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I know that I did everything in my power

as an individual as a scientist as a

learned person

to find a logical explanation for what I

witnessed and photographed I have yet to

find it if anything

it has opened up a whole new world to me

that I never knew existed

it's time we get this out in the open

address it

accept it and study it when there's a

documentary that shows that there's a

whole bunch of us

that have managed to suspend our

disbelief long enough to listen to each

other

and to inquire and to share

that it really brings the sharing closer

and more people will come forward and

share

and pretty soon it'll be a Groundswell

the whole purpose is to educate people

educate young people because they'll

they'll come a time where they're going

to have to deal with this and it

shouldn't be through fear I'm excited

that children might have the chance to

really examine data themselves to not be

convinced by the opinions of people

before them positively or negatively but

to really have data that they can start

making their own decision we have to

learn it at all generational levels and

bringing the children up to understand

these phenomenon is vital

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thank you

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thank you

foreign

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everything

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it's important that children think know

more about UFOs so they know more about

other living beings if I saw a spaceship

hovering over I would I would be

ecstatic it's important for people to

keep their hearts open for people from

other planets

I wouldn't know what to think oh no I

was definitely being visited by other

intelligent life I wouldn't believe it I

would probably feel like really cool

like honored that like other life forms

were visiting me about people that would

be proof that there was some other life

form there the same with us but nobody's

the same as anybody

I would freak

I would just freak out I guess

excitement you know what what what's

this going to mean I would know how they

would want to approach me I would

probably be startled and surprised or if

they would be friendly I would work very

hard to figure out how to make first

Contact or if we could understand each

other right off I would try to be as

non-threatening as possible I would be a

little frightened and try to find out

what's going on

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in 1995 it was my husband and I

witnessed three Amber orbs in a triangle

formation one on top and two closely

aligned underneath very close to our

home about 100 yards from our home

hovering above a private desert area it

was startling and it was amazing

at the same time there was nothing there

but Blackness and these three Amber orbs

and something told me to take everything

in the size the shape the color the

distance they were about three to six

feet each depending on how close or far

away they were they were definitely oval

shape

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and the amber color within each orb and

