All language subtitles for The Traitors - UK - S03E05b - Uncloaked En-Swe

Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked,
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

And my goodness,
it's all kicking off.

Or as Dan would say, "I'm gagged."

If you haven't watched
episode five, go and do that

and then come back here.

Spoilers are happening now.

..we get the exclusive first look

at banished Tyler finding out

who the Traitors are.

He'll be with us in the studio

to discuss being hoodwinked

at the roundtable by his clique.

Plus, to dissect the latest episode,

I'll be joined by the bad boy

of political satire, Nish Kumar,

and fizzy rose legend, Diane!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Nish and Diane, thank you so much

for joining me here on Uncloaked.

We've got a lot to talk about

after that explosive episode.

NISH CHUCKLES
We definitely do.

Now, Diane, since we last saw you,
you've been approached

to advertise fizzy rose.

DIANE CHUCKLES
Yeah, and I can say

I have now drunk my body weight

three times over

in fizzy rose this year.
ED CHUCKLES

Look, we have got a lot
to talk about.

We've got Freddie and Livi
coming to blows,

we've got Lisa revealing
she's a priest, of course,

and Claudia revealing to Fozia
and Alexander that the breakfast

consists of watermelon, pickles
and a selection of cheese.

So it's been a big episode.

But first we have to rewind
to the start of the episode,

when the Traitors tried
to recruit Anna.

Let's remind ourselves
what happened.

CLAUDIA SIGHS
Oh, no!

Traitors, I have really bad news.

I had a feeling.

Anna has refused your offer
of seduction.

If I'm going to leave
the competition,

I want to leave it my way.

This is such bad gameplay

because they're just
going to kill me.

But I don't want to join.

Huge moment.

Huge... She was so smart.

She knew exactly what was happening.

Hmm. She knew she was essentially

being led to the slaughter.

And it does get more
interesting every year

because I think the next batch
has seen that many more episodes

and that many different variations

and so, I really feel like she saw
what happened with Ross last series

and actually that's starting to play
into some of their decision-making.

And it makes the game more
interesting because now people

are going to have to double
and triple think

all of their thinking
at every stage. Mm-hm.

But personally, if that had
happened to me,

I would have stood up at breakfast

and I might actually have
squeezed out a little tear,

if I could, and I would have said
that I had been...

..they tried to recruit me,
but I couldn't do it, obviously,

because I'm a Faithful. Yeah.
I didn't want to do that.

That's what she should have done.
Yeah.

And I can't believe she was
quiet about it.

Yeah, it's an interesting tactic
that she's taking,

not telling anyone, apart
from Charlotte. Yeah.
Apart from Charlotte.

She told Charlotte right
at the end of the day.

So the fact that she's...

As if Charlotte doesn't have enough
secrets to keep.

LAUGHING: I know! Charlotte's
currently hiding her real voice.

It's the last thing she needs. Yeah.

The other players that they were
considering to recruit

were Fozia and Freddie.

Do we think they made the right
decision from those three?

Obviously, they didn't make the
right decision because Anna said no,

but what do we think
the other two might have done?

Fozia would've definitely said yes,
absolutely... I think you're right.

Yeah. ..and gone for it.

And also, the other thing
is that I personally think

this slightly, well, I didn't want
to be a Traitor at the beginning

because I would have hated
to have stopped somebody's game,

but Fozia has not made those
relationships yet, you see... Yeah.

..so she would probably
have been, found it slightly easier

to be a Traitor and get
rid of people.

So I think...
I think people trust her...

Yeah. ..so much as well because
of getting off the train first.

Exactly. She would've been... Yep.
Because of the speech she gave, yeah.

That's who they should've recruited.

So do we think it was a good idea
for Anna to turn this down

or do we now think she's
a dead woman walking,

in terms of
banishment and murder?

She seems like either one
could happen.

Oh, I... This whole series
has absolutely shocked me

because it's so different to ours,
which is why it's such good TV...

Mm-hm. ..that you can get
such different games

in the same sort of surroundings.

Um, I don't know that they're
going to go for her again.

No. Um, that's, not yet, anyway.

And I don't know about
the roundtable yet,

because she might still
very well tell everybody

that she's been recruited.

Yes. I don't know. She will have
Charlotte on her side now, anyway.

