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Hi, my name is James Fox.
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In 2022, I produced and directed
a documentary film
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- covering an alleged UFO crash
- It came, crashed...
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-that took place in
-It had red eyes...
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-Varginha, Brazil,
-...cowering and afraid.
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in 1996.
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Since the film's release,
a number of additional
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first-hand witnesses continue
to come forward.
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I saw it clearly.
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I could really see it,
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a flying cigar.
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-Landed.
-Wow.
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What? I thought,
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this thing is not from here.
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I was the Chief of Police.
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I went to the site where
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the creatures
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were captured!
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Why are you talking
about it now?
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Because I trust your work...
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You're investigating something
that I participated in.
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The eyes were shaped
like teardrops.
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How much time did
he spend with the alien in the room?
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Five minutes?
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Ten?
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Give him a moment.
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Three or four minutes.
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For the first time
in history, we've had several
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congressional hearings
where high-level
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intelligence officials have
testified under oath
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that such crash-retrieval
programs have taken place
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around the world for decades.
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Uh, I was informed in the course
of my official duties
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of a multi-decade, uh,
UAP crash-retrieval
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and reverse engineering program.
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Who are the contractors
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that have this material?
The corporations.
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Well, one of them is Lockheed.
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And I'll tell you, I mean, you know,
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I'm not saying Lockheed's the bad guys.
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They're doing what they were asked to do.
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Have you been exposed
to undeniable confirmation
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of NHI technology and its base systems
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involved in any way
with reverse engineering
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exploitation of non-human
intelligence craft?
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We're gonna have to have a conversation
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...whether I'm legally
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even allowed to answer that and whether
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you're even allowed to hear it, sir.
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Are any of you willing to name
specific gatekeepers
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within the root cell of the
UAP-SAP federation?
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You mean specific
people and contractors that
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- have dealt with this and kept the secret?
- Specific...
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Specific individuals.
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Well, one of them, uh, was named
Dr. James Ryder
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at, uh-- at Lockheed.
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Glenn Gaffney, CIA.
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When do you think those programs
began and who authorized them?
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I do know a lot of that information,
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but that's something
I can't discuss publicly.
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Where was it?
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I can't tell you that, ma'am.
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You specifically said
the document said
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you can't talk about craft retrieval.
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You know, you can't talk about Fight Club
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if there's no Fight Club.
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This was taken
October 30th of 2024.
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This video is of an MQ-9 drone
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tracking an orb off the coast of Yemen.
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Um, you'll see that another MQ-9,
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um, launched a Hellfire missile.
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This is when is-- it zoomed out,
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so you can still see it traveling.
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These observations were multi-sensor
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and recorded inside of ICC-1.
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Tic-tac-shaped object
emerged from the ocean
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before linking up
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with three other sim-- similar objects.
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There is something out there, and
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we should know, as the people, what it is.
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Do you believe that federal
government is knowingly
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concealing evidence about
UAPs from the public?
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Yes, sir.
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100%.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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What are we actually talking about?
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Strong evidence that they're
non-human, higher intelligence.
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As the regulatory body,
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we must know.
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Well, let me know when you're ready.
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Rollin'.
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I'm Eric Davis.
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I'm an astrophysicist
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and a space nuclear
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propulsion and power engineer
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in the aerospace industry.
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I have worked practically
30 years investigating
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the legacy crash retrieval program,
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which involves the recovery
and reverse engineering studies
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of UAP craft and sometimes
also the recovery
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of NHI bodies, non-human
intelligence bodies.
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- And, uh...
- Dr. Eric W. Davis
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is a contractor and scientific consultant
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to multiple classified U.S. government,
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UAP investigation programs
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for the DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence,
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and Department of Defense.
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In 2025, he briefed members of Congress,
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revealing as much unclassified detail
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as he could without breaking his oath.
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I have been exposed to so much
in the classified room
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that I can tell you,
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definitively that there is--
that they're there.
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The frustration from
the mainstream media is
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these are extraordinary claims.
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Mm-hmm. But they're classified,
so I can't give you the classified info.
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That's what we tell
reporters all the time.
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Too bad.
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Yeah-- Yeah, but what's
the answer to that?
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Select members of Congress
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with the appropriate clearances
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do have the ability to enter a SCIF,
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a Sensitive Compartmented
Information Facility,
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and receive the classified details
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needed to verify these claims.
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I know the exact locations,
and-- and those locations
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were provided to the inspector general
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and-- some of which to the
intelligence committees. I actually...
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During almost 12 hours
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in a classified setting,
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decorated war veteran and
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former intelligence
officer-turned-whistleblower,
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David Grusch,
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provided the
Intelligence Community
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Inspector General,
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Congressional Intelligence
Committee staffers,
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and their lawyers from
both House and Senate
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the details needed to verify his claims.
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Including,
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program names,
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the gatekeepers' names,
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the specific locations of the materials,
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as well as the contractors working with
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the government on these programs.
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When you say crash retrieval,
what do you mean?
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Non-human, exotic origin,
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vehicles that have either
landed or crashed.
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We have spacecraft from another species.
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We do. Yeah.
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It is big news.
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Senator Rubio says Grusch is not the only
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high-level government official
to come forward
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with these kinds of claims.
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There are others.
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There are people
that have come forward
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to share information
with our committee.
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I wanna be very protective
of these people.
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A lot of these people
came to us even before
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these protections went into law
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for whistleblowers to come forward.
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And frankly, a lot of them
were very fearful.
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Fearful of their jobs,
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fearful of their clearances,
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fearful of their career.
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And-- And some, frankly, are-- are
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fearful of harm coming to them.
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In protest of excessive secrecy
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and threats to his
family's personal safety,
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Grusch resigned just before
his 20-year retirement
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and thus lost all his benefits.
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So you start a--
you do ask yourself, like,
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what... incentive
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would so many people with
that kind of, um, qualification,
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these are serious people,
have to come forward
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and make something up?
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I know it's very difficult
for the American public
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and especially news journalists
and reporters to swallow this,
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but the fact is you have to
remember all of those witnesses,
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including Dave Grusch,
testified under oath
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of penalty of perjury.
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So they can't get up there
and commit acts of perjury
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by lying about it 'cause they know
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they'll go to jail and pay a fine.
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And he's already told
a good chunk of the all
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in classified briefings
in his SCIF at the Congress,
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so they've already got a good picture of
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what he found
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in his investigation
of the crash retrieval,
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of the legacy crash retrieval program.
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I-- I'm just so curious...
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Kirk McConnell recently retired
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after serving 37 years
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on the Congressional Armed Services
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and Intelligence Committees,
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where he held the highest,
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most compartmented security clearances.
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He was also one of the
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Senate's lead staffers
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investigating UFOs.
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People who were involved
with, uh, the acknowledged,
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uh, DOD program that Harry Reid initiated,
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but we were also starting to
find some individuals who were
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willing to come forward and talk about
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the existence of a legacy program
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and crash retrievals and the,
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you know, uh, biological evidence.
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Some of them had firsthand knowledge.
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What was it like
to be sitting in a SCIF...
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...with these alleged
firsthand witnesses?
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What were the looks
on the senators' faces?
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You know, it kind of turns
your-- your world upside down,
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uh, and it takes a l--
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took a lot of, uh, ps--
psychological adjustment,
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uh, to begin to accept,
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uh, this kind of reality.
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It is mind-blowing to adjust to.
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Yeah.
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Put me wherever you were
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when you got to see photographs
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of crash retrieval and documents.
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What did that feel like?
What did it--
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That was startling when I actually...
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...see...
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...recorded evidence with my own eyes.
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Photographs, reports, and whatnot.
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That took it to a higher level.
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That kicked it up
several notches of reality,
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and that made it very...
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...clear that this reality is very hard,
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very physical, very real,
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and, uh, this type of evidence, um,
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you can't come by in the open literature.
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It's not public. It's classified.
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And I can't discuss what it was,
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but I can tell you, yeah,
it's a crash retrieval.
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There's a craft, and there's alien bodies.
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That's all I can say about it.
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You swear on your life
that you saw those pictures?
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Oh, I swear on my life and everybody's,
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my-- my children's life, so...
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Yeah, I'm absolutel
telling you the truth.
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I saw the evidence, and it's stark.
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I can't tell you the exact number,
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-Yeah.
-'cause it's classified,
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but I'll just say it, there's a few dozen
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total retrievals.
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1930s...
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-...crash retrieval?
-Yes.
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Yes, it's in the classified record
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that that's a real event.
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-1940s?
-Yes.
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- Roswell and...
- As incredible
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as these reports appear,
they are nothing new.
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...in 53 and one in 58.
But there are others.
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So when do you think this first occurred?
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Previously, 1930s.
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Investigative reporter, magazine editor,
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and UFO researcher Maurizio Baiata.
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In 1933,
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some disk-shaped object...
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...crashed not so far from here.
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Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini
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reportedly got his hands on the UFO.
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According to an age-verified
top-secret Italian telegram,
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Mussolini ordered absolute silence
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regarding the alleged landing
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on national soil of an unknown aircraft.
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"Maximum penalty for noncompliance
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will be enforced by the
Special Tribunal for State Security."
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Mussolini and the fascist regime
will have the chance to develop,
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um, new technology
out of that stuff, you kn--
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if it came really, uh, from space.
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Some of these crash retrieval programs...
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According to sworn
congressional testimony,
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the 1933 Magenta UFO
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was acquired by the Americans
at the end of World War II.
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Headline edition, July 8th, 1947.
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The Army Air Forces has
announced that a flying disk
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has been found and is now
in the possession of the Army.
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The 509th Bomb Squadron,
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based at Roswell Army Airfield,
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was an elite, hand-selected unit
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exclusively responsible
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for the deployment
of atomic weapons in 1947.
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One of the first military
personnel on the site
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was Chief Intelligence Officer
Major Jesse Marcel.
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Being an intelligence officer,
I was familiar with just about
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every-- all materials used
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in aircraft and in our air travel.
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This was nothing like that.
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It was not anything from this Earth
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that I'm quite sure of.
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May 19, 1953.
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A 32-kiloton fission bomb
nicknamed Hamlet
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is exploded at the Yucca Flat
nuclear test site in Nevada.
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Two days later, witnesses would report
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a UFO recovery in Kingman, Arizona,
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roughly 100 miles away.
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A UFO crashed in Kingman
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back in 1953,
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and then the aircraft was
seized by the Air Force.
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According to a 1973 sworn affidavit
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by Wright-Patterson Air Force
engineer Arthur Stansel,
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known under the alias of Fritz Werner,
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"I do solemnly swear that
during a special assignment
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with the U.S. Air Force
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on May 21st, 1953,
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I assisted the investigation of a crashed,
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unknown object in the vicinity
of Kingman, Arizona."
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And the revelations didn't stop there.
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He has a program of
monitoring these crazy...
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Former Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Defense
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for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon,
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made public a previously
secret correspondence
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with a high-level government
official who shared
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specific details of the Kingman incident.
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...recovered.
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We're dealing with the recovered UAP
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that landed, not crashed, landed
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in Kingman, Arizona, in the 50s.
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We now know the management structure
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and security control systems
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and ownership of the crash retrieval.
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We also know who
the Air Force gatekeeper is,
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and he names him.
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Mellon provided an unredacted copy
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to select members of Congress.
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On the 9th of December, 1965,
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residents across Ontario, Michigan,
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Ohio, and Pennsylvania
reported a brilliant,
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unknown object streaking across the sky
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before it crash-landed near
Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.
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I had seen it out of
our bedroom window.
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The wife and I came
to this spot right here.
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They tried to get down to the
woods where the object fell.
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They were confronted by armed soldiers
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who aimed their rifles at them.
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It didn't drop out of the sky.
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It had to come in on an angle.
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The wife and I came from Greensburg.
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The military was already here.
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How did the military get here so quick?
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There was jeeps and trucks,
guys in-- in uniform,
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along with state police,
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00:16:26,194 --> 00:16:28,571
and just converged on the area
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00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:30,990
where that thing had come down.
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Behind me, there was a truck
pulled in, big box truck.
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There was four people
got out of that, that I seen.
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They were carrying a box.
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These guys were
dressed in moon suits.
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Four people got out in the moon suits,
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and they took that box down
and took it down
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toward where the object had landed.
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The Kecksburg
UFO incident took place
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inside the U.S. Army's
so-called Ring of Steel,
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a defensive circle of nuclear-tipped
Hercules missiles
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surrounding Pittsburgh.
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Some of those sites
were only 15 miles away.
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A number of firsthand witnesses reported
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seeing an acorn-shaped object
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with strange symbols across the bottom
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before the military arrived.
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Went out of there around
1 o'clock in the morning
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with a tarp over it,
with a military escort.
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I was told by independent sources
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it went to Lockbourne Air Force
Base near Columbus, Ohio.
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00:17:37,682 --> 00:17:39,517
It stayed there under heavy security.
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They had a security perimeter
set up around the hangar.
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It only stayed there for a short time,
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00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:47,024
then it continued on to
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
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Where it's at today, we do not know.
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What suggests that
it is not human-made
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is the fact that the craft was seen
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making zigzag turns in the sky.
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00:17:58,244 --> 00:18:00,204
It wasn't just like it came crashing down.
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00:18:00,288 --> 00:18:02,415
It was actually maneuvering in the sky
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00:18:02,498 --> 00:18:04,083
before it landed,
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00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:06,335
and it really more landed than crashed.
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00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:08,754
So the other thing that's
interesting about it to me is
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if it really wasn't something
really, really, really
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00:18:11,632 --> 00:18:13,259
significant, why not just release
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00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:15,386
the data about it after all these years?
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00:18:17,221 --> 00:18:21,100
In 1980, a joint
British and U.S. air base,
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00:18:21,183 --> 00:18:23,603
RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge,
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00:18:23,686 --> 00:18:25,438
contained the largest stockpile
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00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:27,982
of tactical nuclear weapons in Europe.
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00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,319
It was here that a triangular,
389
00:18:31,402 --> 00:18:34,405
somewhat pyramid-shaped UFO landed.
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00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:39,327
Military Officer Sergeant Jim Penniston
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00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:43,456
inspected the strange craft
for over 45 minutes
392
00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:45,124
as it sat on the ground.
393
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:48,002
The feeling I had during
the encounter was like...
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...no type of aircraft
that I've ever seen before.
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00:18:51,172 --> 00:18:52,423
It was not in the
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00:18:52,506 --> 00:18:54,133
Jane's book of known aircraft,
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00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:56,052
or anything I've seen since.
398
00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:58,763
After roughly about 45 minutes,
399
00:18:58,846 --> 00:19:01,766
the light from the craft
began to intensify.
400
00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:04,477
Burroughs and I then took
a defensive position
401
00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:07,480
away from the craft
as it lifted off the ground
402
00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:08,898
without any noise
403
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,691
or air disturbance.
404
00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:12,068
It maneuvered through the trees
405
00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,195
and shot off at an unbelievable...
406
00:19:15,196 --> 00:19:16,197
...rate of speed.
407
00:19:16,656 --> 00:19:18,532
It was gone in a blink of an eye.
408
00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:21,202
In my law book that I have right here,
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00:19:21,953 --> 00:19:23,079
I wrote,
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00:19:23,204 --> 00:19:25,456
"Speed, impossible."
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00:19:25,957 --> 00:19:29,961
That night, over 80 Air Force personnel,
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00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:32,338
all trained observers, assigned
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00:19:32,421 --> 00:19:35,466
to the 81st Security Police
Squadron witnessed the takeoff.
414
00:19:35,925 --> 00:19:38,177
The information acquired
during that investigation
415
00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,304
was reported through my military channels.
416
00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:42,390
The team and witnesses were told
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00:19:42,723 --> 00:19:45,142
to treat the investigation as top secret.
418
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:52,608
There are many other
reports from around the world
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00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:55,778
of landed and/or crashed UFOs,
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00:19:56,112 --> 00:19:57,780
but the most well-documented
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00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:00,074
and compelling case in modern history
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00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:03,869
took place just outside
the heavily populated city
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00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:08,290
of Varginha, Brazil in January of 1996.
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00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:13,337
According to credible first-hand reports,
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00:20:13,504 --> 00:20:16,132
several aliens survived the crash.
426
00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:23,806
Many people believe this
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00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:25,641
is about an extraterrestrial.
428
00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:27,226
It's been said the being
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00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:29,228
was captured by the authorities
430
00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:31,814
and is being kept hidden somewhere.
431
00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:34,275
The strange creature was captured
432
00:20:34,358 --> 00:20:36,527
and taken to another state.
433
00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:38,863
The commanding
General gave a statement
434
00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:40,364
denying the whole story.
435
00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:43,075
We have nothing to hide.
436
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:44,577
It was losing altitude.
437
00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:47,955
It would glide and slowly lose altitude
438
00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:49,331
as it moved ahead.
439
00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:51,000
If true,
440
00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:53,044
call it another Roswell, if you will.
441
00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:58,507
It is a crashed vehicle that had
beings on board, apparently.
442
00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:02,970
Can she say what feeling
she got from the picture?
443
00:21:03,387 --> 00:21:04,680
He was
444
00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:06,307
scared
445
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:08,434
and hiding from something.
446
00:21:10,728 --> 00:21:12,438
The Varginha case is considered...
447
00:21:13,439 --> 00:21:14,565
...the most...
448
00:21:16,025 --> 00:21:17,693
...well-kept secret...
449
00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:21,280
...in the military circles of Brazil.
450
00:21:36,545 --> 00:21:38,964
We're in São Paulo, Brazil.
451
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:41,550
About to go and investigate
452
00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:44,845
the infamous 1996 Varginha UFO incident.
453
00:21:45,221 --> 00:21:47,515
My objective here in Brazil
is to put some clarity
454
00:21:47,598 --> 00:21:49,475
on what happened and...
455
00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:52,436
...where this debris ultimately ended up.
456
00:21:55,272 --> 00:21:57,149
You could just say
hypothetically for a moment,
457
00:21:57,274 --> 00:21:58,317
if it did happen...
458
00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:01,487
...how significant
of an event would it be?
459
00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:03,489
I bet you that everyone would say,
460
00:22:03,781 --> 00:22:05,991
"There's nothing more
significant than this story."
461
00:22:06,075 --> 00:22:07,243
If it were true.
462
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:10,037
I just ask people to suspend judgment,
463
00:22:10,871 --> 00:22:12,581
listen to the testimony,
464
00:22:12,998 --> 00:22:14,708
and then draw your own conclusions.
465
00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:17,461
Hey, uh...
466
00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:20,756
We're just gonna drop me off,
or something, get some drinks,
467
00:22:21,132 --> 00:22:22,758
while they go around the block or wait.
468
00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:25,761
Upon arrival in Varginha,
469
00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:28,222
the filmmakers wanna hear from locals
470
00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:29,640
-regarding the alleged
-Alright.
471
00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:32,309
1996 UFO crash.
472
00:22:34,979 --> 00:22:37,940
A large monument in the
shape of a flying saucer
473
00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:41,819
is a clear indication that
the town embraces the story.
474
00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:45,030
Armed with handmade signs that read,
475
00:22:45,239 --> 00:22:49,660
"If anyone knows what happened
in 1996, please talk to us."
476
00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:51,954
The team takes to the streets.
477
00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:55,332
What does he think about the case? Does
he think it happened or didn't happen?
478
00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:57,418
It's possible.
- What are your feelings
479
00:22:57,501 --> 00:22:58,502
on Varginha?
480
00:22:58,586 --> 00:22:59,795
I believe.
481
00:23:00,004 --> 00:23:02,756
I believe in what the girls said they saw.
482
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:06,218
I really believe
the E.T. case in Varginha.
483
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:12,391
The 1996 Varginha
UFO incident, what do you think?
484
00:23:12,641 --> 00:23:14,310
Well, I believe yes.
485
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:18,731
I think the universe is big,
and that it probably happened.
486
00:23:28,365 --> 00:23:30,659
So, a lot of people in this town
487
00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:32,161
have a little piece of the puzzle.
488
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:33,871
We were only here for an hour and a half,
489
00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:35,122
and I can't believe how many people
490
00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:36,290
we got to come forward.
491
00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:37,499
What I love about this case
492
00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:39,043
is it's recent enough
493
00:23:39,335 --> 00:23:41,170
where people either heard accounts
494
00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:43,130
or experienced things themselves.
