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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,718 --> 00:00:43,254 Hi! 2 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,688 Hey! 3 00:00:44,721 --> 00:00:47,924 You sound so sweet! 4 00:00:47,991 --> 00:00:50,194 Thank you. 5 00:00:50,827 --> 00:00:53,697 Are you nervous about talking to me? 6 00:00:53,730 --> 00:00:55,266 Yeah. 7 00:00:57,067 --> 00:00:58,269 So, you know we gotta... 8 00:00:58,302 --> 00:01:00,704 be, like, 9 00:01:00,737 --> 00:01:03,340 really careful about doing this. 10 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:04,941 Yeah. 11 00:01:04,975 --> 00:01:05,942 Yeah? 12 00:01:06,009 --> 00:01:08,044 What are you thinkin'? 13 00:01:08,779 --> 00:01:10,714 What are you thinkin'? 14 00:01:10,747 --> 00:01:11,948 I'm thinkin' I wish I was there with you 15 00:01:12,015 --> 00:01:13,350 right now. 16 00:01:16,019 --> 00:01:18,389 If I was, you'd be naked. 17 00:01:18,422 --> 00:01:20,123 Really? 18 00:01:20,191 --> 00:01:22,359 Yeah! 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,396 Would you wanna be? 20 00:01:25,429 --> 00:01:27,264 I guess so. 21 00:01:27,298 --> 00:01:30,267 Okay! 22 00:01:30,534 --> 00:01:33,136 My precious little princess. 23 00:01:34,238 --> 00:01:36,072 I like it when you call me that. 24 00:01:36,106 --> 00:01:37,774 I like calling you that. 25 00:01:39,976 --> 00:01:42,246 I've thought about you all day. 26 00:01:43,180 --> 00:01:46,783 I have to go to Walmart really quick, though. 27 00:01:46,817 --> 00:01:49,220 Get them things so I don't get you pregnant. 28 00:01:49,253 --> 00:01:50,254 Okay. 29 00:01:50,287 --> 00:01:52,155 And then, I'm gonna be on my way. 30 00:01:52,223 --> 00:01:53,757 Did you finish painting your toenails? 31 00:01:53,790 --> 00:01:55,326 Yup, they're all nice and pink. 32 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,294 - - Okay. 33 00:01:57,328 --> 00:01:59,996 I gotta go! I'll see ya in a few? 34 00:02:00,063 --> 00:02:02,132 Why are you rushing? 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,969 I don't know, I'm kinda nervous. 36 00:02:06,002 --> 00:02:08,272 Well, don't be nervous! 37 00:02:10,073 --> 00:02:12,843 I am a very lucky guy. 38 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:15,846 You think so? 39 00:02:26,457 --> 00:02:27,491 Hey! I'm glad you could come! 40 00:02:27,524 --> 00:02:28,325 Hey, girl! 41 00:02:28,359 --> 00:02:29,326 How are you? 42 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,361 I'm good, how are you? 43 00:02:30,394 --> 00:02:32,128 Good! 44 00:02:32,263 --> 00:02:33,997 How was your drive? 45 00:02:34,030 --> 00:02:35,432 Uh... 46 00:02:35,932 --> 00:02:37,834 - terrible. - Really?! How come? 47 00:02:37,868 --> 00:02:38,835 No, actually, it was all right. 48 00:02:38,869 --> 00:02:39,836 Oh? 49 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:41,338 Well, look, we got these new chairs. 50 00:02:41,372 --> 00:02:42,806 You have to sit down! 51 00:02:42,839 --> 00:02:43,840 Okay, I have to sit down? 52 00:02:43,874 --> 00:02:45,208 Yeah, look. 53 00:02:45,276 --> 00:02:47,043 - It's a massager chair. - Oh my God, look at that! 54 00:02:47,077 --> 00:02:49,380 It vibrates when you press the buttons. 55 00:02:49,446 --> 00:02:50,847 Oh my God... 56 00:02:50,881 --> 00:02:52,483 Yeah, flip the switches. 57 00:02:52,516 --> 00:02:53,417 Which one is it? 58 00:02:53,484 --> 00:02:55,051 Um, you can use either one of them. 59 00:02:55,085 --> 00:02:56,152 It tells you... 60 00:02:56,186 --> 00:02:57,454 There's one for you butt, there's one for your lower 61 00:02:57,488 --> 00:03:00,056 back, and there's one for your upper back. 62 00:03:00,090 --> 00:03:02,058 I just felt my butt... 63 00:03:02,125 --> 00:03:03,827 I think... 64 00:03:03,860 --> 00:03:05,462 You can pretty much tell the difference when you press 65 00:03:05,496 --> 00:03:06,563 - all of them. - Holy--! 66 00:03:06,597 --> 00:03:08,031 - Yup, that's my butt. - It feels so good, right?! 67 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:11,502 I thought you had blonde hair! 68 00:03:11,535 --> 00:03:13,437 Do you like it? I dyed it by myself. 69 00:03:13,504 --> 00:03:15,038 - I think it's pretty. - Thank you! 70 00:03:15,071 --> 00:03:16,440 It's very pretty! 71 00:03:16,507 --> 00:03:18,875 I haven't had a kiss yet. 72 00:03:18,909 --> 00:03:20,143 Oh, okay. 73 00:03:20,176 --> 00:03:23,113 Well, then what did you wanna do? 74 00:03:23,179 --> 00:03:25,248 Well, I want a kiss first. 75 00:03:25,282 --> 00:03:26,350 And then what? 76 00:03:26,383 --> 00:03:27,518 Can I have a kiss first? 77 00:03:27,551 --> 00:03:29,252 - Well, let's talk first! - Okay! 78 00:03:29,286 --> 00:03:31,288 You just got here! 79 00:03:31,355 --> 00:03:33,189 Would you like me to go in the truck and get my stuff? 80 00:03:33,223 --> 00:03:34,391 No, it's all right. 81 00:03:34,425 --> 00:03:36,092 No? You don't want your thing right now? 82 00:03:36,126 --> 00:03:37,060 The present I gave ya? 83 00:03:37,093 --> 00:03:38,562 Well, what is it? 84 00:03:38,595 --> 00:03:40,130 Well, I can't tell you. 85 00:03:40,196 --> 00:03:42,466 That wouldn't be much of a present if I told you. 86 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:44,435 Well, you can go get it in a little bit or something, 87 00:03:44,501 --> 00:03:45,869 - okay? - Okay. 88 00:03:45,902 --> 00:03:46,903 All right. 89 00:03:46,937 --> 00:03:48,104 Are you nervous? 90 00:03:48,138 --> 00:03:49,139 - A little bit. - A little bit? 91 00:03:49,205 --> 00:03:50,441 Not as bad as what you thought you would be? 92 00:03:50,474 --> 00:03:52,876 Not as bad, but I still am kinda nervous. 93 00:03:52,909 --> 00:03:54,445 I'd rather, like, talk a little bit first, 94 00:03:54,478 --> 00:03:56,913 and then, like-- so I'm more comfortable, you know? 95 00:03:56,947 --> 00:03:58,882 That's, like, cool. 96 00:03:58,915 --> 00:03:59,550 Good. 97 00:03:59,583 --> 00:04:01,184 I'm really glad. 98 00:04:02,285 --> 00:04:03,887 I like seeing you in person. 99 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,356 Yeah, I like seeing you too. 100 00:04:05,389 --> 00:04:06,923 Good. 101 00:04:07,257 --> 00:04:08,459 - So... - This is getting hot. How come? 102 00:04:08,492 --> 00:04:10,894 Oh, because press the red button. 103 00:04:10,927 --> 00:04:12,429 - It's a heater too. - Oh. 104 00:04:13,597 --> 00:04:15,131 You gonna have a seat too? 105 00:04:15,165 --> 00:04:17,200 I actually-- I like to sit on the edge of chairs. 106 00:04:17,233 --> 00:04:18,168 - Do ya? - Yeah. 107 00:04:18,234 --> 00:04:19,336 You seem pretty comfortable there. 108 00:04:19,403 --> 00:04:20,471 - How are you, sir? - How are you? 109 00:04:20,504 --> 00:04:22,473 - All right, how are you doin'? - What's happenin'? 110 00:04:22,506 --> 00:04:25,108 - Not too much. - Not too much? 111 00:04:25,141 --> 00:04:26,477 You a Boston fan? 112 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:28,445 Actually, I don't even watch baseball. 113 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:30,481 Oh. But it's a Boston cap. 114 00:04:30,547 --> 00:04:32,416 - It's a Boston cap, yeah. - Yeah. 115 00:04:32,449 --> 00:04:33,484 So, what are you up to tonight? 116 00:04:33,517 --> 00:04:36,152 Not a whole lot. 117 00:04:36,186 --> 00:04:38,389 - Not a whole lot? - No. 118 00:04:39,456 --> 00:04:41,324 Well, I'll tell ya, for the last... 119 00:04:41,392 --> 00:04:43,259 several days, you've been up to a lot. 120 00:04:43,293 --> 00:04:45,996 You're a pretty prolific chatter there. 121 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,503 Wanna explain yourself? 122 00:04:53,203 --> 00:04:55,338 Not really, I never... 123 00:04:55,406 --> 00:04:56,172 really... 124 00:04:56,239 --> 00:04:57,340 was gonna do anything. 125 00:04:57,374 --> 00:04:58,442 You weren't really going to do anything? 126 00:04:58,475 --> 00:04:59,976 No. 127 00:05:00,477 --> 00:05:02,513 So, you brought condoms... 128 00:05:02,579 --> 00:05:04,347 What else did you bring? 129 00:05:04,415 --> 00:05:07,317 - I brought her a bracelet. - A bracelet. 130 00:05:07,451 --> 00:05:09,285 And her... 131 00:05:09,686 --> 00:05:12,322 And she is how old? 132 00:05:13,256 --> 00:05:15,626 - Supposed to be 13. - Supposed to be 13. 133 00:05:15,659 --> 00:05:16,993 And how old are you? 134 00:05:17,027 --> 00:05:18,595 - 37. - 37. 135 00:05:21,398 --> 00:05:24,501 What do you think oughta happen? 136 00:05:25,436 --> 00:05:27,504 Oh, here's a good one. 137 00:05:28,138 --> 00:05:31,542 "Is Miss Vagina thinking about Mister Penis? 138 00:05:31,575 --> 00:05:34,244 What is she thinking?" 139 00:05:37,614 --> 00:05:40,050 What's up with that? 140 00:05:42,218 --> 00:05:44,621 Do you ever watch television much? 141 00:05:47,223 --> 00:05:50,260 You ever watch a program called Dateline NBC? 142 00:05:51,628 --> 00:05:54,030 Well, there's something I gotta tell ya: 143 00:05:54,197 --> 00:05:55,999 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, 144 00:05:56,032 --> 00:05:57,200 and we're doing a story on. 145 00:05:57,233 --> 00:05:58,569 God... 146 00:05:58,602 --> 00:06:01,572 Now, you're free to walk out of this house right now, 147 00:06:01,605 --> 00:06:03,006 but if there's anything else you wanna say, 148 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:05,442 now would be the time to say it. 149 00:06:15,285 --> 00:06:16,453 Sheriff's office! Down! 150 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,454 Get down! 151 00:06:17,521 --> 00:06:19,590 On the ground! On the ground! 152 00:06:22,325 --> 00:06:24,628 Put your hands behind your back! 153 00:06:36,773 --> 00:06:41,678 *pensive ethereal music* 154 00:06:52,355 --> 00:06:54,457 Tonight, a Dateline hidden camera 155 00:06:54,525 --> 00:06:58,595 investigation exposes a very real threat to your children: 156 00:06:58,629 --> 00:07:01,464 online sexual predators. 157 00:07:01,532 --> 00:07:02,799 When you watch To Catch a Predator, 158 00:07:02,833 --> 00:07:05,602 you can see right away why a show like it would take America 159 00:07:05,636 --> 00:07:07,103 by storm. 160 00:07:07,137 --> 00:07:09,305 ...and show up at a home where they think a 161 00:07:09,339 --> 00:07:10,473 minor is alone. 162 00:07:10,541 --> 00:07:13,109 The problem, as you'll see in our investigation, 163 00:07:13,143 --> 00:07:14,711 is epidemic. 164 00:07:14,745 --> 00:07:16,312 These kids range in age... 165 00:07:16,379 --> 00:07:18,682 The show began when NBC Dateline hired this online 166 00:07:18,749 --> 00:07:21,618 civilian group called "Perverted Justice" to find 167 00:07:21,652 --> 00:07:23,654 online predators in chatrooms. 168 00:07:23,687 --> 00:07:26,289 Enter a group called "Perverted Justice," 169 00:07:26,322 --> 00:07:29,492 whose mission is to do what it believes law enforcement 170 00:07:29,526 --> 00:07:31,695 doesn't always have the resources to do: 171 00:07:31,762 --> 00:07:33,664 going after internet predators. 172 00:07:33,697 --> 00:07:37,133 And they do it by posing as kids online. 173 00:07:37,167 --> 00:07:40,604 They have the decoy, who opens the door -- 174 00:07:40,637 --> 00:07:43,106 either a boy or a girl. 175 00:07:43,139 --> 00:07:44,675 These will have been adults who happen to look 176 00:07:44,741 --> 00:07:46,643 much younger than they are. 177 00:07:46,677 --> 00:07:50,146 They will pretend to be the child that wants to have sex, 178 00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:51,347 or something like that. 179 00:07:51,414 --> 00:07:52,649 I'm just gonna go and get my hair ready. 180 00:07:52,683 --> 00:07:54,718 - I'll be right back. - Take your time. 181 00:07:54,785 --> 00:07:57,153 - I'm excited, by the way. - Me too. 182 00:07:57,187 --> 00:07:59,690 And then, you have Chris Hansen coming out... 183 00:07:59,756 --> 00:08:00,824 So, you're excited too? 184 00:08:00,857 --> 00:08:02,125 And ask them what they're doing there -- 185 00:08:02,158 --> 00:08:03,359 you know, what they think they're doing. 186 00:08:03,393 --> 00:08:05,361 - I'm sorry. - Please have a seat. 187 00:08:05,395 --> 00:08:06,663 I'm sorry. 188 00:08:06,697 --> 00:08:08,364 What were you doing here? 189 00:08:11,401 --> 00:08:14,170 As an ethnographer, I study why people behave the way 190 00:08:14,204 --> 00:08:15,806 they do. 191 00:08:16,306 --> 00:08:20,143 What first interested me about To Catch a Predator 192 00:08:20,176 --> 00:08:22,713 is how it is that grown men can 193 00:08:22,746 --> 00:08:27,784 be so vile when it comes to what they assume are kids, 194 00:08:30,587 --> 00:08:33,624 and how it is that we seem to enjoy 195 00:08:33,657 --> 00:08:38,695 watching these same men being humiliated on TV. 196 00:08:40,463 --> 00:08:42,666 So how can I help you? 197 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,736 Go ahead, have a seat. 198 00:08:48,839 --> 00:08:51,507 In that moment... 199 00:08:52,242 --> 00:08:53,810 time stops. 200 00:08:54,745 --> 00:08:57,447 I suggest you sit down. 201 00:08:58,281 --> 00:09:00,383 What you're seeing is effectively someone else's life 202 00:09:00,416 --> 00:09:01,785 end. 203 00:09:05,789 --> 00:09:08,191 And they realize it. 204 00:09:08,224 --> 00:09:10,593 *** 205 00:09:10,661 --> 00:09:13,529 The goal of the show was to educate people about the evils 206 00:09:13,563 --> 00:09:17,768 of the internet -- the "stranger danger" folk. 207 00:09:17,834 --> 00:09:20,637 But it ended up shocking an entire nation. 208 00:09:20,804 --> 00:09:22,739 Online, on the street, at school, 209 00:09:22,773 --> 00:09:25,709 pedophiles seize every opportunity to try and connect 210 00:09:25,742 --> 00:09:29,545 with your children, and one reporter is doing what he can, 211 00:09:29,579 --> 00:09:31,547 and he's doing a lot to expose these offenders. 212 00:09:31,581 --> 00:09:33,784 Dateline NBC's Chris Hansen! 213 00:09:35,585 --> 00:09:38,421 I don't understand why the guys sit down and talk to you! 214 00:09:38,454 --> 00:09:39,622 Well... 215 00:09:39,656 --> 00:09:41,758 I don't know why they don't just walk out the door! 216 00:09:41,792 --> 00:09:43,026 Why do they sit down and talk to you?! 217 00:09:43,059 --> 00:09:46,462 Well, my theory is this: that a large percentage of these 218 00:09:46,496 --> 00:09:47,463 - guys... - Yeah. 219 00:09:47,497 --> 00:09:49,465 Have an addiction, a compulsion, 220 00:09:49,499 --> 00:09:50,533 they wanna get caught... 221 00:09:50,566 --> 00:09:51,634 Explain to me; help me to understand. 222 00:09:51,702 --> 00:09:54,237 I-- I can't! Because there is no reason! 223 00:09:54,270 --> 00:09:56,272 Take me inside your mind; what's goin' on?! 224 00:09:56,306 --> 00:09:57,140 Just bored. 225 00:09:57,207 --> 00:09:58,474 Why did you do it? Help me to understand! 226 00:09:58,508 --> 00:09:59,542 I don't know! 227 00:09:59,575 --> 00:10:01,444 Well, why did you come here? Help me to understand. 228 00:10:01,477 --> 00:10:02,813 Because I'm a sick son of a bitch. 229 00:10:02,846 --> 00:10:04,447 I'm not there to beat these guys up. 230 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,482 I'm wanna find out what's going on in their mind -- 231 00:10:06,549 --> 00:10:08,484 what led them to walk in this door. 232 00:10:08,551 --> 00:10:11,287 You came over here planning to have oral sex with a 233 00:10:11,321 --> 00:10:12,455 12-year-old girl. 234 00:10:12,488 --> 00:10:13,456 I just... 235 00:10:13,489 --> 00:10:14,825 I've had that fantasy in the back of my head! 236 00:10:14,858 --> 00:10:16,259 Fantasy? 