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-Okay, I'm not gonna sugarcoat this, Darcy.
-Do you ever?
-Of all the "Don't" movies that we could have chosen
for our second feature, this one...
-Yeah?
Don't even make me say it.
-It's okay. Many people have said it.
-I'm not a big fan of the "so bad it's good" movement, and --
-I'm not, either. So, are you saying this is bad?
-Darcy, I think you know what I'm about to say, and --
-It's not as bad as you're about to say it is.
-It's not only the worst "Don't" movie ever made.
It's one of the top 10 worst of the worst.
-Wow, that is bold. -But it troubles me
because I just found out I'm connected to this movie.
-No way. How? -Yes, and not just because
it's made by Texan and it stars a Texan that I knew,
but now I find out that James Bryan, the director,
attended three universities to prepare himself
to create this masterpiece of a disaster piece,
and one of those three universities was my college.
Now, I'm not gonna say which one,
'cause I don't want to embarrass the student body.
We didn't have a film department,
so I don't know what he was doing there in the first place.
-Wait, Vanderbilt doesn't have a film department?
-Darcy, shut up! -Oh, sorry.
But they really don't offer
film studies? -Maybe they do now.
When I was there, they didn't consider film
a legitimate form of communication.
They thought of the Gutenberg Bible as new media.
But that's neither here nor there.
He actually studied at UCLA after that
and made his first film there.
The only reason we're doing this film tonight...
-Because we couldn't afford the other "Don't" films?
-Probably. Alright. -Probably.
-I'm talking about "Don't Go in the Woods," which --
-Whoo! Yeah! -Yeah!
-Let's start with the title.
Shouldn't it be "Don't Go Into the Woods"?
"Don't Go in the Woods" Sounds like
you're thinking about using the woods as a toilet.
So if somebody says, "No, don't go in the woods --"
And actually, the original title --
the original screenplay had the title of "Sierra"
'cause it was supposed to take place
in the Sierra Nevada mountains,
but James Bryant changed it
to "Don't Go in the Woods Alone,"
which is even worse because now you're saying,
"Okay, fine to use the woods as a toilet.
Just make sure you go two at a time."
So, just a few of the phrases that critics
have used to describe the film we're about to watch.
"Nonsense bloodbath." -Whoo!
-"The 'Plan 9 from Outer Space' of slasher films."
-Whee! -"Why would Britain
even bother to ban it?"
That's talking about the fact
that it ended up on the video nasty list.
"The pinnacle of laughable absurdity."
"A killer who grunts like a constipated pirate
and sports a hilarious wardrobe."
"Flat-out garbage."
-Whoo! -"No plot, not a scrap
of characterization, no structure, no dynamic.
In fact, nothing to compel
or even mildly interest the viewer."
-Whoo! -"The score sounds like
someone banging their head on a synthesizer."
"Rated X for excrement."
-The people that said that are not our people.
-So, if you ask people,
"How did you get involved with 'Don't Go in the Woods'?"
they all say the same name.
"Peter Turner told me about it and asked me to be in it
and the next day I was on a plane to Salt Lake City."
Now, Peter Turner --
Peter Turner was an agent at the William Morris Agency.
He was actually one of the --
He was actually one of the first fans I ever had.
He read my column every week,
and he attended one of the very first stand-up shows
I ever did at Wolfgang's in San Francisco.
That was a rock-'n'-roll club
owned by the concert promoter Bill Graham.
And Peter was kind of a strange guy
who had his own little cluttered kingdom at William Morris.
He had all these file cabinets with well-thumbed movie scripts
that sometimes went back 20 or 30 years.
And he would pull out these scripts and he would say,
"Hey, here's one from 1954 that never got made,"
and then he would force you to read it.
And it was sort of this misfit agency within an agency.
And half the writers he represented were dead
or homeless or living abroad
or they had one script they'd written 10 years ago.
And when you went into his office there in Beverly Hills,
it was separated from all the other offices,
and nobody would ever go in there.
And so you wanted to say, "So, Peter, does William Morris
know that you work for them?"
So, that was Peter Turner.
And he came to my first real stand-up show at Wolfgang's
'cause he read my review of "Don't Go in the Woods."
I just found this out. -And he must have liked it.
-Well, most of the review was about my ex, Wanda Bodine,
who at the time was gold-digging this Houston dude
named Stookie McMahay,
who was district manager for Magnum Power Tongs.
But it was also about "Hubcap" Carter,
the legendary Dallas radio deejay
who plays the sheriff in the movie.
And it turns out that Hubcap Carter
and James Bryan, the director,
had known each other since they went to first grade
together in Lufkin, Texas, which is an old sawmill town
in the deep piney woods of East Texas.
And the bottom line here,
Peter Turner put together this whole movie,
got the money, got the script, got the actors.
He found me because I wrote about it,
and he eventually became my agent.
But even after he became my agent,
he never told me or admitted
that he was the packager behind "Don't Go in the Woods"
because I guess everybody associated with the movie
was embarrassed by it,
except for James Bryan, the director,
who said, quote, bad movies were his preferred genre.
Okay, so, when I first started reviewing movies
back in the '70s, we had the first repertory film theaters,
or what they called "art houses" were sometimes called.
And the repertory film theaters would occasionally have
cult programs in which they would advertise
the worst film ever made.
And it was always the same film --
"Plan 9 from Outer Space."
"Plan 9 from Outer Space" was shown so many times
that people started complaining, saying,
"Actually, that's not the worst film ever made.
There's much more entertaining worst films ever made.
'Manos: The Hands of Fate' or 'Troll 2' or 'The Room.'"
In fact, I think if you took a poll today --
"What's the best so-bad-it's-good movie?" --
"The Room" would probably win the poll.
Either that or "Birdemic."
But at one time, "Showgirls" was considered a candidate
for worst movie ever made. -That's just crazy.
-And then the tide turned, and it became
a bona fide cult movie.
I created one myself.
There was this company called Media Blasters
that asked me to do the commentary track for a DVD
of a movie called "Samurai Cop," a very obscure film
that had kind of fallen off the face of the Earth.
Within a couple of years, people were doing midnight screenings
of "Samurai Cop" with cast reunions.
We created one on this show. Remember "Demon Wind"?
-I do. -When we showed "Demon Wind,"
it hadn't been dusted off for years,
but it, too, became a midnight movie.
But when this film was released
on November the 20th, 1981,
The Hollywood Reporter immediately --
immediately deemed it "the worst movie ever made."
