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My name is Paul Derry, or at least it
used to be.
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I was given a new name when I entered
Witness Protection.
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Truth is, I'm on a Hell's Angels hit
list.
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Many people want me dead.
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I've never shown my face on camera
before.
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But I'm done running. I'm done hiding.
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And now I'm going to tell my story.
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I was a criminal.
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A successful criminal.
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I had aspired to be at the top of the
criminal world my entire childhood and
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adult life.
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So most of the people I knew were high
-level drug dealers or killers.
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I was well known as a drug dealer, arms
dealer.
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Nine millimeter.
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Standard police issue.
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And known for my skills at making money.
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Now I have a different view and a
different moral compass than I had back
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then.
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I was always looking for new drug
networks.
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I realized that the biggest payday was
going to come through working with the
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Hells Angels.
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People like to believe that they're just
good old boys, they ride motorcycles.
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They're not. They traffic in women,
drugs, extortion.
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Up at the top of the organized crime
world, they are deadly.
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I knew there was a clubhouse in Halifax
that would be a great place to try to
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get into.
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They brought in all the drugs. They
supplied the drug trade.
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It was the best place for me personally
to make money.
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One of the connections I tried to hang
out with was Wayne James.
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Wayne was definitely my end to the Hells
Angels.
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We had already become very good friends.
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He was in with the Hells Angels.
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He was their enforcer, and he moved a
lot of drugs for them, a lot of cocaine.
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The whole territory was controlled from
the private club. You had to be buzzed
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to get in, and we referred to it as the
office.
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The first time I went there, Wayne
coached me before we got there.
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He said, listen, if you want to come out
of here alive, Do as I tell you.
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Wayne wanted me to meet his boss so that
we could do business together.
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His name was Nasty Neil Smith, a full
-patch member of the Hells Angels.
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Wayne had done a lot of dirty work for
Neil.
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Neil!
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This is the guy I was telling you about.
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This is Paul.
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Wayne said, Neil, this is Paul. Paul,
this is Neil.
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Wayne had told him about me.
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He's got the connection.
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I had made many connections within the
drug trade.
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I was a moneymaker.
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I had the perfect resume.
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Neil looked like a snake.
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It was known to be very dangerous.
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At this point, nobody knew that I had a
secret that I had to keep in.
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It was a secret that would get me
killed.
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I was a rat, a confidential informant
for the police.
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I was a...
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working as a police agent and as a
criminal. So I was playing both sides of
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fence.
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My goal was to take these guys down and
there was going to be a payout and I was
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going to ride off into the sunset.
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But it was dangerous.
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If Wayne and Neil found out I was
riding, if I was lucky, they would just
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bullet in my head.
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Maybe I'd have my tongue removed.
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But then he said, OK, we'll be in touch.
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We shook hands, and that was it. That
was the beginning of our connection.
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Wayne was vouching for me, so now I was
in with Neil.
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I took great pride in the fact that I
was able to manipulate people.
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That was the type of person I was.
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It's a good dream.
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I used everybody I met.
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So, here's the deal.
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This guy here, that's Wayne James, my
partner.
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Criminal informants are crucial to
solving crime.
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If all you ever used was altar boys, all
you'd ever catch is priests.
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Being an informant gave me the best of
both worlds. I mean, picking up
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information, I was able to sell it to
the police, all while making money in
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crime world as well.
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I was not doing it for no civic duty,
ever.
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I did not become an informant to be a
good, upstanding citizen.
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I informed because of the reward.
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The money was great. The police pay
well.
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The bigger the job, the more money you
can make.
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If I could take down a Hells Angel Club,
I knew that they would be a multi
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-million dollar takedown.
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I wanted to get the Hells Angels chapter
in Halifax and shut it down.
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And then I could retire and get out of
it forever.
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Now Wayne and I were working together
for Neil, basically as employees.
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The main thrust for us was cocaine
trafficking.
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We had apartments and stash houses all
over the city.
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Business was booming.
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We're distributing cocaine on an
industrial scale, making hundreds of
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every month.
