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SIREN WAILS

It's all over for Minah.

They have caught their third
Traitor.

There's going to be so much to talk
about on tonight's show,

so here's what's coming up.

The amazing Oti Mabuse,

Katherine Ryan

and chief Traitor hunter Jaz

from series two are joining us

to dissect tonight's episode.

Banished Traitor Minah and murdered
Faithful Joe finally meet

after leaving the show, and Joe
finds out who Minah really is.

And they'll both be joining us
in the studio to discuss their time

in the Traitors' Castle.

APPLAUSE

Oti, Katherine, Jaz, welcome, welcome.

Now, we've got a huge amount
to cover on this episode

of Uncloaked, so we're going
to get straight into it. Mm-hm.

Let's have a look at where we left
things in the Traitors' Turret.

♪ Oh, here she comes... ♪

This thought about Leanne
is next level

because if Freddie's
on board with this,

it makes Freddie look guilty,

and it will plant a route

to get me into the final

and to the glory.

Hmm.

Next-level gameplay from Charlotte,

I think. Yeah. She's playing
3D chess.

I love to see a woman over 30
puppeteering

a very handsome young man.

Let him take the fall.

I feel like he looks a bit lost
in the Traitors' Turret.

Do we think Freddie's going
to fall for this next-level

gameplay from Charlotte?

I don't think so. I think...

The moment it's revealed

what's going on with Leanne,

he'll kind of put the pieces
together and just be like,

"Oh, she's set me up." Yeah.

"So I need to kind of
go talk to the other ones."

And he's really close with Frankie.

Mm-hm. So together, they might...
They might change things up.

But you do think he's going to fall

for this... this thing of trying
to murder Leanne? Yes.

And then being dropped in it the
next morning. You've got to listen.

Oti knows a lot because just
a minute ago, Oti... I said,

"Oh, you know, maybe Charlotte
should recruit Leanne.

"And I think that's going to keep
it all women."

And Oti was like, "No, it's got to
be Freddie. It's got to be now."

It's got to be now because everyone
already suspects it to be Freddie.

Mm. Also, people think that there
must be a man.

There must be a man!
There must be a man!

There must be a man somewhere!

I mean, no way women can do this!

So...

So they're already going to go,

"He is the last man."

What I think is crazy, though, is

the fact that Charlotte

is just finessing it

early days. Yeah.

And don't forget, she's putting
on a Welsh accent still.

She's put an enormous amount
of pressure on herself,

and yet she's still making moves,
like getting Minah out.

It is wild! Yeah!

And then, on top of that, she's just
recruited the most soft, most...

You know, I just feel for Freddie.

I feel like we need to be in there
to help him somehow.

I don't know how. Well, it's already
been filmed, unfortunately, Jaz.

He just wants to go back.

It's over, Jaz. It's over!

But we should talk about it.

We lost a fantastic Traitor tonight.

I think because she was such
a wholesome murderer.

You know, she really delighted
in her kills. Yeah.

That lovely just smile
that she had doing it.

You could see her really enjoying
herself killing people,

but in a fun, family way.

But also, I think she had a journey
in the beginning.

She's... You don't think that
she has the murderous side in her.

She just got confident. And that,
I think, is what gave her away.

It's the complacency, isn't it?
Yeah.

You know, as soon as you start
to get comfortable in that castle,

you are asking for trouble.

It's almost like the universe

doesn't like you to be comfortable
in there. Mm.

And soon as she started to get
into that role of being a Traitor,

making those comfortable moves,
it was almost like, you know,

it was difficult for her,
and I could just see it coming.

And then soon as... Oh, my God!

The worst person to recruit -
Charlotte.

The worst person ever!

Yeah. Not as trusting as she looks.
Why Charlotte?

It was a bad move. But I see where
Charlotte was coming from,

in the sense that Traitors always
turn on each other. Right?

Yes. Yep. She wasn't to know about
this sisterhood thing that Minah

had established, which I think was
genuine. It was genuine.

Minah genuinely wanted to get to
the end with Charlotte,

which is why she picked her.
She thought she could be good.

