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You know, guys, I'm popping my podcast cherry today.

What? Yeah. You've never been on one? No.

And I don't think there's a more iconic way to pop

your podcast cherry.

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Hello. You're very welcome to episode 2

of The Walsh Sisters: The Official Podcast,

presented by me, Marion Keyes.

And me, Stefanie Preissner.

We both hope that you enjoyed episode 2 last night.

Left us on quite a cliffhanger. It did. It certainly did.

Mother God, all these cliffhangers.

Episode 1 finishes with a Cliffhanger.

Well, apparently, it's the otherwise people

don't keep watching, Marion. Is that what it is?

Yeah. Very good because I'm dying to know, even though I do know.

But still, can I talk about poor Rachel?

Like...

It's nothing like she expects.

Having to share a room with Jackie,

not what she had signed up for.

Did you have to share a room? God, yeah.

I was really lucky that there was only two of us in the room.

There was five men in the room next door, and it was

like a Jenga thing.

You couldn't see the floor.

The beds were all arranged in a way that, like,

you could hardly get through.

But it's good for people.

It's good for me.

Well, it was good for me to kind of, rough it a little a bit.

And then having to do all the cooking prep.

I mean, acres of potatoes I pared, pealed.

The worst bit was to be put on breakfasts because you

have to get up really early.

And then if you're like me, the smell of eggs is just like it's

equivalent to hell having to do all of that.

But the thing when Jackie is making the noise

when she's asleep,

and like, Rachel is just driven wild with rage.

And she's in that withdrawal period as well.

So irritable. Yes, your nerves are in bits.

Yeah, like your nerve endings are frayed and she's lacking the B

vitamins and everything sounds so loud.

And there's your woman smacking away.

Face yoga. Yes, exactly.

We also have that scene where, em,

Rachel goes in and meets Josephine

for the first time, and she has- All the defences.

Yes. The rules are explained to her.

Yes. And then they say, oh, we need to check your bag as well.

Yeah.

That wasn't me in all fairness to me.

I didn't actually bring anything in with me.

But would they have checked? Completely.

They did check. Yeah, they did.

But in the book, she brought a jar of vallium

instead of just a little card, which is easier to hide.

But just that absolute panic of thinking they're going to take

away everything, everything.

And her putting it behind the mirror.

Y'know? For safekeeping. Yeah.

But Josephine's knowing look. I love it.

Yeah, as Rachel goes hairing off.

In the books, Josephine is a nun,

and when I wanted her to be a nun, some of the feedback

that came back on the scripts was like, oh, look,

I think just Ireland and nuns, it just reads slightly different.

But I think we've done a really good job of having her nun coded.

Very much so.

The hair. The cardigan plus polo neck.

Plus.. (chuckles) It's an excellent combo.

Very, very...it's giving nun.

It's giving nun. It really is.

And Regina Moxley there serving so well as Josephine.

Yeah. I mean, It was lots of things, though.

I also like Damian, is that his name?

I really like Damian saying, Doesn't you have a great time?

Every time I go, I have a great time.

Every time I go, you get all your meals, you get to

talk about yourself all the time.

And then when you come out, everyone thinks you're a hero.

I just thought that was so funny that it's a regular event for him.

It's like, I don't know, going to a spa or something.

And that is a huge thing in the book where for a sustained

period of time, Rachel thinks that there's a spa.

I thought there was a spa when I went.

It was one of the reasons I went.

You thought there was like a Jacuzzi and a...

Yeah, and massages. I thought you'd get massages.

I thought that that's what you needed to get well.

Yoga and massages and juicing. Maybe not juicing.

I don't know if it was a thing 30 years ago, but fruit, definitely.

(laughs)

How long into your stay did you realise there was no spa?

Yeah, about 30 seconds.

Partly it was, oh, yeah, because I said then, is there a gym?

And they said, there's no gym.

And I said, well, can I run in the grounds?

And they said, no, you can't because of insurance.