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If I wasn't great at being a criminal, I
would be no good as an informant.
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Throughout the entire time we were doing
business, I was always gathering intel,
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names and connections.
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When we would cook up the crack, we
would have Wayne's nephew, Dino, keeping
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guard for it.
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Dino was a loose cannon. He was young
and wanting to stomp people's heads.
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He loved to fight. He loved blood. He
was excited by blood.
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Taking these guys down was always at the
forefront of my mind.
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But I had no idea somebody was going to
end up dead.
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One day we went to the office to do
business as usual.
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When we got there, Wayne and Neil
started talking.
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There was a guy named Sean Simmons, and
there was a rumor going around that he
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had slept with the mistress of the
current president of the Hells Angels.
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You don't touch anything that belongs to
the president of the Hells Angels, but
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to sleep with his mistress, it is a
cardinal sin.
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Neil says, whack him, and motioned his
finger across his throat as he says
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And then the conversation was over.
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Wayne turned to me and said, he wants
him whacked.
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It's an unwritten rule and very
understood in the criminal world that if
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want to join the Hells Angels,
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and you were told to kill and you
didn't, you would die.
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I was kind of in shock.
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I now know I'm going to be intimately
involved in this murder.
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It's too late to tell the police.
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Wayne said, let's go. Away we went.
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I was thinking, am I going to be the one
that gets asked to shoot him? There's a
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million thoughts going through my head.
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I was nervous.
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My heart was beating out of my chest.
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I thought, wow, we're on our way to a
murder. How can I stop this?
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It's not just a drug operation now. Now
it's a Hell's Angel murder.
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It was intense in that car. You cut the
tension with a knife. It was an insane,
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insane feeling.
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I couldn't believe we were going to just
go kill someone.
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But what could I do?
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We pulled up to the apartment.
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This guy comes out.
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I didn't know what was happening.
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Wayne turned around and handed the gun
to Dino in the back seat.
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He was getting a chance to prove
himself.
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The guy came up to the passenger door,
and Wayne took out a man.
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Dino was getting out of the back at the
same time, and then the two of them
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walked off.
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I'm watching those guys walking towards
the door.
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I thought, they're going to check it
out. They're not going to do it. Maybe
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they'll do something, lay a beating on
them.
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I felt sick.
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Next thing I know, we
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heard...
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Go. Go, go, go. Go!
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Go! What are you doing? Go!
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Dana had blood all over him.
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Wayne kept saying, is he dead, is he
dead, is he dead?
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And Dino said, yes, his head split open
like a watermelon.
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I was getting a little nervous that he
was still too pumped up.
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I didn't know what was next. I didn't
know what was planned.
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We got to the stash house. Dino went in.
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Then Wayne leaned in the car and said,
take the gun.
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Go to the Halifax Bridge and throw it in
the harbor.
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I said, you bet.
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To say that I didn't feel fear would be
stupid.
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But I chose to get on with the job and
get done what I had to so I could live.
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Everything started hitting me.
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I'd been focused the whole time on the
goal.
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playing this game of informant and
criminal.
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And then all of a sudden this wasn't a
game anymore.
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Now I need even a murder.
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There was no way I could go to the cop.
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I drove them to the murder.
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I had no alibis.
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How can I get out of this mess?
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I felt completely lost and hopeless.
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That was the first time I asked myself,
am I a good guy or am I a bad guy? I
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really didn't know.
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I didn't know which side I actually
belonged on.
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Self -preservation kicked in.
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I drove to a place out near the Atlantic
Ocean.
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I was starting to think a little more
clearly.
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I was thinking, how am I going to
protect myself from the police?
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I knew that the murder weapon is key,
and if I'm the only one that knows where
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the murder weapon is, then I'm the one
in the best position.
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I decided to disobey Wayne.
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I thought, it's going to be much better
if I go bury this gun.
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Better in my hand than in the harbor.
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I dug down a little bit with my hands,
and I buried the gun as deep as I could
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next to some sand dunes.
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The phone rang as soon as I got in the
car.
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I was waiting.
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He had been calling, and he said, what's
taking you so long?
