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Faz, what's happening? My G, how are
you?
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Yeah, who's that?
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Oh, it's Idris.
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I'm good, man. I'm good. How are you?
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What's happening?
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You good?
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You been busy?
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Yeah.
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Look, last seven weeks, boy, this is
what we're messing with, yeah?
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All these cases.
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All these cases?
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Yeah.
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I'm about to go to the station to hand
these in.
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Oh my days.
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So, like, these are the typical rambles
that a lot of the people use.
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Yeah. Like, these cost like ten as they
just... Ten pounds.
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But we've got weapons that the tubes
just can't facilitate.
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Yeah. But look.
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You know what I mean?
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Oh my God. These are the kind of weapons
that we're trying to get banned.
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Knife crime is a heartbreaking problem
and in the past 10 years has almost
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doubled.
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I'm Idris Elba and a few years ago I
became involved in the fight against
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crime.
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In 2024 I invited a film crew to join me
as I try to get to the root of the
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problem.
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I want to meet people who have carried a
knife.
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Now I realise I was carrying a deadly
weapon. Back in the day, carrying was
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pretty normal.
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Wear your keys, wear your phone, wear
your knife.
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And get everyone talking about the
challenges ahead.
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So we can all push those in power to
take action.
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And find real solutions.
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It is the most rewarding job I've done
since being in the police.
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In 19 years.
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It definitely worked.
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There is hope. There's got to be ways
that this can be done. No issue is
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permanent. There's got to be a way out
of it.
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Because this is a problem that can
affect anyone.
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You don't have to be a bad child. You
don't have to be in a gang.
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You don't have to carry the knife to be
the victim of knife crime.
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If you've got a knife or you know
someone that's got a knife, tell them to
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themselves right now. Trust me, because
you're just going to stab your future if
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you go and stab someone else. You become
a murderer, you go to prison, you ain't
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got shit.
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For what? For some beef that lives
within your community.
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You need to see past that.
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We have to say something about it.
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Five years ago, I had this rant.
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I just felt quite overwhelmed and angry.
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It's just a constant flux of young
people murdering each other.
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Knife crime happens every day, but that
particular day was just very, you know,
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it was really painful for me. I felt the
need and the urge to speak up.
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So the last five years, my focus has
been on campaigning to raise awareness
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push for solutions.
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But to be effective, we need to
understand why some people were choosing
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carry a knife in the first place.
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How old were you when you started
carrying a knife?
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I think I was 12.
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In a park in Coventry, I got 20 people
running off on me, carrying all
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sorts of things.
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And one of them swung an axe.
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And then ever since then, I didn't step
outside without a knife.
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Well, you're scared after that, ain't
you?
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You're going to be.
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You got jumped.
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So... You're going to want to protect
yourself some way, innit?
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And that was the only way I could think
of.
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But I don't do that no more.
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That's old me.
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It still is quite normal for where I'm
from to see someone carrying a blade on
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them.
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I nearly got two pulled out on me this
week.
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Police are appealing for information
after the fatal stabbing of 16 -year
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Harry Pittman, who'd gone with a group
of friends to see the New Year's Eve
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fireworks from Primrose Hill.
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He was killed as hundreds of people
gathered at the popular spot.
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We often assume all sorts of things
about those who get involved in knife
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But is there a type?
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Taylor. Hi, mate.
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Lovely to meet you.
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Nice to meet you, Taylor. How are you?
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How's your family?
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We're getting there.
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This is his memorial.
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It's really nice to come and sit here
and just, like, be with him.
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Yeah. It feels like he's here.
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You could spot Harry a mile off. He had
bright orange hair.
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He's younger, by the way. Yeah.
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Harry at school.
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He was at college. He was studying law.
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He wanted to do something in that sort
of field.
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Yeah. He's a very clever, very clever
boy. He's a smart boy.
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Yeah. That's heartbreaking.
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You know, I would be in bits all the
time. I have my days. I do have my days.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure of that.
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But was it just a beef? Was it a fight?
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All we know is there was some sort of
altercation, and within that
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Harry was stabbed and killed. Yeah.
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The boy, same age as my brother. Really?
16 -year -old.
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I hate to say it, but people think it's
a race thing.
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Exactly. That was the first thing that
came out when Harry was killed. I bet it
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was a black person. I bet it was a black
person. And it wasn't.
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It was another white boy.
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So it can literally be anyone and happen
to anyone.
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There is such a general perception about
this whole thing.
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That knife crime just affects black and
brown communities.
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And it's just so disheartening because
it's like, no one really cares to really
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understand it.
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And the truth is that the majority of
people that are involved in knife crime
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are white.
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There's also a perception that knife
crime just happens in big cities.
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Knife crime impacts lives across the UK.
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The areas with the highest rate of
increase are Avon and Somerset,
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and Sussex.
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But the worst affected area over the
past two years is the West Midlands.
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Two 12 -year -old boys have been found
guilty of murdering a man with a machete
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in a park in Wolverhampton.
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The pair, who can't be named because of
their age, are thought to be the
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youngest boys to have committed a knife
-related murder in the UK.
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It's in suburban neighbourhoods that
some of the most horrific attacks have
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taken place.