First thing Charlotte does...

Is kill her off.

I thought she should have gone
for Leanne, actually.

They would have been so loyal
together.

They would have been so powerful
together.

But she didn't. Yeah.

Now, Freddie's reaction, when he is
recruited, to discovering

that Charlotte is a Traitor -

absolutely priceless.

Let's remind ourselves of that.

Oh, no!

No way!

Charlotte!

There's no way!

I was completely shocked,

like, to the core.

She was the last person

I thought was a Traitor.

Did we enjoy the full body twirl?

The twirl! The pirouette!

It's straight to Strictly, I think,

for Freddie. That's it!

But of course, he's surprised,

because the entire time Freddie's

known Charlotte, she was Faithful.

Mm. So he's thinking, "What?"

But he's right to be surprised
because she's been a Traitor

for about five seconds. No.

And he must also think, "Oh, wow,
we've gotten rid of so many."

And he will think she did that,

she got rid of all of them,
and then think,

"OK, I'm in a bit
of a predicament now."

I think what we can't do is
also underestimate Freddie. Mm-hm.

You know, he is somebody
that spotted Minah

when nobody else did. Yeah.

So, although he is up against
Charlotte to try and get it

to the end as a Traitor,

I think he might have
a few things up his sleeve. Yeah.

And I hope he does.

I think he's going to have
a difficult night's sleep, though.

I think he's not even going
to have time to wash his abs

in the morning.

So, at the start of tonight's
episode, we also found out that Joe

had been murdered.

Very prominent Faithful. Joe!
Very vocal at the Round Table.

What a guy Joe is, though.

I mean, do you not find...?

I found him so funny in there.

But I like Dan and Joe
in the castle... Oh, yes!

...because they are there
playing a game

and also didn't really have time for
anyone overemoting in there. 100%.

I love them because... because they
weren't so emotional,

when somebody cried, they'd be like,
"Why are you crying?"

Like, "We've seen Traitors before -
series one and two -

"we've seen that. You don't need to
do that Oscar performance."

So Joe lost out on a Shield
in the previous mission

because Leon voted for Freddie.

Do we think his fate was sealed
by that mission, Katherine?

Or do you think he would
have gone anyway?

I think it was probably
Joe's time to go.

I think it's going to get spicy.

I think this is going to be
the spiciest series yet of Traitors.

But, you know, it can't be all spice
all the time.

Sometimes you need a Yorkshire
pudding on the side. Right?

Now, Freddie and Charlotte's story
actually started earlier

in the episode when he pulled her
for a chat to discuss Minah.

OK, Charlotte. Yes.

Because you were one of the only
people I trust here.

Yes, yes, I know. Ditto.

Minah or Jake.

Yeah, it's not Jake.

So I think Minah.

Because why is Jake
still here? Yeah.

Jake should be murdered by now.

Do you see what I'm saying?

And she overreacts to everything,

like, "Oh, I'm really scared

"about being murdered."

But also, like, I know she came
under a minor bit of questioning.

She hasn't... Look,

I'm going to come
for her today at the table.

Yeah. I have to.

I'm quite shocked

because the pendulum is now swinging

in an anti-Minah direction.

And so I'm not going

to throw my life on the line

defending her and making

everyone look at me twice.

This is the first time we see

a Traitor actually deliberately
plant another Traitor. Mm-hm.

Throughout the series,
they were all sticking together.

They were all really trying, and...
Until the moment that they had to...

Yeah, until the moment.

So they're like, "No, maybe it's not
her. It's somebody else." Yeah.

So I think this was the first time

we saw one actually go
for another one.

What do we make of Freddie
opening up to Charlotte there?

Because this is obviously
from before he was recruited.

Is that something you have to be
careful of

when you're in the castle,

is who you open up to
and what you tell certain people?

Ed, it's THE most important
thing in there.

I can't even explain to you.

You know, it took me such a long
time to actually come to terms

with the idea of,

"I need to tell someone about
Harry." Mm-hm.

"You know, I'm the only person
that has got this guy."

