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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,573 --> 00:00:03,813 This week on Vice: 2 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:05,039 Trump's move in Israel 3 00:00:05,074 --> 00:00:07,507 sparks outrage across the Middle East. 4 00:00:15,251 --> 00:00:17,196 We're in Gaza on the Israeli border. 5 00:00:17,219 --> 00:00:18,219 This is the day of rage. 6 00:00:18,224 --> 00:00:19,757 There are thousands of young Palestinians 7 00:00:19,821 --> 00:00:21,855 protesting against Trump's announcement. 8 00:00:23,091 --> 00:00:26,359 And then, the rise of mass surveillance in China. 9 00:00:27,529 --> 00:00:29,563 You cross the street against the light, 10 00:00:29,598 --> 00:00:31,363 cameras will take a picture of your face 11 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,533 and then post it up there to embarrass you. 12 00:00:46,014 --> 00:00:48,515 Right now, it's time to change. 13 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:07,933 In season two, we reported a story about how crucial Israel is 14 00:01:07,968 --> 00:01:10,602 to the American evangelical community. 15 00:01:10,638 --> 00:01:12,938 Many evangelicals strongly believe 16 00:01:12,972 --> 00:01:15,841 that Israel and, more specifically, Jerusalem 17 00:01:15,876 --> 00:01:17,843 must be completely controlled by the Jewish people 18 00:01:17,878 --> 00:01:20,846 in order to trigger the Second Coming of Christ. 19 00:01:20,881 --> 00:01:23,448 He is going to defeat the Antichrist, 20 00:01:23,484 --> 00:01:26,852 and we are going to crown Jesus Christ 21 00:01:26,887 --> 00:01:30,487 as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. 22 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:33,390 Now, 80 percent of white evangelical voters 23 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:36,861 supported Donald Trump in the 2016 election. 24 00:01:36,896 --> 00:01:40,680 In return, President Trump has given his evangelical base 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,099 exactly what they wanted. 26 00:01:42,135 --> 00:01:46,137 It is time to officially recognize 27 00:01:46,173 --> 00:01:50,941 Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. 28 00:01:50,977 --> 00:01:52,977 Now, this announcement sparked controversy 29 00:01:53,012 --> 00:01:54,245 and outrage around the world, 30 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:56,581 but was especially contentious... 31 00:01:56,615 --> 00:01:59,884 ... between Israel and Palestine. 32 00:01:59,918 --> 00:02:02,852 So, we sent Gianna Toboni to see the real-world consequences 33 00:02:02,888 --> 00:02:04,722 of the president's actions. 34 00:02:29,647 --> 00:02:31,215 Since Trump's announcement, 35 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:33,015 Hamas and some of the other factions... 36 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:34,550 you can see their flags behind me... 37 00:02:34,586 --> 00:02:36,651 have called for a day of rage, 38 00:02:36,687 --> 00:02:39,254 so this rally is kicking that off right now. 39 00:02:54,138 --> 00:02:56,170 This protest was just one of many 40 00:02:56,206 --> 00:02:58,973 that erupted across Israel and Palestine. 41 00:03:51,597 --> 00:03:53,597 You can hear Israeli gunshots coming over. 42 00:03:53,632 --> 00:03:56,266 A couple of kids have already been taken away in ambulances. 43 00:04:19,456 --> 00:04:20,822 Can you explain what happened? 44 00:04:36,274 --> 00:04:37,807 Since Trump's announcement, 45 00:04:37,841 --> 00:04:39,341 more than 40 Palestinians 46 00:04:39,377 --> 00:04:41,843 and four Israelis have been killed. 47 00:04:43,814 --> 00:04:47,216 Congress ordered the embassy to be relocated back in 1995. 