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Nice to meet you. I'm Damien. Idris,
thanks for meeting me. Yeah, no problem.
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I've been sort of campaigning against
knife crime for about five years. What's
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been happening is I've just been
learning that I don't know enough.
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Yeah. And in this area, it's quite
significant. Something happened here,
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Yeah, we had a 19 -year -old lad, Sean
C. Sahai, sitting over on that bench
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there. And then two other lads, 12 years
old, approached him and they were
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carrying a machete.
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Ah, 12 -year -old. Yeah.
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I mean... They've had a row.
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Next thing you know,
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Sean's lying, you know, not 15 metres
from where we are now.
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Massive stab wounds to the back of his
skull, a burr in his skull, stab wounds
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all down his back, and he's dead.
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What was the nature of the fight?
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We don't know.
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We've never found anything or there's
nothing been said to suggest that there,
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you know, in any way this is, like,
postcode or gang -related, but, you
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the reality is the two defendants have
gone out with a knife. You carry that
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knife and it's in play.
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There's the knife after we'd recovered
it. Wow.
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That's the machete? That's the machete.
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I mean, look at that thing.
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Yep.
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My son's ten.
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Yep. You know, so this is, like, right
under my nose. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, yeah. When you see, you know, 12
-year -olds... Yep. ..that must be
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unusual. When we learnt the identity of
the two lads involved, there was a bit
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of a collective pause where everyone was
like...
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It feels like something's different
here. You know, you're crossing the
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a bit. But at the same time, it was more
the grim reality of where we're at
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rather than complete surprise.
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How does this community sort of get past
that? How do we not see it happen
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again? Knife crime will not be stopped
by police officers alone. Yeah.
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That will never happen.
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I started the year thinking about how
easy it is for people to buy knives and
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how accessible they are.
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Morning, we're on something Idris Elba
is talking about today. The act of
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starting a campaign to speed up changes
to law. We'll join victims' families
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outside Parliament later to launch a new
campaign.
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Calling for an immediate ban on zombie
-style knives and machetes.
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At the top of this year...
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Usually, everyone's got a New Year's
resolution, got some new vigour. Let's
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that new vigour and let's apply it to
eradicating knife crime.
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The campaign really landed and made as
much noise as possible to the point
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where, you know, the government at the
time pledged to change a loophole in the
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law about zombie knives.
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It's the first step.
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with a ban on zombie -style knives and
machetes.
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But it doesn't fix the problem because
there are so many knives and swords that
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are still legal to own and sell.
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It's complicated because we all have
knives in the kitchen.
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But maybe the answer is simple.
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Introduce ironclad restrictions on the
sale of all dangerous knives that aren't
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used for cooking.
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Six men have been sentenced to life in
prison for the murder of a teenager in
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South East London.
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Just 17 years old when he was stabbed to
death in Betts Park in Bromley in 2017.
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When I lost my brother, I was 15 at the
time when that happened.
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You'd never been faced with that
situation before. You don't actually
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to say.
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To put it quite simply, I had many
different offers involved in retaliation
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around what happened with my brother.
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You've got to remember...
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You're looking at it from the outside
and you live in a completely different
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world to the world that these young
people are living in. Even with me and
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situation, I could have became a
habitual knife carrier.
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A lot of young people, if they come from
certain areas within the UK, before
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they reach the age of 14, witness some
form of stabbing.
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That's how...
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A lot of young people grew up seeing it
happen.
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That's how I grew up, seeing it happen.
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We have to take knives off the streets,
but we have to also go further than
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that.
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This problem of knife crime.
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It's a real indication of how much we
have failed young people, how much
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the society that that kid is brought up
into.
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has allowed this to happen.
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And it hasn't safeguarded them enough.
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Mate, what are you doing?
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Get back.
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Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
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Oh, shit.
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These images are being fed to, like,
young people.
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It's going, you know, in their social
media.
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And it's being fed through their
algorithms.
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And, I mean, when you watch this stuff,
it is crazy what you're seeing.
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And for me, all this does is just really
perpetuate more fear.
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You see that, you go, well, I haven't
got a shank, I haven't got a knife, I
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might need one.
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And it glorifies it.
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It might even be pushing kids towards,
you know, some sort of like arms race
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where they want to get bigger and more
scarier knives.
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For young people's minds that are
developing, acting out of fear and high
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anxiety, they result to knife -carrying
that's almost glamorised in certain
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spaces.
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Answer me. I work with 11 to 25 -year
-olds who have been stabbed.
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So my background, growing up in a loving
family, but I would say slightly
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dysfunctional. No father was involved,
so, you know, mum was mum and dad.
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Mum was incarcerated at a period of
time. Mum experienced domestic violence.
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We went into foster care.
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Did you ever carry a knife?
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That was the standard.
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Carrying was pretty normal.
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Pretty normal.
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Wear your keys, wear your phone, wear
your knife. And you look at the timeline
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of all these contributing factors, to
me, in the end, got involved in a gang
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-related murder, where I stabbed someone
who subsequently died.
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I was incarcerated age 18 and spent 16
years in custody.
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I've been to Feltham Young Offenders
Institute a number of times.