495
00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:47,593
So right now, we are going to meet
496
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:51,263
with the mayor of Varginha.
497
00:23:52,097 --> 00:23:54,516
So I'm very curious if an elected official
498
00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:58,395
will talk about the-- the
details of the-- of the case
499
00:23:58,479 --> 00:23:59,730
and whether he believes
500
00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:00,981
- it really happened.
- Yes.
501
00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:03,484
- Yes.
- These-- these sorts of things.
502
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:11,867
A pleasure to meet you, Mr. Vérdi.
503
00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:14,620
It's my pleasure.
504
00:24:15,913 --> 00:24:17,998
I believe for sure
505
00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:20,251
that this case happened,
506
00:24:20,334 --> 00:24:22,503
because so many events
507
00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:24,255
are connected.
508
00:24:24,338 --> 00:24:26,674
Suddenly you see the Army in the city,
509
00:24:26,757 --> 00:24:28,509
lots of people saw the Army here.
510
00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:31,679
Then, the death of a person
511
00:24:31,762 --> 00:24:33,806
who participated at the time,
512
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:35,516
an ex-police officer,
513
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,018
and the girls with whom I had contact,
514
00:24:38,102 --> 00:24:42,022
one was my nephew's girlfriend...
515
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:45,442
So, I am convinced that this happened.
516
00:25:00,291 --> 00:25:04,878
Put me on that farm
in January of 1996.
517
00:25:04,962 --> 00:25:05,963
What happened?
518
00:25:06,714 --> 00:25:09,800
It was because
of the noise from the cows.
519
00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:12,428
They were running around the house.
520
00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:14,346
That's what got my attention.
521
00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:16,056
Then I looked out the window and saw
522
00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:17,808
an object passing by,
523
00:25:17,891 --> 00:25:18,934
and then I called him.
524
00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:22,354
The object had a school bus shape.
525
00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:24,898
The size of a school bus.
526
00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:27,943
And... no noise at all.
527
00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,864
We kept looking because of
all the smoke coming from it,
528
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:34,033
clear white smoke around it.
529
00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:36,160
I even joked with her: What is that?
530
00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:38,829
It looks like a submarine!
Because it was floating.
531
00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:41,623
And we kept watching it,
532
00:25:42,291 --> 00:25:43,334
until it disappeared.
533
00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:44,835
I stood still.
534
00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:48,255
I was listening to see
if I could hear it fall.
535
00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:51,467
And he was looking
out the window, watching.
536
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,802
It looked like a cigar shape...
537
00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:55,846
...long like this...
538
00:25:57,097 --> 00:25:58,307
...like a cigar.
539
00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:03,520
Its speed made it look like
it was in trouble.
540
00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:07,358
It passed by very slowly.
541
00:26:11,028 --> 00:26:14,990
Roughly 20 miles as
the crow flies from the couple's sighting,
542
00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:18,660
farmer Fabio Furtado
encountered a similar object.
543
00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:20,621
From here, I saw,
544
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:21,997
it flew past here.
545
00:26:22,373 --> 00:26:24,249
It was moving like this, over there.
546
00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:26,126
I was watching it from here,
547
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:27,336
it was moving like this,
548
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:28,462
exactly here,
549
00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:30,339
and it landed over there.
550
00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:35,594
When it landed,
551
00:26:35,677 --> 00:26:37,971
kind of close by,
552
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:39,098
what do you think?
553
00:26:39,181 --> 00:26:40,224
"It's coming here!"
554
00:26:41,809 --> 00:26:42,810
What? I thought,
555
00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,311
"This thing is not from here."
556
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:47,439
We closed all the windows,
557
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:50,025
we locked ourselves inside,
and didn't leave for anything.
558
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:51,944
We didn't leave until dawn.
559
00:26:53,695 --> 00:26:55,280
I saw it clearly.
560
00:26:55,364 --> 00:26:58,033
I could really see it,
very clearly, an object,
561
00:26:58,534 --> 00:27:00,702
different, a flying cigar.
562
00:27:05,374 --> 00:27:07,835
-Landed. It landed there.
-Wow.
563
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:09,962
Then you weren't able to see
564
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:11,547
-anything?
-I closed everything up.
565
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:13,173
And then
he closed everything, and...
566
00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:15,884
And like it's
said, we ran to the bathroom!
567
00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:18,887
- Yeah. Yeah.
- To clean ourselves.
568
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:20,389
You can't... Can you imagine?
569
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:21,890
What was that?
570
00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:26,937
My name is Carlos de Sousa.
571
00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:31,483
I was here on this road in 1996,
572
00:27:32,109 --> 00:27:33,986
when the UFO crash happened.
573
00:27:34,069 --> 00:27:37,281
I'm here today to tell my story.
574
00:27:40,576 --> 00:27:41,869
Três Corações.
575
00:27:42,077 --> 00:27:43,495
The crash was here.
576
00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:48,208
January 13th, 1996.
577
00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:52,880
Carlos de Sousa is traveling
from São Paulo to Minas Gerais
578
00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:56,175
early in the morning,
planning to meet with friends
579
00:27:56,258 --> 00:27:58,260
to fly ultralight planes.
580
00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:00,637
That's where everything happened.
581
00:28:01,555 --> 00:28:03,932
Crash witness Carlos de Sousa
582
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:07,769
describes a similar object
in this exclusive interview.
583
00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:09,980
The side of it was completely torn,
584
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,357
and it had white smoke coming out.
585
00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,568
It wasn't black smoke like from a fire.
586
00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:17,446
At the time, I thought it was...
587
00:28:19,823 --> 00:28:22,784
...like an aircraft in trouble,
an airplane,
588
00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:24,495
so I decided to follow it.
589
00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:27,789
An object coming this way,
590
00:28:27,873 --> 00:28:31,251
with this part... torn off.
591
00:28:32,461 --> 00:28:36,256
It headed toward the highway.
592
00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:39,301
I was driving on the freeway, down below.
593
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:41,178
It was at a height of about
594
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:44,681
...400, 300 meters or so.
595
00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:47,267
And it was losing altitude.
596
00:28:48,602 --> 00:28:50,354
Losing, losing altitude.
597
00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,981
It went all the way to the road.
598
00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:59,655
On the road, it made a 360º turn...
599
00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:05,369
...and came, kept losing altitude,
600
00:29:05,452 --> 00:29:07,996
then it gained altitude again.
601
00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:09,957
And when it arrived
602
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,751
approximately from where I am, about
603
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:15,295
100 meters, 150 meters,
604
00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:19,383
the engines totally died,
and it went down.
605
00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:24,179
As if it couldn't sustain...
the necessary lifting force to fly.
606
00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:27,099
It totally lost it and
went "puff" to the ground.
607
00:29:30,811 --> 00:29:35,440
There must be some people... in there,
608
00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:38,902
and those people
are going to need help right now.
609
00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,658
Now 26 years later,
610
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:47,327
the team travels with Carlos de Sousa
611
00:29:47,411 --> 00:29:49,121
to find the crash site.
612
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:02,968
Turn around.
613
00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:05,804
Alright.
614
00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:07,889
- Careful, the dust.
- He's trying to remember.
615
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:10,017
- Yes, there is the... Yes.
- The top.
616
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:13,854
I remember passing by two cattle grates.
The first, and the second.
617
00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:17,190
If they were inside the house...
618
00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:19,484
If they didn't...
How did you know if...
619
00:30:19,568 --> 00:30:21,903
I don't remember...
It's been 26 years...
620
00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:24,573
He-- He doesn't, uh...
621
00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:26,491
- remember,
- Twenty-six years.
622
00:30:27,034 --> 00:30:28,327
- but he thinks it's this way,
- I remember a house
623
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:30,037
-but it's been 26 years.
-and a hill.
624
00:30:30,203 --> 00:30:32,581
Is this looking
familiar? There's a house up there.
625
00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:34,875
But if it's close to a house,
626
00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:36,918
then it's gotta be further down this way,
627
00:30:37,002 --> 00:30:38,754
unless the house is gone.
628
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:40,922
- I think the house is gone.
- You do?
629
00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:42,132
- Yeah.
- There used to be
630
00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:43,425
trees on this side.
631
00:30:44,051 --> 00:30:46,136
There used to be grass, trees
632
00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:48,263
- Mm-hmm.
- and a pasture. Big pasture.
633
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,223
- I mean, I could...
- Very big.
634
00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:51,808
More or less around here.
635
00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:53,644
Tell him to stop here.
636
00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:55,437
- He's asking you to stop.
- I'm thinking it's right here.
637
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,856
- Stop?
- That's it. Please. I'm going out.
638
00:30:57,939 --> 00:30:59,107
- Alright, let's go.
- Okay.
639
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,632
That grass was here.
640
00:31:24,508 --> 00:31:27,177
-That grass was around here.
-Aquela mata,
what does that mean?
641
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:30,222
Yeah, uh, like, a big grass,
it was around here.
642
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,224
- Okay.
- There was a small pasture
643
00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:33,433
around here.
644
00:31:35,352 --> 00:31:36,728
Let me go see that tree over there.
645
00:31:36,853 --> 00:31:38,939
- He wants to go there.
- Okay, okay.
646
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,243
Something here...
647
00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,831
There was a house here.
648
00:31:56,206 --> 00:31:57,290
An house.
649
00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:59,751
A white house.
650
00:31:59,835 --> 00:32:01,336
So it was a white house,
651
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:02,629
and it was a small house.
652
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,297
-Yeah, it was a small house,
-So--
653
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,967
-and, uh, the grass was burned.
-So--
654
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:08,218
The grass was burned.
655
00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:09,511
Why was the grass burned?
656
00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:11,596
- Why?
- Because it was a chemical substance,
657
00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:13,181
like acid.
658
00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:14,391
By the object?
659
00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:15,642
By the object, by the object.
660
00:32:15,726 --> 00:32:17,561
Because it was a big circle,
661
00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:22,023
more or less 40 meters
in diameter, burned.
662
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:24,693
And the house was around here.
663
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,611
- So is the house gone?
- It was around here.
664
00:32:26,695 --> 00:32:27,696
So the house is gone?
665
00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:30,449
Yes, as if it were there.
666
00:32:32,826 --> 00:32:34,703
- It's hard to find, because
- He doesn't...
667
00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:37,748
- the only reference I had is gone.
- Everything's different.
668
00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:39,124
Taken away.
669
00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:44,045
I mean, it could
be here or it could be there.
670
00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:46,214
Could it be here or there?
671
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:47,466
Or there.
672
00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:49,509
We walk...
673
00:32:49,676 --> 00:32:50,969
over to there and look...
674
00:32:51,678 --> 00:32:52,846
If it's close to the road,
675
00:32:52,929 --> 00:32:54,514
it only can be in a couple places.
676
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:58,143
Does he wanna walk up closer?
677
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:02,147
He said the house was close
to where the crash was.
678
00:33:02,439 --> 00:33:03,899
- Yeah.
- 200 meters.
679
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:05,484
- Yeah, it's like, uh--
- 600 feet.
680
00:33:05,567 --> 00:33:06,568
It's the Maiolini--
681
00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:08,653
Uh, Maiolini house--
682
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:10,822
Family. Maiolini family.
683
00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:12,657
Well, I-- I say we--
684
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:15,118
I say we take a closer look,
I mean...
685
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:16,453
Yeah.
686
00:33:16,536 --> 00:33:17,954
You know?
687
00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:19,122
But, it's not...
688
00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:20,373
Yeah, we gotta do it, man.
689
00:33:20,457 --> 00:33:21,583
We gotta find this spot.
690
00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:25,670
There's a lot of trees.
691
00:33:25,754 --> 00:33:27,005
Is there a house down there?
692
00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:28,256
Yeah, there's a house--
693
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:29,925
- Right down through these trees?
- Right--
694
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,009
Yeah.
695
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:33,845
Well, let's get
closer to there, then.
696
00:33:34,221 --> 00:33:36,056
- It was a small house.
- Let's drive down the road.
697
00:33:36,473 --> 00:33:37,933
Let's drive down and get closer.
698
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:39,434
There's a house.
699
00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:40,936
This is a-- a field--
700
00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:42,687
Yes, yes, yes.
701
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:44,105
Yes-- Mmm.
702
00:33:45,273 --> 00:33:46,525
Here.
703
00:33:47,234 --> 00:33:48,235
Here!
704
00:33:48,902 --> 00:33:49,903
Here.
705
00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:50,987
Here.
706
00:33:51,071 --> 00:33:52,239
- Here.
- Here, here.
707
00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:54,825
- Here. Let's go!
- Here, here. It was here.
708
00:33:59,454 --> 00:34:00,997
It was here!
709
00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:02,791
Here.
710
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:04,835
Here, here.
711
00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:06,127
Wow!
712
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,673
- Here.
- This is it.
713
00:34:12,217 --> 00:34:14,052
Here.
714
00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:17,222
Here.
715
00:34:18,306 --> 00:34:19,307
Wow!
716
00:34:19,558 --> 00:34:20,559
It was here!
717
00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:23,478
Here. That tree wasn't there.
718
00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:26,022
You could see the house over there.
719
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:27,315
Here.
720
00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:29,651
It came, crashed,
721
00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:32,696
rebounded, spread out.
722
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:35,073
Spread out.
723
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,492
Here.
724
00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:39,202
Here.
725
00:35:06,479 --> 00:35:07,898
It was here. Here.
726
00:35:09,399 --> 00:35:10,400
Here.
727
00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:26,249
That fence was close to the house.
728
00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:44,434
Here is where it crashed.
729
00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:47,187
This is the spot.
730
00:35:57,656 --> 00:35:59,199
Beings died here.
731
00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:13,964
Was this object big enough
732
00:36:14,756 --> 00:36:17,676
to have potentially beings inside?
733
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:21,304
Yes, it was about
the size of a school bus.
734
00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:22,597
A little bigger.
735
00:36:22,806 --> 00:36:23,807
A...
736
00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:26,351
A school bus, school bus.
737
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:28,812
A little bigger, just a little.
738
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:33,191
According to Mr. Sousa,
739
00:36:33,441 --> 00:36:37,862
this area was covered with
debris from the UFO crash.
740
00:37:04,973 --> 00:37:09,728
This is his first time at
the crash site since 1996.
741
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,023
When I arrived at the site,
742
00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:15,567
on this very spot,
743
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:20,238
uh, I observed a lot of debris, pieces.
744
00:37:20,947 --> 00:37:23,033
And when I got out of the car,
745
00:37:23,116 --> 00:37:26,286
I immediately smelled ammonia,
746
00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:27,829
like rotten eggs.
747
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:30,081
A very strong smell,
748
00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:32,083
so strong that I had to cover my nose
749
00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:34,252
with the shirt I was wearing.
750
00:37:35,128 --> 00:37:37,881
My eyes got watery.
751
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,467
The first thing I noticed
was that it was something
752
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:42,969
very different from what I expected,
753
00:37:43,053 --> 00:37:44,387
what I was expecting.
754
00:37:44,888 --> 00:37:46,181
First, due to the smell.
755
00:37:47,057 --> 00:37:49,392
That smell made no sense.
756
00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:54,773
And I saw a piece,
it looked like it was aluminum,
757
00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:57,734
that foil you wrap chicken for roasting.
758
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:00,236
I took a sheet.
759
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,363
I took a small piece, it was very light.
760
00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:03,448
Crumpled it,
761
00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:04,741
but when I released it,
762
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,367
it went back to its original shape.
763
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:13,249
So he gets out of
the car, he sees the piece, right?
764
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,668
- Yeah.
- He picks the piece up, he folds it--
765
00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:18,171
He said it was really light and
it was shaped kind of like this.
766
00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:20,298
-Yeah.
-And then he picks it up, and he fo--
767
00:38:20,381 --> 00:38:22,383
folded it in and it opens itself up
768
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:23,760
and it was really light,
769
00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:25,178
-like aluminum.
-Yes.
770
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:29,224
At what point d-- did the
military come to him, a--
771
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,017
-right after that happened?
-Yes.
772
00:38:31,101 --> 00:38:33,019
The military came
from this way and arrived?
773
00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:34,229
Yeah, uh...
774
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:36,106
Carlos de Sousa came from here
775
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:37,982
and the trucks came from that side.
776
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:39,150
-Okay
-You know?
777
00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:41,694
Within minutes, trucks from
778
00:38:41,778 --> 00:38:45,031
the military base ESA arrive on the scene.
779
00:38:45,532 --> 00:38:46,658
-Vai, vai.
-Yeah.
780
00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:48,993
- Go away? What--
-Yeah. "Go away, go away."
781
00:38:49,077 --> 00:38:50,662
-Vai embora?
-I think s-- I think some guy--
782
00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:52,831
Go away, go away, go away, go away!
783
00:38:52,914 --> 00:38:54,582
Pushing. "Go away!"
784
00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:56,084
No, but... Then...
785
00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:00,046
Go away! I told you to leave!
786
00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:01,381
I told you to leave.
787
00:39:01,756 --> 00:39:03,424
I'm ordering you to leave."
788
00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:06,427
- What does embora mean?
- "Go away".
789
00:39:06,553 --> 00:39:07,804
- Go away?
- Go away, go away.
790
00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:09,556
- Go away.
- And I'm ordering...
791
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:10,807
- I'm ordering you?
- Yeah.
792
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:12,392
- I'm ordering you to go away.
- Yeah.
793
00:39:12,475 --> 00:39:14,060
- So then he pulled his gun out,
- Yes.
794
00:39:14,144 --> 00:39:15,395
-Yeah.
-and he said, "I'm ordering you
795
00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:18,523
-to go away."
-"Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay."
796
00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,066
Right here.
797
00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,694
-Wow.
-"Okay, okay, okay."
798
00:39:23,236 --> 00:39:24,779
I got in the car and left.
799
00:39:26,281 --> 00:39:29,450
After giving this
interview shortly after the incident...
800
00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:31,202
"Go away, go away, go away."
801
00:39:31,286 --> 00:39:35,039
...Carlos de Sousa vanishes for 26 years.
802
00:39:44,299 --> 00:39:45,884
Mark it.
803
00:39:47,177 --> 00:39:48,178
Okay.
804
00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:49,512
Can we just walk to
805
00:39:49,596 --> 00:39:51,014
exactly where this took place?
806
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,475
Seven days after
Sousa witnessed the crash,
807
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:58,897
Ruber Ladeira leaves this gym
when he and several friends
808
00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:01,816
see two military trucks driving into town.
809
00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,030
They follow them through
the neighborhood
810
00:40:07,363 --> 00:40:10,033
and come upon a military blockade.
811
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:13,328
More or less, they made a line here.
812
00:40:14,162 --> 00:40:15,663
I can't say precisely,
813
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:18,416
but there were four or five soldiers here,
814
00:40:18,833 --> 00:40:21,669
and another soldier
on the other side of the truck.
815
00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:24,547
All positioned with their rifles
pointed down.
816
00:40:26,382 --> 00:40:28,134
One of the people in his group said,
817
00:40:28,218 --> 00:40:30,345
"This is a free country and I'm
w-- and I'm going through."
818
00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:32,513
- It was him. Yeah.
- It was him? So--
819
00:40:32,597 --> 00:40:34,557
I said I had the right to come and go,
820
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:37,227
the constitutional right to come and go.
821
00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,395
So he said,
"Hey, this is a free country.
822
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,272
I'll do what I want."
And then what happens?
823
00:40:43,191 --> 00:40:48,696
All they did was shake their heads' no.
824
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:50,865
They didn't say anything.
825
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:53,660
When we tried to force our way through,
826
00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:56,996
they raised their rifles.
827
00:40:57,497 --> 00:41:00,833
Was it scary?
Were you guys afraid that day?
828
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:06,130
I only felt fear when
they raised their guns.
829
00:41:06,214 --> 00:41:08,174
Because, I've never seen a gun...
830
00:41:09,175 --> 00:41:10,260
...so big.
831
00:41:10,343 --> 00:41:14,013
And I've never had
someone point a gun at me.
832
00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:16,683
It was the only time I was afraid.
833
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,814
Uh, never before have I ever seen
834
00:41:22,897 --> 00:41:25,566
an army truck in Varginha.