Now, my point is, okay, bad is in the eye of the beholder
and good is in the eye of the beholder
and "so bad it's good" is not really something we do.
We leave that to "Mystery Science Theater 3000,"
right, Darcy? -Yeah.
I never actually view films that way.
If I like it, I like it.
Therefore, there's no "so bad it's good."
I think it's good.
-Well, Darcy... -Okay.
-There's a big hairy hippie in a Viking costume
stringing beads across his face
and slicing open skulls with a machete
in the mountainous forests of the Wasatch Mountains of Utah.
-Hell, yeah, there is.
-Why is he doing it? -He's a maniac.
-And what made him a maniac? -Who cares?
He's a maniac.
-"Don't Go in the Woods" is not big on backstories,
but we know from the comments
made later by James Bryan, the director,
that the maniacal killer chooses his victims
according to their fashion sense.
This is not in the movie, but tourists and bad clothes
get their guts choked out,
and sometimes he just hangs around campsites
breathing real loud and waiting for somebody to say,
"I think I'll go see what the noise is out there."
The movie is basically 80 minutes of a guy
in a buffalo-hide tuxedo making sausage out of people,
including one guy in a wheelchair.
And the big paint-the-woods-red finale is fairly disgusting.
In other words, no plot to get in the way of the story.
-Whoo! Let's do this!
-So we won't call it "so bad it's good."
We'll call it so badass, good people thought it was bad.
And let's get to the "Drive-In Totals."
-Okay -We have...
No idea how that could happen.
"Drive-In" Academy Award nominations for Hubcap Carter
as the chubby sheriff who says,
"What's the story on this wild man?"
Jack McClelland as the camper who says,
"You mean there are little furry perverts running around
doing unnatural things in the woods?"
James Bryan, the director,
for losing half the footage in one scene,
including the footage showing the only person speaking,
but using the scene anyway,
and Peter Turner, the William Morris agent,
for calling up all his friends one day and saying,
"Hey, want to be in a movie?" so that he could sell a script.
Two and a half stars. Joe Bob says check it out.
Now, this is one of those movies...
...where every line from every character
is exactly what they mean.
There's no deception, no second agenda,
nothing hidden,
no sudden mid-movie character reveals.
Guy in checked shirt acting stupid?
Okay. Kill him. Next.
I mean, this is the kind of movie that makes you long
for the moral complexity of "Police Academy 5."
-Ooh, "Assignment Miami Beach."
-Yeah. -Yeah.
-That was the first one with no Steve Guttenberg.
You know, putting all that pressure on Matt McCoy
to fill that role.
I don't think Matt McCoy killed the franchise, though.
"Police Academy 7: Mission to Moscow" --
that's the one that -- that's the one
that deep-sixed the franchise.
-Charlie Schlatter. -Yeah.
-Yeah. It wasn't his fault, though.
-I don't blame Charlie Schlatter.
Those Gutenberg-McCoy shoes,
they were clown shoes by that time.
That was hard to fill those without lifts.
Wait, what?
-Nothing. -Okay.
-Schlatter didn't have the high-jinks gene.
That was his problem. -I liked him.
He was good. -No high-jinks gene.
Ugh!
-Huh? Ah.
Huh? Huh?
Ahh!
-Peter! Hey, Peter!
Where have you been?
-Peter, we were worried.
Lookit.
If you're gonna survive in the wilderness,
you got to remember three things.
First is, don't panic.
If you're lost and scared,
you ain't gonna make it.
Gets dark on you, figure on spending the night.
-Any Howard Johnsons will do just fine.
-Uh-huh. -And you can forget
all that Boy Scout nonsense
about following rivers downstream.
Get on top of something high. The undergrowth is too thick.
You got to be able to see.
Go from ridge to ridge, not river to river.
-What's the third thing, Colonel Crockett?
-First, don't panic.
Second, go up, not down.
What's the third?
-Actually, the most important of all.
-Stay at home and forget it?
-Never, never go in the woods alone.
-Yeah! Don't go in the woods alone?
Yeah, always bring somebody along to carry your pack.
-Peter, what you need is someone to carry you.
Getting lost the first two hours.
Shame.
-Peter, that could have been a fatal mistake,
jumping off a log.
There might have been a snake under there.
You get lost or hurt in the wilderness alone,
you've had it. You're dead.
-But that's okay, Craig, 'cause we've got you.
-When you said camping, I thought you meant
a nice cabin near a lake,
air conditioning and hot showers,
color TV.
-Do you know at this very minute
I am missing "As the World Turns"?
-Oh, come on, you guys. It's beautiful out here.
-Oh, if you love to go outside, just roll in the brush
and beat yourself with thorns and thistles.
-It's beautiful. -Yeah, yeah.
Listen to the guy who slept all the way in the car.
-Joannie, dear, I never get tired from resting.
-When we get to the top then we rest.
-Something smells strong.
-What a stink!
Ugh, it's really strong over here.
Ugh! Rancid.
-Decay.
And out of decay...
And be careful of rabies, too.
-How do you tell the rabid from the un-rabid?
-I mean, any animal acting contrary to nature.
-You mean there are little furry perverts running around
doing unnatural things in these woods?
-Avoid any animal approaching you in the woods.
-Plenty of bears up here, aren't there?
-Wolves, too.
-The most feared animal in the woods is man.
Ingrid, no animal in his right mind is going to bother us.
Dale! Dale, wait for me!
-I just want to go up here and get a shot
of the train pulling in.
I'm going ahead. -Dale!
-Oh, this is gonna be a great shot!
Come on! -Dale!
Dale!
Don't leave me alone!
Dale!
Dale!
Dale! Dale!
Dale, where are you?
Dale! Dale, wait for me, Dale!
Ahh!
-Ah!
Ah, this is where I want to live.
-Marsh. It says marsh. Obviously a small lake now.
-Yeah, this is it. This is really it.
-All the mountain ridges in the area meet right here.
-Peter! -Most hikers start here
and then go down to any one of those five canyons.
-Huh.
Are we near the cabin?
-We could go... -Ingrid, come here.
-...to the old cabin tonight. -Look what I found.
-But if we circle around that way,
there's a terrific trail some friends of mine found.
-It smells like something died. -Beautiful country.
-If it all looks like this, it sounds great.
-We camp out tonight, end up at the cabin tomorrow.
