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That's all. 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,800 REPORTER: Julie, whose maiden name is Ming, 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,960 was driven home in the early hours 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,960 but had vanished when her family called in the morning. 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,960 I drove down to the house. 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,960 My gut feeling straight away said there was something wrong. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,960 KNOCKING She's knocking on the door, 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,960 the window, no answer. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,960 I've gone up the stairs to the bathroom. 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,960 I'm screaming, "She's under the bath. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,480 "She's under the bath." 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,960 REPORTER: Today, detectives launched a full-scale murder hunt 16 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,000 involving 40 officers. 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,960 The prime suspect was local man... Billy Dunlop. 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,960 REPORTER: The opening of the murder trial today 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,960 follows a high-profile police investigation. 20 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,960 I can picture him just sat down there. 21 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,960 Dunlop walked out of court a free man. 22 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,960 You've got no justice for your daughter, 23 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,320 and you've got a man out in local pubs bragging he killed her. 24 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:23,960 All I wanted was justice for Julie. 25 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,480 MAN: All right. 26 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,960 SHERIDAN SMITH: I admire Ann so much. 27 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Rolling. 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Everything that she's gone through 29 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,960 that we're having to re-enact and relive every day. 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,960 I mean, I can only imagine, you know, 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,960 so I'm only scratching the surface, and it's very emotional for me. 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,960 She's just an incredible woman. 33 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Thank you so much for today, Ann. 34 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,960 If you need a break at any point, just say. 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,960 OK. 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,960 REPORTER: It's hard to believe 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,960 that nearly 17,000 people work here, but they do. 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,960 Many of them are on shifts, of course, 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,960 because Billingham never stops. 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,480 SHEILAGH MATHESON: Billingham was quite a close-knit community, 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,160 and still is, the kind of place where you know your neighbours. 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:43,000 Most people would be employed in a big chemical plant, ICI Billingham, 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,960 or they might commute into Middlesbrough. 44 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,640 But it was very much 45 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,640 your traditional working-class population. 46 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,160 This is where Ann Ming grew up in the 1950s. 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,960 At 16, she fell in love. 48 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:02,480 I said to my friend's boyfriend, "Who was that?" 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,960 He said, "Oh, it's Charlie." 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,160 He said, "His mother's English, his father's Chinese." 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,160 I thought, "Oh, he looks full of Eastern promise, I'll have him." 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,960 SHE CHUCKLES 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,960 That was the start of Charlie. 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Ann and Charlie married, and they soon started a family. 55 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,960 We'd bought a new house, 56 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 and the neighbour came to the door with a letter. 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,960 She said, "We don't mind you being here 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,960 "cos we see how clean you are, 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,960 "but when your husband's friends come to visit him, 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,800 "it lowers the tone of the area." 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,960 They had to put up with slurs and questioning about, you know, 62 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,960 mixed-race children, 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,160 and Ann just stuck it out. 64 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 The couple had three children. 65 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,000 Julie was the middle child. 66 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,960 She was fairly quiet. She did gymnastics. 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,960 She'd been in the Brownies and then in the Guides. 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,960 She'd stand up for herself if she thought she was in the right. 69 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,960 At 18, Julie met and married a local painter and decorator. 70 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,960 I mean, she was a young girlie. 71 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,960 She was happy, she wanted to get married. 72 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Julie and her new husband found a house 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,960 just five minutes from her mum and dad. 74 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,960 Not long after, they had a son, Kevin. 75 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,960 My mum was a family-oriented person, quite a happy person. 76 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,960 Loved music, loved to dance. 77 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:01,960 If I didn't see her every day, she was on the phone every day, 78 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,960 but most days, I saw her. 79 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,960 By 1989, the couple had split up. 80 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Julie's husband moved to London, 81 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,960 while she stayed in the Billingham house with Kevin. 82 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,960 She worked in a local pizza shop. 83 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,960 Cos they work late, she had Kevin used to come and stay 84 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,000 with me and his grandad, stay overnight. 85 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,960 Let's get you ready, or Mam'll be late for work. 86 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:32,960 Will you ring us in the morning? 87 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,160 We need to leave around nine, so can you call me at 7:30? 88 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 You be a good boy for Nana, OK? Mm-hm. 89 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,960 'The last contact I had with my mum was November 15, '89.' 