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Ms. Kerrigan?
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Ms. Kerrigan,
can you hear me?
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Ms. Kerrigan, we need
you to wake up and focus.
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You're gonna have
some visitors soon.
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We need to talk
before that happens.
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You tried to
kill yourself.
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And before that,
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you killed a man
named Roger Navarre
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in front of a lot of people.
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Do you remember that?
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-You're in New York
Sacred Heart Hospital.
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You've also been charged
with first-degree murder.
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Guards are posted
outside the door,
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and, well,
they're gonna keep you here
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until they're reasonably certain
that you won't harm yourself,
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and then transfer
you to a prison.
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And who are the two of you?
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My name's Dr. Jason Bull,
I'm a psychologist.
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This is Benjamin Colón,
and he is an attorney.
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The Women's Coalition
of Manhattan asked us
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to come and meet you,
see if you were interested
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in having us represent you.
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They have a fund
for this kind of thing.
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Is that okay with you?
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The D.A. and a judge
are on their way over.
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They're gonna hold
an arraignment
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here in your hospital room.
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I don't know what that is.
I don't know what that means.
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Well, an arraignment
is a kind of court proceeding.
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It's where you'll
formally be advised
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of the charges against you,
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which, we mentioned,
are first-degree murder.
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They'll also ask you
to enter a plea.
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Well, that's easy. I'm guilty.
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We didn't ask
if you were guilty,
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we asked what your plea
would be.
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The only answer to that
"Not guilty."
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Otherwise there is no point
in going through this exercise.
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Well, that's fine with me.
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Let's not go through
the exercise.
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I did it. Okay?
I'm absolutely guilty.
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Hang me, give me the electric
chair, give me the needle.
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Whatever it is that they do,
I don't care.
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I just want them to do it to me.
Quickly as possible, please.
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Did you know the man?
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Of course.
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Forgive me,
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but why did you choose
to do it at a funeral?
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Did you know the girl?
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No, but he did.
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Roger Navarre?
The hedge fund king?
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The philanthropist?
The man you killed?
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You are aware of how
the girl died, aren't you?
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That she killed herself?
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I'm very aware. And jealous.
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Okay. Let's start
at the beginning.
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How did you and Roger Navarre
even meet?
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When I was 14, my dance school
in Ohio had auditions,
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and I won a spot
at the Manhattan Ballet Academy.
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But unfortunately, my family
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didn't have the money
to send me.
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I was about to give up hope
of ever going
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when Roger Navarre called.
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He said he had seen my tape,
he'd seen me dance,
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and he wanted to bring me
to New York.
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To pay my tuition and find
a place for me to live.
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The first year and a half
was magical.
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I loved New York,
I loved the school.
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The night before I went
back home
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for Christmas break,
Roger called.
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He said he wanted
to take me to dinner
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and celebrate my success
at the institute.
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It was an amazing restaurant.
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Amazing food, an amazing night.
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Oh, boy.
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I messed up.
I have a holiday party
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I'm supposed to have been at
a half hour ago.
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Wait. You don't mean
you have to leave, do you?
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Yeah, I kind of do.
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It's a Broadway thing.
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I invest in a lot of shows.
It's important that I say hi.
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I'd invite you
to come along, but...
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Are they proofing people
at the door?
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You know, I'm not
as young as I look.
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The closer we got to the party,
the more nervous I became.
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I started to have this feeling
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that maybe I had made
the wrong choice.
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Maybe he was right,
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maybe this wasn't the type
of party I should go to.
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You all right? You
don't have to go.
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Oh, I...
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No, I-I guess
I'm just a little anxious.
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What are you doing?
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Why are you taking that?
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You're not nervous, are you?
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Actually, I am.
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I'm with you.
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What are you talking about?
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You ever looked
in the mirror?
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It was the best night
of my life.
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The next day, I went back
to Ohio for Christmas break,
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but all I could think about
was New York.
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All I could think about
was Roger.
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I was in love.
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But the man was twice
your age, wasn't he?
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Yeah. I guess.
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Or I was half of his.
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I don't know.
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That's not what it was about.
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So, you went home
for Christmas.
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We talked every day
on the phone.
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And the second I got back
to New York,
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I went straight to his apartment
instead of mine.
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I stayed there for two days.
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Would it be fair to say, at
that point, you were a couple?
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I certainly thought so.
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He would take me to the ballet.
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He taught me about wine,
bought me beautiful gifts.
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He even got me a passport
and flew me to Paris.
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And that pill you took.
Were there more of those?
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All the time.
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I know it seems like
I should have known better,
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but he was just so charming,
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and I was living the life
I always dreamed of living.
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What's that?
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Don't worry about that.
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He knew just what to do.
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Had it all figured out.
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He walked me to my appointment.
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Everyone said it would be
over pretty quickly
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and then it wasn't.
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They told me
I would have to rest
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in bed for three to four weeks,
which meant I couldn't dance.
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It was the end
of the school year,
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when they have
all the performances, and...
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I couldn't dance.
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So, of course the school calls
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and tells me I'm not invited
back next year.
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It was heartbreaking.
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Everything I had worked for,
dreamed for,
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all of it was being taken away.
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So what'd you do?
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I went to Roger for help.
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But he said his hands were tied.
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The school wasn't his, there
wasn't anything he could do.
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So I packed my bags,
went back to Ohio.
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Went back to high school.
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I drank a lot, drugged a lot.
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Got a job as a hostess
in Cincinnati
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and I never heard
from him again.
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But here you are,
back in New York.
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But here I am...
back in New York.
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About a year ago
I started having pain...
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down there.
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Turns out it was a complication
from the procedure, um,
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scar tissue.
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Something called
Asherman's syndrome.
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It's very expensive to fix.
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So I called the doctor; he told
me to come back to New York,
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let him have a look at it,
see if he could correct it.
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I got on a bus,
stayed at a hotel.
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And the morning
of my doctor's appointment,
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I go to the office.
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And I'm about to give
the receptionist my name
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when I see something.
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Behind her, I suddenly realized
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that I can see into this
private office space.
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And at first I think
I'm seeing things.
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Beyond her through
the open door, there's Roger.
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Just sitting there,
looking like a nervous puppy
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and I'm thinking to myself,
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what's he doing
at a women's health practice?
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And after my appointment,
I waited across the street
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for him to leave so I could
get a better look
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and I saw he was with her.
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I'm sorry.
He was with who?
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Emily. The girl
who killed herself.
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Ah.
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So were you jealous? Is that
what this was all about?
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No, I was enraged.
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I knew exactly why
he brought her there.
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I could see the shame
written all over her face.
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It was history repeating itself.
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I realized we were in a cycle.
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He used us both,
he was done with us both,
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and this is how
he cleaned up his mess.
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So, on the bus back to Ohio,
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I did something
I hadn't done in four years.
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I looked him up online.
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I never wanted to know
if he had replaced me
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with someone else, but...
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suddenly I was obsessed.
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And it turns out
I was only one girl.
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It was at least
four other girls,
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all the same pattern, all with
him for six months to a year.
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And then the girls,
the ones he would sponsor,
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would suddenly
drop out of school,
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never to be heard of again,
just...
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another girl who tried to make
it in New York and couldn't.
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Another sweet young thing
who hit her "sell by" date.
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Then I, um, read that
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Emily killed herself.
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And I knew he would
go to the funeral.
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It's the district attorney
and Judge Hopkins.
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May we come in?
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So, here we go, Holly.
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When they ask the question, you
know what you have to answer.
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I'm guilty as hell.
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And proud of it.
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This is Rachel Carter.
