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Tony Prince here on KNGY Radio.

The prettiest face in radio, they call me.

The mouthpiece of the average Joe.

We're going to be with you for the next couple of hours or so.

I want to talk about meat today. Get to the meat of the matter, so to speak. I

love animals, but I love eating them even more, I think. But, you know, if it

lives and breathes, I kind of want to taste it.

It's kind of strange. It seems sort of arbitrary what we...

we think is appropriate to eat and what's not appropriate to eat.

Like we can kill a cow or slaughter a pig, that's no problem, but for some

reason it's unacceptable to curl up in front of the television with a little

on your plate.

I wonder why that is.

So, you know, you want to surprise your victim too, right?

Because if they have time to get to know what's coming, they panic, the

adrenaline starts going, and it just totally paints the meat.

Yeah, you can taste it.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, ideally what you want is, you know, to keep them around, keep them

for three or four days, just feed them water. It really flushes out the system.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'd do it if I could, if I had, like, the setup down here, but I don't really

have the setup.

This actually is a lot easier, too.

Okay.

Just going to get it closed off now.

So are you guys recording this right now?

No, no, no, no.

Well,

why is that red light flashing on the camera there?

Is this a new camera or something?

Yeah, brand new.

So how's this all going to work then?

Are you supposed to ask me questions?

Do you want me to acknowledge that you're in the car with me?

I would say not. I would say to pretend like we're not here really is probably

the best thing.

Or you can be yourself.

Or you can look right into the camera and pretend the camera is another

Anything you want to say, any viewpoints you might have that you want to get

across to the world.

Just don't ham it up. Don't be on.

Don't try to be too dull either.

Kind of walk that line.

Do whatever you want to do.

So, I guess, Anthony, maybe you want to tell us a little bit about the process?

Yeah, well, that's the whole thing. We're kind of looking for a certain kind

woman tonight because I wanted to make some stew, some long pig stew.

It's only human beings that are so arrogant so as to believe that they're

than every other kind of animal out there.

I mean, a worm, you know, worms don't think about, oh, my God, why did my

mother...

You know, mama worm, like, get eaten by the fish.

You know? The fish eats the worm, and that's that. It's completely accepted by

the worm.

And the fish. And the small fish gets eaten by, like, the big fish.

And if it was so wrong to eat it, then why would it taste so good?

I'm kind of looking for, like, some marbled meat. You know what I mean?

Something nice and juicy.

Yuck.

No, thanks. No, sorry.

Way too stringy, mama.

You're pretty particular then, I guess.

Yeah, well, it depends on what I want to make.

Like what I'm making and, you know.

She's cute, but I like to match up body type with the kind of meat that I want.

Oh, there's this one, though.

She's way more. That's perfect.

Yeah.

Let's turn around here.

That's good. People who eat stew.

make perfect stew.

See, that's the thing. You probably, I mean, it sounds obvious, and yet it's

true. Sign of health, too.

Hey, how you doing?

Hey. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, sorry. I'm just making a little documentary. Yeah,

don't pay attention. They're like students. Is this thing going to be on

Well, we're hoping, actually, for a theatrical release, ultimately, but, you

know, it's just... All that matters is it's not a porno or anything. And I'm

going to need $100.

Fair enough. Uh,

no.

I thought this was kind of your treat.

Yeah, why don't you come on in? We'll figure it out later.

Hi.

Now, you've probably heard the recent rash of prostitutes going missing.

I hear these left -wing groups are saying, if one of these girls was the

daughter, the National Guard would be locking down the city. Look, folks, the

mayor's daughter is not a prostitute. And what do I call you?

Uh, Anthony?

Anthony? Yeah, that's my name.

Mr. Cutie?

That works too, sure.

What's your name?

My name's Chris, but you can just pretend like I'm not here.

With a big -ass camera in my face.

I don't feel uncomfortable, but... I'm just going to bring you around the back

here, the back of the house. You don't mind, eh? I wouldn't have it any other

way. I don't really care what other people think, but I just rather them not

too nosy, you know?

I'm not. I'm sympathetic to the situation.

I'm just saying it's not that rare for something to happen to a prostitute.

I know it sounds cruel, and I'm just telling it like it is.

So you know what there, guys? I'm just going to sneak around here to get a

better shot.

Okay. So there you go. Just basically go in just like we're not even here. It's

nice and natural.

Go look at the camera.

Is that all right?

Yeah, sure. Go on in.

Okay, my mother's upstairs, though, so we'll have to, like, keep it down a bit.

Wait, we're going down here, Lucy.

The basement?

Yeah. It's all right. We've got a nice little setup down here.

Yeah, go ahead in. Just make yourself comfortable. I'll be a second.

I'm just going to get around to him, take a deep shot of you.

So, I don't know, maybe you want to tell us how long you've been a, or rather

how long you've been, I think what Chris is trying to ask is how long you've

been in the business.

In the business? Yeah.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh my God. That did it.

Whoa.

Are you okay?

Yeah.

I had a feeling one of you guys were going to have a little accident.

Oh, yeah, there's got to be, in North America, there's got to be, I don't know

if I've looked at the recent stats, but 200, 100 active, at least 100 active

serial killers in North America right now. Okay,

I've got to work. Do you want to get around there?

I've got to get over here.

You know, you even take police officers or paramedics or firefighters.

You know, all of us deal with death.

on a regular basis. I've seen some terrible, terrible things in my career

police officer.

You know, just crime scenes that are just unbelievable and even car accidents

are unbelievable.

So dealing with death on a regular basis occurs.

And for us, we can't become attached to each individual thing. If I in any way

had become attached to every single person who I've seen die, I'd be a

keeper.

Okay. Can I get her clothes off now?

Okay.

Okay.

