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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,140 My name is Paul Derry, or at least it used to be. 2 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,720 I was given a new name when I entered Witness Protection. 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,120 Truth is, I'm on a Hell's Angels hit list. 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,920 Many people want me dead. 5 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:24,640 I've never shown my face on camera before. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,560 But I'm done running. I'm done hiding. 7 00:00:29,180 --> 00:00:31,320 And now I'm going to tell my story. 8 00:00:56,620 --> 00:00:57,620 I was a criminal. 9 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,160 A successful criminal. 10 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:05,680 I had aspired to be at the top of the criminal world my entire childhood and 11 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,720 adult life. 12 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,060 So most of the people I knew were high -level drug dealers or killers. 13 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:18,560 I was well known as a drug dealer, arms dealer. 14 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:19,900 Nine millimeter. 15 00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:21,860 Standard police issue. 16 00:01:23,710 --> 00:01:26,270 And known for my skills at making money. 17 00:01:28,330 --> 00:01:35,170 Now I have a different view and a different moral compass than I had back 18 00:01:35,170 --> 00:01:36,170 then. 19 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:52,880 I was always looking for new drug networks. 20 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,740 I realized that the biggest payday was going to come through working with the 21 00:01:57,740 --> 00:01:58,740 Hells Angels. 22 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:03,580 People like to believe that they're just good old boys, they ride motorcycles. 23 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,940 They're not. They traffic in women, drugs, extortion. 24 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,500 Up at the top of the organized crime world, they are deadly. 25 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,760 I knew there was a clubhouse in Halifax that would be a great place to try to 26 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,760 get into. 27 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,620 They brought in all the drugs. They supplied the drug trade. 28 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,640 It was the best place for me personally to make money. 29 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,520 One of the connections I tried to hang out with was Wayne James. 30 00:02:35,900 --> 00:02:40,100 Wayne was definitely my end to the Hells Angels. 31 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:45,820 We had already become very good friends. 32 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:49,240 He was in with the Hells Angels. 33 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:53,980 He was their enforcer, and he moved a lot of drugs for them, a lot of cocaine. 34 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,260 The whole territory was controlled from the private club. You had to be buzzed 35 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:03,300 to get in, and we referred to it as the office. 36 00:03:03,860 --> 00:03:08,260 The first time I went there, Wayne coached me before we got there. 37 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:13,530 He said, listen, if you want to come out of here alive, Do as I tell you. 38 00:03:25,450 --> 00:03:30,550 Wayne wanted me to meet his boss so that we could do business together. 39 00:03:34,010 --> 00:03:40,370 His name was Nasty Neil Smith, a full -patch member of the Hells Angels. 40 00:03:42,130 --> 00:03:44,030 Wayne had done a lot of dirty work for Neil. 41 00:03:48,310 --> 00:03:49,310 Neil! 42 00:03:50,830 --> 00:03:52,230 This is the guy I was telling you about. 43 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:55,810 This is Paul. 44 00:03:56,010 --> 00:03:58,530 Wayne said, Neil, this is Paul. Paul, this is Neil. 45 00:03:58,810 --> 00:04:00,210 Wayne had told him about me. 46 00:04:00,610 --> 00:04:01,610 He's got the connection. 47 00:04:01,730 --> 00:04:04,390 I had made many connections within the drug trade. 48 00:04:04,590 --> 00:04:05,730 I was a moneymaker. 49 00:04:06,590 --> 00:04:07,890 I had the perfect resume. 50 00:04:09,170 --> 00:04:10,430 Neil looked like a snake. 51 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,100 It was known to be very dangerous. 52 00:04:17,380 --> 00:04:21,579 At this point, nobody knew that I had a secret that I had to keep in. 53 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:25,340 It was a secret that would get me killed. 54 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:31,620 I was a rat, a confidential informant for the police. 55 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,100 I was a... 56 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,840 working as a police agent and as a criminal. So I was playing both sides of 57 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:41,840 fence. 58 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,040 My goal was to take these guys down and there was going to be a payout and I was 59 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,180 going to ride off into the sunset. 60 00:04:48,620 --> 00:04:49,620 But it was dangerous. 61 00:04:50,140 --> 00:04:53,640 If Wayne and Neil found out I was riding, if I was lucky, they would just 62 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:54,640 bullet in my head. 63 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:56,860 Maybe I'd have my tongue removed. 64 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:03,360 But then he said, OK, we'll be in touch. 65 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,620 We shook hands, and that was it. That was the beginning of our connection. 66 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,280 Wayne was vouching for me, so now I was in with Neil. 67 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:22,200 I took great pride in the fact that I was able to manipulate people. 68 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,980 That was the type of person I was. 69 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:27,300 It's a good dream. 