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She is two years older
than Holly,
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but she pretty much had
the same experience.
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Here on scholarships
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sponsored by Navarre.
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Began a consensual affair,
though it was
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technically illegal
in the eyes of the law
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because she was just 16.
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-He get her pregnant?
Certainly did.
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Rachel explained
he wasn't a fan of protection,
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and he was adamant
that the pill was poison.
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How incredibly selfless of him.
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What a guy.
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Is she willing to talk to us?
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And does she know
any other girls
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he was involved with?
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Yes and yes.
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Marissa said
you wanted to see us?
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Yeah. Hey, guys.
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I think I may have come up
with a defense.
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Hmm.
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Defense of others.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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I can't, for the life of me,
see how that applies here.
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Uh, I second that.
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Well, there were other girls.
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We march them
through the courtroom
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and we let them
tell their stories.
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She did it for all of them.
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In defense of others.
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Oh, come on, Bull.
You know that's not
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what defense of others means.
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We have no one to defend here.
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And that other victim was dead,
lying in a coffin.
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Yeah, and the other girls
that you're speaking about,
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they were presumably no
longer involved with him.
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There was no need
to defend them.
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Ha. You call yourselves lawyers.
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The reason there are judges,
the reason there are courts,
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is because the law,
to be effective,
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must be a living thing.
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Each case is its own creature.
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And that is why
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it has to be interpreted,
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not simply referenced
and then applied.
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Now, I want to file
a motion in limine
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and ask that judge
for permission
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to put those other girls
on the stand.
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Your Honor, in the matter
of The People v. Holly Kerrigan,
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we contend that Holly Kerrigan
killed Roger Navarre
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to prevent greater harm.
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We believe, in fact,
that she was acting
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in defense of others.
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Now,
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in order for us
to support this claim,
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we are asking for the court's
permission to call
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several of Roger Navarre's
scholarship students.
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Now, they will testify
that the late Mr. Navarre
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was involved in
a systematic pattern of seducing
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and in many cases impregnating
young women he sponsored
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at a variety of art institutions
here in New York.
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15-year-olds, 16-year-olds
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upending their lives
and destroying their futures.
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Doing irreparable harm
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to their physical
and mental health.
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A.D.A. Conway,
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your thoughts?
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Your Honor.
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The People don't dispute
the fact
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that Roger Navarre
may have been a predator.
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But that alone does not
give Ms. Kerrigan license
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to gun him down
in a church full of mourners.
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These women's
experiences
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are irrelevant
to the crime
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Ms. Kerrigan is accused of.
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In fact, we strongly doubt
that Ms. Kerrigan
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has ever even met
these women before.
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And that is why the People
strongly urge the court
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to deny the defendant's motion.
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Before I make my ruling,
I'd like to hear
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from at least
one of these women.
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Would you
please tell the court
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00:13:47,832 --> 00:13:48,876
your name?
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My name is Rachel Carter.
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00:13:50,747 --> 00:13:53,750
And what is your connection
to Roger Navarre?
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00:13:53,794 --> 00:13:58,538
Well, I had a number
of connections to Mr. Navarre.
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I first met him when I applied
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00:14:00,583 --> 00:14:02,890
to the Manhattan Institute
of Ballet.
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00:14:02,934 --> 00:14:05,023
He saw a tape
of my audition,
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00:14:05,066 --> 00:14:07,677
heard I'd been accepted,
and then reached out to me
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00:14:07,721 --> 00:14:09,897
and offered to help
with expenses.
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00:14:09,941 --> 00:14:12,813
I was very grateful.
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00:14:12,857 --> 00:14:15,033
And then, over time,
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00:14:15,076 --> 00:14:18,253
the relationship
became more personal.
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00:14:18,297 --> 00:14:20,255
Romantic?
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00:14:20,299 --> 00:14:22,562
I believed so at the time.
307
00:14:22,605 --> 00:14:24,956
Looking back,
from Roger's point of view,
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00:14:24,999 --> 00:14:28,568
I'm sure it was
fundamentally sexual.
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00:14:28,611 --> 00:14:30,265
Now, let's start
from the beginning.
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00:14:30,309 --> 00:14:34,574
When Roger Navarre first
reached out, you were how old?
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00:14:34,617 --> 00:14:36,619
I was 14 years old.
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00:14:36,663 --> 00:14:38,491
Okay, and then
you moved to New York,
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00:14:38,534 --> 00:14:41,668
and about how long
before the nature
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00:14:41,711 --> 00:14:43,365
of the relationship changed?
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00:14:43,409 --> 00:14:46,412
About a year and a half.
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00:14:46,455 --> 00:14:49,502
He called me one night, asked
if I'd ever been to an opera.
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00:14:49,545 --> 00:14:51,330
I, of course, had not.
318
00:14:51,373 --> 00:14:54,072
Not many operas pass through
Chaney, Texas, where I'm from.
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00:14:54,115 --> 00:14:57,205
And opera tickets here
in New York are very pricey.
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00:14:57,249 --> 00:14:59,512
And you went to Lincoln Center
and saw what?
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00:14:59,555 --> 00:15:04,560
Flew on his private jet to San
Francisco to see La bohème.
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00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:06,345
Wow.
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00:15:06,388 --> 00:15:09,087
So, did the relationship
change that night?
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I wanted it to.
325
00:15:12,133 --> 00:15:16,572
I was so consumed
by all of it. By him.
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00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:19,010
But no. He really took
327
00:15:19,053 --> 00:15:22,013
his time. Really won my trust.
328
00:15:22,056 --> 00:15:25,712
I think he wanted me to believe
it was all my idea.
329
00:15:26,669 --> 00:15:30,760
I had never been with anyone
at that point in my life.
330
00:15:30,804 --> 00:15:33,372
Anyway,
it was about two months later.
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00:15:33,415 --> 00:15:34,851
We were on a boat,
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00:15:34,895 --> 00:15:38,116
a sailboat that belonged
to a friend of his,
333
00:15:38,159 --> 00:15:40,292
out in the middle of the ocean.
334
00:15:40,335 --> 00:15:43,121
I had never done
anything like that.
335
00:15:43,164 --> 00:15:45,645
Everywhere you looked,
you only saw water.
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00:15:45,688 --> 00:15:47,647
No land.
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00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:50,737
I found it very freeing.
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00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:53,087
I'll let you
figure out the rest.
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00:15:53,131 --> 00:15:55,002
And was there alcohol involved?
340
00:15:55,046 --> 00:15:55,872
Yes.
341
00:15:55,916 --> 00:15:57,918
-And drugs?
-Yes.
342
00:15:57,962 --> 00:15:59,311
And you were how old
at this point?
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00:15:59,354 --> 00:16:01,269
-16.
-And when
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00:16:01,313 --> 00:16:03,793
the two of you had sex,
did he use protection?
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00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:05,186
He didn't like that.
346
00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:07,101
So, what happened?
347
00:16:07,145 --> 00:16:08,798
How did it end?
348
00:16:11,453 --> 00:16:14,326
Little less than a year later,
I got pregnant.
349
00:16:14,369 --> 00:16:17,024
He said he'd take care
of the whole thing,
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00:16:17,068 --> 00:16:19,070
be with me the whole time.
351
00:16:19,113 --> 00:16:20,897
Truth is...
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00:16:20,941 --> 00:16:22,725
Truth was
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00:16:22,769 --> 00:16:24,901
I didn't want it
to be taken care of.
354
00:16:24,945 --> 00:16:28,035
I had this crazy teenaged idea
355
00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:30,516
that we'd get married
and travel the world.