And that was a real shocker.

And so what did they do for exercise?

I walked around the grounds.

I did like 20 circuits a day.

And somebody told me four circuits was a mile.

Or it wasn't, but I was delusional.

I believed what I wanted to believe.

And would they not be looking at the anorexics and the

bulimics who over-exercise? It's so funny.

It's not funny, but sad, I suppose.

When I there, which is like 32 years ago,

there weren't eating disorder patients there.

It was alcohol, drugs, gambling. That was it.

That was it.

And even the gamblers were very thin on the ground.

It was mostly alcoholism. Yeah.

God, it's wild, isn't it?

Because I know now that a lot of people would be in for...

And I think we point to it there where Rachel goes and she's

handed her dinner. C�line says to her, you're very thin.

She goes, well, thank you. You've got lovely hair.

That's so funny and so true. I was like, good.

Thank you. Well, I like your look, too.

Even though she's very unwell. Yeah.

So I decided to stay very close to the books

because as you shared there, like,

you have lived experience of rehab and what it was like.

And I think that really is vibrant in the books

and really helps people because

there's an awful lot of rehab books and AA-adjacent

stuff on TV and in literature,

but some of it seems very, very broad.

But there are little details in your books

that I tried to keep in the show, which meant that,

we didn't have to be there for as long.

But when we were there, the details made you totally buy

that this was a legitimate place. Yes.

That has, that's not made up from someone's head.

Yeah, and that it is absolutely nothing like what you'd imagine

the Meadows in Arizona is like, if there is such.

There's like floaty white muslin spas that are rehabs.

No, it's brutal. We have a clip here to play for you.

So it's not true that Neil broke your nose on two occasions.

Your jaw fractured your arm and that your daughter had to get...

Stop.

Please.

It's not true.

Neil, I'm sorry. Neil?

She's lying.

She's lying.

Are you Eimear? Yes.

Still protecting him.

You'd rather put him ahead of yourself, ahead of your children.

No.

What's that, Eimear?

No.

So it is true, isn't it?

I've got the Garda reports and the hospital notes to back it up.

It's true, isn't it?

Yes.

Why did you abuse your wife?

It's not my fault.

She knows exactly how to push my buttons when I've had a few.

Rachel.

She drove me to it.

(laboured breathing)

Okay, we'll take a short break here.

So in the book, we have a lot more time to set up

Neil and Rachel

and their relationship and her perception of

people before she gets to an ISO.

And in the show, because we have this limited real

estate, we just have the ability to have one line of Neil being

charming and nice and this little interaction.

Do you want to read the bit from the book and then I can talk

about- Yes, how you incorporated. How I changed it.

Okay.

In the afternoon, a nice man I hadn't seen

before came and spoke to me. How'a'ya?

He said, Neil's the name, and I'm in Josephine's group too.

I didn't meet you yesterday because I was at the dentist.

Normally, I wouldn't give the time of day to anyone who introduced

themselves by saying Neil's the name, but there was

something about him I liked.

He was twinkly, smiley, and quite young.

I found myself sitting up straight and making a bit

of an effort for him.

Although, even before I saw the wedding ring on his finger,

I knew he was married.

It was something to do with the smoothness of his jumper

and the uncreasedness of his trousers.

I had a strange pang of disappointment.

How are you getting on with this crowd of head cases?

He jerked his head around the room at the brown jumpers.

A warmth filled me.

A normal person.

They're okay, I giggled, for a crowd of head cases.

And what did you make of Josephine?

She's a bit scary, I admitted.

Ah, she's another head case, he said.

She puts thoughts in people's minds, makes them admit

to things that aren't true.

So that's all really crucial information that sets up

Rachel as like, this is Neil. He's nice.

He and I are the only two normal people in here.

And then that gets reefed from under her in his ISO,

which is the first ISO we see in the book and in the show.

Yes.

Yeah, exactly.

His wife is terrified of him.