48 00:04:48,151 --> 00:04:49,418 Every President since then 49 00:04:49,452 --> 00:04:51,252 has issued waivers delaying the move. 50 00:04:51,288 --> 00:04:53,622 But President Trump had promised not to, 51 00:04:53,656 --> 00:04:56,725 and conservative Israelis were thrilled. 52 00:05:09,372 --> 00:05:11,182 While most of the world saw Trump's signing 53 00:05:11,206 --> 00:05:13,274 of the order as provoking a conflict, 54 00:05:13,310 --> 00:05:15,108 Prime Minister Netanyahu said 55 00:05:15,144 --> 00:05:16,478 it would actually defuse one. 56 00:05:16,512 --> 00:05:18,612 I share President Trump's commitment 57 00:05:18,649 --> 00:05:21,815 to advancing peace between Israel and all of our neighbors, 58 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:23,617 including the Palestinians. 59 00:05:23,653 --> 00:05:25,252 We spoke to Emmanuel Nahshon, 60 00:05:25,288 --> 00:05:27,620 a spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry, 61 00:05:27,656 --> 00:05:28,889 who told us why the government 62 00:05:28,925 --> 00:05:31,058 is a hundred percent in support of the move. 63 00:05:31,093 --> 00:05:33,327 Did the government know that this was coming? 64 00:05:33,362 --> 00:05:35,295 Had you been talking to them beforehand? 65 00:05:35,331 --> 00:05:36,863 Had you been asking them to do this? 66 00:05:36,899 --> 00:05:40,132 We encouraged the American administration to do it 67 00:05:40,168 --> 00:05:43,069 because we believed that it was something very positive. 68 00:05:43,105 --> 00:05:45,738 This announcement actually should have taken place 69 00:05:45,774 --> 00:05:47,441 many, many years ago. 70 00:05:47,476 --> 00:05:50,744 Jerusalem has been our capital since 1948. 71 00:05:50,779 --> 00:05:52,678 That's almost 70 years, 72 00:05:52,713 --> 00:05:54,447 and I think that it's good and important 73 00:05:54,483 --> 00:05:57,084 that the president of the most important country in the world 74 00:05:57,119 --> 00:06:00,819 should actually acknowledge and recognize that this is our capital. 75 00:06:00,855 --> 00:06:04,156 Not surprisingly, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas 76 00:06:04,192 --> 00:06:06,526 is strongly objecting to Trump's move. 77 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,862 Abbas is president of the Palestinian Authority 78 00:06:08,896 --> 00:06:11,197 and head of the Fatah party, 79 00:06:11,231 --> 00:06:13,733 but his grip on power is weakening. 80 00:06:23,276 --> 00:06:26,345 Dr. Hanan Ashrawi is a long-time Palestinian leader 81 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:28,613 who's been instrumental in the peace process 82 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:30,115 for more than 30 years. 83 00:06:30,151 --> 00:06:33,685 How significant is President Trump's recognition 84 00:06:33,721 --> 00:06:36,889 of Jerusalem as Israel's capital? 85 00:06:36,923 --> 00:06:39,858 This recognition by President Trump represents to us 86 00:06:39,894 --> 00:06:44,095 the epitome of irresponsibility, recklessness, 87 00:06:44,130 --> 00:06:47,632 and a position that has become a game-changer in the whole region. 88 00:06:47,668 --> 00:06:50,468 He has undermined the stability and security, 89 00:06:50,504 --> 00:06:53,738 not just of Palestine, but of the region as a whole 90 00:06:53,774 --> 00:06:57,141 by provoking people's sentiments, people's feelings. 91 00:06:57,177 --> 00:07:00,978 It has made the chances of peace much more difficult. 92 00:07:02,682 --> 00:07:04,981 That's because for centuries, Jerusalem has been 93 00:07:05,018 --> 00:07:07,884 a holy city for three of the world's major religions. 94 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,487 We're on a rooftop in the Old City of Jerusalem. 95 00:07:10,524 --> 00:07:12,656 Right in front of me, you see this gold dome. 96 00:07:12,692 --> 00:07:15,459 That's what Muslims refer to as Al Aqsa Mosque, 97 00:07:15,494 --> 00:07:17,562 and what Jews refer to as Temple Mount. 