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Flying Saucers have invaded our planet,

Washington, London, Paris, Moscow are

key targets, the whole world is under attack!

People of Earth, attention!

In 1952 the Central Intelligence Agency

faced with a huge public interest in flying

saucers brought in a panel of scientists,

very senior scientists,

we know it now as the.

Robertson panel.

They concluded that there was nothing

to these flying saucer reports

as objective devices of some kind

but that, nevertheless, the government had to

exercise great care to debunk

the stories and individual civilians

who expressed an interest in flying saucers

ought to be carefully watched

said the Robertson panel.

And I believe that to be the founding document,

the document giving the long range strategy

that has been followed by the US government.

The general feeling amongst people

who have devoted a big chunk of their life

to studying UFOs I think is fear that they have

been taken for a ride, that these cases are

hoaxes, but sophisticated hoaxes

carried out by their own government.

What do you want with me?

Let's take one step at a time,

you're looking at Richard Doty,

the professional disinformer, trained to lie.

I'm Richard Doty.

There's probably about 80% of false information

being presented and about 20%

of factual information.

Unfortunately the UFO community

doesn't know which is which.

And that's your job,

to keep it that way?

That was my job before,

I'm a private citizen now.

But back in the early eighties it was my job

to confuse the UFO community.

Doty was representing himself, as I recall,

as basically this sort of deep throat.

Doty had this wonderful way to sell it,

I'm with the government you cooperate with us,

and I'm going to tell you what the

government really knows about UFOs.

Doty found a lot of gullible people

in the UFO community,

that would easily believe

what he said without any type of scrutiny.

My commander told me

"well there's this guy Special Agent Doty,"

and you've got to be careful

"because he kinda made the..."

the impression I got was that

he had made the Air Force a little nervous.

Maybe... they didn't say

egg on their face or anything,

but they were just very cautious.

The main reason that we in the UFO field

recognise the name Richard Doty

is that a man Paul Bennewitz

a self-made man

a very successful businessman

was systematically driven insane

wound up in an insane asylum under treatment

for a long time, lost his business

had to turn it over to his family,

and was destroyed by the efforts of.

Richard Doty.

You hear about the ones that

something goes wrong.

You hear about the ones where there was an

unfortunate incident or in some cases

there are failures.

It was unfortunate

what happened to Mr Bennewitz

but they were supposed to protect

something and they did their job.

That's the part of the base that.

Paul Bennewitz could see.

You can see the Manzano mountain here

where all the nuclear weapons were stored.

Kirtland Air Force Base's perimeter fence,

Paul Bennewitz's house is right over here, and

his excellent view was afforded from this

exclusive area of Albuquerque.

You basically have a front row seat.

August, September of 1979.

Paul was standing up on his deck

and looking up over the roofs towards the base

and these lights he saw would probably be

about half a mile away

there was always two of them

they'd lift up from the ground rather quickly

and then very quickly go around,

shoot that way around the side of the mountain

and then drop down behind it.

And they did the same thing every time.

For anybody that would peak your interest,

"what the hell is that?"

He had an interest in the UFO subject

it was about the only thing he was interested in

besides his business.

He had a company called Thunder Scientific

they designed instruments for

high profile people like NASA

and even the Air Force.

A lot of people said he was a genius

with electronics and he decided that he was

going to listen in on what was going on

at the base, maybe he could pick up some

radio signals about what this thing was

and he knew about where to start looking

and he started picking up

these bursts of information, when he started

to decode the signals he thought that it

had a connection to whatever

these lights were.

He decided it was something to do with

technology that wasn't ours.

He was a good American, so he called up

the Air Force base, they

connected him with Richard Doty eventually.

Paul didn't know initially what he got,

he didn't analyse it.

And when he had got the first series of

transmissions, he recorded them,

and then he contacted the security officer

for Kirtland. I began a dialogue with Paul

trying to find out everything he had

and as I did then I learned that a lot of the

information he had wasn't anything to do

with a soviet threat or some kind of hostile

threat against Kirtland it was information

that he had gathered

because of the fact that he was a scientist,

and because he had sensitive and

sophisticated equipment he was collecting

emissions coming from the base.

And we had to decide

what we were going to do then

were we going to allow this to happen?

Or were we going to try and

convince him otherwise?

They sent Doty and a physicist.

Paul was being occupied with the other guy,

Rick was taking pictures

of Bennewitz's equipment in his house.

The more he had contact with me and others

within the intelligence community, the more

he started analysing the information.

So, we kinda planted the seed in Paul that

what he was seeing and what he was hearing

and what he was collecting was in fact

probably, maybe, UFOs!

It was very easy to convince Paul.

Paul was a World War 2 veteran, he was very

patriotic, he always flew his flag.

Those type of people you can convince that

"listen", just tell him.

"Paul, you can't tell anyone else about this,

because it could get into the wrong hands"

so immediately Paul became

a co-operating source

he held everything that he had gotten

in secrecy.

Doty was feeding this man

all kinds of lies

about UFOs and aliens being kept underneath

a mountain nearby, and so on and so forth,

and Bennewitz, of course,

was believing all of this.

He had two films,

of an object flying,

one picture depicted an object that

looked like it was flying out of the mountain

and it looked like some kind of

saucer shaped object.

He immediately then though that there

were UFOs coming out of Manzano.

The second film was of an object

that was something that was

experimental that the government was doing.

When he filmed that, then again

the flag when up that

he just filmed a classified project.

Paul made a presentation to the Air Force officials,

on what he had been doing and

about what he had been collecting.

He showed some of his film,

he showed some of his pictures,

he had a audio recorder that was playing

the sounds that he had collected from the base.

The highest ranking person in the room

who was a Brigadier General said

"you have some very convincing information Paul"

and that kind of set everything in motion with.

Paul to let him think that, yup, he does.

From the point he came in and

gave that meeting they decided

all his perceptions were going to be directed

exactly the way the

intelligence organisations wanted.

We briefed everybody

in the room.

So they knew what we were doing, basically.

And so after the meeting there was a number of

questions asked to him

"what do you want the Air Force to do?"

and Paul says "I'd like a grant to investigate."

"UFOs on the base" and a grant to continue this

contact that he claimed he had

with some of these aliens

which... now that's a different story!

At one point another agency was conducting an

investigation and they set up a surveillance

across the street from him and.

Paul's son contacted me and said

"leave my father alone, you guys are across the"

street and you're bothering my father,

he's getting to the point

"that he's being paranoid."

Well, I knew it wasn't us.

He said he saw people coming

in and out of the house and looking from the

curtains and things like that and as it turns out

the NSA had some people in this house,

they were watching him and actually

beaming messages straight across the street

into his antenna set up.