His wife was telling the truth in the questionnaire.

And if he's an alcoholic and she had found kinship with him,

what does that make her? What does that make me?

And also my my judge of people and what are people going

to say about me?

And this place, this has gotten really serious.

So she takes that break and she goes

to Josephine's office to ring,

I guess, to protect herself, to try and get out.

Yeah, because she suddenly realised people are going to come

in and tell the truth about her.

And she's doing that thing that every addict does of trying,

trying to protect your addiction.

Because it was grand while she thought she'd be passing the time.

But if actually people are going to be honest about her.

Yeah, then what's going to happen? Yeah.

Well that was my experience.

Everybody thinks that they're special and different

and that people shouldn't be mean about them.

It's all very well for those other people who are probably real

alcoholics and addicts, but not for me.

I guess we talk about Anna and Aidan,

a big old episode for them.

What was your favourite day with me?

Okay.

Probably the night you and Luke tried to move the

Phil Lynott statue.

No, actually, (chuckles) it was the day that we fought

in Stefen's green about what we'd call our kids.

What was it? (chuckles)

No, what was the name that you said?

Cody. Cody.

Oh my God, it was Cody.

As if I'd call my child Cody, Cody from Blackrock.

It's going to be Ronan.

Will we be able to dance at our wedding?

Anna, I need you to understand how serious Aidan's injuries are.

I do.

Poor Anna.

I mean, God, it's been up and down, hasn't it?

Yeah. Getting engaged.

And then the crash.

And then I just love the family dynamic in the hospital.

Claire, she has some clangers in this episode where the doctor

comes in to check on Anna.

And Anna says, will Aidan speak more today?

And the doctor says, people often wish that I was

a psychic as well as a doctor.

And Claire says, I went to a psychic once.

And she said, I would marry a man in uniform.

Unbelievable. Yes.

Still, you've got to admire that the survival instinct, that,

yeah, there aren't too many of them out there.

I'm of a certain age, and I need to get locked in.

I am focused.

A doctor would be a great person to date.

Yes. Didn't somebody say that Mammy Walsh would be thrilled?

They haven't said it yet, Mar- Oh, I beg your pardon.

Sorry, lads. Sorry.

I also love Mammy Walsh in this episode and some of,

some of the clangers she has with the doctor,

like every one of them physically healthy and emotionally

unstable, and I breastfed.

I mean, God love her.

I mean, really the ultimate sacrifice, five of them.

Which I don't actually think that Mammy Walsh, of the books,

would have done or a woman her age would have done,

but it was just so perfect

for the situation that I decided she did.

Yes, and she might have. Somebody must have breastfed.

Yeah, I just don't know that she would have been the type,

but maybe she was. I mean, if a neighbour was breastfeeding, too,

she probably would have felt the pressure to keep-

The peer pressure. Yeah.

But It's so funny the way I wrote her originally

'cause she was 30 years older.

That entire generation

didn't breastfeed because they were afraid

of talking about their breasts, quite literally.

That was it? That was it.

That was the real reason.

Do you know who told me that? Who?

Sabina Higgins, President Higgins' wife.

Oh, fair play to her. Yeah.

Can I talk about my favourite line?

Talk about your favourite line.

When Aidan asks her, what was the nicest day you had with me?

And she's thinking, was it the day that you and Luke

moved the Phil Lynott statue. (laugh)

I mean, what is it about the statues of our

icons that we just... You know what?

Like poor Luke Kelly's head as well.

Do you remember? People were always doing things to them.

So maybe after the break, we'll have Caroline Menton,

AKA, Rachel Walsh, join us. That would be fabulous.

And talk about that. Lovely.

Join us after this. Thank you.

Welcome back to part 2 of the Walsh Sisters' official

podcast with me, Stefanie Prisner.

And me, Marion Keyes.

Our inaugural special guest.

Caroline Menton! Woo-oo-ooh!

Welcome to the pod, Caroline AKA Rachel.