356
00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:33,040
Just keep doing
what we were doing,
357
00:16:33,084 --> 00:16:36,261
except I wouldn't be in school,
and we'd have this baby.
358
00:16:36,304 --> 00:16:38,567
Made perfect sense to me.
359
00:16:38,611 --> 00:16:40,352
Really freaked him out.
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00:16:40,395 --> 00:16:42,136
He said no.
361
00:16:42,180 --> 00:16:44,008
It had to be taken care of.
362
00:16:44,051 --> 00:16:47,272
Two weeks later, I...
363
00:16:47,315 --> 00:16:48,969
get a letter
364
00:16:49,013 --> 00:16:52,538
explaining that his "assistance"
had run its course.
365
00:16:52,581 --> 00:16:55,584
That I was free to apply
to other benefactors
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00:16:55,628 --> 00:16:57,325
should I so choose
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00:16:57,369 --> 00:17:00,024
but that his assistance
was no longer available to me.
368
00:17:00,067 --> 00:17:01,590
So what did you do?
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00:17:01,634 --> 00:17:04,637
I withdrew from school.
Got a place of my own.
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00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,160
Got a job dancing.
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00:17:06,204 --> 00:17:07,814
Dancing?
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00:17:07,857 --> 00:17:11,209
I lied about my age,
got a job dancing.
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00:17:11,252 --> 00:17:13,820
Topless. Then nude.
374
00:17:13,863 --> 00:17:16,605
Now I do photography
and modeling.
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00:17:16,649 --> 00:17:18,868
Adult modeling.
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00:17:18,912 --> 00:17:21,088
I see. Thank you.
377
00:17:21,132 --> 00:17:22,785
No further questions,
Your Honor.
378
00:17:22,829 --> 00:17:25,136
Here comes
the moment of truth.
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00:17:25,179 --> 00:17:26,572
Thank you, Ms. Carter,
380
00:17:26,615 --> 00:17:29,140
for telling the court
your story.
381
00:17:31,098 --> 00:17:32,578
Your Honor,
382
00:17:32,621 --> 00:17:36,408
we're all sorry
for what happened to Ms. Carter.
383
00:17:36,451 --> 00:17:39,063
And I understand
that the defense
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00:17:39,106 --> 00:17:40,760
has lined up
additional witnesses
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00:17:40,803 --> 00:17:42,631
with similar accounts.
386
00:17:42,675 --> 00:17:46,374
But the fact remains
that none of this is relevant.
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00:17:46,418 --> 00:17:48,246
Moreover,
its probative value
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00:17:48,289 --> 00:17:50,117
is far outweighed
by the prejudicial effect
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00:17:50,161 --> 00:17:51,945
it would have on the jury.
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00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,381
This kind of evidence,
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00:17:53,425 --> 00:17:55,644
these kinds of witnesses
need to be excluded.
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00:17:55,688 --> 00:17:57,472
Your Honor,
with all due respect...
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00:17:57,516 --> 00:17:58,647
While I am not
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00:17:58,691 --> 00:18:01,259
unsympathetic to the facts,
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00:18:01,302 --> 00:18:04,131
I have to make my ruling
based on the law.
396
00:18:04,175 --> 00:18:07,091
And the law agrees
with A.D.A. Conway.
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00:18:07,134 --> 00:18:09,615
We're not here
to judge whether
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00:18:09,658 --> 00:18:12,139
the late Mr. Navarre
was an honorable man
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00:18:12,183 --> 00:18:13,967
or not. We are here
400
00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:17,884
to decide whether Ms. Kerrigan
acted in defense of others.
401
00:18:17,927 --> 00:18:20,147
And there is nothing
in the testimony that I heard
402
00:18:20,191 --> 00:18:21,844
that suggests that is the case.
403
00:18:21,888 --> 00:18:25,326
And for that reason,
your motion in limine is denied.
404
00:18:44,693 --> 00:18:46,652
It's not really all that bad.
405
00:18:46,695 --> 00:18:47,783
Yeah, it is.
406
00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:50,046
-Yeah, it is.
-Okay.
407
00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:51,657
I asked
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00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:53,006
Marissa to reach out
to all the women
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00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:54,660
who were involved
with Roger Navarre,
410
00:18:54,703 --> 00:18:57,053
see if they would be available
to sit in court
411
00:18:57,097 --> 00:18:58,838
once the trial begins.
412
00:18:58,881 --> 00:19:00,883
But it's COVID.
-No public allowed.
-Yes.
413
00:19:00,927 --> 00:19:03,059
I know. And I am gonna go
to the judge,
414
00:19:03,103 --> 00:19:04,539
and I'm gonna make
a special plea.
415
00:19:04,583 --> 00:19:06,889
Since these women
were not allowed to testify,
416
00:19:06,933 --> 00:19:09,240
they should at least be allowed
to witness the trial.
417
00:19:09,283 --> 00:19:10,850
The trial
of a woman who suffered
418
00:19:10,893 --> 00:19:12,721
at the hands
of the same man they did.
419
00:19:12,765 --> 00:19:16,247
And I will argue it will help
their mental well-being.
420
00:19:16,290 --> 00:19:18,597
That's awfully nice of you.
421
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,252
Going to bat with the judge
to make that happen.
422
00:19:21,295 --> 00:19:22,731
There's nothing nice
about it.
423
00:19:22,775 --> 00:19:24,603
I want them sitting
in that gallery.
424
00:19:24,646 --> 00:19:26,387
I want the jury
wondering about them.
425
00:19:26,431 --> 00:19:27,997
And I want you
to find a moment
426
00:19:28,041 --> 00:19:30,043
to point them out,
to indicate
427
00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:34,352
that they went through
the same version of hell
428
00:19:34,395 --> 00:19:36,180
that Holly went through.
429
00:19:36,223 --> 00:19:38,704
Agent Sturgeon,
when did Ms. Kerrigan
430
00:19:38,747 --> 00:19:41,010
come to the FBI offices
to meet with you?
431
00:19:41,054 --> 00:19:42,925
Holly Kerrigan
first came to meet me
432
00:19:42,969 --> 00:19:44,710
a little over a year ago.
433
00:19:44,753 --> 00:19:46,494
And what was the purpose
of that visit?
434
00:19:46,538 --> 00:19:48,017
She alleged that Roger Navarre
435
00:19:48,061 --> 00:19:49,976
had committed statutory rape
on her person
436
00:19:50,019 --> 00:19:52,500
and, additionally,
had provided illegal substances
437
00:19:52,544 --> 00:19:53,980
to a minor-- her--
438
00:19:54,023 --> 00:19:55,503
over a period
439
00:19:55,547 --> 00:19:57,157
of about 18 months.
440
00:19:57,201 --> 00:19:59,115
And what did you do
with that information?
441
00:19:59,159 --> 00:20:00,595
Well, I opened
442
00:20:00,639 --> 00:20:02,597
a case file, started
looking into Mr. Navarre.
443
00:20:02,641 --> 00:20:04,730
Tried to determine
if there was any truth
444
00:20:04,773 --> 00:20:06,514
to what Ms. Kerrigan alleged.
445
00:20:06,558 --> 00:20:08,342
And opening up a case file,
446
00:20:08,386 --> 00:20:11,911
looking into someone
like Roger Navarre,
447
00:20:11,954 --> 00:20:14,566
can you tell us
what that entails?
448
00:20:14,609 --> 00:20:16,045
Let me be clear.
449
00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:18,613
We didn't take
these allegations lightly.
450
00:20:18,657 --> 00:20:21,442
But investigations like this
451
00:20:21,486 --> 00:20:24,706
can go on for months,
sometimes years.