He'd started picking up these signals and the.

NSA was scared that anybody could

figure that out.

They decided to just take complete control of

what he was seeing and give him exactly

what he thought he should be getting.

They replaced his computer with

their own computer.

The computer had software that would decode

the messages that he was getting in the way

that they wanted him to see them.

And if you look at the transcript of it,

it seems like almost gibberish but because

people want to pull out content from a random

order it starts to make some kind of sense.

They said that they were from a planet with

no water and they were trying to find a new

place to live and they wanted to take over

the earth and that they can only trust Paul.

They were going to have some kind of

agreement with him but he said you can't trust

anything they say these aliens are evil and it

served to make him look silly which was

exactly what they were trying to do.

Paul actually thought

that these UFOs had to be coming from

some other place.

So Paul on his own when up to Archuleta Peak,

which is in Northern New Mexico, around.

Dulce New Mexico and he did

his own investigation basically.

Dulce and the Archuleta Peak area

has a superstition for many years,

way way before we were ever involved.

There were strange lights and strange stories

about that area coming from the.

Indian tribe that lives up there.

If somebody wanted to hide

something here it would be pretty easy,

it's very remote.

It's supposedly the site of an underground

alien base. That rumour got started in the early

1980s because of what was told to.

Paul Bennewitz by the Air Force.

Office of Special Investigation.

Paul was a pilot, and he had a

plane, and he flew around those areas and

he saw things and he filmed

things up there that

again presented a problem for us because

what he was filming up there was actually a

secretive military installation that was

training commandos.

So then we had to convince Paul that what he

was seeing up there was again, UFOs.

The Air Force actually put him

in a helicopter with Rick Doty the first time

and flew him up to a place above Dulce,

called the Archuleta Mesa and before they

took him up there, they dumped

a bunch of props up there.

They flew him up there, flew him over the Mesa

and said "you're right Paul, look there's"

stuff here, there's some evidence of

what's going on

"why don't you check this out for us."

So I would go with Paul up there

and we actually camped out there a

couple of times and we actually saw some

things that startled me, which were fully

explained later, but one of the things that was

kind of interesting were these lights

coming out of the ground, but the way the lights,

these beams, were coming out of the

ground in a pulse kind of manner, that it looked

like they were saucers flying out of

these mountains, and I actually saw this and

I was somewhat concerned that maybe.

Paul had stumbled onto something.

Paul was flying what he called his missions

around Archuleta Mesa and would

send back fascinating letters, five, six, seven,

eight pages long, hand written with pencil

sketches of what he'd seen.

And finally he started sending large format

eight by ten photographs taken with his.

Hasselblad in which he'd say

"well, here's the black atomic powered ship that

"crashed last week" and he'd circle it, and, oh,

I'd look at that and, bless his heart,

I couldn't see anything that

resembled a crashed anything.

Something actually did crash

near Dulce on the Mesa in the late 1980s.

Bennewitz just happened to be flying over it

and took pictures of it and so the

disinformation campaign had to be

ratcheted up even more.

The Air Force, they knew it was something they

were testing up in this area and that it

had gone off course and crashed.

Of course they told Paul Bennewitz that it was

some sort of alien craft that had been

given to the humans to use and that they

had shot it out of the sky

as some sort of a lesson.

Agents would break into his house,

to see what he had and at one point he had

these pictures of whatever had crashed up there

and they were very interested in getting

these pictures, so they did.

From then on he went up and just took pictures

of where it had crashed.

What probably crashed there

was some sort of unmanned aerial vehicle

and now they're over in the middle east,

remote controlled, killing people in cars

as they drive across the desert.

But in 1985 they didn't really want anybody to

have any knowledge of this kind of thing.

They took great pains to explain to him that it

was this atomic powered aircraft that the

aliens had helped us with and bring down that

laughter curtain again so that people just

wouldn't pay attention.

They'd just think it was another UFO nut.

Somebody gave him a satellite picture

of the landing area.

In 83 he went up there with me and the

chief of police for the Jicarilla Apache tribe.

They had made a landing pad

and he took us right to the spot.

They were giving him disinformation,

some of it was true, some of it wasn't, see.

I think that was the biggest problem he had,

coping with, why this,

why not the other thing?

He thought that this was the place

where the aliens were getting together

to take over the world and he wanted to trap

them all there, kill them all in one fell swoop

and save the Earth.

By the mid eighties he was getting to the point

where he had written all of these

letters to congressmen, senators, TV stations,

even President Regan saying this is what's

going on the Air Force is co-operating with me

these are the people who are co-operating

with me and giving me this information.

Earnest Edwards, Richard Doty, all this

he would put there names in these letters.

He'd get answers back saying

"we're not interested in the UFO subject"

and there was this kind of

cognitive dissonance

here are people in the government telling him

"yes you're right, this is going on,

let's keep an eye on it"

and then elected officials and other

people in the the media saying

"we don't know what you're talking about,

this isn't very important"

and nobody seemed to care what he was

talking about except the Air Force.

So many people knew ultimately about.

Paul Bennewitz and that sad, strange, horrible

story that it got way out of the realm

of just a cute flying saucer story.

Paul was convinced that everything

he was doing was UFO related.

I actually sat down with Paul and told Paul

"listen Paul, I think you ought to stop doing this"

I think you've gone as far as you can go,

and this is a friend, this is Richard Doty a

"friend" it wasn't Richard Doty a Special Agent

with OSI talking to him, I said

"this is a friend talking to you Paul"

because I became a friend with him,

he was a very wonderful person

and I didn't want to see him harmed and I said.

"Paul, stop it! Listen to your son,"

listen to your wife, end it, get rid of the

equipment, lock this stuff away, go on with your

life, go back to your work at your

business and stop this...

Paul listened to me and I thought maybe he was

going to take my advice, but he didn't,

he continued and continued and continued and

at that point we ended the investigation

we ended every involvement with.

Paul Bennewitz.

By 1988 things were so bad that

his family decided to take him to a psychiatric

facility and see if they could try and save his life.

He said that aliens would come at night through

his wall and inject him with something

that would make him get in his car and drive out

into the desert and he didn't remember

what he was doing or why he went.

The scary thing was there actually were

injection marks on his arm.

This is a friend talking to you...

Years later, I sat down with Paul, at dinner and

told Paul, exactly, that everything we did was a

sanctioned counter intelligence operation

to convince him that what he was seeing

was UFOs and that what we didn't want him

to know was that he had tapped into something

on the base, and we didn't want him

to ever disclose that.

Paul looked at me and said

"you don't have to lie to me Rick,

I know it UFOs related".

He was caught right in the middle

of it and then he was used.

If it hadn't been for Paul Bennewitz I would have

never known 70% of the stuff that was going on.