70 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:31,840 I used everybody I met. 71 00:05:40,390 --> 00:05:41,550 So, here's the deal. 72 00:05:42,090 --> 00:05:44,730 This guy here, that's Wayne James, my partner. 73 00:05:45,330 --> 00:05:48,010 Criminal informants are crucial to solving crime. 74 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:52,190 If all you ever used was altar boys, all you'd ever catch is priests. 75 00:05:53,870 --> 00:05:57,630 Being an informant gave me the best of both worlds. I mean, picking up 76 00:05:57,630 --> 00:06:03,250 information, I was able to sell it to the police, all while making money in 77 00:06:03,250 --> 00:06:04,250 crime world as well. 78 00:06:06,270 --> 00:06:08,970 I was not doing it for no civic duty, ever. 79 00:06:10,190 --> 00:06:15,290 I did not become an informant to be a good, upstanding citizen. 80 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:18,450 I informed because of the reward. 81 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:21,130 The money was great. The police pay well. 82 00:06:21,410 --> 00:06:23,670 The bigger the job, the more money you can make. 83 00:06:24,010 --> 00:06:29,450 If I could take down a Hells Angel Club, I knew that they would be a multi 84 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:30,610 -million dollar takedown. 85 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:36,430 I wanted to get the Hells Angels chapter in Halifax and shut it down. 86 00:06:39,980 --> 00:06:41,980 And then I could retire and get out of it forever. 87 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:51,520 Now Wayne and I were working together for Neil, basically as employees. 88 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,700 The main thrust for us was cocaine trafficking. 89 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,780 We had apartments and stash houses all over the city. 90 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:06,500 Business was booming. 91 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,860 We're distributing cocaine on an industrial scale, making hundreds of 92 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:13,860 every month. 93 00:07:15,020 --> 00:07:19,140 If I wasn't great at being a criminal, I would be no good as an informant. 94 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Throughout the entire time we were doing business, I was always gathering intel, 95 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:25,580 names and connections. 96 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:35,540 When we would cook up the crack, we would have Wayne's nephew, Dino, keeping 97 00:07:35,540 --> 00:07:36,540 guard for it. 98 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,380 Dino was a loose cannon. He was young and wanting to stomp people's heads. 99 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,620 He loved to fight. He loved blood. He was excited by blood. 100 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,680 Taking these guys down was always at the forefront of my mind. 101 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,460 But I had no idea somebody was going to end up dead. 102 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,300 One day we went to the office to do business as usual. 103 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,080 When we got there, Wayne and Neil started talking. 104 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,140 There was a guy named Sean Simmons, and there was a rumor going around that he 105 00:08:29,140 --> 00:08:33,000 had slept with the mistress of the current president of the Hells Angels. 106 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,299 You don't touch anything that belongs to the president of the Hells Angels, but 107 00:08:38,299 --> 00:08:41,240 to sleep with his mistress, it is a cardinal sin. 108 00:08:43,420 --> 00:08:48,740 Neil says, whack him, and motioned his finger across his throat as he says 109 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,020 And then the conversation was over. 110 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:02,520 Wayne turned to me and said, he wants him whacked. 111 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:10,240 It's an unwritten rule and very understood in the criminal world that if 112 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,820 want to join the Hells Angels, 113 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,320 and you were told to kill and you didn't, you would die. 114 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:20,980 I was kind of in shock. 115 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,480 I now know I'm going to be intimately involved in this murder. 116 00:09:29,180 --> 00:09:30,800 It's too late to tell the police. 117 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Wayne said, let's go. Away we went. 118 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,840 I was thinking, am I going to be the one that gets asked to shoot him? There's a 119 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,080 million thoughts going through my head. 120 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,840 I was nervous. 121 00:09:45,220 --> 00:09:46,940 My heart was beating out of my chest. 122 00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:53,060 I thought, wow, we're on our way to a murder. How can I stop this? 123 00:10:16,940 --> 00:10:19,940 It's not just a drug operation now. Now it's a Hell's Angel murder. 124 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:27,460 It was intense in that car. You cut the tension with a knife. It was an insane, 125 00:10:27,580 --> 00:10:29,060 insane feeling. 126 00:10:34,180 --> 00:10:36,280 I couldn't believe we were going to just go kill someone. 127 00:10:38,060 --> 00:10:39,520 But what could I do? 128 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,480 We pulled up to the apartment. 129 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:54,140 This guy comes out. 130 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,060 I didn't know what was happening. 131 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Wayne turned around and handed the gun to Dino in the back seat. 132 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,960 He was getting a chance to prove himself. 