You know, I think, number one, if you're dealing with a sexual predator, the

first thing you have to realize is, and you guys are going to be editing this, I

take it, the first thing you have to realize is that they're fucking, they're

just not wired right. Their brains are just not wired right. Is there any

aspect of this for you, or?

Oh, no, no way.

I mean, does this look sexual, really, to you?

Yeah, well, kind of. Well, not.

I mean, you know, I'm not a freak or anything like that.

Most adults who have this kind of antisocial or violent behavior,

you will, psychopaths, it is most definitely traced back to some form of

in their childhood.

More often than not, it's of a sexual nature.

Yeah, this is all culinary, man. This is very, you know, it's hard work. You've

seen this already, right?

Probably easier.

Do you enjoy it, though?

You know, you take pleasure in your work, I guess.

But it's about the end result. It's not this part, right?

Like, this is all kind of hackle as far as I'm concerned.

Right.

It's okay over here? Yep.

Keep going.

I just think of the end result, you know?

You guys are going to get a nice stew out of this.

Hang up. Just want to get the drip pan underneath her.

Lucy,

we hardly knew you. Okay.

First, you just want to cut the corroded artery.

I don't really think I've ever dealt

with what you would typically call a serial killer.

People commit these atrocious crimes.

Because they want to be recognized.

They don't want to be caught, but they want to be seen.

They also want to get into a dialogue with a greater authority.

So outsmarting the police, outsmarting the media, it's going to give this kind

of personality, this narcissistic personality, a huge boost to their ego.

I've never seen anybody faint like that in real life before.

Me neither.

Okay. So you're going to be back there the whole time?

Yeah. There's probably some good shots. Like, if you got it in close, too, I was

thinking.

Probably best to keep it back here. Yeah.

Keep that camera thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm not trying to tell

you how to do your job.

Right.

You know what they say, every cannibal wants to be a director, right?

And I'm just, like, looking into the camera, right?

Yeah, you can just... Anytime?

Yeah, sure. Okay.

Don't let me interrupt you.

Okay. Well...

As you can see, I guess any hunter would recognize this position. We've got the

corpse hanging from the ankles.

Some people refer to it as the Gein configuration.

Well, Ed Gein we know because he's become immortalized.

Leatherface, Norman Bates, Buffalo Bill.

And yet, who is he? He's socially inept, lonely, one

could say pathetic.

Man. You know what? There's no sympathy for some scrote who sits there and

rips a body apart.

I've got no sympathy for them.

All right.

So the first thing I want to do is I'm going to make a little incision here,

I'm going to tie off the anus.

All right? That's just to stop contamination from the feces.

I mean, you would do that whether it was a deer carcass or a cow or a person.

Obviously, right if you could have seen the like the first time I did this like

it was it was pretty ugly just like hacking away and Going by feel here

as you can see It's pretty bloody.

Oh There we go It's a little slippery, but

There you just want to give yourself enough

room obviously to be able to tie it off

It's absolutely necessary, too, for health reasons.

That's nice and tight. Now we've got that tied off. I'm just going to make an

incision across her abdomen.

Oh, okay. Well,

the idea is just between the ribs and the pelvis.

Do you keep yourself?

Yeah, essentially.

I mean, you know.

There's no learning annex courses for this kind of thing, I suppose, right?

you look at our methods over time of how we are dealing with our social

aberrance, it's always been in a cruel, barbaric manner. Saying that these

people should be locked up or done away with, I mean, we've been hearing that

for centuries now, and it did not solve the problem.

Bedlam did not solve the problem.

Lobotomization did not solve the problem.

Electroshock therapy is not solving the problem.

So certainly, to write these people off, or to ignore their behavior or think

that it's going to go away if we kill them. This is not going to help. It is

absolutely our duty as individuals and as a society to understand these people

and try to help them, as difficult as that might seem. You know, I leave it to

the liberal...

side of our society to be the warm and fuzzy. I'm more the reality.

And I think if you guys could see one body that's been ripped apart, you see

that and you quickly become desensitized to offering any level of compassion to

the perpetrator.

And that's about it.

Now, you know, I probably just want to clean it out a little bit.

Let's move on. You can't justify. You can't even make sense out of it.

You know, like you could sit here and say, well, you know, why are they doing

it? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you say.

They just have to be screwed in the head. You know, just separate the tooth

the tendons.

If you hit a snag, just work through it.

Go slow.

Okay. See that?

And that's just a perfect little portion.

All right?

Let's go.

I'm hungry.

Voila.

Bravo, bravo.

Perfect. All right.

Ben, I can hardly wait for this right now.

Whoa.

This is so good.

I hope someone out there tries it. I don't think it's any politically

I don't think it's that anybody cares any less.

Prostitute chooses this line of work.

And that's why people are not surprised. So don't confuse not surprised with not

interested and not caring. The social life of a serial killer?

Well, if you want to look at case studies, often these people are loners,

typically. But sometimes they may be surrounded by a small group of friends.

You know, who's the kind of person who would have a serial killer as a friend?

You know, it's just a beer league.

It's the way to blow off some steam, you know, a bunch of regular guys out

there. No one's really good. Some guys think they're in the NHL, but... Me?

I'm pretty good. I hold my own.

You know.

I mean, I wouldn't want to fuck around with me out there, that's for sure.

Hey.

What the hell are you doing, man?

Yeah,

pressing the button helped.

You all right there? There's a belt there, right? Yeah, there's a belt. I'm

going to put it on for you.

As long as these wires don't touch that. All right.

We're kind of wrapped around it right now.

So, uh, check, check.

Play some hockey.

Come on, kick his ass.

Come on!

I'll see you next

week, buddy.