He's not made any mistakes,

he's in control of the game,

he's planting seeds.

He's 99% Traitor.

But who do I tell that to? Yeah.

Who do I trust?

So we should talk about the mission
tonight, which did spark off

some suspicions in Frankie's mind.

Let's revisit that moment.

Who's saying something different
to everybody else?

I suppose look at it that way.

Well, then that'd be Frankie.
Do you know what I mean?

Cos sometimes the loudest person

is the person listened to the least.

I noticed at one point it seemed

like Minah was trying
to swing it back to me.

So that was alarm bells to me.

That clip just reminds me of Armani
back in the early missions,

when she was trying to go against
the grain to sabotage the mission.

But that was also the first time
we've heard her speak so confidently

and so loudly.

So probably Frankie's like,
"Wait, you're usually quiet."

But they have used... The Faithful
have used Minah's quietness

against her... Yeah. ..in past
deliberations,

and been like, "Oh, you just repeat

"what everyone else says,
and you're under the radar

"and you're this..." Totally.
So there's no right or wrong way.

I think Minah was doing something
smart, actually, to play different

versions of herself. Yeah.

Like, "I'll speak up a bit here,

"take a chance." And it just didn't
pay off. That's it.

I just love that game,

any game designed to make people
second-guess themselves

and stir up drama and to make

Faithful look like Traitors,
and vice versa.

I just think it's the perfect game
and it should be played

in families at Christmas.

Yeah! Yeah! You know what I mean?

Who's the most two-faced? Yeah.

Nan.

She's always pretending
she's sleeping. Yeah.

And we know.

Now, I absolutely cannot wait
to chat

to tonight's murdered
and banished players,

but, first, let's see
the exclusive moment

where they meet for the first time
after leaving the game.

Minah!

I had a feeling it was going to
be you.

So nice to see you.
Nice to see you, too.

Gosh! It's nice to see you,
Minah, but obviously not.

Um, do you know what?

I did have a worry

because when we got it wrong
with Leon, as soon as we came out

the Round Table, I heard people say,
"We've got to go for Minah." Yeah.

I did think me going,

they might have thought, surely
she's not that reckless. Yeah.

I wouldn't be surprised
if you were a Traitor,

but I never had any evidence to say
you were. Like, my three Faithfuls

would be Charlotte, Frankie
and Jake.

My three Traitors would be
Freddie, Leanne, Alexander.

I see you as slap bang
in the middle.

Yeah. So, Minah, the big question...

...are you Faithful or are
you a Traitor?

Can I ask you, looking at me right
now, do you think I'm a Traitor?

I actually think you're a Faithful.

I'm a Traitor. Are you? No, Minah!

I didn't have you down for it.

You were so in the middle for me.
Aw! That's...

Yeah, that was my game plan.

I've been a Traitor
since the very first day.

Really? Yeah.

I feel like I can't even be mad
at you cos you're so lovely.

LAUGHS: I'm a lovely murderer!

I kind of feel privileged
that I got to find out one on one.

Yeah. So, I've experienced it.

I've been there to catch
two Traitors at the table... Yeah.

...and I've had a Traitor
come out to me. Yeah.

Are you ready to find out
who the other Traitors are?

I am. I need to know.

Enjoy!

Right, let's see.

Charlotte!

HE LAUGHS

No way! This is wrong!

Oh, my goodness!

It's proper, like, girl power,
isn't it?

No... There must be more names!

Charlotte?

I can't believe...
She deserves it, then.

She deserves it.
Don't let my death be in vain.

I'm glad it's not Frankie.

Yeah. I'd have been gutted
if it was Jake,

because I got really close with him.
Yeah.

I genuinely thought...

Now that you're here, I thought,
"It's not going to be Leanne."

I thought, "It's going to be
Freddie..." Yeah.

..."or potentially Alexander."

Freddie was genuine all that time.

I'm shocked.

I can't be angry.

She's played such a good game.

So she's the only one left? Yeah.

Yeah, I can't be angry.

And they're here with us now.
Please welcome Joe and Minah!