133 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,700 The guy came up to the passenger door, and Wayne took out a man. 134 00:11:18,990 --> 00:11:23,330 Dino was getting out of the back at the same time, and then the two of them 135 00:11:23,330 --> 00:11:24,330 walked off. 136 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:30,110 I'm watching those guys walking towards the door. 137 00:11:31,010 --> 00:11:34,690 I thought, they're going to check it out. They're not going to do it. Maybe 138 00:11:34,690 --> 00:11:36,690 they'll do something, lay a beating on them. 139 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:43,910 I felt sick. 140 00:11:48,010 --> 00:11:48,890 Next thing I know, we 141 00:11:48,890 --> 00:11:56,170 heard... 142 00:11:56,170 --> 00:12:01,350 Go. Go, go, go. Go! 143 00:12:01,710 --> 00:12:02,790 Go! What are you doing? Go! 144 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:14,230 Dana had blood all over him. 145 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:17,450 Wayne kept saying, is he dead, is he dead, is he dead? 146 00:12:17,870 --> 00:12:20,550 And Dino said, yes, his head split open like a watermelon. 147 00:12:22,070 --> 00:12:24,630 I was getting a little nervous that he was still too pumped up. 148 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:27,590 I didn't know what was next. I didn't know what was planned. 149 00:12:34,690 --> 00:12:36,790 We got to the stash house. Dino went in. 150 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:43,850 Then Wayne leaned in the car and said, take the gun. 151 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:47,100 Go to the Halifax Bridge and throw it in the harbor. 152 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:48,640 I said, you bet. 153 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,900 To say that I didn't feel fear would be stupid. 154 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,240 But I chose to get on with the job and get done what I had to so I could live. 155 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:09,000 Everything started hitting me. 156 00:13:09,820 --> 00:13:12,300 I'd been focused the whole time on the goal. 157 00:13:12,730 --> 00:13:15,310 playing this game of informant and criminal. 158 00:13:15,970 --> 00:13:19,170 And then all of a sudden this wasn't a game anymore. 159 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:22,210 Now I need even a murder. 160 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:24,490 There was no way I could go to the cop. 161 00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:26,150 I drove them to the murder. 162 00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:27,870 I had no alibis. 163 00:13:28,690 --> 00:13:30,830 How can I get out of this mess? 164 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:38,290 I felt completely lost and hopeless. 165 00:13:39,530 --> 00:13:45,880 That was the first time I asked myself, am I a good guy or am I a bad guy? I 166 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,040 really didn't know. 167 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:50,860 I didn't know which side I actually belonged on. 168 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:55,220 Self -preservation kicked in. 169 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,740 I drove to a place out near the Atlantic Ocean. 170 00:14:05,620 --> 00:14:07,540 I was starting to think a little more clearly. 171 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,120 I was thinking, how am I going to protect myself from the police? 172 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,560 I knew that the murder weapon is key, and if I'm the only one that knows where 173 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,160 the murder weapon is, then I'm the one in the best position. 174 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,000 I decided to disobey Wayne. 175 00:14:28,980 --> 00:14:32,320 I thought, it's going to be much better if I go bury this gun. 176 00:14:37,220 --> 00:14:38,780 Better in my hand than in the harbor. 177 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,080 I dug down a little bit with my hands, and I buried the gun as deep as I could 178 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,540 next to some sand dunes. 179 00:15:00,380 --> 00:15:07,180 The phone rang as soon as I got in the car. 180 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:08,300 I was waiting. 181 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,260 He had been calling, and he said, what's taking you so long? 182 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:15,960 He was already suspicious. 183 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:18,600 You could sense it as he was talking. 184 00:15:19,140 --> 00:15:25,900 I was in a lot of danger at that point. Not only was I taking too 185 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:29,540 long, but I had completely gone against what he had told me to do. 186 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,660 Maybe I'm going to get whacked. I'm a witness now. 187 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,200 I considered just leaving, taking off. 188 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,560 In the end, I ended up heading back to town. 189 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,000 I came home to find my house had been raided by the police. 190 00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:04,040 There was a warrant out for my arrest for the murder. 191 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:09,640 I knew I was screwed. I just didn't know how badly I was screwed. 192 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:14,380 I decided that it was best to turn myself in. 193 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:19,560 I knew I had the evidence. 194 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:21,500 I'm here to turn myself in. 195 00:16:22,180 --> 00:16:23,700 Just wasn't sure I was going to play out. 196 00:16:28,590 --> 00:16:30,110 Was I looking at a life sentence? 197 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:54,150 I came to detectives. 198 00:16:57,580 --> 00:17:00,120 I was going to go in, shut my mouth until I knew what they had. 199 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:25,500 As I was laying in the cell thinking about the murder, it was like a punch to 200 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:26,500 the head. 201 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:36,300 i had always treated my life as a game but it's starting to hit me that a man 202 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:43,160 was dead sean had a wife and two 203 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,200 kids somebody just lost their father 204 00:18:01,290 --> 00:18:04,050 All of a sudden my eyes opened and seeing it from a different perspective. 