I don't know. It could go
either way in this game.

I don't think she'll be murdered
because I think the Traitors

would want her in the game
for as long as possible.

Like, her and Freddie are now
kind of assets for them because

there's so much sort of stink
and suspicion around them. Yeah.

Keeping them in the game, I think,
is probably quite helpful.

Well, let's rewind to the mission.

One of my favourites so far.

Absolutely loved it.

DIANE CHUCKLES
That's why we've got the mask.

I don't know if we've deliberately
put Nish directly in front

of that clown because hair-wise,
there's a lot of similarities,

I'd say.
But it's sort of a mix -

red hair and curls.
Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

That's really good.

Nish isn't my son,
but the weird, creepy clown is.

ALL LAUGH

So let's rewind to the mission.

The not so fun-looking
fun house

was full of surprises
for the players.

This was one of the
best reactions.

I think we should go for this,
which is,

it's a black, red, black
diamond pattern.

SUSPENSEFUL SYNTH SCREECHES

CHARLOTTE GIGGLES NERVOUSLY
Shit. Shit. Shit. I'm scared.

Shit!

THEY SCREAM

ANNA ECHOING: Oh, no!
Oh, no!

There we go.

I mean, quite a lot of glitter,
I'd say, for a mission,

to the extent maybe
some of the tension was taken out

of the roundtable

because Linda was covered
head to toe in glitter

for the whole thing.
DIANE CHUCKLES

It looked like a
Traitors Drag Race parody.
THEY LAUGH

Lisa and Linda, they put
themselves forward first,

which seems to have backfired.

I mean, people are still
grabbing at straws. I know.

They went first and everyone's gone,

"Well, that's suspicious
that they went first."

Why is that suspicious, though?

I've got no idea.
I think the idea was that maybe

they knew they didn't need a shield,

so they were happy to find the way
through the maze first,

because it was clear they weren't
going to make it all the way through.

Or they just decided, "Well, why
not? We'll just have a go."

You know?
Yes. Someone has to go.

Someone has to go first

because they don't want
to be there all day.

That was what I thought. I know.

But it was never going to be Fozia
and Alexander

to put themselves first.

They've already done
something first... Yeah.

..and it did not work out
well for them.

Now, it's Leanne's second shield
in a row, which is very rare.

That very rarely happens.

Do we think this is purely helping
her or do you think people are now

beginning to, you know, maybe
circle around Leanne a little?

I know what Leanne thinks
because she actually said,

"This is suspicious now,
that I've got two in a row." Yeah.

Yeah. I never, see,
when I was in it,

I never bothered with the shields,
one way or the other.

LAUGHING: Didn't even consider it.

They care way more about shields
in this series. They do. Yeah.

I think, because they factor
into the missions a lot more...

Yeah. ..which is great because
it also gives the Traitors a reason

to try and maybe mess up
the mission a little bit.

But I think there's more of
a focus on shields

than money this series. Hmm.

So it's not as if she's deliberately
sort of dropping everything else

and going for these shields
to save herself.

Do you know what I mean? It's never
at the cost of the mission.

No. She just happened to get it.
No, so I wouldn't, I think

she's more worried
than she should be. Yeah.

Now, after the mission, as always,
speculation began

ahead of the roundtable.

Freddie brought up his theory
that there may be a Traitor

within the friendship group,
or as he called it, "clique" -

although he doesn't know
what that means -

between Leanne, Livi,
Leon and Tyler.

Let's remind ourselves
of how that played out.

Am I hearing that right?

What are they on about?

Cliques. Freddie, can I just hear
what was just being said
about some sort of cliques?

Oh, he said,
"Have you got any suspicions?"

And I said, he didn't let me, you
didn't let me finish, to be fair.

No, you just said this is a clique.

Your little group, I just call it
a group cos I thought
you were a group.

And I said, "I think maybe, maybe
one of you could be a Traitor,

"just because my name is
being, like, pushed about

"and obviously, I know that I'm a
Faithful,"

so it's like, "Well, one
of you is saying this."

Do you see what I'm saying?
Like, just from my perspective.

What we forget about this,

we've seen the clip of Freddie
bringing up that as a thing,

Minah came up with that theory.

Of course. Yeah, no...