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He was already suspicious.
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You could sense it as he was talking.
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I was in a lot of danger at that point.
Not only was I taking too
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long, but I had completely gone against
what he had told me to do.
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Maybe I'm going to get whacked. I'm a
witness now.
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I considered just leaving, taking off.
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In the end, I ended up heading back to
town.
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I came home to find my house had been
raided by the police.
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There was a warrant out for my arrest
for the murder.
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I knew I was screwed. I just didn't know
how badly I was screwed.
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I decided that it was best to turn
myself in.
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I knew I had the evidence.
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I'm here to turn myself in.
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Just wasn't sure I was going to play
out.
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Was I looking at a life sentence?
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I came to detectives.
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I was going to go in, shut my mouth
until I knew what they had.
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As I was laying in the cell thinking
about the murder, it was like a punch to
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the head.
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i had always treated my life as a game
but it's starting to hit me that a man
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was dead sean had a wife and two
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kids somebody just lost their father
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All of a sudden my eyes opened and
seeing it from a different perspective.
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It's like two lives came together in
that cell.
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So it's like this lie I was living on
both sides came.
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This just wasn't a game.
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I realized the death of Sean meant
something.
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I even cried out at one point to God and
said, you know, get me out of this
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mess.
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I'll quit this life for good.
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That night in the cell was step one to
me changing my life. It was the
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of a journey that I was about to take
that I did not believe I would ever be
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The next morning, they took me to an
interrogation room.
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In the door comes this tall cop.
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He said, I'm Shane Halliday. I'm with
the Homicide Unit.
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And he said, I know you know what
happened.
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Halliday told me there had been some
witnesses that may have seen me in the
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area, and I had a really bad feeling.
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At that point, I'm...
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convinced I'm looking at a life
sentence.
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He said very clearly if I gave him
everything about the murder, then he
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work on getting me immunity from
prosecution.
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So I told him, well, I have the murder
weapon for sure. I know all the players.
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All right. Help me fill in the blanks
with these guys.
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I gave him the full story and gave him
statements, and that's when I gave him
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everybody's names, everybody's part, and
was completely truthful.
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But Holliday said, Paul, look, you're
going to have to do more than
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just give us the information.
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We need something to back up the
evidence.
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You got to get confessions out of each
one of these guys.
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He just said, look.
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You're going to have to wear a wire?
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I had been an informant for years, but I
knew it was going to be dangerous.
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It's scary wearing a wire.
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I'd rather face getting a gun to my head
than have to wear a wire.
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You can be a little nervous. It's fine.
I've never lost a confidential
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informant. We're not going to start with
you.
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Have a seat. Let's go through this. I'll
work it out with you. He reassured me
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that I would get a new life and witness
protection with a new name.
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You help us get what we need.
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You walk out of here.
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So I had no choice.
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I had to do it.
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Okay.
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I had to take all of them down.
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Thanks for doing the right thing.
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I'll walk you out.
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It's not the Taj Mahal, but it's secure.
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So after that, they took me up to the
safe house.
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Halliday told me whenever we had to
meet, we would meet there.
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This is Paul.
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This is my team. They would wire me up,
and I would leave for meets from there.
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Halliday says, listen, all the
information has to be corroborated by
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wire.
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And then he tells me the first
confession we're going to try to get is
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Dino.
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Halliday explains to me, He's out at the
correctional center.
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He's been arrested, done a drug charge,
nothing to do with the murder.
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He says, you're going to have to meet
him in there.
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I want you to go in the prison, and I
want you to get as much detail from him
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you can, if you can get him talking and
get him talking.
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I said to Holiday, how the hell am I
going to get
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in?
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Are you kidding me, man?
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I never get past security with a tape
recorder in my jacket.
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Holiday said, it's okay, we've got a guy
at the front desk.
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We'll get you through.
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I didn't think the odds were very good.
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But I focused on what I was going to do.
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When he pulled the car up into the
parking lot of the correctional center,
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even more nervous because people were
coming in and out of their visits.
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And I'm pulling up with a known homicide
cop. So I was a bit of a wreck.