90 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,800 I was going to stay at my grandma's for the evening 91 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:49,960 cos my mum was working, 92 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,960 and the following day, she was... 93 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,960 going to court for her separation. 94 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,000 She's not picking up. 95 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,960 You know our Julie, she'd sleep through a bombing raid. 96 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,480 When Julie didn't pick up, Ann and Kevin went round to check. 97 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,960 I have very little memory of from when we went down to the house, 98 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,000 apart from being in the car. 99 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,960 When I got there, all the curtains were closed, 100 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,960 doors were locked, and I didn't have a key. 101 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,480 I shouted through the letterbox - nothing at all. 102 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,960 My gut feeling straight away said there was something wrong. 103 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,960 She's knocking on the door, the window, 104 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,960 and, again, no answer. 105 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,640 Ann went to find her son, who was working nearby. 106 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,160 'He came round the house.' 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,640 And the back door had, like, narrow glass panels. 108 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,960 'We broke in that.' 109 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:00,960 It's all right, stay there. 110 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,000 'I was stood there with Kevin, 111 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,960 'who was obviously crying for his mammy. 112 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,960 'My son opened the curtains, opened the front window. 113 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,640 'He said, "There's something wrong in here, Mam." ' 114 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,960 "Everywhere's really tidy." 115 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 She was quite untidy, Julie. 116 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,960 There was nothing. 117 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,960 No sign of her at all and no keys anywhere. 118 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,960 She's probably got home from work, decided to go to a nightclub. 119 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Maybe she got drunk, she's sleeping it off somewhere. 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,960 I think the police didn't take it too seriously at the time 121 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,960 because initially it was within a 24-hour window. 122 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,960 In today's terms, a misper's not really a priority 123 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,800 until, I think, it's 48 hours. 124 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,960 It was very frustrating because, I mean, 125 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,960 it was totally out of character for her not to be there, 126 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,960 especially the fact that I had the young little boy with me. 127 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,960 There'd been no arguments, there'd been nothing, you know? 128 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,960 Julie was officially listed as missing 129 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,960 two days after she disappeared. 130 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,960 REPORTER: Julie, whose maiden name is Ming, 131 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,800 is five feet, three inches tall and slim with hazel eyes. 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,160 She was driven home in the early hours of November the 16th 133 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,960 but had vanished when her family called in the morning. 134 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,960 When Julie disappeared, 135 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,800 it was a front page story in the local press. 136 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,320 Everybody around here would have known about it, 137 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,960 but maybe not further afield. 138 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,960 Four days later, following pressure from Ann, 139 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,640 police sent in a forensics team. 140 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,960 There was fingerprint dust all over the place. 141 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,960 Then we went... At one point, we were in the bathroom. 142 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,960 There was me, my daughter, the head of the forensics 143 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,320 and the police lady. 144 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,960 And on the window was Julie's make-up bag. 145 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,960 I said, "You're suggesting she took off to London? 146 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,160 "She wouldn't go to the end of the road without her make-up on." 147 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 The police searched for five days... 148 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,960 ..but found nothing suspicious. 149 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,960 The inspector came to see us, and he said... 150 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,960 he couldn't guarantee us 151 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,960 that our daughter hasn't come to grief somewhere in the country 152 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,640 but could guarantee us 153 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,960 that nothing untoward has happened to her in the house. 154 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,000 So I said, "Well, if that's what you're telling me, 155 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,960 "me, as a mother, I'm telling you - 156 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,960 "I know something's happened to her." 157 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,960 Weeks had passed with no news of Julie's whereabouts. 158 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,960 Ann turned to the media. 159 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,960 She sat in front of the cameras, in front of the press, 160 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,960 giving this appeal from - definitely from the heart - 161 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,960 very emotive. 162 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,960 'And beside her, the most poignant thing was, 163 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,160 'there was Julie's little three-year-old boy.' 164 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:09,960 She would never just go off and leave Kevin, never at all. Never. 165 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,960 REPORTER: And were you and the rest of the family close? 166 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,480 Very close. Like I say, she saw us every day. 167 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,960 The last thing she said to me was, 168 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 "Don't forget to phone me at 7:30 in the morning to wake me up." 169 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,960 Just please phone anybody. 170 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Police, friend, anybody. 171 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Just let us know you're alive, Julie. That's all. 172 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,960 We, as a family, got the keys back. 173 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Myself and my dad were to move back into the property. 