I call them an ore because the light did

not extend Outside The Edge at all it

was totally self-contained it was very

uniform amber color and it didn't glare

at all every other light out there

glares and we have a beautiful panoramic

view of the city skyline so we know what

helicopters and plane lights and street

lights and so forth every light out

there glares these did not very soothing

very mesmerizing and I thought if I

don't get a picture of this nobody's

going to believe it and as I ran to the

closet to get my camera my husband calls

me back he says get over here quick one

of them is disappearing

and as I rush back we both watched in

awe as the top orb started to dim as if

on a dimmer switch it didn't budge at

all it didn't waver it didn't take off

it just dimmed as if it was on a dimmer

switch as if once it disappeared it was

still there but we didn't see it anymore

I got onto the balcony shot a quick

picture of the two bottom orbs and

immediately noticed an eerie silences as

if time had stopped

it was quite extraordinary and as I'm

staring at these two bottom orbs

I have to admit it seemed that there was

intelligent presence staring back the

thoughts going through my mind were who

are you what are you do you know that

I'm here I'd love to meet you

and the next thing I remember the left

bottom orb started to disappear and I

quickly shot a picture of that

and that was the only pictures that

turned out at the time but for me it was

quite amazing because it verified that

something did happen I caught a picture

of it amazingly as one was disappearing

and one was still there I put it on my

mantel and kind of watched it for a

little bit and wondered if I'd ever find

out what this was

eventually put the picture away but I

have to tell you that even though the

picture was out of sight the thought and

the memory wasn't out of my mind did not

see anything for two years two years

passed

and not a hint of anything even remotely

close to these Amber orbs

January 22nd 1997 I noticed three Amber

orbs now at a distance far west on the

horizon

and I'm thinking

wait a minute even though they're in a

line formation they were Amber they were

in a formation they were hovering for

minutes strangely similar to the 95

incident the next night the three Amber

orbs are now in front of South Mountain

and I knew they were in front of South

Mountain because there's red blinking

warning lights for the airplanes that

are coming into Sky Harbor just in front

of South Mountain and this was

definitely lower

and in front of South Mountain and I

thought enough I'm getting my video

camera I ran downstairs I grabbed my

video camera I got out to the pool area

I took about 18 seconds worth the

battery went dead

I walk inside hook up the battery run

outside they're gone

now this was about eight o'clock about a

half hour later my husband comes up the

drive and I

dingerly walk outside and I said honey

remember I told you about the Amber orbs

Far West last night while about a half

hour ago they were right in front of

South Mountain as I'm pointing like this

they reappear in the same spot

and I thought I have to get a picture of

this and I ran upstairs I grabbed my 35

millimeter get out onto the balcony as

I'm ready to shoot the three bottom orbs

suddenly six Amber orbs in a row total

equidistant from each other massive span

across pop-up above the three

then I started clicking away I happened

to get six pictures in a row as the

three bottom oars were disappearing

I caught this top formation which by the

way in retrospect was in the same

location and the same formation as two

months later

on March 13 1997 during the mass

sighting and I ran in to call the uh the

Arizona Republic because I wanted to get

somebody out there to tell me what it

was and I get an operator on the phone

and I said quickly you got to get

somebody out there there's some there's

some strange lights in front of South

Mountain

please get somebody out there take a

picture of it whatever but tell me what

it is as I finish my sentence they're

gone

by the next morning I I figured there

must be a logical explanation and I

called the Arizona city desk again and

and asked if anybody had called the

night before to report strange lights in

front of South Mountain the operator got

off she got right back on she said nope

nobody called well I know I called

so I said well we did see something that

was strange

um who can I call to find out what they

might be and she said well look at the

Air Force Base sometimes sends out

experimental Maneuvers and they don't

tell the public about them

and I thought oh

that might be a good lead and I I call

Luke Air Force Base I get a woman

Lieutenant on the phone and try to be

very professional I said my husband and

I are both Physicians we live out inside

in Paradise Valley and we saw some

strange lights in front of South

Mountain last night do you know what

they might have been and from the get-go

she had an attitude and she said well

they didn't come into look Air Force

Base and they didn't come out from here

so we had nothing to do with them

I said well

be that as it may we did see them we

both saw them and I did get some on

video somebody has to know what they

were they were they were really really

strange she said well

you mentioned it was in front of South

Mountain maybe somebody saw something at

the airport which is in front of South

Mountain

and I thought oh that's a great idea so

now it was a mission I had to find out

what this was I got the FAA on the phone

I I told them the same thing and he said

actually there were three at eight

o'clock

they looked on radar they didn't show up

on radar the three disappeared at 8 30

the six popped up the air traffic

controllers at Sky Harbor Airport saw it

saw the same lights but did not see them

on radar

and they've seen flares before in fact

from their advantage point the tower

they wouldn't be able to see over the

angle of the mountains and see over into

the berry Goldwater range after he

picked up binoculars to look

it was that unusual they were six points

of light that seemed to be attached to

something but they couldn't see what it

was attached to

slowly moving in synchrony as he

says he pandem behind South Mountain so

I said where were they

and there was silence

and finally he says beats me

yeah

and no one seems to be able to explain

what it was only six Amber orbs in a row

total equidistant from each other there

are another 10 000 arizonans who saw the

same investigators call

largest

sighting ever the availability of

witnesses was extraordinary the data

speaks for itself plus I have

photographs that cannot be explained or

denied thousands of people saw more than

stars in the night sky the mystery

remains unsolved and controversial last

night shortly after 8 PM hundreds maybe

thousands of arizonans reported seeing a

triangular shaped object with three

distinct lights people say they saw

strange lights all over the state there

was nothing there but Blackness and

these three Amber orbs the people who

saw the lights will say the lights were

orange they were bright and they were

big and they were like nothing they've

ever seen before and there's been no

official explanation it didn't look like

anything

I'd ever seen yeah eyewitnesses who

thought say it's like nothing they've

ever seen before

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on March 13th of 1997 I had left law

