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WOMAN: It was Frieze week in London, which is, I suppose,
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the week in the London calendar,
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when everyone in the art world is in town,
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and the contemporary evening auctions
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are the biggest in London.
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And this was Sotheby's.
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WOMAN: It was a huge sale, 60-odd lots.
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And this Banksy was positioned right at the end,
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the last lot of the evening.
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MAN: I was bidding for the Banksy, The Girl with Balloon,
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and it was the one that everyone connect Banksy to.
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It was the year before, so I think in 2017,
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it was rated as the UK's Most Favorite Art Piece.
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For me, you know, from a collectors point of view
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and a dealers point of view, it's the Holy Grail.
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The estimate being quite low, that's encourage the bidding.
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And there was a lot of energy, it was a big sale.
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We went up to 650 pounds. Stopped there.
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Then towards the end,
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I think there was about two or three bidders left.
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Eight hundred thousand.
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Last chance at eight hundred and fifty thousand pounds.
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Eight sixty!
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[crowd murmurs]
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And sold for eight hundred and fifty thousand.
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[crowd applauds]
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And then when the hammer comes down that's
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always very loud because it clearly demarcates the fact
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that the work is sold.
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[crowd applauds]
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[beeping]
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[crowd murmuring and gasping]
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ANNY: It all happened in sort of like a split second.
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The gavel came down.
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The alarm started beeping.
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Everyone attention, everyone turning around,
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and all the mobile phones going up.
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What's happening?
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Is that some sort of fire alarm?
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Is someone trying to steal the painting?
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AUCTIONEER: Ladies and gentlemen, sorry for having your attention.
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It stopped half-way and two technicians were sort of ushered
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out to take it away.
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And usually they would have white gloves on,
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and they didn't.
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So there was kind of an indication
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that this wasn't expected.
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Was this a prank by Banksy?
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Is this a real Banksy?
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Is this pure genius or?
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It wasn't that the painting fell out
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because the frame was broken.
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It was choreographed.
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Knowing that Banksy is a great provocateur,
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immediately the question was,
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was Banksy in the sale room himself?
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And it seems that he was, but again, unproven.
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So this is what keeps you guessing,
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Who is he? Where is he? Is he here?
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Is he, you knows?
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He wasn't in the room.
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But I.
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INTERVIEWER: How do you know?
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I...
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Well I don't know, but I saw the person
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who activated the alarm.
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He had a briefcase with some mechanical machines in there.
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There was a man with some sort-- not disguised but, you know,
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dark glasses and a hat.
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He was wearing sunglasses, yes.
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And he was wearing a hat, I think.
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[chuckles] It's like a comedy.
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It's like a pastiche.
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It's like a caricature.
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Was this a prank?
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Was this a stunt?
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Or is this art?
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MAN 3: It was a major art statement.
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Is it the price that makes art worthwhile?
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Or is it because you look at it and think: this is brilliant.
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ANNY: The art world is very snobby.
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To most people it's impenetrable
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and Banksy punches through that wall.
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It's like a massive ‘fuck you' to the art world.
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It is!
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Sorry, am I allowed to say fuck?
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His works are support the underdog,
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fighting against neoliberalism and capitalism.
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He created a new way of selling, marketing, talking.
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He alerted the generation to the ills of the society.
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AUCTIONEER: And selling for eight million five hundred thousand pounds.
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Congradulations.
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[anvil strikes]
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Nobody has been that famous and yet invisible.
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REPORTER: NYPD would like to arrest him.
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But just have a look
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at how ordinary New Yorkers are responding.
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Everyone's trying to own a bit of Banksy.
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WOMAN: Banksy! Hey!
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Fuck off!
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KAYLE: It's a sad day for people,
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the Banksy has been removed from the wall of the--
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CROWD: Bring back Banksy!
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What do we want?
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Banksy back!
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When do we want it?
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Now!
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It's just a massive all circus!
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99.9% of the world's population,
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have no idea who Banksy is, or what he looks like.
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STEVE: People think that the anonymity was a slight smart marketing
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trick by Banksy, move of pure genius.
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And it was.
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But it wasn't done deliberately.
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It was more self preservation than self promotion.
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WILL: How urgently he was wanted by the police, I don't know,
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but he was certainly painting on walls, and that's a crime.
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Originally, anonymity was completely essential for him.
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[crowd cheering]
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Banksy shows that if you do want to be anonymous, you can.
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STEVE: He is probably in the Kardassian age,
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the only person that doesn't want to be famous.
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[indistinct chatter]
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He's almost kind of unofficial spokesperson for people, I mean,
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we all would like our politicians
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to speak our language,
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but they don't on the whole.
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Deep down people feel like, he's an everyday person
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and people can relate to that.
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He's one of us, you know.
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Keep the mask as it is, then that's fine, we can project.
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It's easy, simplistic message that you can get
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when you come past on a bus.
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You just pass on the train.
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You're walking down the street.
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They are bold enough to be seen from the moon.
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STEVE: Between the humour, politics
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and the simplicity of the message,
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he managed to capture everybody.
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From small children to grandparents.
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It's like, it sucked in everybody.
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ROBIN: Banksy is the voice, shouting out,
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screaming against what was happening in society.
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There were more and more arrests, stop and search,
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there were more and more security cameras,
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we would be monitored, you'd be monitored through your phone,
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you'd be monitored on the street.
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It was was him,
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a single voice bringing all these other voices together.
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[crowd shouting]
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[thunder rumbling]
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[church bells]
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So, welcome along everyone
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to the Bristol street art
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and graffiti art guided walking tour
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where this morning you will be discovering
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why Bristol is the street art and graffiti capital
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of the UK, possibly of Europe too.
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Plus, there's insights into the life and work of Banksy,
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not Bansky.
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It's Banksy, which is based upon his original artist's name,
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which was Robin Banks, which is far too long,
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so he shorted his name down to Banksy.
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And the artist we've all heard of
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was born from that very moment.
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ROBIN: This young guy from Bristol spread his message
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throughout London.
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And it was those very early stencils in London
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that just hadn't been seen before.
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So it was like a new voice in a bigger city.
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It started really in 2002.
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I was sat in my photography gallery,
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and an art dealer who I knew came in,
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and he had a roll the size of this of Banksy prints,
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and they were all Rude coppers.
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He pealed one off, put it down on my desk and said,
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"Do you wanna buy these?"
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It was a picture of a copper holding his finger up like this,
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called rude copper, and I didn't get it.
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Within two weeks, I realised my mistake,
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and then suddenly these works were taking off,
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and kids were going in to these this pop-up shows
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that Banksy would do,
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buying these prints, going straight back to their digs,
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getting on their computer, getting on to E-Bay,
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and flipping it off for profit.
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And create this crazy market that took off
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at such an exponential speed,
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it was quite shocking to watch.
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ROBIN: And I kick myself to this day that I wasn't in early enough
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to understand it because I'd be a lot healthier.
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STEVE: The trajectory of his career
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is aligned for that of the Internet,
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because for the first time ever,
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suddenly there was a tool that these artists couldn't get
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representation by the galleries and weren't being accepted by
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the museums suddenly their careers flew
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because they could get their work out.
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What museum, a gallery in the world
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can bring you that kind of audience?
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REPORTER: Painting walls isn't enough for Bansky anymore.
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A graffitied elephant, a star of this American show.
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REPORTER: A step away from street art,
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this is Banksy's graffiti rendered into 3D.
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Banksy says this is a different kind of family day out.
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Welcome to Dismaland.
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Enjoy.
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STEVE: He is the most famous artist
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in any point of art history.
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You might have Leonardo da Vinci
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and a couple of others might come close.
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But in terms of the most recognizable artist today,
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worldwide is Banksy.
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[indistinct chatter]
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FEMALE REPORTER: UK graffiti artist Banksy has moved here for a month
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and he has promised to surprise the city everyday
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with a new piece of work.
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His canvases are cars and city walls,
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his fans and New-York detectives alike,
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combing the city in a hunt for the murals.
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He basically did, you know, a gallery exhibit
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on the streets of New York and nothing was for sale.
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That did get the city kind of Banksy crazy,
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like a Banksy would appear and everybody would turn up
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and taking pictures in front of it.
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Head down a bit. Head down a bit.
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MICHAEL: Every morning there was like a new Banksy.
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Which is pretty cool!
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Hoping we can spot it here.
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WOMAN: Ok here it is.
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FAN: I'm looking all around for him.
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Just driving around earlier today, find this one.
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So awesome.
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REPORTER: Banksy has taken the big Apple by storm.
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[siren wailing]
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Where is Banksy? Where is Banksy?
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That's the only thing that New York City was talking about.
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I haven't seen that kind of excitement in the city
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about something going on.
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And yet I've lived here my entire life.
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My my wife's cousin called me around 9:00-9:30
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in the morning and said, you know, you have a Banksy.
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I said, "Oh shit, really?"
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He said yes, and I said, "That's pretty cool,
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let me go see."
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So I walked over here and I looked
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then all of a sudden I see we have a Banksy.
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[♪♪♪]
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And there's hundreds of people and I see there's news teams
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starting to show up.
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So we took my building engineer
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and we've got a big piece of Plexiglas.
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We came over here
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and then people started yelling and screaming,
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"What are you doing?
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You're defacing you know, you're defacing the Banksy."
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And I'm like, "No, no, no.
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I'm the general manager of Zabars.
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Zabars owns this building.
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We want to protect it."
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And then we got a standing ovation.
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[laughing]
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It was like everything changed in a second.
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I think it's a miracle, because he never got caught
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and he's has been doing it his whole career.
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He's under the radar.
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He's like Superman.
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You just can't catch him.
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"You are running up to somebody's property
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or public property and defacing it
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is not my definition of art."
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Graffiti does ruining people properties
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and is a sign of decay and loss of control.
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So, the Mayor may be contentious.
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The NYPD would like to arrest him.
