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(Episode 14)

Hey, Bo Wang. How does it feel to be dating a co-worker?

Dating a co-worker...

I wonder why you're curious about it.

What are you trying to say?

I'm just fascinated, that's all.

By what?

You've changed.

Yes, look at that. What's up with that cheesy, chilled-out smile?

- Ba Reun. - What is it?

Hey.

You know what?

I read the classics whenever I get a chance.

- The classics? - There's no reason.

I want to work harder.

I want to be a better person.

Also,

I like them.

Stop it, you're being too cheesy.

- I'm leaving first. - Hey.

It's you who have changed.

What are you talking about?

You punk.

You were never interested in others,

Im Ba Reun.

She's changed.

Judge Park, what's wrong?

Are you still concerned about the quasi-rape case?

Some pass out when they're under arrest. Don't worry.

It's because of fine dust.

I see.

"Fine dust"?

I see.

It's fine dust.

We should sue the country.

It's the court's dinner meeting run by Chief Justice.

Why are we having another dinner when we're so busy?

Goodness.

You still haven't used your father's cousin as an excuse.

Did I use all of my family members' funerals as an excuse?

You had many company dinners this year,

so everyone else passed away.

Is that so?

Tell them that my father's cousin passed away recently.

Yes, sir. There's one more thing.

What is it?

It's a testimony of the last fraud case related to land.

Why did you mark some parts?

He cleared his throat before answering those questions.

- What? - I've met...

this witness last year in another case.

I noticed that he cleared his throat quite often.

He was fined for lying.

Really?

I'm sorry if I was out of line.

You weren't. Leave it here.

Okay.

Ms. Lee.

Yes?

Let me know if there's anyone...

who talks about other people's businesses.

I'll give them a piece of my mind.

Thank you, sir.

It hasn't been so peaceful here in a while.

Gosh, my skin's been sagging lately.

Judge Jung.

- Yes? - What are you reading?

The classics.

She died.

Gosh, she died.

Don't die.

Goodness, he's finally quiet.

It wasn't me.

I'm innocent. I didn't do anything wrong.

I'm innocent.

Why must I be here?

- Why? Why? - Calm down, sir.

Please calm down.

I didn't do it.

He has serious symptoms of depression.

He's been rejecting food for a week.

It seems complicated.

He's lived his whole life as a rich man.

Now he's accused of a quasi-rape.

Even inmates treat rapists...

like a piece of trash.

5048, 5048.

Doctor, doctor!

- Mr. Joo Hyung Min. - 5048.

Is there anyone out there?

- Please help. - Please help us!

- What are you doing? - What?

Turn on the TV now.

Goodness.

Breaking news. Professor Joo Hyung Min at Sejin National University...

Hospital was placed under the court custody for quasi-rape.

He attempted suicide in the lockup.

He was transferred to a local hospital,

but he's in critical condition.

Even in the lockup,

he claimed that the decision was unfair.

This is what led to his suicidal attempt.

- Judge Park. - Are you okay?

Oh, no.

What if I was wrong?

Judge Park.

What do I do?

The most powerful person in the courtroom...

is none other than the judge.

It's us.

The most dangerous one...

is us as well.

Don't be so rash.

You have a preparation for a hearing at 10am.

Will you go in like this?

Thank you.

You should get ready, Judge Im.

Okay.

Yes, I have a trial to go to.

Good luck.

Are you really okay, Judge Park?

All right.

What are you doing? Aren't you coming to the trial?

I'm sorry, sir.

- Presiding Judge Han. - I saw it too.

I see.

Witness, will you stop beating around the bush...

and answer my question?

Do you remember your oath?

If you lie in court, you'll be charged with perjury.

I believe their testimonies have been proven completely truthful.

The defendant is guilty.

(Court)

Judge Park, don't be rash and jump to conclusions.

Attempting suicide doesn't mean he's innocent.

He was a professor at a top medical school and had wealthy in-laws.

And he was arrested on a quasi-rape charge.

Wouldn't that alone have made him think his life was over?

- Judge Park. - Judge Im.

Yes?

No matter what happened that night while the two were drunk,

will there ever be a way to find out the objective truth?

What if even the two remember it incorrectly?

- Based on the evidence... - The evidence is...

based on people's memories...

which can be wrong.

It feels like I've been building a house on sand.

