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ANNOUNCER:
This isJustice in America.
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And I'm Madeline McBride.
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It has been 73 days
since the murder
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of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle.
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Kaylee was found sexually
assaulted and stabbed to death
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in her Westchester,
New York home.
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And while the police have yet
to make an arrest,
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there is one suspect from whom
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we never hear.
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I'm talking
about Kaylee's stepfather,
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Jeremy Brennan.
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According to Jeremy's
statement to the police,
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he picked up Kaylee after school
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at soccer practice
and returned home.
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And while Kaylee's mother
was at work,
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Jeremy claims
he went on a bike ride
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and returned less than
an hour later to find
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his stepdaughter
dead on the kitchen floor,
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her soccer jersey ripped open,
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her shorts pulled down
to her ankles,
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and a kitchen knife
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buried in her chest.
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Well, apparently, the police
are running out of ways
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to get this man to talk,
and that is why
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I am asking you,
for the 22nd night in a row,
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to let Jeremy Brennan know
that youneed to hear from him.
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Youwant answers.
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And he can't hide!
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Let's keep up the pressure.
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Let's bombard this man
with our tweets.
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Let's demand
that he come forward
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and answer some questions.
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@JeremyBrennanRealty.
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♪StopHidingJeremy.
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Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón.
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I appreciate you
braving the pandemic
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to meet me
this morning.
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For the record,
I get tested every day.
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The room is disinfected
every night.
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So feel free
to leave your masks on
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or take them off
as you see fit.
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You gentlemen know
why you're here?
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I'm guessing it's because
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you have
a Madeline McBride problem.
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She's being sued by that family
of the little girl
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who was murdered.
And they want her
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to stop encouraging her viewers
to harass the stepfather
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on social media.
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Please.
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Well, you know...
this Madeline McBride issue.
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She's picking a fight
with someone who,
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who might be the guilty party,
but also someone
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who could certainly be
perceived as the victim,
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in that his stepdaughter was
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the person
who died.
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Can't pay them off--
they don't want money.
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Can't ask Madeline to stop
what she's doing
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without doing irreparable harm
to her brand,
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which, as you know, is
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the tough-talking, acerbic,
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defender of those
denied justice.
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Yada, yada, yada.
Long story short,
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we're going to court,
whether we want to or not.
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BENNY: So you
think the jury
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just might side with
the family of the dead girl?
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[sighs]
Our whole business is based
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on the assumption that
the First Amendment gives
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our air personalities
the right to express themselves
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without fear of retribution.
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And I don't want to give
the courts or a jury
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any reason to second-guess that.
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I'd just love to shut this down
sooner rather than later.
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If you two were inclined
to lead the fight for us...
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I'd certainly make it
worth your while.
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You ever watch
that lady's show?
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I have caught a little
of it here and there.
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It's hard to believe that's
what the founding fathers
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had in mind when they were
cooking up the Constitution.
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Are you trying to tell me
you'd rather not be involved?
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Madeline McBride is part of
this culture of evisceration
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that takes over cable
television every night.
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Whether it's politics
or celebrity stalking
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or true crime,
it's just...
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it's just mean, man.
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Well, it might be mean,
but Madeline McBride
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and WNN are on the right
side of this thing legally.
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It's the First Amendment.
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And the problem is...
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if you don't stand up for
the people you don't agree with
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when they're being silenced,
there might not be
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a right to free speech
when they come after
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the people
that you doagree with.
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Right? No less a figure
than George Washington said,
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"If freedom of speech is taken
away, then dumb and silent
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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BENNY:
Your Honor, the law
of the state of New York
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is very clear-- an injunction
can only be granted
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if there's proof
that the party in question
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is doing irreparable harm.
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Counsel is correct
on that point.
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Is your client suffering
irreparable harm?
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Without question, Your Honor.
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Jeremy Brennan is suffering
indescribable mental anguish
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because of Madeline
McBride's relentless
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and very
public attacks.
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To be clear,
she's accusing
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my client of the murder
of his stepdaughter
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on national television,
virtually every night
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for over a month now.
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All this while he and his wife
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are dealing with the anguish
of having lost
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their only child in...
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as gruesome and savage
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a rape and murder
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as I can ever recall.
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She is using
her bully pulpit
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to urge her viewers
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to call him out
via social media.
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My client receives
over a thousand
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tweets a day--
all of them hostile,
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many of them threatening--
and all of them mention
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Ms. McBride and
her program by name.
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Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is
a real estate agent.
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His name... is an integral
part of his business.
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Bus benches with
his name and photo
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are being defaced
with the words "pedophile"
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and "killer."
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Mr. Brennan can't even go out
in public anymore.
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And let's start
with the fact
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that my client
has never
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been arrested or charged
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with any crime. None.
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Furthermore, there
is clear evidence
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that someone else
is the killer.
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There was unidentified
DNA and skin cells
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present under
Kaylee's fingernails.
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Something Ms. McBride doesn't
even mention on her show.
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BENNY:Your Honor, the DNA found
underneath the victim's
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fingernails could come
from anyone, anywhere.
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Possibly even...
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one of her friends
on the soccer field.
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And isn't this ultimately
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about the First Amendment?
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No less a figure than
George Washington declared,
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"If freedom of speech
is taken away,
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"then dumb and silent,
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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GODFORD:
Mr. Colón knows good and well
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that not all speech
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is protected
by the First Amendment.
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The Supreme Court has
been very clear on that.
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There's a reason
you can't yell fire
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in a crowded theater.
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Respectfully, Your Honor,
you can if there's smoke.
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Personally, going forward,
I would encourage
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Ms. McBride to show
a degree of sensitivity
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to Mr. Brennan, who,
as Mr. Godford points out,
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has not even been charged
with a crime at this point.
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However, I am bound
by the State of New York
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as well as the United States'
Constitution.
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Madeline McBride has a
guaranteed First Amendment right
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to state her opinion.
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Therefore, I am denying
the request for an injunction.
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Court dismissed.
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Nice job, gentlemen.
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Uh... I told you
we were in good hands.
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That George Washington quote
was very moving.
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We barely said hello,
but I'm very grateful
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for what you did here today.
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And...
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I know that Kaylee is, too.
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[elevator bell chimes]
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Hi, hi, sorry!
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Forgive me for ambushing you.
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It's just that your place
was locked, but then...
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the guard downstairs
recognized me
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and he said that I could
wait here for you,
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so...
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What can I do for you,
Ms. McBride?
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[sighs]
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I got a phone call
about an hour ago.
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Jeremy Brennan,
Kaylee Nagle's stepfather,
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he...
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...he killed himself last night.
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♪
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[phone ringing, buzzing]
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Hello?
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Yes, this is she.
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Sorry, what hospital is this?
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Oh, no, no, there must be
some mistake.
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You're, like,
three blocks away from me.
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My father lives in Louisiana.
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Has for the last 15 years.
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Wait, he what?
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Tonight?
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Day 42-- no response
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from Jeremy Brennan
or his attorneys
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regarding his availability
or willingness
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to appear on this show.
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No response from Westchester PD
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as to what their plans
are moving forward
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in regards
to the Kaylee Nagle case.
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No response from the mayor.
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No response
from the county supervisor.
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And that is why I've applied
for a permit
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for an organized rally
across the street
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from the Brennan home.