♪Let me play you a melody ♪
♪In three-part harmony ♪
♪For me and you ♪
♪Only two ♪
♪Won't you sit and stay for a while? ♪
♪Let me see your beautiful smile ♪
♪Only thing I think of is you ♪
♪There's been good times and there's been bad ♪
♪Good times were all we had ♪
-Hey, thanks. I'll put in a good word for you.
-The sheriff seen this report yet?
-You know he's busy and asked not to be disturbed.
-Something's wrong.
There have been four reports in the same area.
-Bears again. -Ever handcuff a grizzly?
-If any of my bears come into town,
then you can arrest them.
Otherwise, the county Mounties will take care of them.
-For the last time, the sheriff is busy.
He does not want to be disturbed.
-Right.
-Stop messing in county business, Jessie.
The sheriff will take care of everything
outside the city limits.
We're city. He's county.
-I heard you were busy.
-Another missing-person report?
-Same area, too.
-It's the friggin' call of the wild.
Some of those people shouldn't be out there at all.
-Yeah, a day or so ago.
He was a real strange dresser.
Looked like one of those bird men.
Yeah, I might have figured he was some kind of professor.
-He's an ornithologist. -Is that a fact?
Talked just like everybody else.
-Well, if he comes back up this way again,
tell him he's been reported missing.
Ask him to give us a call.
Oh, hi!
Hi there. Be careful.
-Okay. Thanks a lot.
-It's gonna be one of those summers.
Ahh!
-Did I hear everyone say they wanted to camp here?
-Yeah. -Yeah.
-Good.
At first,
all they noticed
was a strange, sickening smell.
-Huh?
-Awful.
They knew.
In the wood, before the night was over,
a painful cry.
In the thick forest,
a low moan.
Sitting around the campfire...
-I heard about this.
-...each one knew that,
before the night was over,
someone...
would be torn apart
by the blood-starved monster.
Ahh! -Ugh!
Aw.
-Each night, they came searching.
They knew, before the night was over...
What's that?
-Huh?
-One by one, the campers were found
with eyes...
ears ripped out.
-Oh, I think we've heard enough of that story.
-Ugh. -Wait.
-Huh?
-Do you smell something...
...strange, sickening...
-God! -Ugh!
...awful?
-Ugh, God.
-Ooh, Cherry.
-Ooh, Dick, Dick.
Dick, it's just not perfect.
-Aw, baby, baby, we'll work it out.
Come here, baby. Come here.
Cherry, Cherry, you're the most beautiful thing
that ever came into my life.
-Oh, Dick.
-It's -- Dick.
It's just that my head isn't in the right place, that's all.
-Aw, baby, don't worry about it.
It's all right. -Oh, my God!
What is that? -I don't know, baby.
It's probably just a bear or something.
-Something's out there.
-Uh, don't -- don't worry about it.
Let me -- Let me take care of it.
Let me take care of it. I'll take care of it, eh?
-Don't go!
Don't go! -In the back.
-Dick, don't leave me alone. -Let me get my gun.
Let me get my gun. Give me the keys.
Give me the keys. Give me the keys.
Okay, I'll take care of you.
I said I'd protect you.
I've just been looking for the chance to prove it.
You got nothing to worry about when I'm around.
This little baby does all the talking
when the peeping Toms come around.
I ain't afraid of nothing on two feet.
-Be careful, Dick.
Be careful, Dick! -Hey, it's the peeping Tom
that better be careful out here.
-Dick?
Dick?
-Hey!
Come out of there, you jerk, you!
Come out of there, you pencil-neck geek!
Come on!
Hey.
Uh, hey, out there.
Now, I know you're there.
-Dick?
Dick?
Huh?!
-No!
-Okay, so, apparently the love van was operating
with some unsafe propane or something
'cause when it topped over, it also exploded
and caught on fire.
The actor playing Dick...
...was a Las Vegas blackjack dealer
who went to UCLA film school with director James Bryan,
and he was willing to commute six hours each way
to make his appearance.
He was actually in every James Bryan movie.
So, Darcy, we have campers, we have random people in the woods,
and we have a maniac. -What more do you need?
-And that's the complete plot of "Don't Go in the Woods."
And the sheriff.
-Oh, yeah, Hubcap Carter plays the sheriff,
and he and his goofy, pinball-loving deputy
are apparently the only law enforcement for all of Utah.
Speaking of which, this is yet another filmed-in-Utah slasher.
We've had several of those.
Turns out James Bryan is the key to understanding why.
James Bryan's day job -- he was a sound man.
He was the sound-effects guy on movies like
like "Police Academy 4," "The Dark Half,"
"My Cousin Vinny," "Mortuary Academy."
But at this particular time in his life,
he was working as the post-production supervisor
at Sun Classics.
The legendary Sun Classics is the Salt Lake City film company
that created Grizzly Adams, but they were famous for making
what they called four-wall films.
Four-walling is where you
buy out a theater for special events,
you rent the space, and you sell the tickets yourself.
And they did this with splashy advertising campaigns
for movies like "In Search of Noah's Ark"
and "In Search of Historical Jesus"
and "Bigfoot: The Mysterious Monster"
and "The Bermuda Triangle"
and "Beyond and Back,"
which was one of those movies chronicling
near-death experiences where people die
and then they come back to life.
They made $24 million on that film.
So, anyway, Sun put itself up for sale in the late '70s,
and James Bryan was soon to be out of a job,
so he took $12,000 and decided to make this movie.
Now, the way he stretched $12,000 into a feature film
is that everybody had to work on deferred salaries.
Nobody got paid until the movie made money.
And he couldn't really afford film stock,
so he went to Deluxe Labs
and asked if he could buy their short ends.
Short ends are pieces of unexposed 35-millimeter film
left over at the end of a reel on somebody else's movie.
But the people at Deluxe Labs told Brian,
"You don't really want the only ones that we have
because they are so short that they're unusable.
Actually, we're gonna ship them to a reclamation center
so we can sell the silver in the emulsion."
Brian said, "No, no, no, don't do that.
I want all the short ends you have,
even if it's only 8 seconds or 20 seconds or whatever
for each short end."
And so he got his film stock for 400 bucks.
And he got his script for virtually nothing
because of his friendship with Peter Turner,
who had a client named Garth Eliason
who had a script called "Sierra."
And Brian said, "Okay, yeah.
'Friday the 13th' made lots of money.
Let's do our version, and this script will get us there."