Unbelievable!

Welcome, guys, to Uncloaked.
It's an honour to have you here.

Thank you very much for coming on.
Thank you.

Joe, you seemed genuinely surprised
to find out

that Minah was a Traitor. Yeah.

I wasn't 100% sure with her,

but I think there was never
any evidence.

She just flew under the radar.

So I think the only reason
I thought it might be

was because there were people
whispering her name,

but there was nothing that I saw...
Yeah, slap bang in the middle...

Yeah. ..you said about Minah.
Was there ever a time in the game

where she swung more towards Traitor
for you?

I don't think there was.
I genuinely don't think there was.

I think, in itself, that might be
the only suspicion -

she's too under the radar.

But other than that, there was
nothing that made me think,

"Oh, that's a bit sus."

I think maybe as it went on,
maybe I got a bit cocky

or a bit comfortable,
I got complacent.

I think that's the right word.
You got confident.

Yeah, I think I got confident.

And I think because I made
a conscious effort

to make relationships within
different groups from day one,

I think in my head, I was like,
"Surely someone would tell me.

"Surely!" But that's the confidence,
isn't it?

The power got to me.

I don't think you were complacent.
I think you're being polite

and you're going, "Well, I'm going
to have to say something now

"that means, like,
'Maybe I just got too confident.' "

I think you continued
to play it brilliantly.

And when you said about Frankie
during that last challenge,

were you trying to deflect people
from guessing Charlotte,

or were you trying to put it
on Frankie,

or were you just thinking out loud,
as you said?

I actually was just
thinking out loud.

I genuinely have, like,
word diarrhoea, so I just speak.

So during that whole game,
trying to think before I speak

was so hard for me.

Naturally, I think something
and I just say it.

So when she said that,

I was like, "No, really,
it's do-do-do-do-do."

And then to her,
that was like a slip-up.

Yeah. But to me, I was
just... talking. How hard is that -

to have word diarrhoea
and be a Traitor?

Oh! It must be really difficult.
Well, I didn't win, did I?

So it's like...
It's nearly impossible.

Did you have to take Word Imodium
every day?

Twice a day!
LAUGHTER

Joe, you were absolutely gobsmacked

that Charlotte was the only
remaining Traitor.

I was, yeah.

I mean, in fairness, now that I know
she wasn't from the start...

When I opened that envelope, I was
thinking, "Is this from day one?

"Because if it is,
I'm really shocked."

Were you more surprised
by Minah or Charlotte?

Minah from the beginning -
now you know what you know.

Probably Minah, yeah.

I think it's only because the
numbers had whittled down so much,

her name came up.
Like, had there still been loads,

your name wouldn't have been
mentioned at all.

Did you have a game plan going in,
Minah, as a Traitor?

Yeah, I actually only had
a game plan as a Traitor,

so God help me if I weren't picked,
honest to God!

My game plan going in
was to be myself.

I just... I just knew that the way
I am with people,

I make connections with people
so easily without trying.

Like, naturally,
that's just how I am.

And I just thought, "What a perfect
game plan. Just be yourself.

"I don't have to pretend I'm Welsh,

"or not a priest, or..."
Extra pressure!

"I just need to be myself.

"It's going to work. I'm going to
make friends with people."

And I just wanted to make those
connections with multiple people,

so multiple people were like,
"I just can't believe that it's her

"before it's Joe, before
it's Frankie, before it's Leon."

Minah, you walked in with Dan...
Yeah. ..linking arm in arm

as soon as you first entered
that castle.

And I thought, "Minah's definitely
going to use Dan as collateral,"

you know, as a shield. Yeah.

And that's why I thought
Dan was going to go the distance -

because you'd have him
under your wing. Yeah.

And then as soon as
he made that one error

and, you know, put his hand up
at the Round Table

and admitted that it was him,
his fate was sealed, wasn't it?

Yeah. Unfortunately, as a Traitor...

Obviously as a human, you give
people the benefit of the doubt.

But as a Traitor, there is no room
for a second chance.