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I've been there as a resident, as an
inmate.
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I've also been there to deliver
workshops as well.
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So, yeah, Feltham, I know really well.
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The mission statement on prison walls
talks about, in capital letters,
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rehabilitation.
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But, you know, a victim's family would
want to see you sometimes die, you know,
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capital punishment, or see you rot in
prison.
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There's definitely like a whole...
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sector of people that just believe that
people should just be sent to jail.
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That's it.
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You know, that's the only deterrent.
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And if there is tougher sentencing,
there'll be less knife crime.
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For sure.
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I can understand where people are just
like, that's what we've got jails for,
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send them to jail.
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I've been given access to Feltham, the
most violent prison in the UK.
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If there was no law, we'd be at each
other's throats.
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It's just human nature.
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So it is important to have deterrence.
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What I want to try and understand,
direct from the young people that are in
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prison for knife -related crime, is
where it all went wrong.
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Trying to really understand what that
fork in the road was.
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Because, obviously, the threat of prison
hasn't deterred them.
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Thank you.
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Come on in.
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Nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet you,
man. Thanks for meeting me.
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Do you mind me asking how long you've
been in?
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Oh!
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Two and a bit months.
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Why are you in?
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For a stabbing. Stabbing? Yeah, GVH.
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How old are you?
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I'm 17. 17?
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Yeah.
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When was the first time you held a
knife?
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So,
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what I'm trying to understand here is,
like, ten years ago you were seven.
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What was life like for you then?
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Family life pretty... No, family life is
messy, to be honest with you.
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And my dad used to have mad anger. She
used to go making no money, coming home,
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taking it out and whatever.
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Right. How was school life for you?
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No, school life was shit.
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I was so old.
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I was so old, like, I started getting
mega bullied. I used to get really bad
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dandruff, and people used to, like, take
the piss, say, like, has it been
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snowing and that, cos, obviously, I had
it on the back of my blazer. Yeah.
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And then I used to just look around and
I used to think, like, the only people
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that ain't getting bullied...
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..is the people, but in a certain way.
So I sort of felt the need to become
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person, do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But then, obviously, I stopped going to
school quite a lot.
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Did you get excluded from school? Yeah,
like four or five times.
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Really? Yeah.
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And then when you picked up a knife...
Yeah. ..just thinking around the time...
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When I had a knife, I felt like I could
do anything and I felt like I was a god,
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do you know what I mean? Nobody can
touch me. It makes you the bad man in
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situation, do you get it?
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But then push comes to shove and you end
up using it.
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All of a sudden, do you know what I
mean? The stuff becomes real.
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I have a really good relationship with a
lot of boys. I think they can genuinely
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see what I want to help them to change.
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But you need to get it when they're
young now.
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Get to them young? What does that
actually look like? Because that's one
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things I'm trying to understand.
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Speaking to the boys, it's as soon as
they're disengaged with any school.
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The boys are telling us that's where you
start losing them.
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This is our feeling.
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Who's there? Who's there? Who's there?
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Who's there? Who's there? Who's there?
Who's there? Who's there?
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Who's there?
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Three months this time.
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Unfortunately, I've been in five
different prisons before my 18th
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Wow. Yeah.
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For anyone that has an experience with
knife crime, the end goal is to not have
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to be in those situations anymore.
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Unfortunately, life's not that easy for
many people.
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Yeah.
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What was your school life like?
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I got kicked out when I was 15.
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And you got kicked out, excluded, yeah?
Yeah.
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Was that the time when you got your own
knife at that time? Yeah, literally.
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It's more about protecting the public
than about rehabilitating
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these people. But on the other hand,
you're not protecting the public because
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these people will come out on you.
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Yeah, almost worse sometimes because of
what the energy like is here, breeding
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it. Yeah, violence beats violence.
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For people coming into prison, this is
the last part of the journey.
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There's lots and lots of systems and
processes that fail them in society.
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And by the time they get here, it's very
costly for the public. It's costly in
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terms of victims.
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And it's costly in terms of how we
rehabilitate from this point onwards
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it costs so much per prison place.
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for each individual.
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That was very hard to swallow.
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Like, you know, finding hope in a place
like that is hard.
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It's difficult because, you know, by the
time they're here...
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They'd been cast away from society.
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I just had this overwhelming feeling
that somewhere along the line, if
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someone had intervened earlier, these
prisons would be emptier. You have this
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sort of like, you know, take my belt off
and beat them.
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They won't do it again. That's not the
way it works.
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That was definitely interesting.
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Two teenagers convicted of murdering a
16 -year -old boy in a case of mistaken
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identity have been sentenced to more
than 16 years in prison.
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Ronan Kanda, who had just finished his
GCSEs, was walking to a friend's house
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Wolverhampton when he was attacked from
behind by the two teenagers wielding a
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sword and a large machete.
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Ronan was mistaken identity.
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The intended target lives bottom of our
street.
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Ronan wasn't doing anything to anyone.
He was just walking home.
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This perpetrator, he took my child life.
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Thinking is his intended target.
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When we were shown the ninja sword that
went through my child's heart,
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I fainted on the day when I saw it.
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Because I'm looking at him.
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It's nice pictures of him.