And Peter Turner also sent him four actors from L.A.
I use "actors" -- He was mostly hired by Turner
calling up his clients and saying,
"You want to be in a movie?"
regardless of whether the client was an actor
or a writer or a kabuki dancer, for that matter.
"Motley" doesn't even begin to describe this cast.
So, that's how James P. Hayden got cast as Craig,
the guy who's setting all the rules
about how to survive in the woods.
He's not an actor.
He was an advertising executive in L.A.
He was writing scripts that Peter Turner was trying to sell.
He would have a long career with Ogilvy & Mather,
the big ad firm, and this would be his only acting role ever.
And Craig's big moment,
when he tells the scary story around the campfire?
You'll notice you never see Craig.
That's because the Craig storytelling footage got ruined.
So they did the whole campfire scene
with just reaction shots of the people listening to Craig.
Indie filmmaking at its finest.
Back to the movie.
Roll it.
You know, when he tells that campfire story,
he says there was a "strange, sickening smell,"
before the campers were ripped apart in the story.
And then at the end, he says, "Do you smell something?"
And one of the campers reacts with a grimace.
I think there was supposed to be a fart there.
-Ah. I think you're right.
-I mean, James Bryan was a sound guy, so you wouldn't think
he would completely forget to put the fart in.
But I tried to find the fart, and I couldn't.
I replayed it two or three times.
-I hate when that happens. -I do, too.
You had a dramatically justified fart.
I mean, it would not have been a gratuitous fart.
Like, Billy Barty in "Blazing Stewardesses,"
those are just gratuitous farts.
The Muck Man in "Spookies," gratuitous farts.
There was no real logical justification for those farts.
-That's debatable. -Gratuitous farting
in both of those movies, but here you had a chance
to land a fart, and you blew it.
-I feel like you're upset about this.
-Will I lead a less than fulfilling life from now on,
knowing that the fart is not there?
No.
Will I ask Vinegar Syndrome to drop a fart in
when they release the next version
of "Don't Go in the Woods"? Yes, I will.
You're not fart-averse, are you?
-Oh, my God, never. -Good.
All right, cut!
-Huh? Are you all right?
Bad dream?
-Are you all right?
-No. It's okay.
-Okay, if you follow those ridges,
you can't go wrong. -God, this is what
it must have looked like a million years ago.
-If they go and discover coal up here,
they'll come and flatten this son of a bitch, eh?
-Come on, Joannie. You'll get left behind.
-Sure.
-Hi, Sheriff. We're all checked out.
-Looks like a good day for it.
We ready? -Let's go.
-Bet he's not even down there.
I bet he's not even down there!
Probably changed his mind at the last minute.
Sitting in a Jacuzzi in Palm Springs or something.
-Huh. Sounds like a good idea.
Never been to Palm Springs.
-I'll give him another day or two to show up.
We might as well head back. We're just wasting our time.
-Anything you say. It's your nickel.
-Ah!
Ah!
Ah...
-Last one to the top is a rotten egg.
Come on, you guys, we're losing the light.
-I'm gonna wait for the others.
You go on alone. -What's the matter?
The old pro slowing down, huh?
Can't keep up with a tenderfoot.
Watch out! They're coming! -What did you see?
-They're coming! I just heard them!
Yo, I just heard it... -Yo!
-...on the trail.
-Hi, Mr. Bigfoot. Say hello to Mr. Tenderfoot.
-Hope I didn't scare anybody.
-No problem.
No problem...
if Peter brought an extra pair of shorts.
-Shut up.
-Peter. -Peter, you better
bring up the rear.
-Ah, yeah.
-Why don't we camp here?
-There's a better spot just up ahead.
-Hey, just in case of attack,
we should make a circle with our sleeping bags around Peter.
-Hey, Joannie, just look out for yourself, huh?
Camp wherever you think best.
I'm setting up my own camp.
-Hey, Peter.
-You want to camp here? Fine, camp.
I'll catch up with you tomorrow.
-You better stop him, Craig.
I don't think he should go alone.
-Don't worry.
He'll be back before it gets dark.
-Huh? -Where are you going?
Don't leave me alone! I don't --
Ah!
Ah!
What? Ah!
-I wonder if something's happened.
-It hasn't.
If he doesn't show up by 10:00 tomorrow morning,
we'll go get him.
-He's just sulking, you know?
Problems. Don't worry.
Listen, this valley is so small, not even Peter could get lost.
-I know nobody's out there.
If they were, they would get
accidentally killed by this...
dangerous pump shotgun.
Have to be careful with this hair trigger.
I don't want to go blowing holes in anything
that moves out there.
I don't know what's out there.
If they were...
If there's anyone out there,
you could get hurt real bad.
-Easy there.
Don't worry about old Peter.
He's probably just sleeping late.
-So Greg is gonna take me in the woods
and teach me some survival tips.
We'll be back before 10:00.
I'm gonna wait in camp for Peter.
-Oh!
Ah! Oh!
-Huh?
-No! No!
-How come right before every kill,
you hear the sound of a chainsaw and there's no chainsaw?
There are no chainsaws in the movie.
Okay, I got sidetracked at the last break,
and I didn't finish talking about James Bryan, the director.
He went to three colleges, but he ended up
at UCLA Film School in 1965,
and then he spent most of his career
in the ultra low budget world.
His first two movies were softcore Sex, and well,
they came out in 1970,
so there was no such thing as hardcore sex.
But he made one called "The Dirtiest Game" in 1970.
It's about a political candidate
who plunges into the hippie lifestyle
in order to get the youth vote,
and he ends up in a lot of wild parties and drug orgies
that turn ugly and violent.
Even Bryan says the movie grossed
everybody out who saw it.
His next movie was "Escape to Passion,"
a gangster film with a "Crisco orgy in it."
What's a Crisco orgy, Darcy? What's -- What is that?
-I'll explain that to you later.
Anyway, after that,
he moved away from sexual themes
and into more mainstream exploitation, action comedy,
while also working as an editor, production manager,
cinematographer, sound man on other people's films.
For "Don't Go in the Woods," he used actors
from the Salt Lake City theater scene,
including Tom Drury, who played the maniac.
Drury and his wife performed a cabaret act
at Salt Lake City clubs.
But Drury was also a regular in Salt Lake stage productions.
He played Tevye in "Fiddler on the Roof"
and Benjamin Franklin in 1776.
He played all the big man roles.
