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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by
night, all day.

We can talk as long as you want.

No, it's up to you. It's up to you.

I'll talk to you forever. I have so many
questions. I'm very excited to meet

you. I've seen you in documentaries for
decades.

So many documentaries. I've watched so
many things about Egypt. I'm completely

fascinated by it. You know, I will tell
you something.

Do you know this guy used to do a radio
show late evening?

Art Bell?

The best.

He was the best. I need to say this on
air. I need to say this story on air.

Okay. Now, are we on air now? Yeah,
we're on air.

Art Bell used every evening to attack
me.

He attacked you? Yes.

Oh. How the Egyptian can move stones.

Oh. That's not true.

The Egyptians cannot do that. Ba -ba -ba
-ba -ba.

Then I was teaching at UCLA, and he
called me for an interview.

I said, no, I'm not going to give you an
interview until you come to visit me in

Egypt.

And he said, okay. He came with his
wife.

I took him to a quarry that we are
cutting stones to construct the thing.

Then I brought a stone, eight tons
weight, and I brought a

man on the age of 70.

And I told this man, cut this stone.

The old man stood above the stone. You
know, stone has weak parts like us.

With a pencil, he draw a line from the
beginning to

the end.

In the middle, he put a piece of iron,
pump, pump, he cut it for twice.

Acid art, the Egyptian, doesn't use
muscles.

They use their brain because the pyramid
was the national project of the whole

nation. If you go today, if I take you
today, Wisby, and, you know, I always

tell people this. I give lectures maybe
three, four times a week for American

groups, and I tell them the following.

If you stood in front of the Great
Pyramid and you look at it, you will

believe that this pyramid built by human
beings.

Why? Because you don't know.

And number two, if you try to do it
today, you'll never be able to do it.

you going to hire today 10 ,000 workmen
to work for 28 years for

nothing? That was the national project
of the whole nation.

I think Art Bell's real...

concern was how would someone possibly
move those stones 4 ,500 years ago?

A lot of questions, right? Yes. But can
I answer you now? Yes, please.

Listen. Two examples I will tell you.

The first example happened a few years
ago.

I discovered a tomb in a site called Abu
Sir.

In the top of the tomb, there was

A huge granite sarcophagus.

20 tons weight.

Okay? Okay.

If you come to Egypt.

Have you been to Egypt? No, I haven't.

You have to. If you talk about Egypt. I
know I have to. You have to come. I

know. But you have to tell me before you
come. I will tell you. Now. I promise.

I brought only 10 people.

Because I called the minister of
culture.

And I told him.

We found an intact two.

And the minister said, wait, I will
bring the reporter the press and we'll

live. I said, okay. But I hate to do
anything live.

Then I came to the site. I brought my
workmen.

Ten workmen only moved the 20 tons only
by

wooden sledges. We found underneath
another sarcophagus.

10 tons weight of granite. We took the
third one and we found underneath

another, a third one, five tons weight.
We took the five tons out and we found

underneath a coffin with the mummy.

And I told the workman, put everything
back.

And I called the minister. I said, you
can bring the press. We'll open it live.

I never told him that I cheated him. But
only in a site that I'm excavating

right now.

We do discover 60 feet under the ground,
we discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid

is about 10 tons weight.

To workman only, open the lid for me.

We have a machine called the devil.

I don't know why they called it the
devil.

Devil? Devil.

Why? I don't know. I asked them. They
said our grandfathers called it like

This is an ancient machine?

It is an ancient machine.

Jamie could probably pull it up. It's
probably online. Then they put this

machine under the lid, and they come
doing like this, and they raise

the lid a little bit.

So when the lid is raised, they put a
piece of wood, another piece of wood,

until there is a half a feet that they
can put my face inside

with a flashlight to see what's inside
the coffin.

That's what we, because the people today
are the descendants of the ancient

Egyptian.

There is a village located north of
Luxor.

And this village, all the people work in
antiquities.

And they know, if you look at their
faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian

people. And all the people working with
me. I'm excreting right now.

In Giza, we're going to tell you good
news inside the great pyramid that we

found.

And also in Saqqara and Luxor.

And that's why in my lecture tour now,
I'm making major important announcement

that we'll talk about it with you today.

Okay. What did you find?

Now, you know, can I call you Joe?

Please do. And you call me Zahi. Okay.
Now, you know, I do receive fan emails.

You receive emails?

Fan. Fan emails. About 50 a week.

Some of them bad ones.

Some people think that I discovered
evidence to prove

that pyramids built by aliens or lost
civilization and I hide them.

I never answer this question.

But to you, I tell you, how do I, how
can I hide anything?

I'm not working alone.

I'm working with people. You cannot hide
anything because people will see you.

And I will tell you a joke.

It happened, but it's a joke.

A reporter came to see me from
California to my office, and my office

located next to the Great Pyramid of
Kufu.

And he said to me, people say at 12
noon, you leave your office and you go

the bathroom and you open a tunnel from
your bathroom.

That's what he said.

And you go from the tunnel to the Great
Pyramid, and you hide things, and you

come back. I said, okay, what do you
need from me now?

He said, I want to see your bathroom.

This really happened.

He went to my bathroom.

Did he check all the panels? And he came
back. Have you seen any tunnels in my

bathroom? He said, no.

I said, what are you going to do now?

He said, I will publish your bathroom in
the Internet.

And therefore, if you want to see my
bathroom, write W.

www .havasbathroom .com Is that much of
an issue? That people really believe it?

That you had to make a website for it?
They do. They do believe in this. And

some of them attack me badly.

Well, that's part of the problem, right?
The Egyptian pyramids and just Egypt in

general is so spectacular.

The accomplishments of the ancient
Egyptians were so monumental and so

anything that anybody had ever achieved.

And since, you know, what they've done,

thousands and thousands of years ago
still to this day puzzles people when

try to figure out how it was built.

I will tell you. You will tell me how it
was built? Of course. Okay.

How do you know?

How do you know?

How do you know? I found all the
evidence of building the pyramid. We

a book, 1 ,000 pages.

This book is the Bible of the pyramids
of Giza Plateau. Okay. Tell me how they

did it.

Now.

What we found out, the major problem
that people think

about pyramids, because most of the
information that's written on pyramids

wrong. Most of it? Most of it. In
archaeology books? In archaeology books.

Really? Except me and Mark Lehner. You
guys are the only ones that have it

right? Because I have been working in
Gaza for the last 50, 70 years of my

I excavated every bit of sand.

Okay. What do the archaeologists have
wrong in these archaeologist books?

For example, number one, they say that
the workmen who built the pyramids

only four months a year.

When the flood covered the whole
country, the king hired the workmen to

this pyramid. This is wrong. And I will
tell you what's correct.

Number two, that the stones used in
building the Great Pyramid, came from

And Torah is 25 miles to the east from
Giza.

And number three, that Kufu ruled for 23
years.

And number four, that the stones of the
Great Pyramid are 2 ,300 ,000 blocks.

How many blocks are there?

Now, let us talk about number one, the
workmen. The workmen. I found the tombs

of the pyramid builders.

Only one mile.

South of the things.

A major important discovery that can
tell everyone, number one, that

pyramids built by Egyptians because of
the names that we found inside the

cemetery. And they were not slaves.

Is that your phone? I have to.

Yeah, kill that thing.

Kill it. You're right.

I always, because I do lots of
interviews, I always close it. Oh, I get

Accept it today.

No worries.

Nobody knows how to shut these things
off anymore.

Then now, this discovery. Okay, so
explain. So you found the pyramids,

me, you found the workers' pyramids
graves a mile away. Away, one mile south

the pyramids. And by their names?

Then I found name of the workmen. I
found the lower symmetry.

The lower symmetry were for the burial
of the workmen who moved the stones.

And the upper cemetery was for the
technicians.

Right. And how do you know this? I will
tell you. Okay.

Now, the tombs down there are very
primitive tombs built from mud brick.

It's nothing.

Underneath is a skeleton.

And if the skeleton is for a man, he's
holding a beer jar.

He wants to drink beer in the afterlife.

If the skeleton is for a woman, she has
a perfume vessel.

She wants to have perfume in the
afterlife.

Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21
titles in hieroglyphic.

For example, the overseer, in
hieroglyphic, of the side of the

Oh, it says that, the overseer of the
side of the pyramid? Yes, emiragismir,

hieroglyphic. The overseer of the west
side of the pyramid.

Draftsman, craftsman.

The one who stand in front of the
harbour.

All these titles had to do with building
the pyramid.

Inside the tombs, we found the tools
that the Egyptians used to cut the

What tools?

Do you write an affluent tools?

Because in the old kingdom, there was no
iron.

Are these photos of these tools
available online? Can we look at them?

Yeah, I can send it to you. Are they
online? No, in my book.

Giza and the pyramids. I don't know if
it's online. I'm sure it's online. Jamie

will find it. So these tools were flint
and durite. What is durite? Durite.

D -I -O -R -I -T -E.

Durite is more sharp stone than iron.

And it came from a quarry south of
Aswan.

So you feel like they used this very
hard stone to cut into the ground. And I

will come back.

to this cutting the stones. But let me
continue about the workmen.

To the east of the tombs, we found an
area for sorting salted fish.

We found an area for the bakery, making
bread.

We found the workmen barracks for the
workmen who want the stones to live.

We found a whole city for the
technicians, for the artisans.

And we discovered thousands of animal
bones.

Because people always say, that the
workmen who built the pyramid, they ate

garlic and bread and drink beer.

And I thought if they do that, they will
die.

But now we discovered that they
slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats

every day.

And this can feed 10 ,000 workmen a day.
Then we believe now, and I published,

that the workmen who built the pyramids
were 10 ,000 workmen.

And they worked every day, and they took
one day off every ten days.

Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was
a national project.

The three millions who lived in Egypt
had to build the pyramid for the king to

be a god.