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Yeah.
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And that's my last Mother's Day.
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With my son.
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That is your typical Ronan, that is.
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He was a joker.
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I was a mum, like, I'd get up in the
morning.
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The first thing I used to do is dive
into Ronan's room, hug him, kiss him.
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Ronan was like still my younger baby, my
baby he was.
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And I would lie here and say, push,
don't move up.
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And he was like, Mom.
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And I said, no, no, let me just have a
quick cuddle.
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And then I'll just have a quick cuddle
with him and go after that.
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Doing what I needed to do.
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And this side is empty now.
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I get in this bed, but this side is
empty.
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Try making sense of that to me.
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It's just... The perpetrators,
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what they did was that they could have
been stopped many times.
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Everyone failed.
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including police, education system,
there are other perpetrators, families,
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parents.
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So all these failures are the reason my
son is not on this side of the bed.
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I'm not able to hug him.
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And these failures will continue if they
are not highlighted.
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If they're not being told that you
messed up big time,
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you failed in your duties.
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The perpetrator, an intended target,
started their fight in the
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school.
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It all starts at school.
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for that age group.
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He was an angry young man. The school
was quite aware of it.
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I was like, he's an angry man.
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You hold on to him. He needed help.
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If somebody's troubled, you don't leave
them out on the road to go and do
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whatever you want because you don't want
that problem on you.
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This is a moment where we could sort of
red flag and say, here's an opportunity
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to course correct.
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This moment of exclusion is not a moment
for us to say, let's just forget this
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kid, but it's actually a moment where we
can say, let's help this child out.
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This is the time to help that child.
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Look, school exclusion sometimes
means...
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Keeping pupils safe.
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I get it.
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But we're not understanding young people
in a school place.
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We're not approaching it from a trauma
-informed lens.
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Maybe they experienced a bit of domestic
violence here in the household.
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Maybe they were troubled at the bus stop
today and it's acting out in the class.
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So it sounds really cliche, but I...
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I wanted to join the police to help
people and catch burglars and robbers.
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When I was younger, my dad was in the
police.
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I've been in the police 19 years. A
majority of that has been frontline
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policing.
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When you're frontline policing, on
response, you turn up with your lights
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the incident that you're dealing with
and you do stick a plaster on it. You
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don't get to find out.
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why these problems are happening.
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A lot of the young people we work with
have had a rough time.
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There's been something in their lives
that has been a trigger or a trauma that
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has led them to the path that they're
on.
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When they're excluded, there is no
reason to get up in the mornings.
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There is no... ..no diversion out of
life for
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them. You know, it's...
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What are they going to do with their
time?
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They'll go and hang around with older
people or people in the same position as
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them and they're going to fill their
time probably not positively.
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I run an organisation taking weapons
from people in the community and then
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disposing of them.
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What's this?
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There were two times in my life where I
was personally affected by knife crime.
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I was 19 years old when I got stabbed
the first time.
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And the second time I got stabbed three
years after.
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And I was stabbed nine times on both
occasions.
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First it was like disbelief.
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Then it went from disbelief to almost
why.
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And then stuck in that process there,
the anger came up.
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But I never, ever was tempted to carry a
knife.
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I just didn't see longevity in revenge.
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You know, how is that going to affect
other people around me? My mother, my
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children, you know?
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That's what I've kind of used as a
driving force to build my organisation.
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And that's why I can almost call it like
a relentless fight against knife
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crimes. Every time I do something for
knife crimes, I feel like I'm kind of
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getting back at my personal situation.
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If I can find a way for these young
people...
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To look at me as a person to get rid of
weapons and that'd be amazing. Do you
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know I mean?
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Okay, so what we're gonna do is we'll
examine them we just want to make sure
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that none of the other things we have
interest in copier a Young person finds
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hard to walk into a police station and
drop a knife off, you know Managed to
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pick up five thousand weapons over
thousands of people
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No one's ever been arrested.
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No one's ever gone into trouble.
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No one's ever been hurt in a collection.
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What Faz is doing is important.
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But I'd like the government to make it
harder for young people to buy knives in
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the first place.
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MPs are debating justice.
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extending a ban on zombie knives and
machetes to include a ban on ninja
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Many will be quite frankly shocked that
such weapons are not banned already.
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This is the issue of ninja swords, and
the reason why straight swords are more
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difficult to ban is because, of course,
some of them are held by military
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historians for commemorative purposes.
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It felt like there was an attachment to
swords.
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which may have some sort of traditional
heritage thing. I just couldn't
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understand it, quite frankly.
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We are live in Downing Street as Rishi
Sunak calls a general election.
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Now is the moment for Britain to choose
its future.
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At a point where the country will vote a
new leader, you've got to be
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intentional in what you do.
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If I can influence a government or any
leader to kind of heal, Can you please
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pay attention?
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Then I'm going to do that.
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Hello. Hi.
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Good morning.
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How are you? Good to see you. I'm very
well. Hi, everyone. How are you doing?
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Thank you.
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How have you been?
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Do you know the families we've got
around the town? Yeah, I've met most of
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yeah.
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All of them have got experiences that
they need to share and things that can
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done. Can I ask you a question? Yeah.
