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- So...
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when Glen and I first got married,
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his parents gave us,
as a wedding gift, um,
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a little house that they had
in Pennsylvania.
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They had it since
they were married back in,
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I don't know, '69,
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and now they spend their summers
in a bigger house
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that they moved into
that's right near the little house
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and I think that
they partly gave it to us
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so that they could see
Glen's kids more,
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since we would be spending
all of our summers right by them,
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uh, which I didn't mind at all,
because I liked them, and...
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And... I don't know.
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But after all the chapters
in my life being married to you,
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having the kids,
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the... whole mess, divorce,
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teaching public high school,
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I'd stopped really giving a shit about
my own personal space, you know?
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It was just like, well,
everybody, hey, come on in,
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you know, take whatever you want.
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So we started going there every summer.
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And it's really nice there.
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Just tall trees for days.
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Um, something about a place
that gets so cold in the winter,
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'cause in the summer,
there's all this moisture,
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and so there's still these pockets
of cool air,
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even in the hottest parts of the summer.
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I loved it.
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And...
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Glen's kids would romp
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and he loved taking them fishing,
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and there was a horse farm nearby
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and they would all borrow horses
and go riding
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and, uh, Roger and Beth,
Glen's parents,
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they would come over
almost every night for dinner.
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And it was real easy.
It, uh...
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I didn't mind
that it was all Glen's family,
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his parents, his kids, and then me.
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I was okay with that.
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I just thought, well, I can do this
for as long as it works.
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And it...
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Really...
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nothing ever went wrong,
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'cause nobody had any issues,
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Glen's kids and I, we-
we never had any bumps or...
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It was just real easy.
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And I used to love going
to sleep in the country
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with the bugs buzzing and frogs and...
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And then waking up in the quiet,
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'cause I used to get up before
anybody else did.
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That was my time.
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And so, also, Roger would come over
a lot, Glen's dad.
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He's real handy, Glen's not handy,
so Roger would come over
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and tend to stuff
around the little house,
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'cause I think he never really
let go of the feeling
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that that was still his to care for.
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And Beth, um...
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was just kinda quiet.
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Like together they're quiet,
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like their whole relationship is...
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kind of a secret.
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They would come over together
and sit and watch everybody
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with these two peaceful smiles
on their face,
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like they're already ghosts,
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silently watching over the grandkids,
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but by himself, Roger, he- he-
he would talk and tell stories.
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Uh, he...
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He's very...
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He has that kind of man's ego
from another time,
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when it wasn't considered
just being an asshole,
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when it was a virtue, you know,
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'cause he grew up in Michigan,
and I just think
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that it's really interesting
to know somebody
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that has a quarter-century
head start on you.
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It's like getting
to talk to a time machine.
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So he would come over and do
stuff around the house,
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and I'd make him coffee
and he would talk while he worked.
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And I would listen and laugh.
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He's really funny.
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And I'd watch him.
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I mean, he's 84.
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And in all those years,
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he never stopped using
his muscles, his body.
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So he comes over and works
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and, um, usually takes
his shirt off after a while,
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and when you look at a man's
84-year-old body
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and you see the skin turn red
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and then sweaty with the work
that he's doing
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all of his life,
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and a man who doesn't have
to prove anything
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to anybody in that little house.
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He would tell me stories
about his past in the Navy
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and growing up on his parents' farm,
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but he- he didn't really care
that it was me that he was telling.
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He was just being social.
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He never looked at me much.
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But I would stare at him
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'cause I could,
'cause he wasn't looking back.
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So this one day when he comes over
to fix the porch boards,
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he drives up in this little
truck that he has.
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I can hear the truck
from all the way down the hill.
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The house is up on a little hill
and then there's nothing
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but woods between
their place and ours.
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And so whenever he comes,
I hear that little engine,
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I hear the- him switching his gears
when he comes up the hill.
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So it's morning and Glen's got
the kids out on the lake
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and I'm all alone
and I'm sunbathing out on the lawn,
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which feels stupid,
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but I just wanted to feel
the sun on my body
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and I'm alone, so who cares?
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And I'm laying back in the chaise
in my only bikini that I ever-
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that I ever, ever bought myself.
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And I just let my legs... go open,
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'cause I want the sun
on the inside of my thighs,
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and it just feels good
to be in the woods
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alone and letting the sun in,
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just splayed like a frog,
legs open and...
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letting the sun.
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And then I hear the little truck.
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I hear it, uh, coming.
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And I smile like I always do,
with my eyes closed.
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And I hear it getting nearer and nearer,
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and I think, well,
right where he's gonna pull in,
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he's gonna see me like that,
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and here I am with my legs open
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and I'd better close them
and lay here like a lady does.
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And then I thought,
oh, well, what if I don't?
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What if I lay here with my eyes closed
and my legs open
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and let him see?
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And...
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the thought of that, it re- it...
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made my heart go really fast.
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And I kept my eyes closed and...
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the closer that the sound
of that little truck got,
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the more...
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I got...
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Oh, my God.
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I just stayed there, and, uh...
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I tried to sort of make it look
like I was sleeping,
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but who sleeps like that?
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And- and I hear the truck pull
into the little space
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in front of the house
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and I have to- I-
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I was breathing so hard,
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I thought I was gonna have
an orgasm just laying there.
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And I hear the truck door squeak open
and slam shut,
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and I hear his feet in the grass.
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He'd take a step, then I hear him stop,
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so I know that he's standing there,
looking at me.
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And I let him.
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I just- I just let him look.
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And it was so...
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It was so dirty.
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I don't know, I don't know.
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- Why are you telling me this?
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- I know, I know, it's weird.
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- Yeah.
- I know, I know,
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'cause I mean, we haven't even
talked in years.
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Ever since Alice went
to college and 'cause now
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there finally hasn't been
any reason for us...
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- Yeah, I guess not.
- ... to talk.
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- Right.
- You probably think I hate you,
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and maybe sometimes I do, still,
a little bit.
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- Maybe I hate you, did you ever...?
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- Yeah, well, I don't know.
I'm sure you do.
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But I- can I just keep going?
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- Sure.
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- Okay.
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- You're laying on your back
with your legs open in a bikini
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and your new 84-year-old dad-in-law
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is looking between your legs.
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- So yes, he's looking.
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And, um...