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The scene of Kaylee's death.
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And if you live
in the tri-state area,
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I do hope that you will
come down and join me
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as we let the world know
that we have some questions.
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And we want some answers!
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Our client concluded
her broadcast,
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this broadcast, at 9:59.
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According to the Brennan cable
box, the program was viewed
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in both the bedroom
and the family room.
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Jeremy's widow tells us
she watched it alone
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and fell asleep
shortly thereafter.
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Apparently her late husband
never made it upstairs to bed.
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Sometime between 2:00
and 3:00 a.m.,
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he entered the garage,
climbed into his car,
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started the engine...
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but never opened
the garage door.
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Just sat in the front seat and
waited for the carbon monoxide
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to do its job-- no texts,
no note, no nothing.
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BULL: Let's talk law--
the other side is gonna have
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to prove Jeremy Brennan's
suicide was uniquely
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a result of Madeline McBride's
on-air provocations.
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And as disturbing
as what we just saw was,
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that's gonna be a very,
very difficult thing to prove.
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And yet, the six people
sitting in judgment of all this
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may have a hard time
separating what Madeline did
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from who Madeline is,
or who she appears to be.
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Taylor, you have those Q scores?
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"Q score"?
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They measure the likeabilityand familiarity
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of a celebrity.
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Madeline McBride has
an extraordinarily
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high Q score, actually.
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Over 80% of adults
who are between the ages
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of 18 and 49
know who she is.
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Additionally, two out
of three of those 80%
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admit to watching her at
least three times a month.
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Okay. She's popular.
We knew that.
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Here's the fascinating part.
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Two-thirds of that subsetthat says they watch her,
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admit they don't like her.
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They find her shrill,hysterical, judgmental, unfair.
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Most repeated comment:"She's not a nice person."
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BULL:And therein lies the problem.
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That is our potential jury pool,which is why
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we have to make sure
this case doesn't devolve
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into a referendum
on our client's personality.
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Now, the other side's gonna
have their hands full
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trying to prove causation,
which I'm fairly sure
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we will be able
to defend against, but...
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if this case becomes
about what that jury thinks
258
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about McBride's behavior as
a TV personality, we will lose.
259
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We can't play defense and win.
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We have to make sure
this jury understands
261
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this is much bigger
than a cable news TV show.
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[melancholy, orchestral movie
music plays, bell tolls]
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[knocking]
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This better be important.
265
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What can I do for you?
266
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Any progress in the
Madeline McBride of it all?
267
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Still in the midst.
268
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Actually, I had a startling
revelation a little while ago.
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Our client...
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is the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
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People see her--
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they're appalled,
but they're also fascinated.
273
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Same way they feel
about the Hunchback.
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They can't look away.
275
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So, what the novel does,what the movie does
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is it humanizes this person
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that people find
so frightening, so terrifying.
278
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It makes them care about him.
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That's what we need
to do with Madeline.
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Any idea how?
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Not a clue.
282
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Something will come to me.
283
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But I suspect that is not why
you came to my office.
284
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Actually, I was hoping
285
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to get a couple of minutes
with the other Dr. Bull.
286
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The psychologist.
287
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[sighs]
288
00:12:50,252 --> 00:12:52,777
What's going on?
289
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My father passed away
last night.
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COVID.
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I'm so sorry.No, it's fine.
292
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I'm fine.
293
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Didn't even know he was sick.
294
00:13:06,703 --> 00:13:10,751
Haven't seen or spoken with him
in almost 15 years.
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I thought he was
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in New Orleans this whole time.
297
00:13:14,233 --> 00:13:17,584
Turns out he was living
four subway stops away from me.
298
00:13:17,627 --> 00:13:21,066
Is that what you wanted
to talk to me about?
299
00:13:21,109 --> 00:13:23,242
No. No.
300
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Um, I wanted to talk about me.
301
00:13:28,508 --> 00:13:31,685
So, I got the call
at 3:00 in the morning.
302
00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:34,993
Hung up, went straight to sleep.
303
00:13:35,036 --> 00:13:36,864
Didn't cry.
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Just slept.
305
00:13:38,692 --> 00:13:41,564
Then I got up, came to work.
306
00:13:41,608 --> 00:13:43,958
Still haven't cried.
307
00:13:47,222 --> 00:13:49,007
Is that crazy?
308
00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:51,270
Well, there's a lot
I don't know,
309
00:13:51,313 --> 00:13:53,359
but my suspicion is...
310
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you're not reacting yet
to what happened.
311
00:13:57,102 --> 00:14:00,583
And there's two reasons.
One, you're in shock.
312
00:14:00,627 --> 00:14:04,892
And two, your father
already left you 15 years ago.
313
00:14:04,936 --> 00:14:08,243
So, I suspect
you've been mourning him
314
00:14:08,287 --> 00:14:10,942
on and off for years.
315
00:14:14,336 --> 00:14:16,556
That makes sense.
316
00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:19,820
Thank you, Dr. Bull.
317
00:14:23,432 --> 00:14:25,913
Danny?
318
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Sooner or later, you will cry.
319
00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:34,313
I don't know.
320
00:14:34,356 --> 00:14:36,837
He is my father.
321
00:14:36,881 --> 00:14:40,754
And it's not like
I don't have any good memories.
322
00:14:42,538 --> 00:14:44,845
But in a lot of ways,
he was a really bad guy.
323
00:14:44,889 --> 00:14:47,674
I'm just telling you,
it could be tomorrow,
324
00:14:47,717 --> 00:14:49,415
could be years from now.
325
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You'll be walking
down the street,
326
00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:54,376
and suddenly, it hits you.
327
00:14:55,987 --> 00:14:58,119
I just want you
to know it's coming.
328
00:14:58,163 --> 00:14:59,860
Okay.
329
00:14:59,904 --> 00:15:02,471
I've been warned.
330
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GODFORD:
And when did
331
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the two of you become
aware that Madeline McBride
332
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was implicating your husband
333
00:15:14,222 --> 00:15:17,704
in the death of your child
on national television?
334
00:15:17,747 --> 00:15:20,794
Were you regular viewers
of her program?
335
00:15:20,837 --> 00:15:23,884
No, I had never seen it before,
I'd-I'd never heard of her.
336
00:15:23,928 --> 00:15:28,019
Um, I'm guessing
the first time she mentioned it,
337
00:15:28,062 --> 00:15:31,022
it was a Friday night,
because I remember
338
00:15:31,065 --> 00:15:34,939
it was a Saturday morning
when we first got the tweets.
339
00:15:34,982 --> 00:15:37,332
Um, my husband
340
00:15:37,376 --> 00:15:39,378
had his own
Twitter account for,
341
00:15:39,421 --> 00:15:41,380
uh, for his work.
342
00:15:41,423 --> 00:15:45,210
And he woke me up
to show me the...
343
00:15:45,253 --> 00:15:46,646
ugliest messages.
344
00:15:46,689 --> 00:15:49,823
Um, and as I said,
it was a Saturday morning,
345
00:15:49,866 --> 00:15:51,607
which are always the hardest,
346
00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:54,001
because Saturdays
were Kaylee's days.
347
00:15:54,045 --> 00:15:58,266
It was soccer and sleepovers,
and then...