98 00:07:17,596 --> 00:07:20,932 Muslims say that that's where Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven. 99 00:07:20,966 --> 00:07:24,233 And then you look right over here, and there are a series of churches. 100 00:07:24,269 --> 00:07:27,538 And this church has the big gold cross on the top. 101 00:07:27,574 --> 00:07:30,875 That's where Christians say Jesus resurrected. 102 00:07:30,909 --> 00:07:32,180 Different religious communities 103 00:07:32,180 --> 00:07:34,478 have been coexisting here for centuries, 104 00:07:34,512 --> 00:07:36,646 which is part of why Trump's decision is 105 00:07:36,682 --> 00:07:40,016 so controversial not only here, but around the world. 106 00:07:40,052 --> 00:07:43,187 Trump's move has made the peace process nearly impossible. 107 00:07:43,221 --> 00:07:45,355 But efforts have been faltering for years, 108 00:07:45,391 --> 00:07:48,625 in part due to divisions between rival Palestinian parties... 109 00:07:48,659 --> 00:07:52,127 the more moderate Fatah and the more hardline Hamas. 110 00:07:52,163 --> 00:07:55,543 With the failure of the peace process to deliver, 111 00:07:55,543 --> 00:07:57,100 Hamas became stronger. 112 00:07:57,134 --> 00:08:00,670 Now it demands to have a greater role. 113 00:08:00,706 --> 00:08:02,404 Who is Fatah? Who is Hamas? 114 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:04,639 Fatah is the oldest party. 115 00:08:04,675 --> 00:08:06,908 It started in the '60s. 116 00:08:06,944 --> 00:08:08,310 It became the backbone 117 00:08:08,346 --> 00:08:10,846 of the Palestine Liberation Organization. 118 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,581 Hamas is a newcomer. 119 00:08:12,617 --> 00:08:16,018 Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. 120 00:08:16,052 --> 00:08:18,487 But Hamas resorted to violence 121 00:08:18,523 --> 00:08:20,788 after it won, of course, elections. 122 00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:23,290 There were difficulties relinquishing power, 123 00:08:23,326 --> 00:08:28,429 and in Gaza, Hamas took over all the security offices by violence. 124 00:08:33,703 --> 00:08:36,105 This rift has really weakened us. 125 00:08:36,139 --> 00:08:38,206 Right now, this is a very crucial point. 126 00:08:38,241 --> 00:08:39,941 Since this bloody conflict, 127 00:08:39,975 --> 00:08:43,577 Hamas has been largely confined to Gaza by Israeli forces, 128 00:08:43,614 --> 00:08:48,250 while Fatah controls the remaining Palestinian territories. 129 00:09:09,806 --> 00:09:11,004 We're in Gaza City. 130 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:13,740 This is the 30th anniversary of Hamas. 131 00:09:13,775 --> 00:09:15,442 This party is incredibly popular. 132 00:09:15,477 --> 00:09:18,379 You look around, there are hundreds of thousands of people, 133 00:09:18,413 --> 00:09:20,846 many of them waving green Hamas flags. 134 00:09:20,883 --> 00:09:24,083 People are very clearly not happy with Trump's latest move. 135 00:09:36,565 --> 00:09:37,898 Why do you support Hamas? 136 00:10:08,428 --> 00:10:11,395 We got a bunch of kids in military uniforms 137 00:10:11,432 --> 00:10:14,633 carrying fake guns and a few flags. 138 00:10:14,668 --> 00:10:17,034 You know, it's... it's a family affair. 139 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:18,802 Can you tell me about your kids' outfits? 140 00:10:29,716 --> 00:10:32,951 Hamas is no stranger to military force. 141 00:10:32,985 --> 00:10:35,186 In their 30-year history, they've gone to war 142 00:10:35,221 --> 00:10:37,388 three times with Israel in Gaza, 143 00:10:37,423 --> 00:10:39,923 most recently in 2014. 144 00:10:41,527 --> 00:10:44,327 The US considers Hamas to be a terrorist organization. 