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And I can tell because he's not moving,
so, yeah, he's...
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he's looking right at me.
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Now.
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Now, all I can think is,
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don't open your eyes, right?
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Because if you look back at him,
then you did this.
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You... That's it.
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And you can never take it back.
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And now you can't even close your legs
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because then you definitely
weren't sleeping,
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and what would Glen say
and sweet Beth and the kids?
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And I thought, I'm sick.
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I'm corrupt.
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I just should have left this
little family alone.
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Glen, he's pure, he's innocent.
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His wife died, is all,
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and he needed somebody,
and here I came,
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this fucked-up divorced older lady,
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and I'm showing half of my vagina
to his 84-year-old dad.
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- Did you open your eyes?
- No.
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No.
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I kept 'em closed.
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And he was there...
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a- a long time.
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I just felt him there.
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I...
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It was the most erotic thing ever,
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and after I don't even know
how long, um,
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I heard him start to unload wood
from the truck,
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so when that first plank of wood
hit the porch, I got up,
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I pulled a wrap on around my bottom,
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I got up, I made him coffee,
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and just like always,
I watched him work.
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He told me stories,
but this time, when he talked to me,
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he looked right at me
and he asked me things
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and I talked and he listened and...
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And he listened very well.
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- Is that all that ever-
is that all that happened?
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- That's all that happened that day.
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I mean, that was it.
He... left,
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and I didn't even dare masturbate,
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because I knew that
it would just be too much.
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- What happened?
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- Okay.
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So... I didn't see him for a few days.
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Him and Beth didn't come over
for dinner.
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He didn't come over to fix anything.
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It was weird, not having
any contact with them
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and I got kinda scared,
even though I-
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I mean, what?
Nothing happened.
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But I couldn't think about
anything else.
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Glen and the kids and I,
we'd be having our time
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and... I'm miles away.
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I'd be in the kitchen
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watching Glen make something
he likes to cook,
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and I just kept staring out
the window at the chaise.
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So then, I think two days after that,
Roger calls the house,
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I pick up the phone,
he says, "Hi, Sarah,"
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I say, hey,
and my heart's pounding.
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It's pounding, and he says, um,
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"So I'm thinking about coming over
to paint the wainscoting
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"in the dining room tomorrow,
it's peeling.
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So is around 11:00
in the morning okay for you?"
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And see, here's the-
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The thing is, he never did that.
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He never called before,
he just comes over.
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He never did that.
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So I just say, "Yeah, sure, Roger,
I'll see you then. "
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I hang up the phone
and Glen says, "What'd he say?"
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And so I told him what he said,
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exactly what he said.
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And I was lying to him.
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I mean, I never lied to him.
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I never- I never lied to a man,
that I remember.
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- You never lied to me.
- And here I am,
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telling Glen exactly what his dad said,
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and it was a big lie.
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And Glen just shrugged and said,
okay, and I thought,
252
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boy, the worst part about telling a lie
253
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is when someone that you love
just accepts it.
254
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- Yep.
255
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So he came over.
256
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- Well, oh, my God.
257
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That night, I- I- I said to Glen,
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well, first, you know,
I counted in my head
259
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like how much time should go by
after the call,
260
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and then I open my mouth to suggest
that Glen take the kids to the lake,
261
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and I thought, what the hell?
262
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- Mm-hmm.
263
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- Come-
What the hell are you doing?
264
00:15:17,976 --> 00:15:20,104
You know, am I really gonna do this?
265
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'Cause that- that would really be
doing something, to get rid of Glen.
266
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- Yep.
267
00:15:25,402 --> 00:15:27,572
- And I told myself,
you haven't done anything.
268
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Nothing happened.
269
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So I decide to do the opposite
and I say to Glen,
270
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"Hey, what do you want
to do tomorrow?
271
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Should we all go into town?"
272
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And he goes, "No.
273
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I already booked horses for me
and the kids, starting at 7:00."
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- Of all...
275
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So, and then all I had to do was go-
276
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just nod my head up and down
and say, sure,
277
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and so the next morning, they leave
and now it's getting close to 11:00
278
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and I don't know what to do.
What do I do? What do-
279
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Do I put on the bikini
and assume the position?
280
00:16:04,327 --> 00:16:05,746
I don't know, what do I-
281
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I don't want to do anything.
282
00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:11,044
I do not want any of this to be
happening, but at the same time,
283
00:16:11,129 --> 00:16:13,881
I felt like I needed to see it through,
284
00:16:13,965 --> 00:16:15,968
because he called
and said that he was coming
285
00:16:16,051 --> 00:16:18,095
and he doesn't do that because
it- so it just-
286
00:16:18,179 --> 00:16:23,226
It sounded like he wanted it
to happen again.
287
00:16:23,309 --> 00:16:25,855
So I put on the old bikini, and then-
288
00:16:25,939 --> 00:16:28,608
Oh, Horace, this is the worst.
289
00:16:28,692 --> 00:16:30,235
I had the most awful thought.
290
00:16:30,318 --> 00:16:32,029
- What?
291
00:16:32,113 --> 00:16:37,203
- I thought that when he saw me there
that first time,
292
00:16:37,286 --> 00:16:39,122
he didn't like it.
293
00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:43,002
He thought that it was gross
and he thought that it was shameful
294
00:16:43,086 --> 00:16:44,462
and he thought that it was awful
295
00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:46,256
and the reason that he stopped
296
00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:48,217
was because he thought
that I was sleeping.
297
00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:49,677
He didn't want to wake me up
298
00:16:49,761 --> 00:16:51,889
because he didn't want to have me
feel ashamed,
299
00:16:51,972 --> 00:16:54,641
and that the reason
that he had called the house
300
00:16:54,725 --> 00:16:57,687
was that so I would have a warning
that he was coming
301
00:16:57,771 --> 00:16:59,523
so that it wouldn't happen again,
302
00:16:59,607 --> 00:17:02,401
because he's a decent man
and I'm a whore.
303
00:17:02,485 --> 00:17:07,033
And I hear the truck,
and I am so afraid, I run upstairs,
304
00:17:07,116 --> 00:17:08,326
I start changing my clothes.
