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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,375 --> 00:00:30,047 - So... 2 00:00:30,130 --> 00:00:33,802 when Glen and I first got married, 3 00:00:33,886 --> 00:00:39,935 his parents gave us, as a wedding gift, um, 4 00:00:40,017 --> 00:00:43,231 a little house that they had in Pennsylvania. 5 00:00:43,314 --> 00:00:45,734 They had it since they were married back in, 6 00:00:45,817 --> 00:00:48,570 I don't know, '69, 7 00:00:48,655 --> 00:00:53,369 and now they spend their summers in a bigger house 8 00:00:53,452 --> 00:00:57,207 that they moved into that's right near the little house 9 00:00:57,290 --> 00:00:58,876 and I think that they partly gave it to us 10 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,295 so that they could see Glen's kids more, 11 00:01:01,379 --> 00:01:05,802 since we would be spending all of our summers right by them, 12 00:01:05,885 --> 00:01:12,685 uh, which I didn't mind at all, because I liked them, and... 13 00:01:12,768 --> 00:01:16,690 And... I don't know. 14 00:01:16,774 --> 00:01:21,989 But after all the chapters in my life being married to you, 15 00:01:22,071 --> 00:01:24,033 having the kids, 16 00:01:24,116 --> 00:01:28,831 the... whole mess, divorce, 17 00:01:28,914 --> 00:01:32,251 teaching public high school, 18 00:01:32,335 --> 00:01:35,506 I'd stopped really giving a shit about my own personal space, you know? 19 00:01:35,590 --> 00:01:38,051 It was just like, well, everybody, hey, come on in, 20 00:01:38,134 --> 00:01:41,263 you know, take whatever you want. 21 00:01:41,346 --> 00:01:44,017 So we started going there every summer. 22 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:45,853 And it's really nice there. 23 00:01:45,936 --> 00:01:48,773 Just tall trees for days. 24 00:01:48,857 --> 00:01:52,110 Um, something about a place that gets so cold in the winter, 25 00:01:52,193 --> 00:01:54,112 'cause in the summer, there's all this moisture, 26 00:01:54,196 --> 00:01:57,326 and so there's still these pockets of cool air, 27 00:01:57,409 --> 00:01:59,829 even in the hottest parts of the summer. 28 00:02:02,332 --> 00:02:03,458 I loved it. 29 00:02:03,542 --> 00:02:06,128 And... 30 00:02:06,211 --> 00:02:08,298 Glen's kids would romp 31 00:02:08,381 --> 00:02:13,055 and he loved taking them fishing, 32 00:02:13,137 --> 00:02:14,931 and there was a horse farm nearby 33 00:02:15,015 --> 00:02:18,561 and they would all borrow horses and go riding 34 00:02:18,645 --> 00:02:21,815 and, uh, Roger and Beth, Glen's parents, 35 00:02:21,899 --> 00:02:26,196 they would come over almost every night for dinner. 36 00:02:26,279 --> 00:02:30,576 And it was real easy. It, uh... 37 00:02:30,660 --> 00:02:33,580 I didn't mind that it was all Glen's family, 38 00:02:33,664 --> 00:02:36,501 his parents, his kids, and then me. 39 00:02:36,584 --> 00:02:38,419 I was okay with that. 40 00:02:38,503 --> 00:02:43,927 I just thought, well, I can do this for as long as it works. 41 00:02:44,010 --> 00:02:46,806 And it... 42 00:02:50,644 --> 00:02:52,354 Really... 43 00:02:52,437 --> 00:02:57,611 nothing ever went wrong, 44 00:02:57,695 --> 00:03:01,240 'cause nobody had any issues, 45 00:03:01,324 --> 00:03:06,205 Glen's kids and I, we- we never had any bumps or... 46 00:03:09,292 --> 00:03:12,463 It was just real easy. 47 00:03:12,547 --> 00:03:14,675 And I used to love going to sleep in the country 48 00:03:14,758 --> 00:03:17,804 with the bugs buzzing and frogs and... 49 00:03:17,887 --> 00:03:20,473 And then waking up in the quiet, 50 00:03:20,557 --> 00:03:22,935 'cause I used to get up before anybody else did. 51 00:03:23,018 --> 00:03:24,687 That was my time. 52 00:03:24,771 --> 00:03:29,402 And so, also, Roger would come over a lot, Glen's dad. 53 00:03:29,485 --> 00:03:34,159 He's real handy, Glen's not handy, so Roger would come over 54 00:03:34,241 --> 00:03:37,579 and tend to stuff around the little house, 55 00:03:37,662 --> 00:03:40,207 'cause I think he never really let go of the feeling 56 00:03:40,290 --> 00:03:43,503 that that was still his to care for. 57 00:03:43,587 --> 00:03:46,883 And Beth, um... 58 00:03:46,966 --> 00:03:50,637 was just kinda quiet. 59 00:03:50,721 --> 00:03:52,639 Like together they're quiet, 60 00:03:52,723 --> 00:03:56,644 like their whole relationship is... 61 00:03:56,729 --> 00:03:58,522 kind of a secret. 62 00:03:58,606 --> 00:04:01,485 They would come over together and sit and watch everybody 63 00:04:01,568 --> 00:04:03,988 with these two peaceful smiles on their face, 64 00:04:04,071 --> 00:04:06,241 like they're already ghosts, 65 00:04:06,324 --> 00:04:08,702 silently watching over the grandkids, 66 00:04:08,786 --> 00:04:14,835 but by himself, Roger, he- he- he would talk and tell stories. 67 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:17,296 Uh, he... 68 00:04:17,379 --> 00:04:20,091 He's very... 69 00:04:20,176 --> 00:04:23,095 He has that kind of man's ego from another time, 70 00:04:23,179 --> 00:04:25,140 when it wasn't considered just being an asshole, 71 00:04:25,224 --> 00:04:26,934 when it was a virtue, you know, 72 00:04:27,017 --> 00:04:31,314 'cause he grew up in Michigan, and I just think 73 00:04:31,397 --> 00:04:33,442 that it's really interesting to know somebody 74 00:04:33,526 --> 00:04:35,653 that has a quarter-century head start on you. 75 00:04:35,737 --> 00:04:37,989 It's like getting to talk to a time machine. 76 00:04:38,074 --> 00:04:40,952 So he would come over and do stuff around the house, 77 00:04:41,035 --> 00:04:44,748 and I'd make him coffee and he would talk while he worked. 78 00:04:44,832 --> 00:04:46,876 And I would listen and laugh. 79 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,297 He's really funny. 80 00:04:50,380 --> 00:04:53,134 And I'd watch him. 81 00:04:53,218 --> 00:04:55,178 I mean, he's 84. 82 00:04:55,263 --> 00:04:57,890 And in all those years, 83 00:04:57,974 --> 00:05:02,980 he never stopped using his muscles, his body. 84 00:05:03,064 --> 00:05:05,149 So he comes over and works 85 00:05:05,233 --> 00:05:10,364 and, um, usually takes his shirt off after a while, 86 00:05:10,447 --> 00:05:13,995 and when you look at a man's 84-year-old body 87 00:05:14,078 --> 00:05:16,205 and you see the skin turn red 88 00:05:16,289 --> 00:05:20,085 and then sweaty with the work that he's doing 89 00:05:20,168 --> 00:05:21,796 all of his life, 90 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,799 and a man who doesn't have to prove anything 91 00:05:24,883 --> 00:05:29,681 to anybody in that little house. 92 00:05:29,764 --> 00:05:32,810 He would tell me stories about his past in the Navy 93 00:05:32,894 --> 00:05:34,687 and growing up on his parents' farm, 94 00:05:34,770 --> 00:05:39,277 but he- he didn't really care that it was me that he was telling. 95 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,528 He was just being social. 