205 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:10,730 It's like two lives came together in that cell. 206 00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:16,070 So it's like this lie I was living on both sides came. 207 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:17,910 This just wasn't a game. 208 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:20,870 I realized the death of Sean meant something. 209 00:18:23,370 --> 00:18:28,750 I even cried out at one point to God and said, you know, get me out of this 210 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:29,750 mess. 211 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:31,370 I'll quit this life for good. 212 00:18:36,930 --> 00:18:43,550 That night in the cell was step one to me changing my life. It was the 213 00:18:43,550 --> 00:18:49,370 of a journey that I was about to take that I did not believe I would ever be 214 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,560 The next morning, they took me to an interrogation room. 215 00:19:15,940 --> 00:19:18,400 In the door comes this tall cop. 216 00:19:20,060 --> 00:19:23,240 He said, I'm Shane Halliday. I'm with the Homicide Unit. 217 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,940 And he said, I know you know what happened. 218 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,920 Halliday told me there had been some witnesses that may have seen me in the 219 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,140 area, and I had a really bad feeling. 220 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:40,000 At that point, I'm... 221 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:42,700 convinced I'm looking at a life sentence. 222 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:51,840 He said very clearly if I gave him everything about the murder, then he 223 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,540 work on getting me immunity from prosecution. 224 00:19:57,780 --> 00:20:02,760 So I told him, well, I have the murder weapon for sure. I know all the players. 225 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:10,140 All right. Help me fill in the blanks with these guys. 226 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,540 I gave him the full story and gave him statements, and that's when I gave him 227 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:20,400 everybody's names, everybody's part, and was completely truthful. 228 00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:29,160 But Holliday said, Paul, look, you're going to have to do more than 229 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,520 just give us the information. 230 00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:32,860 We need something to back up the evidence. 231 00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:38,280 You got to get confessions out of each one of these guys. 232 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,280 He just said, look. 233 00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:42,090 You're going to have to wear a wire? 234 00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:50,090 I had been an informant for years, but I knew it was going to be dangerous. 235 00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:52,470 It's scary wearing a wire. 236 00:20:56,210 --> 00:21:00,390 I'd rather face getting a gun to my head than have to wear a wire. 237 00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:04,590 You can be a little nervous. It's fine. I've never lost a confidential 238 00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:06,290 informant. We're not going to start with you. 239 00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:12,340 Have a seat. Let's go through this. I'll work it out with you. He reassured me 240 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:15,220 that I would get a new life and witness protection with a new name. 241 00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:16,820 You help us get what we need. 242 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:18,860 You walk out of here. 243 00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:21,480 So I had no choice. 244 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:23,740 I had to do it. 245 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,100 Okay. 246 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:29,760 I had to take all of them down. 247 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,900 Thanks for doing the right thing. 248 00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:33,940 I'll walk you out. 249 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,520 It's not the Taj Mahal, but it's secure. 250 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:46,640 So after that, they took me up to the safe house. 251 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,900 Halliday told me whenever we had to meet, we would meet there. 252 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,240 This is Paul. 253 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:57,220 This is my team. They would wire me up, and I would leave for meets from there. 254 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:01,780 Halliday says, listen, all the information has to be corroborated by 255 00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:02,780 wire. 256 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,800 And then he tells me the first confession we're going to try to get is 257 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,800 Dino. 258 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,210 Halliday explains to me, He's out at the correctional center. 259 00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:14,770 He's been arrested, done a drug charge, nothing to do with the murder. 260 00:22:15,170 --> 00:22:17,390 He says, you're going to have to meet him in there. 261 00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:24,190 I want you to go in the prison, and I want you to get as much detail from him 262 00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:26,950 you can, if you can get him talking and get him talking. 263 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:38,230 I said to Holiday, how the hell am I going to get 264 00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:39,149 in? 265 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:40,190 Are you kidding me, man? 266 00:22:40,510 --> 00:22:45,530 I never get past security with a tape recorder in my jacket. 