145 00:10:44,364 --> 00:10:47,530 The group uses tunnels to smuggle weapons into Israel, 146 00:10:47,567 --> 00:10:49,134 and it's launched suicide bombings 147 00:10:49,168 --> 00:10:51,934 and rocket attacks on Israeli targets. 148 00:10:51,971 --> 00:10:53,403 After the embassy announcement, 149 00:10:53,438 --> 00:10:55,172 rockets fired out of Gaza led 150 00:10:55,206 --> 00:10:58,142 to Israeli air strikes that killed two Gazans. 151 00:11:00,513 --> 00:11:03,714 Mahmoud Al-Zahar is one of the original founders of Hamas 152 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:06,482 and remains a senior figure within the organization. 153 00:11:06,518 --> 00:11:07,673 Just a few days ago, 154 00:11:07,674 --> 00:11:10,653 you said that "Hamas is here to prove to the whole world 155 00:11:10,688 --> 00:11:12,554 "that resistance is our only option, 156 00:11:12,591 --> 00:11:15,158 and we will continue until we reach Al Aqsa Mosque," 157 00:11:15,193 --> 00:11:16,692 which of course is in Jerusalem. 158 00:11:18,129 --> 00:11:19,696 But realistically, how do you do it? 159 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:21,364 I mean, there are massive concrete walls 160 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:24,232 guarded by very powerful Israeli Defense Forces. 161 00:11:49,259 --> 00:11:53,394 What is the relationship right now between Hamas and Fatah? 162 00:12:22,326 --> 00:12:23,991 That pro-resistance mentality 163 00:12:24,027 --> 00:12:26,626 is starting to rip Palestinians apart, 164 00:12:26,663 --> 00:12:28,196 and the friction has intensified 165 00:12:28,231 --> 00:12:30,029 as the nearly two million Palestinians 166 00:12:30,066 --> 00:12:32,399 living in Gaza are physically locked in 167 00:12:32,434 --> 00:12:34,168 by closed borders. 168 00:12:34,202 --> 00:12:35,436 Meaning civilians in Gaza 169 00:12:35,471 --> 00:12:36,971 often can't get the necessities 170 00:12:37,005 --> 00:12:38,938 and medical care they need. 171 00:12:46,315 --> 00:12:48,092 What will happen with your health if you aren't able 172 00:12:48,116 --> 00:12:50,049 to get out of Gaza to get that taken care of? 173 00:13:01,897 --> 00:13:04,207 Tensions have been growing as the PA has been leveraging 174 00:13:04,231 --> 00:13:08,701 the power they have over Gaza's resources against the people there. 175 00:13:15,644 --> 00:13:18,139 As Palestine's deepening political divisions 176 00:13:18,140 --> 00:13:19,677 increasingly impact daily life, 177 00:13:19,713 --> 00:13:22,916 the people there are desperate for reconciliation. 178 00:13:22,951 --> 00:13:26,219 How would your life change if there was a true reconciliation 179 00:13:26,254 --> 00:13:28,020 between Hamas and Fatah? 180 00:13:44,171 --> 00:13:45,971 But despite ongoing negotiations 181 00:13:46,005 --> 00:13:48,072 between Palestine's political factions, 182 00:13:48,107 --> 00:13:50,676 the acrimony only appears to be increasing. 183 00:13:50,711 --> 00:13:53,177 In fact, in March of 2018, 184 00:13:53,212 --> 00:13:56,780 Hamas allegedly attempted to assassinate Prime Minister Hamdallah, 185 00:13:56,817 --> 00:13:58,850 and the group remain resolute in its stand 186 00:13:58,884 --> 00:14:01,753 against both Israel and the Palestinian Authority. 187 00:14:01,788 --> 00:14:03,788 One of the terms of the reconciliation 188 00:14:03,823 --> 00:14:06,490 is that Hamas put down their weapons. 189 00:14:06,525 --> 00:14:08,725 No, no. Is... is that something you would ever consider? 190 00:14:21,006 --> 00:14:24,041 Although they remain divided, Palestinians are united 191 00:14:24,076 --> 00:14:27,077 in opposing Israel's complete control of Jerusalem. 192 00:14:27,113 --> 00:14:30,081 As support for the two sparring parties is dropping, 193 00:14:30,115 --> 00:14:32,915 support for armed resistance is rising. 194 00:14:32,951 --> 00:14:35,452 The ramifications are enormous, 195 00:14:35,488 --> 00:14:38,088 and the consequences will have a ripple effect 196 00:14:38,124 --> 00:14:40,290 within the region and beyond. 