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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,381 --> 00:00:07,558 [♪♪♪] 2 00:00:07,658 --> 00:00:09,192 [beep] 3 00:00:13,265 --> 00:00:22,177 [♪♪♪] 4 00:00:25,015 --> 00:00:27,251 [indistinct chatter] 5 00:00:29,287 --> 00:00:30,923 WOMAN: It was Frieze week in London, which is, I suppose, 6 00:00:31,023 --> 00:00:33,293 the week in the London calendar, 7 00:00:33,394 --> 00:00:35,764 when everyone in the art world is in town, 8 00:00:35,864 --> 00:00:37,967 and the contemporary evening auctions 9 00:00:38,067 --> 00:00:39,769 are the biggest in London. 10 00:00:39,869 --> 00:00:41,805 And this was Sotheby's. 11 00:00:41,905 --> 00:00:43,875 [indistinct chatter] 12 00:00:43,975 --> 00:00:50,985 [♪♪♪] 13 00:00:51,085 --> 00:00:54,823 WOMAN: It was a huge sale, 60-odd lots. 14 00:00:54,923 --> 00:00:56,726 And this Banksy was positioned right at the end, 15 00:00:56,826 --> 00:00:59,062 the last lot of the evening. 16 00:01:02,768 --> 00:01:05,338 MAN: I was bidding for the Banksy, The Girl with Balloon, 17 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:10,078 and it was the one that everyone connect Banksy to. 18 00:01:10,178 --> 00:01:12,916 It was the year before, so I think in 2017, 19 00:01:13,016 --> 00:01:16,186 it was rated as the UK's Most Favorite Art Piece. 20 00:01:21,594 --> 00:01:23,497 For me, you know, from a collectors point of view 21 00:01:23,597 --> 00:01:26,635 and a dealers point of view, it's the Holy Grail. 22 00:01:29,004 --> 00:01:31,341 [indistinct announcement] 23 00:01:39,686 --> 00:01:43,024 The estimate being quite low, that's encourage the bidding. 24 00:01:43,124 --> 00:01:45,895 And there was a lot of energy, it was a big sale. 25 00:01:48,065 --> 00:01:50,969 We went up to 650 pounds. Stopped there. 26 00:01:52,236 --> 00:01:53,473 Then towards the end, 27 00:01:53,573 --> 00:01:55,942 I think there was about two or three bidders left. 28 00:01:56,042 --> 00:01:58,179 Eight hundred thousand. 29 00:01:59,481 --> 00:02:03,553 Last chance at eight hundred and fifty thousand pounds. 30 00:02:04,854 --> 00:02:05,856 Eight sixty! 31 00:02:05,956 --> 00:02:07,993 [crowd murmurs] 32 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:10,329 And sold for eight hundred and fifty thousand. 33 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:11,998 [crowd applauds] 34 00:02:12,098 --> 00:02:13,434 And then when the hammer comes down that's 35 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:16,905 always very loud because it clearly demarcates the fact 36 00:02:17,005 --> 00:02:18,508 that the work is sold. 37 00:02:18,608 --> 00:02:20,611 [crowd applauds] 38 00:02:24,949 --> 00:02:27,019 [beeping] 39 00:02:29,389 --> 00:02:31,659 [crowd murmuring and gasping] 40 00:02:35,331 --> 00:02:37,935 ANNY: It all happened in sort of like a split second. 41 00:02:38,035 --> 00:02:39,002 The gavel came down. 42 00:02:39,102 --> 00:02:41,172 The alarm started beeping. 43 00:02:41,272 --> 00:02:43,375 Everyone attention, everyone turning around, 44 00:02:43,476 --> 00:02:45,378 and all the mobile phones going up. 45 00:02:47,649 --> 00:02:48,249 What's happening? 46 00:02:48,349 --> 00:02:49,484 Is that some sort of fire alarm? 47 00:02:49,584 --> 00:02:51,286 Is someone trying to steal the painting? 48 00:02:51,386 --> 00:02:54,123 AUCTIONEER: Ladies and gentlemen, sorry for having your attention. 49 00:02:55,392 --> 00:02:58,163 It stopped half-way and two technicians were sort of ushered 50 00:02:58,263 --> 00:02:59,631 out to take it away. 51 00:02:59,731 --> 00:03:01,868 And usually they would have white gloves on, 52 00:03:01,968 --> 00:03:02,836 and they didn't. 53 00:03:02,936 --> 00:03:03,904 So there was kind of an indication 54 00:03:04,004 --> 00:03:05,306 that this wasn't expected. 55 00:03:08,444 --> 00:03:10,046 Was this a prank by Banksy? 56 00:03:10,146 --> 00:03:11,515 Is this a real Banksy? 57 00:03:11,615 --> 00:03:13,217 Is this pure genius or? 58 00:03:13,317 --> 00:03:14,351 It wasn't that the painting fell out 59 00:03:14,452 --> 00:03:16,154 because the frame was broken. 60 00:03:16,254 --> 00:03:19,025 It was choreographed. 61 00:03:20,428 --> 00:03:22,296 Knowing that Banksy is a great provocateur, 62 00:03:22,396 --> 00:03:23,465 immediately the question was, 63 00:03:23,565 --> 00:03:26,002 was Banksy in the sale room himself? 64 00:03:26,102 --> 00:03:31,342 And it seems that he was, but again, unproven. 65 00:03:31,443 --> 00:03:33,212 So this is what keeps you guessing, 66 00:03:33,312 --> 00:03:34,780 Who is he? Where is he? Is he here? 67 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:35,916 Is he, you knows? 68 00:03:36,016 --> 00:03:37,652 He wasn't in the room. 69 00:03:37,752 --> 00:03:38,853 But I. 70 00:03:38,953 --> 00:03:39,887 INTERVIEWER: How do you know? 71 00:03:39,987 --> 00:03:41,256 I... 72 00:03:41,356 --> 00:03:44,694 Well I don't know, but I saw the person 73 00:03:44,794 --> 00:03:46,497 who activated the alarm. 74 00:03:48,834 --> 00:03:52,740 He had a briefcase with some mechanical machines in there. 75 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,310 There was a man with some sort-- not disguised but, you know, 76 00:03:56,410 --> 00:03:57,880 dark glasses and a hat. 77 00:03:57,980 --> 00:03:59,549 He was wearing sunglasses, yes. 78 00:03:59,649 --> 00:04:03,154 And he was wearing a hat, I think. 79 00:04:03,254 --> 00:04:06,091 [chuckles] It's like a comedy. 80 00:04:06,191 --> 00:04:07,827 It's like a pastiche. 81 00:04:07,927 --> 00:04:09,763 It's like a caricature. 82 00:04:09,863 --> 00:04:11,699 Was this a prank? 83 00:04:11,799 --> 00:04:13,702 Was this a stunt? 84 00:04:13,802 --> 00:04:16,639 Or is this art? 85 00:04:18,976 --> 00:04:21,345 MAN 3: It was a major art statement. 86 00:04:22,548 --> 00:04:25,719 Is it the price that makes art worthwhile? 87 00:04:25,819 --> 00:04:29,323 Or is it because you look at it and think: this is brilliant. 88 00:04:30,392 --> 00:04:32,127 ANNY: The art world is very snobby. 89 00:04:32,227 --> 00:04:33,597 To most people it's impenetrable 90 00:04:33,697 --> 00:04:35,800 and Banksy punches through that wall. 91 00:04:37,636 --> 00:04:40,773 It's like a massive ‘fuck you' to the art world. 92 00:04:40,873 --> 00:04:42,408 It is! 93 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:44,645 Sorry, am I allowed to say fuck? 94 00:04:50,020 --> 00:04:51,722 His works are support the underdog, 95 00:04:51,822 --> 00:04:54,926 fighting against neoliberalism and capitalism. 96 00:04:59,065 --> 00:05:02,771 He created a new way of selling, marketing, talking. 97 00:05:02,871 --> 00:05:06,408 He alerted the generation to the ills of the society. 98 00:05:18,993 --> 00:05:22,264 AUCTIONEER: And selling for eight million five hundred thousand pounds. 99 00:05:22,364 --> 00:05:23,567 Congradulations. 100 00:05:23,667 --> 00:05:24,668 [anvil strikes] 101 00:05:26,403 --> 00:05:30,109 Nobody has been that famous and yet invisible. 102 00:05:30,209 --> 00:05:32,646 REPORTER: NYPD would like to arrest him. 103 00:05:32,746 --> 00:05:33,781 But just have a look 104 00:05:33,881 --> 00:05:35,750 at how ordinary New Yorkers are responding. 105 00:05:39,922 --> 00:05:41,925 Everyone's trying to own a bit of Banksy. 106 00:05:44,428 --> 00:05:46,264 WOMAN: Banksy! Hey! 107 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:48,735 Fuck off! 108 00:05:48,835 --> 00:05:49,903 KAYLE: It's a sad day for people, 109 00:05:50,004 --> 00:05:52,808 the Banksy has been removed from the wall of the-- 110 00:05:52,908 --> 00:05:54,075 CROWD: Bring back Banksy! 111 00:05:54,175 --> 00:05:54,843 What do we want? 112 00:05:54,943 --> 00:05:55,945 Banksy back! 113 00:05:56,045 --> 00:05:56,746 When do we want it? 114 00:05:56,846 --> 00:05:57,915 Now! 115 00:05:58,015 --> 00:06:00,118 It's just a massive all circus! 116 00:06:00,218 --> 00:06:06,893 [♪♪♪] 117 00:06:14,103 --> 00:06:16,006 [wind blowing] 118 00:06:16,106 --> 00:06:27,355 [♪♪♪] 119 00:06:27,455 --> 00:06:29,792 99.9% of the world's population, 120 00:06:29,892 --> 00:06:33,264 have no idea who Banksy is, or what he looks like. 121 00:06:33,364 --> 00:06:40,274 [♪♪♪] 122 00:06:40,374 --> 00:06:43,278 STEVE: People think that the anonymity was a slight smart marketing 123 00:06:43,378 --> 00:06:46,282 trick by Banksy, move of pure genius. 124 00:06:46,382 --> 00:06:47,349 And it was. 125 00:06:47,449 --> 00:06:49,052 But it wasn't done deliberately. 126 00:06:49,152 --> 00:06:52,156 It was more self preservation than self promotion. 127 00:06:52,256 --> 00:06:56,863 [♪♪♪] 128 00:06:56,963 --> 00:06:59,701 WILL: How urgently he was wanted by the police, I don't know, 129 00:06:59,801 --> 00:07:03,206 but he was certainly painting on walls, and that's a crime. 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,679 Originally, anonymity was completely essential for him. 131 00:07:07,779 --> 00:07:16,725 [♪♪♪] 132 00:07:32,881 --> 00:07:41,793 [♪♪♪] 133 00:07:41,893 --> 00:07:44,063 [crowd cheering] 134 00:07:45,999 --> 00:07:49,971 Banksy shows that if you do want to be anonymous, you can. 135 00:07:53,977 --> 00:07:56,614 STEVE: He is probably in the Kardassian age, 136 00:07:56,714 --> 00:07:59,284 the only person that doesn't want to be famous. 137 00:07:59,384 --> 00:08:01,988 [indistinct chatter] 138 00:08:04,057 --> 00:08:07,930 He's almost kind of unofficial spokesperson for people, I mean, 139 00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:09,532 we all would like our politicians 140 00:08:09,632 --> 00:08:10,701 to speak our language, 141 00:08:10,801 --> 00:08:13,504 but they don't on the whole. 142 00:08:15,641 --> 00:08:17,711 Deep down people feel like, he's an everyday person 143 00:08:17,811 --> 00:08:19,579 and people can relate to that. 144 00:08:19,679 --> 00:08:21,816 He's one of us, you know. 145 00:08:21,916 --> 00:08:25,321 Keep the mask as it is, then that's fine, we can project. 146 00:08:25,421 --> 00:08:34,567 [♪♪♪] 147 00:08:53,026 --> 00:09:01,938 [♪♪♪] 148 00:09:23,235 --> 00:09:26,740 [♪♪♪] 149 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,143 It's easy, simplistic message that you can get 150 00:09:29,243 --> 00:09:30,345 when you come past on a bus. 151 00:09:30,445 --> 00:09:31,279 You just pass on the train. 152 00:09:31,379 --> 00:09:32,548 You're walking down the street. 153 00:09:32,649 --> 00:09:35,152 They are bold enough to be seen from the moon. 154 00:09:35,252 --> 00:09:43,864 [♪♪♪] 155 00:09:43,964 --> 00:09:45,033 STEVE: Between the humour, politics 156 00:09:45,133 --> 00:09:46,735 and the simplicity of the message, 157 00:09:46,835 --> 00:09:49,739 he managed to capture everybody. 158 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:52,744 From small children to grandparents. 159 00:09:52,844 --> 00:09:55,981 It's like, it sucked in everybody. 160 00:10:34,635 --> 00:10:36,570 ROBIN: Banksy is the voice, shouting out, 161 00:10:36,671 --> 00:10:39,574 screaming against what was happening in society. 162 00:10:39,675 --> 00:10:42,513 There were more and more arrests, stop and search, 163 00:10:42,614 --> 00:10:44,315 there were more and more security cameras, 164 00:10:44,415 --> 00:10:46,919 we would be monitored, you'd be monitored through your phone, 165 00:10:47,019 --> 00:10:48,688 you'd be monitored on the street. 166 00:10:48,788 --> 00:10:50,190 It was was him, 167 00:10:50,290 --> 00:10:53,662 a single voice bringing all these other voices together. 168 00:10:53,762 --> 00:11:00,138 [♪♪♪] 169 00:11:00,238 --> 00:11:02,340 [crowd shouting] 170 00:11:08,515 --> 00:11:17,461 [♪♪♪] 171 00:11:17,562 --> 00:11:20,432 [thunder rumbling] 172 00:11:23,270 --> 00:11:26,641 [church bells] 173 00:11:26,741 --> 00:11:27,877 So, welcome along everyone 174 00:11:27,977 --> 00:11:29,645 to the Bristol street art 175 00:11:29,745 --> 00:11:31,782 and graffiti art guided walking tour 176 00:11:31,882 --> 00:11:33,450 where this morning you will be discovering 177 00:11:33,550 --> 00:11:35,721 why Bristol is the street art and graffiti capital 178 00:11:35,821 --> 00:11:38,892 of the UK, possibly of Europe too. 179 00:11:40,127 --> 00:11:43,865 Plus, there's insights into the life and work of Banksy, 180 00:11:44,532 --> 00:11:46,002 not Bansky. 