Everything is crumbling apart.

I can't trust anything or anyone.

Including myself.

Judge Park.

Oh, my.

Buy some rice cakes

Love, love, love

- Rice cakes made with love - Be quiet.

What's that?

What's this?

They're rice cakes.

Where did you get these?

Are they from the stall...

- at the entrance of the market? - Yes.

The lady seemed to be struggling.

So I bought some.

My goodness.

Hey. This must be how Oh Reum feels.

What do you mean?

These guys are cute...

and nice-looking like Judge Im.

These guys look so plump...

and fancy like Yong Jun.

- So this is Judge Im? - Yes.

- Gosh. How dare you? - My goodness. You're all crazy.

- I'm home. - Hey.

Come on in.

Come here.

Oh Reum, choose one.

I'm not hungry. You can eat them.

What's with you?

You love rice cakes.

Is there something wrong?

No.

I just have a lot to do.

You must have eaten outside.

She has a lot to do.

Hey, my favorite show starts soon.

Be quiet.

Min Joo Hee, the chief director of Sejin National University Hospital,

who is also the eldest daughter of the chairman of NJ Group,

is being treated at a hospital...

after cutting her wrist at home.

- Her husband... - Isn't that...

- attempted suicide... - Yong Jun's older sister?

What's going on?

That's Yong Jun.

- Moving on. - That's too bad.

How can this happen to his family?

Hurry up and go in.

- I'm not sure Judge Park is okay. - Sorry?

It seems like she's been here since last night.

What are you doing?

These cases have already been judged.

I should go over them all again. Our decisions might have been wrong.

- Please stop. - Let go of me.

(Court)

Judge Park.

Fortunately,

it seems like Ms. Min will pull through.

Professor Joo is stable too.

I see.

I'm worried.

NJ Group does everything to protect the chairman's family.

I think they'll attack the court in one way or another.

I guess things will get messy.

Department 44 makes a mess of everything it touches.

I wonder if they made the right...

Presiding Judge Bae.

Did you even take a look at the records?

I'm sorry.

I was just concerned.

(Was the Attention-seeking, Female Judge's Decision Wrong?)

(Was the Attention-seeking, Female Judge's Decision Wrong?)

Dear fellow citizens.

A biased, young female judge...

almost killed a respected doctor.

I'll prove at the court of appeal that...

justice always prevails.

(NJ Group is growing internationally.)

(NJ Air, NJ Department Store, NJ Hotel, NJ Automobile)

(Who Judged the Professor's Quasi-rape Case?)

(Nothing has been concluded.)

(A judge is a human being too.)

(Shouldn't the presiding judge be disciplined?)

(This psycho doesn't deserve to be a judge.)

Gosh.

(We don't need a judge who hates men.)

Hold on. What's happening?

What are these idiots talking about?

Gosh, are they serious?

Is there something wrong?

Yes.

Something's very fishy.

Was it that bad?

I ate barley this morning.

I'm sorry.

Stop eating.

Barley for breakfast?

I'll be more careful.

Gosh.

Did you see the article? Where's Judge Park?

Apparently, she also protected a woman...

from sexual harassment on her way to work once.

But there are some doubts.

Let's find out.

This is unfair.

The judge falsely accused me of sexual harassment.

She even...

(Professor Ko Oh Hwan)

She even attacked my genitals.

I'm still being treated.

Oh, my.

Do young judges these days hit people?

The attention-seeking judge is shattering the court's credibility.

I don't know why the court isn't stopping her.

It's also a problem that...

the hatred for men in the society is increasing.

Every man is treated like a sexual offender these days.

And they don't take responsibility for false accusation.

I'm worried it's affecting the court as well.

Newspapers, the internet, television...

They're acting so fast.

There must be power behind it.

Don't we need a judge who is different?

Judge Park is a brave person who went against...

those with power, like Joan of Arc.

You think we need a judge who is different.

This is not okay.

What?

Didn't he just defend her?

It's even more dangerous to turn her into a heroine.

People cheered when she won the war,

but they were thrilled when she was burned at the stake too.

(How can you call yourself a judge? You misandrist!)

(Judge Park Cha Oh Reum must resign immediately!)

Judge Im?

Hello.

Well, let's use the main gate today.

Why?

I just think it'll be better. Let's go.

