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Previously on The Kardashians. We are over budget, over time. I feel like no

matter where I turn, there's just stress after stress.

Is Vegas on track?

Nothing's on track.

Which is obviously adulting.

Do you not have any joy?

Yeah, when I see my kids.

You know, everything's happened with my mom. Like, I needed someone that could

help me through this, and you answered the call. Is he driving you crazy?

I mean... I've survived this long. Yeah.

I just love helping people and helping

to slowly change the system. It's something that I just feel like I have

in this lifetime. And I'll never stop doing that. You see something that's

and you say, I can't accept it. I've got to say something. Yeah. That's what our

justice system is all about.

Well, I'm here to say something.

What was my dad not doing that made you want to

look elsewhere?

I thought that the grass was greener somewhere else. That's my life's biggest

regret.

Oh, where are you going?

You're going to swim here?

No. We are in Palm Springs, California, Easter weekend. We come here every year.

Every kid, every sibling, the Easter egg hunts, the bunnies, everything.

We get all this quality time with all the kids.

Can you go see if there's any frogs out there?

Yeah.

We are just Easter bunneying it up.

Guys?

Guys, it's just me. Hi.

What are you doing?

Just hanging out.

I feel like I've been on the road nonstop.

I was just in London. Oh my gosh. Who's excited?

Paris. We are on the pitch. It's at the PSV game. This is crazy.

And I snuck a trip too.

japan in between all of this we're just gonna end our spring break with even

more memories in palm spring hi court hi lady saint went to go play soccer at

the park yeah um where are you guys at now

everything's all good i mean we're here yeah how did you guys get to a good

place knowing that the

goal was like not about who's right or wrong, just like moving past it and

getting to a better place.

And then once we were through the edit, I feel like it was like, we can breathe.

We can move on.

We can be cool.

Know that everything's okay.

Yeah.

Nothing really happened. Like we didn't have a talk, like nothing even really

happened. I think we're just all kind of the same where we just don't want to

have a deep talk about it. We just want to move on. Just sweep it under the rug.

Just move on.

Yep.

Sweep, sweep.

Oh.

Hey. Hi.

Oh, somebody looks cute. Wow.

It's like the kissing bunny is here. Were you guys talking about me or

something? Like, why are you so quiet now? We were talking about you. Yeah, we

were.

Penelope, I want to take you to a farm and go see all of her horses and

What do you think? P, do you want to come?

Okay. I got one taker. North will go.

It's so cute.

Life is so crazy right now.

But I really want to focus on spending more time with my grandchildren because

that really does make me so happy. They have a whole beautiful equestrian

center. I think I get so distracted and so busy with other things that I really

want to make it a point to plan some fun activities for the grandkids.

Can you ever have a day with some grandkids without a nanny? Yes.

Well, she's never had all the kids before at one time without help. Hey,

hungry? There's food over there. But I know she's raised all of us, so I know

she can do it. Do you guys want to sit at the table?

Yeah. But it's just hard to release control.

What's up with your lot here? We walked by it this morning, and what are you

doing with that lot?

Listen, I may sell it to get out of a couple things. So Tristan

and I bought...

two lots together in palm springs when we were together here we are many moons

later and we still own these lots together and i definitely think that

won't give up his end of the lot i don't even want to build yeah hopefully time

will get the best of him and he'll sell me the other half oh my god you guys

i've never even told you what you know yeah you're gonna do the bachelorette

Yeah. So I decided I'm going to do a TV show, Ryan Murphy show, called American

Horror Story.

That's amazing. Isn't that crazy?

It's amazing. It came about because we were having dinner at my house.

And I wasn't even going to come.

I know. We were like, just come.

Ryan was coming over for dinner with his husband.

We started chatting at dinner.

And then he kept on saying, I really want you to do an American Horror Story.

wrote a part for her.

Just for Kim.

Listen, what happened to my part, Ryan?

Huh? And he did the OJ show, which I thought was so fascinating. Remember

OJ series?

Yeah, where Ross played Dad?

Uh -huh.

I am very nervous.

You're going to be so great. Because I'm just not an actress, you know?

Yeah, but you really are.

I think it's just fun to try something new. I really just want new energy.

I said every year I was going to try to do something that was a challenge, work

-wise.

I'm almost done with school. I just finished two more classes.

I have, like, three or four more left.

I can knock them out in, like, ten months.

