Bunny Yeager starts out as a model. 26 00:03:04,445 --> 00:03:06,708 She was photographed by a lot of photographers, 27 00:03:06,751 --> 00:03:08,449 she got into all the magazines. 28 00:03:13,932 --> 00:03:17,762 But then she got an interest in taking pictures herself. 29 00:03:17,806 --> 00:03:19,938 She thought men are getting paid for this, 30 00:03:19,982 --> 00:03:21,505 so why shouldn't I? 31 00:03:23,246 --> 00:03:25,944 And for whatever reason, right from the beginning, 32 00:03:25,988 --> 00:03:27,946 she was shooting great work. 33 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:46,356 Bunny used to work every year with a guy named Roy Penny. 34 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,358 He was the one that identified her 35 00:03:48,402 --> 00:03:52,319 as the world's prettiest, most beautiful photographer. 36 00:03:58,977 --> 00:04:01,415 And that storyline became the cover 37 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:03,721 of "US Camera" in 1953. 38 00:04:05,375 --> 00:04:06,855 She was also one of the world's 39 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:08,552 hardest working photographers, 40 00:04:08,596 --> 00:04:10,989 one of the world's most successful photographers, 41 00:04:11,033 --> 00:04:13,340 one of the world's most daring photographers. 42 00:04:15,733 --> 00:04:17,692 And one of the things that I think 43 00:04:17,735 --> 00:04:21,217 really is classic Bunny is that she took it, 44 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,045 and she ran with it. 45 00:04:32,359 --> 00:04:34,317 I really love the pictures of Bunny Yeager as a 46 00:04:34,361 --> 00:04:36,928 model when she was super platinum blonde. 47 00:04:40,105 --> 00:04:41,977 I love those pictures. 48 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:44,588 I think it's so important that she was like 49 00:04:44,632 --> 00:04:47,199 a bombshell pinup girl. 50 00:04:47,243 --> 00:04:48,897 It really made all the difference 51 00:04:48,940 --> 00:04:50,899 in how she photographed other people. 52 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:54,294 There's always been lots of 53 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:55,860 different ways to take a photograph. 54 00:04:55,904 --> 00:04:58,863 There's photographs that are about showing you 55 00:04:58,907 --> 00:05:02,476 on your best day, and then a tiny bit better. 56 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:04,608 That's what Bunny's photographs were. 57 00:05:08,612 --> 00:05:13,313 She could take a relatively plain looking young woman, 58 00:05:13,356 --> 00:05:16,838 and she'd get the greatest photo she ever took in her life. 59 00:05:19,014 --> 00:05:20,972 She just would transform them. 60 00:05:23,671 --> 00:05:24,846 Everything in Bunny's photographs 61 00:05:24,889 --> 00:05:26,543 was pretty much calculated. 62 00:05:26,587 --> 00:05:28,806 Her hair and complexion were so delicate, 63 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:31,983 it was difficult to control the lighting ratio in the sun. 64 00:05:33,681 --> 00:05:35,335 Like she said, there was a reason to her madness. 65 00:05:35,378 --> 00:05:36,466 I wanted to shoot her this way 66 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:37,902 because in a natural setting, 67 00:05:37,946 --> 00:05:39,991 she would be far more outstanding. 68 00:05:41,515 --> 00:05:43,212 She will take notes prior to assembling 69 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:45,127 a story for a photograph. 70 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:48,348 She had incredibly high standards, 71 00:05:48,391 --> 00:05:51,089 and she worked incredibly fast. 72 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:52,656 That's one of my favorite things about working 73 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:55,920 with former models that are also photographers. 74 00:05:55,964 --> 00:05:58,401 They know how they wanna be seen. 75 00:05:58,445 --> 00:06:01,448 They know that they wanna be shown in their best light 76 00:06:01,491 --> 00:06:03,798 and their most beautiful, their most sexy. 77 00:06:03,841 --> 00:06:06,409 They want their flaws disguised, 78 00:06:06,453 --> 00:06:09,630 they want their assets amplified. 79 00:06:14,983 --> 00:06:16,724 I remember watching my mom mimic 80 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:21,250 the face poses that she wanted the models to have. 81 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:23,078 It was fascinating. 82 00:06:23,121 --> 00:06:26,690 If her model could arch her back in a specific way, 83 00:06:26,734 --> 00:06:29,693 she was gonna arch her back to 110%. 84 00:06:29,737 --> 00:06:32,870 What better homework could there be than Bunny Yeager 85 00:06:32,914 --> 00:06:34,568 being a pinup model herself? 86 00:06:34,611 --> 00:06:37,179 So she could say like, "Yeah, I know that's killing 87 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:40,182 your back right now, yes, I know it feels unnatural, 88 00:06:40,225 --> 00:06:43,011 but we are gonna get a beautiful shot." 89 00:06:43,054 --> 00:06:46,449 That's something that not just anybody can convey. 90 00:06:46,493 --> 00:06:49,278 She had just this incredible skill 91 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:54,196 for finding models, and convincing them to work with her. 92 00:06:55,545 --> 00:06:57,112 'Cause that's, you know, that's the key, 93 00:06:57,155 --> 00:06:59,462 especially when you're doing nude photography. 94 00:07:02,726 --> 00:07:05,903 If a man or woman walked around a neighborhood, 95 00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:09,341 knocked on a door today and said, "Hey, hi, 96 00:07:09,385 --> 00:07:13,781 I'm so and so, I am a photographer, would you pose nude? 97 00:07:13,824 --> 00:07:16,348 They'd slam the door and call the police? 98 00:07:16,392 --> 00:07:19,264 Look, Terry, let me talk frankly with you. 99 00:07:19,308 --> 00:07:21,963 You and I could make a lot of money together. 100 00:07:22,006 --> 00:07:24,487 You mean by me posing nude for you? 101 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:28,273 What's wrong with that? You've seen my pictures. 102 00:07:28,317 --> 00:07:31,233 But Bunny specifically picks people 103 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:33,496 because they have a sparkle in their eyes, 104 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:36,151 because they have something in their personality 105 00:07:36,194 --> 00:07:37,979 that she thinks she can get across. 106 00:07:38,022 --> 00:07:39,763 Bunny always knew how to identify 107 00:07:39,807 --> 00:07:41,896 a particular face, a Bunny girl 108 00:07:41,939 --> 00:07:43,463 like Bruce Weber used to say, 109 00:07:43,506 --> 00:07:46,944 "I can spot a Bunny girl in the supermarket." 110 00:07:46,988 --> 00:07:49,947 She has that swagger, you know? 111 00:07:49,991 --> 00:07:52,776 She has that life in herself, you know? 112 00:07:52,820 --> 00:07:54,517 That kind of fearless, like, I don't care 113 00:07:54,561 --> 00:07:58,390 what you think of me, I'm just being myself. 114 00:07:58,434 --> 00:08:01,829 I won the scholarship to Cornett Model Agency, 115 00:08:01,872 --> 00:08:03,395 and that's how I started modeling 116 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:06,398 for Burdines in the tea room. 117 00:08:06,442 --> 00:08:09,097 I modeled for Emilio Pucci, 118 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:12,056 who's very famous now, he's dead, but... 119 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:17,453 I think we got something like $25, 120 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:20,021 or $30 for a fashion show, 121 00:08:20,064 --> 00:08:22,240 and like $12 for the fitting. 122 00:08:22,284 --> 00:08:26,157 You had to go, you know, before and fit into your clothes. 123 00:08:26,201 --> 00:08:28,464 My first shoot with Bunny, 124 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:31,336 I was living on Rivo Alto Island, 125 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:35,036 and I think we went somewhere in my neighborhood. 126 00:08:35,079 --> 00:08:36,341 Did you feel like when you did that, 127 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:37,952 it was a brave thing to do? 128 00:08:39,693 --> 00:08:41,869 No, I thought it was just earning money. 129 00:08:48,484 --> 00:08:50,704 Depending on your looks 130 00:08:50,747 --> 00:08:54,185 for a living is intimidating. 131 00:08:55,273 --> 00:08:56,753 I wouldn't be caught dead 132 00:08:56,797 --> 00:08:59,103 going out to get the mail without my makeup. 133 00:09:03,586 --> 00:09:06,720 I enjoyed getting the paycheck every time, 134 00:09:06,763 --> 00:09:08,243 and it was very much needed. 135 00:09:08,286 --> 00:09:10,593 I was supporting my mother and myself, 136 00:09:10,637 --> 00:09:12,900 and had a household to take care of. 137 00:09:14,989 --> 00:09:17,948 I've looked at a lot of pinup photography in my life, 138 00:09:17,992 --> 00:09:21,082 and the thing that I've noticed about the photos 139 00:09:21,125 --> 00:09:23,301 Bunny Yeager took of her models 140 00:09:23,345 --> 00:09:27,131 is that you see so much of their personality. 141 00:09:27,175 --> 00:09:29,743 There's something inherently female 142 00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:31,571 about the way that she looks at her subjects, 143 00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:33,442 and you can feel it reflected back at you, 144 00:09:33,485 --> 00:09:36,314 because the models, they don't look as much like objects. 145 00:09:36,358 --> 00:09:39,666 She's a friend and you see that in the pictures, 146 00:09:39,709 --> 00:09:42,364 the way that the women really trusted her, 147 00:09:42,407 --> 00:09:45,454 and were hungry for a friendship, you know? 148 00:09:51,242 --> 00:09:53,244 A lot of these models in a million years 149 00:09:53,288 --> 00:09:55,420 wouldn't have worked with a male photographer. 150 00:09:55,464 --> 00:09:58,510 People really responded to her, she had a big personality, 151 00:09:58,554 --> 00:10:02,253 and she made people feel like they were a part of her world 152 00:10:02,297 --> 00:10:04,081 as soon as they came in. 153 00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:08,869 She knew how to pose, 154 00:10:08,912 --> 00:10:13,308 and she knew just how you were feeling. 155 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:16,790 If you felt awkward or something, she'd say, 156 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:21,272 "Well, relax just a little bit and try this or try that." 157 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:24,754 You just felt like you were with a girlfriend, actually. 158 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:28,018 That was fun, 159 00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:32,501 and I think I looked like I was having fun. 160 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:35,243 She was easy to work for in that way, 161 00:10:35,286 --> 00:10:39,595 talking to you and making you laugh and putting you at ease. 162 00:10:41,292 --> 00:10:43,468 Bunny was unique in the sense 163 00:10:43,512 --> 00:10:46,907 that she was doing, well, cheesecake photography. 164 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:48,648 I mean, a lot of those pictures, 165 00:10:48,691 --> 00:10:51,651 for the 50s, we're talking risque. 166 00:10:53,565 --> 00:10:56,220 She always seemed to wanna pull it down 167 00:10:56,264 --> 00:10:58,005 a little bit on the side, or... 168 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:04,402 Compared to now, they look like, you know, Mickey Mouse. 169 00:11:10,191 --> 00:11:13,455 I don't really remember this picture at all looking at it. 170 00:11:13,498 --> 00:11:16,545 There was a chalks on a sea plane, 171 00:11:16,588 --> 00:11:20,723 but I do remember Bunny was very creative finding locations. 172 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:31,778 So the 1950s gives us both this virginal view 173 00:11:32,996 --> 00:11:34,737 of the woman as domestic goddess, 174 00:11:34,781 --> 00:11:38,698 but also this kind of wellspring of teenage rebellion. 