What's the matter?

(Park Cha Oh Reum, who belittled a person's life, must leave court.)

Let's just go in through the main gate.

It's okay. Let's go.

Judge Park Cha Oh Reum killed a person. She must resign immediately!

- Judge Park took someone's life. - Resign immediately!

- Park Cha Oh Reum must resign! - Resign immediately!

Hey, how can you even call yourself a judge?

You wench, you're still wet behind the ears.

Hey, why aren't you wearing a miniskirt today?

Just go home and cook, you witch!

- Hey! - Judge Im.

Let's just go.

- Resign immediately! - Resign!

- Judge Park took a man's life. - Resign immediately!

- Resign! - Leave court!

Judge Park Cha Oh Reum took a man's life. She must resign!

- Resign! - Resign immediately!

- She must leave court immediately! - Resign!

- Judge Park. - Yes, sir.

No silly thoughts, please. Just focus on your work.

I will, sir.

I saw that we have a new murder case.

Yes, sir. A woman killed her husband.

What was her motive?

Her husband found out that she had been having an affair.

He started beating her brutally,

and she ended up killing him with a pair of scissors.

Why now? It'll cause a lot of controversy.

If you're uncomfortable with it,

shall I put someone else in charge of the case?

No. It's okay, sir.

Well, then... You should get back to work.

Yes, sir.

She was always so chipper, but she seems utterly dejected now.

Congressman Kim Myeong Guk, please share your opinion.

(Legislation and Judiciary Committee)

Shouldn't we get rid of all judges who have been causing trouble?

Fine, I'm going to see how much longer...

you can work as a judge...

after treating me like this, you brat.

Look, Mr. Kim.

I guess you think you can get me fired as a member of the committee,

but judges cannot be removed from the bench...

unless they are impeached or imprisoned...

due to something they've done.

We must revise the law...

so that judges with problematic conduct can be removed immediately.

Sir.

That's a constitutional amendment.

What?

When did it change?

Well, that's... It's in the Constitution.

Congressman Kim, is there anything else you'd like to share?

Then Congressman Moon Yong Cheol will share his opinion next.

Congressman Kim works hard, but he's not knowledgeable enough.

I'm sorry, sir.

I've tried talking to Congressman Kang Yo Han about it as well,

but he seemed rather indifferent about it.

I see.

Please arrange a breakfast meeting with the chairman of the committee.

Okay. I will, sir.

The appeal hearing has been scheduled, right?

Yes, sir.

This is Min Yong Jun.

Reinforcing disciplinary measures for the judiciary...

Even the committee is making a move.

I think some are deliberately trying to make matters get out of hand.

People should really wait until the appeal hearing takes place.

Yes, of course. But the thing is,

I heard that the case has been...

reassigned, sir.

- It's been reassigned? - That's right.

And of all people...

Isn't this just absurd?

It definitely is. The initial verdict must be overturned.

All rise.

I'm fully aware...

of the immense public interest in this case.

As a presiding judge, I always work...

with solemn faith that not a single innocent person...

should be accused falsely or unjustly.

As representatives of the people of this country,

we promise that we will think from the people's perspective...

and apply the law strictly and fairly.

With that, we will now begin the hearing.

The first trial...

was unusual in every aspect.

First of all, a newly-appointed judge questioned...

witnesses directly in place of the presiding judge, which was unusual.

The witness, who claimed she saw the two going into a motel together,

was in an activist group that was hostile toward the foundation.

The fact that such a biased testimony was accepted...

as evidence is certainly unprecedented.

Well, let's say we can understand all of those things.

Yes, even if the defendant was guilty,

it was a quasi-rape case that involved no violence.

The fact that he made a deposit of 50,000 dollars...

wasn't even taken into consideration.

A four-year jail sentence?

This is extremely unprecedented,

and I find it absolutely biased.

We will make sure...

to arrive at a fair, just decision...

without any prejudgment or bias.

My fellow judges,

you must be puzzled as to why...

this case ended up getting assigned to our department.

But I must say, we should consider ourselves lucky,

okay?

What do we even get from working on hundreds of petty cases?

Certainly nothing compared to a case like this where all eyes are on.

Oh, it's not just for my own sake.

If you wish to go higher up the ladder,

you do need at least one notable achievement.

"I presided over that big case."

Something like that, you know.