96 00:05:40,612 --> 00:05:43,991 He never looked at me much. 97 00:05:44,074 --> 00:05:45,618 But I would stare at him 98 00:05:45,701 --> 00:05:50,708 'cause I could, 'cause he wasn't looking back. 99 00:05:50,791 --> 00:05:55,340 So this one day when he comes over to fix the porch boards, 100 00:05:55,422 --> 00:05:59,761 he drives up in this little truck that he has. 101 00:05:59,844 --> 00:06:01,889 I can hear the truck from all the way down the hill. 102 00:06:01,972 --> 00:06:05,310 The house is up on a little hill and then there's nothing 103 00:06:05,393 --> 00:06:08,648 but woods between their place and ours. 104 00:06:08,731 --> 00:06:11,609 And so whenever he comes, I hear that little engine, 105 00:06:11,692 --> 00:06:17,409 I hear the- him switching his gears when he comes up the hill. 106 00:06:17,492 --> 00:06:21,873 So it's morning and Glen's got the kids out on the lake 107 00:06:21,957 --> 00:06:25,211 and I'm all alone and I'm sunbathing out on the lawn, 108 00:06:25,294 --> 00:06:26,754 which feels stupid, 109 00:06:26,837 --> 00:06:29,424 but I just wanted to feel the sun on my body 110 00:06:29,507 --> 00:06:32,469 and I'm alone, so who cares? 111 00:06:32,552 --> 00:06:37,768 And I'm laying back in the chaise in my only bikini that I ever- 112 00:06:37,851 --> 00:06:42,191 that I ever, ever bought myself. 113 00:06:42,274 --> 00:06:46,696 And I just let my legs... go open, 114 00:06:46,779 --> 00:06:49,157 'cause I want the sun on the inside of my thighs, 115 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:53,788 and it just feels good to be in the woods 116 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:56,750 alone and letting the sun in, 117 00:06:56,834 --> 00:07:01,716 just splayed like a frog, legs open and... 118 00:07:01,799 --> 00:07:04,386 letting the sun. 119 00:07:04,469 --> 00:07:08,224 And then I hear the little truck. 120 00:07:08,307 --> 00:07:11,854 I hear it, uh, coming. 121 00:07:11,937 --> 00:07:16,526 And I smile like I always do, with my eyes closed. 122 00:07:19,529 --> 00:07:22,533 And I hear it getting nearer and nearer, 123 00:07:22,616 --> 00:07:28,208 and I think, well, right where he's gonna pull in, 124 00:07:28,292 --> 00:07:29,960 he's gonna see me like that, 125 00:07:30,044 --> 00:07:32,297 and here I am with my legs open 126 00:07:32,380 --> 00:07:37,053 and I'd better close them and lay here like a lady does. 127 00:07:37,136 --> 00:07:43,519 And then I thought, oh, well, what if I don't? 128 00:07:43,602 --> 00:07:48,817 What if I lay here with my eyes closed and my legs open 129 00:07:48,901 --> 00:07:51,905 and let him see? 130 00:07:51,988 --> 00:07:55,659 And... 131 00:07:55,743 --> 00:07:59,706 the thought of that, it re- it... 132 00:07:59,790 --> 00:08:04,546 made my heart go really fast. 133 00:08:04,629 --> 00:08:11,263 And I kept my eyes closed and... 134 00:08:11,347 --> 00:08:13,599 the closer that the sound of that little truck got, 135 00:08:13,682 --> 00:08:17,104 the more... 136 00:08:17,187 --> 00:08:22,777 I got... 137 00:08:22,861 --> 00:08:24,279 Oh, my God. 138 00:08:26,533 --> 00:08:30,037 I just stayed there, and, uh... 139 00:08:30,121 --> 00:08:32,207 I tried to sort of make it look like I was sleeping, 140 00:08:32,290 --> 00:08:34,209 but who sleeps like that? 141 00:08:34,292 --> 00:08:40,300 And- and I hear the truck pull into the little space 142 00:08:40,384 --> 00:08:42,302 in front of the house 143 00:08:42,387 --> 00:08:45,558 and I have to- I- 144 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,769 I was breathing so hard, 145 00:08:48,853 --> 00:08:54,068 I thought I was gonna have an orgasm just laying there. 146 00:08:54,152 --> 00:08:58,615 And I hear the truck door squeak open and slam shut, 147 00:08:58,698 --> 00:09:01,660 and I hear his feet in the grass. 148 00:09:01,743 --> 00:09:06,041 He'd take a step, then I hear him stop, 149 00:09:06,125 --> 00:09:10,422 so I know that he's standing there, looking at me. 150 00:09:10,506 --> 00:09:11,965 And I let him. 151 00:09:12,049 --> 00:09:14,428 I just- I just let him look. 152 00:09:14,511 --> 00:09:18,056 And it was so... 153 00:09:18,140 --> 00:09:22,229 It was so dirty. 154 00:09:22,313 --> 00:09:24,356 I don't know, I don't know. 155 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,985 - Why are you telling me this? 156 00:09:27,068 --> 00:09:28,571 - I know, I know, it's weird. 157 00:09:28,654 --> 00:09:30,364 - Yeah. - I know, I know, 158 00:09:30,448 --> 00:09:32,950 'cause I mean, we haven't even talked in years. 159 00:09:33,034 --> 00:09:35,329 Ever since Alice went to college and 'cause now 160 00:09:35,413 --> 00:09:36,872 there finally hasn't been any reason for us... 161 00:09:36,955 --> 00:09:39,042 - Yeah, I guess not. - ... to talk. 162 00:09:39,125 --> 00:09:41,003 - Right. - You probably think I hate you, 163 00:09:41,086 --> 00:09:43,714 and maybe sometimes I do, still, a little bit. 164 00:09:43,797 --> 00:09:45,383 - Maybe I hate you, did you ever...? 165 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:48,471 - Yeah, well, I don't know. I'm sure you do. 166 00:09:48,554 --> 00:09:50,390 But I- can I just keep going? 167 00:09:50,474 --> 00:09:52,644 - Sure. 168 00:09:52,726 --> 00:09:55,939 - Okay. 169 00:09:56,022 --> 00:10:00,654 - You're laying on your back with your legs open in a bikini 170 00:10:00,736 --> 00:10:04,783 and your new 84-year-old dad-in-law 171 00:10:04,866 --> 00:10:08,829 is looking between your legs. 172 00:10:08,913 --> 00:10:10,541 - So yes, he's looking. 173 00:10:10,625 --> 00:10:12,418 And, um... 174 00:10:12,502 --> 00:10:16,423 And I can tell because he's not moving, so, yeah, he's... 175 00:10:16,507 --> 00:10:17,841 he's looking right at me. 176 00:10:17,925 --> 00:10:19,386 Now. 177 00:10:19,469 --> 00:10:21,805 Now, all I can think is, 178 00:10:21,888 --> 00:10:24,643 don't open your eyes, right? 179 00:10:24,726 --> 00:10:27,896 Because if you look back at him, then you did this. 180 00:10:27,980 --> 00:10:30,275 You... That's it. 181 00:10:30,358 --> 00:10:32,277 And you can never take it back. 182 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,903 And now you can't even close your legs 183 00:10:33,988 --> 00:10:36,198 because then you definitely weren't sleeping, 184 00:10:36,283 --> 00:10:42,873 and what would Glen say and sweet Beth and the kids? 185 00:10:42,957 --> 00:10:47,338 And I thought, I'm sick. 186 00:10:47,422 --> 00:10:50,216 I'm corrupt. 187 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:56,224 I just should have left this little family alone. 188 00:10:56,308 --> 00:11:00,062 Glen, he's pure, he's innocent. 189 00:11:00,146 --> 00:11:05,611 His wife died, is all, 190 00:11:05,695 --> 00:11:10,702 and he needed somebody, and here I came, 191 00:11:10,785 --> 00:11:15,791 this fucked-up divorced older lady, 192 00:11:15,874 --> 00:11:20,422 and I'm showing half of my vagina to his 84-year-old dad. 193 00:11:23,634 --> 00:11:25,804 - Did you open your eyes? - No. 194 00:11:25,887 --> 00:11:27,222 No. 195 00:11:27,306 --> 00:11:29,392 I kept 'em closed. 196 00:11:29,476 --> 00:11:34,190 And he was there... 197 00:11:34,273 --> 00:11:38,028 a- a long time. 198 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:42,450 I just felt him there. 