237 00:10:16,292 --> 00:10:17,794 - About being with a young girl? - A young girl, yes. 238 00:10:17,828 --> 00:10:19,896 Well, what do you think should happen to you? 239 00:10:19,930 --> 00:10:21,965 I don't know why you're asking me stuff like this! 240 00:10:21,998 --> 00:10:22,999 I mean... 241 00:10:23,033 --> 00:10:24,634 Well, why do you think I'm curious about all this? 242 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:26,737 I could tell you're a therapist! I know... 243 00:10:26,770 --> 00:10:28,304 - I mean-- - You think I'm a therapist? 244 00:10:28,338 --> 00:10:29,672 In many cases, they stay and they talk to me! 245 00:10:29,740 --> 00:10:30,941 They tell me the whole story! 246 00:10:30,974 --> 00:10:32,809 Is there anything else you want people to know about your 247 00:10:32,843 --> 00:10:34,277 situation? 248 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:35,846 My life is screwed. I'm done. 249 00:10:35,912 --> 00:10:36,880 They may be in trouble, 250 00:10:36,947 --> 00:10:37,848 but maybe now, they're gonna get help. 251 00:10:37,881 --> 00:10:39,883 This is probably what I needed... 252 00:10:39,950 --> 00:10:40,984 to... 253 00:10:41,017 --> 00:10:42,285 straighten up. 254 00:10:42,318 --> 00:10:43,519 You've scared the hell out of me. 255 00:10:43,553 --> 00:10:45,856 I need to see a psychiatrist because of the way everything 256 00:10:45,922 --> 00:10:47,490 is going in my life. 257 00:10:47,523 --> 00:10:49,559 Well, why don't you go ahead and... 258 00:10:49,625 --> 00:10:50,693 I hope you get that help. 259 00:10:50,761 --> 00:10:52,628 As he gets up to leave, 260 00:10:52,662 --> 00:10:55,866 officers are in position, ready to arrest him. 261 00:10:55,899 --> 00:10:57,567 Sheriff's office! Hands up! 262 00:10:57,633 --> 00:10:58,902 Hands up! 263 00:10:58,969 --> 00:11:00,570 - Well, you're free to go. - Well, you're free to go. 264 00:11:00,636 --> 00:11:01,838 You're free to walk out that door. 265 00:11:01,872 --> 00:11:03,306 Thank you. 266 00:11:03,339 --> 00:11:05,508 So, I can just walk out? No problem? 267 00:11:05,541 --> 00:11:06,843 - On your way. - Thank you. 268 00:11:06,877 --> 00:11:09,312 It's nice to meet you. 269 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:10,546 And, obviously, you're free to go. 270 00:11:10,613 --> 00:11:11,882 We can't keep you here; you're free to go. 271 00:11:11,915 --> 00:11:13,850 You're free to leave, obviously, if you wanna go. 272 00:11:13,884 --> 00:11:16,386 That's the wrong way, though. 273 00:11:16,552 --> 00:11:17,821 Get down! Get down! Get down! 274 00:11:17,854 --> 00:11:18,889 Police! Stop! 275 00:11:25,695 --> 00:11:27,363 Please, please, please, help me! 276 00:11:27,397 --> 00:11:28,564 Oh, dear God! 277 00:11:28,631 --> 00:11:31,034 Dear God! 278 00:11:41,411 --> 00:11:44,915 I don't think I had any sort of idea 279 00:11:44,948 --> 00:11:46,850 how big the show was. 280 00:11:46,883 --> 00:11:47,918 To me, it was like, 281 00:11:47,951 --> 00:11:50,020 "A couple of random people are gonna see this, 282 00:11:50,053 --> 00:11:52,923 but it's probably not my big acting break." 283 00:11:52,956 --> 00:11:56,592 Little did I know that it was going to live on... 284 00:11:56,626 --> 00:11:58,661 probably my whole entire life 'til I die. 285 00:11:58,694 --> 00:12:00,931 I will probably always, in some universe, 286 00:12:00,964 --> 00:12:02,799 be known as "the decoy." 287 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,602 Should we talk to random strangers online that we 288 00:12:06,669 --> 00:12:07,938 don't know? 289 00:12:07,971 --> 00:12:10,874 I talk to some but they're nice. 290 00:12:10,907 --> 00:12:11,842 What? 291 00:12:11,875 --> 00:12:15,611 I talk to random strangers that I don't know. 292 00:12:15,645 --> 00:12:16,947 But they're super nice. 293 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:20,050 See, that's not a good plan, because they can be-- they can 294 00:12:20,083 --> 00:12:21,952 look like they're super nice, but they're not always 295 00:12:21,985 --> 00:12:23,954 super nice. 296 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:25,956 Older guys are better! 297 00:12:26,656 --> 00:12:28,391 Better at a lot of things! 298 00:12:28,424 --> 00:12:31,794 I'm more mature; I don't need people my age. 299 00:12:32,528 --> 00:12:34,797 Fine, if-- honestly, this is stupid. 300 00:12:34,831 --> 00:12:36,799 If you don't want to, then, seriously, 301 00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:39,735 let's just get off the phone. 302 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:40,670 Two minutes? 303 00:12:40,736 --> 00:12:42,805 All right, awesome, see you then! 304 00:12:42,873 --> 00:12:43,806 She just got off the phone with him. 305 00:12:43,874 --> 00:12:45,075 Sending the decoy out. 306 00:12:45,108 --> 00:12:46,409 There he is. Go out! 307 00:12:46,442 --> 00:12:49,645 I had to look at it as "This is an acting job..." 308 00:12:49,712 --> 00:12:51,647 Are you coming?! Come on! 309 00:12:51,681 --> 00:12:54,017 "But it's one that really heavily relies on me 310 00:12:54,084 --> 00:12:55,685 doing my job correctly." 311 00:12:55,751 --> 00:12:56,953 Have a seat. Will you pour me a drink, please? 312 00:12:56,987 --> 00:12:57,988 - Oh, yeah, sure! - Awesome! 313 00:12:58,021 --> 00:12:59,689 I'm just gonna go get my bikini now... 314 00:12:59,755 --> 00:13:00,823 Okay. 315 00:13:00,857 --> 00:13:01,958 The improv part was super important, 316 00:13:01,992 --> 00:13:04,427 and my biggest goal was always 317 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:06,096 get them to expose themselves -- 318 00:13:06,129 --> 00:13:08,965 like, get Chris Hansen his best interview. 319 00:13:08,999 --> 00:13:10,033 Why are you paranoid?! 320 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:12,768 Just picture me naked and come on in! 321 00:13:12,802 --> 00:13:13,870 I swear... 322 00:13:17,941 --> 00:13:21,477 I think it brought a lot of awareness to parents. 323 00:13:21,511 --> 00:13:24,014 Like, I think that you get sucked in because you're like, 324 00:13:24,047 --> 00:13:25,848 "This is a problem." 325 00:13:25,882 --> 00:13:30,921 And, also, I don't think people realized TV could be like this 326 00:13:31,121 --> 00:13:33,456 'til To Catch a Predator came along and actually put it in 327 00:13:33,489 --> 00:13:35,758 people's faces that, like, this is real life, 328 00:13:35,791 --> 00:13:38,728 it's not just, you know, fiction. 329 00:13:41,097 --> 00:13:43,033 My uncle is a realtor and was helping rent 330 00:13:43,066 --> 00:13:47,003 out my nana's house to NBC, and so my dad went down helping 331 00:13:47,037 --> 00:13:49,839 handle all the paperwork, and they were explaining the show, 332 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:53,676 and that they hire an actress from LA to fly in and play 333 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:56,479 an underage girl, and he's like, 334 00:13:56,512 --> 00:13:58,048 "My daughter is an actress, 335 00:13:58,081 --> 00:14:00,716 and she looks incredibly young for 18!" 336 00:14:00,750 --> 00:14:03,954 This is actually the shot... 337 00:14:03,987 --> 00:14:05,922 that gave me... 338 00:14:05,989 --> 00:14:07,823 the job. 339 00:14:08,758 --> 00:14:11,561 It was definitely the dance belt. 340 00:14:11,727 --> 00:14:15,131 That definitely says "12-year-old girl," right? 341 00:14:19,135 --> 00:14:21,737 He had no idea what he was getting himself into. 342 00:14:21,771 --> 00:14:22,905 More so himself than me. 343 00:14:22,973 --> 00:14:24,774 I was fine! 344 00:14:25,275 --> 00:14:29,545 My job was truly... 345 00:14:29,579 --> 00:14:30,913 "Be a face," right? 346 00:14:30,947 --> 00:14:32,748 That's what they explained to me! 347 00:14:32,815 --> 00:14:34,750 Casey, can you hear me? 348 00:14:34,817 --> 00:14:37,553 Go ahead and, uh, open the door for him. 349 00:14:37,587 --> 00:14:38,754 Hey, come on in! 350 00:14:38,821 --> 00:14:41,191 On the steps, opening the door. 351 00:14:41,224 --> 00:14:43,926 - In the kitchen, call out! - Hey, I'm in here! 352 00:14:43,994 --> 00:14:45,128 The security guard told me, 353 00:14:45,195 --> 00:14:48,564 he was like, "You are God to them. 354 00:14:48,598 --> 00:14:51,834 That's why it's so powerful you-- when you say 'Sit' and 355 00:14:51,867 --> 00:14:54,804 point your finger, they will sit." 356 00:14:54,971 --> 00:14:56,739 And I was like, "Oh! 357 00:14:56,772 --> 00:14:58,741 I have the upper hand here." 358 00:14:58,774 --> 00:15:00,610 Oh my God! 359 00:15:02,145 --> 00:15:03,546 I wanted a paycheck. 360 00:15:03,579 --> 00:15:05,848 "Sure, yup, sign me up." 361 00:15:05,881 --> 00:15:07,083 I look young. 362 00:15:07,117 --> 00:15:09,752 And I think that was the... 363 00:15:09,785 --> 00:15:10,753 "Okay! 364 00:15:10,786 --> 00:15:12,588 Perfect, that's what we need." 365 00:15:12,622 --> 00:15:14,824 I don't think it was... 366 00:15:14,924 --> 00:15:18,761 I don't think they really expected much of me as 367 00:15:18,794 --> 00:15:19,595 an actor. 368 00:15:19,629 --> 00:15:21,797 How ya doin', Stanley? 369 00:15:21,831 --> 00:15:23,266 Doin' good? 370 00:15:23,299 --> 00:15:24,767 Tough drive? 371 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,569 But it was a little nerve-wracking. 372 00:15:26,602 --> 00:15:30,106 It was nerve-wracking, um, having to answer the door, 373 00:15:30,140 --> 00:15:32,142 - um... - Ya thirsty? 374 00:15:32,208 --> 00:15:33,776 No? Can I pour one for myself? 375 00:15:33,809 --> 00:15:35,845 Make them-- welcome them in... 376 00:15:35,911 --> 00:15:37,980 So, what do ya think we should start with? 377 00:15:38,048 --> 00:15:39,982 What are you thinking? 378 00:15:40,050 --> 00:15:42,852 I think a lot of it, though, too, was... 379 00:15:42,918 --> 00:15:45,821 What is the, uh, lesson plan for tonight? 380 00:15:45,888 --> 00:15:48,824 "Don't blow the cover. 381 00:15:48,891 --> 00:15:52,595 - You've got a ton of people here - - who've been working hard now 382 00:15:52,628 --> 00:15:56,266 for X amount of days -- that you'd let down." 383 00:15:58,268 --> 00:16:02,172 It was kind of like a cool gang that you're in, 384 00:16:02,205 --> 00:16:06,176 making sure these bad guys don't hurt any kids. 385 00:16:09,212 --> 00:16:11,814 Seems like an okay club! 386 00:16:11,847 --> 00:16:13,949 You know? 387 00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:22,092 *pensive ethereal music 388 00:16:56,892 --> 00:16:59,061 I definitely see 389 00:16:59,095 --> 00:17:02,232 that not all of these people could recognize reality 390 00:17:02,265 --> 00:17:04,667 versus fantasy. 391 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:08,971 *** 392 00:17:09,004 --> 00:17:13,075 Some of them were so far in mentally, 393 00:17:13,143 --> 00:17:16,279 that they couldn't differentiate the two. 394 00:17:16,346 --> 00:17:21,117 *** 395 00:17:23,986 --> 00:17:26,922 They know what they're doing to a degree, 396 00:17:26,956 --> 00:17:29,992 but it comes from this place of non-acceptance, 397 00:17:30,025 --> 00:17:32,928 loneliness, and fear. 398 00:17:33,263 --> 00:17:35,931 And so, by sitting safe on their computer, 399 00:17:35,965 --> 00:17:37,767 at their home, 400 00:17:38,734 --> 00:17:42,138 they found this easy in. 401 00:17:43,773 --> 00:17:47,109 I gave them that full permission to disobey any 402 00:17:47,177 --> 00:17:51,347 thought that maybe this isn't okay. 403 00:17:53,783 --> 00:17:54,950 You didn't think I was real? 404 00:17:54,984 --> 00:17:56,719 Well, that can be anybody in that thing. 405 00:17:56,752 --> 00:17:58,020 Yeah. 406 00:17:58,053 --> 00:18:00,790 No, I'm real. 407 00:18:01,157 --> 00:18:04,327 The men would write themselves a pornographic film, 408 00:18:04,394 --> 00:18:07,096 which showed up in a chat log. 409 00:18:08,998 --> 00:18:11,167 And they wanted to follow through on this fantasy they 410 00:18:11,234 --> 00:18:14,237 co-created with the show, 411 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:18,007 where kids are hyper-sexualized and sexually available. 412 00:18:18,073 --> 00:18:19,975 Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Are you excited? 413 00:18:20,009 --> 00:18:21,211 Yeah! 414 00:18:21,244 --> 00:18:22,778 And where that is actually okay at some level. 415 00:18:22,812 --> 00:18:24,780 What do you wanna do? 416 00:18:24,814 --> 00:18:26,982 This was the era of Britney Spears and young girls 417 00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:29,985 all the time on TV as sexual objects. 418 00:18:30,019 --> 00:18:31,287 Finally agrees and he says, 419 00:18:31,321 --> 00:18:32,988 "Nice tummy, hun. 420 00:18:33,022 --> 00:18:35,191 I want to lick that." 421 00:18:35,691 --> 00:18:36,959 Why are you paranoid?! 422 00:18:36,992 --> 00:18:39,329 Just picture me naked and come on in! 423 00:18:39,395 --> 00:18:41,797 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline. 424 00:18:41,831 --> 00:18:44,767 Talking to kids or pretend kids -- decoys -- 425 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,304 online is already a crime. 426 00:18:48,338 --> 00:18:51,974 So, the show's only job... 427 00:18:52,007 --> 00:18:54,777 is to get the men to the house, 428 00:18:54,810 --> 00:18:59,815 just to sell that fantasy for a few more minutes in person. 429 00:18:59,982 --> 00:19:02,318 The parents aren't home. 430 00:19:02,352 --> 00:19:04,320 The boy or girl is eager. 431 00:19:04,354 --> 00:19:06,121 Come on in! 432 00:19:06,289 --> 00:19:07,390 Come in! 433 00:19:07,457 --> 00:19:08,791 And so, when the men do get the courage, 434 00:19:08,824 --> 00:19:10,826 eventually, to show up... 435 00:19:10,860 --> 00:19:12,362 Oh my God... 436 00:19:12,395 --> 00:19:16,065 It's even better than their dreams. 437 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,870 Because the show made it that way. 438 00:19:24,407 --> 00:19:27,176 Okay, out of the vehicle. 439 00:19:27,843 --> 00:19:29,044 Hey! 440 00:19:29,078 --> 00:19:30,112 Come on in! 441 00:19:30,145 --> 00:19:31,847 Walking into our undercover house is 442 00:19:31,881 --> 00:19:34,250 39-year-old John Elliot. 443 00:19:34,317 --> 00:19:37,219 We've hired this 19-year-old actress, Casey, 444 00:19:37,253 --> 00:19:38,388 to be our decoy. 445 00:19:38,421 --> 00:19:41,357 Using a screen name so disturbing we can't broadcast 446 00:19:41,391 --> 00:19:44,226 it, he tells the decoy about his fantasy... 447 00:19:44,260 --> 00:19:45,094 Oh! 448 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,195 Of being with a young girl. 449 00:19:46,228 --> 00:19:47,196 - "You were asking me about..." - Yeah. 450 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:48,864 "What I was daydreaming about. 451 00:19:48,898 --> 00:19:50,032 Well, that's it. 452 00:19:50,065 --> 00:19:52,067 You nude, and me licking you. 453 00:19:52,101 --> 00:19:53,403 Gosh, you're pretty!" 454 00:19:53,436 --> 00:19:54,470 Thank you! 455 00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:57,072 So, what are your plans or what are you thinking? 