And therefore, the households in the
south and the north of Egypt

in building the pyramid by sending
workforce and food to help the king.

Now we come to the second point, the
stones.

We discovered.

That all the stones of the three
pyramids at Giza, the stones came from

in the site itself.

Even the king's chamber?

No, except the granite in the king's
chamber.

And where did that come from? From
Aswan. And that's 500 miles away, right?

by the flood.

The flood. And those were 50 to 80 tons?

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't? Yes.

If I was working there, it wouldn't
matter.

No, because I shot you. I shot you. Not
50 tons.

It's 20 tons.

Now, what we found out, first, how the
Egyptians built the pyramid.

They make on the ground a square base.

Okay? Okay.

And after that, they cut in the solid
rock in the four sides.

You know, I'm going to tell you one
thing.

Okay. If you tell me, that pyramids
built by giants.

Okay?

I would say, okay.

Come to the excavation.

All the skeletons that you discover are
five to six feet high.

Nothing about giants. Who's saying they
were built by giants?

Some people say that. Oh, okay.

The second. I've heard aliens.

Okay, the second, aliens.

If aliens built the pyramids, do they
leave any? Do they shit sometimes?

Aren't they going to shit?

Maybe aliens don't shit.

If they don't shit, are they going to
leave something on the ground?

On the contrary, I give you the
evidence, every evidence that I will

today of actual workers and what's
happening. Now, we come about building

pyramid.

All the stones I told you came from
Ginza Plateau. We found out what

first. They cut in the third rock.

Okay. And they made the base.

Of the pyramid to be 28 feet on the
solid rock.

No stones.

Do you get this? Yes. We have in Egypt
120 pyramids.

We don't have only Kofu pyramid that
everyone is talking about.

You have 120 pyramids. This is one of
them. Right. But the reason.

That this pyramid is so accurate and
strong because Giza Plateau is the only

site in Egypt of the pyramids.

It's a part of the Mokattam formation.

It has three levels.

Level one and two are variable stones.

But level three is the top quality of
the stones.

Then the Egyptians used this stone to
build the pyramid.

Then after they make the base of the
pyramid to be 20 feet each of stone, we

found out 1 ,000 feet.

Away, we found out the quarry location.

So they only had to bring the stones 1
,000 feet?

Only.

Only the stones.

The stones?

That came from outside are the casing
stones. And I will talk about this

That came from Torah. And the granite
came from Aswan. And the casing stones

were the outside smooth surface.

Exactly. It came from Torah. Okay. Then
now, when we discovered the quarry

location, and the base of the pyramid,
we thought how they established the

ramp.

You know the ramp? Right. To move. To
move the stones.

Right. We found out if the Egyptian will
make the ramp from the quarry to the

base, it will never happen.

Because when you raise the base, you
need to extend the ramp.

We found out, listen to this carefully,
that the only way to have a permanent

ramp is to come to the south.

West corner of the main pyramid.

They built the ramp like this.

Okay.

And I excavated. And these are photos in
my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

I excavated from here to here.

When the Egyptians construct a ramp,
when they finish building the pyramid,

demolish the ramp.

They cannot demolish all of it. They
have to leave something in the ground.

Okay. Do you get this? Yes. I excavated
from here to here.

I found in situ remains of the ramp.

Are there photos of this?

Of course. In my book. Okay. Let's find
the photos of the equipment first.

Can't find anything?

It's in my book. What did you find?

Nothing.

Nothing? How is that not online?

That doesn't even make any sense.

It's in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

Maybe look up from his book.

These are the tombs of the pyramid
builders.

Right there. The excavation.

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And this is all what I discovered. This
is my discovery of everything.

Every piece of sand here tells us about
the builder of the pyramid. But let me

continue this.

I will come to you.

Now, let us, if you go to my book, you
will find out that I found here that you

write and the Flint tools.

Listen. Now, I will come.

The stones for building the pyramid came
from the plateau.

The casing came from Torah.

Now we come to how many years Kufr
ruled.

Joe, there is one big discovery happened
a few years ago.

Are these the tools?

No, no. This is tools for artists.

The tools in our book, which is big, do
you write tools?

And big flint tools, big ones.

Why is this not online?

We'll never put it online. It's in my
book.

Right, but I mean, wouldn't that be
everywhere?

I mean, that's such a huge
archaeological discovery.

It's not.

It's because it's everywhere.

It's not only in the World Command only.

It's in every site.

You have these tools in many sites.

Right, but why aren't these tools
online? That's all I'm asking.

Ask the people online, but they are
in...

remains in my book. Are they in a museum
somewhere?

There is some in the Cairo Museum, yes.
So there should be a photograph of them

in the museum.

Okay.

What would Jamie look for?

But I don't know. I'm just like asking
him. Now I want to come to... What

would have them? Cairo Museum.

Cairo Museum would have those tools?

Yes. Okay.

Now, a few years ago, a major discovery
happened for the first

time.

It is...

The first time that we have written
evidence about building the pyramid of

When did this happen?

Three years ago. Really? It's called the
Wadi al -Jarf papyri.

Oh.

Do you want to know what's in this
papyri? I do. This papyri was found in

in a port that belongs to Kufu.

And inside this port, there were caves.

And inside the caves... found remains of
both and this big papyri.

It's large, huge.

That's it, exactly.

Okay? And what does this say?

Now... First of all, how old is that?

4 ,600 years ago. Isn't that amazing?

And listen.

So papyrus was made with animal skin,
correct?

No, papyrus was made of papyrus, from
the papyri. Right. The papyri is just

leaves.

Okay. Now, but listen to the papyri. It
is a diary of an overseer of the

workmen. His name is Merer. M -E -R -E
-R.

Okay?

Merer is saying,

I am Sahaj in hieroglyphic, means
inspector.

Under me working 40 workmen.

I was hired by Kufu to work in his
pyramid.

This is in hieroglyphic.

And he said, my immediate boss, his name
is Didi.

Like P. Didi? Didi, yes.

Now.

20 years ago, in my excavation, west of
the Great Pyramid

of Kofu, I discovered 20 tombs. Are
these the tombs?

No, no.

No, these are not the tombs. No, no. The
tombs are really sharp type of big

tombs. We found some of them.

What is that Jamie's looking at? What
are these?

This could be the tombs in the left is
like them.

In the left here.

Those tools?

No, no, no, no. More.

No doubt. No.

Where?

You know here there is two.

There is more. To the left. To the left.
To the left.

To the left. No.

Again. What?

These two tools.

You mean up?

Down. What are you talking?

The second one.

After this one. That's it. Up.

That's it.

And this one.

Oh, those.

Those. Yeah.

But don't those look exactly like the
other photograph we just had? Those up

there. That looks like the heads of
these things. But this one's small.

I'm talking about big ones. These are
tools for making statues and things like

that, but not cutting the stone. Oh, I
see. So these are the same kind of

though, with the same kind of materials.
But let me talk about the papyri.

Because this many people doesn't know
about this.

Then Miller said, my boss's name is
Didi.

20 years ago, I excavated west of the
Great Pyramid of Kufu. I found 20 tombs,

beautiful ones.

I published all of them, except one
small tomb I said is not important.

Three years ago, I found this is the
tomb of Didi, the person that he was the

boss of Miller.

And I published this tomb.

You can find this tomb online now. It's
called Didis Tomb by Zahi Hawass, west

of the Great Pyramid of Kufu.

Now, listen, Joe.

What Miller said, I took my workmen.
This is in hieroglyphic. We went

to Torah to cut the white, fine
limestone.

This sentence means that the pyramid was
finished.

And Miller went.

to bring the stones for the casing.

And he said, I'm not alone.

There is many other gangs are cutting
the stones.

And Torah is in north and south.

And he said, I divided my gangs to three
gangs.

One gang to cut the stones.

And one gang is smoothing the stones.
And smoothing the stones with the right

tools to face the stone.

for the casing.

And after that, he said, and the third
group moving the stones in wooden

sledges. This is all in the papyri. In
the papyri, to a cargo boat.

What happened in the Old Kingdom? We
have evidence that the River Nile,

the Egyptians cut to the west of this
River Nile another Nile

to be near the pyramid.

From this Nile, they cut a canal.

At the end of the canal, there is a
harbor in front of every pyramid.

I discovered in my excavation, in front
of Kufu Pyramid, there is a village

called Nazlit Samman. In this village,
the people were building houses.

Underneath the houses, we found basalt.

I stopped the construction of the
houses, and I excavated the whole area.

found this is the harbor of Kufu, and I
published this in an article.

And I excavated in front of the Sphinx
temple, and I found the harbor of

and it's published.

Now, the reason for the canal and the
harbor, to bring non -local stones,

granite from Aswan.

alabaster from Middle Egypt, durite from

Nubia, basalt from Fayyum,

white limestone from Tora.

The Egyptians had everything.

So they essentially cut a second canal.
They cut a canal just so they could move

the stones to where they wanted them.

And they discovered all of this.

And this was published.

If you're right there, how was it? And
so this was all the casing stones.

Exactly. Right. Is it possible that the
casing stones were put on later?

No, after you finish building the
pyramid.

Right. There is two important things
when they finish building the pyramid.

I discovered in a site called Abu Sir. I
discovered two things.

One thing, where can man drag a
capstone?

Above the capstone is a hieroglyphic
word called Jam.

So where is this?

What is this? This is in hieroglyphs?
Yes. Dragging the capstone? Yes. Can we

see this?

Find out. I don't know if it's internet
or not. What would Jamie look for?

Look for Zahi Hawass discovery in Abu
Seir.

How much do you think was lost during
the burning of the Library of

A lot, of course. Everything, right?
Everything. And this is why what I'm

telling you, based, I have been
excavating in Giza, Joe, for the last...

years. I know every piece of sand in the
site. And I want to tell you one thing

also. I am the only Egyptologist who has
an open mind.