199 00:11:42,533 --> 00:11:43,660 I... 200 00:11:47,915 --> 00:11:52,380 It was the most erotic thing ever, 201 00:11:52,463 --> 00:11:56,927 and after I don't even know how long, um, 202 00:11:57,010 --> 00:12:00,431 I heard him start to unload wood from the truck, 203 00:12:00,515 --> 00:12:03,477 so when that first plank of wood hit the porch, I got up, 204 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,814 I pulled a wrap on around my bottom, 205 00:12:05,896 --> 00:12:07,941 I got up, I made him coffee, 206 00:12:08,024 --> 00:12:09,944 and just like always, I watched him work. 207 00:12:10,027 --> 00:12:12,447 He told me stories, but this time, when he talked to me, 208 00:12:12,531 --> 00:12:16,411 he looked right at me and he asked me things 209 00:12:16,494 --> 00:12:21,208 and I talked and he listened and... 210 00:12:21,291 --> 00:12:24,045 And he listened very well. 211 00:12:26,131 --> 00:12:28,467 - Is that all that ever- is that all that happened? 212 00:12:30,345 --> 00:12:33,306 - That's all that happened that day. 213 00:12:33,391 --> 00:12:38,063 I mean, that was it. He... left, 214 00:12:38,147 --> 00:12:40,525 and I didn't even dare masturbate, 215 00:12:40,608 --> 00:12:42,944 because I knew that it would just be too much. 216 00:12:44,447 --> 00:12:46,073 - What happened? 217 00:12:46,157 --> 00:12:47,534 - Okay. 218 00:12:47,617 --> 00:12:52,457 So... I didn't see him for a few days. 219 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:54,333 Him and Beth didn't come over for dinner. 220 00:12:54,417 --> 00:12:56,128 He didn't come over to fix anything. 221 00:12:56,211 --> 00:12:59,966 It was weird, not having any contact with them 222 00:13:00,049 --> 00:13:02,720 and I got kinda scared, even though I- 223 00:13:02,803 --> 00:13:05,557 I mean, what? Nothing happened. 224 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,270 But I couldn't think about anything else. 225 00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:11,439 Glen and the kids and I, we'd be having our time 226 00:13:11,522 --> 00:13:15,904 and... I'm miles away. 227 00:13:15,986 --> 00:13:17,530 I'd be in the kitchen 228 00:13:17,614 --> 00:13:20,701 watching Glen make something he likes to cook, 229 00:13:20,784 --> 00:13:23,996 and I just kept staring out the window at the chaise. 230 00:13:28,294 --> 00:13:34,218 So then, I think two days after that, Roger calls the house, 231 00:13:34,302 --> 00:13:36,597 I pick up the phone, he says, "Hi, Sarah," 232 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:41,227 I say, hey, and my heart's pounding. 233 00:13:41,311 --> 00:13:45,900 It's pounding, and he says, um, 234 00:13:45,984 --> 00:13:48,570 "So I'm thinking about coming over to paint the wainscoting 235 00:13:48,654 --> 00:13:51,699 "in the dining room tomorrow, it's peeling. 236 00:13:51,783 --> 00:13:55,036 So is around 11:00 in the morning okay for you?" 237 00:13:55,119 --> 00:13:56,497 And see, here's the- 238 00:13:56,580 --> 00:13:59,376 The thing is, he never did that. 239 00:13:59,459 --> 00:14:01,419 He never called before, he just comes over. 240 00:14:01,503 --> 00:14:03,256 He never did that. 241 00:14:03,339 --> 00:14:05,676 So I just say, "Yeah, sure, Roger, I'll see you then. " 242 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:10,848 I hang up the phone and Glen says, "What'd he say?" 243 00:14:10,933 --> 00:14:14,645 And so I told him what he said, 244 00:14:14,728 --> 00:14:17,857 exactly what he said. 245 00:14:17,942 --> 00:14:20,235 And I was lying to him. 246 00:14:20,319 --> 00:14:22,614 I mean, I never lied to him. 247 00:14:22,698 --> 00:14:25,409 I never- I never lied to a man, that I remember. 248 00:14:25,492 --> 00:14:27,160 - You never lied to me. - And here I am, 249 00:14:27,244 --> 00:14:29,372 telling Glen exactly what his dad said, 250 00:14:29,455 --> 00:14:31,500 and it was a big lie. 251 00:14:31,584 --> 00:14:35,547 And Glen just shrugged and said, okay, and I thought, 252 00:14:35,630 --> 00:14:39,594 boy, the worst part about telling a lie 253 00:14:39,677 --> 00:14:42,681 is when someone that you love just accepts it. 254 00:14:42,764 --> 00:14:44,058 - Yep. 255 00:14:52,736 --> 00:14:55,031 So he came over. 256 00:14:56,699 --> 00:14:58,200 - Well, oh, my God. 257 00:14:58,284 --> 00:15:00,662 That night, I- I- I said to Glen, 258 00:15:00,746 --> 00:15:03,625 well, first, you know, I counted in my head 259 00:15:03,708 --> 00:15:07,755 like how much time should go by after the call, 260 00:15:07,838 --> 00:15:11,426 and then I open my mouth to suggest that Glen take the kids to the lake, 261 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:13,429 and I thought, what the hell? 262 00:15:13,512 --> 00:15:14,764 - Mm-hmm. 263 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:17,893 - Come- What the hell are you doing? 264 00:15:17,976 --> 00:15:20,104 You know, am I really gonna do this? 265 00:15:20,187 --> 00:15:23,651 'Cause that- that would really be doing something, to get rid of Glen. 266 00:15:23,734 --> 00:15:25,319 - Yep. 267 00:15:25,402 --> 00:15:27,572 - And I told myself, you haven't done anything. 268 00:15:27,656 --> 00:15:30,283 Nothing happened. 269 00:15:30,367 --> 00:15:32,495 So I decide to do the opposite and I say to Glen, 270 00:15:32,578 --> 00:15:34,122 "Hey, what do you want to do tomorrow? 271 00:15:34,205 --> 00:15:35,666 Should we all go into town?" 272 00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:37,501 And he goes, "No. 273 00:15:37,585 --> 00:15:41,172 I already booked horses for me and the kids, starting at 7:00." 274 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:45,387 - Of all... 275 00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:48,808 So, and then all I had to do was go- 276 00:15:48,891 --> 00:15:51,227 just nod my head up and down and say, sure, 277 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:55,900 and so the next morning, they leave and now it's getting close to 11:00 278 00:15:55,983 --> 00:15:59,195 and I don't know what to do. What do I do? What do- 279 00:15:59,278 --> 00:16:04,244 Do I put on the bikini and assume the position? 280 00:16:04,327 --> 00:16:05,746 I don't know, what do I- 281 00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:08,083 I don't want to do anything. 282 00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:11,044 I do not want any of this to be happening, but at the same time, 283 00:16:11,129 --> 00:16:13,881 I felt like I needed to see it through, 284 00:16:13,965 --> 00:16:15,968 because he called and said that he was coming 285 00:16:16,051 --> 00:16:18,095 and he doesn't do that because it- so it just- 286 00:16:18,179 --> 00:16:23,226 It sounded like he wanted it to happen again. 287 00:16:23,309 --> 00:16:25,855 So I put on the old bikini, and then- 288 00:16:25,939 --> 00:16:28,608 Oh, Horace, this is the worst. 289 00:16:28,692 --> 00:16:30,235 I had the most awful thought. 