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The entire time I was walking, I could
feel this thing tapping my side.
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All I could think of was somebody can
see this bulky old tape recorder in this
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jacket. I wonder if Dino's going to see
it.
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If Dino let somebody know that I was an
informant, for sure it would have got me
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killed.
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My legs were actually shaken.
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Going into a jail full of convicts, if
anybody found out I was wearing a wire,
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somebody will still walk up and stab you
right in front of a guard's booth.
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I got through into the visiting room.
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Dino came down.
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He said, hey, Uncle P, good to see you.
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You know, what's going on?
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Just came to see how you're doing.
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To get the confession, my plan right
from the beginning was to get him as
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up and emotional as I could so that he
was not using his rational mind.
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He was already agitated because nobody
had sent him any money since he had been
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locked up on this drug charge.
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I played Wayne against him.
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I said, I'll take care of you the best I
can, but Wayne doesn't really give a
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**** about you.
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He said, is he going to hang me out to
dry?
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He just went off on a rant about the
murder.
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When I heard the words come out of his
mouth, I was like, well, that was easy.
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It was obvious that he was involved in
the murder.
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Calm down.
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We had some small talk.
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Look, I'm here if you need anything, all
right? You know that.
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And then I wrapped that conversation up,
knowing I was never coming back.
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Stay strong, man.
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I walked away and never looked back.
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Holiday took the tape recorder from me
and listened to it.
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That's great.
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He let me know that, you know, that was
it for Dino.
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We didn't need anything more from him.
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The next target to take down and the
next confession to get was from Wayne
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James.
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That night, Wayne was coming to my house
for supper.
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They had their technicians come in and
wire my house.
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They had all the main living areas, the
kitchen, the living room, wired up.
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They had the telephone wired.
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There was a lot of strategy that had to
go in with Wayne.
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Holiday actually came up with this idea.
He said, Paul, just tell him the truth,
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that you didn't throw the gun over the
bridge like you were supposed to, that
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you actually buried the gun.
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I clearly told Holiday that would get me
killed right there in the apartment.
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But he convinced me again.
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He said, just trust me. Tell him this,
we'll get a good confession out of him.
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Of course I was weary.
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Dangerous man.
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How you doing?
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I'm good.
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Been drinking since lunchtime.
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Got a nice whiskey buzz going on.
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Wayne was in a great mood when he got
there.
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He went to the fridge, cracked a beer.
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and sat down on the couch.
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I knew that if he talked, this was going
to be the last time I'd see him.
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We sat down, we ate supper for, I don't
know, probably half an hour.
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You talked to Neil? He happy with
everything?
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I think so.
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Cool.
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I said, I have something to tell you.
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I'm not going to be happy.
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And he said,
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He was referring to the murder.
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And he said, well, let's take it
outside.
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He was scared that the cops might have
bugged the apartment, because that's
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commonplace for cops to sneak in and bug
people's apartments.
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Wayne did not know how right he was.
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But he didn't know I had the wire on me,
and we were going outside with the
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wire.
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So we're looking down at the parking
lot, and I have to say I was a little
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nervous. As soon as I told them, I
didn't throw the gun into the water.
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I'm sorry, man.
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I didn't do what you told me. I buried
the gun instead of throwing it over the
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bridge. He said, what do you mean?
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He said, Dad.
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Would you take that gun and throw it off
the top of the bridge?
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What else didn't you get rid of?
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With that admission, he linked himself
to the murder.
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At this point, I was thinking he was
going to throw me over the balcony.
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I didn't want to betray you.
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I apologized profusely and said, look,
Wayne, I thought it was a better thing
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for us to know where the gun was.
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And he seemed to calm down after that a
little bit.
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He reached over, hugged me, said, I'll
see you tomorrow, bro.
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Thanks for the evening, and away he
went.
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When Wayne got across the bridge and
back to his house, they surrounded him
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arrested him.
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I heard it on their radios that it was
happening.
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I was not feeling in a mood to
celebrate.
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I would rather have not taken Wayne down
if I didn't have to, but I just knew
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that was the end of not only a
friendship.