348
00:15:58,310 --> 00:16:01,052
there were just these long days
349
00:16:01,095 --> 00:16:04,272
that we had to fill
by ourselves.
350
00:16:04,316 --> 00:16:08,146
GODFORD:
And how did your life change
351
00:16:08,189 --> 00:16:10,975
as Madeline McBride began
352
00:16:11,018 --> 00:16:14,369
her nightly campaign
against your husband?
353
00:16:14,413 --> 00:16:16,981
After she insinuated
on national television
354
00:16:17,024 --> 00:16:21,855
that Kaylee's stepfather was
a pedophile and a killer?
355
00:16:21,898 --> 00:16:25,032
[voice breaking]:
My husband was vilified.
356
00:16:26,468 --> 00:16:28,818
At the grocery store,
357
00:16:28,862 --> 00:16:31,604
at his office,
everywhere he went.
358
00:16:31,647 --> 00:16:33,519
They would call him names,
359
00:16:33,562 --> 00:16:35,651
tell him to stop hiding.
360
00:16:35,695 --> 00:16:37,218
And...
361
00:16:37,262 --> 00:16:39,177
did you
and Mr. Brennan ever feel
362
00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:42,658
that you were in any real danger
because of Ms. McBride?
363
00:16:42,702 --> 00:16:44,747
We did, and we were.
364
00:16:45,531 --> 00:16:47,968
In fact, the night before
Jeremy took his own life,
365
00:16:48,012 --> 00:16:50,449
someone threw a brick
through our front window.
366
00:16:50,492 --> 00:16:53,060
Your Honor,
we would like to introduce
367
00:16:53,104 --> 00:16:55,976
into evidence
the aforementioned brick
368
00:16:56,020 --> 00:16:58,544
that came
through the Brennans' window.
369
00:16:58,587 --> 00:17:00,067
Objection, Your Honor.
370
00:17:00,111 --> 00:17:03,201
A brick thrown by an unknown
perpetrator is not relevant
371
00:17:03,244 --> 00:17:05,420
to statements made
by Ms. McBride,
372
00:17:05,464 --> 00:17:08,989
and any attempt to connect
the two is speculative at best.
373
00:17:09,033 --> 00:17:11,122
Actually, the two are
very much connected,
374
00:17:11,165 --> 00:17:13,080
very much related,
Your Honor.
375
00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,040
Sorry, Counselor.
376
00:17:16,083 --> 00:17:18,390
I think we need
to see where this goes.
377
00:17:19,347 --> 00:17:21,132
Overruled.
378
00:17:21,958 --> 00:17:24,700
GODFORD:
The brick that
you're holding--
379
00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:26,789
there's some writing on it?
380
00:17:27,573 --> 00:17:31,229
Would you please read
what it says?
381
00:17:32,056 --> 00:17:34,275
It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy."
382
00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:36,756
GODFORD:And are you familiar
with that expression?
383
00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:38,932
TRACY:
I certainly am.
384
00:17:38,975 --> 00:17:41,543
"StopHidingJeremy"
was the hashtag
385
00:17:41,587 --> 00:17:46,113
McBride told her audience
to tweet to Jeremy every night.
386
00:17:49,986 --> 00:17:51,423
BULL:
You okay?
387
00:17:51,466 --> 00:17:52,728
What do you mean?
388
00:17:52,772 --> 00:17:54,774
Well, that had to be hard
to listen to in there.
389
00:17:54,817 --> 00:17:57,255
Oh. Well, I'm fine.
390
00:17:57,298 --> 00:18:00,954
I know, and I think
the jury sees,
391
00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:03,174
that this is very
difficult for her.
392
00:18:03,217 --> 00:18:05,785
She invited him
into her house.
393
00:18:05,828 --> 00:18:07,439
She invited him
into her life.
394
00:18:07,482 --> 00:18:10,311
And now her daughter is dead,
so she's lashing out at me.
395
00:18:10,355 --> 00:18:13,445
It's-it's kind of
classic textbook.
396
00:18:13,488 --> 00:18:14,794
Don't you think?
397
00:18:14,837 --> 00:18:17,231
Oh. Do you disagree?
398
00:18:17,275 --> 00:18:20,147
Well, for what it's worth,
that's not what I heard.
399
00:18:20,191 --> 00:18:23,194
I heard her communicate--
400
00:18:23,237 --> 00:18:25,805
and rather effectively,
I might add--
401
00:18:25,848 --> 00:18:28,199
the impact your show had
on her life.
402
00:18:28,242 --> 00:18:31,158
And, by extension,
her late husband's life.
403
00:18:31,202 --> 00:18:34,335
That is what they heard.
404
00:18:34,379 --> 00:18:37,164
Let's not confuse things,
Madeline.
405
00:18:37,208 --> 00:18:41,125
Jury's not here to litigate
her late husband's guilt.
406
00:18:41,168 --> 00:18:42,735
They're here to litigate yours.
407
00:18:42,778 --> 00:18:45,781
I'm guilty of nothing.
408
00:18:45,825 --> 00:18:47,261
I've killed no one.
409
00:18:47,305 --> 00:18:49,698
All I've done is exercise
my First Amendment rights,
410
00:18:49,742 --> 00:18:53,180
and, um, last time I checked,
that's not a crime.
411
00:18:53,224 --> 00:18:56,966
So, don't youconfuse things.
412
00:18:57,010 --> 00:19:00,056
And don't forget
who you're here to defend.
413
00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:02,233
[sighs]
414
00:19:07,803 --> 00:19:10,458
Dr. Soto,
will you please tell the court
415
00:19:10,502 --> 00:19:12,330
what it is you do?
416
00:19:12,373 --> 00:19:14,027
I'm a licensed psychiatrist
417
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:15,289
in the state of New York
418
00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:17,161
in private practice
in Westchester County,
419
00:19:17,204 --> 00:19:19,946
and until his death,
I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week
420
00:19:19,989 --> 00:19:22,557
for the past...
just about four years.
421
00:19:22,601 --> 00:19:24,907
And can you give the court
some idea
422
00:19:24,951 --> 00:19:27,345
why you were seeing
the late Mr. Brennan
423
00:19:27,388 --> 00:19:28,781
these past four years?
424
00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:30,957
SOTO:Well, without going
into too much detail,
425
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,221
what brought Mr. Brennan
into my office was his struggle
426
00:19:34,265 --> 00:19:36,528
with issues
involving generalized anxiety.
427
00:19:36,571 --> 00:19:39,879
The stresses involved
with running your own business.
428
00:19:39,922 --> 00:19:41,141
Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.
429
00:19:41,185 --> 00:19:44,579
And can you talk
about the impact
430
00:19:44,623 --> 00:19:46,538
Kaylee's death had on him?
431
00:19:46,581 --> 00:19:50,237
He was, uh, shattered.
432
00:19:50,281 --> 00:19:52,196
Destroyed.
433
00:19:52,239 --> 00:19:55,634
Uh, wanted to be
this strong anchor for his wife,
434
00:19:55,677 --> 00:19:57,288
who obviously was devastated,
435
00:19:57,331 --> 00:19:59,594
and felt ashamed
that he couldn't do it.
436
00:19:59,638 --> 00:20:01,205
Couldn't function.