Um, James Bryan would end up directing about 25 films,
but he was pretty much done by 1987,
when he finished an ultra low budget action flick
called "Run Coyote Run."
But in 2016, the Bleeding Skull website, you met with them?
They unearthed an unfinished James Bryant project
called "Jungle Trap" and restored it.
But "Don't Go in the Woods"
remains his most famous film, believe it or not.
There are people, and this is hard to believe, Darcy,
There are people who watch this movie and rewatch it
and have seen it like a hundred times.
-I mean, it's crazy, but it's understandable.
-Why is it understandable? You would do that?
-I mean, maybe not for this film,
but yeah, I would in general.
Do you have any idea what our four main campers
are doing in the woods, where they're going,
what the purpose of the trip is?
-I have no idea. -Does it matter?
-No, it's fun.
Sort of. -Back to the movie.
You know, I'll talk about this.
James Bryan worked at Sun Classics,
and I think the most successful Sun Classics movie of all time
was "In Search of Noah's Ark."
And if you remember the poster, it said,
"You will see Noah's Ark."
And so down at the Baptist church in the '70s,
everyone -- everybody thought they had absolute final proof
that Noah's Ark had landed on Mount Ararat in Turkey.
But what it was, was they had these fuzzy Air Force
reconnaissance photos showing stuff sticking out
of the mountains of Turkey.
But when you went there on foot, it was just rock formations.
-Hmm. Well, that's disappointing.
-Well, you can't release a picture called
"In Search of Noah's Ark"
and then not find Noah's Ark, right?
So they had all these eyewitness accounts, you know,
Russian pilots saying they saw wood poking out
of glaciers and stuff.
And then they were masters of that stuff
that they do on crime shows, actors dressed up
in biblical costumes, building the ark,
loading the animals, surviving the flood, you know?
So they mix in the scientific stuff
with the day players re-enacting the biblical story.
And by the time you leave the theater,
you're going, "Yeah, I guess they proved it," you know?
Wait, what did I see? Which part? Where was it?
But, you know, you're just kind of confused.
But I would just bet that Mount Ararat in
"In Search of Noah's Ark"
was actually the same mountain used in "Don't Go in the Woods."
But people thought they did actually see the real Ark,
and I call that entertainment.
What do you call it?
-Kayfabe. -Yes, yes,
it is a very effective kayfabe.
You had an entire Sunday school classes hitting
those theaters with their parents
and with their grandparents.
It was educational.
It was spiritual, it was Christian.
It was Jewish. It was scary. It was a disaster film.
It was an adventure story.
Everybody who went to it thought they saw the Ark.
-But they didn't, right.
-No piece of the ark has ever been found.
That's how good Sun Classics was.
-Okay, then all you have to do
is pull the string and bam,
-Alight, put this trail mix underneath it.
Alright? -Okay.
Be careful with the string
-Put a little more underneath.
I'm sorry. Let me see it.
-Son of a bitch! Hey, hey!
-I'm so sorry! -Hey, come here!
-If I get my hands on you...
-I think we better start looking.
-Well, Joannie's taking a nap.
-Well, I'm afraid, Peter.
Well, let's go look anyway.
-I'll wake up Joannie myself.
I got a score to settle.
Now I've got you, bitch! -Let me out!
Let me out! -Let's hear you say uncle.
Say uncle. Say it, bag of bitch.
Say it. Say it, bag of bitch.
Say it, say uncle. -You can wait a million years.
Fool!
-Craig, are you still there?
Answer me! Answer me!
I'm really pissed.
-Are you ready to say uncle? -My ass?
-If that's the way you want to play it.
I'll see you later.
-Craig.
Craig, where are you?
Craig.
Craig?
Craig, there's someone here.
I'm not kidding!
Craig.
There's someone here.
-This is serious.
I'm not kidding
-The monster is here.
He's going to get you.
Ah!
-He's going to get you. You can't escape.
No! No, no!
-Joannie!
Craig?
Oh!
Oh...
Oh!
Oh.
-Has he been here?
-Oh. Oh... -Has he been here?
-I thought you'd never come. I thought you'd never come.
-A cabin. Oh, good.
Now we can get some help. -I can't believe my eyes.
It's over. -Hello! Hello!
Hello! Hello!
-I don't like this.
Peter. Peter! I don't like it.
-If anyone was in there, they would have already heard us.
-Wait for me.
This place, he's in there.
-He would have already heard us.
We need food if we're gonna make it out of here.
If it's his food, I'll still take it.
Shh!
Shh.
There's got to be something here we can use.
-He's here. I don't like this. -Look for food, anything.
We can't stay here long.
-Oh! Oh!
Oh, no!
Oh, no!
-Craig!
-No, no, no, no!
No!
-We can't do anything for Craig now!
-Craig.
-Ingrid, let's get out of here.
We've gotta keep moving. Gotta keep --
-Stop! Listen.
-He's coming. -Quick, this way!
Hide.
-Oh, no! I'm sorry.
I'm sorry! I'm sorry! -Peter?
Peter!
-Ingrid, he's after you!
-Ah! Oww...
-Ingrid, run!
Run!
Okay, so, Craig...
...the one who gave out all the warnings about
how to stay safe in the opening scenes,
Craig is the first to get eviscerated by the killer.
That's James P. Hayden in his only acting role.
He would go on to become, among other things,
the creative director for Dollywood.
-Ooh, that would be a fun job. -Indeed.
So James Bryan's idea for the maniac
was that he should look like a Siberian shaman.
-Okay. -apparently Siberian shamans
cover themselves to look like birds.
How close did he come, Darcy?
-Well, I've never seen a Siberian shaman,
so I'm not really sure.
-Nor have I.
But I have to assume they use a lot of fur.
You know what I would call this movie?
Goofy?
That's the word. Goofy killer, goofy campers,
goofy kills.
-I will accept that for sure.
This came out in the middle of the slasher boom,
and when all you needed was a forest and a machete.
It's trashy, but it's trying to be trashy.
-You like it?
-I like it. It's not terrible.
-The blood is red dye number two food coloring
and Kraft barbecue sauce.
And James Bryan always specified
that it was the non chunky kind.
He says we didn't use the chunky kind of Kraft barbecue sauce,
which is sort of information
that makes you wonder about James's priorities.
I mean, he's literally having conversations
with his makeup department.
Like, "Now, the last time you went to Piggly Wiggly,
you got the chunky sauce.