It's... They're not looking
back at that at all. No.

It's genius. They get in the
car and she immediately says,

"I think it's a bit off that that,"

I can't even, I think she may even

draw attention to it as a clique.

She does, because that's
what Freddie takes on

and later on he says,
"I don't know what that means."

And at no point does he go, "How have
I got that word in my head?"

No, I know. Cos she's
Derren Brown-ed the hell out of him.

It was unbelievable.

It was total mind control,
and no-one has connected it

to the fact that that whole theory
comes back to her. No. No.

She is really, really good at this.
Yeah, she is.

She's incredibly good at this.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's talk about Minah

because that was a fantastic job
she did there.

Diane, how do you feel about how
Minah's playing the game

so far, with regards to that
and generally?

I think she's playing
an excellent game.

LAUGHING: Apart from when she cried.

She did cry again and I can't
be doing with these tears.

Regardless of that,
at this stage of the game,

I think she's an excellent Traitor

and I loved it when Armani
tried to give her some advice

on how to be a Traitor. So good.

That was phenomenal.
And even her reaction to that.

Yeah. Um, I don't know how
she views Linda, though.

Does she see Linda as her
just, her little sort of go-to,

you know, sort of,
"I'll tell Linda what to do"

because she's minding,
she's managing this whole...

She is. Yeah.
..team of, you know, this Traitors.

It's all her decision.

What's interesting at the moment
with Minah is I think in other

series and maybe
if it was a different Traitor,

they would have got on board
the Linda thing and got rid of Linda.

Yeah. She has not turned on Linda.

No. She is doing her best to
subtly protect Linda,

and I wonder whether
she's biding her time. Yeah.

I wonder how far down the road
we're going to see Minah go,

"Right, Linda, now is your time."
I know.

I know, but she's,
like, the sisterhood,

and I'm very impressed
with that, obviously. Yeah. Mm-hm.

Yep. So no, I do think
she's playing really well.

I mean, look what, the clique
thing that she's set up,

and they just went for it, so...
Yeah, incredible.

Yeah. Yeah, excellent.

And they turned on Tyler.

Yeah. I mean, it's proper
herd mentality stuff,

it felt like. Yeah, it is. I know.

Yeah. I know.

And he don't like herds.
He likes birds.

THEY LAUGH
He's a flock guy.

He's a flock guy!
Not a herd guy! Yeah.

So look, before we welcome Tyler in,

we'll chat about
the roundtable briefly,

before we have to bring
Tyler in and make him relive

that whole situation.

The Traitors had to do
very little at this roundtable.

Is that, is that the,
is that the dream scenario?

Yep. Really? Yeah.
That's the sign of a good Traitor.

They just basically wind
everybody else up quietly. Yeah.

Not spouting and going from group
to group and shouting out names.

Just do it quietly and then
you just can sit back

and let them get on with it.

Yeah, Minah did all the work... Yeah.
..and she watched it play out

way quicker than she
must have anticipated

that it would happen. Yeah.

I mean, it's fantastic television.

Yeah. It's so good because when
you have that information

and you're watching all of them
essentially implode,

it's, it's good, it's good TV.

Now, talking of our Traitors,
it's time for our Uncloaked

exclusive, where banished
Tyler finds out their identities

after he left the castle.

Enjoy.

Feeling like, you know,
obviously a bit, a bit gutted,

because obviously, I feel
like my journey has come

to an end too soon.

I feel like, if you're
going back, like a flower, kind of,

like I've not fully bloomed out.

I feel like I'm midway and there
was more to bloom out, really.

I wish I could have stayed longer,

but I'm a big believer of everything
happens for a reason, so we'll see.

Freddie is a Traitor.

I believe Leon has been recruited

to be a Traitor cos

I just can't believe he's done that

at the roundtable.

And then the third one...

This is a guess. Like, a reach.

Probably Joe,
I'm going to go with.

All right, come on, then.

Oh, please don't be Livi.

Oh, my God.

She's playing a good game.

LAUGHING: She's playing a good game.

Linda.

Jesus.

All right, then,
Traitor number two.

Oh, my God.

No way.

Have I actually read that right?

Minah.

I can't believe Minah
is actually a Traitor.

She's so quiet, like...

And Linda as well.

Like, they don't say anything
round the roundtable.