181 00:11:46,102 --> 00:11:50,241 It's Banksy, which is based upon his original artist's name, 182 00:11:50,341 --> 00:11:53,545 which was Robin Banks, which is far too long, 183 00:11:53,646 --> 00:11:55,916 so he shorted his name down to Banksy. 184 00:11:56,016 --> 00:11:57,652 And the artist we've all heard of 185 00:11:57,752 --> 00:11:59,621 was born from that very moment. 186 00:11:59,721 --> 00:12:06,296 [♪♪♪] 187 00:12:20,583 --> 00:12:28,227 [♪♪♪] 188 00:12:40,478 --> 00:12:44,950 [♪♪♪] 189 00:13:39,326 --> 00:13:44,567 [♪♪♪] 190 00:13:44,668 --> 00:13:46,636 ROBIN: This young guy from Bristol spread his message 191 00:13:46,737 --> 00:13:48,006 throughout London. 192 00:13:48,106 --> 00:13:50,142 And it was those very early stencils in London 193 00:13:50,242 --> 00:13:53,480 that just hadn't been seen before. 194 00:13:53,580 --> 00:13:57,118 So it was like a new voice in a bigger city. 195 00:13:57,218 --> 00:14:00,223 It started really in 2002. 196 00:14:06,498 --> 00:14:08,835 I was sat in my photography gallery, 197 00:14:08,935 --> 00:14:10,470 and an art dealer who I knew came in, 198 00:14:10,570 --> 00:14:15,845 and he had a roll the size of this of Banksy prints, 199 00:14:15,945 --> 00:14:17,213 and they were all Rude coppers. 200 00:14:17,313 --> 00:14:20,118 He pealed one off, put it down on my desk and said, 201 00:14:20,218 --> 00:14:21,720 "Do you wanna buy these?" 202 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:25,025 It was a picture of a copper holding his finger up like this, 203 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:28,029 called rude copper, and I didn't get it. 204 00:14:30,298 --> 00:14:34,437 Within two weeks, I realised my mistake, 205 00:14:34,537 --> 00:14:37,241 and then suddenly these works were taking off, 206 00:14:37,341 --> 00:14:39,978 and kids were going in to these this pop-up shows 207 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:41,380 that Banksy would do, 208 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,117 buying these prints, going straight back to their digs, 209 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:46,287 getting on their computer, getting on to E-Bay, 210 00:14:46,387 --> 00:14:48,023 and flipping it off for profit. 211 00:14:48,123 --> 00:14:50,727 And create this crazy market that took off 212 00:14:50,827 --> 00:14:53,297 at such an exponential speed, 213 00:14:53,397 --> 00:14:56,034 it was quite shocking to watch. 214 00:15:09,552 --> 00:15:12,958 ROBIN: And I kick myself to this day that I wasn't in early enough 215 00:15:13,058 --> 00:15:15,661 to understand it because I'd be a lot healthier. 216 00:15:20,235 --> 00:15:22,070 STEVE: The trajectory of his career 217 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:24,741 is aligned for that of the Internet, 218 00:15:24,841 --> 00:15:26,410 because for the first time ever, 219 00:15:26,510 --> 00:15:30,249 suddenly there was a tool that these artists couldn't get 220 00:15:30,349 --> 00:15:32,953 representation by the galleries and weren't being accepted by 221 00:15:33,053 --> 00:15:35,389 the museums suddenly their careers flew 222 00:15:35,489 --> 00:15:37,225 because they could get their work out. 223 00:15:37,325 --> 00:15:39,394 What museum, a gallery in the world 224 00:15:39,494 --> 00:15:42,098 can bring you that kind of audience? 225 00:15:49,342 --> 00:15:52,848 REPORTER: Painting walls isn't enough for Bansky anymore. 226 00:15:52,948 --> 00:15:56,252 A graffitied elephant, a star of this American show. 227 00:16:02,426 --> 00:16:04,063 REPORTER: A step away from street art, 228 00:16:04,163 --> 00:16:07,333 this is Banksy's graffiti rendered into 3D. 229 00:16:07,433 --> 00:16:10,605 Banksy says this is a different kind of family day out. 230 00:16:10,705 --> 00:16:13,810 Welcome to Dismaland. 231 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:16,680 Enjoy. 232 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:12,424 [♪♪♪] 233 00:17:22,305 --> 00:17:23,374 [♪♪♪] 234 00:17:23,474 --> 00:17:25,477 STEVE: He is the most famous artist 235 00:17:25,577 --> 00:17:28,014 in any point of art history. 236 00:17:28,114 --> 00:17:30,050 You might have Leonardo da Vinci 237 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:32,620 and a couple of others might come close. 238 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,225 But in terms of the most recognizable artist today, 239 00:17:36,325 --> 00:17:38,695 worldwide is Banksy. 240 00:17:40,932 --> 00:17:43,568 [indistinct chatter] 241 00:17:55,820 --> 00:18:04,765 [♪♪♪] 242 00:18:08,437 --> 00:18:10,907 FEMALE REPORTER: UK graffiti artist Banksy has moved here for a month 243 00:18:11,007 --> 00:18:13,177 and he has promised to surprise the city everyday 244 00:18:13,277 --> 00:18:15,513 with a new piece of work. 245 00:18:21,521 --> 00:18:24,092 His canvases are cars and city walls, 246 00:18:24,192 --> 00:18:26,462 his fans and New-York detectives alike, 247 00:18:26,562 --> 00:18:29,632 combing the city in a hunt for the murals. 248 00:18:30,701 --> 00:18:32,838 He basically did, you know, a gallery exhibit 249 00:18:32,938 --> 00:18:35,708 on the streets of New York and nothing was for sale. 250 00:18:35,809 --> 00:18:38,412 That did get the city kind of Banksy crazy, 251 00:18:38,512 --> 00:18:40,482 like a Banksy would appear and everybody would turn up 252 00:18:40,582 --> 00:18:42,084 and taking pictures in front of it. 253 00:18:43,452 --> 00:18:45,422 Head down a bit. Head down a bit. 254 00:18:48,659 --> 00:18:50,897 MICHAEL: Every morning there was like a new Banksy. 255 00:18:50,997 --> 00:18:52,900 Which is pretty cool! 256 00:19:11,491 --> 00:19:13,561 Hoping we can spot it here. 257 00:19:14,462 --> 00:19:16,598 WOMAN: Ok here it is. 258 00:19:16,698 --> 00:19:17,868 FAN: I'm looking all around for him. 259 00:19:17,968 --> 00:19:20,171 Just driving around earlier today, find this one. 260 00:19:20,271 --> 00:19:21,639 So awesome. 261 00:19:33,622 --> 00:19:36,093 REPORTER: Banksy has taken the big Apple by storm. 262 00:19:51,447 --> 00:19:53,750 [siren wailing] 263 00:20:07,469 --> 00:20:09,339 Where is Banksy? Where is Banksy? 264 00:20:09,439 --> 00:20:11,943 That's the only thing that New York City was talking about. 265 00:20:14,813 --> 00:20:16,416 I haven't seen that kind of excitement in the city 266 00:20:16,516 --> 00:20:18,685 about something going on. 267 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:21,890 And yet I've lived here my entire life. 268 00:20:24,828 --> 00:20:27,565 My my wife's cousin called me around 9:00-9:30 269 00:20:27,665 --> 00:20:32,171 in the morning and said, you know, you have a Banksy. 270 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,544 I said, "Oh shit, really?" 271 00:20:36,644 --> 00:20:38,480 He said yes, and I said, "That's pretty cool, 272 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:39,648 let me go see." 273 00:20:39,748 --> 00:20:41,551 So I walked over here and I looked 274 00:20:41,651 --> 00:20:44,455 then all of a sudden I see we have a Banksy. 275 00:20:44,555 --> 00:20:53,668 [♪♪♪] 276 00:20:58,976 --> 00:21:01,379 And there's hundreds of people and I see there's news teams 277 00:21:01,479 --> 00:21:03,515 starting to show up. 278 00:21:03,615 --> 00:21:05,718 So we took my building engineer 279 00:21:05,818 --> 00:21:08,455 and we've got a big piece of Plexiglas. 280 00:21:08,555 --> 00:21:10,158 We came over here 281 00:21:10,258 --> 00:21:12,294 and then people started yelling and screaming, 282 00:21:12,394 --> 00:21:13,696 "What are you doing? 283 00:21:13,796 --> 00:21:16,266 You're defacing you know, you're defacing the Banksy." 284 00:21:16,366 --> 00:21:17,367 And I'm like, "No, no, no. 285 00:21:17,467 --> 00:21:19,170 I'm the general manager of Zabars. 286 00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:21,240 Zabars owns this building. 287 00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:23,510 We want to protect it." 288 00:21:23,610 --> 00:21:26,480 And then we got a standing ovation. 289 00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:27,682 [laughing] 290 00:21:27,782 --> 00:21:29,718 It was like everything changed in a second. 291 00:21:34,391 --> 00:21:37,162 I think it's a miracle, because he never got caught 292 00:21:37,262 --> 00:21:40,400 and he's has been doing it his whole career. 293 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:42,002 He's under the radar. 294 00:21:42,102 --> 00:21:43,404 He's like Superman. 295 00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:44,940 You just can't catch him. 296 00:21:49,546 --> 00:21:51,482 "You are running up to somebody's property 297 00:21:51,582 --> 00:21:53,919 or public property and defacing it 298 00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:56,890 is not my definition of art." 299 00:21:58,893 --> 00:22:01,763 Graffiti does ruining people properties 300 00:22:01,864 --> 00:22:06,303 and is a sign of decay and loss of control. 301 00:22:08,073 --> 00:22:10,009 So, the Mayor may be contentious. 302 00:22:10,109 --> 00:22:12,311 The NYPD would like to arrest him. 303 00:22:12,411 --> 00:22:14,214 [police siren wailing] 304 00:22:41,685 --> 00:22:44,823 MICHAEL: There was a catch me if you can element too and that's weird: 305 00:22:44,924 --> 00:22:46,659 with all the surveillance and everything else, 306 00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:49,130 you never saw like surveillance footage of him 307 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:52,034 actually doing his work. 308 00:23:23,044 --> 00:23:26,615 I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be Banksy. 309 00:23:26,715 --> 00:23:28,785 To wake up every morning knowing 310 00:23:28,885 --> 00:23:32,691 that the very tenant of your existence, 311 00:23:32,791 --> 00:23:36,629 the core of what you are is at threat every day. 312 00:23:36,729 --> 00:23:37,999 Every day, you pick up a newspaper, 313 00:23:38,099 --> 00:23:39,901 every day you turn the radio or television on, 314 00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,070 it could be game over. 315 00:23:59,528 --> 00:24:04,035 As a journalism student, I had to come up with ideas 316 00:24:04,135 --> 00:24:08,174 and articles and that would attract attention online. 317 00:24:09,675 --> 00:24:12,948 Me being stupid, me being young, me being above an idea, 318 00:24:13,048 --> 00:24:14,249 I was like "Fuck it, 319 00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:17,386 why don't I go after the biggest story of the world? 320 00:24:18,055 --> 00:24:19,722 Not like, who killed JFK? 321 00:24:19,822 --> 00:24:22,226 But, something everybody can connect to, 322 00:24:22,326 --> 00:24:25,331 something everybody is interested in: Who is banksy? 323 00:24:32,374 --> 00:24:35,112 If anyone is going to find out who Banksy is, 324 00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:37,815 why can't it be some guy in his pants, 325 00:24:37,915 --> 00:24:39,150 on a Sunday in his house, 326 00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:42,522 a student, typing up like a hacker! 327 00:24:42,622 --> 00:24:44,557 I felt like I was a hacker. 328 00:24:44,657 --> 00:24:47,395 I'm like the overweight guy, eating McDonalds, you know. 329 00:24:52,268 --> 00:24:57,643 This all started on January 28th 2016. 330 00:24:58,577 --> 00:25:00,580 I went to see Massive Attack in Glasgow. 331 00:25:03,918 --> 00:25:06,122 The show was amazing, although I was very drunk. 332 00:25:06,222 --> 00:25:09,492 I thought to myself: "Holy shit, Massive Attack are from Bristol, 333 00:25:09,592 --> 00:25:10,894 Banksy's from Bristol!" 