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Oh, 4 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:15,920 and oh, when I woke up, the whole house 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,520 was in smoke. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,600 >> A man accused. 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,000 >> He was guilty. 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,119 He really set that fire and killed those 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,960 kids. 10 00:00:23,119 --> 00:00:26,720 >> An execution. 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,800 >> It's really a shame we couldn't put him 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,960 to death three times since he took three 13 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,920 lives. 14 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,920 and a question of guilt. 15 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:43,120 >> There is not one iota of evidence that 16 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:46,000 the fire was arson. 17 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,719 >> That sparked a national debate. The 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,120 state of Texas executed a man for a 19 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:54,800 crime that they couldn't prove was 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:58,600 really a crime. Tonight on Front Line, 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,600 death by fire. 22 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:22,960 It's small town America. It's football 23 00:01:20,479 --> 00:01:25,360 games on Friday nights. 24 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:28,159 >> Everybody gets along. Everybody knows 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:33,799 everybody. 26 00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:33,799 This is a a nice country community. 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,960 >> Corsacana is a wonderful place to live, 28 00:01:35,759 --> 00:01:42,159 but every town has their bad people in 29 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:43,920 it and bad things happen in every town. 30 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:46,920 So, we're no different than anybody 31 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,920 else. 32 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:57,040 It was the 23rd of December. The Prices 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,920 Right was on. And that's what I was 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,680 watching. 35 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Two or three of the girls went out on 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,759 the back patio and come running in the 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:11,039 house and and said, "Mama, I think 38 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:14,640 Sheila's house is on fire." 39 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:18,720 I run to the front and out the door and 40 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:21,280 that's when I seen Todd at his front 41 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,360 door and he started screaming, "My 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,200 babies. Oh, my babies. My babies are 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,160 burning." 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Their neighbor, 23-year-old Cameron Todd 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Willingham, was in the house with his 46 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,760 three children when the fire started. 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,680 >> The call came across the scanner. There 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,760 was a a house fire with possibly people 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,720 trapped in it. 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:49,840 >> I remember my mom screaming, "Go back 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:51,519 in. Go go go try to get the babies." 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,640 >> And I grabbed him. I said, "Is there 53 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:56,560 anybody in the house?" He said, "Yes, my 54 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:58,720 my twins are in that room right there." 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Well, I went in the front door and I 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,879 went to the left and that's as far as I 57 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,879 could get. It was completely engulfed in 58 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:05,879 fire. 59 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:12,400 I pulled up on the scene. U got out 60 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:15,040 immediately started stretching the fire 61 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,840 line and I made entry into the house 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,840 through the front windows u knocking the 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,760 fire down as I went. 64 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:25,440 >> The first fire came out. when he was 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:28,080 cradling a small child uh in his arms. 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:31,680 He began to drop to one knee and as he 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,720 began to drop to one knee uh the little 68 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:38,080 girl's arm just just fell fell limp 69 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:41,760 right at her side. U just you know just 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,760 like a little ragd doll. 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,319 I went back to the fire room looking for 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,560 the children at that time. Chief Fog was 73 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:52,560 in there and he had already located the 74 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,560 children but they were both dead. 75 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,680 Firefighters tried to save 2-year-old 76 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,879 Amber, but she died shortly after 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:04,080 reaching the hospital. 78 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:08,239 All three children, Amber, Carmen, and 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:10,319 Cameron, were dead. 80 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:12,000 Their mother, Stacy, was Christmas 81 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:14,799 shopping at a thrift store when the 82 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,799 police told her. 83 00:04:14,799 --> 00:04:19,040 >> In the blackened ugliness, there are 84 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:21,440 remnants of a fire. There are remnants 85 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,520 of Christmas as well. A melted Christmas 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,000 tree with a few ornaments. A teddy bear 87 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,840 still waiting for Christmas morning. And 88 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,960 there are two parents who want this 89 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:31,600 Christmas to go away. 90 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,199 >> My little girl was crying. Daddy, daddy. 91 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Oh, when I woke up, the whole house was 92 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:40,280 in smoke. 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,280 >> Todd Willingham was virtually unharmed. 94 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,880 >> He did have some minor burns on on his 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,880 shoulder and his hair was singed. 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,800 To me, it just was not that the injuries 97 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,120 were not consistent of being in a 98 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,360 burning house that was so supposedly 99 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:59,479 burning so bad that that he had to get 100 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,479 out and couldn't find his kids. 101 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,880 >> Around town in Corsacana, Texas, 102 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Willingham's lack of serious injuries 103 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,520 and a night of partying after the fire 104 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,680 fueled rumors. 105 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,720 Immediately after the children were 106 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:18,479 killed in the fire, he was seen at uh a 107 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,759 local bar essentially uh exhibiting 108 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:21,440 behavior that was completely 109 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:24,919 inconsistent with a person who had lost 110 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,919 his three children. 111 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,960 When the Willingham children died, 112 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,360 several of us thought it would be a good 113 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,840 idea if we did a benefit uh dart 114 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,039 tournament to raise funds to help with 115 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:39,199 their burial. Todd and Stacy Willingham 116 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:40,960 showed up the night that we had the 117 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,680 tournament. 118 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Todd got too involved 119 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,080 in the fun. 120 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,479 >> He was heard to brag to others that he 121 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,080 wouldn't have anything to worry about 122 00:05:52,479 --> 00:05:56,479 now because the money would start 123 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,720 rolling in uh because people would feel 124 00:05:56,479 --> 00:06:00,560 sorry for him. 125 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,880 >> He showed a great interest in a in a new 126 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,280 pair of darts. That really kind of 127 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,479 shocked me. I thought, well, here, you 128 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,160 know, I'm really not going to let you 129 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:11,120 give me back the money that I just gave 130 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,479 you for a new pair of darts. So, I just 131 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:17,840 gave them to him so that he wouldn't 132 00:06:14,479 --> 00:06:21,639 lose the money that I wanted him to 133 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,639 spend on those funerals. 134 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:33,280 >> The police launched an investigation. 135 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:36,240 Todd Willingham was the primary suspect. 136 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:38,160 You got to count his actions before and 137 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,440 after. You got to count his actions 138 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,919 during the fire and things like that. 139 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,319 That makes the whole story, not just one 140 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:49,440 little segment of it. It's it's every 141 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:50,960 bit of the story. 142 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,120 >> The police had been to Willingham's 143 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,759 house before. 144 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,800 >> We'd been over to Todd's house where he 145 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:02,240 had uh got physical with his wife Stacy 146 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:06,400 on a couple occasions. 