You can say, shut up and just... We're
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00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,240
going to pay for it.
472
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:21,860
It's a lot of money. How are we going to
pay for it? Well, the way we've said to
473
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:22,860
pay for it at the moment is...
474
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:26,950
to get very long on tax status and crack
down on terms of wages. We can make a
475
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:27,950
pot of money on it.
476
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:31,870
Right. As you turn this corner, you're
on camera soon to turn left.
477
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:33,510
Thank you. Thank you.
478
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:35,790
Hey. Hello.
479
00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:37,590
Hi, guys. How are you?
480
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:40,810
How are you? You OK? Good to see you.
481
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:45,570
We can't keep on meeting families and
having a version of the same
482
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:47,390
We've got to change the system.
483
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:49,150
That's really important. That's the
spirit of it.
484
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:54,050
This doesn't stop. We're going to keep
going and we have to hold the
485
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:55,970
whatever government it is, accountable.
486
00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:03,490
I feel like a bit of a prop, a bit of an
imposter.
487
00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:07,390
Out of everyone on that table...
488
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:10,960
I stand out. Why are you here, Idris?
489
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:17,240
You know, you make films. Why are you
here? I'm an amplification device.
490
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:26,960
It's all very well wanting to stop knife
crime. The big question is, what can
491
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,880
the government do to make a difference
for the teenagers that are impacted?
492
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,160
One possible solution is at hospital, in
emergency care.
493
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,820
The Royal London Hospital has pioneered
a programme after seeing young patients
494
00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:54,120
leaving with no support and returning to
the same dangerous behaviour.
495
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:02,720
For some young people, the only
difference between a victim and a
496
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,320
who won the fight that day.
497
00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:25,730
The idea is to intervene at a point
where the young person is vulnerable,
498
00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:30,890
injured, and open to the possibility of
things changing.
499
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:40,590
Shamir. How are you, man? You all right,
yeah? Nice to meet you, man. Thanks for
500
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:42,910
taking the time to see me. Pleasure,
pleasure, man.
501
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:47,570
What you're doing, it's an intervention,
right? This is a system that works
502
00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:49,910
right at the moment of crisis here.
503
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,479
Reachable moment.
504
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,120
It's a reachable moment. OK. Yeah.
505
00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:58,640
Our intervention kind of offers support
and essentially going on the journey
506
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,260
with that young person, we're not trying
to remove knives from young people's
507
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:04,120
possessions, we're trying to move it
from their heart.
508
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,200
A lot of young people think they've got
nothing to live for. It's not worth it.
509
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,700
And it's about instilling that value to
say, bro, like, you've got so much
510
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:14,700
potential. We've worked with young
people, Idris, and said, how are you
511
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,720
He said, no -one's ever asked me that.
512
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:19,400
No -one's ever asked them, how are you?
513
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:25,010
how are you so for me it's basics man
like basics especially for growing up in
514
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:28,550
dysfunctional family so nurturing is
very important it's really important
515
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:32,650
here is a program we're now working a
multi -agency approach that gets our
516
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:37,190
people safer but then hopefully go on to
live prosperous lives and in that i
517
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:43,450
feel like there needs to be a much
deeper understanding of why yeah first
518
00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:46,070
foremost right yeah why is this
happening poverty
519
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,560
is number one at the forefront of
violence within the UK.
520
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,400
Whether that goes down the throats of
people or not, it's the reality.
521
00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:14,020
Yeah, we've got a case at the moment.
It's a young adult that was stabbed
522
00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:15,020
multiple times.
523
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:18,020
in the East London Borough.
524
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,480
Quite a complex case.
525
00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:28,000
Quite a lot of childhood traumas. We'll
try to identify services to ensure that,
526
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,920
you know, he has that ongoing support.
527
00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:36,680
We've supported education, getting them
back into mainstream school.
528
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,480
Mental health support, support around
employment.
529
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:42,960
Some young people don't have ID.
530
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,980
We've got them ID.
531
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:49,690
Sounds very trivial, but ID opens up the
door and that was ยฃ35 that they don't
532
00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:54,210
have. So the opportunity to operate with
them in the community starts to build
533
00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:56,190
trust. And they're like, oh, you're
really in my life.
534
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:21,450
It is an incredible intervention, but
doesn't change the fact that someone is
535
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:22,730
already seriously injured.
536
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:26,750
Are there ways to intervene earlier?
537
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:30,350
Okay, what happens before the stabbing?
538
00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:35,230
And can we do that guidance from that
junction before there's an incident?
539
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:43,690
It's like having those things pop up in
the back of your garden.
540
00:40:44,580 --> 00:40:49,500
If you decide to just chop it and chop
it and chop it every time you see it
541
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,740
again, then what do you think is going
to keep happening? You're going to have
542
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:53,740
to keep chopping it.
543
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,260
If you take it out by the root nine
times out of ten, it's not going to grow
544
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:58,260
back again.
545
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:08,540
Because of my youth work, I got into the
world of horses and I feel like it
546
00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:10,980
helped me level myself.
547
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:15,170
The environment I come from, There's a
lot of violence.