334 00:25:13,632 --> 00:25:15,535 It was a general consensus that 335 00:25:15,635 --> 00:25:17,437 they operate in the same world, 336 00:25:17,538 --> 00:25:19,974 and I was like: "Ok let's me see if I can find something," 337 00:25:20,075 --> 00:25:28,719 [♪♪♪] 338 00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:33,961 One of the first places that I looked at was Los Angeles, 2006. 339 00:25:34,061 --> 00:25:36,297 Because that was something that really stood out to me 340 00:25:36,397 --> 00:25:38,900 when Banksy went into DisneyLand, 341 00:25:39,001 --> 00:25:42,305 and he left a kind of human crashed doll, 342 00:25:42,405 --> 00:25:45,177 dressed as a Guantanamo Bay detainee. 343 00:25:49,582 --> 00:25:52,988 I was like: "Ok here I have a specific more or less date 344 00:25:53,088 --> 00:25:54,222 about Banksy". 345 00:25:54,322 --> 00:25:57,594 So did Massive Attack play a concert there? 346 00:25:57,694 --> 00:25:59,196 Bingo! 347 00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:02,767 Massive played two concerts, one in Anaheim 348 00:26:02,867 --> 00:26:05,671 and one in California, Los Angeles. 349 00:26:05,771 --> 00:26:12,247 [♪♪♪] 350 00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:29,604 That, for me, was a good starting point. 351 00:26:29,704 --> 00:26:32,943 And then, in 2010 Massive Attack went on concert. 352 00:26:33,777 --> 00:26:36,714 They played in San Francisco, they played in Boston. 353 00:26:39,352 --> 00:26:41,288 I looked at the newspaper reports from these cities, 354 00:26:41,388 --> 00:26:44,993 I realised that Banksy had been there almost one day before, 355 00:26:45,094 --> 00:26:46,495 or one day after. 356 00:26:49,199 --> 00:26:52,571 Ok man, there's definitely a connection being made here. 357 00:26:52,671 --> 00:26:53,638 It makes sense. 358 00:26:53,738 --> 00:26:56,442 Massive Attack comes as a one night gig in New York. 359 00:26:56,542 --> 00:26:59,780 And like for the next 30 days, the city is plastered with these 360 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,284 crazy Banksy pieces. 361 00:27:06,456 --> 00:27:08,559 These kind of snippets of information, 362 00:27:08,659 --> 00:27:12,098 and connections just kept on being fed into me. 363 00:27:12,198 --> 00:27:20,210 [♪♪♪] 364 00:27:22,646 --> 00:27:27,219 In 2008, Banksy left 14 stencils around New Orleans. 365 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:30,890 But in New Orleans, Massive Attack hadn't played a show. 366 00:27:30,991 --> 00:27:34,695 If Massive Attack won't play a concert, why was Banksy there? 367 00:27:34,795 --> 00:27:36,132 Bang! 368 00:27:36,232 --> 00:27:39,636 2008, Robert Del Naja, the singer's history 369 00:27:39,736 --> 00:27:41,039 went to New Orleans, 370 00:27:41,139 --> 00:27:43,242 to give the premiere of a documentary film 371 00:27:43,342 --> 00:27:45,845 about hurricane Katrina. 372 00:28:40,788 --> 00:28:42,691 [crowd shouting] 373 00:28:45,995 --> 00:28:48,666 STEVE: There was an anti Iraq war when Tony Blair 374 00:28:48,766 --> 00:28:49,867 was in power here. 375 00:28:49,967 --> 00:28:52,572 It was one of the biggest political rallies in history 376 00:28:52,672 --> 00:28:53,673 in the UK, 377 00:28:53,773 --> 00:28:56,777 and Banksy did a whole set of placards for that, 378 00:28:56,877 --> 00:28:58,647 called Wrong War. 379 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:20,344 I also never realised how Robert Del Naja 380 00:29:20,444 --> 00:29:24,283 was part of a graffiti movement. 381 00:29:25,918 --> 00:29:28,355 He kind a kickstarted the movement, not only in Bristol, 382 00:29:28,455 --> 00:29:29,790 but even in the Uk. 383 00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:32,294 He was one of the original graffiti artists, 384 00:29:32,394 --> 00:29:35,732 under his old moniker of 3D. 385 00:29:38,469 --> 00:29:40,672 Banksy said: "3D was a big influence on me". 386 00:29:40,772 --> 00:29:44,144 Robert Del Naja said: "oh Banksy is a big influence on me". 387 00:29:44,244 --> 00:29:45,946 People always assume that they were friends, 388 00:29:46,047 --> 00:29:49,151 but no one suggested they were just talking about themselves. 389 00:29:49,251 --> 00:29:50,286 He was just talking about himself, 390 00:29:50,386 --> 00:29:52,523 to throw people off the chase. 391 00:29:52,623 --> 00:29:55,660 The turning point, or the point when I said to myself: 392 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,894 "I've got him." 393 00:29:56,994 --> 00:30:00,167 As if I had like a net, I'm running behind Banksy 394 00:30:00,267 --> 00:30:03,538 and I was like I got him - was in Naples. 395 00:30:03,638 --> 00:30:07,309 In August 2004, Banksy left a stencil called 396 00:30:07,409 --> 00:30:09,679 "Madonna Con la Pistola". 397 00:30:13,585 --> 00:30:17,057 Robert Del Naja, funny name, Italian name, 398 00:30:17,157 --> 00:30:23,899 his dad is from Naples, and he is a crazy Napoli football fan, 399 00:30:23,999 --> 00:30:26,503 and the first time that he attended the stadium 400 00:30:26,603 --> 00:30:28,439 was almost the exact same time 401 00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:30,842 when Banksy left the stencil there. 402 00:30:30,942 --> 00:30:34,114 And that's when I said to myself "You fucking done it son." 403 00:30:34,214 --> 00:30:37,318 You know, I was like, it's him. 404 00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:39,288 It - is - him. 405 00:30:39,388 --> 00:30:41,091 Robert Del Naja is Banksy. 406 00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:48,934 REPORTER: "The world may have finally discovered the secret identity 407 00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:53,040 of the reknown guerilla street artist known as Banksy. 408 00:30:53,141 --> 00:30:55,744 A british student named Craig Williams proposed a theory 409 00:30:55,844 --> 00:30:59,216 in a blog post back in January, that Robert Del Naja, 410 00:30:59,316 --> 00:31:01,652 the electronic hip hop trio Massive Attack 411 00:31:01,752 --> 00:31:04,956 is behind the international works of art." 412 00:31:05,057 --> 00:31:08,028 Before I'd even finished my journalism course, 413 00:31:08,129 --> 00:31:10,432 I had already done the biggest thing I would ever do in my life 414 00:31:10,532 --> 00:31:12,467 as a journalist. 415 00:31:12,568 --> 00:31:15,772 So, it's pretty fucked up, but cool by another. 416 00:31:15,872 --> 00:31:27,155 [♪♪♪] 417 00:31:44,745 --> 00:31:47,316 I don't think that that makes, you know, 418 00:31:47,416 --> 00:31:49,152 Robert and Banksy the same guy. 419 00:31:49,252 --> 00:31:53,592 I mean, I would love for somebody to go deeper and say: 420 00:31:53,692 --> 00:31:56,696 "When was a Banksy done in a certain city and Massive Attack 421 00:31:56,796 --> 00:31:58,199 was completely somewhere else? 422 00:32:27,973 --> 00:32:32,547 You would never be able now to know who Banksy is. 423 00:32:36,852 --> 00:32:40,124 At least 50 to 60 percent of my time was spent trying 424 00:32:40,224 --> 00:32:41,325 to keep him anonymous. 425 00:32:41,425 --> 00:32:42,092 INTERVIEWER: How? 426 00:32:42,193 --> 00:32:43,128 All sorts of things. 427 00:32:43,228 --> 00:32:45,064 We do fake news stories. 428 00:32:45,165 --> 00:32:49,270 We were way ahead of Donald Trump on the fake news, like. 429 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:51,506 part of it was to put out new stories, 430 00:32:51,606 --> 00:32:54,910 I put the website and everything's under my name, 431 00:32:55,011 --> 00:32:56,546 you know, lots of things we did 432 00:32:56,646 --> 00:32:59,917 that I'm not going to tell you about. 433 00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:05,693 My years with Banksy were the best years of my life. 434 00:33:05,793 --> 00:33:08,597 We lived like kings, but without any rules. 435 00:33:12,836 --> 00:33:15,807 I picked out some of my favorite over the years. 436 00:33:15,907 --> 00:33:19,512 This is my favourite portrait, that I have done. 437 00:33:19,612 --> 00:33:21,615 I think we went from there to the city farm 438 00:33:21,715 --> 00:33:23,951 and did something really weird. 439 00:33:24,051 --> 00:33:25,154 This was great. 440 00:33:25,254 --> 00:33:28,391 This was in West London and it's a good example of him 441 00:33:28,491 --> 00:33:32,463 working middle of the day, that's not a quick stencil, 442 00:33:32,564 --> 00:33:34,833 that's not five minutes done. 443 00:33:34,933 --> 00:33:37,638 That's probably an hour of him on the street, 444 00:33:37,738 --> 00:33:41,042 doing a piece with no one saying shit. 445 00:33:41,143 --> 00:33:50,055 [♪♪♪] 446 00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:54,694 There was another time where we set closed off a street 447 00:33:54,794 --> 00:33:57,331 with cones with guys with high vest jackets, 448 00:33:57,431 --> 00:33:59,201 pretending that the road was closed, 449 00:33:59,301 --> 00:34:01,637 so he can do big piece underneath a bridge. 450 00:34:01,737 --> 00:34:03,940 All sorts of various techniques. 451 00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:10,250 I've never, ever known him do anything at night. 452 00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:14,622 It's like an invisibility cloak: you put on a boiler suit 453 00:34:14,722 --> 00:34:17,058 and a high vest jacket 454 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,464 and you look like you're supposed to be where you are. 455 00:34:20,564 --> 00:34:22,767 Most people just walk past. 456 00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:36,886 [♪♪♪] 457 00:34:36,986 --> 00:34:39,924 WILL: Institutions are very careful about making sure 458 00:34:40,025 --> 00:34:42,027 no one steals their paintings. 459 00:34:42,127 --> 00:34:45,599 However, they never had any interest in people 460 00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:47,802 going in there to put up a painting. 461 00:34:47,902 --> 00:34:51,807 So he sort of shuffled along, dressed in a sort of beard 462 00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:56,781 and mac and everything and put in a painting on walls. 463 00:34:56,881 --> 00:35:05,994 [♪♪♪] 464 00:35:13,438 --> 00:35:16,209 And of course, it was Banksy who put it up, 465 00:35:16,309 --> 00:35:18,779 but already there was a bit of a team with him. 466 00:35:18,879 --> 00:35:22,651 I went with him, so we did a dry run the day before. 467 00:35:22,751 --> 00:35:25,189 And we went back the next day to do it for real. 468 00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:27,357 So I had a little camcorder, so I was filming us. 469 00:35:27,457 --> 00:35:30,962 We went up steps to go to get into the Tate. 470 00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:34,201 A security guard stops me, says: "You're not allowed to film". 471 00:35:34,301 --> 00:35:35,569 Alright shit. 472 00:35:35,669 --> 00:35:40,142 It's like if we don't film it, then it's all for nothing. 473 00:35:40,243 --> 00:35:43,380 I end up flicking the lens cap off the camcorder 474 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,818 and film it all with the camera down by my hip, 475 00:35:46,918 --> 00:35:49,021 just hoping that there was some footage, 476 00:35:49,121 --> 00:35:50,957 which there was in the end. 477 00:35:59,035 --> 00:36:00,671 So everything was kind of planned out 478 00:36:00,771 --> 00:36:01,905 with meticulous precision. 479 00:36:02,005 --> 00:36:03,908 Nothing was really left to chance. 480 00:36:04,008 --> 00:36:06,612 There wasn't many things that happened that weren't like 481 00:36:06,712 --> 00:36:08,915 thought through and planned. 482 00:36:22,301 --> 00:36:24,937 It's almost part of his kind of modus operandi 483 00:36:25,038 --> 00:36:28,042 to choose remote areas. 484 00:36:28,142 --> 00:36:31,146 They seem random but there are quite premeditated. 