835
00:41:29,696 --> 00:41:31,614
The team headed
to meet with one of the lead
836
00:41:31,698 --> 00:41:33,825
reporters at TV Princesa,
837
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:37,245
who had set out
to cover the story at the time.
838
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,999
Absolutely.
839
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:44,585
Describe what happened back in 1996,
840
00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:46,170
what you witnessed, what you saw.
841
00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:50,258
I witnessed... the weather...
842
00:41:51,134 --> 00:41:53,886
...close in like there was a huge storm.
843
00:41:54,304 --> 00:41:56,472
I looked out the window,
844
00:41:56,764 --> 00:41:58,933
"Wow! Night fell suddenly."
845
00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:03,062
At that moment,
the news started coming in.
846
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:04,439
Some girls had a sighting.
847
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:05,606
They saw a creature
848
00:42:06,274 --> 00:42:09,110
near Marc's gymnasium.
849
00:42:09,736 --> 00:42:12,530
I know the city well.
850
00:42:12,613 --> 00:42:15,992
I had a little Volkswagen Beetle,
I decided to go check it out.
851
00:42:16,576 --> 00:42:18,578
But when we arrived,
852
00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:20,955
there were Army trucks,
853
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,541
and they said I couldn't pass by here.
854
00:42:24,625 --> 00:42:26,377
I asked why.
855
00:42:26,461 --> 00:42:28,921
This is an issue of national security.
856
00:42:29,047 --> 00:42:31,007
Oh no, I just want to go down to see...
857
00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:34,218
No. You cannot pass,
it's a matter of National Security.
858
00:42:34,886 --> 00:42:36,387
For us, it didn't make sense,
859
00:42:36,471 --> 00:42:38,222
or, in fact, it did make sense,
860
00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:41,100
for us at the time,
861
00:42:41,184 --> 00:42:42,477
we were convinced,
862
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,522
there was a cover-up in process.
863
00:42:49,484 --> 00:42:51,277
There's another part,
864
00:42:51,444 --> 00:42:53,446
when the interviews happened.
865
00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:55,990
Euclides and Calado,
866
00:42:56,657 --> 00:42:58,284
two of our boys here,
867
00:42:58,451 --> 00:43:01,537
went to ESA in Tres Coraçoes.
868
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:05,917
They managed to ask one question,
869
00:43:06,417 --> 00:43:09,045
then the sergeant went inside, came back.
870
00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:10,171
When he came back,
871
00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:12,882
Look, won't you say anything
about the case?
872
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:15,510
If you ask one more question,
you'll be arrested.
873
00:43:17,345 --> 00:43:18,471
From ESA.
874
00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:20,139
From ESA.
875
00:43:20,306 --> 00:43:22,266
- So--
- Euclides and Calado.
876
00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:24,685
So, is he saying that the
military shut down the press?
877
00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:25,812
- Yes.
- Successfully.
878
00:43:25,895 --> 00:43:27,271
-Yes.
-They don't have a free press.
879
00:43:27,397 --> 00:43:29,107
-And they say--
- They don't have a free press?
880
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:30,817
No. If they-- They say
881
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,611
if they would've go,
like, investigate further,
882
00:43:34,404 --> 00:43:37,031
they probably would've put them in jail.
883
00:43:39,826 --> 00:43:41,411
We are journalists.
884
00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:44,914
We were conducting
investigations on this case
885
00:43:44,997 --> 00:43:48,543
at the ESA headquarters.
886
00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:51,879
And never have I ever
received an arrest warrant
887
00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:53,464
for doing my job.
888
00:43:53,548 --> 00:43:54,549
Not ever before,
889
00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:56,050
or after this case.
890
00:43:58,553 --> 00:44:01,514
Just around
the corner from the military blockade,
891
00:44:01,889 --> 00:44:05,685
three young girls had
an encounter of the third kind.
892
00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:12,733
The sisters, Valquiria, 14 and Liliane, 16
893
00:44:12,817 --> 00:44:14,485
are very scared.
894
00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,780
This is the first time
they've visited the site
895
00:44:17,864 --> 00:44:20,408
since Saturday, January 20th.
896
00:44:21,117 --> 00:44:24,787
That weird round thing,
it was super weird.
897
00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:28,875
There was something
like horns on its head.
898
00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:31,461
He had brown skin
899
00:44:31,544 --> 00:44:33,588
that looked like...
900
00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:35,548
- Oil.
- ...he put oil on his body.
901
00:44:36,007 --> 00:44:39,427
He had big feet. And very wide, red eyes.
902
00:44:39,844 --> 00:44:41,304
My name is Liliane Silva.
903
00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:45,433
In 1996, I saw a strange creature there.
904
00:44:46,642 --> 00:44:48,352
My name is Valquíria Silva.
905
00:44:48,436 --> 00:44:51,606
In 1996, I saw a strange creature there.
906
00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:53,566
My name is Kátia Xavier.
907
00:44:53,649 --> 00:44:57,820
In 1996, I saw a strange creature there.
908
00:45:00,656 --> 00:45:02,450
Tell us--
walk us through what happened.
909
00:45:03,743 --> 00:45:05,870
What did you see?
Where did you see it?
910
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,915
We were walking down along here.
911
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:11,459
I was in front,
and they were a little farther back.
912
00:45:14,045 --> 00:45:15,671
Passing by here,
913
00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:19,091
the graffiti caught my attention.
914
00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:23,804
I looked...
915
00:45:24,889 --> 00:45:26,224
...and I saw the creature.
916
00:45:27,683 --> 00:45:28,976
Actually, when Liliane screamed,
917
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:31,729
and I looked at it, I was afraid.
918
00:45:37,527 --> 00:45:39,237
So, I looked in its eyes
919
00:45:40,029 --> 00:45:41,781
and saw that it was frightened.
920
00:45:42,615 --> 00:45:44,033
Just as I was frightened,
921
00:45:44,116 --> 00:45:45,785
the creature was also frightened.
922
00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:49,747
Because what I saw
stopped me in my tracks,
923
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,832
it glued me to that spot.
924
00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:55,127
But I saw that it was scared of us.
925
00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:58,339
So, it was an exchange of fears,
926
00:45:58,422 --> 00:46:00,091
its and ours.
927
00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:02,301
It had red eyes,
928
00:46:02,385 --> 00:46:03,761
oily skin...
929
00:46:03,844 --> 00:46:06,430
I couldn't see an open mouth, smiling, no.
930
00:46:06,514 --> 00:46:07,723
Not happy. Sad.
931
00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:08,891
Shrunken back.
932
00:46:08,975 --> 00:46:10,268
A sad expression.
933
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:12,937
And it didn't have hair.
934
00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:15,773
1996.
935
00:46:15,982 --> 00:46:18,025
Based on the girl's testimony,
936
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:21,779
artist Bete Rodrigues
creates this drawing.
937
00:46:29,203 --> 00:46:30,997
What I find makes their story so credible
938
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,456
is that there were three of them.
939
00:46:32,832 --> 00:46:36,252
I-- I wanna hear from Valquíria,
because she was the youngest.
940
00:46:36,502 --> 00:46:38,004
What were her thoughts at the time?
941
00:46:38,087 --> 00:46:39,797
Was she scared? Did you run?
942
00:46:40,131 --> 00:46:41,882
Like, put me there.
943
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,348
It was a creature,
there in the corner...
944
00:46:49,473 --> 00:46:51,017
cowering and afraid.
945
00:46:58,399 --> 00:47:01,694
Afraid of us,
just as we were afraid of it.
946
00:47:02,194 --> 00:47:04,739
This being that's unknown to us.
947
00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:11,787
These eyes,
compared to my eyes, how much bigger?
948
00:47:12,163 --> 00:47:14,290
Three times bigger than ours.
949
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:16,125
- Three times bigger.
- Three--
950
00:47:16,208 --> 00:47:18,002
-Three times bigger.
- Quite big and red.
951
00:47:18,502 --> 00:47:20,171
Red like...
952
00:47:20,254 --> 00:47:21,631
Not blood-red.
953
00:47:22,214 --> 00:47:24,091
I wanna walk over, by the wall,
954
00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:25,217
and I want you to tell me
955
00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:27,470
where exactly the creature was.
956
00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:29,347
The creature was there.
957
00:47:29,472 --> 00:47:30,473
Wow!
958
00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:31,974
And we passed right here.
959
00:47:32,433 --> 00:47:33,434
Pretty close.
960
00:47:33,684 --> 00:47:34,727
Then I screamed,
961
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:36,854
took off running,
962
00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:38,105
and the two of them came.
963
00:47:38,439 --> 00:47:41,609
I didn't realize--
That's closer than I expected.
964
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:43,736
I mean, it's like eight feet away?
965
00:47:44,403 --> 00:47:46,030
They were eight feet away
from this creature,
966
00:47:46,113 --> 00:47:48,491
broad daylight,
it was 3:30 in the afternoon,
967
00:47:48,574 --> 00:47:50,451
this is the exact location.
968
00:47:50,826 --> 00:47:53,704
When she made
eye contact with this creature.
969
00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:56,540
Was there a moment
of any kind of communication?
970
00:47:56,666 --> 00:47:58,459
Did she feel anything at all?
971
00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:00,127
I sensed it was overheating.
972
00:48:00,211 --> 00:48:01,837
Sweating a lot.
973
00:48:01,921 --> 00:48:02,963
It was very hot.
974
00:48:03,756 --> 00:48:06,676
And it gave the impression that it was...
975
00:48:07,468 --> 00:48:10,346
...uh, suffering from the heat, hot sun.
976
00:48:10,429 --> 00:48:11,430
Its skin...
977
00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:13,683
When I said, "Guys, look at that!"
978
00:48:13,808 --> 00:48:16,060
Then it turned around. I saw the eyes
979
00:48:16,143 --> 00:48:17,478
and took off running.
980
00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,188
So, when it turned around,
981
00:48:19,271 --> 00:48:20,523
we only saw the eyes,
982
00:48:20,606 --> 00:48:23,234
and what looked like a slit.
983
00:48:23,317 --> 00:48:26,237
But we couldn't see
a normal mouth, like ours.
984
00:48:26,821 --> 00:48:29,198
Okay, so this is, uh, Valquíria,
985
00:48:29,824 --> 00:48:31,242
- this is Kátia.
- Yes.
986
00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:32,743
And this is Liliane.
987
00:48:33,244 --> 00:48:35,121
You can see the-- the eyes.
988
00:48:35,204 --> 00:48:37,123
They didn't draw a nose,
they didn't draw a mouth,
989
00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:38,582
it was all about the eyes.
990
00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:41,711
The first thing that caught my attention,
991
00:48:41,794 --> 00:48:43,587
right away, were its eyes.
992
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:47,091
Because they were very big,
not human-sized,
993
00:48:47,717 --> 00:48:49,218
or human-shaped.
994
00:48:49,844 --> 00:48:52,346
I wanna understand,
uh, first of all,
995
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:54,598
the moment of contact with the eye--
996
00:48:54,682 --> 00:48:56,350
with the eyes, meeting the eyes,
997
00:48:56,434 --> 00:48:58,769
I-- I really wanna be there,
I wanna feel it.
998
00:48:59,019 --> 00:49:01,522
When they locked eyes with this being,
999
00:49:01,814 --> 00:49:02,857
what were they thinking?
1000
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,775
What we saw wasn't human.
1001
00:49:04,859 --> 00:49:07,611
It wasn't an animal, either.
1002
00:49:08,195 --> 00:49:11,657
Nowadays, I do think
1003
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,702
it was a being from another planet.
1004
00:49:17,413 --> 00:49:20,416
It wasn't a man, it wasn't an animal.
1005
00:49:20,499 --> 00:49:23,002
Now, what it was, I can't say.
1006
00:49:24,128 --> 00:49:26,630
I can't describe it.
1007
00:49:26,714 --> 00:49:28,632
They all ran out of here, quickly.
1008
00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:30,342
So, they were scared--
1009
00:49:30,426 --> 00:49:32,428
were they scared because
they felt threatened,
1010
00:49:32,511 --> 00:49:34,722
or were they scared because
they just simply didn't know
1011
00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:35,806
what they were looking at?
1012
00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:38,976
I remember when we made our way down,
1013
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:41,729
completely terrified, scared, running,
1014
00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:44,398
we stopped down there, right?
1015
00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,275
The three of us stopped and were like,
1016
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,152
Guys, what happened? What did you see?
1017
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:51,238
Wow, so the three of us
saw the same thing.
1018
00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:53,073
Then we ran
1019
00:49:53,157 --> 00:49:55,159
until we arrived at my mother's house.
1020
00:49:56,076 --> 00:49:59,121
The girls, I came out to meet the girls
1021
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:02,249
because mothers have a sixth sense.
1022
00:50:03,167 --> 00:50:07,296
Then I saw Kátia almost carrying this one,
1023
00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:10,090
or vice versa, I don't know.
1024
00:50:10,341 --> 00:50:12,593
I saw they were very nervous,
1025
00:50:12,676 --> 00:50:14,845
walking slowly,
and dragging each other along.
1026
00:50:15,346 --> 00:50:20,184
At the time,
we were children of Catholics,
1027
00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:23,187
so it could be a demon.
1028
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:26,232
That's why we were scared at the time.
1029
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:29,443
So the three girls run to her house,
1030
00:50:29,985 --> 00:50:31,987
and they say, "We saw this creature,
1031
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:34,865
it might have been the devil,"
or whatever it was.
1032
00:50:35,324 --> 00:50:38,911
And they-- Do they-- Do they
get in the car and drive here?
1033
00:50:38,994 --> 00:50:40,788
Do they walk here? How did they get here?
1034
00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:42,206
And what did they see when they got here?
1035
00:50:42,289 --> 00:50:44,124
Then she said,
"Let's take the truck there."
1036
00:50:44,291 --> 00:50:45,501
And I said, I'm not going.
1037
00:50:45,584 --> 00:50:46,836
I'm scared. I'm not going back.
1038
00:50:46,919 --> 00:50:49,255
Luiza went, "Please, go there with me."
1039
00:50:49,338 --> 00:50:52,007
Then I got in the truck and came back,
we parked the truck here.
1040
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,301
And then there, on that spot,
1041
00:50:54,385 --> 00:50:57,012
I saw the creature's footprint.
1042
00:50:57,429 --> 00:50:58,889
I'll never forget it,
1043
00:50:58,973 --> 00:51:00,057
by this sun.
1044
00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:03,602
Only three fingertips.
1045
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:06,897
A footprint like this. It was loose
1046
00:51:06,981 --> 00:51:08,566
red dirt,
1047
00:51:08,691 --> 00:51:10,568
so it was like this.
1048
00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:13,821
Can she draw the footprint,
the shape of the footprint?
1049
00:51:15,865 --> 00:51:16,866
Here.
1050
00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:21,829
James wants you
to draw it exactly as it was.
1051
00:51:21,912 --> 00:51:23,330
- Yeah.
- I only saw the trail left
1052
00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:24,415
by its foot.
1053
00:51:24,498 --> 00:51:25,916
I didn't see anything else.
1054
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,918
It was like this.
1055
00:51:29,128 --> 00:51:31,046
I'm shaking.
1056
00:51:31,630 --> 00:51:33,549
- She's shaking.
- Look, one finger,
1057
00:51:34,258 --> 00:51:36,176
another long finger,
1058
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:39,221
and another finger like this.
1059
00:51:39,305 --> 00:51:42,558
This was what I saw on the soil there.
1060
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:44,768
I couldn't stand the smell,
1061
00:51:44,852 --> 00:51:46,312
right here in the nose.
1062
00:51:46,854 --> 00:51:48,522
For about twenty days.
1063
00:51:49,231 --> 00:51:51,984
I don't know where that smell came from.
1064
00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:55,195
I even washed my nose
with alcohol and water
1065
00:51:55,279 --> 00:51:57,114
to get that smell out.
1066
00:51:57,281 --> 00:51:59,825
-That strong smell of...
-Ammonia.
1067
00:51:59,909 --> 00:52:03,120
No! It wasn't ammonia. It wasn't...
1068
00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:06,206
It smelled worse than sulfur.
1069
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:08,751
- I don't know, to me, it was ammonia.
- A strong smell.
1070
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:11,295
What a strange smell. Let's go.
1071
00:52:11,378 --> 00:52:13,756
Then I grabbed her like this and said,
"Let's go!"
1072
00:52:15,925 --> 00:52:17,927
Hours before the girls' encounter,
1073
00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:20,804
the fire brigade captured a being.
1074
00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:24,266
This capture was thoroughly investigated
1075
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:27,519
by leading Brazilian researcher and lawyer
1076
00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:29,980
Ubirajara Rodrigues.
1077
00:52:30,439 --> 00:52:32,483
The lawyer
and professor Ubirajara Rodrigues,
1078
00:52:32,566 --> 00:52:34,276
who is also a ufologist,
1079
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,111
said on TV that they found evidence
1080
00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:38,489
that the story is authentic.
1081
00:52:39,448 --> 00:52:42,409
The fire department
was dispatched to this location
1082
00:52:42,493 --> 00:52:46,205
after receiving several calls
from concerned residents
1083
00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:49,416
who reported seeing
something strange in the area.
1084
00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:51,251
It went into the woods.
1085
00:52:51,335 --> 00:52:52,920
Then the firemen arrived,
1086
00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:55,839
dispersing... the people.
1087
00:52:56,298 --> 00:52:58,258
They descended, the firemen,
1088
00:52:58,342 --> 00:53:00,135
and some others stayed here.
1089
00:53:00,219 --> 00:53:01,679
They captured it with a net.
1090
00:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,389
Because you know in Brazil,
1091
00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:05,265
when you have this kind of problem,
1092
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:06,517
like being stung by wasps,
1093
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,143
- or a venomous animal, or a mad dog,
- Yes.
1094
00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:09,478
- the firemen are called.
- The firemen are called.
1095
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:10,813
The firemen
1096
00:53:10,896 --> 00:53:14,441
didn't know what to do when they got here.
1097
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:17,653
We went out looking for other witnesses,
1098
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:19,530
and we were satisfied.
1099
00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:21,907
When we were there on the slab,
the firemen came,
1100
00:53:22,366 --> 00:53:24,243
and soon after, they told us
1101
00:53:24,326 --> 00:53:26,954
they caught an animal in the forest.
1102
00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:29,748
Did they think it was something strange?
1103
00:53:29,873 --> 00:53:31,083
What comments did they have?
1104
00:53:31,166 --> 00:53:33,585
No, they said the animal they caught
1105
00:53:33,669 --> 00:53:34,920
cried like a child.
1106
00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:38,924
There were two captures.
1107
00:53:39,008 --> 00:53:41,802
The first was by firemen, in the morning.
1108
00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:44,722
Another by the military police
1109
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:46,223
in the afternoon.
1110
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:54,982
My name is Pedro Luiz Aguiar.
1111
00:53:55,899 --> 00:53:57,818
I was the Chief of Police
1112
00:53:58,569 --> 00:54:01,196
in Tres Coraçoes
1113
00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:04,616
in 1996.
1114
00:54:05,075 --> 00:54:07,244
I went to the site where
1115
00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:09,121
the creatures,
1116
00:54:09,455 --> 00:54:11,999
or creature was captured.
1117
00:54:14,001 --> 00:54:15,085
How many were alive?
1118
00:54:15,169 --> 00:54:16,170
How many dead?
1119
00:54:17,129 --> 00:54:19,798
Look, they were talking two,
1120
00:54:21,008 --> 00:54:22,843
two, one dead and one alive.
1121
00:54:23,469 --> 00:54:26,096
What I heard was that there were two,
1122
00:54:26,221 --> 00:54:27,639
one dead and one alive,
1123
00:54:27,723 --> 00:54:30,059
and a third that went missing.
1124
00:54:30,434 --> 00:54:34,438
What does it feel like
knowing what you know?
1125
00:54:35,355 --> 00:54:36,523
It's history!
1126
00:54:36,607 --> 00:54:38,025
Not a story!
1127
00:54:38,108 --> 00:54:39,860
Because I saw it.
1128
00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:43,447
Why are you talking about it now?
1129
00:54:44,031 --> 00:54:46,200
Because I trust your work...
1130
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,329
You're investigating something
that I participated in.
1131
00:54:52,915 --> 00:54:55,751
That's the exact
location where the girls saw the creature,
1132
00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:58,337
right through that wall where we
filmed already with the girls.