456 00:19:57,139 --> 00:19:59,108 Kissing you. 457 00:19:59,174 --> 00:20:02,044 Yeah? 458 00:20:02,077 --> 00:20:04,380 You know, how we was talking on the internet. 459 00:20:04,414 --> 00:20:06,882 There were a few... 460 00:20:06,916 --> 00:20:09,419 I wanted to just be like, "Go home." 461 00:20:09,485 --> 00:20:13,055 I'm a freshman in college, I'm trying to figure out my life, 462 00:20:13,088 --> 00:20:15,157 and one of the guys that came, we were, like, 463 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:16,459 pretty similar. 464 00:20:16,526 --> 00:20:19,395 And I'm just talking to some guy on the beach about, like, 465 00:20:19,429 --> 00:20:21,063 "College is rough!" and, you know, 466 00:20:21,096 --> 00:20:23,132 "Do I want this major? Do I not?" 467 00:20:23,198 --> 00:20:25,134 And it was very relatable. 468 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,436 And so badly, I just wanted to be like, 469 00:20:26,469 --> 00:20:29,439 "Go home. Go home! Go home." 470 00:20:29,472 --> 00:20:32,408 I just didn't-- I've just been worried that it's all some... 471 00:20:32,442 --> 00:20:34,243 just some crazy... 472 00:20:34,276 --> 00:20:35,311 scheme. 473 00:20:35,378 --> 00:20:36,312 What do you mean? 474 00:20:36,379 --> 00:20:38,113 They pay for, like, cops to, like, 475 00:20:38,147 --> 00:20:39,882 pretend they're, like, girls and like that. 476 00:20:39,915 --> 00:20:41,150 - Are you serious?! - Yeah! 477 00:20:41,216 --> 00:20:42,452 So, I mean, I usually don't worry about it... 478 00:20:43,285 --> 00:20:44,587 But it was just, like, so awkward, 479 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:46,255 I don't-- I don't know... 480 00:20:46,288 --> 00:20:47,457 But I guess everything's cool. 481 00:20:47,523 --> 00:20:49,325 I mean, I just-- I don't know, so... 482 00:20:49,392 --> 00:20:51,126 But as he's about to find out, 483 00:20:51,193 --> 00:20:53,295 everything isn't cool. 484 00:20:53,363 --> 00:20:54,930 - How it goin'? - Pretty good, how you doin'? 485 00:20:54,964 --> 00:20:56,298 Good! How are you? 486 00:20:56,366 --> 00:20:58,568 - I'm all right. - What's happenin'? 487 00:20:59,268 --> 00:21:01,404 You wanna be a television reporter. 488 00:21:01,437 --> 00:21:02,338 Yes. 489 00:21:02,405 --> 00:21:03,473 Have you ever been on TV before? 490 00:21:03,506 --> 00:21:04,740 No. 491 00:21:04,774 --> 00:21:06,909 Well, this is one of those "good news, bad news" 492 00:21:06,942 --> 00:21:08,978 situations, John. 493 00:21:09,178 --> 00:21:12,582 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, 494 00:21:12,615 --> 00:21:15,585 and we're doing To Catch a Predator... 495 00:21:15,618 --> 00:21:18,488 Please tell me you're not! Please! 496 00:21:18,521 --> 00:21:21,156 I do not wanna be ruined for my-- I wanted to go to college 497 00:21:21,223 --> 00:21:22,124 and everything! 498 00:21:22,157 --> 00:21:24,326 I wanna go for sports broadcasting! 499 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,562 I didn't realize it at the time how taxing 500 00:21:26,596 --> 00:21:28,297 it was... 501 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:30,366 emotionally and mentally. 502 00:21:30,433 --> 00:21:32,334 Years later, I'm still emotionally exhausted. 503 00:21:32,368 --> 00:21:35,337 Like, I have never, like, watched this post it airing 504 00:21:35,405 --> 00:21:37,407 originally. 505 00:21:38,408 --> 00:21:41,644 Like, over the years, I've had my ways of being able to, like, 506 00:21:41,677 --> 00:21:43,479 work through it, right? But... 507 00:21:43,513 --> 00:21:46,616 that's a lot for someone to take in! 508 00:21:46,649 --> 00:21:48,484 Yeah. 509 00:21:50,219 --> 00:21:51,521 Greg, you stand there... 510 00:22:05,034 --> 00:22:08,003 Not-- I hadn't really seen it. 511 00:22:08,170 --> 00:22:12,341 The, uh-- my staff brought me a proposal 512 00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:13,476 about... 513 00:22:13,509 --> 00:22:17,179 child predators and some sort of a sting operation. 514 00:22:17,212 --> 00:22:19,214 That's when we partnered with them, 515 00:22:19,248 --> 00:22:20,450 and we did three stings. 516 00:22:20,483 --> 00:22:23,185 Kentucky Attorney General Greg Stumbo worked with 517 00:22:23,218 --> 00:22:26,021 Dateline in Northern Kentucky last spring. 518 00:22:26,055 --> 00:22:27,256 Thanks for helping us. 519 00:22:27,322 --> 00:22:29,224 To us, it was just a natural fit. 520 00:22:29,258 --> 00:22:32,662 Law enforcement is not equipped to conduct these types of 521 00:22:32,695 --> 00:22:34,296 operations at this point. 522 00:22:34,329 --> 00:22:36,532 So the stings went off without a hitch, 523 00:22:36,566 --> 00:22:39,001 the prosecutions all went well, 524 00:22:39,034 --> 00:22:42,572 so I got a lot of "Atta boys" at home, you know, for being... 525 00:22:42,638 --> 00:22:46,041 for doing this and getting on national television. 526 00:22:46,075 --> 00:22:49,011 But the point of it is 527 00:22:49,044 --> 00:22:52,014 it needs to be addressed. 528 00:22:52,047 --> 00:22:54,416 These people are out there and they're dangerous, 529 00:22:54,484 --> 00:22:57,252 but none of them had criminal backgrounds, 530 00:22:57,286 --> 00:22:59,555 so they'd never been arrested before. 531 00:22:59,589 --> 00:23:02,391 Unless we did something of this nature, 532 00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:04,627 they would have never been brought to the forefront 533 00:23:04,694 --> 00:23:07,663 because we had no idea who these people were! 534 00:23:27,349 --> 00:23:29,384 My job's not to rehabilitate 'em, 535 00:23:29,418 --> 00:23:32,655 my job's to make 'em be responsible for the act that 536 00:23:32,722 --> 00:23:33,823 they committed. 537 00:23:33,856 --> 00:23:36,726 These are criminals -- these are hardened criminals -- 538 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:38,594 that engaged... 539 00:23:38,628 --> 00:23:43,599 in this particular type of predatory conduct, 540 00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:45,668 intentionally, 541 00:23:45,701 --> 00:23:48,638 with malice aforethought, 542 00:23:48,671 --> 00:23:51,140 you know, with all the criminal intent that you can think of in 543 00:23:51,173 --> 00:23:53,342 the world to harm that child. 544 00:23:53,375 --> 00:23:57,346 And I have-- I have absolutely no compassion for 'em. 545 00:23:57,412 --> 00:23:59,448 I mean, um... 546 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:01,350 somebody asked me one time what I thought about the death 547 00:24:01,416 --> 00:24:03,385 penalty, and I said, "Well, I'd shoot the son of a bitch myself 548 00:24:03,452 --> 00:24:05,120 if they'd let me." 549 00:24:05,154 --> 00:24:06,155 And... 550 00:24:06,188 --> 00:24:09,191 But those are the type of people that... 551 00:24:09,725 --> 00:24:11,694 They're just dangerous. 552 00:24:11,727 --> 00:24:13,829 I mean, they're just dangerous, but we know they're out there, 553 00:24:13,863 --> 00:24:16,398 and they're dangerous for our children. 554 00:24:21,537 --> 00:24:24,574 You don't understand the problem if you're critical. 555 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,842 Mister Chairman, I'm glad to see Mister Chris Hansen 556 00:24:26,876 --> 00:24:28,043 here today. 557 00:24:28,077 --> 00:24:30,646 His Dateline NBC series of on child predators has wakened 558 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,615 America to the dangers our children face... 559 00:24:32,648 --> 00:24:35,685 The more light we shed upon this topic, 560 00:24:35,718 --> 00:24:38,721 it's gonna have a chilling effect on these crimes. 561 00:24:38,788 --> 00:24:42,391 Nearly 130 men have surfaced in our five investigations. 562 00:24:42,424 --> 00:24:44,594 98 of them have been charged criminally. 563 00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:46,195 Seven have pleaded guilty. 564 00:24:46,228 --> 00:24:48,197 Most people didn't have any problem 565 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:49,298 with what we did. 566 00:24:49,331 --> 00:24:51,200 Our next guest is the host of the funniest comedy on 567 00:24:51,233 --> 00:24:51,967 television. 568 00:24:52,001 --> 00:24:53,769 It's called To Catch a Predator. 569 00:24:53,836 --> 00:24:56,739 If you haven't seen it, it's like Punk'd for pedophiles. 570 00:24:56,806 --> 00:24:58,207 It's a great show. 571 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,742 And you can watch it this Wednesday night on NBC. 572 00:24:59,775 --> 00:25:02,745 Please say hello to Chris Hansen! 573 00:25:03,412 --> 00:25:05,748 And people respond to it, obviously. 574 00:25:05,781 --> 00:25:07,783 When did you realize this is gold? 575 00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:09,451 - - Well... 576 00:25:09,518 --> 00:25:11,787 after the second one, I figured, "You know... 577 00:25:11,854 --> 00:25:12,755 this is really compelling." 578 00:25:12,822 --> 00:25:14,423 Uh-huh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it is. 579 00:25:14,489 --> 00:25:15,858 It's very compelling. 580 00:25:15,891 --> 00:25:17,392 Have a cookie! I made them! 581 00:25:17,426 --> 00:25:19,394 You wanna explain yourself? 582 00:25:22,497 --> 00:25:24,533 Wrap it around yourself. 583 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:26,802 And please sit on that stool. 584 00:25:26,869 --> 00:25:28,237 What are you doing?! 585 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:30,505 Whose idea was it to tell the guy to get naked before he 586 00:25:30,539 --> 00:25:31,540 came in? 587 00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:32,642 Well, occasionally, they decoys will get a little 588 00:25:32,708 --> 00:25:35,544 - playful in the chat. - I don't-- I don't wanna, um... 589 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:37,446 be on the news. You filming? 590 00:25:37,512 --> 00:25:38,480 We are filming. 591 00:25:38,547 --> 00:25:39,782 I don't wanna be on the news, dawg. 592 00:25:39,815 --> 00:25:42,417 Well, it's a little late for that, dawg. 593 00:25:42,451 --> 00:25:43,753 It's news gathering, you know, 594 00:25:43,786 --> 00:25:45,420 so we don't need to get, uh... 595 00:25:45,454 --> 00:25:46,488 - Permission. - Permission. 596 00:25:46,555 --> 00:25:48,223 - I mean, it's for a news show. - I know! 597 00:25:48,257 --> 00:25:49,825 And we're taping what really happens. 598 00:25:49,892 --> 00:25:51,426 I know! I-- Could you-- That guy... 599 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:52,795 You know, listen: amazing work. 600 00:25:52,828 --> 00:25:54,730 Police! Raise your hands! 601 00:25:54,764 --> 00:25:56,699 You might think, "Boy, is that gotcha journalism?" 602 00:25:56,732 --> 00:25:57,967 or "Is that exploitative?" 603 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,536 I think anybody that's having sex with children or trying to, 604 00:26:01,570 --> 00:26:03,438 you guys should do this show ev-- you should have your own 605 00:26:03,472 --> 00:26:05,641 channel of this show. 606 00:26:05,708 --> 00:26:06,909 You thought I was a police officer? 607 00:26:06,942 --> 00:26:09,478 Yeah, I have no idea who you are. 608 00:26:09,511 --> 00:26:10,479 Okay, well you do now. 609 00:26:10,545 --> 00:26:11,814 - Hello, Homer. - Ah! 610 00:26:11,847 --> 00:26:14,249 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. 611 00:26:14,283 --> 00:26:16,485 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. 612 00:26:16,551 --> 00:26:17,820 Oh my God! 613 00:26:17,853 --> 00:26:19,521 Most recently, as of, you know, 614 00:26:19,588 --> 00:26:21,456 this Spring when we were shooting in Florida, 615 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:23,458 you know, guys were coming in and, 616 00:26:23,492 --> 00:26:24,827 before I could say, you know, "I'm Chris Hansen, 617 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:26,829 Dateline NBC," they were saying "I know, 618 00:26:26,862 --> 00:26:28,630 I know, I know." 619 00:26:28,664 --> 00:26:30,299 It's almost like Candid Camera, 620 00:26:30,332 --> 00:26:31,701 only with... 621 00:26:31,767 --> 00:26:35,270 criminals that get arrested and go to jail. 622 00:26:35,304 --> 00:26:37,773 It's-- it's unbelievable. 623 00:26:38,941 --> 00:26:41,777 Just come on over here and face this wall for me. 624 00:26:43,578 --> 00:26:46,682 You gotta anything on you I need to know about? 625 00:26:46,749 --> 00:26:47,817 Anything sharp? 626 00:26:47,850 --> 00:26:48,818 Any needles or... 627 00:26:48,851 --> 00:26:50,886 The only thing I had was a pocketknife, 628 00:26:50,953 --> 00:26:53,522 but I think they they put that in the bag. 629 00:26:53,555 --> 00:26:55,524 Are you a counselor too? Or... 630 00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:56,826 No, I'm-- I'm an agent. 631 00:26:56,859 --> 00:26:59,862 I'm with the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation. 632 00:26:59,895 --> 00:27:01,563 Oh, okay, I just thought maybe you was a... 633 00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:02,531 Okay. 634 00:27:02,564 --> 00:27:05,334 So, you are under arrest. 635 00:27:05,367 --> 00:27:06,535 You understand that? 636 00:27:06,601 --> 00:27:08,637 Oh yeah, definitely. 637 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,372 Yeah. 638 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:21,683 Okay. Was this never aired? 639 00:27:25,921 --> 00:27:27,389 Okay. 640 00:27:42,371 --> 00:27:43,773 Can I talk to you off camera? 641 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:44,907 I can't do that, I'm sorry. 642 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:47,642 Do you guys have any help for me? 643 00:27:47,676 --> 00:27:50,913 There-- there are a number of ways to get help, 644 00:27:50,946 --> 00:27:53,348 and we're gonna get into that in the story. 645 00:27:53,382 --> 00:27:54,984 My insurance covers therapy, 646 00:27:55,017 --> 00:27:56,585 and that's obviously what I need, 647 00:27:56,618 --> 00:28:00,355 for obviously more than this issue but a number of things. 648 00:28:00,389 --> 00:28:02,391 If I... 649 00:28:02,758 --> 00:28:04,760 Even if it was something you... 650 00:28:04,827 --> 00:28:05,861 I just don't... 651 00:28:05,895 --> 00:28:08,898 I don't want this to ruin the rest of my life. 652 00:28:15,037 --> 00:28:17,072 I'm sorry, Mr. Hansen. I'm sorry, all you guys. 653 00:28:17,106 --> 00:28:18,407 I'm sorry... 654 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,010 if this does end up on air, I'm sorry. 655 00:28:25,014 --> 00:28:27,582 To show these men as human beings, 656 00:28:27,616 --> 00:28:29,952 this show kind of... breaks down. 657 00:28:33,688 --> 00:28:36,892 And maybe that's why it didn't make it on TV. 658 00:28:37,526 --> 00:28:40,863 Yes, he's maybe done and said awful things... 659 00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:44,399 but it shows some humanity that's... 660 00:28:44,433 --> 00:28:46,869 hard to ignore. 661 00:28:50,105 --> 00:28:52,674 John W. Elliot. 662 00:28:52,842 --> 00:28:54,944 A lot of Elliots where I grew up. 663 00:28:54,977 --> 00:28:56,812 Where'd you grow up? 664 00:28:56,846 --> 00:28:58,080 I grew up in Bell County. 