175 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:44,007 For women like Bunny Yeager, 176 00:11:44,051 --> 00:11:46,227 for women like Marilyn Monroe, 177 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:48,577 you find that they're really willing 178 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:53,364 to put themselves out there, and exploit and explore 179 00:11:53,408 --> 00:11:55,453 that friction, that space. 180 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,328 My name is Christy Strong, and I'm the granddaughter 181 00:12:00,371 --> 00:12:03,853 of Maria Stinger, who was one of Bunny Yeager's best friends 182 00:12:03,897 --> 00:12:05,725 and biggest models back in the day. 183 00:12:14,168 --> 00:12:17,388 Maria was known as being Miami's Marilyn. 184 00:12:17,432 --> 00:12:20,087 She won Marilyn Monroe lookalike contests, 185 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:24,004 she was in calendars, she was on the cover of magazines. 186 00:12:28,051 --> 00:12:30,401 Bunny was really the one that blew her up. 187 00:12:32,099 --> 00:12:35,406 And what she loved about Maria is that Maria had no fear. 188 00:12:37,844 --> 00:12:39,584 Maria Stinger was a handful, 189 00:12:39,628 --> 00:12:42,109 Maria Stinger was Bunny's best friend. 190 00:12:42,152 --> 00:12:46,461 Maria Stinger had a smile that could get anyone in trouble. 191 00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:50,552 One of my favorite set of photos that bunny took 192 00:12:50,595 --> 00:12:53,207 of my grandmother was at Africa USA, 193 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:57,907 which at the time in Miami was this safari theme park. 194 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,130 There's no fear in my grandmother's eyes. 195 00:13:03,173 --> 00:13:06,698 She looks gorgeous, they're having a wonderful time. 196 00:13:06,742 --> 00:13:08,613 Those were the first set of pictures 197 00:13:08,657 --> 00:13:11,399 that Bunny professionally sold. 198 00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:18,841 I did know Maria Stinger a little bit. 199 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:21,539 I remember us going over to their house one time 200 00:13:21,583 --> 00:13:23,367 and me playing with her daughters. 201 00:13:23,411 --> 00:13:24,760 I do remember meeting 202 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,718 one of the models, Maria Stinger. 203 00:13:26,762 --> 00:13:29,286 I didn't know who she was at that time or what her name is, 204 00:13:29,330 --> 00:13:31,158 but she was always very good to me. 205 00:13:33,551 --> 00:13:36,728 When I was in my early teens, I started to ask 206 00:13:36,772 --> 00:13:39,949 more questions about who my grandmother was. 207 00:13:41,385 --> 00:13:43,561 My family was kind of almost afraid 208 00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:45,389 of what they would find if they dug too deeply 209 00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:47,304 into my grandmother's life and work. 210 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:51,831 My grandmother was basically an exhibitionist. 211 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:57,445 Bunny talks about how she didn't have a lot of women friends 212 00:13:57,488 --> 00:13:58,489 back in the day. 213 00:14:00,013 --> 00:14:02,580 She used to like to tease my grandmother and say, 214 00:14:02,624 --> 00:14:04,931 "Maria, just, you know, take off your shirt." 215 00:14:04,974 --> 00:14:07,063 "Come on, you know you want to." 216 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:11,981 And then inevitably, she'd always take off her shirt. 217 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:15,332 Really, it was this like fun, 218 00:14:15,376 --> 00:14:17,769 playful dynamic they had together. 219 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:31,261 โ™ช I saw the capercaillie play today โ™ช 220 00:14:31,305 --> 00:14:33,916 I think you can see how daring Bunny Yeager 221 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,050 was as a photographer from her earliest days 222 00:14:37,093 --> 00:14:39,226 by the locations she was choosing. 223 00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:42,664 She would photograph models nude on the beach 224 00:14:42,707 --> 00:14:44,405 early in the morning. 225 00:14:44,448 --> 00:14:48,148 She would get access to amusement parks, like Playland. 226 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:51,629 Her first published photograph was taken 227 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:54,632 at a wild animal park. 228 00:14:54,676 --> 00:14:58,767 She would ask her friends for use of their mansions, 229 00:14:58,810 --> 00:15:01,465 and she would even film people nude 230 00:15:01,509 --> 00:15:04,077 in front of her Christmas tree. 231 00:15:06,731 --> 00:15:09,865 As soon as Bunny started taking pictures, 232 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:12,433 every magazine wanted to have her stuff in there. 233 00:15:14,391 --> 00:15:17,612 Bunny gave cache to magazines. 234 00:15:17,655 --> 00:15:19,483 If you published Bunny Yeager photographs, 235 00:15:19,527 --> 00:15:21,355 not only were you getting great photos, 236 00:15:21,398 --> 00:15:24,924 you were also getting to say that you were getting photos 237 00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:27,970 by Bunny Yeager, the world's prettiest photographer. 238 00:15:29,972 --> 00:15:32,322 She understood what the magazines wanted, 239 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:33,758 and what was commercial. 240 00:15:36,326 --> 00:15:41,244 She was able to take the fact that she was working 241 00:15:41,288 --> 00:15:44,073 both in front of and behind the camera, 242 00:15:44,117 --> 00:15:46,249 and turn that into a brand. 243 00:15:48,469 --> 00:15:52,125 Not many people are on both sides of the camera, 244 00:15:52,168 --> 00:15:55,650 and Bunny was on both sides of the camera. 245 00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:57,391 Smile, sparkle. 246 00:15:58,914 --> 00:15:59,828 Good. 247 00:16:00,829 --> 00:16:01,961 All right, let's try something 248 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:03,397 with your arms around your head. 249 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:07,618 You're one of the world's foremost photographers 250 00:16:07,662 --> 00:16:10,230 of women, is this a good job? 251 00:16:10,273 --> 00:16:12,362 I'm not trying to play income tax man now, 252 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:14,886 but do you make a good living out of it? 253 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:17,193 Well, I make a nice living, but the big thing 254 00:16:17,237 --> 00:16:20,066 about it for me is I'm married and I have two children. 255 00:16:20,109 --> 00:16:21,589 And I can make my own hours, 256 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:24,635 and still indulge in having a career. 257 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:25,985 โ™ช In my life 258 00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:29,640 โ™ช I met a beauty without bounds โ™ช 259 00:16:29,684 --> 00:16:32,904 Dad talked about it a lot, how special she was. 260 00:16:32,948 --> 00:16:34,732 I remember him always telling me, 261 00:16:34,776 --> 00:16:37,518 "Your mom's not like other moms, just being a housewife 262 00:16:37,561 --> 00:16:40,564 and sitting around eating Bonbons." 263 00:16:40,608 --> 00:16:43,872 "She's working, she's a photographer." 264 00:16:45,569 --> 00:16:49,051 Bunny was the most famous female photographer in America. 265 00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:52,098 Bunny Yeager, is that right? 266 00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:56,624 Miss or Mrs Yeager? 267 00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:58,191 Actually, it's Mrs. 268 00:16:58,234 --> 00:16:59,540 Mrs. Yeager, where are you from Mrs. Yeager? 269 00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:00,715 Miami, Florida. 270 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:02,456 Miami, Florida. Lucky Florida. 271 00:17:02,499 --> 00:17:04,806 All right, panel, you all masked up? 272 00:17:06,286 --> 00:17:08,288 Let's have a look at everybody here and abouts, 273 00:17:08,331 --> 00:17:09,724 except those four good characters over there on the panel 274 00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:11,726 know exactly what your line is. 275 00:17:18,733 --> 00:17:22,084 One of the factors that really influenced the shape 276 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:25,522 of Bunny's career was how much of an outsider she was. 277 00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:29,178 John, it's all too obvious. Mrs. Yeager is from Miami. 278 00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:31,963 She's not sunburned, she's a beautiful blonde. 279 00:17:32,007 --> 00:17:34,966 She's obviously a typical American school teacher. 280 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:36,098 One down and nine to go. 281 00:17:36,142 --> 00:17:37,752 She was an outsider 282 00:17:37,795 --> 00:17:39,275 because she was a self-taught photographer, 283 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:41,060 she was an outsider because she was a woman. 284 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:43,497 She was an outsider because she lived in Miami, 285 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:46,369 which was not a center of publishing. 286 00:17:46,413 --> 00:17:48,937 Mrs. Yeager, do you deal in services? 287 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:50,808 Yes, I do. 288 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:52,636 Mrs. Yeager once was on the other side of the camera, 289 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,335 but for the last four years, she's been a photographer. 290 00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:56,510 She was an original, 291 00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:59,600 and she epitomized in a sense 292 00:17:59,643 --> 00:18:04,561 what Miami Beach was in the '50s and '60s, 293 00:18:04,605 --> 00:18:09,392 booming, loose, devil may care, 294 00:18:09,436 --> 00:18:11,177 let it all happen. 295 00:18:15,746 --> 00:18:18,662 I had just started radio and I was doing a morning show. 296 00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:21,404 And one day the general manager called me in and said, 297 00:18:21,448 --> 00:18:24,015 "The all night guy, Al Fox, is sick, 298 00:18:24,059 --> 00:18:25,626 would you sit in overnight?" 299 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:27,323 It's "The Witching Hour," 300 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:30,109 Miami Beach's Midnight Flyer program, we're underway. 301 00:18:30,152 --> 00:18:32,589 He says, "All you do is just play records and talk." 302 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,678 Miami Beach Midnight Flyer- 303 00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:36,332 This is not a Bunny Yeager story. 304 00:18:38,595 --> 00:18:40,380 But I'm alone in the station 305 00:18:40,423 --> 00:18:43,252 and about 3:00 a.m. the phone rings. 306 00:18:46,473 --> 00:18:48,170 And I pick up the phone, "WAHR," 307 00:18:49,389 --> 00:18:52,087 and this voice, I can hear it now, 308 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:55,177 said, "I want you." 309 00:18:58,441 --> 00:19:00,878 I'm 22 years old, no woman has ever said, 310 00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:02,576 "I want you," to me. 311 00:19:02,619 --> 00:19:06,101 I suddenly realized there were other advantages 312 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,320 to being on the radio. 313 00:19:08,277 --> 00:19:11,150 โ™ช Really love me 314 00:19:12,238 --> 00:19:14,762 I said, "Well, I get off at six." 315 00:19:14,805 --> 00:19:18,505 She says, "No, I go to work at six, 316 00:19:19,897 --> 00:19:21,899 the only time is now." 317 00:19:21,943 --> 00:19:25,860 โ™ช Did you ever really miss me 318 00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:30,691 So what the audience heard was, 319 00:19:32,432 --> 00:19:37,045 "Ladies and gentlemen, I have a real treat for you tonight." 320 00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:41,005 You're gonna hear the entire Harry Belafonte 321 00:19:41,049 --> 00:19:45,836 and Carnegie Hall album," which took 23 minutes, 322 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,534 which is all the time I needed. 