485 00:36:37,021 --> 00:36:38,824 [indistinct chatter] 486 00:36:38,924 --> 00:36:47,068 [♪♪♪] 487 00:37:29,695 --> 00:37:33,834 [♪♪♪] 488 00:37:33,934 --> 00:37:35,704 ROBIN: The work he's done in Palestine 489 00:37:35,804 --> 00:37:37,507 drawn so much world attention, 490 00:37:37,607 --> 00:37:40,378 for the young people who would have never engaged 491 00:37:40,478 --> 00:37:42,714 with what Palestine is, what Israel is, 492 00:37:42,814 --> 00:37:44,283 are suddenly aware of this. 493 00:37:44,383 --> 00:37:48,555 And I think his crusade to make that visible 494 00:37:48,655 --> 00:37:51,926 and to highlight the injustice that's happening there, 495 00:37:52,026 --> 00:37:53,962 I think is admirable. 496 00:37:57,066 --> 00:38:00,506 Banksy has set up the hotel in Bethlehem 497 00:38:00,606 --> 00:38:02,274 as a political statement. 498 00:38:02,374 --> 00:38:06,179 It's a big attraction to western holiday makers. 499 00:38:08,149 --> 00:38:09,484 REPORTER: The hotel is very special 500 00:38:09,584 --> 00:38:13,690 because it's the hotel with the worst view in the whole world. 501 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:20,734 ROB: So it attracts these people and while they're staying there, 502 00:38:20,834 --> 00:38:23,771 they get to hear about the exact political situation 503 00:38:23,871 --> 00:38:25,274 of the Palestinian people, 504 00:38:25,374 --> 00:38:27,810 which isn't normally reflected in the television news, 505 00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:29,612 particularly well, 506 00:38:29,712 --> 00:38:33,017 or in a balanced fashion against the other side of the story. 507 00:39:18,515 --> 00:39:21,051 We had this idea of raising money for a project 508 00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:23,822 to provide fresh water for one village in Chiapas. 509 00:39:24,623 --> 00:39:27,126 The Zapatiste is an armed social movement who rose up against the 510 00:39:27,226 --> 00:39:30,432 Mexican state and against 500 years of oppression 511 00:39:30,532 --> 00:39:32,901 and I think Banksy felt an affinity for the Zapatiste cause 512 00:39:33,001 --> 00:39:35,305 as we all did. 513 00:39:39,243 --> 00:39:42,147 Banksy painted some murals in those communities, 514 00:39:42,247 --> 00:39:44,384 did his research before he went out there, 515 00:39:44,484 --> 00:39:46,654 so he looked at artistic tradition 516 00:39:46,754 --> 00:39:48,156 that there is out there. 517 00:39:51,627 --> 00:39:53,397 This was the first time he had gone abroad, 518 00:39:53,497 --> 00:39:56,734 and he had done painting abroad and tried to shine a spotlight 519 00:39:56,834 --> 00:39:59,472 on a struggle in a different part of the world. 520 00:39:59,572 --> 00:40:01,975 Of course after that he went to various other places 521 00:40:02,075 --> 00:40:03,110 around the world. 522 00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:12,189 [♪♪♪] 523 00:40:17,964 --> 00:40:19,400 REPORTER: Season's Greetings was the only comment 524 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,069 from Banksy as he posts this video on line, 525 00:40:22,169 --> 00:40:24,006 confirming he was behind this gift 526 00:40:24,106 --> 00:40:26,075 to the people of Port Talbot. 527 00:40:26,175 --> 00:40:28,212 At first glance the boy's playing in the snow 528 00:40:28,313 --> 00:40:29,880 but the work expands to reveal a 529 00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:32,685 burning skip and the ash it emits. 530 00:40:32,785 --> 00:40:35,055 It's the kind of political messaging that is often 531 00:40:35,155 --> 00:40:37,024 in his work and references the impact 532 00:40:37,124 --> 00:40:39,528 of Port Talbot industrial skyline. 533 00:41:12,975 --> 00:41:15,078 JAMES: I imagine that's part of the excitement 534 00:41:15,178 --> 00:41:16,279 from his point of view. 535 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:18,315 I don't know how much exploration he does, 536 00:41:18,416 --> 00:41:21,853 but to find areas knowing there will be publicity 537 00:41:21,953 --> 00:41:22,822 and excitement, 538 00:41:22,922 --> 00:41:24,791 it almost forces the media then to travel 539 00:41:24,891 --> 00:41:28,397 to these places and explore little pockets of the UK. 540 00:41:28,497 --> 00:41:30,500 So it's quite a clever concept, really, 541 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:36,641 to actually enforce people to be part of his plan. 542 00:41:36,741 --> 00:41:40,013 What did you guys think when you saw it for the first time? 543 00:41:40,113 --> 00:41:42,583 I thought that anybody can do that. 544 00:41:42,683 --> 00:41:43,518 [laughing] 545 00:41:43,618 --> 00:41:45,787 It shows I don't know anything about art. 546 00:41:45,887 --> 00:41:50,794 But the more I looked at it and I come to appreciate it now. 547 00:41:50,894 --> 00:41:52,597 [laughing] 548 00:41:52,697 --> 00:41:55,100 INTERVIEWER: Do you think Banksy is here today? 549 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,669 MAN: Is he? 550 00:41:56,769 --> 00:41:57,504 INTERVIEWER: No, I'm asking you. Do you think he's here? 551 00:41:57,604 --> 00:41:58,905 MAN: But we don't know, nobody knows. 552 00:41:59,005 --> 00:42:00,542 MAN 2: You could be interview with him? 553 00:42:00,642 --> 00:42:02,209 [laughing] 554 00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:04,279 MAN: A lot of intrigue around that. 555 00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:06,015 MAN 2: Yeah. 556 00:42:12,959 --> 00:42:15,062 [drill whirring] 557 00:42:21,003 --> 00:42:29,582 [♪♪♪] 558 00:42:34,489 --> 00:42:36,792 So, you know, Banksy puts an art on walls, 559 00:42:36,892 --> 00:42:39,762 in places that he thinks there will safe 560 00:42:39,862 --> 00:42:41,331 and I come along and take it away. 561 00:42:41,432 --> 00:42:43,602 [laughing] 562 00:42:43,702 --> 00:42:44,803 And that is what gives you great pleasure? 563 00:42:44,903 --> 00:42:46,271 It gives me. 564 00:42:46,372 --> 00:42:48,709 I mean, as I said I own about 20 originals. 565 00:42:48,809 --> 00:42:52,013 And the trouble is that a lot of his artworks is got tagged 566 00:42:52,113 --> 00:42:53,816 or damaged by other artists. 567 00:42:53,916 --> 00:42:55,952 So now it's the case of moving it into town, 568 00:42:56,052 --> 00:42:57,822 and then it will be permanently on display 569 00:42:57,922 --> 00:42:59,824 where people can just see it all the time. 570 00:43:00,792 --> 00:43:02,060 Bullshit! 571 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,499 If someone walks into a warehouse 572 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,638 and finds a Banksy sprayed on a gas canister, fair enough! 573 00:43:09,738 --> 00:43:12,676 But if you go around in reckoning off a public wall 574 00:43:12,776 --> 00:43:14,611 and taking it outside of somewhere, 575 00:43:14,711 --> 00:43:17,382 you're just making the city a poorer place. 576 00:43:19,184 --> 00:43:23,157 It's just a very twenty first century, self-centred, 577 00:43:23,257 --> 00:43:25,594 narcissistic thing to do. 578 00:43:25,694 --> 00:43:27,797 And they should be punished. 579 00:43:27,897 --> 00:43:30,000 Corporately death. 580 00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:35,741 [♪♪♪] 581 00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:40,982 There we have Banksy going to in his new home, 582 00:43:41,082 --> 00:43:46,189 but it doesn't matter, because if we turn around by here, 583 00:43:46,289 --> 00:43:49,660 we have Banksy on my wall. 584 00:43:52,097 --> 00:43:55,268 They are now moving it and putting inside the building. 585 00:43:55,368 --> 00:43:56,504 That is not street art! 586 00:43:56,604 --> 00:43:58,573 It's building art, not the same. 587 00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,310 It's got no meaning downtown. 588 00:44:01,411 --> 00:44:05,149 It was done here to cover the steelworks, it's got a meaning. 589 00:44:05,249 --> 00:44:08,120 It should be left out on the street for everybody to enjoy! 590 00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:10,023 That's why he's done it for. 591 00:44:10,123 --> 00:44:13,461 Banksy doesn't do it to sell them, you know, 592 00:44:13,561 --> 00:44:16,998 he proves that with his painting that he shredded. 593 00:44:17,098 --> 00:44:20,170 No, all they want to do is making money from it! 594 00:44:21,004 --> 00:44:23,041 I will miss him now. 595 00:44:23,141 --> 00:44:25,478 I will open my gate and what do I got? 596 00:44:25,578 --> 00:44:26,446 [chuckles] 597 00:44:26,546 --> 00:44:29,015 A big hole in the wall! 598 00:44:30,151 --> 00:44:31,753 Yes, that's not great. 599 00:44:31,853 --> 00:44:33,355 [chuckles] 600 00:44:33,456 --> 00:44:35,224 That's not good. 601 00:44:39,096 --> 00:44:42,602 Banksy is so careful about where pieces should be placed, 602 00:44:42,702 --> 00:44:46,106 and he doesn't particularly mind if they stay there 603 00:44:46,206 --> 00:44:47,842 only for a time. 604 00:44:47,942 --> 00:44:49,811 But they shouldn't be taken out of that place 605 00:44:49,911 --> 00:44:52,014 for God knows how much money! 606 00:45:13,778 --> 00:45:16,716 REPORTER: Exclusive video of guys who decided to scale 607 00:45:16,816 --> 00:45:19,586 a building, cut down a latest Banksy work and-- 608 00:45:46,991 --> 00:45:49,795 Having a Banksy that's taken off the wall and being sold, 609 00:45:49,895 --> 00:45:54,068 I just think it's morally and ethically really wrong. 610 00:45:58,340 --> 00:46:02,847 For a decade, I was making money out of Banksy street works 611 00:46:02,947 --> 00:46:07,119 and I saw absolutely nothing wrong with what I was doing. 612 00:46:12,928 --> 00:46:15,832 I recall sitting in my delicatessen, down in Kent, 613 00:46:15,932 --> 00:46:17,502 and I got a call from a colleague, 614 00:46:17,602 --> 00:46:19,403 saying: Have you seen the new Banksy? 615 00:46:19,504 --> 00:46:21,106 And I was like: Really? 616 00:46:21,206 --> 00:46:22,474 Another Banksy? 617 00:46:22,575 --> 00:46:24,911 And by this point, I was, not famous for it but I was known, 618 00:46:25,012 --> 00:46:27,682 notorious, for the guy who takes Banksys away 619 00:46:27,782 --> 00:46:28,817 and upsets everyone. 620 00:46:28,917 --> 00:46:30,319 I said: Send me a picture. 621 00:46:30,419 --> 00:46:33,657 He send me a picture of this really ugly mural on the wall. 622 00:46:33,757 --> 00:46:37,161 But, I saw its potential to make considerable money. 623 00:46:41,635 --> 00:46:43,571 ‘Art buff' is a an elderly lady, 624 00:46:43,671 --> 00:46:45,941 she's got one of those headsets on, 625 00:46:46,041 --> 00:46:48,578 that you go to a gallery and somebody's telling you 626 00:46:48,678 --> 00:46:49,979 what the artwork means, 627 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,087 and in the front there is a plinth and the plinth is empty. 628 00:46:57,858 --> 00:46:59,660 My intention was to make as much as money 629 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,328 as I could possibly could. 630 00:47:01,428 --> 00:47:03,499 I had good contacts at the Miami Art Fair, 631 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,401 I've been there a number of times. 632 00:47:05,502 --> 00:47:10,275 I had the credentials necessary and I agreed that we will try, 633 00:47:10,375 --> 00:47:12,912 attempt to remove the piece, with a team of guys who can 634 00:47:13,012 --> 00:47:15,783 pretty much move anything on the planet. 635 00:47:15,883 --> 00:47:23,293 [♪♪♪] 636 00:47:23,393 --> 00:47:25,329 [sea gulls] 637 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,904 I should have perhaps realized what they were going to do 638 00:47:31,004 --> 00:47:35,944 because they come in and start covering the area with scaffolds 639 00:47:36,044 --> 00:47:38,347 and chopping the Banksy out of the wall. 640 00:47:44,422 --> 00:47:45,691 [drill whirring] 641 00:47:45,791 --> 00:47:47,192 We started at about 8 o'clock in the morning. 