1133
00:54:58,796 --> 00:55:00,255
I didn't realize that Marco Chereze,
1134
00:55:00,339 --> 00:55:02,091
the military officer who allegedly
1135
00:55:02,174 --> 00:55:04,718
captured the creature with his bare hands,
1136
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,386
did it right over here.
1137
00:55:08,722 --> 00:55:10,808
Roughly three hours after the girls
1138
00:55:10,891 --> 00:55:12,810
witnessed the strange creature,
1139
00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:14,853
military police officers,
1140
00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:17,606
Eric Lopes and Marco Chereze
1141
00:55:17,773 --> 00:55:21,777
drive down this road on the
lookout for something unusual
1142
00:55:22,528 --> 00:55:25,864
when suddenly it runs
right across their path.
1143
00:55:27,616 --> 00:55:29,660
The officers got out of the car.
1144
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:33,789
Primarily, Marco Chereze took action.
1145
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,667
He grabbed the creature, restrained it.
1146
00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:44,133
It was captured
by Marco Eli Chereze
1147
00:55:44,216 --> 00:55:45,717
with his-- with his bare hands,
1148
00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:48,053
easily, and taken to the hospital.
1149
00:55:52,808 --> 00:55:55,561
Apart from second-hand rumors
of what took place
1150
00:55:55,644 --> 00:55:58,897
inside the hospital made
by anonymous sources,
1151
00:55:59,398 --> 00:56:02,901
little is known about what
happened to the alleged alien.
1152
00:56:03,527 --> 00:56:06,363
The driver, Eric Lopes, has been in hiding
1153
00:56:06,613 --> 00:56:10,450
and the officer who handled
the live being, Marco Chereze,
1154
00:56:10,659 --> 00:56:12,536
died a couple of weeks later.
1155
00:56:13,787 --> 00:56:15,414
After he captured the creature,
1156
00:56:15,998 --> 00:56:20,669
he was smelling the creature
in his body and in his clothes
1157
00:56:21,628 --> 00:56:25,549
because he had this strange
feeling of something greasy,
1158
00:56:25,632 --> 00:56:29,469
sticky over his body that
came from the creature.
1159
00:56:32,139 --> 00:56:34,183
He-- He developed this-- this infection...
1160
00:56:35,225 --> 00:56:36,852
...that wouldn't go away.
1161
00:56:37,853 --> 00:56:40,147
And for two or three weeks
1162
00:56:40,355 --> 00:56:44,193
it was getting worse
and worse and worse.
1163
00:56:44,818 --> 00:56:48,530
And it looks like that his
immunity system was shut down.
1164
00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,617
These, uh, were the words
1165
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:54,161
used by one
of the doctors who treated him,
1166
00:56:54,536 --> 00:57:00,125
who said that he never saw in
his whole medical career
1167
00:57:00,209 --> 00:57:01,793
anything like that.
1168
00:57:06,256 --> 00:57:08,508
And that infection killed him.
1169
00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:13,513
Good afternoon, uh,
1170
00:57:13,597 --> 00:57:15,933
my name is Cesário Furtado, MD,
1171
00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:18,268
an intensive care cardiologist.
1172
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:21,605
I've been working
in the city for 45 years.
1173
00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:26,443
Uh, in 1996,
1174
00:57:26,652 --> 00:57:28,403
I was here
1175
00:57:28,695 --> 00:57:30,572
when the event,
1176
00:57:30,989 --> 00:57:32,407
the appearance
1177
00:57:32,491 --> 00:57:35,035
of extraterrestrial beings,
occurred in the city.
1178
00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:39,748
I had to attend to
1179
00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:43,335
Marco Chereze,
who was the military officer,
1180
00:57:43,669 --> 00:57:45,128
people say,
1181
00:57:45,212 --> 00:57:47,422
who was involved in the case at the time.
1182
00:57:48,006 --> 00:57:49,341
And we
1183
00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:53,178
took him to the intensive care,
and did all the treatments.
1184
00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:55,389
And he passed away,
1185
00:57:55,931 --> 00:57:58,684
from an undetermined cause.
1186
00:57:59,059 --> 00:58:01,728
A case unknown at the time,
1187
00:58:01,812 --> 00:58:02,854
by us doctors.
1188
00:58:09,361 --> 00:58:12,322
All the witnesses that claim
1189
00:58:13,073 --> 00:58:14,908
that Marco Chereze handled
1190
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,035
a creature, a strange creature,
1191
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:18,829
it doesn't have to be from another world,
1192
00:58:18,912 --> 00:58:22,374
it was a strange creature,
he gets some unknown infection,
1193
00:58:22,457 --> 00:58:25,377
you did everything you
could to save him and he died.
1194
00:58:25,877 --> 00:58:29,131
Do you believe that there's
some credibility to that story?
1195
00:58:29,881 --> 00:58:32,092
Yes, it's a credible story.
1196
00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,886
He exposed this...
1197
00:58:36,179 --> 00:58:38,181
...uh, to reveal what happened
1198
00:58:38,807 --> 00:58:43,520
to try to help himself to save his life.
1199
00:58:43,603 --> 00:58:46,064
Because he felt he was dying.
1200
00:58:46,356 --> 00:58:48,650
And, according to his sister,
1201
00:58:49,234 --> 00:58:50,819
he was restricted
1202
00:58:51,361 --> 00:58:53,196
from talking about it.
1203
00:58:53,697 --> 00:58:55,032
Marco Eli Chereze,
1204
00:58:55,115 --> 00:58:57,617
who was 23 years old,
worked for police intelligence.
1205
00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:00,162
The family only knows he was participating
1206
00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:01,747
in a secret operation.
1207
00:59:02,247 --> 00:59:05,542
Can you confirm
your brother was working on the 20th?
1208
00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:06,752
I confirm.
1209
00:59:07,794 --> 00:59:09,546
My name is Marta. Marta Tavares.
1210
00:59:09,629 --> 00:59:12,841
I am the sister of the military officer
who was involved in the E.T. case,
1211
00:59:13,133 --> 00:59:15,802
in January 1996.
1212
00:59:18,722 --> 00:59:20,557
When her brother falls ill,
1213
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:23,810
she asks about his involvement
with the case.
1214
00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:25,771
"Is this story of the creature,
1215
00:59:25,854 --> 00:59:27,314
this extraterrestrial,
1216
00:59:27,397 --> 00:59:28,732
is it true?"
1217
00:59:29,149 --> 00:59:30,525
His answer was,
1218
00:59:30,776 --> 00:59:34,404
"Look, this story will be a big deal."
1219
00:59:36,406 --> 00:59:39,618
In 2002, renowned UFO researcher
1220
00:59:39,701 --> 00:59:41,161
Dr. Roger Lear
1221
00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:44,373
traveled to Varginha
to investigate the case.
1222
00:59:44,956 --> 00:59:46,833
He conducted the only interview
1223
00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:49,669
with the deceased military officer's wife.
1224
00:59:49,753 --> 00:59:53,131
Uh, does she know if anyone
has seen a medical report?
1225
00:59:53,715 --> 00:59:55,842
Do you know anyone who's seen
1226
00:59:55,926 --> 00:59:57,052
the medical report?
1227
00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:59,638
No, after they delivered it...
1228
00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:02,140
first, they wanted money for it,
1229
01:00:02,224 --> 01:00:05,143
they took a long time,
and pages were missing.
1230
01:00:05,685 --> 01:00:07,604
Nobody knew how to explain anything.
1231
01:00:08,063 --> 01:00:11,566
I was always looking for an explanation,
but no explanation came, none.
1232
01:00:12,484 --> 01:00:14,736
She wants--
She searched for explanations...
1233
01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:16,863
After a protracted legal battle,
1234
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:19,991
the family finally received
the death certificate.
1235
01:00:20,117 --> 01:00:22,994
It was produced by IPD Laboratory,
1236
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,582
the Institute of Prevention
and Diagnostics in Varginha.
1237
01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,376
This exam here,
1238
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:34,297
uh, indicates the presence
of granular toxin,
1239
01:00:34,381 --> 01:00:37,175
it shows 8% of fine-grained neutrophils.
1240
01:00:37,384 --> 01:00:41,471
There was an unidentifiable substance.
1241
01:00:41,721 --> 01:00:45,642
And so, he died from a general infection,
1242
01:00:45,725 --> 01:00:48,061
but it was not a justifiable cause.
1243
01:00:49,271 --> 01:00:52,315
For the
first time ever, Dr. Joao Janini,
1244
01:00:52,399 --> 01:00:57,696
the founder of IPD Labs, agreed
to go on camera for our team.
1245
01:00:58,113 --> 01:01:02,576
I've done
over 50,000 autopsies in my lifetime,
1246
01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,911
and over a million microscopic studies.
1247
01:01:05,036 --> 01:01:06,955
I've never seen a case like this.
1248
01:01:07,247 --> 01:01:11,168
The legacy of the E.T. of Varginha
is the bacteria,
1249
01:01:11,251 --> 01:01:12,961
and we talk about the E.T. all the time
1250
01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:14,838
but never about the bacteria.
1251
01:01:14,921 --> 01:01:17,799
And this is what captures our attention.
1252
01:01:18,216 --> 01:01:20,427
Former Municipal Health Secretary
1253
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:22,596
and current forensic pathologist,
1254
01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:25,015
Dr. Armando Fortunato,
1255
01:01:25,307 --> 01:01:27,684
performed the microscopic autopsy
1256
01:01:27,767 --> 01:01:29,728
on Officer Marco Chereze.
1257
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:35,358
What caught the attention of the world
1258
01:01:35,442 --> 01:01:38,612
is the body of the E.T. in Varginha.
1259
01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:40,113
The E.T. or the extraterrestrial.
1260
01:01:40,238 --> 01:01:43,533
But I think the bacteria that was found
1261
01:01:43,617 --> 01:01:45,577
is a trace of him left behind.
1262
01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:47,329
There is life,
1263
01:01:47,412 --> 01:01:49,247
when he talks about biological
1264
01:01:49,331 --> 01:01:50,624
and biochemical evolution,
1265
01:01:50,707 --> 01:01:52,083
is a trace
1266
01:01:52,167 --> 01:01:54,920
-of biomolecular evolution.
-A tremendous resistance.
1267
01:01:55,003 --> 01:01:58,006
The bacterial resistance
in an extremely atypical case.
1268
01:01:58,215 --> 01:01:59,216
If he could...
1269
01:01:59,799 --> 01:02:03,720
...give me just 15, 20 seconds
on what he thinks happened.
1270
01:02:06,014 --> 01:02:10,602
From the information I gathered,
1271
01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:15,565
it was a scratch on Chereze's skin
1272
01:02:15,649 --> 01:02:17,067
made by the E.T.
1273
01:02:17,484 --> 01:02:21,196
I think he was a victim of
1274
01:02:21,279 --> 01:02:23,031
the nail of the E.T.
1275
01:02:25,575 --> 01:02:28,203
Why was it resistant?
1276
01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:32,832
What kind of biochemical advantage it had
1277
01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:38,046
to resist the antibiotics?
1278
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:40,048
Nothing could phase it,
1279
01:02:40,966 --> 01:02:42,467
it destroyed everything.
1280
01:02:42,801 --> 01:02:44,135
In one week.
1281
01:02:44,594 --> 01:02:46,596
Very, very atypical.
1282
01:02:47,889 --> 01:02:51,309
Was Marco Eli Chereze
the only person infected...
1283
01:02:52,561 --> 01:02:54,479
...who died? We don't know.
1284
01:02:55,272 --> 01:02:58,650
Were, uh, these two creatures
the only ones
1285
01:02:58,733 --> 01:03:01,194
that remained alive after the crash?
1286
01:03:01,278 --> 01:03:02,946
We don't know. We only have,
1287
01:03:03,488 --> 01:03:07,492
um, very detailed information
1288
01:03:07,576 --> 01:03:11,288
about the existence
and the capture of these two.
1289
01:03:11,371 --> 01:03:16,084
One capture in the morning
and one at evening of the same day,
1290
01:03:16,209 --> 01:03:17,919
January 20, 1986.
1291
01:03:19,754 --> 01:03:21,131
The only remaining witness
1292
01:03:21,214 --> 01:03:22,966
to the second capture that night
1293
01:03:23,341 --> 01:03:26,678
was the driver of the car, who's been MIA.
1294
01:03:29,222 --> 01:03:31,182
The commanding officer driving the car
1295
01:03:31,266 --> 01:03:32,517
was Corporal Lopes.
1296
01:03:34,436 --> 01:03:37,314
He's living proof of the fact
1297
01:03:37,397 --> 01:03:38,982
of what happened.
1298
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,694
He participated in the capture.
1299
01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:45,780
My brother was his subordinate.
1300
01:03:49,534 --> 01:03:51,411
Has anybody seen Eric Lopes?
1301
01:03:51,494 --> 01:03:53,580
Has anyone ever tried to talk to him?
1302
01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:55,790
Uh, people tried to, uh, reach him out.
1303
01:03:55,874 --> 01:03:57,125
-People have tried?
-Yeah.
1304
01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:58,835
And nada.
1305
01:03:58,918 --> 01:04:01,630
With the help of Varginha Mayor, Vérdi,
1306
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,257
the team connects with Mr. da Costa,
1307
01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:07,677
a military police corporal in 1996.
1308
01:04:08,219 --> 01:04:11,890
His son, Romulo Ribeiro,
agrees to escort them
1309
01:04:11,973 --> 01:04:14,017
to the home of Eric Lopes.
1310
01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:17,354
- Right.
- ll get you there, and you talk to him.
1311
01:04:17,437 --> 01:04:19,064
- Okay.
- ll introduce myself,
1312
01:04:19,147 --> 01:04:20,273
then hand it over to you
1313
01:04:20,357 --> 01:04:21,358
because you're the professionals.
1314
01:04:21,441 --> 01:04:22,484
-Okay.
-Thanks.
1315
01:04:23,985 --> 01:04:24,986
Okay.
1316
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,657
Oh, my God.
Are you kidding me?
1317
01:04:29,741 --> 01:04:30,992
Should we go up there for--
1318
01:04:31,618 --> 01:04:32,619
Yeah.
1319
01:04:32,702 --> 01:04:36,539
Eric Lopes is the
military police officer from P2,
1320
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,543
who reportedly drove the car
during the second capture
1321
01:04:40,627 --> 01:04:42,087
with Marco Chereze.
1322
01:04:44,464 --> 01:04:47,217
Not even the family
of the deceased officer
1323
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,053
has been able to get
a statement from Lopes.
1324
01:04:51,054 --> 01:04:52,055
Yes!
1325
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:54,599
Well, he's hiding, you know?
1326
01:04:54,683 --> 01:04:56,184
- Hiding, huh?
- Hiding.
1327
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:57,852
If the reports are true,
1328
01:04:58,311 --> 01:05:01,564
he is the only living witness
of the second capture.
1329
01:05:03,024 --> 01:05:06,986
Officer Lopes has been
unreachable for 26 years.
1330
01:05:07,237 --> 01:05:10,740
Should we wait? Eh, if he talks
1331
01:05:10,824 --> 01:05:12,200
- first--
- Oh, my God.
1332
01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:14,285
I'll go with him. I'm going with him.
1333
01:05:25,213 --> 01:05:26,214
Eric!
1334
01:05:28,591 --> 01:05:29,592
Eric!
1335
01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:32,220
Eric... How are you?
1336
01:05:32,512 --> 01:05:33,930
We want to talk...
1337
01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:36,641
If it's about the E.T.
1338
01:05:37,392 --> 01:05:39,269
he won't talk.
1339
01:05:39,352 --> 01:05:41,104
He's gonna remove you with bullets.
1340
01:05:41,604 --> 01:05:42,897
We can't?
1341
01:05:43,106 --> 01:05:44,941
You guys are gonna get in trouble.
1342
01:05:45,024 --> 01:05:47,235
Tell him that--
that the mayor has blessed us.
1343
01:05:47,777 --> 01:05:48,778
Tell him the mayor said--
1344
01:05:48,862 --> 01:05:50,989
Are you okay? All good?
1345
01:05:51,114 --> 01:05:52,782
You are gonna get in trouble.
1346
01:05:52,949 --> 01:05:55,744
He's-- He's--
I don't know, he seems-- he's kinda--
1347
01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:57,579
- Okay.
- This is Eric Lopes?
1348
01:05:58,204 --> 01:05:59,789
Uh, can we just-- Hold on, please.
1349
01:05:59,873 --> 01:06:01,583
Let me ask you a question. Please.
1350
01:06:01,708 --> 01:06:03,418
- A question. Please.
- He...
1351
01:06:03,501 --> 01:06:05,170
It's not Eric, it's Eric's friend.
1352
01:06:05,253 --> 01:06:07,589
Uh-huh.
Uh, he's-- he's friend-- Lopes' friend.
1353
01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:09,174
Oh, okay.
1354
01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:11,968
I will kick you out with bullets.
1355
01:06:12,469 --> 01:06:13,678
- Wha--
- He doesn't accept.
1356
01:06:13,762 --> 01:06:14,888
He doesn't accept.
1357
01:06:14,971 --> 01:06:16,514
H-- Hold on, hold on.
1358
01:06:16,848 --> 01:06:18,475
Just ask him one question for me.
1359
01:06:18,850 --> 01:06:20,894
He just wants
to ask you a single question, sir.
1360
01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:22,645
-You guys are gonna get in trouble.
-He doesn't accept.
1361
01:06:22,729 --> 01:06:24,689
- No, he... There's no way.
- Wh-- Will he--
1362
01:06:24,773 --> 01:06:27,192
Will he ever come
forward to make a statement?
1363
01:06:27,692 --> 01:06:30,862
Uh, he's asking you, sir,
1364
01:06:30,945 --> 01:06:35,074
if you think that Lopes could
1365
01:06:35,158 --> 01:06:36,910
-Uh...
-I am Lopes.
1366
01:06:38,286 --> 01:06:39,746
What's happening?
1367
01:06:40,914 --> 01:06:43,833
This is the house of Eric Lopes.
1368
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,543
- Yeah.
- But...
1369
01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:47,462
he doesn't like to talk.
1370
01:06:48,505 --> 01:06:50,381
They're currently
talking right now. Let's go.
1371
01:06:55,053 --> 01:06:56,387
Are you Eric?
1372
01:06:56,721 --> 01:06:57,722
I didn't know you were Eric.
1373
01:06:58,932 --> 01:07:00,308
If you could just
1374
01:07:00,391 --> 01:07:01,684
-tell us...
-No, he doesn't want.
1375
01:07:01,768 --> 01:07:03,353
- You don't want to talk? It's okay.
- He doesn't want.
1376
01:07:03,603 --> 01:07:05,897
-All good. God be with you.
-Thank you!
1377
01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:07,982
- Thank you. God be with you.
- So...
1378
01:07:08,066 --> 01:07:09,984
So Eric-- d-- Eric won't talk?
1379
01:07:10,068 --> 01:07:11,569
- No, he just--
- What-- What just happened? I'm trying--
1380
01:07:11,653 --> 01:07:13,613
What happened? Is that Eric Lopes?
1381
01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:14,906
Yeah, he doesn't want to talk.
1382
01:07:14,989 --> 01:07:16,282
- Who is that?
- Yeah, Eric Lopes.
1383
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:17,450
That's Eric Lopes.
1384
01:07:17,534 --> 01:07:18,827
It's over.
1385
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:20,036
He doesn't wanna talk at all.
1386
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:22,163
- I'll tell you later.
- It's over?
1387
01:07:22,247 --> 01:07:23,665
- Yeah, let's go.
- Okay, okay.
1388
01:07:24,374 --> 01:07:25,834
- Oh my God, that was Eric Lopes.
- Thanks!
1389
01:07:25,917 --> 01:07:26,960
Thanks!
1390
01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:28,378
Just saw him.
1391
01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:31,089
- Ay, ay, ay.
- What happened?
1392
01:07:32,507 --> 01:07:33,591
Okay, okay.
1393
01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:35,176
We'll go talk.
1394
01:07:35,593 --> 01:07:37,428
Did you get him?
Dave, did you get him?
1395
01:07:37,512 --> 01:07:39,138
Please tell me you got him.
Fuck, dude...
1396
01:07:39,472 --> 01:07:40,682
That was Eric Lopes.