452
00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:27,361
You have to make sure you have
all of your ducks in a row
453
00:20:27,405 --> 00:20:29,320
before you start
indicting people,
454
00:20:29,363 --> 00:20:31,452
particularly people
as well-connected
455
00:20:31,496 --> 00:20:32,888
as Roger Navarre.
456
00:20:32,932 --> 00:20:34,673
And did the defendant
457
00:20:34,716 --> 00:20:36,979
continue to communicate
with you?
458
00:20:37,023 --> 00:20:39,286
Yes, we spoke
on a number of occasions.
459
00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:41,114
She would call and email
460
00:20:41,157 --> 00:20:42,811
from Ohio.
461
00:20:42,855 --> 00:20:45,988
And what was the purpose
of these calls and emails?
462
00:20:46,032 --> 00:20:48,469
Did she have additional
information to offer
463
00:20:48,513 --> 00:20:50,602
about Roger Navarre?
464
00:20:50,645 --> 00:20:52,343
It's-it's my understanding that,
465
00:20:52,386 --> 00:20:54,606
at that point, they were
no longer communicating.
466
00:20:54,649 --> 00:20:56,782
Not for years.
467
00:20:56,825 --> 00:20:58,827
No, the purpose
of these calls and emails
468
00:20:58,871 --> 00:21:00,742
was primarily to express
her impatience
469
00:21:00,786 --> 00:21:02,178
with the investigation.
470
00:21:02,222 --> 00:21:04,920
Her frustration
with the process.
471
00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:08,228
And, I suppose,
her frustration with me.
472
00:21:08,272 --> 00:21:11,275
So were you surprised
473
00:21:11,318 --> 00:21:13,581
when she took matters
into her own hands?
474
00:21:13,625 --> 00:21:14,887
No.
475
00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:16,105
Not entirely.
476
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:17,542
Thank you, Agent Sturgeon.
477
00:21:17,585 --> 00:21:19,239
No further questions.
478
00:21:27,203 --> 00:21:29,031
-Good morning,
Agent Sturgeon.
479
00:21:29,075 --> 00:21:30,206
Good morning.
480
00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:32,078
Now, point in fact,
481
00:21:32,121 --> 00:21:34,646
my client Holly Kerrigan
wasn't the only person
482
00:21:34,689 --> 00:21:37,518
that came to see you
about Roger Navarre, was she?
483
00:21:37,562 --> 00:21:39,172
I believe it's time
for an objection.
484
00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:40,695
Objection, Your Honor!
485
00:21:40,739 --> 00:21:42,088
Relevance?
486
00:21:42,131 --> 00:21:43,481
Your Honor,
487
00:21:43,524 --> 00:21:45,221
it's the A.D.A.
who called the witness
488
00:21:45,265 --> 00:21:47,354
and opened the door
to the fact that the FBI
489
00:21:47,398 --> 00:21:50,488
opened up an investigation
on Roger Navarre.
490
00:21:50,531 --> 00:21:52,011
Objection overruled.
491
00:21:53,055 --> 00:21:55,362
The witness will answer
the question.
492
00:21:55,406 --> 00:21:57,321
I'm sorry,
what was the question?
493
00:21:57,364 --> 00:21:59,235
Well, let me refresh
your memory.
494
00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:01,803
I was asking
if my client, Holly Kerrigan,
495
00:22:01,847 --> 00:22:04,371
was the only person
who came to the Bureau
496
00:22:04,415 --> 00:22:05,851
about Roger Navarre?
497
00:22:06,852 --> 00:22:08,244
No, she was not.
498
00:22:08,288 --> 00:22:10,856
No, in fact,
a number of other women
499
00:22:10,899 --> 00:22:13,337
came to see you personally
to file
500
00:22:13,380 --> 00:22:15,382
similar complaints
against Mr. Navarre.
501
00:22:15,426 --> 00:22:17,166
Isn't that correct?
502
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:18,951
Yes, that's correct.
503
00:22:18,994 --> 00:22:21,301
And I know
they are wearing masks,
504
00:22:21,345 --> 00:22:23,695
but perhaps you
can point out, uh,
505
00:22:23,738 --> 00:22:26,132
the ones that you have spoken
to in the past?
506
00:22:26,175 --> 00:22:28,090
Again, Your Honor,
what is the relevance
507
00:22:28,134 --> 00:22:29,570
of this line
of questioning?
508
00:22:29,614 --> 00:22:31,398
It sounds to me like
the defense is intentionally
509
00:22:31,442 --> 00:22:33,139
making a mockery
of your earlier order
510
00:22:33,182 --> 00:22:35,228
not to hear testimony from
anyone who may have been
511
00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:37,143
involved with the late Mr. Navarre.
512
00:22:37,186 --> 00:22:38,840
My goodness, A.D.A. Conway
513
00:22:38,884 --> 00:22:40,276
has quite a temper.
514
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,278
Objection sustained.
515
00:22:42,322 --> 00:22:45,369
The jury will disregard any
remarks regarding the women
516
00:22:45,412 --> 00:22:46,761
seated in the gallery.
517
00:22:46,805 --> 00:22:48,894
And I'm putting
the defense on notice.
518
00:22:48,937 --> 00:22:50,809
Any further shenanigans
of this type,
519
00:22:50,852 --> 00:22:52,376
and I will rescind
520
00:22:52,419 --> 00:22:54,378
my invitation
to these observers.
521
00:22:54,421 --> 00:22:55,944
Am I clear?
522
00:22:55,988 --> 00:22:57,946
Very clear, Your Honor.
523
00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:00,122
Any more questions
for the witness?
524
00:23:00,166 --> 00:23:02,168
No, Your Honor.
525
00:23:02,211 --> 00:23:05,258
I believe we covered it all.
526
00:23:05,301 --> 00:23:07,303
Yes, I believe we have.
527
00:23:12,047 --> 00:23:14,093
She's all dressed.
528
00:23:20,491 --> 00:23:22,318
Holly, I meant
to ask you this morning,
529
00:23:22,362 --> 00:23:24,451
how was your first night
in prison?
530
00:23:24,495 --> 00:23:26,192
It was fine.
531
00:23:26,235 --> 00:23:28,847
They had me all by myself
and there's cameras.
532
00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:31,110
Nobody wants me to kill myself
when they're not looking.
533
00:23:33,721 --> 00:23:36,681
Holly, there's something I want
you to think about tonight.
534
00:23:38,378 --> 00:23:39,771
You're very good
at telling people that,
535
00:23:39,814 --> 00:23:41,250
without Roger Navarre,
536
00:23:41,294 --> 00:23:43,078
you never would have
come to New York City,
537
00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:44,645
you never would have
learned to dance.
538
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:47,779
But did it ever occur to you
that, without Roger Navarre...
539
00:23:48,823 --> 00:23:50,825
...you never would
have picked up a gun?
540
00:23:50,869 --> 00:23:52,523
You never would
have shot someone.
541
00:23:52,566 --> 00:23:55,482
You never would have spent
a single night in prison.
542
00:23:55,526 --> 00:23:58,920
If Roger Navarre
had not come
543
00:23:58,964 --> 00:24:02,489
into your life, if he had
not done the things that he did,
544
00:24:02,533 --> 00:24:05,144
your life
would be very different.
545
00:24:05,187 --> 00:24:08,495
And don't you think that's a
point worth making to this jury?
546
00:24:08,539 --> 00:24:10,497
Don't you think your own life
is worth fighting for?
547
00:24:11,542 --> 00:24:13,326
Prison van's here.
548
00:24:14,588 --> 00:24:15,633
I'll see you
in the morning.