147 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:10,479 He was a very mean man. 148 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:13,360 He beat on uh Stacy all the time. 149 00:07:10,479 --> 00:07:16,680 I mean, you know, I mean, this was like 150 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,680 every day. 151 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:22,000 They could hear the impact of him 152 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:25,440 hitting his wife and his wife hitting 153 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,280 the floor, his statements to her that 154 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,120 were could be overheard throughout the 155 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,440 neighborhood. Don't get up, or 156 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:35,199 I'll hit you again. 157 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,919 I figured he would kill Stacy. You know, 158 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,840 that's how bad it was. You know, 159 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:43,280 something terrible is going to happen. 160 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,360 He will eventually kill her. 161 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,599 Witnesses who had been at the fire also 162 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,560 told police that Willingham did nothing 163 00:07:47,599 --> 00:07:53,199 to rescue his children. 164 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,280 >> Once he got outside, I cannot find 165 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:58,400 anybody who actually said he made an 166 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:02,080 attempt to get back in to save his kids. 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:04,080 He didn't try to go back in. Not one 168 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,840 time. 169 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:10,240 >> He wasn't attempting to go back in. 170 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,840 He wasn't 171 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:16,560 attempting to do anything. 172 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,720 Putting that whole picture together made 173 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,639 me believe that he was guilty of 174 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,720 homicide, that he killed his three 175 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:25,440 little girls. 176 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,400 And my job was to find how them little 177 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:31,440 girls died. And if it is an act, a 178 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,680 criminal act, it's my job to to build a 179 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,680 case so he can be prosecuted for his 180 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,680 act. 181 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:45,159 >> As soon as the fire was out, the search 182 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,159 for the cause of the blaze began. 183 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:50,800 >> 1213 184 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,760 West 11. I'm Doug Fog, assistant fire 185 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:56,160 chief. This will be the interior. 186 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Investigators came to believe that this 187 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,880 was a crime scene. 188 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,040 >> You start by eliminating accidental 189 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,959 causes. 190 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,760 We go back toward the breaker boxes. We 191 00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:11,640 see our wiring again. 192 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,640 No evidence of shortening. 193 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,440 When you get through with your 194 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,760 accidental causes, 195 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,760 what's left? 196 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,519 They figured the fire had started on the 197 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,880 floor. 198 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:26,240 They were looking for evidence that 199 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,640 something flammable might have been 200 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,640 poured there. 201 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:40,560 >> Unusual to a normal fire burn 202 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:43,519 in the kids children's room there. There 203 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:46,640 were uh signs of what we thought was an 204 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,640 accelerant poured on the floor. Usually 205 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,959 accelerants will leak through the cracks 206 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,120 of the floors and burn underneath and 207 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:55,040 fire burns up. 208 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,640 >> Then at the door to the porch, 209 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,120 investigators found what they were 210 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,200 looking for. 211 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,720 >> There was an unusual burn pattern on the 212 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,959 aluminum threshold plate which indicates 213 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,279 that something had been introduced, 214 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:12,240 poured down, leaked through. We took a 215 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:14,959 sample of that and that came back uh as 216 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,959 a positive sample for charcoal lighter 217 00:10:14,959 --> 00:10:19,440 fluid. 218 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:22,920 And I'm thinking that's the first time I 219 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,920 called it arson. 220 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:29,279 >> The official state report on the fire 221 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:33,440 listed 20 indicators of arson. 222 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:36,240 Investigators were now convinced. 223 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,920 This concludes this tape 224 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:43,240 of 1213 225 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,240 West 11. 226 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,000 The police called in Todd Willingham. 227 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,320 My dad told him to go down there and 228 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,320 give a statement. 229 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:59,839 And when he went and give a statement, 230 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,920 he talks too much. 231 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:04,160 And 232 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:08,640 I don't know what all he said, but 233 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:10,880 whatever he said that started it. 234 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,120 Just his whole demeanor 235 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,120 to me 236 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,120 looked like it he just wanted to tell a 237 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,800 story. 238 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,040 More like it was more like he was 239 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,640 bragging about it than, you know, being 240 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,360 remorseful. 241 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,200 He was more like he was proud of his 242 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,079 actions that he claimed he tried to do 243 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:33,200 to save his kids and stuff. 244 00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:36,720 Willingham said he heard the oldest one 245 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,600 calling daddy and went into the bedroom 246 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,920 and crawled around on the floor because 247 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,560 the smoke was so thick and stuff looking 248 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,240 for the the babies, but he was unable to 249 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:48,640 find them. 250 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,240 >> But Officer Hensley wasn't buying the 251 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,720 story. 252 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,959 After a while in this business, you you 253 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,680 get to to judge people by their actions 254 00:11:54,959 --> 00:12:00,000 and their looks, you know, and you're 255 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:02,240 not 100% right, but usually it's it's a 256 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,880 good thing to go on. 257 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,120 Just looking at his eyes, 258 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,440 I didn't see any type of remorse or 259 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,440 sympathy in him. 260 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,240 >> And Willingham's story didn't seem to 261 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,720 square up with his lack of injuries. He 262 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:20,240 was barefoot when he come out and he had 263 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:23,760 no uh burns on his feet, but we could 264 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,200 see where there was burns in the hallway 265 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,600 and we can't figure out how he got out 266 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,320 without burning his feet. 267 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,240 >> Detectives pushed Willingham to confess. 268 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,920 They even used pictures of his dead 269 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,839 children. 270 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,680 >> Todd didn't show any remorse through the 271 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:44,279 interview until I actually showed him 272 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:44,279 the pictures of his children. 273 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,920 And at that time he started crying. 274 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:53,760 You know, I don't think he was sad so 275 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:56,480 much that he killed the kids as much as 276 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,200 that it's coming to light that, you 277 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,839 know, he's a suspect in it. 278 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:05,800 They charged him with murder. Bail was 279 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:05,800 set at a million dollars. 280 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:14,760 They offered him a deal. confess and 281 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,760 avoid the death penalty. 282 00:13:14,959 --> 00:13:20,720 His courtappointed attorney, David 283 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:25,040 Martin, urged him to take the plea. 284 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:27,519 If all the evidence is overwhelming that 285 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:31,040 the person is guilty of the crime 286 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:34,240 charged and the chances of introducing 287 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,760 reasonable doubt are slim to none in 288 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,240 your professional opinion. Of course, 289 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,959 you'd rather have him accept a life 290 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:43,600 sentence and save his life. 291 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:46,320 >> Despite the pressure, Willingham refused 292 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,160 to plead guilty. He'd take his chances 293 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,279 in front of a jury. 294 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:54,279 >> He wouldn't plead guilty. He was very 295 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,279 adamant. 