1397
01:07:41,015 --> 01:07:42,016
...fucking God.
1398
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:43,142
Did you get him in the window?
1399
01:07:43,226 --> 01:07:45,019
- Yeah.
- Holy shit.
1400
01:07:45,728 --> 01:07:48,231
-Oh, my God! You got him!
-He was in the window the whole time.
1401
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:51,776
This here confirms
I'm right, Eric Lopes.
1402
01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:53,987
And he said...
1403
01:07:54,821 --> 01:07:58,324
...uh, we shot--
if you don't leave here.
1404
01:07:58,575 --> 01:08:00,076
- He will shoot you?
- Yeah.
1405
01:08:00,869 --> 01:08:02,328
Fuck.
1406
01:08:03,121 --> 01:08:07,417
If that guy had nothing to hide,
he would have just said so.
1407
01:08:09,168 --> 01:08:11,588
- That guy was driving the car
- Yeah.
1408
01:08:11,671 --> 01:08:12,922
that Marco Chereze was in.
1409
01:08:14,048 --> 01:08:16,926
A few hours after
the girl's encounter with the alien
1410
01:08:17,051 --> 01:08:19,470
and its capture by military police,
1411
01:08:19,762 --> 01:08:22,640
an entire family living only blocks away
1412
01:08:22,891 --> 01:08:26,936
witnessed a UFO maneuvering
methodically over the area.
1413
01:08:27,812 --> 01:08:30,231
If true, their sighting could imply
1414
01:08:30,315 --> 01:08:33,818
an extraterrestrial
search and rescue operation.
1415
01:08:34,736 --> 01:08:36,905
When we arrived with cameras rolling,
1416
01:08:36,988 --> 01:08:39,198
the family didn't want to go public.
1417
01:08:39,449 --> 01:08:40,617
Wait, let me ask.
1418
01:08:41,284 --> 01:08:42,493
-Let me ask.
-Yeah.
1419
01:08:43,578 --> 01:08:46,706
How about we film the back
of their heads talking to me?
1420
01:08:47,123 --> 01:08:49,834
- It won't show anything.
- No, I don't want to...
1421
01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:52,462
No, he's not going reveal you.
1422
01:08:52,670 --> 01:08:54,964
No, I only want to comment on the story.
1423
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:57,300
Hey, Fernanda, we have two options.
1424
01:08:57,508 --> 01:08:58,760
- Okay.
- Okay? One...
1425
01:08:59,510 --> 01:09:02,347
...we blur his faces,
no problem, and we will do that.
1426
01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:04,390
Two, we film from the backside,
1427
01:09:04,474 --> 01:09:06,851
and their--
and their faces aren't seen ever.
1428
01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:08,978
Like the doctors.
1429
01:09:09,562 --> 01:09:13,107
And they all saw the UFO
right over th-- this area.
1430
01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:16,319
It looked like they were
looking for something,
1431
01:09:16,402 --> 01:09:17,987
like it was doing a grid search.
1432
01:09:18,488 --> 01:09:20,448
And this is a very respectable family.
1433
01:09:20,573 --> 01:09:23,034
They don't want their faces on camera.
1434
01:09:23,451 --> 01:09:25,036
They wanna talk and tell what they saw,
1435
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:27,205
but they don't want their faces
revealed on camera,
1436
01:09:27,288 --> 01:09:28,915
which... happens.
1437
01:09:30,124 --> 01:09:33,962
Okay, so we're standing in--
very near the area
1438
01:09:34,045 --> 01:09:35,588
where the girls saw the creature.
1439
01:09:35,755 --> 01:09:38,007
It was 1996, January.
1440
01:09:38,091 --> 01:09:39,467
This entire family
1441
01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:41,302
saw something they wanna share with us,
1442
01:09:41,386 --> 01:09:43,554
but they don't wanna have
their faces revealed.
1443
01:09:43,638 --> 01:09:44,847
So, what did they see?
1444
01:09:45,223 --> 01:09:48,434
The motorcycle delivery guy arrived,
1445
01:09:48,726 --> 01:09:50,436
and delivered our meal.
1446
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,189
Then suddenly,
there's a big thing over our house.
1447
01:09:53,272 --> 01:09:54,440
A red light.
1448
01:09:54,565 --> 01:09:57,360
Very red, and like a sphere,
1449
01:09:57,986 --> 01:09:59,404
rotating very fast.
1450
01:09:59,988 --> 01:10:04,200
Very fast. I wanted to really focus on it.
1451
01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:06,536
It was all like,
1452
01:10:06,619 --> 01:10:10,373
solid, like when I look at these walls,
but totally abnormal.
1453
01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:12,250
A thing like...
1454
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:15,837
I don't know if it was
from another planet.
1455
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,588
It was a flying disc.
1456
01:10:17,672 --> 01:10:19,298
This just can't be...
1457
01:10:19,382 --> 01:10:22,343
And I can't say how many minutes.
1458
01:10:22,427 --> 01:10:23,886
They were scared.
1459
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:25,805
The three of us looking...
1460
01:10:26,014 --> 01:10:29,017
- I was just staring at it...
- It was hovering.
1461
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:30,935
- Hovering and rotating...
- Like this.
1462
01:10:31,019 --> 01:10:33,354
It was searching
for something around here.
1463
01:10:33,438 --> 01:10:34,731
- It was searching.
- Very red...
1464
01:10:34,814 --> 01:10:36,649
But it was red, very red.
1465
01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:37,984
- And silvery all around.
- A sphere...
1466
01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:39,444
Like a sphere...
1467
01:10:39,527 --> 01:10:43,156
And looking, really looking for something.
1468
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,075
- And we were just looking at it.
- We stared at it for 15 minutes.
1469
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:49,245
"What I'm seeing today,
I haven't seen ever in my life."
1470
01:10:49,328 --> 01:10:51,831
I don't know why God
gave me this opportunity.
1471
01:10:52,165 --> 01:10:53,332
It was real.
1472
01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:56,753
This happened.
There was no way it was something else.
1473
01:10:56,836 --> 01:11:00,173
The Varginha case was real!
1474
01:11:01,799 --> 01:11:02,925
Evidently, the family
1475
01:11:03,009 --> 01:11:04,719
was not alone in their sighting.
1476
01:11:05,636 --> 01:11:08,347
They see a UFO.
The UFO gets closer to them.
1477
01:11:08,681 --> 01:11:11,976
To the point where it's
at the height of that streetlight.
1478
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:13,311
Okay, so then what happens?
1479
01:11:13,394 --> 01:11:14,645
It was round...
1480
01:11:14,729 --> 01:11:16,272
- a round shape.
- Like a...
1481
01:11:16,355 --> 01:11:17,398
It was round.
1482
01:11:17,482 --> 01:11:18,775
And it was turning...
1483
01:11:18,858 --> 01:11:21,194
It seemed to be looking for something
1484
01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,905
because it came closer.
1485
01:11:24,322 --> 01:11:26,949
And it stayed stationary for a while.
1486
01:11:27,033 --> 01:11:29,952
I saw that what it was
looking for wasn't there
1487
01:11:30,036 --> 01:11:32,622
and then it turned back and left.
You hear me?
1488
01:11:32,705 --> 01:11:35,083
I was paralyzed because,
1489
01:11:35,333 --> 01:11:37,126
at that moment, I was
1490
01:11:37,627 --> 01:11:39,545
in disbelief. I said...
1491
01:11:39,629 --> 01:11:42,381
It was me and my mother.
We couldn't believe it.
1492
01:11:45,384 --> 01:11:46,636
A couple months later,
1493
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,555
a similar object was captured on video
1494
01:11:49,639 --> 01:11:51,557
southeast of Varginha.
1495
01:11:54,644 --> 01:11:56,270
It's a disc, Mom.
1496
01:11:56,938 --> 01:11:59,732
- And about a week later, right?
- Yes.
1497
01:11:59,816 --> 01:12:02,652
- Some people... Yes, yes.
- Ubirajara, ufoligists.
1498
01:12:02,735 --> 01:12:04,529
- Some people from NASA.
- People from
1499
01:12:04,612 --> 01:12:06,781
NASA, I don't know if they were...
1500
01:12:06,864 --> 01:12:08,616
It was an American too,
1501
01:12:08,699 --> 01:12:09,992
who came here,
1502
01:12:10,326 --> 01:12:12,662
and stayed a long time talking with us,
1503
01:12:12,745 --> 01:12:14,122
talking into the night.
1504
01:12:14,205 --> 01:12:15,623
And what got my attention,
1505
01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:19,210
when they left, they said,
"This conversation never happened."
1506
01:12:19,794 --> 01:12:21,379
Did I hear...
I heard Americano.
1507
01:12:21,504 --> 01:12:22,713
-He said American.
-Yes.
1508
01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:24,173
What-- What was that about?
1509
01:12:25,383 --> 01:12:26,926
Some American officials?
1510
01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:28,886
-Came here.
-Came here...
1511
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:30,888
to talk about what they saw.
1512
01:12:30,972 --> 01:12:32,598
-Yes. Mm-hmm.
-Americans.
1513
01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:35,143
Were they military? Were they police?
1514
01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:36,727
Who were they?
1515
01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:39,647
No. They were dressed like civilians.
1516
01:12:39,730 --> 01:12:41,274
Normal.
1517
01:12:41,357 --> 01:12:42,817
They came with Ubirajara.
1518
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:45,862
Ubirajara, the UFO researcher at the time.
1519
01:12:46,404 --> 01:12:49,157
-Right.
-He has all our statements.
1520
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,368
The people were Americans,
1521
01:12:52,451 --> 01:12:53,911
but I don't know who.
1522
01:12:53,995 --> 01:12:57,456
Is there any way that
there is a conventional explanation
1523
01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:59,667
to what they saw?
1524
01:13:00,293 --> 01:13:02,545
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
1525
01:13:02,879 --> 01:13:04,630
I don't need to lie.
1526
01:13:04,714 --> 01:13:06,257
I never even wanted to give an interview.
1527
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:09,802
I'm doing this interview
without showing my face...
1528
01:13:10,178 --> 01:13:12,346
It's real. 100% real.
1529
01:13:12,430 --> 01:13:14,473
I stayed 10 to 15 minutes staring at this
1530
01:13:14,557 --> 01:13:16,309
to be sure of what I'm saying.
1531
01:13:23,691 --> 01:13:25,484
I just wanna go over...
1532
01:13:26,277 --> 01:13:29,488
...that interview, and what I find--
1533
01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:30,740
First of all,
1534
01:13:30,948 --> 01:13:32,366
they hesitated on whether or not
1535
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:33,993
they even wanted to go on camera.
1536
01:13:34,076 --> 01:13:35,578
They canceled yesterday.
1537
01:13:35,786 --> 01:13:37,663
Today they were like...
1538
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,081
"We don't want--"
1539
01:13:39,165 --> 01:13:41,209
Oh, sorry, there's a bus coming.
1540
01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:43,294
"We don't want our faces on camera."
1541
01:13:43,377 --> 01:13:44,420
It was like an entire family.
1542
01:13:44,503 --> 01:13:46,088
And they all saw this object.
1543
01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:47,673
And it was really big.
1544
01:13:48,257 --> 01:13:49,258
Shaped like a disc.
1545
01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:50,760
Zero noise.
1546
01:13:51,928 --> 01:13:53,554
You have witnesses like that.
1547
01:13:53,638 --> 01:13:54,889
They're friends of the doctor,
1548
01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:56,432
the guy that we rent the house from.
1549
01:13:56,849 --> 01:13:58,392
That you could just tell they've been
1550
01:13:58,476 --> 01:14:00,603
sitting on that story for 26 years.
1551
01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:03,773
How excited he was to finally share it.
1552
01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:33,219
So, it was a normal day,
1553
01:14:33,552 --> 01:14:35,930
when suddenly, on the school polo field,
1554
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:37,598
a Navy helicopter landed.
1555
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:43,521
And then a big movement started,
1556
01:14:43,604 --> 01:14:46,148
of vehicles entering the barracks.
1557
01:14:48,776 --> 01:14:50,152
I was standing in line at the bank,
1558
01:14:50,236 --> 01:14:51,696
to receive my payment,
1559
01:14:51,779 --> 01:14:54,323
when a Navy truck parked outside,
1560
01:14:54,407 --> 01:14:56,534
and military men hurriedly pushed
1561
01:14:56,617 --> 01:14:58,160
a metal box inside.
1562
01:15:03,374 --> 01:15:06,669
There was unusual activity at the base.
1563
01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:09,046
- Mm-hmm.
- There were helicopters
1564
01:15:09,130 --> 01:15:11,215
from... the Navy,
1565
01:15:11,799 --> 01:15:13,592
which in itself was unusual.
1566
01:15:13,676 --> 01:15:15,219
- He sees a box.
- Yeah.
1567
01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:17,763
Was the box unusual?
1568
01:15:19,724 --> 01:15:21,100
What caught my attention
1569
01:15:21,183 --> 01:15:24,895
was why the Navy would be taking
this box from the infirmary.
1570
01:15:27,898 --> 01:15:32,153
The Navy people were ordering us
to get out of there.
1571
01:15:34,989 --> 01:15:36,699
The commanding general said,
1572
01:15:36,782 --> 01:15:38,659
There are rumors
1573
01:15:38,743 --> 01:15:41,078
that they went to Varginha and picked up
1574
01:15:41,162 --> 01:15:42,538
some creature.
1575
01:15:47,626 --> 01:15:49,045
The creature is here,
1576
01:15:49,128 --> 01:15:51,672
and the press want to come inside.
1577
01:15:55,634 --> 01:15:57,219
It was really weird.
1578
01:15:58,137 --> 01:15:59,263
Really strange.
1579
01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:05,895
My squadron was
directly involved with the mission,
1580
01:16:06,395 --> 01:16:08,564
because they transported it.
1581
01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:13,903
So I avoided talking about it
with my company.
1582
01:16:18,407 --> 01:16:22,119
Soon after,
the drivers who went to Varginha
1583
01:16:22,203 --> 01:16:26,082
were ordered to the commander's office.
1584
01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:28,125
And we never saw them again.
1585
01:16:28,209 --> 01:16:29,377
So, to this day,
1586
01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:32,671
has he spoken to any of them
that went to Varginha?
1587
01:16:33,422 --> 01:16:35,049
- No?
- No, no.
1588
01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:36,258
Nothing?
1589
01:16:36,342 --> 01:16:37,343
Yeah.
1590
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:38,511
Wow.
1591
01:16:43,808 --> 01:16:45,184
According to the witness,
1592
01:16:45,267 --> 01:16:46,894
it wasn't only the drivers
1593
01:16:46,977 --> 01:16:48,437
who were never seen again.
1594
01:16:48,896 --> 01:16:53,776
Their captain, Edson Ramires,
also left without a word.
1595
01:16:54,527 --> 01:16:56,946
He was a friend to everyone,
1596
01:16:57,029 --> 01:16:58,197
spoke with everyone,
1597
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,782
would help everyone...
1598
01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:01,450
would help everyone...
1599
01:17:01,534 --> 01:17:04,245
just go without saying goodbye.
1600
01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:15,381
January, 1996.
1601
01:17:15,631 --> 01:17:19,051
A radiologist has an unexpected
visit by the military
1602
01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:22,221
while on duty at Hospital Regional.
1603
01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:24,849
He agrees to share his story,
1604
01:17:24,932 --> 01:17:27,643
provided his identity remains concealed.
1605
01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:31,647
Outside the
gated courtyard, there was a truck
1606
01:17:32,273 --> 01:17:33,983
from ESA, military.
1607
01:17:35,234 --> 01:17:37,403
In the courtyard, there was a jeep,
1608
01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:38,863
with more military personnel,
1609
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,533
and another eight or ten police vehicles.
1610
01:17:43,826 --> 01:17:46,078
No one gets in, and nobody goes out.
1611
01:17:46,704 --> 01:17:48,581
So we have a big military presence
1612
01:17:48,831 --> 01:17:50,207
on the outside of the hospital.
1613
01:17:50,458 --> 01:17:52,293
We got two army and two police
1614
01:17:52,376 --> 01:17:54,211
on the inside of the hospital with a box,
1615
01:17:54,545 --> 01:17:57,256
and something inside
of a black zip body bag.
1616
01:17:58,507 --> 01:18:01,260
They asked me to do the X-rays
1617
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,179
of the parts they requested:
1618
01:18:03,929 --> 01:18:05,181
the skull,
1619
01:18:05,264 --> 01:18:06,432
cervical spine,
1620
01:18:06,599 --> 01:18:07,600
thorax,
1621
01:18:07,683 --> 01:18:09,435
abdomen, pelvis,
1622
01:18:09,643 --> 01:18:10,936
and legs and arms.
1623
01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:16,567
Their eyes
1624
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:17,818
were fixed,
1625
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,946
observing me all the time
1626
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:22,448
to see what I was doing.
1627
01:18:22,531 --> 01:18:24,492
But they didn't say anything.
1628
01:18:26,619 --> 01:18:28,954
Even among themselves.
1629
01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:32,708
The X-rays were developed,
1630
01:18:32,791 --> 01:18:34,502
and at the time,
1631
01:18:35,211 --> 01:18:37,963
I saw no images.
1632
01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:40,633
It all was taken by the military that day.
1633
01:18:42,259 --> 01:18:45,471
Normally, I verify the images are correct,
1634
01:18:45,638 --> 01:18:47,181
but on this day,
1635
01:18:47,515 --> 01:18:48,766
I didn't verify them.
1636
01:18:52,353 --> 01:18:53,354
Then...
1637
01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,650
...uh, one person who was there said,
1638
01:18:57,733 --> 01:18:59,068
Your job is done.
1639
01:18:59,151 --> 01:19:00,236
Thank you very much.
1640
01:19:00,945 --> 01:19:02,238
Your job is done.
1641
01:19:02,321 --> 01:19:04,573
Don't comment on what you saw,
1642
01:19:04,657 --> 01:19:05,950
or what you did.
1643
01:19:07,993 --> 01:19:09,245
Well, what did it smell like?
1644
01:19:09,912 --> 01:19:11,705
The smell was strong,
1645
01:19:11,956 --> 01:19:14,959
a mix between sulfur and ammonia.
1646
01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:20,256
When they took whatever
it was in that black bag,
1647
01:19:20,464 --> 01:19:21,840
and they left the hospital,
1648
01:19:21,924 --> 01:19:23,425
the military, and the police,
1649
01:19:23,926 --> 01:19:26,679
with that bag and that thing,
1650
01:19:27,721 --> 01:19:29,139
did the smell leave?
1651
01:19:29,598 --> 01:19:32,268
Despite all the cleaning,
1652
01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:33,561
disinfecting,
1653
01:19:33,644 --> 01:19:35,729
the smell remained.
1654
01:19:36,272 --> 01:19:38,732
And that section
of the hospital was closed.
1655
01:19:38,816 --> 01:19:41,402
We couldn't serve the public
1656
01:19:41,902 --> 01:19:44,113
because the smell was so strong.
1657
01:19:46,699 --> 01:19:49,285
The smell was still there the next day,
1658
01:19:49,368 --> 01:19:50,869
and everyone was complaining.
1659
01:19:51,537 --> 01:19:55,416
The smell impregnated
my nose and respiratory system,
1660
01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:56,959
for three or four days.
1661
01:19:59,253 --> 01:20:00,504
Three of the most...
1662
01:20:01,088 --> 01:20:02,923
...strange, bizarre...
1663
01:20:03,716 --> 01:20:04,800
...points...
1664
01:20:05,593 --> 01:20:06,635
...of this...
1665
01:20:07,386 --> 01:20:08,429
encounter.
1666
01:20:08,679 --> 01:20:10,723
The first thing I found really strange:
1667
01:20:10,806 --> 01:20:12,808
They selected me
1668
01:20:12,891 --> 01:20:15,477
to do this kind of procedure
1669
01:20:15,561 --> 01:20:18,397
because it could have been done
by any professional.
1670
01:20:18,939 --> 01:20:21,400
The other thing: They asked for secrecy.
1671
01:20:22,192 --> 01:20:23,652
All in secret,
1672
01:20:23,736 --> 01:20:25,779
what we did in that room.
1673
01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:29,074
The other thing:
They also refused me access
1674
01:20:29,158 --> 01:20:30,743
to the images I took.