Obviously, we took out the voice
of the three in Armani.

She was the one calling the shots.

We've took her out and then the two
girls are keeping the ship afloat.

It's like they've masterminded
this unbelievable plan.

Like, put them in charge
of the country right now.

I cannot, honestly, my head's gone.

I can't believe it.

And he's here with us now.

Welcome, Tyler! Yay!
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

We are delighted to
have you here, Tyler.

Thank you very much.

And that was such a great clip.

Yeah. I loved seeing you find out
that Minah was a Traitor

and check to see if you've
read it right.

That's incredible.

I weren't good at English
at school, so...
THEY CHUCKLE

Well, you said they'd be good
in charge of the country. Mm-hm.

What do you think Linda and Minah
would bring to the Government?

Women power. Women power. Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Thinking back, do you think
they're equally sort of in charge?

Or do you think one's
sort of masterminding it?

Er...

You got the older head on Linda's
shoulders, obviously. Yeah.

And then Minah's like a bit
more adventurous one out of the two.

But they're a good team, you know.

You know, old and young together,

kind of mix, it's like
mixing up paints,

you know, just makes a lovely
colour. You know what I mean?

So they're great Traitors,
then, really? Yeah, they're good.

Because, you had absolutely no
suspicion about either of them?

No. Like... That's incredible.
TYLER EXHALES SHARPLY

When Elen said about
there's female Traitors...

Yeah. Strong, "strong women",
she said. Yeah.

..obviously Armani, that's what
flicked, like, the switch

for me. Yeah. But then you
got rid of Elen, all of you.

No, I know, yeah.
I still feel bad about that.

But, er...
They got rid of you, Tyler.
THEY CHUCKLE

So you don't have to feel
bad about getting rid

of anyone else now.

Linda, I don't know, just...

Why do you think Jake didn't push
Linda, though?

We are so puzzled by that.

Er, well, when he came off the,
uh, the boat,

when we had the boat mission...
Mm-hm, yeah.

..and that's when he kind
of announced it,

but no-one really got on it.

NISH AND ED: Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?

It was just like, do we feel sorry
for her cos she's an older woman?

DIANE CLEARS THROAT
THEY LAUGH

You know. Sorry, Diane.

So you should be.

But we always get
told to respect our elders,

so it was just a bit like, you know.

I know for a fact - and I don't want
to embarrass you, Tyler -

that Tyler is a huge fan
of yours, Diane.

Aw, you told her. Yeah.
THEY LAUGH

Oh, good. How does it feel?

How young do you want me?

THEY LAUGH
I'm a fan of Nish as well.
Fan of Nish as well, yeah?

And of you as well.

Diane's just a bit, you know,
a bit more.

How do you feel being in a room
with Diane,

to have this opportunity
to meet Diane?

Well, you know, watching you
on season two,

that was the one where I was like,
"Oof, this is a bit of me,"

do you know what I mean? Like...

I'd have been good in there
with you, Diane, I think.

I agree. You know,
I love watching it cos, like,

the challenges and the missions
and obviously the twists and turns,

obviously your twist, Diane, with
your son, Ross, pulls you in. Yeah.

It's like a, I don't know,
like a whirlwind just pulling you.

You just want to get in there.
Do you know what I mean?

You love the missions as well,
right? Yeah.

You were great at the missions.
You really loved that and
you were great at them, yeah.

Yeah. I think I called myself
the mission man.

Yeah. Yeah, you know.
Well, it was the,

I think it was the first
mission, actually, where

you were having to get
the gunpowder and bringing back the,

the treasure chests
and all of that. Oh, yeah.

I think it's Alex who said,
"I don't know what,

"Tyler's just found some
massive motivation.
Yeah, he did, yeah, yeah.

And it cut to a clip of you
running with this chest

like, "Come on!
Dig in! Dig in!"

Yeah. You're such a
pure soul, Tyler.

Thanks, mate. And, like,
I think on the missions,

it really looked like that was
the thing you really loved.

You really like
the teamwork element,

you really like the people
you're in with.

I have no clue why they
got rid of you.

I think it's one of, like, I think
we're on sort of back-to-back

decisions, between you and Kas,

where I can't read the group's
thinking at all. No. No.