290 00:16:30,318 --> 00:16:32,029 - What? 291 00:16:32,113 --> 00:16:37,203 - I thought that when he saw me there that first time, 292 00:16:37,286 --> 00:16:39,122 he didn't like it. 293 00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:43,002 He thought that it was gross and he thought that it was shameful 294 00:16:43,086 --> 00:16:44,462 and he thought that it was awful 295 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:46,256 and the reason that he stopped 296 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:48,217 was because he thought that I was sleeping. 297 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:49,677 He didn't want to wake me up 298 00:16:49,761 --> 00:16:51,889 because he didn't want to have me feel ashamed, 299 00:16:51,972 --> 00:16:54,641 and that the reason that he had called the house 300 00:16:54,725 --> 00:16:57,687 was that so I would have a warning that he was coming 301 00:16:57,771 --> 00:16:59,523 so that it wouldn't happen again, 302 00:16:59,607 --> 00:17:02,401 because he's a decent man and I'm a whore. 303 00:17:02,485 --> 00:17:07,033 And I hear the truck, and I am so afraid, I run upstairs, 304 00:17:07,116 --> 00:17:08,326 I start changing my clothes. 305 00:17:08,409 --> 00:17:10,162 I am in a panic, I'm- 306 00:17:10,245 --> 00:17:12,999 I'm literally trying to figure out, what does a woman wear 307 00:17:13,082 --> 00:17:15,710 who's trying not to fuck the old guy down the hill 308 00:17:15,794 --> 00:17:19,340 who gave birth to her new husband? 309 00:17:21,051 --> 00:17:23,221 - So he comes in the house 310 00:17:23,303 --> 00:17:25,056 and he's- he's- he's down there. 311 00:17:25,139 --> 00:17:28,018 And I hear him call out, hi, hello? 312 00:17:28,101 --> 00:17:32,524 And I'm standing upstairs in my bra and panties 313 00:17:32,607 --> 00:17:34,860 and I yell out, "Hi, Roger!" 314 00:17:34,944 --> 00:17:36,904 And he calls up, said, "I'm just gonna get started, 315 00:17:36,988 --> 00:17:38,573 work down here. " 316 00:17:38,657 --> 00:17:41,576 And I yelled down, "Yeah, sure. " 317 00:17:41,661 --> 00:17:46,250 And I hear him starting to work. 318 00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:49,003 And I... 319 00:17:49,087 --> 00:17:54,635 stood there in my underwear listening to him shuffle around, 320 00:17:54,718 --> 00:17:58,933 popping open the paint can, stirring it. 321 00:17:59,016 --> 00:18:00,768 And... 322 00:18:00,852 --> 00:18:05,399 all of the blood that had been running through my body 323 00:18:05,482 --> 00:18:11,156 all that time went right between my legs and... 324 00:18:15,078 --> 00:18:20,878 I laid down on my bed, and this house is so old, so small, so- 325 00:18:20,961 --> 00:18:25,592 The walls are thin, the floors are thin. 326 00:18:25,675 --> 00:18:28,428 When I laid down on the bed, it made this noise, 327 00:18:28,512 --> 00:18:33,518 and he's in the room right below me, 328 00:18:33,602 --> 00:18:38,984 and I hear the brush stop 329 00:18:39,067 --> 00:18:42,655 when the bed creaks and then start again, 330 00:18:42,739 --> 00:18:48,204 and I start running my hands... 331 00:18:51,375 --> 00:18:55,713 ...on myself all over and... 332 00:18:55,797 --> 00:19:00,427 I mean, he's, what, maybe like 10 feet away from me, 333 00:19:00,511 --> 00:19:02,472 vertically, 334 00:19:02,555 --> 00:19:05,059 and I'm this dirty woman touching myself 335 00:19:05,143 --> 00:19:07,520 and I can hear him working, 336 00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:10,983 but very quietly, 337 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:15,739 so my heart is pounding and I made a sound- I- 338 00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:20,495 I made a sound, like a little moan. 339 00:19:20,578 --> 00:19:24,458 And then, I hear the brush stop. 340 00:19:24,541 --> 00:19:27,088 And then start. 341 00:19:27,171 --> 00:19:28,381 And then I just- 342 00:19:28,463 --> 00:19:30,384 I let myself get a little bit louder, 343 00:19:30,466 --> 00:19:33,553 and now I hear him put down the brush, stand up, 344 00:19:33,637 --> 00:19:39,228 my heart's pounding, I- I- I stop, I mean, I freeze. 345 00:19:39,311 --> 00:19:44,318 I hear him pull a chair out from the table and sit down, 346 00:19:44,402 --> 00:19:46,486 'cause I hear the old wood of the chair creak 347 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:51,202 and settle under him and- and, um... 348 00:19:51,285 --> 00:19:57,292 And then I hear, like rustling of clothes and then nothing, 349 00:19:57,376 --> 00:20:01,172 and- and I know that he's sitting in that chair, 350 00:20:01,256 --> 00:20:05,387 not moving, and that's all that I know. 351 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:07,180 So my heart's- - Did he take his dick out? 352 00:20:07,264 --> 00:20:09,599 - I... 353 00:20:09,683 --> 00:20:11,811 I start touching myself, 354 00:20:11,894 --> 00:20:17,110 and I let my- my own sounds 355 00:20:17,193 --> 00:20:19,237 drowned out his, 356 00:20:19,321 --> 00:20:22,074 and I assume that he's doing the same, 357 00:20:22,158 --> 00:20:24,702 but of course, I don't know, I don't know. 358 00:20:24,786 --> 00:20:27,498 I- I don't know anything that's- 359 00:20:27,581 --> 00:20:29,959 I mean, for all I know, he's guessing what I'm doing up there 360 00:20:30,043 --> 00:20:31,962 and the poor guy is sitting down there just totally shocked, 361 00:20:32,046 --> 00:20:35,800 or he has no idea that any of this is going on 362 00:20:35,884 --> 00:20:38,888 and all of this is just making me crazy. 363 00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:43,018 I'm full-on masturbating, I came like crazy. 364 00:20:43,101 --> 00:20:46,731 I... 365 00:20:46,814 --> 00:20:49,234 I- I- I might have been loud, 366 00:20:49,318 --> 00:20:51,904 I might've not even made any noise at all. 367 00:20:51,987 --> 00:20:56,285 I couldn't even tell you, but my God, Horace, 368 00:20:56,368 --> 00:20:59,331 it was a lot. 369 00:20:59,414 --> 00:21:05,588 And I hear him, um, uh, 370 00:21:05,671 --> 00:21:09,260 stand up, then, from the chair and go back to work, 371 00:21:09,344 --> 00:21:13,557 so I put my clothes on and- and I go in the bathroom, 372 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,185 I'm running the water, you know, I'm just trying to be normal, 373 00:21:16,269 --> 00:21:18,313 I'm trying to be normal, loud, footsteps, loud, loud, 374 00:21:18,396 --> 00:21:19,981 and all, ahh, ahh. 375 00:21:20,065 --> 00:21:21,359 You know, I come downstairs 376 00:21:21,442 --> 00:21:25,948 and, um, and we talk, 377 00:21:26,031 --> 00:21:28,576 we listen to each other. 378 00:21:28,659 --> 00:21:31,247 Um... 379 00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:33,040 He takes his shirt off. 380 00:21:33,124 --> 00:21:34,792 I watch him work. 381 00:21:34,875 --> 00:21:36,837 When he's done, he leaves. 382 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,925 That was... three months ago. 383 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:44,597 - Holy fuck. 384 00:21:47,809 --> 00:21:49,812 So did you guys ever fuck or what? 385 00:21:53,817 --> 00:21:57,405 - I mean, Horace. 386 00:21:57,488 --> 00:21:59,866 Oh, do you know how... 387 00:21:59,950 --> 00:22:03,204 how horrible it would be if Glen found out 388 00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:05,624 and Beth and the kids and... 389 00:22:05,707 --> 00:22:09,504 And even more, I mean, it would just like be the end of life. 390 00:22:09,588 --> 00:22:13,091 - Sounds like you guys are fucking. 