As soon as somebody shows you
that there is an ounce of them

that doesn't trust you,
they have to go.

Cos from our perspective,
you absolutely loved any murder.

You were...
You were so delighted.

OK, I did love it!
Especially when they got Shields

and you knew you weren't going to
be able to murder that night...

Yeah. ..you'd be really downhearted.
Fuming!

It felt like we weren't fed
that night.

That was amazing.

Did you have anyone
that was a difficult kill

that you actually felt badly about?

Cos you looked like
you were having...

SHE LAUGHS
...wholesome fun.

There was... There's two that
stick out for different reasons.

Keith was really, really hard.

Uncle Keith. We called him
Uncle Keith in the castle.

Black belt jiu jitsu as well.

Well, I didn't know that
when I murdered him,

you know, otherwise
I might have thought twice.

But Keith was really hard
because that breakfast,

I just remember everyone was like,
"He just wanted to do a mission."

Like, "Who could do that?" Like,
"You've took that away from him!"

And I was like, "Oh, my God!
How heartless."

And Joe, because Joe was the banter
in the castle for me.

Like, the one-liner
when you said to Lisa about, like,

"Can you speak to God
for some guidance?"

Like... You know, in times
where we were struggling

and we needed a little pick-me-up,
Joe was that.

He'd just have these
little one-liners.

You did seem to be able
to remove yourself from some

of the... Drama. ..over-emotion
or the drama

and just treat it like a game.
Do you think that's fair?

I think so. I think after the whole
getting it so wrong with Kas,

and I feel like I owe the nation
a public apology with Kas,

but I think with him,
it was, you know...

You know, it looked like I'd gone
for him because he'd made a toast.

But everyone has said,
"Why did you go for poor Kas?"

But then, in the same breath,
"Why is Linda still there?"

And back at the very first
Round Table,

we were all gunning for Linda,
and Kas was very defensive of her.

So straight away,
I was, like, suspicious.

And then Armani was very defensive
of Kas as well,

and she cornered me in the kitchen
and was like,

"I'm very concerned.
Why are you bringing up Kas's name?"

And I thought,
"Why does that bother you?"

So once I got that seed
in my head, like, with the toast,

when he did the toast,
had that not already happened,

I wouldn't have even been looking
in his eyes.

I wouldn't have known
if they were open or closed.

But that spark became a flame,
became a fire, and I couldn't stop.

But after that, and when
I got it so wrong, I felt so bad,

I thought, "I'm going to take
a back-seat now.

"I'm going to sit here. I'm going to
just enjoy the Round Tables."

And I think that's when I relaxed,

and that's when I felt like
I could make a bit more, like,

witty comments - not purposely,
but that's just...

When I get nervous in a situation,

I'll just try and make
a little joke.

I do want to talk about
the other Traitors, Minah.

MINAH GASPS
I want... Let's talk Linda.

Oh! My actual heart!

I love her so much.

What were you thinking
at that moment when the head turn

was called out by Jake
at the Round Table... very early on?

You know, because I didn't see it,

and she was like,
"I didn't, I didn't!"

I was like, "OK, she didn't."

Like, because I did not know
that she actually has or hasn't.

But when I watched it...

...I was like, "Linda, for crying out
loud, just concentrate!

"It's day one!"
I just couldn't believe it.

I couldn't believe that
that happened

and she makes it, like,
over halfway.

Like, that is wild. Yeah,
that is mental. It is mental.

Armani, we should talk about Armani.

I mean, obviously
the first Traitor to go.

We need to talk about the feedback
that she gave you two in the Turret.

Aw! She stands by that advice,
by the way.

She came on Uncloaked...
Really? She absolutely...

Despite the fact she was in here
as the first Traitor banished,

she stood by that advice.

Do you still stand by your response
to the advice?

Yes. I think Armani... Like,
that's just how she is as a person.

So, naturally, she takes control
of situations, good or bad.

But with that, she's not taking
a step back

to just observe what's going on
around her, which is what I do.

So the sisterhood thing of,
actually...

...you actually wanted
to get to the end

with these Traitors?
Yeah, with Armani and Linda. 100%.