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[police siren wailing]
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MICHAEL: There was a catch me if you can element too and that's weird:
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with all the surveillance and everything else,
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you never saw like surveillance footage of him
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actually doing his work.
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I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be Banksy.
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To wake up every morning knowing
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that the very tenant of your existence,
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the core of what you are is at threat every day.
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Every day, you pick up a newspaper,
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every day you turn the radio or television on,
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it could be game over.
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As a journalism student, I had to come up with ideas
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and articles and that would attract attention online.
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Me being stupid, me being young, me being above an idea,
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I was like "Fuck it,
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why don't I go after the biggest story of the world?
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Not like, who killed JFK?
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But, something everybody can connect to,
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something everybody is interested in: Who is banksy?
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If anyone is going to find out who Banksy is,
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why can't it be some guy in his pants,
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on a Sunday in his house,
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a student, typing up like a hacker!
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I felt like I was a hacker.
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I'm like the overweight guy, eating McDonalds, you know.
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This all started on January 28th 2016.
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I went to see Massive Attack in Glasgow.
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The show was amazing, although I was very drunk.
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I thought to myself: "Holy shit, Massive Attack are from Bristol,
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Banksy's from Bristol!"
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It was a general consensus that
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they operate in the same world,
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and I was like: "Ok let's me see if I can find something,"
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[♪♪♪]
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One of the first places that I looked at was Los Angeles, 2006.
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Because that was something that really stood out to me
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when Banksy went into DisneyLand,
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and he left a kind of human crashed doll,
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dressed as a Guantanamo Bay detainee.
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I was like: "Ok here I have a specific more or less date
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about Banksy".
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So did Massive Attack play a concert there?
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Bingo!
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Massive played two concerts, one in Anaheim
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and one in California, Los Angeles.
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[♪♪♪]
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That, for me, was a good starting point.
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And then, in 2010 Massive Attack went on concert.
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They played in San Francisco, they played in Boston.
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I looked at the newspaper reports from these cities,
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I realised that Banksy had been there almost one day before,
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or one day after.
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Ok man, there's definitely a connection being made here.
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It makes sense.
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Massive Attack comes as a one night gig in New York.
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And like for the next 30 days, the city is plastered with these
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crazy Banksy pieces.
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These kind of snippets of information,
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and connections just kept on being fed into me.
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[♪♪♪]
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In 2008, Banksy left 14 stencils around New Orleans.
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But in New Orleans, Massive Attack hadn't played a show.
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If Massive Attack won't play a concert, why was Banksy there?
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Bang!
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2008, Robert Del Naja, the singer's history
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went to New Orleans,
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to give the premiere of a documentary film
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about hurricane Katrina.
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[crowd shouting]
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STEVE: There was an anti Iraq war when Tony Blair
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was in power here.
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It was one of the biggest political rallies in history
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in the UK,
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and Banksy did a whole set of placards for that,
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called Wrong War.
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I also never realised how Robert Del Naja
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was part of a graffiti movement.
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He kind a kickstarted the movement, not only in Bristol,
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but even in the Uk.
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He was one of the original graffiti artists,
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under his old moniker of 3D.
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Banksy said: "3D was a big influence on me".
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Robert Del Naja said: "oh Banksy is a big influence on me".
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People always assume that they were friends,
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but no one suggested they were just talking about themselves.
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He was just talking about himself,
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to throw people off the chase.
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The turning point, or the point when I said to myself:
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"I've got him."
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As if I had like a net, I'm running behind Banksy
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and I was like I got him - was in Naples.
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In August 2004, Banksy left a stencil called
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"Madonna Con la Pistola".
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Robert Del Naja, funny name, Italian name,
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his dad is from Naples, and he is a crazy Napoli football fan,
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and the first time that he attended the stadium
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was almost the exact same time
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when Banksy left the stencil there.
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And that's when I said to myself "You fucking done it son."
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You know, I was like, it's him.
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It - is - him.
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Robert Del Naja is Banksy.
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REPORTER: "The world may have finally discovered the secret identity
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of the reknown guerilla street artist known as Banksy.
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A british student named Craig Williams proposed a theory
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in a blog post back in January, that Robert Del Naja,
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the electronic hip hop trio Massive Attack
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is behind the international works of art."
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Before I'd even finished my journalism course,
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I had already done the biggest thing I would ever do in my life
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as a journalist.
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So, it's pretty fucked up, but cool by another.
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[♪♪♪]
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I don't think that that makes, you know,
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Robert and Banksy the same guy.
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I mean, I would love for somebody to go deeper and say:
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"When was a Banksy done in a certain city and Massive Attack
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was completely somewhere else?
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You would never be able now to know who Banksy is.
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At least 50 to 60 percent of my time was spent trying
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to keep him anonymous.
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INTERVIEWER: How?
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All sorts of things.
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We do fake news stories.
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We were way ahead of Donald Trump on the fake news, like.
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part of it was to put out new stories,
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I put the website and everything's under my name,
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you know, lots of things we did
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that I'm not going to tell you about.
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My years with Banksy were the best years of my life.
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We lived like kings, but without any rules.
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I picked out some of my favorite over the years.
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This is my favourite portrait, that I have done.
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I think we went from there to the city farm
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and did something really weird.
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This was great.
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This was in West London and it's a good example of him
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working middle of the day, that's not a quick stencil,
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that's not five minutes done.
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That's probably an hour of him on the street,
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doing a piece with no one saying shit.
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[♪♪♪]
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There was another time where we set closed off a street
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with cones with guys with high vest jackets,
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pretending that the road was closed,
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so he can do big piece underneath a bridge.
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All sorts of various techniques.
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I've never, ever known him do anything at night.
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It's like an invisibility cloak: you put on a boiler suit
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and a high vest jacket
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and you look like you're supposed to be where you are.
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Most people just walk past.
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[♪♪♪]
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WILL: Institutions are very careful about making sure
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no one steals their paintings.
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However, they never had any interest in people
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going in there to put up a painting.
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So he sort of shuffled along, dressed in a sort of beard
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and mac and everything and put in a painting on walls.
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[♪♪♪]
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And of course, it was Banksy who put it up,
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but already there was a bit of a team with him.
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I went with him, so we did a dry run the day before.
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And we went back the next day to do it for real.
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So I had a little camcorder, so I was filming us.
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We went up steps to go to get into the Tate.
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A security guard stops me, says: "You're not allowed to film".
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Alright shit.
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It's like if we don't film it, then it's all for nothing.
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I end up flicking the lens cap off the camcorder
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and film it all with the camera down by my hip,
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just hoping that there was some footage,
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which there was in the end.
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So everything was kind of planned out
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with meticulous precision.
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Nothing was really left to chance.
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There wasn't many things that happened that weren't like
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thought through and planned.
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It's almost part of his kind of modus operandi
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to choose remote areas.
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They seem random but there are quite premeditated.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[♪♪♪]
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[♪♪♪]
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ROBIN: The work he's done in Palestine
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drawn so much world attention,
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for the young people who would have never engaged
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with what Palestine is, what Israel is,
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are suddenly aware of this.
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And I think his crusade to make that visible
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and to highlight the injustice that's happening there,
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I think is admirable.
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Banksy has set up the hotel in Bethlehem
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as a political statement.
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It's a big attraction to western holiday makers.
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REPORTER: The hotel is very special
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because it's the hotel with the worst view in the whole world.
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ROB: So it attracts these people and while they're staying there,
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they get to hear about the exact political situation
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of the Palestinian people,
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which isn't normally reflected in the television news,
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particularly well,
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or in a balanced fashion against the other side of the story.
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We had this idea of raising money for a project
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to provide fresh water for one village in Chiapas.
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The Zapatiste is an armed social movement who rose up against the
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Mexican state and against 500 years of oppression
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and I think Banksy felt an affinity for the Zapatiste cause
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as we all did.
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Banksy painted some murals in those communities,
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did his research before he went out there,
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so he looked at artistic tradition
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that there is out there.
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This was the first time he had gone abroad,
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and he had done painting abroad and tried to shine a spotlight
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on a struggle in a different part of the world.
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Of course after that he went to various other places
521
00:40:02,075 --> 00:40:03,110
around the world.
522
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:12,189
[♪♪♪]
523
00:40:17,964 --> 00:40:19,400
REPORTER: Season's Greetings was the only comment
524
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,069
from Banksy as he posts this video on line,
525
00:40:22,169 --> 00:40:24,006
confirming he was behind this gift
526
00:40:24,106 --> 00:40:26,075
to the people of Port Talbot.
527
00:40:26,175 --> 00:40:28,212
At first glance the boy's playing in the snow
528
00:40:28,313 --> 00:40:29,880
but the work expands to reveal a
529
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:32,685
burning skip and the ash it emits.
530
00:40:32,785 --> 00:40:35,055
It's the kind of political messaging that is often
531
00:40:35,155 --> 00:40:37,024
in his work and references the impact
532
00:40:37,124 --> 00:40:39,528
of Port Talbot industrial skyline.
533
00:41:12,975 --> 00:41:15,078
JAMES: I imagine that's part of the excitement
534
00:41:15,178 --> 00:41:16,279
from his point of view.
535
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:18,315
I don't know how much exploration he does,
536
00:41:18,416 --> 00:41:21,853
but to find areas knowing there will be publicity
537
00:41:21,953 --> 00:41:22,822
and excitement,
538
00:41:22,922 --> 00:41:24,791
it almost forces the media then to travel
539
00:41:24,891 --> 00:41:28,397
to these places and explore little pockets of the UK.
540
00:41:28,497 --> 00:41:30,500
So it's quite a clever concept, really,
541
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:36,641
to actually enforce people to be part of his plan.
542
00:41:36,741 --> 00:41:40,013
What did you guys think when you saw it for the first time?
543
00:41:40,113 --> 00:41:42,583
I thought that anybody can do that.