"We will make sure to arrive at a fair,"

"just decision without any prejudgment or bias."

What does that mean?

What's he trying to say about the first trial?

I'm only thinking this one thing.

"We did our best,"

"but if it wasn't good enough,"

"how can we take responsibility for it?"

But before that,

did we really do our best?

Can we say that we were not biased at all?

Judge Park, we aren't some omniscient, omnipotent beings.

We can't take responsibility for every result.

I'm scared because we're not such beings.

I'm scared of myself.

Judge Park.

I know better than anybody else.

You made the decision after such long, careful consideration.

Don't you remember?

You asked me to point it out if you ever made...

a biased remark in favor of the victim.

I also concluded that the defendant was guilty.

My decision won't change even if we redo the trial.

Nothing has changed,

except for the fact that...

the defendant tried to take his own life after receiving the sentence.

Judge Park.

Are you going to make me look all incompetent?

I may be annoying,

but I'm quite competent.

I know that.

Thank you, Judge Im.

Reporter Kim.

Come on.

A judge can't be interviewed on a proceeding trial.

What?

This is what I meant.

I'm the presiding judge...

of Seoul High Court. I hold a high position.

I must correct mistakes of those at a lower standing.

I'm responsible for bringing justice.

That's all I mean.

There are quite a few young and immature judges.

They make abnormal judgments to attract attention.

Quasi-rape.

This case is perfect to be used in this situation.

I looked through it carefully.

There was a lot to be questioned.

All right, let's have a meal sometime.

Let me make myself clear again.

I firmly rejected your interview.

Okay?

Judges...

speak with their verdicts.

[VIU Ver] jTBC E14 Miss Hammurabi "She Should Remain in the Court" -♥ Ruo Xi ♥-

- What's wrong? - Her photos are everywhere.

It's not about the case.

It's about her legs, her looks, and their sexual desires.

This is trash.

Ba Reun, calm down.

More importantly, there's been an inconsistent force.

I'm starting to see where it came from.

Where?

He's persistent about publishing his articles.

He's the grandson of the newspaper company owner.

They say he was illegally accepted into Sejin National University.

Really?

I researched Congressman Kim Myeong Guk on the Internet.

He's in-laws with the owner of a corporation.

Do you mean NJ Group?

How was the case assigned to Presiding Judge Sung?

That's what I don't understand.

What are they plotting behind that huge cloud?

Those punks.

Enjoy your lunch, everyone.

Hello, enjoy your meal.

My goodness.

I don't understand their relationship.

Judge Im, just eat.

- Presiding Judge Han... - Eat.

This is wrong.

That's enough, Judge Im.

You must forget everything about a case once it's over.

How is it possible?

Someone played with it in front of us.

- Judge Park. - Yes, sir.

Regarding the case where the husband got killed,

self-defense will be key.

Read the case thoroughly before the trial.

Yes, I'm working on it.

Sir, Judge Park can't be working on that right now.

It's okay, Judge Im.

I'm in charge of that case.

Judge Park.

Goodness, I haven't seen you in a long time.

Presiding Judge Han and Judge Im.

Judge Park.

Hello, Presiding Judge Sung.

Why did you send me such a messy case?

It is messy, indeed.

Judge Park, you don't look so good.

You should go easy on yourself.

Don't try to work so hard.

There are many who work hard.

You must do well.

Presiding Judge Sung.

Please make a fair judgment in high court.

Be objective and without any bias.

I'll remember that, Presiding Judge Han.

Let's go.

I'm sure that someone is behind it.

By making Judge Park a witch,

NJ Group's son-in-law's verdict will be seen as unfair.

First of all, you should calm down.

We can't let them do this. I'll do everything...

What will you do about a trial that's already been processed?

Report it to the press or to the prosecutors.

- If not, I'll get rid of... - Wake up, you punk!

This isn't like you.

You're Im Ba Reun!

Right.

What am I like?

Ba Reun.

Come in.

Thank you.

Judge Park.

Yes?

Let's have some milk tea.

It's warm.

Judge Park.

- Yes? - You asked me...

if you could call me by my name.

Yes.

Call me whatever you'd like.

Thank you, Do Yeon.

You should also call me Oh Reum.

That's hard.

You won't reciprocate?

Oh...

I'll call you by your name next time.

