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it was the only concentration camp in
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History built exclusively for
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women ravensbrook Germany was less than
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100 kilomet North of Berlin near the
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town of
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firstenberg the complex covered 9 Square
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kilm making it the second biggest Camp
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after awit it was established in 1938 by
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Hinrich himler the head of the SS and
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Hitler's right-hand man it was a
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segregated internment camp designed to
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Halt the reproduction of the supposedly
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inferior races and held prisoners of war
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and women seen as criminals in the eyes
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of the
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Nazis for what reason were we in prison
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what had we
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done that was the first shock of
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ravensbrook from 1939 to 1945 between
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130 and 145,000 women were were deported
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from across Europe to ravensbrook
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including some 8,000 French women as
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they were of all ages from fit young
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girls to ladies in their 60s and older
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there were also
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infants that's something for which I've
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never been able to forgive the Germans
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the children in the camps the things we
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saw nothing like this had ever been seen
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before for the deported women
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ravensbrook was the Incarnation of Hell
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the female Nazi guards behaved like
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monsters you know women are sometimes
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the worst some of the older deported
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women used to pinch their cheeks to give
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themselves some color because after the
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roll call any women who were not in good
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shape would disappear
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forever the French women were among the
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most detested in the camp we oh yes the
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hows and screams the blows from the
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offin and even the SS that was part of
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everyday life you should remember that
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there were quite a lot of us French
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women
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and we weren't very easy to
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manage medical experiments were carried
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out on human guinea
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pigs I realized they had removed one of
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my
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bones Nazi ideology called for the total
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anhil of Jewish women and their children
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with no distinction for age or
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sex we were destined to disappear from
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the surface of the
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Earth
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through the testimony of the last
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survivors illustrated by some
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exceptional drawings made within the
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camp by a French prisoner along with
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digital
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reconstructions this is the story of
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ravensbrook The Forgotten
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Camp I wish to declare the
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following May 1939
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Germany the second world war had not yet
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broken
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out nonetheless the Third Reich was
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rolling out a huge secret operation
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across the whole German
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territory Hitler's trains and trucks
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crossed the country loaded with
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prisoners who were political opponents
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or Germans and austrians deemed Unworthy
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of the Aryan
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race on May 15th one Convoy arrived at
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the edge of the small town of
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firstenberg 84 km north of
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Berlin
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on board were 860 German women and seven
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austrians they were the first inmates in
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the reich's only concentration camp
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exclusively reserved for women and their
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children
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ravensbrook the brand new camp at the
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time comprised 16 dormatory Shacks two
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Workshop blocks the common 1.2 guard
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quarters showers kitchens and the
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infirmary called the
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Rivier the 9 squ km site was ringed by a
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wall 4 M high topped with electrified
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barbed
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wire as the roundups continued the
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number of dormatory blocks doubled to
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32 the Nazis also built a bunker
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containing 80 cells one one gas chamber
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and a building to house three
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crematorium
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ovens today the dormatory blocks in
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ravensbrook have gone destroyed by the
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Nazis and later by the Russians when
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they discovered the
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camp only a handful of buildings
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Remain the Bureau of the commandant and
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the SS officers known as the
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Kanto the crematorium
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ovens and some textile Factory
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buildings ravensbrook was based on the
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model of daa for example the layout of
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the Shacks in a rectangle was exactly
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the same in both
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camps the idea of ravensbrook actually
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was developed um by himler and himler
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ultimately became the chief of all the
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concentration camps uh so Robins BR was
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his
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plan the head of the SS the police and
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the Gusto Hinrich himler was strongly
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attached to the idea of building a
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woman's camp and he himself chose the
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site at
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ravensbrook now why he chose that nobody
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knows exactly but he he he knew the area
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himler knew that area a lot of these SS
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uh officers used to love to go hunting
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they used to love to go out from Berlin
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they could get out from Berlin in a day
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and this was an place with lots of Open
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Spaces H H himler had built the camp in
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a location that was isolated and at the
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same time well connected since it was
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close to firstenberg station and a
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highway that connected some major German
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cities it was a strategic spot in the
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middle of the countryside close to a
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peaceful Lake because himler had some
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very particular
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beliefs it was his strange ideology and
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fantasies about Rebirth of the of of the
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German Soul the German land the German
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being in a
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purity himler was convinced that by
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assembling these prisoners in the
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regenerative forests of the Reich the
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Aryan race would be
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purified up until 1937 women had been
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less targeted by his
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policy
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we're dealing with a society that
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imagines itself as viral and so there's
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a very strong idea that women don't
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think and therefore do not represent any