642 00:47:47,292 --> 00:47:50,698 As the noise echoed across Folkestone, 643 00:47:50,798 --> 00:47:53,335 suddenly more and more people started appearing. 644 00:47:53,435 --> 00:47:56,105 And it was clear that they were carrying protests placards, 645 00:47:56,205 --> 00:48:00,145 they were venomously against what was going on. 646 00:48:00,245 --> 00:48:02,749 It felt like we were being robbed of Folkestone's Banksy, 647 00:48:02,849 --> 00:48:03,850 you know. 648 00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:05,753 We believed it belonged to our town. 649 00:48:05,853 --> 00:48:09,123 We wanted to benefit from it and to see everyday. 650 00:48:13,029 --> 00:48:14,898 We could be quite smug: We've got a Banksy. 651 00:48:14,998 --> 00:48:15,967 Have you got a Banksy? 652 00:48:16,067 --> 00:48:17,503 It was a bit like that. 653 00:48:20,574 --> 00:48:24,178 I mean, these were relatively middle-class, working-class, 654 00:48:24,278 --> 00:48:28,250 small town folk, who suddenly turned into these sort of 655 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,355 harrows and monsters screaming abusers at my construction guys. 656 00:48:32,455 --> 00:48:35,027 I mean, it wasn't just verbal abuse, it was physical abuse. 657 00:48:35,127 --> 00:48:37,564 It was just, no, why are you taking it? 658 00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:39,099 How can it be taken away? 659 00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:41,035 And I think, the fact that everyone felt it has been taken 660 00:48:41,135 --> 00:48:45,575 away for money, was even more frustrating. 661 00:48:47,243 --> 00:48:50,215 Everybody run up there, they're trying to stop it happening. 662 00:48:50,315 --> 00:48:53,152 And then Robin Barton, bank-robber as he's known, 663 00:48:53,252 --> 00:48:55,288 the galerist, he was there walking around, 664 00:48:55,388 --> 00:48:57,826 winding everybody up and telling them that he had total rights 665 00:48:57,926 --> 00:48:59,327 to take it. 666 00:48:59,427 --> 00:49:01,230 Because the more upset you are, the more noise there is. 667 00:49:01,330 --> 00:49:03,867 The more noise there is, the more media there is. 668 00:49:03,967 --> 00:49:06,571 The more media there is, the more value there is. 669 00:49:10,977 --> 00:49:12,445 It was a long, long day. 670 00:49:12,547 --> 00:49:15,483 I mean, it was fourteen hours of drilling and cutting. 671 00:49:15,584 --> 00:49:18,721 We finally pulled the last piece of the wall out, 672 00:49:18,821 --> 00:49:20,758 around about sunset. 673 00:49:20,858 --> 00:49:23,461 And off it flew, out to Miami. 674 00:49:27,568 --> 00:49:29,502 By putting it in Miami, the contrast would be 675 00:49:29,603 --> 00:49:31,372 so great from where it originally came from: 676 00:49:31,472 --> 00:49:35,278 a broken down third world town of Folkestone 677 00:49:35,378 --> 00:49:37,682 and then you've got the glitz and glamour of Miami. 678 00:49:37,782 --> 00:49:40,451 And having all the Americans staring at it was quite 679 00:49:40,552 --> 00:49:41,620 appealing to me. 680 00:49:43,556 --> 00:49:47,094 As you came into Art Miami, there was, right in the middle, 681 00:49:47,194 --> 00:49:50,265 with a price tag of half a million dollars on it. 682 00:49:53,704 --> 00:49:56,207 There's of course a certain irony about selling an artwork 683 00:49:56,307 --> 00:49:58,476 for a huge amount of money to a collector, 684 00:49:58,577 --> 00:50:01,748 about the vacuousness of the collecting of artwork 685 00:50:01,848 --> 00:50:04,585 and how value is put on art, and so on. 686 00:50:04,685 --> 00:50:06,722 But no, it was painted to go on that wall, 687 00:50:06,822 --> 00:50:11,829 it was painted to be in a urban setting and we'd actively got 688 00:50:11,929 --> 00:50:14,098 involved in trying to bring it back. 689 00:50:19,505 --> 00:50:25,882 Because it's an illegal act and put out there in the street, 690 00:50:25,982 --> 00:50:26,783 covertly, without permission, there is no 691 00:50:26,883 --> 00:50:28,385 copyright issued whatsoever. 692 00:50:28,485 --> 00:50:31,189 The person who owns that wall, that door, that window, 693 00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:34,160 that floor is the owner of that artwork. 694 00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:37,732 And it gives me the right, on behalf of those freeholders, 695 00:50:37,832 --> 00:50:39,734 to sell the works. 696 00:50:39,834 --> 00:50:40,435 INTERVIEWER: So it's legal? 697 00:50:40,535 --> 00:50:43,139 It's completely legal as long as, 698 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,377 and this is the critical mess, as long as the freeholder 699 00:50:46,477 --> 00:50:49,547 can prove without question they are the freeholder. 700 00:50:49,648 --> 00:50:52,251 But that doesn't tell you who emotionally owns it. 701 00:50:52,351 --> 00:50:54,922 It's emotionally owned by the people of the town going: 702 00:50:55,023 --> 00:50:57,192 "This is Folkestone's Banksy. 703 00:50:57,292 --> 00:51:00,430 I'm from Folkestone, it's my Banksy." 704 00:51:00,530 --> 00:51:09,442 [♪♪♪] 705 00:51:11,512 --> 00:51:13,548 ROBIN: While I was sunning myself in Miami, 706 00:51:13,649 --> 00:51:16,753 and drinking I don't know what, I've got a lawyer's letter 707 00:51:16,853 --> 00:51:20,458 saying: We have discovered there is a greater freeholder, 708 00:51:20,558 --> 00:51:23,996 and that the Godden family were indeed not the freeholders 709 00:51:24,096 --> 00:51:25,232 of the building. 710 00:51:25,332 --> 00:51:28,703 At this point, it was game over. 711 00:51:32,676 --> 00:51:35,412 I was forced to dip my hands in my pocket 712 00:51:35,512 --> 00:51:37,650 and pay for it to me returned to Folkestone. 713 00:51:42,288 --> 00:51:44,892 It's good that we've got one, it's good that we kept it. 714 00:51:44,992 --> 00:51:49,866 No one can touch it now, it's our Banksy, owned by Folkestone. 715 00:51:52,536 --> 00:51:53,571 Hands off. 716 00:51:53,672 --> 00:52:02,585 [♪♪♪] 717 00:52:11,763 --> 00:52:13,966 So you can see that the whole piece looks amazing 718 00:52:14,066 --> 00:52:15,936 but if you look slightly close up and see 719 00:52:16,036 --> 00:52:17,538 that it has been chopped here. 720 00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,276 The painting is cracked and it is where the saw came, 721 00:52:21,376 --> 00:52:24,948 just cut this out of the wall and that's, you know. 722 00:52:25,049 --> 00:52:28,586 The thing about Banksy is the story as much as the artwork. 723 00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:30,957 It is never just the painting, it is what happen afterwards, 724 00:52:31,057 --> 00:52:34,494 how people talk about, people demonstrating in the street, 725 00:52:34,595 --> 00:52:37,298 people saying that's ours and you can't take it. 726 00:52:37,398 --> 00:52:40,370 So, I don't mind this cuts because I think people would be 727 00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:42,472 able to understand the story better 728 00:52:42,573 --> 00:52:44,909 with these little marks going through it. 729 00:52:49,515 --> 00:52:51,518 Don't mess with Folkestone that's the moral of the story, 730 00:52:51,619 --> 00:52:53,889 because we love art in this community. 731 00:52:53,989 --> 00:52:57,460 I don't feel guilty about anything I did in Folkestone. 732 00:52:57,561 --> 00:53:00,666 And whereas Banksy clearly set his stall up, 733 00:53:00,766 --> 00:53:02,869 as being the Robin Hood of the art world, 734 00:53:02,969 --> 00:53:05,673 I suddenly realised that there I was: the sheriff of Nottingham. 735 00:53:05,773 --> 00:53:08,342 I was the bad guy, he was the good guy. 736 00:53:08,442 --> 00:53:09,844 Now, I watch movies. 737 00:53:09,944 --> 00:53:10,813 Who do I want to be? 738 00:53:10,913 --> 00:53:11,781 The bad guy. 739 00:53:11,881 --> 00:53:14,550 Bansky I suppose is up here, just looking down 740 00:53:14,651 --> 00:53:18,256 at this little thing he made. 741 00:53:18,356 --> 00:53:20,559 It's just a massive old circus. 742 00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:28,838 [♪♪♪] 743 00:53:28,938 --> 00:53:29,571 CROWD: What do we want? 744 00:53:29,672 --> 00:53:30,373 Banksy! 745 00:53:30,473 --> 00:53:31,408 When do we want it? 746 00:53:31,508 --> 00:53:32,644 Now! 747 00:53:32,744 --> 00:53:34,813 Save our Banksy! 748 00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:42,256 Society has embraced him at such point, 749 00:53:42,356 --> 00:53:45,962 where he's become part of the establishment. 750 00:53:46,595 --> 00:53:48,498 Possibly something he'd kick against if he could, 751 00:53:48,598 --> 00:53:51,402 but I'm not sure that creating a prank at Sotheby's 752 00:53:51,502 --> 00:53:53,172 with "The girl with the balloon" 753 00:53:53,272 --> 00:53:55,475 is a good way of distancing yourself 754 00:53:55,575 --> 00:53:58,780 from all the things he dislikes. 755 00:54:00,049 --> 00:54:01,751 REPORTER: A stunt like no other. 756 00:54:01,851 --> 00:54:06,724 The iconic image known as "Girl with balloon" self-destructs. 757 00:54:06,824 --> 00:54:08,761 A Banksy painting sells at auctions for 758 00:54:08,861 --> 00:54:10,664 one point four millions. 759 00:54:10,764 --> 00:54:13,267 I'm frustrated that it didn't shred completely 760 00:54:13,367 --> 00:54:15,971 because I think a wholly shredded picture, 761 00:54:16,071 --> 00:54:19,876 with just bits and pieces, lying on the floor, 762 00:54:19,976 --> 00:54:22,312 is not worth much money. 763 00:54:22,412 --> 00:54:24,448 I mean, if the buyer got these bits and pieces, 764 00:54:24,548 --> 00:54:25,751 what is she suppose to do? 765 00:54:25,851 --> 00:54:27,721 Stick them together? 766 00:54:30,291 --> 00:54:32,293 It wasn't a destructive process. 767 00:54:32,393 --> 00:54:34,529 It was a change and of course, in the end, 768 00:54:34,629 --> 00:54:37,100 he gave the painting a new name, and a new date, 769 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,568 and now it's a different work. 770 00:54:38,669 --> 00:54:40,972 So you criticize the market but you give it 771 00:54:41,072 --> 00:54:42,742 what it wants at the same time. 772 00:54:42,842 --> 00:54:47,414 So yes, I think I found that was a bit lame really. 773 00:55:09,578 --> 00:55:10,814 After the event, 774 00:55:10,914 --> 00:55:14,218 we had probably around fifty to sixty inquiries 775 00:55:14,318 --> 00:55:17,256 on Banksy's Girl with Balloon print. 776 00:55:17,356 --> 00:55:20,828 So yes, the demand went sky high, 777 00:55:20,928 --> 00:55:24,499 especially with Girl with Balloon. 778 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,170 INTERVIEWER: Does he makes money from that? 779 00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:29,373 Indirectly, I'm sure he does. 780 00:55:29,473 --> 00:55:30,842 INTERVIEWER: How? 781 00:55:30,942 --> 00:55:34,113 I can't say. 782 00:55:34,213 --> 00:55:35,448 INTERVIEWER: You can't? 783 00:55:35,548 --> 00:55:37,184 No because I'm very good friends with my collectors. 784 00:55:37,284 --> 00:55:39,888 They can't see me saying that, sorry. 785 00:55:39,988 --> 00:55:45,162 He's becoming a capitalist like his good friend Robin Barton. 786 00:55:49,835 --> 00:55:51,871 There is so much money being made, by Banksy, 787 00:55:51,971 --> 00:55:54,574 and by this entourage, and by his colleagues, 788 00:55:54,675 --> 00:55:58,214 friends that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy 789 00:55:58,314 --> 00:56:00,017 that you become the very person 790 00:56:00,117 --> 00:56:02,452 that you didn't like when you started out. 791 00:56:02,553 --> 00:56:05,524 You become the person sitting in a ivory tower. 792 00:56:05,624 --> 00:56:08,695 Can you have a relevant voice when you are so removed 793 00:56:08,795 --> 00:56:11,966 from the very thing you started talking about? 794 00:56:17,507 --> 00:56:20,145 He still has an agent, he as a manager. 