544
00:41:42,683 --> 00:41:43,518
[laughing]
545
00:41:43,618 --> 00:41:45,787
It shows I don't know anything about art.
546
00:41:45,887 --> 00:41:50,794
But the more I looked at it and I come to appreciate it now.
547
00:41:50,894 --> 00:41:52,597
[laughing]
548
00:41:52,697 --> 00:41:55,100
INTERVIEWER: Do you think Banksy is here today?
549
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,669
MAN: Is he?
550
00:41:56,769 --> 00:41:57,504
INTERVIEWER: No, I'm asking you. Do you think he's here?
551
00:41:57,604 --> 00:41:58,905
MAN: But we don't know, nobody knows.
552
00:41:59,005 --> 00:42:00,542
MAN 2: You could be interview with him?
553
00:42:00,642 --> 00:42:02,209
[laughing]
554
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:04,279
MAN: A lot of intrigue around that.
555
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:06,015
MAN 2: Yeah.
556
00:42:12,959 --> 00:42:15,062
[drill whirring]
557
00:42:21,003 --> 00:42:29,582
[♪♪♪]
558
00:42:34,489 --> 00:42:36,792
So, you know, Banksy puts an art on walls,
559
00:42:36,892 --> 00:42:39,762
in places that he thinks there will safe
560
00:42:39,862 --> 00:42:41,331
and I come along and take it away.
561
00:42:41,432 --> 00:42:43,602
[laughing]
562
00:42:43,702 --> 00:42:44,803
And that is what gives you great pleasure?
563
00:42:44,903 --> 00:42:46,271
It gives me.
564
00:42:46,372 --> 00:42:48,709
I mean, as I said I own about 20 originals.
565
00:42:48,809 --> 00:42:52,013
And the trouble is that a lot of his artworks is got tagged
566
00:42:52,113 --> 00:42:53,816
or damaged by other artists.
567
00:42:53,916 --> 00:42:55,952
So now it's the case of moving it into town,
568
00:42:56,052 --> 00:42:57,822
and then it will be permanently on display
569
00:42:57,922 --> 00:42:59,824
where people can just see it all the time.
570
00:43:00,792 --> 00:43:02,060
Bullshit!
571
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,499
If someone walks into a warehouse
572
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,638
and finds a Banksy sprayed on a gas canister, fair enough!
573
00:43:09,738 --> 00:43:12,676
But if you go around in reckoning off a public wall
574
00:43:12,776 --> 00:43:14,611
and taking it outside of somewhere,
575
00:43:14,711 --> 00:43:17,382
you're just making the city a poorer place.
576
00:43:19,184 --> 00:43:23,157
It's just a very twenty first century, self-centred,
577
00:43:23,257 --> 00:43:25,594
narcissistic thing to do.
578
00:43:25,694 --> 00:43:27,797
And they should be punished.
579
00:43:27,897 --> 00:43:30,000
Corporately death.
580
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:35,741
[♪♪♪]
581
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:40,982
There we have Banksy going to in his new home,
582
00:43:41,082 --> 00:43:46,189
but it doesn't matter, because if we turn around by here,
583
00:43:46,289 --> 00:43:49,660
we have Banksy on my wall.
584
00:43:52,097 --> 00:43:55,268
They are now moving it and putting inside the building.
585
00:43:55,368 --> 00:43:56,504
That is not street art!
586
00:43:56,604 --> 00:43:58,573
It's building art, not the same.
587
00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,310
It's got no meaning downtown.
588
00:44:01,411 --> 00:44:05,149
It was done here to cover the steelworks, it's got a meaning.
589
00:44:05,249 --> 00:44:08,120
It should be left out on the street for everybody to enjoy!
590
00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:10,023
That's why he's done it for.
591
00:44:10,123 --> 00:44:13,461
Banksy doesn't do it to sell them, you know,
592
00:44:13,561 --> 00:44:16,998
he proves that with his painting that he shredded.
593
00:44:17,098 --> 00:44:20,170
No, all they want to do is making money from it!
594
00:44:21,004 --> 00:44:23,041
I will miss him now.
595
00:44:23,141 --> 00:44:25,478
I will open my gate and what do I got?
596
00:44:25,578 --> 00:44:26,446
[chuckles]
597
00:44:26,546 --> 00:44:29,015
A big hole in the wall!
598
00:44:30,151 --> 00:44:31,753
Yes, that's not great.
599
00:44:31,853 --> 00:44:33,355
[chuckles]
600
00:44:33,456 --> 00:44:35,224
That's not good.
601
00:44:39,096 --> 00:44:42,602
Banksy is so careful about where pieces should be placed,
602
00:44:42,702 --> 00:44:46,106
and he doesn't particularly mind if they stay there
603
00:44:46,206 --> 00:44:47,842
only for a time.
604
00:44:47,942 --> 00:44:49,811
But they shouldn't be taken out of that place
605
00:44:49,911 --> 00:44:52,014
for God knows how much money!
606
00:45:13,778 --> 00:45:16,716
REPORTER: Exclusive video of guys who decided to scale
607
00:45:16,816 --> 00:45:19,586
a building, cut down a latest Banksy work and--
608
00:45:46,991 --> 00:45:49,795
Having a Banksy that's taken off the wall and being sold,
609
00:45:49,895 --> 00:45:54,068
I just think it's morally and ethically really wrong.
610
00:45:58,340 --> 00:46:02,847
For a decade, I was making money out of Banksy street works
611
00:46:02,947 --> 00:46:07,119
and I saw absolutely nothing wrong with what I was doing.
612
00:46:12,928 --> 00:46:15,832
I recall sitting in my delicatessen, down in Kent,
613
00:46:15,932 --> 00:46:17,502
and I got a call from a colleague,
614
00:46:17,602 --> 00:46:19,403
saying: Have you seen the new Banksy?
615
00:46:19,504 --> 00:46:21,106
And I was like: Really?
616
00:46:21,206 --> 00:46:22,474
Another Banksy?
617
00:46:22,575 --> 00:46:24,911
And by this point, I was, not famous for it but I was known,
618
00:46:25,012 --> 00:46:27,682
notorious, for the guy who takes Banksys away
619
00:46:27,782 --> 00:46:28,817
and upsets everyone.
620
00:46:28,917 --> 00:46:30,319
I said: Send me a picture.
621
00:46:30,419 --> 00:46:33,657
He send me a picture of this really ugly mural on the wall.
622
00:46:33,757 --> 00:46:37,161
But, I saw its potential to make considerable money.
623
00:46:41,635 --> 00:46:43,571
‘Art buff' is a an elderly lady,
624
00:46:43,671 --> 00:46:45,941
she's got one of those headsets on,
625
00:46:46,041 --> 00:46:48,578
that you go to a gallery and somebody's telling you
626
00:46:48,678 --> 00:46:49,979
what the artwork means,
627
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,087
and in the front there is a plinth and the plinth is empty.
628
00:46:57,858 --> 00:46:59,660
My intention was to make as much as money
629
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,328
as I could possibly could.
630
00:47:01,428 --> 00:47:03,499
I had good contacts at the Miami Art Fair,
631
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,401
I've been there a number of times.
632
00:47:05,502 --> 00:47:10,275
I had the credentials necessary and I agreed that we will try,
633
00:47:10,375 --> 00:47:12,912
attempt to remove the piece, with a team of guys who can
634
00:47:13,012 --> 00:47:15,783
pretty much move anything on the planet.
635
00:47:15,883 --> 00:47:23,293
[♪♪♪]
636
00:47:23,393 --> 00:47:25,329
[sea gulls]
637
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,904
I should have perhaps realized what they were going to do
638
00:47:31,004 --> 00:47:35,944
because they come in and start covering the area with scaffolds
639
00:47:36,044 --> 00:47:38,347
and chopping the Banksy out of the wall.
640
00:47:44,422 --> 00:47:45,691
[drill whirring]
641
00:47:45,791 --> 00:47:47,192
We started at about 8 o'clock in the morning.
642
00:47:47,292 --> 00:47:50,698
As the noise echoed across Folkestone,
643
00:47:50,798 --> 00:47:53,335
suddenly more and more people started appearing.
644
00:47:53,435 --> 00:47:56,105
And it was clear that they were carrying protests placards,
645
00:47:56,205 --> 00:48:00,145
they were venomously against what was going on.
646
00:48:00,245 --> 00:48:02,749
It felt like we were being robbed of Folkestone's Banksy,
647
00:48:02,849 --> 00:48:03,850
you know.
648
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:05,753
We believed it belonged to our town.
649
00:48:05,853 --> 00:48:09,123
We wanted to benefit from it and to see everyday.
650
00:48:13,029 --> 00:48:14,898
We could be quite smug: We've got a Banksy.
651
00:48:14,998 --> 00:48:15,967
Have you got a Banksy?
652
00:48:16,067 --> 00:48:17,503
It was a bit like that.
653
00:48:20,574 --> 00:48:24,178
I mean, these were relatively middle-class, working-class,
654
00:48:24,278 --> 00:48:28,250
small town folk, who suddenly turned into these sort of
655
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,355
harrows and monsters screaming abusers at my construction guys.
656
00:48:32,455 --> 00:48:35,027
I mean, it wasn't just verbal abuse, it was physical abuse.
657
00:48:35,127 --> 00:48:37,564
It was just, no, why are you taking it?
658
00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:39,099
How can it be taken away?
659
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:41,035
And I think, the fact that everyone felt it has been taken
660
00:48:41,135 --> 00:48:45,575
away for money, was even more frustrating.
661
00:48:47,243 --> 00:48:50,215
Everybody run up there, they're trying to stop it happening.
662
00:48:50,315 --> 00:48:53,152
And then Robin Barton, bank-robber as he's known,
663
00:48:53,252 --> 00:48:55,288
the galerist, he was there walking around,
664
00:48:55,388 --> 00:48:57,826
winding everybody up and telling them that he had total rights
665
00:48:57,926 --> 00:48:59,327
to take it.