Friends of serial killers, they're going to be people who are very easily

influenced, often simple -minded, and who the serial killer can keep under

thumb.

It can happen that these people will inadvertently be drawn into the

of said serial killers and unwittingly will become accomplices in their crimes.

I'm going to have some nice ribs on this baby.

Whoa.

Like that?

I fucking love barbecue.

It's the only way to cook, man.

Yeah. It's just, uh, there's no animal byproducts in it or anything. That's

you're worried about.

That sizzle, man. That says it all.

One day I'm gonna write, like, a cookbook.

Yeah, you know, if I ever get busted or something like that, if I ever end up in

jail, like, you know, everyone writes about their crimes anyway, right?

I'm just gonna write, like, a cookbook.

Yeah, exactly.

That's a really good idea. Could you not see it becoming like a cult, sort of

classic, you know?

Right, man?

When I have a restaurant, if I ever got a restaurant, man, that's my maitre d'

right there.

Imagine him at the door when you walk in.

Try the ribs.

Oh, man.

Nothing beats barbecue, man.

Nothing beats barbequa.

Barbequa is the Caribbean name that they gave for the grill that they used in

cannibalistic rituals.

Whoa!

Yep. It has a rich history, man, this whole thing.

A rich and wonderful history.

Go for it.

How is it?

I don't know.

That looks juicy.

I have a pretty good butcher, right?

Somebody did those up nicely for me?

Yep.

So I'm cutting up for two, I guess, eh?

All right, John.

Come on, get it, man.

Oh, man, you guys are losers.

Try a little piece. I don't even fucking... No, I can't. Just a little

I can't. No, but it's just, like, really small.

I can't, I really can't. But this is dead anyways.

That's what I don't fucking understand. It's dead anyways. One animal's as good

as the next, man. Yeah, it's fucking dead. Who cares?

Plants are alive. We eat plants.

Broccoli has feelings, man. Did you know that? They feel pain.

Yeah. Well, there is no serial killer gene that predetermines this kind of

behavior. I mean, at least nobody has discovered it yet.

It may not be the case all of the time, but, you know, people who have these

disrupted personalities have endured a kind of horrific abuse.

Often there is a monster standing behind that closet door, and that monster is

mommy or daddy.

And I just want to ask you a couple questions.

Because you're my mom.

No, they're really nice guys.

They've been really nice guys so far.

Yeah, I don't think she liked it very much at first.

Hey, Gordy.

She likes it now, though. I think she's gotten used to it.

It's like the social side of things, too, especially.

It's her playing the piano. They're not.

Keeping you prisoner.

That makes me feel really bad when you say that.

Because it's for your own good.

No, I'll be there with you the whole time.

I love you too.

Bye -bye.

Okay, so, set to go then?

Yeah, basically.

This one thing you guys should know, my mom, Alzheimer's.

Oh, okay, yeah.

So... Well, we can, you know... We'll be sensitive to that, obviously. Yeah,

yeah.

She loves the movies, though. Yeah. She always loved movies, and I'm sure once

she sees the camera, she'll warm up to you guys.

Sometimes you get the most interesting answers out of people with...

Alzheimer's? Well, I was going to say disorders of some kind.

Well... At least they can be honest, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, if

she starts to, like, you know, have some discretion, like if she starts to...

I don't really want her to be shot while she's six or anything. She starts

talking weird. I don't know. We'll be fine.

I know how to deal with these kind of people.

Don't let them take me! No one's here, Mom.

I did it for you!

Listen to me.

Don't let them take me! Look at me. Look at me.

There you go. Get the hell out. Get the hell out.

Easy.

No, not really.

Have you talked to her about organ

donation? No. No. This just doesn't get any easier.

It's not a good time to have this conversation.

No.

some brain tissue for research would really help us answer some questions

a disease we really don't know anything about at this stage. Knowing the precise

cause of illness sort of helps them just close that chapter in their lives and

move on, you know?

Well, I guess I could, well, I could talk to her about it, I guess, yeah.

it's all right. Yeah, good.

Are you doing okay?

Yeah. Yeah.

Good. Good. Good talking to you. Okay. Thanks.

You guys have been following this little scandal down at City Hall. You've heard

of Simon Sullivan. He's the third -generation millionaire. He's a spoiled

is what he is, really.

It's the kind of thing that most people brush right over it. It's no big deal.

But, folks, this is our money.

You are giving your money so that some rich brat can make fancy backroom deals

with his friends. We should be pissed about this. This is the kind of thing

society needs to stop and get behind and get pissed off and do something.

Who's there?

Come on, let's go, let's go.

What are you doing? What are you doing? This is disgusting.

Do you have time to smoke anyway? Is that what I'm paying you for? We put it

the flower pot. That's nice. That's really nice.

I was just leaving, so I figured I was going to, you know. You were leaving,

you're still here. You're still on the clock. I'm paying you to smoke a

cigarette. I don't think that's right now, is it? I think I was going to close

tonight. Yeah, I was going to. Just to give John a break. Yeah, I was going to

be the manager tonight. I was going to make decisions.

I know what you're trying to do with the overtime, trying to milk the house

behind my back. Do you think I'm not aware of that? Okay. This is not going

happen tonight.

I know one cigarette.

Understood?

Okay. You know, the only thing was, man, the guy would never talk to me like

that.

Never talk to me like that if you just bumped into me on the street, man. It's

because of this fucking jacket.

Hey, don't look down, man. Here comes your buddy.

Nailed it, guys.

Guy says one word to me, and I swear to God, I'm going to take him down. That's

it. No, no, last time he was a fucking bitch, man.

Hey, what the fuck? The camera. What the fuck are you doing here? I don't give a

shit who you are. You stay the fuck away from my car, you hear me? Absolutely.

Hello?