Really?

You're the only one?

Yes. I always look at what the public
say. And I will tell you about this

I will tell you what I found in the
pyramid.

But let me finish.

This story, and after that I will come
back to tell you how I look at what

people say and I try to investigate
this.

Now, murder set.

I put the stones on a cargo boat. Okay.

And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau.

The workmen took the stones up to the
pyramid.

We slept overnight in Giza.

I got up early in the morning with my
workman, wanted to Torah. He made many

times talking about that.

Then he said, I wanted to Sinai to bring
cover.

And Turk was.

But he said in Sinai, our big boss, his
name is Ankaf.

We know from text that the architect who
designed the Great Pyramid, who was

Kufu's cousin, his name was Hem Eono.

Then actually, it seems now that Yunus
died and Ankaf completed the Great

Pyramid and built the second pyramid of
his son, Kefren.

Then he said, I'm working in year 27 of
Kufu's reign.

He mentioned that Kufu was alive in year
27.

How long do you think he reigned for? 28
years. I published an article. I

published an article about... You can
find this article.

Why was the age 23 years, why was that
attributed to them?

Now, this is a good question.

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Egyptologist has a problem when they
count the name of the king.

Because when the Egyptian counted the
cattle, they counted the reign of the

king. Sometimes they count the cattle
every year.

Sometimes they counted the cattle every
two years.

Then we make mistakes.

But now we have year 27 of Kufa's reign.

And we have on the second boat bed that
the Japanese are restoring now, we know

when the king died, his son buried him.

Then Kufa's son.

His name is Jerry Frey, who did not
respect his father. And I will tell you

He buried his father in year 28.

Then we know now for sure that Kufu
ruled for 28 years.

Now, Miller said something that made me
very happy.

Because 25 years ago, I wrote an
article.

to say that Memphis was not the capital
of Egypt.

I said that the king ruled Egypt from
the pyramid.

If the pyramid is in Abrawas, the king
ruled Egypt from Abrawas.

If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abusir,
Saqqara.

Then Merer said something many people do
not believe me when I wrote this

article.

But Merer said,

Khufu lived in his palace at Giza.

If he lived in a palace at Giza, means
with the royal family, the public, and

the government.

And he said that the area that Khufu
lived in it, in the pyramid called Ankh

Khufu, in hieroglyphic, means Khufu
lives.

This is the name of the city that Khufu
lived in it.

And Miller said, we came to Giza in an
area.

in a hieroglyphic called Rache.

And Rache means literally mouth of the
lake.

This could be the entrance of Giza
plateau.

But what's really strange, he said, it
took me almost one day for me

and my workmen to up to come to the
pyramid. Why?

Because Giza entrance was busy.

Every stone coming in has to be counted.

Every workman has to sign the first
letter of his name.

And this is why if you go today to the
port of New York, it will take you five

hours to enter because it's busy.

And this is what happened at Giza
Plateau.

This papyri, in my opinion, is really
one of the most important discoveries

tells us for the first time about
building the pyramid.

And now we come to the reign of Khufu,
28 years, and now the stones of the

Pyramid.

I looked everywhere to find out how they
counted

the stones. Okay.

That people said it's 2 ,300 ,000
blocks.

Right. I found no evidence.

It's only when the Arabs came. You know,
all the theories that the New Age

people say now, it came from the Arabs.

When the Arabs came and they entered the
pyramid, they did all this nonsense

stories about the pyramids.

Then I never found any place to tell me
how they cut the stones.

But now we have evidence that the base
of the pyramid is 20 feet high

of solid rock, no stones.

In 2010, I brought a team, scientists.

From every field. And we recounted the
stones based on the new evidence, and we

found out that the stones of the pyramid
are only no more than one million.

And the average height of the limestone
is half a ton to two and a half tons.

So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet
high, carved into solid stone.

Yes. And then the other rocks were
placed on top of it.

No, I want to come to when you told me
about this cobblestone because we did

complete the cobblestone. Right, but
let's start off with this, though. The

is 20 feet high, and then the estimation
was 2 ,300 ,000, but you think

it's far less than that. Because of the
new discovery that we found that the

base is made of the solid rock.

So before they thought the base was
individual stones.

Yes. Okay. So now that you know the base
is solid rock, that removes 1 ,300 ,000

stones that were necessary.

Yes. Got it. So they carved this base
knowing they were going to put a pyramid

on top of it.

And what about the subterranean
chambers?

Every king in Egypt is buried underneath
the pyramid.

Every king except Kufu and his father
Senefro.

The only two kings that are not buried
underneath is Kufu and his father.

If you look at the one chamber
underneath, it was cut and built.

If you go down, it's left unfinished.

Left unfinished in what way?

It was planned to cut it, but they did
not complete it. You can see when you go

down that the burial chamber is not
finished.

Why? Why?

Because I found out in our research.

Every king is Horus on earth.

When the king die, he become the sun
god.

Okay? Okay.

Kufu, in year five, he said, I am the
sun god.

And he abandoned the construction of the
first burial chamber, and

he built his chamber within the pyramid,
because he's the god.

And that's the queen's chamber, correct?

No. The first one. I'm going to come to
this chamber later. Okay.

And the second evidence that he called
his pyramid Akhet Khufu,

means the horizon of Khufu. And the only
one in the horizon is the sun god.

And the third evidence is something that
only occurred

at Giza.

The things.

and its temple.

I found that the thing represents
Kephren, the son of Kufu, giving

with his two paws to his father, the sun
god, Kufu, who rises and sits

in this temple, the first sun temple.

And this is why Kufu's pyramid is unique
among the 120 pyramids. And I

will tell you what I discovered inside
the pyramid now. Okay.

Now, before I tell you about what I

discovered, I have to complete the scene
that I told you, that I found workmen

dragging a capstone.

You remember? You asked me that. We
stopped on that.

Above the capstone, there is a
hieroglyphic word called Ja 'im.

And Ja 'im means white and yellow gold.

A second scene I found.

Ladies dancing.

And they called them the khiner.

And the khiner are the dance troupe of
the king. My interpretation of these two

things. When the pyramid was finished,
the king asked the workmen to put the

cobblestone in the top of the pyramid.

When they put the cobblestone in the top
of the pyramid, caged with gold,

the whole country danced.

and sing because the king became a god.

That's what I call the national project
of the whole nation. The three millions

who lived in Egypt in the time of the
whole kingdom, all of them participated

building the pyramid to make the king as
a god.

This is your theory.

Not a theory. No? It's fact.

It is a fact. The pyramid.

It was the national project.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean, it's
your theory that the capstone was put

on and everything. It's not a theory.
It's based on evidence.

I found the scenes.

The papyri.

No, the papyri is something else.

What are the scenes? It's blocks.

Blocks? Limestone blocks.

One scene, working and dragging a
capstone with the word chime.

Is this written in limestone blocks? Is
this what you're saying? No, it shows

the working and dragging a stone.

Shows it where?

In the stone that I discovered.

So it's carved into the stone. Exactly.
And the word Ja 'im in hieroglyphic

above that. Where is that at?

It's in Abusir. I found it. But are
there photographs online? Yes, in my

I don't go online.

Why do I have to go online?

I go to my book. No, I understand. But
for everybody else that doesn't have

immediate access to your book. Did you
find them online?

It's called the Abusir blocks.

Abu Sir, A, B as in boy. How do you
think they got the stones from the

chamber 500 miles away and put them 120
feet up in the ceiling?

I told you, if you come today and see
how the workmen move 20 tons of granite,

you'll understand.

Workers today?

Yes, today like yesterday.

The same workman.

Okay. Right.

But we're dealing with a different time,
correct? If they're doing it today,

they have access to modern machinery,
right? No.

They don't? No. It's everything based on
the idea of the national project.

They want to make this for the king. I
understand the national project. But

I don't understand is the physics
involved in moving 80 -ton blocks 500

through the mountains. If you don't
believe.

on this it's not that i don't believe i
just want to know inside this hold on

inside hold on okay it's not that i
don't believe i want you to explain to

how you think they did it i explained to
you from 500 miles away 50 to 80 tons

blocks this comes through the nile You
can bring all the stones.

Right. But the quarries are in the
mountains, right? No, the quarries, the

granite quarries in Aswan, and we have
cutting of the obelisks and cutting of

the stones and cutting of everything in
the site. And they brought – when the

flood comes in July, they bring boats
through the flood. They bring all the

stones to give the plateau. So they plan
things for the floods, and then they

would figure out some sort of a raft
system to get them on and then move them

that way.

Now, if –

We now do not believe that this cannot
be moved by human beings.

Okay?

But on the other side, what I can tell
you, inside above these blocks, written

the names of the gangs who built the
pyramid above the King's Chamber.

One of the names, Friends of Khufu. I
did a 3D few months ago.

And we recorded in the five chambers
that had these huge blocks.

We found two more names of the gangs.

One name called Those Who Are Connected
With The Goodest Widget.

And written year 13 of Kofu's reign on
the third chamber.

I took Mr.

Beast with me two months ago. I took him
and I showed him how these blocks, they

were written.

By the workmen before they moved these
stones.

And in the fourth room, we have the good
God.

Another name was year 13 of Kofu's
reign.

This is when they moved the stones. So I
understand what you're saying. So

you're saying that they took these
stones.

They waited for the flood season. They
got these stones on raft. They moved

down the river. They got them to the
site. How did they get them 120 feet in

air?

You know.

Again, this is the most important thing.
This is a national project. Oh, I

understand. It was very valuable to
them. I just wondered what technology

used. No technology.

Well, technology is tools. Technology is
levers.

Whatever they had at the time was their
current technology.

The huge wooden stitches.

Huge wooden sledges. This is the only
way that today we move huge stones.

This is how my workmen moved 20 tons
sarcophagus in a tomb.