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political danger which explains why
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between 33 and 37 the Nazis didn't do
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anything much against
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women but from 1937 on the wind changed
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the Nazis ruthlessly hunted down female
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political oppon o and Communists and
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later Jewish and Rah
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women Hitler uh began to realize that um
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that women were being rounded up in
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increasing numbers and then they needed
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to have a place for them uh and so he
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devis this idea of a specific
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concentration
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camp today very few survivors remain to
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testify about their arrival in
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when the train came to a halt we all got
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off we didn't know where we
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were immediately the SS appeared
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accompanied by their threatening
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dogs Lo move
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it and the dogs were dressed in the same
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way they had also gray Uniforms on with
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the SS on
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it and the gods were shouting away snow
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snow
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snow we walked through the huge Gateway
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which was very
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imposing and all we saw were the rows of
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blocks we were in a big Assembly Square
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where we collapsed with fatigue
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especially thirst thirst is
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terrible it's worse than hunger for me
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anyway it's worse than
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hunger we saw two people come to water
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the part of the square which we weren't
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in and none of us forceed so much as a
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teaspoon of
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water we saw some very thin women file
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past dragging themselves along with
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shovels on their backs it was a terrible
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shock because were in such a state it
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made you wonder who on Earth are these
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women where are we you never imagined
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you would become the
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same these women must have done some
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appalling things to be treated in such a
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way they looked awful to
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us some of them who were French called
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to us you'll soon look like
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us and I admit we thought this was
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impossible they wouldn't treat us in
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this manner we couldn't imagine what was
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going to happen to us in the time that
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followed I just turned 11 when I arrived
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at
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ravensbrook and so I had no idea what to
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expect for what reason had we been sent
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to prison what had we done we had no
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idea Lily lenel Rosenberg French arrived
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in ravensbrook in
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1943 the reason for her incarceration
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Jewish ma Jose shalov French deported
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age 21 arrived in
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1943 reason for incarceration member of
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the
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resistance jacn fui French aged 21 in
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1944 when she arrived in ravensbrook
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reason for incarceration resistance
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membership
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Selma voner Dutch deported in 1944 to
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ravensbrook age
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22 reason resistance
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membership Wanda Kulik rosovich from
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Poland was the first of these survivors
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to arrive at ravensbrook in 1940 at the
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age of 18 the reason for her
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incarceration resistance
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membership all Europe was there there
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wasn't a country in Europe that wasn't
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represented in ravensbrook
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from 1939 to
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1945 convoys arrived from Poland Austria
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the Netherlands the Soviet Union Belgium
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France and
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beyond all these women followed the same
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protocol on
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arrival they made us stand for 24 hours
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in the Square before were sending us to
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the
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showers
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there we had to undress fully and wait
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for the
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Germans then they took everything we had
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removing wedding rings all
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that this scene and others were
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immortalized in the utmost secrecy by
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Violet luk a member of the French
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resistance during her captivity
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here her remarkable drawings acted as
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evidence during the ravensbrook
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trials we all had to strip
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naked we were so embarrassed you know at
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the time we were very
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modest I had never seen my mother naked
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and she felt very awkward in front of
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her
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sons then you were looked at by doctors
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by a doctor who I don't think had gloves
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on or anything like that and in and um
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investigated you sexually as
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well um which
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was we had to spread our legs and lean
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forward then they shined a torch
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underneath
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us to check that we hadn't hidden any
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valuables like
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jewelry then they gave us what was the
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only possession of the deported which
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was your
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bowl and we used to sleep with our Bowls
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because if you lost it you got no soup
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and you would die much sooner they threw
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a dress to each of us which we put
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on my name disappeared I was no longer
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Mar Jose
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shamb they called me
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21706 the deportees then spent a
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fortnight in quarantine before being put
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in the
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Shacks each woman was identified by a
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piece of cloth a yellow star for the
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Jewish women a triangle for the rest
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those in the resistance were given red
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ones we were turned into shook pieces
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that the Nazis despised
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how do you withstand such a
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situation that was the first shock of
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being in
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ravensbrook the shock felt by the
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inmates as they were stripped of their
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identity was only the first of
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many from the third floor building known
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as the comman tuo max kugle ruled the
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camp with an iron hand until
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1942 appointed by hinr himler he was a
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fervent Nazi a notorious anti-semite and
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a cruel
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man in the initial rules at the
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ravensbrook Concentration Camp there was
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nothing about prisoners being beaten it
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was Max kugle who in 1940 encouraged by
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Hinrich himler asked that punishment
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beatings also be applied to
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women kgle realized there was no bunker
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he he didn't uh tolerate that he