666
00:48:59,427 --> 00:49:01,230
Because the more upset you are, the more noise there is.
667
00:49:01,330 --> 00:49:03,867
The more noise there is, the more media there is.
668
00:49:03,967 --> 00:49:06,571
The more media there is, the more value there is.
669
00:49:10,977 --> 00:49:12,445
It was a long, long day.
670
00:49:12,547 --> 00:49:15,483
I mean, it was fourteen hours of drilling and cutting.
671
00:49:15,584 --> 00:49:18,721
We finally pulled the last piece of the wall out,
672
00:49:18,821 --> 00:49:20,758
around about sunset.
673
00:49:20,858 --> 00:49:23,461
And off it flew, out to Miami.
674
00:49:27,568 --> 00:49:29,502
By putting it in Miami, the contrast would be
675
00:49:29,603 --> 00:49:31,372
so great from where it originally came from:
676
00:49:31,472 --> 00:49:35,278
a broken down third world town of Folkestone
677
00:49:35,378 --> 00:49:37,682
and then you've got the glitz and glamour of Miami.
678
00:49:37,782 --> 00:49:40,451
And having all the Americans staring at it was quite
679
00:49:40,552 --> 00:49:41,620
appealing to me.
680
00:49:43,556 --> 00:49:47,094
As you came into Art Miami, there was, right in the middle,
681
00:49:47,194 --> 00:49:50,265
with a price tag of half a million dollars on it.
682
00:49:53,704 --> 00:49:56,207
There's of course a certain irony about selling an artwork
683
00:49:56,307 --> 00:49:58,476
for a huge amount of money to a collector,
684
00:49:58,577 --> 00:50:01,748
about the vacuousness of the collecting of artwork
685
00:50:01,848 --> 00:50:04,585
and how value is put on art, and so on.
686
00:50:04,685 --> 00:50:06,722
But no, it was painted to go on that wall,
687
00:50:06,822 --> 00:50:11,829
it was painted to be in a urban setting and we'd actively got
688
00:50:11,929 --> 00:50:14,098
involved in trying to bring it back.
689
00:50:19,505 --> 00:50:25,882
Because it's an illegal act and put out there in the street,
690
00:50:25,982 --> 00:50:26,783
covertly, without permission, there is no
691
00:50:26,883 --> 00:50:28,385
copyright issued whatsoever.
692
00:50:28,485 --> 00:50:31,189
The person who owns that wall, that door, that window,
693
00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:34,160
that floor is the owner of that artwork.
694
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:37,732
And it gives me the right, on behalf of those freeholders,
695
00:50:37,832 --> 00:50:39,734
to sell the works.
696
00:50:39,834 --> 00:50:40,435
INTERVIEWER: So it's legal?
697
00:50:40,535 --> 00:50:43,139
It's completely legal as long as,
698
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,377
and this is the critical mess, as long as the freeholder
699
00:50:46,477 --> 00:50:49,547
can prove without question they are the freeholder.
700
00:50:49,648 --> 00:50:52,251
But that doesn't tell you who emotionally owns it.
701
00:50:52,351 --> 00:50:54,922
It's emotionally owned by the people of the town going:
702
00:50:55,023 --> 00:50:57,192
"This is Folkestone's Banksy.
703
00:50:57,292 --> 00:51:00,430
I'm from Folkestone, it's my Banksy."
704
00:51:00,530 --> 00:51:09,442
[♪♪♪]
705
00:51:11,512 --> 00:51:13,548
ROBIN: While I was sunning myself in Miami,
706
00:51:13,649 --> 00:51:16,753
and drinking I don't know what, I've got a lawyer's letter
707
00:51:16,853 --> 00:51:20,458
saying: We have discovered there is a greater freeholder,
708
00:51:20,558 --> 00:51:23,996
and that the Godden family were indeed not the freeholders
709
00:51:24,096 --> 00:51:25,232
of the building.
710
00:51:25,332 --> 00:51:28,703
At this point, it was game over.
711
00:51:32,676 --> 00:51:35,412
I was forced to dip my hands in my pocket
712
00:51:35,512 --> 00:51:37,650
and pay for it to me returned to Folkestone.
713
00:51:42,288 --> 00:51:44,892
It's good that we've got one, it's good that we kept it.
714
00:51:44,992 --> 00:51:49,866
No one can touch it now, it's our Banksy, owned by Folkestone.
715
00:51:52,536 --> 00:51:53,571
Hands off.
716
00:51:53,672 --> 00:52:02,585
[♪♪♪]
717
00:52:11,763 --> 00:52:13,966
So you can see that the whole piece looks amazing
718
00:52:14,066 --> 00:52:15,936
but if you look slightly close up and see
719
00:52:16,036 --> 00:52:17,538
that it has been chopped here.
720
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,276
The painting is cracked and it is where the saw came,
721
00:52:21,376 --> 00:52:24,948
just cut this out of the wall and that's, you know.
722
00:52:25,049 --> 00:52:28,586
The thing about Banksy is the story as much as the artwork.
723
00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:30,957
It is never just the painting, it is what happen afterwards,
724
00:52:31,057 --> 00:52:34,494
how people talk about, people demonstrating in the street,
725
00:52:34,595 --> 00:52:37,298
people saying that's ours and you can't take it.
726
00:52:37,398 --> 00:52:40,370
So, I don't mind this cuts because I think people would be
727
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:42,472
able to understand the story better
728
00:52:42,573 --> 00:52:44,909
with these little marks going through it.
729
00:52:49,515 --> 00:52:51,518
Don't mess with Folkestone that's the moral of the story,
730
00:52:51,619 --> 00:52:53,889
because we love art in this community.
731
00:52:53,989 --> 00:52:57,460
I don't feel guilty about anything I did in Folkestone.
732
00:52:57,561 --> 00:53:00,666
And whereas Banksy clearly set his stall up,
733
00:53:00,766 --> 00:53:02,869
as being the Robin Hood of the art world,
734
00:53:02,969 --> 00:53:05,673
I suddenly realised that there I was: the sheriff of Nottingham.
735
00:53:05,773 --> 00:53:08,342
I was the bad guy, he was the good guy.
736
00:53:08,442 --> 00:53:09,844
Now, I watch movies.
737
00:53:09,944 --> 00:53:10,813
Who do I want to be?
738
00:53:10,913 --> 00:53:11,781
The bad guy.
739
00:53:11,881 --> 00:53:14,550
Bansky I suppose is up here, just looking down
740
00:53:14,651 --> 00:53:18,256
at this little thing he made.
741
00:53:18,356 --> 00:53:20,559
It's just a massive old circus.
742
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:28,838
[♪♪♪]
743
00:53:28,938 --> 00:53:29,571
CROWD: What do we want?
744
00:53:29,672 --> 00:53:30,373
Banksy!
745
00:53:30,473 --> 00:53:31,408
When do we want it?
746
00:53:31,508 --> 00:53:32,644
Now!
747
00:53:32,744 --> 00:53:34,813
Save our Banksy!
748
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:42,256
Society has embraced him at such point,
749
00:53:42,356 --> 00:53:45,962
where he's become part of the establishment.
750
00:53:46,595 --> 00:53:48,498
Possibly something he'd kick against if he could,
751
00:53:48,598 --> 00:53:51,402
but I'm not sure that creating a prank at Sotheby's
752
00:53:51,502 --> 00:53:53,172
with "The girl with the balloon"
753
00:53:53,272 --> 00:53:55,475
is a good way of distancing yourself
754
00:53:55,575 --> 00:53:58,780
from all the things he dislikes.
755
00:54:00,049 --> 00:54:01,751
REPORTER: A stunt like no other.
756
00:54:01,851 --> 00:54:06,724
The iconic image known as "Girl with balloon" self-destructs.
757
00:54:06,824 --> 00:54:08,761
A Banksy painting sells at auctions for
758
00:54:08,861 --> 00:54:10,664
one point four millions.
759
00:54:10,764 --> 00:54:13,267
I'm frustrated that it didn't shred completely
760
00:54:13,367 --> 00:54:15,971
because I think a wholly shredded picture,
761
00:54:16,071 --> 00:54:19,876
with just bits and pieces, lying on the floor,
762
00:54:19,976 --> 00:54:22,312
is not worth much money.
763
00:54:22,412 --> 00:54:24,448
I mean, if the buyer got these bits and pieces,
764
00:54:24,548 --> 00:54:25,751
what is she suppose to do?
765
00:54:25,851 --> 00:54:27,721
Stick them together?
766
00:54:30,291 --> 00:54:32,293
It wasn't a destructive process.
767
00:54:32,393 --> 00:54:34,529
It was a change and of course, in the end,
768
00:54:34,629 --> 00:54:37,100
he gave the painting a new name, and a new date,
769
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,568
and now it's a different work.
770
00:54:38,669 --> 00:54:40,972
So you criticize the market but you give it
771
00:54:41,072 --> 00:54:42,742
what it wants at the same time.
772
00:54:42,842 --> 00:54:47,414
So yes, I think I found that was a bit lame really.
773
00:55:09,578 --> 00:55:10,814
After the event,
774
00:55:10,914 --> 00:55:14,218
we had probably around fifty to sixty inquiries
775
00:55:14,318 --> 00:55:17,256
on Banksy's Girl with Balloon print.
776
00:55:17,356 --> 00:55:20,828
So yes, the demand went sky high,
777
00:55:20,928 --> 00:55:24,499
especially with Girl with Balloon.
778
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,170
INTERVIEWER: Does he makes money from that?
779
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:29,373
Indirectly, I'm sure he does.
780
00:55:29,473 --> 00:55:30,842
INTERVIEWER: How?
781
00:55:30,942 --> 00:55:34,113
I can't say.
782
00:55:34,213 --> 00:55:35,448
INTERVIEWER: You can't?
783
00:55:35,548 --> 00:55:37,184
No because I'm very good friends with my collectors.