197 00:14:40,326 --> 00:14:42,658 Not only does it inflame sentiments, 198 00:14:42,695 --> 00:14:44,528 but it really provokes people, 199 00:14:44,562 --> 00:14:46,428 uh, to take action. 200 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:31,306 In our modern age, mass surveillance 201 00:15:31,341 --> 00:15:33,274 is now becoming the norm. 202 00:15:33,309 --> 00:15:36,912 From local police using innovations in audio and video technology 203 00:15:36,947 --> 00:15:38,846 to track criminal activities, 204 00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:41,182 to more clandestine methods used to monitor 205 00:15:41,217 --> 00:15:44,452 the communication, movement, and lifestyle habits, 206 00:15:44,488 --> 00:15:45,886 of everyday citizens. 207 00:15:45,923 --> 00:15:48,822 Every part of a private life today 208 00:15:48,859 --> 00:15:50,323 is found on someone's phone. 209 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,961 We used to say man's home is his castle. 210 00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:54,763 Today, a man's phone is his castle. 211 00:15:54,798 --> 00:15:57,698 New advances in facial recognition technology 212 00:15:57,734 --> 00:16:00,134 are being paired with artificial intelligence 213 00:16:00,169 --> 00:16:02,302 and machine learning, so that today, 214 00:16:02,337 --> 00:16:05,267 cameras can not only immediately identify people 215 00:16:05,268 --> 00:16:06,573 with remarkable precision, 216 00:16:06,609 --> 00:16:09,443 but also log and track this data. 217 00:16:09,479 --> 00:16:11,379 Elle Reeve traveled to China to see 218 00:16:11,413 --> 00:16:13,813 how this new technology is already being deployed 219 00:16:13,849 --> 00:16:18,186 and the unintended, or in some cases, intended consequences 220 00:16:18,221 --> 00:16:21,153 it might have for humanity going forward. 221 00:16:30,932 --> 00:16:34,234 China has the largest video surveillance network 222 00:16:34,269 --> 00:16:36,970 in the world and plans to expand it 223 00:16:37,004 --> 00:16:40,440 to more than 600 million cameras over the next two years. 224 00:16:40,475 --> 00:16:44,311 With the rise in facial recognition and artificial intelligence, 225 00:16:44,346 --> 00:16:48,847 it feels more like someone is watching all those cameras at all times. 226 00:17:02,395 --> 00:17:04,329 Hi, I'm Elle, I'm in China, 227 00:17:04,365 --> 00:17:06,065 and I just got busted for jaywalking 228 00:17:06,101 --> 00:17:08,233 with facial recognition technology. 229 00:17:08,269 --> 00:17:12,371 Stations like this one are part of a new plan by the Chinese government 230 00:17:12,405 --> 00:17:15,540 to publicly shame citizens caught breaking the law. 231 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:17,643 If you cross the street against the light, 232 00:17:17,678 --> 00:17:19,845 cameras with facial recognition technology 233 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,279 will take a picture of your face, 234 00:17:21,315 --> 00:17:23,449 cross-reference it with your government ID, 235 00:17:23,483 --> 00:17:25,416 and then post it up there to embarrass you. 236 00:17:25,452 --> 00:17:30,087 But China isn't embracing facial recognition just to catch jaywalkers. 237 00:17:30,124 --> 00:17:32,474 The technology is starting to appear 238 00:17:32,476 --> 00:17:34,625 just about anywhere you can imagine. 239 00:17:34,662 --> 00:17:38,496 It helps make menu recommendations at your local fast-food spot. 240 00:17:38,531 --> 00:17:41,598 You can also pay for your food with your face. 241 00:17:51,577 --> 00:17:55,380 It even curbs the waste of toilet paper at public bathrooms. 242 00:18:01,186 --> 00:18:03,319 My gift. 243 00:18:03,355 --> 00:18:05,890 This is all I get for the next nine minutes. 