How far did they move it?

They moved it just a few feet away.

But we have scenes of how workmen move
60

tons statue, how they move with
religion.

Right. And they draw it. Yeah, I've seen
those scenes. Yeah. Then we have all

this type of scene that the Egyptians
show that.

Again, this is the national project.

Do you think they wet the ground?

Do you think that they did something
like that to make the ground more slick

they can pull it? Yes.

And then are they using sleds?

Sledges.

Wooden sledges.

And then they just slowly but surely
pulled it into position.

We have this in the tombs, the wooden
sledges. Yeah.

But let me take you now to what I began
to reveal, the secret

of Kufu pyramid.

Okay.

As I told you again, I always listen to
what people say, and I try to prove them

if they are right or not.

I was interested.

in the Great Pyramids most of my life
because I was the inspector of the

pyramid, director.

I spent most of my life there.

Then I closed this pyramid for a year to
stop humidity.

To stop humidity?

Because every person... All the
breathing?

Exactly. Inside the pyramid gives about
20 grams of water.

And this water becomes salt.

Then mechanically, I removed the salt.

They had to clean the walls. Exactly.

And after that, I thought, how can I
make a ventilation system of the

pyramid? In the king chamber and the
queen chamber, you have this

tunnel, 20 by 20 centimeters

only. Small tunnel. Right.

Then I thought I should clean this
tunnel.

Then I can make a ventilation system.

I had no idea of what I'm going to find
out.

What did you find out?

That I hired a German robot.

And we took the German robot to the king
chamber.

We are sitting in the king chamber with
the TV screen. And the robot entered in

the shaft.

We found out that the interior of the
pyramid.

The stones were interplagued.

And this is why when the Arabs came to
Egypt and they hid man first time and

time first pyramid.

Then we found out that this shaft went
outside.

Then we put a fan here and the fan suck
the air and push it in the tunnel

and we made a ventilation system in the
pyramid.

So then, The discovery of these stones,
what was unusual about the way they were

placed? You said they interlocked?

Interblocked. Interblocked? Yes. What do
you mean by that?

Oh, like fingers.

Okay. So there's like different levels
and they all slid in together?

How they put the stones with each other.
Okay.

But now the most important, that I took
the robot to the second chamber. Now we

know.

that the tunnel in the first chamber are
open outside.

Open outside.

But I teach why we have these tunnels in
the second chamber.

They call it wrong in the queen chamber.

Right. Then we took the robot to the
northern tunnel of the queen chamber.

After 60 feet, the robot stopped because
the tunnel was bending

to the left and the German robot could
not bend.

Then we took the robot to the south
tunnel.

The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in
front of a door which took

cover handles.

That was the first discovery.

Now, I began to think, how can I find
out

what's behind this door?

In 2002, I was chosen.

by the National Geographic as Explorer
in Residence.

There were nine explorers.

With us was Bill Billard, who found
Titanic.

Each explorer had a dream. I told them,
I need you to design a robot for me. I

want to find out what's behind this
door.

And they did make a robot, and they
called it Pyramid Rover.

We took the pyramid rover and the robot
went in the south tunnel and the robot

had a drilling on his hand.

The robot opened one hole, one
centimeter and one millimeter,

and sent an optic camera through this
hole.

We found after 21 centimeters of this
door, a second one.

And the second one, It has an eggy shape
like that, as if it's hiding

something. Then after that, we went to
the northern tunnel that was bending.

We found out it's bending north and
south for 24 feet.

And the reason for the bending was to
avoid the Grand Gallery.

At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front
of a third door.

which took cover handles in the same
distance of this one.

And these doors are very small, right?
Very small, 20 by 20 centimeters.

Okay. Now, I spent most of my life from

2002 until 2024,

last year.

I found a team from England.

And we worked it last year for three
seasons.

Number one, I found out above

the King's Chamber, a big void.

I'm sorry, above the Grand Gallery.

This void, the size of two trucks.

Now, the second void.

Behind the northern tunnel, another
small void.

Inside this void, we can see
hieroglyphic inscriptions.

Really? So those are the only
hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid,

can show you the footage.

Do you have the footage here?

If you can come to my lecture in
Houston. What about right here, right

I can send it to you.

Where do you have it?

Do you have it on you? In my computer.

Where's your computer?

In Las Vegas.

Oh, well, fuck.

But I can send it to you. Yeah, but I
want to show it on the show.

Show it in the show. I can send it to
you tomorrow.

Okay. You can send it tomorrow?

Yes. Okay. We'll splice it in, folks.

Then tomorrow I will send it to you.
Please do.

Okay. I'll give you my email.

I'll give you Jamie's email. Yeah. Give
me... But you should come and... Can you

come and introduce me here in Houston?

Excuse me?

Can I introduce you in Houston? No, I
cannot.

Why? Because I'm very busy. Okay.

Fine. If I had known in advance, I could
have. Oh, fine. Yeah. Fine. Fine.

Unfortunately,

I don't have any free time, Zahi.

Zahi. Zahi.

Zahi. Not Zawi.

Zahi. Then now.

Mr. Hawass. Then now, what we are going
to do.

So this is the only pyramid. Can I ask
you, though? This hieroglyphics inside

this chamber that you've discovered,
these are the only hieroglyphics in the

Great Pyramid. Is that correct? No,
there is in the five chambers. I told

Oh, in the other chambers. I told you in
the five chambers. Now we have five

names of the Genghis who built the
pyramids.

These are all recent discoveries?

Yes. Within how long? How recent? This
void as

last year, 2024.

The hieroglyphic discovery or three
months ago.

So all this is very – isn't that
fascinating that you've been studying

pyramids for so long and you're still
finding things? But listen to me what

going to do. What are you going to do?
There is a friend of mine.

His name is Leslie Greif.

Leslie is from Hollywood.

He did with me many live TV shows and he
did with me Chasing Mummies.

And Leslie now is working to find a
network.

To come, we need to do this program
live.

Okay. I want to show the whole world
what I discovered inside the pyramid,

we're not hiding anything.

I want to show them the hieroglyphic.
Why do you always feel like you're in

battle with people? Because they attack
me. Okay, I understand.

I'm not in a battle with people. They
are in a battle with me. I understand

that. I understand that. But I'm giving
you an opportunity to just lay things

out. You don't have to argue with people
that aren't here.

I'm not arguing. Fuck those people. I'm
not arguing.

I'm just telling the people. I'm just
fascinated by the discovery itself.

So what does it look like, the
hieroglyphs? I know you can read

right? Is that science?

You can read that stuff. Yes, but the
signs are not clear.

It's not clear?

No. We need to do more investigation in
September.

Is it a difficulty in seeing inside
there? You know, because when the

write inside,

The five chambers, for example, they
don't write hieroglyphic. They write a

cursive hieroglyphic.

It's called the hieratic.

And this hieratic, Joe, it's very
difficult to read from outside.

What does that look like? It's a cursive
of the hieroglyphic. Let me see what

that looks like, Jamie.

That's fascinating.

No, this is hieroglyphic. This is
hieroglyphic. That's hieratic. We need

about hieratic. On the right -hand side,
it says hieratic. Exactly. Look at the

one on the right. This is hieratic.

Okay. Then it's very difficult. God,
it's so beautiful.

Yeah. What a beautiful language.

Like the way it's written, it looks like
art.

Then, Joe, what we're going to do before
the end of this year, we are going to

show what's inside this void's life.

Can you pick that up, Jamie?

These symbols that look like – make that
larger, please. These symbols to the

far left that were right below Jamie's
cursor.

Right there. Like what are those
supposed to be? They are signs.

But what does it mean?

Look. It looks like a device or
something.

The one down means fish for a
determinant of a scribe. What is the one

cursive?

It's for a scribe. A scribe. Yeah. What
does it mean?

Scribe. It means a scribe. Okay.

I understand.

So and then the other one on the
hieratic, that's the cursive version.

No, I don't.

I'm not that expert in hieratic. Okay.
Because hieratic is very cursive. I

understand, but I think this is showing
that, right? I know. But we, if you look

at the signs in the five chambers that I
will send it to you tomorrow, it's very

difficult to read. But you can see they
are hieratic, cursive signs.

Got it. But the most important that we
are going to show this life.

Oh, wow. Okay. So people don't even know
and you're going to show all this stuff

live. We will do it live.

But the other thing, we have another
team called Scan Pyramids Team.

They are scientists from Japan, France,
and Egypt.

I am the scientific director who really,
if they discover something, they come

to me.

I have to discuss it with them.

And they found, you know, The pyramid.

Yeah. You have the entrance that the
people use now is the entrance that the

Arabs opened. That's in the north face,
correct? Exactly.

Above that is the main chamber.

Okay.

The team are using a very sophisticated
technique like

ultrasound, infrared.

With this technique, you do not need any
more to drill.

You can really see what's behind the
door.

And this is really what I'm using right
now. Then they came to me and they said,

behind the main entrance of the pyramid,
there is a corridor.

And they showed to me this corridor
clear in the five

techniques that they're using.

But they told me, why I have to see it?
Let's go up there.

We went up there.

And they sent an optic camera through
the

stones. And they found, I could look at
the corridor, 30 feet

long, 8 feet wide, topped with chevron
shape. I think you

can see that in the Internet, the
corridor behind the main entrance of the

pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the
Internet, I'm sure.

This void above the Grand Gallery?

The size of two trucks.

What do you think that is? I have no
idea.

I'm just telling you what I found.

This was the Great Pyramid. I did more
work on the Third Pyramid with the same

techniques and the Second Pyramid. This
is the void. Can you see it? Wow, that's

incredible.

And I think, and bring the other big
void above the Grand Gallery. I think

you'll see it also.

So find the void above the Grand
Gallery, Jamie.

So it's two trucks.

The size of two trucks. The size of two
semi -trucks.