It built so quickly in one
episode as well,

so it was literally like... Yep.

It's rare you see it where
someone's mentioned

at the beginning of an episode,

that plan immediately comes through,
and then you were gone

by the end of the episode.
Yeah. Yeah. So it was so quick.

And also, things that some
people were saying -

this got brought up a lot -

was that with Armani they were
saying, "Well, you didn't say Armani

"until everyone else said Armani,

"and then you took credit for it,"

which is not true
because you mentioned Armani,

I think, quite early on -
in the second episode, maybe. Yeah.

Uh, yeah.

Um, I remember getting Kas into the
bar and I didn't even let him talk.

He tried to talk, I was like,
"No, wait."

Like, pushing him back like, "No."

I says, "This is our plan.
We need to set a trap."

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Now, we saw in that clip
there that you were very sure

that Freddie was a Traitor.
Oh, God, no.

Don't worry.
You've not been the only one so far

who's, before they've
opened the envelope,

said that it's definitely Freddie

and then realised that it's not. Aw.

Um, how did you feel when you saw
that his name wasn't on the paper?

Um, I just feel so bad now
because he's, like, you know,

he's 20 years of age. I'm 29.

It's like I've, oh, no.

You were pretty confident
going into that roundtable. I know.

So yeah, let's have a little
reminder of that moment.

DRAMATIC RHYTHMIC MUSIC PLAYS

Going into the roundtable,

you know, confident as pie.

I've got great friends in here,
you know, gravy on chips.

I'm feeling good.

Pie. Gravy on chips.

Are you sure you were confident,
and not just hungry?

THEY LAUGH

Now, yeah,
you were very confident going in.

It was heartbreaking to watch
as well from a viewer perspective

because we knew that chat
had happened. Yeah.

And then you said, "I've got friends
in here, I'm going to be fine."

Aw, no. And yeah, it was just a real
surprise at that moment for you.

That's why I was saying,
like when I was leaving,

that Leon
must have been recruited

because he was my mate in there.
Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. But it's a game.

It's a game, yeah.

And also, Leon,
I think particularly...

I think he got scared of
the clique thing.

Yeah, he got, him and Leanne,

you just saw their heads go.

Livi was the only one
who didn't panic. Yeah. Yeah.

How much do you appreciate
that she still stuck

up for you at the roundtable?

Er, I get emotional
talking about this.

She, honestly,
like, with Livi,

she was like a sister
like that in there to me.

She stuck up for me
at that roundtable

and I was just like, you know,

she's my best friend, do you know
what I mean? In there.

When you said to her... Yeah?

.."stay strong.
Remember, it's a game,"

I thought she could interpret
that either way.

Yeah, yeah. Because
I would be sat there going,

"That's what a Traitor would say."

THEY LAUGH
No, she genuinely trusted you and
liked you. I think she genuinely...

Yeah, she did. Yeah.
No, I trusted her.

Like, I'd have backed her to
the hills and back.

Yeah. Know what I mean?
And she would've done
the same for you.

If I had opened
that envelope and it was her...
TYLER EXHALES DEEPLY

But it wasn't.

You wouldn't see me here today.
I'd be gone.

No, but that's, but therefore,
your judgment was right,

where it meant something.
Yeah. 100%.

Yeah.
If it makes you feel any better,

you had no idea who was
in the envelope.

No.

LAUGHING: It was, you were,

that's the most shocked I've
ever seen somebody react. Yeah.

I just couldn't believe it.

Like... I've never seen anyone
drop the paper.

Ant did fall on the floor, though.

Anthony fell on the floor and
ate his own chain, but, um, yeah.

Well, Tyler, you were yourself
from day one. Yeah. Mm-hm.

You always wore your heart
on your sleeve,

even from episode one. Cheers, mate.

Let's go back and remind
ourselves of that.

What I'm worried about is
that if we don't come to a decision

by the end of it, more than one
of us will be kicked off. Yeah.

I think we need to take
the hit on one person quickly.

I think this feels bad, though,
someone going now.
Is anybody else...

Are you all right, Tyler?
It's all right, Tyler.

I just, as soon as that happened,
I thought,

"Tyler's the sweetest man
who's ever been on the show."

Oh, dear. "Please,
please don't make him a Traitor."