323 00:19:48,970 --> 00:19:51,581 โ™ช Down the way where the nights are gay โ™ช 324 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:53,279 โ™ช And the sun shines 325 00:19:53,322 --> 00:19:56,586 I put the record on, zoomed over to the house. 326 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:58,675 I open up the door, there's this lady, 327 00:19:58,719 --> 00:20:02,984 I never saw her clear, white negligee sitting on the couch, 328 00:20:03,027 --> 00:20:06,074 opens her arms, I jump into her arms. 329 00:20:06,117 --> 00:20:08,598 My right cheek is against her right cheek, 330 00:20:08,642 --> 00:20:12,341 Belafonte is on the radio, and I hear 331 00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:14,343 โ™ช Down the way where the knights โ™ช 332 00:20:14,387 --> 00:20:15,431 โ™ช Where the knights 333 00:20:15,475 --> 00:20:16,998 The record gets stuck. 334 00:20:19,261 --> 00:20:22,612 I place her back on the couch, go to my car, 335 00:20:22,656 --> 00:20:25,354 Jewish masochism, I leave the radio on. 336 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:29,663 We enter the station, 337 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:31,273 all the lights are ringing, the phones. 338 00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:34,102 I'm picking them up, I'm apologizing to people. 339 00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:38,106 I'm sweating, the last phone call 340 00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:42,284 was an older Jewish man and I said, "Hello." 341 00:20:42,328 --> 00:20:46,767 And he said, "Where the nights, where the nights." 342 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:50,249 "I'm going crazy with where the nights." 343 00:20:50,292 --> 00:20:55,341 So I said to him, "Why didn't you just change the station?" 344 00:20:56,951 --> 00:21:00,084 And he said, "I'm an invalid, and I'm in bed all night 345 00:21:00,128 --> 00:21:01,782 and a nurse takes care of me." 346 00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:04,480 "And when she leaves, she sets the radio 347 00:21:04,524 --> 00:21:08,049 on top of the wardrobe set to your station, 348 00:21:08,092 --> 00:21:10,007 I can't get up and change it." 349 00:21:14,185 --> 00:21:18,059 I said, "I deeply apologize. Can I do anything for you?" 350 00:21:18,102 --> 00:21:19,843 He said, "Yeah, play Hava Nagila." 351 00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:27,416 There was nothing like Miami Beach, nothing like it. 352 00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:31,725 It was hard in Miami, Miami Beach, 353 00:21:31,768 --> 00:21:34,423 to take anything really seriously. 354 00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:45,608 People got married, got divorced, nothing was forever. 355 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,745 It was a loose, by a loose town, 356 00:21:51,788 --> 00:21:56,227 I mean it was a very sexually liberated city. 357 00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:03,713 Bunny Met Sammy Davis Jr. in 1955. 358 00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:08,109 Imagine, this is segregated Miami. 359 00:22:08,152 --> 00:22:10,416 Sammy couldn't even stay on Miami Beach 360 00:22:10,459 --> 00:22:12,418 past six o'clock at night. 361 00:22:14,245 --> 00:22:15,899 Bunny tells this great story about 362 00:22:15,943 --> 00:22:18,902 how she picked Sammy up in the car and Sammy said, 363 00:22:18,946 --> 00:22:20,991 "I have to get in the back seat." 364 00:22:21,035 --> 00:22:23,603 I don't know if Bunny was naive at the time, 365 00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:25,387 but that was just absurd to her 366 00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:27,998 because Sammy was such a huge celebrity. 367 00:22:29,739 --> 00:22:32,133 He still wasn't comfortable riding in the front seat 368 00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:34,831 with a blonde white woman in Miami at the time. 369 00:22:36,877 --> 00:22:38,444 He would go off during the day 370 00:22:38,487 --> 00:22:41,316 with Bunny and photograph models, 371 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,799 both of them taking a risk at that time. 372 00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:47,235 They would photograph pictures 373 00:22:47,278 --> 00:22:49,455 of my grandmother, Maria, together. 374 00:22:51,457 --> 00:22:54,111 They hit it off and she gave him lessons 375 00:22:54,155 --> 00:22:56,462 on how to pose models. 376 00:22:58,638 --> 00:23:00,161 They photographed together 377 00:23:00,204 --> 00:23:02,424 behind her favorite photo shooting place, 378 00:23:02,468 --> 00:23:05,993 which was the abandoned mansion of the Firestones, 379 00:23:06,036 --> 00:23:08,952 which is actually where the Fontainebleau is now. 380 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,392 So there was a night that Bunny and Bud 381 00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:16,482 and Sammy Davis Jr. came over to my grandparents' house. 382 00:23:19,267 --> 00:23:21,617 It goes beyond just a couple of couples 383 00:23:21,661 --> 00:23:23,358 hanging out and having fun. 384 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,067 They all felt comfortable just hanging around, 385 00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:39,026 you know, my grandmother's nude. 386 00:23:39,069 --> 00:23:41,724 It's just like nobody cares. 387 00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:45,859 Bunny was straight in that world. 388 00:23:45,902 --> 00:23:50,994 She very much embraced the notion that being a sexual woman 389 00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:56,043 gave you an entree into this highly sophisticated society. 390 00:23:59,176 --> 00:24:02,005 Bunny really kind of skirted two worlds. 391 00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:04,878 In fact, you look at some of her books from the 50s 392 00:24:04,921 --> 00:24:08,316 and she'll have the nice girl next door. 393 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,884 And the next page, it'll be a burlesque performer 394 00:24:10,927 --> 00:24:15,062 that was over at Plus Pigalle on the beach. 395 00:24:23,766 --> 00:24:26,813 You know, I grew up in a farming town in Michigan. 396 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:30,164 I'm a natural dishwater blonde, 397 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:33,515 not very glamorous, kind of very ordinary looking, 398 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,519 and I wanted to be the opposite of what I was. 399 00:24:37,563 --> 00:24:40,435 I wanted to be like a Hollywood movie star. 400 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:44,047 18 years old, and went to a place in Anaheim, 401 00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:48,748 and walked into this little like blacked out windowed store 402 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:52,708 and it was a fetish store, and it was just like filled with, 403 00:24:52,752 --> 00:24:54,580 you know, everything you could imagine. 404 00:24:54,623 --> 00:24:57,408 And obviously, a completely different world for me. 405 00:24:59,149 --> 00:25:01,761 That's where I saw my first picture of Bettie Page. 406 00:25:02,762 --> 00:25:04,285 There wasn't really anybody 407 00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:06,809 that was trying to be the new Bettie Page, 408 00:25:06,853 --> 00:25:09,899 so that was kind of the thing that sparked my career. 409 00:25:12,772 --> 00:25:16,340 That never ending appeal of Bettie Page is, 410 00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:20,519 how can someone be so sexy and so innocent at the same time? 411 00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:27,177 โ™ช I'm gonna take my time 412 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:31,007 Bettie Page was a young woman in the 50s, 413 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:33,444 who moved to New York with big aspirations 414 00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:35,403 of maybe being an actress or a model. 415 00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:39,102 And ended up being in camera clubs, 416 00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:41,104 which were these sort of private pervy clubs 417 00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:44,325 where men came to photograph for their photography classes. 418 00:25:44,368 --> 00:25:45,935 But, you know, it was women in their underwear 419 00:25:45,979 --> 00:25:47,546 in people's living rooms. 420 00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:52,551 Bettie was an underground hit. 421 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:56,206 โ™ช Take my chance to see you swim and dance โ™ช 422 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:59,645 โ™ช Make a old man blush 423 00:25:59,688 --> 00:26:01,864 The sorts of magazines that Bettie Page 424 00:26:01,908 --> 00:26:04,258 became famous with would be kind of covered 425 00:26:04,301 --> 00:26:07,043 in brown paper wrappers, sold behind the counter, 426 00:26:07,087 --> 00:26:11,091 and you theoretically had to be of a certain age to buy. 427 00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:15,791 I think some people are familiar with Bettie's pinup images, 428 00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:18,272 and then there's the bondage stuff 429 00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:20,143 from like the Claw Studios. 430 00:26:20,187 --> 00:26:23,494 But if you dig even deeper, it gets much racier than that. 431 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,280 It's so funny that what were considered 432 00:26:26,323 --> 00:26:27,803 some of the raciest images of the time, 433 00:26:27,847 --> 00:26:29,675 that you had to know a guy who knew a guy, 434 00:26:29,718 --> 00:26:31,633 and then you had to get in the mail in a brown envelope, 435 00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:34,810 were made by a group of people who in no way 436 00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:36,464 was this titillating to them. 437 00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:37,857 They didn't even really understand 438 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:39,598 it on any sexuality level. 439 00:26:41,164 --> 00:26:43,689 This was business. There are guys who will pay money 440 00:26:43,732 --> 00:26:46,909 to get special boots made, and for women to just do 441 00:26:46,953 --> 00:26:49,042 something really specific, like dance around 442 00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:51,087 with this little stuffed clown. 443 00:26:56,353 --> 00:26:59,618 Bettie came down in 1954 on a vacation. 444 00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:04,448 There was someone in New York that Bunny had worked with 445 00:27:04,492 --> 00:27:09,540 who told her about Bettie, and they connected that way. 446 00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:24,817 The first shoot she did was at a studio 447 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:27,820 where she just had a ordinary backdrop. 448 00:27:37,743 --> 00:27:40,746 The second shoot was at Africa USA. 449 00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:43,052 โ™ช I declare sure enough 450 00:27:43,096 --> 00:27:46,403 โ™ช I'm a hot mama 451 00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:49,450 โ™ช I know about me 452 00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:51,365 I tried to tell Bunny, I said, 453 00:27:51,408 --> 00:27:53,846 "Bunny, I've got circles under my eyes and I feel terrible." 454 00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:55,848 I said, "I don't feel like posing." 455 00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,938 She says, "Bettie, I had to pay money to Little Africa 456 00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:02,158 to use it this morning," she said, "We have to do it today." 