391 00:22:13,175 --> 00:22:15,554 Oh, shit. 392 00:22:15,637 --> 00:22:18,015 - I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what to do. 393 00:22:18,098 --> 00:22:21,311 I- I can't stop, and... 394 00:22:23,688 --> 00:22:26,651 I mean, if I don't stop, 395 00:22:26,734 --> 00:22:30,656 then all these people are gonna get so hurt. 396 00:22:30,739 --> 00:22:32,533 I just want to die. 397 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,916 Just the other night, I- I cried so hard till morning, 398 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,005 and, um, I thought- 399 00:22:43,088 --> 00:22:46,301 I just felt like my back was against a bed of rusty nails. 400 00:22:46,384 --> 00:22:49,680 - Oh, Sarah. - And I thought of you, Horace, 401 00:22:49,763 --> 00:22:53,101 and I thought of how when I found out about you and Rosemary 402 00:22:53,185 --> 00:22:55,103 and how much I hated you and how- 403 00:22:55,187 --> 00:22:58,149 And how could you do that to the family, you know, 404 00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:00,819 to the kids and to me and to yourself? 405 00:23:00,903 --> 00:23:05,033 And then- and then, I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. 406 00:23:05,116 --> 00:23:09,872 The guy was 21, I was 32, and I married him. 407 00:23:09,956 --> 00:23:11,917 I mean, I made him marry me. 408 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,337 It's not that hard to make a guy that age do what you want. 409 00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:18,758 He's so used to still listening to his mother. 410 00:23:18,842 --> 00:23:22,931 And so, I just thought, how was that like for you? 411 00:23:23,014 --> 00:23:28,313 'Cause, I mean, I had never thought about how- 412 00:23:28,397 --> 00:23:30,190 How was it like for you? 413 00:23:32,485 --> 00:23:35,572 - So you thought that maybe I could help you now 414 00:23:35,656 --> 00:23:37,701 because I went through it when I cheated on you? 415 00:23:37,783 --> 00:23:39,869 - Yeah. 416 00:23:39,953 --> 00:23:41,288 - Wow. 417 00:23:41,371 --> 00:23:42,999 Well, that's... 418 00:23:50,425 --> 00:23:52,135 Can you give me a minute? 419 00:23:54,681 --> 00:23:56,181 I'll be right back. 420 00:23:59,894 --> 00:24:02,898 ♪♪ 421 00:24:33,355 --> 00:24:36,233 - ♪ Horace and Pete ♪ 422 00:24:45,036 --> 00:24:46,455 - Okay. - Okay. 423 00:24:46,538 --> 00:24:48,123 What, did you go jerk off or something? 424 00:24:48,207 --> 00:24:49,917 - Ha. - Ha ha. 425 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,920 - Well, my head is clear now. - Okay. 426 00:24:52,003 --> 00:24:56,593 - Yeah. - And- and I am sorry. 427 00:24:56,676 --> 00:24:58,887 - Okay, it's all right, it's all right. 428 00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:04,311 So you're in a- you're in a pretty fucked up situation. 429 00:25:04,395 --> 00:25:06,731 - Yes, I am, yes, I am. - Well, I know how that feels. 430 00:25:06,815 --> 00:25:08,566 - Yes, you do. That's why- 431 00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:13,197 - Okay, well, look, Sarah. 432 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,076 I mean... 433 00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,120 you know, it's funny, we never talked about it. 434 00:25:18,204 --> 00:25:19,539 - That's true. 435 00:25:22,251 --> 00:25:26,714 - Well, look, let me- let me just say this off the bat, okay? 436 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,593 If you keep doing this with this guy, 437 00:25:29,677 --> 00:25:32,972 and I'm not judging you, obviously. 438 00:25:33,056 --> 00:25:37,061 I mean, people do what they- they do what they do. 439 00:25:37,145 --> 00:25:41,483 But you really have two choices. - Mm-hmm. 440 00:25:41,567 --> 00:25:44,822 - Stop and forget about it, 441 00:25:44,905 --> 00:25:49,994 or keep doing it, in which case, everybody's gonna know. 442 00:25:50,077 --> 00:25:52,623 - Oh, my God. - Well, come on, Sarah. 443 00:25:52,707 --> 00:25:54,167 There's no other way. 444 00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:56,837 I mean, you know it. 445 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,341 If you keep fucking this guy, someone's gonna find out, 446 00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:03,762 which means everyone's gonna find out, 447 00:26:03,846 --> 00:26:06,641 and then all the worst things that you're imagining, 448 00:26:06,725 --> 00:26:08,602 they're all gonna happen. 449 00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:10,771 So if you keep doing it- 450 00:26:10,855 --> 00:26:14,485 And again, God bless, do what you gotta do. 451 00:26:14,568 --> 00:26:17,154 But it's all gonna happen, all that awful stuff, 452 00:26:17,237 --> 00:26:19,782 so you need to reconcile with that 453 00:26:19,867 --> 00:26:21,952 and start thinking about how you're gonna deal with it, 454 00:26:22,035 --> 00:26:25,164 or stop. 455 00:26:25,247 --> 00:26:27,459 - That's not really a choice. 456 00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:29,295 - Yeah, I know. 457 00:26:29,378 --> 00:26:31,339 None of it is a choice. You can't stop. 458 00:26:31,422 --> 00:26:32,925 - No. - I know. 459 00:26:33,007 --> 00:26:36,011 - I mean, he's just beautiful, he smells good. 460 00:26:36,094 --> 00:26:38,431 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. - I- I- I- 461 00:26:38,515 --> 00:26:42,646 I know what you're saying is true. 462 00:26:42,729 --> 00:26:45,398 I know what I need to do. 463 00:26:45,482 --> 00:26:47,276 I can't do it. 464 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:51,198 So I'm not asking what I should do. 465 00:26:51,281 --> 00:26:55,620 - You're asking... 466 00:26:55,703 --> 00:26:58,499 How did I not kill myself? 467 00:27:00,418 --> 00:27:01,711 Jesus. 468 00:27:04,674 --> 00:27:05,968 I remember feeling like that. 469 00:27:06,050 --> 00:27:08,177 That was- that's a... 470 00:27:08,262 --> 00:27:10,264 That's a bad feeling. 471 00:27:14,435 --> 00:27:17,023 I mean, you're doing something that- 472 00:27:17,106 --> 00:27:20,193 I was doing something 473 00:27:20,277 --> 00:27:23,072 that was the end of absolutely everything 474 00:27:23,155 --> 00:27:25,366 and I kept- I kept doing it. 475 00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:26,785 - Yeah. 476 00:27:29,539 --> 00:27:31,249 - I never thought about killing myself, 477 00:27:31,332 --> 00:27:35,421 but I used to have fantasies about something happening to me, 478 00:27:35,504 --> 00:27:40,845 you know, like getting hit by a truck or falling off a cliff. 479 00:27:40,928 --> 00:27:42,806 That's a bad feeling. 480 00:27:46,936 --> 00:27:49,607 So, well... 481 00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:54,654 I met your sister... 482 00:27:54,738 --> 00:27:56,907 when we started dating. 483 00:27:56,991 --> 00:28:00,161 Like we were dating for about a month, right before we got married. 484 00:28:00,244 --> 00:28:02,039 - And I cannot believe we got married that quick. 