I cannot wait for you to be done with that.

That'll free up half of my day.

I just feel like Kim can tell me tomorrow she's running for presidency,

like, all right, girl, do your thing. For Kim, it's just, it's another day.

I'm ready for a nap.

Yeah.

I know I'm supposed to slow down, but I can't because this is like a huge

production. So not really slowing down?

No. I'm just excited to get out of Calabasas.

You're never in Calabasas. What do you mean?

You're always out of town. Mom thinks you are gone all the time. I think

living your life.

I just don't think that you're there enough to say I need to get out of

Calabasas.

Oh, my God, I had the hardest week with the kids. It was, like, comical, if you

think about it.

Really? Courtney's definitely the one that I go to for my mom advice, and,

I think her and I have, like, a lot in common when it comes to parenting stuff.

I think we also have older kids, and so we go through more similar things.

No matter what. Like, she'd drop anything.

for us to have like parenting advice i don't care what kind of fight we're in

like she knows the kind of shit that i'd be going through i can understand the

kind of shit that she'd be going through and that's how our relationship's

always been north was throwing a fit trying to get her in the car it's so

draining for me after like an hour hour and a half yeah but i literally was in

the car and i was like driving to school in the pouring rain and i was like

hysterically crying but shy was right behind me so she couldn't see that i was

crying but oh my god and i was like

I just got to get to school.

So we're in the car and Shai's like, Mom, I have to go potty. We were on that

long strip to where there's like nowhere to pull over. I didn't have a cup. I

didn't have anything.

Couldn't she just squat on the side of the road? It was pouring rain. Oh, it

raining. She's going to lay outside in the rain. And I'm just like, and she's

going to cry and she's so clingy and she holds my leg.

It depends on the day. And then nothing was good enough. I took St.

On this trip, he was so excited, but then North was furious, and she wouldn't

speak to me because she didn't get an alone trip.

And I'm like, you always get alone trips. But what if you don't make it so

extreme and do, like, a private dinner?

with North or something, go on a walk, go on a hike, go to tea.

Even if you spend like, I'll do with rain, like where we're just sitting and

like talking and like have like real focus attention. Yeah. I need to do

It doesn't have to be like a crazy thing, you know? Yeah. I think I have a

gentle approach with my kids. I find with my kids that coming from

a more loving approach works best.

And I feel that way, but with a little bit of tough love in there, too, and a

little bit of frazzled, shit, what the fuck is going on? Get the fuck over

for, like, energy also. It's like, go to bed.

I'd be like, it's 10 o 'clock and you're still up? Go to bed.

Like, you're driving me crazy, you know? So I definitely think we're different,

like, in that way.

Yes. You know? I get frazzled.

And then North, she'll go to her dad. She'll be like, Dad is the best. He has

all figured out. He doesn't have a nanny. He doesn't have a chef.

He doesn't have security.

He lives in an apartment. And she'll start crying. Why don't you have an

apartment? I can't believe we don't have an apartment. They do that at God's

too. Like, Dad has the best house.

Your house sucks.

He has the best house. It's not super big. The vibe's better. I feel like

everything falls on the parent that's, like, more involved.

Yeah. But, like, we make our own food. That's amazing that you make ramen, you

know? Like, great, you know, that you boil water and pour it onto some

Yeah. I do make pancakes every morning, and that...

Has been a game changer. They love it because we're sitting at the table and

they're happier.

Yeah. Except for one wants a smoothie, one wants this, one wants that. So I say

like one of you, they rotate like choosing breakfast.

But like, oh my God, I just need a day.

Which one of you is more like your mom?

Me. In terms of being a mom?

Me. For sure.

I mean, she gets worked up.

Like when she gets frazzled where she's just like, get over here, Kimberly. You

know? Get over here now.

Get over here now.

Yeah. You know? And then you'd be like, okay.

You know, get off my arm.

You know? And I can see I don't grab the arm. But boy, do I want to.

For sure the same energy as my mom. And I used to see it in myself until I did

the work.

I'm like literally dozing.

Take a nap.

I think I will for like 30 minutes. Take one here if you don't want any of your

kids around.

Hi.

Hi, guys.

Oh, Dream is here?

We're home at my house.

P,

Coco's going to come grab you on the golf cart.

Tristan's with them. Is that okay?

Okay. I feel like she gets it from me. I told her like the first day of school,

I was like so triggered by him. I don't know why.