548
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:23,890
What was so astonishing about it for me
was if I can communicate with such a big
549
00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:28,870
animal that can actually cause me a lot
of damage if it wants to, and the fact
550
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:34,590
that I'm not having to be forceful or
violent with it, it's like, hold on a
551
00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:39,910
minute, why should I need to be violent
in any other form of communicating with
552
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:40,910
other people?
553
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:43,150
You just follow me?
554
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,300
So, like, people at home watching this
documentary will be like, wait, how are
555
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:55,238
we here?
556
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,820
Obviously, people definitely don't
expect this at all. I mean, it's not
557
00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:01,940
to see a South Londoner just chilling
around horses in a yard.
558
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:07,360
So, let me ask you, like, how's your
upbringing lead you to where you are
559
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,640
I had, like, a mentor for over ten
years.
560
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:18,480
My mentor, he's provided to me by a
youth service I used to go to on a
561
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,680
basis. There was a lot of lessons and
advice that was given to me by that
562
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,840
individual. He's known me since I was
like... ..11, 12.
563
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:33,270
What was it like at 12 having a mentor?
564
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:36,990
It was strange at first, but then it's
like, when you start having
565
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:39,450
conversations, you start to see it
completely differently.
566
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:42,970
Yeah. Because then you start to realise,
wait, there's other people in the world
567
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:47,690
that actually care about who I am as an
individual and actually want to see me
568
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:51,050
do something positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean? And it's like, if
569
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:53,690
you're in an environment where all
you're being role -modelled and taught
570
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:57,070
wrong, then if that's what you know,
that's what you're going to do, do you
571
00:42:57,070 --> 00:42:58,270
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
572
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,280
I don't know much about what happened to
your brother.
573
00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:08,280
My eldest brother, he was out and about
one evening, bumped into a certain group
574
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,280
of individuals.
575
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:15,300
It's believed that they had a bit of a
dispute and it ended with him being
576
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:16,138
knifed to death.
577
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:21,760
Your mentor had a lot to do with helping
you not basically go for revenge or
578
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,560
anything like that. No, 100%, 100%.
These are the reasons why I'm sitting in
579
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,580
jail right now. That's the best way to
put it.
580
00:43:28,029 --> 00:43:32,450
obviously helped me at the time,
understanding that you doing what you
581
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:33,830
going to do ain't bringing nobody back.
582
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:38,150
If I didn't have a role model like him,
my life would look very different.
583
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:47,510
Jamal, you know, he's a lovely kid, and
this step intervention has really
584
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:51,770
changed the life around him. You could
see it in his soul, you can see it when
585
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:52,770
you meet him.
586
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,640
So that's a really good example of
mentorship gone right and done really
587
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,820
The more people I can get talking about
this, the more likely change will
588
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:12,820
happen.
589
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,280
Banging the pot and making noise works.
590
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,960
Someone's got to take advantage of a
soapbox.
591
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,360
Someone's got to take advantage of the
reach.
592
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:24,930
And I have those.
593
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:32,410
About to head into the palace to see the
king.
594
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:39,150
I'm always sort of thankful for him
setting up the Prince's Trust,
595
00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:44,130
Like, it's changed lives. It changed
mine. It gave me an opportunity.
596
00:44:47,490 --> 00:44:52,170
They gave me a grant when I was 16 to go
to the National Youth Music Theatre and
597
00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:53,170
study.
598
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:57,770
Thinking back there, I was filling out
the form and thinking, this is stupid,
599
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:59,290
he's not going to choose me.
600
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:06,650
I came home from school, my mum said,
she's got a letter.
601
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:14,830
It was a white envelope, handwritten,
Idris Elba Esquire, and it had the Royal
602
00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:15,830
Seal on it.
603
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:23,070
I was like, no way, opening it up. And
in the letter was a cheque.
604
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:29,600
If I hadn't gotten the Prince's Trust, I
wouldn't have had that experience
605
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,760
because we couldn't afford to go.
606
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,520
And it definitely put me on the right
map, you know, on the right trajectory.
607
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:48,120
The king is going to actually come and
greet you at the car.
608
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,040
What? Yeah.
609
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:53,240
They're going to open the door and he's
going to be there, which is why we
610
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,240
cannot be late.
611
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,198
Are you serious?
612
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,200
Yeah.
613
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:57,780
Any sign?
614
00:45:58,780 --> 00:45:59,840
There's a lot of traffic.
615
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,540
Are you going to brief me about the
door, sir? Yes, I'm waiting for you to
616
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:05,540
arrive.
617
00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:20,960
It's been such a
618
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,370
difficult... nut to crack, hasn't it?
619
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:26,950
Yeah, it really is. The campaigning
continues. I'm so thankful they have
620
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:32,310
ear. I've always believed that as an
adolescent, what you really need is
621
00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:34,690
channeling into something constructive.
622
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:42,470
It's my honour, I think, to have young
people at the table, OK, having their
623
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:43,890
voice a part of this.
624
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:49,130
It seems to be the great ambition now
should be to be able to go into, you
625
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:51,110
to try and dig people out from all the
most...
626
00:46:51,450 --> 00:46:52,670
the hardest areas to reach.