And we can't use that because it makes the wound
look like it has tissue in it."
-Piggly wiggly. Nice.
But special effects people really do have those combos.
-Well, what do you think of their blood formula?
How does it look? -I think it's beautiful.
Ah...
-What about the geography of the movie?
Where did they come from? Where are they going?
Where do they think they're going?
Where do they want to end up?
-We do not care. We don't care.
It's fine. -Of course not.
Okay, let's go back to the Siberian shaman looking wild man
of Utah doing his thing.
Roll it.
You know, Jeff Lieberman would kill me if he heard me say this,
but this movie reminds me a little bit of his movie
"Just Before Dawn." -Ooh, he would hate you.
-Only because the photography of the mountains is beautiful
and it features a hillbilly hellhole house.
And the hillbilly hellhole house was pioneered by Jeff Lieberman
in "Just Before Dawn."
You should never go inside the hillbilly hellhole house.
But of course, they all do.
Cinematography by Hank Zinman, who is the --
also the fisherman who got the bear trap to the face.
At the time they made this movie,
he was a news cameraman in Portland, Oregon,
and he had never worked with 35 millimeter film before,
and he never would again.
This is his first and only feature film.
He later worked for "The Oprah Winfrey Show,"
"The Dr. Phil Show," ABC news and German TV.
But we'll always remember him as the fisherman
who got the bear trap to the face.
-Yes, we will.
-Hello? Is anybody here?
There's so much I want to tell you when we get back.
Shh.
-Ingrid, just rest. We'll be out of here soon.
Warm food, warm bed, and a doctor for your cut.
We're gonna make it. We're gonna make it.
Ingrid. -Huh?
Peter?
We made it! Oh, we made it!
-We made it!
-Hello, Sheriff. How are you today?
Just fine. Just fine.
-Oh, nurse. Um...
-Java? -Yeah, thanks.
She woke up yet? -Yeah.
She told it just like the kid who brought her in.
-Well, we should have gone in earlier.
What's the story on this wild man?
-Well, she keeps going in and out of it.
Kind of crazy.
But if it's true, they had one hell of a weekend.
-Doctor Stockton, come to the lab.
-Don't blame yourself. You did everything you could.
-Joannie's still out there.
I went off and left her.
-That's not your responsibility, not now.
Right now you should be in a warm bed.
Now, look, there's nothing either one of us
can do with this thing.
You can't rush it.
The search has to be planned, and that takes time.
And anyway, the only people should be out there are the ones
that are qualified.
-Well, the call's gone through for the helicopter.
They're supposed to call me here and let me know
when it'll be available.
-Do you think you have enough men to run this maniac down?
-Oh, yeah, plenty. Could be a mass murder deal.
And I don't want to develop it into no circus.
-Sheriff. -Dr. Maggie.
-Hello, Maggie.
-How are the two campers?
-Well, the girl lost a lot of blood,
but we've gotten her over the shock,
and she should be on her feet fairly shortly.
She's not the problem.
-The guy worries me, too.
He keeps talking about this Joannie,
the one they left in the woods.
He keeps going over and over that.
-I know. He's really feeling guilty.
There's a lot of pressure under that kind of stress,
and he might -- he might become irrational.
Oh, my God.
Ah!
Ah!
-Apparently the camera and makeup
departments did such a great job on the death of Joannie
that the director said it was unbearable for him to watch.
It was just really brutal, and so he toned it down.
He got rid of a lot of the most intense footage.
And, Darcy, I know, I know, you don't approve of that.
-You are correct. I hate that. -And I don't either.
Why would you make a movie like this
where it's extremely difficult
to get those effects right in the first place,
and then punt when you get it right?
-And it was 1981.
Maybe they were afraid of censorship.
-Not really, because the MPAA
didn't really care about violence.
They only cared about sex.
Violence came later.
And that's another thing. There's no real sex.
And yet the director had made several softcore sex flicks
before this, so he obviously knew how to do that.
Nobody really complained about the violence, by the way.
But they did complain about Joannie
drinking from the stream...
while she was chomping that Baby Ruth candy bar.
A lot of people thought that was gross.
But it goes with the continuing theme
of all these campers are hungry, they need food.
And it doesn't seem that they've been out in the wilderness
long enough to be starving.
But anyway, that was Angie Brown as Joannie.
She didn't really pursue an acting career,
but she became a respected TV producer.
She did a PBS documentary series called "Great Streets."
Celebrity hosts gave tours of the famous streets of the world.
She produced the pilot episode of "Intervention,"
the long running series on A&E.
She's done a lot of true crime,
including "Lethally Blonde" for Discovery ID,
that series about that woman -- -Oh, I love that one.
-Have you watched that? -Yeah.
-Women in the fast lane who commit crimes.
Do you like that? That show. -Yeah.
In this movie, however, she's dead.
Left alive are Nick Cleland as Peter,
listed in the credits as Jack McClelland?
Because a lot of actors change their names
when they did horror in the '80s.
And by the way, that pink shirt he's wearing
is a promotional shirt for "Boogie Vision,"
which is James Bryan's 1977 satire
about low budget filmmaking.
Nick pretty much vanished from the film business
after this movie.
Um, and then we have Mary Gail Artz
as the traumatized Ingrid.
This is her only acting role.
She's one of those people who got a call from Peter Turner
and jumped on a plane.
At the time, she was a secretary
in the casting department at Warner Brothers,
and she used that experience to become a big league
casting director.
She's worked on dozens of movies,
including "Halloween II,"
"The Nightmare Before Christmas,"
"House of Wax," "Rushmore."
But now it seems that she and Peter
are the final couple in the battle
against Mr. Siberian Huskies Shaman meanie with beads
or whatever we're calling this killer.
So let's get to the truly insane conclusion
of "Don't...Go...in... the...Woods."
Roll it.
-You're feeling feisty.
-If you did the prequel... -Mm-hmm.
...to "Don't Go in the Woods," you would start in Siberia
and follow the wild man to Utah.
But you like killers who have no motivation whatsoever.
I do.
-They're just born to kill. That's their job.
They're compelled to kill everything they see.
No childhood trauma to explain it.
-Yeah. Fuck childhood trauma.
-We should get Fright-Rags to make us some t-shirts
"Fuck Childhood Trauma." -Hell, yeah.
-As a statement of where we stand on slasher backstories.
-So you agree with me?
-Hell, no. But I admire
the purity of your beliefs, Darcy.
