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Would
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you raise your right hand, please? Do
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you solemnly swear the testimony you're
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about to give in the matter now pending
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shall be the truth, the whole truth, and
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nothing but the truth?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Would you please state your full name?
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And Jeffrey Edward Epstein, and my
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residence address is 6100 Red Hook
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Boulevard in Virgin Islands.
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Have you ever been convicted of a crime?
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Yes.
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The [music] sex crimes of millionaire
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financia Jeffrey Epstein are appalling.
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I was unaware that I was going to be
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alone with him. I thought I was going to
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die.
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More than 100 vulnerable [music]
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teenagers and young women trapped in his
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depraved web.
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He starts searching [music] himself.
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Tonight, the Epstein files. The latest
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on who knew what in the biggest sex
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trafficking ring [music] in history.
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His
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elite circle of the wealthy and powerful
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[music] on notice as thousands of
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damning new court documents are
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unsealed.
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They will contain the names of people
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associated with [music] Jeffrey Epstein.
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Prince Andrew and the former president
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Phil Clinton have been named.
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More are expected to come out.
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In the last few weeks, [music] they've
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linked Epstein to some very famous names
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and exposed some very sorted details.
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There are videos that exist.
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We've been investigating this scandal
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since Jeffrey Epstein's death in 2019.
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This is where Jeffrey Epstein served his
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sentence. That he can still shock is
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extraordinary. [music]
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I won't stop fighting. I will never be
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silenced.
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As you'll see, this monster's tentacles
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continue to reach
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from beyond the grave.
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What?
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Refusing to answer lawyers on the
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grounds he might incriminate himself,
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Epstein thought his own silence would
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protect him forever.
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With his death by [music] suicide in
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2019 and the jailing of his former lover
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and right-hand woman, Galen Maxwell 2
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years ago, Epstein's associates [music]
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may well have thought the scandal was
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over.
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But after a decade of legal wrangling,
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more than 150 people have been publicly
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identified, [music]
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linked to Epstein and his sex
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trafficking network.
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He was a brilliant manipulator
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not just of vulnerable girls and women.
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He was a brilliant manipulator of
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powerful
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men. a really heinous crime on an
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absolutely massive scale that was
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allowed to continue and continue and
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continue
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on my own island. I can think the
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thoughts I want to think. I can do the
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work I want to do. I can see explore as
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I see fit.
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Jeffrey Epstein's [music] vast wealth
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gave him access to whatever he wanted.
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As we now know, the globe trotting
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multi-millionaire created a network
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[music] where young women were supplied
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to him wherever he went. I realize what
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I am. I'm very comfortable in my own
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skin. What I'm really free to do is I'm
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free to follow my own personality.
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And with his own plain and plush
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properties all over the world, he felt
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free to abuse [music] in the privacy of
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his various homes.
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This is New York. This is Palm Beach.
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This is California. This is Paris. This
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is London. This is wherever Epstein was
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touching down. He needed to have girls
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on constant call in every single state
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or every place that he goes to. He's
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already got people lined up and makers
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making that happen.
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None of this would ever have seen the
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light of day if it wasn't for Virginia.
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Her allegations of [music] sexual abuse
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against Epstein, Maxwell, and famously
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Prince Andrew have fascinated [music]
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and repulsed the world.
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In 2015, Virginia sued Maxwell for
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defamation.
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These latest documents are in the main
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sworn statements [music] collected for
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that case.
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It's hard. It's really hard being back
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here.
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We met Virginia 5 years ago when she
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bravely returned for the first time to
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the Epstein [music]
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mansion in Manhattan.
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I was abused by
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people that I can't even mention here.
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There there's a lot of scars hidden
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behind those walls.
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It should be ripped down. It should be
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burned to the ground.
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Some of my worst memories are from this
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place.
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I continue to be shocked by just how
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awful this story is. The damage that was
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done to these women is incredibly
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hard to even express. This has been
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completely lifealtering for them. It's
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incredibly unfair that this was allowed
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to happen with impunity for so long.
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Luchia Osborne Crowley is [music] a
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journalist and author who has long
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covered the Epstein case.
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She believes the [music] significance of
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the new Epstein files can't be
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overstated.
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It's really important that we understand
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the difference between having these
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allegations swirl around and seeing that
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that people were willing to swear to
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them under penalty of perjury. It's an
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incredibly hard thing to do and they
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were all willing to do it and to swear
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to the truth of it.
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Luchia also had a front row seat when
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victims [music] testified against
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Epstein's co-conspirator, Galen Maxwell,
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when she was convicted for [music] sex
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trafficking in 2022.
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A lot of what Jeffrey Epstein got away
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with, uh, he wouldn't have been able to
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do without her helping to recruit,
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groom, and entice underage girls.