And do you have any idea like what the
inside – I will tell you about my

Please do.

I think it's here.

So that's the void. Yeah.

Now – And it's that shape. It's in that
direction. So it's at a slope.

It's above the Grand Gallery.

That's it. That's it. Yeah. The scanned
pyramid project.

Now, I tell you my theory. Please do.

We have a story written in hieroglyphic,
but not at the time of Khufu. It's

after Khufu.

The story, it's written in a papyri.

It's called Khufu and the Magician.

It says that Khufu was staying in his
palace, and he was very upset.

He was not happy.

And his son came to him. Your Majesty,
why are you unhappy?

He said, I'm searching for the secret of
the God of wisdom.

Then I can design my burial chamber in
the pyramid.

Then his son told him, I know a
magician.

His name is Gedi.

He knows how to cut the head of a man
off and put it back.

And he knows the secret of the Gattuf,
the girl with them.

He knows how to cut the head of a man
off and put it back, but is the guy

alive? Is that what he's saying?

No, this is what the son is telling his
father. I understand that. That Gedi can

do that. A lot of people can cut a guy's
head off and put it back. But listen to

the story.

This is the story. Okay.

When the king told his son, bring this
to me.

Okay.

They described him as 100 years old and
he drank 1 ,000 beer.

Ziddi came in front of the king.

And Kufu told him, I heard that you can
cut the head of a man off.

He said, yes, your majesty.

He said, do it.

He said, Ziddi said, I cannot do it to
the human being.

He said, okay, I will bring you a
prisoner.

Ziddi said, a prisoner is a human being.

Then he told, he brought him a goose.

He took the head of the goose up in
front of everyone.

And the head came back and the goose was
running in front of everyone.

That's written in the story.

Do you believe that?

I come back to what's believed that now.

Okay.

And the king told him, I want to know
the secret of the Gad Toth to design my

burial chamber.

He told him that.

This secret will not be in your hand.

It will be in the hand of another people
who rule Egypt.

Kufu was very upset.

So he wouldn't give him the secret
because the secret won't just be in your

hands. It'll get into other people's
hands. Then the king was unhappy. He

them, don't worry, your majesty, because
you will rule and your sons and your

grandson.

Now. About magic.

Yeah. Do you believe in religion or not?

Yeah. Okay.

Do you know about Judaism?

Sure, a little. When God told Moses,
when Moses met God and God told him to

to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh. Right. And
God told him, remember, the Pharaohs

are highly in magic.

Right. They will beat you.

Then God taught Moses how to be more in
magic than the Pharaoh.

And you remember when he had the stick
and the stick became a snake, I think.

And Moses brought more snakes to swollen
what the Pharaoh did.

Then we know from books, from Judaism,
from the beginning that the ancient

Egyptians were really highly in magic.
Then we can believe.

Do you think that that magic might have
had something to do with how they

constructed the pyramids?

No? No.

You don't – but if you believe that they
had enough magic to take a goose's head

and put it back on, it's still alive.

That's magic.

Yeah. Wouldn't they use that magic for
other things?

But we have – But if you believe in
magic.

I do. Of course. You do. You do believe
in magic. Yeah. So you believe that

someone could take someone's head off,
put it back on. It's hidden.

Okay. Then it must be true. Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

What is this? Someone's going to kill a
dove?

It's a magic trick. It can decapitate
birds and stuff. Oh.

Okay. I was just reading it.

Apparently in the trick that he did it,
he put the head on the other side of the

room and made him come back together. He
did it to a calf and a different animal

also. Now, what really I want to tell
you now. Well, that person's magic too.

Now, what I want to show you that I'm
not a person.

What do you think magic is?

Magic is magic.

What do you mean? What do you think
magic is? Well, how does it work?

I have no idea.

What do you mean by how it works?

Well, I mean, how does someone do
something like that? I have no idea. We

to go back. Physically and biologically
impossible.

We have to go back a year to 4 ,600
years ago. And do you think a lot of

information is what was lost in the
burning of the Library of Alexandria?

Of course.

Unbelievably detailed records, right?
Also, you know, because I will tell you

why we do not have any evidence about
Khufu.

and things like that. Because what
happened?

The ancient Egyptians believed that a
pharaoh should be a male.

A pharaoh cannot be a female.

Anyone who changed the religious belief,
they hit him.

Hatshepsut, when she became a pharaoh,
they hated her and they destroyed her

monuments.

Kufu, when he changed his cult to be a
sun god,

In the first intermediate period, they
destroyed his monuments, the temples,

statues. The only statue of that king
was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza.

Even in the temple of his sons, there
were 23 statues.

They smashed the statues.

Smashing was a sign of revenge.

Now, do you have any question about
this? Kofu Pyramid before I switch to

the Sphinx?

Well, I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects
of Kofu's Pyramid. Well, one of the big

ones that's come up very recently that
I'm sure you're aware of is these

satellite radar.

Was it called tomographic?

What is it called? Tomographic?

Where they think that there's these
pillars underneath the structure.

Okay. I investigated this.

First of all, these two scholars from
Italy, they have never been in

Egypt. They have never worked in the
pyramids before.

Right. They're using satellite
information. Number two, they published

article in a journal.

This journal did not send their article
to the freeze.

You pay a fee to publish the article.

In your responsibility.

Okay. Number three, I am not a
scientist.

I took these techniques that they used
and I gave it to expertise.

And they said these techniques cannot
show underneath

a solid rock of almost 600 feet down. No
way.

Why can't they?

They said this cannot show that. But
these scientists are saying they can. Do

you know about the Osiris shaft, how
they've got a scan?

I just covered it. You did, right? Yes.
But do you know that they use this

tomographic radar? No. No, I am the one
who found it. No, I understand you found

it. But they also discovered it. They
showed that it exists using the same

technique. No.

No. This is wrong.

This is not true at all.

I can tell you how I found that. I'll
tell you. How can I find that? I'm not

saying that you didn't find it. It's
under the paper Signature Aperture Radar

Doppler Tomography.

by Filippo Bondi, and if you scroll
down, Jamie, you'll see an image, and

image is of the Osiris shaft, which
shows that they got an accurate

of that from space.

That's not true.

It's not true. So what are you saying,
that they're lying? They're lying.

They're completely lying. But if they're
showing, using these techniques, things

that we know that you discovered that
absolutely exist. Now, this technique,

I told you, Scientists said that this
technique cannot show

600 feet under the pyramid.

The Osiris shaft that they found was
only 50 feet under the ground. Right,

it's showing at least for 50 feet that
this is accurate. What makes you believe

those scientists rather than these guys
from Italy?

Because the scientists are scientists.

Well, these are scientists as well. They
are not showing their techniques

carefully. They have not. What do you
mean they're not showing their

carefully? Take the techniques that they
said and show it to any scientist.

No one, no one can tell you this is
accurate.

I ask every person who knows about
radar, ultrasound,

all the people who work with me, the
scan pyramid project, they say this is

bullshit. It cannot happen.

At all.

Now, tell me. So you're telling me that
these scientists that are proclaiming

the capabilities of these satellite
tomography devices that are saying that

can.

kilometers into the ground with this
stuff. That's not true. Are you sure? Do

you understand the technology?

No, not me. So you're just listening to
other people. Scientists who are in this

field. Have you talked to these
scientists that are saying that they

discoveries? I made a press release.

But did you talk to them? I did not. Why
not? Because they did not talk to me.

How can I find them?

Would you be willing to talk to them? Of
course I am. If I can connect you to

them? Yes, do. Okay, I'll connect you to
them.

I'm just interested if new technology
becomes available and they figure out a

way to look into the ground and you
discover things, especially if they

the Osiris shaft and it turns out to
actually be accurate. They did not

the Osiris shaft again. Okay, you
discovered it, but they used their

to show an accurate depiction of the
interior of the Osiris shaft. So the

shaft is true?

No. It's not. The images that we showed.

The Osiris shaft is known to everyone.

Right. It can be seen by anyone. But
when they turned their equipment on the

Osiris shaft, it shows the actual
interior.

Maybe. I don't know. But this is 50
feet. Let's look at it again. But that

about 600 feet. I understand. But if it
can go 50 feet, why can't it go 600

feet? Now, again, I'm not a scientist.
Right. So why are you dismissing it,

though? I gave.

what they published to our scientists,
and they said this is not true.

Okay, but scientists are wrong all the
time, particularly ones that are biased,

correct? Then what I did, I made a brief
release explaining my point.

Yes. And I said, my work of the second
pyramid, that the base of the pyramid

is 28 feet of solid rock. Right. And
there is no way.

that anything can be happened in the
solid rock.

And I explained... I think what they're
saying is it's underneath the solid

rock, correct? Let me finish.

And I said, your technique that you
published in this magazine is not

refried by scientists.

You just published it.

And number three, the team that's
working in Giza with all these new

techniques, they said, this is wrong.

And they know. The team that's working
in Giza with all these techniques, what

do you mean?

We have the scan pyramid team. Right.
They're working. But you understand this

is different technology. I understand,
but they know about this technology.

But have they used this technology? They
said this technology cannot work,

cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid
at all.

This is what they said.

And this is why if the Italians.

were confident they could contact me.

I'm the pyramid expert.

That anyone should... Well, we'll make
sure that happens.

But listen, if the stone is 20 feet
thick, the solid stone at the base,

correct, right?

And you said Osiris shaft is 50 feet.
That means it can see past 20 feet.

Right? So I could see through the stone
and see what they're showing repeated

over and over again.

The Uzairi shaft is open. Right. It's
not covered to see. I understand. You

go and you see the Uzairi shaft down.
Right. Everyone can see it. But the

interior is not open.

And the interior is visible. But you can
see the interior.

But you can't see it to the exact
dimensions the way these tomographic

showed, right?

If they're using this technology to go
50 feet underground to get an accurate

depiction of the Osiris shell. I am not
a scientist.