457 00:28:03,551 --> 00:28:05,422 The most popular pictures ever taken of me 458 00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:08,251 wearing that leopard outfit, and you can see circles, 459 00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:09,862 deep circles under my eyes. 460 00:28:11,167 --> 00:28:13,126 โ™ช Yeah I'm warning all you chicks โ™ช 461 00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:15,737 And those are the images she sent to Playboy. 462 00:28:17,608 --> 00:28:21,395 Playboy sent back a response saying, "We love these, 463 00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:25,181 but we only use indoor photographs for our centerfolds." 464 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,444 "Can you shoot her indoors?" 465 00:28:27,488 --> 00:28:29,882 โ™ช Hot mama 466 00:28:29,925 --> 00:28:32,145 And that's what she did, she went and she photographed her 467 00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:34,538 with the Christmas tree and the Christmas hat. 468 00:28:34,582 --> 00:28:37,890 And that became the January 55 centerfold, 469 00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:39,587 and they both became famous. 470 00:28:41,284 --> 00:28:42,808 I didn't know that Bunny Yeager was gonna send 471 00:28:42,851 --> 00:28:46,333 pictures to Mr. Hefner for "Playboy Magazine." 472 00:28:46,376 --> 00:28:49,031 I look like I've got a saggy, there's just one breast 473 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:50,598 showing in the picture, you know? 474 00:28:50,641 --> 00:28:52,469 That little Santa Claus hat and I'm winking, 475 00:28:52,513 --> 00:28:55,864 with a little Christmas tree ball covering you know where. 476 00:28:57,648 --> 00:29:01,783 Being in Playboy at that moment was kind of it, 477 00:29:01,827 --> 00:29:04,786 if you were the kind of model who took her clothes off. 478 00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:09,704 Bettie Page would not have received the kind of accolades 479 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:13,839 and star quality that stayed with her forever 480 00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:16,624 without appearing in the pages of Playboy. 481 00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:19,758 And, of course, Bunny made her a celebrity. 482 00:29:27,026 --> 00:29:29,593 The collaboration of Bettie Page and Bunny Yeager 483 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:31,726 changed both of their lives. 484 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,296 Before working with Bunny Yeager, 485 00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,821 Bettie Page was considered a fetish model, 486 00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:44,913 it had very little to do with celebrating Bettie Page. 487 00:29:46,132 --> 00:29:47,873 Bunny Yeager celebrated Bettie Page. 488 00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:52,094 My favorite pictures of Bettie are the ones of her 489 00:29:52,138 --> 00:29:54,183 surrounded by the lush foliage. 490 00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:57,621 It was always sort of like a playful 491 00:29:57,665 --> 00:29:59,928 sense of herself in those images. 492 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:02,844 That's one of the things I loved about her, 493 00:30:02,888 --> 00:30:04,715 and I think that made her so memorable. 494 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,457 Not the nudity aspect, but the fact that everything she did 495 00:30:07,501 --> 00:30:10,852 was sort of in a light, playful manner, 496 00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:13,028 and she made it all seem fun. 497 00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,384 For all of Bunny's photos, I find that there's a kind 498 00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:25,388 of joyousness to them, a celebratory quality. 499 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:30,176 That attitude in the 1950s was unthinkable, 500 00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:32,047 and approaching it with that kind of innocence 501 00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:34,223 is one of the common connections 502 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:37,357 that Marilyn Monroe shares with Bettie Page. 503 00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:49,064 A flood tide of filth is engulfing our country 504 00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:52,154 in the form of newsstand obscenity. 505 00:30:52,198 --> 00:30:55,549 That is directly responsible for a substantial amount 506 00:30:55,592 --> 00:30:58,247 of juvenile delinquency and child crime. 507 00:30:58,291 --> 00:31:01,511 This continues to increase for one reason, 508 00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:03,731 it is big business. 509 00:31:05,646 --> 00:31:07,822 You're really looking at a choice that women were making 510 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,433 to get involved with pinup photography at the time. 511 00:31:10,477 --> 00:31:12,609 That was a lot more complicated than just, 512 00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:14,046 I'm willing to take my clothes off 513 00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:16,265 in front of a camera, yes or no. 514 00:31:18,615 --> 00:31:23,707 Playboy was this magazine that, sure it was about sex, 515 00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:26,972 but it was also about jazz and it was about fashion, 516 00:31:27,015 --> 00:31:28,799 and it was about who you should think 517 00:31:28,843 --> 00:31:30,627 the cool new writers are. 518 00:31:30,671 --> 00:31:35,502 The names of the writers that came to us as a result 519 00:31:36,851 --> 00:31:39,071 of their wanting to appear in our pages, 520 00:31:39,114 --> 00:31:41,421 there was no other magazine at the time 521 00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:43,336 with that kind of a mix. 522 00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:48,602 First issue came out in December of 1953, 523 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,125 and we sold out. 524 00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:54,390 And then we proceeded to staff up. 525 00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:57,480 And then we started purchasing from independent 526 00:31:57,524 --> 00:32:00,048 photographers before we began shooting our own, 527 00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:02,050 and it was how I became familiar with Bunny Yeager. 528 00:32:02,094 --> 00:32:04,618 And Bunny Yeager then became a regular contributor 529 00:32:04,661 --> 00:32:06,185 to Playboy and a good friend. 530 00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:10,711 Bunny had a style of her own, and she really captured 531 00:32:10,754 --> 00:32:12,321 that girl next door quality. 532 00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:14,019 And that is one of the things 533 00:32:14,062 --> 00:32:16,456 that Hefner felt was so valuable. 534 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:24,203 She was a little adventuresome, 535 00:32:24,246 --> 00:32:26,335 so she was the girl you could marry 536 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,468 who would do fun stuff in the bedroom. 537 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:33,168 It wasn't really an easy thing to accomplish back then, 538 00:32:33,212 --> 00:32:37,390 because we had strong moral restrictions in America. 539 00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,742 Love seemed to be all that really mattered, 540 00:32:41,785 --> 00:32:43,613 but each of them knew deep down 541 00:32:43,657 --> 00:32:46,921 that they wanted their marriage vows to have real meaning. 542 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,662 It was easy to get a bunch of strippers, 543 00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,926 it was very hard to get an ordinary secretary. 544 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,321 The idea that a woman would want to be involved in it, 545 00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:58,280 would wanna produce material for it was perfect. 546 00:32:58,324 --> 00:32:59,890 It was something they could advertise, 547 00:32:59,934 --> 00:33:03,068 it was something that could bring in readers. 548 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:05,461 But the suggestion back then, 549 00:33:06,506 --> 00:33:08,247 that sex was simply a natural, 550 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:12,512 normal part of life, was very revolutionary. 551 00:33:12,555 --> 00:33:15,341 For however many faults he might have come 552 00:33:15,384 --> 00:33:20,215 to be associated with, Hugh Hefner was willing to take 553 00:33:20,259 --> 00:33:24,263 the input of a woman very seriously from the beginning 554 00:33:24,306 --> 00:33:27,048 in the voice and look of the magazine. 555 00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:31,270 Not only was she the first female photographer 556 00:33:31,313 --> 00:33:34,751 to shoot for Playboy, she was one of the first photographers 557 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,623 to shoot for Playboy at all. 558 00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:39,278 Hefner had a very special feeling for Bunny 559 00:33:41,062 --> 00:33:44,848 because she delivered and she delivered time and time again. 560 00:33:44,892 --> 00:33:49,288 The closest relationship he ever had to a photographer 561 00:33:49,331 --> 00:33:50,680 was with Bunny Yeager. 562 00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:57,252 "Dear Bunny, I imagine you received our check 563 00:33:57,296 --> 00:34:00,038 for slightly over $1,000 564 00:34:00,081 --> 00:34:03,606 for your September feature, Bunny's Honeys." 565 00:34:05,347 --> 00:34:07,567 Her involvement with the magazine went deeper 566 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:11,005 than just the centerfolds she shot. 567 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,529 She would also bring models to their attention, 568 00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:15,966 who maybe their centerfolds would end up being shot 569 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:18,099 on site and not by her. 570 00:34:18,143 --> 00:34:21,276 She was very involved in promoting the Playboy Club 571 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,148 when it came down to Miami. 572 00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:28,675 Bunny Yeager really helps define the look and voice 573 00:34:28,718 --> 00:34:32,287 of Playboy in the early 50s and in the mid 50s. 574 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,776 As magazines like Playboy made it more culturally acceptable 575 00:34:42,819 --> 00:34:45,039 to take off your clothes in front of the camera, 576 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:49,043 women started trying to get that notoriety, you know? 577 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:54,004 Get that ability to use that as a career stepping stone. 578 00:34:54,048 --> 00:34:58,183 Here were people, these housewives, with no agency, 579 00:34:58,226 --> 00:35:02,665 with no creative expression, who were not really allowed 580 00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:05,059 to go out and have a career. 581 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:06,974 People were putting them in front of the camera 582 00:35:07,017 --> 00:35:09,542 and saying, "You are special." 583 00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:13,589 It was just something exciting for them to do, 584 00:35:13,633 --> 00:35:16,114 it was a form of Hollywood for them. 585 00:35:17,767 --> 00:35:19,900 I talked to my dad about that when I was a teenager. 586 00:35:19,943 --> 00:35:22,642 I berated him for looking at the Playboys, 587 00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,383 and I said, why would you look at Playboys 588 00:35:24,426 --> 00:35:26,602 when you have mom here? 589 00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:28,648 And he says, well, I read the articles. 590 00:35:28,691 --> 00:35:30,824 And it's like, who are you kidding? 