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But she wasn't just the organizer, was
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she? She was also an abuser herself.
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Yes. So, we also heard at trial um from
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multiple victims um that she was in the
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room when the abuse was happening and
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that she engaged in the abuse herself.
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But the documents [music] released by
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the court put the spotlight on the role
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played by others in Jeffrey Epstein's
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[music] inner sanctum. The most
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controversial revelation comes from
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emails sent by Sarah Ransom, who was
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abused and trafficked [music] by
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Epstein.
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Those emails claim she has seen [music]
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video recordings made by Epstein of an
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unnamed friend having sex [music] with
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Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Richard
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Branson.
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All three men vehemently refute the
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allegation. [music]
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And in the past, even Sarah has denied
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the existence of the tapes. But just two
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[music] weeks ago, she stood by her
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original claim in a Zoom call with Good
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Morning Britain. It's no secret that
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everything was recorded. I've also seen
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recordings in his office. There are
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videos that exist.
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The people that know they exist
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um I'm sure are very frightened [music]
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of them being released.
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Fear [music] may also explain the
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resounding silence from others named in
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this recent mass release of documents.
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According to thousands of pages of sworn
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statements by women abused by Epstein,
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the men now in the headlines are
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potential [music] witnesses. They place
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them at the locations where the abuse
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commonly took place.
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The vast majority um including all the
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names that we're hearing about the most.
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There are no allegations of criminality.
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Um they are just listed as potential
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witnesses. If these people are not being
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accused of any wrongdoing, why have they
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been named?
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The question is what they saw, who they
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met, what questions they asked
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themselves about why girls of that age
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would be in any of the Epstein homes.
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And if they didn't ask themselves
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questions about that, why didn't they
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ask themselves questions about that?
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The documents also shed light on the
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alleged dark motivation of Epstein's
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[music] sex trafficking to get dirt on
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some of the world's most influential
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people.
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There is for the first time the idea
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that he was quizzing the girls he sent
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to famous people for details of what
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happened for blackmail purposes.
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That has [music] always been the
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suspicion that this man had cameras
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everywhere that he kept blackmail tapes.
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That was his [music] leverage.
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So I heard about Jeffrey Epstein [music]
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sort of on the social upper east side
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grapevine
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in New York for a couple of years around
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the end of the 1990s
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and early 2000s.
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You know he was a figure of mystery
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[music] in that all people really knew
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about him was he had kind of out of
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nowhere known to be [music]
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unconventional. People thought he was
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very good-looking and the only thing
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that people really knew about him, his
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sort of connector to the outside world
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was somebody I knew. [music] It was
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Gilen Maxwell.
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With her link to English socialite
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Gillen Maxwell, Vicky Ward was the ideal
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journalist to profile Jeffrey Epstein.
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Her task in 2002 was to investigate the
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man behind the $500 million fortune.
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My then boss at Vanity Fair magazine,
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Graden Carter, phoned me up [music] and
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said, "You know, I've been hearing about
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this guy for years. Nobody knows who he
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is, where he got his money from, what
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his deal is, and that was how it all
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began."
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But what started as a business story
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quickly turned sinister.
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He liked to have parties with young
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women, but given that he was a very
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wealthy [music]
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at the time, you know, good-looking
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bachelor in his 50s, that didn't seem
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[music]
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in itself on the surface so peculiar.
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But then I [music] met this woman, Maria
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Farmer, and she told me that she had
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[music] worked for Jeffrey Epstein.
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No one immediately recognized how
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significant Maria Farmer would become in
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the Epstein story. Certainly not [music]
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the authorities when in 1996, she was
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the very first to report Jeffrey Epstein
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[music] and Glenn Maxwell to the FBI.
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Gilan came in to get me one evening.
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Gilan escorts me to Jeffrey's room and
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he's lying there and he goes, "Well,
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here, sit down." You know, and so right
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next to him and then Gilean sits on the
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other side and they began assaulting me.
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But really, while I was lying there the
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whole time, I'm thinking, "My sister's
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been around these people. My sister was
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16. She's been around them alone."
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Maria's fears were well-based. her
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younger sister [music] Annie had also
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been abused by the pedophile pair
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and it was the worst thing that's ever
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happened to me.
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But in a pattern that would be set in
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the decades ahead, Maria's complaint of
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sexual abuse against her and [music]
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Annie to police was ignored.
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They just kept it all quiet but in the
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bottom drawer and they were so
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dismissive that I just felt daunted and
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I stopped.
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For more than 25 years, Maria Farmer has
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been filling her canvas with the Epstein
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story, a tale of horror that began in
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1995 when, as a gifted [music] student
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at the New York Academy of Art, she met
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Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell.
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Epstein gave her a job to buy art for
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his New York mansion.