1675
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:32,578
They thanked me,
1676
01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:34,913
and told me not to say anything.
1677
01:20:35,706 --> 01:20:36,749
Stay quiet.
1678
01:20:43,047 --> 01:20:45,090
Probably about ten months ago,
1679
01:20:46,467 --> 01:20:49,178
Marco managed to reach...
1680
01:20:50,054 --> 01:20:53,724
...a vetted, legitimate witness
who was involved
1681
01:20:53,807 --> 01:20:56,268
in the transportation of the--
1682
01:20:57,186 --> 01:20:59,772
they call him E.T., or the being.
1683
01:21:00,522 --> 01:21:04,234
Um... This guy was so... scared.
1684
01:21:04,818 --> 01:21:08,447
Um, Marco spent, I think,
eight to ten months
1685
01:21:09,031 --> 01:21:12,201
slowly developing
a relationship with this guy.
1686
01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:15,496
And about four days ago,
1687
01:21:15,996 --> 01:21:19,124
he agreed to meet with me
and Marco, just the two of us.
1688
01:21:19,416 --> 01:21:23,128
So we drove late into the night,
we met him at a bar.
1689
01:21:23,212 --> 01:21:25,964
When we arrived, he was with another guy.
1690
01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:29,760
He took us to a different location,
1691
01:21:29,843 --> 01:21:32,388
and we sat outside
and we talked for a couple of hours
1692
01:21:32,846 --> 01:21:35,849
about coming forward,
appearing in the documentary.
1693
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:38,977
I've never, ever had the opportunity
1694
01:21:39,061 --> 01:21:40,437
to interview a witness
1695
01:21:40,521 --> 01:21:43,065
that potentially handled
an extraterrestrial being.
1696
01:21:45,526 --> 01:21:48,737
I worry about the military
getting wind of what's going on
1697
01:21:48,821 --> 01:21:51,740
'cause they're clearly paying
attention to this witness.
1698
01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:54,243
I'm worried about them--
Him getting a phone call,
1699
01:21:54,326 --> 01:21:56,704
reminding him of his oath to secrecy.
1700
01:21:57,663 --> 01:22:01,291
I don't wanna put someone
else's family in harm's way.
1701
01:22:03,627 --> 01:22:05,754
So you're always in the back of your mind
1702
01:22:05,921 --> 01:22:07,506
in a situation like this,
1703
01:22:07,589 --> 01:22:08,757
you know that at any moment,
1704
01:22:08,841 --> 01:22:10,217
the carpet can get pulled out
from under you
1705
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:12,344
and that it's not a done deal
until it's a done deal.
1706
01:22:13,470 --> 01:22:16,265
Listen, I wonder if we
should rent a hotel room
1707
01:22:16,598 --> 01:22:18,434
and then have him come to us.
1708
01:22:19,101 --> 01:22:20,811
Because then we can get all the gear
1709
01:22:20,894 --> 01:22:24,314
inside the hotel room and then
he can just show up and walk in.
1710
01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:26,734
We can-- We can stop in the gas station.
1711
01:22:27,985 --> 01:22:31,613
Marco coordinates
with the witness, Military X,
1712
01:22:31,697 --> 01:22:33,824
to secure a safe meeting location.
1713
01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:35,951
Yes, I made appointment with him
1714
01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:38,912
in the-- some hotel right here,
close to here, and then--
1715
01:22:38,996 --> 01:22:41,206
- so I think we have to drove...
- We should go to the hotel first.
1716
01:22:41,290 --> 01:22:42,458
- Yeah, we go in.
- Check in
1717
01:22:42,541 --> 01:22:44,209
-and then he just walks in.
-Yeah, exactly.
1718
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:45,711
- Now. Let's go.
- That's... Yeah, let's go.
1719
01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:47,546
Thanks!
1720
01:22:50,048 --> 01:22:53,510
I feel that... that anxiety
in my stomach, you know?
1721
01:22:54,553 --> 01:22:55,679
It's just like...
1722
01:22:57,264 --> 01:23:00,350
...we pull this off
and it's... it's like...
1723
01:23:01,101 --> 01:23:02,102
...first time.
1724
01:23:02,728 --> 01:23:04,313
It'll be the most compelling testimony
1725
01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:06,940
ever revealed on the history of this case.
1726
01:23:08,525 --> 01:23:10,611
No question-- Oh my fucking God,
that hill is so steep.
1727
01:23:10,694 --> 01:23:11,737
I know...
1728
01:23:17,785 --> 01:23:19,620
Entrada.
This is the hotel.
1729
01:23:19,745 --> 01:23:21,663
I would get a quick shot of it,
1730
01:23:21,747 --> 01:23:23,916
and I'd shut these cameras off right now.
1731
01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:27,169
Can you guys do that?
Shut everything off--
1732
01:23:30,172 --> 01:23:31,173
Guys!
1733
01:23:31,882 --> 01:23:33,175
- Yeah.
- Right.
1734
01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:35,093
- Right here.
- Alright.
1735
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:37,012
Take this gear.
1736
01:23:37,513 --> 01:23:39,181
- Fuck, this room is small.
- This is way--
1737
01:23:39,264 --> 01:23:40,891
You-- you can't even use
these cameras in here.
1738
01:23:41,099 --> 01:23:42,309
Oh, my God, okay.
1739
01:23:42,643 --> 01:23:45,020
Uh, he's trying to find
a room with two beds.
1740
01:23:46,021 --> 01:23:48,565
You better...
Yeah.
1741
01:23:53,779 --> 01:23:54,780
Mark it.
1742
01:23:55,739 --> 01:23:56,740
Okay.
1743
01:23:56,865 --> 01:23:58,200
You're going to be called Military X.
1744
01:23:58,283 --> 01:23:59,743
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay?
1745
01:24:03,121 --> 01:24:04,122
Okay, it's on.
1746
01:24:04,206 --> 01:24:05,916
Okay, so we are sitting here
1747
01:24:05,999 --> 01:24:07,709
with Military X,
1748
01:24:08,502 --> 01:24:11,713
um, who clearly doesn't want
his identity revealed,
1749
01:24:11,797 --> 01:24:13,090
which we're not gonna do.
1750
01:24:13,465 --> 01:24:17,553
And, uh, he's gonna provide
enough detail, not too much,
1751
01:24:17,636 --> 01:24:20,597
but enough detail on-- on
operations that he was involved with,
1752
01:24:20,681 --> 01:24:22,015
with the Varginha case.
1753
01:24:26,019 --> 01:24:29,064
It was a normal day.
I was at the army base,
1754
01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:33,360
when around nine,
1755
01:24:33,443 --> 01:24:34,570
nine-thirty,
1756
01:24:35,028 --> 01:24:36,989
I don't remember exactly,
it's been a long time,
1757
01:24:37,239 --> 01:24:38,407
Mm-hmm.
1758
01:24:38,657 --> 01:24:40,659
they called me,
1759
01:24:40,742 --> 01:24:43,704
we use the term summoned,
1760
01:24:44,413 --> 01:24:45,622
to...
1761
01:24:46,707 --> 01:24:48,792
...show up at his office.
1762
01:24:49,418 --> 01:24:50,919
Today, he's a Colonel,
1763
01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:52,754
Vanderlei.
1764
01:24:53,797 --> 01:24:54,965
And,
1765
01:24:55,048 --> 01:24:56,633
along with other officers,
1766
01:24:57,676 --> 01:25:00,053
I was instructed to prepare
1767
01:25:00,554 --> 01:25:02,890
some vehicles,
1768
01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:04,975
the trucks, for a mission.
1769
01:25:05,851 --> 01:25:08,604
They didn't say
what that mission would be.
1770
01:25:09,521 --> 01:25:11,064
And that
1771
01:25:11,148 --> 01:25:14,818
we were going to the city of Varginha.
1772
01:25:16,945 --> 01:25:18,739
We were ordered
1773
01:25:19,156 --> 01:25:20,198
to follow
1774
01:25:21,158 --> 01:25:24,786
some... unmarked vehicles,
1775
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:26,204
non-military vehicles.
1776
01:25:26,997 --> 01:25:29,249
And, if I remember it right,
it was a Kombi.
1777
01:25:29,875 --> 01:25:30,959
Okay?
1778
01:25:31,043 --> 01:25:32,753
A Kombi, and...
1779
01:25:34,046 --> 01:25:36,465
Wherever they stopped, we stopped as well.
1780
01:25:37,382 --> 01:25:41,428
We were going to the city of Varginha.
1781
01:25:41,803 --> 01:25:43,388
When we get there,
1782
01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:44,640
we stay put.
1783
01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:53,398
The convoy stopped.
1784
01:25:53,482 --> 01:25:56,401
The military personnel
1785
01:25:56,485 --> 01:25:58,070
belonging to
1786
01:25:58,153 --> 01:26:00,030
group S2,
1787
01:26:00,113 --> 01:26:01,949
which is the Army's Secret Service,
1788
01:26:02,282 --> 01:26:05,619
were ordered to remain there,
1789
01:26:05,702 --> 01:26:07,162
until further notice.
1790
01:26:07,245 --> 01:26:08,246
Mm-hmm.
1791
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:10,248
And so...
1792
01:26:10,332 --> 01:26:12,709
three soldiers,
1793
01:26:12,793 --> 01:26:15,087
who were driving the other vehicles,
1794
01:26:15,587 --> 01:26:16,797
and...
1795
01:26:17,214 --> 01:26:19,299
were each to move to a different location.
1796
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:20,801
Then
1797
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:24,972
I followed this military guy
1798
01:26:25,055 --> 01:26:26,682
who belonged to the Secret Service,
1799
01:26:26,765 --> 01:26:28,266
passing through downtown,
1800
01:26:28,767 --> 01:26:31,645
near Regional Hospital,
if I'm not mistaken.
1801
01:26:31,853 --> 01:26:33,772
- Mm-hmm.
- And then we went to
1802
01:26:33,855 --> 01:26:35,857
Humanitas Hospital.
1803
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,612
Then, we were given the order to...
1804
01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:44,992
...back the trucks
into Humanitas Hospital.
1805
01:26:47,786 --> 01:26:50,038
Arriving at the gate...
1806
01:26:50,914 --> 01:26:52,207
How can I put it?
1807
01:26:52,708 --> 01:26:55,168
The hospital scene...
1808
01:26:55,627 --> 01:26:57,004
I saw a box.
1809
01:26:57,379 --> 01:27:00,799
A stainless steel table with a box.
1810
01:27:00,882 --> 01:27:03,427
- Mm-hmm.
- There were doctors,
1811
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:06,513
people carrying clipboards...
1812
01:27:06,596 --> 01:27:07,597
Uh...
1813
01:27:08,765 --> 01:27:12,227
analyzing. It looked like
they all seemed scared of it.
1814
01:27:12,394 --> 01:27:14,396
And when I looked...
1815
01:27:16,106 --> 01:27:17,858
...I saw...
1816
01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:20,152
...something different.
1817
01:27:20,736 --> 01:27:23,155
Okay? A different creature,
1818
01:27:23,238 --> 01:27:26,867
with the very oily skin.
1819
01:27:27,701 --> 01:27:29,286
Uh, a lot of oil...
1820
01:27:29,369 --> 01:27:31,413
like silicone.
1821
01:27:31,913 --> 01:27:33,623
Seeing that, I got scared.
1822
01:27:34,124 --> 01:27:36,376
When he was in Humanitas,
1823
01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:38,920
this is where he saw
part of the creature?
1824
01:27:39,254 --> 01:27:42,424
-Yes.
-What was the atmosphere like?
1825
01:27:42,841 --> 01:27:47,220
What were the looks on the faces
of the other people in the room?
1826
01:27:47,763 --> 01:27:49,306
-Yeah.
-What was it like?
1827
01:27:49,389 --> 01:27:50,932
Can he put me in that room?
1828
01:27:52,309 --> 01:27:55,520
I felt a climate of tension,
1829
01:27:56,772 --> 01:27:58,440
a climate of tension.
1830
01:28:00,150 --> 01:28:03,445
Uh, everyone looked at everyone else,
1831
01:28:03,945 --> 01:28:06,615
wondering what was going on.
1832
01:28:06,823 --> 01:28:08,658
- Mm-hmm.
- That's the truth.
1833
01:28:09,326 --> 01:28:11,411
What caught my attention,
1834
01:28:11,495 --> 01:28:13,121
was the foot.
1835
01:28:13,997 --> 01:28:15,874
It was like this.
1836
01:28:16,875 --> 01:28:19,127
Practically two fingers.
1837
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,509
When he looked
and he saw the... the leg,
1838
01:28:25,592 --> 01:28:26,885
-or part of the leg,
-Mm-hmm.
1839
01:28:26,968 --> 01:28:28,178
and the foot, with the--
1840
01:28:28,261 --> 01:28:29,930
with the "V", right?
1841
01:28:30,514 --> 01:28:31,598
What did he think?
1842
01:28:31,681 --> 01:28:33,183
What got my attention,
1843
01:28:33,266 --> 01:28:35,268
what led me to believe
1844
01:28:35,352 --> 01:28:37,062
that it wasn't a human being,
1845
01:28:38,063 --> 01:28:39,064
was the foot.
1846
01:28:39,147 --> 01:28:40,190
Mm-hmm.
1847
01:28:43,235 --> 01:28:44,861
Everybody was shocked...
1848
01:28:46,988 --> 01:28:48,615
Very shocked.
1849
01:28:49,825 --> 01:28:51,284
I looked at it,
1850
01:28:51,493 --> 01:28:52,744
then looked away
1851
01:28:52,828 --> 01:28:54,204
because I got scared.
1852
01:28:54,621 --> 01:28:55,914
I looked at it.
1853
01:28:55,997 --> 01:28:57,999
"What is that?" When I looked,
1854
01:28:58,083 --> 01:29:00,085
and my expression changed,
1855
01:29:00,544 --> 01:29:02,838
I was, uh...
1856
01:29:03,213 --> 01:29:04,798
...in over my head
1857
01:29:04,881 --> 01:29:06,341
with the situation.
1858
01:29:06,424 --> 01:29:07,801
They did this.
1859
01:29:08,176 --> 01:29:11,221
A soldier, I think it was
a soldier from the fire department,
1860
01:29:12,055 --> 01:29:13,515
"Leave, leave, leave."
1861
01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:15,934
So, I took a step back,
1862
01:29:16,309 --> 01:29:17,435
and turned around.
1863
01:29:18,311 --> 01:29:19,521
But before I left,
1864
01:29:20,522 --> 01:29:23,233
I remember to the right of the box,
1865
01:29:23,900 --> 01:29:26,153
there was a soldier with a camera,
1866
01:29:26,236 --> 01:29:27,821
but he wasn't filming.
1867
01:29:28,446 --> 01:29:30,907
He had it hanging here.
1868
01:29:30,991 --> 01:29:33,368
He had it hanging here.
1869
01:29:34,995 --> 01:29:39,499
ESA military base
is roughly 20 miles southeast of Varginha.
1870
01:29:41,585 --> 01:29:43,044
According to witnesses,
1871
01:29:43,128 --> 01:29:46,506
the army operations originated from here.
1872
01:29:47,966 --> 01:29:52,804
Is there filmed footage,
video footage of the creature
1873
01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:54,097
that he knows about?
1874
01:29:54,389 --> 01:29:57,267
He asked if there is any copy, any tape,
1875
01:29:57,517 --> 01:30:00,896
that was shot at the hospital
that was brought to your attention?
1876
01:30:02,063 --> 01:30:03,440
Yes.
1877
01:30:03,523 --> 01:30:04,941
They have it for sure.
1878
01:30:05,984 --> 01:30:07,027
For sure.
1879
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:12,199
Military X says
that, on January 22nd, 1996,
1880
01:30:12,282 --> 01:30:16,661
he drove the creature from
Humanitas Hospital in Varginha
1881
01:30:16,912 --> 01:30:20,790
to ESA army base, where
it would remain overnight.
1882
01:30:22,584 --> 01:30:24,461
We parked the vehicles,
1883
01:30:25,086 --> 01:30:26,338
as instructed.
1884
01:30:26,630 --> 01:30:31,051
Uh, we went to the office.
1885
01:30:31,426 --> 01:30:32,427
Right?
1886
01:30:32,928 --> 01:30:36,223
They focused on me,
1887
01:30:37,224 --> 01:30:38,516
with this other military guy.
1888
01:30:38,725 --> 01:30:41,186
He looked at me straight in the eyes,
1889
01:30:41,269 --> 01:30:42,812
and asked what I saw.
1890
01:30:44,773 --> 01:30:48,526
I said, "I think it was a burnt man or...
1891
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:50,528
something."
1892
01:30:51,112 --> 01:30:53,031
He said: "No,
1893
01:30:53,114 --> 01:30:54,282
that's not what you saw."
1894
01:30:55,075 --> 01:30:56,451
I don't know if he...
1895
01:30:57,118 --> 01:31:00,205
...uh, thought I was
trying to deceive him.
1896
01:31:00,372 --> 01:31:01,831
Like, "He knows,
1897
01:31:01,915 --> 01:31:03,416
but doesn't want to say."
1898
01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:06,878
That's when he said that...
1899
01:31:07,754 --> 01:31:09,547
...what I saw was...
1900
01:31:10,548 --> 01:31:12,133
...supernatural.
1901
01:31:15,595 --> 01:31:18,890
Does he have any idea
1902
01:31:19,641 --> 01:31:23,687
where the creature... went?
1903
01:31:23,770 --> 01:31:27,065
Because, uh, it went to Regional,
1904
01:31:27,148 --> 01:31:29,901
then Humanitas, then ESA,
1905
01:31:30,318 --> 01:31:31,361
then Campinas.
1906
01:31:31,778 --> 01:31:32,946
And then what happened?
1907
01:31:33,154 --> 01:31:34,656
Varginha, ESA...
1908
01:31:34,739 --> 01:31:36,533
According to Military X,
1909
01:31:36,616 --> 01:31:38,576
he transported a creature
1910
01:31:38,660 --> 01:31:41,204
from Humanitas Hospital in Varginha
1911
01:31:41,288 --> 01:31:44,666
to ESA military base in Tres Coraçoes,
1912
01:31:44,749 --> 01:31:46,209
where it stayed for the night.
1913
01:31:47,752 --> 01:31:50,338
For the first time ever,
then police chief,
1914
01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:55,302
Mr. Pedro Aguiar, describes
what he saw at the base.
1915
01:31:55,927 --> 01:32:00,307
I entered, and
I had never seen so much military brass.
1916
01:32:00,807 --> 01:32:02,475
It was a big oval space,
1917
01:32:02,726 --> 01:32:04,102
full of brass.
1918
01:32:04,185 --> 01:32:05,395
Full of officials.
1919
01:32:06,730 --> 01:32:08,982
At the back of ESA
1920
01:32:09,065 --> 01:32:11,192
helicopters were
coming in and going out...
1921
01:32:11,276 --> 01:32:12,777
flying in and out.
1922
01:32:12,861 --> 01:32:14,612
And at the back of ESA...
1923
01:32:14,738 --> 01:32:18,116
I learned that they took it to Campinas.
1924
01:32:20,368 --> 01:32:21,995
Early the following morning,
1925
01:32:22,078 --> 01:32:23,913
the convoy continued their mission,
1926
01:32:23,997 --> 01:32:26,541
heading south on Fernao Dias freeway,
1927
01:32:26,624 --> 01:32:30,253
then west on Don Pedro
to EsPCEx army base,
1928
01:32:30,337 --> 01:32:31,963
in the city of Campinas.
1929
01:32:35,091 --> 01:32:38,636
I think they did a study in Campinas.
1930
01:32:39,721 --> 01:32:45,018
Uh, now, some things
I don't know and can't prove, but
1931
01:32:45,602 --> 01:32:47,354
the rumors at the time
1932
01:32:47,729 --> 01:32:50,023
were that it went to the United States.
1933
01:32:51,066 --> 01:32:55,695
We... weren't really equipped,
1934
01:32:56,279 --> 01:32:57,572
honestly,
1935
01:32:58,323 --> 01:32:59,783
to keep
1936
01:32:59,908 --> 01:33:01,242
the creature here.
1937
01:33:04,704 --> 01:33:06,331
They took it to Campinas,
1938
01:33:06,414 --> 01:33:08,666
and from Campinas,
they took it to the United States.