You know, guys, I'm popping my podcast cherry today.

What? Yeah. You've never been on one? No.

And I don't think there's a more iconic way to pop

your podcast cherry.

We are honoured. Yeah. Yes.

So it's a massive privilege.

You've really never been on one? No.

Well, this won't be... This is definitely not your last.

Yeah, exactly. It's the start of millions.

We'll see how today goes, and then we'll see about that.

Thank you so much for being an amazing, Rachel Walsh.

Above and beyond.

Thank you so much.

I mean, obviously, that's the highest compliment

coming from you.

Thank you just so much for the opportunity and also

creating this amazing, iconic character in this world

with this mad, chaotic family.

It was an incredible experience.

Before you compliment each other to death.

All right. Okay, sorry.

Tell us ...about your journey to becoming Rachel.

My journey to becoming Rachel.

I mean, obviously, the first step was the auditioning process.

And I remember it came through and the first thing I saw was

it had association to your books.

And I think when any actress sees that they immediately pay

attention, I read episode one and two and I was hooked.

I was like, this is amazing.

It's just so funny.

It's so fast paced. It's so wishy.

I connected so much to the characters and related-

I come from a really big family.

I'm one of five girls. Oh, my God.

Are you serious? Yeah, yeah.

And I do have a brother, give him a shout out, but I totally

could relate to just the dynamics and navigating all

of those personalities.

So it was a complete joy.

I just threw myself into the work for two weeks.

And I have to say, we have never, ever seen

a more prepared audition.

Like, it was bizarre.

It was like, oh, my God.

Now, I had seen you a while back doing a couple of other things.

And you were just on my radar.

And I said to Ian, I want...

And the casting director Maureen Hughes, I was like,

I want this girl in. I want Caroline Menton in.

And they were like, yeah, okay.

And then we'd be talking about other names.

And I was like, yeah, but can we definitely get

Caroline Menton in?

And they were like, Ian sat me down because I can

get quite one note about things.

I think it's like the autistic brain.

You're fixated. I identify.

Maureen Hughes said to me, Stefanie, this is a huge show.

This is a huge piece of intellectual property.

We have to audition lots of Rachel's.

I know you have in your head who you want, but this...

And Ian was also like, Stefanie, I'm not going to be told.

This is my show that I'm directing.

Now, he didn't say this is my show, but he was very much like,

You can't. But this is not a fait accompli.

We're going to see people, and I was Okay, that's fine with me.

I just want this girl in the room.

And maybe she's wrong, but I just think she's right.

And she came into the room, you did your audition,

and you left, and I was so smug

because Ian was like, slack-jawed.

Maureen was like, that was a great audition scene.

You had the one- It was the one with Josephine where she

catches me on the phone.

Actually, we have a clip of that. Yeah.

Oh, amazing. Let's watch it.

Hi, this is Anna.

Please leave a message.

Hey, Anna, listen, they took my phone, okay?

I need you to come to visiting hours next Sunday

and get some zimos off Dan.

Do you still have any valium?

Because I'm not safe, okay? And I need some...

I was just calling my sister.

Okay.

You can't keep me here.

I'm not safe.

Your parents reckon you're not safe outside of here.

Well, that's bullshit.

Well, if I call any of them, they'll come and get

me straight away.

I want to leave. I want to retire at 50.

Well, you're way older than 50. Exactly.

Okay, look.

You seem like a really smart lady. I can see that.

But my family overreacted.

I'm only here to please my parents.

I shouldn't be here.

This is just one really big, expensive mistake.

If you leave now, it could be the last decision you ever make.

You can't keep me here.

I'll run away. I'll escape.

There's nothing stopping me from walking out the gate right now.

You're right. There's nothing stopping you

except that little voice inside you that knows you need help.

It's really powerful.

And the denial.

What we thought was so impressive was...an addict has this

suite of weapons. That's right.

So they're going to do anger, then they're going to do

manipulation, sweet talking. Yeah.