549
00:24:15,676 --> 00:24:17,635
See you
in the morning, Holly.
550
00:24:27,688 --> 00:24:29,908
Ah.
551
00:24:29,951 --> 00:24:31,387
It's my favorite fiancée.
552
00:24:31,431 --> 00:24:32,867
Hello, my dear.
553
00:24:32,911 --> 00:24:35,087
I'm on my way home.
Your brother says hi.
554
00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:37,655
What do you mean,
your "favorite" fiancée?
555
00:24:37,698 --> 00:24:39,004
You win.
556
00:24:39,047 --> 00:24:40,658
You're not my favorite.
557
00:24:40,701 --> 00:24:42,834
Now I feel bad. You sound
like you're in a good mood.
558
00:24:42,877 --> 00:24:44,270
Why? What's going on?
559
00:24:44,313 --> 00:24:47,099
I take it
that you haven't seen the news?
560
00:24:47,142 --> 00:24:49,928
I DVR'd something I thought
you'd want to know about.
561
00:24:49,971 --> 00:24:52,191
And in legal news, turns out
562
00:24:52,234 --> 00:24:54,280
that Holly Kerrigan,
the young woman who shot
563
00:24:54,323 --> 00:24:58,023
and killed billionaire
hedge fund manager Roger Navarre
564
00:24:58,066 --> 00:24:59,459
in front of 30-odd witnesses
565
00:24:59,503 --> 00:25:01,635
at the funeral of a friend,
566
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:04,203
has a complicated
mental health history.
567
00:25:04,246 --> 00:25:07,641
Investigators for the Manhattan
Daily Journaldiscovered
568
00:25:07,685 --> 00:25:10,992
that she spent time in no less
than three Ohio mental health
569
00:25:11,036 --> 00:25:13,342
and drug rehabilitation
facilities
570
00:25:13,386 --> 00:25:15,562
prior to her 20th birthday.
571
00:25:15,606 --> 00:25:17,521
Did you get all that?
572
00:25:17,564 --> 00:25:19,871
Yeah. We got it.
573
00:25:19,914 --> 00:25:21,699
All right,
I'll see you in a little bit?
574
00:25:21,742 --> 00:25:23,831
See you in a bit.
575
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:26,268
Well...
576
00:25:26,312 --> 00:25:27,792
they didn't
waste any time.
577
00:25:27,835 --> 00:25:29,794
You think the D.A.'s office
put that out there?
578
00:25:29,837 --> 00:25:31,926
Please, it's right
from the playbook.
579
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:34,015
The second we get
a little traction
580
00:25:34,059 --> 00:25:37,541
by having those five previous
victims in the courtroom...
581
00:25:46,201 --> 00:25:48,160
Okay. I think, at this point,
it's safe to assume
582
00:25:48,203 --> 00:25:50,466
the jury knows that you
have spent some time in rehab,
583
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:52,686
as well as some
other institutions,
584
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:54,514
because of your
mental health issues.
585
00:25:54,558 --> 00:25:57,256
The depression
and the suicidal thoughts.
586
00:25:57,299 --> 00:25:58,605
Okay.
587
00:25:58,649 --> 00:26:00,694
But isn't that
just more evidence,
588
00:26:00,738 --> 00:26:03,305
more proof that what happened
to me actually happened to me?
589
00:26:03,349 --> 00:26:05,307
Okay, I promise you,
I never would have needed to go
590
00:26:05,351 --> 00:26:07,483
to those places
if I hadn't met Roger Navarre.
591
00:26:07,527 --> 00:26:09,050
Sadly, almost certainly,
592
00:26:09,094 --> 00:26:11,487
the jury isn't gonna
look at it that way.
593
00:26:11,531 --> 00:26:13,794
That's why I want to discuss
a different strategy with you.
594
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,755
We would like
you to consider
595
00:26:17,798 --> 00:26:20,322
allowing us to pursue
an insanity defense.
596
00:26:21,585 --> 00:26:23,369
But I'm not insane.
597
00:26:23,412 --> 00:26:26,677
Okay, killing Roger wasn't
just some crazy, impetuous act.
598
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,504
In some ways, it was
the single most rational thing
599
00:26:28,548 --> 00:26:30,376
I've ever done in my life.
600
00:26:30,419 --> 00:26:32,204
And I don't want to spend the
rest of my life in an asylum.
601
00:26:32,247 --> 00:26:34,162
Or in a prison, for that matter.
602
00:26:34,206 --> 00:26:37,339
Well, that's good
to hear, Holly.
603
00:26:37,383 --> 00:26:39,211
That sounds like progress.
604
00:26:40,212 --> 00:26:42,040
Sounds like someone
who's starting to care
605
00:26:42,083 --> 00:26:45,739
about what happens to them
the day after the trial is over.
606
00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:48,046
Holly,
607
00:26:48,089 --> 00:26:50,396
choosing to mount
an insanity defense
608
00:26:50,439 --> 00:26:52,485
does not mean
that you're insane.
609
00:26:52,528 --> 00:26:56,010
It only means that you weren't
capable of rational thought,
610
00:26:56,054 --> 00:26:58,360
of understanding the difference
between right and wrong
611
00:26:58,404 --> 00:27:00,624
when you chose
to kill Roger Navarre.
612
00:27:00,667 --> 00:27:02,887
And if the jury decides
to accept our defense
613
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:04,236
when they deliberate,
614
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:05,672
it often means,
615
00:27:05,716 --> 00:27:07,718
after a proper examination
616
00:27:07,761 --> 00:27:09,807
and you are found
to be of sound mind,
617
00:27:09,850 --> 00:27:11,896
that you will be free
to live the rest of your life
618
00:27:11,939 --> 00:27:12,984
as a free woman.
619
00:27:14,202 --> 00:27:15,943
What do you think?
620
00:27:15,987 --> 00:27:19,599
I really think
this is the move here.
621
00:27:19,643 --> 00:27:22,080
Now that the prosecution
has rested their case
622
00:27:22,123 --> 00:27:24,735
and the defense is about
to begin presenting theirs,
623
00:27:24,778 --> 00:27:27,172
I've been informed
that Ms. Kerrigan
624
00:27:27,215 --> 00:27:28,608
would like to change her plea
625
00:27:28,652 --> 00:27:30,828
to "not guilty
by reason of insanity."
626
00:27:30,871 --> 00:27:33,178
I need the jury
to understand
627
00:27:33,221 --> 00:27:35,267
that this is simply an added
option when it comes time
628
00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:37,008
to making
a decision.
629
00:27:37,051 --> 00:27:39,140
You can still find
the defendant guilty,
630
00:27:39,184 --> 00:27:40,968
find the defendant innocent,
631
00:27:41,012 --> 00:27:43,449
or, if you feel she meets
the threshold requirements--
632
00:27:43,492 --> 00:27:45,799
which we will discuss
during deliberations--
633
00:27:45,843 --> 00:27:48,889
not guilty
by reason of insanity.
634
00:27:48,933 --> 00:27:50,325
All right, then.
635
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:51,587
Mr. Colón,
636
00:27:51,631 --> 00:27:53,154
you may call your first witness.
637
00:27:53,198 --> 00:27:55,069
Dr. Diposo,
638
00:27:55,113 --> 00:27:57,724
would you please tell the jury
what it is you do for a living?
639
00:27:57,768 --> 00:28:01,423
I'm what they call
a forensic psychiatrist.
640
00:28:01,467 --> 00:28:03,774
I deal primarily
in the assessment
641
00:28:03,817 --> 00:28:06,472
and treatment
of people in prisons,
642
00:28:06,515 --> 00:28:08,866
people in psychiatric hospitals,
643
00:28:08,909 --> 00:28:11,912
and occasionally individuals
among the general public
644
00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:13,914
who have mental health issues.