244 00:18:05,924 --> 00:18:09,192 Then I come back again and I try to get more? 245 00:18:13,199 --> 00:18:15,531 Chinese tech companies are now at the cutting edge 246 00:18:15,567 --> 00:18:20,170 of developing new and sophisticated ways to do video analysis. 247 00:18:20,205 --> 00:18:21,938 Right now we're going to SenseTime, 248 00:18:21,972 --> 00:18:25,442 one of the biggest companies involved in developing that technology. 249 00:18:26,778 --> 00:18:27,876 Oh, that's me. 250 00:18:41,727 --> 00:18:43,659 So you know when someone's late? 251 00:19:17,761 --> 00:19:19,394 Yes! 252 00:19:22,699 --> 00:19:26,000 But despite all the goofy applications we were first shown, 253 00:19:26,035 --> 00:19:28,001 much of the tech SenseTime is developing 254 00:19:28,037 --> 00:19:30,505 has serious real-world implications. 255 00:20:24,125 --> 00:20:27,426 So it can track suspicious activity within a large crowd. 256 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:36,234 Are you ever bothered by having no anonymity 257 00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:38,604 because there are cameras watching all the time? 258 00:20:52,086 --> 00:20:53,684 But the reach of this technology 259 00:20:53,721 --> 00:20:55,554 goes way beyond public areas 260 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:59,023 and increasingly infiltrates private spaces as well. 261 00:20:59,059 --> 00:21:01,393 We're going into a government housing complex. 262 00:21:01,428 --> 00:21:04,061 Instead of doormen, they have security cameras 263 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:05,963 with facial recognition technology, 264 00:21:05,999 --> 00:21:08,199 and we're gonna go see how it works. 265 00:21:15,509 --> 00:21:16,607 Ah. 266 00:21:33,526 --> 00:21:35,157 This is the number of visitors, 267 00:21:35,193 --> 00:21:37,394 this is all of the residents, 268 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:41,298 and this is our most popular person with 142. 269 00:21:53,244 --> 00:21:56,712 How much more is your system doing that you're not allowed to show us? 270 00:22:04,455 --> 00:22:06,623 In China, there are few protections 271 00:22:06,657 --> 00:22:09,258 limiting how much information the government can collect 272 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:12,461 about its 1.4 billion citizens. 273 00:22:12,497 --> 00:22:15,531 Everyone over the age of 16 is required to have 274 00:22:15,567 --> 00:22:17,767 an official state-issued ID card 275 00:22:17,803 --> 00:22:19,635 that the government now wants to use 276 00:22:19,671 --> 00:22:21,871 to centralize all that information. 277 00:22:21,906 --> 00:22:24,740 And China is investing heavily in tech companies 278 00:22:24,775 --> 00:22:27,009 to help transform that government data 279 00:22:27,045 --> 00:22:30,445 into a virtually omniscient surveillance network. 280 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,181 One of those companies is Megvii 281 00:22:32,215 --> 00:22:34,817 It recently received a capital investment 282 00:22:34,852 --> 00:22:36,818 of nearly half a billion dollars, 283 00:22:36,854 --> 00:22:39,520 part of which is from a state-run VC fund. 284 00:22:39,557 --> 00:22:43,191 But the name chosen for its premiere piece of technology 285 00:22:43,226 --> 00:22:45,059 is a bit of a tell. 286 00:22:46,564 --> 00:22:47,596 Skynet? 287 00:22:47,631 --> 00:22:49,197 - Yes. - What is that? 288 00:22:53,369 --> 00:22:54,470 Uh-huh. 289 00:22:59,909 --> 00:23:02,844 So, okay, in The Terminator, Skynet is evil, 290 00:23:02,878 --> 00:23:05,313 - rains down death from the sky. - Yeah. 291 00:23:05,348 --> 00:23:07,281 But in China, Skynet is good. 292 00:23:09,419 --> 00:23:12,003 So, how do you think your facial recognition technology 293 00:23:12,005 --> 00:23:13,186 will change China? 