437
00:20:01,248 --> 00:20:04,817
And then there was the
whole issue of responsibility.
438
00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:07,298
Tracy was at work,
he was at home.
439
00:20:07,341 --> 00:20:10,388
The way he explained it
to me was, he could have
440
00:20:10,431 --> 00:20:12,346
just as easily been there,
been at the house,
441
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:13,913
maybe stopped it from happening.
442
00:20:13,956 --> 00:20:15,915
But he was riding his bike.
443
00:20:15,958 --> 00:20:19,266
At one of our last sessions,
he told me
444
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:21,050
it was an incredibly
beautiful ride.
445
00:20:21,094 --> 00:20:24,750
And at the time,
it gave him enormous pleasure.
446
00:20:24,793 --> 00:20:26,317
And he really had trouble
understanding
447
00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,276
how he could experience
so much pleasure
448
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,628
when someone he loved so deeply
was experiencing so much horror.
449
00:20:33,672 --> 00:20:35,717
Your Honor,
we mean no disrespect,
450
00:20:35,761 --> 00:20:37,328
but it's hard
to see the relevance
451
00:20:37,371 --> 00:20:38,894
of any of this testimony,
452
00:20:38,938 --> 00:20:41,245
what bearing it has
on the case at hand.
453
00:20:41,288 --> 00:20:42,681
GODFORD:Your Honor, we believe
it's essential
454
00:20:42,724 --> 00:20:43,943
for the jury
to understand
455
00:20:43,986 --> 00:20:45,727
Mr. Brennan's state of mind
456
00:20:45,771 --> 00:20:47,773
before Ms. McBride turned him
457
00:20:47,816 --> 00:20:50,210
into the focus
of her broadcasts,
458
00:20:50,254 --> 00:20:54,170
so they may better understand
the impact she had on him.
459
00:20:54,214 --> 00:20:56,172
I agree,
460
00:20:56,216 --> 00:20:58,610
but I feel confident
that you've done that.
461
00:20:58,653 --> 00:21:00,873
If we could please
462
00:21:00,916 --> 00:21:02,918
move it along.GODFORD:
Beg the court's pardon.
463
00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:05,617
If I could just ask
one last question...
464
00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:07,314
Your Honor......about the days before
465
00:21:07,358 --> 00:21:11,405
Ms. McBride made him the
centerpiece of her broadcasts?
466
00:21:11,449 --> 00:21:13,494
One.
467
00:21:13,538 --> 00:21:15,104
But keep it brief.
468
00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:17,193
GODFORD:
During that period,
469
00:21:17,237 --> 00:21:20,240
immediately after
Kaylee's death
470
00:21:20,284 --> 00:21:23,374
but before Ms. McBride made him
topic number one
471
00:21:23,417 --> 00:21:28,335
on her television show, did
he seem at all to you suicidal?
472
00:21:28,379 --> 00:21:29,989
As his doctor,
473
00:21:30,032 --> 00:21:33,209
were you ever really concerned
about his safety?
474
00:21:33,253 --> 00:21:34,254
No.
475
00:21:34,298 --> 00:21:36,996
He was depressed. He was angry.
476
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:39,041
He couldn't sleep or eat.
477
00:21:39,085 --> 00:21:40,739
But he was also very clear
478
00:21:40,782 --> 00:21:42,697
that he had to be there
for his wife.
479
00:21:42,741 --> 00:21:44,786
GODFORD:
I see. And after
480
00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:47,485
he was implicated
by Ms. McBride?
481
00:21:47,528 --> 00:21:48,921
That was the first time I saw
482
00:21:48,964 --> 00:21:51,532
anything even resembling
suicidal ideation.
483
00:21:51,576 --> 00:21:54,709
She was on television
every night
484
00:21:54,753 --> 00:21:56,450
implying awful things.
485
00:21:56,494 --> 00:21:58,539
The unrelenting tweets.
486
00:21:58,583 --> 00:22:00,846
The phone calls
in the middle of the night.
487
00:22:00,889 --> 00:22:02,630
The brick
through the window.
488
00:22:02,674 --> 00:22:06,460
This rally she wanted to have
across from his house.
489
00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:09,245
I wish I hadn't been so timid
about it.
490
00:22:09,289 --> 00:22:11,639
I wish I really had pushed
491
00:22:11,683 --> 00:22:14,468
to have him hospitalized.
492
00:22:14,512 --> 00:22:16,905
Nothing further, Your Honor.
493
00:22:16,949 --> 00:22:19,125
[clears throat]
494
00:22:21,083 --> 00:22:24,217
BENNY:
Hello, Dr. Soto.
495
00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:26,262
So...
496
00:22:26,306 --> 00:22:30,005
Are you familiar
with the concept of correlation
497
00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:32,834
and how it's often confused
with causation?
498
00:22:32,878 --> 00:22:34,836
I'm familiar with it, yes.
499
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,272
BENNY:
That even if there is
500
00:22:36,316 --> 00:22:39,188
a correlation
between Ms. McBride's actions
501
00:22:39,232 --> 00:22:42,191
and Jeremy Brennan's
depression and mental distress,
502
00:22:42,235 --> 00:22:44,933
well,
that doesn't prove causation.
503
00:22:44,977 --> 00:22:48,415
No one knows for sure
why Jeremy Brennan
504
00:22:48,459 --> 00:22:50,461
did what he did.
505
00:22:51,331 --> 00:22:55,291
You don't know why Mr. Brennan
did what he did, do you?
506
00:22:58,904 --> 00:23:00,340
The witness will answer
507
00:23:00,384 --> 00:23:02,124
the question, please.BENNY:
Oh, that's okay,
508
00:23:02,168 --> 00:23:04,126
Your Honor. [chuckles]
That's all right.
509
00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:06,520
I-I think the jury gets it.
510
00:23:06,564 --> 00:23:10,785
They know if the doctor, uh,
was certain about any of this,
511
00:23:10,829 --> 00:23:14,310
she would have absolutely had
Mr. Brennan hospitalized.
512
00:23:14,354 --> 00:23:16,356
A-And not just thought about it.
513
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,533
You know, like, done it.
Made it happen.
514
00:23:19,577 --> 00:23:22,797
But she wasn't certain.
515
00:23:22,841 --> 00:23:24,495
Were you?
516
00:23:25,496 --> 00:23:27,149
No.
517
00:23:27,193 --> 00:23:31,458
Okay, so, let's get back
to correlation and causation.
518
00:23:31,502 --> 00:23:33,982
To the best of your knowledge,
did my client
519
00:23:34,026 --> 00:23:37,595
tell Jeremy Brennan
to get on social media?
520
00:23:37,638 --> 00:23:39,597
No, not that I'm aware of.
521
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,294
And, for that matter,
did my client
522
00:23:41,337 --> 00:23:45,037
ever force Jeremy Brennan
to watch her TV show?
523
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,344
No, I-I can't imagine she did.
524
00:23:48,388 --> 00:23:50,869
I can't imagine that, either.
525
00:23:50,912 --> 00:23:52,740
Thank you.
526
00:23:52,784 --> 00:23:54,394
No further questions,
Your Honor.
527
00:23:54,438 --> 00:23:56,614
I need you to answer the door,
Marissa.
528
00:23:56,657 --> 00:23:58,485
What? Answer the door?