645
00:28:13,958 --> 00:28:15,742
And are you familiar
646
00:28:15,786 --> 00:28:17,048
with Holly Kerrigan?
647
00:28:17,091 --> 00:28:18,614
Yes, I am.
648
00:28:18,658 --> 00:28:20,834
In fact, I met with her
personally this morning.
649
00:28:20,878 --> 00:28:23,097
In addition,
I've studied the records
650
00:28:23,141 --> 00:28:24,925
of the crime
of which she's accused.
651
00:28:24,969 --> 00:28:26,622
Transcripts,
police reports,
652
00:28:26,666 --> 00:28:28,842
evidence files.
653
00:28:28,886 --> 00:28:32,063
And have you come to any opinion
654
00:28:32,106 --> 00:28:34,935
regarding Ms. Kerrigan's mental health
655
00:28:34,979 --> 00:28:39,418
in the hours, days or even weeks
surrounding the killing?
656
00:28:39,461 --> 00:28:40,854
I have.
657
00:28:40,898 --> 00:28:42,987
Based on everything
that I've reviewed,
658
00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:45,293
it seems fairly obvious to me
659
00:28:45,337 --> 00:28:47,034
that, prior to the killing,
660
00:28:47,078 --> 00:28:51,517
she was suffering
from a profound case of PTSD
661
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,521
stemming from both her
relationship with Mr. Navarre
662
00:28:55,564 --> 00:28:57,523
and its aftermath.
663
00:28:57,566 --> 00:29:00,656
And in the days and weeks
leading up to
664
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:03,268
and including the killing,
665
00:29:03,311 --> 00:29:08,360
I believe her behavior fits the
legal definition of insanity.
666
00:29:08,403 --> 00:29:11,798
Right. I-It-- You hear
about PTSD all the time.
667
00:29:11,842 --> 00:29:13,495
Seems like
it's everywhere.
668
00:29:13,539 --> 00:29:14,845
Is it even real?
669
00:29:14,888 --> 00:29:17,021
Does such a thing
actually exist?
670
00:29:17,064 --> 00:29:19,458
Oh, it absolutely exists.
671
00:29:19,501 --> 00:29:21,242
In fact, it's been recognized
672
00:29:21,286 --> 00:29:23,375
for over a century
under different names.
673
00:29:23,418 --> 00:29:26,813
In World War I,
they called it "shellshock."
674
00:29:26,857 --> 00:29:28,380
In World War II,
675
00:29:28,423 --> 00:29:31,035
they referred to it
as "battle fatigue."
676
00:29:31,078 --> 00:29:32,688
It's all
the same thing.
677
00:29:32,732 --> 00:29:34,603
And it doesn't just happen
to soldiers in combat.
678
00:29:34,647 --> 00:29:36,170
Anyone who's party to
679
00:29:36,214 --> 00:29:37,215
or witnesses
680
00:29:37,258 --> 00:29:39,173
a traumatic event
681
00:29:39,217 --> 00:29:41,306
is a candidatefor it.
682
00:29:41,349 --> 00:29:43,830
And does PTSD make you insane?
683
00:29:43,874 --> 00:29:46,441
No, it does not.
684
00:29:46,485 --> 00:29:49,444
And yet you began your testimony
by stating unequivocally
685
00:29:49,488 --> 00:29:52,230
that Holly Kerrigan
was legally insane.
686
00:29:52,273 --> 00:29:55,363
Or at least she was
in the days or hours
687
00:29:55,407 --> 00:29:57,496
prior to Roger Navarre's death.
688
00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:58,932
I do.
689
00:29:58,976 --> 00:30:00,629
I think a simple review
of the facts
690
00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:02,327
makes that abundantly clear.
691
00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:04,024
How do you mean?
692
00:30:04,068 --> 00:30:05,721
Put aside
whether you believe
693
00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:09,377
the act of murder is the
undertaking of a sane person.
694
00:30:09,421 --> 00:30:11,553
Making a choice to kill a person
695
00:30:11,597 --> 00:30:14,687
in front of so many witnesses
is not.
696
00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:16,210
Add to that that,
697
00:30:16,254 --> 00:30:17,821
once she pulled the trigger,
698
00:30:17,864 --> 00:30:20,475
she made absolutely no attempt
to flee.
699
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:22,390
Add to that,
700
00:30:22,434 --> 00:30:24,871
then she tried to kill herself.
701
00:30:24,915 --> 00:30:26,525
That human being,
702
00:30:26,568 --> 00:30:27,874
in that moment,
703
00:30:27,918 --> 00:30:28,962
is not sane.
704
00:30:31,573 --> 00:30:33,445
I see.
705
00:30:33,488 --> 00:30:34,925
Thank you very much.
706
00:30:34,968 --> 00:30:36,927
I have no further questions,
Your Honor.
707
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:38,667
Dr. Diposo,
708
00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:41,540
you testified
that you met with the accused
709
00:30:41,583 --> 00:30:43,803
for the first time this morning.
710
00:30:43,847 --> 00:30:45,283
That's correct.
711
00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:46,806
And what time
did that meeting take place?
712
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:49,069
We started around 10:00 a.m.
713
00:30:49,113 --> 00:30:50,810
And how long did you go?
714
00:30:50,854 --> 00:30:52,638
Little over two hours.
715
00:30:52,681 --> 00:30:56,381
Okay. So,
it's a little after 2:00 now--
716
00:30:56,424 --> 00:30:59,253
45 minutes for lunch--
w... wouldn't you say
717
00:30:59,297 --> 00:31:02,822
that you arrived at your
conclusions rather quickly?
718
00:31:02,866 --> 00:31:06,347
Again, the accused's behavior,
in that moment,
719
00:31:06,391 --> 00:31:08,045
says it all.
720
00:31:08,088 --> 00:31:11,787
No matter how much time
I might have to contemplate,
721
00:31:11,831 --> 00:31:14,399
it wouldn't change
my conclusions.
722
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,923
John Wilkes Booth.
723
00:31:16,967 --> 00:31:18,185
Insane?
724
00:31:18,229 --> 00:31:19,839
Excuse me?
725
00:31:19,883 --> 00:31:21,841
John Wilkes Booth, the man
who shot Abraham Lincoln.
726
00:31:21,885 --> 00:31:24,104
Did it in a theater
full of people.
727
00:31:24,148 --> 00:31:26,933
By your definition,
wouldn't he be insane?
728
00:31:26,977 --> 00:31:29,370
I'm not prepared to render
a decision on that.
729
00:31:29,414 --> 00:31:32,069
I've never met with Mr. Booth.
730
00:31:32,112 --> 00:31:34,071
Of course not.
And he did try to flee, so...
731
00:31:34,114 --> 00:31:35,246
never mind.
732
00:31:35,289 --> 00:31:36,551
Objection, Your Honor.
733
00:31:36,595 --> 00:31:38,379
Counsel is badgering
the witness.
734
00:31:38,423 --> 00:31:39,946
My apologies, Your Honor.
735
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:42,470
I'll withdraw the question,
Your Honor.
736
00:31:42,514 --> 00:31:43,994
How about Sirhan Sirhan?
737
00:31:44,037 --> 00:31:46,431
Shot Bobby Kennedy in
a room full of people
738
00:31:46,474 --> 00:31:48,128
in a hotel in Los Angeles--
insane?
739
00:31:48,172 --> 00:31:49,956
Your Honor...
740
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,001
Ms. Conway!