174 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,960 I went down to the house with my son-in-law 175 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,960 to go and bring our Julie's things out. 176 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,960 And then my son-in-law was gonna go down the next day 177 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,960 and start to clean the fingerprint dust, 178 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,960 which was all over the place, 179 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,960 and to switch the central heating on. 180 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,960 There was a strange smell 181 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,960 from the bathroom. 182 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,960 My dad rang my gran. 183 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,960 I said to him, "It might be the toilet. 184 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,160 "Put some bleach down the toilet and don't use the toilet." 185 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,960 So the next day, I drove down to the house. 186 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,960 When I got to the house, 187 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,960 he opened the door, and I said, "Have you got rid of the smell?" 188 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,960 'I've gone up the stairs to the bathroom.' 189 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Inside, I'm screaming to myself, 190 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,960 "Please, God, don't let it be Julie." 191 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,960 'I leaned over the bath to smell the wall, 192 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,960 'hoping that smell would be from the tiles being taken off. 193 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,320 CLATTERING 194 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,960 'The bath panel was loose. It was loose at one end. 195 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,960 'The smell had come up, 196 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,960 'so I just bent down and pulled it open.' 197 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,960 CLATTERING 198 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,960 'I'm screaming, "She's under the bath! 199 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,960 'She's under the bath." ' 200 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,960 SOBBING 201 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,960 I was at the bottom of the stairs when... 202 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,640 she had discovered... my mum's body. 203 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,960 What? SOBBING: She's under the bath. 204 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,960 It really was horrible. 205 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,960 I just wanted to get out the house and it not to be true. 206 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,960 That was the start of a living nightmare. 207 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,320 REPORTER: 22-year-old Julie was last seen alive 208 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,960 in the early hours of November the 16th last year. 209 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,960 SHERIDAN SMITH: But three months later, 210 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,960 Julie's mother found her body under the bath. 211 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Horrendous. 212 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,960 I sort of realised then she was never coming back, but... 213 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,960 I'd been proved right. 214 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,960 I'd said all along something had happened to her. 215 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,160 The police had said, you know, "No news is good news." 216 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Cleveland Police had searched the house for five days 217 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,160 and found nothing suspicious. 218 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,960 Julie had been there all along. 219 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,000 I, honestly and truthfully, 220 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,960 they were in that house all day for five days, I... 221 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,480 Even to this day, 222 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,000 I still do not know what they were doing in that house. 223 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,960 And in that moment I found her... 224 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,160 ..any hope of anything had all gone. 225 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,960 And I just wanted to know what had happened to her 226 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:52,960 and who was responsible. 227 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,960 SHERIDAN: You doing OK, Ann? Yeah. Yeah, I'm all right. 228 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:03,960 KEVIN: When the police were in the house after the body was discovered, 229 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,960 they found articles, my mum's diary, 230 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,960 bank cards in the loft - 231 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,800 which were missed on the first search. 232 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:12,960 Human error. 233 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,800 That's the only reason why I can think that something... 234 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,960 you know, the body wasn't found sooner. 235 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,960 The way the search was handled was catastrophically bad, 236 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,960 not just in terms of the way that Ann was left 237 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,000 and found her own daughter's body behind a bath, 238 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,960 but not least because they lost three months of forensic evidence 239 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,960 with a body that, unfortunately, had decomposed. 240 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,960 REPORTER: Today, detectives launched a full-scale murder hunt 241 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,960 involving 40 officers. 242 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 MARK BRAITHWAITE: Well, going back to 1989, 243 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,640 I was a young detective sergeant. 244 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,800 I was 30 years of age. 245 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,480 When the missing person investigation became a murder case, 246 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,960 Mark Braithwaite joined as case officer. 247 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,960 Well, it was clear that she'd been killed. 248 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,960 It was clear that her body had been badly mutilated. 249 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,160 And it was clear that her body had been concealed behind the bath panel 250 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,960 by whoever was responsible. 251 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,960 Our job was to identify who that person was. 252 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Mark here will be your family liaison officer. 253 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,960 This must be a very... difficult and frightening time for you both. 254 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,960 Difficult?! 255 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,960 Our daughter has been murdered. This is hell. 256 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Ann was understandably still traumatised and upset... 257 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,960 completely untrusting of Cleveland Police. 