I understand, but this is my question.
Why would you dismiss it if you haven't

looked under there?

Because I told you, it is not me who can
dismiss this. What does it say, Jimmy?

This is the link to the original
article, I believe. There's their names.

very first sentence says that.

Due to the poor penetrating action of
electromagnetic waves inside solid

the capability to observe these
distributed targets is precluded.

And then they had to come up with an
experimental – since experimental

are estimated by processing the SAR
images into something else.

So I think that's the disconnect I'm
hearing. Yeah, I don't understand the

technology, but my question is – We know
how spectacular the pyramids are. We

know how spectacular just the base of
it, the fact that it's carved into solid

rock. Why would you not think that maybe
other spectacular things exist even

below it? I told you I am not this type
knows about

the science. I consulted the team, the
top in the world from Japan.

France and Egypt. Who are these people?

They are the Scam Pyramid team. Okay.

The Scam Pyramid. Yeah. The ones that
found the chamber above. And they are

working with me. And we found many other
things in the second pyramid and the

third pyramid.

And we published this. We just published
an article last week. Then what I am

saying, if this technique, that these
two Italians are correct,

the only people who really can tell you,
It's correct or not are the

scan pyramid people, not me. But the
scan pyramid people, aren't they using

different technology? But they know
about technology.

They are the top scientists in the
world.

I have to believe them, not the two
Italians.

And if the Italians are really correct,
they could come to talk to us.

Not me. Well – To talk to me and others.
I will definitely try to connect you

with those people because I know that
Graham Hancock and Brian Marorescu have

been in contact with those people.

And they're open -minded about it.

They don't know what's going on down
there. But these images are repeated

and over and over again. Fine.

But they – It's fascinating either way.

OK.

The whole – one of the fascinating
things about –

Egypt to me is the fact that it's not
just so much more advanced

in terms of construction than anywhere
else in the world, but that it's still

this day – like nothing even close has
ever been even attempted to this day.

What do you think – was going on back
then as far as their capabilities and

their understanding that led them to do
something so spectacular that other

people 4 ,500 years ago. Again, the
belief of the afterlife built Egypt.

Right. But they also had to have the
understanding of engineering and

construction and design. To do this
belief of the afterlife, to build a

as I told you.

This was a national project. No, I
understand the national project, but

have to acknowledge. You can talk about
this pyramid if it exists alone.

When you come to Egypt and you go
through time, you will see that

gradually.

There is no gap that you can.

What do you mean by that? There is no
gap for anyone to think something

different. than the belief of the
Egyptians.

Well, I don't think anybody's saying
that.

Oh. Well, maybe some people are. Maybe
some people do. But, I mean, it's all

Egyptians, obviously. It was in Egypt.

I mean, it's the Egyptians that made it.

Yes. It's pretty obvious.

Okay. That just seems obvious.

Then if you believe in that, I'm happy.
I'm happy to hear this from you. Well, I

just think whenever people say it's
aliens, they're like, where's the proof

that? Exactly. Also, they built a lot of
spectacular things. Like, no ifs, ands,

or buts. Just...

Just the statues, just the faces of the
pharaohs with incredible symmetry. This

is why I want to really, I want, since
you are interested in Egypt, we would

like to invite you to come to Egypt. I
want to come.

For me, it's just I'm very busy. We are
willing to invite you.

I'm willing to go. Okay, tell me when.
Okay. And I will arrange everything for

you. Okay, we'll hook it up. But now, I
want to come to the Sphinx also.

Okay. Can we talk about the Sphinx? Yes,
please. Now, you know, when I was

young,

I was met by the Edgar Cayce son.

The psychic guy. Julian Cayce. Yeah. And
Julian Cayce was the son of Edgar

Cayce. I was young. I really did not
know what this Cayce had.

When he came to Egypt and talked about
me, about his father, you know about

Edgar Cayce. Yeah. He had a vision that
there was a chamber underneath the

Sphinx's paw. Underneath the right paw
of the Sphinx, there is a chamber.

And he envisioned that, correct? Yes.
And this is why I'm going to Virginia

Beach to give a talk.

One of the cities in my tour now is
Virginia Beach.

Why? Because when people began to tell
me

there is something inside the Sphinx, I
really, as I told you, I have an open

mind. And I did search.

I found inside the thing four tunnels.

One behind the stela. They call it dream
stela between the two boards of the

things. And the second one behind the
head in the top.

There's actually a door in the top of
the head.

No, no, no. Just a tunnel.

A tunnel.

25 feet. Isn't it closed off, though?

No. Yeah, it's closed. Yeah.

There's like a door on the top of it,
right? It's not a door.

No. A lid?

It's just a tunnel going down. Okay.

But it's closed off.

You can't go up to the sink.

That's why we have to cover it because
it will take rubbish and garbage.

Well, that's the top. That's what I'm
talking about. Isn't that the top of it?

Is this a sink? Yes, that's it.

Okay. That's a lid, right?

Yeah. We covered it.

Okay.

Yeah. But we covered it. Got it. To
protect it from the fans. I understand.

it's not a door.

Okay. It's a lid. The third tunnel that
I found in the back.

Now, Edgar Cayce, he had this vision
that there was some hall of information.

I know. But I'm going to come to this
now. Yeah. But I'm talking to you about

the tunnel now.

And the third one is in the tail.

The fourth one was opened in 1927.

by a French named Monsieur Perez, and I
do have photos of workmen

inside the thing.

We found these four tunnels are
published.

An article, scientific article.

I found in situ, in all the four tunnels
of pottery,

in situ, to prove that these tunnels
were opened.

On Dynasty 25, 500 BC, as in the late
period, when the

Egyptians saw the things, they thought
there is something hidden underneath.

And they dug, and they found nothing.

Now, we come to the Edgar Cayce and what
people believe, because we had...

John Anthony West, and we had many New
Age people who believe there is

hidden underneath the things. And they
used to tell me, we need your

To what? To drill.

And how can I let someone who's not an
archaeologist, who's not a scientist,

to drill? No way.

But recently, I found out the rise of
the water table in front of the things.

And I was really afraid.

that the water could damage the Sphinx.
Then I brought a team

from Cairo University, and we did drill
30 to

35 feet underneath the Sphinx,
everywhere.

And I do have photos of everywhere under
the Sphinx. The Sphinx is a solid

rock or a living rock, and there is
nothing underneath.

So there's no tunnels.

No tunnels.

Exactly. Okay. I told you. What do you
think about Robert Shock and his theory

about the temple and the erosion outside
of the Sphinx, that it's water erosion?

When Shock said that, okay, we brought
through the

American Research Center a scientist
from Louisville University.

I don't remember his name now.

And we gave him what Robert Schock. You
know what Robert Schock said?

It's not his theory.

It's a theory of a New Age guy who
talked about this before. And John Anton

brought Schock.

I don't remember who.

Then we gave this guy from Louisville
University.

He was an Indian -American who really
studied. He came to the Sphinx and he

worked with us for a season.

And he came and we published many
articles that the erosion that you see

and inside the Sphinx is from wind and
not from water.

Now, what shock want to say that this is
dated back 15 ,000

years ago? I agree.

Okay. If I came here and I dug the
Sphinx, I will leave something.

Then what I did, we dug an area
northeast of the Sphinx.

I found living old kingdom, middle
kingdom,

new kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath.

Then this new age people say that the
head of the Sphinx is very small

to the body. Yes.

Why? Why? If you take all the casing
stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find

exactly here.

The Sphinx, and now this, and another
part like this. In between,

there is a hollow.

Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau
is divided to three

levels. Level one and two is very bad
stones. Can be seen to that chest of the

Sphinx. Level three, they carve with the
head from level three.

Then when the Egyptian carved with the
head, to represent the king Kephren with

the cobra, the royal head Remus, they
began to make a lion

body. Then what they did, they filled
this hollow between the

two sphinx pieces with stones.

And they covered the whole body of the
sphinx with stones.

And they did the modeling of the lion
body on the covering stones.

And this is why the head.

It's very small comparing to the body.
So you think the head was made first and

then the body was made later. Exactly.
If that's the case, why is the body so

much more eroded than the head? I told
you, the body, it is a part of the bad

soul. Bad stones.

The top one is the head.

Exactly. So there's a different density
to the stones. That's why the stone in

the sphinx's head is intact and the body
is a softer stone. It's level three.

So it's a different kind of stone.
Exactly. Of the body. Because there's

to it all and some of the layers are
more dense. The Egyptians wanted to make

lion body. They couldn't.

The only way is to cover the body of
stones and do the modeling of the lion

on the covering stones.

Can we take two minutes rest?

Yeah, sure. You want to take a break?
Yes, to go to the bathroom.

Okay, go to the bathroom. You know where
it is? Yes. Just go outside, take a

left. We're back.

The Sphinx.

Let's pick up where we left off.

So you were saying that these...

Other experts that looked at it didn't
agree that it was water erosion and said

that they think that it was wind.

So what John Anthony West and what
Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and

these different people are trying to
allude to is that perhaps there was even

older stuff that was in Egypt and that
the things that you're seeing that are

2500 BC, those are even more recent than
the older stuff.

Tell me about Zep Tepi.

What's Zep Tepi? What's this? You never
heard about... Have you heard about...

You know about the King's List, right?
The old King's List that goes back 30

,000 whatever years.

Who said that?

You never seen it? It's not in
hieroglyphs?

This is not true. It's not true? No.
This is speculation from people who

nothing about history.

There is nothing King List dated back 30
,000 years ago at all. So why do people

keep saying that? Because they don't
know.

It's speculation.

Give me one evidence of that. The only –
the first King List dated back to 1905

only. I was reading that people were
saying that it was myth.

That the kings list, even though there
is like some hieroglyphics of ancient

kings, that these are just mythical
tales. This is not true. There is no at

a name that you told me. I never heard
of this name.