741
00:31:51,044 --> 00:31:52,872
How about all the terrorists
742
00:31:52,916 --> 00:31:55,005
in all the planes that attacked
this country on 9/11?
743
00:31:55,048 --> 00:31:56,658
Insane? Or impassioned?
744
00:31:56,702 --> 00:31:57,703
Crazy?
Or determined
745
00:31:57,746 --> 00:31:59,052
to do something and willing
746
00:31:59,096 --> 00:32:00,880
-to get it done at any cost?
-Your Honor,
747
00:32:00,924 --> 00:32:03,622
counsel isn't even
addressing the witness.
748
00:32:03,665 --> 00:32:06,146
She is testifying
directly to the jury.
749
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:07,539
Ms. Conway, if you do not stop
750
00:32:07,582 --> 00:32:09,497
and allow the witness to answer,
751
00:32:09,541 --> 00:32:11,804
I will find you
in contempt of court.
752
00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:13,849
That's all right, Your Honor.
753
00:32:13,893 --> 00:32:15,851
My apologies, Your Honor.
754
00:32:15,895 --> 00:32:17,592
I'll just withdraw the question.
755
00:32:18,593 --> 00:32:21,074
And I have no more questions.
756
00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:35,610
Well, that's a terrific
closing argument, Benny.
757
00:32:37,743 --> 00:32:39,092
It's beautiful, actually.
758
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:43,749
So you think it'll make
a damn bit of difference?
759
00:32:45,055 --> 00:32:47,057
No, I don't.
760
00:32:51,539 --> 00:32:53,280
I am absolutely certain
761
00:32:53,324 --> 00:32:55,935
we don't have anywhere near
a dozen "not guilty" votes,
762
00:32:55,979 --> 00:32:59,721
much less "not guilty
by reason of insanity."
763
00:32:59,765 --> 00:33:01,897
And I'm reasonably sure
the A.D.A. doesn't have
764
00:33:01,941 --> 00:33:04,204
a dozen jurors who want
to send Holly to prison
765
00:33:04,248 --> 00:33:06,424
for the rest
of her life, either.
766
00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:09,122
So you think we're
looking at a hung jury?
767
00:33:10,776 --> 00:33:12,952
I'm afraid so.
768
00:33:12,996 --> 00:33:15,650
Mr. Colón.
Dr. Bull.
769
00:33:15,694 --> 00:33:17,261
-Rachel.
-Ladies.
770
00:33:17,304 --> 00:33:19,350
None of us has a good feeling
about any of this.
771
00:33:19,393 --> 00:33:22,396
Well, I'd love to disabuse you
of that feeling, but...
772
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,658
I can't.
773
00:33:26,574 --> 00:33:28,881
We ought to head inside.
774
00:33:32,145 --> 00:33:34,104
Let me remind you
775
00:33:34,147 --> 00:33:37,629
of the funeral
in which this all began.
776
00:33:37,672 --> 00:33:40,762
The funeral of a young dancer.
777
00:33:40,806 --> 00:33:43,504
17 years old.
778
00:33:43,548 --> 00:33:46,290
Took her own life.
779
00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:48,640
One can only imagine the pain
780
00:33:48,683 --> 00:33:51,686
that must have been inflicted
upon this young woman,
781
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:54,776
to choose death by her own hand.
782
00:33:56,517 --> 00:34:00,304
I mean,
how do we make sense of that?
783
00:34:00,347 --> 00:34:01,435
Seems...
784
00:34:01,479 --> 00:34:04,047
beyond comprehension.
785
00:34:05,091 --> 00:34:07,224
But one person understood.
786
00:34:07,267 --> 00:34:08,703
My client understood.
787
00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:11,750
When she saw the young ballerina
788
00:34:11,793 --> 00:34:13,752
and her old boyfriend
on the street
789
00:34:13,795 --> 00:34:15,754
making their way
out of a woman's clinic,
790
00:34:15,797 --> 00:34:19,018
she knew instantly
what was happening.
791
00:34:19,062 --> 00:34:21,803
You know why?
Because it happened to her.
792
00:34:21,847 --> 00:34:24,415
And she knew
at that exact moment
793
00:34:24,458 --> 00:34:27,287
that it was gonna keep happening
to other young women
794
00:34:27,331 --> 00:34:30,029
unless she put a stop to it.
795
00:34:31,074 --> 00:34:33,076
And that's exactly what she did.
796
00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:36,862
Now, ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
797
00:34:36,905 --> 00:34:40,735
I know some of you may think
my client is a criminal.
798
00:34:42,215 --> 00:34:44,826
Well...
799
00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:47,351
I know some people
who think she's a hero.
800
00:34:47,394 --> 00:34:52,051
And whatever side
of that question you land on,
801
00:34:52,095 --> 00:34:54,706
one thing's undeniable,
802
00:34:54,749 --> 00:34:58,753
and that is, my client's life
has been irreparably destroyed.
803
00:34:58,797 --> 00:35:01,191
And there's no reason to think
that incarceration
804
00:35:01,234 --> 00:35:04,672
for the rest of her life
will do anything other than make
805
00:35:04,716 --> 00:35:07,849
whatever's already been damaged
even more so.
806
00:35:09,677 --> 00:35:11,418
So, please...
807
00:35:14,117 --> 00:35:16,554
...let's give
this young woman a chance...
808
00:35:17,903 --> 00:35:20,558
...at finding the professional
help that she needs.
809
00:35:22,299 --> 00:35:26,259
And at helping her forge
a future for herself.
810
00:35:27,565 --> 00:35:29,480
Thank you for listening.
811
00:35:35,225 --> 00:35:39,968
Ladies and gentlemen,
you may think she's a criminal.
812
00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:42,928
That's what the attorney
for the accused just said.
813
00:35:42,971 --> 00:35:45,191
Well, let me
clear that up for you.
814
00:35:45,235 --> 00:35:47,193
She is a criminal.
815
00:35:47,237 --> 00:35:50,109
People who shoot people
in the back of the head,
816
00:35:50,153 --> 00:35:52,503
in our society, are criminals.
817
00:35:52,546 --> 00:35:54,809
And thank goodness
that's the case.
818
00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:58,291
Look, no one's saying
that Roger Navarre
819
00:35:58,335 --> 00:35:59,597
was a model citizen.
820
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,773
Clearly,
he had a lot of girlfriends,
821
00:36:01,816 --> 00:36:04,776
many of them
far younger than he.
822
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:10,434
But only one of them saw fit
to end his life.
823
00:36:10,477 --> 00:36:13,001
Only one of them saw fit
to sneak up behind him...
824
00:36:13,045 --> 00:36:17,049
I was with Roger Navarre
for a year and a half,
825
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:19,486
and I drove Holly
from Ohio to New York
826
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:22,141
so she could shoot that monster.
Convict me.
827
00:36:22,185 --> 00:36:23,708
Order! We're in the middle
of closing arguments.
828
00:36:23,751 --> 00:36:26,232
The court officer will
remove this woman...
829
00:36:26,276 --> 00:36:27,973
I was with Roger Navarre
for seven months,
830
00:36:28,016 --> 00:36:29,627
and I bought the gun.
831
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:31,237
Convict me.
832
00:36:31,281 --> 00:36:33,326
Order! I need this court
to come to order!
833
00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:35,372
I was with Roger Navarre
for almost a year.
834
00:36:35,415 --> 00:36:36,895
I paid for the bullets.
835
00:36:36,938 --> 00:36:38,418
Convict me.
836
00:36:38,462 --> 00:36:40,333
And I was with Roger Navarre
for ten months.