enforcement uh and I pursued uh Private

Investigations work and I was having to

be at 27th Avenue Van Buren doing some

paperwork

I just would look up every now and then

and I was remember I was writing the

writing my report and I just looked up

at something kind of caught my eye

because it seemed just to kind of be

floating and just you know just a

constant speed but you know I could

nothing that I could associate with I

went outside it must have been around

10-ish

and I'm looking off towards the North

and kind of coming in directly at me

are these three enormous lights and they

are moving incredibly slow

and it's really piqued my curiosity that

evening the hospice volunteers and I

were out on the patio discussing our

patients and discussing the work that we

were doing with hospice and we were so

engaged in conversation and looking at

each other in the eye that all of a

sudden when somebody in our group said

oh my gosh what is that up above we all

looked up at the same time and saw this

amazing huge dark

silent object that appeared to just be

right over our heads it was awesome I

mean we were telling ourselves not to

Blink it was very close to the ground it

was just like floating over the house

tops Pilots tell me when they make the

left turn to go towards the Salt River

to the north that the altitude is less

than three thousand feet the object I

saw and my wife saw went under this

plane the first thing that struck me is

that they were just in a v-shaped

formation well it's at night and guys

wouldn't have been flying in a v-shaped

formation and a Vic we'd call it a Vic

so they would be in a Vic and then all

of a sudden I realized wow I don't see

any navigation lights or anti-collision

lights so now I'm looking at Five Lights

passing overhead silently

at a very slow rate and it also occurred

to me that they were flying too slow to

stay in the air if it was an aircraft

many of the witnesses to the March 13th

event described a V formation of Five

Lights with two lights trailing in fact

there are a couple of witnesses that

describe the two lights docking and

undocking onto the array of Five Lights

now here we have in Dr kitai's

photographs a full two months before the

Phoenix sighting we have five lights in

a V formation and two trailing lights

so obviously this object was around

for a long time before then just

something made it decide that it was

going to fly over the entire State on

the night of March 13th

we could not see the whole object from

front to back from side to side it was

so big I would gauge this object to be

several football fields

I mean like a mile maybe more than a

mile maybe even two it was huge and it

just kept going over our heads and going

and going and going and it seemed like

we could actually just reach up and

touch it it was so low I like to use the

the old peace sign you know stretch it

out but it was something like this and

as it passed all we could really see was

the left wing of The Craft as it passed

in front of us that was how low it was

as it passed and as it started to pass

in front of us I put my hand up to where

the nose of The Craft was and I took my

other arm out to where the end of the

wing was and it was well over 30 inches

and I said to my wife at the time I said

that's a mile long the lights did not

move relative to each other had they

been in a formation of separate aircraft

there would have been a slight relative

movement I would have perceived and they

stayed pretty much just locked in

position

so I'm pretty sure

it was a single aircraft wider than any

other aircraft flying today it was quite

obvious to me this was not a

conventional aircraft as the craft flew

overhead

the lights resembled can lights like you

see in the ceiling so fairly defined as

circles

in this v-shape formation but no harsh

glare to them

struck me was the sheer size of these

lights it was an orangish amber light

and it was so rich and lustrous it's

almost as if the objects seemed to be

made comprised of the light itself which

is strange but imagine if you could that

light would have material property the

physical property it was almost as if

the orb was crafted out of light

they are absolutely perfect in every

aspect of of you know every geometrical

aspect that could be observed they were

perfectly uniformly round they were

perfectly uniformly equidistant video

doesn't do it justice in real life

they're huge they're Amber Amber there's

no flaring they're like a bowl uh on the

video they flicker they're white they're

much smaller but nonetheless the

formations themselves are compelling

when it got directly over my head and I

mean I'm talking dead center here I was

right underneath this thing

and I look up it was like

there was no filament in this thing they

appear to be in a canister there was

light swimming around in this shape or

form they didn't glare there was they

did not emit a like a beam like a

floodlight like Landing aircraft land

they seemed to be some depth to them I

noticed there was a try angle-shaped

three huge lights and they weren't

beaming down like Landing lights they

were just Big Balls of light but very

pretty they blocked out stars as they

moved you could not see objects Beyond

them as they would pass in front of them

in between these lights though it did

seem somewhat denser it seemed darker

like there was a shape or form going on

there that was holding these things

together it was like looking through

water and if you've ever seen that

little wave emotion and so forth that's

what that's like absolutely struck me as

being Eerie the unbelief

immense sizes

would have to be controlled by something

that had a pretty strong engine just to

sustain flight

there was not a buzz there was not a hum

that a jet engine there was not a prop

engine there was not a jet prop engine

there was absolutely no sound at all

just three beautiful lights coming

towards us

and it just it seemed to move

effortlessly just glided right over this

was one solid object one craft one big

large Boomerang everybody that called me

said the same thing it was huge it was

slow

it was low it was totally silent they

could see some light somewhere between

five and nine lights on it at any given

time

the lights were not like spotlights they

were more like glowing

gaseous Globes what struck me

immediately about the Phoenix Lights

incident was the sheer number of

witnesses

the availability of the witnesses it was

this is peak time for the comet hail box

that seemed to come out of nowhere a few

few months earlier it brought thousands

of people out of their homes in the

early evening to see what the comet

would look like as it got closer and

closer and when you think about

thousands of people

living along the most populated Corridor

of Arizona outside on a very clear quiet

night looking up purposely in the sky

for a glimpse of the hail Bob comet

when the phenomenon passed right over

their heads 30 miles an hour some people

did see it take off at a tremendous

speed I think they went out of their way

to let us know that they're here that

was a parade that came right through

right through Sky Harbor airspace

protected airspace right through

downtown Phoenix when we first started

getting the calls it was more in the

north area of Phoenix and as the calls

progressed it was traveling Central

Phoenix and South Phoenix

everyone said described it the same way

it was five lights or seven lights V or

wedge-shaped it was low they said very

low it was huge people said it was mile

wide some people saw the lights attached

to the v-shaped craft

but most of them did not see the craft

they just saw the lights in the v-shape

the one called that stands out most is

the lady that lived on the base of South

Mountain and she said it flew literally

over her head she could see the craft

and I remember her saying it was silent

couldn't even hear a hum

and it just that one really I could I

really pictured the craft from her

description the objects that were

witnessed were clearly uh they were

intending to be seen in terms of

appearing over Mass the concentration of

population of the whole state so coming