591 00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:39,572 โ™ช You come home 592 00:35:39,615 --> 00:35:44,707 โ™ช You come into my home 593 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,233 โ™ช And there's there's nothing more child โ™ช 594 00:35:48,276 --> 00:35:50,800 โ™ช I can say when you 595 00:35:50,844 --> 00:35:52,498 When she started working for Playboy, 596 00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:54,630 she was making really good money. 597 00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:57,503 I mean, for those years, really good money. 598 00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:04,205 What we think we know about Hugh Hefner is he loved women, 599 00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:07,208 and he wanted to own and control women. 600 00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:11,256 But I must tell you, frankly, that I am being taken 601 00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:14,215 advantage of in this association. 602 00:36:14,259 --> 00:36:19,351 And that it is becoming more and more a very one-sided deal, 603 00:36:20,787 --> 00:36:23,093 with Playboy getting the short end of the stick. 604 00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:26,314 And what we think we know about Bunny Yeager 605 00:36:26,358 --> 00:36:31,058 is she wanted more, and she needed more. 606 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:34,279 She told me that when she really felt that she'd made it 607 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:36,324 was when she published her first book, 608 00:36:36,368 --> 00:36:39,371 "How to Photograph the Female Figure." 609 00:36:39,414 --> 00:36:42,809 That book sold close to 200,000 copies. 610 00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:47,857 Writing was definitely one of her passions. 611 00:36:47,901 --> 00:36:50,947 She, I think, published like 20 books in her lifetime. 612 00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:54,995 From New York, "The Tonight Show," starring- 613 00:36:55,038 --> 00:36:58,390 She had an incredible drive to be respected 614 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,740 for how hard she worked and how good she was. 615 00:37:00,783 --> 00:37:02,263 A photographer, Bunny Yeager. 616 00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:03,960 We have a young lady with us 617 00:37:04,004 --> 00:37:05,484 who's made a reputation in this country 618 00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:08,443 as one of the fine photographers of gals. 619 00:37:09,836 --> 00:37:12,186 Would you welcome Miss Bunny Yeager? Bunny. 620 00:37:14,188 --> 00:37:16,059 But now you photograph yourself also, don't you? 621 00:37:16,103 --> 00:37:18,845 Oh yes, of course. Doesn't everyone? 622 00:37:18,888 --> 00:37:20,760 Not that I know of, I mean, 623 00:37:20,803 --> 00:37:22,152 how do you know that you have the expression that you want? 624 00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:23,850 Sometimes I use a mirror, 625 00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:25,330 I put a full length mirror right next to the camera 626 00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:27,114 and then I can see just what I want. 627 00:37:27,157 --> 00:37:29,247 Now that I'm more experienced, I don't need a mirror, 628 00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:31,118 I just know what I'm doing. 629 00:37:31,161 --> 00:37:32,685 You take mostly glamour photography, don't you? 630 00:37:32,728 --> 00:37:33,512 I mean, would that be the correct terminology? 631 00:37:33,555 --> 00:37:34,295 That's right. 632 00:37:36,602 --> 00:37:38,995 Facial expressions for glamour photography, 633 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,910 amused, laughing, grinning, giggling, 634 00:37:40,954 --> 00:37:43,304 playful, animated, contented, tranquil, charming, seductive, 635 00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:45,480 sensual, surprised, serene, coy, wanting, 636 00:37:45,524 --> 00:37:48,178 interested, calm, provocative teasing, awe-inspiring, 637 00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:50,572 modest, flirty, alluring, wistful. 638 00:37:50,616 --> 00:37:52,487 You mean a good model can do that? 639 00:37:52,531 --> 00:37:54,097 A good model has to do that. 640 00:37:54,141 --> 00:37:56,665 Anyone can smile, but how many people 641 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:57,840 can do those expressions? 642 00:37:57,884 --> 00:37:59,538 I really don't know. 643 00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:03,106 Bunny was always trying to look ahead 644 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:06,980 and see, you know, where culture was going. 645 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:10,549 And, of course, at that time 646 00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,159 with the Supreme Court ruling 647 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:14,944 about nudist films, everyone decided, 648 00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:17,120 I'm gonna do a nudist film. 649 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:19,775 โ™ช You come home 650 00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:22,212 People like Doris Wishman, 651 00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:24,737 she did, of course, "Nude on the Moon," 652 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:27,479 which Bunny helped cast some of the models for that. 653 00:38:36,662 --> 00:38:40,318 She loved being on film sets, she was an extra in many films 654 00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:42,581 just because she loved movies so much. 655 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,366 Will you take care of Mr. Norman? 656 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,150 Certainly, come on, Mr. Norman. 657 00:38:47,194 --> 00:38:48,630 Oh boy, how are you? 658 00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:50,676 And why don't you just call me Bunny? 659 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,894 Oh, I can. 660 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:58,336 My grandma took all of the white swimsuit photos 661 00:38:58,379 --> 00:39:00,338 of Ursula Andres on that set. 662 00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:02,949 They were used for the movie posters. 663 00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:08,346 Bunny worked on a lot of movies in Florida. 664 00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:11,218 She helped write script, she did casting, 665 00:39:11,261 --> 00:39:13,481 she did production, she did acting. 666 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:17,746 Tom was still working with another model, 667 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:21,402 and since we had time to spare, we paused to watch 668 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:25,798 this willowy blonde in a series of calendar poses. 669 00:39:31,717 --> 00:39:34,459 Bunny and her husband, they saw what was happening 670 00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:35,982 in the film business, 671 00:39:36,025 --> 00:39:37,636 that a lot of people were making money. 672 00:39:41,814 --> 00:39:44,904 So they decided they were gonna make some films. 673 00:39:44,947 --> 00:39:49,082 They made three films, "Orgy of Revenge," 674 00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:52,564 "Sextet," and "Room 11." 675 00:39:52,607 --> 00:39:56,481 These would've been x-rated films at that time, 676 00:39:56,524 --> 00:39:59,309 by today's standards probably R-rated films. 677 00:40:01,181 --> 00:40:04,358 Bunny and Bud did very well on the first movie, 678 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,491 but they had issues with their distributor, 679 00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:08,493 so they never really recouped the money 680 00:40:08,536 --> 00:40:10,930 from the second two films. 681 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,196 Well, my parents always talked about their work, 682 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,765 so I knew from the get go that they were doing this. 683 00:40:19,808 --> 00:40:22,594 Mom or dad actually asked me to draw the logo 684 00:40:22,637 --> 00:40:26,815 for one of the films, that was during my high school years. 685 00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:30,340 Certainly not something I wanted anybody to know about. 686 00:40:31,994 --> 00:40:36,042 I often wonder what it was like to be in Bunny's home 687 00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:38,044 in the 50s and 60s. 688 00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:43,266 She both brought her work home, 689 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:46,792 but also kept her home orbit, 690 00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:49,490 in a lot of ways, completely isolated. 691 00:40:53,929 --> 00:40:57,846 She wanted it all, she wanted to have this picture perfect 692 00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,718 vision of herself as a wife and mother. 693 00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:04,549 And she also wanted to have this really daring, 694 00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:07,639 you know, career that nobody could have plotted for her. 695 00:41:09,075 --> 00:41:10,903 She was always gonna be more cool than me. 696 00:41:10,946 --> 00:41:14,994 I remember when I was in seventh grade, she had this outfit 697 00:41:15,037 --> 00:41:17,387 where she had one of those little caps, 698 00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:21,522 brimmed caps that were popular at the time in the late 60s, 699 00:41:21,566 --> 00:41:23,916 a miniskirt, and go-go boots. 700 00:41:23,959 --> 00:41:26,396 Now, you can't compete with that. 701 00:41:30,836 --> 00:41:32,664 Definitely as an adult now, 702 00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:35,667 I can see that my life was very different than most people. 703 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:37,799 But you have to remember that everything I see 704 00:41:37,843 --> 00:41:39,540 is through a deaf lens. 705 00:41:39,584 --> 00:41:41,499 I think it's different because I was a deaf kid, 706 00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:43,501 not because of who my mom was. 707 00:41:48,157 --> 00:41:51,813 My dad was Arthur Irwin, he was known as Bud. 708 00:41:53,554 --> 00:41:56,688 He was a police officer, and eventually became a detective. 709 00:41:58,385 --> 00:42:01,040 He did that for many, many years before he left the job 710 00:42:01,083 --> 00:42:02,563 to work with my mother. 711 00:42:02,607 --> 00:42:04,478 I have to say that my parents didn't have 712 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,524 a lot of personal friends, 713 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:09,701 I feel like most of their friends were business associates. 714 00:42:09,744 --> 00:42:13,922 They were very much into each other. 715 00:42:13,966 --> 00:42:17,230 They were very close, they were each other's best friends. 716 00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:20,102 They were a big love story. 717 00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:24,150 Him and my mother 718 00:42:24,193 --> 00:42:26,152 always worked together, he eventually began helping her 719 00:42:26,195 --> 00:42:28,415 to get the equipment ready. 720 00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:32,158 He also served as protection for some of the models. 721 00:42:34,682 --> 00:42:36,945 A police detective cannot support 722 00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:39,121 his family in Miami Shores. 723 00:42:39,165 --> 00:42:41,254 That's not the kind of people that live in Miami Shores, 724 00:42:41,297 --> 00:42:43,996 so it was mom's photo money that allowed us 725 00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,041 to live in such a nice neighborhood. 726 00:42:47,782 --> 00:42:50,219 I mean, it took time, she was always having ideas of things. 