485 00:28:02,122 --> 00:28:03,875 - Yeah, that was dumb. 486 00:28:03,958 --> 00:28:05,543 I don't know, it was just- I don't know. 487 00:28:05,627 --> 00:28:09,632 - So... - So... 488 00:28:09,715 --> 00:28:12,052 you remember... 489 00:28:12,134 --> 00:28:14,096 I went to dinner with you and your family? 490 00:28:14,179 --> 00:28:16,140 - Mm-hmm, sure. 491 00:28:16,223 --> 00:28:18,810 - Do you want to hear this? - Sure. 492 00:28:20,938 --> 00:28:25,276 - Okay, so that's when I first met her, was at that dinner, 493 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,237 and I- I forgot- I don't know why, 494 00:28:27,321 --> 00:28:30,575 but I asked her why she- when she graduated high school, 495 00:28:30,659 --> 00:28:33,954 and you made that joke, you said, "She's your age, Horace. " 496 00:28:34,038 --> 00:28:37,834 - Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember that. 497 00:28:37,918 --> 00:28:39,503 - This doesn't bother you to hear about this? 498 00:28:39,587 --> 00:28:42,173 - No, it's helping me. I think it's- 499 00:28:42,256 --> 00:28:44,134 - Did you forgive me or- 500 00:28:44,218 --> 00:28:46,763 - No. No, I never did. 501 00:28:46,846 --> 00:28:48,390 I stayed mad at you for years. 502 00:28:48,473 --> 00:28:50,142 Why would I forgive you for fucking my sister? 503 00:28:50,225 --> 00:28:53,187 Breaking apart the family? Doing that to the kids? 504 00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:54,981 - Just, you don't seem mad anymore. 505 00:28:55,065 --> 00:28:57,735 - I'm not, it just went away. 506 00:28:57,819 --> 00:28:59,988 It's kinda sad. 507 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,032 Um... 508 00:29:02,116 --> 00:29:03,743 No, I was so mad at you, 509 00:29:03,827 --> 00:29:05,745 I would walk around all day with these bad feelings, 510 00:29:05,829 --> 00:29:11,002 about what you did and I thought, well, someday, 511 00:29:11,086 --> 00:29:13,797 something'll happen, you know, 512 00:29:13,881 --> 00:29:18,302 I'll be overcome by a wave of kindness, or I'll just- 513 00:29:18,386 --> 00:29:20,932 or I'll just figure out a different way to look at it 514 00:29:21,015 --> 00:29:24,019 and I'll forgive you and I'll feel good, but instead, 515 00:29:24,103 --> 00:29:27,648 what happens is, time just takes the feelings away, 516 00:29:27,732 --> 00:29:33,321 they just kinda get dim with time going by, 517 00:29:33,406 --> 00:29:36,201 they just go away and you don't get to figure it out. 518 00:29:36,284 --> 00:29:38,204 It's like erosion, it just goes away. 519 00:29:38,287 --> 00:29:40,623 It's kinda sad. - Yeah. 520 00:29:40,707 --> 00:29:44,837 - Anyway, uh, I don't feel anything about it, Horace. 521 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:50,302 But, well, all that's left is, I'm curious how you got through it. 522 00:29:54,265 --> 00:29:55,642 - Okay. 523 00:29:55,726 --> 00:29:58,104 So, Rosemary. 524 00:30:02,151 --> 00:30:04,445 You know, I never thought about her that way when I first met her. 525 00:30:04,528 --> 00:30:07,074 I mean, she was all right. She was your sister. 526 00:30:10,495 --> 00:30:13,874 And then... 527 00:30:13,958 --> 00:30:16,044 Shit. 528 00:30:16,127 --> 00:30:18,255 Yes? 529 00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:23,053 - Well, then we got married, 530 00:30:23,136 --> 00:30:27,391 and then one day, you were at work 531 00:30:27,475 --> 00:30:31,396 and I was home, and she came over to get something, 532 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,862 I don't remember what, and we fucked. 533 00:30:36,946 --> 00:30:38,572 - So that's it? 534 00:30:38,656 --> 00:30:40,700 - Yeah, I mean, it's not a cool story like yours. 535 00:30:40,784 --> 00:30:42,702 But, um... 536 00:30:42,786 --> 00:30:44,497 Maybe it was, I don't remember. 537 00:30:47,209 --> 00:30:50,004 Anyway, once we figured that out, 538 00:30:50,088 --> 00:30:53,675 that we were into fucking each other and not telling anybody, 539 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,428 we started to do it a lot. 540 00:30:56,512 --> 00:30:59,308 And after a while, we couldn't stop doing it. 541 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:00,935 - Oh, God. 542 00:31:01,018 --> 00:31:02,687 - Yeah, it was a lot of fucking. 543 00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:04,731 A lot. 544 00:31:04,815 --> 00:31:07,442 And then, just the worst... 545 00:31:07,526 --> 00:31:11,156 The worst, worst, worst, worst, worst feeling 546 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,158 in the whole wide fucking world. 547 00:31:13,242 --> 00:31:15,578 - Yeah. 548 00:31:15,662 --> 00:31:19,917 - I would lie awake next to you, 549 00:31:20,001 --> 00:31:24,172 just thinking, what if she finds out? 550 00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:27,176 Like scared, like what if she finds out? 551 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,763 And then all the shit with the kids when they were born. 552 00:31:29,847 --> 00:31:31,932 Horace... 553 00:31:32,017 --> 00:31:34,311 - Well, I couldn't have been doing a worse thing. 554 00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:36,105 I couldn't have been doing a worse thing. 555 00:31:36,188 --> 00:31:39,192 It was the worst thing I could ever do. 556 00:31:39,276 --> 00:31:40,903 And I kept doing it. 557 00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:43,072 - Yeah. Yeah. 558 00:31:43,156 --> 00:31:45,533 - And every day, every single day, 559 00:31:45,617 --> 00:31:48,579 I would think, I don't want to be alive. 560 00:31:48,662 --> 00:31:50,539 I just want it all to end. 561 00:31:50,623 --> 00:31:53,169 Not just me, I wanted us all to die. 562 00:31:53,252 --> 00:31:54,962 - Oh, Jesus. 563 00:31:55,046 --> 00:31:58,592 - Well, I wanted everybody involved in any way 564 00:31:58,675 --> 00:32:00,427 to just stop existing. 565 00:32:00,510 --> 00:32:03,139 It was the only clean way out. 566 00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:06,185 I remember on 9/11 when the planes had hit the buildings 567 00:32:06,268 --> 00:32:09,189 and on the news they said that Washington was on fire 568 00:32:09,272 --> 00:32:11,025 and there was- 569 00:32:11,108 --> 00:32:12,276 Remember, everybody thought there was more planes coming? 570 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,694 - Yeah, God. 571 00:32:13,778 --> 00:32:16,031 - I thought, maybe this is it, maybe... 572 00:32:16,114 --> 00:32:19,202 maybe the planes will take us out and this will all be over. 573 00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:22,081 - Oh, that's... horrible. 574 00:32:22,164 --> 00:32:23,916 It's horrible. 575 00:32:23,999 --> 00:32:27,545 - Well, I preferred that to what I knew would happen, and did, 576 00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:30,257 that everybody would find out what I was doing. 