665 00:28:58,113 --> 00:28:59,815 You know where that is? 666 00:28:59,849 --> 00:29:01,683 I'm sorry, I don't. 667 00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:03,652 You don't even know where Bell County is?! 668 00:29:03,685 --> 00:29:04,987 I thought everybody knew where... 669 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:07,957 It's where the Cumberland Gap is. 670 00:29:09,658 --> 00:29:11,026 It sounds pretty. 671 00:29:11,093 --> 00:29:12,995 It is; it's nice. 672 00:29:13,028 --> 00:29:15,630 Maybe you can go there some time. 673 00:29:15,664 --> 00:29:18,667 Got a PGA Tour golf course... 674 00:29:18,733 --> 00:29:20,135 - Sorry. - You all right? 675 00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:21,670 Yup. 676 00:29:21,703 --> 00:29:23,873 You've been through a lot. 677 00:29:24,539 --> 00:29:27,042 I don't-- I don't deserve any remorse. 678 00:29:27,109 --> 00:29:28,978 I don't, mm-mm. 679 00:29:29,011 --> 00:29:31,713 You know what, John? 680 00:29:32,848 --> 00:29:35,717 You're gonna live through this. 681 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,722 No, I'm not. 682 00:29:44,726 --> 00:29:45,694 I don't like it when anybody sees me 683 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,496 like this. 684 00:29:48,898 --> 00:29:51,500 I'm just embarrassed. 685 00:29:52,034 --> 00:29:56,038 This is not typical of a criminal interrogation. 686 00:29:56,071 --> 00:29:59,474 This individual, you know, if he serves his time, 687 00:29:59,508 --> 00:30:02,912 if he goes through some sort of rehabilitative process, 688 00:30:02,978 --> 00:30:05,714 maybe he won't do it again, maybe he can come back and-- 689 00:30:05,747 --> 00:30:07,016 and become a... 690 00:30:07,049 --> 00:30:09,751 a productive member of society. 691 00:30:09,818 --> 00:30:11,553 Uh... 692 00:30:13,088 --> 00:30:16,858 But he needs to be punished for his crime. 693 00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:28,938 *pensive ethereal music 694 00:30:43,218 --> 00:30:45,754 You could offer me... 695 00:30:45,787 --> 00:30:48,057 $10 million... 696 00:30:48,657 --> 00:30:52,161 to film that episode in Texas again. 697 00:30:56,131 --> 00:30:58,200 And I wouldn't take it. 698 00:30:58,233 --> 00:31:01,971 I wouldn't-- I would not take it and be happy about that 699 00:31:02,037 --> 00:31:04,073 decision. 700 00:31:19,121 --> 00:31:20,089 Hello? 701 00:31:20,122 --> 00:31:21,090 Hey, Will? 702 00:31:21,123 --> 00:31:22,557 Hey, what are you doin'? 703 00:31:22,591 --> 00:31:23,959 Nothin', what are you doin'? 704 00:31:24,026 --> 00:31:25,227 Nothin'. 705 00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:29,798 I was looking up to see how to get to where you are. 706 00:31:29,864 --> 00:31:32,234 Are you gonna come over? 707 00:31:32,267 --> 00:31:33,969 Is it okay? 708 00:31:34,036 --> 00:31:36,005 Yeah! 709 00:31:39,041 --> 00:31:41,110 - Are you sure? - Totally. 710 00:31:41,143 --> 00:31:43,912 Hundred percent. 711 00:31:49,918 --> 00:31:51,586 You leave yet?! 712 00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:52,787 No... 713 00:31:52,821 --> 00:31:53,989 You didn't leave yet?! 714 00:31:54,023 --> 00:31:55,924 No. 715 00:31:57,059 --> 00:31:58,827 Are you gonna come or not?! 716 00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:00,829 Yes, I shall. 717 00:32:00,862 --> 00:32:02,131 Well, when are you gonna come over?! 718 00:32:02,164 --> 00:32:05,267 Well, a little later. 719 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:06,835 A little later?! 720 00:32:06,868 --> 00:32:08,803 Yeah, is that all right? 721 00:32:08,837 --> 00:32:11,873 Yeah, I guess... 722 00:34:59,107 --> 00:35:02,143 Got a detective back there? 723 00:35:04,012 --> 00:35:05,814 All the way back. 724 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:08,350 Back to the fence. 725 00:37:55,617 --> 00:38:00,355 I know I was at the house when I heard what happened. 726 00:38:01,255 --> 00:38:06,528 It might have been an hour after that that... 727 00:38:06,628 --> 00:38:08,363 we were told, "That's it. 728 00:38:08,397 --> 00:38:09,230 We're done. 729 00:38:09,297 --> 00:38:11,533 We're done with you guys." 730 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,435 And then... 731 00:38:15,537 --> 00:38:17,972 I know I've blocked that out. 732 00:38:18,006 --> 00:38:19,441 I know I have. 733 00:38:19,474 --> 00:38:20,975 I have. 734 00:38:21,009 --> 00:38:22,611 Um... 735 00:38:24,278 --> 00:38:26,247 This morning, I-- I... 736 00:38:26,314 --> 00:38:29,384 clicked a link on YouTube, 737 00:38:29,451 --> 00:38:33,054 and it brought me to... 738 00:38:34,556 --> 00:38:36,525 it started to play the phone call. 739 00:38:36,558 --> 00:38:38,026 Hello? 740 00:38:38,059 --> 00:38:39,193 Hey, is this Will? 741 00:38:39,227 --> 00:38:41,396 And I heard myself say "Hello?" 742 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:42,330 - Hey, Will. - How are ya? 743 00:38:42,363 --> 00:38:43,231 Hey, how are you? 744 00:38:43,297 --> 00:38:44,032 I'm good, thanks. 745 00:38:44,065 --> 00:38:45,199 Did you get the dogs walked? 746 00:38:45,233 --> 00:38:47,235 And I had to immediately-- I-- I... 747 00:38:47,301 --> 00:38:48,236 I was done. 748 00:38:48,269 --> 00:38:51,440 I didn't wanna play that game anymore. 749 00:38:55,610 --> 00:38:59,280 It's not a place I like to live. 750 00:39:06,655 --> 00:39:10,291 I don't like knowing that I could have been the last person 751 00:39:10,358 --> 00:39:14,596 that this guy had a conversation with, 752 00:39:14,663 --> 00:39:17,466 outside of when police showed up. 753 00:39:19,501 --> 00:39:24,072 This was something I had started to pack up as nicely 754 00:39:24,105 --> 00:39:26,107 as I could and... 755 00:39:26,641 --> 00:39:29,077 bury as far... 756 00:39:29,110 --> 00:39:31,480 back as possible. 757 00:39:35,584 --> 00:39:39,120 And then, I heard from you. 758 00:39:43,725 --> 00:39:47,095 I was watching the six o'clock news that day, 759 00:39:47,128 --> 00:39:49,631 and there was a short report 760 00:39:49,664 --> 00:39:52,701 of a man dying, 761 00:39:52,734 --> 00:39:54,569 and I just thought, 762 00:39:54,603 --> 00:39:58,540 "How does somebody die in 763 00:39:58,573 --> 00:40:01,710 the production of a television show?" 764 00:40:02,577 --> 00:40:04,679 It's all supposed to be about justice, 765 00:40:04,746 --> 00:40:07,281 but a News 8 investigation shows that when the motives 766 00:40:07,315 --> 00:40:10,485 of the media and law enforcement get confused, 767 00:40:10,552 --> 00:40:12,086 justice can be meager, 768 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,288 and, in this case, tragic. 769 00:40:14,322 --> 00:40:16,290 We were one of the first new organizations to 770 00:40:16,324 --> 00:40:19,327 investigate To Catch a Predator in Texas. 771 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,631 They seemed to have elements of kind of a traveling circus; 772 00:40:22,664 --> 00:40:27,736 they would go to a town, they would troll for bad guys. 773 00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:29,638 The Collin County DA, he said, "Well, 774 00:40:29,671 --> 00:40:33,107 are the police working for the TV show? 775 00:40:33,141 --> 00:40:35,677 Who's employed by whom?" 776 00:40:35,744 --> 00:40:40,549 All of that led to big questions from John Roach. 777 00:40:41,282 --> 00:40:44,519 The Murphy Police Department contacted us about 778 00:40:44,553 --> 00:40:46,721 being part of this To Catch a Predator. 779 00:40:46,788 --> 00:40:48,523 We responded in writing and told them we weren't 780 00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:50,692 gonna do it, advised them not to do it, 781 00:40:50,725 --> 00:40:52,694 they were making a huge mistake, 782 00:40:52,727 --> 00:40:54,629 and the phrase we used: 783 00:40:54,663 --> 00:40:57,666 "We're in the law enforcement business, not show business." 784 00:40:57,699 --> 00:41:01,369 Well, they ignored us, and went ahead and did it anyway. 785 00:41:01,435 --> 00:41:05,339 We got into it and found out that some policemen were 786 00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:08,810 wearing a camera -- this was way before body cameras -- 787 00:41:08,843 --> 00:41:12,714 simply to give an action-packed shot when their confrontation 788 00:41:12,747 --> 00:41:14,148 went down. 789 00:41:14,182 --> 00:41:16,350 Bill Conradt was a former Kaufman County 790 00:41:16,384 --> 00:41:17,385 District Attorney. 791 00:41:17,451 --> 00:41:19,688 Now, his sister, Patricia Conradt, 792 00:41:19,721 --> 00:41:23,491 is suing NBC for $105 million. 793 00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:27,395 The entertainment industry cannot act as police, 794 00:41:27,428 --> 00:41:30,832 judge, jury, executioner. 795 00:41:31,666 --> 00:41:34,603 Then, 20/20 did a national story, 796 00:41:34,669 --> 00:41:35,704 stemming from our investigation. 797 00:41:35,737 --> 00:41:37,505 Hello, and welcome to 20/20. 798 00:41:37,538 --> 00:41:40,174 It's riveting television -- the sight of alleged pedophiles 799 00:41:40,208 --> 00:41:42,476 being caught in a sting, cornered, 800 00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:44,412 thrown to the ground and cuffed. 801 00:41:44,445 --> 00:41:46,447 It's all part of a popular NBC series, 802 00:41:46,514 --> 00:41:49,183 but now, there are serious questions about what goes on 803 00:41:49,217 --> 00:41:50,451 behind the scenes. 804 00:41:50,518 --> 00:41:54,422 As Murphy police detectives, Sam Love and Walt Weiss 805 00:41:54,455 --> 00:41:56,390 played a big role in the operation. 806 00:41:56,424 --> 00:41:57,826 Did you intend to have sex with her? 807 00:41:57,859 --> 00:41:59,861 Both men were seen on the program interrogating 808 00:41:59,894 --> 00:42:03,598 suspects, at times, they say, following directions from the 809 00:42:03,665 --> 00:42:04,866 Dateline producer. 810 00:42:04,899 --> 00:42:06,701 By God, when they wanted a camera in place, 811 00:42:06,735 --> 00:42:08,236 it was there. 812 00:42:08,269 --> 00:42:11,606 When they wanted certain things carried out that made it easier 813 00:42:11,673 --> 00:42:13,708 for them to put the television show together, 814 00:42:13,742 --> 00:42:15,610 by God, that problem was addressed. 815 00:42:15,677 --> 00:42:18,713 But the criminal cases were secondary. 816 00:42:19,848 --> 00:42:21,816 Chris Hansen came back to the department and the 817 00:42:21,883 --> 00:42:25,219 police are running up wanting to get pictures for 'em. 818 00:42:25,253 --> 00:42:27,722 I grabbed the camera and took the pictures, 819 00:42:27,756 --> 00:42:29,423 and they asked me, "What about you?" 820 00:42:29,457 --> 00:42:31,259 and I said, "No. 821 00:42:31,292 --> 00:42:33,294 I'm cool." 822 00:42:34,295 --> 00:42:35,830 That's not our boss. 823 00:42:35,897 --> 00:42:37,231 He is not a police officer, 824 00:42:37,265 --> 00:42:38,767 he's not a prosecuting attorney. 825 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,836 They're running a TV show! 826 00:42:41,903 --> 00:42:44,572 And it looked more and more and more like... 827 00:42:44,605 --> 00:42:47,809 somebody was being given carte blanche to come in and direct 828 00:42:47,842 --> 00:42:51,312 operations at the police department. 829 00:42:51,813 --> 00:42:53,815 Chris Hansen is acting as an agent of the 830 00:42:53,848 --> 00:42:55,917 police in this instance. 831 00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,252 He's interrogating them! 832 00:42:58,286 --> 00:43:00,454 Are you her father or something like that? 833 00:43:00,488 --> 00:43:01,656 I'll get to that in a minute. 834 00:43:01,723 --> 00:43:04,492 Are you a private investigator or police or...? 835 00:43:04,525 --> 00:43:05,660 I'll get to that in just a minute. 836 00:43:05,694 --> 00:43:07,295 Am I gonna go to jail? 837 00:43:07,328 --> 00:43:08,262 That's not up to me. 838 00:43:08,296 --> 00:43:10,531 And the police are gonna use that information -- 839 00:43:10,598 --> 00:43:12,300 they're gonna submit it to the prosecutor -- 840 00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:14,468 so this perpetrator, 841 00:43:14,502 --> 00:43:16,671 he doesn't know that he has a right not to talk, 842 00:43:16,738 --> 00:43:17,806 he has a right to have an attorney, 843 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:18,973 all those things. 844 00:43:19,007 --> 00:43:21,542 I'm looking at the transcripts, so it's best not to lie, 845 00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:22,844 okay? 846 00:43:22,877 --> 00:43:24,913 I've read the whole thing, so you might as well just tell me. 847 00:43:24,946 --> 00:43:28,482 It was just perfectly clear that these cases were not 848 00:43:28,516 --> 00:43:30,551 prosecutable. 849 00:43:36,524 --> 00:43:37,826 They went over there and did that at that 850 00:43:37,859 --> 00:43:41,863 house because it would do something for the show, 851 00:43:41,896 --> 00:43:44,966 not something for society, not something in the interest of 852 00:43:44,999 --> 00:43:46,835 law enforcement. 853 00:43:46,868 --> 00:43:49,838 And the role that I played in it, 854 00:43:49,871 --> 00:43:52,841 that's a stain on my soul... 855 00:43:52,874 --> 00:43:54,976 that I'm gonna live with... 856 00:43:55,676 --> 00:43:59,380 if I'm any kind of a human being at all. 857 00:44:00,548 --> 00:44:02,383 Uh... 858 00:44:04,786 --> 00:44:06,554 I... 859 00:44:06,587 --> 00:44:08,757 I coulda shut that thing down -- 860 00:44:08,823 --> 00:44:11,325 at least that part of it -- just simply by walking out 861 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,428 the back door and going to see somebody. 862 00:44:15,596 --> 00:44:17,866 I don't know what else I have to tell, 863 00:44:17,899 --> 00:44:19,533 but if you have any more questions, 864 00:44:19,567 --> 00:44:21,903 I'll sit for 'em. 865 00:44:31,045 --> 00:44:32,781 It did. 866 00:44:33,848 --> 00:44:34,916 *exciting rock music 867 00:44:34,983 --> 00:44:36,584 - This is a nice house. - Thank you! 868 00:44:36,617 --> 00:44:37,651 Nice house, 869 00:44:37,685 --> 00:44:38,887 and guess who's home. 870 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,588 Why don't you have a seat right there, please? 871 00:44:40,621 --> 00:44:41,589 Get ready. 872 00:44:41,655 --> 00:44:42,757 Here come the cops. 873 00:44:42,824 --> 00:44:43,958 - Roll over. - Get on the ground! 874 00:44:44,025 --> 00:44:45,059 Hands behind your back now! 875 00:44:45,093 --> 00:44:47,996 - I guess I'm under arrest, huh? - You think? 876 00:44:48,029 --> 00:44:49,864 Also tonight, something that has never 877 00:44:49,898 --> 00:44:51,933 happened before. 878 00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,036 Police move in on a surprising suspect, 879 00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:57,405 and there are deadly consequences. 880 00:44:57,438 --> 00:44:58,807 We all knew who he was. 881 00:44:58,873 --> 00:45:01,943 Nobody anticipated the kind of outcome that resulted. 