Stay away from my fucking car. Fuck, you know, I just fucking froze. I just

froze, right?

What the fuck are you going to do about it, huh? I'll take care of it. I'll park

it. I'll put it in the owner's private spot, okay? John, right? You do that. I

can't, like... That guy just better pray our paths never cross again. I swear to

God, man, because I would be the absolute worst person for him to meet in

alley. I guarantee there would only be one of us walking out of there, man.

Guys.

Hey, you guys see that guy?

Want to know where he lives?

How about 158 Tall Cedar Drive?

You guys up for a field trip tomorrow?

Yeah. I'm going to take him down.

I'm going to take him fucking down.

Whoa, easy there, cowboy.

You're going to take down Sullivan?

Yeah. Listen, you're you, right? You get angry at people all the time. I can

just let it slide off me.

I don't know, maybe you can learn something from that. I don't know how

you do it, man.

I don't know. I just know bad things are going to happen to people who act like

assholes. I know that.

Okay, let's go. Let's go.

Okay, one of you guys, take the head.

Forget about the program.

Fuck that.

All right, turn him over.

Okay.

Got it.

Where's the gun, Nathan?

Under the armpit.

Okay, that's it.

Head first.

Come on.

Chris, don't shoot, man. You're going to leave your DNA everywhere.

Not again.

All right.

Take it in. Get in. Get in.

You all right?

I think so.

Everything's cool.

I can't deserve what this place is.

Perfect.

Say goodbye, Simon. You won't be seeing this place no more.

And now we're learning a little more about the connections he may have had,

people he might have hung around with, and it's starting to appear like a

professional mob hit.

If this guy was kind of a slimy frat boy type that we think he is, maybe he had

it coming.

I'm not condoning any of this. I'm just saying, again, look, folks, you know,

you hang around with the wrong people, these are the kind of things that are

going to happen.

Shit, look at that.

I can't even press it in with my hand.

It's flat.

What do you mean it's flat?

It's flat.

The tire, it needs air. There's no air in it. It's flat.

Well, I got a cell phone. Why don't you call AAA?

I don't have AAA.

Do you?

Chris, you got AAA?

All right.

I think there's a store or a gas station a little up ahead.

I guess we're just going to have to make a run for that. I don't see as we have

any other option.

I mean, we can't call a tow truck, even if we wanted to.

There's a dead body in the trunk, for God's sakes.

Well, I don't know, man.

I'm open to suggestions here.

Why don't we try that farm?

I don't know nothing about no farming.

Are you going to talk to them? I don't want to talk to them. I'll talk to them.

I'm sure they're cool.

I'd rather get rid of this problem first before we start talking to people.

Let's just try it.

All right, to the farm.

Farmers always got extra stuff actually.

Pretty good idea.

Maybe if you knock on the house or something. Oh, there's somebody.

Hey,

how you doing? Hi.

Not bad, guys.

Sorry to bother you.

My name's Nathan.

This is Anthony.

Hi, how are you? This is our friend Chris.

Hi, how you doing? We were just doing a little documentary and we were tired. We

didn't have a phone.

No problem.

I got a tire in the barn. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah.

I can help you out. Sure, let's go. That'd be great.

What kind of farm is this, anyway?

It's a pig farm.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Wow.

Wow.

So you actually slaughter pigs here, too?

Yeah.

We can hear him in there.

Yeah, can we have a tour of it?

Yeah, if you want.

Oh, yeah, that would be awesome.

Want to follow me? Yeah, let's go.

They are four days old.

One is yellow, one is white.

They're brother and sister.

Are they?

Freaking out.

i put it 15 weeks together in the one pan and that's the way you leave it

till they go to market you cannot say no i want to put this bunch in this bunch

together yeah yeah they kill each other really yeah oh yeah are they all males

like it doesn't matter man oh really they all fix i castrate them all okay

they gotta be fixed because if you not castrate them The government or whatever

you're selling, they give you nothing for them. Really?

Nothing. It's worth nothing to you. Some people are going to tell you that the

pigs are dirty pigs. You tell them he's wrong.

I'm sorry, my friend. You don't know that.

You come to my barn, you want to see it, okay?

Yeah. And even when you're walking, okay, it's not speaking, stand clean,

it's cool. It's a farm, yeah. What are you going to do? Sure.

It's got to be clean, okay?

Yeah. This is food, okay, we're talking about. Yeah, yeah. That's what you

really want to say, right?

You got a little friend on your right there, Chris.

Brains. Yeah, yeah.

That's why they got that Metcalfe film, right? Yeah. That's what they say. I

don't know. I'm not a doctor. I know, right? Yeah. But that's what they say.

don't do that. We don't feed that.

This is a fat from the pig.

Oh, okay.

And you can cook that meal from that or put it like a bottom on top of

the bread and eat.

Oh, really?

Try.

That's the best.

You grind it down and you make it put salt to the stuffing.

Come see my smokehouse.

This is a bacon.

Fair ribs.

This is a kolbasa.

Three feet long.

Look at that.

Is that real?

I can take it off, but it's too hard to put it back on. Oh, this is perfect.

But it's three feet long. Look at that. And see, this is a kolbasa I made.

Your own blend?

Anthony, you got to, I'm not cheap, but that's what you got to cut. Yep.

But that's when you eat raw.

You don't cook this.

No, no. Oops.

It's far down.

You want some more?

No, thanks.

We're going to go to the house for lunch if you want to try it, boys. Oh, no.

I've never had, like, authentic cabbage roll.

It's a different way to make it.

Yeah, yeah. Usually it's a lot harder.

It's no good.

The best I've ever had.

Don't go hungry.

No, I'll never go hungry, that's for sure.

We should get that tire, though, eh? Get that tire changed and get out of here,

yeah. Thank you for lunch. Excellent.