Let's have one more drink.

Hey, you punk.

You should apologize when you did something wrong.

Are you looking down on me?

I'm... I'm sorry.

Sir, why are you getting so angry?

You'll hurt him.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

It's okay.

I'm sorry.

- I'm sorry. - Goodbye.

- Consider it bad luck. - Goodness.

What was that?

Forget it.

I'm sorry, Judge Park.

I'm sorry...

I'm so incompetent.

I'm sorry.

Sir, you have a guest.

A guest?

Who?

He introduced himself as Judge Im Ba Reun.

Send him in.

Come in.

I'm sorry for showing up unannounced.

Don't worry.

Have a seat.

I want you to stop.

Stop what?

You know what I'm talking about.

I'm not sure.

I'm not as clever as you are.

Do you really have to do this...

- to Judge Park? - What are you talking about?

You thought you and I would get each other.

Yes, I did.

We're not in the court anymore. Let's be honest.

You like Judge Park a lot, don't you?

Judge Im.

You're very different today.

Judge Park made the decision based on the law.

I know your family is involved,

but is this really necessary?

Judge Im.

- Yes? - Is that what you think?

"Evil conglomerates", "devils with horns"...

We're human beings too.

When our family gets hurts, we cry and suffer.

I have to protect my family.

You have to protect your family?

No matter what it takes?

The more you have, the more you need to protect.

You're greedy.

- I'm greedy? - You're a lion that eats deer.

You want people's sympathy too?

You have a point.

You're right.

Then I'll talk like a businessman.

You came to see a businessman.

Can you suggest a deal?

- A deal? - By the way,

I wouldn't accept a soul.

I'm not a devil with horns.

If you're doing this to Judge Park partly because of me...

Then?

I'll stay away from her.

You'll stay away from her?

You're in the same room all day.

Do you think you can stop having feelings for her so easily?

What do you say?

Your family seems to be in a bad situation.

Why don't you leave the court?

There's a vacancy in our legal team.

If I have to,

I'll leave the court.

Oh, my. I'm surprised.

I thought...

you loved your job.

There are many people who can replace me.

- Sorry? - There are many judges like me,

but there aren't many like Judge Park.

She should...

remain in the court.

I didn't know...

you cared about Oh Reum this much.

It rather...

bothers me to be honest.

What is it that you want from me?

Hold on.

Is that how you ask for a favor?

I guess...

this is new to you.

What about...

getting on your knees first?

It might be hard at first,

but you'll get used to it.

I'll make sure you get on your knees before the law someday,

Mr. Min.

It might be hard at first,

but you'll get used to it.

Judge Park.

Yes?

Let's go watch the quasi-rape trial.

But it's an appeal against our department's decision.

It's a public trial.

Everyone can see it.

Including us.

I'm not sure.

Will it really be okay?

Keep your eyes wide open.

Let's go.

Your Honor.

May I...

stand in front of the witness while questioning?

- Go ahead. - Thank you.

The defendant was found guilty at the first trial...

based on the testimony of the server from the Japanese restaurant.

She said that she saw you drunk and passed out on the restroom floor.

Did that actually happen?

- Yes. - It actually happened.

That must mean you remember what happened up to that point.

Witness, please answer the question.

Yes.

Then how much more did you drink after that?

I'm not sure.

Really?

All right, let's use our common sense.

You had already vomited from drinking a lot,

so you probably didn't drink that much after that.

Am I wrong?

Witness.

Perhaps, I guess so.

Then shouldn't you have sobered up a little...

by the time you were leaving the Japanese restaurant?

It was an unusually cold day.

At around 11pm, the temperature dropped down to 5°C below zero.

Based on that, I think you definitely could have...

sobered up on your way to the motel from the restaurant.

Am I wrong?

- I'm not sure. - You keep giving vague answers.

Witness.

Could you please look at the defendant?

Witness.

It's extremely hard to survive even three minutes without breathing.

With his own hands,

he hanged himself. How painful and terrifying must it have been?

Can you even imagine?

Witness, do you have anything to say to the defendant?

Why can't you look at him?

What on earth were you thinking when you entered the motel with him?

I'm sorry.

- She's sorry? - What's she sorry for?

I beg your pardon? What did you just say?

I'm sorry.

She's sorry.

Are you apologizing because you haven't been truthful?