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a partnership.
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But he had to go.
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I had to think of him as another target.
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It's something I learned to do as an
informant over the years.
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We now had taken down Dino and Wayne
James, and we had one target left, and
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would be difficult to take down.
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And that was Neil Smith, the guy who
ordered the hit.
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But I did not know that I was about to
hit the fan.
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The next morning, I get a phone call
from a guy called Bobby Milton.
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Hello? He was rumored to be a hitman.
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I had a really bad feeling.
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It did not sound like he had any good
intentions.
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He was an enforcer for Neil Smith.
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He's just a cold -blooded killer.
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They thought I was a rat, and they were
coming to kill me.
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If there wasn't no other thing, it could
be.
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I really started to freak out.
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It's holiday.
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He was listening to it on the wire, and
he said, that didn't sound good.
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He said, get me the hell out of here.
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I went downstairs. They picked me up.
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They're doing surveillance, watching the
house.
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00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:20,380
First, I hear he's at the door.
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00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:28,160
And then they said, oh, he's going in.
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And Bobby was going in through the
window.
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And we could hear it when he gets inside
the house.
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He calls Neil Smith at the clubhouse and
says, I missed him. He's not here.
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I'll have to get him next time.
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00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:04,750
That was a really close call. Now I
thought for sure they knew that I was a
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I thought we were done. The operation
was over.
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00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:17,989
But Holiday said, we're still going to
need you to meet with Neil Smith.
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And I said, Neil Smith's the one that
ordered me to be killed.
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You want me to go meet with him?
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He said, we need one more recording. We
just need one more wire to nail this
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coffin shut.
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00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:36,060
This is all it's going to take. No way,
man.
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00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:38,460
Absolutely, I thought, no way.
404
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:40,500
Not in a million years.
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00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,760
Suspicion was really growing. People
keep going to jail all around me.
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00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:51,699
But he said, I just want you to think
about it.
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Just think it over.
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00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:07,740
So I thought it over, and I thought, I
just put Wayne James away.
409
00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:10,060
I had put Dino away.
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00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:14,740
Neil Smith was the one who ordered it
all. Am I going to let those guys go to
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prison and let him walk free?
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He's the one I really wanted to see in
prison.
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I just remember thinking over and over
and over that a man was dead.
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So I said I'd do him.
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00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,760
So Holiday says, we have a plan.
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He showed me that they have a warrant
made up. It's a realistic warrant.
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00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:54,560
It has Dino's name on it. It has Neil's
name on it. It has your name on it. So I
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00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,900
just said, what am I supposed to do with
this? And he said, well, you're going
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to take it to him and you're going to
say, look, everybody's on here except
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Wayne. It's going to make them think
that Wayne is the rat.
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00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:08,120
This is how it's going to get him to
talk.
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00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:14,870
I couldn't figure out how it was going
to go down without a bad ending. I just
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couldn't see it.
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I was sweating like crazy. I was
nervous.
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00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:33,870
They kept trying to tape their probes on
my chest, and I was sweating so bad
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00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:37,270
that the wires just kept falling off.
The tape was not sticking.
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00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:39,650
I'm a nervous wreck.
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00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:43,310
Okay.
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00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:51,210
Holiday said to me, Paul, don't worry.
All you have to do is hand him the
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warrant.
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00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:04,430
There's patrol cars all along this road.
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00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:07,830
There's snipers on the roof.
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00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:09,570
A SWAT team there.
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00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:18,070
Walking down there was almost as if I
had cement shoes on. Every step I took
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heavy. Walking to death would have been
easier.
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00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:24,210
This is walking into uncertainty.
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00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,730
It was a place that I could easily not
come back out of if I wasn't careful.
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00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,460
As I got down there, I could see Neil's
bike parked out front.
439
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:58,440
All the cops outside, all the snipers.
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00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,540
But once I was in the bar with Neil, I
was there by myself, trapped in there
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with all those bikers.
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00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,980
I just wanted to turn around.
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00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,840
But I knew it had to be done.