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As well, she became an unwitting witness
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to a steady [music] stream of teenagers
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and young women through Epstein's front
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door.
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And shockingly, she had direct evidence
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of Maxwell [music]
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scouting girls for the insatiable
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millionaire.
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What did you [music] witness?
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So several times, um, I was in the car
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with her and she would ask the driver to
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stop the car and she'd dash across to
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the school or the park or wherever she
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was going and she would like write down
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her phone number for a child, a young
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girl. And then I'd see that child at the
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house and she'd say, "They're
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auditioning. You know, I found a model
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in the park and I thought it was really
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strange because I did see a couple girls
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in braces and I've never seen a model
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with braces.
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Do you reflect on how different life
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would be for so many women today [music]
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if the FBI had investigated your
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complaints in 1996?
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Yeah,
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they Yeah, I think about it all the
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time. I do. And it hurts a lot. and I
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never had children because of it because
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[snorts] I didn't feel like they would
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be safe.
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It would be another 6 years before the
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farmer sisters would again contemplate
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speaking openly about their experiences
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[music] with Jeffrey Epstein.
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When they met with journalist Vicky Ward
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in 2002, Maria [music] and Annie were
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nervous. Did it take a lot for you to
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convince them to open up to you to
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[music] talk on the public record?
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It did. There's no question they were
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very afraid of these very powerful
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people and I felt
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that at least Vanity Fair magazine was
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also powerful by us publishing their
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allegations that would afford them
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protection.
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And so I think that we all proceeded
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under that premise and unfortunately
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that premise got exploded
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uh in the worst possible way.
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What blew it up? What happened? Well,
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what happened as this piece was going
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forward and I had to finally put all the
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allegations
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both of the business staff but and the
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farmer's allegations to Jeffrey and
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Gilen. They in their different ways went
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completely berserk.
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Epstein was instantly menacing. A man
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prepared to bully [music] and intimidate
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to save himself.
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He treated
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the entire thing as a game,
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a really dark, twisted game. He even
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said to me at the beginning, "Okay,
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let's play chess. I'll be black, you be
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white, you get the first move." And
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from there, it descended into a sort of
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horrific game of cat and mouse. He would
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phone me every day. And then he told me
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that if he didn't like
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what I was going to write, he was going
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to have his witch doctor place a curse
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on my unborn children and that that was
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off the record. Then he told me he was
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going to sue me and ruin me
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personally and I was just really
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frightened of what this [music] man
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could do.
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Yeah. So even though the threats he was
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making against you were quite
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preposterous, you took him seriously.
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Like you you you were genuinely
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frightened.
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Yeah. Because at the end of all of this,
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at the end of months of digging, meeting
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the pharmacisters,
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[snorts] there was still this question
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mark, who is this guy?
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But it only got worse when Epstein made
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a personal visit to Vickiy's boss at the
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time, the editor-inchief of Vanity Fair.
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Epstein got the result he demanded.
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Maria and Annie Farmer's allegations
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were cut from the story that went to
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print in late 202.
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So, as the journalist who had uncovered
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these allegations and convinced these
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sisters to go public, what was your
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reaction to see that your work was not
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in your article? Well, I remember
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bursting into
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tears and saying to my the direct the
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person who was directly my editor, we've
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exposed these poor women. I mean, this
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is unconscionable.
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But was it a a reflection also of an
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abuse of power? I mean, if Jeffrey
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Epstein walked into the editor-in
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chief's office,
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he wasn't there to say hello. Of course,
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2002 was was an era in which Jeffrey
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Epstein and other predators, you know,
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Harvey Weinstein were were running the
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world and women everywhere weren't
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speaking up. The idea that two men would
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have a meeting [snorts]
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after which these allegations would
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would get pulled. I mean, you know, in
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the world we live in now, that is it,
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you know, it's it's monstrous.
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Vickiy's boss, Graden Carter, denies
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being influenced or intimidated by
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Epstein. But either way, the Vanity Fair
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story didn't go anywhere near exposing
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the depths of Epstein's depravity.
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I only got the very, very, very tip of
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[music] that iceberg. I didn't get to
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the den of iniquity that we now know was
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really going on behind Jeffrey Epstein's
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closed walls in the mansion in New York
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and on his island and in [music] Palm
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Beach
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around that that mansion. [music] That's
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where this part of the sex trafficking
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ring really kind of came [music] to
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life.
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Palm Beach, Florida is home to some of
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the wealthiest people in America. An
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exclusive enclave for the rich and
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powerful, including former President
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Donald Trump.
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Jeffrey Epstein's luxurious home here
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graced the foreshore. Its white walls
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and inscrable exterior hiding a dark
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truth. a place where it's estimated more
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than a hundred girls were tricked and
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abused. Their lives changed [music] in
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an instant.