267 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:51,070 Holiday said, it's okay, we've got a guy at the front desk. 268 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:52,570 We'll get you through. 269 00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:55,950 I didn't think the odds were very good. 270 00:22:58,330 --> 00:23:00,170 But I focused on what I was going to do. 271 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,720 When he pulled the car up into the parking lot of the correctional center, 272 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,700 even more nervous because people were coming in and out of their visits. 273 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:19,580 And I'm pulling up with a known homicide cop. So I was a bit of a wreck. 274 00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:30,340 The entire time I was walking, I could feel this thing tapping my side. 275 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,340 All I could think of was somebody can see this bulky old tape recorder in this 276 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:47,240 jacket. I wonder if Dino's going to see it. 277 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,400 If Dino let somebody know that I was an informant, for sure it would have got me 278 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,400 killed. 279 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:16,640 My legs were actually shaken. 280 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,480 Going into a jail full of convicts, if anybody found out I was wearing a wire, 281 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,580 somebody will still walk up and stab you right in front of a guard's booth. 282 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,920 I got through into the visiting room. 283 00:24:47,629 --> 00:24:48,830 Dino came down. 284 00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:58,530 He said, hey, Uncle P, good to see you. 285 00:24:58,730 --> 00:25:00,330 You know, what's going on? 286 00:25:00,550 --> 00:25:01,830 Just came to see how you're doing. 287 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:07,170 To get the confession, my plan right from the beginning was to get him as 288 00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:11,890 up and emotional as I could so that he was not using his rational mind. 289 00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:18,130 He was already agitated because nobody had sent him any money since he had been 290 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:19,350 locked up on this drug charge. 291 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:25,650 I played Wayne against him. 292 00:25:26,290 --> 00:25:29,610 I said, I'll take care of you the best I can, but Wayne doesn't really give a 293 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:30,610 **** about you. 294 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:33,710 He said, is he going to hang me out to dry? 295 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:38,130 He just went off on a rant about the murder. 296 00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:45,150 When I heard the words come out of his mouth, I was like, well, that was easy. 297 00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:48,370 It was obvious that he was involved in the murder. 298 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:50,530 Calm down. 299 00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:52,190 We had some small talk. 300 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:55,630 Look, I'm here if you need anything, all right? You know that. 301 00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:59,510 And then I wrapped that conversation up, knowing I was never coming back. 302 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:00,730 Stay strong, man. 303 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:12,980 I walked away and never looked back. 304 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,640 Holiday took the tape recorder from me and listened to it. 305 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:29,799 That's great. 306 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,820 He let me know that, you know, that was it for Dino. 307 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,000 We didn't need anything more from him. 308 00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:44,610 The next target to take down and the next confession to get was from Wayne 309 00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:45,610 James. 310 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:53,070 That night, Wayne was coming to my house for supper. 311 00:26:53,790 --> 00:26:57,010 They had their technicians come in and wire my house. 312 00:27:02,030 --> 00:27:06,270 They had all the main living areas, the kitchen, the living room, wired up. 313 00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:07,990 They had the telephone wired. 314 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:11,490 There was a lot of strategy that had to go in with Wayne. 315 00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:16,350 Holiday actually came up with this idea. He said, Paul, just tell him the truth, 316 00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:20,090 that you didn't throw the gun over the bridge like you were supposed to, that 317 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:21,190 you actually buried the gun. 318 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:28,110 I clearly told Holiday that would get me killed right there in the apartment. 319 00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:30,610 But he convinced me again. 320 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:35,210 He said, just trust me. Tell him this, we'll get a good confession out of him. 321 00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:37,030 Of course I was weary. 322 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:39,060 Dangerous man. 323 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,680 How you doing? 324 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,819 I'm good. 325 00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:58,520 Been drinking since lunchtime. 326 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080 Got a nice whiskey buzz going on. 327 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Wayne was in a great mood when he got there. 328 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:06,740 He went to the fridge, cracked a beer. 329 00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:09,250 and sat down on the couch. 