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persuaded him that this was
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necessary the bunker was always a place
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of absolute horror for all
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Prisoners the lower levels were the
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scenes of torture of
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beatings and they were held in solitary
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confinement in darkness with no
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food to run the camp kogal had under his
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command some 50 SS troops and 55 female
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guards these were Prestige posts
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well paid for German women of modest
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background they were known as The Black
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Crows from the moment they put on their
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uniform suddenly they were
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transformed it took around 2 weeks for a
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new guard to become as brutal and as
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violent as the other
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guards it was forbidden to look the Nazi
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guards in the
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eyes when they took the roll call we had
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to have our head lowered like
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this you quickly got used to being
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struck and slapped blows to the Head too
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you know women are sometimes the
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worst fale violence remained more
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intensely scored in the prisoners
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memories than the violence of the men
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because it was
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unexpected whether French Resistance
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members polish or
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German or women deported for racial
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motives for all the first torture was
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the roll call four times a day the
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prisoners were counted in the central
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square covering 2 square
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km the first blast of the siren which
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governed everything was the wakeup at
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3:20 a.m. we would go and stand outside
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and stay still in this position weren't
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allowed to talk with the woman next to
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you the number of prisoners counted had
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to correspond to the guard's list for
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example if a woman had escaped the whole
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Camp was left standing for hours until
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she was
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found the women would wait here at 20°
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below freezing in Winter and in 30° heat
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in summer it was real
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torture
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I can still see some of the older
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deported women those who were sickly who
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would pinch and slap their cheeks during
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the roll
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call to begin with I wondered what this
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gesture
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meant I quickly realized they were doing
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this to put some color in their cheeks
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because when roll call was over any
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women who were not in good shape were
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taken aside and they would disappear
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forever among the persecutors three
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names have gone down in history Joanna
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leld headguard until 1942 and the first
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head of the women's camp in
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aitz Maria Mandel who took over from
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Joanna langfeld at the women's section
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of
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aitz and dorothia bins known as the
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beautiful [ __ ] the last headguard of
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ravensbo Brook she took part in the mass
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killings that took place
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there
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bz was an extremely brutal woman who
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regularly struck
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people I was once beaten to the ground
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simply because I put my hands in my
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sleeves when they were
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freezing she was very much a kid who was
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very troubled herself she was a blonde
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she was pretty she was attractive to men
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and obviously she had innate inside her
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some fairly sadistic Tendencies which
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the camp encouraged and brought
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out officially dorothia bince and her
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fellow guards did not have the right of
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life and death over prisoners but they
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often killed with their bare hands or
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kicked people to death their accessories
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were clubs and
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dogs himler had worked out that with one
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dog they could save on two or three
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extra
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guards him believe that women are
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naturally afraid of dogs so they were
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used on a much wider scale as part of
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the Guard apparatus in concentration
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camps for
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women to keep the women guards happy
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they lived in comfortable houses and
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would go ice skating in Winter and
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boating in
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summer they frequented the SS soldiers
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and would sometimes form intimate
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relationships with them when they left
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the camp where these men and women had
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committed the worst Horrors they had to
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give the impression that they were going
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home like any office
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employee 50 m from their Villas the
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inmates observed
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them we knew that they ate well they had
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boots they
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had we had nothing we were in the
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cold they were well equipped warmly
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dressed that's for sure
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the German polish and Dutch women
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interned in ravensbrook whether
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political prisoners prostitutes or those
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of Jewish origin were all put in
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dormatory
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blocks each block which contained up to
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200 inmates was divided into two
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symmetrical Parts in each Wing there was
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a dormatory and common room with
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latrines and a washroom in the
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center there were three of us per bunk
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and a bunk was about 70 CM wide in other
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words the width for one person but there
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were three of
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us so you can perhaps imagine what life
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was like in those
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conditions we were like
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sardines deprived of all Humanity the
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inmates were condemned to a slow death
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it was Hitler's
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will but killing the prisoners was not
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enough for the Nazis they had to see
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them
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suffer there was always a hierarchy
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amongst the prisoners because of course
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himler was a master of the art of divide
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and
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rule the Nazis knowingly involved the
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prisoners in the working methods of the
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concentration camps deliberately to
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provoke antagonism between
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them
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they also planted spies in the blocks to
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know what was going on inside and to
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maintain
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control the SS didn't have enough staff
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or guards to keep control on their own