And then you seem like a really smart lady.

Yeah, fawning. New tactic.

When you came into your audition, you had all of that.

There were just these massive gear changes.

Yeah. And it was just so very impressive.

And I just felt so smug. Thanks Stef.

Now, we did more auditions.

Then I was afraid every time.

Every time someone came in, I was afraid.

That they'd be better. Yes.

I was like, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God.

No, fail, fail.

But then you're also into chemistry test, right?

Because then we saw Louisa as Anna and we were like,

okay, she's incredible.

I think she's going to have the heart because Anna's really

tricky because she has to play grief

for a long time and whatever.

And then you're like, okay, let's audition them together.

And what if they don't gel well? Who are we going to choose?

Auditioning is definitely the least worst way

of trying to cast a thing.

But, yeah, you were just...

We were all blown away. Yes. Thank you.

Well, I was just so happy to be there and be in the room

and be with Louisa as well.

That was like such a... On the second, yeah.

That was our chemistry test.

I remember you coming in and saying, look,

whatever happens, I think these scripts are incredible.

And even if it's not me, I just think they're so good.

And then I was like, they all say that. I know!

You know all I said that to Stef and honestly

meant it so sincerely, so genuinely.

All actors say that.

And when we started shooting, she was like,

yeah, everyone says that.

I was like, no, but I really meant it.

Everyone does come in. They're like, the scripts are great.

But it's funny. I knew it was going to be you because

Tony and I had gone to see

a film last October, and there was a trailer on for Oddity.

I hadn't heard your name, but-

Stef hadn't said it to me at that point.

But I'd seen the trailer and I thought, dude,

that is way too scary.

There's absolutely no way I can go and see that film.

But I saw your name on the thing, and that stayed in my head.

So then when you said it to me, I knew.

You had recognised it from Oddity? Yeah.

Tell me, Marion, did you go back and watch it?

Oddity? No, I can't watch.

No, no, no.

No disrespect or anything. No, that's fair enough.

But the fact that it's still... Horrors aren't for everyone.

Yeah, and you had short white hair in it, didn't you?

Yeah, so they gave me a lovely blonde bob.

Yeah.

Obviously, in Walsh Sisters, I had like...

totally transformed by the hair. The hair became a part of it..

I loved the way it became part of her deconstruction.

That the hair became wilder and

more dishevelled as she unravelled.

Yeah, and we actually spoke about that.

So Orla Caroll was the hair designer on the show.

She was amazing. She did my hair for me one day.

I'll never forget it. It was the happiest day of my life.

She's just such a dote.

But that was one part of the conversation.

And actually, what was really lovely,

it was so collaborative in every department, to be honest.

And we spoke about the hair, and she just said, I think

the hair is a real indicator of where she is

in terms of her mental health.

So the more dishevelled the hair is, she's in a place

where she's not...

Self care is not a priority.

Because I do think hair is a real indicator of your

wellbeing and your...

And how much you feel you're worth taking care of or not.

Exactly. And she was reduced to survival.

Yeah, totally.

That was absolutely not even on her orbit in terms of how she

physically is presenting herself because she's just not...

That's not... a priority. A priority in any way.

And then, yeah, I suppose

we can't really talk about the last episode.

No. Okay.

Yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

But talk to us about...

So that's how you prepared for the audition.

But then once you got the role, you did not drop the prep,

like you're the most diligent little actor.

It's very adorable. I love prep.

I just can't...

If I'm not prepared, I just don't feel ready to do the

work and play and be spontaneous and stuff.

So I'd already read Rachael's Holiday because my older

sisters are obsessed and they...

Oh my God, that's so nice. I inherited your work from them.

And so I'd already read the book and then I went back

and I reread it twice.

And then the third time I went through it, I was very

meticulous with the highlighter.

God, you had an excellent swot.

You're not a Virgo by any chance, are you?

No! Okay.

I am. What are you?