down I-17

virtually from stem to stern we're

talking the entire State of Arizona from

as early as 5 30 PM all the way to as

late as two o'clock in the morning

it was not one event or two events but

it was many events ten thousand people

approximately witnessed this one of the

largest uh experience of the sword ever

recorded the Phoenix Lights phenomena

didn't seem to be falsifiable in any way

it was being validated by most everybody

that saw it we had hundreds of calls

they were all saying the same thing you

could tell they weren't on drugs or

drunk they weren't Kooks they were

legitimate people calling we just

couldn't believe it nothing like this

has ever happened I worked there 24

years

never ever had calls like this ever we

found quickly that there was a complete

cross-section in the Phoenix Lights

Witnesses of our society from truck

drivers to attorneys to doctors lawyers

Aerospace people military air traffic

controllers on duty who could see the

lights but not see them on radar

we all were swamped with the light the

strange lights in the sky calls there

are about 15 of us and they all said

about the same we we just said the same

thing we didn't know what to say I mean

it never happened before and you know we

aren't trained in in asking UFO

questions so we just we just tried to

reassure them that you know

we're doing what we can which the

officers are aware of it I said all

right the police helicopters are up so

we're doing what we can do just from

what

read in the The Press accounts I think

they profoundly affected a lot of people

you've heard their voices they just were

astounded when they saw those lights

they knew it wasn't something of this

Earth it wasn't flares it wasn't a

helicopter

it wasn't anything they'd ever seen

before it was totally not of this Earth

my emotion was that of uh just kind of

wonderment and trying to figure out what

am I looking at what am I seeing here I

wasn't frightened I was just

in awe of it because it was so abnormal

I don't remember anyone being frightened

they were just amazed and excited and

like unbelievable what's going on

because they just wanted to know what is

going on you know what is that do you

know they're you know usually when you

call the police you get answers and we

didn't have answers for them because we

didn't know either

none of us was apprehensive about what

we were seeing this was a very

interesting part looking back on it and

I especially was very

very intrigued and excited with the idea

that this is something miraculous that's

happening right now this was a planned

event it was not accidental it was very

well orchestrated to say the least even

an elegant production if you will I was

looking at the newspaper to see if there

was any information on the strange

lights in the sky I found a very small

article where it quoted a Phoenix police

spokesperson who said the 911 Center

only got a few calls on the matter and I

thought this is ridiculous so that night

when I went into work I talked to my

supervisor and I asked her you know what

gives you know that's not true she said

I know but I I have no idea you know why

they said that and I was just thinking

to myself on the cover-up begins already

after I heard all of this over the next

couple of months I thought something

really strange has happened and I want

to know what it is

it was Jim dellatosa that suggested to a

producer that was in interviewing us for

the Phoenix Lights that if they wanted

to try to get a public official to make

it a statement they should just go down

to City Hall and see if they could

corner someone well they've happened to

catch Francis barwood when she was on

her way into a city council meeting as I

was going into the meeting I would stop

by a reporter and she had with her a TV

cameraman and a microphone man and they

started asking me about these lights

that went over Phoenix and I thought

something had just happened and I said

when did this happen and she said well

it was actually March 13th

and she said we asked the city what it

was if they could find out and the

answer from the mayor's office was we

don't have UFOs over Phoenix and I

thought that was a pretty strange thing

being that nobody had said it was a UFO

they just wanted to find out what it was

so I went into the meeting and came my

turn and I said there were these

reporters a reporter outside and had to

ask some questions about these lights

that went over Phoenix last March 13th

and could we find out what it was

and she thought it was a fair question

was asked of her and she wanted to know

herself and she asked the question and

Chambers and uh got quite a an

interesting reaction everybody just kind

of turned around and looked at me like

why did you ask that

and it was like this silence

and I and I felt kind of uneasy and then

somebody one of the other council

members made some kind of a joke

and they went on they didn't assign me

two staff members they didn't say who

was going to look into it they didn't

say who was going to get back to me and

I thought that was really unusual

after the meeting was over one of the

assistant city managers came up to me

and and said you shouldn't have asked

that question

and this is the first I heard about it I

mean nothing else was ever discussed

with me at any any point and I said why

and he said well because it's something

that they don't want to deal with and I

said what do you mean is well you know

the mayor's office didn't want to have

to make any kind of a statement they

already issued a statement and and it

just didn't want to have to go into it

and I thought this was you know so

unusual something flies over our

airspace flies over our Airport's

airspace

is seen by pilots and and flight crew

and

um tower crew and everything and they

are afraid for me to bring up this

question you know when this all started

the reason that I asked the question

about this

um incident that happened on on March 13

1997 which has come to be known as the

Phoenix Lights

was because I thought you know this is a

public safety issue and we need to know

whatever it was in case it comes back in

case you know it happens again or in

case uh there's a danger to the people

or buildings or whatever because we have

antennas that are high and I couldn't

understand the negative reaction that I

got for asking this when I thought that

was a to me a perfectly innocent

question well if she was pilloried in

the press and made fun of uh the

positive effect however it was that

hundreds of people came out of the

woodwork and made phone calls to her

office and her home my answer machine at

work

totally filled up

since they couldn't get any more calls

into my office they started calling

other council members office leaving

messages for me

they called the mayor's office leaving

messages for me

we estimate we got several thousand

phone calls

we decided to call back every single one

of them

over the next couple of months

I personally talked to over 700 people

everybody but one

everybody but one told the exact same

story

and the one was the one that they

publicized which was a kid who said they

saw and they were airplanes well you

know when you have like 700 to one

saying this was not airplanes I had

active military retired military police

officers firemen

um little league coaches that were out

that night with the whole Little League

side the parents side people jogging

people shopping that was really an

important uh single event in opening up

the case for us was Francis borrowed and

I gave her a lot of credit for her

courage especially

holding forth and holding up through all

the criticism that she got I believe she

was very courageous and um it's it's

going to take more people like her and

like Dr Lam the author of The Phoenix

Lights coming out and lending

credibility and lending their name to a

phenomenon that I believe is very real

and needs to be studied

wrote a letter to Senator McCain

Senator McCain sent his letter to the

National Archives

in his letter he didn't say I was a

councilwoman he said he had a citizen

who wanted to know what happened on

March 13 1997.