305
00:17:08,409 --> 00:17:10,162
I am in a panic, I'm-
306
00:17:10,245 --> 00:17:12,999
I'm literally trying to figure out,
what does a woman wear
307
00:17:13,082 --> 00:17:15,710
who's trying not to fuck
the old guy down the hill
308
00:17:15,794 --> 00:17:19,340
who gave birth to her new husband?
309
00:17:21,051 --> 00:17:23,221
- So he comes in the house
310
00:17:23,303 --> 00:17:25,056
and he's-
he's- he's down there.
311
00:17:25,139 --> 00:17:28,018
And I hear him call out,
hi, hello?
312
00:17:28,101 --> 00:17:32,524
And I'm standing upstairs
in my bra and panties
313
00:17:32,607 --> 00:17:34,860
and I yell out, "Hi, Roger!"
314
00:17:34,944 --> 00:17:36,904
And he calls up, said,
"I'm just gonna get started,
315
00:17:36,988 --> 00:17:38,573
work down here. "
316
00:17:38,657 --> 00:17:41,576
And I yelled down,
"Yeah, sure. "
317
00:17:41,661 --> 00:17:46,250
And I hear him starting to work.
318
00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:49,003
And I...
319
00:17:49,087 --> 00:17:54,635
stood there in my underwear
listening to him shuffle around,
320
00:17:54,718 --> 00:17:58,933
popping open the paint can,
stirring it.
321
00:17:59,016 --> 00:18:00,768
And...
322
00:18:00,852 --> 00:18:05,399
all of the blood that had been
running through my body
323
00:18:05,482 --> 00:18:11,156
all that time went right
between my legs and...
324
00:18:15,078 --> 00:18:20,878
I laid down on my bed,
and this house is so old, so small, so-
325
00:18:20,961 --> 00:18:25,592
The walls are thin,
the floors are thin.
326
00:18:25,675 --> 00:18:28,428
When I laid down on the bed,
it made this noise,
327
00:18:28,512 --> 00:18:33,518
and he's in the room right below me,
328
00:18:33,602 --> 00:18:38,984
and I hear the brush stop
329
00:18:39,067 --> 00:18:42,655
when the bed creaks
and then start again,
330
00:18:42,739 --> 00:18:48,204
and I start running my hands...
331
00:18:51,375 --> 00:18:55,713
...on myself all over and...
332
00:18:55,797 --> 00:19:00,427
I mean, he's, what, maybe
like 10 feet away from me,
333
00:19:00,511 --> 00:19:02,472
vertically,
334
00:19:02,555 --> 00:19:05,059
and I'm this dirty woman
touching myself
335
00:19:05,143 --> 00:19:07,520
and I can hear him working,
336
00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:10,983
but very quietly,
337
00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:15,739
so my heart is pounding
and I made a sound- I-
338
00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:20,495
I made a sound, like a little moan.
339
00:19:20,578 --> 00:19:24,458
And then, I hear the brush stop.
340
00:19:24,541 --> 00:19:27,088
And then start.
341
00:19:27,171 --> 00:19:28,381
And then I just-
342
00:19:28,463 --> 00:19:30,384
I let myself get a little bit louder,
343
00:19:30,466 --> 00:19:33,553
and now I hear him put down
the brush, stand up,
344
00:19:33,637 --> 00:19:39,228
my heart's pounding,
I- I- I stop, I mean, I freeze.
345
00:19:39,311 --> 00:19:44,318
I hear him pull a chair out from
the table and sit down,
346
00:19:44,402 --> 00:19:46,486
'cause I hear the old wood
of the chair creak
347
00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:51,202
and settle under him
and- and, um...
348
00:19:51,285 --> 00:19:57,292
And then I hear, like rustling
of clothes and then nothing,
349
00:19:57,376 --> 00:20:01,172
and- and I know
that he's sitting in that chair,
350
00:20:01,256 --> 00:20:05,387
not moving, and that's all
that I know.
351
00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:07,180
So my heart's-
- Did he take his dick out?
352
00:20:07,264 --> 00:20:09,599
- I...
353
00:20:09,683 --> 00:20:11,811
I start touching myself,
354
00:20:11,894 --> 00:20:17,110
and I let my- my own sounds
355
00:20:17,193 --> 00:20:19,237
drowned out his,
356
00:20:19,321 --> 00:20:22,074
and I assume that he's doing
the same,
357
00:20:22,158 --> 00:20:24,702
but of course,
I don't know, I don't know.
358
00:20:24,786 --> 00:20:27,498
I- I don't know anything that's-
359
00:20:27,581 --> 00:20:29,959
I mean, for all I know,
he's guessing what I'm doing up there
360
00:20:30,043 --> 00:20:31,962
and the poor guy is sitting down there
just totally shocked,
361
00:20:32,046 --> 00:20:35,800
or he has no idea
that any of this is going on
362
00:20:35,884 --> 00:20:38,888
and all of this is just making me crazy.
363
00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:43,018
I'm full-on masturbating,
I came like crazy.
364
00:20:43,101 --> 00:20:46,731
I...
365
00:20:46,814 --> 00:20:49,234
I- I- I might have been loud,
366
00:20:49,318 --> 00:20:51,904
I might've not even made
any noise at all.
367
00:20:51,987 --> 00:20:56,285
I couldn't even tell you,
but my God, Horace,
368
00:20:56,368 --> 00:20:59,331
it was a lot.
369
00:20:59,414 --> 00:21:05,588
And I hear him, um, uh,
370
00:21:05,671 --> 00:21:09,260
stand up, then, from the chair
and go back to work,
371
00:21:09,344 --> 00:21:13,557
so I put my clothes on
and- and I go in the bathroom,
372
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,185
I'm running the water, you know,
I'm just trying to be normal,
373
00:21:16,269 --> 00:21:18,313
I'm trying to be normal, loud,
footsteps, loud, loud,
374
00:21:18,396 --> 00:21:19,981
and all, ahh, ahh.
375
00:21:20,065 --> 00:21:21,359
You know, I come downstairs
376
00:21:21,442 --> 00:21:25,948
and, um, and we talk,
377
00:21:26,031 --> 00:21:28,576
we listen to each other.
378
00:21:28,659 --> 00:21:31,247
Um...
379
00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:33,040
He takes his shirt off.
380
00:21:33,124 --> 00:21:34,792
I watch him work.
381
00:21:34,875 --> 00:21:36,837
When he's done, he leaves.
382
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,925
That was... three months ago.