What kind of stuff did you find

that would make you think that there was

something underground there?

Well, the entrance to...

A big enough entrance to get

a truck or a plane or something through?

Yes.

You saw this?

Uh-hum.

But it wasn't where Paul said it was?

No.

Well, the first case of the cattle mutilation in.

Dulce, it was June 14th 1974.

People do kill animals and steal the meat,

and it's different, it was different.

Why did they just take the udder,

the lymph nodes and the tongue

at the base of the throat with the tonsils?

And we're finding the evidence at the mutilations,

gas masks that were made by the

military, radar chaff, and the tranquillisers

they were using atropine,

they were injecting them with atropine.

I was up front with the ranchers

they were losing cattle and

nobody was compensating them.

I wasn't hiding anything, I never did.

I'm established as somebody who is doing

all of this news and documentary.

So I start getting newspapers, people are saying.

"Linda, what is the answer?"

Ok, this is what I'm going to do next.

I'm going to get to the bottom

of this animal mutilation mystery.

And finally in October of 79 Lou Girodo

who was the head of the district attorneys

office in Trinidad says, with our cameras running,

finally "well, investigators and I"

have come to the conclusion we're dealing with

"creatures not from this planet"

is the way he put it

which is in my film, A Strange Harvest.

And said all the reasons why, the orange lights

that he and a deputy had seen go into the

ground, come out, split in two, in pastures where

they had mutilated animals.

We did follow one and it stayed

there, it was hovering on top of

the cattle, Manuel Gomez's cattle, and when

I was going to try and intercept it myself it

flew over me. But this

looked like a saucer type, yeah, aircraft.

Ah ha.

You could see lights in it blinking.

Why do they put lights

if they're from outer space?

They don't need any guidance with lights!

I was an analyst in the agency responsible for

chemical weapons analysis so the

embassy would always give me a

security escort and bodyguard.

Special Forces guy came, and I said.

'Hey, what do you know

about these crazy stories about the helicopters

that are taking mutilated cattle?'

'Oh he says, my real job,

I'm in a special group in New Mexico.

We've been doing something that is really,

really interesting' he said, 'it just blows

my mind, I just... we got these helicopters

that I'm flying' he says

'these helicopters are all fixed up.

First of all they got no markings on' em.

Second of all they're really fast.

Third, they're really quiet, and they got

a lot of lights. We got red lights, we got white

lights, we got strobe lights.'

I said 'What are you talking about?'

He says, 'We pretend we're UFO's...

What the hell is that?

Do you know anything about this?

Where did all that information come from?

Why do you listen to those people, they lie?

It's like, yes but they talk.

And if they talk, once in a while you're gonna

get a piece of something in that huge pile

of crap that will actually connect to what you

want, and if you don't let them take you

somewhere like they did with Paul, kind of

keep an even keel, I think you're ok.

You just have to listen that's the thing.

So are you saying that the.

Dulce base, or the Dulce architecture,

let's call it, ah, exists or doesn't exist?

Have you investigated the RAND corporation's

involvement in tunnelling in that area

in the 50's and 60's?

Oh yeah, yeah, I actually put

some of that in the book...

...construction of a nuclear

waste facility there...

Not waste, but they exploded an

atomic bomb underneath about ten miles from.

Dulce to try and get gas out of the ground.

Stupidest idea! They couldn't use the gas

'cos it was radioactive.

New programs of the Atomic Energy.

Commission and other agencies are designed

to expand the usefulness of nuclear energy.

Before work is begun on any of these programs.

The government evaluates the health and

safety factors, often for several years.

Project Gasbuggy was an underground nuclear

detonation that took place in 1967

in Dulce, New Mexico.

It was an attempt to release natural gas

reserves from the subterranean environment

in a sort of early version of what we

would now recognise as fracking.

Some people have suggested that the cattle

mutilation program was actually a covert

monitoring program for assessing the radiation

leakage levels into the environment,

into the ecosystem and into the food chain.

Senator Harrison Schmitt had a

conference here in 1980, 'cos the ranchers

were asking for help,

and I met Paul Bennewitz there.

He was taking a bunch of pictures of the aircraft

coming out of the Kirkland area,

but we were watching the same aircraft flying

in the Dulce area, see. Everybody's looking at

these sophisticated aircraft and kind of saying

'well they're the one's that are

mutilating the cattle.'

One agency was doing the cattle mutilation,

but the people that were doing the research

on the aircraft used the cattle mutilations to test

their aircraft so that people think

it was ufo's... and it helped

the cattle mutilation thing see!

It's a wonder they didn't crash

into each other, you know!

Would we use perception

to help shroud what we're trying to protect?

Absolutely!

If you've got an aerial platform that is highly

advanced and the public who happens to

get a glimpse of the thing from time to time,

if they're convinced that it's from Venus

and there's no way it could be our military,

well hey you know, that's awesome!

Hell yes!

If I'm the agent running the protection for that

particular program and that's helping me

to cover something for years?

I might even feed the fire.

Doty and others would probably

defend their counter-intelligence efforts

as being patriotic.

They are carrying out work assigned by people

who have decided that there must be a

policy of denial

in the interests of national security.

They're working for my government.

They're working in agencies of the government

that is supposed to be protecting

of the people by the people for the people.

How did it all turn upside down?

At the core there is something that

they want to keep people away from.

A real truth.

I'm Richard Doty.

I'm here at the UFO congress at Laughlin,

Nevada, as a private citizen,

just enjoying the sights and sounds.

Disinformation is designed to appeal

to the person that it's operating on.

The more dramatic you can be appealing to that

prejudice, the better you're gonna get

your hooks into the person you're trying to get.

In Paul Bennewitz's case, he was taking about.

UFOs so if they wanted his full and

undivided attention, they would talk UFOs with

him which is exactly what they did.

Bennewitz was filming really highly strange craft.

Then counter-intel's job is to come in and

muddy the waters and make him

look like a fool, and one of the cover jobs...

it's been a cover story in the U.S for a long time

tell the media, tell anybody who will listen

that they're using UFOs to cover up

advanced technology - when the truth

is exactly the opposite of the words!

Our perspective is that

the ufo phenomenon is absolutely genuine...

Hah! In spades!

Yeah. However,

within that arena there have been points at

which disinformation has entered the

stream, you know, and there's no...

From FDR on!

It became seen as necessary to create an

active disinformation program in the late 1970's

and early 1980's

and the reason for this is twofold. One was

the American Freedom of Information Act.

: "It's curtain time."

An ingenious printing elemet that works faster

"than the eye can see. Watch it in action."

Thousands of pages of

documents were released from places like the.

CIA, the FBI, all the military agencies.