837
00:36:40,377 --> 00:36:41,943
I told Holly
all about the funeral.
838
00:36:41,987 --> 00:36:43,554
Where it was.
When it was.
839
00:36:43,597 --> 00:36:45,730
We're all as
responsible as she is.
840
00:36:45,773 --> 00:36:48,080
If you convict Holly, you
should convict us, too.
841
00:36:48,123 --> 00:36:50,691
I need these women to be
escorted from the courtroom
842
00:36:50,735 --> 00:36:52,258
and held in contempt.
843
00:36:52,302 --> 00:36:53,955
I need the accused
to be returned to holding.
844
00:36:53,999 --> 00:36:56,262
And I need the jury
to be led back
845
00:36:56,306 --> 00:36:58,395
to the jury room so that I
can have a private conversation
846
00:36:58,438 --> 00:37:01,311
with counsel from both sides.
847
00:37:01,354 --> 00:37:05,619
I need this court
to come to order!
848
00:37:05,663 --> 00:37:07,839
So, what's your
pleasure, Ms. Conway?
849
00:37:07,882 --> 00:37:09,493
The jury is tainted.
850
00:37:09,536 --> 00:37:11,234
Are the People moving
for a mistrial?
851
00:37:11,277 --> 00:37:14,062
I need a little time.
I need to call the D.A.
852
00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:15,890
May I have 20 minutes?
853
00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:19,067
Take an hour.
I'll be in my chambers.
854
00:37:19,111 --> 00:37:20,721
Thank you, Your Honor.
855
00:37:20,765 --> 00:37:24,159
I'll be in the conference room
if anyone needs me.
856
00:37:25,335 --> 00:37:27,380
Well, you called it.
857
00:37:27,424 --> 00:37:29,164
Looks like
it's gonna be a mistrial.
858
00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:30,775
Maybe.
859
00:37:30,818 --> 00:37:32,603
Maybe not.
860
00:37:35,301 --> 00:37:37,303
This room is being used.
861
00:37:38,696 --> 00:37:40,524
-So, what's
the verdict?
862
00:37:40,567 --> 00:37:43,135
Take a guess. I'm-I'm trying
to write the press release now.
863
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,879
Ah, yes, so, the D.A.
wants a mistrial, right?
864
00:37:47,922 --> 00:37:49,228
Eh, why not?
865
00:37:49,272 --> 00:37:51,274
Another year, who's
gonna complain
866
00:37:51,317 --> 00:37:53,928
that an accused killer
is staying behind bars
867
00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:56,279
even though there's been
no verdict rendered?
868
00:37:57,323 --> 00:38:00,195
Is there anything else?
'Cause I'm really busy.
869
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,589
Yeah, actually,
there's one more thing.
870
00:38:02,633 --> 00:38:05,288
And I only mention this
because you're really good.
871
00:38:05,331 --> 00:38:07,290
You're very impressive.
872
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:09,422
I've watched you work twice now,
873
00:38:09,466 --> 00:38:11,642
and you've got what it takes.
874
00:38:12,643 --> 00:38:14,906
Okay.
875
00:38:14,949 --> 00:38:17,387
Nobody knows your name.
876
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,696
You didn't come all this way
for a mistrial.
877
00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:24,785
I know you're ambitious.
878
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:26,831
I know you've got big plans.
879
00:38:26,874 --> 00:38:29,703
Maybe city attorney.
Maybe mayor.
880
00:38:29,747 --> 00:38:31,662
Where are you going
with this conversation?
881
00:38:31,705 --> 00:38:33,141
Every challenge is
a hidden opportunity.
882
00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:34,752
Okay, you know,
I-I hear you selling,
883
00:38:34,795 --> 00:38:37,363
but I have no freaking idea
what the product is.
884
00:38:37,407 --> 00:38:40,279
Four women stood up in court
today and said, "I did it, too."
885
00:38:40,323 --> 00:38:42,063
How long you think
that's gonna stay secret?
886
00:38:42,107 --> 00:38:45,197
Well, the truth is that
only one woman is responsible
887
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,851
for the death of Roger Navarre.
888
00:38:46,894 --> 00:38:49,288
The truth.
889
00:38:49,332 --> 00:38:51,812
The truth is,
Roger Navarre ruined lives,
890
00:38:51,856 --> 00:38:54,206
and he was poised
to ruin many more.
891
00:38:54,249 --> 00:38:55,773
He was a very bad man,
892
00:38:55,816 --> 00:38:58,036
and there are a lot of men
out there just like him.
893
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,648
Women know the truth.
You know the truth.
894
00:39:01,692 --> 00:39:03,650
You're the prosecuting attorney,
895
00:39:03,694 --> 00:39:05,826
and you've just been handed
a do-over.
896
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:08,351
Don't you think,
knowing what you know...
897
00:39:08,394 --> 00:39:10,657
this would be a good time
to listen to your heart
898
00:39:10,701 --> 00:39:12,485
instead of your boss?
899
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:18,578
Do the right thing.
900
00:39:18,622 --> 00:39:21,276
And, as an added benefit,
901
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,931
you make a little noise
for yourself.
902
00:39:32,331 --> 00:39:35,421
Due to a series of outbursts
in the courtroom today,
903
00:39:35,465 --> 00:39:37,902
a mistrial has been declared
in the matter
904
00:39:37,945 --> 00:39:40,557
of The People v. Holly Kerrigan.
905
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,038
I want you to know that,
as the prosecuting attorney,
906
00:39:44,082 --> 00:39:47,694
I've elected not to retry
this case at this time,
907
00:39:47,738 --> 00:39:49,696
and have agreed
to allow Ms. Kerrigan,
908
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:51,698
subject to psychiatric evaluation
909
00:39:51,742 --> 00:39:53,700
and a willingness
to enter pretrial probation,
910
00:39:53,744 --> 00:39:55,702
to serve no jail time.
911
00:39:55,746 --> 00:39:58,531
This will spare the People
both the cost of a new trial
912
00:39:58,575 --> 00:40:01,404
and the expense
of Ms. Kerrigan's incarceration
913
00:40:01,447 --> 00:40:03,536
until such time
as that trial begins.
914
00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:05,146
To be clear,
915
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:09,586
while I do not condone
Ms. Kerrigan's actions...
916
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:13,981
...it became apparent
over the course of the trial
917
00:40:14,025 --> 00:40:17,028
that her victim, Mr. Navarre,
918
00:40:17,071 --> 00:40:20,988
was, in fact,
an extremely dangerous predator.
919
00:40:21,032 --> 00:40:23,730
The kind of man
who takes pleasure
920
00:40:23,774 --> 00:40:27,995
in laying waste to
young women's lives and futures.
921
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,869
And while that does not excuse
what happened here,
922
00:40:31,912 --> 00:40:35,960
it does provide context
for Ms. Kerrigan's actions
923
00:40:36,003 --> 00:40:38,919
that we were
heretofore unaware of.
924
00:40:40,791 --> 00:40:42,357
And for those of you
925
00:40:42,401 --> 00:40:47,754
who have never met
a man like Roger Navarre...
926
00:40:47,798 --> 00:40:50,888
just ask your wives...
927
00:40:50,931 --> 00:40:53,281
your daughters...
928
00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,414
your mothers...
929
00:40:55,458 --> 00:40:57,460
your girlfriends.
930
00:40:58,548 --> 00:41:01,159
I'm reasonably certain
that they have.
931
00:41:03,944 --> 00:41:07,165
I'm Assistant District Attorney
Whitney Conway.
932
00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:09,210
Thanks for your attention.
933
00:41:21,745 --> 00:41:25,488
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