And then I was like,

right. I know why. But I was like.

I feel like we all, like, brush it off and are fine, and then I was just, like,

so triggered, and I was like, I just can't do it anymore. Like, I just can't.

Tristan has made horrible decisions and choices, you know, with my sister.

There's times when I'm so triggered by him I can't be around him, and then

there's times when I just let it go because we just want harmony, and, you

he's the father of...

my niece and nephew.

Hi.

Wow. No, that view is pretty special. Yeah.

Oh, really? Oh, do you want a tour?

So this is the casita.

I'm really proud of myself for where me and Tristan are and how

I am able to allow him.

To be the father he wants to be. But where I am at with Tristan has nothing

do with what I expect my family members to do. If Penelope has her feelings

about Tristan, rightfully so.

I'm good for you, girl. And that's Penelope's room. The second master.

Oh, yeah.

Because she's the second queen of the castle. I want Penelope to have these

feelings. And I don't want to talk her out of them. Because I don't want...

behavior to be something that I'm validating or I'm justifying. I want her

know that how she's feeling is the right way to feel. We should not accept

someone treating us like this.

The question is, do you do the Kylie house where I'm plugged from the world

like, I'm done with L .A. and this is it? Or you do more like what Court does?

There's two ways to look at it.

Like, who's getting the lot?

Or we could just split our lots back in two, and you can have one and I could

have one, but then we're still next to each other.

That makes no point. You might as well just, you know.

Tristan's hoping I'm just going to forget.

I'll never forget.

You continue to, you know.

Work on yourself.

Work on yourself and, you know, keep chipping away. I wish I could work on

forgetting things.

I just can't anymore.

Let time figure it out. We have, like I said, like, I look at every lot. Right

now, he is convinced that we are.

going to build this house and i don't know if he thinks that we're going to do

this like together as in a couple or we're just doing this and we're going to

like have a co -op and we're just going to like share this home that we built

together let's go back home and take showers who's with me okay yeah i don't

know where his head is at but one of us will break eventually either i'll sell

it to him or he'll sell it to me so we'll figure it out hi

Tristan, later I want to hear your plan about Chloe forgetting.

I have thoughts on how you could make it. He wants to go with you. Stay

Okay.

All right, guys.

We'll be wrapped up, trapped up, stuck with each other.

Can you hear me?

Oh, okay.

Good already.

Heck no.

Someone is late.

Somebody didn't tell me that you were back from the store.

After talking to Courtney, she really encouraged me to do small things with my

kids, like one -on -one cooking stuff. Let me season this chicken. Whatever the

kids want to do, and North loves to cook.

Tell them the movies you made me watch last night. Tell them what you're into.

You watch Tupac.

Everyone thinks I don't know Tupac, but I do.

She loves Tupac.

That same girl, same.

I'm making a cucumber roll.

You know, I'm an ambidextrous.

I can do it with both hands.

Oh, wow.

You should FaceTime Auntie Kendall.

Don't cut your hand.

So first, you have to cut.

It's straightly. Mm -hmm.

Norris is really special and smart and creative.

A little cross -hatching.

And definitely beats to her own drum.

Like, her personality is really, really silly.

I go like that.

Wait, that's zucchini.

Hmm? This is a zucchini?

Oh, they're different.

Should we call the chef in?

No, we're doing this on our own.

I'm going to stick to what I know.

My second time rolling sushi.

It's so interesting because her temperament as a child is like the same

You definitely just come out your own person.

Guys, a little secret.

You lick it as you go. You think that's sanitary.

Courtney always says North is my lesson on this planet.

What does that mean, is your lesson?

It means that I'm supposed to learn even more patience.

She teaches me patience.

She has taught me a lot about life. Come here.

Show me your shirt.

Oh, good. We got it to work.

Dorothy, I'm going to a prison soon.

Can you eat it like that?

Yeah. You want some?

No, thanks.

You're just going to eat an onion like an apple. This is what she does, people.

She eats veggies like apples.

I love spending this time with North right now just because I'm about to go

Pelican Bay and visit a prison there.

And any time I can talk to her about what I do and why I do it is really

important to me.

What do you think about the work your mom does?

What does she do?

The prison work. You help someone and then they pay it forward and then they

the same thing.

It's just really important for my kids, all of them, to see what it's like to

help someone else and to put someone else first. And there's no better way

through example.