296 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:59,440 He said they could kill him right then 297 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:01,360 and there. 298 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,680 >> The case went to trial in August of 299 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,920 1992 300 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:08,800 The prosecution began with a surprising 301 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,199 witness, 302 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,680 >> a jailhouse informant. 303 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:16,160 >> There was the testimony of Johnny Webb, 304 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:18,240 who had been incarcerated at the same 305 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:21,120 time as Willingham, and who testified 306 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,040 that Willingham had confessed. And he 307 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,279 said, "Well, you know, I can't deal with 308 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,320 what I've done." 309 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:28,160 And I said, "What are you talking 310 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,480 about?" 311 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,639 And that's when he confessed to what he 312 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,480 had done. 313 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:36,000 And Webb told prosecutors something 314 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,360 else. 315 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:42,000 >> Willingham admitted to him that he 316 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,839 spread the accelerant on the floor in 317 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,760 the children's room in sort of a 318 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:50,720 pentagram or a star-shaped pattern. 319 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,600 >> A pentagram. To the prosecutor, it was a 320 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,920 symbol for Satan worship. And he offered 321 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,160 posters found in Willingham's room as 322 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:01,760 proof. 323 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,959 It was a poster of an iron bar being 324 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:08,720 driven through a person's head and there 325 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:14,680 was some indication that 326 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:14,680 it was some sort of a Satanist image. 327 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,440 >> And prosecutors called Willingham's wife 328 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,240 Stacy who reluctantly testified about 329 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:25,360 the abuse. 330 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,920 Stacy admitted that he he abused her and 331 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,760 beat on her and she stayed hoping that 332 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,320 it would it would change, but it never 333 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,839 did. 334 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,639 You got three little girls lives 335 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:38,639 involved. They showed these kids to the 336 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:41,519 jury 337 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:44,560 and you hear his past. 338 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:48,399 You see that and the judge tells them to 339 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:51,120 do what they need to be doing. 340 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,720 I mean, I don't know how more how much 341 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,959 more you could stack it against him. Do 342 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,320 you? 343 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:58,800 >> There's plenty of people walking around 344 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,800 in Corsana, Texas, that if that happened 345 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,160 to them today, they would get the 346 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,920 benefit of the doubt because they had 347 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,560 treated their family in a respectful 348 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,880 manner and taken care of them. Okay. 349 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:12,720 Todd Willingham had not treated his 350 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:15,279 family in a respected manner and he 351 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:19,279 didn't get the benefit of the doubt that 352 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,279 some people would have. 353 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,360 The trial lasted three days. 354 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,240 It only took an hour for the jury to 355 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,000 find Willingham guilty. He was sentenced 356 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,639 to death. 357 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:35,440 >> You know, I've been criticized by some 358 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:38,399 because I've said that of course I 359 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,399 thought he was guilty. Uh how stupid 360 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:42,959 would you be? How incompetent would you 361 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:46,240 be as a defense attorney if you just 362 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:48,560 went in and swallowed the story the 363 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:53,360 defendant gave you? The real fact of the 364 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:55,839 matter is that Willingham was guilty. He 365 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,160 wasn't innocent. He really set that fire 366 00:16:55,839 --> 00:17:00,320 and killed those kids. 367 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,040 >> I I feel like justice was served for 368 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:05,679 those three little girls. It was a jury 369 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,319 of 12 people of this community who 370 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:10,640 determined that with all the evidence 371 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:14,679 presented to him that he was guilty. And 372 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,679 that's the way the system works. 373 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,079 Willingham was taken to the Texas State 374 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:29,079 Prison at Huntsville to await his 375 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,079 execution. 376 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:40,880 He said the worst thing in the world uh 377 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:43,280 is to be accused of what he was accused 378 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,840 of and to be found guilty of that and 379 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,760 then have to go to death row and live 380 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,000 with that. 381 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,840 >> When he was in the on death row, they 382 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,679 would step on his heels, you know, and 383 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,320 trip him and call him baby killer and 384 00:17:53,679 --> 00:17:58,480 everything else, you know. 385 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,160 Willingham sat on death row for seven 386 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,799 years. 387 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:06,559 His appeals were going nowhere. There 388 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:10,240 was little interest in his case. 389 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:13,200 Then inmate number 999041 390 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,440 received a letter. 391 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,960 It was from 47year-old Elizabeth 392 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,520 Gilbert. 393 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:22,240 >> Someone asked me if I would like to ride 394 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:25,039 a man on death row, be a pen pal. And I 395 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,880 was like, sure. I volunteered. 396 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:28,640 I had been in a place in my life where 397 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,440 relationship had ended. My parents were 398 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,440 getting elderly. I was kind of a drift. 399 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,799 The name that was given to me just 400 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:39,760 randomly was Todd Willingham. 401 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:41,520 >> Willingham eagerly wrote back. 402 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,919 >> And I was just really struck by the 403 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,960 letter from Todd. It was very polite. It 404 00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:48,400 was very kind. 405 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,280 >> Gilbert wanted to know more about 406 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Willingham. She decided to meet him face 407 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,720 to face. 408 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,919 I walked in expecting to see a black 409 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:01,440 man, you know, the whole stereotype. And 410 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:05,120 here was this, you know, handsome young 411 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:07,760 white man who was very polite and very 412 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:10,000 genial. 413 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,760 >> Willingham told her his version of what 414 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,360 happened at the fire. 415 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:18,480 >> The story he told me was, you know, this 416 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:20,640 he woke up to a fire. you know, he ran 417 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,799 out of the house, couldn't get back in 418 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,280 to save his children. 419 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:28,240 There's a writer in me that was like, 420 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:30,880 "This is a a great story." 421 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:35,559 Gilbert decided to find out for herself 422 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,559 who Todd Willingham really was. 423 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,880 His story began in Ardmore, Oklahoma. 424 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,039 Todd's mother had several children by 425 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:53,160 different fathers and Todd had been 426 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:53,160 abandoned in California. 427 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:01,520 >> Todd's father, Jean, had remarried. His 428 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:05,360 wife, Eugina, raised Todd as her own. 429 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,679 >> We got Todd when he was 13 months old. I 430 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:10,720 thought maybe he might be anxious and 431 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:14,000 cry, but he just crawled up in my lap 432 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:17,039 and that was it. 433 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,280 He uh acted like he'd always lived 434 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:22,400 there. 