Documents proving the lie that agencies across

the board were interested and were tracking

the UFO phenomenon.

During the late1970's

a variety of leaks started to occur.

Now they're just stories right?

But the problem is there were many of them

and they seemed to have

a coherence about them.

Researchers at the time

were in a very optimistic mode.

I wouldn't say there were so much giddy

as just hopeful, that if they got the right leak,

or the right document, that they just might be

able to smash the wall of secrecy.

Then what happens?

Then we get entrants into the field by individuals

who start leaking documents of dubious

origin whose provenance was basically

unknown, that caused now

twenty five years of dissension

in the research field.

And it's the same within the mainstream media.

Serious media never in their news coverage

seriously promoted the extra terrestrial

hypothesis, what they did do was move that

to the realm of entertainment.

Any time someone brings such ideas up

seriously, what you find is the serious media

says well, you've been watching

too many movies.

So in a sense you could argue that the movies

are used to inoculate the public

against these truths.

So these demonstrably false UFO stories

become inoculations.

When the doctor inoculates you from a disease,

he gives you a little bit of it, and then

your body's immune system recovers, deals

with it and now you're kind of immune to it.

Look at the UFO

conferences, where are they held?

Usually in small dingy hotels with rather limited

numbers of people participating.

I mean there has to

be a reason why it's perpetuating.

You don't see conferences on leprechauns, so

why do we still have conferences on UFOs?

One of the keys to a disinformation campaign

is to have a feedback loop

and you need people on the inside to feed

back to you the results of the operation.

Probably Doty's first success in rounding up a

useful asset as they say in the

intelligence field, or a useful idiot as they also

say in the intelligence field was his

recruitment of a man named William Moore.

Now William Moore I think very significantly

was the co-author of the

first book about Roswell.

I was given the task of making

contact with Bill Moore and basically finding

what he knew and who he knew.

Bill was a little reluctant to disclose everything

to me, for obvious reasons.

Here I am a government agent coming in and

introducing myself and

wanting to know what he knew.

But there's techniques that we use,

that we're trained to use in gaining that

person's confidence, and I use those techniques

against Bill Moore and they worked and.

Bill Moore took me into his confidence

and we had a professional relationship as far as

him providing us information about the ufo

community and agreeing to say things we

wanted said regarding the ufo community

or within the ufo community.

The process of studying this phenomenon

and the people involved with it, of

assessing the claims and the counter-claims

and of dealing with the question of

how we as earthlings will react to the

the discovery of a race of extra terrestrial

visitors and how they will react to us

all of this and more when

finally looked at in perspective leads

us to the inescapable recognition that in

studying the ufo phenomenon

we are at the same time

becoming more aware of

ourselves as individuals.

Moore was singled out

because he had achieved considerable

celebrity within the ufo field and a certain

authenticity that would recommend him to

politicians and journalists,

and remember it's the

politicians and the journalists who are the

ultimate target of all of this disinformation.

I went to visit Bill, he had a bad back,

he was lying flat on his back,

he couldn't move, he was in traction

and I remember him very dramatically

saying to me 'aliens do exist, ufo's are real,

I know that now for a fact'.

Just seems kind of almost like a bad

science fiction movie, but that's kind of

what was going on at the time.

He was invested in maintaining these contacts

that he had supposedly inside the government.

At one point Bill Moore had played me

an early tape recording of a conversation he

had with Doty, and Moore was telling me,

you know, this is a huge breakthrough,

and this guy is like on the inside and

he's gonna give a lot of stuff away.

I just remember even back then that I was

kind of suspicious that it sounded a little too

good to be true, but I was kind of curious as to

why somebody who supposedly was in.

Air Force intelligence was speaking so openly

about some of these incredible things.

William Moore was using his

position as an executive of an outfit that

was called the Aerial Phenomena Research.

Organisation and in fact Moore

admitted that he paid off the secretary

of that organisation to send him reports at

once when they came in and

they went directly to Doty.

Bill didn't believe everything I was telling him

and obviously he's a very smart person

and a lot of the information I was telling him

wasn't factual.

If you were a UFO researcher and you were

offered documents that nobody had ever seen,

that pointed the way to what the government

might know about UFO's and in exchange you

basically had to report on what people were

thinking, what rumours were making the

rounds, that's what he was offered and in

exchange he was offered something that

nobody else had gotten up to that point

pure unadulterated information that would

lead him to the centre of the answer,

the answer to the question

you know, what does the government

know and are there actually some sort of

non-human intelligences

interacting with the human race.

Moore later was part of the

series of break-ins into the Bennewitz house,

and the psychological warfare program.

Again, self-admitted by Moore.

Moore was not working alone.

Others, I'm convinced went for the same deal,

and the deal was very simple.

You co-operate with us, and, we will give you

the information that the U.S government has

deep down in those vaults.

Now, this is the Faustian bargain that.

William Moore went for

and he came up short on it.

It became apparent to me that my supplying

information to the government through Doty

on the activities of Paul Bennewitz, APRO,

and to a lesser extent, several other

individuals was to be a part of this equation.

I also discovered that whatever it was that.

Bennewitz was involved with, he was the

subject of considerable interest on the part of

not one but several government agencies,

and that they were actively trying to defuse

him by pumping as much dis-information

through him as he could possibly absorb.

Being a very small part of that process gave me

I thought something of an advantage.

It became my intention to play that advantage

for all the information I could get out of it.

Bennewitz for his part...

Frankly I'm a little ashamed of

some people in this audience, regardless of

what you believe what you hear or not.

They had to stop the talk about

4 or 5 times just because of all the yelling.

People got mad ran out of there, I saw a woman

start crying and leave, people kept saying

'where'd you get all that crap from Bill'

and one guy said 'I'm gonna get a firehose'

and ran out the back. Very dramatic.

Bill's admission to working with government

agents was the first acknowledgement to

the degree which our government would go

in an attempt to keep the cover-up going, and

I think people were angry, maybe not so much

at Bill, but at themselves for their own

naiveté as allowing that to happen,

and refusing to acknowledge that they

could have been just as easily duped,

it's scary to think, gee somebody I trusted

might be playing me for the fool.

Bill Moore I think probably believed

what he was preaching.

I think he was one of these people that wanted

to believe that he was one of the chosen few

to spread this information,

to be the Moses of mythology, UFO mythology.

Moore's book was well received

and in my opinion, well done research,

but very troubling because the thesis was that.

Roswell was a real spaceship that crashed

and that the U.S government has the parts.

I believe that he was singled out precisely to

ultimately discredit him and Roswell, to keep

the press and the politicians off of Roswell.

July 8th 1947.

The army airforce has announced that a

flying disk has been found and is now in the

possession of the army.