Oh,

my gosh, this onion breath is going to make me cry.

No, it's so strong. Oh, my gosh, my eyes are literally tearing.

How do you not tear?

We're the best, Chef.

All right, I'm going to take the kids.

Ladies!

Where's my little ladies?

Hi!

Are you ready to go on an adventure?

Oh my God, hi guys!

I was thinking of something to do with the kids because school's out and what

better way to, you know, spend a day than on the ranch.

Okay, let's go!

Little lady, we're going to go to the elevator.

Okay. We're going to have fun, guys.

My mom is taking Shrew and Stormy alone.

And I'm going because, well, I'm following secretly because my mom won't

go.

It's just her car.

Oh,

it is? I am here.

I came to say goodbye.

Hi. Hi, Star. We were doing just fine.

Hi.

Oh.

My girl. All right, popsicles. Let's get in the car.

No, I'm not.

Okay. Everybody get in their seat. I love you guys. Have so much fun.

Love you. Me next. Okay, bye, guys.

I think it's wild that I invited 12 grandchildren and I got two.

Okay, so here's some snack, animal crackers, because

we're going to go see the animals.

Get it?

No?

Hello? How's it going? We're fine.

A slime game on... Oh, Stormy, sorry. You could take

their iPads away and play... Oh, that would make me popular.

You could play I Spy. Okay, I got to go. Or tell them the animal game.

Okay, let's play the animals game.

Bye, Chloe.

Okay, let's play I Spy.

There are so many snacks in here. I don't know where your mother thought we

going.

We could go through no storm with all this food.

You said my name, Rosie.

Who said your name?

You. That's Storm.

Storm.

Look at the purple flowers.

Right there.

Right there. My girlfriend has a farm that I adore. And I've always wanted to

bring my grandkids for a little trip to her petting zoo.

Riding ring.

Whoa, guys.

And I have to do a Japanese cat.

How cool is this?

Oh, look at the donkey.

Look at all the goats right there.

Hi, Miguel.

Welcome. Thank you. We have some cookies. If he wants to give cookies to

mini horses.

Do you want to give the horses some cookies?

Yeah. I'll show you how to do it. Do you want to try? Yeah.

Come on, guys.

They're very friendly. Don't be afraid, okay?

Oh.

You don't have to. I can do it.

I'll give him one.

Okay.

He tickles.

Listen, I know my mom obviously birthed six kids.

But it's been a minute.

And I can't handle this stress. And trust me, my mom does not want me to be

calling her nonstop. So I'm just going to go.

A horse is out.

Uh -oh.

And my mom.

God bless her.

She's easily distracted.

I just don't know if there's a huge horse stampeding through. Will she grab

kid? I don't know. I'm just thinking all these thoughts.

Come on. Come on, ladies.

Dormy, let's go.

We're getting popsicles.

Popsicles? They were in the car the whole time?

Okay, good.

We have a little history here on the first day of pre -k.

Well, I did take through to pre -K, and then I just stayed.

So I didn't follow anyone.

I just stayed on campus.

Do you want to get on the pony, Stormy? Yeah. Okay. Yay.

All right, everybody.

You can have one.

You have a lot of friends here, Stormy. I get excited about cookies, too, don't

you, Stormy? Look at the goat's eyes. Come here, quick.

I don't see.

This is great. The kids are doing amazing.

Look at their eyes.

Isn't that crazy?

It's really fun.

Let me take a photo.

One, two. I don't know, but see. Wait.

Drizzle. Drizzle, stand next to Stormy.

Oh, my God.

Wait a minute.

Is that your mom?

Chloe's here.

Did you guys know Chloe was coming? For real?

Mama!

And how sneaky.

How sneaky.

What are you doing here?

Hi, guys.

Mom, I couldn't let you have all the fun without me.

Does she not trust me or something? What's happening? Hi!

They haven't seen each other in days. Are you okay?

Are you guys okay? Yeah, they're just fine.

What's wrong with you? Well, they don't look like it. Look at them.

What's wrong?

Clinging to me.

Are you okay? Clinging to you?

What'd you do to them?

Is this a joke?

What happened to that car?

Don't play into her. Are you guys okay?

Chloe, you drove over to spy on me. She totally hijacked my

date with my grandkids. And this is Chloe, the life of the party. Hi.

I have no shame in my game. I'm here. Really? And I'm proud.

She made you look at the animal.