I'm a Virgo. I'm a Scorpio.

What are you?

I don't think we're meant to like them, are we?

I don't think I'm a typical Scorpio.

I think Scorpios are misunderstood.

I think they are as well. Yes.

And sher it's all codswallop, really, anyway.

I don't know what my moon...

Oh, yeah, your rising sign and all of that.

Trying to justify your Scorpio. I do think that's important.

More important, really, than being a Scorpio.

Oh, that's more important. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

And then obviously, reread the scripts.

And then I think the next part for me was trying to investigate

why she feels so much discomfort in her own self and her skin,

that she feels the need to self-medicate.

And so I did a lot of research on addiction.

I watched a lot of G�bor M�th�'s talks.

Oh. He's a Canadian physician.

I know. I love him. I love him so much.

I listen to his books a lot.

He's so compassionate.

And he approaches- his perspective on addiction

and trauma is really empathic. Modern, it is.

Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's really accessible.

It gives you many different lenses that you can...

It gives you a different perspectives on addiction.

Very much so. God, you're fabulous.

But there was one thing he said that was really profound,

I thought, and really resonated.

He said, don't ask why the addiction, ask why the pain.

Yeah. And I think that's something that I always went back to and

always- that was my guide. That was like my compass.

So then I spoke to this psychologist who specialises

in addiction, and he was so brilliant,

such a lovely man, so insightful.

And then he put me on to someone that works in Coolmine,

which for those of you don't know, it's a

drug and alcohol treatment centre and they do amazing work.

And they actually...

There was a woman, I went to Ashley House,

and it's just for women, and it's an amazing place.

Actually, one of the women spoke to me.

She was kind enough to be really vulnerable and be really open.

And, yeah, she just was so courageous and...

So you went to the treatment centre?

Yes, fair play. I did. Yeah.

And I spoke to one of the women there.

And, yeah, I just...

It was- I mean, that is incredible research.

It is.

And I always felt that you felt the responsibility of the role

that you were playing and not that it was just...

A part. ...this dramatic part

you got to play to show the emotions you can do.

Well, that's it.

I think there is such a responsibility to playing someone

like Rachel because she is such a beloved character

in your books, Marion.

But also it was really important to tell her story

of addiction in a really human compassionate, understanding way.

It's so nuanced and it's so unique to each person.

And I didn't want to make...

I didn't want to at all do a generalised

interpretation of what I thought going through addiction is.

No, it's beautiful what you did.

And it is very specific to her and the life she had

and the perceptions she had growing up in that family.

And I think another actor who hadn't done that work,

because I talk a lot about the things that I had to forego,

all that internal...

She's so torn, and Rachel just cares so

very much about other people's opinion of her.

She wants to be liked, and she wants to fit in.

Because we don't get the internal dialogue.

I think all of that work that you did to have compassion for her

meant that that translates onto the screen.

And we're not like, god, she's such a selfish bitch.

No, because addiction is- You could.

That's so important.

Yeah, but addiction is called the please love me disease.

And you really embodied it.

I mean, her desperate need for approval and her

utter discomfort with being in the wrong or people

being cross with her.

Other people can survive that, or they can live with it.

But a non-treated addict, it's unbearable.

Also with Rachel, she has such low self-esteem and

such low self-worth, but yet she's constantly self-sabotaging.

So it's just this vicious circle that she's living in,

that she can't seem to break.

And obviously, when we meet her in episode one,

she's at that everything is unravelling,

like her relationship is unravelling,

her life is unravelling.

She can't contain this other person in her life,

aka her addiction. Yes.

The chaos is just unmanageable.

Yes. She can't...

Those tactics that maybe she's not...

That have helped her or served her up until this point

aren't working anymore. Yeah.

But I do think that what changed then in the TV show was

that in Rachel's Holiday, while you always talk about,

and we can see in the book that the addict,

the tentacles of the addiction just go

so far reaching and they wrap around every family member,

that needs to be much more specific

and measurable in a TV show.