Oh, I see.

- So you weren't unconscious... - Judge Park.

when you entered the motel with him, right?

Then why? Why did you follow the defendant...

into the motel?

In that very moment,

didn't you think that accepting the defendant's request...

could help you solve many of your problems?

Am I wrong?

I'm sorry.

But her colleagues at the hospital...

found out about it due to an unexpected witness,

and even her boyfriend found out about it.

That's why you lied, right?

I'm sorry. I'm... I'm really sorry.

You keep apologizing. Do you have anything else to say?

I'm... I'm sorry.

I did not expect things to get out of hand like this.

Since hearing...

about his attempt to take his own life on the news,

I haven't even been able to sleep at night.

It is all my fault. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

The victim is changing what she said at the first trial.

Prosecution, is there even a point in continuing this?

Please schedule another hearing.

We'll have to go through all the evidence again.

Sure.

Then with our authority, we will consider...

releasing the defendant on bail.

There doesn't seem to be any reason why he must be remanded in custody.

Calm down.

I can't believe what just happened.

How can she change her words like that?

There must be something.

I'm telling you. Someone is trying to influence the trial.

Stop.

- Judge Park. - Stop, please.

Even you have to be like this? Enough, please.

You see, I'm...

I'm having such a hard time now. I really am.

I'm sorry.

I want to do...

whatever I can...

to help you.

I want to help you, but...

Then just...

Just for a moment...

Can you stay right there for just a moment?

(Court)

Gosh, why do we even bother working late every single night?

We get criticized collectively because of one person.

Hey, stop.

What? Am I wrong? I'm simply stating a fact.

- What's the matter with you? - Still, don't do that.

What do you mean?

She can hear you.

I want her to hear me.

What...

I'm sorry.

Judge Park, what are you talking about? You don't need to apologize.

I do. I am sorry.

What's going on? What happened?

- Did she say weird things again? - Be quiet.

- What happened? - Gosh, seriously!

Why are you getting mad at me?

- Hey, what happened? - I don't know.

Come on, tell me. What happened?

What we were afraid of actually happened.

Reporters are hounding us at the moment.

They are asking what on earth happened at the first trial.

The number of protesters might quadruple in no time.

People are always angry.

They need something to blame in order to release their anger.

Something they can throw stones at, bite,

and rip to pieces.

The judiciary should not become that scapegoat.

I guess this fight...

won't end unless someone takes responsibility.

Being in the management of an organization is...

I must say, it's...

It's a darnedest thing.

Judge Park's last disciplinary action that was left behind.

Let's take a look at it again.

I don't feel so good about it.

Isn't it strange?

The brat of my family.

No matter how much I hate her,

I don't like seeing her getting bullied.

I can't stand it.

A judge who murders must leave.

- Leave, leave! - Leave, leave!

A judge who murders must resign.

- Resign, resign! - Resign, resign!

A judge who murders must leave.

- Leave, leave! - Leave, leave!

A judge who murders must resign.

- Resign, resign! - Resign, resign!

- Resign, resign! - Resign, resign!

A judge who murders must leave.

- Leave, leave! - Leave, leave!

A judge who murders must resign.

- Resign, resign! - Resign, resign!

- Resign! - Resign, resign!

- Leave! - Leave, leave!

This is Park Cha Oh Reum.

Yes, sir.

I understand.

Okay.

What happened?

A jury trial was registered.

- Pardon? - It's the case...

where the wife killed her husband.

Wasn't it...

a bench trial instead of a jury trial?

Only a week before the trial,

they changed their wish.

It means that they can't trust me.

Due to what's happening,

they're aware of what others may think.

They're afraid that I'd be too strict with the defendant.

Judiciary that can't be trusted...

doesn't have a reason to exist.

Yes, come in.

Come in.

Judge Park.

What is that?

What are you doing?

(Letter of Resignation)

(Miss Hammurabi)

I should take responsibility.

Did you proceed the trial alone? What about me and Judge Im?

In this case,

we must eliminate the child who created this mess.

Judge Park's disciplinary action will take place soon.

I think I'm making it worse.

I told you not to talk nonsense.

I want to quit everything.

I want to think about myself only.

- Judge Park. - "Letter of Resignation"?

I think you'll need a right-seat judge.

I'm coming with you.

Wherever it may be.