294 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:43,282 So, when it looks out onto a crowd, 295 00:23:43,318 --> 00:23:44,984 it's tracking all these faces, 296 00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:48,755 and it's cross-checking those faces against what? 297 00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:52,925 And how many fugitives have been apprehended through this system? 298 00:23:55,763 --> 00:23:56,796 Wow. 299 00:23:58,098 --> 00:23:59,798 In one year? Wow. 300 00:23:59,835 --> 00:24:03,368 So, what you're working on now already seems like sci-fi. 301 00:24:03,404 --> 00:24:06,439 What do you think the future will look like in, like, five years? 302 00:24:14,382 --> 00:24:16,348 But that's like a horror show. 303 00:24:24,892 --> 00:24:27,325 If you like spit gum on the sidewalk... 304 00:24:28,863 --> 00:24:30,394 And your points will go down? 305 00:24:32,098 --> 00:24:35,400 But that future isn't too far away. 306 00:24:35,435 --> 00:24:37,435 Now China's government is testing 307 00:24:37,471 --> 00:24:40,172 a new social credit score system 308 00:24:40,207 --> 00:24:44,308 which would rank its citizens based on their online behavior. 309 00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:46,743 While it won't fully roll out until 2020, 310 00:24:46,779 --> 00:24:50,147 starting this year, China will ban people with a bad score 311 00:24:50,183 --> 00:24:52,817 from booking flights and train rides. 312 00:24:52,852 --> 00:24:54,986 We spoke with a lawyer who represents clients 313 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:58,056 considered to be untrustworthy by the communist government 314 00:24:58,090 --> 00:25:01,392 about what this could mean for the future of China. 315 00:25:01,426 --> 00:25:03,961 What are the risks of this kind of program? 316 00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:33,267 What do you think of the government's argument 317 00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:37,393 that a social credit system will create a meritocratic society? 318 00:26:07,692 --> 00:26:10,026 But China isn't the only place experimenting 319 00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:12,394 with facial recognition applications. 320 00:26:12,429 --> 00:26:14,863 An airport in the Middle East is already planning 321 00:26:14,897 --> 00:26:17,532 face-scanning aquariums at security checkpoints. 322 00:26:17,567 --> 00:26:20,469 In Europe, state-sanctioned and private initiatives 323 00:26:20,503 --> 00:26:23,372 are testing this technology in multiple locations, 324 00:26:23,406 --> 00:26:25,807 from train stations to online classes. 325 00:26:25,842 --> 00:26:29,177 And in the US, private companies are investing millions 326 00:26:29,212 --> 00:26:30,912 to secure government contracts, 327 00:26:30,947 --> 00:26:33,413 which could make machine learning and image recognition 328 00:26:33,449 --> 00:26:35,516 a regular part of police work. 329 00:26:35,551 --> 00:26:37,685 Law professor Andrew Guthrie Ferguson 330 00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:40,354 is a leading expert on big data policing. 331 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:42,522 He spoke to us about the ramifications 332 00:26:42,558 --> 00:26:45,358 that these technologies could present. 333 00:26:45,394 --> 00:26:47,994 When you look at China's system of facial recognition 334 00:26:48,029 --> 00:26:51,765 and video surveillance, what do you see? 335 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,933 I see the future and it scares me. 336 00:26:53,969 --> 00:26:57,438 If you have the capability to identify people and patterns, 337 00:26:57,472 --> 00:26:59,701 and you can show association about where you go 338 00:26:59,702 --> 00:27:01,040 and why you're going there, 339 00:27:01,076 --> 00:27:02,840 it really will change the relationship 340 00:27:02,842 --> 00:27:04,510 between citizens and their governments. 