435 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,320 He had a way of telling you how he felt. 436 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,720 He never came into a room. Why? He 437 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,480 didn't hug my neck. 438 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,240 >> It was a different story with Todd's 439 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,640 father. 440 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,799 >> My husband always said that I wasn't 441 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,440 hard enough on him. So that had made him 442 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:40,400 have to be doubly hard. 443 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,640 >> He's the type of guy that uh just that 444 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,720 you can't do anything right and 445 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,200 everything's wrong. 446 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:51,280 Let's say that he has a hammer there and 447 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:54,240 you borrow it and you put it back. 448 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,120 That's good, but it's not good enough if 449 00:20:54,240 --> 00:21:01,520 it's not spacing the same way. 450 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:04,320 His father was very strict and Todd knew 451 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:09,080 this, but it didn't stop him from doing 452 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,080 some things that he got in trouble for. 453 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,320 >> Todd struggled in school, 454 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,400 and Gilbert was surprised to learn that 455 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,440 by the sixth grade, he was already using 456 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,559 drugs. He liked to inhale the aerosol 457 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,480 from spray paint cans. 458 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:28,400 I think he started huffing pain when he 459 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,480 was 11 and started on drugs and 11, 460 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,400 >> you know, I'd see signs and I'd ask him 461 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,200 and he'd blame it on other kids. You 462 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,520 know, he did have a hard time finally 463 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,840 admitting to me that it was him, that he 464 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:44,080 was doing it. Yeah. And he told me that 465 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:46,480 was the the sweetest high he ever 466 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,440 experienced in his life. 467 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:53,520 >> His mind kind of stayed there. To me, 468 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,080 his his thinking ability 469 00:21:53,520 --> 00:22:00,400 always stayed 470 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:02,640 11, 12, 13 long in there. 471 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,880 >> During his trial, prosecutors claimed 472 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:08,799 that as Willingham got older, he began 473 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:11,520 to commit increasingly violent crimes. 474 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:14,240 >> He would have him a gang. 475 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,159 He would recruit younger younger kids 476 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,240 that he could intimidate and send them 477 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:20,159 out to pull the burglaries and bring the 478 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,960 loot back to him and then he would pay 479 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:25,039 them off in drugs. 480 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,840 >> And jurors heard that Willingham was a 481 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,159 violent sociopath. 482 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:34,480 >> He was an individual with essentially no 483 00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:37,280 redeeming values. This was his crowning 484 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,720 achievement as a psychopath of the 485 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,960 murder of his three children. 486 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,840 In fact, psychiatrist Dr. James 487 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,720 Griggsson testified Willingham was a 488 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,039 severe sociopath. 489 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,280 Griggsson had testified in more than 100 490 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:56,480 death penalty cases, earning the 491 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,960 nickname Dr. Death. 492 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,799 >> He's hired to come in and make sure that 493 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:04,159 they get the death penalty by assuring 494 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:06,559 the the jury that, you know, this person 495 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:10,080 would be just a 496 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:12,000 has to be removed from society. 497 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,559 Gilbert discovered that Griggsson had 498 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,559 never met Willingham. 499 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,280 But those who actually knew Todd said he 500 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,919 was hardly a violent criminal. 501 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,039 >> I I just didn't see that person. That 502 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:30,000 that's not the Todd that I knew. 503 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:32,320 Todd had been arrested for tampering 504 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,120 with an automobile. In other words, he 505 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,799 had opened the door of a vehicle and not 506 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,480 gotten any further. By the time he 507 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:40,240 opened the door, the police were already 508 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,400 on site. 509 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,600 I put him in jail, I think, on his 18th 510 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,679 birthday because he had screwed up 511 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,520 again. And I said, "I have tried to save 512 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:48,960 your ass, and now I'm going to put your 513 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,799 ass in jail. So, you can't enjoy your 514 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,480 18th birthday. You're going to go to 515 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,200 jail for the weekend or whatever it was. 516 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,000 I don't remember the details." 517 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,799 He wasn't a sociopath. He wasn't a 518 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,679 psychopath. He did stupid crap like 519 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:05,840 steal bikes. 520 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:08,159 And in Todd's teenage love of heavy 521 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,960 metal music, Gilbert found an 522 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:12,559 explanation for those satanic posters. 523 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:17,080 They were from the rock bands Led 524 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:17,080 Zeppelin and Iron Maiden. 525 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,919 >> We had posters of Iron Maiden hanging in 526 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:29,039 our house, too. My ex-husband probably 527 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:32,640 still has his Iron Maiden posters, you 528 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:34,400 know, at 40. He uh they were Iron Maiden 529 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,720 fans. 530 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,720 So what 531 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,480 >> what they looked at were posters on the 532 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,080 wall which are the typical posters that 533 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:50,159 young men listen to the heavy metal that 534 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,000 he smoked pot you know that he had this 535 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:54,159 you know horrible past of crime which 536 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,320 turned out to be shoplifting you know in 537 00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:57,320 a bicycle. 538 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:04,840 Gilbert followed Todd's trail from 539 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Oklahoma to Texas. 540 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:12,679 He'd moved to Corsacana to be with his 541 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,679 girlfriend Stacy. 542 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,880 They'd met while she was still in high 543 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,760 school and before long had three 544 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,840 children under the age of two. 545 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,679 He changed their diapers and took care 546 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,080 of them and did everything that they 547 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:30,240 needed and he made them a lot of 548 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,440 macaroni and cheese. He did a lot of 549 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,039 cooking for them. 550 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,120 >> Stacy wound up waitressing in her 551 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:39,520 brother's bar while Todd stayed home 552 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,880 with the kids. 553 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:46,720 >> I know they struggled that year trying 554 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:50,000 to take care of three babies and it was 555 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,679 very hard, you know. Uh, I can't 556 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,760 imagine. 557 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:56,640 >> I'd say to the girls, he was a real good 558 00:25:53,760 --> 00:26:00,559 dad, but as far as going out and 559 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:03,600 providing a nice home, nice job for the 560 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:06,480 family, and being a family provider like 561 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,520 you're supposed to. 562 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,120 I'd say he didn't. 563 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,640 >> Todd and Stacy's relationship 564 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:17,279 deteriorated into abuse. 565 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,360 When you have three little kids and 566 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:22,080 you're stuck in the house all the time 567 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:24,559 together and your friends are out doing 568 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,480 stuff. I think that was part of Todd and 569 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:30,799 Stacy's problem. You know, three little 570 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:33,120 kids and and you're poor 571 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,400 and you get bored and start picking at 572 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:38,640 each other. 