She made you do that? Who wants to go to the horse barn?

No. Huh?

Oh, wow.

Okay.

I'm not going to go with you.

I'm going to stay with you. I'm going to stay with you. Okay, girl.

Five minutes ago, they didn't even know she existed.

All they cared about was the donkey and the ponies.

And the pigs and the goats, they didn't care about where Mom was. Mom, can I

ride a horse? Let's go up to the horse table.

Yeah, of course.

But if Chloe comes riding in, can't handle a little competition.

I don't like walking.

You don't like walking? Well, do you want me to carry you?

Mom, you can't carry her. Yeah, I can. You have a bad hip. Here.

Not anymore. That's why. It's titanium.

Wow.

Wow.

Well, just one day.

That's all I asked for.

You're pretty strong, Coco.

I'm not sorry that I came. I'm very happy I did.

And I think the kids are, too.

Calm down.

Oh, my God. Look at how fabulous.

First of all, did you forget that I have raised six kids and I have a little bit

of experience taking people to a petting zoo? Yeah, 40 years ago.

Hi, Hunter.

He's kind of a little lazy. But he's not, like, skittish? No, he's mellow.

Things have changed in three years. No, not a farm. And, Mom, you don't know how

to put them in the car seat.

Like, things have changed. Well, they didn't even have car seats when I had

kids. That's what's so scary.

Come on.

Oh, my gosh.

Run on the grass.

Woo -hoo!

Go, ladies!

Let's go, Hunter.

Hunter isn't listening.

Hunter, let's go.

Maybe loosen the reins a little.

What? You've never been on a horse.

Come on, Hunter.

Yes. There you go.

Yes. There it is. She's running. True, look, your mommy's running on the horse.

Chloe looked so happy on that horse.

And actually, I think it's an extra blessing that she's here today.

Woo!

Days like this are delicious.

Mama! Yes?

I want you to get up.

Well, guess what?

Thank you.

Woo!

I've had the best time because I got to take my granddaughters on an adventure.

And I snuck along. And this one surprised me. Oh, boy!

She's like my bonus kid today. So we had a really great time. I love sharing.

I'm really your kid.

I know. But like the bonus of having one of you with me, like an extra bonus,

like a little surprise.

Yeah. Yay.

Malika and I just landed in Crescent City, which is in Northern California

Pelican Bay Prison.

Thanks, guys.

Malika always asks me about the work that I do, and she's like a really

empathetic person, and I think that she would have a lot to say and has a great

platform, and I'm just grateful that a new group of people gets to hear and be

inspired.

It's normal that I'm a little nervous.

There's nothing to be nervous over.

If it's, like, a safety issue, like, when I first went into, like, San

they gave me a full, like, breakdown. Like, you're so safe, you're so

They don't get people.

We're going to meet with people that were incarcerated, maybe, like, lifers

had, like, life sentences and then got out after, like, 20 years, 25 years. So

you'll get to see.

That you might have this, like, stigma of, like, what people are like or what,

it's just, they're just like us.

Complete opposite. It might have made some, like, choices that we wouldn't

or, like, just some really bad circumstances that, like, things like

and I'm like, okay, this is what I want to teach our boys.

We're going to meet with Scott Budnick, and he is the person that brought me to

my first prison. And he has an organization called ARC, which is Anti

-Recidivism Coalition.

Good to meet you. I've heard so much about you. Hi, I'm Kimmy. Scott helped

many people get out, and I just learn more and more every year and open myself

up to helping. So that's why I'm here.

Malika was saying to me in the car that she's nervous and she's scared to go.

Yeah. But, like, is that a normal feeling people have? I think it's a

mean, I was scared to go the first time.

Yeah. Okay, good. Then I feel normal. Yeah.

When you see the, like, hope and joy that, like, you bring just by showing

like, no one comes here.

Definitely not a Kardashian.

And so to be able to see people who care, right, and are here just to be

supportive, like, it's a beautiful thing.

I think you'll come out inspired by the guys you meet. And, like, I think you'll

come out hopeful.

We're going to meet with a group of prisoners at Pelican Bay Prison to hear

their experiences are like.

The irony of this place, you're probably in the most beautiful spot in all of

California. And, like, all the healing properties of nature, but no one in the

prison ever gets to experience any of this.

You know, every time Scott calls me and there's an opportunity or a situation, I

definitely want to be a part of it.