444
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:15,120
The Hells Angels live off the blood of
the vulnerable.
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They all had to go.
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I just said, open the door, and I walked
in.
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00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,540
One of my biggest fears was that Neil
had already tried to kill me.
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I didn't know if he had more people
inside the bar waiting to finish the
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Neil was at the bar with his back
towards me, so I could see the Hell's
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death head on the back of his vest.
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00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,300
How you doing?
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It was like he heard from a ghost.
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00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360
He obviously thought I should have been
dead.
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00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:03,740
He said, I'm not doing so good.
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00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,560
You?
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00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:15,240
Can I get a beer, Jen?
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I ordered a beer.
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I went to take a drink and I was shaking
so bad I had to put the beer back down
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00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:25,350
because I knew that Neil would see that
I was shaking.
460
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:31,250
He just looked at me strangely and he
said, Wayne's been picked up and Dino's
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already in jail.
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00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:35,290
And we're the only two left out of the
murder that's not in jail.
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He had a real suspicious tone to him.
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00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:45,250
I took the warrant out of my pocket and
I feel my fingers wetting the warrant
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like it was...
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00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:50,600
I was sweating so bad that I could feel
the sweat going into the paper.
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00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,040
I was still shaking, but I handed it to
him.
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00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:57,460
What is it?
469
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It's a warrant.
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00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,080
It's got everybody's name on it except
for Wayne.
471
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,040
I'm just getting more nervous because
I'm waiting for him to hurry up and read
472
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,979
it.
473
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:08,040
He said, what do you think?
474
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,120
I said, I think Wayne went into witness
protection.
475
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,480
I think he's a rat.
476
00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:22,690
I said, what are you going to do?
477
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:28,830
That's when he said, I'm getting the
hell out of town.
478
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:31,230
He picked up his helmet and started to
go.
479
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:35,130
That was not the reaction of a man that
was not guilty of murder.
480
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:43,030
Go, go, all units move in.
481
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:45,330
Neil opened the door and...
482
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,620
There had to be 50 cops with their guns
out saying, get on the ground, get on
483
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:51,620
the ground.
484
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,920
There was cops all around him.
485
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:06,240
I could see them taking him into
custody.
486
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000
And as soon as I got in the car with
Holiday.
487
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:12,380
Come on, man, let's go.
488
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,760
Let's go.
489
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:18,530
I'm done. I was done. I ripped the wire
off and said, I'm done. Let's go. I'm
490
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:20,790
done. This is over. Get me out of here.
491
00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:23,410
It was all overwhelming.
492
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:44,650
When Neil was sentenced, I smiled.
493
00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:49,690
I knew Wayne would be able to handle
prison because he had spent much of his
494
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:50,690
life in prison.
495
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:56,770
And Dino, I was happy that society was
going to be safe from him.
496
00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:09,250
From there, I went into witness
protection.
497
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,020
having to hide from the Hells Angels who
had a contract on my life.
498
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:25,080
Entering Witness Protection, you say
goodbye to everything.
499
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,620
It's like you died, but the difference
is you're alive to watch everybody go on
500
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:30,538
with their lives.
501
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:32,520
It really is like becoming a ghost.
502
00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:46,030
I haven't talked to my family in 15, 16
years.
503
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:49,690
My mother's died since then.
504
00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:53,870
So, yeah, I used to say goodbye to
everything.
505
00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:58,530
I'm in a worse prison than taking the
life sentence.
506
00:43:01,150 --> 00:43:02,330
Do I deserve it?
507
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:06,830
Yeah, I was, and the person I used to
be.
508
00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:12,150
I spent years torturing myself over Sean
Simmons' death.
509
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
I just got diagnosed with throat cancer.
510
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:28,860
I don't know if the Hells Angels will
catch me before my own body kills me.
511
00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:30,060
We'll see.
512
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:38,660
I, for one, don't want to walk in fear
of them, and I don't want to be
513
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:43,200
intimidated. So I just want to be me,
tell my story. I'm Marcus Baldieri.
514
00:43:45,399 --> 00:43:46,399
That's who I'm going to be.
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