330 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:13,310 I knew that if he talked, this was going to be the last time I'd see him. 331 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:19,630 We sat down, we ate supper for, I don't know, probably half an hour. 332 00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:23,070 You talked to Neil? He happy with everything? 333 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:25,930 I think so. 334 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:27,450 Cool. 335 00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:30,170 I said, I have something to tell you. 336 00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:32,510 I'm not going to be happy. 337 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:35,070 And he said, 338 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,260 He was referring to the murder. 339 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,700 And he said, well, let's take it outside. 340 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,420 He was scared that the cops might have bugged the apartment, because that's 341 00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:52,220 commonplace for cops to sneak in and bug people's apartments. 342 00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:55,440 Wayne did not know how right he was. 343 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,900 But he didn't know I had the wire on me, and we were going outside with the 344 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:04,900 wire. 345 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:26,280 So we're looking down at the parking lot, and I have to say I was a little 346 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,500 nervous. As soon as I told them, I didn't throw the gun into the water. 347 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,760 I'm sorry, man. 348 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,320 I didn't do what you told me. I buried the gun instead of throwing it over the 349 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,120 bridge. He said, what do you mean? 350 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,760 He said, Dad. 351 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,000 Would you take that gun and throw it off the top of the bridge? 352 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,300 What else didn't you get rid of? 353 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:51,440 With that admission, he linked himself to the murder. 354 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,720 At this point, I was thinking he was going to throw me over the balcony. 355 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,600 I didn't want to betray you. 356 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,840 I apologized profusely and said, look, Wayne, I thought it was a better thing 357 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,160 for us to know where the gun was. 358 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 And he seemed to calm down after that a little bit. 359 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,420 He reached over, hugged me, said, I'll see you tomorrow, bro. 360 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:25,760 Thanks for the evening, and away he went. 361 00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:45,060 When Wayne got across the bridge and back to his house, they surrounded him 362 00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:46,240 arrested him. 363 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,680 I heard it on their radios that it was happening. 364 00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:58,400 I was not feeling in a mood to celebrate. 365 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:05,300 I would rather have not taken Wayne down if I didn't have to, but I just knew 366 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:06,920 that was the end of not only a friendship. 367 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,720 a partnership. 368 00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:12,080 But he had to go. 369 00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:14,560 I had to think of him as another target. 370 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:17,860 It's something I learned to do as an informant over the years. 371 00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:26,280 We now had taken down Dino and Wayne James, and we had one target left, and 372 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,520 would be difficult to take down. 373 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,320 And that was Neil Smith, the guy who ordered the hit. 374 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:35,980 But I did not know that I was about to hit the fan. 375 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,360 The next morning, I get a phone call from a guy called Bobby Milton. 376 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:54,240 Hello? He was rumored to be a hitman. 377 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,740 I had a really bad feeling. 378 00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:01,460 It did not sound like he had any good intentions. 379 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,900 He was an enforcer for Neil Smith. 380 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000 He's just a cold -blooded killer. 381 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,180 They thought I was a rat, and they were coming to kill me. 382 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,940 If there wasn't no other thing, it could be. 383 00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:37,780 I really started to freak out. 384 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,899 It's holiday. 385 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:58,040 He was listening to it on the wire, and he said, that didn't sound good. 386 00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:59,920 He said, get me the hell out of here. 387 00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:02,680 I went downstairs. They picked me up. 388 00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:12,220 They're doing surveillance, watching the house. 389 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:20,380 First, I hear he's at the door. 390 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:28,160 And then they said, oh, he's going in. 391 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160 And Bobby was going in through the window. 