795 00:56:20,245 --> 00:56:22,581 Yes, there is definitely a lot of people working 796 00:56:22,681 --> 00:56:24,583 really hard to protect him. 797 00:56:25,819 --> 00:56:29,423 Banksy's not the guy who put the spray can anymore. 798 00:56:29,523 --> 00:56:31,660 He's a lot bigger than that. 799 00:56:38,003 --> 00:56:42,743 Banksy is so famous now and he keeps putting himself 800 00:56:42,843 --> 00:56:44,644 in situations and doing really big things 801 00:56:44,745 --> 00:56:47,717 that we deserve to know who he is. 802 00:56:49,986 --> 00:56:54,192 And I think the journalist who one day will reveal him will be, 803 00:56:54,292 --> 00:56:57,196 will go down in history books for being the guy or the girl 804 00:56:57,296 --> 00:56:59,132 who revealed who Banksy was. 805 00:57:08,713 --> 00:57:12,250 My source decided he wanted to stay anonymous. 806 00:57:15,723 --> 00:57:18,960 He is a forensic expert, due diligences, 807 00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,696 he looks through companies and the owners of companies 808 00:57:21,797 --> 00:57:23,666 to see the trails there. 809 00:57:30,676 --> 00:57:32,813 I'd like to remain anonymous 810 00:57:32,913 --> 00:57:37,619 because I just don't want any kind of exposure. 811 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,621 This is just an itch I needed to scratch, 812 00:57:39,722 --> 00:57:41,524 I was just intrigued by the all thing. 813 00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:43,361 I don't need any kind of hate mail 814 00:57:43,461 --> 00:57:44,996 for exposing Banksy 815 00:57:45,097 --> 00:57:47,567 because that would probably be a bunch of people 816 00:57:47,667 --> 00:57:48,802 who are very angry, 817 00:57:48,902 --> 00:57:51,605 if it turned out I was right. 818 00:57:51,705 --> 00:58:00,852 [♪♪♪] 819 00:58:04,957 --> 00:58:08,797 ANONYMOUS MAN: Banksy has just released a documentary, 820 00:58:08,897 --> 00:58:10,866 Exit through the gift shop . 821 00:58:10,966 --> 00:58:14,204 And it got a bit of noise at that time 822 00:58:14,304 --> 00:58:16,707 and then it got nominated for an Academy Award. 823 00:58:16,808 --> 00:58:19,845 And he still is trying to claim 824 00:58:19,945 --> 00:58:23,383 that he was some sort of anonymity, 825 00:58:23,483 --> 00:58:24,684 which is impossible 826 00:58:24,785 --> 00:58:27,122 if you're making any film like that. 827 00:58:27,824 --> 00:58:29,759 As soon as business is involved 828 00:58:29,859 --> 00:58:32,663 and you want to make some money out of that, 829 00:58:32,764 --> 00:58:34,032 you have to register the companies 830 00:58:34,132 --> 00:58:36,435 and the money has to go somewhere. 831 00:58:36,535 --> 00:58:37,871 And then there is a paper trail. 832 00:58:38,972 --> 00:58:42,143 So I looked up what the production company was. 833 00:58:42,243 --> 00:58:45,348 It was a company called Paranoid Pictures. 834 00:58:48,853 --> 00:58:51,456 And if you look through this company document 835 00:58:51,556 --> 00:58:53,760 on the annual return, 836 00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:55,929 you will find that it is actually owned by another 837 00:58:56,029 --> 00:58:59,633 company called Pest Control Office Ltd. 838 00:59:00,302 --> 00:59:03,673 This is the company that is solely there to verify 839 00:59:03,774 --> 00:59:05,642 Banksy works of art, 840 00:59:05,742 --> 00:59:07,111 to make sure that they're not fakes 841 00:59:07,211 --> 00:59:10,316 and they're really actually made by Banksy himself. 842 00:59:11,117 --> 00:59:14,688 So this company is the owner of Paranoid Pictures. 843 00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:18,027 And if you look through the annual return here, 844 00:59:18,127 --> 00:59:20,397 this in itself is owned by a company 845 00:59:20,497 --> 00:59:22,332 called Pictures on Wall Limited. 846 00:59:23,101 --> 00:59:25,070 So if you go to Picture On Wall Limited, 847 00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:28,008 looking through this annual return, 848 00:59:28,108 --> 00:59:30,377 at the time of my investigation, 849 00:59:30,477 --> 00:59:35,018 you can see that the sole owner is Jamie Hewlett. 850 00:59:38,956 --> 00:59:42,493 Jamie Hewlett, the founder of Gorillaz. 851 00:59:45,665 --> 00:59:46,699 It makes sense. 852 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,503 Gorillaz, Banksy is in their music video. 853 00:59:49,603 --> 00:59:51,106 He is. 854 00:59:51,206 --> 00:59:54,310 Yes, I just thought this is him. 855 00:59:58,884 --> 01:00:00,553 Gorillaz is a fake band. 856 01:00:00,653 --> 01:00:02,689 They're not actually humans. 857 01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:05,260 They're meant to be this characters, 858 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,131 which is very close to what Banksy is doing as well. 859 01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:19,712 The other guy in Gorillaz, Damon Albarn has another band 860 01:00:19,813 --> 01:00:23,919 called Blur and Banksy made the front cover for their album. 861 01:00:25,154 --> 01:00:28,793 This Blur album cover was designed by Banksy himself. 862 01:00:28,893 --> 01:00:31,162 If you look at this, still hear from 863 01:00:31,262 --> 01:00:33,099 one of the Gorillaz music videos: 864 01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:37,137 that is a Banksy in the actual music video itself. 865 01:00:42,612 --> 01:00:44,647 It was surprising to see that everything just, 866 01:00:44,747 --> 01:00:46,383 kind of, added up. 867 01:00:46,483 --> 01:00:48,887 ANONYMOUS MAN: Another thing, I may be clutching at straws here, 868 01:00:48,987 --> 01:00:53,260 but a few years ago, when Banksy opened up his hotel, 869 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:59,101 some tourist posted video footage of who he or she 870 01:00:59,201 --> 01:01:02,573 believed may have been a Banksy spotting. 871 01:01:03,107 --> 01:01:04,742 And this person that they uncovered 872 01:01:04,843 --> 01:01:06,678 doing these graffiti stencils 873 01:01:06,778 --> 01:01:08,348 around the corner from the hotel 874 01:01:08,448 --> 01:01:10,451 actually looks like Jamie Hewlett 875 01:01:10,551 --> 01:01:14,589 from certain kind of facial similarities. 876 01:01:14,689 --> 01:01:16,092 Wow! 877 01:01:16,192 --> 01:01:18,795 I'm gonna reveal who Banksy is! 878 01:01:18,896 --> 01:01:22,400 It was too good, the information was too good not to publish. 879 01:01:28,977 --> 01:01:32,414 ANONYMOUS MAN: Since I made a bit of a noise, 880 01:01:32,515 --> 01:01:35,719 the very next annual return in 2017, 881 01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:38,023 if you look here, 882 01:01:38,123 --> 01:01:40,994 Jamie Hewlett has transferred all his shares 883 01:01:41,094 --> 01:01:43,530 to some called Marcus Samuel Chambers. 884 01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:48,137 So if I was suspicious, which of course I am, 885 01:01:48,237 --> 01:01:51,374 there's been a reaction to my action. 886 01:01:57,116 --> 01:01:59,585 It's not very kind of fun idea like using A. I. 887 01:01:59,685 --> 01:02:03,191 to see where people are based in the world at any one point. 888 01:02:03,291 --> 01:02:05,428 But this is pretty black and white theory 889 01:02:05,528 --> 01:02:06,930 which you can't deny. 890 01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:09,967 [siren wailing] 891 01:02:21,350 --> 01:02:23,753 MARTINE: Joanna Brooks e-mailed me, she's Banksy publicist, 892 01:02:23,854 --> 01:02:26,490 saying: "Jamie Hewlett is not Banksy. 893 01:02:26,590 --> 01:02:30,563 But she made a mistake and she spelt HEWLETT 894 01:02:30,663 --> 01:02:33,233 with an I, not an E. 895 01:02:36,171 --> 01:02:38,074 Which is wrong. 896 01:02:38,174 --> 01:02:41,111 So I thought: "Is this a sneaky way of not lying?" 897 01:02:41,211 --> 01:02:43,882 So if we do reveal him now and we say said: 898 01:02:43,982 --> 01:02:45,450 "But you lied." 899 01:02:45,550 --> 01:02:47,452 She will say: "No, because I didn't spell it the right way." 900 01:02:49,222 --> 01:02:50,992 If it's not Jamie Hewlett, 901 01:02:51,092 --> 01:02:53,761 I don't think I believe the other theories more. 902 01:02:53,862 --> 01:03:02,774 [♪♪♪] 903 01:03:08,516 --> 01:03:11,086 I went through every single story that had been written 904 01:03:11,186 --> 01:03:13,223 on Banksy to get clues: 905 01:03:13,323 --> 01:03:16,793 where he had been, who his friends were. 906 01:03:19,664 --> 01:03:23,803 There was one picture that supposedly was Banksy 907 01:03:23,904 --> 01:03:25,473 in Jamaïca. 908 01:03:25,573 --> 01:03:27,475 And it had been published in the Evening Standard. 909 01:03:27,576 --> 01:03:30,313 And then it sort of mysteriously disappeared 910 01:03:30,413 --> 01:03:33,317 and nobody knew who owned the copyright anymore. 911 01:03:33,417 --> 01:03:35,687 It was part of the mystery around Banksy. 912 01:03:45,334 --> 01:03:48,405 Finally I found someone who knew who he was. 913 01:03:48,505 --> 01:03:52,678 Someone that had interviewed Banksy, that knew Banksy, 914 01:03:52,778 --> 01:03:55,782 that knew who Banksy was, and told me that he was called 915 01:03:55,883 --> 01:03:57,484 Robin Gunningham. 916 01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:04,760 I first of all, I found out everything 917 01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:06,763 about Robin Gunningham I could: 918 01:04:06,863 --> 01:04:09,801 his birth certificate, his parent's names. 919 01:04:09,902 --> 01:04:12,973 I did his full family tree with his sisters and cousins 920 01:04:13,073 --> 01:04:14,674 and relatives. 921 01:04:14,774 --> 01:04:17,045 And then, I looked on the electoral roll, 922 01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,248 and all the places he'd lived 923 01:04:19,348 --> 01:04:22,520 seemed to be places where Banksy had lived. 924 01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:31,432 So I was fairly confident when I went down to Bristol 925 01:04:31,532 --> 01:04:33,902 with a team of people that I worked very well 926 01:04:34,002 --> 01:04:35,804 with to prove it. 927 01:04:35,905 --> 01:04:37,073 And I wanted to do it quickly 928 01:04:37,173 --> 01:04:40,311 because I didn't want another journalist to get the story. 929 01:04:44,216 --> 01:04:46,954 We spoke to someone called Luke Egan 930 01:04:47,054 --> 01:04:48,822 who denied knowing Robin Gunningham, 931 01:04:48,923 --> 01:04:50,225 but he'd lived with him. 932 01:04:52,963 --> 01:04:57,034 We spoke to a woman who had moved into a flat after 933 01:04:57,134 --> 01:04:58,770 Robin Gunningham had left, 934 01:04:58,870 --> 01:05:02,241 and she had discovered some old discarded Banksy drawings. 935 01:05:08,985 --> 01:05:12,222 I think the final piece in the jigsaw was the fact 936 01:05:12,322 --> 01:05:14,825 that one of the neighbours of where Robin grew up 937 01:05:14,926 --> 01:05:18,698 identified that initial photograph from Jamaica 938 01:05:18,798 --> 01:05:21,402 as Robin Gunningham. 939 01:05:21,502 --> 01:05:24,172 And I interviewed someone who went to school with him 940 01:05:24,272 --> 01:05:26,342 and he had a photograph of him at school 941 01:05:26,442 --> 01:05:29,113 and it looked similar to the picture 942 01:05:29,213 --> 01:05:31,016 that was taken in Jamaica. 943 01:05:35,455 --> 01:05:38,626 And when I spoke to mister Gunninghman, 944 01:05:38,726 --> 01:05:43,199 he was laughing and smiling and saying: I can't comment. 945 01:05:43,299 --> 01:05:47,772 And I said: Well, look, if your son is a teacher in Birmingham, 946 01:05:47,872 --> 01:05:50,309 you must tell me, because I'm going to put in the paper 947 01:05:50,409 --> 01:05:52,546 on the Sunday that he's Banksy. 948 01:05:52,646 --> 01:05:55,350 And he just said: I can't possibly say anything. 949 01:05:55,450 --> 01:05:58,354 Nobody, apart from Banksy's father, 950 01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:01,558 would have played games with me the way he did. 951 01:06:01,658 --> 01:06:03,694 "If you are familiar with the artist known as Banksy, 952 01:06:03,794 --> 01:06:05,931 he never publicly shown his face. 953 01:06:06,031 --> 01:06:08,901 Now though Banksy may actually been unmasked. 