Yeah, you need proof. You need to see it.

You need to proof, how can we see it.

And so then we set up this...

question at the end of episode one,

where Anna and Aidan are on their way to collect Rachel,

who has decided to go to rehab for a break inspired by Damian.

Damian. He talks a good game, that fellow.

He really does.

When they then have the car crash.

And so we set up this like, is it Rachel?

Is it Anna's fault? Whose fault is it?

Whose fault is this?

And then Rachel deciding to go and lie to Anna

to give her the gift of that lie. About the right turn.

Yes. About the right turn.

And obviously, that will keep rolling on throughout the season.

And how was it with Luke or Jay?

Jay's just so lovely. So sweet.

He's such a gorgeous man on and off screen.

It was just so fun,

working alongside him and so easy.

He just made everything feel so effortless.

That's great. Yeah.

And he's such a generous actor.

Before we started shooting, we met up and we were chatting

about their relationship, and we made decisions together,

just like little things, like how did they actually

meet in our version or just clarifying decisions

that maybe I made and said, what did you think about that?

And he finds music really helpful in his process, and I do, too.

So then we ... That's wonderful...

...combined our tracks together and we curated

a playlist for Rachel and Luke.

So cute. It is just fabulous.

And it also shows, again, the prep. Yes.

And I think Jay really matched well with you

in that regard because he's also very diligent.

You could easily get another actor who's like,

I'm just going to show up on the day and say my lines.

And then you're left wanting being like,

well, now I don't feel like

we have a relationship because I've been trying to do

my prep and you're- And you're just coasting. Totally.

But also, obviously, everyone has a different way

of working and different strokes for different folks.

But I think because their relationship has so much,

there's so much history there.

And also in your books, they're like, in my opinion,

the Ross and Rachel of the literary world.

They're so beloved and you want to fight for them and you

want to root for them. Yeah.

And you just got that sense. He just loves her so much.

You really - you really feel it, and it's really visceral.

But obviously, she doesn't have the capacity

to love herself, and then she can't receive that love.

Exactly. That's exactly it.

And he's fundamentally uncomplicated.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, what you see is what you get. Yeah.

We have another clip of you in episode 2 that we're going

to watch and then discuss.

Jesus, when I hear that back and I'm relaying it to you,

it does. It does sound a bit addicty.

I get that, but out of context, it sounds like a bit much, but

really, actually everyone does it.

It's actually quite mild. You know?

But yeah, that's it, really.

I don't know what else you want me to say.

You use the word mild, but from what you described,

the hospital report and what your sister told me,

I think you have a chronic drug abuse problem.

Ah now.

That's a bit dramatic.

(all laughing) Sorry, Josaphine.

She's fantastic.

I've seen it.

She is...

She's brilliant. I love that.

Even just you're like, just that you can

feel the discomfort. Yeah, the desperation.

You can't even sit properly on the chair.

She can't even look her in the eye.

No, like she's twisted into a pretzel.

Yeah. She's like, yeah.

Everyone does it.

But I think more than ever- It's actually bit mild.

I think now more than ever, that's going to be something like

when we think about the goggle box couch, that is going

to be up for discussion.

Claire says in episode two, she's like, an addict.

I've been out with Rachel. I drink way more than her.

It was funny, though, when Helen did say then, well,

look at, see if you can get Claire a bed as well.

(laughs) There's room in the car.

That idea that everyone does it. That's the thing, though.

Yeah, the minute somebody is designated like an addict,

everybody else feels really twitchy.

I've gone out in a night with her and I held me own.

And yeah, it does. It's amazing.

The whole, both the addiction and the recovery caused so much

chaos, I suppose, and all the people around them.

The recovery also causes...

Yeah.

There's these ripple effects on the family,

which we'll see in episode 6.

It's almost like confronting for everyone.

It's too much. Completely.

And also, I think you get a sense of that when the sisters come in.

Obviously, we're not talking about that.