258 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,960 Detectives began with the most recent men in Julie's life. 259 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,480 As the investigation moved forward, 260 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,160 there were several people of potential interest to us. 261 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,960 Some of the men had links to a local rugby club. 262 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,960 But DNA from the blanket Julie was wrapped in 263 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,960 ruled out all but one. 264 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,960 One of these individuals came out as the prime suspect. 265 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,640 Local man - Billy Dunlop. 266 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Well known in the area. 267 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Played rugby... but with a fearsome reputation 268 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,960 as a violent, so-called hard man. 269 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,960 Dunlop lived two streets away from Julie, 270 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:39,960 and her keys were found hidden 271 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,000 under the floorboards at the house where he was staying. 272 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,960 WOMAN: Yes! Who's drunk? 273 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Right here at the beat. Whoo! 274 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,960 All right, Billy? On my radio! 275 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,960 On the night that Julie met her death, 276 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,320 Dunlop had been at the rugby club at Billingham with his pals. 277 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,960 They'd been drinking to excess. 278 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,000 There'd been strippers there, so they were sexually aroused. 279 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,960 He'd been involved in a nasty altercation with another man. 280 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,960 He had to be pulled off him to prevent him hurting him further. 281 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,960 And he'd received an injury to his eye 282 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,960 for which he required some hospital treatment. 283 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,960 After leaving hospital, Dunlop went to his friend's house - 284 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:39,960 next door to Julie's. 285 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,960 He'd indicated to his pal that he might pop around Julie's. 286 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,960 The witness evidence of his friend was that he left the house, 287 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,960 but he didn't see him go next door, 288 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,800 but he clearly did. 289 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,960 We were told by the police of him being arrested and charged... 290 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:01,960 with Julie's murder. 291 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,960 We didn't know anything about him, really. 292 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,960 I mean, just that he'd been involved with it... 293 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,960 in a fight, the night... 294 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,160 of the night Julie had been murdered. 295 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,960 More than a year later, 296 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,960 Billy Dunlop went on trial for murder. 297 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,960 REPORTER: The opening of the murder trial today 298 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,960 follows a high-profile police investigation. 299 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,960 The accused, William Dunlop, 300 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,000 is said to have gone round to Julie's house expecting sex. 301 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 I can picture him just sat down there. 302 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,960 'Then when it went to the court at Newcastle... 303 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,960 'you couldn't believe, you know, the evidence they had against him. 304 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,960 There was the fingerprints on the key fob. 305 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,960 On the blanket, there was sperm that matched his. 306 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,000 There was fibres from his jumper he wore the night at the rugby club. 307 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,960 As a prosecution team, we felt the evidence in the case 308 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,960 was, although not conclusive, 309 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,960 was sufficiently strong to satisfy a jury as to his guilt. 310 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960 In court, Ann had to relive finding Julie's body. 311 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:23,960 Even though she was wrapped in a blanket, 312 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,960 I knew that it was her, our Julie. 313 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,800 'The smell was unspeakable. 314 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,960 'It was in my lungs, it was everywhere.' 315 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,960 It was terrible, that. 316 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,960 Because the bloomin' defence barrister, he said to me, 317 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,960 "You know, which hand did you put behind the bath pan? 318 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,960 "Your right hand or your left hand?" 319 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,960 And all the time, I'm in the bathroom, getting flashbacks. 320 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,960 REPORTER: Julie Hogg is described as having been a promiscuous woman 321 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,960 who had previously had sex with the man now accused of her murder. 322 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,960 The way that the defence team ran... Dunlop's defence 323 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,000 was to effectively slurry Julie's character... 324 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 drag her reputation through the mud. 325 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,800 Dunlop didn't need to prove that he hadn't murdered Julie. 326 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,960 All he needed to do was get enough doubt into the minds of the jury. 327 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,960 While the defence attacked Julie's character, 328 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,960 they also had another strategy. 329 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,960 The defence case was effectively 330 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,960 that he'd possibly been framed by the police, 331 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:39,960 but it was not him. 332 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,960 He demonstrated in the witness box 333 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,960 the same careful, thoughtful, 334 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,960 manipulative approach 335 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,960 that I'd taken from the interviews. 336 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Dunlop had sown enough doubt in the jury's mind. 337 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960 They were unable to reach a verdict. 338 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 The judge had no option but to order a retrial. 339 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960 'At the second trial, the defence team was seeking 340 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,960 'to convince the jury, effectively, 341 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,960 'that Julie may have died a natural death. 