882 00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:05,613 Mm, and I talked to Dateline's Chris Hansen about this tragic 883 00:45:05,646 --> 00:45:06,781 turn of events, 884 00:45:06,815 --> 00:45:09,918 and this was his reaction to what unfolded that day. 885 00:45:09,951 --> 00:45:12,620 Everybody on the scene would have rather, 886 00:45:12,653 --> 00:45:15,957 uh, have had, uh, Bill Conradt tell his side of the story, 887 00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:18,893 and, if necessary, have his day in court, 888 00:45:18,927 --> 00:45:21,896 but that's not the choice he made. 889 00:45:22,063 --> 00:45:23,431 No, it certainly wasn't. 890 00:45:23,464 --> 00:45:26,634 Make sure you catch Dateline's next predator investigation 891 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:27,601 Tuesday night. 892 00:45:27,635 --> 00:45:30,839 And, coming up, oops, she left it again! 893 00:45:30,905 --> 00:45:33,674 Britney's second stint in rehab's over and done with, 894 00:45:33,741 --> 00:45:38,046 so can anyone or anything convince her to get the help 895 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,447 she so desperately needs? 896 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,452 But first, Jay Leno shows us the latest hero to hit NBC's... 897 00:45:44,485 --> 00:45:45,619 must-see SC! 898 00:45:45,653 --> 00:45:47,488 It's comin' up next! 899 00:45:49,123 --> 00:45:50,992 *I need a hero 900 00:45:51,025 --> 00:45:53,694 *I'm holding out for a he--* 901 00:45:54,762 --> 00:45:56,764 Good God. 902 00:45:58,466 --> 00:46:01,669 He's standing down the hallway with a handgun in his hand -- 903 00:46:01,702 --> 00:46:03,471 a small caliber gun -- and he says, "I'm not gonna hurt you 904 00:46:03,504 --> 00:46:04,973 guys," and puts the... 905 00:46:05,006 --> 00:46:06,841 gun to his head and shoots himself. 906 00:46:06,908 --> 00:46:08,009 Wow. 907 00:46:08,042 --> 00:46:10,444 So, obviously, they've confiscated the computers from 908 00:46:10,478 --> 00:46:11,679 him home, and they're-- you know, 909 00:46:11,712 --> 00:46:13,014 investigators are going through those now. 910 00:46:13,081 --> 00:46:14,015 Okay. 911 00:46:14,048 --> 00:46:16,017 And, uh, now, this book comes out, uh... 912 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:17,986 To Catch a Predator, this has a lot of tips for... 913 00:46:18,019 --> 00:46:19,087 It does, it does. 914 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,154 You know... 915 00:46:20,188 --> 00:46:22,690 There was no debrief, 916 00:46:22,756 --> 00:46:25,960 no sense of "Let's talk about how this happened 917 00:46:25,994 --> 00:46:29,030 and what kind of culpability we have or anyone else -- 918 00:46:29,063 --> 00:46:30,865 police -- have. 919 00:46:30,932 --> 00:46:31,866 There was none of that. 920 00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:33,501 Meanwhile, back at the house, 921 00:46:33,534 --> 00:46:35,703 men continue to show up. 922 00:46:35,736 --> 00:46:36,938 Come on in! 923 00:46:36,971 --> 00:46:38,839 How you doing? 924 00:46:38,873 --> 00:46:40,074 Because I'm not there, 925 00:46:40,141 --> 00:46:43,044 the decoy invites a suspect to come up to the house, 926 00:46:43,077 --> 00:46:44,845 but then quickly locks the door. 927 00:46:44,879 --> 00:46:47,848 There's one more potential predator we'd like you to meet. 928 00:46:47,882 --> 00:46:49,884 The show ended after six more episodes, 929 00:46:49,951 --> 00:46:53,021 but, if anything, it had people watching more. 930 00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:58,893 Reruns of it continued to air for years. 931 00:46:58,927 --> 00:47:02,997 All the episodes went online when that technology developed. 932 00:47:03,031 --> 00:47:06,034 So, even though the show ended, 933 00:47:06,067 --> 00:47:09,137 that didn't seem to lessen the show's appeal. 934 00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:10,972 This girl was how old? 935 00:47:15,076 --> 00:47:18,779 Did they learn things from what happened in Murphy? 936 00:47:20,014 --> 00:47:22,050 I don't know. 937 00:47:26,587 --> 00:47:28,089 They're still out there doing the show, 938 00:47:28,156 --> 00:47:29,757 are they not? 939 00:47:29,790 --> 00:47:31,960 What's happening with it? 940 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:40,101 Are you inside yet? 941 00:47:40,168 --> 00:47:41,569 I'm outside, yes. 942 00:47:41,602 --> 00:47:42,803 Okay, well... 943 00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:46,074 like I said, just meet me by the milk, okay? 944 00:47:46,107 --> 00:47:47,075 All right, let's go. 945 00:47:58,286 --> 00:47:59,187 Hey. 946 00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:00,788 I'm the 12-year-old boy you came to fuck with. 947 00:48:00,821 --> 00:48:02,123 You're gonna get smacked if you walk away. 948 00:48:02,190 --> 00:48:03,591 - Hey, what was you gonna do? - Tell the fucking truth! 949 00:48:03,624 --> 00:48:04,592 Don't lie, bro! 950 00:48:04,625 --> 00:48:06,094 Excuse me, everybody! 951 00:48:06,127 --> 00:48:09,197 This guy's here to meet a 12-year-old boy! 952 00:48:20,608 --> 00:48:25,613 *tense minimal music 953 00:48:25,813 --> 00:48:27,015 Since To Catch a Predator, 954 00:48:27,081 --> 00:48:30,784 there have been tons of predator catch groups online: 955 00:48:30,818 --> 00:48:34,622 regular everyday civilians going out and catching these 956 00:48:34,655 --> 00:48:36,824 predators who are trying to meet up with boys and girls. 957 00:48:36,857 --> 00:48:39,127 This man is here to meet a 13-year-old boy! 958 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,795 There's usually a lot of yelling... 959 00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:43,164 rape a little boy! 960 00:48:43,197 --> 00:48:46,134 They're getting very aggressive with the predator. 961 00:48:46,167 --> 00:48:47,868 This man is trying to pick up a little boy on the 962 00:48:47,935 --> 00:48:48,969 internet! 963 00:48:51,172 --> 00:48:53,107 Excuse me, everybody! 964 00:48:53,141 --> 00:48:55,809 This man's here to meet a 14-year-old girl! 965 00:48:55,843 --> 00:48:58,179 It's great that they're catching people, 966 00:48:58,212 --> 00:49:02,316 but I was like, "Why is no one doing the whole Chris Hansen 967 00:49:02,350 --> 00:49:04,852 thing -- like, dressing up in the blazer and printing out the 968 00:49:04,885 --> 00:49:06,654 chat logs?" 969 00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:11,892 He's sharp, he's witty, he has a sense of humor. 970 00:49:13,894 --> 00:49:16,630 I was like, "You know, I'm gonna... 971 00:49:16,664 --> 00:49:18,832 impersonate Chris Hansen the best I can, 972 00:49:18,866 --> 00:49:21,702 and see if people like it." 973 00:49:24,972 --> 00:49:26,874 All right, so, here we are again, 974 00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:28,342 in Grand Rapids. 975 00:49:28,376 --> 00:49:30,044 We have T Coy the Decoy here. 976 00:49:30,111 --> 00:49:32,846 This is our potential predator; he is on his way. 977 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,284 He's gonna be here in just a few minutes. 978 00:49:40,054 --> 00:49:41,255 He said seven minutes away. 979 00:49:41,322 --> 00:49:42,190 Seven minutes away, Skeet. 980 00:49:42,223 --> 00:49:44,258 Let's get into positions. 981 00:49:46,327 --> 00:49:47,928 Okay. 982 00:49:56,036 --> 00:49:58,005 Okay, okay. 983 00:50:04,278 --> 00:50:07,081 Yay! 984 00:50:30,971 --> 00:50:31,905 Do you wanna go get food? 985 00:50:31,939 --> 00:50:33,107 Or, wait, are we going to your house, 986 00:50:33,174 --> 00:50:35,276 or are we just gonna stay here? 987 00:50:37,945 --> 00:50:39,313 How are you? 988 00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:40,948 What the fuck is this? 989 00:50:40,981 --> 00:50:43,251 Uh, sir, I'm with the Predatorial Investigation Unit. 990 00:50:43,284 --> 00:50:45,219 We do have the police on standby. 991 00:50:46,954 --> 00:50:48,289 I just have a few questions for you. 992 00:50:48,322 --> 00:50:49,056 So do you-- 993 00:50:49,089 --> 00:50:50,358 Can I please just leave? 994 00:50:50,391 --> 00:50:51,459 Do you have an ID on you? 995 00:50:51,492 --> 00:50:53,261 - Can I please just leave? - I just have-- 996 00:50:53,294 --> 00:50:55,329 I will never come back and you'll never 997 00:50:55,396 --> 00:50:56,464 hear from me again. 998 00:50:56,497 --> 00:50:58,199 Well, help me understand first what is... 999 00:50:58,232 --> 00:50:59,267 We just wanna ask some questions. 1000 00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:01,935 You made the decision to come in here. 1001 00:51:01,969 --> 00:51:04,805 Can I make the decision to leave? 1002 00:51:06,006 --> 00:51:10,278 Well, it's going to be up to the police to decide, 1003 00:51:10,311 --> 00:51:13,013 and when they arrive in just a few minutes... 1004 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,948 - What?! - We'll go over that. 1005 00:51:14,982 --> 00:51:16,284 What?! No! 1006 00:51:16,317 --> 00:51:17,951 I mean, I think it's best we all just, 1007 00:51:17,985 --> 00:51:21,021 you know, wait here. 1008 00:51:23,291 --> 00:51:24,792 I mean, you can feel free to, you know, 1009 00:51:24,825 --> 00:51:27,328 look through it, but these are basically all the highlights of 1010 00:51:27,361 --> 00:51:28,061 - the... - Okay. 1011 00:51:28,095 --> 00:51:29,430 - Things he was saying. - I see. 1012 00:51:29,463 --> 00:51:30,564 Yeah, that's pretty much... 1013 00:51:30,598 --> 00:51:31,365 Yeah, let me take pictures of that real quick for our 1014 00:51:31,432 --> 00:51:33,301 - evidence server. - Sure. 1015 00:51:33,334 --> 00:51:35,436 There's a phone call with him as well. 1016 00:51:35,469 --> 00:51:36,337 He says multiple times, 1017 00:51:36,404 --> 00:51:37,438 he talks about To Catch a Predator, 1018 00:51:37,471 --> 00:51:39,139 "I don't wanna get in trouble." 1019 00:51:39,173 --> 00:51:39,807 Here, I'm just gonna set this down. 1020 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,842 Yeah, go for it. 1021 00:51:45,112 --> 00:51:49,250 Our alleged predator in the Sheriff's truck. 1022 00:51:50,117 --> 00:51:51,819 And we're gonna wait around and see, 1023 00:51:51,852 --> 00:51:53,221 you know, what's going to happen. 1024 00:51:53,287 --> 00:51:56,357 Get a shot of, like, the concerned citizens around here. 1025 00:51:57,458 --> 00:51:58,826 You guys got more stuff lined up or...? 1026 00:51:58,859 --> 00:52:01,795 Yeah, we've got I think one or two more lined up for 1027 00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:03,397 - tonight. - Yes, sir. 1028 00:52:03,464 --> 00:52:04,365 All right, well... 1029 00:52:04,398 --> 00:52:06,200 Anything happening with this guy, or...? 1030 00:52:06,234 --> 00:52:08,001 - I have no idea. - Okay. 1031 00:52:08,035 --> 00:52:10,371 Once everything gets put into a pile, 1032 00:52:10,438 --> 00:52:12,373 the detectives look at it, and they. 1033 00:52:12,406 --> 00:52:13,341 - Gotcha. - All right. 1034 00:52:13,374 --> 00:52:16,143 Thank you so much, sir, appreciate it. 1035 00:52:16,877 --> 00:52:19,079 See you in a half hour! 1036 00:52:21,849 --> 00:52:25,018 If you upload a predator catch video, 1037 00:52:25,052 --> 00:52:26,387 and you don't have police in it, 1038 00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:28,256 they're taking it down. 1039 00:52:28,322 --> 00:52:32,192 But it doesn't even have to be real police presence. 1040 00:52:32,226 --> 00:52:35,396 If you've got some fake, uh, police light overlay right 1041 00:52:35,429 --> 00:52:40,033 there, and there's my good friend Chet. 1042 00:52:40,067 --> 00:52:42,069 Yeah, we just dress him as a police officer, 1043 00:52:42,102 --> 00:52:44,472 we had a badge there, it says "Officer," 1044 00:52:44,505 --> 00:52:48,041 but it says "Security" on the bottom side -- it's not even... 1045 00:52:48,075 --> 00:52:49,410 Yeah, it's, like, totally fake. 1046 00:52:49,443 --> 00:52:51,412 And you put in all these sound effects, 1047 00:52:51,445 --> 00:52:53,881 and we gave him a walkie talkie, and his shirt says 1048 00:52:53,914 --> 00:52:57,217 "Police," so, to YouTube's eyes, when they look at this, 1049 00:52:57,251 --> 00:53:00,288 they're gonna see a badge and that it says "Police." 1050 00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:08,296 He's a journalist, you know, 1051 00:53:08,362 --> 00:53:10,063 and I'm kind of just, uh... 1052 00:53:10,097 --> 00:53:11,265 I think I'll always, for the most part, 1053 00:53:11,299 --> 00:53:13,166 just be looked at as... 1054 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,070 a YouTuber who's just-- just does it for the clicks and the 1055 00:53:17,104 --> 00:53:19,106 likes and the views and all that. 1056 00:53:19,139 --> 00:53:22,443 But he was, you know, my first inspiration for doing this sort 1057 00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:24,211 of thing. 1058 00:53:25,112 --> 00:53:28,916 There's never been a detective that solved a murder that 1059 00:53:28,949 --> 00:53:30,418 didn't get paid for it, 1060 00:53:30,451 --> 00:53:32,119 so... 1061 00:53:32,152 --> 00:53:35,456 why shouldn't I be able to monetize off of, um... 1062 00:53:35,523 --> 00:53:38,326 catching these guys like the original show, 1063 00:53:38,392 --> 00:53:42,229 and making this content for people's entertainment? 1064 00:53:44,131 --> 00:53:46,166 Who's the baby? 1065 00:53:49,537 --> 00:53:50,438 Are ya chilly? 1066 00:53:50,471 --> 00:53:53,541 Do ya need a shirt, baby boy? 1067 00:53:57,244 --> 00:53:59,246 Go live. 1068 00:54:02,182 --> 00:54:04,952 I'm not gonna force ya to do nothing. 1069 00:54:05,319 --> 00:54:08,322 I'm glad you're my boyfriend, though. 1070 00:54:08,822 --> 00:54:12,159 We could go to a mall somewhere. 1071 00:54:12,192 --> 00:54:14,395 Yeah, okay. 1072 00:54:14,728 --> 00:54:19,567 It is funny to watch people that do bad things... 1073 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:21,469 crumble, 1074 00:54:21,502 --> 00:54:22,503 get hurt. 1075 00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:23,837 It's laughable. 1076 00:54:23,871 --> 00:54:28,141 It is fucking funny when a bad person gets what is coming to 1077 00:54:28,175 --> 00:54:31,178 them, however you wanna look at it. 1078 00:54:31,211 --> 00:54:32,580 Um... 1079 00:54:32,613 --> 00:54:33,514 it's awesome. 1080 00:54:33,581 --> 00:54:36,183 It is. 1081 00:54:36,216 --> 00:54:37,618 Right? 1082 00:54:37,951 --> 00:54:40,388 "Are you hairless? 1083 00:54:42,990 --> 00:54:46,494 When's the last time you had sex?" 1084 00:54:47,294 --> 00:54:49,497 If I can talk to these guys for 16 hours 1085 00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:53,233 a day -- like, if they are engaging -- 1086 00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:56,437 they're not engaging with somebody's kid. 1087 00:54:59,206 --> 00:55:01,542 Um, I was requested to do it. 1088 00:55:01,609 --> 00:55:04,512 I'm a victim -- or survivor, whatever you wanna call it -- 1089 00:55:04,545 --> 00:55:06,547 but, um... 1090 00:55:06,580 --> 00:55:11,351 you know, I, myself, was taken advantage by a child predator, 1091 00:55:11,385 --> 00:55:12,986 so... 1092 00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:14,187 um... 1093 00:55:14,221 --> 00:55:15,656 Sorry, I'm, like, looking away. 1094 00:55:15,689 --> 00:55:17,190 Uh... 1095 00:55:17,224 --> 00:55:19,627 But somebody -- another catcher, actually -- was like, 1096 00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:20,994 "Hey, I think you would be good at this," 1097 00:55:21,028 --> 00:55:22,463 'cause I talk... 1098 00:55:22,496 --> 00:55:23,564 I come with, like, sound effects. 