383
00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:44,597
- Holy fuck.
384
00:21:47,809 --> 00:21:49,812
So did you guys ever fuck or what?
385
00:21:53,817 --> 00:21:57,405
- I mean, Horace.
386
00:21:57,488 --> 00:21:59,866
Oh, do you know how...
387
00:21:59,950 --> 00:22:03,204
how horrible it would be
if Glen found out
388
00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:05,624
and Beth and the kids and...
389
00:22:05,707 --> 00:22:09,504
And even more, I mean, it would
just like be the end of life.
390
00:22:09,588 --> 00:22:13,091
- Sounds like you guys are fucking.
391
00:22:13,175 --> 00:22:15,554
Oh, shit.
392
00:22:15,637 --> 00:22:18,015
- I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know what to do.
393
00:22:18,098 --> 00:22:21,311
I- I can't stop, and...
394
00:22:23,688 --> 00:22:26,651
I mean, if I don't stop,
395
00:22:26,734 --> 00:22:30,656
then all these people are
gonna get so hurt.
396
00:22:30,739 --> 00:22:32,533
I just want to die.
397
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,916
Just the other night, I-
I cried so hard till morning,
398
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,005
and, um, I thought-
399
00:22:43,088 --> 00:22:46,301
I just felt like my back was
against a bed of rusty nails.
400
00:22:46,384 --> 00:22:49,680
- Oh, Sarah.
- And I thought of you, Horace,
401
00:22:49,763 --> 00:22:53,101
and I thought of how when I found out
about you and Rosemary
402
00:22:53,185 --> 00:22:55,103
and how much I hated you and how-
403
00:22:55,187 --> 00:22:58,149
And how could you do that
to the family, you know,
404
00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:00,819
to the kids and to me and to yourself?
405
00:23:00,903 --> 00:23:05,033
And then- and then, I was like,
oh, Jesus Christ.
406
00:23:05,116 --> 00:23:09,872
The guy was 21, I was 32,
and I married him.
407
00:23:09,956 --> 00:23:11,917
I mean, I made him marry me.
408
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,337
It's not that hard to make a guy
that age do what you want.
409
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:18,758
He's so used to still listening
to his mother.
410
00:23:18,842 --> 00:23:22,931
And so, I just thought,
how was that like for you?
411
00:23:23,014 --> 00:23:28,313
'Cause, I mean, I had never
thought about how-
412
00:23:28,397 --> 00:23:30,190
How was it like for you?
413
00:23:32,485 --> 00:23:35,572
- So you thought that maybe
I could help you now
414
00:23:35,656 --> 00:23:37,701
because I went through it
when I cheated on you?
415
00:23:37,783 --> 00:23:39,869
- Yeah.
416
00:23:39,953 --> 00:23:41,288
- Wow.
417
00:23:41,371 --> 00:23:42,999
Well, that's...
418
00:23:50,425 --> 00:23:52,135
Can you give me a minute?
419
00:23:54,681 --> 00:23:56,181
I'll be right back.
420
00:23:59,894 --> 00:24:02,898
♪♪
421
00:24:33,355 --> 00:24:36,233
- ♪ Horace and Pete ♪
422
00:24:45,036 --> 00:24:46,455
- Okay.
- Okay.
423
00:24:46,538 --> 00:24:48,123
What, did you go jerk off
or something?
424
00:24:48,207 --> 00:24:49,917
- Ha.
- Ha ha.
425
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,920
- Well, my head is clear now.
- Okay.
426
00:24:52,003 --> 00:24:56,593
- Yeah.
- And- and I am sorry.
427
00:24:56,676 --> 00:24:58,887
- Okay, it's all right, it's all right.
428
00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:04,311
So you're in a- you're in
a pretty fucked up situation.
429
00:25:04,395 --> 00:25:06,731
- Yes, I am, yes, I am.
- Well, I know how that feels.
430
00:25:06,815 --> 00:25:08,566
- Yes, you do.
That's why-
431
00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:13,197
- Okay, well, look, Sarah.
432
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,076
I mean...
433
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,120
you know, it's funny,
we never talked about it.
434
00:25:18,204 --> 00:25:19,539
- That's true.
435
00:25:22,251 --> 00:25:26,714
- Well, look, let me-
let me just say this off the bat, okay?
436
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,593
If you keep doing this with this guy,
437
00:25:29,677 --> 00:25:32,972
and I'm not judging you,
obviously.
438
00:25:33,056 --> 00:25:37,061
I mean, people do what they-
they do what they do.
439
00:25:37,145 --> 00:25:41,483
But you really have two choices.
- Mm-hmm.
440
00:25:41,567 --> 00:25:44,822
- Stop and forget about it,
441
00:25:44,905 --> 00:25:49,994
or keep doing it, in which case,
everybody's gonna know.
442
00:25:50,077 --> 00:25:52,623
- Oh, my God.
- Well, come on, Sarah.
443
00:25:52,707 --> 00:25:54,167
There's no other way.
444
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:56,837
I mean, you know it.
445
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,341
If you keep fucking this guy,
someone's gonna find out,
446
00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:03,762
which means
everyone's gonna find out,
447
00:26:03,846 --> 00:26:06,641
and then all the worst things
that you're imagining,
448
00:26:06,725 --> 00:26:08,602
they're all gonna happen.
449
00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:10,771
So if you keep doing it-
450
00:26:10,855 --> 00:26:14,485
And again, God bless,
do what you gotta do.
451
00:26:14,568 --> 00:26:17,154
But it's all gonna happen,
all that awful stuff,
452
00:26:17,237 --> 00:26:19,782
so you need to reconcile with that
453
00:26:19,867 --> 00:26:21,952
and start thinking about how
you're gonna deal with it,
454
00:26:22,035 --> 00:26:25,164
or stop.
455
00:26:25,247 --> 00:26:27,459
- That's not really a choice.
456
00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:29,295
- Yeah, I know.
457
00:26:29,378 --> 00:26:31,339
None of it is a choice.
You can't stop.
458
00:26:31,422 --> 00:26:32,925
- No.
- I know.
459
00:26:33,007 --> 00:26:36,011
- I mean, he's just beautiful,
he smells good.
460
00:26:36,094 --> 00:26:38,431
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
- I- I- I-
461
00:26:38,515 --> 00:26:42,646
I know what you're saying is true.