342 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,960 'Through engaging in a consensual act, 343 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,000 'she had met her death in that way.' 344 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,320 Absurd though that seemed to us at the time. 345 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,960 It worked. 346 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,960 After 13 days, 347 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,960 the second jury were also unable to reach a verdict. 348 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,960 The judge ordered that Dunlop be acquitted. 349 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,960 HE GASPS 350 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,320 Yes! Oh! JUDGE: Order. 351 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,800 He's getting away with murder. 352 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,960 Get away from me! Look, I know... 353 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,960 No, he wasn't... I know... 354 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,960 But in another blow to the family, 355 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,480 an 800-year-old law called double jeopardy 356 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,480 meant he could never be tried again. 357 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Dunlop walked out of court a free man... 358 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,960 ..effectively knowing that even if he admitted to Julie's killing, 359 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,960 we couldn't charge him with murder again. 360 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,160 Ann had to watch the man 361 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,960 who she knew in her heart had murdered her daughter walk free. 362 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,960 Not only that, he was living in the same community as her. 363 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,960 To everyone else, Dunlop was now a victim, 364 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,960 wrongly prosecuted. 365 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960 And now he wanted to tell HIS story. 366 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,960 I was so... so relieved, but, er... 367 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,320 I'm so confused, 368 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,960 you know, with everything that's gone on in the last 20 months. 369 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960 I don't know. I just, er... 370 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,000 Just... It is just a relief that it's all over with now. 371 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,480 What do you think of the murderer? 372 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Well, I haven't got words that, er, 373 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,320 could explain, er, express that-that person. 374 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,960 Off camera, Billy couldn't help bragging 375 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,960 that he'd gotten away with murder. 376 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,960 After his acquittal, his family held a party for him. 377 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,960 And within weeks, he was bragging in pubs. 378 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,960 People were telling my grandparents of what he was saying. 379 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,960 The morning after the party, and everyone is recovering. 380 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,960 You've got no justice for your daughter. 381 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,960 And you've got a man out in local pubs bragging he killed her. 382 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,800 Billy's laid there feeling ill. 383 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,640 It was just awful. 384 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960 This is when the trees are all... 385 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,640 Yeah, the gardens are all nice, and the flowers are out. Yeah. Yeah. 386 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,160 SHERIDAN SMITH: Kevin Hogg was just three when his mum was murdered. 387 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960 Growing up, I knew something was wrong. 388 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,960 I was 13... 389 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,960 ..and I'd heard rumours. 390 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960 A friend had told me that she'd slipped in the bath, 391 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,960 and I didn't know what to believe. 392 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,960 Like, my natural instincts were to believe my parents. 393 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,000 And then I really didn't know what to do. 394 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,960 It must have been really damaging for him. 395 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,960 The family, presumably, trying to put on a brave face 396 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,960 and look after him 397 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,960 and remember that they mustn't upset him too much. 398 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960 Ten years later, he came across the truth. 399 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,960 By then, Dunlop was in prison for attacking another woman. 400 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960 But he couldn't be charged with Julie's murder again 401 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,960 because of the double jeopardy law. 402 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,640 Finding out the news 403 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,960 that my mum had been murdered was absolutely horrific. 404 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,960 Having to digest what had actually happened to my mum 405 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,960 and being told that my... 406 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,960 the person who had killed my mum was in prison 407 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,960 but not for the offence 408 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,960 was just phenomenal on my mental health, 409 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,960 level of understanding of how a person can kill someone 410 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,800 and not be convicted of that crime. 411 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,960 I wanted justice for, like, for all the family, 412 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,960 and I wanted justice for Kevin, 413 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,960 because it was difficult to him to comprehend. 414 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,960 It seemed cut and dried, you know. They had evidence against him. 415 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,480 And because of a jury failing to reach a decision, 416 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,640 he was walking free and bragging he'd killed his mam. 417 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,160 It was awful, really. 418 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,960 Knowing that his mother hadn't received justice left Kevin scarred. 419 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,960 Between the ages of 18 and 20, 420 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,960 I went completely off the rails with alcohol, drugs. 421 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,960 Erm... It just really wasn't pleasant. 422 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,960 I... I had no respect for... or regard to my family. 423 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,960 And it was just going to end in a bad way. 424 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,960 It's only in subsequent years, as time's gone on, 425 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,960 I've learned to understand and become at peace with certain things. 