1099 00:55:23,631 --> 00:55:25,999 Like, my personality, when I'm doing something, 1100 00:55:26,033 --> 00:55:26,967 I'm like doo-doo-doo-doo. 1101 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,403 Like, I just-- I talk weird, I love dogs, 1102 00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:32,039 I'm always talking in this, like, weird little... 1103 00:55:32,072 --> 00:55:35,709 voice that I talk to animals in, and I think it was, like... 1104 00:55:35,743 --> 00:55:36,710 "You're a character. 1105 00:55:36,744 --> 00:55:39,279 Like, you could play a character" kind of thing. 1106 00:55:43,316 --> 00:55:46,286 Oh, it makes me feel-- it makes me feel good because... 1107 00:55:46,353 --> 00:55:48,689 you know, I subject myself to this, like, 1108 00:55:48,722 --> 00:55:50,724 perversion all day. 1109 00:55:50,758 --> 00:55:52,560 And it's like, um... 1110 00:55:52,593 --> 00:55:54,595 I don't know, you finally just get to, like, 1111 00:55:54,662 --> 00:55:58,031 fuckin' squash the bug or I-- I don't know, 1112 00:55:58,065 --> 00:55:59,232 um... 1113 00:55:59,266 --> 00:56:00,434 That's why, in some of my things, 1114 00:56:00,501 --> 00:56:03,604 I'm like-- I sound so immature because there's, 1115 00:56:03,637 --> 00:56:06,574 like-- there's a little kid in me that's like, 1116 00:56:06,607 --> 00:56:08,442 "Yes! Fuck you!" 1117 00:56:08,509 --> 00:56:10,444 You know what I mean? Like... 1118 00:56:10,511 --> 00:56:11,579 And I start... 1119 00:56:11,612 --> 00:56:15,716 yelling and-- and acting immature because... 1120 00:56:15,749 --> 00:56:18,318 I feel like that's what I would've wanted to do, like, 1121 00:56:18,385 --> 00:56:21,622 back then -- like, embarrass them. 1122 00:56:22,322 --> 00:56:23,691 How are you? 1123 00:56:25,526 --> 00:56:26,393 Uh, sir, I'm with the, uh, 1124 00:56:26,426 --> 00:56:28,295 Predatorial Investigation Unit. 1125 00:56:28,328 --> 00:56:30,263 We do have the police on standby. 1126 00:56:30,297 --> 00:56:32,099 What's your name? 1127 00:56:32,132 --> 00:56:34,267 I genuinely believe that they believe that they're 1128 00:56:34,301 --> 00:56:35,669 doing the right thing in getting these predators 1129 00:56:35,736 --> 00:56:37,738 off the street. 1130 00:56:37,771 --> 00:56:40,407 It's the means that trouble me. 1131 00:56:41,341 --> 00:56:43,076 Because of the work I've been doing for, 1132 00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:45,312 what, 20 years now with different groups of 1133 00:56:45,345 --> 00:56:47,114 people in... 1134 00:56:47,147 --> 00:56:49,650 in different types of challenging circumstances, 1135 00:56:49,683 --> 00:56:51,619 my interest is always in seeing the humanity -- 1136 00:56:51,652 --> 00:56:53,654 the complexity -- 1137 00:56:53,721 --> 00:56:58,358 whereas they can only do what they do because they refuse to. 1138 00:57:00,628 --> 00:57:02,630 I don't think I'm any more moral than any of these 1139 00:57:02,663 --> 00:57:05,465 people are; it's... maybe more sensitive? 1140 00:57:05,499 --> 00:57:07,735 I don't know what it is, but... 1141 00:57:48,676 --> 00:57:50,410 - How are you? - Aw, fuck me. 1142 00:57:50,477 --> 00:57:51,579 Yeah, "Fuck me" is right. 1143 00:57:51,645 --> 00:57:52,680 Sir, go and have a seat right here. 1144 00:57:52,713 --> 00:57:55,348 - Oh, don't... - It's okay, it's okay. 1145 00:57:55,382 --> 00:57:56,483 You're good, nobody is gonna hurt you. 1146 00:57:56,516 --> 00:57:57,517 No, no, we're not gonna hurt you, we just wanna talk. 1147 00:57:57,551 --> 00:57:58,552 We have the police on standby. 1148 00:57:58,619 --> 00:58:00,654 Please just have a seat right there. 1149 00:58:00,688 --> 00:58:02,389 We just wanna talk, man. It's okay, just breathe. 1150 00:58:02,422 --> 00:58:03,390 Yeah, just breathe. It's okay. 1151 00:58:03,423 --> 00:58:04,391 Breathe. Deep breaths. 1152 00:58:04,457 --> 00:58:06,594 I got a water for you. I've got a water. 1153 00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:08,395 I don't wanna touch you, but I've got a water for you. 1154 00:58:08,428 --> 00:58:09,429 Don't touch me. 1155 00:58:09,496 --> 00:58:10,698 It's okay, nobody's gonna touch you. 1156 00:58:10,731 --> 00:58:12,365 We just wanna talk. 1157 00:58:12,399 --> 00:58:14,167 I don't wanna lose everything. 1158 00:58:14,201 --> 00:58:15,235 We just wanna talk. 1159 00:58:15,268 --> 00:58:16,503 So just think about your actions right now 1160 00:58:16,536 --> 00:58:19,172 before you do something crazy. Just breathe, drink the water. 1161 00:58:19,206 --> 00:58:20,407 It was sealed. 1162 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:21,642 I'm trying to help you. 1163 00:58:21,675 --> 00:58:23,677 I have spent so much of my life to try to get 1164 00:58:23,711 --> 00:58:25,813 off this pattern. 1165 00:58:29,216 --> 00:58:30,618 Okay. 1166 00:58:30,684 --> 00:58:34,221 Well, after today, you know, you're gonna... 1167 00:58:34,254 --> 00:58:36,790 Well, I hope, at least, that you're going to take the steps 1168 00:58:36,857 --> 00:58:38,425 that you need to take to... 1169 00:58:38,491 --> 00:58:39,426 better yourself. 1170 00:58:39,492 --> 00:58:40,460 If you guys know programs, 1171 00:58:40,527 --> 00:58:41,695 I'll take suggestions too. 1172 00:58:41,729 --> 00:58:43,597 'Cause I honestly just don't know where to go from this, 1173 00:58:43,664 --> 00:58:44,732 other than... 1174 00:58:44,765 --> 00:58:47,467 other than the right steps, not going backwards. 1175 00:58:47,534 --> 00:58:49,402 - I don't have... - I'm sure we could-- 1176 00:58:49,436 --> 00:58:50,638 The capacity to go backwards. 1177 00:58:50,704 --> 00:58:53,206 I'm sure we could pull a few strings and... 1178 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,775 see if there's anything we can... 1179 00:58:54,808 --> 00:58:56,644 align for ya. 1180 00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:58,612 I can't afford to lose my job. 1181 00:58:58,646 --> 00:59:01,481 I can't afford to lose everything I've worked for, 1182 00:59:01,548 --> 00:59:04,451 every friend I've had will just... 1183 00:59:04,618 --> 00:59:06,787 I can't. 1184 00:59:06,820 --> 00:59:08,622 I don't know... 1185 00:59:08,689 --> 00:59:10,791 don't know how much longer I'd be around if I do. 1186 00:59:10,858 --> 00:59:12,793 I really... 1187 00:59:12,826 --> 00:59:14,227 I just don't-- 1188 00:59:14,261 --> 00:59:16,630 We don't want it to come to anything like that. 1189 00:59:16,697 --> 00:59:18,899 I don't either, 'cause I want to be around my son. 1190 00:59:18,932 --> 00:59:20,233 - I just... - Okay. 1191 00:59:20,267 --> 00:59:23,536 I just don't wanna be at this point of life. 1192 00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:24,437 Yeah. 1193 00:59:24,471 --> 00:59:25,238 Well, we're gonna... 1194 00:59:25,272 --> 00:59:26,640 Nobody wants to be a rock bottom. 1195 00:59:26,707 --> 00:59:29,643 No, I mean, we're gonna pull some strings and see if we can, 1196 00:59:29,710 --> 00:59:31,478 you know, get... 1197 00:59:31,544 --> 00:59:34,314 You someone that you can talk to. 1198 00:59:36,583 --> 00:59:38,852 But, Eric, if that's all you have to say for yourself, 1199 00:59:38,919 --> 00:59:40,120 then... 1200 00:59:40,153 --> 00:59:42,455 what I have to let you know is that I am Skeet Hansen with the 1201 00:59:42,489 --> 00:59:45,292 Predatorial Investigation Unit, 1202 00:59:45,325 --> 00:59:47,494 and we're doing an online series about adults who 1203 00:59:47,527 --> 00:59:48,796 try to meet... 1204 00:59:48,829 --> 00:59:51,665 underage girls online for sex, 1205 00:59:51,732 --> 00:59:53,801 and you've just been Skeeted. 1206 00:59:53,834 --> 00:59:56,469 If there's anything else you have to say again, 1207 00:59:56,503 --> 00:59:58,672 you know, we'd love to hear it. 1208 00:59:59,172 --> 01:00:03,310 If not, then, um, our friends in the Grand Rapids Police 1209 01:00:03,343 --> 01:00:06,747 Department will be here shortly, and... 1210 01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:09,683 they're going to address the situation and see if... 1211 01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:11,952 they can point you in the right direction to... 1212 01:00:11,985 --> 01:00:13,821 See if they can help get out on track. 1213 01:00:13,854 --> 01:00:15,889 Exactly, to get you on track. 1214 01:00:15,956 --> 01:00:17,557 Yeah. 1215 01:00:29,636 --> 01:00:31,772 We all good? 1216 01:02:38,665 --> 01:02:39,967 Well, uh... 1217 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,703 that was some heavy shit. 1218 01:02:44,704 --> 01:02:46,639 That was crazy. 1219 01:02:46,673 --> 01:02:49,642 He said he's seen one of my videos before at some point! 1220 01:02:49,676 --> 01:02:51,879 And he was laughing at it! Laughing at how... 1221 01:02:51,945 --> 01:02:53,780 dumb these guys are! 1222 01:02:59,086 --> 01:03:00,453 He did say that! 1223 01:03:00,487 --> 01:03:03,023 I don't know if I can agree fully 'cause TCaP is... 1224 01:03:03,056 --> 01:03:05,492 the OG, but... 1225 01:03:05,692 --> 01:03:09,529 you know, I'm-- I'm flattered by Eric's words! 1226 01:03:10,697 --> 01:03:12,465 I actually kinda feel bad for this guy. 1227 01:03:12,499 --> 01:03:13,733 'Cause, like, he needs help. 1228 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,035 Like, obviously we know why he's here, right? 1229 01:03:15,102 --> 01:03:16,469 - So... - Yeah, well... 1230 01:03:16,503 --> 01:03:18,038 He's a monster for that, right? But... 1231 01:03:18,071 --> 01:03:19,706 he needs help. 1232 01:03:19,739 --> 01:03:20,707 He actually needs help. 1233 01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:22,042 So I hope... 1234 01:03:22,109 --> 01:03:24,711 like we said tonight, I hope that he gets the help he needs. 1235 01:03:24,777 --> 01:03:25,913 If this puts him on the straight and narrow and it 1236 01:03:25,979 --> 01:03:27,881 saves his life, then, as far as I'm concerned, 1237 01:03:27,948 --> 01:03:29,983 the last two years and change that we've been doing this is 1238 01:03:30,017 --> 01:03:31,518 - worth it. - Sure. 1239 01:03:31,551 --> 01:03:32,519 If we saved a life, that's... 1240 01:03:32,552 --> 01:03:34,521 - it's worth it. - That's it. 1241 01:03:34,554 --> 01:03:35,688 That's it. 1242 01:03:35,722 --> 01:03:38,091 A child's life and a predator's life; 1243 01:03:38,158 --> 01:03:39,927 look at that. 1244 01:04:09,122 --> 01:04:11,091 Great question, actually. Very... 1245 01:04:11,124 --> 01:04:14,027 You've thought about this a great deal, clearly. 1246 01:04:31,111 --> 01:04:33,180 Mm-hm, why are you? 1247 01:04:40,087 --> 01:04:42,055 Um... 1248 01:04:42,089 --> 01:04:45,758 I was abused by a child predator. 1249 01:04:45,792 --> 01:04:46,994 And... 1250 01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:48,761 for me, 1251 01:04:48,795 --> 01:04:53,166 I've been on a lifelong quest to understand... 1252 01:04:53,233 --> 01:04:56,836 how someone could do that. 1253 01:04:58,238 --> 01:05:02,075 And partly what drew me to the show when I was young... 1254 01:05:02,109 --> 01:05:05,845 was that first initial question Chris would ask: 1255 01:05:05,912 --> 01:05:08,848 - "Help me understand." - Mm-hm. 1256 01:05:10,017 --> 01:05:12,085 But the show never really answered that question 1257 01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:14,121 for me. 1258 01:05:15,655 --> 01:05:17,790 I don't think it was ever really interested in the 1259 01:05:17,824 --> 01:05:19,659 answer. 1260 01:05:20,260 --> 01:05:23,030 So the more I've learned, 1261 01:05:23,096 --> 01:05:26,666 the more I've been disappointed. 1262 01:05:29,869 --> 01:05:31,238 Wow. 1263 01:05:34,874 --> 01:05:37,844 - I'm-- I'm sorry. - No, it's, um... 1264 01:05:38,178 --> 01:05:40,280 For me, it's, um... 1265 01:05:40,313 --> 01:05:43,883 I do think it's taught me a lot of empathy. 1266 01:05:44,884 --> 01:05:48,655 And I'm sorry that the show tries to... 1267 01:05:48,688 --> 01:05:50,890 crush that. 1268 01:05:53,126 --> 01:05:55,162 Mm-hm. 1269 01:05:57,897 --> 01:05:59,166 You know, what you just said, 1270 01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,169 - this Chris Hansen question - - "Help me understand" -- 1271 01:06:02,202 --> 01:06:05,172 and that never being really answered, 1272 01:06:05,205 --> 01:06:08,841 'cause it's not really about understanding, 1273 01:06:08,875 --> 01:06:10,177 that reminded me; 1274 01:06:10,210 --> 01:06:13,313 when you look at stings -- 1275 01:06:13,346 --> 01:06:18,085 you know, where predators are confronted by hunters -- 1276 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,257 always, you find hunters asking, time and again, 1277 01:06:24,324 --> 01:06:25,225 "Why? 1278 01:06:25,258 --> 01:06:27,894 Why did you do that?" 1279 01:06:27,927 --> 01:06:29,696 You know, "What do you think would happen? 1280 01:06:29,729 --> 01:06:31,998 Why a child?" 1281 01:06:32,899 --> 01:06:34,934 And they keep asking the question because there's never 1282 01:06:35,001 --> 01:06:38,238 an answer forthcoming; there really never is. 1283 01:06:38,305 --> 01:06:41,241 And I wonder if that's maybe because the predator themselves 1284 01:06:41,274 --> 01:06:44,677 - himself, quite often -- doesn't know. 1285 01:06:44,711 --> 01:06:47,747 Just doesn't know, you know? 1286 01:06:54,154 --> 01:06:57,757 But understanding is not the goal of the show. 1287 01:07:14,941 --> 01:07:17,777 . 1288 01:07:19,312 --> 01:07:21,248 I honestly didn't even really realize that I was 1289 01:07:21,281 --> 01:07:24,917 a victim until I was in my 20s. 1290 01:07:24,951 --> 01:07:27,754 I also didn't realize until my 20s. 1291 01:07:27,787 --> 01:07:31,124 I watched To Catch a Predator in my dorm room, 1292 01:07:31,191 --> 01:07:34,127 and part of what my fascination was with it... 1293 01:07:34,194 --> 01:07:36,163 - was... - Watching them go down. 1294 01:07:36,229 --> 01:07:38,931 Trying very hard to understand... 1295 01:07:38,965 --> 01:07:41,301 how a human could do this to another human. 1296 01:07:41,334 --> 01:07:42,735 Mm-hm. 1297 01:07:42,769 --> 01:07:45,238 - Especially a child. - Yeah. 1298 01:07:46,439 --> 01:07:49,075 Anyone, though. 1299 01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:57,384 The grin on Skeeter's face is priceless. 1300 01:08:03,323 --> 01:08:06,359 I don't believe anything he's saying. 1301 01:08:06,426 --> 01:08:10,830 He just got two hours of free therapy with y'all. 1302 01:08:15,134 --> 01:08:19,138 God, he has, like, some evil-lookin' fuckin' eyes. 1303 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:21,241 Yeah? 1304 01:08:24,811 --> 01:08:27,013 I mean, I haven't even gotten this far yet, 1305 01:08:27,046 --> 01:08:28,981 because I'm just like... 1306 01:08:29,015 --> 01:08:30,016 "Whatev--" You know what I mean? 1307 01:08:30,049 --> 01:08:32,385 Everybody likes to fuck. 1308 01:08:32,452 --> 01:08:34,454 I don't understand why... 1309 01:08:34,487 --> 01:08:36,022 I mean, I guess sexual addiction is, like, 1310 01:08:36,088 --> 01:08:39,025 a real thing but... 1311 01:08:39,058 --> 01:08:39,992 I don't know. 1312 01:08:40,026 --> 01:08:42,229 I don't know about this guy. 1313 01:08:43,363 --> 01:08:46,098 He was there to do it. 1314 01:08:46,132 --> 01:08:49,068 And he even brought her alcohol. 