Yes, thanks.

Tire for you, but it should get you where you have to go.

That's perfect.

There you go.

Oh, man, thank you a lot. Oh, yeah. No problem.

Thank you, sir. Get you a check soon to get back.

Don't worry about it. You guys are so nice. It's unbelievable.

Goodbye.

See you guys later.

Thanks again. Bye, guys.

Take care. Take it easy.

That was a hell of a nice family.

Yeah. Those are great people.

unbelievable at the end of the day we end up dealing with two types of

abductions if we're dealing with an abduction pre -planned and spontaneous

-planned would generally in many cases mean that maybe they've educated

themselves because if you're going to the steps of planning you go on and make

sure you don't get caught again we We have 5 ,000 missing person reports a

And if we're to, for every missing person, pull out 200 officers, well, our

budget would need to be about 15 times what it is.

You know, again, actively, we have almost 700 cases right now.

Most people know the hair and the skin are pretty easy to get rid of.

The most difficult part really is the bones, right?

So here's what I do.

Start with a good reciprocal saw.

The power.

Once you've removed all the thick stuff, all the edible flesh, the meat, I cut

the bones up into little pieces so it's easier to work with.

I know in some of my weaker moments...

You know, I probably thought about just throwing a body in a dumpster or

something like that, but you've got to have the discipline. This is where the

discipline comes into play.

Whoa, there's water on the lens.

Oh, shit.

No. I think we're going to have to give this a good cleaning afterwards because

I think this is youth.

Okay, it's just that simple.

Once you get a little pile of bones like that, like these ones here I prepared

for us, just put them back in the kiln.

And turn it up.

high all the way.

Now it's got to go to at least 2 ,600 degrees Fahrenheit.

This thing goes up to 3 ,000.

And that's it.

It's pretty straightforward.

You just keep repeating the process until you've got it all done.

And you've got nothing but ass.

It's time to take a little drive.

This is something I learned.

This is a little something I learned from a TV movie.

Well,

there are different types of serial killers, but one of the most dangerous

the visionary killer.

This is a person who believes that they're bettering society. They're

the world of evil, vermin, however they or whoever they perceive that to be.

Let's go.

So clearly his false sense of justice can drive someone towards killing a lot

of people. And it also gives the ego a high degree of motivation for doing so.

The light's on inside. She can see us.

What? Wait, wait, wait. She's going to see you.

Don't worry. She can see you.

It's lit in there. Dark out here. It's like two -way glass.

Oh,

shit. Oh, fuck.

What?

She can't see us.

There's a ladder down there. One of those are bound to be open.

Okay,

just take it easy, all right?

Are you fucking crazy? Come on. There's nothing to smash you with. We're not

smashing anything.

Do you have a glass cup?

No fucking glass cup. Oh, Jesus.

Fucking dog. Chris, get out of here. Get out of here.

Okay,

we're walking. That's cool. Lots of noise.

Everything's cool. We're getting out of here.

Not too fast, though. There we go.

There we go.

I thought you were supposed to be the expert, that's all. Let's just go!

Oh, cool.

Everything's fine. She didn't fucking see anything. Easy. I totally want to go

up there and just fucking do that.

Fucking dog.

You got this?

Oh, yeah.

Right away, can you smell that?

Can you smell it?

It's curry, right?

You guys can smell that.

Chris? You smell that?

No,

I used to think it was a joke, too.

But it's completely true, man. Like, what you eat, it just gets into you,

out your pores, and it flavors your meat, flavors your flesh.

I noticed it especially with the Chinese, too.

I don't know why. Why would anyone...

Want to eat the flesh of another human being. What inspires cannibalism?

Somewhere in this damaged psyche, we're taking the violent act, this pent

-up frustration, sexual abuse, whatever's causing it, we're taking it

environment around us, controlling it, and then taking it in transforms the

actual act of killing into something that is...

that is nourishing.

So that doesn't, it doesn't, it's not bad anymore.

Maybe you can tell us about your first culinary venture.

Experiment? Yeah.

It was kind of an experiment, I guess.

Remember that girl I told you about that John brought over? Right, right.

Well, after that one time, she started coming over like fairly regularly, which

was great.

She was really affordable.

Well, certainly, sexual frustration is a common cause of violent, homicidal

behavior.

We call them the hedonists.

So this is a person whose degree of sexual frustration is so humiliating and

embarrassing for them, or painful, really, that they've gone on to...

to perpetrate their violent acts in a sexual framework.

Anyway, she was a really sweet girl.

I don't know, she must have had, like, we call it arrhythmia? Yeah.

She just, I don't know, she just seized up one night.

And I couldn't do anything about it. And I tried, too.

But I didn't really know what to do.

Here?

Here, yeah.

Like, in bed.

I mean, no offense, but how do you get from...

there to uh bestow it's a valid question um i don't know

like i know she didn't have any family and the thought of calling the cops is

going to be around forever i'm certainly going to remember her when she's a part

of me now she's always going to be around i know that i know where she is

know it's it's a ultimate control of our own environment

to the point of which we're taking it inside of ourselves.

So if we look at a serial killer and their past, we may discover that they

are impotent. They are unable to perform.

Also, it could be something as traumatizing as a rejection, a strong

rejection from an early partner.

Really, it all boils down to a lack of love.

Recent disappearance may be linked to a number of criminal organizations

connected with a $125 million municipal computer scandal.

Although no further details were released, it's believed by sources that

are questioning biker gangs and members of the Russian business community.

They don't

even know, man.

They don't even know.

Exactly,

right? Everyone expects like a Hannibal Lecter character, right? For a serial

killer. So on the exterior, no one's ever going to suspect me.