Because I don't, I think it'll weigh
too heavily on his conscience.

Yeah. Is that
something you considered?

That, if you were made a Traitor,
do you think you could have dealt

with that on your conscience?

Being a barber and that,
I've got a lot of trust off people.

Do you know what I mean?

Well, this is how Sweeney Todd
got away with it.

No, we're just, obviously
people trust me

cutting their hair and stuff,
so if I was a Traitor,

I don't think they'd ever trust me
to cut their hair again.

Do you know what I mean?
Like, "Is he lying to me
that this looks good?"

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?
Why is he doing it with a scythe?

LAUGHING: Yeah.

Yeah. Just... Were you
surprised by how

immediately emotionally invested
you were in the game?

When you were on the train,

did that take you by surprise
that you were,

you were so into it so quickly?

I'm not a massive, you're going
to laugh at this, but I'm not

a massively emotional person.

But I just, something just
flicked in my head,

I was just like,
just started crying.

I was just like, cos of this guy,
Alexander, who sacrificed himself...

Yeah. That could have been me,
it could've been someone next to me.

I just thought, "He's put himself
on the line here,"

and it just got me. Yeah.

Yeah. It was like... You say it
could have been you,

but you were very adamant that
you weren't getting off the train.

You were like, "There is no way
I'm getting off this train."

Yeah, "You'll have to chuck me out
the window," I think I said.

Let's take a look at the moment
where you left the castle.

I just want to say
I love all of you.

It's just a game.

So just keep going and smash it.

I love you.

PIANO CHORDS PLAY
STRINGS BOW QUIETLY

I am...

..Faithful.

Nn...
STRINGS AND PIANO SOAR

Oh, my God.

SNIFFING

There you go.

She knew. She absolutely
knew. Can I just say as well,

this is a hard watch for everybody
that saw that. Yeah.

Yeah, I saw. Watching me.
Because we have been

bleeding tears today... Yeah. Aw.

..you know, watching this
and discussing it.

It has been hard, you know. Yeah.

Being banished, would you
have preferred that

to being murdered?
Which of the two would you prefer?

Yeah, obviously,
sorry, Diane, but you got murdered,

but I always said I wanted
to be banished,

just because you can stand up
in front of everybody,

you can look at everyone,
what their emotions are

and then when you say that word,
you're a Faithful...

Yeah. Yeah. ..you can just see
what the reactions are.

That's what I always wanted,

I always wanted to stand up there
and say what I was.

You get that moment and then

you also get to see
the looks in the faces

of people who
voted for you. Right? Yeah.

You're like, "What are you doing,
you idiots?"

Yeah.

But obviously, Diane,
you were murdered,

but in the most fantastic
way possible.
Yes, but I would not have wanted...

You were buried alive.

Yes, but I would not have wanted
to have gone to an envelope

sitting on a chair,
I can guarantee you.

I thought I was
going to get murdered.

I mean, I probably should have got
murdered way earlier on than I did.

But I would not have wanted
an envelope.

I would have liked what you said,
being banished and being able

to stand there and say or justify
or do, you know,

some sort of
protection or defence. Yeah.

Getting an envelope is very harsh.

It feels like you've gone, like,

you've been chucked out the
back door kind of thing.

Yes. You always want
to go out the front door

on your high horse.
I totally agree with you.

There was some suspicion
on you as well

because of Freddie, actually,
because you did have that one

episode, which I think to me
summed up what I would be like

in The Traitors, which is, you said,
"We're all going for Freddie."

Then you went,
"I think it might be Kas."

Then it was back to Freddie,
then there was a moment

where I was like,
"I completely empathise with that"

where you just went,
"Oh, I don't know."

Yeah. Yeah.

I just couldn't, I couldn't
make my mind up.

And then in the end I just went Kas.

Yeah. And yeah, it looked
suspicious, looking back now.

Well, the looks that Livi and Leanne
shot you across the roundtable.

Oh, I know.

I felt like I let my sisters down,
basically, especially Livi.

Well, there is a moment
afterwards, where they come

up to you and basically corner you...

I know. ..to say,
"Why didn't you vote for Freddie?"

I know. And it was like two sisters
going at their big brother

because you were all
sort of laughing as well,

because you were like,
"This is ridiculous."

Yeah. I just, yeah,
I just, I don't know.