-Thank you.
-120, clear.
-120, 16.
-1527.
-115 -- or correction, 114 alright.
-1520.
-There's a report that some campers have been killed.
Who and how many, I couldn't guess.
But as soon as the chopper takes us in,
we'll know for sure.
-I got some hollow point justice for that bastard.
-Now hang loose, men.
The chopper will be here any time now.
-Yes.
[Birds chirping.
-120, clear.
-120, 16. -1527.
115 -- or correction, 1...
-Well, that guy Peter flew the coop.
We gotta look out for him, too.
-We got a mental case, too.
-Yeah, and that's not all.
Just got a call from the National Guard.
No copter. They say it's county business.
Gotta take care of it ourselves. -We don't have a copter.
-Yeah, I know. We're gonna have to walk in.
-No, no. -We stay behind here.
-Come on. -Stay behind me.
-Alright, keep your eyes open and your mouths shut.
Ah!
-Now, when the rest of the men come up,
I want you to send them out along these ridges.
-Yes, sir. And you?
-I'm going to the cabin.
Tell the men to keep one in the chamber and the safety off.
Kill her like this, you probably won't get but one shot.
And I don't want to lose anybody.
-Hey, hey! Over here!
Come on over!
-Hello, the cabin.
Anybody there?
Hello?
Don't you ever knock?
-Found one?
-Yeah, and I think we're just getting started.
-Joannie
Oh.
Joannie.
-I marked the next one for you.
-Bring it on down here with the others.
How many is that?
-Six so far.
How long has this been going on?
-What kind of crazy would do a thing like this?
-Who the hell's he? -From the paper.
-You make damn sure you get clearance on every one of those.
-Sure, sure.
-Thanks. Appreciate you coming up.
We can really use your help.
What's she doing here?
-Well, I thought it might be a good idea.
If her friend Peter comes in,
she might be able to help bring him in
and avoid any possible violence.
-You know, I'm having a hard time getting any radio up here.
-Excuse us, Dr. Maggie. We got work to do.
-Any luck? -Nah, we ain't found him yet.
Not but one more place he could be.
We'll get him tomorrow before sunset.
-Have you seen Ingrid?
-No, we didn't. She's missing?
-When did -- How'd it happen, Maggie?
-She disappeared just round about dusk.
She was afraid that something had happened to Peter.
Oh, God, she's out there all alone.
Can't we do something?
-Not tonight, too dark. These fellas too tired.
They can't go another step without some sleep.
We'll get started at sunrise.
-Peter!
No!
Peter! Peter!
-Peter.
No!
Huh?
Ah!
Peter! Oh!
-Ingrid. -Peter.
Oh!
Oh.
-Peter!
No!
-Alright. Go down there and hide.
-Peter! Peter!
-No!
-Sometimes makes you kind of wonder.
-Cute couple.
-♪ Don't go out in the woods tonight ♪
♪ You probably will be thrilled ♪
♪ Don't go out in the woods tonight ♪
♪ You probably will be killed ♪
♪ There's a friendly beast who lurks about and likes to feast ♪
♪ You won't get out without being killed ♪
♪ And chopped up in little pieces ♪
♪ Don't go out in the woods tonight ♪
♪ You probably will be thrilled ♪
♪ Don't go out in the woods tonight ♪
♪ You probably will be killed ♪
♪ There's a friendly beast who lurks about and likes to feast ♪
♪ You won't get out without being killed ♪
♪ And chopped up in little pieces.
♪ Don't go out in the woods tonight ♪
-And so, Hubcap Carter, as the Sheriff,
sums up the theme of the movie when he says,
sometimes it makes you kind of wonder.
As the little girl in the basket strikes at the dirt
with her hatchet.
It's art.
-Are we supposed to think that that little girl
will now take up the mantle of Utah Mountain wild woman?
-Yes. -Presumably she'd have to be
raised by wolves or something, right?
And thank God the tension of that final thrilling sequence
was relieved somewhat by the tourists in a wheelchair,
struggling to climb the hill and falling over repeatedly
while cartoon music plays
so that he could eventually make it to the top
and immediately be decapitated.
Comic relief murder of the handicapped.
The movie needed that.
That is Gerry Klein, the sound man on the movie,
rocking that wheelchair.
And this is actually the only movie
I can ever remember where when the decapitation happens,
the head literally rolls.
And, um, speaking of the theme of sometimes
it makes you kind of wonder,
it makes me kind of wonder
why the sheriff goes into the hillbilly horror house
by himself when he has a posse of 25 men somewhere nearby,
and the answer is that originally the sheriff
was going to be in a helicopter.
The National Guard had agreed to provide a copter for the shoot,
and apparently someone in the military read the script
and so permission was withdrawn.
Uh, hence the scene where the sheriff says,
well, we can't get a helicopter because it's county business.
Then the sheriff tells the gunman to put one shell
in the chamber and put their guns on safety because,
"Killer like this, you'll only get one shot."
What?
Don't want to have too many bullets to work with.
Fuck.
-When he says killer like this,
I guess he's probably thinking it's a killer
who has an upside down copy of The New Yorker on his wall.
Did anybody notice that?
The Siberian mountain man hippie psycho
reads the New Yorker in his spare time?
That's some serious Unabomber shit, right?
And I guess just one more question.
Why does the doctor bring the traumatized Ingrid
back into the woods?
Answer, because she might be able to calm Peter down.
No, she can't calm Peter down. Peter's trying to calm her down.
Peter doesn't calm down until he hears that
"Don't Go Out in the Woods Tonight" song
that plays over the final credits.
That song is the creation of H. Kingsley Thurber,
who did the music for the whole movie
because James Brown met him at Sun Classics
and asked him if he'd give it a shot on a movie score.
And when he was done, he sent that song to Brian as a joke.
It's to the tune of the "Teddy Bears Picnic,"
but Bryan thought it was so brilliant
that he put it over the end credits,
and it has developed quite a following.
Alright, Darcy. -Yeah.
- What's your final verdict? - I love it.
I do. I really do love that it's so trashy.
Like cheap, sleazy.
Kind of annoying at times, I will give you,
but ultimately fun if you watch it with the right crowd.
Our crowd, mutant-approved junk food is what it is.
You should have more respect.
-Okay, well, it does have a following.
It did not take the country by storm
in November of 1981 and early 1982
as it made its way slowly around the country.