Army officers say the missile found sometime

last week has been inspected at Roswell,

New Mexico and sent to Wright Field, Ohio

for further inspection.

The key thing to remember

about the alleged crash of a UFO at Roswell

in 1947 is that by the time of Paul Bennewitz's

involvement in the UFO field it had been entirely

forgotten by the UFO community, and it was

only with the publication in 1980 of the.

Roswell Incident by William Moore

and Charles Berlitz that the elements of

the Roswell story, the crashed spacecraft,

the recovered alien bodies, the pact between

the American government and the

extra-terrestrials to back engineer

their technology. All of these things have

eventually become the core story of the.

American UFO mythology.

Their craft crashed somewhere after coming all

these 50 light years, they crashed

and then they sent another one that crashed

again, and sent another one that crashed.

About nine crashes in the South West

in the late 40's and that would indicate

to me or at least suggest to me that we were

testing something that was crashing.

Roswell happened.

Two crashes, one in Roswell and one west.

They didn't find the craft for a couple of years,

it was all one crash but it took them a

couple of years to find the second crash site.

Things are getting weird man.

Now Doty played a massive role in the

perpetuation of the Roswell myth, many of the

ideas prominent in the UFO subculture for

two decades and it was completely avoided.

Rick Doty is certainly a fascinating character

and clearly a trickster.

A man who probably has

trouble figuring out whether he's lying

or not these days.

It would not surprise me

if people were selected to sow disinformation.

It would also not surprise me if some of the

people were selected because they were not

very bright, they lacked certain critical

judgment but were very energetic in putting

out certain messages, and I do often think that

some of the people in the government

agencies who have been involved in the.

UFO field were kind of pushed or nudged

in that direction.

They'd just go into the field and

muck it up automatically by themselves

without any external controls.

Rick is not the man you're after, it's the

person in the control position

that's important here. In my opinion

he was just simply a pawn in a

much larger game. Just as I was.

What we are hearing today about malevolent

aliens, underground bases, secret treaties

with the US government, has its roots

firmly planted in the Bennewitz affair.

The entire story of a secret treaty between

the US government and the aliens, of

exchanges of technology between us

and the aliens, of battles between the aliens

and American armed forces, and of aliens

having implanted hundreds of thousands,

if not millions, of human beings for the

purpose of taking over the world, and

using us as cattle, or slaves, came about as a

result of the disinformation process.

I know, because I was in a position to observe

much of this process as it unfolded, and

I was providing regular reports on its

effectiveness to some of the very people

who were doing it to Paul.

It wasn't a whole lot that we did.

It was just a simple, really, really, simple,

nod and statement to Paul that what he was

seeing was probably UFOs.

It's generally assumed that the counter

intelligence operation conducted against.

Paul Bennewitz was designed to throw him off

the scent of some kind of classified

experimental technology that he was

accidentally filming over Kirtland AFB

but when you stop to think

about it this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

If the Kirtland base personnel really had wanted

him to stop his investigations they

could have ordered him to do so

instead they encouraged him to continue his

research and indeed facilitated his growing

delusions about an extra-terrestrial invasion.

What this suggests is that rather than a

campaign directed against Paul Bennewitz

this was an information war on the.

American UFO community.

And there are a number of reasons why.

Air Force Intelligence might have wanted to use.

Bennewitz as a conduit for disinformation.

The ufologists were constantly seeking

evidencefor the extra-terrestrial conspiracy

and theUFO cover-up. They were digging

through documents, they were hanging

around secret air bases and quite likely

stumbling upon genuine military secrets.

And a more serious possibility is that.

Soviet agents may have been infiltrating the.

UFO field in order to extract this kind of

information about new technologies.

I think it's no coincidence that the timing

of the operation against Paul Bennewitz

dovetales with the development of the.

Stealth programme, and at the time this was

the absolute pinnacle of global aviation

technology and that's exactly the sort of thing

that Soviet agents would be looking for.

If you guys are doing a film... I...

I do not want to do an interview in a film

in which you're going to try to communicate

that there's nothing to UFOs than

advance technologies being used to cover...

I mean... No No.

Then all you're doing is playing

into the government's hands...

that's absolutely what they want people to do...

No...

That's absolutely not what we're doing.

People trying to put out

documentaries about UFOs seemed to be

teased over and over and have the rug pulled

out from under them at the last minute.

In the late '70s a rumour started circulating that

there was a film of a UFO landing at.

Holloman Air Force Base, in New Mexico.

And apparently a UFO came and landed at the

air force base, on the tarmac, a group of

people went up to meet him, there was a sort of

exchange of information

the alien got back in his ship and took off.

I have wondered,

whether that film - I think as many people

have wondered - that film was an

abortive attempt at some kind of disclosure.

We began with an invitation and met with.

Paul Shardle, who was head of security for the.

Depository, where all the films by the military

are sent, out at Norton.

We talked about possible programmes such

as three-dimensional moving holography,

atomic fission, a dog programme where they

trained Shepherds to do reconnaissance,

and a lot of laser work at Wright Patterson.

Then he said: "I want you to come with me"

into this studio."

We went into a studio, which was a clean room.

He said: "What would you think if we told you"

that in the early '70s there was a landing

of an alien craft at Holloman Air Force Base,

and our TDY, temporary duty guys, had

"filmed it?" And I was just sort of scratching my

head thinking, UFOS?!

What are we talking about?

So he said: "Look, if you're interested",

bury that under the other projects, as UFO

"sends up a red flag." He said.

"If you're interested, go talk to Captain"

somebody, and he'll start a liaison with

"the Pentagon." Which we did.

I was told that there was footage

and that was sort of like a carrot.

Where you'll be provided with a film

that we have, 900 feet of Ektachrome,

and off we began our project.

We had a legal contract with the Pentagon

and an agreement on everything that we were

gonna be doing and their total co-operation.

They fulfilled every one of our requests,

they vetted our information, gave sanction to it,

they really did not influence the content at all,

I was quite surprised.

Even the people at Holloman did not say

"what are you doing?

What are you talking about?"

They seemed to confirm that

something had happened.

And the film was not forthcoming

but I knew where it was and what it was and

was told by one of the people we worked with

that it was confiscated at the last minute

because it didn't seem appropriate.

So we ended up having to go to animation.

But everything else was documented

as I recall it happening.

It was a daylight shot of a light ascending

on Holloman Air Force Base.

And with that little clip, that's all that I tell you

it's genuine.

A landing of a craft at Holloman...

it was... film... very brief... that's all...

you know... I can tell you it's genuine...

Just that snippet that you saw?

Just a light...

coming down from above...

it was really not that distinguishable

it was just among other footage,

that's all I can tell you...

And just to say on camera that you

never saw the Holloman Landing footage?