426 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,320 Dunlop thought he was untouchable, 427 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,960 and he still couldn't keep quiet about what he'd done. 428 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,960 At some point, Dunlop decides, for whatever reason, 429 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,960 that he's going to write a letter to an ex-girlfriend, 430 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,640 then he wrote a letter to one of his friends. 431 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,960 And both these letters had the same thing in common - 432 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,960 that he was admitting to the murder of Julie Hogg. 433 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960 By lying about Julie's murder in court, 434 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960 Dunlop had perjured himself. 435 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960 But detectives needed more evidence. 436 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,960 Well, that was the problem. 437 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,640 That's all he was basically saying. 438 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,960 "People know I've killed Julie, but I've actually killed her." 439 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,960 So they weren't very sort of detailed, anything like that. 440 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960 It was just a simple admission. 441 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960 Dunlop was speaking with a prison officer who wore a wire. 442 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960 She recorded 90 hours of material with him. 443 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,960 Over a three-month period, he admitted to killing Julie again. 444 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,960 A bit more about what had gone on, but nothing in any detail. 445 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160 But that was enough. 446 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,960 Dunlop was arrested and taken to Stockton Police Station. 447 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,960 He's very, very calm and collected. 448 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960 Didn't rush anything. 449 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,960 I suppose you'd say his normal demeanour. 450 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,960 At some point, he states 451 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Julie starts winding him up about his injuries. 452 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,960 And I suppose you could say that's like a red rag to a bull. 453 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,960 He just lost it, and then he strangled her and killed her. 454 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,960 The police came to see us, and they said, 455 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,160 "We've got... We're telling you now, 456 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160 "we can charge him with two counts of perjury." 457 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,160 So at that time, I mean, perjury was a poor substitute for murder, 458 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,960 but it was better than no conviction at all. 459 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960 REPORTER: Today, he spoke only twice. 460 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960 That was to plead guilty to each charge of perjury. 461 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960 On the count of perjury, 462 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,960 you will be imprisoned for six years 463 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,480 to be served consecutive to your current sentence. 464 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960 MUTTERING 465 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,960 You murdering bastard! Ann. 466 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,800 Six years for murdering my daughter! 467 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,960 I'll see you rot in hell, you bastard. 468 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960 REPORTER: Today, Mrs Ming had listened in tears 469 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,960 to the harrowing details of her daughter's death 470 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320 and had made an angry outburst in court 471 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,960 when the judge passed sentence. 472 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,480 I came out that court that day, and I said to me husband, I said, 473 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,960 "I am not gonna sit back 474 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960 "and let them do nothing about this double jeopardy." 475 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,000 I think it was a pivotal moment for Ann. 476 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,960 This nightmare was just going to continue. 477 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:43,960 And so, suddenly, her campaign to get justice for Julie 478 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,960 focused not on individual trials, 479 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,960 but a really fundamental, important thing, 480 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,960 which was changing the law. 481 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,960 Ann went straight to the top, 482 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,960 asking her MP to help her and Charlie meet the Home Secretary. 483 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,320 REPORTER: Stockton MP Frank Cook 484 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,960 is personally handing a letter from the family to Jack Straw. 485 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,960 It worked. 486 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,960 Within days, they were walking into the Home Office. 487 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,960 I said, "This man's making a mockery of the British justice system." 488 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,960 I said, "You can confess in a court of law in England 489 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960 "that you're responsible for a murder, 490 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960 "and you can only be charged with perjury 491 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,960 "because of an 800-year-old law." 492 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,960 I said, "That's not right." 493 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,960 OK, well, tell me this. 494 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960 What would you do if you were in our situation? 495 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960 If you're to have any chance of success, 496 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960 you'll have to get the Law Commission on your side. 497 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,960 All right, well, give me the name of the person 498 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,960 I need to speak to there, then, please. 499 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,960 You've got grit. I'll give you that. 500 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,960 We've been wronged, Jack. How can I stay silent? 501 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960 SHERIDAN SMITH: Ann's daughter Julie was murdered in 1989. 502 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,960 The prime suspect had walked free from court, officially innocent 503 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960 but later boasting about his crime. 504 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,960 That's the one where you made the request to meet the Law Commission, 505 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,960 and they'd written back. Oh, yeah. 506 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,960 Alan Wilkie. Judge Alan Wilkie, yeah. 507 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,960 Ann was now fighting to change the law so he could be tried again. 