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At 14, I was still in middle school. I
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was straight A student. Never even got a
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B. I played the first chair trumpet. I
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was the captain of the cheerleading
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squad. And then after I met Jeffrey, I
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just completely quit.
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This is where you were living for a
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while.
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Yes. This is where I was living when I
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met Jeffrey Epstein.
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Epstein was 48 when [music] a teenage
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Courtney Wild entered his orbit in 2001.
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At the time, she was living in this
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trailer park, one of West Palm Beach's
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poorest communities.
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Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein
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targeted areas like this? Yeah,
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definitely targeted, you know, children
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like myself that were vulnerable to him
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and his money and um we felt like we
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were being helped and saved by him when
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ultimately he was just praying on us.
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As Courtney told me in 2019, her
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experience started when she was brought
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to the millionaire by another [music]
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14-year-old to make much needed cash.
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The trap had been set. What were you
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expecting to happen? What Why did you
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think you were coming here?
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Well, I knew that I was coming here to
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give a guy a massage and to make $200. I
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did know that. Um,
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it was never told to me that I would be
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molested by this man or anything like
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that.
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Inside, Courtney very soon discovered
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the massage was cover for a terrible,
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wellrehearsed crime. We were taken
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upstairs. It was like a circular
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stairwell that led to a hallway [music]
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that led to his bedroom which the
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massage table was in his bedroom
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bathroom. You know, he asked us to get
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comfortable to just, you know, take our
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clothes off to be in our bra and
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panties. Were you abused during that
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session?
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And so we would massage him for about 30
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minutes and then whenever he was ready,
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you know, rolled over and asked the
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person that brought me to [music] go
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downstairs and wait. And once that
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happened, then that's when the sexual
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abuse happened. Yes.
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You you're 14 and in a completely alien
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situation, an incomprehensible position.
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How did you react? I just remember
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afterwards how I felt walking down the
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stairs and I just felt so [music] dirty
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and so um like just like a piece of me
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had been taken dirty. I felt it was like
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my dirty little secret.
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Virginia Du Frey's experience was eerily
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similar, except her recruiter was not a
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fellow teen, but the sophisticated and
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seemingly trustworthy Galen Maxwell.
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Virginia was 16 and working at Donald
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Trump's Mara Lago resort when Maxwell
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spied her reading a textbook on massage.
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She just seemed very nice and she said,
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"I've got a person that I know who's
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actually looking for a traveling
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masseuse and uh if you want, I can get
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you an interview with him. If he likes
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you, we can get you educated. You'll be
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a real masseuse and you'll get to travel
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and see the world." And and you know,
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like she made it sound like it was a
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dream come true and it wasn't.
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Within hours, Virginia was at Epstein's
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Florida mansion. Lured there by
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Maxwell's promise. It ended in [music] a
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devastating sexual attack.
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So, put it this way. We did the back of
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him. We did the back of Epstein. And
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then when he turned over, um that's when
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I was instructed to
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um
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to
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[sighs and gasps]
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when I was instructed to um get
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undressed and um
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and have sex with Jeffrey Epstein while
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Gilan Maxwell was participating as well.
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You want to take a moment?
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No, I'm okay.
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[snorts]
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Okay.
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So, you were abused by both of them in
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your very first encounter.
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Yeah, with both of them. I was abused by
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Gilan and Epstein.
552
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I don't mean to sound sexist in any way,
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shape, or form, but I I expected it from
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a man, but I didn't expect it from a
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woman. And um
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yeah, I think that's what hurts the
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most.
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[snorts]
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Maxwell's role as Epstein's
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co-conspirator, for which [music] she is
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now serving a 20-year jail term, is well
562
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known. But in truth, it went well beyond
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Maxwell. The pair devised a scheme to
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feed Epstein's voracious appetite.
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They lured poverty-stricken girls in
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with cash, fanning their dreams of a
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better life. According to journalist
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Luchia Osborne Crowley, by the time the
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sexual abuse began, many were too
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invested in their promises to get out.
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This was a welloiled machine of finding
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vulnerable young girls who really needed
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someone to look after them. Um, and then
574
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also using those girls to try and entrap
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[music] younger and younger girls. And a
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lot of that, it seems, was developed in
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Florida.
578
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,400
How many girls do you think you brought
579
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to Jeffrey Epstein? [music]
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At the minimum minimum 50, but anywhere
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from 50 to 70 girls.
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And what were their ages?
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The same ages of me. Um 14, 15, 16. I
584
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just hold a lot of guilt and shame for
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doing those things. And just to know
586
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that I had any influence on that
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happening to somebody else just, you
588
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know, it really it's just devastating
589
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and breaks my heart.
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[music]
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Epstein's vile pyramid scheme might have
592
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,279
continued unchecked if not for the
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stepmother of one of his teenage victims
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who called the Palm Beach Police
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Department in 2005.