462
00:26:42,729 --> 00:26:45,398
I know what I need to do.
463
00:26:45,482 --> 00:26:47,276
I can't do it.
464
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:51,198
So I'm not asking what I should do.
465
00:26:51,281 --> 00:26:55,620
- You're asking...
466
00:26:55,703 --> 00:26:58,499
How did I not kill myself?
467
00:27:00,418 --> 00:27:01,711
Jesus.
468
00:27:04,674 --> 00:27:05,968
I remember feeling like that.
469
00:27:06,050 --> 00:27:08,177
That was- that's a...
470
00:27:08,262 --> 00:27:10,264
That's a bad feeling.
471
00:27:14,435 --> 00:27:17,023
I mean, you're doing something that-
472
00:27:17,106 --> 00:27:20,193
I was doing something
473
00:27:20,277 --> 00:27:23,072
that was the end
of absolutely everything
474
00:27:23,155 --> 00:27:25,366
and I kept- I kept doing it.
475
00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:26,785
- Yeah.
476
00:27:29,539 --> 00:27:31,249
- I never thought about killing myself,
477
00:27:31,332 --> 00:27:35,421
but I used to have fantasies
about something happening to me,
478
00:27:35,504 --> 00:27:40,845
you know, like getting hit by a truck
or falling off a cliff.
479
00:27:40,928 --> 00:27:42,806
That's a bad feeling.
480
00:27:46,936 --> 00:27:49,607
So, well...
481
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:54,654
I met your sister...
482
00:27:54,738 --> 00:27:56,907
when we started dating.
483
00:27:56,991 --> 00:28:00,161
Like we were dating for about a month,
right before we got married.
484
00:28:00,244 --> 00:28:02,039
- And I cannot believe
we got married that quick.
485
00:28:02,122 --> 00:28:03,875
- Yeah, that was dumb.
486
00:28:03,958 --> 00:28:05,543
I don't know, it was just-
I don't know.
487
00:28:05,627 --> 00:28:09,632
- So...
- So...
488
00:28:09,715 --> 00:28:12,052
you remember...
489
00:28:12,134 --> 00:28:14,096
I went to dinner with you
and your family?
490
00:28:14,179 --> 00:28:16,140
- Mm-hmm, sure.
491
00:28:16,223 --> 00:28:18,810
- Do you want to hear this?
- Sure.
492
00:28:20,938 --> 00:28:25,276
- Okay, so that's when I first met her,
was at that dinner,
493
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,237
and I- I forgot- I don't know why,
494
00:28:27,321 --> 00:28:30,575
but I asked her why she-
when she graduated high school,
495
00:28:30,659 --> 00:28:33,954
and you made that joke, you said,
"She's your age, Horace. "
496
00:28:34,038 --> 00:28:37,834
- Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.
497
00:28:37,918 --> 00:28:39,503
- This doesn't bother you
to hear about this?
498
00:28:39,587 --> 00:28:42,173
- No, it's helping me.
I think it's-
499
00:28:42,256 --> 00:28:44,134
- Did you forgive me or-
500
00:28:44,218 --> 00:28:46,763
- No.
No, I never did.
501
00:28:46,846 --> 00:28:48,390
I stayed mad at you for years.
502
00:28:48,473 --> 00:28:50,142
Why would I forgive you
for fucking my sister?
503
00:28:50,225 --> 00:28:53,187
Breaking apart the family?
Doing that to the kids?
504
00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:54,981
- Just, you don't seem mad anymore.
505
00:28:55,065 --> 00:28:57,735
- I'm not, it just went away.
506
00:28:57,819 --> 00:28:59,988
It's kinda sad.
507
00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,032
Um...
508
00:29:02,116 --> 00:29:03,743
No, I was so mad at you,
509
00:29:03,827 --> 00:29:05,745
I would walk around all day
with these bad feelings,
510
00:29:05,829 --> 00:29:11,002
about what you did
and I thought, well, someday,
511
00:29:11,086 --> 00:29:13,797
something'll happen, you know,
512
00:29:13,881 --> 00:29:18,302
I'll be overcome by a wave of kindness,
or I'll just-
513
00:29:18,386 --> 00:29:20,932
or I'll just figure out
a different way to look at it
514
00:29:21,015 --> 00:29:24,019
and I'll forgive you and I'll feel good,
but instead,
515
00:29:24,103 --> 00:29:27,648
what happens is,
time just takes the feelings away,
516
00:29:27,732 --> 00:29:33,321
they just kinda get dim
with time going by,
517
00:29:33,406 --> 00:29:36,201
they just go away
and you don't get to figure it out.
518
00:29:36,284 --> 00:29:38,204
It's like erosion, it just goes away.
519
00:29:38,287 --> 00:29:40,623
It's kinda sad.
- Yeah.
520
00:29:40,707 --> 00:29:44,837
- Anyway, uh, I don't feel anything
about it, Horace.
521
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:50,302
But, well, all that's left is,
I'm curious how you got through it.
522
00:29:54,265 --> 00:29:55,642
- Okay.
523
00:29:55,726 --> 00:29:58,104
So, Rosemary.
524
00:30:02,151 --> 00:30:04,445
You know, I never thought about her
that way when I first met her.
525
00:30:04,528 --> 00:30:07,074
I mean, she was all right.
She was your sister.
526
00:30:10,495 --> 00:30:13,874
And then...
527
00:30:13,958 --> 00:30:16,044
Shit.
528
00:30:16,127 --> 00:30:18,255
Yes?
529
00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:23,053
- Well, then we got married,
530
00:30:23,136 --> 00:30:27,391
and then one day, you were at work
531
00:30:27,475 --> 00:30:31,396
and I was home,
and she came over to get something,
532
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,862
I don't remember what,
and we fucked.
533
00:30:36,946 --> 00:30:38,572
- So that's it?
534
00:30:38,656 --> 00:30:40,700
- Yeah, I mean, it's not
a cool story like yours.
535
00:30:40,784 --> 00:30:42,702
But, um...
536
00:30:42,786 --> 00:30:44,497
Maybe it was, I don't remember.
537
00:30:47,209 --> 00:30:50,004
Anyway, once we figured that out,
538
00:30:50,088 --> 00:30:53,675
that we were into fucking each other
and not telling anybody,
539
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,428
we started to do it a lot.