727 00:42:50,263 --> 00:42:52,439 She was very devoted to her work, 728 00:42:52,482 --> 00:42:56,661 and sometimes that left me feeling kinda left out. 729 00:43:01,143 --> 00:43:03,972 As the 60s go on, and she's working 730 00:43:04,016 --> 00:43:06,975 with models who have grown up in a culture 731 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:09,456 that has a little bit more sexual liberation, 732 00:43:09,499 --> 00:43:11,850 there's a lot more daringness, 733 00:43:11,893 --> 00:43:15,244 a lot more untidiness, let's say. 734 00:43:16,463 --> 00:43:18,421 Instead of the Bouffant Beauties, 735 00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:20,554 who she worked with for a long time, 736 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,644 you get these long-haired hippies, 737 00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:27,474 these really just natural beauties. 738 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:32,653 Into the late 60s and the early 70s, 739 00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:36,048 when suddenly they wanted to see genitals, 740 00:43:36,091 --> 00:43:38,093 it was a huge bar. 741 00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:42,402 Women did not feel proud of their pussies. 742 00:43:42,445 --> 00:43:44,534 They didn't have any ego about that. 743 00:43:44,578 --> 00:43:46,885 That was a part they didn't want people to look at, 744 00:43:46,928 --> 00:43:48,887 and it was a huge barrier. 745 00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:51,454 And it meant a complete change in the kind of women 746 00:43:51,498 --> 00:43:53,152 who would take their clothes off. 747 00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:05,033 I think that nudity, it's really a cyclical phenomenon. 748 00:44:05,077 --> 00:44:09,211 I think it comes, it gets very liberal and extreme, 749 00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:11,387 and it goes back, reacts the other way. 750 00:44:11,431 --> 00:44:14,129 And it just seems to be a cycle in entertainment. 751 00:44:15,914 --> 00:44:19,744 Being a figure in Miami put Bunny 752 00:44:19,787 --> 00:44:24,879 in a really optimal position to get involved 753 00:44:26,228 --> 00:44:27,882 in the next wave of sexual expression. 754 00:44:32,147 --> 00:44:33,801 When you get into the 70s, 755 00:44:33,845 --> 00:44:37,152 suddenly artistry just wasn't important anymore. 756 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:40,634 Nobody cared about pinup in the 70s, 757 00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:42,723 it was kinda like that was old fashioned. 758 00:44:42,767 --> 00:44:45,726 Guccione, with Penthouse, introduced pubic hair. 759 00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:47,772 Playboy waited about a year, 760 00:44:47,815 --> 00:44:50,383 and then they came out with pubic hair. 761 00:44:57,825 --> 00:44:59,784 Then you got a guy named Larry Flint. 762 00:45:01,002 --> 00:45:03,918 He came out in 1976 with Hustler. 763 00:45:07,792 --> 00:45:10,316 This was another revolution. 764 00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:12,797 Was a market chef, Larry Flint 765 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,843 and his enterprises and Penthouse Magazine. 766 00:45:15,887 --> 00:45:19,412 All that was important was getting the genitals, 767 00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:21,675 get those genitals in your face. 768 00:45:24,025 --> 00:45:26,941 You know, that's just hardcore porn. 769 00:45:26,985 --> 00:45:30,031 You don't need a great photographer like Bunny to do that. 770 00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:33,861 Bunny did try somewhat to adapt to the new market, 771 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:37,604 but when they wouldn't accept her work, 772 00:45:37,647 --> 00:45:40,128 she wasn't willing to compromise. 773 00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:43,479 She was struggling to still try to do 774 00:45:43,523 --> 00:45:46,395 the same kind of milder photography 775 00:45:46,439 --> 00:45:48,571 that had made her success in the beginning 776 00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:50,182 without a real audience. 777 00:45:51,879 --> 00:45:55,622 As pinup gets overshadowed by porn, 778 00:45:55,665 --> 00:45:57,798 Bunny really starts to pull back. 779 00:45:57,842 --> 00:46:00,670 There was a period where mom couldn't cross that line, 780 00:46:00,714 --> 00:46:02,716 because the photos were getting so trashy 781 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,459 in the men's magazines, they were not at all respectful. 782 00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:08,896 Then in the late 60s and early 70s, 783 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:11,856 feminism was kind of born in that generation's incarnation. 784 00:46:11,899 --> 00:46:15,294 And it was extremely anti pornography and, 785 00:46:15,337 --> 00:46:17,165 by association, anti nudity. 786 00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:18,819 The marchers' aim was clear, 787 00:46:18,863 --> 00:46:20,821 let's kill the $4 billion industry 788 00:46:20,865 --> 00:46:23,911 that exploits females and female bodies, young and old. 789 00:46:23,955 --> 00:46:25,521 It has nothing to do with sex, 790 00:46:25,565 --> 00:46:28,307 with love, with erotica, it is violence. 791 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:33,007 And in most of the cases of rapists and child abusers 792 00:46:33,051 --> 00:46:35,705 who have been questioned, they have said very clearly 793 00:46:35,749 --> 00:46:37,446 that they were practicing 794 00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:40,319 what they had seen demonstrated in pornography. 795 00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:42,930 As I got older, 796 00:46:42,974 --> 00:46:46,020 I started to be more embarrassed about it. 797 00:46:46,064 --> 00:46:50,285 I didn't want my friends to know what mom did for a living. 798 00:46:56,509 --> 00:46:58,380 I remember the first time 799 00:46:58,424 --> 00:47:01,470 that I ever felt strange about it was when my sister, 800 00:47:01,514 --> 00:47:05,431 Cherilu, began to feel embarrassed about it. 801 00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:09,739 She came to me telling me how she felt it was wrong, 802 00:47:09,783 --> 00:47:12,046 what mom was doing and that it was dirty, 803 00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:13,787 and I didn't agree with that. 804 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,963 I feel like that should be something private, 805 00:47:16,007 --> 00:47:19,837 that kind of exposure, not just for anybody to see. 806 00:47:24,624 --> 00:47:26,321 The 70s were really tough for her. 807 00:47:28,628 --> 00:47:32,240 She had to come up with some alternative income. 808 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:38,681 A police officer approached her to do a job for him, 809 00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:42,555 and it was of a picture of a man and woman together. 810 00:47:42,598 --> 00:47:44,035 And that was the kind of picture 811 00:47:44,078 --> 00:47:46,472 that she hadn't done up to that point. 812 00:47:46,515 --> 00:47:50,389 In the mid 70s, Bunny Yeager was charged with obscenity 813 00:47:50,432 --> 00:47:53,479 for shooting sexual content. 814 00:47:56,395 --> 00:48:01,487 A woman, an outspoken, pushy, famous woman 815 00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:04,925 is the easiest target to bring down. 816 00:48:07,014 --> 00:48:09,451 It was a ridiculous charge. 817 00:48:09,495 --> 00:48:13,151 They believed that it was retribution for Bud's work 818 00:48:13,194 --> 00:48:14,543 with the police department, 819 00:48:14,587 --> 00:48:16,545 'cause he was in internal affairs. 820 00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:19,548 My mom said, "If I'm guilty, 821 00:48:19,592 --> 00:48:21,202 I will be going to jail for 15 years." 822 00:48:23,378 --> 00:48:27,426 Her lawyer went down to the courthouse lobby 823 00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:29,863 and picked up a men's magazine 824 00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:32,126 and brought it to the courtroom and said, 825 00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:34,955 "Look, this is what's for sale down in your lobby, 826 00:48:34,999 --> 00:48:38,437 and she's being charged with this same kind of thing." 827 00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,875 And so, the case was dismissed. 828 00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:01,329 I don't wanna speak for her family 829 00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:05,638 to the devastating consequences that had on them. 830 00:49:07,727 --> 00:49:10,338 I had come home for spring break. 831 00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:13,994 I was so excited to jump in the swimming pool at home, 832 00:49:14,038 --> 00:49:16,257 I missed it so much. 833 00:49:16,301 --> 00:49:18,607 And as soon as I got in, I looked and the pool 834 00:49:18,651 --> 00:49:22,568 was untaken care of, the water was green, it was disgusting. 835 00:49:22,611 --> 00:49:23,961 And I ran back in the house, 836 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:25,484 like, "What's wrong with the pool?" 837 00:49:25,527 --> 00:49:27,355 "I was looking so forward to swimming." 838 00:49:27,399 --> 00:49:28,487 They said, "We don't have the money 839 00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:30,576 to have the pool cleaned." 840 00:49:34,884 --> 00:49:38,236 There was some embarrassment over that arrest. 841 00:49:38,279 --> 00:49:42,675 My dad was becoming an alcoholic, he was depressed. 842 00:49:42,718 --> 00:49:46,070 Bud really blamed himself for Bunny being charged. 843 00:49:47,636 --> 00:49:49,464 It just sent him into some depression. 844 00:49:51,423 --> 00:49:54,774 Dad tried to take his life, he took pills. 845 00:49:56,123 --> 00:49:59,431 Mom found him and called for the ambulance. 846 00:49:59,474 --> 00:50:01,650 They pumped his stomach and he survived. 847 00:50:06,655 --> 00:50:08,092 My husband and I got married, 848 00:50:08,135 --> 00:50:11,051 and two weeks later I got a telegram. 849 00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:19,451 He took his life using a gun. 850 00:50:22,845 --> 00:50:26,284 He was in the front seat of one of the cars, 851 00:50:26,327 --> 00:50:29,156 and mom and Lisa found him the next morning. 852 00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:34,857 I had gotten up very early 853 00:50:34,901 --> 00:50:36,598 in the morning on a Saturday. 854 00:50:39,645 --> 00:50:41,342 And my mom was in the same clothes 855 00:50:41,386 --> 00:50:43,649 that she was wearing from the previous day. 856 00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:46,478 And I went over to mom, I'm like, "What's wrong?" 857 00:50:46,521 --> 00:50:47,957 "What are you doing here?" 858 00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:50,612 She's like, "I'm just sitting here, 859 00:50:50,656 --> 00:50:52,353 waiting for your father to come back." 860 00:50:55,965 --> 00:50:58,055 And I told her, "I'm gonna go ahead and take a shower, 861 00:50:58,098 --> 00:51:01,275 and get ready before I call 911." 862 00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:04,713 And when I came outta the shower, my mom said, 863 00:51:04,757 --> 00:51:08,065 "I found your father's body in his car." 864 00:51:12,286 --> 00:51:13,418 I was dumbfounded. 865 00:51:21,469 --> 00:51:24,472 Well, I mean, we were all just devastated. 866 00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:40,184 It was a very tough time, 867 00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:42,925 it really deeply wounded all of us that were left. 868 00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:51,934 When my kids were growing up, we moved to Ohio. 869 00:51:51,978 --> 00:51:53,849 I was kind of glad for the separation, 870 00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:56,983 because I didn't want the kids to love the photos. 871 00:51:58,376 --> 00:51:59,507 It was a really hard time 872 00:51:59,551 --> 00:52:01,118 economically in our household. 873 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,471 After Bunny pulls back from pinup photography, 874 00:52:06,514 --> 00:52:09,474 she starts to focus on other aspects of her work. 875 00:52:10,866 --> 00:52:14,522 She does a lot of headshot photographing, 876 00:52:14,566 --> 00:52:16,829 she does commercial photographing. 