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It was an incident that occurred maybe
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like three three and a half weeks ago
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with one of my stepdaughters. Found out
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that um ended up being that they went to
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Palm Beach to a gentleman's house and
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they start off by giving this gentleman
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a massage and he pays them. If he likes
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them and he thinks that they're pretty
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enough, he keeps them around to do other
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things.
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Okay. So, I was I wasn't quite sure if
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there was an investigation or if you
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guys had any word.
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Well, this is the first I'm hearing of
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it. That initial call was so alarming,
611
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the police launched an investigation.
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And it didn't [music] take them long to
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uncover the revoling scale of Epstein's
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network.
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Did Jeff know anybody's real true age or
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he didn't care?
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I don't think he cared. He told me the
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younger.
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He asked me to take my shirt off, so I
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took my shirt off.
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Okay. So, were you in brown or were you
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topless?
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I Yeah, I ended up being topless. Yeah.
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And he start getting a little excited
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about it and he start touching himself
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during the massage. Did he ask you to to
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remove your pants or
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Yeah.
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Police interviewed a staggering 40
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victims whose ages ranged from 13 to 16.
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Their accounts were shocking enough,
632
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but what they found in Epstein's home
633
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,240
was a creepy insight into his depraved
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life, dozens of nude photos, a steam
635
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room, and a massage room with sex toys.
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Among the damning evidence were phone
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message pads clearly showing a trade in
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young girls scheduling them for massage
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appointments and flight logs listing
640
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girls being transported aboard Jeffrey's
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00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:11,760
private plane dubbed the Lolita Express.
642
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I think it's really important to know
643
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that is it is actually much much worse
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than we think.
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In 2006, much to the relief of police,
646
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this predator was finally caught. A
647
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wealth of evidence amassed against him.
648
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But his own vast wealth and his [music]
649
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immense influence saw him escape charges
650
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that should have landed him in jail for
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life. Instead, [music] he served a mere
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13 months when prosecutors accepted his
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guilty plea to the minor charge of
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soliciting a child for prostitution.
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But while he was technically an inmate
656
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at the Palm Beach County stockade, he
657
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really just slept there.
658
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It was essentially a slap on the wrist.
659
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He got 12-hour work released from prison
660
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every single day. Other journalists have
661
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described it as he just basically had to
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sleep in a crappy motel for, you know, a
663
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bit over a year.
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For many, the most outrageous part of
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Epstein's plea bargain was a seedy deal
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he struck with the attorney general for
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the Southern District of Florida.
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It gave Epstein and any alleged
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co-conspirators known or unknown
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immunity from further prosecution
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supposedly forever.
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Worse still, none of his victims were
673
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told about the deal. How do you feel
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about that? to be sexually abused by a
675
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man and have the government know and
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then actually, you know, co-conspire
677
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with the perpetrator to make sure
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nothing happens with to him is just so
679
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it just sounds unreal.
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Why do you think the government did
681
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that?
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My personal opinion about that is, you
683
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,240
know, [sighs and gasps]
684
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money, power,
685
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and I think that there was a lot of
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people involved in this, this underage
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minor sex ring that they were running,
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and I think everybody wanted it to go
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away.
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So, you believe that there was a
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conspiracy at play here?
692
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Oh, absolutely.
693
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It really is a sorted story. Everything
694
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that happened in Florida and the fact
695
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that he authorities did know, did arrest
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him, did charge [music] him, and he
697
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still was able to continue.
698
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And according to Virginia Dufrey, the
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abuse didn't stop with Jeffrey Epstein
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and Glenn Maxwell. She was [music] not
701
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just their sexual play thing. She was
702
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now part of their international sex
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trafficking ring, lent out to whomever
704
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they liked. I was traffic [music] to
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other billionaires. I was traffic to um
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politicians, uh professors,
707
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even royalty. It was it was the [music]
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elite of the world. It was the people
709
00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:03,200
who run the world. It was the most
710
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powerful people in the world.
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00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Gilen was this sort of very exotic,
712
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,080
glamorous figure who would drop in and
713
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to be honest name drop a lot of famous
714
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names that she'd been hanging out with.
715
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We heard about Bill Clinton and sort of
716
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all sorts of other people. And we also
717
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knew that she was very good friends with
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Prince Andrew and that Jeffrey Epstein
719
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440
would sometimes have Prince Andrew to
720
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,120
stay.
721
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As a British expat in New York,
722
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
journalist Vicky Ward moved in similar
723
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,120
circles to socialite Gen Maxwell, the
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daughter of disgraced mega rich media
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tycoon Robert Maxwell.