No one's going to suspect the valet. Right.

I mean, ideally, you know, you want to eat something that's been killed when

it's three, four years old, even younger, right?

Hairless goats.

That's what they call them in the cannibal culture. Okay.

Right, right. That's right. Yeah, I knew that.

Yeah, I did, actually.

Really? Well, you get curious after a while. Like, I mean, like you totally,

does make a difference.

It did make a difference, too. It was very tender.

But it was a pretty bad experience.

It was just like, it brought on way too much heat. Like, you know, what I was

just talking about.

You know, like, because when kids go missing.

The whole world flips out, right? Too much trouble, and I'd rather not have to

deal with it.

You remember Ashley?

Ashley? I can't remember her last name. It was like Sedgwick, I think.

I hardly remember it myself anymore.

I remember them looking for a little girl anyway.

Yeah, it was all over the TV, man. Would you do it again?

No, I don't think so.

No. It was just the one time.

Yeah.

It was just the once.

Actually, it was a huge case around here.

We have had and continue to follow some of the leads, and certainly the case

hasn't gone cold.

We still have a detective that's assigned to it doing follow -up. We did,

it originally happened, of course keep in mind this was almost two years ago

now, we had hundreds of calls came in from the public.

But yeah, generally speaking, we're still working.

Hey, how you doing, Merle? I'm Chris. We spoke on the phone. Yeah, good to meet

you. Nice to meet you. All right.

Hello, guys. Come on in. We're on the forum. Perfect. Great.

Hey, what did you say her name on the show was again?

It was called Nick and Kid, Lost and Not Forgotten. Right, right.

Well, come on in. It's just up here.

Anytime you're ready.

Her name is Ashley Elizabeth Sedgwick.

This is the most recent picture I've got of her.

Here she was seven, and she'll be nine in April.

She disappeared on December 6th of 2001 from Barrie Park.

That's just over there.

The last she was seen that we were able to confirm was 4 .30 that afternoon on

December the 6th.

Her father, about an hour later, called her, went onto the porch to call her in

for dinner.

Ashley wasn't in the park.

You can imagine it's any parent's nightmare come true. I mean, phone rang.

Went into the other room for not even 30 seconds.

Next time I look out, I don't see her.

You know, I figured she's just gone over to the store on the corner and, you

know, getting candy, and she'll be right back.

A while later, I can't find her, and the neighbors helped. We scoured the area.

Everybody was so good.

I mean, just no luck.

The way that the investigation has gone with Ashley is we now believe it's a

stranger abduction. It was a stranger abduction.

We've gone through the process of dealing with family and friends.

the information we have and the way the investigation has moved, it's now

leaning that Ashley was abducted by a stranger.

A fairly bold abduction. A fairly bold abduction. No, it's not about morality.

It's a crapshoot.

I mean, how many people die every day?

You know, in every conceivable possible way.

Tough luck. Like, I mean, that's, you know, that's what happens.

Wow. I mean, you know, I can't lie. You've got small thoughts here and there

about kind of like a revenge fantasy. But, you know, I found that, you know,

those kind of thoughts just lead to frustration. I mean.

We need to be doing things that are actually gonna help get our children

How often is the child actually found?

Not often.

Alive or, you know, if you deal with alive, it doesn't happen very often.

how often is she found safe?

Yeah, you know, the odds are vastly against it. Certainly it has happened,

you know, it's likely a .0005 % chance of it happening.

I'd like to ask you a question. You don't have to answer it if you don't

it. No problem.

Go ahead.

Considering Ashley's age and the amount of time she's been missing,

statistically the odds are very slim that she'll be found alive.

How do you deal with that?

Oh, I can't give up hope. I'm sure that we'll find Ashley someday.

And all it takes is, you know, something like this. Whereas if someone saw...

Maybe they recognize her from her picture. There it is again.

Certainly, since you guys are doing this documentary, this would be an excellent

opportunity to say that if there is anyone out there that has any

the Ashley Shedwick case, come forward.

Even if you think...

You may have seen her. Please, just make that phone call or tell authorities.

It's a devastating thing. You know, you take a young, like, you look at, you

know, you look at Ashley. She's a beautiful young girl.

beautiful young girl, and to take her and take her away from her family, take

her away from her father, it's a traumatic event.

And, you know, the family's already had to deal with tragedy because Ashley's

mother had died a few years before that. So the poor father had to, you know,

lost his wife, and now he loses his daughter. I think in the end, you know,

do all have to find our own peace in life.

There's not much that I can't imagine doing to the worthless piece of scum to

perpetrate these kinds of crimes. As a father of two young girls, I can tell

what I would do.

I wouldn't be responsible for my actions at that point. I can just tell you that

right now.

I'm the type of person that likes to bring closure to everything.

And when you have outstanding cases and you don't have closure...

builds up a certain degree of frustration.

But at the end of the day, I have a job to do. I need to remain professional.

I need to remain pulpit.

I can't thank you enough, Merle. I really appreciate it. Thanks again. That

great. Yeah,

thanks again. Okay, take care.

We're not quite sure, but as soon as we find out anything, we'll let you know

right away.

Yeah, thanks again. No problem.

You've been great. Very nice. Thanks again. Take care, okay?

Bye for now. Bye -bye.

When I have kids, man, they're not coming to places like this.

No playgrounds, no arcades, no swimming pools, any place.

The kids congregate.

It's like a supermarket, man. To protect them, eh, I guess?

Yeah.

I mean, what do you think?

I didn't hurt her at all, though.

I mean, it was very quick.

And I tried not to

scare her too much.

I totally

thought about it.

It made the most sense. It was right after 9 -11.

I mean, I didn't know.

She lived right there, but that was the whole point of the uniform.

She was very cussing, but it was very quick.