1939
01:33:10,585 --> 01:33:11,753
When the General...
1940
01:33:12,754 --> 01:33:16,674
...told me it was
an issue of National Security,
1941
01:33:17,384 --> 01:33:19,344
it's dead. It's done.
1942
01:33:21,262 --> 01:33:22,639
The Brazilian Air Force.
1943
01:33:22,722 --> 01:33:25,100
The team meets
with Brazilian Air Force
1944
01:33:25,183 --> 01:33:28,978
Traffic Control Officer
José Manoel Fernandes.
1945
01:33:29,854 --> 01:33:32,565
His unit was responsible for monitoring
1946
01:33:32,649 --> 01:33:34,317
specific airspace
1947
01:33:34,401 --> 01:33:36,236
over the state of Sao Paulo.
1948
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:38,238
Do you know anything about this case?
1949
01:33:38,655 --> 01:33:39,864
What I know...
1950
01:33:40,782 --> 01:33:44,702
Um, USAF lands in Campinas.
1951
01:33:45,370 --> 01:33:48,206
A USAF airplane lands in Campinas.
1952
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:51,084
And two helicopters
1953
01:33:51,167 --> 01:33:53,294
took off from Campinas airport
1954
01:33:53,378 --> 01:33:55,755
to an unknown place.
1955
01:33:56,464 --> 01:33:58,842
Afterward, we learned that it was
1956
01:33:59,175 --> 01:34:00,635
the city of Varginha.
1957
01:34:01,511 --> 01:34:02,512
It landed,
1958
01:34:03,054 --> 01:34:05,014
collected something,
1959
01:34:05,598 --> 01:34:06,808
nobody knows what,
1960
01:34:07,308 --> 01:34:09,269
returned to Campinas,
1961
01:34:09,811 --> 01:34:11,604
put it in the USAF airplane,
1962
01:34:12,564 --> 01:34:15,775
took off and left.
1963
01:34:16,067 --> 01:34:18,027
And the mission was...
1964
01:34:18,486 --> 01:34:19,988
What they told us,
1965
01:34:20,071 --> 01:34:21,156
"Silence."
1966
01:34:21,239 --> 01:34:22,449
"Total silence."
1967
01:34:22,866 --> 01:34:24,826
Was it, uh, Americans involved?
1968
01:34:24,951 --> 01:34:26,703
Or was it just the Brazilians involved?
1969
01:34:26,911 --> 01:34:27,912
Uh...
1970
01:34:29,164 --> 01:34:32,167
Was it only Brazilians or Americans?
1971
01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:34,377
Only Americans. Only.
1972
01:34:35,128 --> 01:34:38,256
The Brazilians supported
1973
01:34:38,339 --> 01:34:40,091
only the ground operation.
1974
01:34:40,341 --> 01:34:43,845
What was collected
1975
01:34:44,137 --> 01:34:45,221
is not known.
1976
01:34:45,305 --> 01:34:47,474
But something was collected.
1977
01:34:48,266 --> 01:34:50,768
And how does he know
that the Americans were involved?
1978
01:34:50,977 --> 01:34:53,980
How do you know Americans were involved?
1979
01:34:54,481 --> 01:34:56,399
Because they landed,
1980
01:34:57,358 --> 01:35:00,695
uh, without authorization
of the Brazilian government.
1981
01:35:00,778 --> 01:35:02,238
It was a secret mission.
1982
01:35:03,448 --> 01:35:05,158
And it was a USAF airplane.
1983
01:35:09,287 --> 01:35:11,456
In December of 2022,
1984
01:35:11,539 --> 01:35:13,541
our team filed a FOIA,
1985
01:35:13,625 --> 01:35:16,085
Freedom of Information Act request,
1986
01:35:16,211 --> 01:35:19,214
for all U.S. government
flights during the period
1987
01:35:19,297 --> 01:35:24,093
of 14 January to 28 January 1996
1988
01:35:24,177 --> 01:35:26,262
to and from Campinas,
1989
01:35:26,346 --> 01:35:28,681
and Sao Paulo State, Brazil.
1990
01:35:29,599 --> 01:35:32,685
Three years later,
the CIA sent us a response.
1991
01:36:10,348 --> 01:36:13,101
It was 9:00 in the evening.
1992
01:36:13,685 --> 01:36:15,603
The girls were already asleep.
1993
01:36:16,437 --> 01:36:19,023
And... there was a knock on the door.
1994
01:36:19,274 --> 01:36:21,526
And I innocently opened the door,
1995
01:36:21,609 --> 01:36:22,944
thinking it could be
1996
01:36:23,236 --> 01:36:25,488
one of the researchers
who had been here earlier.
1997
01:36:25,572 --> 01:36:26,614
Ubirajara,
1998
01:36:26,698 --> 01:36:28,408
or Pacaccini, for example.
1999
01:36:30,535 --> 01:36:32,870
But then, four men walked in
2000
01:36:32,954 --> 01:36:34,455
that I'd never seen before.
2001
01:36:34,539 --> 01:36:36,499
All dressed in black.
2002
01:36:38,376 --> 01:36:39,836
One was carrying
2003
01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:41,879
a briefcase.
2004
01:36:42,505 --> 01:36:45,174
Another had a clipboard, telling me,
2005
01:36:45,883 --> 01:36:47,427
"Shut the door, shut the door!"
2006
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:49,012
That scared me.
2007
01:36:52,473 --> 01:36:54,017
Then one of them said to me,
2008
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:55,977
"Mrs. Luiza, we are here..."
2009
01:36:56,060 --> 01:36:57,687
Only one of them spoke,
2010
01:36:57,770 --> 01:37:00,690
one took notes,
and the others were silent,
2011
01:37:01,107 --> 01:37:02,650
just listening.
2012
01:37:03,192 --> 01:37:04,861
"We are here
2013
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,114
to make a great proposal to you
2014
01:37:08,740 --> 01:37:09,907
because
2015
01:37:09,991 --> 01:37:12,994
you can become very rich now,
if you want."
2016
01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:15,830
I did not understand it at all.
2017
01:37:15,913 --> 01:37:18,207
I was just getting ready for bed.
2018
01:37:18,708 --> 01:37:20,793
I asked, "What is this all about?"
2019
01:37:21,002 --> 01:37:23,546
"You tell the girls...
2020
01:37:24,631 --> 01:37:26,716
...they saw nothing."
2021
01:37:27,842 --> 01:37:29,677
"The money in this briefcase,
2022
01:37:29,761 --> 01:37:31,054
which will be given to you,
2023
01:37:31,137 --> 01:37:33,139
can only be spent outside of Brazil."
2024
01:37:34,307 --> 01:37:35,642
Then I said, "Mister,
2025
01:37:36,225 --> 01:37:37,852
I cannot do that.
2026
01:37:37,935 --> 01:37:39,479
My daughters really saw something.
2027
01:37:39,562 --> 01:37:42,649
I cannot portray them as liars,
2028
01:37:42,732 --> 01:37:44,609
or be a liar myself."
2029
01:37:46,402 --> 01:37:49,489
"I won't agree to this deal with you.
2030
01:37:49,572 --> 01:37:51,658
Excuse me, you will get out of my house
2031
01:37:51,741 --> 01:37:52,909
or I'll call the police."
2032
01:37:53,618 --> 01:37:55,995
They insisted and insisted.
2033
01:37:56,329 --> 01:37:58,289
But suddenly they left.
2034
01:37:58,915 --> 01:38:00,875
I ran to the gate,
2035
01:38:01,376 --> 01:38:03,920
to see what kind of car they had.
2036
01:38:05,546 --> 01:38:07,507
And they were gone.
2037
01:38:08,591 --> 01:38:11,302
I couldn't place them,
but they weren't from Brazil.
2038
01:38:11,719 --> 01:38:13,054
They were foreigners.
2039
01:38:27,735 --> 01:38:29,320
I pulled up to
2040
01:38:29,487 --> 01:38:30,988
a gas station
2041
01:38:31,155 --> 01:38:32,407
to have a coffee,
2042
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:34,701
so I could relax a little.
2043
01:38:35,201 --> 01:38:36,577
And then,
2044
01:38:36,661 --> 01:38:38,746
two people came up to me,
2045
01:38:39,539 --> 01:38:41,749
wearing black suits, very neat,
2046
01:38:41,833 --> 01:38:43,084
very tall people.
2047
01:38:43,501 --> 01:38:45,545
They stopped by my side and said,
2048
01:38:45,878 --> 01:38:48,089
"Are you Mr. Carlos de Sousa?
2049
01:38:48,297 --> 01:38:50,758
Married to so-and-so,
your daughter is so-and-so..."
2050
01:38:51,759 --> 01:38:53,594
They described my whole life right there.
2051
01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:55,805
I turned to the guy and said,
2052
01:38:55,888 --> 01:38:57,849
"Who are you? How do you know that?"
2053
01:39:01,269 --> 01:39:02,603
He spoke clearly to me,
2054
01:39:03,312 --> 01:39:05,398
"Look, you didn't see anything.
You shut up.
2055
01:39:05,815 --> 01:39:06,816
Go away.
2056
01:39:06,899 --> 01:39:09,277
If someone asks, you didn't see anything."
2057
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:14,115
"You don't know anything.
2058
01:39:14,198 --> 01:39:16,451
If not, things are going to get very...
2059
01:39:17,243 --> 01:39:18,786
weird for you.
2060
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:20,079
So get out of here."
2061
01:39:21,289 --> 01:39:24,083
Right then, I got... scared.
2062
01:39:29,839 --> 01:39:31,215
It was an Opala,
2063
01:39:31,507 --> 01:39:32,675
black,
2064
01:39:32,884 --> 01:39:34,552
or a very dark blue, almost black,
2065
01:39:34,761 --> 01:39:36,137
and it didn't have a license plate.
2066
01:39:36,596 --> 01:39:38,055
And then they left.
2067
01:39:39,015 --> 01:39:40,308
They disappeared.
2068
01:39:43,895 --> 01:39:45,271
"Anyone
2069
01:39:45,354 --> 01:39:47,190
who dares to...
2070
01:39:48,733 --> 01:39:50,151
...speak anything
2071
01:39:50,234 --> 01:39:54,030
about what happened or what they saw...
2072
01:39:55,531 --> 01:39:57,742
...this must never get out.
2073
01:39:58,326 --> 01:40:02,330
If anyone... talks,
2074
01:40:02,914 --> 01:40:04,791
outside these walls,
2075
01:40:05,374 --> 01:40:08,044
the punishment would be very severe."
2076
01:40:08,836 --> 01:40:09,837
Never...
2077
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,383
It was something
to be kept extremely secret,
2078
01:40:14,467 --> 01:40:16,344
of extreme importance.
2079
01:40:17,178 --> 01:40:19,972
The secret would remain for life.
2080
01:40:24,435 --> 01:40:27,563
We received an
unexpected request for a meeting
2081
01:40:27,855 --> 01:40:31,442
from the chief neurosurgeon
at Hospital Regional,
2082
01:40:32,652 --> 01:40:35,613
the same hospital where
military police officers,
2083
01:40:35,696 --> 01:40:38,324
Marco Chereze and Eric Lopes,
2084
01:40:38,407 --> 01:40:40,952
allegedly had taken the live alien
2085
01:40:41,035 --> 01:40:42,703
they'd captured on the road.
2086
01:40:43,204 --> 01:40:45,414
The doctor requested the team enter
2087
01:40:45,498 --> 01:40:48,000
by the more inconspicuous back entry.
2088
01:40:48,668 --> 01:40:49,669
No one knew why.
2089
01:40:50,044 --> 01:40:51,337
I'm gonna ask them to take us to
2090
01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:52,964
where the alien was brought.
This is
2091
01:40:53,047 --> 01:40:54,715
- Regional Hospital.
- Okay, yeah.
2092
01:40:54,799 --> 01:40:57,969
So it went Regional Hospital,
and then it went to Humanitas,
2093
01:40:58,261 --> 01:41:00,388
Humanitas, uh, ESA.
2094
01:41:00,638 --> 01:41:03,432
ESA, Campinas.
Campinas, America.
2095
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:09,981
Okay, if you're filming,
you have to wear a mask,
2096
01:41:10,064 --> 01:41:11,899
and James and I are gonna wear this.
2097
01:41:12,525 --> 01:41:13,526
Okay.
2098
01:41:13,693 --> 01:41:15,403
I'l tell you the context.
2099
01:41:15,903 --> 01:41:18,281
So let's talk about
the context, right?
2100
01:41:18,364 --> 01:41:19,407
Yes.
2101
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:21,325
Dr. Italo Venturelli,
2102
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:24,287
the head neurosurgeon
at Hospital Regional,
2103
01:41:24,704 --> 01:41:27,415
was on duty in the ICU when he had
2104
01:41:27,498 --> 01:41:30,459
the most extraordinary
encounter of his life.
2105
01:41:30,543 --> 01:41:32,378
In-- In this room, or which room?
2106
01:41:32,461 --> 01:41:33,838
-This room.
-Right here?
2107
01:41:33,921 --> 01:41:35,464
But the video you watched...
2108
01:41:35,548 --> 01:41:36,841
Holy shit.
2109
01:41:36,924 --> 01:41:39,260
The alien was alive
in this bed right there.
2110
01:41:39,427 --> 01:41:40,720
Laid here...
2111
01:41:41,053 --> 01:41:42,471
- So he saw...
- ...covered here...
2112
01:41:42,555 --> 01:41:43,806
Saw the creature
right there,
2113
01:41:43,890 --> 01:41:45,057
-while he was--
-...covered up,
2114
01:41:45,141 --> 01:41:47,393
while he was watching
the video of the surgery.
2115
01:41:47,476 --> 01:41:48,644
Covered up to here.
2116
01:41:48,769 --> 01:41:51,939
The eyes were shaped like teardrops.
2117
01:41:52,523 --> 01:41:55,276
Red. More or less red, okay?
2118
01:41:55,735 --> 01:41:57,737
It was partially covered.
2119
01:41:58,321 --> 01:41:59,447
It was here.
2120
01:41:59,530 --> 01:42:00,615
But it was alive.
2121
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,285
He looked at...
in the eyes of the creature
2122
01:42:04,368 --> 01:42:05,745
- Yes.
- in this bed,
2123
01:42:05,828 --> 01:42:07,330
- In this-- in this bed.
- and what...
2124
01:42:07,747 --> 01:42:09,457
- what did the creature say to you?
- Yes.
2125
01:42:09,540 --> 01:42:12,084
-What?
- I saw the red eyes...
2126
01:42:12,752 --> 01:42:15,296
Red eyes...
White face and red eyes...
2127
01:42:15,379 --> 01:42:17,465
From his facial expression,
he wasn't suffering.
2128
01:42:17,548 --> 01:42:21,636
-Was there any telepathic communication?
-Absolutely. Absolutely.
2129
01:42:21,802 --> 01:42:23,012
Absolutely. There.
2130
01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:26,015
Kind of communicating,
I'm okay. I've been taken care of.
2131
01:42:26,307 --> 01:42:29,143
He said,
"Yes, for sure, a communication,
2132
01:42:29,226 --> 01:42:31,646
as someone would say, 'Yes, I am okay,
2133
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:33,272
I've received care.'"
2134
01:42:33,356 --> 01:42:37,234
That's what he felt from the-- the
2135
01:42:37,318 --> 01:42:39,236
- expression of the being.
- Speak without speaking.
2136
01:42:39,403 --> 01:42:41,072
To speak without speaking.
2137
01:42:41,739 --> 01:42:42,823
-Did--
-It spoke without...
2138
01:42:42,907 --> 01:42:44,867
According to Dr. Italo,
2139
01:42:44,951 --> 01:42:48,162
a being underwent
a procedure by his colleague,
2140
01:42:48,245 --> 01:42:52,124
fellow neurosurgeon,
Dr. Marcos Vinicio Neves,
2141
01:42:52,208 --> 01:42:54,919
who died in 2018 of a heart attack.
2142
01:42:57,088 --> 01:42:59,632
So there's a being right here
2143
01:43:00,132 --> 01:43:01,342
that my colleague looked after.
2144
01:43:01,425 --> 01:43:02,593
Probably did well
2145
01:43:02,677 --> 01:43:04,136
because the being appeared tranquil.
2146
01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:06,389
His hands were relaxed.
2147
01:43:06,472 --> 01:43:08,057
Hands were smaller than ours.
2148
01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:10,142
Arms smaller than ours.
2149
01:43:10,518 --> 01:43:12,144
Face smaller than ours.
2150
01:43:12,603 --> 01:43:14,981
The body of a 7-year-old kid.
2151
01:43:15,731 --> 01:43:17,817
The body of a 7-year-old kid.
2152
01:43:19,110 --> 01:43:20,111
Did...
2153
01:43:21,070 --> 01:43:22,530
Is everything okay?
2154
01:43:25,157 --> 01:43:27,243
No, I'm here. I'll be out soon.
2155
01:43:27,952 --> 01:43:30,162
Dr. Italo decided to come forward
2156
01:43:30,246 --> 01:43:33,040
after he suffered
a near-fatal heart attack
2157
01:43:33,124 --> 01:43:35,334
a few months prior to meeting with us.
2158
01:43:36,043 --> 01:43:39,338
Now determined not to take
the secret to the grave,
2159
01:43:39,422 --> 01:43:41,340
regardless of the consequences.
2160
01:43:43,384 --> 01:43:44,593
This can create a problem for me.
2161
01:43:44,677 --> 01:43:45,886
Yes, I know doctor...
2162
01:43:45,970 --> 01:43:47,221
- That's what we didn't want.
- It's okay.
2163
01:43:47,304 --> 01:43:49,432
Would you like us to stop?
2164
01:43:49,807 --> 01:43:51,517
No, we can talk more.
2165
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,185
Here, is not a problem?
2166
01:43:53,269 --> 01:43:54,937
- Let's go outside.
- Let's go outside.
2167
01:43:58,065 --> 01:43:59,150
All of the witnesses
2168
01:43:59,233 --> 01:44:00,568
our team met with
2169
01:44:00,818 --> 01:44:04,280
still suffer under the weight
of the enforced secrecy.
2170
01:44:06,073 --> 01:44:07,742
This picture,
2171
01:44:07,908 --> 01:44:09,535
in this news article,
2172
01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:11,328
was the first time
2173
01:44:11,412 --> 01:44:12,496
that my mother
2174
01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:13,622
participated.
2175
01:44:13,706 --> 01:44:14,832
YES, WE HAVE AN E.T.
2176
01:44:14,915 --> 01:44:16,167
A REPORT OF A THIRD-DEGREE ENCOUNTER
2177
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:17,835
TURNED VARGINHA
INTO THE BRAZILIAN ROSWELL.
2178
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,004
The first and only time.
2179
01:44:20,087 --> 01:44:23,674
LOURDES AND MARTA WITH CHEREZE'S PHOTO:
"HE MUST HAVE BEEN INFECTED BY THE E.T."
2180
01:44:26,969 --> 01:44:28,929
I was outraged
2181
01:44:29,013 --> 01:44:31,390
by the attitude of the police.
2182
01:44:31,474 --> 01:44:33,392
Twenty-five years ago,
2183
01:44:33,809 --> 01:44:36,604
they came to my mother and told her
2184
01:44:36,687 --> 01:44:38,397
the story of the creature was true.
2185
01:44:38,647 --> 01:44:39,815
It happened.
2186
01:44:41,025 --> 01:44:43,819
But they couldn't admit the truth
2187
01:44:44,111 --> 01:44:45,613
to society
2188
01:44:45,738 --> 01:44:48,574
because the population would collapse.
2189
01:44:55,289 --> 01:44:56,874
If his story...
2190
01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:58,751
...is true...
2191
01:45:00,211 --> 01:45:02,129
...he is walking around
2192
01:45:02,671 --> 01:45:04,840
with a level of confirmation
2193
01:45:04,924 --> 01:45:07,927
that only a handful of people
on this planet have.
2194
01:45:08,511 --> 01:45:11,180
What does that feel like?
2195
01:45:12,056 --> 01:45:14,850
I remember Marco's words when I met him.
2196
01:45:14,934 --> 01:45:17,978
One of the first things he said to me was,
2197
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:20,648
"Wow man, I wish I was in your place.