573 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:41,279 >> I never saw Stacy with black eyes. 574 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,720 I did see Todd with bite marks on his 575 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,279 arm. 576 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,760 I know they had fights. I know they 577 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:51,200 didn't get along. I talked to both of 578 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:55,039 them about it. I really talked to Todd 579 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:58,159 about it and he said, "I, mom, I had to 580 00:26:55,039 --> 00:27:00,400 take up for myself." 581 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:03,039 >> Nevertheless, only 3 months before the 582 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,640 fire, Todd and Stacy decided to get 583 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,240 married. 584 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,559 >> He told me, he said, "I'm going to try 585 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,080 to do what's right. I'm going to try to 586 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,480 make this work, and we're going to get 587 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,120 married." and he said, "I know it's 588 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,760 going to be hard, but that's what I 589 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:20,320 should do." 590 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:24,240 >> Todd would have to change his ways. He 591 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:28,320 had a reputation as a ladies man. 592 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:31,440 >> Stacy wasn't the only girl in his life. 593 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:34,080 I'm sorry to say. Todd acted like he 594 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,919 really cared for Stacy, 595 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,159 but he acted like he cared for other 596 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:41,360 girls, too. 597 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:43,760 >> There was one woman in particular 598 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:46,240 She was an older woman that I didn't 599 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,400 approve of at all. 600 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,720 She was a neighbor 601 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,600 that lived across the street and had 602 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,240 children his age. 603 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,240 >> When he married Stacy, Todd ended the 604 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,200 relationship. 605 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:04,000 When he come and told me that he had 606 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,880 married Stacy, 607 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,440 it 608 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,320 it broke my heart because I knew I was 609 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,679 losing 610 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,720 at that time the love of my life, 611 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:23,679 my soulmate. 612 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:27,039 And but I knew why he was doing it. 613 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:30,159 And I could not ask him to walk away 614 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:33,039 from his kids 615 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:34,720 because he couldn't do it. I wouldn't do 616 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,399 that to him cuz I knew how much he loved 617 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,279 him. 618 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:44,039 >> He had other choices, 619 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:44,039 but he he chose his children. 620 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:51,200 >> After the fire, Stacy stood by Todd, 621 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,279 insisting he was innocent. 622 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,679 But when he was sent to prison, she 623 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:58,799 started a new life. 624 00:28:55,679 --> 00:29:01,279 >> After the conviction and after Todd was 625 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,960 on death row, Stacy decided to get a 626 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:07,399 divorce. 627 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,399 She didn't visit him on death row. 628 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,200 >> Elizabeth Gilbert found Stacy in 629 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,880 Corsacana. 630 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,399 >> Oh, they kept saying um that the fire 631 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,559 >> I told her I was a writer. I was from 632 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:29,360 Houston. I interviewed her. I taped her 633 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:32,799 and she was u very seemed kind of 634 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:37,000 reserved, nervous, just a person who had 635 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,000 a lot of tragedy in her life. 636 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,880 >> He used to beat me real bad. He just had 637 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,760 a temper, I guess. I mean, you and I was 638 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,799 stupid for putting up with it. But the 639 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,440 first time he ever hit me, 640 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,640 >> Todd had begged Stacy to visit him, 641 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880 >> but she refused 642 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,320 >> because I was at first I I didn't go in 643 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,080 there when they, you know, convicted 644 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,360 him. I didn't want to be in there, you 645 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,720 know. I was tired of it. We were just, 646 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,559 you know, threatening each other, 647 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,799 arguing back and forth through the riot, 648 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:08,960 and I just filed for a divorce. 649 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,960 >> Nevertheless, Stacy said she didn't 650 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,960 believe Todd was capable of killing the 651 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 children. 652 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:19,279 He he was mean to me, but I always said, 653 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,520 you know, he may beat me, he may kill 654 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,600 me, but he would never get to the kids. 655 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,840 And I always knew that, you know, they 656 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:29,840 were his kids. He never hurt the kids, 657 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:32,640 you know. I mean, but me, that was a 658 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,200 whole different story. 659 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,760 >> She really convinced me that she felt 660 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,080 that an injustice had been done. My 661 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,840 sense in the interview was like she she 662 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,760 left me with the opinion that Todd was 663 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,039 innocent, you know, because she didn't 664 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,320 feel he had done that. She didn't feel 665 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,159 he was capable of doing that. 666 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,240 Now, Gilbert wanted to sort out the 667 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:56,240 other evidence. 668 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,480 >> We went up to Austin and got the the 669 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,640 records of the trial. 670 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,360 I'm in, you know, copying these records. 671 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,440 I'm reading these reports. 672 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,200 She dug into the story of that jailhouse 673 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,320 informant. 674 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:14,240 >> A red flag to me was Johnny Webb. The 675 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:16,720 idea that a prisoner would confess to a 676 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,240 complete stranger, 677 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:24,159 you know, that he had committed a crime 678 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,000 just didn't I just didn't buy that. 679 00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:28,640 >> Webb had a reputation as a troubled 680 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,279 young man with a long history of felony 681 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,720 arrests. 682 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:36,720 We decided to use his testimony even 683 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,360 though his credibility was subject to 684 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:43,519 attack. We felt that he had no real 685 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,039 reason uh to lie about this particular 686 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,720 uh 687 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:50,559 what we'd term a jailhouse confession. 688 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,159 >> Gilbert decided to talk to Web in 689 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:55,600 person. 690 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:57,440 She found him serving 15 years. He stood 691 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,360 by his story. 692 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,760 He was a very nervous young man. 693 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,120 I wouldn't have had I been sitting, you 694 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,240 know, on the jury, I couldn't have 695 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,240 bought his testimony. 696 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,240 Later, her suspicions about Webb were 697 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,080 confirmed when he sent this letter to 698 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,559 prosecutors, 699 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,279 recanting his testimony and declaring 700 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,279 Willingham's innocence. 701 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,919 And then he changed that story, 702 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:30,480 recanting the recantation. 703 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:33,200 And now he doesn't remember any of it. 704 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,320 >> I don't remember. Maybe I did. Maybe 705 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,440 it's cuz whatever thing I was going 706 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,480 through, I told him I was going to 707 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,919 recant if uh something doesn't help me 708 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,760 because uh was trying to kill me. You 709 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:45,120 know what I'm saying? Something to put 710 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,399 some pressure on somebody to do 711 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,919 something to get me out of where I was 712 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:50,559 at. 713 00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:52,240 >> As Willingham's execution date neared, 714 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,399 there were other problems Gilbert could 715 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,240 not overcome. 716 00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:58,000 She learned Willingham had lied to 717 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,600 investigators about his attempts to 718 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,360 rescue the children. 