877 00:52:16,872 --> 00:52:21,181 She teaches classes, puts herself out there, 878 00:52:21,225 --> 00:52:23,749 taking bit parts in TV shows, 879 00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:26,230 does boudoir photography. 880 00:52:28,449 --> 00:52:31,278 She started performing, she had a singing act, 881 00:52:31,322 --> 00:52:32,975 a nightclub act. 882 00:52:33,019 --> 00:52:34,499 She had a beautiful voice, 883 00:52:34,542 --> 00:52:36,196 she could have done that as her profession. 884 00:52:37,502 --> 00:52:40,113 โ™ช Pack up all my care and whoa 885 00:52:40,157 --> 00:52:42,202 โ™ช Here I go swinging low 886 00:52:42,246 --> 00:52:46,815 She has a second act that's wildly different 887 00:52:46,859 --> 00:52:50,297 than her heyday as a photographer, 888 00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:53,387 and she scrambles to make a living. 889 00:52:53,431 --> 00:52:55,955 โ™ช Bye bye 890 00:52:55,998 --> 00:52:57,435 โ™ช Blackbird 891 00:52:57,478 --> 00:52:58,871 I had a hard time understanding mom, 892 00:52:58,914 --> 00:53:02,570 because she would do things 893 00:53:02,614 --> 00:53:06,748 that she was not qualified to do, so to speak, officially. 894 00:53:06,792 --> 00:53:09,273 Like, she wrote a diet book. 895 00:53:09,316 --> 00:53:11,579 Well, mom's not a dietician. 896 00:53:13,277 --> 00:53:15,714 Now, she did have a lot of experience dieting as a model. 897 00:53:21,241 --> 00:53:22,895 After my sister's wedding, 898 00:53:22,938 --> 00:53:25,724 mom and I lived alone for probably about a year, 899 00:53:25,767 --> 00:53:27,247 it was just the two of us. 900 00:53:28,901 --> 00:53:32,034 Unfortunately, me and my mom began to have a lot of conflict 901 00:53:32,078 --> 00:53:34,559 at that time, because this is when I had learned 902 00:53:34,602 --> 00:53:36,517 that so much of my life had been kept from me 903 00:53:36,561 --> 00:53:38,345 because they couldn't sign. 904 00:53:38,389 --> 00:53:40,260 And I was starting to feel very resentful at this time 905 00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:43,132 in my life, and I had met my first husband at this time, 906 00:53:43,176 --> 00:53:45,265 and we got married and left. 907 00:53:48,442 --> 00:53:53,317 Think about how hard it is to have been 908 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,494 somebody who's considered very elite, 909 00:53:56,537 --> 00:54:00,585 and become somebody who is really 910 00:54:00,628 --> 00:54:03,152 scrambling for economic crumbs. 911 00:54:14,425 --> 00:54:16,731 Then we kinda lost track of her, 912 00:54:16,775 --> 00:54:19,647 she took no pictures from 80s to 90s. 913 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:24,609 She was working in newspaper, graphic print design. 914 00:54:24,652 --> 00:54:28,352 She was selling different pieces to magazines 915 00:54:28,395 --> 00:54:31,093 for about 10 years, and then she stopped doing that. 916 00:54:33,922 --> 00:54:38,013 But there was no profit, the money was terrible. 917 00:54:40,581 --> 00:54:42,409 The office was completely closed. 918 00:54:42,453 --> 00:54:45,282 Everything from the office had been brought into our home, 919 00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:48,546 and our house just held everything all the time. 920 00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:52,637 There was a fire, and she lost a lot of her negatives. 921 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,030 She just felt so deflated. 922 00:54:55,074 --> 00:54:56,510 She didn't have a chance 923 00:54:56,554 --> 00:54:59,121 to get back up in a sense for herself. 924 00:55:01,646 --> 00:55:03,474 In the early 90s, most of the people that I knew 925 00:55:03,517 --> 00:55:08,087 that collected pinup art, they were fans of the Rocketeer. 926 00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,046 They knew about the Bettie Pages, and all these like obscure 927 00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:13,832 little zines where they could see pictures of Bettie. 928 00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:17,705 People rediscovered Bettie in the 1990s, 929 00:55:17,749 --> 00:55:22,841 Bettie became this icon of early female sexuality. 930 00:55:31,023 --> 00:55:32,372 To me, it was this kind of cipher 931 00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:34,983 where people projected things onto her, 932 00:55:35,027 --> 00:55:37,116 people thought she was a rebel. 933 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,032 People thought she was this SM goddess. 934 00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,818 A generation of 90s rockabilly girls 935 00:55:43,862 --> 00:55:45,994 thought she was the style icon. 936 00:55:47,387 --> 00:55:49,563 And the number of women I saw in the 90s 937 00:55:49,607 --> 00:55:54,133 with Bettie Page bangs, but like neck tattoos, is a lot. 938 00:55:55,656 --> 00:55:57,571 I think the young people are embracing, again, 939 00:55:57,615 --> 00:56:00,313 a kind of a retro cool from the latter 50s 940 00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:02,010 and the 60s and 70s. 941 00:56:02,054 --> 00:56:05,666 In that context, Bettie Page is truly iconic. 942 00:56:07,581 --> 00:56:10,932 Bunny really leans into trying to get involved 943 00:56:10,976 --> 00:56:14,283 in the culture that surrounds Bettie Page. 944 00:56:14,327 --> 00:56:15,415 And that's when she started trying 945 00:56:15,459 --> 00:56:17,678 to sell some work on eBay, 946 00:56:17,722 --> 00:56:19,593 lithoprints and that type of stuff. 947 00:56:21,813 --> 00:56:24,424 People who in the past, if they had wanted, you know, 948 00:56:24,468 --> 00:56:27,122 a signed lithograph of Bettie Page, 949 00:56:27,166 --> 00:56:29,560 would've had to write her with a self-addressed, 950 00:56:29,603 --> 00:56:34,695 stamped envelope, can now go on eBay and just buy it. 951 00:56:43,922 --> 00:56:46,925 After my mom did that work 952 00:56:46,968 --> 00:56:49,362 of Bettie Page, it seemed like they lost touch 953 00:56:49,406 --> 00:56:52,321 for a very, very long time. 954 00:56:52,365 --> 00:56:54,019 And that was when mom finally found out 955 00:56:54,062 --> 00:56:57,239 that she had been put into a psychiatric hospital, 956 00:56:57,283 --> 00:56:58,980 and was unable to be reached. 957 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:01,461 Well, hi there, Bettie. 958 00:57:02,984 --> 00:57:05,204 First, I want to- - Long time no see. 959 00:57:05,247 --> 00:57:07,119 When I've been interviewed, they always ask 960 00:57:07,162 --> 00:57:10,470 who I thought was the best model I ever worked with, 961 00:57:10,514 --> 00:57:13,995 and I've always had to answer Bettie Page because, you know, 962 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,998 you had a face that I believe was perfect in every way. 963 00:57:17,042 --> 00:57:18,609 And your body was the kind 964 00:57:18,652 --> 00:57:20,480 that looked natural when you were nude, 965 00:57:20,524 --> 00:57:22,134 instead of appearing naked. 966 00:57:23,614 --> 00:57:25,485 I think your biggest asset was your enthusiasm 967 00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:28,053 and your creative facial expressions 968 00:57:28,096 --> 00:57:30,838 that made you better than any other model. 969 00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:36,714 I think it was also, and because I liked posing. 970 00:57:37,541 --> 00:57:39,107 I liked the modeling. 971 00:57:39,151 --> 00:57:42,284 I can make in two hours more than I would make 972 00:57:42,328 --> 00:57:46,898 40 hours a week doing secretary work eight hours a day. 973 00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:51,990 It's very rare when you find an artist 974 00:57:52,033 --> 00:57:53,513 and you look at their work, 975 00:57:53,557 --> 00:57:57,169 and it literally defines an epoch and a time 976 00:57:57,212 --> 00:57:59,258 because they capture the form 977 00:57:59,301 --> 00:58:01,826 and the shape of that moment. 978 00:58:12,967 --> 00:58:17,537 She captured the essence of what the bikini 979 00:58:17,581 --> 00:58:19,104 and the girl go together. 980 00:58:22,586 --> 00:58:24,631 It's this major contribution to style 981 00:58:24,675 --> 00:58:27,025 and popular culture, the bikini, 982 00:58:27,068 --> 00:58:29,375 and nobody knows that it was Bunny. 983 00:58:33,988 --> 00:58:37,209 There's a famous photo of her that we've had in galleries 984 00:58:37,252 --> 00:58:40,734 that is her in a daisy bikini that she made 985 00:58:40,778 --> 00:58:44,346 by putting daisies together, fake daisies. 986 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:46,566 And so she had a similar swimsuit, 987 00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:49,917 not the iconic one, but made out of flowers. 988 00:58:49,961 --> 00:58:52,398 And when I was 14, she asked me, 989 00:58:52,441 --> 00:58:54,269 "Well, what do you think, Holly, would happen 990 00:58:54,313 --> 00:58:55,749 if you put this on?" 991 00:58:57,316 --> 00:59:00,232 And I was horrified, I looked at her and I said, 992 00:59:00,275 --> 00:59:01,842 "I think my mom would kill you, 993 00:59:01,886 --> 00:59:04,062 that's what I think would happen." 994 00:59:15,247 --> 00:59:17,379 One of the great things about the passage of time 995 00:59:17,423 --> 00:59:20,818 is that it will take the veneer of filth 996 00:59:20,861 --> 00:59:23,560 off of nude material and turn it into art. 997 00:59:39,619 --> 00:59:42,274 There were two main reasons that we decided 998 00:59:42,317 --> 00:59:46,539 to do Bunny Yeager's first ever institutional show 999 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:48,236 at the Andy Warhol Museum. 1000 00:59:49,803 --> 00:59:52,240 Seeing her work and thinking, of course, 1001 00:59:52,284 --> 00:59:55,113 about Cindy Sherman, and Yasumasa Morimura, 1002 00:59:55,156 --> 00:59:57,942 and many photographers who do self-portraiture, 1003 00:59:57,985 --> 01:00:00,422 utilizing disguise and masquerade. 1004 01:00:00,466 --> 01:00:03,730 I realized that Bunny had beat them to the punch 1005 01:00:03,774 --> 01:00:05,950 by at least 15 years. 1006 01:00:07,691 --> 01:00:10,650 I wanted to make sure that not only did I get to know more 1007 01:00:10,694 --> 01:00:13,087 about her work, her motivations, 1008 01:00:13,131 --> 01:00:17,004 but how she should be woven 1009 01:00:17,048 --> 01:00:19,398 into the narrative of art history, because I realized 1010 01:00:19,441 --> 01:00:22,053 pretty quickly that she deserved to be. 1011 01:00:24,838 --> 01:00:27,972 Many curators, and those in the museum profession 1012 01:00:28,015 --> 01:00:31,410 would not have viewed pinup photography as relevant 1013 01:00:31,453 --> 01:00:35,632 to the lineage of art history until quite recently. 1014 01:00:37,068 --> 01:00:38,765 Feminism in its first, second, and third waves 1015 01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:42,377 within the academy allowed that door 1016 01:00:42,421 --> 01:00:45,076 to open ever so gradually. 1017 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,732 But it took until 2010, when we did that exhibition, 1018 01:00:48,775 --> 01:00:50,734 for it to be fully open. 1019 01:00:52,779 --> 01:00:56,348 I'll never forget that one of the first conversations 1020 01:00:56,391 --> 01:00:59,351 we had, I told her, "We're so thrilled 1021 01:00:59,394 --> 01:01:01,658 to be showing your work at the Warhol Museum." 1022 01:01:01,701 --> 01:01:03,181 And she immediately said, 1023 01:01:03,224 --> 01:01:05,139 "How much are you going to sell them for?" 1024 01:01:06,837 --> 01:01:09,100 And I said, "Well, Bunny, we're actually not selling them." 1025 01:01:09,143 --> 01:01:11,624 And she said, "Well then why are we doing this?" 1026 01:01:13,234 --> 01:01:16,455 Well, I often tell the story about Diane Arbus. 1027 01:01:16,498 --> 01:01:20,589 She called Bunny the world's greatest pinup photographer. 1028 01:01:20,633 --> 01:01:24,419 She came to Miami intent on meeting Bunny and called her, 1029 01:01:24,463 --> 01:01:26,987 and Bunny said, "I've never heard of you," 1030 01:01:27,031 --> 01:01:29,163 and Bunny refused to meet her. 1031 01:01:29,207 --> 01:01:32,123 And this was the leading female photographer 1032 01:01:32,166 --> 01:01:33,907 on the New York scene at the time. 1033 01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:38,999 She didn't even really understand the significance of that. 1034 01:01:39,043 --> 01:01:41,393 I don't think she really thought so much about 1035 01:01:41,436 --> 01:01:43,612 whether she was making art or not. 1036 01:01:43,656 --> 01:01:48,139 Bunny really did self-portraits all the time. 1037 01:01:48,182 --> 01:01:51,708 She was fearless like that, it showed her courage. 