They only struck about 30 prints of it,
so it was slow to be discovered.
Actually, it was never discovered.
It remained undiscovered for 30 years.
Um, once James Bryan paid all his deferrals,
it ended up being about $150,000 movie
that did not make its investment back.
And for part of its life,
it ran on a double bill with "The Hills Have Eyes,"
which should have helped but didn't.
And ultimately, it became one of those forgotten films
that's mostly celebrated when it's celebrated at all,
because it's forgotten film.
Um... -Alright, well,
speaking of things that are forgotten.
-Yeah. -Do you remember talking about
Al Waxman when we showed "Class of 1984?"
-No. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Al -- the great Al Waxman, the great Canadian character actor.
-Yes, of course. -He was in a couple
hundred flicks.
He was a detective in "Class of 1984."
-Yes. -Yes, I do remember that.
-Well, you mentioned that his disco song about Canada
was lost, but one of our fans not only found it,
he bought it for us, and here it is.
-He brought Al Waxman's disco song
because I talked about it? -Yes.
It's from Zachary Panto of Calgary.
-Wow. Okay. -I know.
There it is.
"Gotta Year You Say It Too"
It's a 45. Okay.
Oh, "Hello from Calgary, Joe Bob.
I was watching you show "Class of 1984" on Canada Day
as I hadn't seen it since it first aired,
and you mentioned that Al Waxman wrote a song
you had not heard.
As the episode was from a number of years ago now,
I assume somebody sent you a link to YouTube,
though it was hard for me to find the song
as it was performed by one Skip Prokop."
I guess he put this up on YouTube after he found the 45.
"But since you said you hadn't heard it,
I figured being in Canada, I could find a copy for you.
And here it is. I gave it a listen.
It plays okay for its age
and it seems each side is a different version.
It's a nice little ditty, although I am more into metal.
Hopefully you can play this,
but if not, check on YouTube for the Skip Prokop labeled version.
Thanks for keeping the drive-in alive."
Zachary Panto, Calgary, Alberta.
Yes, in a few weeks back,
Austin did tip me off that we might be using this letter,
and so I asked if we could play the song,
and the answer was hell no.
But it's a great song.
The song is sung by the nation of Canada.
The whole nation?
-And the nation of Canada.
The character of the person singing the song
is I'm the nation of Canada,
telling Canadians how much Canada loves them.
But, "I gotta hear you saying you love me too."
And you can now check it out on YouTube,
and I hope we had something to do with it getting put up there.
"Gotta Year You Say it Too,"
sung by Skip Prokop, founder of the Canadian band Lighthouse.
So check it out.
It's especially appropriate these days because
most people -- most people don't -- don't realize
just how pissed off Canada is at the U.S. right now.
It's bad.
I was -- actually, Darcy, I was -- I was surprised.
I got a call last week.
They want us back at Shock Stock in London, Ontario this year.
You know, the big convention in Ontario.
And -- And that's good because it's not a good year
for Americans getting invites to Canada.
-Wow.
That's because they know that we love them.
-And we do. We love Canada.
And if we go back, I'm going to try to eat some of that stuff.
I'm going to eat more of it. I tried to eat it last time.
What is it called?
-Poutine? That? -Poutine, yeah.
I think we got some cheap poutine last time though.
It was like a fast food place.
But I'm going to support Canada by devouring some more poutine.
-I've got some video of you eating that poutine.
-Yeah, well, alright.
But this time I'm going to do it with whiskey shots,
because I think that's the secret to eating poutine.
Canadian whiskey, of course.
Only Canadian whiskey. Crown Royal Deluxe.
That's what I'll do, and poutine.
And I guess that's it. Okay, thank you.
-That's it for me and for Darcy, the Mail Girl,
reminding you that if you want to be remembered after you die,
borrow money from everybody you know
and the drive-in will never die.
Woman decides to spend --
Woman decides to have a facelift for a birthday,
and so she spends $10,000 on her facelift
and she feels pretty good about the results.
So on her way home from the facelift,
she stops at a convenience store to buy water,
and before leaving, she asks the sales clerk,
"I hope you don't mind my asking,
but how old do you think I am?"
And the clerk says, "Oh, about 35."
And she says, "I'm actually 57."
The woman says with a big smile on her face.
A little while later she goes in McDonald's
and she asks the counter girl the same question.
The counter girl says, "Oh, about 29."
And the woman says, "Nope, I'm 57."
And now she's feeling really good about herself.
Next, she's waiting for the bus home
and she asks an old man the same question.
The old man says, "Well, I'm 86 and my eyesight is going.
Although when I was young there was a sure way
to tell how old a woman was,
but it requires you to let me put my hands down your pants
then I can tell you exactly how old you are."
The woman was kind of offended, but she didn't say anything.
But they had to wait a while for the bus,
and after so much awkward silence,
she finally says, "Well, what the hell?
Go ahead."
So the old man slips both hands down her pants
and he starts feeling around, and after a couple minutes
she says, "Okay, okay, so how old am I?"
And he takes his hands out and he says, "You're 57."
And the woman is stunned and she says, "That's amazing.
How do you know that?" The old man says,
"I was standing behind you in McDonald's."
-You may have told me that one a time or two before.
-Just... Ha, ha, ha.
-♪ We are drive-in mutants ♪
-♪ Drive-in mutants ♪
-♪ We are not like other people ♪
♪ We are sick -♪ Sick ♪
-♪ We are disgusting -♪ Disgusting ♪
-♪ We believe in, we believe in ♪
-♪ Blood ♪
♪ And breasts ♪
♪ And beasts ♪
-♪ Yeah, we believe in ♪
-♪ Blood ♪
♪ And breasts ♪
♪ And beasts ♪
-♪ If life had a vomit meter ♪
♪ We'd be off the scale -♪ Off the scale ♪
-♪ As long as one drive-in remains on the planet Earth ♪
♪ We will party like jungle animals ♪
♪ We will boogie till we puke ♪
-♪ Boogie till we puke ♪
-♪ The drive-in will never die ♪
♪ We will boogie till we puke ♪
-♪ Boogie till we puke ♪
-♪ The drive-in will never die ♪
-♪ We believe in ♪
♪ Blood ♪
♪ And breasts ♪
♪ And beasts ♪
-♪ We believe in ♪
-♪ Blood ♪
♪ And breasts ♪
♪ And beasts ♪
-♪ Yeah, we believe in ♪
-Made in Georgia.
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