Not really...

Oh... OK!

Can you elaborate?

Can we just

wait for that car?

Saved by the car!

I'm trying to think how to answer that.

I knew what the film was about, all the details.

But I never saw a real projected version.

You saw a still of it?

Yes.

What is your bottom line?

Beginning, middle and end?

Our bottom line is that

there is a UFO phenomenon that's

genuine and needs to be studied, and seriously

and one of the things that makes that

difficult is the muddying of the waters by

people like Rick Doty, Walter Bosley and

others who are working for

who ever else they're working for,

CIA, NSA, and they are making the work of

people like yourself, and us, and others who

want to understand what's really going on

very, very difficult.

If you believe that it's

true then you have to buy in

to this phantasmagorical, conspiratorial, bizarre,

nonsensical, ridiculous story, and

when I've sat down with Rick, his response to

me is, you know, it's really all true.

Rick's great strength is

that he's a wonderful storyteller.

He's a very friendly guy,

he builds relationships easily.

My immediate instinct is to trust him.

I think it's very easy

to mislead people in the UFO community.

You get them going down a certain trail..

You give them certain leads and you just

watch people chase their tails over

and over again, looking for the truth.

I was living and working in New York when.

Linda Howe actually came to stay with me for

a few days and it was right in the midst of her

working on this HBO project.

Linda was sort of, I believe, on the track

at the time, of thinking that this was the

film that was gonna again expose everything,

and I believe she was in touch with Doty at

the time, in fact I think she had even gone

to see him face to face.

And that was very curious to me because

I'd known about this guy through Bill, you know,

Bill Moore, and I thought, hmm,

now he's sort of hooking Linda in the same way.

Doty said that he has names of people

who are witnesses. A security guard has a gun

melted in his hand, there's a disc, beings.

I want to investigate that story.

The original plan with Linda Howe was to

obtain as much information as she knew,

and to find out what she was going to air

in this documentary for HBO

and whether we wanted it aired or not.

So I drove her out to Kirtland, to the OSI office.

I took her into a special room,

I told her it was the Commander's office,

which wasn't really, necessarily true...

The first thing that shifted this from what I

thought was going to be a five minute meeting

get these names, phone numbers

and addresses and go on -

I had already set up other things to do...

"That documentary that you did

broadsided the government."

"How do you mean?"

"Nobody ever expected that a credible journalist

would ever take on the animal mutilation story."

It was like something was shifting in the air...

Where is this going?

What is happening here?

He never gave me a list of names

or phone numbers. Instead, he said.

"My superiors have asked me to

show you something."

Pulled out this manila envelope,

pulled out these pages

and as he's handing them to me, he says.

"You can read these but you cannot take notes."

You can ask me questions

but I want you to move from that chair

you are sitting in to that chair...

Everything that was done there was being

filmed by other agents in another room

and there was a two way mirror.

And I'm looking at the top page, and it's all caps.

Briefing Paper for the President

of the United States of America

on Unidentified Aerial Vehicles.

And I'm trying to read what is the most

remarkable series of letters and words that has

probably ever been handed to me

because this was new, I was innocent.

And it started out about all of these places

in the United States that the government had

retrieved discs that were identified as

extra-terrestrial.

I knew some names, like Roswell.

There was Aztec, Magdelena, South of Laredo,

down in Arizona.

There were... my mind was kind of reeling at

how many places this is saying, because

all of us had only heard of Roswell, really.

And eventually it came to paragraphs that are

as indelibly emblazed on my mind sitting

here today as they were then.

And the one that is probably

worth sharing from all of this.

"These extra-terrestrials manipulated DNA"

in already evolved primates to create

"homo sapiens."

And I remember reading that sentence

over several times, trying to absorb

the implication of its meaning.

Because if homo sapiens is a genetically

constructed species by extra-terrestrials,

we are then, by definition,

a planet of six and a half billion androids.

If we are androids,

what purpose are we serving?

All of that hit me, reading that sentence.

Then, on the last page

paragraph, paragraph, paragraph, paragraph.

PROJECT GARNET, all caps.

All questions and mysteries about the

evolution of homo sapiens on this planet

have been answered and this project is closed.

The documents that I showed her

came from our special office in Washington,

with the operational plan and

what I was supposed to do.

And the plans to show her these.

And I'd read them, and I knew

what was in them

and I realised that some of

the information contained in them was real.

But then I realised that you have to give

some real information in order

for a person to think you're credible.

So I knew what was in there

and I gave them to her

and it was sanctioned.

I did what I was told to do.

When you look back at it

they must have had meetings about.

"How do we stop"

a persistent and dogged reporter

who has already demonstrated that

she's going to go after a

really, really difficult subject.

"How do we stop her?"

When you look back

it all makes sense.

She wanted me to tell her things

that I couldn't tell her

and at one point she

went public with my name

and she did what Paul Bennewitz

and Bill Moore didn't do

and she publicised the fact

that she was deceived

by a government agency,

namely OSI

and although there were many other

people involved with that operation

she named my name

and so I became a public figure.

We actually played a trick on Linda

that, er, kind of paid her back so to speak.

Not anything that harmed her in any way

or anything like that.

We kind of planted something

that she ran with which wasn't factual

and I think she realised that

maybe she should keep her mouth shut

after that.

The forged documents

shown to Linda Moulton Howe

by Richard Doty would form the basis of the.

Majestic 12 papers

which expanded upon the story of the.

Roswell UFO crash and provided

the foundations for the future

mythology in America.

And over three decades later

these documents are still dividing

the international UFO community.

Before it had always been inferred

that a cover-up was underway.

There was talk about who was involved

and so forth, but there was never

any paperwork.

Here's the paperwork.

A package showed up at the home of.

Jamie Shandera, who was Bill's

sort of writing and research partner.

What it contained was a canister of 35mm film

they developed it, and what was on it was

photographs of this document, saying that there

was a group that had been controlling UFO

information, how it was released in public

and how the government should deal with it.

Regarding the MJ-12 documents that were

released to Jamie Shandera and Bill Moore,

I had absolutely nothing to do with that.

The document could be real, and because

of the nature of it, it made a perfect

perception management device.

People have to realise that these things may

not be to cover up the truth about flying saucers

it may be more to gather information

about how the public responds

to manipulation.

When I print off the sum total of

all those documents - you get a stack

about this thick

when you read them through

as one day I decided this is what

I am going to do,

it's very impressive.

To have faked it would have required a team,

a high level team, of very very expert individuals

who know everything about document creation,

science and technology in the 1940s and '50s

and a whole bunch of other things.

I looked at them, and initially I thought

they were good forgeries, but over time

my opinion of their quality has gone down hill.