So obviously when you recruited
Charlotte... Yeah. Why?!

I just want to know why!

What in Charlotte said, "Yes"?

I love Charlotte, by the way,
but I'm just like... Yeah.

Was it the accent?

No, it wasn't her fake Welsh accent!
LAUGHTER

So, why did I pick Charlotte?

The big, big question
everyone's asking.

Now, looking back, guys,
I should have picked Lisa.

Lisa?! Ooh, Lisa! What?!

I should have picked Lisa,
because Linda was out.

In what world is there two,
you know, older females?

I thought she would rather
get murdered than accept.

And I didn't want to put anyone
out of the game that way,

if that makes any sense.

And then I thought,
"Could I pick Frankie?"

But I just...
Again, similar reasons -

I just didn't think Frankie
was built to be a Traitor. Yeah.

I think if I'd have known Leanne
was in the Army,

I would have picked her.

But she always seemed
very, like, worried to me.

She was always like, "I'm so scared,
I'm so scared, I'm so scared!"

Obviously that was a game plan
for her.

And then Charlotte,

I had accused Charlotte
on the second Round Table

and she'd proven her Faithfulness.

So in my head, I was like, "She is
the only female who has proven

"to everybody she is 100% Faithful.

"Therefore, surely
she'll think of that as,

" 'I want to win with her.' "

Yeah. But obviously cos I'd
accused her, looking back at it now,

she's like, "I do not trust you
one bit."

Can I just ask you both -
if you had to just change one thing,

looking back now,
what would you do?

I think the final mission
that I was in,

with the heads that we carried up,
we'd carried them all up

and there was an opportunity.

I sat down, was catching my breath,

and the others were running
to get the rest of the heads.

There was an opportunity where
I think I could have put my head

on the plinth to get
an extra day's immunity... Ooh!

...but I think that
we'd all discussed it

and we were all like,
"Yeah, we're out for ourselves,

"we want the immunity," but then
I think tensions got high,

and if someone had have done that,
it wouldn't have looked good.

So I think it might have bought me
an extra day,

but people would have turned on me
from both sides.

I think the one thing you could have
done in that mission

is gone up to Leon and said,
"Leon, we're voting now

"and my name is in the middle."
Yeah, I wish I'd said that,

like, shook him - "Vote for me!"
"Back in the room, Leon!"

I want to say I'd pick different,
but if I'm being honest with you,

I wouldn't do anything different.

Like, I... Yeah, I didn't win, but
I went out how I wanted to go out -

with integrity.

I was clear in my mission,
which was a sisterhood.

And I felt like I gave that
and I showed that I gave that.

Yes, I did kill loads of people,
guys, OK, I understand,

but, you know, I tried
where possible to protect Linda.

I never made rumours about Charlotte
or anything like that.

So I don't think I'd do anything
differently because I'm happy with,

you know, how I played the game.
And you gave us content. Yeah!

You gave us all content.
Yeah, it was...

I gave you facial expressions!

Well, let's revisit the moment
when you reveal

that you're a Traitor.

You guys know how I feel
about all of you.

Last night was the best night ever.

And I wish you all the best of luck.

I'm rooting for
every single person.

I love you all.

And it's nothing personal.

I am...

...and have been from the start...

...a Traitor.
CHEERING

Look at Charlotte!

Look at Charlotte!
Charlotte is doing cartwheels.

Charlotte's so excited!

Charlotte, Charlotte, bring it down
a bit, please! Yeah! Wow!

We've heard you had
a viewing party for Episode 1

with your family and friends.
Yeah. What was that reaction like?

Oh, my gosh, it was explosive.

So, obviously, like,
they didn't know I was on the show.

Found out, you know,
when the announcement was made,

and everyone's like,
"What? What? What?"

So, like, obviously my husband knew,
and he was like,

"I'm going to film
everyone's reaction."

And he was like, "Just do that."

So I was like, "OK."
He's my creative director.

So we filmed it.
And obviously, like,

they just all lost their minds.
Like, everyone lost their minds.