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Following her father's suspicious death
727
00:32:03,102 --> 00:32:06,320
[music] aboard his boat in 1991, Galen
728
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880
moved to New York where she started her
729
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640
relationship with the millionaire
730
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,960
Jeffrey Epstein.
731
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In 2002, Vicki was assigned to write a
732
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,960
profile of the mysterious financia for
733
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Vanity Fair magazine.
734
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When I began reporting this piece, I
735
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actually ran into
736
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Gilen Maxwell. And I sort of said
737
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
breezily, "Oh, Gen, yes, I'm writing
738
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,360
this story about Jeffrey and the money."
739
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,200
And I was really taken aback when she
740
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,919
started to cry.
741
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:44,480
like, why is this woman crying? This
742
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doesn't seem to make
743
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,120
any sense. Well, I didn't obviously I I
744
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,679
didn't know that I was from her
745
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,600
perspective probably in danger of
746
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pulling back the curtain on what was an
747
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:58,799
absolutely horrific criminal sexual
748
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,397
enterprise involving both of them.
749
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[music]
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Epstein and Maxwell complimented each
751
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,159
other perfectly. He had the money she
752
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:10,640
was used to. She had the contacts he
753
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,120
wanted. The most high-profile, of
754
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course, being Prince Andrew, who is
755
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,480
famously accused of abusing the then
756
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17-year-old Virginia Du Frry at Epstein
757
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,559
and Maxwell's invitation.
758
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:28,159
We went to Club and he danced with
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me and and he sweats a lot and he smells
760
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funny. Um,
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and then and then we get in the car and
762
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,519
um, Gilen tells me in the car that I
763
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have to do
764
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what I do for Jeffrey for Prince Andrew.
765
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,240
And that's when I learned what was going
766
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to happen.
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00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,640
There's a slight problem with with with
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with the sweating um because
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it was a claim and counter claim that
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turned this royal's life upside down.
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His ill-advised decision to appear on
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the BBC in 2019 left him, if not
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00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,200
sweating, then red-faced. His attempt to
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00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,119
convince us he knew nothing of the
775
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,079
teenage Virginia fell flat when this
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00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,159
photo taken in 2001 in Maxwell's London
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apartment resurfaced.
778
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,040
She provided a photo of the two of you
779
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,520
together.
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00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,079
Yes.
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00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:26,480
How do you explain that? I can't
782
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because I don't I have no again I have
783
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,280
absolutely no memory of that photograph
784
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ever being taken.
785
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,399
Your friend suggested that the photo is
786
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fake.
787
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I think it's from the investigations
788
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that we've done, you can't prove whether
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or not that photograph is uh faked or
790
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not because it is a photograph of a
791
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photograph of a photograph. So, it's
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very difficult to be able to to um to to
793
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,919
prove it, but
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I don't remember that photograph ever
795
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being taken.
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00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,240
So, as you know, Prince Andrew denies
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the allegations against him. And he says
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that this photo is a fake, that he was
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never there, and that he's not his arm
800
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and they're not his fingers.
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00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,040
Those are his fingers. That is Andrew.
802
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520
This photo has been verified as an
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00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,160
original and it's been since given to
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the FBI and they've never contested that
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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,520
it's a fake. And I know it's real and he
806
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,359
needs to stop with all these lame
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00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:25,040
excuses. We're sick of hearing it.
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00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,560
This is a real photo.
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00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,079
And that was the first time you met him.
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00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:29,359
And that's the very first time I met
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him. And that's right before I was
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abused by him.
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How many times were you trafficked to
814
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him?
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Three times.
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Her allegations against Prince Andrew
817
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,560
are laid bare in the newly unsealed
818
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court documents. The disgraced royal is
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mentioned 69 times and [music] not just
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00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,320
by Virginia. Johanna Shoberg, who was 21
821
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at the time, [music] claims to have had
822
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her own traumatic experience with Prince
823
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,839
Andrew, and she says [music] she saw the
824
00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:02,400
prince and Virginia together at the
825
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Epstein mansion in New York.
826
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,839
According to British-based Australian
827
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:10,880
author Luchia [music] Osborne Crowley,
828
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her account given under oath is damning
829
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,800
of the prince.
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We also have an allegation from a
831
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960
separate victim, Johanna, who has said
832
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,400
that she was groped [music] by Prince
833
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,280
Andrew. So that's incredibly significant
834
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,000
because we have sworn testimony from a
835
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,280
second person corroborating that he did
836
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,800
engage in illegal acts relating to to
837
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,760
minors.
838
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,000
Do you expect Prince Andrew to be under
839
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,320
further legal scrutiny? I think that
840
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,359
certainly Prince Andrew will be facing
841
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,240
many many many more questions given what
842
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,760
we've learned in these new uh documents
843
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,079
and it's really important I think for
844
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,480
the authorities to look at the fact that
845
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,119
there is a second person who's alleging
846
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,240
that he broke the law and whether they
847
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,040
need to speak to those victims and other
848
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,280
potential victims to see if there is
849
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,520
anything that they can or should be
850
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,800
charging him with.