784
00:55:37,284 --> 00:55:39,888
They can't see me saying that, sorry.
785
00:55:39,988 --> 00:55:45,162
He's becoming a capitalist like his good friend Robin Barton.
786
00:55:49,835 --> 00:55:51,871
There is so much money being made, by Banksy,
787
00:55:51,971 --> 00:55:54,574
and by this entourage, and by his colleagues,
788
00:55:54,675 --> 00:55:58,214
friends that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
789
00:55:58,314 --> 00:56:00,017
that you become the very person
790
00:56:00,117 --> 00:56:02,452
that you didn't like when you started out.
791
00:56:02,553 --> 00:56:05,524
You become the person sitting in a ivory tower.
792
00:56:05,624 --> 00:56:08,695
Can you have a relevant voice when you are so removed
793
00:56:08,795 --> 00:56:11,966
from the very thing you started talking about?
794
00:56:17,507 --> 00:56:20,145
He still has an agent, he as a manager.
795
00:56:20,245 --> 00:56:22,581
Yes, there is definitely a lot of people working
796
00:56:22,681 --> 00:56:24,583
really hard to protect him.
797
00:56:25,819 --> 00:56:29,423
Banksy's not the guy who put the spray can anymore.
798
00:56:29,523 --> 00:56:31,660
He's a lot bigger than that.
799
00:56:38,003 --> 00:56:42,743
Banksy is so famous now and he keeps putting himself
800
00:56:42,843 --> 00:56:44,644
in situations and doing really big things
801
00:56:44,745 --> 00:56:47,717
that we deserve to know who he is.
802
00:56:49,986 --> 00:56:54,192
And I think the journalist who one day will reveal him will be,
803
00:56:54,292 --> 00:56:57,196
will go down in history books for being the guy or the girl
804
00:56:57,296 --> 00:56:59,132
who revealed who Banksy was.
805
00:57:08,713 --> 00:57:12,250
My source decided he wanted to stay anonymous.
806
00:57:15,723 --> 00:57:18,960
He is a forensic expert, due diligences,
807
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,696
he looks through companies and the owners of companies
808
00:57:21,797 --> 00:57:23,666
to see the trails there.
809
00:57:30,676 --> 00:57:32,813
I'd like to remain anonymous
810
00:57:32,913 --> 00:57:37,619
because I just don't want any kind of exposure.
811
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,621
This is just an itch I needed to scratch,
812
00:57:39,722 --> 00:57:41,524
I was just intrigued by the all thing.
813
00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:43,361
I don't need any kind of hate mail
814
00:57:43,461 --> 00:57:44,996
for exposing Banksy
815
00:57:45,097 --> 00:57:47,567
because that would probably be a bunch of people
816
00:57:47,667 --> 00:57:48,802
who are very angry,
817
00:57:48,902 --> 00:57:51,605
if it turned out I was right.
818
00:57:51,705 --> 00:58:00,852
[♪♪♪]
819
00:58:04,957 --> 00:58:08,797
ANONYMOUS MAN: Banksy has just released a documentary,
820
00:58:08,897 --> 00:58:10,866
Exit through the gift shop .
821
00:58:10,966 --> 00:58:14,204
And it got a bit of noise at that time
822
00:58:14,304 --> 00:58:16,707
and then it got nominated for an Academy Award.
823
00:58:16,808 --> 00:58:19,845
And he still is trying to claim
824
00:58:19,945 --> 00:58:23,383
that he was some sort of anonymity,
825
00:58:23,483 --> 00:58:24,684
which is impossible
826
00:58:24,785 --> 00:58:27,122
if you're making any film like that.
827
00:58:27,824 --> 00:58:29,759
As soon as business is involved
828
00:58:29,859 --> 00:58:32,663
and you want to make some money out of that,
829
00:58:32,764 --> 00:58:34,032
you have to register the companies
830
00:58:34,132 --> 00:58:36,435
and the money has to go somewhere.
831
00:58:36,535 --> 00:58:37,871
And then there is a paper trail.
832
00:58:38,972 --> 00:58:42,143
So I looked up what the production company was.
833
00:58:42,243 --> 00:58:45,348
It was a company called Paranoid Pictures.
834
00:58:48,853 --> 00:58:51,456
And if you look through this company document
835
00:58:51,556 --> 00:58:53,760
on the annual return,
836
00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:55,929
you will find that it is actually owned by another
837
00:58:56,029 --> 00:58:59,633
company called Pest Control Office Ltd.
838
00:59:00,302 --> 00:59:03,673
This is the company that is solely there to verify
839
00:59:03,774 --> 00:59:05,642
Banksy works of art,
840
00:59:05,742 --> 00:59:07,111
to make sure that they're not fakes
841
00:59:07,211 --> 00:59:10,316
and they're really actually made by Banksy himself.
842
00:59:11,117 --> 00:59:14,688
So this company is the owner of Paranoid Pictures.
843
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:18,027
And if you look through the annual return here,
844
00:59:18,127 --> 00:59:20,397
this in itself is owned by a company
845
00:59:20,497 --> 00:59:22,332
called Pictures on Wall Limited.
846
00:59:23,101 --> 00:59:25,070
So if you go to Picture On Wall Limited,
847
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:28,008
looking through this annual return,
848
00:59:28,108 --> 00:59:30,377
at the time of my investigation,
849
00:59:30,477 --> 00:59:35,018
you can see that the sole owner is Jamie Hewlett.
850
00:59:38,956 --> 00:59:42,493
Jamie Hewlett, the founder of Gorillaz.
851
00:59:45,665 --> 00:59:46,699
It makes sense.
852
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,503
Gorillaz, Banksy is in their music video.
853
00:59:49,603 --> 00:59:51,106
He is.
854
00:59:51,206 --> 00:59:54,310
Yes, I just thought this is him.
855
00:59:58,884 --> 01:00:00,553
Gorillaz is a fake band.
856
01:00:00,653 --> 01:00:02,689
They're not actually humans.
857
01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:05,260
They're meant to be this characters,
858
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,131
which is very close to what Banksy is doing as well.
859
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:19,712
The other guy in Gorillaz, Damon Albarn has another band
860
01:00:19,813 --> 01:00:23,919
called Blur and Banksy made the front cover for their album.
861
01:00:25,154 --> 01:00:28,793
This Blur album cover was designed by Banksy himself.
862
01:00:28,893 --> 01:00:31,162
If you look at this, still hear from
863
01:00:31,262 --> 01:00:33,099
one of the Gorillaz music videos:
864
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:37,137
that is a Banksy in the actual music video itself.
865
01:00:42,612 --> 01:00:44,647
It was surprising to see that everything just,
866
01:00:44,747 --> 01:00:46,383
kind of, added up.
867
01:00:46,483 --> 01:00:48,887
ANONYMOUS MAN: Another thing, I may be clutching at straws here,
868
01:00:48,987 --> 01:00:53,260
but a few years ago, when Banksy opened up his hotel,
869
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:59,101
some tourist posted video footage of who he or she
870
01:00:59,201 --> 01:01:02,573
believed may have been a Banksy spotting.
871
01:01:03,107 --> 01:01:04,742
And this person that they uncovered
872
01:01:04,843 --> 01:01:06,678
doing these graffiti stencils
873
01:01:06,778 --> 01:01:08,348
around the corner from the hotel
874
01:01:08,448 --> 01:01:10,451
actually looks like Jamie Hewlett
875
01:01:10,551 --> 01:01:14,589
from certain kind of facial similarities.
876
01:01:14,689 --> 01:01:16,092
Wow!
877
01:01:16,192 --> 01:01:18,795
I'm gonna reveal who Banksy is!
878
01:01:18,896 --> 01:01:22,400
It was too good, the information was too good not to publish.
879
01:01:28,977 --> 01:01:32,414
ANONYMOUS MAN: Since I made a bit of a noise,
880
01:01:32,515 --> 01:01:35,719
the very next annual return in 2017,
881
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:38,023
if you look here,
882
01:01:38,123 --> 01:01:40,994
Jamie Hewlett has transferred all his shares
883
01:01:41,094 --> 01:01:43,530
to some called Marcus Samuel Chambers.
884
01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:48,137
So if I was suspicious, which of course I am,
885
01:01:48,237 --> 01:01:51,374
there's been a reaction to my action.
886
01:01:57,116 --> 01:01:59,585
It's not very kind of fun idea like using A. I.
887
01:01:59,685 --> 01:02:03,191
to see where people are based in the world at any one point.
888
01:02:03,291 --> 01:02:05,428
But this is pretty black and white theory
889
01:02:05,528 --> 01:02:06,930
which you can't deny.
890
01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:09,967
[siren wailing]
891
01:02:21,350 --> 01:02:23,753
MARTINE: Joanna Brooks e-mailed me, she's Banksy publicist,
892
01:02:23,854 --> 01:02:26,490
saying: "Jamie Hewlett is not Banksy.
893
01:02:26,590 --> 01:02:30,563
But she made a mistake and she spelt HEWLETT
894
01:02:30,663 --> 01:02:33,233
with an I, not an E.
895
01:02:36,171 --> 01:02:38,074
Which is wrong.
896
01:02:38,174 --> 01:02:41,111
So I thought: "Is this a sneaky way of not lying?"
897
01:02:41,211 --> 01:02:43,882
So if we do reveal him now and we say said:
898
01:02:43,982 --> 01:02:45,450
"But you lied."
899
01:02:45,550 --> 01:02:47,452
She will say: "No, because I didn't spell it the right way."
900
01:02:49,222 --> 01:02:50,992
If it's not Jamie Hewlett,
901
01:02:51,092 --> 01:02:53,761
I don't think I believe the other theories more.
902
01:02:53,862 --> 01:03:02,774
[♪♪♪]
903
01:03:08,516 --> 01:03:11,086
I went through every single story that had been written
904
01:03:11,186 --> 01:03:13,223
on Banksy to get clues:
905
01:03:13,323 --> 01:03:16,793
where he had been, who his friends were.