Like, I planned it so that she wouldn't know.

All right, let's, uh, this is really, this is too much. Yeah, let's just get

of here.

On that note, do you have, uh...

To close off, like any last statement, maybe a statement to possibly, you know,

like a killer out there or somebody who knows where actually something's

happened to her.

Anything that you can say to all those bad guys out there?

We're not going to stop.

We are going to continue.

And we will eventually be successful in locating you.

So the best thing you can do is to come forward now and...

communicate with us so that we can bring closure to these incidents.

Tony Prince here with you.

The Prince of Darkness, they sometimes call me. They also call me the prettiest

face in radio.

The voice of reason, if you prefer. We've been following this Simon Sullivan

case. Folks, this keeps getting more interesting.

It turns out he wasn't running. Well, he may have been running with the wrong

crowd, but they weren't involved in this murder, and I maybe led people to

believe that Sullivan...

got what he deserved.

Turns out he was murdered by a disgruntled restaurant valet who,

apparently Sullivan goes to this restaurant regularly, and this valet had

-in with him the previous night.

And so when did you suspect your friend was involved in Simon Sullivan's

disappearance?

Well, I guess it was no secret.

You know, John hated the guy.

And, well, I guess a lot of people hated him.

So in the days... Leading up to his disappearance?

Thelvan's disappearance.

Yeah, in the days leading up to Thelvan's disappearance.

I thought John was acting maybe a little aggressively, you know, and then after

his disappearance, Thelvan's disappearance, I thought, you know, he

little bit, started acting different.

Different how? What way?

Well, I don't know, kind of, like, even weirder.

When you saw that it's got a clothes in its trash?

That's when you suspected he may have been involved in Sullivan's

Yeah.

Yeah, when I saw Sullivan's bloody suit in his trash bin, that's when I said to

myself,

John, John, man, what have you done?

And, you know, I wanted to be a good citizen.

It's not easy turning your best friend, but I just had to come to you guys.

So, you know, so this, This valet decides he can just take out Sullivan.

This is his reaction to some kind of little run -in. This is what people

They can just take their anger to the extreme and murder someone simply

they might not have tipped you enough.

I'm not!

What is this all about?

Officer, do you have any idea about these hoops? I'm the manager of this

restaurant. What does this have to do with you?

Stay out of it and back off or you're going to go to jail too. Back off!

Do you know anything about this? No.

They just came. I don't know. Who are those guys? Who are those guys? Hey,

hey. I've seen you before.

They told me they had permission.

Permission? I've never heard anything about no permission.

Turn that camera off right now. Turn it off right now.

It's social terrorism, folks.

Anyway, I would like to apologize to the Sullivan family just for that part of

my earlier statements.

He certainly didn't deserve this. John Vieira guy taking him out.

Hey. Hey.

You guys see that?

What a showstopper, eh?

What's happening out there, man?

We'll talk inside.

Hello?

Yes, speaking.

Oh, my God.

Oh,

no.

Okay. No, no, you called the right person.

Okay.

Okay.

So what do I do? Do I show up right away?

Okay. Chris, not right now. This is kind of an important call.

I'll be down there as soon as I can, I guess.

Okay, yeah.

Sorry about that, Chris.

I think I need you guys to leave.

You don't have to leave. I just got a bad call.

It's my mom.

She's dead.

Oh, that's terrible.

I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm really sorry.

Yeah, so am I.

Can we buy you a drink?

No, no.

No,

I don't think that's going to do it. I just need you guys.

I just need some space right now. I just need some time.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

No.

No, seriously, man. Chris.

Give me some respect, man.

Hello?

Hey, man. Anthony.

Hey. How's it going? It's Chris calling. Chris. Hey, how's it going, man?

You know, the movie's still, you know...

looming over our heads, right? And of course, you know, this whole thing, I

mean, the movie's about you, right? Like, this seems like a significant kind

event in your life, obviously.

What do you say? Well, are you planning like, you know, I guess like a funeral?

I don't know if this is what you're hinting at, but I don't think I'd like

guys to be there, really.

Hey, is there any way we can get you to put the lav on?

Come on, guys.

I didn't really want you guys here to begin with, you know? Yeah.

We don't have to, I mean, it's not like we have to, you know, sit right there,

you know, right by the side of the grave or whatever, you know, with the camera

and stuff. Well, there won't even be a grave. Like, I mean, it's, you know,

she's being cremated. Oh, okay. And then, you know, she left a request that

you know, dispose of her ashes at a specific place. Scatter her ashes. Yeah,

scatter her ashes. Right. I mean, we wouldn't even be asking, I wouldn't even

making this phone call. It wasn't, like, 100 % necessary to the film.

Right, and I think you can sort of, if you look at it from our perspective, you

can understand how important it is for, you know, the telling of the movie. You

know, this guy might be the main bit, you know what I mean? And to let it go

would just kill us, right? You know, if it's that important.

Well, it is important. If we're near the end, then it's going to help end it.

Yeah, well, it might be the very end. You know, this might be the last thing

have to do. You never know, right?

Right. Okay, so basically it's a...

It's a yes to the scattering of the ashes. That's what you're sort of...

That's what I can tell Nathan.

And I can't tell you how much we appreciate this, too. And by the way,

I am for your mom. Like, that's... Okay. We never really got a chance to tell

you how sore we were, but, you know... Okay.

All right. I hope so.

Okay, man. Thanks a lot.

So are you guys getting sick of this at all?

Kind of following me around, you know, my boring life around?

I don't know.

Maybe something new.

A little change.

But nothing major.

I mean, I figure, you know, I've maybe got a second chance at

things. I guess the New Year always makes you think that way. I don't know.

Especially with recent events.