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the prisoners had to do it themselves
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there's no doubt that if nobody had
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agreed to collaborate with the na
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management system these camps wouldn't
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have been possible to
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run
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at the same time victims and persecutors
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so-called capos emerged in the men's
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camps in the mid 1930s and soon made
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their appearance in
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ravensbrook where they were known as
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Blas one nationality that had been
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present since 1939 gradually imposed
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itself over time in these strategic
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posts the Polish I polish women were the
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most widely represented nationality in
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ravensburg
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around 140,000 went through the
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camp they had good knowledge of the
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German
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language so they had more chance of
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obtaining these
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posts many Polish women were capos they
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wouldn't tell you this but Polish women
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were not well-liked in the
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camps they worked for the Germans
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especially thein and in general they
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were not very
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kind some people even have appalling
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Recollections of these
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capos through their dedication to duty
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some Polish inmates even succeeded in
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winning the respect of Joanna leld
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Ravens Brook's head
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guard she admired the Polish for their
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nationalism and their
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patriotism however as a good National
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Socialist she had no pity for the Jewish
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prisoners she was anti-semitic and would
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pick these women in 1941 to send them to
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special centers Where They carried out
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the extermination by gassing certain
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female
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prisoners if there was a hierarchy in
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the horror the worst treatment in
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ravensbrook was reserved for Jewish
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women Jews had been present in the camp
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since 1939 and accounted for 15% of the
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female population
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there from 1944 on thousands of Jewish
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women were sent there from awit or else
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deported there directly on their own or
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with their children both girls and
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boys the only children who were deported
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were Jews and ROMs
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we were destined to be eliminated from
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the surface of the
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planet on the night of October 27th 1943
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Lily aged 11 was sleeping peacefully in
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the family apartment in rube northern
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France when she heard the boots of the
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SS in the
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stairwell
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figure this date remains indelibly
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imprinted in my mind
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because it was my mother's
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birthday it was on that night that the
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Fel joh Marie came crashing into our
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house in the middle of the night at 3 in
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the morning they marched up the stairs
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banging on the doors we were woken with
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a
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start the whole family was
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arrested reason given was that we were
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of Jewish
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origin that was our
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crime Lily was then sent to Germany with
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her mother and two brothers age nine and
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three her father was sent to binval from
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where he never
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returned in ravensbrook Lily met the
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same fate as thousands of other deported
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Jewish
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women they were kept separate from the
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other prisoners they were given less
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breaks from the slave labor they were
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slurred by the guards they were called
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Jewish
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[ __ ] and many of the prisoners probably
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felt a certain anti-Semitism towards
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them as
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well whether due to overcrowding or
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simple Nazi pragmatism it is hard to say
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why some Jewish women were sent to
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ravensbrook rather than
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elsewhere it is also hard to say how
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many Jewish women and children died in r
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Brook but one thing is sure even before
569
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,799
the construction of a gas chamber at the
570
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,000
camp their chances of survival were much
571
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,799
lower than any other group in the
572
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:42,360
camp the Nazis according to their whim
573
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,760
would sometimes pluck a child from one
574
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,960
block or
575
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,360
another and that child would never be
576
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,320
seen again every evening when she
577
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,039
returned from work Mama anxiously
578
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:56,880
wondered will I find my little children
579
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,519
waiting for me
580
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,600
me political prisoner was much better
581
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,080
mind you many of them were killed or
582
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,360
died just the same but not as
583
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,679
automatically as when you were
584
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:16,279
Jewish there was no question about not
585
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,279
being sent to
586
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,519
ourz Selma Vare was 22 when she was
587
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,080
deported to ravensbrook a member of the
588
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,240
resistance she hid her Jewish identity
589
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,039
and Till The Liberation as did Denise
590
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,559
ver the sister of siman V I was afraid
591
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,840
of that all the time yeah I pushed my
592
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,799
real identity away as much as possible I
593
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,120
was scared that I was going to talk in
594
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,679
my
595
00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:45,399
sleep I was scared all the time about
596
00:28:45,399 --> 00:28:48,440
that yes yes the Jewish were always
597
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,880
singled out um For Worse treatment than
598
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,880
the rest of the prisoners um and this
599
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,080
went through right till the very
600
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,559
end
601
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,640
and yet amidst the nightmare of the
602
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Jewish women's block there were rare
603
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,440
moments of
604
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,159
Happiness there was a Polish lady who
605
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:09,080
was
606
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,320
amazing and when there weren't too many
607
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,880
SS around she gathered us together and
608
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,039
told us sing
609
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,480
something for those few minutes when we
610
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,080
were singing we thought we had already
611
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,919
left the camp and were perhaps at home
612
00:29:24,919 --> 00:29:29,320
they were exceptional moments
613
00:29:30,679 --> 00:29:33,880
come quick and save us from
614
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,440
here I beg you if you don't come we will
615
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200
all be done
616
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,600
for do not forget
617
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,279
us as the population in ravensbrook
618
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,360
continued to grow numbering more than
619
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
2,000 prisoners Germany was making
620
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,039