906
01:03:19,664 --> 01:03:23,803
There was one picture that supposedly was Banksy
907
01:03:23,904 --> 01:03:25,473
in Jamaïca.
908
01:03:25,573 --> 01:03:27,475
And it had been published in the Evening Standard.
909
01:03:27,576 --> 01:03:30,313
And then it sort of mysteriously disappeared
910
01:03:30,413 --> 01:03:33,317
and nobody knew who owned the copyright anymore.
911
01:03:33,417 --> 01:03:35,687
It was part of the mystery around Banksy.
912
01:03:45,334 --> 01:03:48,405
Finally I found someone who knew who he was.
913
01:03:48,505 --> 01:03:52,678
Someone that had interviewed Banksy, that knew Banksy,
914
01:03:52,778 --> 01:03:55,782
that knew who Banksy was, and told me that he was called
915
01:03:55,883 --> 01:03:57,484
Robin Gunningham.
916
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:04,760
I first of all, I found out everything
917
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:06,763
about Robin Gunningham I could:
918
01:04:06,863 --> 01:04:09,801
his birth certificate, his parent's names.
919
01:04:09,902 --> 01:04:12,973
I did his full family tree with his sisters and cousins
920
01:04:13,073 --> 01:04:14,674
and relatives.
921
01:04:14,774 --> 01:04:17,045
And then, I looked on the electoral roll,
922
01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,248
and all the places he'd lived
923
01:04:19,348 --> 01:04:22,520
seemed to be places where Banksy had lived.
924
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:31,432
So I was fairly confident when I went down to Bristol
925
01:04:31,532 --> 01:04:33,902
with a team of people that I worked very well
926
01:04:34,002 --> 01:04:35,804
with to prove it.
927
01:04:35,905 --> 01:04:37,073
And I wanted to do it quickly
928
01:04:37,173 --> 01:04:40,311
because I didn't want another journalist to get the story.
929
01:04:44,216 --> 01:04:46,954
We spoke to someone called Luke Egan
930
01:04:47,054 --> 01:04:48,822
who denied knowing Robin Gunningham,
931
01:04:48,923 --> 01:04:50,225
but he'd lived with him.
932
01:04:52,963 --> 01:04:57,034
We spoke to a woman who had moved into a flat after
933
01:04:57,134 --> 01:04:58,770
Robin Gunningham had left,
934
01:04:58,870 --> 01:05:02,241
and she had discovered some old discarded Banksy drawings.
935
01:05:08,985 --> 01:05:12,222
I think the final piece in the jigsaw was the fact
936
01:05:12,322 --> 01:05:14,825
that one of the neighbours of where Robin grew up
937
01:05:14,926 --> 01:05:18,698
identified that initial photograph from Jamaica
938
01:05:18,798 --> 01:05:21,402
as Robin Gunningham.
939
01:05:21,502 --> 01:05:24,172
And I interviewed someone who went to school with him
940
01:05:24,272 --> 01:05:26,342
and he had a photograph of him at school
941
01:05:26,442 --> 01:05:29,113
and it looked similar to the picture
942
01:05:29,213 --> 01:05:31,016
that was taken in Jamaica.
943
01:05:35,455 --> 01:05:38,626
And when I spoke to mister Gunninghman,
944
01:05:38,726 --> 01:05:43,199
he was laughing and smiling and saying: I can't comment.
945
01:05:43,299 --> 01:05:47,772
And I said: Well, look, if your son is a teacher in Birmingham,
946
01:05:47,872 --> 01:05:50,309
you must tell me, because I'm going to put in the paper
947
01:05:50,409 --> 01:05:52,546
on the Sunday that he's Banksy.
948
01:05:52,646 --> 01:05:55,350
And he just said: I can't possibly say anything.
949
01:05:55,450 --> 01:05:58,354
Nobody, apart from Banksy's father,
950
01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:01,558
would have played games with me the way he did.
951
01:06:01,658 --> 01:06:03,694
"If you are familiar with the artist known as Banksy,
952
01:06:03,794 --> 01:06:05,931
he never publicly shown his face.
953
01:06:06,031 --> 01:06:08,901
Now though Banksy may actually been unmasked.
954
01:06:15,344 --> 01:06:16,812
REPORTER: The article claims Robin Gunningham,
955
01:06:16,912 --> 01:06:19,716
who is now thirty five, was great at art at school.
956
01:06:19,816 --> 01:06:22,387
Banksy has a background that was posh and privileged
957
01:06:22,487 --> 01:06:24,123
if this article is to be believed.
958
01:06:24,223 --> 01:06:27,394
He went to the school here, the Bristol Cathedral School.
959
01:06:27,494 --> 01:06:29,630
It's hardly the background of someone who made his name
960
01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:32,167
from being hip and street.
961
01:06:32,267 --> 01:06:41,380
[♪♪♪]
962
01:06:50,493 --> 01:06:51,461
DETECTIVE: Geographic profiling
963
01:06:51,561 --> 01:06:53,897
is a criminal investigative methodology.
964
01:06:53,998 --> 01:06:56,635
It was designed to help prioritize suspects
965
01:06:56,735 --> 01:07:01,375
and manage information in a large scale serial crime case.
966
01:07:02,610 --> 01:07:04,146
So if we have a serial murder,
967
01:07:04,246 --> 01:07:06,182
there's a pattern to where they hunt
968
01:07:06,282 --> 01:07:09,586
and the locations where the offender is most likely based.
969
01:07:11,889 --> 01:07:13,725
I was a member of the Vancouver Police Department,
970
01:07:13,825 --> 01:07:15,928
and because I had a background of mathematics,
971
01:07:16,029 --> 01:07:18,766
I wondered about what you might be able to extract
972
01:07:18,866 --> 01:07:22,672
in terms of information from a pattern of crime locations.
973
01:07:29,347 --> 01:07:32,686
What I'm showing right now is the top five percent of the area
974
01:07:32,786 --> 01:07:36,757
for the art that Banksy did while he was in New York City.
975
01:07:36,857 --> 01:07:39,128
I was able to find informations of thirty one
976
01:07:39,228 --> 01:07:41,231
of his graffiti artworks.
977
01:07:41,331 --> 01:07:45,637
So I put it in the Rigel system which I have opened here
978
01:07:45,737 --> 01:07:49,809
and you can see here Manhattan.
979
01:07:49,909 --> 01:07:53,181
And the dark orange shows the most probable area
980
01:07:53,281 --> 01:07:54,582
for Banksy's base:
981
01:07:54,682 --> 01:07:57,621
this could be where he was staying in a hotel,
982
01:07:57,721 --> 01:08:02,093
or if he was crashing at a friend's apartment or condo,
983
01:08:02,193 --> 01:08:05,665
between Union Square park, Washington square park
984
01:08:05,765 --> 01:08:08,970
and it's roughly north of Greenwich Village.
985
01:08:10,005 --> 01:08:12,508
Well, it doesn't tell us anything about Cunningham
986
01:08:12,608 --> 01:08:14,544
or about other suspects,
987
01:08:14,644 --> 01:08:17,949
but it would be if he were if he was still
988
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:19,084
in New York,
989
01:08:19,184 --> 01:08:20,353
where you would probably want to focus your search
990
01:08:20,453 --> 01:08:22,589
efforts for him.
991
01:08:22,689 --> 01:08:26,061
Now if no one tried to find out who Banksy was, well,
992
01:08:26,161 --> 01:08:28,230
we'd all be rather boring, wouldn't it?
993
01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:34,538
This map here shows you through the red dots,
994
01:08:34,638 --> 01:08:37,910
locations associated with Banksy artwork.
995
01:08:38,011 --> 01:08:41,715
Blue dots, locations associated with Robin G,
996
01:08:41,815 --> 01:08:43,285
such as where did he live?
997
01:08:43,385 --> 01:08:44,152
Where did he go to school?
998
01:08:44,252 --> 01:08:45,588
Where did he work?
999
01:08:45,688 --> 01:08:47,757
Anything that you could associate with him.
1000
01:08:47,857 --> 01:08:50,428
If we have multiples Banksy suspects
1001
01:08:50,528 --> 01:08:52,397
we could see which ones came out best.
1002
01:08:52,497 --> 01:08:53,632
But we don't.
1003
01:08:53,732 --> 01:08:55,168
So the idea is, you look at this and you see
1004
01:08:55,268 --> 01:08:57,871
while that compares quite well.
1005
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,917
So that elevated the probability of him
1006
01:09:07,018 --> 01:09:10,289
being the correct suspect to a certain degree.
1007
01:09:10,389 --> 01:09:12,325
We're not proving anything here.
1008
01:09:12,425 --> 01:09:15,263
All we're doing is saying: "Here's some evidence that
1009
01:09:15,363 --> 01:09:19,768
either supports the Gunningham theory or doesn't support it."
1010
01:09:19,868 --> 01:09:22,272
In the end, it supported it quite well.
1011
01:09:23,741 --> 01:09:26,411
"Yes, this a science used to find criminals,
1012
01:09:26,511 --> 01:09:32,587
instead used to catch an artist, the person behind this: Banksy.
1013
01:09:33,488 --> 01:09:37,827
And scientists said they are 90% sure they have their man.
1014
01:09:37,927 --> 01:09:40,765
The spacial evidences or the artworks support the theory
1015
01:09:40,865 --> 01:09:43,335
that he is the suspect, that he is Banksy.
1016
01:09:43,435 --> 01:09:44,603
Mystery solved?
1017
01:09:44,703 --> 01:09:46,406
Don't bet on it.
1018
01:09:46,506 --> 01:09:48,242
Robin Gunningham, this public schoolboy,
1019
01:09:48,342 --> 01:09:52,715
I don't think that this person ever existed.