719 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,159 >> I think the big secret that he was 720 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:07,519 carrying was the guilt. In his mind, he 721 00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:09,120 couldn't acknowledge that he didn't, you 722 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:11,600 know, try and save his children. So, he 723 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,760 concocted the story that he, you know, 724 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,000 tried to go in and find the babies and 725 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,000 couldn't. 726 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,919 >> And he said, "What I'm guilty of is 727 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,919 being a coward." 728 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:24,480 He said, "I should have died in the 729 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:27,120 house with my kids." 730 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,360 But he said, "It doesn't matter what 731 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,880 people say. 732 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,840 You can't let yourself catch on fire 733 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:38,640 without trying to get away." And you can 734 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:42,240 sit and say, "Every day, I would burn up 735 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:47,399 before I let my kids die in a fire." 736 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,399 He said, "It's not humanly possible." 737 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:53,200 And the biggest challenge remained that 738 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,799 evidence of arson. 739 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,640 Gilbert had never been able to get an 740 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:59,360 arson expert to examine the state's 741 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,760 findings. 742 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,640 And then just 3 months before the 743 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,640 execution, Gilbert was in an automobile 744 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,640 accident. 745 00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:14,320 I remember flying forward and I heard 746 00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:17,359 someone scream in the back seat and I'm 747 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,960 all by myself, but it was me screaming 748 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,879 in the back seat, but it came from 749 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,119 behind me. 750 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:25,200 I remember the doctor coming to me and 751 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:27,520 saying, "Well, it's uh confirmed your 752 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,159 neck is broken. You may be like this for 753 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,560 the rest of your life." 754 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,720 >> Paralyzed, Gilbert could no longer visit 755 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,639 Willingham. 756 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:40,079 you know, it was impossible for me to 757 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:42,399 go. I was incapable of that sort of 758 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,280 travel, you know, sitting in a chair 759 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:47,679 that long, driving to Huntsville, and it 760 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:52,520 just wouldn't have happened. 761 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,520 >> Gilbert's investigation was over. 762 00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:01,599 >> Back under the windows, 763 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,920 the low burn concrete. In the 12 years 764 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:06,720 since Willingham's conviction, one fact 765 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,480 had remained unquestioned. The fire was 766 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:14,079 an arson. 767 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,040 >> Burn patterns unusual to a normal fire 768 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,280 burn. 769 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,359 >> But during those years, there had been a 770 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,960 dramatic change in the science of arson 771 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:23,760 investigation. 772 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,200 >> The fire investigation community largely 773 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,359 consists of people who are firemen. 774 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,920 They're not scientists. 775 00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:34,560 They don't have any formal scientific 776 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,200 training. Extinguishing a fire and 777 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,200 investigating a fire involve two 778 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,520 different skill sets and two different 779 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,240 mindsets. 780 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,480 John Lentini is at the top of his field. 781 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:49,760 One of a small group who reinvented the 782 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,520 science of arson detection. 783 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,599 So many determinations were based on 784 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,680 hunches and feelings. 785 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,200 And and these guys, they talk about, oh, 786 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,320 you got to get in there and feel the 787 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,640 beast. Uh oh, it I I'm just embarrassed 788 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:07,119 for the profession that this is the way 789 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,599 people evaluate physical evidence. 790 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:12,000 >> The change in arson science began when 791 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,720 scientists set their own fires and 792 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,720 studied how they burned. 793 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,760 >> That was the first time science was ever 794 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:24,240 really introduced into the mainstream of 795 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,200 fire investigation. 796 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:30,240 >> Like Lentini, Dr. Gerald Hurst was one 797 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,960 of the new fire scientists. 798 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:35,440 >> Gerald Hurst is a chemist extraordinaire 799 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,000 with a PhD from Cambridge University. 800 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,960 >> He's the idiosyncratic godfather of 801 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,800 modern art and science. He's like this 802 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,680 mad scientist 803 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,920 who's not mad at all. 804 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,400 >> For years, Willingham's supporters had 805 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,920 tried to enlist Hurst's help. They 806 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,320 finally gave him the state's arson 807 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,079 report only weeks before the scheduled 808 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,280 execution. 809 00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:01,440 Taking a look at the photographs and 810 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,200 video and testimony and fire 811 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,599 investigation report, it became apparent 812 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,680 that we were dealing with a fire which 813 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,480 had gone to flashover. 814 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:16,839 >> Flashover, the instant ignition of all 815 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,839 combustible material in a room. 816 00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:24,000 A flashover had left natural patterns on 817 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,480 the floor that all post flashover fires 818 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,320 tend to leave behind and these had been 819 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,160 misidentified 820 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,480 as poor patterns and thus the fire had 821 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,359 been labeled an arson. 822 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:40,480 >> Hurst reviewed the report line by line. 823 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:44,000 >> All right, here's your first bit of 824 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:47,680 so-called arson evidence. This was 825 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:50,240 typically interpreted in the old days as 826 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,520 a pour pattern. In other words, someone 827 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:55,359 poured gasoline or some other accelerant 828 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,079 down the hallway out the front door and 829 00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,880 then ignited it. The prosecutor in this 830 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:03,599 case literally believed 831 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,000 that the burn patterns on the floor were 832 00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:08,400 in the shape of a pentagram, like some 833 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,720 satanic ritual. 834 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,400 When you actually look at the burn 835 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:15,280 pattern that they drew and then you look 836 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,560 at where the windows are, windows 837 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,240 furnish ventilation to a fire and all 838 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,960 they were looking at is what we call 839 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,040 ventilation patterns. 840 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,720 >> The original arson investigators had 841 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,560 testified that there was evidence of a 842 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,400 liquid accelerant on the threshold of 843 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,720 the porch door. 844 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,960 A sample of wood debris from the base of 845 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,200 the front porch was analyzed and the 846 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:41,280 results were positive for a combustible 847 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,960 liquid accelerant dash kerosene. Well, 848 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,520 that's quite understandable because the 849 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,880 porch also had a barbecue on it and of 850 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,119 course there would be charcoal lighter 851 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,920 fluid there if there was a can of 852 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:53,839 charcoal lighter fluid on the porch. 853 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,680 >> Hurst also addressed Willingham's lack 854 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:58,480 of injuries. 855 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:01,200 >> The question has been asked, 856 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,240 why were Todd Willingham's feet not 857 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,480 burned? And the answer to that question 858 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:09,839 is quite simple. 