540
00:30:56,512 --> 00:30:59,308
And after a while,
we couldn't stop doing it.
541
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:00,935
- Oh, God.
542
00:31:01,018 --> 00:31:02,687
- Yeah, it was a lot of fucking.
543
00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:04,731
A lot.
544
00:31:04,815 --> 00:31:07,442
And then, just the worst...
545
00:31:07,526 --> 00:31:11,156
The worst, worst, worst, worst,
worst feeling
546
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,158
in the whole wide fucking world.
547
00:31:13,242 --> 00:31:15,578
- Yeah.
548
00:31:15,662 --> 00:31:19,917
- I would lie awake next to you,
549
00:31:20,001 --> 00:31:24,172
just thinking,
what if she finds out?
550
00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:27,176
Like scared, like what if
she finds out?
551
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,763
And then all the shit
with the kids when they were born.
552
00:31:29,847 --> 00:31:31,932
Horace...
553
00:31:32,017 --> 00:31:34,311
- Well, I couldn't have been
doing a worse thing.
554
00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:36,105
I couldn't have been doing
a worse thing.
555
00:31:36,188 --> 00:31:39,192
It was the worst thing I could ever do.
556
00:31:39,276 --> 00:31:40,903
And I kept doing it.
557
00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:43,072
- Yeah. Yeah.
558
00:31:43,156 --> 00:31:45,533
- And every day, every single day,
559
00:31:45,617 --> 00:31:48,579
I would think,
I don't want to be alive.
560
00:31:48,662 --> 00:31:50,539
I just want it all to end.
561
00:31:50,623 --> 00:31:53,169
Not just me,
I wanted us all to die.
562
00:31:53,252 --> 00:31:54,962
- Oh, Jesus.
563
00:31:55,046 --> 00:31:58,592
- Well, I wanted everybody
involved in any way
564
00:31:58,675 --> 00:32:00,427
to just stop existing.
565
00:32:00,510 --> 00:32:03,139
It was the only clean way out.
566
00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:06,185
I remember on 9/11 when
the planes had hit the buildings
567
00:32:06,268 --> 00:32:09,189
and on the news they said that
Washington was on fire
568
00:32:09,272 --> 00:32:11,025
and there was-
569
00:32:11,108 --> 00:32:12,276
Remember, everybody thought
there was more planes coming?
570
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,694
- Yeah, God.
571
00:32:13,778 --> 00:32:16,031
- I thought,
maybe this is it, maybe...
572
00:32:16,114 --> 00:32:19,202
maybe the planes will take us out
and this will all be over.
573
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:22,081
- Oh, that's... horrible.
574
00:32:22,164 --> 00:32:23,916
It's horrible.
575
00:32:23,999 --> 00:32:27,545
- Well, I preferred that
to what I knew would happen, and did,
576
00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:30,257
that everybody would find out
what I was doing.
577
00:32:30,341 --> 00:32:31,926
- Mm-hmm.
578
00:32:32,009 --> 00:32:34,554
- I would picture you finding out.
579
00:32:34,638 --> 00:32:37,558
Like I would close my eyes
and I'd picture your face
580
00:32:37,642 --> 00:32:40,688
and I'd see all this hate in your eyes
581
00:32:40,771 --> 00:32:44,150
that I knew I could never
come back from,
582
00:32:44,234 --> 00:32:47,863
and I kept on fucking her,
583
00:32:47,947 --> 00:32:49,740
and you hated me anyway.
584
00:32:49,824 --> 00:32:52,577
- What?
- You hated me.
585
00:32:52,661 --> 00:32:56,124
- Horace, you thought
I hated you before we broke up?
586
00:32:56,207 --> 00:32:58,419
I didn't hate you.
587
00:32:58,501 --> 00:33:00,380
I didn't.
588
00:33:00,463 --> 00:33:03,049
- Yeah, I kinda know that now.
589
00:33:03,133 --> 00:33:05,052
I mean, come on, honey,
we were-
590
00:33:05,136 --> 00:33:07,138
I was 21, you were 32.
591
00:33:17,402 --> 00:33:21,614
- Well, you know, Horace,
aside from all of that,
592
00:33:21,698 --> 00:33:23,951
you were never
anything but nice to me.
593
00:33:24,035 --> 00:33:29,167
I mean, like just daily life,
like, you know,
594
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:31,085
all that time,
you were always just nice
595
00:33:31,169 --> 00:33:33,964
and I do wish that I had put
a higher value on that than I did.
596
00:33:34,048 --> 00:33:35,841
I- Maybe that's a part of the reason.
597
00:33:35,924 --> 00:33:38,887
- Sarah, I fucked your sister.
598
00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:41,348
That's the story, okay?
That's what happened.
599
00:33:41,432 --> 00:33:43,100
- Yeah.
600
00:33:43,185 --> 00:33:44,978
- We don't have to dig
any deeper than that.
601
00:33:45,062 --> 00:33:47,398
- No, that- that does make it
a lot easier, doesn't it?
602
00:33:47,482 --> 00:33:50,402
- Well, that's why people
do stuff like that, like this.
603
00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:53,448
Because then you don't have
to go through all the muck.
604
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:55,700
Otherwise, you have to go
through all the muck,
605
00:33:55,784 --> 00:33:58,913
and nobody can do that,
so you just...
606
00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:01,665
In a bad marriage?
Fuck a relative and get out.
607
00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:03,376
It works.
608
00:34:03,461 --> 00:34:05,171
It's like an insurance fire.
609
00:34:05,254 --> 00:34:07,006
And you know, when a building
burns to the ground,
610
00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:08,383
nobody asks any questions,
611
00:34:08,467 --> 00:34:10,177
you just gotta really burn it down.
612
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:14,391
- I don't even know why
I'm laughing.
613
00:34:14,475 --> 00:34:16,185
- Come on.
614
00:34:16,268 --> 00:34:17,853
Like let's get real.
615
00:34:17,937 --> 00:34:21,024
Sarah, you know what you should do?
616
00:34:21,108 --> 00:34:23,152
You want to know the truth?
You should get out.
617
00:34:23,236 --> 00:34:25,531
You should leave Glen and get out.
618
00:34:25,613 --> 00:34:27,324
That's what you're doing anyway
by fucking his dad,
619
00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:28,826
you're getting out.