The use of a zero in front of a date,

the use of an extraneous comma

the obviously photocopied signature

they just keep getting worse and worse.

If they were faked, the only thing that

one can say is, the UFO topic was considered

important enough by these people to create

the most elaborate, incredible, detailed

series of papers, and one would have to ask

if they're faked.

Why?

There were some investigations conducted

by FBI, OSI, regarding the MJ12 documents,

extensive investigations, just to determine

whether these things were legitimate

whether they contained classified

information and then who released them.

I was interviewed as a suspect

did I do these?

It was proven that I didn't do 'em. But

somebody outside the government created it

and in that particular instance

I don't know if the government

would prosecute them.

Doing that would lend credence to the

document and then they would have to

disclose the information

and so the best thing to do is just say...

we did an investigation

and not tell anyone what the outcome was.

I like to think of UFOs

as weapons of mass deception, and

the role of the intelligence organisations

and the military, in propagating UFO

mythology, as somewhat analogous

to what evolutionary biologists call

a punctuated equilibrium.

The UFO mythology develops of its own accord

and the Mirage Men will just drop a new

piece of data, a new meme, some new faked

documents into the mix as and when it is

expedient for them to do so.

And so there's no real need for a sustained.

UFO deception campaign because the folklore

is just perfectly capable of sustaining itself.

The US government had a once secret

programme in which 12 astronauts

were sent to an alien home world, Serpo

thirty eight point four light years away

from the years 1965 to 1978.

When the returning astronauts came back

I believe there were seven, that report was

finalised into a report called.

Project Serpo in 1980.

Rumours about this kind of thing had been

flying around since the 1960s or '70s,

so it's got some kind of historical provenance.

In November of 2005.

Project Serpo was sent to my UFO thread list

I received an email from someone

he requested to be anonymous.

When I first read that bombshell email

it was far different from anything

I'd ever received

and even though it was a version that was

different from what I was familiar with

it had the ring of truth.

Someone within the government would have

to be co-operating because I can tell you

that a lot of information

not all of the particular details,

but a lot of the information is factual

I believe it is a disinformation campaign

to lead people astray.

That said, a good disinformation campaign

a good perception management campaign

always includes nuggets of fact and truth

and some of those nuggets of facts

and truth should be, if you're going to do it

effectively, should be some of the more

extreme facts or truths.

They brought back thousands of soil samples

samples from the Eben civilisation, and I

believe all these artefacts are now ensconced

at Bolling Air Force Base.

And photographs too.

There's always a possibility that the Serpo story

was created for disinformation to present

to the Soviets back during the Cold War

and somebody stumbled on to it.

There's always that possibility,

but I don't think so.

It's not a professional job.

Myself and three others were working as

a research team looking into the Serpo story.

We really wanted to get to the bottom

of Rick's involvement in it.

People within the UFO community

immediately said.

'Hey, is Richard Doty involved in this?

Did Richard Doty do this?'

I never had anything to do

with the Serpo story.

We were adamant at this time that Rick Doty

was the person sending the information.

But we didn't have any proof and the only way

we could get that proof was if we could see

an actual copy of the original emails

that the anonymous source

had been sending Victor.

Unless Rick Doty is one the greatest novelists

and writers of the 21st century,

it's not him.

We came up with a plan.

We'll use the same name and just contact.

Victor and let him think his anonymous

source was back in touch with him.

We asked Victor to send us copies of the emails

that we, allegedly, had sent him which meant

we could look at the headers of these emails

to determine where they actually came from.

And it was from looking at those headers

and having emails from Rick Doty to compare

against, that it was indeed Rick Doty's.

IP address on the Request Anonymous emails,

and, as it turned out later, he was also

several other people in the story.

All contacting Victor and Victor thinking

he's been contacted by a multitude of different

people when in fact it was all one person

it was all Rick Doty.

I didn't create it, I didn't, err, conspire with

anyone else to create it.

It was created by somebody else and,

those people, I don't know.

How do we ever know

what we know?

Apart from Victor Martinez who really

started this thing off

I'm the only name who's known.

We've got this anonymous storyteller

round this giant camp fire who's entertaining us

with this incredible tale, and we're sitting here

with bright eyes with the flickering flames

thinking 'wow, tell us some more'.

The idea of disinformation is that

it's meant to be believed.

With Serpo, the first response is

'well this is fascinating, but it's ridiculous.'

Of course there's an aspect of me that

wants to believe this wonderful story.

I had no idea where this would be leading...

Well when I first met Bill Ryan

at the Loughlin conference in 2006

he presented himself as someone being

given information to reveal to the public

he didn't quite know why but thought

it was very important.

What's strange about the Serpo thing and.

Richard Doty was that he denied, you know,

continually and vociferously that he had

anything to do with it, yet he came to the.

Loughlin UFO convention to see what was

going on there, to hear Bill Ryan talk and

announce this to the world in person rather

than just on the radio and basically had his

hands in a lot of things that were going on

or at least looked like

an interested bystander.

Why should he be interested in this silly story?

Wonderful question.

We don't know whether Anonymous

got this from the movie or whether.

Spielberg had the tip-off that this was one of the

ways, as many people in this community

suspect, over the years, the public

have been gradually acclimatized to the

possibility of this contact

with an extra-terrestrial race

by seeding little parts of the truth here

and there in movies is the best way to get

ideas through to the general population.

This might have been

one of the ways of doing it.

I think the information should be

brought out to the public.

Let the public decide

whether this is real or not.

Whether you think

the information is real or not, or whatever

the proportion of that might be the case

this is a government operation.

If it's a government operation

these guys wouldn't be doing their job

if they weren't following me

every step of the way.

Ever since the middle of November

I've been assuming that I'm being monitored.

If they're not doing that

they're not doing their job.

And it's like I'm one part of a team but

I don't even know who

the other team members are.

And I have to assume that

I'm being bugged.

I mean, this may be paranoid but

whatever's going on, it's happening at a

government level, and therefore everything

I do is being watched.

I have to assume I'm being tested.

You know the whole Bill Moore stuff?

Yeah, yeah. No absolutely.

I wasn't around then

but if they were hanging around...

where I did... to see

whether he would make a good spook...

just to see whether he was

willing to obey orders...

I have to assume that's

there's something more at stake.

You see, what I...

You also

need to have a really good bullshit detector.

Yes I know.

Since 1985 I've talked to 18

people at the cabinet level or above

including 4 presidents.

About a third of them have said 'It's true',

about a third have said 'I heard it,

and I think it's true' and about

a third of them have said.

'I don't have a clue.

I do think though, Doctor Green,

that this important for you to investigate.'

Turn it off for a minute.

The trouble with the whole UFO thing

is there are so many people who make up.

BS stories that no one can check.