But when they said, like, you know,
I laugh a lot and stuff and...

That was mad. Yeah.

We see you smiling.

It's like, yeah, you've just
got rid of another Faithful

for a glint in the eye. Yeah.

You did leave some suspicions
as you left the roundtable as well.

Hmm. What was it that you found
powerful about Leon?

I mean, you were in there. Yeah.

From a viewer perspective,
I'm not necessarily getting that.

Nor me. At one point, you referred
to him as "an olden days king".

Just, I don't know, like,
he's got, I don't know,

around the roundtable,
obviously, being in there,

it was just like when he spoke,
like, everyone just shut up

and just let him say everything
he wanted to say. Right. Yeah.

Did you genuinely
think he was a Traitor

or were you just annoyed
because he was your mate

and he kind of turned on you?

I didn't 100% think he was
a Traitor,

but because he just turned
on me like that, I was like,

"What the hell?" Like... Yeah.
It's like Traitors' behaviour, then.

What you saw. Yeah. Because
obviously in the morning

when we all got into the
breakfast room and stuff,

no-one had been murdered...

Yeah. So I was thinking,

"If he's coming for me
at the roundtable,

"does that mean he was
recruited on that..."

Right, yeah.
Know what I mean?

Because obviously we didn't
hear from Anna

about the failed recruitment, so...

No. That's what I was watching,
when I was watching it, I was like,

"If she'd just said,
it might have saved me."

Now, there was another big reveal
in this episode,

which happened
after your banishment, Tyler.

Oh, yeah. At the roundtable,
Lisa also came under suspicion

for her change in behaviour
and for her references to God.

I need to tell you all something.

OK.

OK.

A lot of people have questioned
the reason why I said,

"As God is my witness."

OK?

I am an ordained Anglican priest.

DRAMATIC ORCHESTRAL MUSIC BOOMS

The drama.

Oh. I love that Lisa thought,

"Well, I do need to start
telling people"

and rather than doing it one by one
or telling one person, she was like,

"No, I'm scripting this." Yeah.

Diane, do you think this was a good
idea for Lisa to reveal this?

Obviously you had a secret
in the castle,

but you took it
to the grave with you.

Do you... Yeah, literally.

Do you think it was a good idea
for Lisa to do this?

I don't think she needed to.

I think she should have been more
sensible at the beginning

and not said "as God is my witness"
and not worn a crucifix

or at least hidden it.
Why is that a problem?

I don't know why that's a problem
for anyone. Because, I think,

well, I just think people
don't say that any more. Yeah.

You know, she didn't...
But I'm not saying that that meant,

immediately, she was a priest.
I'm not saying that at all. Yeah.

But she drew attention to herself
by using that phrase. Mm-hm.

Yeah. I don't think she needed
to tell anybody at any stage.

No. I think she's now put a target
on her back, actually,

is what I think she's done.
I'm afraid to say,

it's another example of this
very compelling group of people

on television who we're
really enjoying watching,

but who also make some of the
strangest decisions possible. Yeah.

And that's partly why it's such
good TV, because again, they, like,

they're all there going, "I'll tell
you what. She did say God a lot."

And meanwhile, Linda is like,
"I am a Traitor"

and they're like,
"Ssh, shut up, Linda. Ssh-ssh!

"I think we're onto
something with this." Yes!

That's exactly what's going on.
"She said God thing."

You're like, "What? What?
"Why is that suspicious behaviour?!"

We love Linda.

Well, as God is my witness,

we're going to continue the fun

over on BBC Sounds,

where we will get even more T

on our remaining players,

plus a big old deep dive into

two of Tyler's loves -

musicals and bird watching.

It's all in the bonus episode
of Uncloaked in your BBC Sounds app

right now, so you can listen
on the bus, in the car,

whilst you're on
a crisp morning walk.

Just scan the QR code below,
and if you're as confident as pie

about your abilities, then maybe
you've got what it takes

to be on the next series of
The Traitors.

A huge thanks to Nish, Diane
and Tyler for joining me.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

We'll be back after episode six
tomorrow, to dissect the fallout

from Tyler's banishment
and whether the Faithful

are going to get any closer
to actually catching a Traitor.

I'm Ed Gamble,
stay faithful.

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