But as soon as it hits 12, like, we're out of here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're done. We're done.

What, you're not having fun?

It was all right for a while, but, you know, it's pretty cold, man.

I don't know.

Besides, I want some more drinks, man.

Maybe we should go back to my place for some more New Year's cheer.

Hold on one second. Anthony?

Yeah? Wait there. I'm going to get a close -up.

I mean,

you want to say?

Close -up of the beer pour. Yep.

Okay. Anytime.

Can't even drink a beer in peace.

Yeah, it's pretty spontaneous.

Mmm.

Perfect. Thank you, sir.

A little tears or a toast or?

Uh, yeah, okay, sure.

Let's get up, though. You guys got to get up.

Okay.

So, who does it? As hosts, I guess I do it, right?

Okay.

Here's an old one I remember hearing.

Here's to champagne for real friends and real pain for sham friends.

Cheers. Cheers.

Cheers, guys.

Someone probably wrote that for filmmakers.

From what I hear.

So this is basically it, right?

As far as the movie goes?

I think we're almost done, yeah.

This is pretty much it.

Awesome.

And when are people going to see it? It usually takes a year or two, especially

when you have an independent.

Shooting is easy, but editing is the hard part. Yeah.

And what happens when you're finished with editing it? What happens to all the

tapes?

So when does the money start rolling in?

Like possibly if someone buys it, that's the process?

Yeah, that's exactly the process, actually. We're going to try to get a

agent or try to get into some film festivals. I also want to make sure I

whatever my share of the money is. Oh, yeah, we'll all get taken care of.

Well, we've shaken hands. This is a gentleman's agreement.

We're all men of our words.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Don't worry about that. Yeah, nobody's getting left out in the cold.

No, no. I mean, obviously not. Like, it's just, you know.

I got to pee.

Can we get a guide in?

Yeah, sure. Okay.

Thanks a lot.

Clean the land spots, all right?

What's that you're cooking out on the front porch?

It takes me way back to back before the war.

Everything is changing for better or worse, I don't know.

I feel this way today, but I might wake up and say.

When the wind comes pouring down, I might like it here again.

Everything is changing for better or worse, I don't know.

Well, folks, it's come to this.

I hope you're sitting down. I've got a little surprise for you. We've been

promising you a special guest for a while, and special is definitely in

on this. We've been covering this case for a long time.

We have live from Cell Block 3, Anthony McAllister, and I'm going

to give him two minutes to talk about his organic food program.

I know you'll be on the edge of your seats, and then we'll get into what we

really need to discuss.

Well, I'd like to say thank you, first of all, or thanks to your producers

anyway. I know you weren't keen on having me on, but as you know, I've

been interested in nutrition.

I used to have very unfortunate...

and thick ideas on the topic.

But I've been able to channel a lot of that energy into this new program, which

stresses natural foods, organic foods. When I first got here, for instance, I

mean, the inmates were just, you know, banging off the walls practically. We

were in lockdown every other day. Now, since I've lobbied the authorities to

take refined sugar, for instance, out of our diet, a real wave of calmness has

taken over the whole institution.

It's allowed everyone to concentrate, I think, a bit deeper.

and to get on with our lives and to get on with learning how to reintegrate into

society. I think it's a fantastic program.

And we can assume that the guards or your fellow inmates are not part of what

you call organic or natural food.

Yeah, you can assume that.

That's cheap, but you can assume that. Well, I think it's warranted in this

case.

Congratulations. We're all very excited.

You know, I don't appreciate the mockery with which you treat me with and my

life with.

Well, we don't appreciate all that you've done in our society either. So

call it even, shall we?

Well, I've tried to move on, clearly, from my past. Your victims' families

move on.

Your victims can't move on.

You're right. So I'm glad that you're moving on, but some people aren't quite

prepared to do it. Do you even understand that, Mr. McAllister? Do you

remorse for your crimes whatsoever?

Of course, I feel a great deal of remorse.

Clearly, I myself have committed terrible crimes.

And what I did, I did because of that illness.

I had a terrible understanding of the world.

And I'll bet a bad childhood, too.

A bad childhood, too.

I'm not trying to make excuses. I'm only explaining that what I did, I did

because I thought really what I was doing was normal.

And I know how sick that is, but it's people like you and these two other

gentlemen, these filmmakers, who profit off of my crimes. Don't lump me in with

those filmmakers.

Don't lump me in with those filmmakers. I mean, I'm the one in prison, and other

people are profiting from these crimes.

If cannibalism were legal today,

would you still be eating people?

You know, I'm not going to answer that question.

Why not?

That's certainly going to come up at your parole hearing.

No. First of all, obviously, there's no chance that cannibalism, you know, would

ever become legal.

But indulge me.

Let's pretend it is.

Well, listen, I have no intention of going back to my former self, my former

lifestyle.

I don't want to live, as it were, or feed, as it were, off of other people's

misery anymore, unlike yourself.

Why should I or anyone believe a word you're saying?

Well, why should I lie? My life is an open book now. Well, you should lie

because you want to get out on the outside and continue doing what you were

doing.

You have every reason in the world to be lying.

I don't want to continue to do what I was doing. I mean, you're putting words

into my mouth. No, you said, why should you lie? And I'm telling you that's a

very, very valid reason why you would.

But you can't see what's in me, though. I mean, you can't know what's in my

heart. And I can only tell you, I can only be honest.

Well, I can only be honest that I have no interest in...

becoming or going back to the kind of person I was.

Well, that's excellent. We appreciate your transparency.

It's very noble of you.

Thank you. I don't appreciate your mockery.

Well, we don't appreciate the circumstances that lead you to even

program.

And I normally thank guests for taking the time. I don't feel it's appropriate

in this case.

I'd just like to conclude. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you.