I mean, that's intense. There's no way to get away from that.

Yeah. Yeah, the cages is what really got me.

Our cameras couldn't come in and see, but it was really powerful.

One of the most disconcerting things that I saw was just people inside cages,

12 foot high and probably only like this wide, maybe only like three feet wide.

But I think I want to be really clear.

I believe that if someone does commit a violent crime, there has to be

consequences. I think sometimes people feel like anyone that works on reform is

just super easy on crime, and that's not the case.

You can see someone's rap sheet and then just automatically form an opinion of

them, but then if you understand why they got to the place that led them to

those decisions, you would completely change your mind.

Some really deserve second chances.

And just being open to hearing their story, I think, is just super important.

Like I was telling Kim, I was like, my jaws were so tight because I didn't want

to cry in front of them. Oh, wow.

Like, I mean, I did end up crying.

Yes, and that's fine, by the way, because it gives them permission to cry

Just the cages killed me.

The cages just felt like animals.

Yeah.

Malika, when you, when he was crying in the cage and you put your finger up and

you guys touched fingers in the cage, that was... So

now

we're going to have

lunch with some of the guys from ARC and they've all been lifers that have

gotten... second chances and gotten out, and now they work at ARC, and even some

of the guys have been in Pelican Bay.

When you can hear what other people have been through and they can be open and

share their stories and then talk about how they never gave up, it's really

inspiring. All of us were incarcerated.

In the same institution.

On average, everybody spent at least 20 years of incarceration.

Let's do a quick roundhouse.

How much time you were sentenced to and how much time did you do? 27 years to

life, and I served 32.

50 years to life at my sentence commuted by government grounds. I served 16

years off that 50 to life.

I was sentenced to 30 years of life, and I served 22 years off. I was

incarcerated at 18 years old, sentenced to life without parole for 40 years, and

I served 23 and a half years.

I was sentenced to 28 years, ended up serving 20 years.

I was sentenced to 26 years to life and did 21 years, 4 months, 3 weeks, 6 days.

I was sentenced to 25 plus 2 life sentences plus 20 years. And I did 25

and maybe 3 or 4 days off of that.

I was sentenced to 30 years to life plus another 11 and I ended up doing 20.

Wow.

I don't know how many of you guys are in therapy, but, like, there you go.

That's what I'm talking about.

I'm proud to admit that my therapist has been, like, a godsend as far as my

healing because, like, on one hand, we're told, like, we have to be tough

because we survived all of this crazy shit.

But, like, no, man, the world expanding in front of our eyes from these tiny

little cages to, like, this great big world is huge.

I always like to ask this because I'm just always so curious.

What was your first meal when you guys got out?

In -N -Out.

That wouldn't be mine.

You know, for years I sat in prison. I wanted a big old New York steak.

I got out. That was the first thing I went to do was get a big old steak. My

was hurting the next day because we weren't used to eating meat.

I've been to prisons before.

I've experienced this. Malika hasn't, so this was her first time.

The number one thing that I'm hearing,

that is the problem is not being fixed like everyone gets stuck in a cycle of

how they grew up so it's just like how do you get people to really make those

changes so that they don't have that like cyclical problem of the same

problems growing up with the gangs and growing up with parents that aren't

like i don't have the answers right now we're doing this on us on the opposite

end of the pipeline.

People are already getting into prisons, and we're trying to find a way to get

them out, not return.

We need to start at the beginning of that pipeline to say, how can we stop

flow of them ever getting in to begin with?

And what comes with that is healthier families, healthier communities.

That is how you stop the transgenerational mass incarceration or

gangs, as you mentioned.

My last year incarcerated, they spent over $100 ,000 in that year to keep me

a cave. How much therapy could you provide in a grade school for you to

stop them from going to prison?

I just really believe in redemption. I believe in rehabilitation.

Like, who in their life has been perfect and hasn't made bad decisions?

What is the driving point for you to want to do the work that you're doing?

I think I just saw something on Twitter, like a little video that someone had

made on a girl's case. She was someone that answered the phone and was like a

phone mule.

I was like, how does this happen? How does that make sense?

It just, like, opened up my heart.

I just really connected to that.

Once I realized the influence that I have and that people were listening, I

couldn't stop, and I wanted to get more and more involved.

Noah, your mother is literally in history books now as a person that

my case and humanized it. I was able to help you, and then I learned so much

along the way.