territory torial gains in an Ever more
621
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,440
brutal
622
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,320
War verm Tanks entered
623
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,720
France the French capitulated Paris was
624
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,480
declared an open
625
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,880
City soon after women began joining the
626
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,480
resistance among them was jacn flurry
627
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,559
who was 17 at the
628
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,240
time I'm from a family who objected
629
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,559
strongly to the occupation the whole
630
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,279
family became active in the resistance
631
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,919
movement jacleen joined the defense of
632
00:30:28,919 --> 00:30:31,760
France group one of her missions was to
633
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,120
carry the movement's clandestine
634
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,559
newspaper from Paris to
635
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,080
Versailles seeing the swasa flying over
636
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,440
the CH de was unacceptable for us
637
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
totally
638
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,679
unacceptable and without any need for
639
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:48,000
discussion we thought we had to do
640
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,679
something against this occupying
641
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,279
Force at the end of June 1944 she was a
642
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,519
arrested in her home by the gapo after 4
643
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:00,960
years of resistance
644
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,200
activity only her brother managed to
645
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,279
escape my father mother and I were
646
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,200
arrested in late June of 44 and taken to
647
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,679
fren
648
00:31:15,159 --> 00:31:17,840
prison we were taken there in a black
649
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,880
Citroen which I think was familiar to
650
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,240
all resistance members who were
651
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,360
arrested from prison jacan was sent to
652
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,200
ravensbrook the most frequent
653
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,799
destination for those deported from
654
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,519
occupied France under repressive
655
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,679
measures among the French Resistance
656
00:31:38,679 --> 00:31:40,240
members in the women's Camp along with
657
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
jacen some became well-known figures
658
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,480
like the ethnologist jamain
659
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,200
ton jeen Viv deal the General's
660
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,799
niece and Denise V the sister of siman V
661
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,519
but this was only part of the picture
662
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,440
you had sort of French Aristocrats you
663
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,440
had countesses mixed up with kind of
664
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,919
French prostitutes with French lawyers
665
00:32:04,919 --> 00:32:09,000
with with all sorts they were all mixed
666
00:32:09,159 --> 00:32:11,559
up the French women were among the most
667
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,960
hated in the camp despised by the Slavic
668
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,480
inmates who found them too
669
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,080
precious when the French women found out
670
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,240
some Polish women were due to be shot
671
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,080
would come to see us and
672
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,120
say give me your scarf you won't be
673
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,799
needing it
674
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,600
now the slaves they're physically
675
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,200
tougher and the French were physically
676
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,600
very weak right from the start they were
677
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,720
much more
678
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,960
delicate so the French start dying very
679
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,080
quickly the French women who arrived in
680
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,760
ravensbrook later than the other
681
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,080
nationalities were assigned the hardest
682
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,960
tasks
683
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,559
this very quickly left its mark on us we
684
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,320
were soon just skin and bone since we
685
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,799
hardly ate anything you wither away very
686
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600
quickly you unload coal wagons for 12
687
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760
hours you get home you've got nothing to
688
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,120
change into you only have water you've
689
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,519
got nothing to wash with you're in a
690
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,080
terrible state of
691
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,799
fatigue and the next day
692
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,360
you're woken at
693
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,519
4:30 you head off for another 12 hours
694
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,279
of the same
695
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,519
work and when the road was finished they
696
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,320
tore it up to start
697
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,399
again can you imagine living like
698
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:48,000
that do you think that's
699
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,960
enough the Nazi guards also hated the
700
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,960
French women and never appointed them as
701
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Blas
702
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,080
ah yes the howls the screams the blows
703
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,000
from the
704
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,039
offin and even the SS all that was part
705
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,119
of everyday life you should remember
706
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,480
there were quite a lot of us French
707
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,159
women and we weren't very easy to
708
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,240
manage the Germans also had a very firm
709
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,159
idea about France and saw the French as
710
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,280
hereditary enemies of
711
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:26,359
Germany the French women were not
712
00:34:26,359 --> 00:34:28,879
trustworthy
713
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,200
we often heard them say you French women
714
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,119
you're very poor workers if they only
715
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,800
knew how delighted we were to hear that
716
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,159
then maybe they wouldn't have said it so
717
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,960
often but we were very happy about that
718
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,320
because we were doing it deliberately
719
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,560
obviously June
720
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,800
1941 German broke the German Soviet pact
721
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,480
and attacked
722
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,240
Russia to execute his plan Hitler
723
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,760
mobilized Millions more
724
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,320
solders the Nazi war machine depended on
725
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,119
the output of German industry more than
726
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
ever they had to produce more and more
727
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,520
military equipment ammunitions and this
728
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,599
led to companies involved in war rated
729
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,359
production to set up on an increasingly
730
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,280
large scale is part of the Concentration
731
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Camp
732
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,560
system from 1942 onwards companies such
733
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,520
as IG farbin Porsche balen Bush and Opel
734
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,480
began to rely on the Concentration Camp
735
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,640
mechanism seamons moved into
736
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,599
ravensbrook its vast factory made up of
737
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:48,960
16 Workshop blocks used the deported
738
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,319
women as
739
00:35:51,319 --> 00:35:54,839
labor the inmates would be leased and
740
00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:58,000
made available without wages
741
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,119
by a private company which paid the SS a
742
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,599
variable
743
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,000
sum Germany would become an immense War
744
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Factory and Deportes formed a Workforce
745
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,200
which cost
746
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,760
nothing when a Deport died they were
747
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,240
immediately
748
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,160
replaced the women deported to
749
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,160
ravensbrook were particularly useful
750
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,760
himler
751
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160
believed they had smaller hands so could
752
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,599
carry out more precise and meticulous
753
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,440
tasks we were quite simply slav know two
754
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,920
ways about
755
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,319
it between the slavery torture and
756
00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:37,079
secret transports to the gas Chambers
757
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,560
ravensbrook in 1942 was a hellish prison
758
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,839
regime but the Nazis would sink yet
759
00:36:44,839 --> 00:36:47,960
further in the horrors they
760
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,760
perpetrated in 1942 Hitler lost one of
761