392 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:43,080 And we could hear it when he gets inside the house. 393 00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:51,260 He calls Neil Smith at the clubhouse and says, I missed him. He's not here. 394 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,700 I'll have to get him next time. 395 00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:04,750 That was a really close call. Now I thought for sure they knew that I was a 396 00:34:11,469 --> 00:34:13,929 I thought we were done. The operation was over. 397 00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:17,989 But Holiday said, we're still going to need you to meet with Neil Smith. 398 00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:24,790 And I said, Neil Smith's the one that ordered me to be killed. 399 00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:26,989 You want me to go meet with him? 400 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,460 He said, we need one more recording. We just need one more wire to nail this 401 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:32,460 coffin shut. 402 00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:36,060 This is all it's going to take. No way, man. 403 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:38,460 Absolutely, I thought, no way. 404 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:40,500 Not in a million years. 405 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,760 Suspicion was really growing. People keep going to jail all around me. 406 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:51,699 But he said, I just want you to think about it. 407 00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:53,460 Just think it over. 408 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:07,740 So I thought it over, and I thought, I just put Wayne James away. 409 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:10,060 I had put Dino away. 410 00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:14,740 Neil Smith was the one who ordered it all. Am I going to let those guys go to 411 00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:15,960 prison and let him walk free? 412 00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:19,180 He's the one I really wanted to see in prison. 413 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,520 I just remember thinking over and over and over that a man was dead. 414 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,380 So I said I'd do him. 415 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,760 So Holiday says, we have a plan. 416 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,740 He showed me that they have a warrant made up. It's a realistic warrant. 417 00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:54,560 It has Dino's name on it. It has Neil's name on it. It has your name on it. So I 418 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,900 just said, what am I supposed to do with this? And he said, well, you're going 419 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,800 to take it to him and you're going to say, look, everybody's on here except 420 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,760 Wayne. It's going to make them think that Wayne is the rat. 421 00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:08,120 This is how it's going to get him to talk. 422 00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:14,870 I couldn't figure out how it was going to go down without a bad ending. I just 423 00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:15,870 couldn't see it. 424 00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:27,970 I was sweating like crazy. I was nervous. 425 00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:33,870 They kept trying to tape their probes on my chest, and I was sweating so bad 426 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:37,270 that the wires just kept falling off. The tape was not sticking. 427 00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:39,650 I'm a nervous wreck. 428 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:43,310 Okay. 429 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:51,210 Holiday said to me, Paul, don't worry. All you have to do is hand him the 430 00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:52,210 warrant. 431 00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:04,430 There's patrol cars all along this road. 432 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:07,830 There's snipers on the roof. 433 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:09,570 A SWAT team there. 434 00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:18,070 Walking down there was almost as if I had cement shoes on. Every step I took 435 00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:20,710 heavy. Walking to death would have been easier. 436 00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:24,210 This is walking into uncertainty. 437 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,730 It was a place that I could easily not come back out of if I wasn't careful. 438 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,460 As I got down there, I could see Neil's bike parked out front. 439 00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:58,440 All the cops outside, all the snipers. 440 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,540 But once I was in the bar with Neil, I was there by myself, trapped in there 441 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:04,540 with all those bikers. 442 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,980 I just wanted to turn around. 443 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,840 But I knew it had to be done. 444 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:15,120 The Hells Angels live off the blood of the vulnerable. 445 00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:18,460 They all had to go. 446 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,380 I just said, open the door, and I walked in. 447 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,540 One of my biggest fears was that Neil had already tried to kill me. 448 00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:38,440 I didn't know if he had more people inside the bar waiting to finish the 449 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,460 Neil was at the bar with his back towards me, so I could see the Hell's 450 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:48,240 death head on the back of his vest. 451 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,300 How you doing? 