954 01:06:15,344 --> 01:06:16,812 REPORTER: The article claims Robin Gunningham, 955 01:06:16,912 --> 01:06:19,716 who is now thirty five, was great at art at school. 956 01:06:19,816 --> 01:06:22,387 Banksy has a background that was posh and privileged 957 01:06:22,487 --> 01:06:24,123 if this article is to be believed. 958 01:06:24,223 --> 01:06:27,394 He went to the school here, the Bristol Cathedral School. 959 01:06:27,494 --> 01:06:29,630 It's hardly the background of someone who made his name 960 01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:32,167 from being hip and street. 961 01:06:32,267 --> 01:06:41,380 [♪♪♪] 962 01:06:50,493 --> 01:06:51,461 DETECTIVE: Geographic profiling 963 01:06:51,561 --> 01:06:53,897 is a criminal investigative methodology. 964 01:06:53,998 --> 01:06:56,635 It was designed to help prioritize suspects 965 01:06:56,735 --> 01:07:01,375 and manage information in a large scale serial crime case. 966 01:07:02,610 --> 01:07:04,146 So if we have a serial murder, 967 01:07:04,246 --> 01:07:06,182 there's a pattern to where they hunt 968 01:07:06,282 --> 01:07:09,586 and the locations where the offender is most likely based. 969 01:07:11,889 --> 01:07:13,725 I was a member of the Vancouver Police Department, 970 01:07:13,825 --> 01:07:15,928 and because I had a background of mathematics, 971 01:07:16,029 --> 01:07:18,766 I wondered about what you might be able to extract 972 01:07:18,866 --> 01:07:22,672 in terms of information from a pattern of crime locations. 973 01:07:29,347 --> 01:07:32,686 What I'm showing right now is the top five percent of the area 974 01:07:32,786 --> 01:07:36,757 for the art that Banksy did while he was in New York City. 975 01:07:36,857 --> 01:07:39,128 I was able to find informations of thirty one 976 01:07:39,228 --> 01:07:41,231 of his graffiti artworks. 977 01:07:41,331 --> 01:07:45,637 So I put it in the Rigel system which I have opened here 978 01:07:45,737 --> 01:07:49,809 and you can see here Manhattan. 979 01:07:49,909 --> 01:07:53,181 And the dark orange shows the most probable area 980 01:07:53,281 --> 01:07:54,582 for Banksy's base: 981 01:07:54,682 --> 01:07:57,621 this could be where he was staying in a hotel, 982 01:07:57,721 --> 01:08:02,093 or if he was crashing at a friend's apartment or condo, 983 01:08:02,193 --> 01:08:05,665 between Union Square park, Washington square park 984 01:08:05,765 --> 01:08:08,970 and it's roughly north of Greenwich Village. 985 01:08:10,005 --> 01:08:12,508 Well, it doesn't tell us anything about Cunningham 986 01:08:12,608 --> 01:08:14,544 or about other suspects, 987 01:08:14,644 --> 01:08:17,949 but it would be if he were if he was still 988 01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:19,084 in New York, 989 01:08:19,184 --> 01:08:20,353 where you would probably want to focus your search 990 01:08:20,453 --> 01:08:22,589 efforts for him. 991 01:08:22,689 --> 01:08:26,061 Now if no one tried to find out who Banksy was, well, 992 01:08:26,161 --> 01:08:28,230 we'd all be rather boring, wouldn't it? 993 01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:34,538 This map here shows you through the red dots, 994 01:08:34,638 --> 01:08:37,910 locations associated with Banksy artwork. 995 01:08:38,011 --> 01:08:41,715 Blue dots, locations associated with Robin G, 996 01:08:41,815 --> 01:08:43,285 such as where did he live? 997 01:08:43,385 --> 01:08:44,152 Where did he go to school? 998 01:08:44,252 --> 01:08:45,588 Where did he work? 999 01:08:45,688 --> 01:08:47,757 Anything that you could associate with him. 1000 01:08:47,857 --> 01:08:50,428 If we have multiples Banksy suspects 1001 01:08:50,528 --> 01:08:52,397 we could see which ones came out best. 1002 01:08:52,497 --> 01:08:53,632 But we don't. 1003 01:08:53,732 --> 01:08:55,168 So the idea is, you look at this and you see 1004 01:08:55,268 --> 01:08:57,871 while that compares quite well. 1005 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,917 So that elevated the probability of him 1006 01:09:07,018 --> 01:09:10,289 being the correct suspect to a certain degree. 1007 01:09:10,389 --> 01:09:12,325 We're not proving anything here. 1008 01:09:12,425 --> 01:09:15,263 All we're doing is saying: "Here's some evidence that 1009 01:09:15,363 --> 01:09:19,768 either supports the Gunningham theory or doesn't support it." 1010 01:09:19,868 --> 01:09:22,272 In the end, it supported it quite well. 1011 01:09:23,741 --> 01:09:26,411 "Yes, this a science used to find criminals, 1012 01:09:26,511 --> 01:09:32,587 instead used to catch an artist, the person behind this: Banksy. 1013 01:09:33,488 --> 01:09:37,827 And scientists said they are 90% sure they have their man. 1014 01:09:37,927 --> 01:09:40,765 The spacial evidences or the artworks support the theory 1015 01:09:40,865 --> 01:09:43,335 that he is the suspect, that he is Banksy. 1016 01:09:43,435 --> 01:09:44,603 Mystery solved? 1017 01:09:44,703 --> 01:09:46,406 Don't bet on it. 1018 01:09:46,506 --> 01:09:48,242 Robin Gunningham, this public schoolboy, 1019 01:09:48,342 --> 01:09:52,715 I don't think that this person ever existed. 1020 01:09:52,815 --> 01:09:53,749 STEVE: I have a feeling that's another one 1021 01:09:53,849 --> 01:09:56,453 of our fake news thing maybe. 1022 01:09:56,553 --> 01:09:58,556 Maybe it's not. 1023 01:09:58,656 --> 01:09:59,724 [laughing] 1024 01:10:19,452 --> 01:10:22,289 WILL: Everyone likes to have another theory about Banksy. 1025 01:10:22,389 --> 01:10:26,995 There's nothing saying: "We can guarantee this is the man. 1026 01:10:27,096 --> 01:10:30,101 The weird thing is, like the Banksy's pieces, 1027 01:10:30,201 --> 01:10:31,502 anybody could do it. 1028 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:34,173 If Banksy gave me the stencil, I bought some spray paint, 1029 01:10:34,273 --> 01:10:36,243 I could go out and do it. 1030 01:10:38,046 --> 01:10:40,149 Banksy might have operatives all over the world, 1031 01:10:40,249 --> 01:10:42,151 maybe he's got like sleeper cells in every city. 1032 01:10:53,167 --> 01:10:54,701 Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes 1033 01:10:54,801 --> 01:10:57,272 regarding Banksy. 1034 01:10:57,372 --> 01:10:58,674 Who is he? 1035 01:10:58,774 --> 01:11:01,644 I sure don't really care, I'm not that bothered. 1036 01:11:01,744 --> 01:11:03,147 So, I'm not giving the game away. 1037 01:11:03,247 --> 01:11:04,615 It would be like telling a small child 1038 01:11:04,715 --> 01:11:07,018 that Santa Claus didn't exist. 1039 01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:09,755 And plus, I think the general public made him. 1040 01:11:09,855 --> 01:11:12,927 They made this folk hero. 1041 01:11:13,027 --> 01:11:17,433 And the last think they want is for someone to blow that myth. 1042 01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:27,180 It has been a very curious experience 1043 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,286 because there seems to be a sort of conspiracy 1044 01:11:31,386 --> 01:11:34,023 to suggest that I'm wrong. 1045 01:11:34,990 --> 01:11:36,493 People were like: "You're a fucking idiot, 1046 01:11:36,593 --> 01:11:38,063 you've ruined Banksy for me 1047 01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:39,964 because now I know what he looks like". 1048 01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:43,070 My retort to them is like: 1049 01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:44,704 "Do you know fucking Picasso?" 1050 01:11:44,804 --> 01:11:45,740 Yes. 1051 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,175 "Do you like Picasso?" 1052 01:11:47,275 --> 01:11:48,177 Yes. 1053 01:11:48,277 --> 01:11:51,013 Do you know what fucking Picasso looks like? 1054 01:11:51,114 --> 01:11:52,215 Yes. 1055 01:11:52,315 --> 01:11:54,385 What fucking difference does it make? 1056 01:11:54,485 --> 01:11:57,122 I think the fact that people are upset about it, 1057 01:11:57,222 --> 01:11:59,425 is because there's a strong political message. 1058 01:11:59,525 --> 01:12:01,795 They don't want to see a face that tells them that. 1059 01:12:01,895 --> 01:12:06,369 They want just be told by someone they don't know. 1060 01:12:10,007 --> 01:12:13,679 Everybody wins with him not being known. 1061 01:12:14,713 --> 01:12:17,685 Would Banksy have the same impact if we knew his name? 1062 01:12:17,785 --> 01:12:20,122 Well, probably not. 1063 01:12:20,222 --> 01:12:21,490 It's just like Jack the Ripper. 1064 01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:24,127 Jack the Ripper is one of the most infamous serial killers 1065 01:12:24,227 --> 01:12:25,362 in history. 1066 01:12:25,462 --> 01:12:28,200 Maybe people call him the first serial killer, 1067 01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:30,002 but that's not true, not by a long shot. 1068 01:12:30,103 --> 01:12:33,240 But he is perhaps the most famous and one of the reasons 1069 01:12:33,340 --> 01:12:35,910 he's the most famous is: he was never caught. 1070 01:12:36,010 --> 01:12:42,119 [♪♪♪] 1071 01:12:42,219 --> 01:12:44,188 JAMES: I suppose that those kind of low times people reach 1072 01:12:44,288 --> 01:12:47,459 for the fictional world and the fantasy. 1073 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,798 And they like to feel that there's some kind of rescue 1074 01:12:51,898 --> 01:12:54,369 just around the corner, there's hope somehow. 1075 01:12:55,638 --> 01:12:59,409 Even now that he has a huge possibility of generating money, 1076 01:12:59,509 --> 01:13:03,849 he's stayed very true to the roots that he would have grown 1077 01:13:03,949 --> 01:13:06,153 up around in Bristol. 1078 01:13:06,253 --> 01:13:09,357 Which is a large community of people who are 1079 01:13:09,457 --> 01:13:13,096 helping each other in a social and cultural way. 1080 01:13:13,196 --> 01:13:17,033 And the fact that he is now finding ways to benefit 1081 01:13:17,134 --> 01:13:19,471 hundreds of people from this incredible achievement 1082 01:13:19,571 --> 01:13:20,239 that he's made, 1083 01:13:20,339 --> 01:13:22,275 I think, is just a fantastic story. 1084 01:13:22,375 --> 01:13:26,080 The renowned and elusive artist Banksy is weighing in 1085 01:13:26,181 --> 01:13:29,017 to help a cash drop boys club in Bristol. 1086 01:13:29,118 --> 01:13:31,721 This youth club was another way where he said: 1087 01:13:31,821 --> 01:13:33,491 Right, I'm gonna help them. 1088 01:13:38,298 --> 01:13:40,434 It was Sunday, April 13th. 1089 01:13:40,534 --> 01:13:43,004 it was around 1 o'clock in the afternoon. 1090 01:13:43,105 --> 01:13:45,908 And I parked just outside the boys club gates, 1091 01:13:46,008 --> 01:13:48,278 and I noticed immediately in the doorway 1092 01:13:48,378 --> 01:13:50,581 this rather amazing stencil. 1093 01:14:00,329 --> 01:14:01,463 As I was sitting and waiting, 1094 01:14:01,563 --> 01:14:03,299 I couldn't really take my eyes off it, 1095 01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,569 and I said to my wife, I'm like: 1096 01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:07,304 "That looks like a Banksy." 1097 01:14:07,404 --> 01:14:16,351 [♪♪♪] 1098 01:14:18,053 --> 01:14:21,158 My son came past, he rang me he said: 1099 01:14:21,258 --> 01:14:22,225 "Dad you're not gonna believe this, 1100 01:14:22,325 --> 01:14:24,562 I think we've got a Banksy outside the club". 1101 01:14:24,662 --> 01:14:27,098 I said: "Oh don't be so stupid, don't be so foolish." 1102 01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,768 I wasn't 100% sure. 1103 01:14:28,868 --> 01:14:31,472 I said "if it is what I think it is, 1104 01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:33,908 then you need to get that protected." 