1315 01:08:50,370 --> 01:08:53,072 Like, that's crazy. 1316 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,941 Mm. 1317 01:08:56,142 --> 01:08:58,311 Like, if you're gonna let a kid... 1318 01:08:58,345 --> 01:09:00,813 if you're gonna listen to a little kid's suggestion, 1319 01:09:00,847 --> 01:09:02,382 then... 1320 01:09:03,015 --> 01:09:05,084 I don't know, that's just... 1321 01:09:05,885 --> 01:09:07,887 dangerous. 1322 01:09:10,089 --> 01:09:11,358 But it is hard not to feel bad for him. 1323 01:09:11,391 --> 01:09:13,393 Maybe that's why I don't wanna watch-- maybe that's why 1324 01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:14,827 I, like, haven't... 1325 01:09:14,861 --> 01:09:17,063 gotten very far through this, 'cause I don't wanna sit here 1326 01:09:17,129 --> 01:09:19,466 and feel bad for him. 1327 01:09:20,166 --> 01:09:24,371 I am a human, even though I can be a bitch. 1328 01:09:25,872 --> 01:09:28,908 Like, I don't know why I feel bad for him. 1329 01:09:30,310 --> 01:09:33,179 I guess 'cause it's sad. 1330 01:09:53,366 --> 01:09:55,902 Hey, Chris, nice to see you. 1331 01:09:55,935 --> 01:10:00,106 *angelic harp music 1332 01:10:00,139 --> 01:10:01,441 Yeah. 1333 01:10:02,342 --> 01:10:05,144 Yeah, I've seen that. That's great. 1334 01:10:06,212 --> 01:10:08,481 I used to remember all the shoots and then... 1335 01:10:08,548 --> 01:10:10,883 they kind of fade together. 1336 01:10:10,917 --> 01:10:12,385 I'm sorry, David. 1337 01:10:12,419 --> 01:10:13,453 *** 1338 01:10:13,486 --> 01:10:16,389 You've got a little more room. 1339 01:10:18,591 --> 01:10:20,293 Keep going, keep going, keep going. 1340 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,094 Yup, oh, you're in. 1341 01:10:22,128 --> 01:10:23,896 Okay, you're good. 1342 01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:25,298 *** 1343 01:10:25,365 --> 01:10:26,333 Do you want a water next to your coffee cup? 1344 01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:28,267 That'd be awesome. 1345 01:10:29,201 --> 01:10:30,537 Thank you. 1346 01:10:32,639 --> 01:10:33,940 Who knew 1347 01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:35,508 that, at 64 years old, 1348 01:10:35,575 --> 01:10:38,345 I would have three generations 1349 01:10:38,411 --> 01:10:40,980 of followers? 1350 01:10:41,348 --> 01:10:44,317 TruBlu is your home for previous episodes of 1351 01:10:44,351 --> 01:10:45,918 Takedown with Chris Hansen, 1352 01:10:45,952 --> 01:10:47,487 documentary films, 1353 01:10:47,554 --> 01:10:49,922 and exclusive investigations. 1354 01:10:49,956 --> 01:10:53,460 400,000 subscribers on the YouTube channel! 1355 01:10:54,527 --> 01:10:58,197 My audience is 75 to 15! 1356 01:10:58,264 --> 01:10:59,098 Very good! 1357 01:10:59,131 --> 01:11:01,368 Really, that was all fantastic. 1358 01:11:01,434 --> 01:11:03,002 Thank you. 1359 01:11:03,202 --> 01:11:04,437 I need a cup of coffee. 1360 01:11:04,471 --> 01:11:05,938 You guys want something from Starbucks? 1361 01:11:05,972 --> 01:11:08,408 There you go. You're very welcome. 1362 01:11:10,443 --> 01:11:12,178 Chris is a news guy at heart. 1363 01:11:12,244 --> 01:11:14,280 You know, he really wants to do news. 1364 01:11:14,313 --> 01:11:16,182 And, uh... 1365 01:11:16,282 --> 01:11:19,352 you know, when we can afford to to it, we'll do it. 1366 01:11:20,086 --> 01:11:24,023 Tell me this isn't the classic newsroom. 1367 01:11:25,425 --> 01:11:28,160 It'll look like Vice in here... 1368 01:11:28,194 --> 01:11:30,463 six months from now. 1369 01:11:33,533 --> 01:11:38,204 When BLM got popular, when people got very upset with the 1370 01:11:38,237 --> 01:11:42,509 police, Hollywood canceled all their crime shows, 1371 01:11:42,542 --> 01:11:45,978 and they canceled Cops, and they canceled Live PD, 1372 01:11:46,012 --> 01:11:48,180 they canceled Crime Watch Daily, 1373 01:11:48,214 --> 01:11:49,549 they canceled Paw Patrol 1374 01:11:49,582 --> 01:11:52,552 to show that they don't support the police. 1375 01:11:52,585 --> 01:11:56,022 It's an evergreen genre; people always wanna watch it. 1376 01:11:56,055 --> 01:11:58,558 People like to be glad it's not them. 1377 01:11:58,591 --> 01:12:02,028 People like to compare themselves to the depraved to 1378 01:12:02,061 --> 01:12:05,231 feel better about who they are. 1379 01:12:05,264 --> 01:12:07,434 I don't know what everyone's motivation is for watching this 1380 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:10,236 stuff, but there's an audience for it. 1381 01:12:10,302 --> 01:12:14,674 So, I cherry-picked the most revolutionary crime show, 1382 01:12:14,707 --> 01:12:16,576 and I went to my friend Chris Hansen, 1383 01:12:16,609 --> 01:12:19,546 and we reinvented it. 1384 01:12:20,346 --> 01:12:22,515 We've become very good at luring these men, 1385 01:12:22,549 --> 01:12:27,554 and we wanna make sure all the prosecutions stick. 1386 01:12:29,456 --> 01:12:31,558 We're not gonna stop. 1387 01:12:31,591 --> 01:12:36,663 *** 1388 01:12:41,267 --> 01:12:43,035 I think the investigation we did in 1389 01:12:43,069 --> 01:12:47,574 Cambodia was instrumental in my drive 1390 01:12:47,607 --> 01:12:50,409 when it came to the predator investigations, 1391 01:12:50,443 --> 01:12:51,678 without question. 1392 01:12:51,711 --> 01:12:55,247 Tonight, we take you undercover, inside the world 1393 01:12:55,281 --> 01:12:58,618 of child sex trafficking, a world in which, each year, 1394 01:12:58,651 --> 01:13:02,455 by some estimates, hundreds of thousands of girls and boys are 1395 01:13:02,522 --> 01:13:06,292 bought, sold, or kidnapped, and then forced to have sex 1396 01:13:06,325 --> 01:13:07,460 with grown men. 1397 01:13:07,527 --> 01:13:10,262 This is the first investigation that shocked the 1398 01:13:10,296 --> 01:13:12,331 conscience of our viewers. 1399 01:13:12,398 --> 01:13:14,300 This girl says she's nine. 1400 01:13:14,333 --> 01:13:16,636 She's joined by another who says she's 10. 1401 01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:19,672 Both say they know how to perform oral sex, 1402 01:13:19,739 --> 01:13:23,342 and they even tell us how much it will cost. 1403 01:13:24,544 --> 01:13:26,078 And one of the Americans who was caught in the 1404 01:13:26,112 --> 01:13:31,150 investigation was a anesthesiologist in Guam. 1405 01:13:31,317 --> 01:13:34,120 We caught him on hidden camera talking about how to have sex 1406 01:13:34,153 --> 01:13:37,289 with a child, and we wanted to confront him. 1407 01:13:37,323 --> 01:13:39,659 We get on a plane, fly to Guam, 1408 01:13:39,726 --> 01:13:42,328 go to the doctor's office, go to the parking structure... 1409 01:13:42,361 --> 01:13:45,532 here comes Jerry Albom. 1410 01:13:46,833 --> 01:13:49,669 My heart's in my throat, and I'm gonna... 1411 01:13:49,736 --> 01:13:50,803 approach him. 1412 01:13:50,837 --> 01:13:51,738 Hey, Dr. Albom? 1413 01:13:51,771 --> 01:13:54,306 Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. How are you? 1414 01:13:54,340 --> 01:13:55,474 - Good, nice to meet you. - Good. 1415 01:13:55,508 --> 01:13:58,678 We're doing an investigation into the trade of underage 1416 01:13:58,711 --> 01:14:02,114 prostitutes in Cambodia. 1417 01:14:02,148 --> 01:14:06,118 And we know that you've frequented some of the places 1418 01:14:06,152 --> 01:14:07,520 in and around Phnom Penh, 1419 01:14:07,587 --> 01:14:08,688 with underage girls. 1420 01:14:08,721 --> 01:14:10,456 No. 1421 01:14:11,524 --> 01:14:13,760 Not to my knowledge. 1422 01:14:14,794 --> 01:14:16,162 May I show you a videotape? 1423 01:14:16,195 --> 01:14:17,429 Yes. 1424 01:14:17,463 --> 01:14:19,699 So this was basically your first sting? 1425 01:14:19,766 --> 01:14:21,734 This was showing them the chat logs? 1426 01:14:21,801 --> 01:14:23,169 Right! You've got one shot. 1427 01:14:23,202 --> 01:14:24,704 You've gotta get it. 1428 01:14:24,737 --> 01:14:27,406 And he came up with a bunch of cockamamie excuses. 1429 01:14:27,473 --> 01:14:28,641 I was drunk or... 1430 01:14:28,675 --> 01:14:30,810 or may have been slipped a pill, who knows?! 1431 01:14:30,843 --> 01:14:31,544 That is not-- 1432 01:14:31,578 --> 01:14:32,579 Drunk or slipped a pill?! 1433 01:14:32,645 --> 01:14:34,180 Right! 1434 01:14:34,213 --> 01:14:36,348 - That's your defense? - Yes! 1435 01:14:36,382 --> 01:14:39,151 And it was an amazing piece of television. 1436 01:14:39,185 --> 01:14:41,153 That story airs, we're at the airport, 1437 01:14:41,187 --> 01:14:44,724 and some of the girls who had been rescued show up in their 1438 01:14:44,791 --> 01:14:46,358 tuktuk taxi, and... 1439 01:14:46,392 --> 01:14:47,727 we all get banana splits. 1440 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,196 And they were in a much better place, 1441 01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:53,165 they looked great, they're dressed properly, 1442 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,802 they're taking classes. 1443 01:14:56,368 --> 01:14:58,705 It gets time for me to board the plane, 1444 01:14:58,738 --> 01:15:03,209 and I look back at these girls, and they're weeping. 1445 01:15:03,876 --> 01:15:07,446 It was one of those incredible moments that reminds you 1446 01:15:07,513 --> 01:15:09,716 that somebody's life is better 1447 01:15:09,749 --> 01:15:12,719 because of the story we did. 1448 01:15:16,255 --> 01:15:19,792 I truly believe that's the kind of reporting I'm supposed to be 1449 01:15:19,859 --> 01:15:21,628 doing. 1450 01:15:23,229 --> 01:15:26,232 We've just taken it to the next level. 1451 01:15:26,265 --> 01:15:27,734 It sounds like he's coming! 1452 01:15:27,767 --> 01:15:28,901 It sounds like it. 1453 01:15:28,935 --> 01:15:31,604 He wants to wait for the sun to go down 'cause he's, 1454 01:15:31,638 --> 01:15:33,472 - uh, nervous. - He doesn't... 1455 01:15:33,539 --> 01:15:34,774 He wants to make sure there's no cameras. 1456 01:15:34,807 --> 01:15:36,408 Correct. 1457 01:15:36,442 --> 01:15:39,278 How do you feel about the amateur predator 1458 01:15:39,311 --> 01:15:43,415 hunters that have been directly inspired by you? 1459 01:15:43,449 --> 01:15:45,417 I work in conjunction with 1460 01:15:45,451 --> 01:15:47,319 law enforcement. 1461 01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:51,223 Vigilante predator catchers are doing this for clicks 1462 01:15:51,257 --> 01:15:53,559 and profit. 1463 01:15:53,726 --> 01:15:57,263 What I do is for a greater purpose. 1464 01:15:57,764 --> 01:16:01,600 Police, don't move Police, don't move! 1465 01:16:01,634 --> 01:16:06,706 *pensive ethereal music 1466 01:16:20,653 --> 01:16:23,890 Three, two, one... 1467 01:16:25,892 --> 01:16:29,829 In my 20 years of investigating predators seeking children for 1468 01:16:29,862 --> 01:16:33,666 sex, I have come across a number of cases where the 1469 01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:35,534 predator is 18. 1470 01:16:35,601 --> 01:16:37,603 Now, this could be controversial; 1471 01:16:37,636 --> 01:16:40,807 a lot of people see it as a Romeo and Juliet situation. 1472 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,608 But it's illegal. 1473 01:16:42,641 --> 01:16:46,312 In this case, Hunter was a little less than honest. 1474 01:16:46,345 --> 01:16:50,750 But he knew what he was doing was against the law. 1475 01:16:59,759 --> 01:17:01,660 One for safety? 1476 01:17:02,061 --> 01:17:03,295 You got the project name for me? 1477 01:17:03,329 --> 01:17:05,531 Takedown: Hunter. 1478 01:17:05,564 --> 01:17:06,665 Takedown: Hunter. 1479 01:17:06,699 --> 01:17:09,535 When we look at the final cut of Hunter, 1480 01:17:09,568 --> 01:17:11,303 we both need to be sensitive to the fact that, 1481 01:17:11,337 --> 01:17:13,840 you know, this is his age and all that. 1482 01:17:13,873 --> 01:17:15,842 Yeah... 1483 01:17:16,642 --> 01:17:18,644 But you were gentle, right? You were gentle-- 1484 01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:19,511 Yeah, you'll see it. 1485 01:17:19,545 --> 01:17:20,913 I mean, you'll have last... 1486 01:17:20,980 --> 01:17:23,750 last pass at it, and as will I. 1487 01:17:23,816 --> 01:17:26,318 Was 18-- who was he there to meet? 1488 01:17:26,352 --> 01:17:27,887 A 15-year-old boy. 1489 01:17:27,954 --> 01:17:29,321 15 to 18. 1490 01:17:29,355 --> 01:17:31,758 Like, in Ohio, that's legal. 1491 01:17:31,824 --> 01:17:33,359 In Michigan, apparently, it's not, 1492 01:17:33,392 --> 01:17:35,728 but they allow a three-year spread for a senior to date a 1493 01:17:35,795 --> 01:17:36,996 - freshman. - Right. 1494 01:17:37,029 --> 01:17:39,531 Um, so, it's like... 1495 01:17:39,565 --> 01:17:41,768 that must be a Michigan thing. 1496 01:17:41,834 --> 01:17:42,835 But... 1497 01:17:42,869 --> 01:17:44,804 it is what it is. I mean, uh... 1498 01:17:44,837 --> 01:17:46,873 I think people will be forgiving. 1499 01:17:46,906 --> 01:17:48,340 You know, I hope... 1500 01:17:48,374 --> 01:17:51,610 you know, hope we're not ruining his life. 1501 01:17:54,713 --> 01:17:55,948 A task force team member searches 1502 01:17:56,015 --> 01:17:59,786 - Hunter for his wallet. - Turn your volume up. 1503 01:17:59,852 --> 01:18:03,055 We realize Hunter had been 18 for 1504 01:18:03,089 --> 01:18:04,390 some time. 1505 01:18:04,423 --> 01:18:07,994 It's time for Hunter to take a seat. 1506 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,732 The tears start flowing, and the begging begins. 1507 01:18:14,133 --> 01:18:15,401 Please just don't ruin my life. 1508 01:18:15,434 --> 01:18:17,669 Please. 1509 01:18:17,703 --> 01:18:19,005 Please. 1510 01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:28,781 They asked if I was Hunter's mom, 1511 01:18:28,848 --> 01:18:31,417 and I said that I was, and they told me that he had been 1512 01:18:31,450 --> 01:18:33,019 arrested. 1513 01:18:33,953 --> 01:18:36,055 He only went three blocks away! 1514 01:18:36,856 --> 01:18:38,825 And he walked! 1515 01:18:40,426 --> 01:18:43,863 It was the summer before his senior year in high school. 1516 01:18:43,896 --> 01:18:46,966 Top of his game in choir and in drama, 1517 01:18:46,999 --> 01:18:48,400 and... 1518 01:18:48,434 --> 01:18:51,470 about to have the year of his life. 1519 01:18:52,638 --> 01:18:57,676 I started getting phone calls of people... 1520 01:18:58,845 --> 01:19:02,982 informing me that my son was going to be on the next episode 1521 01:19:03,015 --> 01:19:05,784 that was airing. 1522 01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:10,656 In my head, I didn't believe that they were actually going 1523 01:19:10,689 --> 01:19:13,860 to air this 18-year-old's... 1524 01:19:13,926 --> 01:19:15,461 mistake, 1525 01:19:15,494 --> 01:19:19,065 that Chris Hansen would be willing to stoop so low 1526 01:19:19,131 --> 01:19:20,900 for his show. 1527 01:19:21,067 --> 01:19:24,703 I just don't know how the worst day of my life could be 1528 01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:27,739 something that... 1529 01:19:30,542 --> 01:19:34,013 people are getting snacks for. 1530 01:19:35,714 --> 01:19:38,050 Hunter couldn't go back to his high school. 