What are you talking about?
529
00:23:58,529 --> 00:23:59,834
What door?
530
00:23:59,878 --> 00:24:02,054
Answer the door, Marissa.
531
00:24:03,534 --> 00:24:05,013
Doubt has arrived.
532
00:24:10,671 --> 00:24:13,544
Morning. Um, any way
we could have a chat?
533
00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,023
Sure.
534
00:24:15,067 --> 00:24:17,025
What's up?
535
00:24:17,069 --> 00:24:19,680
Um, I need a favor.
536
00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:22,509
My father passed away
earlier this week.
537
00:24:22,553 --> 00:24:25,164
Oh, God, I...
Danny, I'm so sorry.
538
00:24:25,207 --> 00:24:27,079
Were you close?
539
00:24:27,122 --> 00:24:29,298
I barely knew him.
540
00:24:30,604 --> 00:24:34,347
Well, that's not true.
I knew him.
541
00:24:35,566 --> 00:24:37,350
And I loved him.
542
00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,657
But he left us--
uh, my mom and me--
543
00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:41,572
right before
I went into the police academy.
544
00:24:41,615 --> 00:24:45,227
No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh,
came home from school one day,
545
00:24:45,271 --> 00:24:47,752
and he was... he was gone.
546
00:24:47,795 --> 00:24:50,145
Took off with some woman.
547
00:24:51,495 --> 00:24:54,280
I haven't spoken to him
in 15 years.
548
00:24:54,323 --> 00:24:56,325
So the point is, um,
549
00:24:56,369 --> 00:24:59,285
I, uh, I hired a-a company
550
00:24:59,328 --> 00:25:01,766
to go into his apartment
and box up all his things.
551
00:25:01,809 --> 00:25:04,203
Get them out of there
so the, uh, the landlord
552
00:25:04,246 --> 00:25:05,770
can get the place ready
for a new tenant.
553
00:25:05,813 --> 00:25:07,380
Anyway,
554
00:25:07,423 --> 00:25:09,251
um, they just called,
555
00:25:09,295 --> 00:25:13,299
and apparently,
it's about 20-some boxes.
556
00:25:13,342 --> 00:25:15,867
And I just don't have
enough room
557
00:25:15,910 --> 00:25:18,870
for all that stuff
in my tiny apartment, so...
558
00:25:18,913 --> 00:25:21,742
Is there any way
that I could store them here,
559
00:25:21,786 --> 00:25:23,657
out of the way?
560
00:25:23,701 --> 00:25:25,659
[knock on door]
561
00:25:25,703 --> 00:25:28,444
MAN:
Judge is on his way out.We're coming.
562
00:25:28,488 --> 00:25:31,056
After the other side
questions me,
563
00:25:31,099 --> 00:25:33,754
you get to question me,
too, right?
564
00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:35,451
Yes. That's how it works.
565
00:25:35,495 --> 00:25:36,975
Okay. For your last question,
566
00:25:37,018 --> 00:25:40,021
just make sure you ask me
how I got into all of this.
567
00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:42,894
What makes me care so deeply
for victims of crime.
568
00:25:42,937 --> 00:25:47,420
What makes me care so deeply
for people like Kaylee.
569
00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:49,509
Hmm?
570
00:25:50,771 --> 00:25:52,251
[door opens]
571
00:25:52,294 --> 00:25:54,732
McBRIDE:
No evidence of forced entry.
572
00:25:54,775 --> 00:25:57,604
No real alibi
for the time period
573
00:25:57,648 --> 00:26:00,564
during which Kaylee was
sexually assaulted and murdered.
574
00:26:00,607 --> 00:26:03,523
I mean, he claimed
he went on a bike ride,
575
00:26:03,567 --> 00:26:05,438
but no one
actually saw him.
576
00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:07,440
[chuckles]:
So, he just seemed
577
00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:10,356
like someone that you would want
to get answers from.
578
00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:14,055
You know what they say
about walking like a duck.
579
00:26:14,099 --> 00:26:16,275
SULLIVAN:
Any more questions
580
00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:17,450
for this witness, Counselor?
581
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:20,279
Yes, Your Honor. Just one more.
582
00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:22,890
So,
583
00:26:22,934 --> 00:26:24,979
Ms. McBride,
584
00:26:25,023 --> 00:26:26,807
we've all
585
00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:28,417
seen you on television.
586
00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:31,203
We've all seen you in action.
587
00:26:31,246 --> 00:26:34,772
So, how did you come to this?
588
00:26:34,815 --> 00:26:38,819
How did you come to be
a champion of justice?
589
00:26:38,863 --> 00:26:42,562
A champion of victims
like Kaylee?
590
00:26:45,652 --> 00:26:48,612
Like a lot of things in life...
591
00:26:50,091 --> 00:26:52,441
...you never see it coming.
592
00:26:54,008 --> 00:26:55,270
20 years ago,
593
00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:57,925
I was married.
594
00:26:57,969 --> 00:27:00,449
I was living in Indiana.
595
00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:02,234
It was, like...
596
00:27:02,277 --> 00:27:06,455
nine or ten weeks after 9/11.
597
00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:09,154
It was Black Friday.
598
00:27:09,197 --> 00:27:11,678
I was doing my patriotic duty
599
00:27:11,722 --> 00:27:14,246
by getting some
early Christmas shopping done.
600
00:27:14,289 --> 00:27:16,814
And my three-year-old,
601
00:27:16,857 --> 00:27:19,555
David...
602
00:27:20,556 --> 00:27:23,342
He was at that in-between age.
603
00:27:23,385 --> 00:27:26,606
You know,
they want to be carried,
604
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:29,478
and, oh, no,
they want to walk on their own
605
00:27:29,522 --> 00:27:30,828
or they want to hold your hand.
606
00:27:30,871 --> 00:27:33,613
It's like, no, no,
they want to be free.
607
00:27:35,136 --> 00:27:37,922
Anyway, my husband
at the time
608
00:27:37,965 --> 00:27:40,533
was in some other part
of the mall.
609
00:27:40,576 --> 00:27:44,798
And I saw
out of the corner of my eye
610
00:27:44,842 --> 00:27:47,627
this robot pet
611
00:27:47,671 --> 00:27:50,891
that was so popular that year.
612
00:27:50,935 --> 00:27:54,199
I mean,
it was sold out everywhere.
613
00:27:54,242 --> 00:27:57,376
[chuckles softly]
And then there it was.
614
00:27:57,419 --> 00:28:02,033
Magically, right in front of me.
615
00:28:02,076 --> 00:28:04,992
So, I grabbed David's hand,
616
00:28:05,036 --> 00:28:07,995
and we walked over
to where they were.
617
00:28:09,693 --> 00:28:13,435
I remember that the aisle
618
00:28:13,479 --> 00:28:17,962
was so very crowded.
619
00:28:18,005 --> 00:28:21,269
People and shopping carts
620
00:28:21,313 --> 00:28:24,011
and winter clothes.
621
00:28:24,055 --> 00:28:25,404
[sniffles]
622
00:28:25,447 --> 00:28:28,407
[crying]:
It seems so stupid now.
623
00:28:30,801 --> 00:28:32,324
Anyway...
624
00:28:34,369 --> 00:28:36,023
I grabbed the toy,
625
00:28:36,067 --> 00:28:38,373
and then I realized that I...