851
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160
I wonder if you have any sense now of
852
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,920
guilt, regret or shame about any of your
853
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,200
behavior and your friendship with
854
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,079
Epstein.
855
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,920
As far as uh my um association with him
856
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,160
was concerned, it had um uh some
857
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,400
seriously beneficial
858
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,920
um outcomes in areas that have nothing
859
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,320
or have nothing to do with with with
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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,440
what I would describe as what we're
861
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,200
talking about today.
862
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,119
Prince Andrew has since found [music]
863
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,839
regret, but continues to deny all the
864
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:46,720
allegations leveled at him. He settled
865
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,720
with Virginia Du Fray on the eve of
866
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,680
their civil trial in 2022,
867
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,079
reportedly for more than $15 million.
868
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,400
In settling with her, the prince likely
869
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,640
thought the saga was over, but the
870
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,720
release of these latest documents once
871
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,839
again raises questions for him and many
872
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,960
other Epstein associates.
873
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,880
Those are very, very wealthy, powerful
874
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,640
people and so far they've escaped
875
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,240
without many questions being asked of
876
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,240
them.
877
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,400
Billionaire financier [music] Jeffrey
878
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,839
Epstein has been arrested,
879
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:23,920
charged with sex trafficking involving
880
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,960
underage girls.
881
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,280
He could face up to 45 years behind
882
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,880
bars.
883
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,280
It was a prized catch. In 2019, the roar
884
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,280
around Jeffrey Epstein's [music] sex
885
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,079
trafficking ring was so loud, police
886
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:41,359
were forced to act. Neatly befitting the
887
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,839
lifestyle of a jet setting millionaire,
888
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:45,599
Epstein [music] was nabbed on his
889
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,240
private plane as he landed back in the
890
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,000
US from Paris. For his most outspoken
891
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,880
victim, Virginia Duy, his arrest [music]
892
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,599
was a gift more than 20 years in the
893
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:58,480
making.
894
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,000
I never thought it was going to happen.
895
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
I honestly thought he was just going to
896
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,119
continue to get away with it over and
897
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,119
over and over again just like he proved
898
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,160
so many times. Um,
899
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,640
so yeah, it was it was like Christmas in
900
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,480
July
901
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,480
big time.
902
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,717
But the expectation that Epstein would
903
00:39:16,717 --> 00:39:18,880
[music] finally face his crimes was
904
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,359
dashed when he was found dead by suicide
905
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,160
in his jail cell a month later.
906
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,160
Disgrace finance here Jeffrey Epstein
907
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,480
has taken his own life. The bombshell
908
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,119
development raising many new questions.
909
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,520
With Epstein dead, the charges against
910
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,400
him were dismissed, denying justice to
911
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,640
his many victims. And his
912
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,599
co-conspirator, British socialite Gen
913
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,400
Maxwell, became the most wanted woman in
914
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,320
the world as she went on the run.
915
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,720
So the idea that this woman could be
916
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,720
involved in something as depraved and
917
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,320
horrific as this, that was mindboggling.
918
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,920
As journalist Vicky Ward and the rest of
919
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,480
the world watched on in fascination,
920
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Galen was tracked down to a luxurious
921
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,680
New Hampshire hideway after eluding
922
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,560
police for a year. Today we announced
923
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,000
the arrest of one of the villains in
924
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,599
this investigation.
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00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,880
This day to me has been like one of the
926
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,720
best days of my life. I have not stopped
927
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,760
smiling and crying, happy tears, and I'm
928
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,119
just Yeah, I I'm elated to know that
929
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,200
she's where she belongs. [music]
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00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,599
Immediately upon Maxwell's arrest,
931
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,839
Virginia spoke for all the victims of
932
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,320
the [music] sex trafficking ring.
933
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,760
She ruined so many lives. She belongs in
934
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,160
jail. You want to hurt kids, that's
935
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,520
where you [music] go.
936
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,359
In 2022, Maxwell was convicted on five
937
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:53,839
sex trafficking counts. The then
938
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:56,720
60-year-old sentenced to 20 years in
939
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,480
jail.
940
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,560
She has lodged an appeal which will be
941
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,119
reviewed in March and continues to claim
942
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,920
her innocence from jail as she told her
943
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,000
brother Kevin Maxwell.
944
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,920
Everyone was always asking who is the
945
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,920
real G? Who's the real Gilen? It's
946
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,400
definitely not the person portraying it.
947
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,280
I feel completely divorced from the
948
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,520
person that
949
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,240
people reference and talk about.