1105 01:14:34,008 --> 01:14:36,845 And when I came in, got there I thought: 1106 01:14:36,945 --> 01:14:39,383 "It looks good, it might be a Banksy." 1107 01:14:39,483 --> 01:14:41,286 But I mean, I don't know much about Banksys. 1108 01:14:41,386 --> 01:14:43,389 All I could see, this young couple, 1109 01:14:43,489 --> 01:14:45,292 they both had their mobile phones and they were both, 1110 01:14:45,392 --> 01:14:48,061 in effect, suppose to be looking in each other's loving eyes, 1111 01:14:48,162 --> 01:14:49,230 and in fact they weren't, 1112 01:14:49,330 --> 01:14:50,565 they were looking at each other's phones. 1113 01:14:56,707 --> 01:14:59,611 It really was quite a poignant statement 1114 01:14:59,711 --> 01:15:01,046 about young people today 1115 01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:03,883 that the mobile phone can be a little more important 1116 01:15:03,983 --> 01:15:05,686 than the human being. 1117 01:15:08,157 --> 01:15:09,158 Somebody have had to done it, 1118 01:15:09,258 --> 01:15:11,661 so, I thought I'd go and check my CCTV. 1119 01:15:17,970 --> 01:15:22,409 A white van pull up, and park just by what would be the place 1120 01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:24,312 where the "Mobile Lovers" was put. 1121 01:15:28,252 --> 01:15:29,219 Two men got out of the van. 1122 01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:30,321 I couldn't see their faces, 1123 01:15:30,421 --> 01:15:31,722 they have hives jackets on 1124 01:15:31,822 --> 01:15:32,691 and they have helmets on. 1125 01:15:32,791 --> 01:15:34,793 They're just looked just like any work team. 1126 01:15:36,629 --> 01:15:40,302 A gentleman took a picture, drove off and then at 12 o'clock 1127 01:15:40,402 --> 01:15:43,506 on the 15th is when it became known to the public, 1128 01:15:43,606 --> 01:15:45,842 and the world basically, that there was a new Banksy 1129 01:15:45,942 --> 01:15:46,877 for people to see. 1130 01:15:46,977 --> 01:15:48,980 And that's where my story began. 1131 01:15:49,914 --> 01:15:52,852 "In april a picture appeared here overnight created by the 1132 01:15:52,952 --> 01:15:55,890 secretive street artist Banksy. 1133 01:15:56,424 --> 01:15:57,959 For the study streams of visitors coming to see the 1134 01:15:58,059 --> 01:15:59,695 latest Banksy creation. 1135 01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:05,904 ROB: There has been a period of time where no new Banksy artworks 1136 01:16:06,004 --> 01:16:08,708 had appeared in Bristol for a while, 1137 01:16:08,808 --> 01:16:11,812 so I was very keen to see the new artwork. 1138 01:16:11,912 --> 01:16:13,815 I actually thought a murder being committed outside, 1139 01:16:13,915 --> 01:16:16,919 because I had never seen so many people with cameras, 1140 01:16:17,019 --> 01:16:19,956 taking pictures of "Mobile Lovers". 1141 01:16:20,057 --> 01:16:21,259 And I'm looking at and I'm thinking: 1142 01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,396 "You know, this really is a Banksy. 1143 01:16:24,496 --> 01:16:25,765 And we left it there for about two or three days. 1144 01:16:25,865 --> 01:16:27,868 Are we mad?" 1145 01:16:30,539 --> 01:16:32,675 Change, back the other way. 1146 01:16:32,775 --> 01:16:34,644 Don't forget your arms, keep on moving. 1147 01:16:34,744 --> 01:16:36,280 Come on, you can. 1148 01:16:36,380 --> 01:16:38,283 Well done, keep going. 1149 01:16:38,383 --> 01:16:41,119 As soon as he realised it was a Banksy, 1150 01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:42,822 he knew that he was sat on something 1151 01:16:42,922 --> 01:16:44,391 that could save the club. 1152 01:16:44,491 --> 01:16:46,561 So, you gonna take out nice and slowly. 1153 01:16:46,661 --> 01:16:49,898 The problem with the clubs was that the government at the time, 1154 01:16:49,998 --> 01:16:54,405 and local Council, were cutting funding to youth projects. 1155 01:16:54,505 --> 01:16:58,444 Boxing really is a fantastic sport. 1156 01:16:58,544 --> 01:17:03,351 It's something that is always done in a boxing club, ok. 1157 01:17:03,451 --> 01:17:06,555 We use sport as a platform to engage young people. 1158 01:17:06,655 --> 01:17:08,992 To give them something to hang their coat on. 1159 01:17:09,092 --> 01:17:11,862 This is their place to grow, nurture 1160 01:17:11,962 --> 01:17:13,665 and develop at their pace, 1161 01:17:13,765 --> 01:17:15,235 doing what they would like to do, 1162 01:17:15,335 --> 01:17:17,571 where they'll be looked after. 1163 01:17:22,978 --> 01:17:24,179 So I thought: "You know what? 1164 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:25,916 I need to take Mobile Lovers out off the wall, 1165 01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:28,019 and we gonna sell it so that we can save the club! 1166 01:17:32,225 --> 01:17:33,527 [sirens wailing] 1167 01:17:33,627 --> 01:17:36,264 And then we had all of the negative press and people 1168 01:17:36,364 --> 01:17:38,334 writing on the facebook page: 1169 01:17:38,434 --> 01:17:41,003 "What kind of example are you setting for others? 1170 01:17:41,103 --> 01:17:43,241 You should be ashamed". 1171 01:17:44,107 --> 01:17:46,177 People have taken to twitter as soon as they heard this news 1172 01:17:46,278 --> 01:17:49,415 today, some people are calling Dennis Stinchcombe a vulture." 1173 01:17:49,515 --> 01:17:51,385 "I guess that street art they do in the streets 1174 01:17:51,485 --> 01:17:53,455 so people have more access to it, 1175 01:17:53,555 --> 01:17:55,558 so it is a bit of a shame. 1176 01:17:55,658 --> 01:17:57,326 It is gone already before anyone had a chance 1177 01:17:57,426 --> 01:17:59,696 to look at it, so it's wrong. 1178 01:18:07,073 --> 01:18:10,044 I started getting death threats: "What gave you that right?" 1179 01:18:10,144 --> 01:18:11,680 that went on and on. 1180 01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:14,384 And this is against a man that all he's ever done in 30 years 1181 01:18:14,484 --> 01:18:16,487 is give to the people of Bristol, 1182 01:18:16,587 --> 01:18:18,690 and you have got people saying: "You should be killed." 1183 01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:22,328 And that was the hard thing for me. 1184 01:18:23,797 --> 01:18:26,567 And finally, the most important thing that happened, 1185 01:18:26,667 --> 01:18:29,538 among the months of arguments and discussions, and dialogues, 1186 01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:32,174 and everything else, was the day that this letter 1187 01:18:32,275 --> 01:18:33,944 came through the door. 1188 01:18:34,044 --> 01:18:36,047 I got a phone call from Dad, and he's like: 1189 01:18:36,147 --> 01:18:37,382 "Sean, you're not gonna believe it, 1190 01:18:37,482 --> 01:18:39,319 I've only got a letter from Banksy. 1191 01:18:39,419 --> 01:18:40,821 It was like: "Wow." 1192 01:18:40,921 --> 01:18:43,425 this it, or it's not it, it could be ours, it might not". 1193 01:18:43,525 --> 01:18:44,992 And it's almost like I wanted to read it, 1194 01:18:45,093 --> 01:18:47,396 but I didn't want to read it, but there is now in front of me, 1195 01:18:47,496 --> 01:18:50,000 and it's like: "oh my god! 1196 01:18:50,601 --> 01:18:52,470 "Private and Confidential. 1197 01:18:52,571 --> 01:18:55,942 Dear Dennis, I hope this finds you well. 1198 01:18:56,042 --> 01:18:59,813 As you know, I recently painted on a doorway near the club. 1199 01:18:59,913 --> 01:19:02,852 This was meant to be a small visual gift for the area. 1200 01:19:02,952 --> 01:19:05,389 But apparently, a financial one 1201 01:19:05,489 --> 01:19:08,059 would have been much more useful. 1202 01:19:08,793 --> 01:19:10,763 I don't normally admit to committing criminal damage, 1203 01:19:10,863 --> 01:19:15,470 but seen as it look like charges won't be brought anytime soon, 1204 01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:17,739 you have my blessing to do what you feel is right 1205 01:19:17,839 --> 01:19:19,408 with this piece. 1206 01:19:20,477 --> 01:19:22,613 I'm a great admirer of the work done at the club 1207 01:19:22,713 --> 01:19:25,650 and would be chuffed if this can help in some way. 1208 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:28,153 Your tenacity in the past few weeks has made for an 1209 01:19:28,254 --> 01:19:30,056 entertaining spectator sport. 1210 01:19:30,156 --> 01:19:32,960 I assume you're familiar with the quote attributed 1211 01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:36,064 to Abraham Lincoln: "Things may come to those who wait, 1212 01:19:36,164 --> 01:19:40,137 but only things left behind by those who hustle." 1213 01:19:40,237 --> 01:19:41,806 Best wishes, Banksy. 1214 01:19:41,906 --> 01:19:44,743 " And of course, he signed it at the bottom. 1215 01:19:45,378 --> 01:19:48,048 This letter was incredibly important, and on that day, 1216 01:19:48,148 --> 01:19:49,350 I read it. 1217 01:19:49,450 --> 01:19:52,254 Wow. It was like. 1218 01:19:52,354 --> 01:20:00,833 [♪♪♪] 1219 01:20:07,342 --> 01:20:08,977 I was so happy for him, 1220 01:20:09,077 --> 01:20:11,714 because no one deserves to be ridiculed on social media, 1221 01:20:11,814 --> 01:20:13,050 because of a picture. 1222 01:20:13,150 --> 01:20:18,591 Because he's seen an opportunity to save a club that he loves 1223 01:20:18,691 --> 01:20:21,262 with every part of his body. 1224 01:20:21,362 --> 01:20:23,265 He will never be away from that place. 1225 01:20:23,365 --> 01:20:24,799 That's where his soul's gonna be, 1226 01:20:24,899 --> 01:20:26,502 that's where his heart is now, that's where his heart 1227 01:20:26,602 --> 01:20:28,605 and soul's gonna die. 1228 01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:37,551 This piece of graffiti sprayed on a boarded up doorway 1229 01:20:37,651 --> 01:20:42,357 is now officially worth 403,000 pounds. 1230 01:20:43,258 --> 01:20:45,095 The money itself won't just benefit one club here 1231 01:20:45,195 --> 01:20:46,129 in Bristol. 1232 01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:48,032 It will benefit up to 6 or even 8 of them. 1233 01:20:48,132 --> 01:20:50,235 It will go far and wide and it will touch 1234 01:20:50,336 --> 01:20:51,370 an awful lot of people. 1235 01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:55,543 It is a very good new story in the city. 1236 01:20:58,547 --> 01:21:01,451 This was the most direct way that he has used 1237 01:21:01,551 --> 01:21:05,189 the value of his art for a social purpose. 1238 01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:09,995 I think we will lose some of the magic if somebody reveals 1239 01:21:10,096 --> 01:21:11,231 who he is. 1240 01:21:11,332 --> 01:21:19,909 [♪♪♪] 1241 01:21:31,693 --> 01:21:38,370 [♪♪♪] 1242 01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:40,205 I know exactly who he is cause he was a member of my club 1243 01:21:40,306 --> 01:21:42,742 when he was a lad and I'm not telling you that. 1244 01:21:42,842 --> 01:21:43,977 INTERVIEWER: Why? 1245 01:21:44,077 --> 01:21:45,313 I can't! 1246 01:21:51,821 --> 01:21:54,124 Everybody I meet goes: I know somebody who knows Banksy. 1247 01:21:54,224 --> 01:21:56,395 Then, there is a few people go: I know Banksy. 1248 01:21:56,495 --> 01:21:59,732 But they can't tell you, really, I mean you know so. 1249 01:21:59,832 --> 01:22:08,945 [♪♪♪] 1250 01:22:21,129 --> 01:22:22,331 I mean Donald Trump would love it. 1251 01:22:22,431 --> 01:22:23,399 Right. 1252 01:22:23,499 --> 01:22:23,833 He's always talking about leakers. 1253 01:22:23,933 --> 01:22:24,834 "Banksy has no leakers. 1254 01:22:24,934 --> 01:22:25,969 How does he do that? 1255 01:22:26,069 --> 01:22:27,839 The withehouse is loaded with leakers! 1256 01:22:27,939 --> 01:22:30,676 Banksy, no leakers! 1257 01:22:38,253 --> 01:22:41,758 Even if he wanted to come out and become Banksy. 1258 01:22:41,858 --> 01:22:43,260 No one's gonna believe it.92831

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