626
00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:40,898
I didn't want David to see it.
627
00:28:40,941 --> 00:28:42,900
I didn't want him to know
628
00:28:42,943 --> 00:28:47,339
that Mommy was getting him
the toy and not Santa.
629
00:28:47,382 --> 00:28:50,995
So I switched hands
for a second.
630
00:28:51,038 --> 00:28:52,997
And...
631
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,303
And then I looked down.
632
00:29:00,831 --> 00:29:03,007
He wasn't there.
633
00:29:04,138 --> 00:29:07,098
You can figure out the rest.
634
00:29:07,141 --> 00:29:09,448
It was, like,
me, my husband,
635
00:29:09,491 --> 00:29:13,800
the police--
we were all over that mall
636
00:29:13,844 --> 00:29:16,455
until they locked the doors
637
00:29:16,498 --> 00:29:19,458
and made us leave.
638
00:29:22,548 --> 00:29:25,507
[crying]:
He was just...
639
00:29:26,987 --> 00:29:29,511
...gone.
640
00:29:30,338 --> 00:29:32,558
BENNY:
I'm so sorry.
641
00:29:33,341 --> 00:29:35,822
I was desperate,
642
00:29:35,866 --> 00:29:37,911
so...
643
00:29:37,955 --> 00:29:39,826
I went to the media.
644
00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:42,176
I didn't even know
what the media was.
645
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:44,439
But...
646
00:29:44,483 --> 00:29:48,052
I wanted David's picture
647
00:29:48,095 --> 00:29:51,707
and his name everywhere.
648
00:29:51,751 --> 00:29:56,495
You know, just in case
somebody saw him.
649
00:29:57,278 --> 00:30:01,239
And I-I wouldn't let up.
650
00:30:01,282 --> 00:30:04,155
Not even after my husband
651
00:30:04,198 --> 00:30:06,722
stopped speaking to me.
652
00:30:08,507 --> 00:30:11,162
Not even after he left me.
653
00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:12,990
But...
654
00:30:14,208 --> 00:30:15,470
[whimpers, sniffles]
655
00:30:15,514 --> 00:30:19,474
I just couldn't stop.
656
00:30:23,391 --> 00:30:25,611
My son's...
657
00:30:25,654 --> 00:30:30,007
body washed up
on the shore of the Patoka Lake
658
00:30:30,050 --> 00:30:32,139
a few weeks later.
659
00:30:32,183 --> 00:30:34,272
And...
660
00:30:34,315 --> 00:30:37,971
I guess everyone figured
661
00:30:38,015 --> 00:30:40,060
that was that.
662
00:30:43,063 --> 00:30:45,805
But not for me.
663
00:30:45,849 --> 00:30:49,722
I went everywhere
there was a microphone.
664
00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:52,377
Uh, radio stations.
665
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:53,726
Colleges.
666
00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:57,773
I just... I kept pushing
667
00:30:57,817 --> 00:31:01,560
because I wanted the scalp
668
00:31:01,603 --> 00:31:05,303
of the man who kidnapped
669
00:31:05,346 --> 00:31:08,436
my son and murdered him.
670
00:31:10,264 --> 00:31:12,049
And then, finally...
671
00:31:14,616 --> 00:31:16,880
I got it.
672
00:31:21,101 --> 00:31:22,929
The police found him.
673
00:31:22,973 --> 00:31:25,714
'Cause, you know,
they never dared stop looking
674
00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:29,457
'cause I was screaming
from the rooftops.
675
00:31:32,286 --> 00:31:35,028
I got justice.
676
00:31:39,337 --> 00:31:41,817
I speak for the dead.
677
00:31:43,558 --> 00:31:46,692
Like my son.
678
00:31:51,566 --> 00:31:53,960
And like Kaylee.
679
00:31:57,355 --> 00:31:58,965
Told you I knew
what I was doing.
680
00:31:59,009 --> 00:32:01,011
That was quite a piece
of testimony.
681
00:32:01,054 --> 00:32:02,795
Any of it true?
682
00:32:03,752 --> 00:32:05,972
Yeah, step on in.
Close the door?
683
00:32:09,019 --> 00:32:13,284
I'm here to inform you that WNN
is withdrawing from the case.
684
00:32:13,327 --> 00:32:14,894
Excuse me?
685
00:32:14,938 --> 00:32:16,765
Also that our lawyers are
on the phone with your lawyers
686
00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:17,897
negotiating the dissolution
687
00:32:17,941 --> 00:32:19,246
of your contract
with our network.
688
00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:21,640
As of now,
you are off the air, Madeline.
689
00:32:21,683 --> 00:32:23,859
What's going on?
690
00:32:23,903 --> 00:32:25,557
The man who killed Kaylee?
691
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,080
They caught him
about an hour ago.
692
00:32:27,124 --> 00:32:28,560
Confessed to everything.
693
00:32:28,603 --> 00:32:29,865
What are you talking about?
694
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:31,824
The man who killed Kaylee
was her stepfather.
695
00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:33,478
No, he wasn't.
696
00:32:33,521 --> 00:32:36,263
Look, the word is starting to
get out, and people are starting
697
00:32:36,307 --> 00:32:37,612
to gather
in front of the courthouse.
698
00:32:37,656 --> 00:32:38,962
They're looking for you.
699
00:32:39,005 --> 00:32:40,093
So I'd arrange for
some extra security
700
00:32:40,137 --> 00:32:43,009
to get her out
of here? Yeah?
701
00:32:51,278 --> 00:32:52,932
DANNY: The killer was a
man named Wayne Dixon.
702
00:32:52,976 --> 00:32:54,238
He was working
a construction job
703
00:32:54,281 --> 00:32:56,240
down the street
from the Brennan home.
704
00:32:56,283 --> 00:32:59,983
Dixon had apparently targeted
Kaylee a few weeks earlier.
705
00:33:00,026 --> 00:33:01,288
He was watching
the house
706
00:33:01,332 --> 00:33:03,073
and saw Jeremy ride
away on his bike.
707
00:33:03,116 --> 00:33:04,813
Dixon claims he
approached the house,
708
00:33:04,857 --> 00:33:06,641
said he was a friend
of Kaylee's dad,
709
00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:08,817
and she let him in,
710
00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:11,646
which is why there is
no evidence of forced entry.
711
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:14,040
Is there anything in there
712
00:33:14,084 --> 00:33:15,824
about how the police knew
713
00:33:15,868 --> 00:33:17,304
to question Dixon
in the first place?
714
00:33:17,348 --> 00:33:19,176
How did he come
to their attention?
715
00:33:19,219 --> 00:33:21,830
Well, according to this,
they got a tip.
716
00:33:21,874 --> 00:33:24,442
Dixon's girlfriend. Why?
717
00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:26,531
We're in court at 11:00.
718
00:33:26,574 --> 00:33:29,186
See if you can find
the girlfriend.
719
00:33:29,229 --> 00:33:31,536
See if you can get her
on the phone with me.
720
00:33:31,579 --> 00:33:34,191
Ms. James, stacked all
the boxes downstairs
721
00:33:34,234 --> 00:33:35,540
in that courtroom
like you told me.
722
00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:37,411
[exhales] Thanks so much
for all your help.