2198
01:45:21,941 --> 01:45:23,526
I wish I was in your place
2199
01:45:23,859 --> 01:45:25,277
because you
2200
01:45:25,694 --> 01:45:28,405
lived something I dream of living."
2201
01:45:29,198 --> 01:45:30,908
And, to be honest,
2202
01:45:30,991 --> 01:45:33,035
I'm indifferent to that;
2203
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:34,954
It's not something I'm attracted to.
2204
01:45:35,871 --> 01:45:38,707
It'd a story, it's something I've lived
2205
01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:41,961
that's significant to a lot of people,
2206
01:45:43,462 --> 01:45:45,631
to the world, to humankind.
2207
01:45:46,298 --> 01:45:47,424
But,
2208
01:45:47,508 --> 01:45:50,594
while you look for it, search for it,
2209
01:45:51,220 --> 01:45:53,264
I wish I hadn't lived it.
2210
01:45:53,806 --> 01:45:54,849
Honestly.
2211
01:45:54,932 --> 01:45:56,267
I wish I hadn't lived it
2212
01:45:56,350 --> 01:45:58,602
because it caused me
a lot of complications,
2213
01:45:58,686 --> 01:45:59,937
lots of problems.
2214
01:46:00,104 --> 01:46:03,357
I shared all my private issues to Marco.
2215
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:04,483
Marco knows.
2216
01:46:04,608 --> 01:46:06,360
I had lots of problems.
2217
01:46:11,031 --> 01:46:14,577
We wish it hadn't been us
2218
01:46:14,743 --> 01:46:18,622
because we went through a lot together.
2219
01:46:18,831 --> 01:46:21,208
And a lot of mockery,
2220
01:46:21,292 --> 01:46:22,668
-Right? To this day.
-Still to this day.
2221
01:46:22,751 --> 01:46:25,629
Today we can see this
2222
01:46:26,255 --> 01:46:28,048
from a different perspective.
2223
01:46:37,183 --> 01:46:39,768
May 8th, 1996.
2224
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:43,105
With mounting pressure
from media and witnesses,
2225
01:46:43,397 --> 01:46:47,026
the military base, ESA,
holds a press conference.
2226
01:46:47,443 --> 01:46:49,653
General Lima addresses the crowd.
2227
01:46:49,737 --> 01:46:52,406
We have nothing to hide.
2228
01:46:53,616 --> 01:46:55,492
- Did it happen?
- What were you guys
2229
01:46:55,576 --> 01:46:56,911
doing that day?
2230
01:46:58,329 --> 01:46:59,330
We were working
2231
01:46:59,872 --> 01:47:01,665
for the Army and the Nation.
2232
01:47:02,208 --> 01:47:04,293
Can you prove it?
2233
01:47:05,294 --> 01:47:06,378
Prove to whom?
2234
01:47:06,462 --> 01:47:07,838
To the press.
2235
01:47:08,505 --> 01:47:10,799
- Why?
- Don't you want to prove
2236
01:47:10,883 --> 01:47:12,009
the facts?
2237
01:47:12,092 --> 01:47:13,260
I don't have to prove what I said.
2238
01:47:13,344 --> 01:47:14,970
I've already said everything
I'm going to say.
2239
01:47:17,765 --> 01:47:19,683
They wanted to keep us
quiet about this story.
2240
01:47:21,810 --> 01:47:23,896
That it wasn't an E.T., that it's crazy,
2241
01:47:23,979 --> 01:47:25,940
it was silly, or nothing.
2242
01:47:26,023 --> 01:47:27,858
Like there was no such thing.
2243
01:47:27,942 --> 01:47:30,736
That's why we don't bring up police,
2244
01:47:30,819 --> 01:47:32,613
ESA, anything like that.
2245
01:47:39,411 --> 01:47:42,081
Do you think I would be embarrassed
2246
01:47:42,164 --> 01:47:43,582
for 26 years?
2247
01:47:44,166 --> 01:47:45,793
People, family members
2248
01:47:46,168 --> 01:47:47,753
joking, making fun of me?
2249
01:47:48,712 --> 01:47:50,047
I would never do that.
2250
01:47:50,923 --> 01:47:52,341
What did I get out of this? Nothing.
2251
01:47:52,716 --> 01:47:54,260
I never made a dollar off of it.
2252
01:47:54,343 --> 01:47:56,845
There is no advantage to be gained.
2253
01:47:57,304 --> 01:47:59,098
If I say I made a cent,
2254
01:47:59,181 --> 01:48:00,224
I'd be lying.
2255
01:48:07,481 --> 01:48:09,191
Unfortunately,
2256
01:48:09,275 --> 01:48:10,859
I come from
2257
01:48:11,568 --> 01:48:12,861
an institution that
2258
01:48:13,696 --> 01:48:14,989
I cannot expose.
2259
01:48:17,324 --> 01:48:18,784
You now hold,
2260
01:48:19,243 --> 01:48:20,286
practically,
2261
01:48:20,786 --> 01:48:23,497
my peace in your hands.
2262
01:48:23,747 --> 01:48:25,165
Could I make a lot of money?
2263
01:48:25,249 --> 01:48:26,333
Yes.
2264
01:48:26,417 --> 01:48:27,793
I could write my story,
2265
01:48:29,086 --> 01:48:30,337
but
2266
01:48:30,421 --> 01:48:33,215
I met Marco and promised him that I
2267
01:48:33,299 --> 01:48:35,175
would give one last statement.
2268
01:48:35,676 --> 01:48:36,802
Okay?
2269
01:48:36,885 --> 01:48:38,012
And...
2270
01:48:38,095 --> 01:48:40,514
I thank you for giving me
2271
01:48:40,597 --> 01:48:42,099
this opportunity to speak.
2272
01:48:42,683 --> 01:48:45,519
May you continue researching.
2273
01:48:45,602 --> 01:48:48,731
Don't ever be discouraged.
2274
01:48:50,691 --> 01:48:52,568
Don't let this go.
2275
01:48:54,862 --> 01:48:57,281
The producers didn't let it go,
2276
01:48:57,364 --> 01:49:00,534
returning to Brazil multiple times since.
2277
01:49:01,327 --> 01:49:03,746
So there's a being right here, uh,
2278
01:49:04,413 --> 01:49:06,665
exposed to our environment.
2279
01:49:07,124 --> 01:49:09,835
After several
minutes of interaction with the being,
2280
01:49:10,294 --> 01:49:13,797
in this exact ICU at Hospital Regional,
2281
01:49:14,381 --> 01:49:18,802
Dr. Italo told us the military
burst in and took the being,
2282
01:49:19,303 --> 01:49:21,221
then threatened the hospital staff
2283
01:49:21,305 --> 01:49:22,639
to remain silent.
2284
01:49:23,015 --> 01:49:24,892
People are... "Wow!"
2285
01:49:25,476 --> 01:49:27,936
That's why we never talked about it.
2286
01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:29,730
That's why he's saying he should...
2287
01:49:31,857 --> 01:49:33,776
Explain the documentary...
2288
01:49:34,568 --> 01:49:37,905
Can you explain to the documentary
that we have to do...
2289
01:49:38,781 --> 01:49:41,116
- I just wanna get...
- Lots of politics.
2290
01:49:41,283 --> 01:49:42,284
Oh.
2291
01:49:44,620 --> 01:49:46,789
He sensed intelligence.
2292
01:49:47,289 --> 01:49:48,707
An-- An intelligence.
2293
01:49:49,124 --> 01:49:51,585
Intelligence?
Much higher than mine.
2294
01:49:52,753 --> 01:49:55,422
A lot higher intelligence than his.
2295
01:49:55,881 --> 01:49:57,758
Although he needed us,
2296
01:49:57,841 --> 01:50:00,969
he had control of the room.
2297
01:50:02,262 --> 01:50:04,640
Ask him how it feels to be
sharing this information
2298
01:50:04,723 --> 01:50:06,058
after 29 years.
2299
01:50:06,308 --> 01:50:09,353
How do you feel
about sharing this information...
2300
01:50:09,436 --> 01:50:10,854
I feel like crying.
2301
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:13,816
Feels like crying.
2302
01:50:17,236 --> 01:50:18,237
Excuse me.
2303
01:50:20,864 --> 01:50:22,074
It was a magnificent being.
2304
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:24,618
It's different from us.
2305
01:50:24,701 --> 01:50:25,869
No evil intentions.
2306
01:50:27,121 --> 01:50:28,789
I felt zero evil intentions.
2307
01:50:29,957 --> 01:50:32,501
He saw zero malice on this being.
2308
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:34,837
An angel.
2309
01:50:35,129 --> 01:50:36,296
An angel.
2310
01:50:36,713 --> 01:50:37,714
Oh.
2311
01:50:42,803 --> 01:50:43,971
An angel.
2312
01:50:44,388 --> 01:50:45,472
An angel.
2313
01:50:52,146 --> 01:50:53,480
- Uh...
- Thanks.
2314
01:50:53,564 --> 01:50:55,107
I would not be coming back
2315
01:50:55,566 --> 01:50:57,651
for 15 years if I didn't believe it.
2316
01:50:58,485 --> 01:51:01,697
He wouldn't
be coming back for 15 years
2317
01:51:01,780 --> 01:51:03,073
if he didn't believe it.
2318
01:51:03,657 --> 01:51:04,741
Clearly.
2319
01:51:09,455 --> 01:51:10,789
You can believe.
2320
01:51:11,540 --> 01:51:13,959
- You can believe.
- You can believe it.
2321
01:51:14,042 --> 01:51:16,670
We have a lot to learn
through the eyes of that being.
2322
01:51:18,046 --> 01:51:22,092
We have so much to learn
in the eyes of this being.
2323
01:52:29,201 --> 01:52:30,327
Where's the proof?
2324
01:52:30,786 --> 01:52:32,829
We have alien spaceships
in our possession.
2325
01:52:32,913 --> 01:52:34,206
- Mm-hmm.
- We have bodies.
2326
01:52:34,289 --> 01:52:35,999
Where and why can't I get
2327
01:52:36,083 --> 01:52:38,168
-the specifics to verify those claims?
-Okay...
2328
01:52:38,502 --> 01:52:40,546
If the President of the United States...
2329
01:52:41,255 --> 01:52:42,798
...issued an executive order...
2330
01:52:43,549 --> 01:52:44,758
...that...
2331
01:52:46,218 --> 01:52:50,347
...absolves me of all of my TSSCI NDAs.
2332
01:52:51,181 --> 01:52:53,225
NDAs are non-disclosure agreements.
2333
01:52:53,308 --> 01:52:54,768
Those are the agreements we have to sign
2334
01:52:54,851 --> 01:52:58,564
for every compartment
in our SCI clearances.
2335
01:52:59,189 --> 01:53:02,776
So, if the President waives
2336
01:53:02,943 --> 01:53:07,281
or absolves my obligation to those NDAs
2337
01:53:07,864 --> 01:53:10,576
and I get subpoenaed by Congress,
some-- somebody on Capitol Hill,
2338
01:53:10,659 --> 01:53:13,036
some committee either in the
Senate or the House or the both,
2339
01:53:13,787 --> 01:53:15,872
to reveal everything I know
2340
01:53:15,956 --> 01:53:18,000
that I learned from my investigations,
2341
01:53:18,083 --> 01:53:20,002
both unclassified and classified,
2342
01:53:20,085 --> 01:53:23,338
into the legacy UAP, crash retrieval
2343
01:53:23,422 --> 01:53:27,175
and hardware reverse engineering
and NI-- NHI programs,
2344
01:53:27,342 --> 01:53:28,343
I would do so.
2345
01:53:28,427 --> 01:53:30,095
If I could be waived from that
2346
01:53:30,178 --> 01:53:31,346
or absolved in some fashion
2347
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:32,889
by a presidential order
2348
01:53:33,056 --> 01:53:34,391
and if Congress subpoenas me,
2349
01:53:34,474 --> 01:53:36,143
yes, I would go and
tell them everything I know.
2350
01:53:53,285 --> 01:53:55,662
Hello, I'm Vitório Pacaccini.
2351
01:53:56,371 --> 01:53:58,624
I am one of the
leading investigators
2352
01:53:58,874 --> 01:54:01,918
of the Varginha incident
since the very beginning.
2353
01:54:02,002 --> 01:54:05,464
I know and I saw with my own eyes
2354
01:54:05,547 --> 01:54:08,216
an alien creature kept in captivity
2355
01:54:08,300 --> 01:54:11,511
and there's... 35-second video.
2356
01:54:12,220 --> 01:54:15,098
It was right there,
one of the alien creatures
2357
01:54:15,182 --> 01:54:19,728
with two militaries holding
the creature by the shoulders.
2358
01:54:20,020 --> 01:54:25,233
The creature was really ill,
was not feeling good at all.
2359
01:54:25,651 --> 01:54:29,071
They tried to give the creature
some fruit and water.
2360
01:54:29,154 --> 01:54:30,405
It didn't accept.
2361
01:54:30,614 --> 01:54:35,077
And the reason why they
filmed this creature
2362
01:54:35,619 --> 01:54:40,832
without superior authorization
is because they were pretty mad
2363
01:54:40,916 --> 01:54:43,960
that the American militaries
were coming to Brazil
2364
01:54:44,044 --> 01:54:45,671
to take all these materials,
2365
01:54:45,754 --> 01:54:48,548
not only the pictures, the footage,
2366
01:54:48,632 --> 01:54:52,135
but the creatures itself
and the spacecraft,
2367
01:54:53,011 --> 01:54:54,721
as they took it to the United States.
2368
01:54:54,888 --> 01:54:58,517
So, some other military's, friend of mine,
2369
01:54:59,351 --> 01:55:02,604
had the chance, without authorization,
2370
01:55:02,854 --> 01:55:04,314
to make this movie.
2371
01:55:04,856 --> 01:55:07,067
And right now, I'm willing to put
2372
01:55:07,150 --> 01:55:09,986
my right hand tomorrow on a Bible
2373
01:55:10,112 --> 01:55:13,824
and take a live public lie detector test
2374
01:55:13,907 --> 01:55:16,910
that everything
I'm telling you is the truth.
2375
01:55:37,222 --> 01:55:40,976
The accumulation of aspects,
the girls who saw something,
2376
01:55:41,059 --> 01:55:43,103
the other people in the town
who saw something,
2377
01:55:43,562 --> 01:55:45,731
this wasn't an isolated event
where you got
2378
01:55:45,814 --> 01:55:48,108
one witness saying, "Oh, I saw
something extraordinary."
2379
01:55:48,734 --> 01:55:50,235
Not at all. They seemed to be
2380
01:55:50,318 --> 01:55:52,320
relatively naive young girls...
2381
01:55:53,488 --> 01:55:55,866
...and there were fire
department people involved...
2382
01:55:57,075 --> 01:55:58,952
...uh, who saw the beings too.
2383
01:55:59,327 --> 01:56:00,871
And one nice thing about it is
2384
01:56:00,954 --> 01:56:03,331
it-- it takes the ownness
away from saying,
2385
01:56:03,415 --> 01:56:05,333
"Oh, things only happen
in the United States."
2386
01:56:05,667 --> 01:56:07,711
Well, there was
a United States involvement
2387
01:56:07,794 --> 01:56:09,379
and it wouldn't surprise me if they paid
2388
01:56:09,463 --> 01:56:11,006
to pick up the wreckage and, you know,
2389
01:56:11,089 --> 01:56:13,383
all the rest of the stuff. Why not?
2390
01:56:14,301 --> 01:56:16,428
Makes sense. Cheap way to get information.
2391
01:56:16,970 --> 01:56:18,764
Let the other guy do the work.
2392
01:56:19,222 --> 01:56:21,683
I am a Second Lieutenant
2393
01:56:21,767 --> 01:56:23,602
in the Brazilian Army Reserve,
2394
01:56:23,852 --> 01:56:25,520
and through my contacts,
2395
01:56:25,604 --> 01:56:28,482
the sergeant who
worked with me at the time,
2396
01:56:28,815 --> 01:56:33,236
told me the boxes containing the entities
2397
01:56:33,570 --> 01:56:38,867
were taken to the Army Base in Campinas.
2398
01:56:39,034 --> 01:56:42,329
And from there went
to Clinics Hospital in Unicamp,
2399
01:56:42,537 --> 01:56:46,333
where they secured the perimeter,
2400
01:56:46,833 --> 01:56:49,461
and began the examination with the team.
2401
01:56:49,544 --> 01:56:51,254
And then the Americans came
2402
01:56:51,338 --> 01:56:52,881
and took the
2403
01:56:53,298 --> 01:56:55,050
entities that were in the boxes
2404
01:56:55,133 --> 01:56:56,510
to the United States.
2405
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:18,907
People ask why Varginha
2406
01:57:18,990 --> 01:57:21,117
wasn't treated like other cases.
2407
01:57:21,451 --> 01:57:24,079
Probably because
it's the most important case
2408
01:57:24,162 --> 01:57:26,540
in which there was cooperation
2409
01:57:26,623 --> 01:57:28,124
between Brazil and the United States.
2410
01:57:28,625 --> 01:57:30,210
It's always going to be our word,
2411
01:57:30,293 --> 01:57:31,419
against everyone else's.
2412
01:57:31,545 --> 01:57:33,797
But there are still things
to be uncovered.
2413
01:57:34,381 --> 01:57:35,674
A mystery that remains.
2414
01:58:16,464 --> 01:58:18,383
I believe that the Varginha case
2415
01:58:18,466 --> 01:58:21,428
is much more important today
because it is more recent
2416
01:58:21,887 --> 01:58:24,639
and some of the events
have not unfolded yet.
2417
01:58:24,973 --> 01:58:26,808
Did she have any connection
with the eyes?
2418
01:58:26,892 --> 01:58:28,059
Did she make any--
2419
01:58:28,143 --> 01:58:31,104
Like, feel as she saw eye to eye with--
2420
01:58:31,187 --> 01:58:32,230
with-- with the being.
2421
01:58:32,355 --> 01:58:33,356
Mm-hmm.
2422
01:58:34,524 --> 01:58:36,610
"Take me out of here, I am suffering."
2423
01:58:38,403 --> 01:58:41,448
Me and Kátia wanted to stay,
but Liliane didn't let us.
2424
01:58:42,449 --> 01:58:45,827
People joke about this
but this is very serious.
2425
01:58:59,591 --> 01:59:01,760
Everything that happened to me
2426
01:59:01,843 --> 01:59:03,887
was because of what happened
at Maiolini farm.
2427
01:59:04,095 --> 01:59:05,972
That's where
2428
01:59:06,056 --> 01:59:07,432
this whole story began,
2429
01:59:08,308 --> 01:59:10,018
that's where it all started,
2430
01:59:10,393 --> 01:59:11,686
at Maiolini farm.
2431
01:59:13,647 --> 01:59:17,317
Were there live aliens seen
walking around this town?
2432
01:59:18,568 --> 01:59:19,945
Unfortunately,
2433
01:59:20,028 --> 01:59:21,988
I didn't see it, but I believe it.
2434
01:59:22,322 --> 01:59:23,323
Mm-hmm.
2435
01:59:24,157 --> 01:59:28,453
I have deal with
this case in 1996
2436
01:59:28,745 --> 01:59:31,414
because I have some
friends f-- from there.
2437
01:59:31,790 --> 01:59:33,208
He told that, "Oh,
2438
01:59:33,291 --> 01:59:35,710
you don't know what is true,
2439
01:59:35,794 --> 01:59:37,545
but I know what I saw."
2440
02:00:04,906 --> 02:00:07,075
The reason why they
haven't made overt contact
2441
02:00:07,158 --> 02:00:08,493
is because we're so aggressive.
2442
02:00:14,416 --> 02:00:15,417
Come on.
2443
02:00:19,170 --> 02:00:22,132
Exactly, this is the question!
2444
02:00:22,966 --> 02:00:24,050
Why?
2445
02:00:24,134 --> 02:00:25,552
They don't make contact.
2446
02:00:25,635 --> 02:00:26,886
Why?
2447
02:00:29,973 --> 02:00:32,350
Would that smell make a good perfume?
2448
02:00:40,900 --> 02:00:43,403
Could that smell be a perfume?
2449
02:00:43,862 --> 02:00:44,863
Yes, it could.
2450
02:00:45,447 --> 02:00:47,073
If it were like this...
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