950
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,000
And is that the biggest misconception of
951
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,040
you?
952
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,240
That I'm the crulest, meanest,
953
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,800
horriblest person who's done committed
954
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,079
crimes.
955
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,640
Yeah.
956
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:42,000
And I mean I I I literally haven't seen
957
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,119
any details that are accurate.
958
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,720
Luchia [music] Osborne Crowley was one
959
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,200
of the few journalists granted access to
960
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,040
the court to report on Maxwell's trial.
961
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,119
It was surprising that even at her own
962
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:00,960
federal sex trafficking trial, she
963
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,760
didn't appear to have a lot of humility
964
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,119
and still was incredibly confident. And
965
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,839
I certainly got the sense that she did
966
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,760
not expect to be convicted.
967
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,839
And certainly no remorse.
968
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,800
Certainly no remorse. She basically said
969
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,160
that she was sorry for the damage that
970
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,839
Jeffrey Epstein had caused them. And
971
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:21,920
that's all she said. [music] With
972
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Maxwell behind bars and Epstein dead,
973
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,599
this case appeared to be resolved. But
974
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:28,880
the recent [music] release of these
975
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,760
court documents shows how little we
976
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,040
still know.
977
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,760
There are so many names that we are left
978
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,000
with question marks about. What was his
979
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,920
appeal? Why did some of the most
980
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,354
powerful men in the world [music]
981
00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:46,720
[snorts] flock to him? What was Bill
982
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,079
Gates doing around [music] Jeffrey
983
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,760
Epste? I'd love to hear from Bill
984
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,720
Clinton what he saw in Jeffrey Epstein.
985
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,480
That would be great to know.
986
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,520
In all, more than 150 [music] names have
987
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,200
been linked to the disgraced
988
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,920
millionaire. But apart from some denials
989
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
of any wrongdoing, the silence from
990
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:09,280
those identified has been deafening.
991
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
We've got evidence of sworn testimony
992
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,920
where people are naming very, very
993
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,000
powerful people who would have been in a
994
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,079
position potentially to do something
995
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:19,920
about what was going on here. uh and
996
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,520
instead we had a sex trafficking ring
997
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,760
that went on for at least two decades,
998
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,920
possibly three with almost complete
999
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,960
impunity. And so that's the point that I
1000
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,800
think we really all need to hold on to
1001
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,319
about scale here is that not the
1002
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:36,240
splashiness of these names, but just how
1003
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,079
many there are, just how many people
1004
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,880
there are that victims pointed to to
1005
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,560
say, "This person can corroborate my
1006
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480
story. This person can be a witness.
1007
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
This person met me on the island. This
1008
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,119
person saw me." And those are very, very
1009
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:50,960
wealthy, powerful people. And so far,
1010
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,960
they've uh escaped without many
1011
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,480
questions being asked of them.
1012
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,160
We'd have to assume that they're just
1013
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,240
running from this as far and as fast as
1014
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,160
they can. [snorts]
1015
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,800
Yes. Well, it I mean, I've I've been
1016
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,839
quite surprised at the silence over the
1017
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:08,000
last couple of weeks, if I'm completely
1018
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,319
honest. I I would have thought that at
1019
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:12,000
least some of these people would have
1020
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,400
felt an obligation to to do some
1021
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,359
explaining. At the very least,
1022
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,079
association with Jeffrey Epstein raises
1023
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,040
questions of judgment, right? Nobody
1024
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
looks good for having hung out with
1025
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Jeffrey Epstein now knowing everything
1026
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,680
that we know. Whether or not they should
1027
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,520
be held accountable as to whether or not
1028
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,520
there was any criminal activity. And
1029
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,599
obviously, we just don't know. We I do
1030
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:39,119
one has to hope that because
1031
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,960
we now know so much more that there is
1032
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,440
so much public scrutiny
1033
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,440
on this that the wheels of justice will
1034
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,200
turn in a way that they definitely
1035
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,880
didn't for a very long time.
1036
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,800
The legacy of Jeffrey [music] Epstein
1037
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,520
and Glenn Maxwell is to expose a
1038
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,440
darkness too awful to imagine. But as
1039
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,839
difficult as it is to comprehend, it
1040
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,160
would seem there's even more to be
1041
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,359
revealed.
1042
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,200
Certainly from what I know that there
1043
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,280
are more people who aren't even on this
1044
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,240
list that either knew or potentially
1045
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,480
participated in what was going on around
1046
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Jeffrey Epstein.
1047
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,200
Do you expect that others will be
1048
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
charged that others will face
1049
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,160
prosecution?
1050
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,040
I very much
1051
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,119
hope so. I think it's really important
1052
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,640
to know it is actually much much worse
1053
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,560
than we think and and that we're
1054
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,119
comfortable accepting.
1055
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,480
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