627
00:46:54,630 --> 00:47:00,490
It's really interesting just being
around, you know, that sort of level of
628
00:47:00,490 --> 00:47:04,790
exposure. And I didn't realize that we'd
be sitting next to the king and people
629
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:08,890
from the community discussing it. I
didn't think that would happen.
630
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:15,530
You know, if every newspaper tomorrow
says, oh, that there was a moment where
631
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:18,910
the king and young people and Idris all
sat around the table.
632
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,060
That's what we need to see.
633
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:25,580
The media have a massive role to play in
this because they've got the loudest
634
00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:26,740
soapbox amongst us all.
635
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,640
And I'm just like... I'm very hopeful
right now.
636
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,080
This government has been elected to
deliver nothing less than national
637
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:51,380
With a new government in power, They've
invited people who know the reality of
638
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:54,560
knife crime to meet every two months to
influence policy.
639
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,440
Actor Idris Elba is in Downing Street
today. He's taking part in the Knife
640
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,440
Summit.
641
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,500
It's rare to actually be here at the
beginning of it, of this documentary.
642
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200
We didn't know this was going to happen,
so here we are.
643
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,760
Got my notes.
644
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:20,530
I'm going to speak for three minutes. I
don't know what I'm going to say, but
645
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:21,670
I'm just going to say it from the heart.
646
00:48:22,810 --> 00:48:28,030
I find it amazing that people who've
been through experiences the like of
647
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:31,850
some people around this table have been
through are able to come forward. You
648
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:35,730
have to be brutally frank with us today
and every time we meet.
649
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,750
Five, six years ago, I started to speak
up and say something.
650
00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:44,350
Five years later, six years later,
though, unfortunately, we're still
651
00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:51,690
You know, talk is good, but action is
more important. We need joined -up
652
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:56,570
thinking. And there are all kinds of
people here today, from organisations,
653
00:48:56,950 --> 00:49:02,890
charities, victims, youth services,
health services, police, education, Home
654
00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:07,210
Secretary, because everyone here has
something to offer this.
655
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:10,530
And let's hold ourselves to talk.
656
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,200
My name is Pooja Kanda. I'm here today
to tell you about my beautiful son from
657
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,040
then. Rona didn't stand a chance.
658
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:23,540
He tried to run for the house which was
only two doors away.
659
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:27,420
He didn't reach his house and he dropped
there on the road.
660
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,720
I finally believe that I've been hurt.
661
00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:44,050
And that's good. That's good that I was
there and was able to express myself.
662
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:47,970
And I hope the government listens.
663
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:56,810
To the House of Commons, where Labour's
first budget for 14 years will be
664
00:49:56,810 --> 00:49:58,790
delivered by the Chancellor, Rachel
Reeve.
665
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:03,830
As Reeve is expected to say, her
priority is to invest, invest, invest.
666
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:19,620
The interventions that I've been
learning about, the hospitals, the
667
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:20,740
community, they all cost money.
668
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,800
The government says the budget's tight.
669
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,720
We get it. But it's not just about
asking for more funding. It's about what
670
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:30,820
do with the money there is.
671
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:43,540
Fame, knives, end lives, knives, get you
sent to prison, everybody carrying a
672
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:49,350
knife. knows that everybody involved in
the fight knows that so we all need to
673
00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:56,090
do our best to identify who's at risk
help them with showing them that there
674
00:50:56,090 --> 00:51:02,950
other options available carrying a knife
by itself
675
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:09,950
is i mean kind of is suicidal i
676
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:12,110
guess it was just the environment i grew
up in
677
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,760
My mum had custody of me and I got
kicked out of there for the stuff I used
678
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,760
be involved in.
679
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:24,360
Moved into my nan's, got kicked out
there because of the stuff I was
680
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,360
in.
681
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:32,320
My school, I got kicked out there and
then I was out of school for a year.
682
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,280
I have autism and ADHD.
683
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:41,720
I didn't know that, so it makes it hard
to speak.
684
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:44,370
21.
685
00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:55,170
In Coventry, the police are piloting a
new approach that seems to have
686
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:57,810
potential. It's called SERV.
687
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:02,770
SERV is the Community Initiative to
Reduce Violence.
688
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:09,190
They're seeking out teenagers they
suspect are on a path that leads to
689
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:11,210
crime. Then they step in.
690
00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:16,430
before a stabbing is committed, build a
relationship and suggest opportunities
691
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:18,290
that connect with that teenager.
692
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:27,310
This programme, it is the most rewarding
job I've done since I've been in the
693
00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:28,670
police in 19 years.
694
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:34,450
Children or young people who carry
knives, I can honestly say it's a way of
695
00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:38,810
that the majority of them don't want to
be in, but they're so stuck they don't
696
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:39,810
know how to get out.
697
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:47,570
So it's kind of guiding them out,
mentoring them out. We work with
698
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:48,570
career opportunities.
699
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:53,050
It's about finding something that they
enjoy and showing them what they can
700
00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:57,530
achieve. It's a consistent adult figure
in their life to guide them and lead
701
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:58,530
them onto a different path.
702
00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:00,130
It definitely works.
703
00:53:05,090 --> 00:53:09,470
Jayden was referred into the programme
after concerns that he might have been
704
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:10,470
involved in gangs.