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,200
his key
762
00:36:55,319 --> 00:36:58,800
men Reinhard HRI chief of the Reich main
763
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,160
Security Office died as the result of an
764
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,720
ambush in
765
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,160
Prague the SS doctor Carl gibart was
766
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,319
dispatched to save him in vain Hitler
767
00:37:09,319 --> 00:37:10,880
was
768
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Furious when Paul gibart it was Carl
769
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,880
gibart who decided on the treatment but
770
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,079
his approach was
771
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,040
criticized if he had used the new
772
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,280
antibacterial drug sulfonamide pish
773
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,599
could have
774
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,080
survived
775
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,480
[Music]
776
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,839
to preserve his reputation gibart set
777
00:37:30,839 --> 00:37:32,720
out to demonstrate the ineffectiveness
778
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,800
of sulfonamide a forerunner of
779
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,079
antibiotics on Gang
780
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,720
Green and ravensbrook would be the arena
781
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,440
of his medical
782
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,280
experiments these were carried out in
783
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,440
the Rivier the infirmary
784
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,440
block a double building covering 1500
785
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,960
square m connected by a corridor
786
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,319
comprising 20 rooms in including seven
787
00:37:57,319 --> 00:37:59,839
Wards for the hospitalization of inmates
788
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,480
an operating theater an examination room
789
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,400
and
790
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200
offices that day a group of inmates were
791
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,800
presented to a college of Nazi
792
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,119
doctors the women were all in perfect
793
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,160
health and they were
794
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,440
polish the Nazis considered Jews as a
795
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,520
sort of
796
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,160
subhuman so any experiments on them
797
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520
would not be conclusive when applied to
798
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,280
arens
799
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,440
so they had to use human subjects that
800
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,440
they saw as closer to Aryan made up of
801
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,319
Polish a subcategory in terms of Nazi
802
00:38:36,319 --> 00:38:38,359
ideology but nonetheless a form of
803
00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:39,820
humanity closer to the
804
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:45,000
[Music]
805
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,240
German since its Creation in 1939 the
806
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,160
infirmary in ravensbrook was not like
807
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,880
any ordinary
808
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,880
[Music]
809
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,200
hospital in General when anyone went to
810
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,119
the
811
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:58,359
it was to
812
00:38:58,359 --> 00:39:00,960
die I shared a bunk with the woman who
813
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,359
had died in the night and another who
814
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:06,040
was coughing up
815
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,839
blood but in
816
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:10,240
1942 the diabolic mind of Heinrich
817
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,200
himler came up with the idea of using
818
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520
inmates at ravensbrook as human guinea
819
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,000
pigs prefiguring mangal's work in
820
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,240
aitz Carl gibart was put in charge of
821
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,400
this
822
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,960
mission concentration camp system
823
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,079
offered SS doctor subjects in this case
824
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,520
human beings who were seen as raw
825
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,520
material that could be used in a whole
826
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,640
range of medical
827
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,319
experiments one of these guinea pigs
828
00:39:42,319 --> 00:39:45,880
survived Wanda Kulik rosovich we tracked
829
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,400
her down to the Polish Capital
830
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,560
Orsa on that day they took me into the
831
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,640
operating theater in a wheelchair
832
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,640
I had no idea why I was being taken
833
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,960
there they injected us with a
834
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,920
liquid we were laid
835
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,520
down completely
836
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,880
drowsy we didn't know what was going to
837
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,359
happen to us we were in good
838
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:28,359
health
839
00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:32,240
they were the most horrific mutilations
840
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,280
that were carried out on legs primarily
841
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,280
but not only on legs where they were um
842
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,040
they their bones were deliberately
843
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,079
broken and um their muscles were CR were
844
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:46,920
crushed and they were infected
845
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,560
deliberately with Gang Green and with
846
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,480
other incredibly
847
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,960
infectious
848
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,319
diseases the subject had pieces of glass
849
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:58,319
glass and splinters of wood pushed into
850
00:40:58,319 --> 00:40:59,560
open
851
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,079
wounds and were injected with diseases
852
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,359
like typhus and gas
853
00:41:04,359 --> 00:41:07,240
gangin gebhart's experiments not only
854
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,520
violated every ethical code but they
855
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,280
demonstrated
856
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,359
nothing disoriented and semiconscious
857
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,520
Wanda was unsure how many days and
858
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,440
nights he stayed in the
859
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,680
Rivier I realized they had removed one
860
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,240
of my
861
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:29,400
bones our legs stank like rotten
862
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,400
fish the stench was
863
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,000
terrible on top of that it was awfully
864
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,880
hot all in all it was
865
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,599
horrendous in the eyes of the Nazis we
866
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,160
weren't even
867
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,000
human in total 86 Deportes including 74
868
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,119
Polish women were used as human guinea
869
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,359
pigs in ravensbrook as the these
870
00:41:56,359 --> 00:41:59,400
clandestine photos
871
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:04,720
show 23 would die as a result of these
872
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,560
experiments having had nerves muscles or
873
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,839
bones removed the survivors tended to
874
00:42:10,839 --> 00:42:13,040
hop around and were given the cruel
875
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,000
nickname of
876
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,319
rabbits those young Polish women walked
877
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:20,760
with difficulty they had wounds on their
878
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,200
legs and we learned from fellow inmates
879
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,160
that they had been used as guinea
880
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,040
pigs it was more than a shock it was
881
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,040
unimaginable not only inhumane but we'd
882
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,680
never even thought such a thing could
883
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:39,480
happen one year later in February 1943
884
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,240
the Nazis suffered a crushing defeat in
885
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,280
Stalingrad they were losing ground the
886
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,760
Allies landed in
887
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,359
Italy yet ravensbrook seemed cut off
888
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:52,760
from the rest of the
889
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,800
world and the rabbits were still
890
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,440
undergoing the most inhuman human
891
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,880
torture and executions
892
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,960
intensified then in March 1943 the
893
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,680
mutilated inmates attempted the
894
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,559
unthinkable we organized a sort of March
895
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,040
of the
896
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,280
infirm we wanted to see the
897
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,760
common we wanted to tell him that the
898
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,040
prison the operations the firing
899
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,240
squads it's all getting to be too much
900
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,720
don't you
901
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,839
think the response of Fritz Surin the
902
00:43:32,839 --> 00:43:34,520
Camp's new commandant to these
903
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,800
grievances was to issue orders for four
904
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,240
of the protesters to be executed the
905
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,960
human guinea pigs continued to rail
906