577 00:32:30,341 --> 00:32:31,926 - Mm-hmm. 578 00:32:32,009 --> 00:32:34,554 - I would picture you finding out. 579 00:32:34,638 --> 00:32:37,558 Like I would close my eyes and I'd picture your face 580 00:32:37,642 --> 00:32:40,688 and I'd see all this hate in your eyes 581 00:32:40,771 --> 00:32:44,150 that I knew I could never come back from, 582 00:32:44,234 --> 00:32:47,863 and I kept on fucking her, 583 00:32:47,947 --> 00:32:49,740 and you hated me anyway. 584 00:32:49,824 --> 00:32:52,577 - What? - You hated me. 585 00:32:52,661 --> 00:32:56,124 - Horace, you thought I hated you before we broke up? 586 00:32:56,207 --> 00:32:58,419 I didn't hate you. 587 00:32:58,501 --> 00:33:00,380 I didn't. 588 00:33:00,463 --> 00:33:03,049 - Yeah, I kinda know that now. 589 00:33:03,133 --> 00:33:05,052 I mean, come on, honey, we were- 590 00:33:05,136 --> 00:33:07,138 I was 21, you were 32. 591 00:33:17,402 --> 00:33:21,614 - Well, you know, Horace, aside from all of that, 592 00:33:21,698 --> 00:33:23,951 you were never anything but nice to me. 593 00:33:24,035 --> 00:33:29,167 I mean, like just daily life, like, you know, 594 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:31,085 all that time, you were always just nice 595 00:33:31,169 --> 00:33:33,964 and I do wish that I had put a higher value on that than I did. 596 00:33:34,048 --> 00:33:35,841 I- Maybe that's a part of the reason. 597 00:33:35,924 --> 00:33:38,887 - Sarah, I fucked your sister. 598 00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:41,348 That's the story, okay? That's what happened. 599 00:33:41,432 --> 00:33:43,100 - Yeah. 600 00:33:43,185 --> 00:33:44,978 - We don't have to dig any deeper than that. 601 00:33:45,062 --> 00:33:47,398 - No, that- that does make it a lot easier, doesn't it? 602 00:33:47,482 --> 00:33:50,402 - Well, that's why people do stuff like that, like this. 603 00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:53,448 Because then you don't have to go through all the muck. 604 00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:55,700 Otherwise, you have to go through all the muck, 605 00:33:55,784 --> 00:33:58,913 and nobody can do that, so you just... 606 00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:01,665 In a bad marriage? Fuck a relative and get out. 607 00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:03,376 It works. 608 00:34:03,461 --> 00:34:05,171 It's like an insurance fire. 609 00:34:05,254 --> 00:34:07,006 And you know, when a building burns to the ground, 610 00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:08,383 nobody asks any questions, 611 00:34:08,467 --> 00:34:10,177 you just gotta really burn it down. 612 00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:14,391 - I don't even know why I'm laughing. 613 00:34:14,475 --> 00:34:16,185 - Come on. 614 00:34:16,268 --> 00:34:17,853 Like let's get real. 615 00:34:17,937 --> 00:34:21,024 Sarah, you know what you should do? 616 00:34:21,108 --> 00:34:23,152 You want to know the truth? You should get out. 617 00:34:23,236 --> 00:34:25,531 You should leave Glen and get out. 618 00:34:25,613 --> 00:34:27,324 That's what you're doing anyway by fucking his dad, 619 00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:28,826 you're getting out. - I can't do it. 620 00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:30,453 I can't, I can't. 621 00:34:30,537 --> 00:34:32,581 No, ahh, I have to face it, I have to fix it. 622 00:34:32,664 --> 00:34:35,292 - That is facing it. That's facing it. 623 00:34:35,376 --> 00:34:37,295 Get out and then the whole mess is fixed. 624 00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:38,421 That's the fix. 625 00:34:38,505 --> 00:34:40,299 - Well, but I can- 626 00:34:40,383 --> 00:34:42,553 I- I can stop. I can stop with Roger. 627 00:34:42,635 --> 00:34:44,888 That's what a good person would do. 628 00:34:44,972 --> 00:34:47,559 That's what I'm called on to do. 629 00:34:47,641 --> 00:34:49,811 Don't just throw up your hands, say, oh, well, I- 630 00:34:49,894 --> 00:34:52,231 You know, I do this awful thing, so come what may. 631 00:34:52,314 --> 00:34:56,069 You have to correct your behavior, and you have to strive to be better 632 00:34:56,153 --> 00:34:57,321 for the people in your life. - Okay. 633 00:34:57,405 --> 00:34:59,073 Sarah, tell yourself the story 634 00:34:59,157 --> 00:35:00,576 where you've been fucking this guy as long as you have 635 00:35:00,658 --> 00:35:02,369 and then all of a sudden, you just stop, 636 00:35:02,452 --> 00:35:04,830 and then you just go back to one big happy family every Christmas 637 00:35:04,913 --> 00:35:07,709 and Easter in your house in the woods, is that- 638 00:35:07,792 --> 00:35:10,004 Do you see that future? - No, no. 639 00:35:10,087 --> 00:35:13,842 - You gotta get out. You gotta get out. 640 00:35:13,925 --> 00:35:16,012 - I- I don't want- 641 00:35:16,095 --> 00:35:18,055 I don't want to have another divorce. 642 00:35:18,139 --> 00:35:20,767 Horace, I can't take it, I mean, ours was what it was. 643 00:35:20,851 --> 00:35:23,479 I don't blame you, I don't blame me, 644 00:35:23,563 --> 00:35:26,609 it just happened, but if it happens to me again, 645 00:35:26,691 --> 00:35:28,402 what does that say? 646 00:35:28,486 --> 00:35:31,239 - It says that you're shitty at being married. 647 00:35:31,323 --> 00:35:33,700 It's okay, so am I. 648 00:35:33,783 --> 00:35:35,495 That doesn't make you a bad person. 649 00:35:35,579 --> 00:35:37,038 Just don't be married. 650 00:35:37,122 --> 00:35:39,917 Just get out and don't do it again. 651 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,128 Just be alone, like me. 652 00:35:42,212 --> 00:35:44,256 You can't stay in this fucking thing 653 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:48,053 just to try to make the truth not be true. 654 00:35:48,136 --> 00:35:50,889 That's insane, that's- that's Catholic. 655 00:35:50,972 --> 00:35:53,142 - Those kids love me, they really do, 656 00:35:53,226 --> 00:35:56,146 and I love them, and- and- and they lost their mother. 657 00:35:56,230 --> 00:36:00,401 How do I now just- just pull out of their life so violently 658 00:36:00,486 --> 00:36:02,863 in such a terrible way? I'd have to be a terrible person. 659 00:36:02,947 --> 00:36:04,658 - You had your kids. 660 00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:06,117 You had your kids, okay? 661 00:36:06,201 --> 00:36:08,287 And you raised your kids. 662 00:36:08,371 --> 00:36:12,501 Their- their dad... 663 00:36:12,584 --> 00:36:15,505 fucked the family up. 664 00:36:15,588 --> 00:36:19,801 You stayed and saw them through their childhood, okay? 665 00:36:19,884 --> 00:36:23,013 Those are Glen's kids, not yours, 666 00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:25,141 and they lost their mom. 667 00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:26,602 That's what happened to them. 668 00:36:26,686 --> 00:36:28,980 Bu anything you give them is plus. 669 00:36:29,063 --> 00:36:31,024 They got to be with you, okay? 670 00:36:31,108 --> 00:36:33,403 If you leave, it doesn't mean that they give that back. 671 00:36:33,486 --> 00:36:35,739 Just because you pull out doesn't mean that you weren't- 672 00:36:35,822 --> 00:36:36,864 that you were never there. 673 00:36:39,577 --> 00:36:43,582 - Boy, you really have a skill at justifying horrible things. 