1038 01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,102 And it's what first got me interested, I said, 1039 01:01:55,146 --> 01:01:58,018 "Oh, I wanna meet this lady who's taking pictures 1040 01:01:58,062 --> 01:02:00,020 that looks like this." 1041 01:02:00,064 --> 01:02:02,893 She gets a museum exhibition, 1042 01:02:02,936 --> 01:02:06,679 she gets picked up by an art gallery. 1043 01:02:07,985 --> 01:02:10,378 People start to look at her photographs 1044 01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:15,035 as part of the story of photographic history. 1045 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:16,645 I found out that a gallery 1046 01:02:16,689 --> 01:02:20,084 was trying to get her to show some of her work, 1047 01:02:20,127 --> 01:02:22,782 and we were just completely shocked by it. 1048 01:02:22,826 --> 01:02:24,915 I mean, not because we didn't think she deserved it, 1049 01:02:24,958 --> 01:02:27,439 she did, she was an amazing artist. 1050 01:02:27,482 --> 01:02:30,747 But they started to show an extreme interest in her. 1051 01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:32,313 And from there, it only spread. 1052 01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:34,707 The calls didn't stop coming from galleries. 1053 01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:44,499 And I remember going out one day 1054 01:02:44,543 --> 01:02:47,067 and there was just, the place was full of cars 1055 01:02:47,111 --> 01:02:49,678 Everybody was outside drinking and smoking, 1056 01:02:49,722 --> 01:02:51,593 it was like a party again. 1057 01:03:04,302 --> 01:03:05,825 Paz De La Huerta 1058 01:03:05,869 --> 01:03:07,305 always wanted to be photographed by Bunny. 1059 01:03:09,307 --> 01:03:12,876 Bunny photographed in our house, in El Portal, 1060 01:03:12,919 --> 01:03:15,835 literally blocks away from her house. 1061 01:03:20,057 --> 01:03:22,102 She was an accomplished photographer, 1062 01:03:22,146 --> 01:03:25,540 she was a successful photographer, but she was also a model. 1063 01:03:27,064 --> 01:03:28,848 When I photographed her in our studio, 1064 01:03:28,892 --> 01:03:31,372 Bunny went back to her modeling years. 1065 01:03:32,939 --> 01:03:35,333 There she was, having another chance at all the things 1066 01:03:35,376 --> 01:03:39,032 that she loved, it was like everything aligned for her. 1067 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,880 She still used a film camera till the day she died. 1068 01:04:10,672 --> 01:04:13,850 She told me that Hugh Hefner, he's such a gentleman. 1069 01:04:13,893 --> 01:04:17,027 And sure enough, when she passed away, he was a gentleman, 1070 01:04:17,070 --> 01:04:20,421 and he sent 1,000 red roses to her funeral. 1071 01:04:25,339 --> 01:04:26,863 My mother passed away, 1072 01:04:26,906 --> 01:04:29,300 and you can't imagine the amount of work 1073 01:04:29,343 --> 01:04:31,519 that she left behind. 1074 01:04:31,563 --> 01:04:36,307 I was Bunny's manager and agent for four years, 1075 01:04:37,525 --> 01:04:39,005 and she was one of my best friends. 1076 01:04:40,398 --> 01:04:42,966 Lisa would say I was probably the worst thing 1077 01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:44,881 that ever happened to her. 1078 01:04:44,924 --> 01:04:48,928 From the day I walked in this office, she did not like me, 1079 01:04:48,972 --> 01:04:52,976 and that never changed, she was totally consistent. 1080 01:04:53,019 --> 01:04:54,194 I felt like Ed 1081 01:04:54,238 --> 01:04:56,544 was taking anything he wanted. 1082 01:04:56,588 --> 01:04:59,547 He reorganized things in a way that made no sense to me. 1083 01:04:59,591 --> 01:05:02,333 It was all this work me and my mother had done 1084 01:05:02,376 --> 01:05:04,422 organizing these archives. 1085 01:05:04,465 --> 01:05:08,208 Five years worth of work was just destroyed. 1086 01:05:09,818 --> 01:05:11,429 The work was being duplicated, and just put out there 1087 01:05:11,472 --> 01:05:13,822 in ways that we had no control over. 1088 01:05:15,955 --> 01:05:17,304 My impression is that Ed 1089 01:05:17,348 --> 01:05:19,263 was a very good salesperson for mom. 1090 01:05:19,306 --> 01:05:22,483 I think he was one of the people that was encouraging her 1091 01:05:22,527 --> 01:05:25,182 to get her photos into the art galleries 1092 01:05:25,225 --> 01:05:27,445 and to do art shows. 1093 01:05:27,488 --> 01:05:31,275 Lisa was very, very protective of her mom, 1094 01:05:31,318 --> 01:05:35,061 not only as a daughter, but business wise. 1095 01:05:35,105 --> 01:05:37,150 I was so done with him, 1096 01:05:37,194 --> 01:05:40,153 and I decided to hire an attorney to get rid of him. 1097 01:05:41,894 --> 01:05:45,245 It was personally devastating for me, but I bounced back, 1098 01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:48,466 and at the end of the day, I think it was all for the best. 1099 01:05:51,121 --> 01:05:54,037 It was extremely overwhelming to be the only person 1100 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,778 responsible for the archives of my mother's work. 1101 01:05:58,302 --> 01:06:00,043 My sister just didn't care about it like I did. 1102 01:06:00,086 --> 01:06:01,609 She was always on the phone, 1103 01:06:01,653 --> 01:06:03,133 trying to find someone to get rid of it. 1104 01:06:03,176 --> 01:06:04,699 And I was on the phone, 1105 01:06:04,743 --> 01:06:06,266 trying to find someone to partner with me. 1106 01:06:06,310 --> 01:06:08,703 When I was in college, I saw "The Godfather," 1107 01:06:10,227 --> 01:06:13,578 and I thought about Michael Corleone, you know? 1108 01:06:13,621 --> 01:06:16,929 How he did not want to be part of the family business. 1109 01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:21,499 He so did not wanna be part of it, and it drew him in. 1110 01:06:21,542 --> 01:06:23,805 I have kind of felt like that. 1111 01:06:23,849 --> 01:06:27,026 I wish I could have embraced what my family was doing, 1112 01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:29,507 but I couldn't, and I still can't. 1113 01:06:31,074 --> 01:06:34,207 I don't think that the photos are respectful to women. 1114 01:06:35,948 --> 01:06:39,212 I understand completely what my mom's feelings are on this, 1115 01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:41,345 but I disagree with my mom. 1116 01:06:43,086 --> 01:06:46,176 My grandma is someone that I absolutely adored growing up, 1117 01:06:46,219 --> 01:06:49,048 someone who was good to me, someone who always made sure 1118 01:06:49,092 --> 01:06:50,571 that I was taken care of. 1119 01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:56,012 My sister and I decided 1120 01:06:56,055 --> 01:06:58,144 it was time for us to sell everything. 1121 01:06:58,188 --> 01:07:00,581 It's hard to say how I feel about it. 1122 01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:02,453 My sister was the one that really pushed me, 1123 01:07:02,496 --> 01:07:05,717 she didn't care about my mother's work the way that I do. 1124 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,067 It was just too painful to go on. 1125 01:07:10,330 --> 01:07:14,204 Everything was sold to Daniel and Sarahjane Blum, 1126 01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:19,513 and I think that they're continuing to sell the work. 1127 01:07:29,871 --> 01:07:34,920 Bunny worked so much that there is enough material here 1128 01:07:36,574 --> 01:07:39,533 that I could try and sell it myself for three lifetimes, 1129 01:07:39,577 --> 01:07:41,318 and still not get anywhere. 1130 01:07:44,103 --> 01:07:48,760 More than anything, I'm really still trying to figure out 1131 01:07:48,803 --> 01:07:51,980 the best way to talk about her and the best way to see her. 1132 01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:56,942 What do you think your mother's legacy is? 1133 01:08:07,387 --> 01:08:09,781 You know, I wish her legacy was different. 1134 01:08:09,824 --> 01:08:12,000 She changed how photos were shot. 1135 01:08:12,044 --> 01:08:14,829 She taught people how to take the first selfies. 1136 01:08:14,873 --> 01:08:16,266 I mean, this is the 21st century, 1137 01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:18,224 she was so far ahead of her time. 1138 01:08:18,268 --> 01:08:21,401 Bunny was really expert in creating mood 1139 01:08:21,445 --> 01:08:26,102 through the use of costume, wig, makeup to create ambiance. 1140 01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:28,843 That is the Instagram aesthetic. 1141 01:08:33,021 --> 01:08:36,721 Bunny promoted the idea that it's okay 1142 01:08:36,764 --> 01:08:39,811 for all of us to see and be seen. 1143 01:08:39,854 --> 01:08:42,857 That it is not just for the famous people 1144 01:08:42,901 --> 01:08:46,861 to be photographed as glamorous or beautiful or sexy. 1145 01:08:46,905 --> 01:08:50,691 She wasn't about the performative sexuality of a body, 1146 01:08:50,735 --> 01:08:52,824 she was about the sexiness of a body. 1147 01:08:52,867 --> 01:08:56,654 What you see today is as women 1148 01:08:56,697 --> 01:08:59,483 try to put themselves forward as sexual beings, 1149 01:08:59,526 --> 01:09:02,225 try to share that with the world, 1150 01:09:02,268 --> 01:09:05,315 they need to be their own Bunny Yeager. 1151 01:09:10,276 --> 01:09:12,409 I love this term, reluctant feminist, 1152 01:09:12,452 --> 01:09:14,976 because I kind of felt a little bit like, who are you to say 1153 01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:17,588 what's supposed to make someone feel powerful, 1154 01:09:17,631 --> 01:09:20,417 and what's supposed to make someone feel degraded? 1155 01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:23,811 'Cause it's like, you can never really agree on that. 1156 01:09:23,855 --> 01:09:26,510 One of the things that I think is even more taboo 1157 01:09:26,553 --> 01:09:29,339 than women's sexualities and women's bodies, 1158 01:09:29,382 --> 01:09:30,949 it's women's ambition. 1159 01:09:33,908 --> 01:09:37,085 She managed to take some of the most iconic photographs 1160 01:09:37,129 --> 01:09:40,959 of the time and frustratingly, 1161 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,440 most people don't know her name. 1162 01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:49,010 She didn't really get the credit she deserved. 1163 01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:53,276 I believe what my mother was doing 1164 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,887 was purely a beautiful art form. 1165 01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:58,542 It was always a form of art and beauty. 1166 01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:07,115 Bunny was unapologetically herself. 1167 01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:12,208 She didn't conform to any cultural ideas 1168 01:10:13,948 --> 01:10:17,300 of what a woman, a mother, a wife, should be at that time. 1169 01:10:21,391 --> 01:10:24,437 I want people to know that it is possible 1170 01:10:24,481 --> 01:10:27,484 to be revolutionary without realizing it. 1171 01:11:19,666 --> 01:11:22,060 When you look back on these pictures, 1172 01:11:22,103 --> 01:11:23,017 how do you feel about it? 1173 01:11:23,061 --> 01:11:24,845 Do you feel proud? 1174 01:11:24,889 --> 01:11:26,369 Yes, my grandchildren, I want them to see and say... 1175 01:11:26,412 --> 01:11:28,632 'Cause, I mean, they look at me, 1176 01:11:28,675 --> 01:11:30,590 and one looked at my hands one time and said, 1177 01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:32,853 "Oh gran, I don't wanna get old." 1178 01:11:32,897 --> 01:11:34,420 But I wanna show them pictures and say, 1179 01:11:34,464 --> 01:11:37,423 "Hey, gran was hot and she had a good time." 1180 01:12:13,459 --> 01:12:16,288 What were the Miami girls like? 1181 01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:19,465 They weren't bad, they weren't bad. 89890

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