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,160
against the Nazi machine the head guard
907
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,520
Joanna langerfeld came to their
908
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,359
defense Joanna langfeld found out that
909
00:43:48,359 --> 00:43:50,599
these women were due to be executed
910
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:52,880
because they had been summoned by her
911
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,720
hierarchy that was when she picked up
912
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,079
the phone and called the Comm
913
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,319
leld was herself stripped of her
914
00:44:01,319 --> 00:44:03,960
functions for
915
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,240
insubordination after the war despite
916
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,880
her involvement in the killing of Jewish
917
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,760
Women some Polish women helped her
918
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,079
escape the prison where she'd been
919
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:15,000
incarcerated thereby avoiding
920
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:18,640
trial in ravensbrook despite lel's
921
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,760
intervention on February 4th 1945 the
922
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,240
Polish women were ordered not to leave
923
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,480
their block their execution was
924
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,559
approaching
925
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:28,079
they had to be killed because they would
926
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,240
be the living Witnesses the living
927
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,400
evidence of this war
928
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,800
crime the Rapids probably would have
929
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,640
been killed if other inmates had not
930
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040
risked their lives to save
931
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,599
them a general roll call was
932
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,559
announced all the prisoners were
933
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,240
assembled in the
934
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,720
Square had to stand there until guards
935
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,119
identified
936
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,240
them one inmate created a diversion
937
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:04,559
shouting out that there was some bread
938
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:05,640
available
939
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,800
somewhere the starving prisoners all
940
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,359
rushed to that place sparking chaos
941
00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:13,599
which allowed the Polish women to
942
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,359
hide they were hidden in the roof of the
943
00:45:18,359 --> 00:45:20,079
blocks they were hidden in the hospital
944
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,240
block and they were pretended to be dead
945
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,640
or or they were disguised or they were
946
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,599
dressed up in in in other
947
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,160
clothes and they were moved at night if
948
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,680
if it was felt that the guards knew
949
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,559
where they were then the prisoners came
950
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,200
together and sort of moved them from
951
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,680
block to
952
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,200
block the prisoners hid the rabbits in
953
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,000
other blocks they did for example swap
954
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,680
their prisoner numbers for those of
955
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,800
inmates who were already
956
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,440
dead they were helped by the whole Camp
957
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
the whole Camp tried to save them and
958
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,760
what's more
959
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,200
succeeded despite the incessant hunt
960
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,760
that continued up until the liberation
961
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,280
of the camp the Nazi guards never put
962
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,240
their hands on the Rapids in what was a
963
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,680
powerful Act of resistance in the
964
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,079
history of the concentration
965
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,200
camps 1944 German forces were teetering
966
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,800
all over Europe the Reich was was
967
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,880
collapsing and yet this was when the
968
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,760
Nazis would generate even more victims
969
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
with the mass deportation of Jews to
970
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,359
carry out their project of extermination
971
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,319
and the dismantling of resistance
972
00:46:37,319 --> 00:46:39,760
networks so far the Nazi doctors at
973
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,480
ravensbrook had managed to control the
974
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,440
occasional pregnancy by performing
975
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440
abortions on any deportee who arrived
976
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,520
pregnant but now the inmate population
977
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,000
was exploding they simply couldn't carry
978
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,680
out abortions at the rate that was
979
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,920
necessary to stop babies being being
980
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,359
bought in the camp so this extraordinary
981
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:02,680
uh idea was arrived at which was that we
982
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,200
will let the babies be
983
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,640
born and then we'll let them
984
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,359
die Fritz Surin started the Kinder
985
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:14,040
Zimmer award for children to which
986
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,520
French Resistance member m Jose shalov
987
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,720
was assigned as a medical
988
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,280
student I entered this room and was
989
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,440
appalled to find newborns piled up on
990
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,960
the heads where they were being
991
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,480
kept they looked like little old men it
992
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,880
was horrific that was one thing for
993
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,400
which I could never forgive the Germans
994
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,410
the children in the camps the things we
995
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:44,760
[Music]
996
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
saw the technique of starvation had
997
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,240
already been tried by the
998
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,160
Nazis in ravensbrook it was applied to
999
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,720
babies and their
1000
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,839
mothers the food was so appalling that
1001
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,440
the state of their bodies was just not
1002
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,559
producing any breast milk so that's an
1003
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:04,720
added torture that not only have you
1004
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,400
given birth to this baby but you then
1005
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,839
can't feed the
1006
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,800
baby so once again in ravensbrook an
1007
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,359
active resistance was organized the Deep
1008
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,200
ores who still had any milk often the
1009
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,640
ROM women who were more robust breastfed
1010
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,760
babies other than their own it was an
1011
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,160
act of
1012
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,920
desperation in ravensbrook I saw
1013
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,520
comrades who died there were executions
1014
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,480
but for me the worst was the Kinder
1015
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,720
Zimmer with the Advent of the Kinder
1016
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,640
Zimmer in 1944 ravensbrook had sunk to
1017
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,440
Fresh depths of
1018
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,240
horror that violence was part of a very
1019
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,960
particular stage in the war a time when
1020
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,800
the mass murder of anyone who could
1021
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,839
constitute a danger
1022
00:48:46,839 --> 00:48:49,200
began the Nazis wanted to take their
1023
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,920
murderous ideology regarding the
1024
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,040
supposed inferior races to its Grim
1025
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,520
conclusion and at the same time silenced
1026
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,799
the the witnesses and victims of their
1027
00:48:57,799 --> 00:49:01,160
crimes jine tillon who uh the French
1028
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,480
prisoner who wrote about this said it
1029
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,400
was
1030
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,079
lasas it was lasas they were hunting
1031
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,480
them down like animals and that's for
1032
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,599
the last days of robins
1033
00:49:17,799 --> 00:49:21,559
bre in 1943 the Nazis had already built
1034
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,839
three crematorium ovens in ravensbrook
1035
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:25,599
to burn the bodies of women killed by
1036
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,000
shooting or injection or who simply died
1037
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000
due to the
1038
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,119
conditions to step up the pace of
1039
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,200
killing the extermination now took place
1040
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,160
in the Camp's gas
1041
00:49:39,319 --> 00:49:42,760
chamber here from the start of 1945 the
1042
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Nazis packed in up to 180 people at a
1043
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,040
time none of the inmates were ignorant