and um the letter the tone of the whole

tone of the letter was like

kind of sarcastic

and I found out that when you send

something to the National Archives

they don't answer they file it the

ultimate

um shall we say

um insult was the governor of the state

of Arizona five symington finally

calling a news conference saying that he

has finally got the answer to the

Phoenix Lights and he introduces some

staff member dressed up as a space alien

give me a break

if we continue to treat this particular

issue that way we are doing a disservice

to our children generations and

generations down the road right after

his press conference I started getting

so many phone calls people saying I

can't believe what he did and you know

this is serious and

it was very upsetting to a lot of people

and people got very angry because here

is the top elected official of the state

making fun of what I estimate to be

close to probably 10 000 people saw this

pay attention to what went on here pay

attention in particular to the witnesses

the citizens because the government's

not going to provide the answers

don't lean on the government don't point

the finger don't go to court don't waste

your time because they're just doing

what they're supposed to be doing

they're trying to preserve the National

Security that's their job

it's important that they maintain

secrets

for our defense because there's a lot of

strife in the world still a lot of crazy

people or of course in the age of

terrorism

so let's not point the fingers at the

government let's open our arms and our

minds and our hearts to the citizens who

have extraordinary Tales to tell

when they came out a few several months

later five months later with the the

flare explanation I immediately knew

that that's not what we saw that was

just ridiculous flares go down they

don't float across the sky being in the

military I've launched those flares and

they were not flares because flares

fault you know up and down they don't

fall even in the wind they don't

maintain that altitude now

none of my callers ever said that they

were in a downward motion or flickering

out they were all all the colors they

were traveling most of them just saw the

lights five to seven lights some of the

colors did see the actual V or

wedge-shaped craft and it was a craft it

was not flares this is often the video

from Dr kitai and we have the triangle

formation again you know airplanes

dropping flares

would have a difficult time

getting a perfect triangle Time After

Time the flares at the military claim

they dropped on the night of March 13th

would be an illumination flare which

would provide light for people on the

ground to see what the enemy might be

doing I do work with flair on a daily

basis they weren't flares I knew they

weren't conventional aircraft

Fullers emit smoke

and the illumination from the flare

would illuminate the smoke as well so

you would have a trail from the flare

leading up these lights up here

represent aircraft flares if you'll

notice they are not in any straight line

they vary in distance between each other

and if you look at the top you can see

the smoke as the flare Falls it leaves a

trail of smoke above it from the burning

magnesium in the flare flares are moving

relative to each other they're moving at

different speeds

the Phoenix Lights

are Rock Steady when you're looking at

these points of light

if you were trying to decide are they

part of a large vehicle or are the

aircraft flares what you would look at

is the position in this case these

points of light stay identical in

relationship to each other if they were

aircraft flares they would be dropping

slowly and moving laterally back and

forth relatively to each other if I do a

histogram of frame one frame 100 frame

200 we're running video 30 frames a

second

800 frames a minute so we have almost 6

000 frames

so I take every 100 frames

measure the brightness

see if it's changing

and if we built the graph over time

flares the graph of the change looks

like this the Phoenix light flat graph I

have footage of these objects

from upwards of 20 minutes so there's no

way that it was a flare the notion of of

flares and things was just I'm so absurd

once seeing the pictures that you

discovered immediately and I realized it

was a manifestation that there was

Intelligence trying to let us know we're

here now let's look at this as we had

more people come forward through Francis

barwood going public and asking the

question hundreds of people came forward

through that

to a great body of case reports we had

from Peter Davenport at the national

Center

it was clear that I had to do a lot of

field work if we were going to even

begin to do the animation that we plan

to at Village Labs at the outset let's

try to recreate what went on to

properly to illustrate what the

Witnesses were describing we've done

motion studies

of the different witness drawings the

different videos that we had and built

the scientific model that we then turned

and moved it in as many positions as we

could to find something that was either

a formation of lights or lights on some

object that no matter how we moved it

it fit with what was on the video and

what the witnesses said this is great to

have Dr kitai's film

uh 35 millimeter film that she had shot

in addition to the videotape and all the

other people's videotapes we had this

high resolution film that I could scan

the orbs at 1200 dots per inch and be

able to then look at the orbs as a very

large object I can look at the very fine

gradations that are out on the edge I

can look frame to frame to frame for

changes

or that it's remaining the same I have

more data to deal with

it is my belief that very valuable

information comes out of studying the

color

content of the entire picture and of

every single light what we're doing is

looking at a composite image in our GB

image instead in stature of the colors

that form that image and they're not at

all the same you know it's a real apples

and oranges kind of thing yes and I

think this data is very valid and I

don't know that it can be easily refuted

when I had the experience of seeing some

lights out in the distance the first

thing I did as a I guess inborn skeptic

myself was just try to run through every

possible solution that it could be I ran

my differential diagnosis of anything it

could be and what I realized pretty

quickly was

nothing fit

nothing that I could possibly run

through it definitely it definitely

wasn't flares it wasn't airplanes it

wasn't street lights it wasn't something

on the mountain it wasn't anything that

I could think of and it also didn't make

sense that they were saying it was

helicopters flying in formation because

there was no sound and even the most

quiet helicopter still makes a sound the

key is here is everything we have makes

noise we don't have anything that's

quiet people will say well it was

stealth well stealth is radar evasive it

has nothing to do with what you hear

it's radar evasive you know not sound

evasive and the idea that we saw

something that large and that low to the

ground that was totally quiet still

amazes me and in my examination Dr

Lynn's photos

and from her description of what

happened

they did seem to move as a unit and they

were able to stop and hover and I'm not

aware of any kind of aircraft that has a

hovering capability

but silent I don't believe it's the

military testing top secret craft if

they were to do such a thing they would

do it out of the public eye

above a major city if our government

or a military contractors making

something like this

they made a big mistake in letting it

get loose

and fly out of control right through the

center of Phoenix and air traffic and

turn around flying through military

bases if this is some sort of secret

aircraft by one or more military

organizations they shouldn't be going

around having it displayed in Phoenix

and having it displayed in Mexico and

having it displayed in other parts of

the world and then making believe that

it's not present

if it's gonna if it's going to be

visualized and it's going to be

photographed then people should stand up

and and own it my initial supervisor

when I first arrived here at Luke

um he was here in 97 when the incident

occurred and he remembers that two Jets

were scrambled from one of the squadrons

on Luke now as far as I know nobody ever

took a shot at it except the camera we

had an Insider's report a ground crewman

who had to help one of the pilots for

one of the pairs of jets that went out

out of his craft because he was so

shaken up by itself

allegedly a crewman from Luke Air Force

Base called UFO Reporting Center Peter

Davenport

about 3 A.M that morning

very detailed description

of this mile-wide triangle craft

traversing right over 7th Avenue in

Indian School

about that time as well nothing's ever

been made public to my knowledge about

instructions on how to respond to a

sighting at the base however I know that

the firefighters guide to disaster

control that is endorsed by FEMA

I believe it's chapter 13 or 14 is

completely about UFO sightings and how

to respond to a crash

so that kind of lends a little Credence

to the whole story I try to dismiss and

I tried to find like I said I try to

pick

apart every story that

and when they came to the point of an

unidentified flying object

that seemed to be the only one that I

couldn't pick apart we kept saying you

know what is that what is that and it

wasn't until after the events happened

and it disappeared to the south in the

Darkness

that we went inside we stayed outside

for a couple seconds and we went inside

and she sat on the couch and I went to

the bar and I sit on a stool and I took

my glasses off and we stared at each

other for 5 10 15 minutes who knows

and I got up and I wanted to go back

outside and as I grabbed the door I

looked my wife right in the eye and I

said we just saw our first UFO

she looked at me back and she goes I

know

it was just amazing

the credible wonderful detailed

descriptions that Witnesses shared

and you knew it was from their heart you

knew that they had seen something

extraordinary

I like Occam's razor

simplest explanation is probably the one

that's true some extraterrestrial

spacecraft

I'm learning that this is happening

worldwide what's going on here what is

this there's Amber orbs here in Belgium

Amber orbs in formation in the Soviet

Union triangle formation in Illinois

there's a triangle formation in New

Jersey many other countries at least 20

other countries Russia

has been studying these phenomena for

over 20 years they admit and and their

bottom line is that they feel they are

unearthly

China has an elite group of scientists

studying these phenomena

Japan built a museum the

government-funded a museum

so that they could promote Universal

peace what a beautiful message and just

recently Mexico

the Mexican Air Force has now come

forward to say that they've had the

sightings of these orbs around their

aircraft

which when you look at

my pictures

are identical information

and characteristics when you test the

Mexico orbs blow them up big and look at

them

they look just like the Phoenix Lights

Dr Richard Haynes a very noted

PHD psychologist

has been studying pilot reactions to

these orbs in fact he's also studied

what they called Foo Fighters in World

War II

The Identical phenomena these rigid orbs

information

just like what my husband and I saw

outside our bedroom window in 1995.