723
00:33:37,455 --> 00:33:39,457
And I almost forgot.
The person who helped pack up
724
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,242
your dad's things wanted me
to give you this.
725
00:33:42,286 --> 00:33:43,417
Thanks.
726
00:33:43,461 --> 00:33:45,506
Have a great day.
727
00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:48,814
BENNY:
Good morning, Ms. Cowley.
728
00:33:48,857 --> 00:33:52,948
Now, could you please
tell the court what it was
729
00:33:52,992 --> 00:33:54,211
that prompted you
to call the police
730
00:33:54,254 --> 00:33:55,908
on your boyfriend
Wayne Dixon?
731
00:33:55,951 --> 00:33:57,431
Uh, yeah, I-I don't know.
732
00:33:57,475 --> 00:34:01,218
Um, Wayne was working
construction in Westchester,
733
00:34:01,261 --> 00:34:04,047
and, uh, since he started,
734
00:34:04,090 --> 00:34:06,875
he just seemed different,
distant,
735
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:08,747
you know,
like he was preoccupied
736
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:11,010
with something or-or someone.
737
00:34:11,054 --> 00:34:13,447
And then,
a few nights later,
738
00:34:13,491 --> 00:34:17,234
I found him out back,
burning his clothes.
739
00:34:17,277 --> 00:34:20,498
I mean,
why would you burn your clothes?
740
00:34:20,541 --> 00:34:24,284
He said he got some type of
toxic chemical on them at work.
741
00:34:24,328 --> 00:34:28,114
But he does framing
and drywall. I-I don't know.
742
00:34:28,158 --> 00:34:30,377
It just... it didn't seem right
to me.
743
00:34:30,421 --> 00:34:32,727
Now, is that when
you phoned the police?
744
00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:36,122
Uh, no, no, not yet.
745
00:34:36,166 --> 00:34:41,214
Um, what really got me thinking
was, all of a sudden,
746
00:34:41,258 --> 00:34:43,782
he wanted to start watching
Madeline McBride's show
747
00:34:43,825 --> 00:34:45,088
with me all of a sudden.
748
00:34:45,131 --> 00:34:47,612
Like, he never wanted
to watch that show before.
749
00:34:47,655 --> 00:34:50,745
He did not like her.
750
00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:52,225
No offense.
751
00:34:52,269 --> 00:34:54,967
I'm sorry. I-I love you,
and I love your show so much.
752
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:56,664
BULL:
Go,
753
00:34:56,708 --> 00:34:58,144
Quasimodo.Um...
754
00:34:58,188 --> 00:35:01,016
So, anyway, he started
watching it with me.
755
00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:03,410
And whenever
she'd bring up the case,
756
00:35:03,454 --> 00:35:07,022
he'd always say how he was
working in that neighborhood
757
00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:10,722
and he knew the house that
she was talking about, and...
758
00:35:10,765 --> 00:35:13,333
BENNY:And did you know
your boyfriend was interested
759
00:35:13,377 --> 00:35:15,640
in prepubescent girls?
760
00:35:15,683 --> 00:35:18,208
[voice breaking]:
I don't know.
761
00:35:19,557 --> 00:35:21,820
We never talked about it.
762
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:29,175
But... whenever we were
at the beach or at the park...
763
00:35:29,219 --> 00:35:31,046
[sniffles]
764
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:33,571
...I thought
I always saw him looking.
765
00:35:35,573 --> 00:35:38,750
Then I thought
maybe it was just in my mind.
766
00:35:39,881 --> 00:35:42,145
And what did you tell the police
when you called them?
767
00:35:42,188 --> 00:35:43,972
I knew from her show
768
00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:47,498
that Kaylee had DNA on her
that hadn't been identified.
769
00:35:47,541 --> 00:35:51,284
So, I called them,
and I offered Wayne's hairbrush.
770
00:35:51,328 --> 00:35:53,808
And how did you know to do that?
771
00:35:53,852 --> 00:35:55,288
From her show.
772
00:35:55,332 --> 00:35:58,204
She talked about how DNA
from a hairbrush caught a killer
773
00:35:58,248 --> 00:36:01,120
she was profiling
a couple years back.
774
00:36:01,947 --> 00:36:06,299
Well, it's lucky
you watched her show.
775
00:36:06,343 --> 00:36:07,866
Did you know that tips
776
00:36:07,909 --> 00:36:10,999
from Ms. McBride's viewers
have helped
777
00:36:11,043 --> 00:36:13,741
in solving
over one hundred cases
778
00:36:13,785 --> 00:36:16,135
since the show first aired?
779
00:36:16,179 --> 00:36:18,224
No.
780
00:36:18,268 --> 00:36:20,400
I just think she's really smart
781
00:36:20,444 --> 00:36:22,620
and cool.
782
00:36:22,663 --> 00:36:26,058
Just really good at her job.
783
00:36:26,885 --> 00:36:27,712
[quietly]:
Sanctuary.
784
00:36:29,757 --> 00:36:32,020
[sighs]
785
00:36:44,555 --> 00:36:49,647
"Dear Danny James, you don't
know me, but my name is Devon.
786
00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:52,998
"Some years ago,
I got to know your father.
787
00:36:53,041 --> 00:36:56,001
"We met and fell
in love in New York,
788
00:36:56,044 --> 00:36:58,438
"and eventually,
I convinced him
789
00:36:58,482 --> 00:37:02,529
"to come live with me
in Louisiana where I'm from.
790
00:37:02,573 --> 00:37:07,055
"I did not know at the time
about you or your mother.
791
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:11,712
"Three months after we settled
down in Louisiana,
792
00:37:11,756 --> 00:37:15,150
"your father confessed to me
about the family he had left.
793
00:37:15,194 --> 00:37:18,153
"Told me that he could no longer bear the guilt
794
00:37:18,197 --> 00:37:20,895
"and needed to go back to you.
795
00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:24,421
"I did not stand in his way.
796
00:37:24,464 --> 00:37:27,119
"He told me
when he got to New York,
797
00:37:27,162 --> 00:37:29,339
"your mother refused
to speak to him.
798
00:37:29,382 --> 00:37:32,037
"Warned him that if he
tried to make contact with you
799
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,431
"that she would kill him.
800
00:37:36,433 --> 00:37:38,696
"He told me he found
a small apartment
801
00:37:38,739 --> 00:37:41,046
"and got a job working
teaching physical education
802
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:42,917
"at an art school.
803
00:37:42,961 --> 00:37:46,094
"Even taught himself to sketch.
804
00:37:46,138 --> 00:37:49,533
"Over the years he tried
to build up the courage
805
00:37:49,576 --> 00:37:51,578
"to reach out to you,
806
00:37:51,622 --> 00:37:54,059
"but he told me he was
so filled with guilt
807
00:37:54,102 --> 00:37:56,540
"and shame for leaving you,
808
00:37:56,583 --> 00:37:58,324
"he just couldn't do it.
809
00:37:58,368 --> 00:38:03,068
"And then one day,
he was looking out his window,
810
00:38:03,111 --> 00:38:04,591
"and there you were.
811
00:38:04,635 --> 00:38:06,114
"Walking by.
812
00:38:06,158 --> 00:38:07,333
"He figured you were probably
making your way home
813
00:38:07,377 --> 00:38:09,161
"from the police academy.