1020
01:09:52,815 --> 01:09:53,749
STEVE: I have a feeling that's another one
1021
01:09:53,849 --> 01:09:56,453
of our fake news thing maybe.
1022
01:09:56,553 --> 01:09:58,556
Maybe it's not.
1023
01:09:58,656 --> 01:09:59,724
[laughing]
1024
01:10:19,452 --> 01:10:22,289
WILL: Everyone likes to have another theory about Banksy.
1025
01:10:22,389 --> 01:10:26,995
There's nothing saying: "We can guarantee this is the man.
1026
01:10:27,096 --> 01:10:30,101
The weird thing is, like the Banksy's pieces,
1027
01:10:30,201 --> 01:10:31,502
anybody could do it.
1028
01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:34,173
If Banksy gave me the stencil, I bought some spray paint,
1029
01:10:34,273 --> 01:10:36,243
I could go out and do it.
1030
01:10:38,046 --> 01:10:40,149
Banksy might have operatives all over the world,
1031
01:10:40,249 --> 01:10:42,151
maybe he's got like sleeper cells in every city.
1032
01:10:53,167 --> 01:10:54,701
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes
1033
01:10:54,801 --> 01:10:57,272
regarding Banksy.
1034
01:10:57,372 --> 01:10:58,674
Who is he?
1035
01:10:58,774 --> 01:11:01,644
I sure don't really care, I'm not that bothered.
1036
01:11:01,744 --> 01:11:03,147
So, I'm not giving the game away.
1037
01:11:03,247 --> 01:11:04,615
It would be like telling a small child
1038
01:11:04,715 --> 01:11:07,018
that Santa Claus didn't exist.
1039
01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:09,755
And plus, I think the general public made him.
1040
01:11:09,855 --> 01:11:12,927
They made this folk hero.
1041
01:11:13,027 --> 01:11:17,433
And the last think they want is for someone to blow that myth.
1042
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:27,180
It has been a very curious experience
1043
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,286
because there seems to be a sort of conspiracy
1044
01:11:31,386 --> 01:11:34,023
to suggest that I'm wrong.
1045
01:11:34,990 --> 01:11:36,493
People were like: "You're a fucking idiot,
1046
01:11:36,593 --> 01:11:38,063
you've ruined Banksy for me
1047
01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:39,964
because now I know what he looks like".
1048
01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:43,070
My retort to them is like:
1049
01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:44,704
"Do you know fucking Picasso?"
1050
01:11:44,804 --> 01:11:45,740
Yes.
1051
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,175
"Do you like Picasso?"
1052
01:11:47,275 --> 01:11:48,177
Yes.
1053
01:11:48,277 --> 01:11:51,013
Do you know what fucking Picasso looks like?
1054
01:11:51,114 --> 01:11:52,215
Yes.
1055
01:11:52,315 --> 01:11:54,385
What fucking difference does it make?
1056
01:11:54,485 --> 01:11:57,122
I think the fact that people are upset about it,
1057
01:11:57,222 --> 01:11:59,425
is because there's a strong political message.
1058
01:11:59,525 --> 01:12:01,795
They don't want to see a face that tells them that.
1059
01:12:01,895 --> 01:12:06,369
They want just be told by someone they don't know.
1060
01:12:10,007 --> 01:12:13,679
Everybody wins with him not being known.
1061
01:12:14,713 --> 01:12:17,685
Would Banksy have the same impact if we knew his name?
1062
01:12:17,785 --> 01:12:20,122
Well, probably not.
1063
01:12:20,222 --> 01:12:21,490
It's just like Jack the Ripper.
1064
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:24,127
Jack the Ripper is one of the most infamous serial killers
1065
01:12:24,227 --> 01:12:25,362
in history.
1066
01:12:25,462 --> 01:12:28,200
Maybe people call him the first serial killer,
1067
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:30,002
but that's not true, not by a long shot.
1068
01:12:30,103 --> 01:12:33,240
But he is perhaps the most famous and one of the reasons
1069
01:12:33,340 --> 01:12:35,910
he's the most famous is: he was never caught.
1070
01:12:36,010 --> 01:12:42,119
[♪♪♪]
1071
01:12:42,219 --> 01:12:44,188
JAMES: I suppose that those kind of low times people reach
1072
01:12:44,288 --> 01:12:47,459
for the fictional world and the fantasy.
1073
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,798
And they like to feel that there's some kind of rescue
1074
01:12:51,898 --> 01:12:54,369
just around the corner, there's hope somehow.
1075
01:12:55,638 --> 01:12:59,409
Even now that he has a huge possibility of generating money,
1076
01:12:59,509 --> 01:13:03,849
he's stayed very true to the roots that he would have grown
1077
01:13:03,949 --> 01:13:06,153
up around in Bristol.
1078
01:13:06,253 --> 01:13:09,357
Which is a large community of people who are
1079
01:13:09,457 --> 01:13:13,096
helping each other in a social and cultural way.
1080
01:13:13,196 --> 01:13:17,033
And the fact that he is now finding ways to benefit
1081
01:13:17,134 --> 01:13:19,471
hundreds of people from this incredible achievement
1082
01:13:19,571 --> 01:13:20,239
that he's made,
1083
01:13:20,339 --> 01:13:22,275
I think, is just a fantastic story.
1084
01:13:22,375 --> 01:13:26,080
The renowned and elusive artist Banksy is weighing in
1085
01:13:26,181 --> 01:13:29,017
to help a cash drop boys club in Bristol.
1086
01:13:29,118 --> 01:13:31,721
This youth club was another way where he said:
1087
01:13:31,821 --> 01:13:33,491
Right, I'm gonna help them.
1088
01:13:38,298 --> 01:13:40,434
It was Sunday, April 13th.
1089
01:13:40,534 --> 01:13:43,004
it was around 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
1090
01:13:43,105 --> 01:13:45,908
And I parked just outside the boys club gates,
1091
01:13:46,008 --> 01:13:48,278
and I noticed immediately in the doorway
1092
01:13:48,378 --> 01:13:50,581
this rather amazing stencil.
1093
01:14:00,329 --> 01:14:01,463
As I was sitting and waiting,
1094
01:14:01,563 --> 01:14:03,299
I couldn't really take my eyes off it,
1095
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,569
and I said to my wife, I'm like:
1096
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:07,304
"That looks like a Banksy."
1097
01:14:07,404 --> 01:14:16,351
[♪♪♪]
1098
01:14:18,053 --> 01:14:21,158
My son came past, he rang me he said:
1099
01:14:21,258 --> 01:14:22,225
"Dad you're not gonna believe this,
1100
01:14:22,325 --> 01:14:24,562
I think we've got a Banksy outside the club".
1101
01:14:24,662 --> 01:14:27,098
I said: "Oh don't be so stupid, don't be so foolish."
1102
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,768
I wasn't 100% sure.
1103
01:14:28,868 --> 01:14:31,472
I said "if it is what I think it is,
1104
01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:33,908
then you need to get that protected."
1105
01:14:34,008 --> 01:14:36,845
And when I came in, got there I thought:
1106
01:14:36,945 --> 01:14:39,383
"It looks good, it might be a Banksy."
1107
01:14:39,483 --> 01:14:41,286
But I mean, I don't know much about Banksys.
1108
01:14:41,386 --> 01:14:43,389
All I could see, this young couple,
1109
01:14:43,489 --> 01:14:45,292
they both had their mobile phones and they were both,
1110
01:14:45,392 --> 01:14:48,061
in effect, suppose to be looking in each other's loving eyes,
1111
01:14:48,162 --> 01:14:49,230
and in fact they weren't,
1112
01:14:49,330 --> 01:14:50,565
they were looking at each other's phones.
1113
01:14:56,707 --> 01:14:59,611
It really was quite a poignant statement
1114
01:14:59,711 --> 01:15:01,046
about young people today
1115
01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:03,883
that the mobile phone can be a little more important
1116
01:15:03,983 --> 01:15:05,686
than the human being.
1117
01:15:08,157 --> 01:15:09,158
Somebody have had to done it,
1118
01:15:09,258 --> 01:15:11,661
so, I thought I'd go and check my CCTV.
1119
01:15:17,970 --> 01:15:22,409
A white van pull up, and park just by what would be the place
1120
01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:24,312
where the "Mobile Lovers" was put.
1121
01:15:28,252 --> 01:15:29,219
Two men got out of the van.
1122
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:30,321
I couldn't see their faces,
1123
01:15:30,421 --> 01:15:31,722
they have hives jackets on
1124
01:15:31,822 --> 01:15:32,691
and they have helmets on.
1125
01:15:32,791 --> 01:15:34,793
They're just looked just like any work team.
1126
01:15:36,629 --> 01:15:40,302
A gentleman took a picture, drove off and then at 12 o'clock
1127
01:15:40,402 --> 01:15:43,506
on the 15th is when it became known to the public,
1128
01:15:43,606 --> 01:15:45,842
and the world basically, that there was a new Banksy
1129
01:15:45,942 --> 01:15:46,877
for people to see.
1130
01:15:46,977 --> 01:15:48,980
And that's where my story began.
1131
01:15:49,914 --> 01:15:52,852
"In april a picture appeared here overnight created by the
1132
01:15:52,952 --> 01:15:55,890
secretive street artist Banksy.
1133
01:15:56,424 --> 01:15:57,959
For the study streams of visitors coming to see the
1134
01:15:58,059 --> 01:15:59,695
latest Banksy creation.
1135
01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:05,904
ROB: There has been a period of time where no new Banksy artworks
1136
01:16:06,004 --> 01:16:08,708
had appeared in Bristol for a while,
1137
01:16:08,808 --> 01:16:11,812
so I was very keen to see the new artwork.
1138
01:16:11,912 --> 01:16:13,815
I actually thought a murder being committed outside,
1139
01:16:13,915 --> 01:16:16,919
because I had never seen so many people with cameras,
1140
01:16:17,019 --> 01:16:19,956
taking pictures of "Mobile Lovers".