508 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Ann's approach to this was to be utterly committed 509 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,960 and utterly selfless. 510 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,000 If someone showed interest in Ann's case, 511 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,960 she was happy to talk to them, 512 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,960 and she made sure that this was never far from the headlines. 513 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,960 Not everyone wanted double jeopardy scrapped. 514 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,960 Critics worried that innocent people could be tried again and again. 515 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,960 MAN: Stand by, please. 516 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,960 Ann faced Imran Khan, 517 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,960 who had exposed police failings in the Stephen Lawrence murder case. 518 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960 With all its power and resources, 519 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960 the State shouldn't be permitted to make repeated, 520 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,960 theoretically unlimited attempts to convict a man 521 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,960 when he doesn't have the analogous resources 522 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,000 to find the evidence that clears him. 523 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,960 MAN: Would you agree, Mrs Ming? 524 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960 Would you be happy with a perjury sentence 525 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,320 because of an 800-year-old law? 526 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,960 As a person, I don't mean as a lawyer. 527 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,640 KHAN: No, no, no. I agree with you... 528 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,960 Would you be happy with a perjury sentence? 529 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,960 Of course I wouldn't. 530 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Well, that answers it all. 531 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960 I think you should stop the cameras now because that answers it all. 532 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,000 Ann was invited to meet the legal experts reviewing double jeopardy - 533 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,960 the Law Commission. 534 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,160 She knew this was her chance. 535 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,960 When we got there, it was the full panel. 536 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,000 They were absolutely lovely. 537 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,960 They said, "Off the record, you know, we're all fathers." 538 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,960 There wasn't a dry eye on the panel. 539 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,960 "Cos we're all fathers, how would we feel? 540 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960 "Would we be happy with a perjury sentence?" 541 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,960 No, they wouldn't. 542 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960 We know there are several other families around the country 543 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,960 in your situation, and we were hoping... 544 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,960 35. I beg your pardon? 545 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,320 Other cases, that is. 546 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,480 I've met most of them. 547 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,320 They are just as desperate for the law to be changed as us. 548 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,960 He said, "Can I use your letter to go to government?" 549 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,960 I said, "You can use me, never mind my letter." 550 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,480 He said, "It's the most compelling case in the country, 551 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,960 "cos you got the confession in court." 552 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,480 Dunlop had confessed to Julie's murder 553 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960 and laughed at the law that protected him. 554 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,960 But after 13 years, Ann's campaign was finally breaking through. 555 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,960 This white paper is designed to rebalance 556 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,960 the criminal justice system 557 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,960 in favour of the victim and the delivery of justice for all. 558 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,960 On the morning that Ann was going to hear the decision, 559 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,960 I was on a train with Ann, filming her. 560 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,960 In the white paper, 561 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960 we are praying that the recommendations 562 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,160 to the changes to the double jeopardy law 563 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,960 will be made retrospective, 564 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,960 which is what we desperately need to obtain justice for Julie. 565 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,480 You can imagine, we were all nervous, 566 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960 and we had an inkling that the law was going to be changed, 567 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,960 but we didn't know if it was going to be changed retrospectively. 568 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,320 'As David Blunkett stood up in the House of Commons...' 569 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,960 Hello. Hello there, my name's Ann Ming. I'm here... 570 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,320 This is for you, Mrs Ming. 571 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960 '..Ann collected a copy of the white paper, 572 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,960 'desperate to know if the changes would apply to older cases.' 573 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960 SHE EXHALES 574 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960 It's retrospective! 575 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960 The double jeopardy law is gonna be retrospective. 576 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,160 God, I can't believe it. SHE SOBS 577 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,480 13 years of fighting and campaigning, oh, God. 578 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,960 I just can't believe it. 579 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,960 Oh, God. For once in my life, I'm speechless. 580 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,320 She was crying, Kevin was crying, Charlie was crying. 581 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,960 I was crying, the cameraman was crying, everybody was crying. 582 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960 We were absolutely overwhelmed 583 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,960 to think that all her battling and all her hard work had succeeded. 584 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,800 The law had cleared its first hurdle, 585 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,960 but the House of Lords could stop it all. 586 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,960 They're a bunch of old conservative white men in the main. 587 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,960 They're not generally keen on dismantling ancient English laws. 588 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,960 We got our appointment to go to the House of Lords. 589 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,320 I wasn't nervous about addressing the House of Lords. 