I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt
for the last 57 years.

I never heard of this king list at all.

Never? Never. You never even heard of
it? Why I have to hear about it? Because

it's not true.

I don't want to waste my time in things
like this.

I am a person. Give me a fact.

So in ancient Egyptian, Zep Tepi refers
to the first time or the first occasion.

Who said this? This is an AI.

It refers to a mythical golden age of
Egypt where gods lived on earth and

civilization was in its infancy. This
period is often associated with the

beginning of creation and the
establishment of societal structures.

You've never heard of that before? No,
and this is not true.

What do you mean it's not true? I'm
getting this off of... It never happened

all. Okay, I'm not saying it happened.
I'm just saying this is something that's

referred to.

I never heard about it.

It is not true.

It does not exist at all. Even if it
doesn't exist, the myth of it exists.

Listen, Joel. Why do I have to go to a
myth of people creating stories?

If you go to Wikipedia. I don't care
about Wikipedia. I understand. I care

what I see in my eyes as an
archaeologist.

Or a philologist.

In all the myths, the world was said to
emerge from an infinite lifeless sea

when the sun rose for the first time in
a distant period known as Tepi, the

first occasion. Different myths
attributed to the creation of different

the set of eight primordial deities
called Ogdod, the contemplative deity

and the mysterious transcendent god
Amun.

while describing these different
cosmonogies completed or competed to

extent in other ways they were
complementary in different aspects of

understanding of creation.

It's the Egyptian creation myth. Fine.
You've never heard of that before? Never

heard of that. That seems strange that
you didn't hear about that before.

Listen, listen. I've heard of it before.
Fine, you can hear about it. But I

mean, I just found it online.

It's a new age theory.

It's new age? Yes.

Listen to me.

I know.

And any Egyptologist who study
Egyptology in the States here, you have

universities in UCLA and you have
Berkeley and you have John Hopkins and

have everything.

There is no, every Egyptologist here
study languages and archaeology. No

one can.

Answer what you are talking about.

This is hallucination.

I'm sorry. This is not true.

It's a speculation from people, but
never in Egypt. We know the prehistory

Egypt. We know the pre -dynastic of
Egypt.

We know the beginning of civilization.

We know every, there is no gap in
anything that can let some things like

And this is why I never heard of it, and
I don't want to hear about it.

You don't want to hear about it? No,
why?

Because there is no evidence.

I am a scientist.

I believe on what's written in front of
me, and I believe of a scene that I can

see. But I don't believe on theories
like this.

Tell me where is this found and where it
is, and who published it?

What is the scientist who published it?
What is the Egyptologist who talked

about it?

I'd like to know. That's why I'm asking
you.

I've never heard of it.

Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at
least heard of it and dismissed it

I think it's a part of the creation
myth. I know,

but it's not true. I received many
theories every day.

My mind, Joe, now really cannot stand
all these theories, all of it. It's too

much for me.

It's too much for me.

Got it.

See if you can find anything on that,
Jamie, where that myth came from.

Yeah? Is it a Bufal thing?

What I just found is that it came from
a... Who's Bufal?

Bufal is not a scientist.

No, I'm just... Yeah, I know. Those
people, I mean, when someone came to you

with a theory, you have to have a
subtlety background.

He has to write a scientific article. We
write all what we discover. We write

articles about them for people to read
and criticize and give us opinion.

But I can't go.

To theories like this. I understand.

That has no basis. What do you base the
dates on? Do you base it on carbon

isotopes? No, we don't. We base dating
on the evidence that we discover.

Right. But some of it is based on
carbon, right? No. I don't believe in

date 13 at all. You don't? No. Why not?
Carbon date 13 never given accurate

dating. And this is why I believe, you
know, when you discover something, if

discover a symmetry.

There is two types of dating.

One called absolute dating means that in
this cemetery, you have a

name of a king and a date. It means this
is absolute.

But if you discover another cemetery and
has no dates, then the best thing that

we do is to find the artifacts in this
cemetery and try to compare

it with other dated.

And you give a date for this. But you
don't believe in carbon testing? I don't

believe in carbon dot 14 at all. And
it's not working in Egypt until today.

I have been excavating. I'm excavating
also in the Valley of the Kings.

And I discovered major important things
that you can talk about. So if you're

going back 2 ,500 years.

But I used radar.

Radar? In all my excavations. What do
you mean? I never had a result by radar.

And carbon date 14, people use it when
there is no date.

Wait a minute. You use radar to date
things? How? No, I use radar to discover

things. Right. But what do you use to
date them?

Dating, as I told you, two methods of
dating.

Yeah. Most of the dating that for me now
in Luxor.

is based on evidence.

Like I discovered the Golden City.

It's a major, big, large cemetery, large
settlement, a city.

And you know, this city was chosen the
most important discovery in the world of

year 2021 because this is the first time
that we have a big, large city to tell

us about the people who made this
civilization.

So how do you know how old the city is?
Exactly. In the city, we discovered the

names everywhere of King Amenhotep III,
who was the father of Akhenaten.

Inside the city, we found many statutes
of his queen, Queen T.

We found inscriptions about dried meat
stored to celebrate

the third festival.

of Amenhotep III.

We found nine royal workshops in the
city. Then the city tells

us about the golden age of that king.

It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic
description, by many things.

But I'm curious as to why you're...

skeptical about carbon dating because I
think carbon dating is generally

accepted as being accurate within a
certain framework. But I never used it.

And many people, very rare, used it in
Egypt because in Egypt mainly we have

absolute chronology.

We have absolute dating based on
inscriptions.

Right, but I thought it was used in
Egypt like to measure wood that was in

mortar.

To date the Great Pyramid to 2500 B .C.?
No, that was an experiment

to date the pyramid. I think it was
about 2009.

And it's not working.

But I didn't see the result.

You haven't seen a result on carbon
testing of the mortar of the Great

No. But the mortar, you can't.

One thing.

The mortar between the stones.

Right. This mortar.

Like if you take a piece of stone from
the pyramid and you try to take Kerber

-14, this piece of stone could be
thousands of years in the quarry.

It cannot date the pyramid. How can you
date – Well, hold on. Hold on. You don't

date stone.

I'm saying if you date mortar.

Okay. How can you say accurately that
this mortar is dated to the same time

of building the pyramid? Well, you can
actually. The argument is that there is

probably repairs done, right?

Of the pyramid?

Yes. No, of the Great Pyramid. There is
no evidence of any restoration.

No, never.

Never any accurate evidence that the
pyramid was restored in

any period of the Egyptian history.
There is restoration that goes on even

though, on the Sphinx, correct?

I did make 10 years of restoration.

It's me who did the restoration of the
Sphinx for 10 years.

Why did you decide to do that? Because
the Sphinx, when I left,

I was studying in the States. I came to
take my doctorate from University of

Pennsylvania from 1980.

From 80 to 87, some architects and
archaeologists were really stupid.

They began to restore the Sphinx.

And they took all the casing stones of
the things out.

And they put modern stones and they used
cement.

You cannot use cement in the
restoration.

You can use cement in building a house.
Yeah, that's not even restoration.

That's a new creation. When I came, I
stopped this restoration.

Okay. And because this restoration…

damage completely the proportions of the
thing.

It brings you another thing.

Ugly. A few months later, there was a
stone that was restored in the

shoulder of the Sphinx. And it fell
down.

In February, it was raining.

And always people use the Sphinx for
politics.

The Sphinx? For politics? Yeah.

I tell you, it happened the first time
in the Pharaonic period.

You know, the area beside the Sphinx was
called the Valley of Gazelle.

And the princes of the new kingdom used
to come to hunt

wild animals in the valley and come to
watch the Sphinx.

And this story, as I'm telling you, is
written

In a granite stela, it's called the
dream stela, located now between the two

poles of the Sphinx.

In the stela, it says that Thutmose IV
was a prince, and he came to have a

nap beside the Sphinx.

And the Sphinx came to him in dream and
told him, my son, if you remove the sand

away, I will make you the king of Egypt.

Then he moved the sand, and he came to a
temple. He

found a door.

What year was this?

This is 3 ,000 years ago, exactly.

So the Sphinx was constructed long
before then. Before the Old Kingdom. And

it had been covered in sand.

Yes, completely.

This is why Herodotus, the father of
history, when he came to Egypt in the

middle of the 5th century B .C., he
never talked about the Sphinx.

Because it's completely under the sand.

Then when Thutmose IV came, he took the
sand away. And he found that the old

kingdom casing blocks are falling down.

He put them back.

And he went to the things, a temple
nearby. He took this granite stele at

the door and he wrote this story in it.

But we found there is something politics
in that story.

He killed his elder brother.

who was supposed to be the king of
Egypt.

And he wrote this story to tell the
Egyptian that the God, Hor

Im Akhet, Horus of the horizon, it chose
me to be the king of Egypt.

And they will forget the crime that he
did.

When that stone, it fell down in 1988, a
big fight happened

between the head of antiquities and the
minister of culture.

Ended.

By firing the head of Antiochus. It's
politics.

But I stayed 10 years.

When people ask me about the best thing
that I did in my life, I say two things.

Number one, that I restored the things.
I brought the proportions of the things

back. And I restored the oldest pyramid
in Egypt, the steep pyramid.

It was falling down.

In 14 years, I made major important
conservation and restoration.

And I tell people, why do I have to
fight all the time about the age of the

pyramid? We have to fight.

We have to cooperate, all of us, to
restore these monuments.

And the most important thing for me
always is conservation.

And I dedicate most of my life not only
to the excavation.

but to conservation.

What do you think the arguments are that
predate, that try to push the date back

of the construction of the pyramids?

I never heard of this.

You've never heard of this before? No,
it's only new. It's a theory from the

age. But I saw a debate with you. I saw
a debate with you and Graham Hancock and

there was another archaeologist.