1141
01:16:20,057 --> 01:16:21,259
And I'm looking at and I'm thinking:
1142
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,396
"You know, this really is a Banksy.
1143
01:16:24,496 --> 01:16:25,765
And we left it there for about two or three days.
1144
01:16:25,865 --> 01:16:27,868
Are we mad?"
1145
01:16:30,539 --> 01:16:32,675
Change, back the other way.
1146
01:16:32,775 --> 01:16:34,644
Don't forget your arms, keep on moving.
1147
01:16:34,744 --> 01:16:36,280
Come on, you can.
1148
01:16:36,380 --> 01:16:38,283
Well done, keep going.
1149
01:16:38,383 --> 01:16:41,119
As soon as he realised it was a Banksy,
1150
01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:42,822
he knew that he was sat on something
1151
01:16:42,922 --> 01:16:44,391
that could save the club.
1152
01:16:44,491 --> 01:16:46,561
So, you gonna take out nice and slowly.
1153
01:16:46,661 --> 01:16:49,898
The problem with the clubs was that the government at the time,
1154
01:16:49,998 --> 01:16:54,405
and local Council, were cutting funding to youth projects.
1155
01:16:54,505 --> 01:16:58,444
Boxing really is a fantastic sport.
1156
01:16:58,544 --> 01:17:03,351
It's something that is always done in a boxing club, ok.
1157
01:17:03,451 --> 01:17:06,555
We use sport as a platform to engage young people.
1158
01:17:06,655 --> 01:17:08,992
To give them something to hang their coat on.
1159
01:17:09,092 --> 01:17:11,862
This is their place to grow, nurture
1160
01:17:11,962 --> 01:17:13,665
and develop at their pace,
1161
01:17:13,765 --> 01:17:15,235
doing what they would like to do,
1162
01:17:15,335 --> 01:17:17,571
where they'll be looked after.
1163
01:17:22,978 --> 01:17:24,179
So I thought: "You know what?
1164
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:25,916
I need to take Mobile Lovers out off the wall,
1165
01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:28,019
and we gonna sell it so that we can save the club!
1166
01:17:32,225 --> 01:17:33,527
[sirens wailing]
1167
01:17:33,627 --> 01:17:36,264
And then we had all of the negative press and people
1168
01:17:36,364 --> 01:17:38,334
writing on the facebook page:
1169
01:17:38,434 --> 01:17:41,003
"What kind of example are you setting for others?
1170
01:17:41,103 --> 01:17:43,241
You should be ashamed".
1171
01:17:44,107 --> 01:17:46,177
People have taken to twitter as soon as they heard this news
1172
01:17:46,278 --> 01:17:49,415
today, some people are calling Dennis Stinchcombe a vulture."
1173
01:17:49,515 --> 01:17:51,385
"I guess that street art they do in the streets
1174
01:17:51,485 --> 01:17:53,455
so people have more access to it,
1175
01:17:53,555 --> 01:17:55,558
so it is a bit of a shame.
1176
01:17:55,658 --> 01:17:57,326
It is gone already before anyone had a chance
1177
01:17:57,426 --> 01:17:59,696
to look at it, so it's wrong.
1178
01:18:07,073 --> 01:18:10,044
I started getting death threats: "What gave you that right?"
1179
01:18:10,144 --> 01:18:11,680
that went on and on.
1180
01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:14,384
And this is against a man that all he's ever done in 30 years
1181
01:18:14,484 --> 01:18:16,487
is give to the people of Bristol,
1182
01:18:16,587 --> 01:18:18,690
and you have got people saying: "You should be killed."
1183
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:22,328
And that was the hard thing for me.
1184
01:18:23,797 --> 01:18:26,567
And finally, the most important thing that happened,
1185
01:18:26,667 --> 01:18:29,538
among the months of arguments and discussions, and dialogues,
1186
01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:32,174
and everything else, was the day that this letter
1187
01:18:32,275 --> 01:18:33,944
came through the door.
1188
01:18:34,044 --> 01:18:36,047
I got a phone call from Dad, and he's like:
1189
01:18:36,147 --> 01:18:37,382
"Sean, you're not gonna believe it,
1190
01:18:37,482 --> 01:18:39,319
I've only got a letter from Banksy.
1191
01:18:39,419 --> 01:18:40,821
It was like: "Wow."
1192
01:18:40,921 --> 01:18:43,425
this it, or it's not it, it could be ours, it might not".
1193
01:18:43,525 --> 01:18:44,992
And it's almost like I wanted to read it,
1194
01:18:45,093 --> 01:18:47,396
but I didn't want to read it, but there is now in front of me,
1195
01:18:47,496 --> 01:18:50,000
and it's like: "oh my god!
1196
01:18:50,601 --> 01:18:52,470
"Private and Confidential.
1197
01:18:52,571 --> 01:18:55,942
Dear Dennis, I hope this finds you well.
1198
01:18:56,042 --> 01:18:59,813
As you know, I recently painted on a doorway near the club.
1199
01:18:59,913 --> 01:19:02,852
This was meant to be a small visual gift for the area.
1200
01:19:02,952 --> 01:19:05,389
But apparently, a financial one
1201
01:19:05,489 --> 01:19:08,059
would have been much more useful.
1202
01:19:08,793 --> 01:19:10,763
I don't normally admit to committing criminal damage,
1203
01:19:10,863 --> 01:19:15,470
but seen as it look like charges won't be brought anytime soon,
1204
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:17,739
you have my blessing to do what you feel is right
1205
01:19:17,839 --> 01:19:19,408
with this piece.
1206
01:19:20,477 --> 01:19:22,613
I'm a great admirer of the work done at the club
1207
01:19:22,713 --> 01:19:25,650
and would be chuffed if this can help in some way.
1208
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:28,153
Your tenacity in the past few weeks has made for an
1209
01:19:28,254 --> 01:19:30,056
entertaining spectator sport.
1210
01:19:30,156 --> 01:19:32,960
I assume you're familiar with the quote attributed
1211
01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:36,064
to Abraham Lincoln: "Things may come to those who wait,
1212
01:19:36,164 --> 01:19:40,137
but only things left behind by those who hustle."
1213
01:19:40,237 --> 01:19:41,806
Best wishes, Banksy.
1214
01:19:41,906 --> 01:19:44,743
" And of course, he signed it at the bottom.
1215
01:19:45,378 --> 01:19:48,048
This letter was incredibly important, and on that day,
1216
01:19:48,148 --> 01:19:49,350
I read it.
1217
01:19:49,450 --> 01:19:52,254
Wow. It was like.
1218
01:19:52,354 --> 01:20:00,833
[♪♪♪]
1219
01:20:07,342 --> 01:20:08,977
I was so happy for him,
1220
01:20:09,077 --> 01:20:11,714
because no one deserves to be ridiculed on social media,
1221
01:20:11,814 --> 01:20:13,050
because of a picture.
1222
01:20:13,150 --> 01:20:18,591
Because he's seen an opportunity to save a club that he loves
1223
01:20:18,691 --> 01:20:21,262
with every part of his body.
1224
01:20:21,362 --> 01:20:23,265
He will never be away from that place.
1225
01:20:23,365 --> 01:20:24,799
That's where his soul's gonna be,
1226
01:20:24,899 --> 01:20:26,502
that's where his heart is now, that's where his heart
1227
01:20:26,602 --> 01:20:28,605
and soul's gonna die.
1228
01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:37,551
This piece of graffiti sprayed on a boarded up doorway
1229
01:20:37,651 --> 01:20:42,357
is now officially worth 403,000 pounds.
1230
01:20:43,258 --> 01:20:45,095
The money itself won't just benefit one club here
1231
01:20:45,195 --> 01:20:46,129
in Bristol.
1232
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:48,032
It will benefit up to 6 or even 8 of them.
1233
01:20:48,132 --> 01:20:50,235
It will go far and wide and it will touch
1234
01:20:50,336 --> 01:20:51,370
an awful lot of people.
1235
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:55,543
It is a very good new story in the city.
1236
01:20:58,547 --> 01:21:01,451
This was the most direct way that he has used
1237
01:21:01,551 --> 01:21:05,189
the value of his art for a social purpose.
1238
01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:09,995
I think we will lose some of the magic if somebody reveals
1239
01:21:10,096 --> 01:21:11,231
who he is.
1240
01:21:11,332 --> 01:21:19,909
[♪♪♪]
1241
01:21:31,693 --> 01:21:38,370
[♪♪♪]
1242
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:40,205
I know exactly who he is cause he was a member of my club
1243
01:21:40,306 --> 01:21:42,742
when he was a lad and I'm not telling you that.
1244
01:21:42,842 --> 01:21:43,977
INTERVIEWER: Why?
1245
01:21:44,077 --> 01:21:45,313
I can't!
1246
01:21:51,821 --> 01:21:54,124
Everybody I meet goes: I know somebody who knows Banksy.
1247
01:21:54,224 --> 01:21:56,395
Then, there is a few people go: I know Banksy.
1248
01:21:56,495 --> 01:21:59,732
But they can't tell you, really, I mean you know so.
1249
01:21:59,832 --> 01:22:08,945
[♪♪♪]
1250
01:22:21,129 --> 01:22:22,331
I mean Donald Trump would love it.
1251
01:22:22,431 --> 01:22:23,399
Right.
1252
01:22:23,499 --> 01:22:23,833
He's always talking about leakers.
1253
01:22:23,933 --> 01:22:24,834
"Banksy has no leakers.
1254
01:22:24,934 --> 01:22:25,969
How does he do that?
1255
01:22:26,069 --> 01:22:27,839
The withehouse is loaded with leakers!
1256
01:22:27,939 --> 01:22:30,676
Banksy, no leakers!
1257
01:22:38,253 --> 01:22:41,758
Even if he wanted to come out and become Banksy.
1258
01:22:41,858 --> 01:22:43,260
No one's gonna believe it.92831
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