859 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:12,079 Because if no accelerant was poured on 860 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:14,960 the floor, the floor would have been 861 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:18,560 relatively cool until shortly after 862 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,320 flashover occurred in the bedroom. The 863 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,599 last part of him that would have gotten 864 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,599 any burn would have been his feet. 865 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,119 and Hurst concluded the original 866 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,000 investigators had not eliminated 867 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:34,720 accidental causes. 868 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,839 >> There had to be at least one electrical 869 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,760 short in that room. And since it was 870 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:42,400 surface wiring, it would have been 871 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,280 relative child's play to simply trace 872 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,480 it. Get a step ladder and trace it and 873 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,599 go over it inch by inch until you until 874 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,400 you locate the fault. That in and of 875 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,560 itself is enough to toss the case out 876 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,160 for arson. 877 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,800 >> Hurst had come to believe Todd 878 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,960 Willingham was not guilty. 879 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,800 >> Todd Willingham's case falls into that 880 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:11,280 category where there is not one iota of 881 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:13,359 evidence that the fire was arson. Not 882 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,599 not one iota. 883 00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:19,359 Hurst completed his report on February 884 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:21,119 13th, 2004, only 4 days before the 885 00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:23,040 scheduled execution. 886 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:25,440 >> You know, all hope was lost and we now 887 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:29,040 have the answer. Getting the news from 888 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,839 Dr. Hurst was I mean, it was it was 889 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,079 definitely a high. 890 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:36,800 >> Willingham's attorney filed a series of 891 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,960 emergency last minute appeals. I thought 892 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,000 that somebody would would at least say, 893 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,320 "Let's stop and uh you know, let's at 894 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,800 least hold on and let's take a look at 895 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,480 it." I mean, we were talking about 896 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,160 somebody that was convicted of something 897 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,920 that wasn't a crime. 898 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,839 >> While Willingham waited for the courts 899 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,200 to decide, 900 00:40:55,839 --> 00:41:01,599 he received shocking news. Stacy had 901 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,079 told reporters that she now believed he 902 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,760 had murdered their children. 903 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:11,760 She had told me that she had uh changed 904 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,280 her mind and felt that Todd was guilty. 905 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,920 >> Stacy talked to Todd's private 906 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,720 investigator, Tina Church, 907 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:23,040 >> and she had indicated that she had read 908 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:26,400 the entire trial record in one day. And 909 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:29,680 I kept trying to tell her, well, we have 910 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:33,839 new evidence. You know, how would that 911 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:36,319 make you feel to know that your former 912 00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:38,160 husband, the father of your children, is 913 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:40,400 going to be executed for something he 914 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,960 possibly didn't do? 915 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,040 And she just 916 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,800 really had convinced herself by this 917 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,800 point he was guilty. 918 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,720 >> It all started a few weeks before at a 919 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,640 contentious meeting between Todd and 920 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,880 Stacy. 921 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,839 For the first time in 12 years, she 922 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,720 visited Todd in prison. He asked her not 923 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:05,040 to come to the execution and he had one 924 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:07,760 last request. 925 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,720 He asked her if he could be buried by 926 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,000 the children and she refused. 927 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:19,119 It seems like there was just a lot of um 928 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:22,560 hate that came out in that interview. 929 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:24,480 Then only one day before the execution, 930 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,560 prosecutors filed a stunning document 931 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,599 with the courts. 932 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,400 An affidavit signed by Stacy's brother 933 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:34,560 claiming that according to Stacy, 934 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,720 Willingham had allegedly confessed 935 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:43,359 during that final meeting at the prison. 936 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:46,319 It outraged Willingham. He denied it and 937 00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:48,800 prepared to die. 938 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:51,839 He said, "Because they'll kill me and 939 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,119 I'll go to heaven with my kids because I 940 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:55,280 don't want to live this life without 941 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:57,680 them." 942 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,200 He said, "God knows. 943 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,440 God knows I didn't do this and that's 944 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,440 what matters." 945 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,920 On February 17th, the day of the 946 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,319 execution, all of Willingham's final 947 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,720 appeals failed. 948 00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:16,480 Despite the Hurst report, the Texas 949 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,680 courts and the United States Supreme 950 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,280 Court refused to delay the execution. 951 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,119 >> It was just, you know, the train had 952 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,359 left the station and nobody was going to 953 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,359 stop it. 954 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,760 >> And Texas Governor Rick Perry would not 955 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,400 use his authority to delay the execution 956 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,000 for 30 days. 957 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,480 In Texas, you do not get elected by 958 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,960 granting stays of execution 959 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,240 to people like Cameron Todd Willingham. 960 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:49,359 You do not show any kind of mercy to 961 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,760 criminals. You are hard on criminals and 962 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:57,040 that gets you elected in this state. 963 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:59,839 >> I was given the duty or task to call Mr. 964 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,000 and Mrs. Willingham. And it was one of 965 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:04,079 the most 966 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,760 really horrifying experiences that I 967 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:10,560 ever had to go through to tell a parents 968 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:15,000 that their son, even though had been 969 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,000 proven innocent, was going to die. 970 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:23,960 At 6:00, Cameron Todd Willingham was 971 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:23,960 told that his time was up. 972 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,240 when he was asked by the warden if he 973 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,480 had anything to say. Then he went into 974 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:35,440 the statement where that he said he had 975 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,599 been uh wrongly convicted and that he 976 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,599 was innocent. 977 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,440 >> At some point he looked over and into 978 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,640 the state's witness room. He noticed 979 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,800 Stacy. 980 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,079 >> She walked up to the window and he said, 981 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,319 "You bitch." 