674 00:36:43,666 --> 00:36:45,835 - Yeah. 675 00:36:49,214 --> 00:36:51,174 - I don't know what to do. 676 00:36:51,259 --> 00:36:53,219 - No, you don't. 677 00:36:53,303 --> 00:36:55,431 Oh, God. 678 00:37:07,112 --> 00:37:11,409 - All right, well, here's what you gotta do. 679 00:37:11,493 --> 00:37:14,580 This is what you gotta do, you might as well do it. 680 00:37:14,664 --> 00:37:17,876 Go back and keep fucking Roger. 681 00:37:17,959 --> 00:37:22,716 Keep loving Glen and the kids. 682 00:37:22,799 --> 00:37:26,845 Just do both things as long as you can as well as you can. 683 00:37:26,928 --> 00:37:29,475 That's what you're gonna do. 684 00:37:29,558 --> 00:37:31,143 You know that's what you're gonna do, 685 00:37:31,226 --> 00:37:32,353 so you just might as well decide you're gonna do it. 686 00:37:32,436 --> 00:37:35,315 - Yeah. 687 00:37:35,398 --> 00:37:37,401 Yep. 688 00:37:40,112 --> 00:37:42,199 Oh, my God. 689 00:37:42,282 --> 00:37:44,786 What am I? 690 00:37:44,868 --> 00:37:48,248 - You're just like a whole bunch of other people, Sarah. 691 00:37:48,332 --> 00:37:51,378 Like a lot of other people. 692 00:37:52,962 --> 00:37:54,590 Like you could field an army 693 00:37:54,673 --> 00:37:58,260 with how many people have been in your situation. 694 00:37:58,345 --> 00:38:02,140 Literally, you could gather the cheaters of the world, 695 00:38:02,225 --> 00:38:06,188 and you could wage war on the honest and you'd win. 696 00:38:06,271 --> 00:38:09,651 - Oh, God, you're awful. 697 00:38:09,734 --> 00:38:12,320 - You're gonna be okay, you know. 698 00:38:12,405 --> 00:38:14,657 It's gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay, Sarah. 699 00:38:14,741 --> 00:38:16,451 - Well, I don't know how you know that. 700 00:38:16,535 --> 00:38:18,746 - Because, you know how I know it? 701 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:20,706 'Cause I'm okay. 702 00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:23,585 And I was right where you are, and I'm okay. 703 00:38:23,669 --> 00:38:24,962 - What about Glen? 704 00:38:25,045 --> 00:38:26,964 - He'll be okay, too, 705 00:38:27,047 --> 00:38:31,470 because he is where you were, and you're okay. 706 00:38:31,554 --> 00:38:33,264 - Yeah. 707 00:38:33,347 --> 00:38:36,644 - And his kids will be fine, 'cause look at our kids. 708 00:38:41,692 --> 00:38:43,318 Fuck. 709 00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:51,162 How is he? 710 00:38:51,245 --> 00:38:52,914 I know, I mean, I follow him on Instagram 711 00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:55,041 so I know... - Yeah. 712 00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:56,879 - ... he's on a lacrosse team 713 00:38:56,961 --> 00:39:00,507 and he went to Peru with his natural history class, 714 00:39:00,591 --> 00:39:02,510 but how is he? - Well, I- 715 00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:06,973 He made me promise not to talk to you about him. 716 00:39:07,057 --> 00:39:09,686 - Oh, okay. 717 00:39:09,769 --> 00:39:12,063 Did he- He knew you were coming here 718 00:39:12,147 --> 00:39:14,775 to tell me that you're fucking your new husband's dad? 719 00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,863 - Ehh. - Well, ouch, okay? 720 00:39:17,947 --> 00:39:19,364 I mean... 721 00:39:19,448 --> 00:39:21,033 Fuck, man. 722 00:39:21,117 --> 00:39:23,412 I get it, I got it coming, but it fucking hurts. 723 00:39:23,496 --> 00:39:25,164 That's... 724 00:39:25,247 --> 00:39:26,750 - So I'm honoring his... 725 00:39:26,833 --> 00:39:30,212 promise in the sense that, you know, 726 00:39:30,295 --> 00:39:31,547 I'm telling you about it. 727 00:39:31,631 --> 00:39:35,511 I- I do owe him that, but I think that you should know, 728 00:39:35,594 --> 00:39:38,806 your son is doing really great. 729 00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:46,233 I mean, he's great. 730 00:39:46,316 --> 00:39:50,279 He's a lovely guy, Horace. 731 00:39:50,363 --> 00:39:53,575 He- he- he- 732 00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:57,957 He's nice to everybody and it's genuine. 733 00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,000 He's got a girl, terrific. 734 00:40:00,084 --> 00:40:01,544 She's terrific. 735 00:40:04,548 --> 00:40:06,759 And he likes life. 736 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,225 And, um, he's... 737 00:40:13,308 --> 00:40:15,144 thoughtful. 738 00:40:15,228 --> 00:40:18,399 He... picks good friends. 739 00:40:18,482 --> 00:40:20,652 He's really good with tough things, 740 00:40:20,735 --> 00:40:25,324 and so he's doing really good. 741 00:40:25,408 --> 00:40:26,785 - Thanks. 742 00:40:26,868 --> 00:40:28,370 - Yeah. 743 00:40:31,499 --> 00:40:33,293 - I'm really blowing it with Alice. 744 00:40:33,376 --> 00:40:34,962 She's always pissed at me. 745 00:40:35,045 --> 00:40:37,381 - Oh, well, you know, she just needs to stop already. 746 00:40:37,464 --> 00:40:39,092 I don't even- 747 00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:41,429 How long does she think she gets to stay a kid? 748 00:40:41,512 --> 00:40:44,432 - Well... - No, Hor- No. 749 00:40:44,515 --> 00:40:46,810 I mean, she's almost a lawyer now. 750 00:40:46,894 --> 00:40:51,609 You- you are making an effort to be in her life. 751 00:40:51,692 --> 00:40:53,902 Nobody owes her any more than that. 752 00:40:53,987 --> 00:40:55,780 She's being a big fat brat. 753 00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:57,950 - Jesus, wow. - Well, I- 754 00:40:58,034 --> 00:41:00,703 I can't- I can't with that. 755 00:41:00,786 --> 00:41:04,416 I can't with that one. That's enough, I... 756 00:41:04,499 --> 00:41:06,753 - All right, I'll take it. 757 00:41:09,255 --> 00:41:10,591 I didn't really... 758 00:41:10,674 --> 00:41:12,010 I didn't really know, you know, 759 00:41:12,093 --> 00:41:14,178 what I was throwing away with those guys. 760 00:41:14,262 --> 00:41:17,058 - You still don't know, Horace, but forgive yourself. 761 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:20,771 And- and- and you want to know something? 762 00:41:20,854 --> 00:41:25,610 I'm happy for you, 'cause I think that you found peace. 763 00:41:25,693 --> 00:41:28,072 I wish that I could do it. 764 00:41:28,154 --> 00:41:30,659 I can't, I'm weak, 'cause I need somebody. 765 00:41:30,742 --> 00:41:35,831 And it takes a strength and a self-acceptance to be alone 766 00:41:35,915 --> 00:41:37,876 and I really do- I feel like you found it 767 00:41:37,959 --> 00:41:40,712 and you're living your truth, you're living honestly 768 00:41:40,797 --> 00:41:43,926 and- and... 769 00:41:44,009 --> 00:41:47,179 So... I'm proud of you. 770 00:41:49,432 --> 00:41:51,811 I'm just... 771 00:41:51,894 --> 00:41:53,813 I'm really happy for you. 772 00:41:55,481 --> 00:41:57,067 So long, hon. 773 00:41:57,151 --> 00:41:58,568 - Bye, Sarah, see you. - Take care. 774 00:41:58,652 --> 00:41:59,862 - Okay. 775 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,838 - I can't believe you married that cunt. 58116

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