705
00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:12,150
carrying knives, et cetera.
706
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:20,450
He was a hard nut to crack initially,
very quiet, as are
707
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:21,850
most of them initially.
708
00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:27,570
So it was just finding a way of breaking
down barriers and kind of just forming
709
00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:31,710
a bit of a relationship and a trusting
kind of bond between the two of us.
710
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:37,410
How are you?
711
00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:40,390
I'm good, you?
712
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:42,030
I'm all right. I can't complain.
713
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:48,870
I know that you've been working with
Laura and the CERB team for a little
714
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:53,650
and I'm just curious. I just wanted to
hear how you found it and, you know, how
715
00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:54,650
you're getting on with it.
716
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:55,730
Yeah.
717
00:53:57,530 --> 00:54:02,630
Well, when I first joined the CERB
programme, I had no confidence in
718
00:54:02,970 --> 00:54:05,930
And, like, well, she helped me out a
lot.
719
00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:08,490
Yeah, it's helped me a lot.
720
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:09,730
It's helped me a lot.
721
00:54:10,259 --> 00:54:11,580
You don't carry a knife?
722
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,420
No, I used to. I used to carry a knife,
and I used to be scared.
723
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:20,980
Some people, they say they feel naked
without it. I felt naked without it.
724
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,280
You've got to make that change.
725
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,720
And it's hard to. It's proper hard to.
I'm still struggling now, but... I'm
726
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:31,558
finding my way.
727
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,920
I'm finding my way, innit?
728
00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:35,480
I heard you was an Arsenal fan as well.
729
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,920
Me?
730
00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:38,470
He's staring.
731
00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:39,670
What?
732
00:54:40,850 --> 00:54:43,890
Now you're chatting. Now you're
chatting. Now you're chatting, Laura.
733
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:46,050
Come on. You set me up.
734
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:49,050
What team?
735
00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:50,970
Villa. Villa? Yeah.
736
00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:52,590
He's my great -grandad.
737
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:54,610
All my life, I've loved football.
738
00:54:55,110 --> 00:54:56,670
I'm joining the academy soon as well.
739
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:58,169
That's amazing.
740
00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:00,670
How does that? Do you get in contact
with the academy?
741
00:55:01,110 --> 00:55:05,970
Yeah, I just sent an email and just said
who we are, what the programme is
742
00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:10,330
about. The programme's giving you ways
to figure out how to get past the bad
743
00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:12,050
days, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, loads.
744
00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:17,930
And then, I guess, like, what you're
doing with your sports, that's almost
745
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:19,810
another anchor, isn't it? Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
746
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:24,010
Anything that's good for me, she'll make
sure it happens.
747
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:29,210
But you're already talking about the
opportunities the academy might give him
748
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:32,130
terms of qualifications, and one of them
could be a coaching qualification.
749
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:35,770
And he'd already said the other week,
didn't you? Yeah, I'd love to coach.
750
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:36,990
I'd love to be a coach.
751
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:39,090
That seems like a really hopeful step.
752
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:42,790
Mate, nice meeting you, man. Thanks for
your time, yeah?
753
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:44,910
Me off, Laura.
754
00:55:45,210 --> 00:55:48,130
Thank you. Thank you very much. Really
nice meeting you. Thank you.
755
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:06,300
What was great is coming here and seeing
a version of hope with the Serve
756
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:07,300
program.
757
00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:13,120
You know, the Serve program actually
really ticks a lot of the boxes that
758
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,120
been talking about.
759
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,800
And then with stories like Jaden, you're
kind of saying to yourself, all right,
760
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:20,600
is there a version that happens
nationwide?
761
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,020
Is there a version that can be done at a
much, much larger scale?
762
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:30,180
That is going to be a massive logistical
conundrum.
763
00:56:31,070 --> 00:56:36,250
but it is so worth it when you watch a
kid like that who a year ago is
764
00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:42,050
struggling, who's, you know, he's just
this far away from going back to his old
765
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:45,470
roots, and then he's got this program
that can help him, right?
766
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:52,750
And that's... I guess, you know, when
people watch this film,
767
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:57,170
so what's the point of it? What's the
point? Well, this is the point, that
768
00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:59,670
is hope. There's got to be ways that
this can be done.
769
00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:04,920
You know, no issue is permanent. There's
got to be a way out of it.
770
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:13,360
This is too dangerous to be not speak
about it. It could happen to another
771
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,940
child. We just need to get it right.
772
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,400
What I want people to understand is that
it takes a village to raise a child.
773
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:29,740
What's happening with young people is
they are burning down that village.
774
00:57:30,110 --> 00:57:33,810
because they're not feeling the embrace
of that place. And I'm inviting you to
775
00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:38,510
be part of this village and play into it
and invest in our young people.
776
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:41,650
There's a bigger picture that needs
looking at.
777
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:45,810
Everybody deserves a chance at the end
of the day, and it is about that chance.
778
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:48,550
It's a no -brainer to me, to be honest.
779
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:51,450
I value life a lot more now.
780
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:55,650
There's some beauty in the world for me.
781
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:58,430
That wasn't there before.
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