982 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,319 I believe that he felt in his heart that 983 00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:58,960 she had lied 984 00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:01,040 and her lie 985 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,040 had cost, you know, helped cost him his 986 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,040 life. 987 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,319 >> Not only did he tell his wife that he 988 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:15,000 hoped she would rot in hell, he said he 989 00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:15,000 hoped that she would rot in hell. 990 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,760 I had heard a lot of things 991 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:22,000 over covering hundreds of these 992 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,800 executions in Texas over the years. I'd 993 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,800 never run into that. 994 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,480 Then the drugs began to be administered 995 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,640 and 996 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,720 within, you know, within a few moments 997 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:37,000 he'd been he was unconscious and then a 998 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:37,000 few moments later was pronounced dead. 999 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,599 >> They told us that we could go to the 1000 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,240 funeral home. when the state turned his 1001 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:48,280 body over to the funeral home and touch 1002 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,280 him while he was still warm. 1003 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:53,000 So that's what we did. 1004 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:58,520 And after I knew it was over, I went 1005 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520 home to my kids 1006 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,480 and never been so glad to see him in my 1007 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,480 life. 1008 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:11,160 And I knew Todd was with his, 1009 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,160 you know, he finally went home to his 1010 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,599 Did the state which executes more 1011 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,000 convicts than any other kill an innocent 1012 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,000 man? 1013 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,599 >> Texas execute an innocent man. 1014 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,280 >> Explosive new charges over the execution 1015 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,119 of a man who at least half a dozen 1016 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,160 forensic experts now believe was 1017 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,960 innocent. 1018 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:31,040 >> In death, questions about Willingham's 1019 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:34,160 innocence would not go away. 1020 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,640 By 2008, the controversy had ended up in 1021 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,480 a small state agency. 1022 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,880 The Texas Forensic Science Commission 1023 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,280 was designed to go in and figure out 1024 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,640 what happened and figure out how to keep 1025 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,040 it from happening again. 1026 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,920 >> We decided that we needed to hire an 1027 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,160 expert who in the area of fire science 1028 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:56,079 to look at all of the data we could get 1029 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:58,160 pulled together and give us a report. 1030 00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:00,640 >> The commission hired fire scientist Dr. 1031 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,880 Craig Ber to investigate the Willingham 1032 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,680 case. 1033 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,160 Ber agreed with other experts that there 1034 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:11,680 was no evidence of arson. 1035 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,760 >> The biler report is point forpoint a 1036 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,480 confirmation of the the original Hurst 1037 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,200 report that all 20 of the indicators 1038 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,200 were wrong. 1039 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,720 >> To the top fire scientists in the 1040 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:27,680 country, the implications were clear. 1041 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,000 >> The state of Texas executed a man for a 1042 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,319 crime that they couldn't prove was 1043 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,280 really a crime. And the evidence says 1044 00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:37,440 this is an accidental fire. 1045 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,599 And if it was an accidental fire, it 1046 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,760 doesn't matter how many posters of Iron 1047 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:44,960 Maiden Cameron Todd Willingham had on 1048 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,280 his wall or Led Zeppelin or or whether 1049 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,000 he uh like to play darts or drink beer 1050 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:54,000 or whether he smacked his wife around. 1051 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:57,440 Um it only matters that the fire was not 1052 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,440 really a set fire. 1053 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,160 >> Texas Governor Rick Perry was running 1054 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,240 for reelection. 1055 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,880 I knew from the beginning that it could 1056 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:10,400 be controversial simply because we had a 1057 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,880 person who had been executed and uh the 1058 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,280 science used in his case might be 1059 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,599 questionable and the implications are 1060 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,240 obvious. It doesn't take long to connect 1061 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:22,160 the dots there. 1062 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,319 >> Just before the boiler report was to be 1063 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,880 presented, the governor fired the 1064 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:28,880 commission's chairman. 1065 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,640 Around 4:0 or 5:00 p.m., I received a 1066 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,319 call from Doris Scott of the governor's 1067 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,680 office. She said, "I just wanted to let 1068 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:36,319 you know that the governor thanks you 1069 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,559 for your service on the commission." 1070 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:41,720 And I said, "Okay, well, um, thank you 1071 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,720 for calling." 1072 00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:48,800 This is a guy on his on on in the in the 1073 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,160 death chamber. At his last breath, he 1074 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,960 spews an obscinity laced triad against 1075 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,440 his wife. That's the person that we're 1076 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,960 talking about here. and getting all tied 1077 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,920 up in the process here is uh frankly a a 1078 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,680 a deflection of what people across this 1079 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,359 state and this country need to be 1080 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:12,000 looking at. This was a bad man. 1081 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:13,200 >> In all, Perry fired three members of the 1082 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,440 commission, 1083 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,520 >> then installed a political ally, 1084 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,920 prosecutor John Bradley, as the new 1085 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,839 chairman. 1086 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,359 It wasn't until Rick Perry stepped in 1087 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:27,359 and replaced three members of the 1088 00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:30,800 commission and within days the story had 1089 00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:33,680 grown nationwide that that it got to be 1090 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,520 a big story. 1091 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,520 >> The new commission's investigation 1092 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,520 continues. 1093 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,079 >> Willingham's case is now at the heart of 1094 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,040 the national debate about the death 1095 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:50,640 penalty. 1096 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,480 >> Thank you for making this stay. 1097 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,720 >> Well, I think the implications for 1098 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:59,520 capital punishment are there. Um, but 1099 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:03,599 the implications for non- capital cases 1100 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:05,280 are there too. And that is if we make a 1101 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:08,800 mistake, 1102 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,640 are we going to learn from it or are we 1103 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,960 going to try to sweep it under the rug 1104 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:17,280 and act like um nothing 1105 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,119 happened? I can guarantee you we've got 1106 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,520 at least a couple of hundred people in 1107 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:24,480 prison in this state alone for 1108 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,480 accidental fires and we need to get them 1109 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,480 out. 1110 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:35,440 But in Corsacana, they made up their 1111 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:37,440 minds a long time ago. 1112 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,200 I believe that Todd Willingham got 1113 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,400 exactly what he deserved the day they 1114 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,319 put him to death. And I don't believe 1115 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:48,960 that he didn't get a fair trial in this 1116 00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:51,119 town. And I don't 1117 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,040 it's it's really a shame we couldn't put 1118 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:56,280 him to death three times since he took 1119 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,280 three lives. 1120 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,680 >> Fire burn. 1121 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:08,720 >> And the original arson investigators 1122 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:10,720 still insist Willingham set the fire. 1123 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,400 I don't care how many degrees you may 1124 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:14,160 have, how many books you may have 1125 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:18,480 written. 1126 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:23,359 Uh, this was a set fire. 1127 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:26,640 We had a jury of 12 people 1128 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:28,480 that convicted a man who was later 1129 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,720 executed. 1130 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:36,079 Was Mr. Willingham innocent? 1131 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:40,760 In my opinion, 1132 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:40,760 he was guilty as the day he was born. 1133 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,960 For more on this and other frontline 1134 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:31,960 programs, visit our website at pbs.org. 1135 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,960 work. 1136 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:45,599 Front Lines Death by Fire is available 1137 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:49,280 on DVD. 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