590 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,960 It was the fact that I wanted to win them round 591 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,640 to see that the common-sense approach 592 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960 with the double jeopardy reform was the way forward. 593 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,960 Look, I'm gonna tell you how it feels to lose a child... 594 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960 ..and how it feels to be shafted by the law. 595 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,800 My daughter had a right to life, Dunlop took her life away. 596 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,000 We have a right to justice. 597 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960 And for us and other families who have had acquittals, 598 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960 the only way forward and to make this happen 599 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960 is to change the double jeopardy law. 600 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,640 They agreed. 601 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,960 And in April 2005, an 800-year-old law was swept away. 602 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,480 Billy Dunlop's protection evaporated. 603 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,960 REPORTER: Ann Ming heading for London 604 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,320 to see Billy Dunlop in the dock at the Old Bailey. 605 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,000 The extraordinary thing was that Ann had got Billy Dunlop, 606 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,320 the man who she believed had murdered her daughter, 607 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,960 into the dock of the Old Bailey, Number One Court. 608 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,960 She looked him straight in the eye, and he could not look at her. 609 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,960 The judge, David Calvert-Smith, 610 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,320 asked Dunlop was he guilty of killing Julie. 611 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,480 I can't tell you what it felt like to hear him say "guilty". 612 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,960 It's taken nearly 17 years, 613 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,960 but we've finally heard Billy Dunlop confess in court 614 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960 that he's murdered our daughter. 615 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,960 It was hugely emotionally charged. 616 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,960 I suspect, one of immense relief and satisfaction 617 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,960 that she, Ann, fundamentally had championed this change 618 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,800 and that she'd been able to secure justice 619 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,960 for the murder of her daughter. 620 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,960 In the end, the man who'd mocked the law for 17 years 621 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,960 was sentenced to life behind bars. 622 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,960 'I've carried this case for 18 of my 32 years' police service 623 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,960 'in some shape or form.' 624 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,640 It's been my privilege to support Ann and the family throughout. 625 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960 I think Ann's legacy is the fact 626 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,640 that she had an 800-year-old law changed. 627 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,160 But also, she didn't stop. 628 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,960 She's gone round to police conferences all over the country 629 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,960 trying to explain what it's like to be a victim 630 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,160 and relatives of the victim. 631 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,960 Obviously, this case has been a privilege to work on, 632 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960 as far as I'm concerned. 633 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,960 It's Ann's case. 634 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,960 Ann deserves all the praise. 635 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,960 She's highly, highly motivated 636 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960 and obviously an inspiration to everyone that meets her. 637 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,800 She'll never, ever give up at all. 638 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,960 I think she portrayed me really well, absolutely, 639 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000 because it was like... 640 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,960 it was like watching myself, actually, watching it. 641 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,320 I cried all the way through it 642 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,960 because I was feeling all the emotions that I was feeling 643 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,640 at the time when she was taking the part. 644 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,960 She's so resilient now because she's been through so much. 645 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,960 Even in your darkest moments, you get through them, and... 646 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,960 she's just a prime example of that. 647 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,960 She's amazing. 648 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,000 A lot of people seem to think 649 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,960 I had a team of lawyers backing me all the way, but I didn't. 650 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,960 I was like... you know, family support and Kevin, 651 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960 but I was like a one-man band. 652 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960 Me against the world. LAUGHS 653 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,480 That's what I felt like at times. 654 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960 She kept on fighting for all those years, 655 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,480 and eventually she got the double jeopardy law changed. 656 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,960 She's made such a big impact. 657 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,960 I hope that my mum would be proud of what my nan has achieved 658 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,960 for something that's so natural as a parent, to fight for your child. 659 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,960 I've got lots of things that I remember about Julie. 660 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,640 About a year before she was murdered, 661 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,960 we'd gone into town. 662 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,640 She had about five-inch orange high heels on. 663 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,960 "Mam, swap shoes, my feet are killing me." 664 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,960 So I'm walking around the town 665 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960 with a pair of five-inch orange shoes on, you know. 666 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960 She was, erm... 667 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,960 No, she was one on her own, was Julie, you know? Yeah. 668 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960 'Ann refused to give up. 669 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,640 'She made history by rewriting British law 670 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,960 'and opened the door for justice for other families. 671 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960 'All for the love of her Julie.' 672 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 52052

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