Was like, I can't stop here. There's so much more I have to do. There's so many

more Alice's out there. Like we have to help. You gave me like purpose.

You gave me freedom.

And then the president signed the first step back, which has let out 30 ,000

people. And my attorneys, they wrote that bill.

So it was like a ripple effect and it kept going. And then you're just like,

wait, how can I do more? And so.

I've been working.

on prison reform work for about five years now and as time has gone on and as

i've helped more people my empathy has grown more and more and i have a lot

compassion than you know i did a year ago and then i did it 10 years ago if

people have really shown that they can change why wouldn't we give people a

second chance I want to thank you for really putting your heart into making

system better.

It means a lot to the men inside, so thank you so much. Well, we have to all

take a selfie.

Oh, we get a selfie.

Wait, hold on. Hold on. Let's see.

Malika, get in. Okay.

Tim, what was it like seeing someone with your face tattooed on their body in

prison? Oh, my God.

I was honored.

I was honored. It was cool.

Hello.

Hello. Where's Ms. Truthall?

Cool. What else is happening?

A lot and nothing all at the same time.

After Chloe and I went to my friend's farm, I've been trying to figure out

her next chapter might be. She's so funny and so smart and so articulate,

she's so great with people. And I thought, wow, you know what? I would

listen to Chloe's point of view on so many different things. I really feel

strongly that you should have a podcast, which now everybody's doing it from

their house.

You could come over. You could go to Kylie Cosmetics down the street, and you

could record there once a week, whatever it took. I think you would really be a

person I would listen to, and you're my daughter.

But you have to weigh out risk versus reward.

Let's just say I'm talking about Caitlyn, and I accidentally say Bruce

second. Then I go, oh, Kate, you know, like.

I would know it was an innocent mistake. Right. It wouldn't be with malice

intent. That little thing that seems so innocent, I could be annihilated for.

I get Khloe's point about the Kardashian name because it does draw a lot of

attention. And if she says the wrong thing, I understand where that fear is.

But fear is like fire. It can either heat your home or

burn your house down.

It can go both ways. I think she's got to get over this fear that she holds

inside and have the confidence to be able to go out there into the world and

share what her special gift is. You could do so many great things on a

As I appreciate all of that, and I'm sure I'd be good at a lot of things,

I can't take on other responsibilities like that, like starting something

completely new because I don't have a team to lean on. Like I don't have a

management team.

You are only there until the contract is signed and then you dissipate.

Until you want to bring me a next contract, which that's your choice.

your 60s. You've managed your ass off for all of us. You've got us to all

we are. I'm not complaining about that. I'm just pointing it out. I don't have a

middleman to go to, to say, I need help here, X, Y, and Z. You have no idea how

I don't sleep, how I can't do any of the things that I should be doing because

I'm trying to fix that have happened. I understand that.

I look at the glass half full. I always have. And so I'm just here to say, let's

really look forward and think about the positive. But then if I go ahead and I

take on this podcast deal, I'm overwhelmed with work that I'm doing

all on my own because I have no team, no support.

And so before I take on another project, I need to fix the 20 that are so up.

And I don't know even how to do that. And you don't know how to do that.

if you did, it would have been fixed by now.

And it's not.

I think one of my frustrations with you is there's not a lot of follow through

after something is done. And this is me talking to you as my manager.

When you are on your vacations, when you're in other countries, when you're

dinners, lunches.

You know, you might be on a yacht for two weeks, which you should be. You have

an assistant that will say, we can't do this unless we talk to Chris.

And then when I get a hold of you hours later, that makes me boil in whatever my

issue is.

Her and I are very similar in that we like to control things and we like to do

everything ourselves. And it's not a knock on her, but there's no possible

that she could do everything on her own.

And have everyone feel that they're equally taken care of.

When you want to take on multiple clients, you have to fulfill their

and different needs. You don't give enough to each one because you

can't. That's not a fair statement. I agree that it's very difficult for me to

be in two places at the same time. Right. I understand your frustration.

We would build a team with a company who said they have a complete production

facility. They completely build a team around you. I don't trust that because

I've never had a team built in one of the other jobs I've ever had since I've

been working for you. Well, you and I disagree.

There's issues that I have with my manager, not my mom, my manager.

When I try to address those issues, I get a lot of pushback. And it's

always like either a guilt trip, things that a mom would do.

And those lines get really blurred. They're very gray.