- I can't do it.
620
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:30,453
I can't, I can't.
621
00:34:30,537 --> 00:34:32,581
No, ahh, I have to face it,
I have to fix it.
622
00:34:32,664 --> 00:34:35,292
- That is facing it.
That's facing it.
623
00:34:35,376 --> 00:34:37,295
Get out and then
the whole mess is fixed.
624
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:38,421
That's the fix.
625
00:34:38,505 --> 00:34:40,299
- Well, but I can-
626
00:34:40,383 --> 00:34:42,553
I- I can stop.
I can stop with Roger.
627
00:34:42,635 --> 00:34:44,888
That's what a good person would do.
628
00:34:44,972 --> 00:34:47,559
That's what I'm called on to do.
629
00:34:47,641 --> 00:34:49,811
Don't just throw up your hands,
say, oh, well, I-
630
00:34:49,894 --> 00:34:52,231
You know, I do this awful thing,
so come what may.
631
00:34:52,314 --> 00:34:56,069
You have to correct your behavior,
and you have to strive to be better
632
00:34:56,153 --> 00:34:57,321
for the people in your life.
- Okay.
633
00:34:57,405 --> 00:34:59,073
Sarah, tell yourself the story
634
00:34:59,157 --> 00:35:00,576
where you've been fucking this guy
as long as you have
635
00:35:00,658 --> 00:35:02,369
and then all of a sudden,
you just stop,
636
00:35:02,452 --> 00:35:04,830
and then you just go back to one
big happy family every Christmas
637
00:35:04,913 --> 00:35:07,709
and Easter in your house
in the woods, is that-
638
00:35:07,792 --> 00:35:10,004
Do you see that future?
- No, no.
639
00:35:10,087 --> 00:35:13,842
- You gotta get out.
You gotta get out.
640
00:35:13,925 --> 00:35:16,012
- I- I don't want-
641
00:35:16,095 --> 00:35:18,055
I don't want to have another divorce.
642
00:35:18,139 --> 00:35:20,767
Horace, I can't take it,
I mean, ours was what it was.
643
00:35:20,851 --> 00:35:23,479
I don't blame you,
I don't blame me,
644
00:35:23,563 --> 00:35:26,609
it just happened,
but if it happens to me again,
645
00:35:26,691 --> 00:35:28,402
what does that say?
646
00:35:28,486 --> 00:35:31,239
- It says that you're shitty
at being married.
647
00:35:31,323 --> 00:35:33,700
It's okay, so am I.
648
00:35:33,783 --> 00:35:35,495
That doesn't make you a bad person.
649
00:35:35,579 --> 00:35:37,038
Just don't be married.
650
00:35:37,122 --> 00:35:39,917
Just get out
and don't do it again.
651
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,128
Just be alone, like me.
652
00:35:42,212 --> 00:35:44,256
You can't stay in this fucking thing
653
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:48,053
just to try to make the truth
not be true.
654
00:35:48,136 --> 00:35:50,889
That's insane, that's- that's Catholic.
655
00:35:50,972 --> 00:35:53,142
- Those kids love me,
they really do,
656
00:35:53,226 --> 00:35:56,146
and I love them, and- and-
and they lost their mother.
657
00:35:56,230 --> 00:36:00,401
How do I now just- just pull
out of their life so violently
658
00:36:00,486 --> 00:36:02,863
in such a terrible way?
I'd have to be a terrible person.
659
00:36:02,947 --> 00:36:04,658
- You had your kids.
660
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:06,117
You had your kids, okay?
661
00:36:06,201 --> 00:36:08,287
And you raised your kids.
662
00:36:08,371 --> 00:36:12,501
Their- their dad...
663
00:36:12,584 --> 00:36:15,505
fucked the family up.
664
00:36:15,588 --> 00:36:19,801
You stayed and saw them through
their childhood, okay?
665
00:36:19,884 --> 00:36:23,013
Those are Glen's kids, not yours,
666
00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:25,141
and they lost their mom.
667
00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:26,602
That's what happened to them.
668
00:36:26,686 --> 00:36:28,980
Bu anything you give them is plus.
669
00:36:29,063 --> 00:36:31,024
They got to be with you, okay?
670
00:36:31,108 --> 00:36:33,403
If you leave, it doesn't mean
that they give that back.
671
00:36:33,486 --> 00:36:35,739
Just because you pull out
doesn't mean that you weren't-
672
00:36:35,822 --> 00:36:36,864
that you were never there.
673
00:36:39,577 --> 00:36:43,582
- Boy, you really have a skill
at justifying horrible things.
674
00:36:43,666 --> 00:36:45,835
- Yeah.
675
00:36:49,214 --> 00:36:51,174
- I don't know what to do.
676
00:36:51,259 --> 00:36:53,219
- No, you don't.
677
00:36:53,303 --> 00:36:55,431
Oh, God.
678
00:37:07,112 --> 00:37:11,409
- All right, well,
here's what you gotta do.
679
00:37:11,493 --> 00:37:14,580
This is what you gotta do,
you might as well do it.
680
00:37:14,664 --> 00:37:17,876
Go back and keep fucking Roger.
681
00:37:17,959 --> 00:37:22,716
Keep loving Glen and the kids.
682
00:37:22,799 --> 00:37:26,845
Just do both things as long as you can
as well as you can.
683
00:37:26,928 --> 00:37:29,475
That's what you're gonna do.
684
00:37:29,558 --> 00:37:31,143
You know that's
what you're gonna do,
685
00:37:31,226 --> 00:37:32,353
so you just might as well decide
you're gonna do it.
686
00:37:32,436 --> 00:37:35,315
- Yeah.
687
00:37:35,398 --> 00:37:37,401
Yep.
688
00:37:40,112 --> 00:37:42,199
Oh, my God.
689
00:37:42,282 --> 00:37:44,786
What am I?
690
00:37:44,868 --> 00:37:48,248
- You're just like a whole bunch
of other people, Sarah.
691
00:37:48,332 --> 00:37:51,378
Like a lot of other people.
692
00:37:52,962 --> 00:37:54,590
Like you could field an army
693
00:37:54,673 --> 00:37:58,260
with how many people have been
in your situation.
694
00:37:58,345 --> 00:38:02,140
Literally, you could gather
the cheaters of the world,
695
00:38:02,225 --> 00:38:06,188
and you could wage war
on the honest and you'd win.