814
00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:13,034
"He said he saw you maybe ten
or 20 times from that window,
815
00:38:13,078 --> 00:38:14,819
"but then, no more.
816
00:38:16,211 --> 00:38:18,953
"I didn't hear from your father again for many years.
817
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:22,217
"And then about three weeks ago, he called
818
00:38:22,261 --> 00:38:24,611
"to tell me he was very sick.
819
00:38:24,655 --> 00:38:27,440
"I flew to New York,
but by the time
820
00:38:27,484 --> 00:38:29,486
"I got there he was already
in the hospital.
821
00:38:29,529 --> 00:38:34,621
So I'm writing to let you
know what he told me.
822
00:38:34,665 --> 00:38:38,277
"That he wanted you to know
he was terribly sorry.
823
00:38:39,191 --> 00:38:41,149
"And he wanted you to know
824
00:38:41,193 --> 00:38:43,369
he loved you."
825
00:38:51,334 --> 00:38:53,336
[sniffles]
826
00:38:53,379 --> 00:38:57,122
BENNY:
Jeremy Brennan's suicide is
827
00:38:57,165 --> 00:38:59,603
undeniably tragic.
828
00:38:59,646 --> 00:39:02,562
And no one will ever
know with certainty
829
00:39:02,606 --> 00:39:05,522
why he decided
to take his own life.
830
00:39:06,914 --> 00:39:09,700
But you know what we do know
with certainty?
831
00:39:10,265 --> 00:39:12,964
That Kaylee's killer was caught.
832
00:39:13,007 --> 00:39:15,967
And that's,
at least in part, due
833
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:18,186
to Madeline McBride...
834
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:21,364
for keeping
Kaylee's story alive.
835
00:39:22,321 --> 00:39:25,629
But she was only able to do it
836
00:39:25,672 --> 00:39:29,502
because her freedom of speech
allowed her to do it.
837
00:39:29,546 --> 00:39:32,113
See, that's the tricky thing
about freedom of speech.
838
00:39:32,157 --> 00:39:33,941
It-it cuts both ways.
839
00:39:33,985 --> 00:39:36,857
See, people have the freedom
840
00:39:36,901 --> 00:39:40,165
to say whatever it is
they want to say.
841
00:39:40,208 --> 00:39:43,081
And everyone else has
the freedom, uh,
842
00:39:43,124 --> 00:39:45,692
not to listen, not to believe
843
00:39:45,736 --> 00:39:47,477
and to do their own research
844
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,827
and come up
with their own conclusions.
845
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:52,046
I mean, that's
what Carla Cowley did.
846
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,483
You heard her.
847
00:39:53,526 --> 00:39:55,572
She loved that woman.
848
00:39:55,615 --> 00:39:58,052
But she did not
let the fact
849
00:39:58,096 --> 00:40:00,359
that for over
a month, she heard
850
00:40:00,403 --> 00:40:03,884
Madeline McBride,
who thought that Jeremy Brennan
851
00:40:03,928 --> 00:40:05,320
probably committed the murder,
852
00:40:05,364 --> 00:40:07,279
stop her from picking up
the phone
853
00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:09,847
and calling the police
when she was convinced
854
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:12,502
my client was mistaken.
855
00:40:12,545 --> 00:40:14,460
Look, I...
856
00:40:14,504 --> 00:40:16,201
I get it.
857
00:40:16,244 --> 00:40:18,464
Okay? I get it.
She was...
858
00:40:18,508 --> 00:40:19,857
she was wrong.
859
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:21,206
Wrong on the facts.
860
00:40:21,249 --> 00:40:22,990
Unnecessarily harsh.
861
00:40:23,034 --> 00:40:25,036
And there were times
I felt that she took
862
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:27,168
way too much pleasure
863
00:40:27,212 --> 00:40:30,476
in her ongoing campaign
against Jeremy Brennan.
864
00:40:31,695 --> 00:40:33,305
But you know what?
865
00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:36,526
That is not against the law.
866
00:40:36,569 --> 00:40:39,050
And the problem is...
867
00:40:39,093 --> 00:40:41,182
if you don't stand up
868
00:40:41,226 --> 00:40:44,229
for the people you don't
necessarily agree with
869
00:40:44,272 --> 00:40:46,361
when someone is trying
to silence them,
870
00:40:46,405 --> 00:40:50,017
then there might not be
the right to free speech left
871
00:40:50,061 --> 00:40:53,673
when they go after the people
you doagree with.
872
00:40:53,717 --> 00:40:56,850
WOMAN:
In the matter
ofTracy Brennan v.
873
00:40:56,894 --> 00:40:58,722
Madeline McBrideand the claim
874
00:40:58,765 --> 00:41:01,376
of intentional infliction
of emotional distress...
875
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:04,336
we, the jury,
find Madeline McBride
876
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,120
liable.[Tracy gasping]
877
00:41:08,166 --> 00:41:10,516
And we award
Tracy Brennan damages
878
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,606
in the amount of two
and one half million dollars.
879
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:16,914
SULLIVAN: Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
880
00:41:16,957 --> 00:41:18,785
thank you for
your service.
881
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:21,309
Court is adjourned.
882
00:41:24,312 --> 00:41:27,272
Ms. McBride.
I'm very sorry.
883
00:41:27,315 --> 00:41:30,231
Don't be, you
did your best.
884
00:41:32,973 --> 00:41:34,540
But you lost your job.
885
00:41:34,584 --> 00:41:36,455
You're about to get
a boatload of bad publicity.
886
00:41:36,499 --> 00:41:39,023
And today is gonna cost you
two and a half million dollars.
887
00:41:39,066 --> 00:41:41,112
Help me understand.
888
00:41:41,155 --> 00:41:43,201
You seem to have made your peace
889
00:41:43,244 --> 00:41:45,464
with this rather quickly.
890
00:41:45,508 --> 00:41:47,684
Well, two and a half million?
891
00:41:47,727 --> 00:41:51,165
That's why God created
personal liability insurance.
892
00:41:51,209 --> 00:41:54,560
And the boatload of publicity?
893
00:41:54,604 --> 00:41:56,475
I love it.
894
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,042
Good or bad,
895
00:41:58,085 --> 00:41:59,783
it keeps me in the zeitgeist.
896
00:41:59,826 --> 00:42:02,481
And it will come in handy
897
00:42:02,525 --> 00:42:05,223
when I sit down
to cut my new deal.
898
00:42:05,266 --> 00:42:07,660
A new deal?
899
00:42:10,184 --> 00:42:12,535
See, people like me?
900
00:42:12,578 --> 00:42:14,754
People who have
the courage to say
901
00:42:14,798 --> 00:42:18,149
what everyone else is thinking
even if we're wrong?
902
00:42:18,192 --> 00:42:21,848
We always draw a big crowd.
903
00:42:21,892 --> 00:42:24,068
[laughs] And trust me,
904
00:42:24,111 --> 00:42:26,418
after today...
905
00:42:26,461 --> 00:42:28,899
the crowd will only
be bigger, huh?
906
00:42:28,942 --> 00:42:31,423
Thank you, gentlemen.
907
00:42:31,466 --> 00:42:32,816
Don't forget
to send me your bill.
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