But hold on, hold on. The other
archaeologist was saying, if you're

something happened 10 ,000 years ago,
where is the evidence of any

from 10 ,000 years ago? Exactly. But
then you found Gopekli Tepe.

So Gobekli Tepe was buried over 11 ,000
years ago. That's not true. I never

heard about this. What do you mean it's
not true?

It's not true what I'm telling you. What
is not true? It never happened. Gobekli

Tepe? We never discovered this at all.
Wait a minute.

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey, okay? Oh, in
Turkey. Yes.

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey and it's more
than 11 ,000 years old. Okay, fine,

fine. It's very complex, stone
structures.

Fine, fine.

But this was the evidence. Hold on. This
is the evidence in the argument. The

argument was there was no evidence of an
ancient civilization from 10 ,000 plus

years ago. This is before the discovery
of Gobekli Tepe.

Gobekli Tepe gets discovered known to be
more than 11 ,000 years ago.

That changes everything.

Yes, it does.

Hold on. Because now we know there was
an advanced civilization capable of

spectacular construction 11 ,000 plus
years ago. This is what this is.

Look at the archaeologists in Turkey or
in any civilization.

Okay. They never talk about old
civilization. That's not true.

Gobekli Tepe is universally accepted as
being more than 11 ,000 years old. I am

talking now about Egypt.

No, I understand. But the argument was
that there was never any ancient

civilization capable of spectacular
construction 10 ,000 years ago.

Now that they showed Gobekli Tepe is
more than 11 ,000 years old, they know

sure that's not true.

Okay. But now I'm talking about the
pyramids of Egypt.

I have the evidence, the written.

We found everything about that. We know
the dating.

And I give you hundreds of evidence.

That this pyramid built by Khufu. No,
I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not saying

it wasn't.

What I'm saying is. Any civilization
older than we know.

Older and still in the same spot. How
old does it go back? We have no

So how does ancient Egypt emerge?

Emerge? We have. How does it emerge and
go from zero to pyramids? Okay. We have.

Can you listen to me? Yeah.

We have prehistoric Egypt.

Right. And we have the Old Stone Age,
Middle Stone Age, Neolithic,

when the Egyptians began to know about
agriculture.

And they began to live together in
communities.

Then after that, we came to the pre
-dynastic, when a king called Narmer, in

dynasty zero, he began to make
unification of the Upper and Lower

until one king.

called Mina or Horaha, who united
completely.

And what year was this?

This is what was 3 ,000 B .C., 5 ,000
years ago.

In a place called Abiris, they built
huge mud brick tombs, huge,

from mud brick, no stones.

And these tombs are created in a site
called Abiris.

You know, what's really fascinating
about this is that 500 years, you think

about that, how different just modern
civilization was 500 years ago.

500 years ago, we had almost none of the
inventions we have today. We had no

internal combustion engine, no hardened
steel, none of the things that we have.

And now look what we have with
electronics. Now imagine what the

able to do in 500 years in a different
way, in construction with stone.

that their advancements weren't like our
advancements, but their advancements

were equally spectacular, just in a
different way.

Okay.

Now I come back to the mud brick
structure.

This is in Dynasty I and II.

In Dynasty III came a king called
Djoser.

He had a genius architect.

His name is Imhotep.

I am searching.

Did you hear about Imhotep before?

I'm searching for his tomb.

Only two weeks ago, before I came, I
made a major important discovery in

I found a tomb of a son of a king inside
incredible statues of Zotr

and his father and his queens and his
children.

Where is this tomb?

In the shadow of the steppe.

In the shadow of Zotr.

And this really made me, because I have
been searching for the tomb of Imhotep.

most of my life.

But the area that I found this tomb, it
was under houses.

Modern houses.

Oh, wow.

The workmen who work in the site, 100
years ago, they built houses in the

But they never excavated what's
underneath the houses.

Wow. So modern houses underneath the
tomb.

Six months ago, we gave houses to these
people in another area and we demolished

these houses.

And we found underneath major
discoveries.

This discovery will be in today's show
this week.

Now, I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb
is in this area.

Wow. What technology can you use to
discover these underground caverns and

chambers? All what I do is digging.

That's it? That's it.

What if these Italian guys are on to
something and you can find more stuff?

I want you to come to see what I do and
what I discover.

I want to.

I want to talk to the Italians too. And
what I discover, I can show it to you.

Please do.

Jamie, Zepp Teppi, did you find anything
about that?

About that?

Where are the origins of that?

Maybe a book from 1960.

And I couldn't figure out how he got
there. Probably a long sludge through

information to try to get to the root of
it.

But can we continue with how it happened
until you have the pyramids?

Sure. Then Imhotep came and he built the
same mastaba. Mastaba

in Arabic means a bench.

He built the construction in mud brick
of stone for the first time.

And he added more sections to the first
one.

And he put above that five bastabas.

It's called the step pyramid.

Yeah. So that's the first one. In the
pyramid text, they say that the step

pyramid is the stairs that the king is
buried underneath to go to heaven.

Oh. And this one was how many years
before the Great Pyramid? It's almost

700 years.

So, obviously, it's not nearly as
sophisticated as the Great Pyramid. So,

years, it just got way better. But
listen.

Now, on the rest of the tree, there is
another pyramid was found.

And only I found recently.

that I did not excavate it completely, I
found a pyramid which is the end of

Dynasty III of a king called Houni.

Then now we came to Sinetro. His name is
Houni? Houni.

Houni. H -U -N -I.

Okay.

Then we come to Dynasty IV, Sinetro.

Okay. Sinetro had a genius architect.

His name was Nefer Ma 'at.

Then he started.

Towns are a good name for a genius.

Yeah. He started to build a step pyramid
like this in a site called Maidum.

But for a reason we do not know, he left
it unfinished.

And he went to a place called Dahshur.

He built the pyramid with a huge angle.

And he changed the angle.

It became bent.

And he built another pyramid. If you
look at the other pyramid of the father

Kufu, it's exactly equal to the Great
Pyramid.

This is the first true pyramid. But
people never go to the shore to look at

pyramid. People always look at Kufu.

Then you have in Dynasty IV, the
pyramids were huge

because of the quality of the stones.

In the 95 and 6, there is no good
quality of stones.

Then the Egyptians made decrees on the
volume of the stones and did

increase in the volume of the war
relief.

Temples began to be decorated with
scenes for the first time.

In the Middle Kingdom, another trend.

Mud brick pyramid, but underneath maze
corridors.

of stones that if you go down, you will
lose your way.

In the new kingdom, they built, they
came in the top of

the Valley of the Kings, a shape of the
pyramid, and they buried all the kings

like King Tut and others underneath the
pyramid shape.

So that's the story.

That's the story. All right.

But listen, man, it's been fascinating
talking to you, and I definitely am

to take you up on your offer. I'm
definitely going to go to Egypt. No, now

talk. Now we'll talk. We'll talk to
Mustafa.

Send me that video so we can splice it
in of the hieroglyphs that are on the

wall. You'll send that, right? I will
send it tomorrow.

Okay. But give the email to Greg and
Mustafa now. We will do that. And they

the people that you will talk to them
now to arrange for your trip. Okay.

And I would invite you for a good – How
many days do you think I should go?

Ten days at least. Jamie, you got to
come.

You want to do a podcast from there?

Just you and me.

Let us do one inside the Great Pyramid.
Yeah, definitely.

100 percent.

OK. With the echo here though?

Oh, here's another problem with the idea
that these Italians are proposing.

Isn't there a water table under the
pyramid that's like a million years old?

No. There's not water underneath there?
No. This is the Osiris shaft that was

full of water.

So is that what Mr. Beast was swimming
in? Exactly. But where's that water

coming from?

It's a water table.

Oh, there is a water table. This shaft,
I came, I brought a company.

And we did suck all the water out. Oh.

Until he found underneath a sarcophagus
and four pillars.

Oh, wow. And this is the symbolic burial
of the god Osiris. Because Giza Plateau

was called in the new kingdom Per -Uzir
-Nib -Rastau.

The house of Osiris, lord of Rastau.

Rastau means cemetery.

But literally means the underground
tunnels.

That Osiris is ruling.

Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked
about this water under the pyramid.

It is in the shaft.

And this one beast entered inside and
swam in it. Okay.

You know, I met him because I wanted to
convince the young people that pyramids

were built by aliens.

That's why I took him to three. I don't
know.

I don't understand the alien thing. I
think super advanced culture, super

advanced civilization.

And I think the Library of Alexandria
burning is probably one of the greatest

disasters. Many people in America
believe that you believe in aliens.

When I talk to them that I'm coming to
see you. That I believe in aliens? They

do. Well.

I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens
existing.

There's hundreds of billions of galaxies
in the known universe, each with

hundreds of billions of stars, the idea
that we're uniquely alone.

You don't think there's anything out
there?

Nothing. So you don't believe in ancient
civilizations capable of advanced

construction. You don't believe in
aliens. You don't believe in carbon

am a scientist.

If you believe in something, write an
article.

Then I can read.

But don't give me a theory.

But the theory of planets containing
intelligent life is... No, that's not

I have been debating Graham Hancock and
Robert Bufal and John Anthony West, and

I told them.

From the beginning.

Your theory will go with the wind.
Right. But we're not talking about that

theory. We're talking about aliens being
possible.

No way.

No aliens. Just us. This is the national
poison. Only us in the whole universe.

If you believe in God. Us in the whole
universe?

Only us. If you believe in God, you will
do miracles.

The Egyptians believed in the afterlife.

And they made this great civilization.

I'm not saying aliens made it. I'm
saying it's very possible there's

else out there in the world.

Thank you. All right. Thank you. All
right. Goodbye, everybody. Enjoy.

I enjoyed it, too. And I'll see you next
time.

Bye, everybody.