341 00:27:04,546 --> 00:27:07,714 In China, the government has heavily invested in these companies 342 00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:10,349 developing facial recognition technology. 343 00:27:10,384 --> 00:27:13,019 In the US, it's still more in the private sector. 344 00:27:13,055 --> 00:27:14,587 Can you explain the difference? 345 00:27:14,623 --> 00:27:17,223 So, much of the story of big data policing 346 00:27:17,259 --> 00:27:19,226 has been small startup companies 347 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,193 or even sometimes the big tech companies 348 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:23,829 that are pushing police to use new technologies. 349 00:27:23,865 --> 00:27:27,200 One of the open questions is, "Who owns this data?" 350 00:27:27,236 --> 00:27:28,934 Take police body cams, right? 351 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:31,503 Right now, there is sort of an arms race 352 00:27:31,539 --> 00:27:34,441 of people trying to sell police body cameras 353 00:27:34,476 --> 00:27:36,776 to police all across America. 354 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:39,577 All of that data from all of those officers 355 00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:40,980 is actually really valuable 356 00:27:41,015 --> 00:27:43,215 for other non-law enforcement purposes. 357 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:46,551 You're really capturing patterns of society. 358 00:27:46,586 --> 00:27:50,455 And if the private companies can use that data for other things, 359 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:53,592 even sell it for other reasons, they're gonna wanna profit. 360 00:27:53,627 --> 00:27:57,695 Part of the reason why we've seen this move toward big data policing, 361 00:27:57,731 --> 00:28:01,267 is because it sounds like an objective move 362 00:28:01,301 --> 00:28:04,470 to sort of turn the page from some of the racial tension 363 00:28:04,505 --> 00:28:05,903 we've seen after Ferguson 364 00:28:05,939 --> 00:28:08,406 and after Baltimore, after Staten island, 365 00:28:08,442 --> 00:28:10,075 to something that sounds more objective. 366 00:28:10,109 --> 00:28:11,809 "Don't worry. This is data-driven." 367 00:28:11,845 --> 00:28:14,746 The problem is, the data comes from us. 368 00:28:14,781 --> 00:28:17,249 And if you're not cautious about how you're collecting 369 00:28:17,284 --> 00:28:19,151 that information and then using it, 370 00:28:19,185 --> 00:28:22,053 you're just gonna reify the same biases. 371 00:28:22,088 --> 00:28:24,321 So, how slippery is the slope we're standing on? 372 00:28:24,356 --> 00:28:26,691 How quickly could this be implemented here? 373 00:28:26,726 --> 00:28:29,826 The technology you see in China exists, 374 00:28:29,862 --> 00:28:33,197 it's working, and it can do the same thing here. 375 00:28:33,231 --> 00:28:38,134 Right now, our sort of regulatory legislative action just isn't there. 376 00:28:38,171 --> 00:28:41,204 We don't have protections to say it couldn't happen. 377 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,773 Young people growing up in America today 378 00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:46,242 are pretty used to being surveilled by their phones 379 00:28:46,278 --> 00:28:49,179 and their Facebooks and their Snapchats, and the rest. 380 00:28:49,213 --> 00:28:51,580 We might have different constitutional protections, 381 00:28:51,616 --> 00:28:52,848 but it's still unsettled, 382 00:28:52,884 --> 00:28:55,050 and it's an open question about how we react, 383 00:28:55,086 --> 00:28:58,387 and I hope we start asking those questions to react now. 31204

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