1044
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,720
of what was going on there there were
1045
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,720
several ways of killing people of course
1046
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,200
I was dead scared to go to the doctor
1047
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,160
because if you were going to be sent to
1048
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,799
the rever that they might take M inject
1049
00:50:00,799 --> 00:50:03,520
you and that's how people died and were
1050
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,480
taken to the
1051
00:50:06,839 --> 00:50:09,599
commission Mama Tried to Shield us from
1052
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,559
death it was sometimes present but you
1053
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,240
know you can hide it from a little child
1054
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,079
by pretending the person is asleep or
1055
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:22,079
saying they went to the hospital to be
1056
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,520
treated so when a dead person was remove
1057
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,440
mov you didn't
1058
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,720
realize we knew our fellow inmates we
1059
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,559
knew their real names and when they died
1060
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:35,640
they would tell us if you ever get back
1061
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,799
home tell them how I
1062
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,720
died at the time I thought a lot about
1063
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,400
France because I thought I'd never see
1064
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,599
it
1065
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:52,520
again between January and April 1945 in
1066
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,079
just 3 months nearly 6,000 women and
1067
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:58,960
children died in the gas chamber at
1068
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:02,760
ravensbrook June 6th
1069
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,280
1944 while the Nazis continued the mass
1070
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,480
murder in ravensbrook the Allies landed
1071
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,880
in
1072
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Normandy but in the reich's other
1073
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,599
territories Poland Austria Germany
1074
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,839
itself The Liberation was still a long
1075
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:16,920
way
1076
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,040
off when we heard about the D-Day
1077
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,240
Landings we said to ourselves we're not
1078
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,280
going to spend another winter
1079
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,040
here but unfortunately there was lots of
1080
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,119
fighting it took a lot longer than we
1081
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,880
had hoped it was interminable we had to
1082
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,559
hang on to the
1083
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,359
end the deportees had to wait for long
1084
00:51:36,359 --> 00:51:38,920
months during which Millions more fell
1085
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,720
victim to the Nazi killing
1086
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,520
machine aitz was liberated on January
1087
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,359
27th
1088
00:51:46,359 --> 00:51:49,160
1945 booken Wald on April
1089
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,240
10th and ravensbrook on April 30th by
1090
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,319
the Red Army some of the Russian command
1091
00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:57,119
ERS were obviously horrified by what
1092
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:58,640
they saw and did everything they could
1093
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,839
to help there was also a very dark side
1094
00:52:00,839 --> 00:52:02,240
to the Liberation because of course the
1095
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,400
Russian Red Army was Notorious for rape
1096
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,760
of
1097
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,000
women among the ranks of the prisoners
1098
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,640
who were finally freed was Mar Jose
1099
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,880
shalov a French Resistance member who
1100
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,720
had spent two years in the
1101
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,319
camp the French women all sang the mares
1102
00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:20,839
at the top of their voices it was
1103
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:24,280
[Music]
1104
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,960
incredible
1105
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,119
Lily lenier Rosenberg was transferred in
1106
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,839
early April 1945 to Beren
1107
00:52:30,839 --> 00:52:33,240
bellson having been liberated she
1108
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,839
returned to France with her two little
1109
00:52:34,839 --> 00:52:37,119
brothers she was reunited with her
1110
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,799
mother
1111
00:52:38,799 --> 00:52:42,839
later k What revenge over the Nazis and
1112
00:52:42,839 --> 00:52:45,760
it's true it's a kind of Revenge how
1113
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,720
else can you explain that three little
1114
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,160
children returned that a child age three
1115
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,799
and a half
1116
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:55,640
survived French Resistance members jacen
1117
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,400
flurry and her mother avoided the death
1118
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,880
marches before returning to France and
1119
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,960
to the Reception Center for deportees at
1120
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,240
the leesia hotel in
1121
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,359
Paris there were lists pinned up in the
1122
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:12,319
lobby as far as I remember and we were
1123
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:13,960
asked lots of
1124
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,440
questions it was very hard it wasn't
1125
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,000
just we're home that's great not at
1126
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,839
all and then the following morning they
1127
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:26,640
gave you 10 Franks and a Metro ticket
1128
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,359
and that was it you went
1129
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,480
home piecing oneself back together
1130
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,520
having survived ravensbrook in a France
1131
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,400
that wanted to forget was certainly No
1132
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,760
Easy
1133
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Task the trials which took place from
1134
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,599
1946 to 1950 did however allow certain
1135
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:45,839
women who'd been in the French
1136
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:48,359
Resistance to tell their
1137
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:50,799
story I knew the names of the commandant
1138
00:53:50,799 --> 00:53:53,760
and the doctors at the camp so after the
1139
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,160
war I testified against them
1140
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,440
in principle I'm against the death
1141
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,280
penalty but I thought it was quite
1142
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,640
appropriate that those in charge at
1143
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,640
ravensbrook were
1144
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,920
executed in 1947 Carl Gart was sentenced
1145
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,720
to death having been found guilty of
1146
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:18,520
murder war crimes and crimes against
1147
00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:22,799
humanity the commandant Max kogel was
1148
00:54:22,799 --> 00:54:24,760
arrested by the US Army but committed
1149
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,960
suicide side in his cell in
1150
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:31,480
1946 Fritz Surin was sentenced to death
1151
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,200
and shot in
1152
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,839
1950 the guard Dortha bin was executed
1153
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:40,000
in
1154
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,599
1947 yet despite the trial and its
1155
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,880
Singularity the ravensburg camp long
1156
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,319
remained a footnote in the history of
1157
00:54:47,319 --> 00:54:49,160
the
1158
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,200
war the people who write write the
1159
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,720
history are usually men and men were
1160
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,720
simply not interested male historians
1161
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:57,680
were not interested and indeed most of
1162
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,839
them are not today interested in
1163
00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:02,720
ravensbrook and they showed
1164
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,319
extraordinary ignorance about
1165
00:55:05,319 --> 00:55:08,319
ravensburg the prosecuting lawyer who
1166
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:11,359
was actually a British Barrister trying
1167
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:13,839
to explain ravensbrook to the judges
1168
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:15,880
described it as that he said he had to
1169
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,680
understand this not just as a crime
1170
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,079
against but a crime against women
1171
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,520
because they were very specifically
1172
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,359
crimes fortunately the president ious
1173
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:28,079
accounts of the survivors still resonate
1174
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,839
notably the celebrated writings of the
1175
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:32,140
French Resistance member jamain
1176
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:34,240
[Music]
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Tong I owe the fact that I survived
1178
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,799
first and foremost to Good
1179
00:55:38,799 --> 00:55:42,039
Fortune then to anger and the will to
1180
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,400
expose these crimes and lastly to a
1181
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,960
coalition of friendship because I had
1182
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,880
lost the visceral desire to
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