they've been around a long long time

throughout recorded history uh humans

have been fascinated with the nature of

light of light beings of anomalous

lights in the sky of uh which we

sometimes interpret as Angels or we

sometimes interpret as light beings or

we sometimes in church but as et's or we

interpret as

as a literally The Shining God herself

or himself maybe these things have been

occurring all of the time and we just

haven't been paying attention to them or

we've been told

like in The Wizard of Oz pay no

attention to the man behind the curtain

there's way too much information

biblically as well as just religious

writing that talks about

visitations Angelic presences being

taken up in a ball of light you know

ezekiel's wheel you could just go on you

know Bible story after Bible story

talking about what was happening now if

we just start discounting Witnesses and

witness testimony then we get in an

awful murky place where we'd be tossing

out probably 90 percent of the Bible

there are tons and tons of paintings and

pictures from Europe from the 16th and

1700s depicting things flying through

the skies and part of that chunk of

History

is in acknowledging the existence

throughout recorded history

a phenomena like this and the roles that

it have played in people's lives and

especially the quote native cultures who

were open to receiving it the Gila River

Indian reservation on this side of the

Estrella mountains behind South Mountain

where they report that they look up and

see it all the time and that they've

been seen there for hundreds of years

that's why it's called the Estrella

mountains gateway to the Stars the name

itself is symbolic

historically anciently to the Native

Americans This is known as the

crossroads here of the Gods even the

Estrella mountains where the Phoenix

Lights were seen

means Stars

and those mountains were given that name

because the Spaniards said that the

Indians of the day said that's where

their brothers would come and go as if

there's some kind of portal or Gateway

in the Estrella mountains and we have

witness accounts by the way that suggest

that very thing the lights are called

the the sky people some of the Native

American tribes everyone is very

differently some of them go out to seek

them to seek them to seek their eyes to

find out what they know and even further

other governments like the Belgian

government the French government the

Brazilian government The Mexican

government have now opened up their

files on all of this and simply

supporting what we're saying here

as far as our culture goes we're way

behind

actually defining what I believe is a

very real reality that um High very high

percentage of people have experienced I

saw the Phoenix Lights and then I saw

very large orbs at a later date three or

four months later beautiful color amber

and

knew that they were intelligences and

felt

the emotion evoked in me was one of

great warmth it has been reported many

many times that the witness felt that

there was something in that light a

thought form an entity an intelligence

guidance and control that was behind it

knew that they were there they could

sense it that they could feel it that

really set me on a journey for seven

years

the first four years of which

I actually started looking for a logical

explanation

for a source and meaning for what I had

witnessed and photographed the more I

look

the more I found such credible data

from scientists

astrophysicists nuclear physicists

astronomers

Optical physicists and on and on that

had been studying these phenomena for 20

30 years I had no idea I've been

involved in hundreds

wfo cases in in-depth investigation

thousands of pictures

that I've looked at about a thousand

have really examined in detail

and when you look at the totality of the

evidence what is unique about Dr kitai's

Data

it is the most consistent

systematic replicated set of information

over a prolonged period of time that's

been independently observed at various

times by multiple individuals this is

the only case that I know of

where

this much data exists over this amount

of time prior to and after a significant

event this is one of my favorite

photographs taken by Dr kitai taken

Cameron the same location the lights in

the same location as the Phoenix Lights

but taking a month after 9 11. the film

was what convinced me that

characteristics were not those of of

these halogen lights and airplane lights

and all the other kind of lights that I

could get a measurement on and look you

know make the graph of the different

kinds of flares and separate out the

color and the brightness my conclusion

about the Phoenix Lights is that there

is nothing that I can get a match to the

data table

it's not hail Bop it's not Stars it's

not aircraft lights it's certainly not

car lights

for a number of reasons it's not flares

if it's not some sort of Technology

that's made by us then we have to

entertain seriously entertain the

hypothesis that it is some sort of

expression of highly intelligent beings

the size of the craft on the Phoenix

light to display seem to be far beyond

anything that we have as a homegrown

homegrown crab so my suspicion is that

it's precisely what we think it is it's

an alien craft ultimately it's going to

be the people that will sort these

things out rather than the government

and the worst thing that can happen to

us would be is that the government said

well it was flares go back to sleep for

a long time since the 1940s there's a

concerted effort to try and keep this

material from the public and one of the

easiest ways to do that is to hide it in

a plain sight uh make it so that a

credible experiences that come out

credible reports sightings are

surrounded with ridicule uh surrounded

with the debunkers who try and give per

se explanations for something which just

defies explanation there is a small

percentage things that cannot be

explained but even if it's only one

percent that can't be explained or if

it's one one thousandth of one percent

that's enough it only takes one the

Phoenix Lights are tremendously

significant because they're another

wake-up call for people who are

skeptical or people who are secretly

wondering what it's all about

and the Phoenix Lights were so visible

seen by so many and so publicly

acknowledged even in the media if you

can create a structured controversy say

I mean let the flare story happen

knowing that a lot of people aren't

going to believe it and some people are

but let's see how it goes and then let's

get on the phone and let's call up

USA Today CBS ABC NBC MSNBC and let it

trickle down through the news management

that we think this story should be

covered you get your people there and it

happened

it happened in a big way it happened

fast and turned a lot of heads made

worldwide news and then it was denied

why wouldn't all these news media people

who are in a perfect position to

investigate all this why aren't they at

the least bit curious why don't they

want to know what it is look what

happened in 52 when all those crafts

flew around the Capitol building and

everybody went four thousand people saw

them and looked up and went oh my God oh

my God

nothing happened

the word barely got out across the

country

that's not true anymore

the Phoenix Lights as the four the first

K that's the first case where there was

chat rooms about it

Microsoft network forums had a weekly

chat room about the Phoenix Lights it

was the Phoenix Lights website I had

gone to and the first thing I thought

was like the color and the the shape of

the lights it was just like this is what

I saw that's the way that everything

will go in the next wave for

investigating UFO cases and talking

about it it's going to be the internet

is the tool

so as sightings like the Phoenix Lights

have happened elsewhere in the world

people can go

hey it's just like we saw in Phoenix so

many witnesses thousands and millions of

witnesses all over the planet are

telling the media all over the planet

basically the same story Phoenix Lights

had Global impact

because of the international news that

happened about it not dismissing it

Not only was it a very significant Mass

sighting

many investigators call it the largest

sighting ever lasting the longest amount

of time seen by the largest number of

people Grand scale but at another level

Global media it was all over the news

everywhere for a long time

months and months and then every year it

gets on the media again because there's

something significant about it when I

first joined the military I put in for

route for the simple fact of the

occurrence of 97.