Do I have one person, that good American, that represents me?

Also, from my management side, who can I call besides you that can give me an

answer and help me immediately?

Because I can't name...

one person i never feel like there's people that are looking out for me i

to do it all on my own in every single category and job i have if i

go ahead and i take on this podcast deal i don't have faith that it's going to

go the way you are so nonchalantly like that's going to be great you're

disappointed in my you know performance and i i feel terrible about that I

want to find the thing that makes you happy. That's my job. You have a really

big following and a really big voice. And I think you would be somebody that

everybody would want to listen to.

I think you're missing the whole.

I'm not. I get what you're saying. But I think we just look at it differently. I

don't know one thing I said that was not.

I think we just look at it. I'm not saying it wasn't. I think your

Listen, I just said if you want to do a podcast, we'll build a team. That's what

I'm getting at. And what I'm getting at is I'm not going to continue the

conversation and I'm not talking to this bullshit that you keep trying.

Okay. Because I'm never.

We put a Band -Aid over a bullet hole. Oh, my God. And she likes to patronize

and be like, oh, everything's fine, we'll work on it. It's all bullshit.

I'm so turned off from all of this. You don't even understand what I'm saying,

okay? Because you're just somewhere else. You're spiraling.

It's almost like I'm trying to take my stance and be like I'm not going to take

on other jobs.

Okay. The point is. Okay.

No, no, no.

You're not going to okay me.

Okay, I get the point. I'm not going to keep belaboring this whole thing over

and over again. But we need to if you haven't understood. I don't want to

more. I don't want to put salt on your wounds right now.

But who cares about my wounds?

I want your wounds to be necessarily taken care of.

But how are you doing so? Calm down, Chloe. You're just getting upset again.

it's festering into all these other things that aren't.

It's just not healthy for you, babe.

It's not healthy. You're so mad.

Let's throw a podcast into it.

I don't know if my mom fully understands everything that's happening in my life.

I don't know. I don't have a lot of expectations, I guess.

Why?

Without expectations, you don't get hurt with anything.

I think I've had so many expectations for so many years, and they've always...

Fall in short.

And so just easier to just not expect anything and then just be grateful with

what you get.

I don't know.

Maybe it's like a defense mechanism. I have no idea, but it's just, it's what

serves me better.

My heart's in the right place. I just want the best for you. If you don't want

to do a podcast, don't do a podcast. If this isn't in your heart, then you don't

want to do it.

I don't like to see Chloe upset.

I'm very solution -based.

So when I let somebody down or I disappoint anybody or make somebody sad

I want to fix it.

And I want to find a way to make Chloe happy.

I want you to do something that's in your heart.

I don't have a lot of things in my heart in general these days.

I understand.

Next on The Kardashians.

Chloe's mad at me because I haven't been paying enough attention to her. She

thinks I can be in four places at the same time. Things haven't been resolved

with me and my mom. We definitely need to talk things out.

Wow. Hi, Howie. High five.

According to my kids, there's not enough of me to go around.

Problem solved.

Hi,

Chloe.

Welcome home.

Hi.

No, is she really talking to me? Come on over here. Come to mama.

Chris Appleton has been doing my hair for a really long time. He's like my

husband. Today is the big day.

We are in Vegas and we're about to get married.

Guys, I've never done this before and I haven't even rehearsed. I was rushing

and I forgot to invite Chloe.

What really stung was that she went to Usher.

Bang, bang, hit that frame.

Let me see you do your thing like whoa.

Like whoa. Like whoa.

Like whoa.

Hop, hop, feet don't stop.

Let me see you pop and drop like whoa.

Like whoa. Like whoa.

Like whoa. Let's go.

Yeah. Cause I've been like that. Like that. Got no chill like that. Move on

back. Let me show you how it's done.

Bang, bang, hit that brain.

Let me see you do your thing like whoa.

Like whoa. Like whoa.

Like whoa.

Hop, hop, feet don't stop. Let me see you pop and drop like whoa.

Like whoa. Like whoa.

Like whoa. Let's go.

Guess who shows up?

Little Miss Buzzkill.

Let's not talk about when I came over on a Friday at 6 p .m. because I was

bothering your dateline on East Coast Feed Time.

Oh. So you didn't want to play Simon Says then with your, I had about nine of

your grandkids that day. And you were like, the eyes that you gave me.

Oh, I know what that means.

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