1531 01:19:38,117 --> 01:19:40,086 He was being charged with felonies, 1532 01:19:40,152 --> 01:19:42,889 and at the arraignment, the judge explained to us 1533 01:19:42,955 --> 01:19:44,056 kind of his... 1534 01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:46,725 stipulations for Hunter, 1535 01:19:46,758 --> 01:19:49,996 and they included no contact with any person under the 1536 01:19:50,029 --> 01:19:55,067 age of 17 without the presence of a supervising adult. 1537 01:19:55,902 --> 01:19:58,905 Hunter could not be in the same house alone with his 1538 01:19:58,938 --> 01:20:00,907 16-year-old brother. 1539 01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:02,508 No school. 1540 01:20:02,541 --> 01:20:03,910 No job. 1541 01:20:03,976 --> 01:20:06,145 He lived in his room. 1542 01:20:07,179 --> 01:20:10,049 And we tried to make it... 1543 01:20:11,017 --> 01:20:12,851 great. 1544 01:20:13,585 --> 01:20:18,124 And partly so that Hunter had kind of like a haven, 1545 01:20:18,190 --> 01:20:22,028 we got heavy drapes and we took down any... 1546 01:20:22,061 --> 01:20:24,563 identifiers outside the, um... 1547 01:20:28,134 --> 01:20:31,770 We took down any identifiers outside of the house, 1548 01:20:31,837 --> 01:20:34,740 so that, um... 1549 01:20:49,888 --> 01:20:51,823 Sorry. 1550 01:21:17,883 --> 01:21:21,053 I don't think he's cried since then. 1551 01:21:32,098 --> 01:21:35,601 I don't think that, like, until... 1552 01:21:35,634 --> 01:21:38,804 right now, he's really necessarily acknowledged what 1553 01:21:38,837 --> 01:21:40,139 he's lost. 1554 01:21:40,172 --> 01:21:42,241 Um... 1555 01:21:43,642 --> 01:21:48,680 And, like, everything that was taken from him. 1556 01:22:05,197 --> 01:22:08,200 I wish Chris... 1557 01:22:08,267 --> 01:22:12,704 could feel one percent of our pain. 1558 01:22:15,941 --> 01:22:18,910 Even though it fixes nothing. 1559 01:22:26,685 --> 01:22:28,954 By the way, all the food's down there! 1560 01:22:28,987 --> 01:22:31,090 All kinds of food, okay? 1561 01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:33,959 This is our third network, and hopefully, 1562 01:22:33,992 --> 01:22:36,195 it earns a bunch of advertiser revenue. 1563 01:22:36,228 --> 01:22:38,897 We put some fresh episodes up, boom. 1564 01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:42,201 13.4 million views, two million hours watched. 1565 01:22:42,234 --> 01:22:44,203 We're gonna get the plaque 'cause we have over 100,000 1566 01:22:44,236 --> 01:22:46,905 subscribers, so that's good. 1567 01:22:46,972 --> 01:22:50,342 This is the culmination of 40 years of being a 1568 01:22:50,376 --> 01:22:52,244 television journalist right here. 1569 01:22:52,278 --> 01:22:54,346 Everything I've done -- 1570 01:22:54,380 --> 01:22:57,916 all the Emmys, all the Edward R. Murrow awards, 1571 01:22:57,983 --> 01:23:02,088 - all the years at NBC - - all led to this. 1572 01:23:02,154 --> 01:23:04,090 - . - Let's go! 1573 01:23:11,029 --> 01:23:13,232 Suspect is armed and extremely dangerous. 1574 01:23:13,265 --> 01:23:14,700 I'm Chris Hansen. 1575 01:23:14,733 --> 01:23:16,368 I am Chris Hansen. 1576 01:23:16,402 --> 01:23:21,173 *cool rock music playing 1577 01:23:30,048 --> 01:23:34,286 *pensive synth music* 1578 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,222 I've been watching your show since I was like 10. 1579 01:23:36,255 --> 01:23:38,290 Oh, wow! Thank you! 1580 01:23:38,357 --> 01:23:39,258 Well, thank you! 1581 01:23:39,291 --> 01:23:41,960 - Where are you from? - Atlanta. 1582 01:23:41,993 --> 01:23:43,329 - Thank you very much. - It's so nice to meet you. 1583 01:23:43,395 --> 01:23:44,996 Nice to see you too. Thanks for being here. 1584 01:23:46,298 --> 01:23:49,735 Hey, Chris! Long time, no see! 1585 01:23:49,768 --> 01:23:52,003 18 years later! 1586 01:23:54,005 --> 01:23:55,341 You are my true crime star. 1587 01:23:55,407 --> 01:23:56,608 Oh, well, thank you. 1588 01:23:56,642 --> 01:23:58,277 We're gonna dedicate this to all the victims that we 1589 01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:59,278 pour our life into. 1590 01:23:59,311 --> 01:24:01,347 Appreciate you. Take care. 1591 01:24:01,413 --> 01:24:03,749 Chris Hansen and the Sheriff of Genesee 1592 01:24:03,782 --> 01:24:06,152 County, Michigan, Chris Swanson! 1593 01:24:10,021 --> 01:24:12,023 John... 1594 01:24:12,090 --> 01:24:13,459 John... 1595 01:24:13,492 --> 01:24:16,762 John... 1596 01:24:16,795 --> 01:24:19,198 There's cameras everywhere, John. 1597 01:24:19,265 --> 01:24:20,999 John... 1598 01:24:21,032 --> 01:24:24,002 No, you're not in charge here, John. 1599 01:24:24,035 --> 01:24:25,137 The cameras aren't gonna get turned off, 1600 01:24:25,171 --> 01:24:27,005 so that's not on the table. 1601 01:24:27,038 --> 01:24:29,808 'Cause we're here covering the commission of an 1602 01:24:29,841 --> 01:24:31,143 - alleged felony. - You are? 1603 01:24:31,177 --> 01:24:32,043 Yeah. 1604 01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:34,313 John, I have seen the transcripts! 1605 01:24:38,116 --> 01:24:40,219 Telling and showing the identity of these 1606 01:24:40,286 --> 01:24:44,190 individuals that they're exposed is so vital! 1607 01:24:44,256 --> 01:24:48,327 I would trade two years of him in prison to have this any day 1608 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:49,461 of the week. 1609 01:24:49,495 --> 01:24:53,031 But there is one group of law enforcement that we need 1610 01:24:53,064 --> 01:24:55,367 that's more important than you and I, 1611 01:24:55,401 --> 01:24:57,836 and that is all of you. 1612 01:24:57,869 --> 01:25:00,339 The times that you share a TruBlu episode, 1613 01:25:00,372 --> 01:25:04,376 the stories that you tell to your friends and families, 1614 01:25:04,410 --> 01:25:07,846 you are the best law enforcement tool in America. 1615 01:25:14,386 --> 01:25:19,458 *pensive ethereal music 1616 01:25:25,564 --> 01:25:29,034 Maybe the appeal of a show like this is that it's a 1617 01:25:29,067 --> 01:25:32,103 world of good versus evil, 1618 01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:35,274 and you know what side you're on. 1619 01:25:37,409 --> 01:25:40,379 It's an empowering way to live, 1620 01:25:40,412 --> 01:25:43,482 especially if you're a victim. 1621 01:25:47,553 --> 01:25:50,289 It helps you turn the tables. 1622 01:25:50,356 --> 01:25:55,394 *** 1623 01:25:57,396 --> 01:26:00,131 And thereby, hopefully... 1624 01:26:00,566 --> 01:26:03,302 you can heal... 1625 01:26:05,203 --> 01:26:07,306 a wound. 1626 01:26:14,313 --> 01:26:18,116 Do you feel any closer to understanding how... 1627 01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:21,253 this happens to children? 1628 01:26:21,387 --> 01:26:23,455 Uh, not... 1629 01:26:23,522 --> 01:26:27,893 I've never heard an explanation from a predator I've caught... 1630 01:26:27,926 --> 01:26:30,128 that justified the action. 1631 01:26:30,195 --> 01:26:33,131 Not justifies it; I don't think it's justifiable. 1632 01:26:33,198 --> 01:26:35,100 I mean to explain it. 1633 01:26:35,133 --> 01:26:37,469 Something that helps make sense of it. 1634 01:26:37,503 --> 01:26:40,439 It never makes sense to me; I can't get my arms around it. 1635 01:26:40,472 --> 01:26:42,441 And I think that's why we have such a difficult time in 1636 01:26:42,474 --> 01:26:44,576 society... 1637 01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:45,911 dealing with this issue. 1638 01:26:45,944 --> 01:26:49,948 - We want simple solutions - - lock 'em up forever, 1639 01:26:49,981 --> 01:26:53,118 give 'em the pill that stops them from doing this, 1640 01:26:53,151 --> 01:26:55,621 or, uh, get 'em in the appropriate therapy. 1641 01:26:55,654 --> 01:26:57,155 But there are different guys. 1642 01:26:57,222 --> 01:27:00,292 You have some hardcore predators who would be doing 1643 01:27:00,326 --> 01:27:01,960 this with or without the internet. 1644 01:27:01,993 --> 01:27:06,332 And then, you've got the young opportunists -- early 20s, 1645 01:27:06,365 --> 01:27:10,168 have a hard time socializing with other men or women. 1646 01:27:10,201 --> 01:27:13,171 And I think the third group of men are guys who wouldn't be 1647 01:27:13,204 --> 01:27:16,207 offending without the internet -- the 24/7 access, 1648 01:27:16,274 --> 01:27:20,312 the anonymity, and the addictive nature of this. 1649 01:27:21,212 --> 01:27:22,948 To play Devil's Advocate, though, 1650 01:27:22,981 --> 01:27:26,184 you described three very different kinds of predators. 1651 01:27:26,217 --> 01:27:26,952 Absolutely. 1652 01:27:26,985 --> 01:27:29,355 All of whom, on your show, 1653 01:27:29,421 --> 01:27:31,490 will face the same kind of punishment. 1654 01:27:31,523 --> 01:27:32,358 As they should! 1655 01:27:32,424 --> 01:27:34,960 I mean, the law is the law in these cases. 1656 01:27:34,993 --> 01:27:37,996 Right, but legal punishment isn't the only kind 1657 01:27:38,029 --> 01:27:39,998 of punishment here. 1658 01:27:40,031 --> 01:27:43,535 You and Shawn were having a disagreement about one of the 1659 01:27:43,569 --> 01:27:46,171 recent episodes of the show that you did 1660 01:27:46,204 --> 01:27:49,274 with Hunter, the 18 year old. 1661 01:27:49,307 --> 01:27:52,210 It really wasn't so much a disagreement, 1662 01:27:52,243 --> 01:27:56,014 when it came to the 18-year-old caught in this investigation. 1663 01:27:56,047 --> 01:28:00,185 Ultimately, we agreed and decided to... 1664 01:28:00,218 --> 01:28:02,521 take the episode down because he had entered 1665 01:28:02,554 --> 01:28:04,222 into a... 1666 01:28:04,255 --> 01:28:05,557 you know, sort of a... 1667 01:28:05,624 --> 01:28:08,026 an agreement with the court that if he didn't reoffend, 1668 01:28:08,059 --> 01:28:10,562 his record would be wiped clean. 1669 01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:12,998 And so, the decision was made to give him a second chance in 1670 01:28:13,031 --> 01:28:16,635 terms of his exposure, and I'm comfortable in that decision. 1671 01:28:16,968 --> 01:28:20,606 I think the issue that if you Google this kid's name, 1672 01:28:20,672 --> 01:28:23,041 it's the first five pages of the internet 1673 01:28:23,074 --> 01:28:24,610 because of the show. 1674 01:28:24,676 --> 01:28:26,712 So there's no wiping of that record. 1675 01:28:26,745 --> 01:28:30,549 That's, in a sense, permanent. 1676 01:28:30,682 --> 01:28:32,651 Permanent for now. 1677 01:28:33,485 --> 01:28:35,554 It goes away. 1678 01:28:40,258 --> 01:28:43,629 Some people watching this may feel like you have 1679 01:28:43,695 --> 01:28:46,465 something to answer for -- 1680 01:28:46,532 --> 01:28:50,235 that this genre of TV you've helped make doesn't deter 1681 01:28:50,268 --> 01:28:53,439 criminals, or get to the bottom of their crimes, 1682 01:28:53,472 --> 01:28:55,741 it just helps us enjoy it. 1683 01:28:55,774 --> 01:28:58,577 And I make documentaries too, so I'm not just coming after 1684 01:28:58,610 --> 01:29:00,278 you here. 1685 01:29:00,311 --> 01:29:03,449 But we make TV, and we point cameras at something, 1686 01:29:03,482 --> 01:29:06,084 and the trauma continues. 1687 01:29:06,117 --> 01:29:08,286 What do you say to that? 1688 01:29:08,353 --> 01:29:10,088 I understand your point. 1689 01:29:10,121 --> 01:29:13,559 And it's a valid point. 1690 01:29:13,592 --> 01:29:15,594 But... 1691 01:29:17,328 --> 01:29:22,300 you don't know how many times someone has come up to me -- 1692 01:29:22,333 --> 01:29:24,102 at a store, 1693 01:29:24,135 --> 01:29:25,637 at a restaurant, 1694 01:29:25,704 --> 01:29:27,506 on the street -- 1695 01:29:27,573 --> 01:29:30,642 and said to me, "Thank you for what you do. 1696 01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:34,480 I was victimized by an adult when I was a child -- 1697 01:29:34,513 --> 01:29:38,617 traumatized in a way that has... 1698 01:29:38,650 --> 01:29:41,419 forced me to be in therapy to this very day. 1699 01:29:41,453 --> 01:29:45,090 And every time you confront a predator, 1700 01:29:45,123 --> 01:29:47,292 it makes me feel better." 1701 01:29:47,325 --> 01:29:49,661 I understand people saying, 1702 01:29:49,728 --> 01:29:52,363 "You push it too far. 1703 01:29:53,331 --> 01:29:55,166 You... 1704 01:29:55,701 --> 01:29:58,670 take a man at his worst, 1705 01:29:58,737 --> 01:30:00,639 and you put him on television. 1706 01:30:00,672 --> 01:30:02,708 You shame him." 1707 01:30:02,774 --> 01:30:05,343 I'm okay with that; I'll take that criticism. 1708 01:30:05,376 --> 01:30:08,647 But for every human being who comes up to me to tell me their 1709 01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,517 story about being a survivor, 1710 01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:16,588 this particular investigative franchise is for them. 1711 01:30:17,422 --> 01:30:19,157 And I'm okay with that. 1712 01:30:19,190 --> 01:30:20,659 And if that's my legacy, 1713 01:30:20,692 --> 01:30:23,194 very comfortable. 1714 01:30:23,394 --> 01:30:25,430 I'm a survivor. 1715 01:30:25,463 --> 01:30:27,533 I was seven years old. 1716 01:30:27,566 --> 01:30:28,667 And... 1717 01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:30,368 I didn't realize it as a young adult, 1718 01:30:30,435 --> 01:30:34,139 but one of the reasons that I watched your show was for that 1719 01:30:34,172 --> 01:30:35,707 moment, 1720 01:30:35,774 --> 01:30:38,644 when you sit down with these men and you ask them 1721 01:30:38,677 --> 01:30:40,546 why they're here. 1722 01:30:40,579 --> 01:30:44,349 What could bring them to do this? 1723 01:30:44,382 --> 01:30:47,385 And it took me a long time to realize that that's what I 1724 01:30:47,452 --> 01:30:49,588 wanted from your show. 1725 01:30:49,655 --> 01:30:52,824 In many ways, you are who... 1726 01:30:52,858 --> 01:30:55,661 we do this for. 1727 01:30:55,994 --> 01:30:59,731 I had no idea, getting into this, 1728 01:30:59,765 --> 01:31:03,201 what it would become, the impact it would have. 1729 01:31:03,234 --> 01:31:07,405 And it sends a message that we will stand up for the survivor. 1730 01:31:07,472 --> 01:31:11,442 And that is a big part of what we do in this particular series 1731 01:31:11,509 --> 01:31:13,812 of investigations. 1732 01:31:22,588 --> 01:31:25,724 Chris, you're obviously free to go. 1733 01:31:25,857 --> 01:31:27,425 You're free to-- 1734 01:31:27,458 --> 01:31:30,261 "What happens next?" "That's not up to me." 1735 01:31:31,763 --> 01:31:33,531 - Guys, thank you! - Thank you. 1736 01:31:33,565 --> 01:31:34,432 Appreciate it. 1737 01:31:34,465 --> 01:31:35,433 Great work, guys. Thank you. 1738 01:31:35,466 --> 01:31:37,669 Nice to see ya. 1739 01:31:37,703 --> 01:31:39,638 Pretend kitchen. 1740 01:32:25,784 --> 01:32:30,789 *pensive ethereal music 1741 01:32:41,599 --> 01:32:46,638 *** 1742 01:33:46,865 --> 01:33:49,567 That's a cut for A and B. 1743 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,669 David, you good? 1744 01:33:55,874 --> 01:33:58,609 You get everything you want? 1745 01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:17,428 *serene synth music 124708

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