I was hoping to maybe see something

myself when the the orbs returned in

January of 98 I was on the roof of our

building of Village labs having been on

alert Dr Lynn called we had been alerted

that the orbs have been showing up the

nights before

so everyone the Phoenix Lights video

Witnesses Club if you will we're all on

ready with their cameras and their

various positions around the valley when

I first stepped out on my balcony and

saw the two amber orgs to the Southwest

I dropped my soda on the balcony and ran

in to grab my video camera and I put the

spotter scope right on it and zeroed in

and it stayed right on it

and what was extraordinary is that light

went off and it came on again over a

20-minute period And it did not move

from that position because it stayed

fixed in the scope I have to tell you I

was really uh deeply impressed by the

display that unfolded

as Jim came up to join me we really were

now together to witness a grand display

of several orbs

that were variously in a straight line

as if you could draw a ruler or lay a

ruler end to end

lights going on and off in the same

positions and then ending up in a

triangle as if to communicate a simple

geometric base message a lot of the

times the orbs will line up in a

straight line they'll move into patterns

mostly geometric patterns

greater frequency of the Triangular

shape it was impressive and we both

reacted as if this was an extraordinary

event and certainly not a display of

flares thanks to the military I've been

sitting on the balcony every night since

I've got some good footage so far and uh

it's pretty compelling

I think Society is influenced of course

by Hollywood and the perception that you

know there's this fear element and that

that's a natural response Hollywood has

really trained us to feel that aliens

are scary and they're going to hurt us

and you know there's really no way to

know what to expect except for what

we've been trained to believe Hollywood

likes the violence all the movies and

all the E.T movies every time E.T and

UFOs and all this is involved 95 percent

of it's violence where they're attacking

us they're killing us so a lot of people

as a mindset right here that hey those

are evil people those are evil beings

they're here to hurt me

and yet I think that's the furthest

thing from the truth there is if I would

see something in the daytime big huge

thing coming flying over I think I'd be

a little afraid when children especially

saw this mile-long triangle craft they

were scared their initial reaction was

fear

but as it slowly passed right over their

head silent gliding right over them

not only children but adults as well

felt a connection to the phenomena

felt a calmness take over them nobody I

talked to said I was terrified what they

said was I was amazed I was astounded it

was incredible I was excited it amazes

me that we got to see something that

large that low to the ground that slow

no visible means of propulsion

whatsoever no noise whatsoever and it

was able to stay up and it did no damage

if it were ours the amount of propulsion

needed to stay up because of our gravity

it would have destroyed buildings houses

it would deafened people it would people

would have been wrecking cars I mean

none of that happened it was a totally

friendly visit no one was hurt no one

was scared they didn't become blind and

nothing was dropped on them nothing had

happened to me nothing had happened to

anyone I'd known nobody was harmed what

most people experienced was this

phenomenal sense of wondering and awe

and appreciation for being alive and

witnessing it at that moment

once all these things came to my mind I

just thought wow what a neat thing and

that actually helped open up my mind to

the rest of my life

once of wander wander almost universally

people who have anomalous experiences

with lights or craft or things that they

see

never recounted as fearful always

recounted as filled with awe and wonder

of amazement

of wanting to connect to these phenomena

hopefully as Society matures a little

bit more and becomes more comfortable

about talking about these events these

beings that that fear will diminish and

I think if the fear continues that's

their choice they're using that then as

a defense mechanism to help them be

comfortable with something they can't

put a label on something they cannot

explain if you're terrified of seeing

something and then you see something

that you're terrified of what are you

going to do your own beliefs are going

to call you to lead you to have a

negative experience so it's your belief

structure that has prevented you

having the positive experience that's

really there when people recount an

experience it tells you more about them

than it actually does about the

experience if they need to be angry

they usually vent annoyance and how dare

they and that kind of thing but over

time and looking at it and comparing it

with others There is almost nothing

really fearful about any of it imagine

that you're an unearthly being you want

to communicate you want to help but if

you appear you show up in a seminar room

or you show up at the foot of somebody's

bed or you come down in lights what's

going to happen you're going to frighten

people so how do you if you could put

yourself in their shoes if there isn't

their shoes how do you go about helping

without frightening it is important that

people at the very least have an open

mind it is important that they are also

very prepared

and to deal with whatever happens I

discovered in my own research that these

powerful types of experiences have

happened throughout history in various

cultures but they're described

differently in different cultures one of

the problems that a government or a

church or anyone has in explaining the

Extraterrestrial situation

is that it requires non-physical

definitions

in order to explain it both contemporary

mathematics and contemporary physics

acknowledges the fact that there are

more than four dimensions

um it's the the most integrative of

contemporary theories in physics called

String Theory it requires the notion of

having 10 or 11 dimensions and we

typically can have a difficult time

measuring things in three dimensions let

alone four dimensions adding time so

just adding one more Dimension makes all

kinds of possibilities time travel

interdimensional doorways and gateways

and things that the rules would hold

true interdimensionally for folks

everywhere

Saints Angels avatars ghosts

Intergalactic travelers all

follow the same rules of

interdimensional place hopping we

co-exist

I don't think it's a planet far far far

away you know I don't think out at all I

think we co-exist this is dimensional we

share the same space we just don't know

it it wasn't until the quantum

physicists started saying hey there's

lots of realities out there that we got

any kind of backing and credibility at

all my remembrance as I think back in

the 60s when there was a lot of interest

in this topic is that there were

so many reports that it was possible to

debunk as frauds and and people that

that were just uh completely unreliable

there also were a set that were never

explained God forbid that you'd go to an

astronomer or to an engineer who's going

to say I'm not even going to bother

because we all know for a fact there's

no such thing these people either made a

mistake or they're lying we went through

that whole phase and that kind of drove

the topic off the table in terms of the

research community

just because we may not have the

technology yet to definitively Define

what these things are

it doesn't mean they're not real

we may just be looking on the am dial

for an FM frequency as a scientist I

think anything that's not understood

should be investigated

you know it's that's just what science

is all about to follow the data and let

the data speak and if the data takes us

in areas where it needs

and requires us that we change our mind

about what we have been taught what we

believe then that's what we need to do

we used to think there is this flat we

now accept this round we used to think

that the sun revolved around the earth

now we know it's the opposite way and

we've accepted that fact we used to

think that objects were really solid now

quantum physics tells us it's mostly

quote empty space it's organized energy

we can even accept that too we have to

get a different perspective on what's

going on around us and as a culture stop

denying that people see hear and

experience things that granted are out

of the ordinary there's going to be a

time where they're not going to be able

to hide it anymore

there's too much technology today too

many people have video cameras and

digital cameras and the internet to

relay it all on it's only a matter of

time there's healing here I'm a

physician

and I come to this whole forum

not only now with knowledge that I've

seen something personally

not only knowledge that I've sought out

and found incredible credible knowledge

but

also knowing there are many people that

need to be healed that need to know that

they're not crazy that it's not a mirage

I'm very relieved to to be able to talk

about it with someone who understands uh

you know maybe I can get some some

answers I'm credible and I and I saw

what I saw

and I'm not afraid to talk about it or

to share it

I think it should be shared one of the

worst things people can do is keep it

bottled up inside you I think one of the

best things you can do is to open up

there's nothing wrong with that and

you'll find out you feel pretty good

about it it has all the earmarks of a

kind of

uh of an epiphany the kind of thing that

occurs like once or twice in life that

absolutely changes you forever and then

like a good scientist you want to say

why did this happen or what does this

really mean I want to know the truth

I want to be there I want to see it I

want to touch it I want to I want to ask

questions I would like to have some of

the alternative

uh explanations for things that occur to

be explored further so that our kids can

actually have some hard data

hearts a scientific empirical

evidence that what's happening to them

has a base in reality and is real and

that they're not crazy what's very

exciting at this time is that so many

very distinguished and credible and

educated scientists researchers

Physicians doctors are coming forward it

so happened as when it was going on I

was became aware of it and was listening