And then I just uploaded it online

and everyone just went mental for
it, but it was such a nice feeling.

But then once it happened,
they were like, "Of course you are.

"Of course you are! Like, you are
literally main character energy.

"Of course you were going
to be a Traitor!"

Erm... No-one trusts me now.

Yeah? Yeah. Like, my husband's
packed up...

LAUGHTER
He's took my dog and my child.

I don't know where they are.
No-one trusts me.

Yeah. So, it's been funny.

Joe, talk to me about how
you approached the game as a whole.

Cos you were very vocal
at the Round Table.

I did the opposite to my game plan.

I thought, "Go in, don't be vocal,
just blend in at the start."

But I can't...
I can't just sit there.

If I think something,
I have to say it.

And I didn't want to be too quiet
and get suspicion on me for that.

But when I sit and see things being
said and I don't agree with it,

I think, "No, I have to speak up."

I don't know if it's the teacher
in me -

you know, if the class is starting
to be a bit chatty,

I need to, "Right, stop talking,"
but when they all started...

You know, when we were having
our opportunity to talk,

I thought, "I can't."

I thought, "If it means I go out
sooner, it means I go out sooner,

"but I have to just be who I am.

"Because if I'm not, then I'm acting
as someone different,

"so what's the point?"

I mean, it got you to
quite a late stage in the game.

I was surprised how long I lasted,
to be honest.

People were very sure of you
as a Faithful, I'd say

kind of more than anyone else
in there.

You were never really
under suspicion. No, and that's...

Like, I'd have a big dinner at night
cos I thought,

"I won't be eating brekkie
in the morning. There's no point."

But I was still there every day,
yeah, going in,

and I was like, "What's going on?"
You're welcome!

LAUGHTER

I do want to ask about this cos -
especially this series -

there's been a lot of chat
of people saying,

"I think, why am I still here?
Why have I been kept in the game?

"Maybe I'm close to a Traitor."

Does that play into any decisions
in terms of murdering?

Because it just... To me,
it seems when people say,

"I don't know why I'm still here,"
it's like,

"Cos you haven't been murdered
or banished yet."

There's not a reason for it.

I think the one with me was Jake.

I was like, "I don't get why,
after getting Linda out,

"they didn't hit us where it hurts."

I was like... That's when I started.

I mean, I suppose that might be
the only time...

But I still...
I didn't tie it to you.

That's when I thought
it could be the others.

But that really confused me
with Jake, because I thought,

"If I was a Traitor, I would have
got Jake out straight away."

And even, we saw in tonight's
episode, the big chess game,

you guys put him as, you know,
biggest threat to the Traitors

and the leader of the pack.

If I was a Faithful,
I'd be thinking,

"That's a good point. Why hasn't he
been killed yet?" Yeah. Yeah.

But then you start thinking,
"But is it a double bluff?"

Yeah, I suppose... If it's someone
that's not close to him...

Exactly. ..that is, like, keeping
him in to make it seem like that.

Same with Linda. Like,
there was a part of us thinking,

"Oh, is it someone else
leaving Jake in

"to make it look like Linda's
leaving Jake in?" So you start...

It gets to the point where
you're double, triple-thinking...

Yeah. ..every move on
the chess board.

Joe, Minah, thank you so much
for joining me on Uncloaked.

You've been absolutely brilliant
to watch.

Delight having you, of course.

And thank you, of course,
to Oti, Katherine and Jaz

for coming along for the ride!
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Thanks, guys!

The fun doesn't stop there, however,

because we're all going to
stick around

and continue the chat on BBC Sounds.

We'll be finding out more about
Joe's in-game suspicions

over Freddie, what Minah and Joe's
favourite mission was,

plus, Jaz has brought along his
ultimate guide to Traitor-hunting.

It's all in the bonus episode
of Uncloaked on BBC Sounds.

Either scan the QR code or search
for Uncloaked in the app

and you'll be able to find us.

It's the perfect way to listen
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And remember, we'll be right here
after the penultimate episode

of The Traitors tomorrow night.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.

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