Somebody can step forward and say.

'I'll tell you what's going on in UFOs', and they

can say 'I've briefed the President',

'I've done this, I know what's going on'.

I don't know... I think there's

too much BS in that field.

Part of the problem that UFOs created was

that there were people within government

within the air force, within the CIA, who

really believed that flying saucers existed.

And because they had stature

because they had rank

their opinion was considered proof.

Unless we understand

and work effectively for the principles

on which our American way of life

is founded the structure will crumble.

Well, before going to Norton Air Force Base,

going into a clean room and being told we

had a landing by someone who seemed to be

respectable, his name was all over the wall as

head of security, and his boss and everything

agreeing... I didn't believe it then, but

then when confronted with the information

I now realise after working with

intelligence people that it's a reality.

And they stand behind the idea that

they don't disbelieve it's just so far it's not

proven to be a threat to our national security

and that's the way they got out from under it.

In the intelligence community there are

definitely people who are interested in

extraordinary phenomena, particularly UFOs

definitely believers in there, because you

don't work in that profession

and it's not just a profession

it's a world unto itself

without learning some things.

How many pictures do you need

how many eye witnesses,

how do you study something that controls,

possibly, even this programme?

What is known of the truth of them

these other beings?

What if the truth is bad? Could be.

What if we're their farm animals?

What if they eat us psychically?

Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of possibilities

there that are not good.

I think we are surfing on the wave of a huge

adventure of the opportunity of humankind

rolling into a totally new era

and that wave might break one of these days.

Even the Vatican recently has come out in

preparation saying 'Hey, listen, you know if

there is anybody out there, they're all.

God's creations and they're our brothers and

sisters really.' I mean, what a set-up

that is for what might be coming next.

We're really a by-product of

extra-terrestrial intervention.

We're really - I mean, this is my view

that we're... we've been genetically altered by,

maybe not one, maybe perhaps several

extra-terrestrial races.

The government obviously doesn't want to

tell us, otherwise they'd disclose

everything they knew.

And the most important players,

the aliens, don't want disclosure

because they could disclose any time.

I mean, they control most of the cards.

I don't have any files, any photographs,

anything to show you, I just have a lot of

personal research, I have my professional

experiences and I have the bona fides, the

tested bona fides of the sources

and I have my intuition.

And those things all fit together

and you kind of get a picture.

There is a planet, that orbits Sirius

the Dog Star system, they are human

they are very much interested in us

and they have been key to our survival

and they are capable of coming here

certainly others have come here.

Um, now... could that be part of disinformation?

Absolutely.

I read things even today that we fed to.

Paul Bennewitz or to Linda Howe or to.

Bill Moore that I fed to them.

And I see that today and it's surprising that

that stuff's still there but it just shows

we were a professional organisation

and we did our job

and that information is still out there.

People whose job it was to make the subject

look ridiculous over the last 50 or 60

years have done a very good job.

I don't know where they're from, I don't know.

I don't know where they're from.

I know that they're not, like,

from Detroit, you know.

That's as far as I can take it.

So again, when somebody starts saying

'well here's who they are',

'here's why they're here',

they lose me almost immediately.

I was selected to participate in a special

access programme within the

counter intelligence community.

My supervisor selected me

and said 'you're going to be briefed

into a programme and you're going to be

responsible for investigating everything

associated with this programme'.

The first part of the briefing dealt with

how the United States Air Force were countering

unauthorised disclosure of technology to the

public by using the UFO phenomena

as a cover.

And then the second part of the briefing was

where we were actually shown and briefed

about the United States government

involvement with extra-terrestrials since the

late 1940s, which was obviously the most

interesting part of the briefing.

Well they showed us a lot of things.

They showed us a film which was late 40s or

early 50s film of a recovery operation which

they talked about as being in Roswell.

They showed crash debris, they showed

extra-terrestrial bodies

and then there was also a briefing showing a

live alien sitting in a room talking to people.

And then the narrator of this film talked about

the continuation of a connection between the.

United States government and

extra-terrestrial civilizations.

After viewing this I was not sure if it was real,

if it was... they presented it to us for

some reason, maybe some kind of

psychological conditioning, I don't think

I initially believed any of it.

But after the film was over with and the.

Air Force Colonel in uniform then started

talking about the operation, the programme

how the United States government, and it was

always the United States government, it wasn't.

Air Force or Army it was the United States

government, how they progressed from

the early days, meaning the crash retrieval

operations in the late 40s until now

which was the late 70s.

And then the more he spoke, the more I

realised that what I saw was real.

I mean this guy wouldn't be sitting here

standing here talking to us with the people in

the room briefing into this high-level

programme if it was a hoax.

A fractured hall of mirrors with a quicksand

floor that nobody knows exactly what the

truths are and everybody has found themselves

completely suspicious of the motives of any

human being because counter-intelligence

in England and the United States and a lot of

other countries have worked overtime to

misinform and to tell the public and

the media there is nothing to

the UFO phenomenon.

It's a lie - I have no question about it -

and my work is to try to shed some light on

what could be so threatening out of

some other intelligence from some

other part of the universe or

it's been here for two billion years

and it's not extra-terrestrial but we're

the new ones on the block.

What is it that is considered so threatening

that governments will kill people

to keep it silent?

They can't come forth and say

'yeah, OK, we had contact in 1947,

all this is real'.

What would that do?

That would open up the Pandora's Box,

because there would be millions and millions

and millions of people asking questions

that somebody has to answer.

The easiest thing for the government to do

is just to say 'no comment' or

'no, it I didn't happen'.

But there are so many people, so many people

within the government that have come forth

with information saying 'it did happen',

'it's real', and the reason I'm doing it

is because I asked the government

a long time ago

'hey what am I supposed to say?'

And they're going to say

'you stick to the fact it's not real'.

But when the government tried to discredit me

on something then I went to them and said.

'Listen, you're telling everybody it's not real

and I know it's real, and you know it's

real and all these other people know it's real

so I'm going to tell the public

what I know about it'.

And the government basically said

'do what you gotta do'.

Let's take one

step at a time.

You're looking at Richard Doty,

and by looking at him, you're taking a

glimpse into a whole machine

that now has a life of its own.

Well, I was a young man and I'd heard

about UFOs, but you know I didn't believe

it was even possible to a have a UFO

but then I went... to an Air Force Base,

an Air Force Base they took me aside and said,

'You know what?

Guess what? We have an alien among us'.

And I said, 'You got to be kidding.'

And they said 'Would we kid anybody? No!'

Up on the Air Force Base, up on the Air Force.

Base, and now I stand before you

saying that I am a true believer in UFOs.

Believer in UFOs!

UFOs are real indeed!

That is so dumb!

I don't even make any sense.