to a blow blind blow description

and was consulted on it afterwards and I

said well I'm pretty sure you were

looking at a very valid phenomenon

there's no question that there is a

phenomenon and for anyone to be still

questioning when there is a phenomena is

deluding themselves read about it

there's certainly enough information out

there if one wants to and chooses to

that is a choice

I would only tell the friends that

um that are trusted by me and probably

other people would make fun of me

because unless they see it with their

own eyes Some Humans just don't believe

things many people are not willing to

look at something they've had no

experience with but the moment it

touches them they see something their

wife or spouse sees something

they at least start thinking about it

we're not the only ones here in this big

universe

there are a lot of other people we just

haven't met them yet of course we're not

alone in the universe and there's too

much out there for us to just to be the

only uh living beings in this universe

what astrophysics strongly implies the

probability that there is life other

than us in the universe

um is a highly highly profitable there

are so many stars and probably other

planets out there that the scientists

haven't even seen yet it just seems

incredible to me with over 200 billion

stars in our own Galaxy and there are

billions if not trillions of galaxies

could we be alone the Hubble telescope

just in the last five to ten years has

changed the face of time and space and

gravity as we know it our galaxy our one

Milky Way galaxy and who knows how many

trillions there might be out there

is 12 to 14 billion years old

our solar system is a very young solar

system it's only four to six billion

years old

there may actually be

intelligent entities out there billions

of years ahead of us what if everyone

woke up tomorrow and knew that

extraterrestrials come here for sure

positive then what maybe we would have

more reflection on how we are being as a

people as a nation as a culture as a

planet it would help us to wake up it

would help us to see that we're not the

end-all be-all

so I think it would be a good thing I

feel that the event woke me up

that I got out of my daily routine of

getting up going to work coming home

cooking dinner eating dinner watching TV

going to bed you know because you got

kids you got baseball you got all this

stuff going on life is such a routine

this woke us up that there's something

greater out there

that there's more out there

and wake up

open up

open up your heart open up your mind

because it's real what happens when

these phenomena occur these anomalistic

phenomena occur that people come awake

maybe for the first time in their lives

but the opportunity is there all of the

time reality you know as people

sometimes say is only what I can see

hear touch feel and so on but the things

that we call paranormal are actually

part of the same reality we're just not

tuned into it yet whether you believe in

it or not

there's the potential that we can learn

so much from what could be out there we

are an adolescent species at this point

our Consciousness is changing our bodies

changing our knowledge is changing

wouldn't that be great if it did change

and that we all had an aha moment when

we go we're not alone in this universe

and we're not these little Nations

worrying and feuding with each other and

doing power trips with each other that

there's other planets and other

universes and other intelligent beings

who are looking down on us and going

oh my God where are these people doing I

believe they are trying to communicate

um we just haven't figured out how

they're trying to communicate with us we

do have powers and we need to learn to

tap into those Powers so that we can

communicate with them so that we can

understand them so that we can be a part

of their reality and simultaneously

allow them to be a part of our reality

listening is very important and we can

even calm ourselves and quiet ourselves

to not only listen to each other on this

planet but to listen to what the

messages are that are coming from off

Planet until we do that until we allow

them into our reality there is no

communication they can talk to us all

they want to but until we let them into

who we are as a Body Mind and Spirit

we just have a one-way communication

it's time it's time for the

communication and the education to go

Galactic if there's one race of

extraterrestrials visiting here

if there's just one

there's a lot of them you think there

would be only one race of

extraterrestrials in the entire universe

and us and that's it

you have to accept sooner or later the

fact that we're not alone

and once you accept that fact

then you're going to have to accept also

the fact that there's many many many

alien races out there not just one there

could be hundreds there could be

thousands each with their own lifestyle

their own purposes

for their Destiny and their own reasons

for why they come to Earth and visit us

is this possible that these lights

are being very carefully and gently

present

as a as a potential guidance and warning

system

for us to wake up to what we're doing to

our planet and ourselves before it's too

late I think they would be kind of

concerned about what we're doing our

planet because we're polluting it we're

trashing it

and we're doing all other things to it

like doing War so the land gets all

messed up too I believe that the

condition that we're under as a global

civilization

uh it's becoming apparent that the

violence we're causing to our

environment

to our non-sustainable non-renewable

resources is becoming obvious

the problem is it's not clear

all the solutions that must be brought

about in order to combat that

we have a real problem on our hands

but we caused it so we can turn it

around if we have the will to do so we

should probably explore more about space

and focus our Technologies and other

ways besides war and when we gain the

capability

to discover another civilization

I would hope we would have the good

sense just to observe and see what's

going on

and I would hope that our visitors are

probably doing just that

they come from all over the universe to

come and check out this planet

of these Advanced beings that have free

will tremendous spiritual potential

intellectual capacity evolving DNA

happening at rapid levels

and they're rushing headlong to

destruction

we're gonna have to wake up

we're going to have to become

knowledgeable we're going to have to

develop new science because we still

don't know all the answers to the

questions who are we how do we get here

where we're going

and our relationship to the cosmos we're

having trouble with our relationship

with each other

we still use violence to settle conflict

and if we're to have a sustainable

civilization those behaviors must go

away

and it's not going to go away until we

change and find peace within ourselves

we destroy this planet the consequences

do not just reside with us

consequences are very very galactic

so they're very concerned that Humanity

does evolve those that are really awake

to it and realize that we are not alone

also realize that we Are Spiritual

Beings

with so much positive potential so much

positive potential to do good

and to help make this world a better

world I think we're Spiritual Beings

riding around in a physical body and for

a long time we've had to pay a lot of

attention to just getting through the

physical and I think the spiritual has

suffered but we are in a spiritual

Renaissance right now and I think the

Phoenix Lights are part of that they're

very few things that are bigger and more

important

every human being on the planet than the

topic of this documentary of the

implications of the of what the Phoenix

Lights represents it was clearly no

accident that this demonstration and

parade this

extraordinary single category single

class events of the Phoenix Lights

occurred multiple purposes multiple

Dimensions

multiple impact potential and I think

we're only beginning to see the tip of

the iceberg of the effect of what took

place back in March 13th of 1997 here

years later still gives me goosebumps so

I'm into it I can't help it it's a part

of my life it's it's a good part of my

life it's a good thing the anomalous

experience whether it's seeing the

Phoenix Lights

believing you've been contacted having

conversations with other dimensions it

doesn't really much matter

what matters is what you make of it and

what you do with it we're all here

together for a reason and we're all here

together for a purpose and what could

the highest greatest purpose of our

being here be and that would be to to

love one another to be kind to one

another to be compassionate to to share

our joy with each other and to listen to

Listen to each other if we had the

opportunity to listen to this

information

and therefore help our children and help

the world

grow before it's too late and we didn't

take the opportunity

it will come back to us it's important

that we look at our civilization our

place in history use our tools of

science for greater understanding to

promote the greater good

and that's what it's all about I think

we are in a Pinnacle Point of our

civilization and I think it makes a

difference which direction we go next

hopefully we'll have contact one day if

enough people are really open

and realize that there is nothing to

fear

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I look forward to that

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it was all too symmetrical you can't

control flares that way there's just no

way they were flares it was so

technologically advanced that it was a

thrilling feeling to see it the lights

were really brilliant and it was just

fascinating I mean it was it was

enormous

it just felt otherworldly

you know you're in your gut you could

just tell it was otherworldly it has

never been identified to this date and I

suspect that unless the defense

department proves this otherwise that it

was probably some form of an alien

spacecraft

foreign

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being came to my door would I be scared

would I'd be

frightened or what I welcomed me I don't

know it depends on how ugly it is if

they would come to my door I would say

well come on in let's talk let me find

out more about you

that would be great oh my such fun