It's not necessarily a spoiler, though.

No. Well they visit in episode five.

Yes. And just their...

I suppose, how they interact with her, Rachel,

when they come into rehab to visit her

and how they interact with just the idea of the cloisters.

Yes. And it's really funny, but it's also a massive indication

of how- How uncomfortable. Oblivious? Yes.

And they say, can we hug you? Yeah. (laughs)

As if there be a rule against phy- well I suppose.

People passing you.. Yeah, heroin.

Yeah. (laughs)

Yeah, so that's when they- Sorry. Go.

Yeah. Do you remember the very first day?

It was rehearsal day.

So we were sitting in the room and we weren't in.

Nobody was in their costumes or anything, but you and you, Stef,

and the other three sisters.

And the five of you all started talking at the same time

to each other, over each other.

And you were just, ball of chat.

And the chemistry between the five of you, it was so believable

that you were all related.

And it is exactly how I feel about my family of origin when we're

all going at it hard and heavy.

It was like you really convince as sisters.

Yeah. Ian said that as well, and that he was like,

you could have just shot that.

But actually trying to get that like, dadada

yapping over each other, it's really hard.

Hard. Yeah. Well, you're trying to hear people. Yes.

But he also said, he was like, I think it was the first day

of rehearsals and we were all in the room.

We hadn't started doing any work yet and we were all yapping away.

And he was just observing us and he goes,

I should have just filmed that because that was it.

Like the way that you guys were interrupting each other and over

lapping and there was no room, you couldn't take breath or

anything like that in between ...all the conversations.

We have a saying on the show where three or more sisters are

gathered, Jesus is present.

It's so engaging to watch.

It is so engaging.

So the first scene that Aidan Quinn shot was, was it the ISO?

Yeah, because we started with the first.

So the second scene then that he filmed was the ISO,

which you're going to see in the next episode.

And I remember him coming out.

Go on, white as a ghost.

Coming out, no, coming out, having shot the thing,

being like, where did you find her? She's fecking incredible.

Oh, lovely.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, found her on the corner.

(laughs) Yeah. Outside Centra.

Stefanie delighted with herself.

But to have that support and encouragement is amazing.

And I just feel like from the beginning,

you guys were all such champions.

But there was that energy and atmosphere on set

throughout the whole shoot.

I just feel like the show in general was made

with so much love and heart.

And that's actually not something to be taken for granted.

I've worked on a lot of things,

and a lot of things have been made

where by the end of it, no one is talking to each other.

Everyone hates each other. It's so tense.

People are fighting.

Agents are ringing each other, and you don't

see any of that on screen. (laughs)

I kinda love this...

I mean, I'm sure it's horrible, but it also sounds gas.

Is that wrong of me?

I don't have enough excitement, clearly. No, it's not.

But there'd be no- Agents are ringing each other.

I'm sorry. There'd be no podcast if that had gone this way.

Right. Okay. Be like, sell it yourself.

It's great that we're all here right now.

Yes, it's a good sign. We made it.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

No, you have been amazing.

It's been such a pleasure and an honour, hasn't it, Stef?

It has. It really, really has.

Yeah. Rachel Walsh, Caroline Menton.

Woohoo! (applause)

Thank you for having me. We're very grateful. Such a privilege.

We should add a bigger clap in post.

Yeah, could we? Could we? Thanks.

And some whistles. Whistles!

Thank you. That was Caroline Menton.

Tune in next week for episode three, when we will be

discussing Episode 3. Episode 3.

And we will have people. Including my intimacy scene.

I'm so nervous about people having

seen me in an intimacy scene. But that's for the next episode.

At least your intimacy scenes, they're hilarious, though.

They are fabulous. It's just, yeah, they're so well done.

Oh, I cannot wait.

So if you want to watch me having sex, tune in Sunday night,

RT�1, 9: 30, and we'll talk to you on Monday

to dissect it all.

Thank you for listening.

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