696
00:38:06,271 --> 00:38:09,651
- Oh, God, you're awful.
697
00:38:09,734 --> 00:38:12,320
- You're gonna be okay,
you know.
698
00:38:12,405 --> 00:38:14,657
It's gonna be okay.
You're gonna be okay, Sarah.
699
00:38:14,741 --> 00:38:16,451
- Well, I don't know how
you know that.
700
00:38:16,535 --> 00:38:18,746
- Because,
you know how I know it?
701
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:20,706
'Cause I'm okay.
702
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:23,585
And I was right where you are,
and I'm okay.
703
00:38:23,669 --> 00:38:24,962
- What about Glen?
704
00:38:25,045 --> 00:38:26,964
- He'll be okay, too,
705
00:38:27,047 --> 00:38:31,470
because he is where you were,
and you're okay.
706
00:38:31,554 --> 00:38:33,264
- Yeah.
707
00:38:33,347 --> 00:38:36,644
- And his kids will be fine,
'cause look at our kids.
708
00:38:41,692 --> 00:38:43,318
Fuck.
709
00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:51,162
How is he?
710
00:38:51,245 --> 00:38:52,914
I know, I mean,
I follow him on Instagram
711
00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:55,041
so I know...
- Yeah.
712
00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:56,879
- ... he's on a lacrosse team
713
00:38:56,961 --> 00:39:00,507
and he went to Peru
with his natural history class,
714
00:39:00,591 --> 00:39:02,510
but how is he?
- Well, I-
715
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:06,973
He made me promise
not to talk to you about him.
716
00:39:07,057 --> 00:39:09,686
- Oh, okay.
717
00:39:09,769 --> 00:39:12,063
Did he-
He knew you were coming here
718
00:39:12,147 --> 00:39:14,775
to tell me that you're fucking
your new husband's dad?
719
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,863
- Ehh.
- Well, ouch, okay?
720
00:39:17,947 --> 00:39:19,364
I mean...
721
00:39:19,448 --> 00:39:21,033
Fuck, man.
722
00:39:21,117 --> 00:39:23,412
I get it, I got it coming,
but it fucking hurts.
723
00:39:23,496 --> 00:39:25,164
That's...
724
00:39:25,247 --> 00:39:26,750
- So I'm honoring his...
725
00:39:26,833 --> 00:39:30,212
promise in the sense that,
you know,
726
00:39:30,295 --> 00:39:31,547
I'm telling you about it.
727
00:39:31,631 --> 00:39:35,511
I- I do owe him that,
but I think that you should know,
728
00:39:35,594 --> 00:39:38,806
your son is doing really great.
729
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:46,233
I mean, he's great.
730
00:39:46,316 --> 00:39:50,279
He's a lovely guy, Horace.
731
00:39:50,363 --> 00:39:53,575
He- he- he-
732
00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:57,957
He's nice to everybody
and it's genuine.
733
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,000
He's got a girl, terrific.
734
00:40:00,084 --> 00:40:01,544
She's terrific.
735
00:40:04,548 --> 00:40:06,759
And he likes life.
736
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,225
And, um, he's...
737
00:40:13,308 --> 00:40:15,144
thoughtful.
738
00:40:15,228 --> 00:40:18,399
He... picks good friends.
739
00:40:18,482 --> 00:40:20,652
He's really good with tough things,
740
00:40:20,735 --> 00:40:25,324
and so he's doing really good.
741
00:40:25,408 --> 00:40:26,785
- Thanks.
742
00:40:26,868 --> 00:40:28,370
- Yeah.
743
00:40:31,499 --> 00:40:33,293
- I'm really blowing it with Alice.
744
00:40:33,376 --> 00:40:34,962
She's always pissed at me.
745
00:40:35,045 --> 00:40:37,381
- Oh, well, you know,
she just needs to stop already.
746
00:40:37,464 --> 00:40:39,092
I don't even-
747
00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:41,429
How long does she think
she gets to stay a kid?
748
00:40:41,512 --> 00:40:44,432
- Well...
- No, Hor- No.
749
00:40:44,515 --> 00:40:46,810
I mean, she's almost a lawyer now.
750
00:40:46,894 --> 00:40:51,609
You- you are making an effort
to be in her life.
751
00:40:51,692 --> 00:40:53,902
Nobody owes her any more than that.
752
00:40:53,987 --> 00:40:55,780
She's being a big fat brat.
753
00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:57,950
- Jesus, wow.
- Well, I-
754
00:40:58,034 --> 00:41:00,703
I can't- I can't with that.
755
00:41:00,786 --> 00:41:04,416
I can't with that one.
That's enough, I...
756
00:41:04,499 --> 00:41:06,753
- All right, I'll take it.
757
00:41:09,255 --> 00:41:10,591
I didn't really...
758
00:41:10,674 --> 00:41:12,010
I didn't really know, you know,
759
00:41:12,093 --> 00:41:14,178
what I was throwing away
with those guys.
760
00:41:14,262 --> 00:41:17,058
- You still don't know, Horace,
but forgive yourself.
761
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:20,771
And- and- and you want
to know something?
762
00:41:20,854 --> 00:41:25,610
I'm happy for you,
'cause I think that you found peace.
763
00:41:25,693 --> 00:41:28,072
I wish that I could do it.
764
00:41:28,154 --> 00:41:30,659
I can't, I'm weak,
'cause I need somebody.
765
00:41:30,742 --> 00:41:35,831
And it takes a strength
and a self-acceptance to be alone
766
00:41:35,915 --> 00:41:37,876
and I really do-
I feel like you found it
767
00:41:37,959 --> 00:41:40,712
and you're living your truth,
you're living honestly
768
00:41:40,797 --> 00:41:43,926
and- and...
769
00:41:44,009 --> 00:41:47,179
So... I'm proud of you.
770
00:41:49,432 --> 00:41:51,811
I'm just...
771
00:41:51,894 --> 00:41:53,813
I'm really happy for you.
772
00:41:55,481 --> 00:41:57,067
So long, hon.
773
00:41:57,151 --> 00:41:58,568
- Bye, Sarah, see you.
- Take care.
774
00:41:58,652 --> 00:41:59,862
- Okay.
775
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,838
- I can't believe you married that cunt.
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