452 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,440 It was like he heard from a ghost. 453 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360 He obviously thought I should have been dead. 454 00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:03,740 He said, I'm not doing so good. 455 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,560 You? 456 00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:15,240 Can I get a beer, Jen? 457 00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:16,600 I ordered a beer. 458 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:22,570 I went to take a drink and I was shaking so bad I had to put the beer back down 459 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:25,350 because I knew that Neil would see that I was shaking. 460 00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:31,250 He just looked at me strangely and he said, Wayne's been picked up and Dino's 461 00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:32,250 already in jail. 462 00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:35,290 And we're the only two left out of the murder that's not in jail. 463 00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:37,910 He had a real suspicious tone to him. 464 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:45,250 I took the warrant out of my pocket and I feel my fingers wetting the warrant 465 00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:46,250 like it was... 466 00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:50,600 I was sweating so bad that I could feel the sweat going into the paper. 467 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,040 I was still shaking, but I handed it to him. 468 00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:57,460 What is it? 469 00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:59,300 It's a warrant. 470 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,080 It's got everybody's name on it except for Wayne. 471 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,040 I'm just getting more nervous because I'm waiting for him to hurry up and read 472 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,979 it. 473 00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:08,040 He said, what do you think? 474 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,120 I said, I think Wayne went into witness protection. 475 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,480 I think he's a rat. 476 00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:22,690 I said, what are you going to do? 477 00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:28,830 That's when he said, I'm getting the hell out of town. 478 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:31,230 He picked up his helmet and started to go. 479 00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:35,130 That was not the reaction of a man that was not guilty of murder. 480 00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:43,030 Go, go, all units move in. 481 00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:45,330 Neil opened the door and... 482 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,620 There had to be 50 cops with their guns out saying, get on the ground, get on 483 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:51,620 the ground. 484 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,920 There was cops all around him. 485 00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:06,240 I could see them taking him into custody. 486 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000 And as soon as I got in the car with Holiday. 487 00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:12,380 Come on, man, let's go. 488 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,760 Let's go. 489 00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:18,530 I'm done. I was done. I ripped the wire off and said, I'm done. Let's go. I'm 490 00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:20,790 done. This is over. Get me out of here. 491 00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:23,410 It was all overwhelming. 492 00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:44,650 When Neil was sentenced, I smiled. 493 00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:49,690 I knew Wayne would be able to handle prison because he had spent much of his 494 00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:50,690 life in prison. 495 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:56,770 And Dino, I was happy that society was going to be safe from him. 496 00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:09,250 From there, I went into witness protection. 497 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,020 having to hide from the Hells Angels who had a contract on my life. 498 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:25,080 Entering Witness Protection, you say goodbye to everything. 499 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,620 It's like you died, but the difference is you're alive to watch everybody go on 500 00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:30,538 with their lives. 501 00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:32,520 It really is like becoming a ghost. 502 00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:46,030 I haven't talked to my family in 15, 16 years. 503 00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:49,690 My mother's died since then. 504 00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:53,870 So, yeah, I used to say goodbye to everything. 505 00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:58,530 I'm in a worse prison than taking the life sentence. 506 00:43:01,150 --> 00:43:02,330 Do I deserve it? 507 00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:06,830 Yeah, I was, and the person I used to be. 508 00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:12,150 I spent years torturing myself over Sean Simmons' death. 509 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960 I just got diagnosed with throat cancer. 510 00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:28,860 I don't know if the Hells Angels will catch me before my own body kills me. 511 00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:30,060 We'll see. 512 00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:38,660 I, for one, don't want to walk in fear of them, and I don't want to be 513 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:43,200 intimidated. So I just want to be me, tell my story. I'm Marcus Baldieri. 514 00:43:45,399 --> 00:43:46,399 That's who I'm going to be. 41721

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